Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List]

Turbo lift?

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 De : Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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Envoyé le : jeudi 16 octobre 2014 19h58
Objet : Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?
  


Listers,

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of projects 
-- One of which is some mast work. 

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so, 
what did you use. 

There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so it’s on 
my mind.

And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The ATN top climmer has worked pretty well for me but I would not buy one.
The TC is simply two Gibbs ascenders attached custom bosun's chair and 60'
or 70' of 1/2" rope.

They arrangement of the ascenders is such that the chair is attached to the
top on and a foot strap is attached to the bottom one.  Standing up on the
foot straps allows you to raise the upper ascender which brings the chair
tight to your butt.  Sit down in the chair and now you can bend your knees
to raise the lower ascender.  You inchworm your way up the rope.  The rope
that was tied to the mast collar on deck and winched taught to the top of
the mast.  One could safely use a halyard pull the rope tight.  Tight is
key.  No stretch rope is also key.

I would look to MAKE a similar system but using rock climbing ascenders
(gibbs or otherwise).  I would also use a rock climbing harness as a
primary and maybe take a comfortable bosun's chair of choice to the top IF
I was going to be there for more than 10 min.  The ascenders cost $30-50.
Rope $50-70.  Harness $50-100.  Gear can be found at EMS.com or instore.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
> projects -- One of which is some mast work.
>
> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if
> so, what did you use.
>
> There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so
> it's on my mind.
>
> And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

I bought ATN top climber few years back at the Annapolis boat show. I used
it once to try it. It worked well in the marina on a calm day. A change for
a plain bosun's.  A bit tiring after half mast climb. Would not be helpful
for solo out in my travels. I installed mast steps and save me a lot of
aggravation when I really needed to climb up the mast fast. 

 

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Not for long

 

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Sent: October 16, 2014 8:18 PM
To: C&C List; Edd Schillay; C&C List; Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

 

The ATN top climmer has worked pretty well for me but I would not buy one.
The TC is simply two Gibbs ascenders attached custom bosun's chair and 60'
or 70' of 1/2" rope.

They arrangement of the ascenders is such that the chair is attached to the
top on and a foot strap is attached to the bottom one.  Standing up on the
foot straps allows you to raise the upper ascender which brings the chair
tight to your butt.  Sit down in the chair and now you can bend your knees
to raise the lower ascender.  You inchworm your way up the rope.  The rope
that was tied to the mast collar on deck and winched taught to the top of
the mast.  One could safely use a halyard pull the rope tight.  Tight is
key.  No stretch rope is also key.

I would look to MAKE a similar system but using rock climbing ascenders
(gibbs or otherwise).  I would also use a rock climbing harness as a primary
and maybe take a comfortable bosun's chair of choice to the top IF I was
going to be there for more than 10 min.  The ascenders cost $30-50.  Rope
$50-70.  Harness $50-100.  Gear can be found at EMS.com or instore.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Listers,

 

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
projects -- One of which is some mast work. 

 

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so,
what did you use. 

 

There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so it's
on my mind.

 

And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 


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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The foot
ascenders look promissing.

A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends
attached to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of
obstructions).  This is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting
upside down and you slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one
reason I prefer a harness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA

http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101

Josh
 On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
> projects -- One of which is some mast work.
>
> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if
> so, what did you use.
>
> There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so
> it's on my mind.
>
> And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Mack Sails has one I am thinking of getting.  It is shown in the installation 
video for their Mackpack (which I am getting). They don’t advertise them, but I 
was told they do make them up and sell them for people.   You can see it in use 
about 4.5 minutes in to the video.  I am sure it would take me a lot longer to 
go up, but it looks easy to use.  Still don’t know the cost (are you listening, 
Travis?) Dave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w

On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The foot 
> ascenders look promissing.
> 
> A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends attached 
> to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of obstructions).  
> This is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting upside down and you 
> slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one reason I prefer a harness.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender
> 
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)
> 
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA
> 
> http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101
> 
> Josh
> On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Listers,
> 
>   Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of 
> projects -- One of which is some mast work. 
> 
>   Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if 
> so, what did you use. 
> 
>   There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so 
> it’s on my mind.
> 
>   And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

It’s worth wandering around the marina and testing a couple of systems before 
buying one.

Everyone seems to have a different preference, depending on your fear of 
heights, taste for adventure, physical condition, etc.

I inherited a Mast Mate and didn’t like the spongy feel of the ladder. I tried 
an ATN Mast Climber and didn’t like it much, either, probably because I wasn’t 
using a really taut, low-stretch line. Currently, I have a four-part system 
(two double blocks) with 200 feet of line that allows me to lift myself up if 
needed.

Of course, the best system is the one I use most often – a wife who thinks it’s 
kind of fun to get lifted up the mast.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.



From: David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 PM
To: Josh Muckley ; CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: Travis
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

Mack Sails has one I am thinking of getting.  It is shown in the installation 
video for their Mackpack (which I am getting). They don’t advertise them, but I 
was told they do make them up and sell them for people.   You can see it in use 
about 4.5 minutes in to the video.  I am sure it would take me a lot longer to 
go up, but it looks easy to use.  Still don’t know the cost (are you listening, 
Travis?) Dave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w

On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:


  Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The foot 
ascenders look promissing.

  A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends attached 
to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of obstructions).  This 
is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting upside down and you slipping 
out of the harness or chair.  This is one reason I prefer a harness.

  https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender

  http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA

  http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101


  Josh


  On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Listers,

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of 
projects -- One of which is some mast work.

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so, 
what did you use.

There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so 
it’s on my mind.

And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yeah Jack, ATN didn't do themselves any favors when then used the stretchy
rope.  Too difficult to pull the rope tight enough.  If you get a chance to
find some ascenders it would be easy to reuse everything you already have
to make a "top climber"

A 4:1 block and tackle means that you have to use your arms to pull down
40-50lbs, 75 to 100 times.  Not particularly hard but slow and tiring.
Using any ascender system relies on using you legs to simply squat your
body weight 30 to 40 times.  Easier than climbing 4 flights of stairs.  I
estimated 1-2 feet per pull or squat and a 50' mast.

Josh
On Oct 16, 2014 9:18 PM, "Jack Brennan via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>   It's worth wandering around the marina and testing a couple of systems
> before buying one.
>
> Everyone seems to have a different preference, depending on your fear of
> heights, taste for adventure, physical condition, etc.
>
> I inherited a Mast Mate and didn't like the spongy feel of the ladder. I
> tried an ATN Mast Climber and didn't like it much, either, probably because
> I wasn't using a really taut, low-stretch line. Currently, I have a
> four-part system (two double blocks) with 200 feet of line that allows me
> to lift myself up if needed.
>
> Of course, the best system is the one I use most often - a wife who thinks
> it's kind of fun to get lifted up the mast.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
>
>  *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 PM
> *To:* Josh Muckley  ; CnC CnC discussion list
> 
> *Cc:* Travis 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?
>
> Mack Sails has one I am thinking of getting.  It is shown in the
> installation video for their Mackpack (which I am getting). They don't
> advertise them, but I was told they do make them up and sell them for
> people.   You can see it in use about 4.5 minutes in to the video.  I am
> sure it would take me a lot longer to go up, but it looks easy to use.
> Still don't know the cost (are you listening, Travis?) Dave
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w>
>
>  On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The
> foot ascenders look promissing.
>
> A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends
> attached to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of
> obstructions).  This is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting
> upside down and you slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one
> reason I prefer a harness.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender
>
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA
>
> http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101
>
> Josh
> On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
>> projects -- One of which is some mast work.
>>
>> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if
>> so, what did you use.
>>
>> There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so
>> it's on my mind.
>>
>> And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fwiw ATN was not at the Annapolis boat show this year. Always had a booth
in the past.
I've seen the climber used. The rope must be tight for it to work well. I
let others do the climbing.

Joel

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yeah Jack, ATN didn't do themselves any favors when then used the stretchy
> rope.  Too difficult to pull the rope tight enough.  If you get a chance to
> find some ascenders it would be easy to reuse everything you already have
> to make a "top climber"
>
> A 4:1 block and tackle means that you have to use your arms to pull down
> 40-50lbs, 75 to 100 times.  Not particularly hard but slow and tiring.
> Using any ascender system relies on using you legs to simply squat your
> body weight 30 to 40 times.  Easier than climbing 4 flights of stairs.  I
> estimated 1-2 feet per pull or squat and a 50' mast.
>
> Josh
> On Oct 16, 2014 9:18 PM, "Jack Brennan via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>>   It’s worth wandering around the marina and testing a couple of systems
>> before buying one.
>>
>> Everyone seems to have a different preference, depending on your fear of
>> heights, taste for adventure, physical condition, etc.
>>
>> I inherited a Mast Mate and didn’t like the spongy feel of the ladder. I
>> tried an ATN Mast Climber and didn’t like it much, either, probably because
>> I wasn’t using a really taut, low-stretch line. Currently, I have a
>> four-part system (two double blocks) with 200 feet of line that allows me
>> to lift myself up if needed.
>>
>> Of course, the best system is the one I use most often – a wife who
>> thinks it’s kind of fun to get lifted up the mast.
>>
>> Jack Brennan
>> Former C&C 25
>> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List
>> 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 PM
>> *To:* Josh Muckley 
>> ; CnC CnC discussion list
>> 
>> *Cc:* Travis 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?
>>
>> Mack Sails has one I am thinking of getting.  It is shown in the
>> installation video for their Mackpack (which I am getting). They don’t
>> advertise them, but I was told they do make them up and sell them for
>> people.   You can see it in use about 4.5 minutes in to the video.  I am
>> sure it would take me a lot longer to go up, but it looks easy to use.
>> Still don’t know the cost (are you listening, Travis?) Dave
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w>
>>
>>  On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>  Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The
>> foot ascenders look promissing.
>>
>> A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends
>> attached to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of
>> obstructions).  This is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting
>> upside down and you slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one
>> reason I prefer a harness.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender
>>
>> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)
>>
>> How to Use Ascenders <http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA>
>>
>> http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101
>>
>> Josh
>> On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of
>>> projects -- One of which is some mast work.
>>>
>>> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if
>>> so, what did you use.
>>>
>>> There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so
>>> it’s on my mind.
>>>
>>> And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Edd
>>>
>>>
>>> Edd M. Schillay
>>> Starship Enterprise
>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>> City Island, NY
>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I just made such an arrangement similar to what Josh described. Bought a 
left and right hand ascender, and put a toe loop on each. Used one 
halyard to pull up a line with a knot in the middle to the top of the 
mast, and tied off the lower end of each part, tightly, at the deck.  
Then put one ascender/toe loop on each part of the line.  Took a second 
halyard to a bosun's chair, with a short loop to a climbing harness as a 
safety.  Was then easy to use both hands and feet to pull up on the 
ascenders/foot loops, while my wife took the slack up on the chair 
halyard using a winch.  Then I could sit back on the chair while I slid 
the ascenders/toe loops higher on the two parts, and repeat.  The nice 
part was that coming down, I took the ascenders off and she just payed 
out the chair on the winch, and the really nice part was that I could 
get my head above the top of mast by standing on the toe loops.


One worthwhile addition was to put a small carabiner in each toe loop 
around the side lines, keeps the toe loops under the ascenders.


I'm going to try this weekend to climb without the chair, it would mean 
alternately lifting one side at a time, and will still want the second 
line a a safety/belay to the harness.


The price was about $70 each for the ascenders (new at REI), $60 for the 
harness and about $30 for the toe loops.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/16/2014 8:17 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


The ATN top climmer has worked pretty well for me but I would not buy 
one.  The TC is simply two Gibbs ascenders attached custom bosun's 
chair and 60' or 70' of 1/2" rope.


They arrangement of the ascenders is such that the chair is attached 
to the top on and a foot strap is attached to the bottom one.  
Standing up on the foot straps allows you to raise the upper ascender 
which brings the chair tight to your butt.  Sit down in the chair and 
now you can bend your knees to raise the lower ascender.  You inchworm 
your way up the rope. The rope that was tied to the mast collar on 
deck and winched taught to the top of the mast.  One could safely use 
a halyard pull the rope tight.  Tight is key.  No stretch rope is also 
key.


I would look to MAKE a similar system but using rock climbing 
ascenders (gibbs or otherwise).  I would also use a rock climbing 
harness as a primary and maybe take a comfortable bosun's chair of 
choice to the top IF I was going to be there for more than 10 min.  
The ascenders cost $30-50.  Rope $50-70. Harness $50-100.  Gear can be 
found at EMS.com or instore.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Listers,

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list
of projects -- One of which is some mast work.

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber,
and, if so, what did you use.

There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical
Sailor, so it's on my mind.

And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[coltrek via CnC-List]

I had a lot of trouble with regular stay- set, then I took the line out to the 
shop, tied one end to a bollard,  the other to a fork lift and stretched it so 
tight I could walk on it for an afternoon.  Worked great after that. 


Bill

 Original message From: Joel Aronson via 
CnC-List  Date:10/16/2014  10:19 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Josh Muckley , 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers? 

Fwiw ATN was not at the Annapolis boat show this year. Always had a booth 
in the past. 
I've seen the climber used. The rope must be tight for it to work well. I let 
others do the climbing. 

Joel

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Yeah Jack, ATN didn't do themselves any favors when then used the stretchy 
rope.  Too difficult to pull the rope tight enough.  If you get a chance to 
find some ascenders it would be easy to reuse everything you already have to 
make a "top climber"

A 4:1 block and tackle means that you have to use your arms to pull down 
40-50lbs, 75 to 100 times.  Not particularly hard but slow and tiring.  Using 
any ascender system relies on using you legs to simply squat your body weight 
30 to 40 times.  Easier than climbing 4 flights of stairs.  I estimated 1-2 
feet per pull or squat and a 50' mast.

Josh

On Oct 16, 2014 9:18 PM, "Jack Brennan via CnC-List"  
wrote:
It’s worth wandering around the marina and testing a couple of systems before 
buying one.
 
Everyone seems to have a different preference, depending on your fear of 
heights, taste for adventure, physical condition, etc.
 
I inherited a Mast Mate and didn’t like the spongy feel of the ladder. I tried 
an ATN Mast Climber and didn’t like it much, either, probably because I wasn’t 
using a really taut, low-stretch line. Currently, I have a four-part system 
(two double blocks) with 200 feet of line that allows me to lift myself up if 
needed.
 
Of course, the best system is the one I use most often – a wife who thinks it’s 
kind of fun to get lifted up the mast.
 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I am not up to speed on all of the high tech lines that are now available, but 
is it not possible to buy lines that are already pre-stretched?
The story you tell could be an argument for sticking with my tried and true 
wire and polyester halyards, but I did buy an ATN Top Climber, and I want to 
purchase the right rope. 

Steve 
  - Original Message - 
  From: coltrek via CnC-List 
  To: Joel Aronson ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; Josh Muckley 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?


  I had a lot of trouble with regular stay- set, then I took the line out to 
the shop, tied one end to a bollard,  the other to a fork lift and stretched it 
so tight I could walk on it for an afternoon.  Worked great after that. 




  Bill


   Original message 
  From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
  Date:10/16/2014 10:19 PM (GMT-05:00) 
  To: Josh Muckley , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers? 


  Fwiw ATN was not at the Annapolis boat show this year. Always had a booth in 
the past. 
  I've seen the climber used. The rope must be tight for it to work well. I let 
others do the climbing. 


  Joel

  On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Yeah Jack, ATN didn't do themselves any favors when then used the stretchy 
rope.  Too difficult to pull the rope tight enough.  If you get a chance to 
find some ascenders it would be easy to reuse everything you already have to 
make a "top climber"

A 4:1 block and tackle means that you have to use your arms to pull down 
40-50lbs, 75 to 100 times.  Not particularly hard but slow and tiring.  Using 
any ascender system relies on using you legs to simply squat your body weight 
30 to 40 times.  Easier than climbing 4 flights of stairs.  I estimated 1-2 
feet per pull or squat and a 50' mast.

Josh

On Oct 16, 2014 9:18 PM, "Jack Brennan via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

  It’s worth wandering around the marina and testing a couple of systems 
before buying one.

  Everyone seems to have a different preference, depending on your fear of 
heights, taste for adventure, physical condition, etc.

  I inherited a Mast Mate and didn’t like the spongy feel of the ladder. I 
tried an ATN Mast Climber and didn’t like it much, either, probably because I 
wasn’t using a really taut, low-stretch line. Currently, I have a four-part 
system (two double blocks) with 200 feet of line that allows me to lift myself 
up if needed.

  Of course, the best system is the one I use most often – a wife who 
thinks it’s kind of fun to get lifted up the mast.

  Jack Brennan


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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers

[Joseph Sisson via CnC-List]

Edd,

I have rigged a mast self climber using rock climbing gear that I had on hand.
I used my rock climbing harness, three carabiners, two cords (about half the 
diameter of your spinnaker halyard) and the spinnaker halyard.
All the gear is rated for climbing so I was confident that my safety was not in 
jeopardy.
As a back up, I had a friend "belay" me by keeping tension on the main halyard 
that I rigged into the system.

You will have to experiment with the length of the two cords so that one will 
be attached to your harness (which you will sit down in to take the weight off 
your feet),
and one cord will extend down to your feet (which you will stand on to take the 
weight off your harness).
The cords are attached around both strands of your spinnaker halyard using a 
carabiner (one carabiner for each cord) and a bachmann hitch and one of the 
cords is attached to your harness and the other is rigged with loops for your 
feet to fit into.

The third carabiner is attached to the main halyard and clipped through the 
harness climbing loops (NOT THROUGH THE BELAY LOOP).

I start by sitting in the harness (now the bachmann hitch grabs tight to the 
spinnaker halyard and my weight is transferred to the spin hal).
I then bend my knees and lift up my feet  as close to my but as I can get them.
This will put slack in the cord with the foot loops and you then move the 
bachmann hitch up the spin hal as far as you can reach.
Now straighten your legs and stand on the foot loops and your weight will be 
supported by the bachmann hitch and cord to your feet.
This will put slack in the other cord to your harness so you move that bachmann 
hitch up the spin hal as far as you can reach.
Now sit into your harness and raise your feet to start the cycle over again.  
Repeat until you are as far up the mast as you want to go.

To come down reverse the process.

The advantage of this system is that it cost me nothing (I already had all the 
gear) and I did not have to purchase ascenders as the bachmann hitch worked 
just fine.
The other advantage is that the lack of ascenders used results in no damage to 
the spinnaker halyard  and no need to purchase an extra rope to climb the mast.

If you visit your local indoor climbing gym I am sure they will be able to 
advise you on the gear that you will need for this simple system.

In a pinch (emergency) you can use this system to climb the mast yourself, but 
always have someone belay you with the main halyard if possible.

Cheers,
Joseph Sisson
S/V Silent Runner
1975 C&C 35 MKII






On 2014-10-16, at 7:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
> projects -- One of which is some mast work. 
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so,
> what did you use. 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I followed a similar thread on this list a number of years ago. I built a 
climbing harness from rock climbing equipment. It worked pretty good going up, 
but was a bit of a pain coming down. If someone wants it, it is available for 
the shipping - it  is two carabineers and some strapping. I have decided to let 
the boat yard with its crane and the little car the mechanic rides in do my 
mast top work from now on - I just don't need to work that hard (and the boat 
partner - ex admiral pays her half).

Gary (Maryland)
gnylan...@atlanticbb.net
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
  To: Josh Muckley ; CnC CnC discussion list 
  Cc: Travis 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?


  Mack Sails has one I am thinking of getting.  It is shown in the installation 
video for their Mackpack (which I am getting). They don’t advertise them, but I 
was told they do make them up and sell them for people.   You can see it in use 
about 4.5 minutes in to the video.  I am sure it would take me a lot longer to 
go up, but it looks easy to use.  Still don’t know the cost (are you listening, 
Travis?) Dave


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RT3iajT-E&list=FLzBlwDs4NZ1W1NImTfRSC-w


  On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Here's a couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing.  The foot 
ascenders look promissing.

A waste strap/line can also be passed around the mast and both ends 
attached to the harness (one end on a carabiner for fast passing of 
obstructions).  This is added safety to prevent accidentally twisting upside 
down and you slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one reason I prefer 
a harness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA

http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101


Josh


On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

  Listers,


  Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of 
projects -- One of which is some mast work. 


  Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if 
so, what did you use. 


  There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so 
it’s on my mind.


  And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 




  All the best,


  Edd




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  Starship Enterprise
  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Sorry, I used the wrong terminology - 'ascenders'  - and I got mine from REI.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?


  I just made such an arrangement similar to what Josh described.  Bought a 
left and right hand ascender, and put a toe loop on each.  Used one halyard to 
pull up a line with a knot in the middle to the top of the mast, and tied off 
the lower end of each part, tightly, at the deck.  Then put one ascender/toe 
loop on each part of the line.  Took a second halyard to a bosun's chair, with 
a short loop to a climbing harness as a safety.  Was then easy to use both 
hands and feet to pull up on the ascenders/foot loops, while my wife took the 
slack up on the chair halyard using a winch.  Then I could sit back on the 
chair while I slid the ascenders/toe loops higher on the two parts, and repeat. 
 The nice part was that coming down, I took the ascenders off and she just 
payed out the chair on the winch, and the really nice part was that I could get 
my head above the top of mast by standing on the toe loops.

  One worthwhile addition was to put a small carabiner in each toe loop around 
the side lines, keeps the toe loops under the ascenders.

  I'm going to try this weekend to climb without the chair, it would mean 
alternately lifting one side at a time, and will still want the second line a a 
safety/belay to the harness.

  The price was about $70 each for the ascenders (new at REI), $60 for the 
harness and about $30 for the toe loops.

  Neil Gallagher
  Weatherly, 35-1
  Glen Cove, NY



  On 10/16/2014 8:17 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

The ATN top climmer has worked pretty well for me but I would not buy one.  
The TC is simply two Gibbs ascenders attached custom bosun's chair and 60' or 
70' of 1/2" rope.

They arrangement of the ascenders is such that the chair is attached to the 
top on and a foot strap is attached to the bottom one.  Standing up on the foot 
straps allows you to raise the upper ascender which brings the chair tight to 
your butt.  Sit down in the chair and now you can bend your knees to raise the 
lower ascender.  You inchworm your way up the rope.  The rope that was tied to 
the mast collar on deck and winched taught to the top of the mast.  One could 
safely use a halyard pull the rope tight.  Tight is key.  No stretch rope is 
also key.

I would look to MAKE a similar system but using rock climbing ascenders 
(gibbs or otherwise).  I would also use a rock climbing harness as a primary 
and maybe take a comfortable bosun's chair of choice to the top IF I was going 
to be there for more than 10 min.  The ascenders cost $30-50.  Rope $50-70.  
Harness $50-100.  Gear can be found at EMS.com or instore.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 16, 2014 7:58 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

  Listers, 


  Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of 
projects -- One of which is some mast work. 


  Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if 
so, what did you use. 


  There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so 
it's on my mind.


  And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast. 




  All the best,


  Edd




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  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

I built one of these but using starboard instead of marine ply.  I also had
a bigger eye at the bottom to guide the line easier.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo167/knuterikt/mastClimber-2.jpg

 

I ascended once to the top this year, and few times to the 1st spreader.  My
girlfriend was there to belay the safety halyard for the way up and down.
But I was able to pull my weight without a problem.  It takes a bit getting
used to and always have a safety line.

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

 

Listers,

 

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my
list of projects -- One of which is some mast work. 

 

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber,
and, if so, what did you use. 

 

There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical
Sailor, so it's on my mind.

 

And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the
mast. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

I have a similar system except I use a prussic loop rather than the bachman, 
and then two climbing tapes to go from loop to harness or feet, I think they 
are more secure and they work in both directions should you find yourself 
upside down for some reason.

- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Sisson via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:02:35 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers


Edd, 


I have rigged a mast self climber using rock climbing gear that I had on hand. 
I used my rock climbing harness, three carabiners, two cords (about half the 
diameter of your spinnaker halyard) and the spinnaker halyard. 
All the gear is rated for climbing so I was confident that my safety was not in 
jeopardy. 
As a back up, I had a friend "belay" me by keeping tension on the main halyard 
that I rigged into the system. 


You will have to experiment with the length of the two cords so that one will 
be attached to your harness (which you will sit down in to take the weight off 
your feet), 
and one cord will extend down to your feet (which you will stand on to take the 
weight off your harness). 
The cords are attached around both strands of your spinnaker halyard using a 
carabiner (one carabiner for each cord) and a bachmann hitch and one of the 
cords is attached to your harness and the other is rigged with loops for your 
feet to fit into. 


The third carabiner is attached to the main halyard and clipped through the 
harness climbing loops (NOT THROUGH THE BELAY LOOP). 


I start by sitting in the harness (now the bachmann hitch grabs tight to the 
spinnaker halyard and my weight is transferred to the spin hal). 
I then bend my knees and lift up my feet  as close to my but as I can get them. 
This will put slack in the cord with the foot loops and you then move the 
bachmann hitch up the spin hal as far as you can reach. 
Now straighten your legs and stand on the foot loops and your weight will be 
supported by the bachmann hitch and cord to your feet. 
This will put slack in the other cord to your harness so you move that bachmann 
hitch up the spin hal as far as you can reach. 
Now sit into your harness and raise your feet to start the cycle over again.  
Repeat until you are as far up the mast as you want to go. 


To come down reverse the process. 


The advantage of this system is that it cost me nothing (I already had all the 
gear) and I did not have to purchase ascenders as the bachmann hitch worked 
just fine. 
The other advantage is that the lack of ascenders used results in no damage to 
the spinnaker halyard  and no need to purchase an extra rope to climb the mast. 


If you visit your local indoor climbing gym I am sure they will be able to 
advise you on the gear that you will need for this simple system. 


In a pinch (emergency) you can use this system to climb the mast yourself, but 
always have someone belay you with the main halyard if possible. 


Cheers, 
Joseph Sisson 
S/V Silent Runner 
1975 C&C 35 MKII 













On 2014-10-16, at 7:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: 


Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of 
projects -- One of which is some mast work.   



Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so, 
what did you use.   


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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The best ascenders are made for speleologists (cave climbers). Buy those at any 
place that sells climbing gear (e.g. MEC.ca). Petzl initially was dealing in 
that kind of gear (now they have just about anything climbing related). I would 
look at Petzl or Grivel (around $70).

I trust the climbing gear much more than anything else as climbers use that 
gear all the time (sailors only occasionally and with great reluctance).

If you want some extra ease in climbing up or want to have something to stand 
up on, try a string of these: 
http://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/big-wall-climbing/alpine-aiders-BD390050ALL1.html
 (Black Diamond Climbing Aider). It is not that much different than climbing 
the mast steps.

If you prefer to live to tell the story, always use a second line for safety 
(one to hang on, one spare). If you don’t, make sure that you have a video 
camera filming the story and have someone to post it to Darwin Awards.

Marek
s/v “Legato” (mast unstepped, waiting for haulout)
in Ottawa

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

Listers, 

Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of projects 
-- One of which is some mast work. 

Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so, 
what did you use. 

There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so it’s on 
my mind.

And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I advocate making your own climbing system but for the record, the ATN
system uses Gibbs ascenders.  They are full capture ascenders that cannot
come off and have a good record in the climbing and fire & rescue
communities.

Some ascenders are designed to attach at a mid point of the rope these can
come off if care is not taken.  If one of these is being considered then
one should ensure that it is also the type refered to as "prusik minding".
It will have a fair lead around the rope to push a prusik up the rope in
front of the ascender.  It will also have a means of attaching the prusik
to the ascender.  It could be a hole or just simply a closed handle, a
handle carabiner combo, or a clip.

Josh
On Oct 17, 2014 12:17 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>   The best ascenders are made for speleologists (cave climbers). Buy
> those at any place that sells climbing gear (e.g. MEC.ca). Petzl initially
> was dealing in that kind of gear (now they have just about anything
> climbing related). I would look at Petzl or Grivel (around $70).
>
> I trust the climbing gear much more than anything else as climbers use
> that gear all the time (sailors only occasionally and with great
> reluctance).
>
> If you want some extra ease in climbing up or want to have something to
> stand up on, try a string of these:
> http://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/big-wall-climbing/alpine-aiders-BD390050ALL1.html
> (Black Diamond Climbing Aider). It is not that much different than climbing
> the mast steps.
>
> If you prefer to live to tell the story, always use a second line for
> safety (one to hang on, one spare). If you don't, make sure that you have a
> video camera filming the story and have someone to post it to Darwin Awards.
>
> Marek
> s/v "Legato" (mast unstepped, waiting for haulout)
> in Ottawa
>
>  *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:58 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?
>
> Listers,
>
> Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I'm starting my list of
> projects -- One of which is some mast work.
>
> Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if
> so, what did you use.
>
> There's an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so
> it's on my mind.
>
> And no, the transporter can't materialize me at the top of the mast.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

look out for ascenders with 'teeth'; they can shred the rope on a fall, and 
break the rope (if it is bad enough, but will ruin the rope anyhow).  Gibb 
ascenders a lot better (more like a line clutch), we only used Gibbs in USART.

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/16/14, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?
 To: "C&C List" , "Edd Schillay" 
 Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014, 5:39 PM
 
 Here's a
 couple of links to spring off of for ascender climbing. 
 The foot ascenders look promissing.
 A waste strap/line can also be passed around
 the mast and both ends attached to the harness (one end on a
 carabiner for fast passing of obstructions).  This is added
 safety to prevent accidentally twisting upside down and you
 slipping out of the harness or chair.  This is one reason I
 prefer a harness.
 https://www.google.com/search?q=ascender+climbing&oq=ascender
 http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_(climbing)
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LK20hvHQyA
 http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/ascender-safety-101
 
 Josh
 
 
 On Oct 16, 2014 7:58
 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
 wrote:
 Listers,
Now that the
 Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of
 projects -- One of which is some mast work. 
Has anyone on the list
 ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if so, what
 did you use. 
There’s an article
 about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so it’s
 on my mind.
And no, the
 transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the
 mast. 
 
 
 
All the
 best,
Edd
 
Edd M.
 Schillay   Starship
 Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No:
 NCC-1701-B City Island,
 NY Starship
 Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Self-Climbers?

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

This is how I'm setting up next year using a Grigri. It makes a great ascender 
/ descender. Check it out. 
http://youtu.be/BkErYrEWOMA

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
>   Now that the Enterprise is up for the winter, I’m starting my list of 
> projects -- One of which is some mast work. 
> 
>   Has anyone on the list ever rigged their own mast self-climber, and, if 
> so, what did you use. 
> 
>   There’s an article about it in the latest issue of Practical Sailor, so 
> it’s on my mind.
> 
>   And no, the transporter can’t materialize me at the top of the mast. 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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