Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I wrote: Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. PS. Removing the weight of the big water tank in the V Berth allowed me to carry full chain anchor rode. Very useful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
My poo tank is in the v-berth and we try to keep that one empty. I imagine that fuel tankage becomes an issue when making the Galapagos to Marquesas passage. But then, I'm basing that on things I've read on the internet ... It just seems that if I'm going to pick a boat and spend a bunch of money I want to keep my cruising options as wide open as possible. I do love those 40s though, and in my mind 40 was always the magic number in regards to boat length. Seriously, what do you guys think of this boat: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvOMW2RDuiM I know, something's wrong with it I just wonder what. offers encouraged. It's clear from the spec list that lots of stuff needs repair but those are all odds and ends. If the deck, rigging and motor are sound that's a good deal. The 40 was a solid hull, no? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I wrote: Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. PS. Removing the weight of the big water tank in the V Berth allowed me to carry full chain anchor rode. Very useful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I think it's been on the market a while. It can't hurt to call the broker and ask him straight out about the problems he knows about. Otherwise, go down and look at it with a plastic hammer in hand and check it out. If the hull has moisture in it, that's a big job to fix. if the deck has moisture and if it's not too widespread, that's not to big a deal. I think a lot of people are put off our boats simply because of the balsa core. And that's reflected in the asking price. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: My poo tank is in the v-berth and we try to keep that one empty. I imagine that fuel tankage becomes an issue when making the Galapagos to Marquesas passage. But then, I'm basing that on things I've read on the internet ... It just seems that if I'm going to pick a boat and spend a bunch of money I want to keep my cruising options as wide open as possible. I do love those 40s though, and in my mind 40 was always the magic number in regards to boat length. Seriously, what do you guys think of this boat: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvOMW2RDuiM I know, something's wrong with it I just wonder what. offers encouraged. It's clear from the spec list that lots of stuff needs repair but those are all odds and ends. If the deck, rigging and motor are sound that's a good deal. The 40 was a solid hull, no? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I wrote: Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. PS. Removing the weight of the big water tank in the V Berth allowed me to carry full chain anchor rode. Very useful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Good advice from Andy. Probably no hour meter on the motor. When looking at the cost of replacing running rigging, remember it is probably twice the cost of replacing the rigging on your boat. Also, 7 foot draft could be a challenge in the Bahamas. If they bothered to buy Kevlar sails they must have been racing. Check them for delamination. I'd guess a new main and jib would be 6-10k. Used spinnakers are easy to find. Joel On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: I think it's been on the market a while. It can't hurt to call the broker and ask him straight out about the problems he knows about. Otherwise, go down and look at it with a plastic hammer in hand and check it out. If the hull has moisture in it, that's a big job to fix. if the deck has moisture and if it's not too widespread, that's not to big a deal. I think a lot of people are put off our boats simply because of the balsa core. And that's reflected in the asking price. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: My poo tank is in the v-berth and we try to keep that one empty. I imagine that fuel tankage becomes an issue when making the Galapagos to Marquesas passage. But then, I'm basing that on things I've read on the internet ... It just seems that if I'm going to pick a boat and spend a bunch of money I want to keep my cruising options as wide open as possible. I do love those 40s though, and in my mind 40 was always the magic number in regards to boat length. Seriously, what do you guys think of this boat: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvOMW2RDuiM I know, something's wrong with it I just wonder what. offers encouraged. It's clear from the spec list that lots of stuff needs repair but those are all odds and ends. If the deck, rigging and motor are sound that's a good deal. The 40 was a solid hull, no? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I wrote: Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. PS. Removing the weight of the big water tank in the V Berth allowed me to carry full chain anchor rode. Very useful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Steve — how about this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C%26c-Landfall-2198133/Long-Island/NY/United-States#.UvOt3vaXqME They need to come down on the price a bit… Or you could go for something a little larger, from the same broker (!): http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2002/Custom-Cruise-Ship-2687416/Unknown/Chile#.UvOuIfaXqME Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: It just seems that if I'm going to pick a boat and spend a bunch of money I want to keep my cruising options as wide open as possible. I do love those 40s though, and in my mind 40 was always the magic number in regards to boat length. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
In the northeast, many buyers will shy away from boats with 7' draft (except the die hard racers of course). That may be another factor on the asking price. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: My poo tank is in the v-berth and we try to keep that one empty. I imagine that fuel tankage becomes an issue when making the Galapagos to Marquesas passage. But then, I'm basing that on things I've read on the internet ... It just seems that if I'm going to pick a boat and spend a bunch of money I want to keep my cruising options as wide open as possible. I do love those 40s though, and in my mind 40 was always the magic number in regards to boat length. Seriously, what do you guys think of this boat: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvOMW2RDuiM I know, something's wrong with it I just wonder what. offers encouraged. It's clear from the spec list that lots of stuff needs repair but those are all odds and ends. If the deck, rigging and motor are sound that's a good deal. The 40 was a solid hull, no? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I wrote: Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. PS. Removing the weight of the big water tank in the V Berth allowed me to carry full chain anchor rode. Very useful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Joel, I think that you overestimate the cost of the new sails. I know that you can buy a new set for $6-10k, but you don’t have to. Unless you are talking about serious racing stuff. My experience is that you can have the new sails for much more reasonable price. I got a new set (main and 135% jib) for my 27 ft. boat (mind you, these are in-shore sails) for $1800. And these are not some sails made off-shore that many criticise for poor workmanship; I got them made in the US. I can imagine that off-shore sails would cost more (normally 50% more), but it should not be triple. Marek in Ottawa -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:49:17 -0500 From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications Message-ID: CAEL16P81z8vpY=_wcmqzqok7p7kecqh90d1nxpavxdxv2tr...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good advice from Andy. Probably no hour meter on the motor. When looking at the cost of replacing running rigging, remember it is probably twice the cost of replacing the rigging on your boat. Also, 7 foot draft could be a challenge in the Bahamas. If they bothered to buy Kevlar sails they must have been racing. Check them for delamination. I'd guess a new main and jib would be 6-10k. Used spinnakers are easy to find. Joel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I would think that all that added surface area dramatically increases load too, so I would think more reinforcement, stitching, work in general. I don't think that sail prices and size correlate in parallel but I could be wrong. I like to get estimates on sail prices from fxsails because they typically have any boat listed that I'm interested in. Over there, an offshore, cruising, cross cut 130% furling headsail with foam luff is 3k for the CC 40. Already looked into. And FX is one of the value lofts. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote: Marek, You got a good deal! Don't forget, a 40 probably has over twice the sail area as a 27. Sails for a Catalina 38 are about 2k each from Rolly Tasker. (They are stock sails with prices on-line) A 40 tall rig with custom sails will probably start at 2500 each from an offshore loft. I may have been a little high, but not by more than 1 boat buck. It still looks like its worth checking it out. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.comwrote: Joel, I think that you overestimate the cost of the new sails. I know that you can buy a new set for $6-10k, but you don't have to. Unless you are talking about serious racing stuff. My experience is that you can have the new sails for much more reasonable price. I got a new set (main and 135% jib) for my 27 ft. boat (mind you, these are in-shore sails) for $1800. And these are not some sails made off-shore that many criticise for poor workmanship; I got them made in the US. I can imagine that off-shore sails would cost more (normally 50% more), but it should not be triple. Marek in Ottawa -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:49:17 -0500 From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications Message-ID: CAEL16P81z8vpY=_wcmqzqok7p7kecqh90d1nxpavxdxv2tr...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good advice from Andy. Probably no hour meter on the motor. When looking at the cost of replacing running rigging, remember it is probably twice the cost of replacing the rigging on your boat. Also, 7 foot draft could be a challenge in the Bahamas. If they bothered to buy Kevlar sails they must have been racing. Check them for delamination. I'd guess a new main and jib would be 6-10k. Used spinnakers are easy to find. Joel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
The CC 40 on YachtWorld looks gorgeous. If I base it on my experience with mine and barring anything expensive like serious blister issues and delaminations or extensive standing rigging work I would say that another 10 - 15K or so would likely get you a ship shape boat ready for off-shore work. How do I get there? - The autopilot's is probably original, ancient, and shot. A new one is likely to be in order, especially for off-shore work. - The electronics look old, wouldn't it be nice to have a chartplotter that's fully aware of the wind direction / speed / Hull speed / SOG (meaning it automatically corrects for currents and tides on its own) and can drive your autopilot to wind / preset waypoints? - Fridge is shot - Pressure water, could be a fair amount of plumbing here - Take the sails to a loft to make sure they're offshore ready - Fix the heater - Martec prop, is it a folder? If so I would not be surprised if it needs a 350.00-500.00 rebuild - Are the ports and hatches decent and water tight? - Halyards / sheets good ? (They get expensive pretty fast when you need them that big and long... ) - How recent are the lifelines? I spent a grand replacing mine.. - How recent are the batteries? - Bilge Pump / Carbon Monoxide / smoke detector(s) - Etc, Etc - The rest of the minor 25-35 items list at $35.00 - 500.00 bucks per.. -Francois Rivard 1990 CC 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
yeah the way I was looking at it was 25k purchase price 10k rigging 10k sails 15k motor 10k electronics, plumbing, etc This assuming that hull and deck are sound. I own a moisture meter and when shopping for my current boat used it to pre-qualify any boats before paying for a survey. The 200 investment saved me a lot of money. So, 70k and you have a new CC 40 that to my eye, is way cooler than a new 40 foot benny or whatever that costs 4 times more. If only it were that simple. A man can dream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUOPHqx5Gs Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.comwrote: The CC 40 on YachtWorld looks gorgeous. If I base it on my experience with mine and barring anything expensive like serious blister issues and delaminations or extensive standing rigging work I would say that another 10 - 15K or so would likely get you a ship shape boat ready for off-shore work. How do I get there? - The autopilot's is probably original, ancient, and shot. A new one is likely to be in order, especially for off-shore work. - The electronics look old, wouldn't it be nice to have a chartplotter that's fully aware of the wind direction / speed / Hull speed / SOG (meaning it automatically corrects for currents and tides on its own) and can drive your autopilot to wind / preset waypoints? - Fridge is shot - Pressure water, could be a fair amount of plumbing here - Take the sails to a loft to make sure they're offshore ready - Fix the heater - Martec prop, is it a folder? If so I would not be surprised if it needs a 350.00-500.00 rebuild - Are the ports and hatches decent and water tight? - Halyards / sheets good ? (They get expensive pretty fast when you need them that big and long... ) - How recent are the lifelines? I spent a grand replacing mine.. - How recent are the batteries? - Bilge Pump / Carbon Monoxide / smoke detector(s) - Etc, Etc - The rest of the minor 25-35 items list at $35.00 - 500.00 bucks per.. -Francois Rivard 1990 CC 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Tankage can be over-rated. Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. Despite a small 32 gallon fuel tank, I've never had a problem. I do keep two jerry cans lashed amidships on each side. If I anticipate a worry, I'll lash another two down in the cockpit. I'm not on a schedule, and pick my weather windows for sailing. These days I reach my destination without touching the jerry cans, and then worry about old fuel sitting on deck under the sunbrella covers. I've also noticed that cockroaches live under the jerry cans down here, but that's another topic. Wal Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I heard that cockroaches are good tasting little critters if prepared right...a source of much needed nourishment on the high seas when the cupboard is bare -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: February 5, 2014 6:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications Tankage can be over-rated. Watermakers are small, affordable and efficient these days. I've never regretted pulling the v-berth tank and converting to storage. Despite a small 32 gallon fuel tank, I've never had a problem. I do keep two jerry cans lashed amidships on each side. If I anticipate a worry, I'll lash another two down in the cockpit. I'm not on a schedule, and pick my weather windows for sailing. These days I reach my destination without touching the jerry cans, and then worry about old fuel sitting on deck under the sunbrella covers. I've also noticed that cockroaches live under the jerry cans down here, but that's another topic. Wal Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Andy, I sat up and took note when you mentioned Sailing Saralane; I have been a fan/follower of their site for a couple of years, since someone, (probably you), recommended it here; I really like what they did to the stern and especially the main saloon windows; I can discern that Skip is a very capable craftsman, and has access to good trades people, but what I have never been able to figure out is how adaptable those projects are to other boats, (like mine, for instance); Also, they never gave any expense information,have you ever discussed doing those, or similar modification to your 40 with Skip? I would really like to know what Skip thinks now, some many cruising mile later do you think they are worth doing as a general principle? (Of course, given the current weather conditions, the best way to find this information out would be to fly down to wherever they are anchored and ask them.he said wistfully...)! Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 That's a fun project to contemplate, Steve. And I have to admit, one that has crossed my mind more than once. I am stuck on the 40. I love the way she sails and I love that she fits my budget. Using the 40 as as a long-term cruiser is quite do-able...and in comfort. I think the storage is pretty good, and she's certainly comfortable to live aboard. The tankage is definitely a consideration, but that can be worked around; add a bladder for fuel aft of the existing tank, and perhaps another for water under the V-berth. See http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/ for what my friend Skip did to modify his 40. It's not necessary to do all he did, but it's interesting to think about. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Andy, I sat up and took note when you mentioned Sailing Saralane; I have been a fan/follower of their site for a couple of years, since someone, (probably you), recommended it here; I really like what they did to the stern and especially the main saloon windows; I can discern that Skip is a very capable craftsman, and has access to good trades people, but what I have never been able to figure out is how adaptable those projects are to other boats, (like mine, for instance); Also, they never gave any expense information,have you ever discussed doing those, or similar modification to your 40 with Skip? I would really like to know what Skip thinks now, some many cruising mile later do you think they are worth doing as a general principle? (Of course, given the current weather conditions, the best way to find this information out would be to fly down to wherever they are anchored and ask them.he said wistfully...)! Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 That's a fun project to contemplate, Steve. And I have to admit, one that has crossed my mind more than once. I am stuck on the 40. I love the way she sails and I love that she fits my budget. Using the 40 as as a long-term cruiser is quite do-able...and in comfort. I think the storage is pretty good, and she's certainly comfortable to live aboard. The tankage is definitely a consideration, but that can be worked around; add a bladder for fuel aft of the existing tank, and perhaps another for water under the V-berth. See http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/ for what my friend Skip did to modify his 40. It's not necessary to do all he did, but it's interesting to think about. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration*at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ...
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the extra water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I'm surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel...), but much more than most CC's. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.commailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the “extra” water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Nobody asked but that doesn't stop me. The CC 37+ (also known as the CC 37/40+ and by 1993, the CC 40 Series) Tankage: Tank Capacity, Fuel: 166 litres (37 Imp Gal. - 44 US Gal) Tank Capacity, Water: 299 litres (66 Imp Gal. - 79 US Gal) Bow Tank: 87 litres (19 Imp Gal. - 23 US Gal) Port Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) Starboard Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) There is quite a bit of storage under the V-berth, in cabinets along both sides of the forward and aft cabins and also both sides of the main cabin (Saloon) and behind one of the settee backs. There is a fair bit of storage in the Galley and a big Ice Box (Refrigerator Capacity: 7.6 cu. ft.). There is a decent sized Anchor Locker, a couple of good sized Cockpit Lockers and a large Lazarette (with a rather small hatch for access). No real bilge storage to speak of though and not much extra space under the settees depending on how many batteries you have in your house bank, we have 500 amp hours. For racing, by running with almost empty fuel and water tanks and taking all the cruising stuff off the boat we can lighten ship by over a ton. (2100 lbs.) so there must be some storage capacity... Displacement (Dry): 15,900 lbs. (Cruising): 18,000 lbs. Ballast: 6,990 lbs. External Lead Fin Keel Cruising Displacement includes: * full water fuel tanks * dodger, bimini, barbeque, spare sails * books, manuals, first aid emergency equipment * dinghy w/ outboard fuel, generator w/ spare fuel * pots, pans, food, beverages, clothing, bedding, etc. Ken Heaton Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 CC 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia On 4 February 2014 14:47, cenel...@aol.com wrote: By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the extra water tank too. *Joe Della Barba* CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I'm surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel...), but much more than most CC's. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I like how Ken lists the first aid kit as “cruising” stuff. Way too much coddling of our race crews. :-) All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody asked but that doesn't stop me. The CC 37+ (also known as the CC 37/40+ and by 1993, the CC 40 Series) Tankage: Tank Capacity, Fuel: 166 litres (37 Imp Gal. - 44 US Gal) Tank Capacity, Water: 299 litres (66 Imp Gal. - 79 US Gal) Bow Tank: 87 litres (19 Imp Gal. - 23 US Gal) Port Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) Starboard Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) There is quite a bit of storage under the V-berth, in cabinets along both sides of the forward and aft cabins and also both sides of the main cabin (Saloon) and behind one of the settee backs. There is a fair bit of storage in the Galley and a big Ice Box (Refrigerator Capacity: 7.6 cu. ft.). There is a decent sized Anchor Locker, a couple of good sized Cockpit Lockers and a large Lazarette (with a rather small hatch for access). No real bilge storage to speak of though and not much extra space under the settees depending on how many batteries you have in your house bank, we have 500 amp hours. For racing, by running with almost empty fuel and water tanks and taking all the cruising stuff off the boat we can lighten ship by over a ton. (2100 lbs.) so there must be some storage capacity... Displacement (Dry): 15,900 lbs. (Cruising): 18,000 lbs. Ballast: 6,990 lbs. External Lead Fin Keel Cruising Displacement includes: • full water fuel tanks • dodger, bimini, barbeque, spare sails • books, manuals, first aid emergency equipment • dinghy w/ outboard fuel, generator w/ spare fuel • pots, pans, food, beverages, clothing, bedding, etc. Ken Heaton Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 CC 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia On 4 February 2014 14:47, cenel...@aol.com wrote: By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the “extra” water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List
