Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi All,

I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with 
an RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I 
can't identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for 
the gypsy and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb 
CQR that came with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new 
chain and shackle.  I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet 
of the 5/16 G4.  This is by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 
275 foot 1/2 drum for just under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find 
by a few hundred bucks.  the shackle will add another $100...  I may be 
able to save a few bucks by waiting for the spring sale.


My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution 
seem well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers 
that do a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands 
but, I do have visions of venturing further.


my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one 
that takes 3/8 BBB chain. That chain is actually more expensive, heavier 
and has a lower working load limit.


Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 
5/16 G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 
feet of chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to 
sailboat data.  the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up 
to 40 feet and 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think 
this is the most practical solution for now. If I were to head off into 
the sunset, I believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor 
but, for now...


I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've 
been emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my 
options going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one 
of these old simpson lawence units!


--
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

How deep are your typical anchorages?  If you are anchoring in 15 feet of
water you will have 200 feet of chain left in the locker.
Don't forget about an anchor hook and snubber.

Joel


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On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:31 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with
> an RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I
> can't identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for
> the gypsy and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb
> CQR that came with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new
> chain and shackle.  I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of
> the 5/16 G4.  This is by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275
> foot 1/2 drum for just under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a
> few hundred bucks.  the shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to
> save a few bucks by waiting for the spring sale.
>
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution
> seem well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that
> do a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do
> have visions of venturing further.
>
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one
> that takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier
> and has a lower working load limit.
>
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet
> 5/16 G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet
> of chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat
> data.  the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet
> and 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
>
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been
> emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options
> going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old
> simpson lawence units!
>
> --
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Danny — unless you’re anchoring deep or in tropical waters (read: coral) all 
the time, I would think 90 feet of chain (over two boat lengths) would work for 
your type of sailing.  This would easily give you a 5:1 scope in fifteen feet 
of water without going onto the rope rode.  And the size and type of chain 
should be fine.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with an 
> RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I can't 
> identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for the gypsy 
> and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb CQR that came 
> with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new chain and shackle.  
> I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of the 5/16 G4.  This is 
> by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275 foot 1/2 drum for just 
> under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a few hundred bucks.  the 
> shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to save a few bucks by 
> waiting for the spring sale.
> 
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution seem 
> well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that do a 
> week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do have 
> visions of venturing further.
> 
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one that 
> takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier and has 
> a lower working load limit.
> 
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 5/16 
> G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet of 
> chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat data.  
> the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet and 
> 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most 
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I 
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
> 
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been 
> emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options 
> going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old 
> simpson lawence units!
> 
> -- 
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Danny,

Even with a 40’ boat, placing that much chain in a bow locker will drastically 
change the balance of the boat and boat handling will be compromised.  We had 
friends with a Tayana 64 that sailed beautifully upwind and downwind until they 
put 250’ of chain in the bow.  Downwind the boat suffered greatly and steered 
like a truck going upwind as the bow tended to plow.

Why not use a combination of chain and 8 Plait rope that will fit the gypsy on 
your Windlass and save yourself considerable weight?

Most firm 8 plait rode will act just like chain in your windlass and wont 
require a shackle at the chain/rope junction.  If the windlass is designed to 
accommodate 5/16” chain, using 5/8” 8 Plait should be sufficiently large and 
robust to allow the chain/rope to pass smoothly into your locker and will take 
up far less room than a comparable length chain only rode.

 

Full disclosure, I work for a rope manufacturer so perhaps my preference 
towards a combination rode may not be completely unbiased.  I will say that the 
folks at Defender sell literally thousands and thousands of feet of both chain 
and rope and given their New England locale, I don’t think its unreasonable to 
take their advice given your sailing area.

Best,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

 

Hi All,

I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with an 
RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I can't 
identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for the gypsy 
and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb CQR that came 
with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new chain and shackle.  I 
was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of the 5/16 G4.  This is by 
no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275 foot 1/2 drum for just under 
$800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a few hundred bucks.  the shackle 
will add another $100...  I may be able to save a few bucks by waiting for the 
spring sale.

My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution seem 
well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that do a week 
out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do have visions 
of venturing further.

my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one that 
takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier and has a 
lower working load limit.

Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 5/16 G4 
for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet of chain.  
My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat data.  the mantus 
website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet and 20,000 lbs.  I 
know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most practical solution for 
now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I believe I would upgrade the 
windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...

I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been 
emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options 
going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old 
simpson lawence units!

-- 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Joel,

Anchoring is pretty new to us but the goal is to stay in 15 feet or 
less.  So, you point is well taken.


Fred,

I was considering the 90 feet of chain option.  Isn't the rule of thumb 
7:1 including the free board?  I mean, still, 90 feet of chain laid out 
on the bottom should be plenty to keep that anchor at a good angle.


Given our very limited experience with anchoring I was thinking I should 
go over and above but, if that's not necessary why spend the money, 
right?  John Over at SL apares said he would run some calculations to 
know how much chain the windlass can handle so, maybe that will make the 
decision for me.


Danny



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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Danny,

I needed chain for one of my clients a few years ago.  I asked the local
crab fishermen where they got chain.  They pointed me to a local
Vietnamese-owned marine supply store where I bought chain at a decent
discount to the regular marine supply stores.  Ask the local fishermen!

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:31 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with
> an RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I
> can't identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for
> the gypsy and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb
> CQR that came with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new
> chain and shackle.  I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of
> the 5/16 G4.  This is by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275
> foot 1/2 drum for just under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a
> few hundred bucks.  the shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to
> save a few bucks by waiting for the spring sale.
>
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution
> seem well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that
> do a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do
> have visions of venturing further.
>
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one
> that takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier
> and has a lower working load limit.
>
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet
> 5/16 G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet
> of chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat
> data.  the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet
> and 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
>
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been
> emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options
> going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old
> simpson lawence units!
>
> --
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I will add a little bit to this discussion on chain anchor rode.  After having 
an all chain rode now for 3 years as a cruiser (coastal and Bahamas), chain 
provides an unmatched level of security.  I have 225 feet of (5/16”) chain in 
my bow locker and it’s true that it can affect the boat’s balance but it can be 
offset by keeping the forward water tank empty (which I do when bucking strong 
headwinds).  I also removed my second anchor which I never needed anyway and 
replaced it with a Fortress for use in emergencies.  I have a secondary anchor 
rode which is a combination of rope and chain but this one is not used with the 
windlass.  The maximum length of chain I have ever used is 150 feet.  So, you 
could use just 150 feet and then add rope to the end that rarely if ever gets 
used—I’ve thought about altering my anchor rode this way to save weight in the 
bow.

Don’t forget that chain provides the luxury of less scope that a rope rode.  I 
would recommend tailoring your length of chain to your current cruising area 
and not for some future goal.  You will carrying around all that chain from now 
until the future whether you ever need it or not.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently traveling south on ICW)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Danny,
> Even with a 40’ boat, placing that much chain in a bow locker will 
> drastically change the balance of the boat and boat handling will be 
> compromised.  We had friends with a Tayana 64 that sailed beautifully upwind 
> and downwind until they put 250’ of chain in the bow.  Downwind the boat 
> suffered greatly and steered like a truck going upwind as the bow tended to 
> plow.
> Why not use a combination of chain and 8 Plait rope that will fit the gypsy 
> on your Windlass and save yourself considerable weight?
> Most firm 8 plait rode will act just like chain in your windlass and wont 
> require a shackle at the chain/rope junction.  If the windlass is designed to 
> accommodate 5/16” chain, using 5/8” 8 Plait should be sufficiently large and 
> robust to allow the chain/rope to pass smoothly into your locker and will 
> take up far less room than a comparable length chain only rode.
>  
> Full disclosure, I work for a rope manufacturer so perhaps my preference 
> towards a combination rode may not be completely unbiased.  I will say that 
> the folks at Defender sell literally thousands and thousands of feet of both 
> chain and rope and given their New England locale, I don’t think its 
> unreasonable to take their advice given your sailing area.
> Best,
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:30 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor chain advice
>  
> Hi All,
> 
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with an 
> RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I can't 
> identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for the gypsy 
> and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb CQR that came 
> with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new chain and shackle.  
> I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of the 5/16 G4.  This is 
> by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275 foot 1/2 drum for just 
> under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a few hundred bucks.  the 
> shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to save a few bucks by 
> waiting for the spring sale.
> 
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution seem 
> well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that do a 
> week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do have 
> visions of venturing further.
> 
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one that 
> takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier and has 
> a lower working load limit.
> 
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 5/16 
> G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet of 
> chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat data.  
> the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet and 
> 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most 
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I 
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
> 
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John o

Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Curious,  How does someone get 300# of chain from the store to the boat?  


At 1.10#/ft that will weigh 302#.  Split it up into 6) 5gal buckets, the 
portions would be more manageble at 50# each and that would fit in a dolly/cart 
and could be safely handled by one person, as in lifted in and out of a car.



I'm a big believer in using a 20# kellet and/or two anchors.   My boat does not 
have an anchor locker, so I have to carry my rode out of the cabin.   I keep it 
all in a canvas carryall bag and I've done it so many times, it's become very 
easy. 



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On November 20, 2018 at 10:29 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with 
> an RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I can't 
> identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for the gypsy 
> and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb CQR that came 
> with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new chain and shackle.  
> I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of the 5/16 G4.  This is 
> by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275 foot 1/2 drum for just 
> under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a few hundred bucks.  the 
> shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to save a few bucks by 
> waiting for the spring sale.
> 
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution 
> seem well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that do 
> a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do have 
> visions of venturing further.
> 
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one 
> that takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier 
> and has a lower working load limit.
> 
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 
> 5/16 G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet of 
> chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat data.  
> the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet and 
> 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most 
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I 
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
> 
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been 
> emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options 
> going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old 
> simpson lawence units!
> 
> -- 
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
> 


 

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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Excellent question.  When I installed a windlass and 200 feet of chain on a
client's boat, I had the store load the barrel of chain into my Suburban
with a forklift.  Fortunately for me the boat was bow in on a bulkhead.  We
simply used the new windlass to fed it from the back of the Suburban into
the chain locker.

If the boat is out on a pier, relocate the boat.  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:33 AM Chuck S via CnC-List 
wrote:

>
> Curious,  How does someone get 300# of chain from the store to the boat?
>
>
> At 1.10#/ft that will weigh 302#.  Split it up into 6) 5gal buckets, the
> portions would be more manageble at 50# each and that would fit in a
> dolly/cart and could be safely handled by one person, as in lifted in and
> out of a car.
>
>
>
> I'm a big believer in using a 20# kellet and/or two anchors.   My boat
> does not have an anchor locker, so I have to carry my rode out of the
> cabin.   I keep it all in a canvas carryall bag and I've done it so many
> times, it's become very easy.
>
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[Mike Rose via CnC-List]

Danny,

Also beware of the tides. I have a +10' tide to consider when I am
anchoring in 15' MLW.  I usually have less rode than I would like because
of space, inside Hadley Harbor comes to mind. I carry 100' chain spliced to
150' rope.

Mike
s/v Shannon Rose
C&C 39
Marblehead, MA


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> Hi All,
>
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with
> an RC172 gypsy.? This gypsy is for 5/16? G43 HT ISO chain.? Currently I
> can't identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for
> the gypsy and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.? I have 45lb
> CQR that came with the boat.? So, my plan currently is to go with a new
> chain and shackle.? I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet
> of the 5/16 G4.? This is by no means a small investment!? Defender has a
> 275 foot 1/2 drum for just under $800.? this is the cheapest I can find
> by a few hundred bucks.? the shackle will add another $100...? I may be
> able to save a few bucks by waiting for the spring sale.
>
> My question is really more of search for validation.? Does this solution
> seem well suited for my situation.? Currently we are coastal cruisers
> that do a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands
> but, I do have visions of venturing further.
>
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one
> that takes 3/8 BBB chain. That chain is actually more expensive, heavier
> and has a lower working load limit.
>
> Does all chain seem like overkill?? I could also buy a pail of 90 feet
> 5/16 G4 for $300.? the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275
> feet of chain.? My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to
> sailboat data.? the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up
> to 40 feet and 20,000 lbs.? I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think
> this is the most practical solution for now. If I were to head off into
> the sunset, I believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor
> but, for now...
>
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.? We've
> been emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my
> options going forward.? really great service if you happen to have one
> of these old simpson lawence units!
>
> --
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[David via CnC-List]

Danny.  Take your gypsy off and give it to me next Sunday.I will see if my 
50' of new and unused chain will fit.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Danny Haughey via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Stus-List Anchor chain advice


Hi All,

I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with an 
RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I can't 
identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for the gypsy 
and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb CQR that came 
with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new chain and shackle.  I 
was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of the 5/16 G4.  This is by 
no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275 foot 1/2 drum for just under 
$800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a few hundred bucks.  the shackle 
will add another $100...  I may be able to save a few bucks by waiting for the 
spring sale.

My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution seem 
well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that do a week 
out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do have visions 
of venturing further.

my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one that 
takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier and has a 
lower working load limit.

Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet 5/16 G4 
for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet of chain.  
My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat data.  the mantus 
website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet and 20,000 lbs.  I 
know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most practical solution for 
now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I believe I would upgrade the 
windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...

I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been 
emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options 
going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old 
simpson lawence units!

--
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Wow lots of replies you may not see this 15 kg rons 100 feet 5/16
galvanizet ht anchor cchain 100- 150 feet 1/2 inch nylon braid or 3
strand.  Good to go

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 2:40 PM David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Danny.  Take your gypsy off and give it to me next Sunday.I will see
> if my 50' of new and unused chain will fit.
>
> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>
> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>
>
> *(401) 419-4650 *
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Danny
> Haughey via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey
> *Subject:* Stus-List Anchor chain advice
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got an old simpson lawrence sprint 1500 windlass on Rum Runner with
> an RC172 gypsy.  This gypsy is for 5/16” G43 HT ISO chain.  Currently I
> can't identify the existing chain but it certainly is the wrong size for
> the gypsy and the measurements don't match G4 or BBB chain.  I have 45lb
> CQR that came with the boat.  So, my plan currently is to go with a new
> chain and shackle.  I was thinking of going all chain at about 275 feet of
> the 5/16 G4.  This is by no means a small investment!  Defender has a 275
> foot 1/2 drum for just under $800.  this is the cheapest I can find by a
> few hundred bucks.  the shackle will add another $100...  I may be able to
> save a few bucks by waiting for the spring sale.
>
> My question is really more of search for validation.  Does this solution
> seem well suited for my situation.  Currently we are coastal cruisers that
> do a week out a couple times a summer around the cape and islands but, I do
> have visions of venturing further.
>
> my only choices for a gypsy is the current one or replace that with one
> that takes 3/8 BBB chain.   That chain is actually more expensive, heavier
> and has a lower working load limit.
>
> Does all chain seem like overkill?  I could also buy a pail of 90 feet
> 5/16 G4 for $300.  the weight difference is about 200lbs over the 275 feet
> of chain.  My T40 has a displacement of 17,250lbs according to sailboat
> data.  the mantus website recommends 5/16 G4 chain for boats up to 40 feet
> and 20,000 lbs.  I know I'm nearing the limit but, I think this is the most
> practical solution for now.   If I were to head off into the sunset, I
> believe I would upgrade the windlass, chain and anchor but, for now...
>
> I'd also like to throw a word out for John over at SL Spares.  We've been
> emailing for a month or two figuring out exactly what I have and my options
> going forward.  really great service if you happen to have one of these old
> simpson lawence units!
>
> --
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain advice - Shank angle comparison at scope of 5:1, 6:1, 7:1 etc.

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Another thing to consider - the angle of the shank at various scope ratios.  

You might want to look at the following site:  
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/anchor_scope&page=1, and be sure to look at 
page 2 as well.  

Once you get beyond 6:1 the return on longer line or chain drops off pretty 
dramatically.  It is near logarithmic in my estimation.
The weight of the anchor chain helps the scope up until it is stretched tight.  
After that, the gain from the chain is lost.  I.m guessing that will happen at 
around 40 or 50 knots of wind when you really want it anyway.  t's just weight, 
and it doesn't stretch, meaning lots of shock loads on your cleats and gear.  

So, yes, put out more chain if that makes you feel better, but don't lose track 
of the fact that if your anchor is properly sized, digs in reasonably well (as 
should a Delta, Plow, Rocna, etc.) and has decent holding, even one boat length 
of chain on a good anchor should easily hold in a 40 - 50 knot sustained blow.  
To reduce the chances of grief, anchor in a protected cove.  Finally set an 
anchor drag alarm like the Drag Queen anchor alarm app.  

Just my $.02 worth, Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
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