Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

I have problems backing out of my slip into a very narrow fairway. I have a bow 
in Port tie. Backing out I have to pull forward past my slip, back into my slip 
using the port prop walk. Then pull out forward. Find it is much easier to just 
back in to begin with. Luckily I have a bunch of boat houses blocking most of 
the wind. DougDoug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LH39Port Orchard YC wa.
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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

The original problem reported was the Newport 41's stern wants to go to 
starboard when the skipper wants it to go to Port.
If the prop is indeed Right Handed, the stern should walk to port when you give 
it a short burst of throttle in reverse. Curious why that is not happening for 
you. Is the prop shaft offset or on centerline?

One trick I learned when maneuvering in tight spots is never leave the shifter 
in gear. Steer with rudder. I maneuver my 36 footer with short bursts of power 
and shift into neutral while the boat coasts in and out of the slip, so I have 
little propwalk.

I would encourage the skipper to turn his wheel to port before backing and once 
he has docklines off, get the boat moving back using short bursts of power. The 
keel should follow the rudder, the bow follows the keel. You can practice how 
much throttle to use when you get away from the docks and traffic, somewhere 
safe like next to a buoy as a reference.

> On January 24, 2019 at 5:39 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> On my 34 I found I have a lot of prop walk in reverse (worse than other 
> boats I have helmed - probably due to the two blade folding prop). I had a 
> slip last summer that only made sense to go in forward (we only have a gate 
> on starboard and the finger to starboard). I tried a strategy that was 
> discussed on the list last summer and found that it worked really well for me 
> because I could get the boat moving backwards and get steerage before putting 
> it in reverse:
> 
> 1) take a long spring line from the bow and loop it around a dock cleat 
> near the stern and take it back up on deck to my primary winch and cleat it.
> 2) Put the engine in gear forward and adjust the helm to hold the bow in 
> place and remove all other dock lines (the engine and spring line hold the 
> boat in place).
> 3) With all crew on board, put engine in neutral, center the helm, and 
> start pulling the spring line in the cockpit (around the winch). This gets 
> the boat moving backwards. Keep pulling until the cleat on the dock is even 
> with the winch and then flip the line off the cleat.
> 4) once the line is off the cleat with the boat already moving back I can 
> put her in reverse and accelerate backwards.
> This works for single handing and with a crew managing the spring line - 
> avoids having an inexperienced crew trying to jump on board after the boat is 
> moving.
> 
> Having the boat moving so the rudder is working as a foil before putting 
> it in reverse was the key to avoiding the stern going sideways into my 
> neighbor rather than backwards.
> 
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper, 1981 C&C34
> Malden MA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

On my 34 I found I have a lot of prop walk in reverse (worse than other boats I 
have helmed - probably due to the two blade folding prop).  I had a slip last 
summer that only made sense to go in forward (we only have a gate on starboard 
and the finger to starboard).  I tried a strategy that was discussed on the 
list last summer and found that it worked really well for me because I could 
get the boat moving backwards and get steerage before putting it in reverse:

1) take a long spring line from the bow and loop it around a dock cleat near 
the stern and take it back up on deck to my primary winch and cleat it. 
2) Put the engine in gear forward and adjust the helm to hold the bow in place 
and remove all other dock lines (the engine and spring line hold the boat in 
place).  
3) With all crew on board, put engine in neutral, center the helm, and start 
pulling the spring line in the cockpit (around the winch).  This gets the boat 
moving backwards.  Keep pulling until the cleat on the dock is even with the 
winch and then flip the line off the cleat.
4) once the line is off the cleat with the boat already moving back I can put 
her in reverse and accelerate backwards.
This works for single handing and with a crew managing the spring line - avoids 
having an inexperienced crew trying to jump on board after the boat is moving.

Having the boat moving so the rudder is working as a foil before putting it in 
reverse was the key to avoiding the stern going sideways into my neighbor 
rather than backwards.

Nathan Post
S/V Wisper, 1981 C&C34
Malden MA


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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Mark Anthony Watson via CnC-List]

Wow


I love that - that is most the time that I have crew however Yes I 
single hand a lot also and have some deft dancing to make it work.  The 
crazy this is that  it does not do it all the time.  It is tidal and the 
other thing might be that I need to increase my speed to account for the


direction and speed of the current ...


Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson

Tartan 41 "Trinity"

 


On 1/24/2019 1:21 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:

Mark:

You said " my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the wrong 
way."  Seems you are having more of an issue with a cross wind blowing 
your bow to port (I am assuming bow in, starboard dock?) shifting 
stern to port.


A club mate here has a 40' some boat with the same issue with his slip 
(bow in, starboard slip)what he did was run a line on the slip 
between the two far end dock cleatson the line was a block 
attached to 8 or 10 feet on line,  When he leaves the dock, usual his 
wife stands on the bow with the line in her hand and as he backs out, 
she holds the line with just the right tension to keep the bow 
parallel, the block runs down the line, and she walks back the deck 
with the line until she longer needs itthrows it on the dock.


But this only works if you have a crew mate.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.




Ladies and sea dogs,

Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow 
even in little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should 
prop walk to port.


I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to 
steer my stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to 
starboard swinging me the wrong way.


Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put 
full rudder


Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option

Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising 
the bow to starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and 
pulling.


--


Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson

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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Can you come in stern to? 
Prop walk, etc. is exacerbated when moving slowly in forward or reverse. 
If there is open water near your slip, get going with rudder control in 
reverse, gird your loins, tell yourself you can do it and with judicious use of 
throttle, neutral and reverse drive your stern into the slip in one fell swoop! 
When, not if, you misjudge the approach, put her in forward, go back to open 
water and repeat.
This puts you and the stern well into the slip where you can more easily reach 
dock lines AND allows you to stop the boat using forward gear—for which it was 
designed.
Once one gets used to driving with the wheel and controls at their back, it 
gets easier.Plus leaving the slip in forward reduces any prop walk especially 
with some way on—not for the faint of heart but once your speed in forward or 
reverse allows the rudder to control your boat’s destiny, you can forget about 
prop walk!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36XL/kcb

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  Ladies and sea dogs, Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I 
lose the bow even in little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should 
prop walk to port.  
  I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to steer my 
stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the 
wrong way.
   Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full 
rudder 
  
  Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option 
  Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the bow to 
starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.
  -- 
 

  
 Best regards
 
 Mark Anthony Watson
 
 "A watch may stop however time goes on, don't waste time on bad watches" 
 
 Watson & Son
 Buyers-Appraisers of Jewelry & Timepieces
 210 Post Street, Suite 502
 San Francisco, CA 94108
 USA
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Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[robert via CnC-List]

Mark:

You said " my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the wrong 
way."  Seems you are having more of an issue with a cross wind blowing 
your bow to port (I am assuming bow in, starboard dock?) shifting stern 
to port.


A club mate here has a 40' some boat with the same issue with his slip 
(bow in, starboard slip)what he did was run a line on the slip 
between the two far end dock cleatson the line was a block attached 
to 8 or 10 feet on line,  When he leaves the dock, usual his wife stands 
on the bow with the line in her hand and as he backs out, she holds the 
line with just the right tension to keep the bow parallel, the block 
runs down the line, and she walks back the deck with the line until she 
longer needs itthrows it on the dock.


But this only works if you have a crew mate.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.




Ladies and sea dogs,

Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow 
even in little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop 
walk to port.


I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to 
steer my stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard 
swinging me the wrong way.


Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full 
rudder


Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option

Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the 
bow to starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.


--


Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson

"A watch may stop however time goes on, don't waste time on bad watches"

Watson & Son
Buyers-Appraisers of Jewelry & Timepieces
210 Post Street, Suite 502
San Francisco, CA 94108
USA
P: 1-415-986-3303
E: m...@watsonandson.com 
WWW.watsonandson.com 

 




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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

What Andy said.

Start with a good short thrust of power in reverse (rudder amidships) to gain 
some sternway and switch to neutral (you have some speed now and no prop walk). 
use your rudder to steer your boat. The prop walk should actually help you to 
turn in the desired direction.

The cross wind is always an issue, but you should be able to control it. The 
faster you go, the better control of the direction you have.

good luck

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

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When I upgraded the engine on my 40 I increased the prop pitch, which made her 
pull harder to port in reverse. What I would do is get some sternway on and 
then put the engine in neutral and I could steer just fine. I wouldn't worry 
about having the helm hard over. See if it works, there's certainly no harm in 
it.
It may not be so easy on the Newport 41 as the 40 has a huge rudder, making her 
a dream to handle, even at slow speeds. I did lose the bow at low speeds coming 
into the dock across the wind, thanks to all the windage from the furled 
headsail.

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Ladies and sea dogs,

Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow even in 
little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop walk to port.

I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to steer my 
stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the 
wrong way.

Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full rudder



Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option



Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the bow to 
starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.

--



Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson
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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Can you come in stern to? 
Prop walk, etc. is exacerbated when moving slowly in forward or reverse. 
If there is open water near your slip, get going with rudder control in 
reverse, gird your loins, tell yourself you can do it and with judicious use of 
throttle, neutral and reverse drive your stern into the slip in one fell swoop! 
When, not if, you misjudge the approach, put her in forward, go back to open 
water and repeat.
This puts you and the stern well into the slip where you can more easily reach 
dock lines AND allows you to stop the boat using forward gear—for which it was 
designed.
Once one gets used to driving with the wheel and controls at their back, it 
gets easier.Plus leaving the slip in forward reduces any prop walk especially 
with some way on—not for the faint of heart but once your speed in forward or 
reverse allows the rudder to control your boat’s destiny, you can forget about 
prop walk!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36XL/kcb

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Ladies and sea dogs,
 
Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow even in 
little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop walk to port.  
 
 
I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to steer my 
stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the 
wrong way.
 
 
 Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full rudder 
 
 

 
 
Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option
 

 
 
Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the bow to 
starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.
 
 -- 
 


 
 
 Best regards
 
 Mark Anthony Watson
 
 "A watch may stop however time goes on, don't waste time on bad watches" 
 
 Watson & Son
 Buyers-Appraisers of Jewelry & Timepieces
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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Mark

Another suggestion might be to back into dock stern first and then drive out of 
slip in forward.  You can have your boat moving well in reverse when you are 
docking which will give you steerage for docking.  Throw into forward to stop.  
When you leave the slip to go sailing you will be in forward and have a ton of 
steerage.

Of course if it is too narrow a channel you may not have the required room to 
come out in forward….

Mike
Persistence
Halifax
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Ladies and sea dogs,

Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow even in 
little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop walk to port.

I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to steer my 
stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard swinging me the 
wrong way.

Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full rudder



Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option



Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the bow to 
starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.
--



Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson
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Re: Stus-List Reversing my newport 41 Mk1 1977 Trinity

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

When I upgraded the engine on my 40 I increased the prop pitch, which made
her pull harder to port in reverse. What I would do is get some sternway on
and then put the engine in neutral and I could steer just fine. I wouldn't
worry about having the helm hard over. See if it works, there's certainly
no harm in it.
It may not be so easy on the Newport 41 as the 40 has a huge rudder, making
her a dream to handle, even at slow speeds. I did lose the bow at low
speeds coming into the dock across the wind, thanks to all the windage from
the furled headsail.

Andy

www.burtonsailing.com

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:02 PM Mark Anthony Watson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ladies and sea dogs,
>
> Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow even
> in little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop walk to
> port.
>
> I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to steer
> my stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard swinging
> me the wrong way.
>
> Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full
> rudder
>
>
> Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option
>
>
> Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the bow
> to starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.
> --
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Mark Anthony Watson
>
> "A watch may stop however time goes on, don't waste time on bad watches"
>
> Watson & Son
> Buyers-Appraisers of Jewelry & Timepieces
> 210 Post Street, Suite 502
> San Francisco, CA 94108
> USA
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[Mark Anthony Watson via CnC-List]

Ladies and sea dogs,

Just when I think I have the reversing thing nailed,  I lose the bow 
even in little to no wind.  I have a right handed prop and should prop 
walk to port.


I have to reverse out of my slip into a narrow channel attempting to 
steer my stern to port.  Often enough my stern still goes to starboard 
swinging me the wrong way.


Should I pull out of dock faster ...???   I know I should not put full 
rudder



Early reviews of my boat suggest avoiding reverse - not an option


Anny help would be a delight otherwise I have to continue bruising the 
bow to starboard and the stern to port with boat hook pushing and pulling.


--



Best regards

Mark Anthony Watson

"A watch may stop however time goes on, don't waste time on bad watches"

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