Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
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Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.camailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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You throw the halyard overboard Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shelquist Sent: February 26, 2013 12:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker My take down process is the same as Joe's. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it's blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.netmailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.camailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http
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You would benefit from the help of skilled crew.no matter how you rig it unless you have the know how it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down when the wind pipes up and things go crazy. That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe's. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it's blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine
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We're on the Rhodes R just South of Annapolis. That would be great. No big hurry right now of course. We are going to haul 'n paint in March-April. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had
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Ron, Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a shackle. I have a snatch block that attaches to the tack and runs back to the cockpit. I can take pictures or show you my boat if you are close by. I'm trying to decide between a sock and furler. The cheapest socks are from North Sails Direct - not the local North lot. They run about $350. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(* *** ** ** On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r
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I'll be on my boat most weekends doing work on her for the next month. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote: Ron, Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a shackle. I have a snatch block that attaches to the tack and runs back to the cockpit. I can take pictures or show you my boat if you are close by. I'm trying to decide between a sock and furler. The cheapest socks are from North Sails Direct - not the local North lot. They run about $350. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred
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The best advice I can give is do a little racing. You will learn all you want about spinnakers...and become a better sailor, too. Racing experience really helps when you're just cruising. Get on boats with both symmetric and asymmetric kites. Annapolis is a pretty good spot to start looking and people there seem to be pretty open to showing others the ropes. For setting the pole, here's something I wrote for Cruising World: http://www.cruisingworld.com/how-to/seamanship/sailing-downwind-set-a-whisker-pole Congrats on getting a great boat! Andy CC 40 peregrine On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard
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I appreciate the concern Dwight. Indeed there would be just the two of us most often. I have great respect for these nature forces. Still I would like to use this if possible at least on occasion. I know an experienced sailor we can work with and see how feasible it is. Keeping a close watch on changing conditions I know is important. I also know conditions can change quickly. And when the rain comes it feels like getting hit by hundreds of BBs. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: You would benefit from the help of skilled crew…no matter how you rig it unless you have the “know how” it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down “when the wind pipes up and things go crazy.” That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help
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Wow. This sounds great. Our first time out we went to Pirates Cove. Good time there. Parking that behemoth in their slip in a light breeze was surprisingly challenging. I know its going to be a long road learning to handle something this size. Will file this too. Hope to see you in May. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: I am over on Kent Island. I am sure we can meet up. If nothing else, show up at our CRYC Annual Regatta J My wife likes the restaurants in Galesville, so maybe we can go down there one day and check out the sail. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker We're on the Rhodes R just South of Annapolis. That would be great. No big hurry right now of course. We are going to haul 'n paint in March-April. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention
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Yes thanks again Dwight. The latter is the option I intend to take. The fellow owns a similar boat I think it's a CC 30 and gives lessons on it. We have had one private lesson on ours. We will have at least a couple more this season, the spinnaker will be a subject of some if this training but I want to be prepared with whatever accessories are necessary and advisable. And if I'm really not going to need the pole-can get by without it, I'm going to remove it from the boat. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:07 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: No substitute for experience…either get on board another boat and learn more there or better still invite someone with experience to help on your boat if you can…once you know how and when to use your spinnaker you will love it and you will be very pleased with your sailing skills…best of fun to you Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 2:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I appreciate the concern Dwight. Indeed there would be just the two of us most often. I have great respect for these nature forces. Still I would like to use this if possible at least on occasion. I know an experienced sailor we can work with and see how feasible it is. Keeping a close watch on changing conditions I know is important. I also know conditions can change quickly. And when the rain comes it feels like getting hit by hundreds of BBs. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: You would benefit from the help of skilled crew…no matter how you rig it unless you have the “know how” it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down “when the wind pipes up and things go crazy.” That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from
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Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Yes - I was sailing to a rendezvous single-handed one day and didn't want to do the 5 or 6 gybes I would need to follow the twisting river with the pole. I rigged it up as an asym and it worked so well I have been doing that ever since. Really the only time I use the pole now is DDW in light air. Joe Della Barba -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks. I'll give that a shot myself. How do you tack it? Adjustable? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:39, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Yes - I was sailing to a rendezvous single-handed one day and didn't want to do the 5 or 6 gybes I would need to follow the twisting river with the pole. I rigged it up as an asym and it worked so well I have been doing that ever since. Really the only time I use the pole now is DDW in light air. Joe Della Barba -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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The first time I did it was with whatever spare lines were sitting around. I eventually went out and bought a Tacker (http://www.atninc.com/atn-tacker-sailing-equipment.shtml) to make life easier. If you use your pole lift and downhaul on it you can move it up and down. I use long sheets and gybe by letting the sail go forward and around. If you run the halyard and tack line back to the cockpit you can drop it without going forward. Joe Della Barba -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thanks. I'll give that a shot myself. How do you tack it? Adjustable? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:39, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Yes - I was sailing to a rendezvous single-handed one day and didn't want to do the 5 or 6 gybes I would need to follow the twisting river with the pole. I rigged it up as an asym and it worked so well I have been doing that ever since. Really the only time I use the pole now is DDW in light air. Joe Della Barba -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Hi, My cruising spinnaker is also a 0.75 oz symetrical with a sock. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche CC 38-3, #076 De : Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : lundi 25 février 2013 9h39 Objet : Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Yes - I was sailing to a rendezvous single-handed one day and didn't want to do the 5 or 6 gybes I would need to follow the twisting river with the pole. I rigged it up as an asym and it worked so well I have been doing that ever since. Really the only time I use the pole now is DDW in light air. Joe Della Barba -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Rich I have done that with my triradial spinnaker several times...I use a tack line outside the bow pulpit from the sail through the snap shackle on the bow to a cleat on deck. Let the tack of the sail fly out in front about 4-5 feet from the snap shackle on that line. Works nice off the wind in light stuff. Release the tack line before the halyard when dowsing. Cleat the spin halyard from a cabin top winch near the base of the mast...then it's possible to do alone in light air but it's a handful and it's a real PITA if the wind freshens...I have only done it on a very long light air run. I started a long light air run from Crescent Beach to Lunenburg one nice warm August fore noon and all was fine and beautiful for several hours up along the coast and then when approaching Cross Island the wind began to build and move forward...what a job I had then, it might have been easier to fall off and head to Halifax rather than try to get that thing down...but I got it down, lots of flapping and dragging behind in the water...I worked damn hard getting that sail down and on board alone while Rosalie held tight to the wheel. I don't carry the spinnaker much anymore and she is very happy for that and fortunately I have found other things that occupy the space below decks that it took up. Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: February 25, 2013 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5630 - Release Date: 02/25/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Wow I would like to see that in a how to guide or video. On 2/25/13, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Rich -- I had a nylon webbing strap with D-rings at each end made up to wrap around the furled genny; I clip the tack of the spinnaker to that, then run a line from there UNDER my spare bow roller and back to a cleat (to adjust the height of the tack). The head of the spin goes to the spin halyard, and a single sheet aft through a block on a padeye on the side deck, to the primary winch. This is with a symmetrical spin that the previous owner left for me; it's pretty used up, but still enough life left to get the boat moving in light air. Fred Street -- MinneapolisS/VOceanis(1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI:^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:Yup. Seems that flying a chute single handed around here is a bit dicey, given the local sea breeze that kicks in after lunch most days. I remember some nicely burned fingers one day a few years back. Thanks guys. Rich KnowlesIndigo. LF38HalifaxOn 2013-02-25, at 10:56, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote:RichI have done that with my triradial spinnaker several times...I use a tackline outside the bow pulpit from the sail through the snap shackle on thebow to a cleat on deck. Let the tack of the sail fly out in front about 4-5feet from the snap shackle on that line. Works nice off the wind in lightstuff. Release the tack line before the halyard when dowsing. Cleat thespin halyard from a cabin top winch near the base of the mast...then it'spossible to do alone in light air but it's a handful and it's a real PITA ifthe wind freshens...I have only done it on a very long light air run. Istarted a long light air run from Crescent Beach to Lunenburg one nice warmAugust fore noon and all was fine and beautiful for several hours up alongthe coast and then when approaching Cross Island the wind began to buildand move forward...what a job I had then, it might have been easier to falloff and head to Halifax rather than try to get that thing down...but I gotit down, lots of flapping and dragging behind in the water...I worked damnhard getting that sail down and on board alone while Rosalie held tight tothe wheel. I don't carry the spinnaker much anymore and she is very happyfor that and fortunately I have found other things that occupy the spacebelow decks that it took up.___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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The best bet is to turn dead downwind--even if it's the wrong direction-- and let the tack line or afterguy out and pull in the sheet so you blanket the kite with the main. Gather the clews together so the kite becomes something of a tube. Then just take it down along the back side of the main with no drama. Once it's bagged, stroll aft nonchalantly and come back up to course. Works like a charm and fools your crew/mate into thinking you know what you're doing. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Wow I would like to see that in a how to guide or video. On 2/25/13, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Joe, am I reading your note correctly? It says to me that you are flying your symmetrical tacked down as an asymmetrical with no pole. ?? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:18, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Since you put cruising in the title, think about an asym. I fly my chute as an asym way more often then I use the pole. With just me, the wife, and kid aboard it is less work and WAY easier to gybe. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wagner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 11:29, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Rich -- I had a nylon webbing strap with D-rings at each end made up to wrap around the furled genny; I clip the tack of the spinnaker to that, then run a line from there UNDER my spare bow roller and back to a cleat (to adjust the height of the tack). The head of the spin goes to the spin halyard, and a single sheet aft through a block on a padeye on the side deck, to the primary winch. This is with a symmetrical spin that the previous owner left for me; it's pretty used up, but still enough life left to get the boat moving in light air. LF38 Oceanis 1b.jpg Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Yup. Seems that flying a chute single handed around here is a bit dicey, given the local sea breeze that kicks in after lunch most days. I remember some nicely burned fingers one day a few years back. Thanks guys. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-25, at 10:56, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: Rich I have done that with my triradial spinnaker several times...I use a tack line outside the bow pulpit from the sail through the snap shackle on the bow to a cleat on deck. Let the tack of the sail fly out in front about 4-5 feet from the snap shackle on that line. Works nice off the wind in light stuff. Release the tack line before the halyard when dowsing. Cleat the spin halyard from a cabin top winch near the base of the mast...then it's possible to do alone in light air but it's a handful and it's a real PITA if the wind freshens...I have only done it on a very long light air run. I started a long light air run from Crescent Beach to Lunenburg one nice warm August fore noon and all was fine and beautiful for several hours up along the coast and then when approaching Cross Island the wind began to build and move forward...what a job I had then, it might have been easier to fall off and head to Halifax rather than try to get that thing down...but I got it down, lots of flapping and dragging behind in the water...I worked damn hard getting that sail down and on board alone while Rosalie held tight to the wheel. I don't carry the spinnaker much anymore and she is very happy for that and fortunately I have found other things that occupy the space below decks that it took up. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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+1 on what Joe Della Barba said. Add a sock to it and you are set. Marek in Ottawa___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thinking of getting a 35' x 18' Symmetrical spinnaker for a CC 29 Mk 1 Thoughts...Comments?? Paul N. Wagner s/v Rum-Line 1977 CC 29 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
