Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Ok. Got it. Let's get back to bilge pumps and varnishes. 
Jon

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> On Jul 19, 2017, at 9:37 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I hold a 75 Tom Ocean Operatoms license. 
> 
> It was Not dragging a net and not fishing.  Just booms down.   
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: JP Mail via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Date: 7/18/17 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: JP Mail <jon.peterpr...@gmail.com> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road 
> 
> Correct. This guy had stabilizers out and dragging a net. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> "Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
>>> right away over sailing vessel. 
>>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
>>>> doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so 
>>>> empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right 
>>>> direction. 
>>>> 
>>>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
>>>> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I 
>>>> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
>>>> 
>>>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
>>>> 
>>>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
>>>> "yachties"  
>>>> 
>>>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
>>>> incompetent.  
>>>> 
>>>> 1981 40-2.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>>> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>>> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> 
>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road 
>>>> 
>>>> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers 
>>>> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed 
>>>> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve 
>>>> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the 
>>>> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...
>>>> 
>>>> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on 
>>>> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4 
>>>> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes, 
>>>> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one 
>>>> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance 
>>>> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I 
>>>> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"  
>>>> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and 
>>>> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the 
>>>> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the 
>>>> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not 
>>>> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do 
>>>> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
>>>> 
>>>> Danny
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
>>>> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of 
>>>> > these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually 
>>

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[David via CnC-List]

I hold a 75 Tom Ocean Operatoms license.

It was Not dragging a net and not fishing.  Just booms down.



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 Original message 
From: JP Mail via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 7/18/17 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: JP Mail <jon.peterpr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

Correct. This guy had stabilizers out and dragging a net.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

"Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.

Joel

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
right away over sailing vessel.
Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty 
waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.

Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did 
not alter course and risk a roundup in the process

Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"

Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.

1981 40-2.



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 Original message 
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com<mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers
boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed
us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve
to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the
shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...

Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on
us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4
knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,
when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one
degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance
and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I
shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"
Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and
they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the
little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the
overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not
figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do
was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!

Danny


On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
> Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of these 
> here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually turned 
> around and yelled at me for not changing course...
>
> Cheers,
> AR
>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
>> starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about 
>> the same speed on my port side.
>>
>> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
>> clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
>> leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
>> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would 
>> duck behind me.
>>
>> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case 
>> where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he 
>> wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even 
>> have time to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he 
>> passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs 
>> on his back deck that saw me and l

Re: Stus-List Rules of the road.

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What “working boat” rule exactly does he think there is?
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:12 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: Stus-List Rules of the road.

I was heading south out of Annapolis on a port tack. Power boat which looked 
like a Crabber type is heading north on a course which will take me across his 
bow with at least 100 yards or more clearance. As it is that he is heading 
north I cannot see his stern, and if he is working or not. Looks to me like  he 
is just heading for port. He is not stopping, I see no pots going over the side 
or coming back on board. I hold my course. NBD, as we aren't really on a 
collision course anyway. I finally decided to veer off starboard and give him 
more room when I got close enough to see no one at the helm. As we passed, with 
lots of distance to spare, he cussed ME out "give way to a working vessel you 
so an so"
How the hell was I to know he was "working". He was flying no flag ( it was 
daylight). Nor have I ever seen anyone fly day signals on the Bay.
NTL, I always assume the other vessel will not abide buy the rules, but I don't 
give way unless I feel it necessary. Usually that means our distances are still 
far enough apart to avoid last minute confusion.
S/V La Neige
1993 C 37/40 XL
Havre de Grace , MD
FB blog : thenext14years
Brian and Manon
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[henry evans via CnC-List]

Bill Bina is quite correct about doing what the regulations expect of you. That 
applies to the point where you become "in extremis".  That point must be 
determined by the Master of the stand on vessel at the time and is always 
subject to review and judgement by the courts in cases where collisions result. 
 Once "in extremis" it is the Master's obligation to take all possible actions 
to avoid collision.  Or, as I put it earlier, to "get the hell out of the way". 
A prudent Captain has been on the VHF radio and sounding the ship's horn long 
before "in extremis" is declared in an effort to get the give way vessel to 
meet her obligation of keeping clear.  
I, for one, am all in favor of declaring "in extremis" sooner than later and 
giving yourself a better chance of avoiding collision.  I have used the VHF 
radio to declare "in extremis" while announcing my rudder is full port or 
starboard. At the same the ship's horn is sounding the 5 blast danger signal 
danger signal followed shortly after by the appropriate signal for my turn 
direction. Sound signals and VHF broadcasts are continuous until the danger has 
passed.  I have done this many times from the bridge of my trawler, as Officer 
of the Deck and as Commanding Officer of United States Navy Destroyers.  I have 
never had a collision at sea and my judgement has never been called into 
question, post incident.  
Even with early action, I have had closer calls with vessels failing in their 
keep clear obligations than I might have wished. I have always reported such 
incidents to appropriate authorities whether in inland waters or on the high 
seas.  Masters failing to comply with the Colleges deserve to be reported and 
called to task for their transgressions.  Unfortunately, theyseldom are.
Hank Evans  CDR. USN  (Ret.)M/V Queen Ann's Revenge 



On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 2:58:44 PM CDT, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 
Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit boats. 
Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some larnin' to do, 
son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is expected, but allows 
for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives way is screwing up the 
system. Being unpredictable is not what a licensed captain ever wants to be. 
Many on this list have had licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton Masters 
for years and decades. :-) 
 
 
Bill Bina
 
 
 On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with license 
sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear down and 
dragging a net. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
  
  

See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" except 
for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel was in the 
wrong in this case as described. :-)
 
 
Bill Bina
 
 
 On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
right away over sailing vessel.  Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.  
 Sent from my iPhone 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
 
  
  
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 We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty 
waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.  
  Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did 
not alter course and risk a roundup in the process  
  Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.   
  Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"  
 
  Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.  
 
  1981 40-2.   
  
  
 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Got it. 
Jon

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> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:32 PM, BillBinaList via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You still need to go back and read rule 13 until you understand it. The 
> colregs are deliberately vague and some rules supercede others depending on 
> situation. Your quote is only correct in very basic terms. A fishing boat 
> with a net dragging behind does not have complete immunity to the colregs in 
> all situations. In admiralty court, all parties will be assigned some portion 
> of the blame for any collision. It is almost unheard of for any captain in a 
> collision to come out without being assigned any percentage of the blame. If 
> you are properly anchored in a designated anchorage, and are asleep in your 
> bunk when a drunk plows into your boat at 2:30 am, you will be held partly 
> responsible because you will be found to have violated some colregs. I 
> Guarantee it.  In this case as described, the fishing vessel was overtaking, 
> which give it responsibility to stay clear. That supercedes their position in 
> the pecking order in a crossing situation. Rule 13 and Rule 2 are in play 
> here. 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 4:26 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Yes. As I said, license to learn. 
>> 
>> "Each of these vessels must keep out of the way of the next vessel. For 
>> example, a sailboat must keep out of the way of a vessel engaged in fishing, 
>> which in turn must keep out of the way of a vessel with restricted 
>> maneuverability. And everyone must keep out of the way of a vessel not under 
>> command."
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit boats. 
>>> Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some larnin' to do, 
>>> son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is expected, but 
>>> allows for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives way is screwing up 
>>> the system. Being unpredictable is not what a licensed captain ever wants 
>>> to be. Many on this list have had licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 
>>> ton Masters for years and decades. :-) 
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
 This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with 
 license sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with 
 gear down and dragging a net. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
> See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" 
> except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel 
> was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has 
>> the right away over sailing vessel. 
>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down 
>>> LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September 
>>> weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from 
>>> the right direction. 
>>> 
>>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us 
>>> from astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our 
>>> transom if I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
>>> 
>>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
>>> 
>>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
>>> "yachties"  
>>> 
>>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
>>> incompetent.  
>>> 
>>> 1981 40-2.  
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

That is covered in the colregs. Rule 2, as I have mentioned several 
times now. :-)




Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 4:30 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
I agree with sticking to the rules, but I will not endanger my 
passengers by sticking to them while I let an idiot ram my boat. 
That's all I'm sayin'

With respect,
Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit 
boats. Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some 
larnin' to do, son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what 
is expected, but allows for those who don't. A stand on vessel that 
gives way is screwing up the system. Being unpredictable is not what 
a licensed captain ever wants to be. Many on this list have had 
licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton Masters for years and 
decades. :-)


Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, 
with license sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a 
vessel with gear down and dragging a net.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> wrote:


See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of 
way" except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The 
fishing vessel was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)


Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and 
has the right away over sailing vessel.

Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:


We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward 
down LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear 
 September weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with 
great wind from the right direction.


Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on 
us from astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up 
our transom if I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the 
process


Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
"yachties"


Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
incompetent.


1981 40-2.








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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

*Commercial Fishing with gear*, not Billy and Bubba with some lines over ;)

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JP Mail via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: JP Mail <jon.peterpr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

Yes. As I said, license to learn.

"Each of these vessels must keep out of the way of the next vessel. For 
example, a sailboat must keep out of the way of a vessel engaged in fishing, 
which in turn must keep out of the way of a vessel with restricted 
maneuverability. And everyone must keep out of the way of a vessel not under 
command."
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit boats. 
Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some larnin' to do, 
son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is expected, but allows 
for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives way is screwing up the 
system. Being unpredictable is not what a licensed captain ever wants to be. 
Many on this list have had licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton Masters 
for years and decades. :-)

Bill Bina

On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with license 
sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear down and 
dragging a net.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" except 
for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel was in the 
wrong in this case as described. :-)

Bill Bina

On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
right away over sailing vessel.
Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty 
waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.

Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did 
not alter course and risk a roundup in the process

Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"

Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.

1981 40-2.




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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

I agree with sticking to the rules, but I will not endanger my passengers by 
sticking to them while I let an idiot ram my boat. That's all I'm sayin'
With respect,
Jon

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit boats. 
> Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some larnin' to do, 
> son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is expected, but 
> allows for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives way is screwing up 
> the system. Being unpredictable is not what a licensed captain ever wants to 
> be. Many on this list have had licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton 
> Masters for years and decades. :-) 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with 
>> license sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear 
>> down and dragging a net. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" 
>>> except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel 
>>> was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
 Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
 right away over sailing vessel. 
 Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  
 wrote:
 
> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down 
> LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September 
> weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from 
> the right direction. 
> 
> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if 
> I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
> 
> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
> 
> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
> "yachties"  
> 
> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
> incompetent.  
> 
> 1981 40-2.  
> 
> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Yes. As I said, license to learn. 

"Each of these vessels must keep out of the way of the next vessel. For 
example, a sailboat must keep out of the way of a vessel engaged in fishing, 
which in turn must keep out of the way of a vessel with restricted 
maneuverability. And everyone must keep out of the way of a vessel not under 
command."
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit boats. 
> Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some larnin' to do, 
> son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is expected, but 
> allows for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives way is screwing up 
> the system. Being unpredictable is not what a licensed captain ever wants to 
> be. Many on this list have had licenses at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton 
> Masters for years and decades. :-) 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with 
>> license sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear 
>> down and dragging a net. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" 
>>> except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel 
>>> was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
 Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
 right away over sailing vessel. 
 Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  
 wrote:
 
> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down 
> LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September 
> weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from 
> the right direction. 
> 
> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if 
> I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
> 
> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
> 
> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
> "yachties"  
> 
> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
> incompetent.  
> 
> 1981 40-2.  
> 
> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Failure to really know and UNDERSTAND the colregs is why boats hit 
boats. Congratulations on your license, but you may still have some 
larnin' to do, son. Colregs depend on everyone knowing and doing what is 
expected, but allows for those who don't. A stand on vessel that gives 
way is screwing up the system. Being unpredictable is not what a 
licensed captain ever wants to be. Many on this list have had licenses 
at levels from 6-pack up to 100 ton Masters for years and decades. :-)


Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 3:45 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with 
license sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with 
gear down and dragging a net.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> wrote:


See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of 
way" except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The 
fishing vessel was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)


Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and 
has the right away over sailing vessel.

Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:


We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward 
down LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear 
 September weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with 
great wind from the right direction.


Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us 
from astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our 
transom if I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process


Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
"yachties"


Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
incompetent.


1981 40-2.






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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Sometimes they do get what they deserve.  A number of years ago we were in the inner harbor of our home port, a clearly posted no wake zone, headed toward our slip.  We were passed and nearly swamped by a large powerboat throwing up a big wake.  I was irate since our young daughter was on deck at the time and hailed the marina.  Their response was "don't worry, we saw it".  The powerboat's slip happened to be the face dock of the same pier where the police and sheriff boats docked, and there were 4 officers waiting for him as he pulled in.  I heard that in addition to speeding violations, they also did a meticulous safety inspection and threw the book at him for some shortcomings there.  I have to admit to some satisfaction on that one.The epilogue to this one is that a few years later, I saw the same boat sitting in a riverfront boatyard with the entire fly bridge sheared off like he had driven under a low bridge at high speed.  I guess some people never learn, though I hope he did not injure someone else in that incident.  Jim Reinardy C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI 


 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road
From: David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Tue, July 18, 2017 11:07 am
To: CNC CNC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com>

We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.    Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process    Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.     Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"     Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.     1981 40-2.  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message  From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)  To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers  boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed  us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve  to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the  shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...  Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on  us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4  knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,  when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one  degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance  and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I  shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"   Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and  they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the  little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the  overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not  figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do  was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!  Danny   On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote: > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually turned around and yelled at me for not changing course... > > Cheers, > AR > >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about the same speed on my port side. >> >> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would duck behind me. >> >> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs on h

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[henry evans via CnC-List]

Rules notwithstanding, when safety and common sense indicates to get the hell 
out of the way, for Pete's sake do it !
Hank EvansM/V Queen Ann's Revenge

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 2:46:24 PM CDT, JP Mail via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with license 
sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear down and 
dragging a net. 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:


 

See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" except 
for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel was in the 
wrong in this case as described. :-)
 
 
Bill Bina
 
 
 On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
right away over sailing vessel.  Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.  
 Sent from my iPhone 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
 
  
  
#yiv7917440445 #yiv7917440445 -- .yiv7917440445EmailQuote 
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 We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty 
waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.  
  Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did 
not alter course and risk a roundup in the process  
  Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.   
  Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"  
 
  Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.  
 
  1981 40-2.   
  
  
 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

This is why boats hit boats. Sorry I mentioned it. Me personally, with license 
sitting in the desk at home, I would give way to a vessel with gear down and 
dragging a net. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" except 
> for one   specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel 
> was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
>> right away over sailing vessel. 
>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
>>> doing about 9 knots with just   Lady Di and I.  Clear  
>>> September weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind 
>>> from the right direction. 
>>> 
>>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
>>> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I 
>>> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
>>> 
>>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
>>> 
>>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude   
>>> towards us "yachties"  
>>> 
>>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
>>> incompetent.  
>>> 
>>> 1981 40-2.  
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

BTW, congrats on the 6 pack!

Joel

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:41 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> Correct. This guy had stabilizers out and dragging a net.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> "Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has
>> the right away over sailing vessel.
>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down
>> LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday
>> so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right
>> direction.
>>
>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from
>> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I
>> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process
>>
>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.
>>
>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us
>> "yachties"
>>
>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously
>> incompetent.
>>
>> 1981 40-2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road
>>
>> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers
>> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed
>> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve
>> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the
>> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the
>> companionway...
>>
>> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on
>> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4
>> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,
>> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one
>> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance
>> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I
>> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"
>> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and
>> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the
>> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the
>> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not
>> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do
>> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
>>
>> Danny
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
>> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of
>> these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually
>> turned around and yelled at me for not changing course...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > AR
>> >
>> >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5
>> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching
>> at about the same speed on my port side.
>> >>
>> >> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it
>> became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he
>> was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give
>> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would
>> duck behind me.
>> >>
>> >> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a
>> case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I
>> realized he wasn't going to give

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Correct. This guy had stabilizers out and dragging a net. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> "Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
>> right away over sailing vessel. 
>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
>>> doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so 
>>> empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right 
>>> direction. 
>>> 
>>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
>>> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I 
>>> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
>>> 
>>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
>>> 
>>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
>>> "yachties"  
>>> 
>>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
>>> incompetent.  
>>> 
>>> 1981 40-2.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road 
>>> 
>>> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers 
>>> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed 
>>> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve 
>>> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the 
>>> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...
>>> 
>>> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on 
>>> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4 
>>> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes, 
>>> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one 
>>> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance 
>>> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I 
>>> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"  
>>> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and 
>>> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the 
>>> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the 
>>> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not 
>>> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do 
>>> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
>>> 
>>> Danny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
>>> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of 
>>> > these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually 
>>> > turned around and yelled at me for not changing course...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > AR
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List 
>>> >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 
>>> >> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat 
>>> >> approaching at about the same speed on my port side.
>>> >>
>>> >> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it 
>>> >> became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and 
>>> >> he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would 
>>> >> give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him o

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

See also Rule 2, and Rule 13. There is no such thing as "right of way" 
except for one specific instance in the inland rules. The fishing vessel 
was in the wrong in this case as described. :-)


Bill Bina


On 7/18/2017 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has 
the right away over sailing vessel.

Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List > wrote:


We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward 
down LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear 
 September weekday so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with 
great wind from the right direction.


Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us 
from astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our 
transom if I did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process


Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us 
"yachties"


Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously 
incompetent.


1981 40-2.




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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

*Rule 3 - General Definitions* [image: Return to the top of the page]
<https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=navRulesContent#top>
For the purpose of these Rules [* and 33 CFR §83-90 *], except where the
context otherwise requires:

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including
non-displacement craft, WIG craft, and seaplanes, used or capable of being
used as a means of transportation on water.

(b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery.

(c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

(*d) The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with
nets, lines, trawls, or other fishing apparatus which restrict
maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines
or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict maneuverability.*

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has
>> the right away over sailing vessel.
>> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down
>> LIS doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday
>> so empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right
>> direction.
>>
>> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from
>> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I
>> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process
>>
>> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.
>>
>> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us
>> "yachties"
>>
>> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously
>> incompetent.
>>
>> 1981 40-2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road
>>
>> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers
>> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed
>> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve
>> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the
>> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the
>> companionway...
>>
>> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on
>> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4
>> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,
>> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one
>> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance
>> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I
>> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"
>> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and
>> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the
>> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the
>> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not
>> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do
>> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
>>
>> Danny
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
>> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of
>> these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually
>> turned around and yelled at me for not changing course...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > AR
>> >
>> >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5
>> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power bo

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

"Fishing" means a commercial vessel dragging gear, not some guy trolling.

Joel

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:19 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the
> right away over sailing vessel.
> Yeah, just got the 6 pack license.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS
> doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so
> empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right
> direction.
>
> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from
> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I
> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process
>
> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.
>
> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us
> "yachties"
>
> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously
> incompetent.
>
> 1981 40-2.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road
>
> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers
> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed
> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve
> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the
> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...
>
> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on
> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4
> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,
> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one
> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance
> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I
> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"
> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and
> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the
> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the
> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not
> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do
> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
>
> Danny
>
>
> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of
> these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually
> turned around and yelled at me for not changing course...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > AR
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5
> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching
> at about the same speed on my port side.
> >>
> >> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it
> became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he
> was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give
> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would
> duck behind me.
> >>
> >> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a
> case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I
> realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed
> tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun
> around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were two
> people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked bewildered
> wondering why I was so close to them.
> >>
> >> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in
> any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my
> judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port
> side at 5 to 6 knots.
> >>
> >> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and
> totally unnecessary.
> >>
> >> Rob Abbott
> >&g

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Vessel engaged in Fishing is restricted in her ability to move and has the 
right away over sailing vessel. 
Yeah, just got the 6 pack license. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:07 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
> doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so 
> empty waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right 
> direction. 
> 
> Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
> astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I 
> did not alter course and risk a roundup in the process 
> 
> Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.  
> 
> Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"  
> 
> Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.  
> 
> 1981 40-2.  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road 
> 
> when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers 
> boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed 
> us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve 
> to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the 
> shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...
> 
> Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on 
> us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4 
> knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes, 
> when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one 
> degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance 
> and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I 
> shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"  
> Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and 
> they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the 
> little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the 
> overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not 
> figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do 
> was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
> > Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of 
> > these here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually 
> > turned around and yelled at me for not changing course...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > AR
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
> >> starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at 
> >> about the same speed on my port side.
> >>
> >> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
> >> clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
> >> leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
> >> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would 
> >> duck behind me.
> >>
> >> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case 
> >> where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he 
> >> wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't 
> >> even have time to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and 
> >> he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were two people sitting in 
> >> chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked bewildered wondering why I 
> >> was so close to them.
> >>
> >> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in any 
> >> way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my judgement 
> >> of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port side at 5 
> >> to 6 knots.
> >>
> >> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and 
> >> totally unnecessary.
> >>
> >> Rob Abbott
> 

Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[David via CnC-List]

We were powered up on a broad reach with a chute heading eastward down LIS 
doing about 9 knots with just Lady Di and I.  Clear  September weekday so empty 
waters.  And a rare morning sail with great wind from the right direction.

Fishing dragger with stabilizers down is slowing bearing down on us from 
astern.   30 minutes later and he would have run right up our transom if I did 
not alter course and risk a roundup in the process

Prick was on bridge.  Wouldnt answer radio.

Some of those commercial guys just have a bad attitude towards us "yachties"

Either it's black or white with them...competent or maliciously incompetent.

1981 40-2.



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 7/18/17 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers
boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed
us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve
to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the
shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...

Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on
us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4
knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes,
when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one
degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance
and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I
shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"
Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and
they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the
little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the
overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not
figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do
was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!

Danny


On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:
> Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of these 
> here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually turned 
> around and yelled at me for not changing course...
>
> Cheers,
> AR
>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
>> starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about 
>> the same speed on my port side.
>>
>> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
>> clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
>> leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
>> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would 
>> duck behind me.
>>
>> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case 
>> where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he 
>> wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even 
>> have time to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he 
>> passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs 
>> on his back deck that saw me and looked bewildered wondering why I was so 
>> close to them.
>>
>> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in any 
>> way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my judgement 
>> of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port side at 5 to 
>> 6 knots.
>>
>> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and totally 
>> unnecessary.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

when we were on our 22 foot sailboat we got swamped by a bis a$$ powers 
boat's wake because he couldn't be bother to give us any room and passed 
us about 20 feet off our bow throwing a 4' wake. Then they had the nerve 
to wave...  My wife waved back with 1 finger while hanging off the 
shrouds.  That wake came up over the bow and right down the companionway...


Last summer, I was watching this sail boat flying a spinnaker closing on 
us from the stern to port.  We were running wing and wing doing about 4 
knots in a light breeze.  Now, I watched them for at least 40 minutes, 
when I first saw them they could simply have changed their course by one 
degree and came well aft. instead, they close within shouting distance 
and the lady on the helm yells over, "can you give us some room?"  I 
shouted back, "what do you want me to do?"  she replies, "head up!"  
Upon which two other crew members seemed to say something to her and 
they dropped the sock over the spin, came across my stern and opened the 
little spin back up.  I assumed the stand on position of being the 
overtaken vessel and knew it was their job to get around me. I could not 
figure out what they were doing and decided the best thing i could do 
was stand on.  Luckily it worked out!


Danny


On 7/18/2017 12:59 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:

Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of these here in 
Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually turned around and 
yelled at me for not changing course...

Cheers,
AR


On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List  wrote:

Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about 
the same speed on my port side.

As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would duck 
behind me.

Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case where 
he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he wasn't 
going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even have time 
to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' 
from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that 
saw me and looked bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.

He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in any way. 
  If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my judgement of the 
situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port side at 5 to 6 knots.

I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and totally 
unnecessary.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Glad you were able get away without any damages... I have had a few of these 
here in Chesapeake. Once the "captain" of the power boat actually turned around 
and yelled at me for not changing course...

Cheers,
AR

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:32 AM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
> starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about 
> the same speed on my port side.
> 
> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
> clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
> leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
> way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would 
> duck behind me.
> 
> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case 
> where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he 
> wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even 
> have time to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he passed 
> approx. 3' from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs on his 
> back deck that saw me and looked bewildered wondering why I was so close to 
> them.
> 
> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in any 
> way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my judgement of 
> the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port side at 5 to 6 
> knots.
> 
> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and totally 
> unnecessary.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[henry evans via CnC-List]

I hope you got on the radio with a Security warning to the Coast Guard and  
Local Marine Police of a boat operating in a dangerous and illegal manner and 
identified the boat, course and speed to warn others.  That usually gets the 
offender's attention and sometimes motivates law enforcement to actually do 
some enforcing.
Hank EvansM/V Queen Ann's Revenge 

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:23:37 AM CDT, robert via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 The 'big boat rule' would not have meant much if his bow slammed into my port 
side.smaller tonnage slams into bigger tonnage.can't see a winner in 
that scenario.
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 C 32-84
 Halifax, N.S. 
 
 On 2017-07-18 12:53 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 But the Law of Gross Tonnages will beat anything…   :^) 
  — Fred
  
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 
  
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:51 AM, detroito91 via CnC-List  
wrote: 
  Common sense overcomes pure stupidly and lack of knowledge.  Jim Schwartz  
SEA YA! 38 LF Washington nc   
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

You were absolutely the stand on vessel. 
You also had(have )the responsibility to avoid collision. You also have the 
right to yell, "HEY F-CKTARD" BUY A BOOK" as he passes your stern. Just sayin'.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:51 AM, detroito91 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Common sense overcomes pure stupidly and lack of knowledge. 
> Jim Schwartz 
> SEA YA!
> 38 LF
> Washington nc 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: robert via CnC-List 
> Date: 7/18/17 10:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert 
> Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road
> 
> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 
> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat 
> approaching at about the same speed on my port side.
> 
> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it 
> became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and 
> he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would 
> give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or 
> he would duck behind me.
> 
> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a 
> case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I 
> realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed 
> tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun 
> around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were 
> two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked 
> bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.
> 
> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in 
> any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my 
> judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, 
> port side at 5 to 6 knots.
> 
> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and 
> totally unnecessary.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Try buying a powerboat. Most powerboaters will sort of reluctantly admit sail 
has right of way, but no way in hell will a big powerboat EVER yield to a small 
one - EVER. I learned real fast with my ski boat I was completely invisible to 
the bigger powerboats.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road

The 'big boat rule' would not have meant much if his bow slammed into my port 
side.smaller tonnage slams into bigger tonnage.can't see a winner in 
that scenario.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32-84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2017-07-18 12:53 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
But the Law of Gross Tonnages will beat anything...   :^)

- Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:51 AM, detroito91 via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Common sense overcomes pure stupidly and lack of knowledge.
Jim Schwartz
SEA YA!
38 LF
Washington nc





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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[robert via CnC-List]

No name on the boat but I would recognize it if I saw it again.



On 2017-07-18 12:36 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List wrote:

Any idea of the boat name/colout?



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 Original message 
From: robert via CnC-List 
Date: 2017-07-18 11:30 (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road

Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5
knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat
approaching at about the same speed on my port side.

As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it
became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and
he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would
give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or
he would duck behind me.

Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a
case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I
realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed
tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun
around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were
two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked
bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.

He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in
any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my
judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship,
port side at 5 to 6 knots.

I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and
totally unnecessary.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

But the Law of Gross Tonnages will beat anything…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:51 AM, detroito91 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Common sense overcomes pure stupidly and lack of knowledge. 
> Jim Schwartz 
> SEA YA!
> 38 LF
> Washington nc 

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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Common sense overcomes pure stupidly and lack of knowledge. Jim Schwartz SEA 
YA!38 LFWashington nc 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: robert via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/18/17  10:30 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert  Subject: Stus-List 
Rules of the Road 
Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 
knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat 
approaching at about the same speed on my port side.

As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it 
became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and 
he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would 
give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or 
he would duck behind me.

Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a 
case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I 
realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed 
tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun 
around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were 
two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked 
bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.

He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in 
any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my 
judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, 
port side at 5 to 6 knots.

I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and 
totally unnecessary.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

There are a lot of rental boats, power and sail, near me.  I've learned not
to assume that other operators know what they are doing or who has rights.
The worst are the SailTime rentals.  The cats are generally motoring a
straight line.

Glad you were paying attention!

Joel

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:36 AM, jhnelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Any idea of the boat name/colout?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: robert via CnC-List 
> Date: 2017-07-18 11:30 (GMT-04:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert 
> Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road
>
> Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5
> knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat
> approaching at about the same speed on my port side.
>
> As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it
> became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and
> he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would
> give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or
> he would duck behind me.
>
> Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a
> case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I
> realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed
> tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun
> around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were
> two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked
> bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.
>
> He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in
> any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my
> judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship,
> port side at 5 to 6 knots.
>
> I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and
> totally unnecessary.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Any idea of the boat name/colout?


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 Original message 
From: robert via CnC-List  
Date: 2017-07-18  11:30  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert  
Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road 

Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 
knots, starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat 
approaching at about the same speed on my port side.

As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it 
became clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and 
he was a leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would 
give way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or 
he would duck behind me.

Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a 
case where he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I 
realized he wasn't going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed 
tacked'..I didn't even have time to release the jib...just spun 
around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' from my transom. There were 
two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that saw me and looked 
bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.

He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in 
any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my 
judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, 
port side at 5 to 6 knots.

I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and 
totally unnecessary.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Rules of the Road

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That happens, people are clueless,  and in the USA at least, commercial has 
nothing to do with it either.
Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Rules of the Road

Yesterday afternoon, having a pleasant sail in Halifax harbor, 5.5 knots, 
starboard tack with a 25' to 30' cape island power boat approaching at about 
the same speed on my port side.

As we approached each other, I was judging distance and time and it became 
clear we were on a collision course.  Since I was under sail and he was a 
leisure boat, not commercial, under power I assumed he would give 
way..maybe slow his speed and let me cross in front of him or he would duck 
behind me.

Not happeningI could see him looking right at me so it was not a case where 
he didn't, couldn't see me.at the last moment when I realized he wasn't 
going to give me right of way,  I 'crashed tacked'..I didn't even have time 
to release the jib...just spun around 180 degrees and he passed approx. 3' 
from my transom. There were two people sitting in chairs on his back deck that 
saw me and looked bewildered wondering why I was so close to them.

He didn't slow down, didn't alter his course, didn't acknowledge me in 
any way.   If I had not turned, we would have collided..given my 
judgement of the situation, he would have T-boned me about mid ship, port side 
at 5 to 6 knots.

I will be more careful in the future..this was way too close and totally 
unnecessary.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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