Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Most all of our races in the mid-Chesapeake area are PHRF TOD. 

 

Gary

St. Michaels MD

 

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Shelquist via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

 

All -

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'm in a J30 one design fleet in Annapolis, but there are also PHRF classes
in Annapolis and West River.  Not sure of the details.

The Cruiser class has been switching to ORC for weekend races.  While I
suspect most C&Cs are in the database, a Hylas 44 was not.

Joel

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On the Hudson River, we use ToT at the club level and ToD for interclub
> regattas.
>
> The rationale for ToT at the club level is roughly:
>
> 1. The RC doesn't need to know the exact length of the course. While we
> race around fixed marks, the RC boat will move to give us the best
> approximate W/L course. This eliminates need to know the exact length of
> the course.
> 2. While we have 20+ boats split over 2 fleets (spin/non spin) the PHRF
> range is 57 - 261. ToT is said to give the slower boats a better chance.
>
> Not sure why we still use ToD at the interclub level.
>
> We use the default A/B values.
>
> Advantages for PHRF vs other systems is that it is cheap and easy to
> administer. While overall numbers for PHRF racing may be down, there is yet
> to really be another handicapping system that has taken hold and can work
> easily with local admin. A couple years ago there was a big push for IRC by
> making it cheaper and easier to apply for an un-endorsed cert, but IRC
> seems all but dead. I got an email from US Sailing the other day pushing
> ORC pushing ORC club. But it is fighting the installed base of local YRAs
> in the US that issue thousands of PHRF certificates each year.
>
> A PHRF application is really pretty easy to fill out for even a novice
> sailor vs the measurement requirements for other systems. Also the money
> and administration for an ORC certificate is going to US Sailing vs. your
> local YRA who more directly support racing in your area. Full disclosure I
> am a member of our local YRA board.
>
> Eric
> C&C 34/36
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes. We switched to PHRF TOT from our former ASPN (also TOT) system in
>> 2009.  Atlantic Speed Potential Number was in fact our Time Correction
>> factor in percent.  It was simpler for the racers than PHRF but made a lot
>> more work rating existing boats that came from other areas and already had
>> an established PHRF number.
>>
>>
>>
>> As some have said PHRF is not always fair.  But short of measuring every
>> single boat (ex ORR) and having different numbers for each wind and sea
>> state there is not really anything that is any better.  One Design is
>> fairer except I doubt everyone want the same thing from a boat so we all
>> but something different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
>> Heaton via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2016 9:03 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list
>> *Cc:* Ken Heaton
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems
>>
>>
>>
>> We use Time on Time PHRF here in Nova Scotia.  We have our handicaps set
>> by Sail Nova Scotia and use A=695 and B=525
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
>> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
>> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
>> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 July 2016 at 16:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> All –
>>
>> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

On the Hudson River, we use ToT at the club level and ToD for interclub
regattas.

The rationale for ToT at the club level is roughly:

1. The RC doesn't need to know the exact length of the course. While we
race around fixed marks, the RC boat will move to give us the best
approximate W/L course. This eliminates need to know the exact length of
the course.
2. While we have 20+ boats split over 2 fleets (spin/non spin) the PHRF
range is 57 - 261. ToT is said to give the slower boats a better chance.

Not sure why we still use ToD at the interclub level.

We use the default A/B values.

Advantages for PHRF vs other systems is that it is cheap and easy to
administer. While overall numbers for PHRF racing may be down, there is yet
to really be another handicapping system that has taken hold and can work
easily with local admin. A couple years ago there was a big push for IRC by
making it cheaper and easier to apply for an un-endorsed cert, but IRC
seems all but dead. I got an email from US Sailing the other day pushing
ORC pushing ORC club. But it is fighting the installed base of local YRAs
in the US that issue thousands of PHRF certificates each year.

A PHRF application is really pretty easy to fill out for even a novice
sailor vs the measurement requirements for other systems. Also the money
and administration for an ORC certificate is going to US Sailing vs. your
local YRA who more directly support racing in your area. Full disclosure I
am a member of our local YRA board.

Eric
C&C 34/36


On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes. We switched to PHRF TOT from our former ASPN (also TOT) system in
> 2009.  Atlantic Speed Potential Number was in fact our Time Correction
> factor in percent.  It was simpler for the racers than PHRF but made a lot
> more work rating existing boats that came from other areas and already had
> an established PHRF number.
>
>
>
> As some have said PHRF is not always fair.  But short of measuring every
> single boat (ex ORR) and having different numbers for each wind and sea
> state there is not really anything that is any better.  One Design is
> fairer except I doubt everyone want the same thing from a boat so we all
> but something different.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Heaton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2016 9:03 AM
> *To:* cnc-list
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems
>
>
>
> We use Time on Time PHRF here in Nova Scotia.  We have our handicaps set
> by Sail Nova Scotia and use A=695 and B=525
>
>
>
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
>
>
>
> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 July 2016 at 16:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All –
>
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Bill, 

I have not met a Mark DeDenisio in Colorado sailing circles or elsewhere. It 
looks like he's on the board of Dillon Yacht Club: 
http://www.dillonyachtclub.com/directors.html Dillon races on weekends, so we 
have some Dillon people crewing in our Wednesday night races at Chatfield ( 
http://www.csyc.org ). Maybe Mark does that at Cherry Creek ( 
http://www.denversailing.org ). 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Bill Coleman"  
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:15:38 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 



Randy, 

I have a childhood friend who has been in the Denver area for some time. He 
sails, but he might out of Dillon, even tho he is in Southern Denver. 

Mark DeDenisio, do you know of him? He just bought a Freedom 30 which he has in 
Oriental, NC which he may retire to in a few years. 




Bill Coleman 

C&C 39 Erie, PA 





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:42 PM 
To: Edd Schillay 
Cc: RANDY; cnc-list 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 





Hi Edd, 





Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :) Have a look at my photo album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see 
the lake I sail on. But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we 
can :) 





There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at 
Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake. The racing 
at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty 
violent). The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few 
suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor 
and population base. 





All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's 
keelboat series by year since 2012. We had 37 boats in 2012, and have 
alternated between 31 and 25 ever since. So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. 
Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other 
things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more. We've had 
good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group. Of course we get a 
variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people 
interested in sailing around here. 





Cheers, 


Randy 



- Original Message -



From: "Edd Schillay"  
To: "RANDY"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 





Randy, 





By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what 
things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in 
Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. 





In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com . But 
there’s been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around 
the clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year 
because of too few entries. 





It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just 
cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time 
with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a 
challenge too. 



All the best, 





Edd 








Edd M. Schillay 


Starship Enterprise 


C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 


City Island, NY 


Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






















On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > wrote: 





"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 





I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 





Cheers, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 



- Original Message -



From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 





Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 





The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 





One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see

Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Yes. We switched to PHRF TOT from our former ASPN (also TOT) system in 2009.  
Atlantic Speed Potential Number was in fact our Time Correction factor in 
percent.  It was simpler for the racers than PHRF but made a lot more work 
rating existing boats that came from other areas and already had an established 
PHRF number.

As some have said PHRF is not always fair.  But short of measuring every single 
boat (ex ORR) and having different numbers for each wind and sea state there is 
not really anything that is any better.  One Design is fairer except I doubt 
everyone want the same thing from a boat so we all but something different.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:03 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

We use Time on Time PHRF here in Nova Scotia.  We have our handicaps set by 
Sail Nova Scotia and use A=695 and B=525

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/


On 14 July 2016 at 16:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
All –
For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

Thanks,



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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Randy, 

I have a childhood friend who has been in the Denver area for some time. He 
sails, but he might out of Dillon, even tho he is in Southern Denver.

Mark DeDenisio, do you know of him? He just bought a Freedom 30 which he has in 
Oriental, NC which he may retire to in a few years.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:42 PM
To: Edd Schillay
Cc: RANDY; cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

Hi Edd,

 

Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :)  Have a look at my photo album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see 
the lake I sail on.  But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we 
can :)

 

There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at 
Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake.  The racing 
at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty 
violent).  The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few 
suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor 
and population base.

 

All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's 
keelboat series by year since 2012.  We had 37 boats in 2012, and have 
alternated between 31 and 25 ever since.  So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. 
 Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other 
things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more.  We've had 
good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group.  Of course we get 
a variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people 
interested in sailing around here.

 

Cheers,

Randy

 

  _  

From: "Edd Schillay" 
To: "RANDY" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

Randy,

 

By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what 
things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in 
Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. 

 

In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com. But there’s 
been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around the 
clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year because 
of too few entries. 

 

It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just 
cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time 
with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a 
challenge too. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>  Enterprise's Captain's Log

 

 

 






 

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY  wrote:

 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere".  Edd where can I find published data on 
that?

 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year.  I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012.  We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years.  We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 


  _  


From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 

 

The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 

 

One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see 
the decline. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>  Enterprise's Captain's Log

 






 

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wrote:

 


 
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

We use Time on Time PHRF here in Nova Scotia.  We have our handicaps set by
Sail Nova Scotia and use A=695 and B=525

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/


On 14 July 2016 at 16:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  wrote:

> All –
>
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[RANDY via CnC-List]

PHRF TOT at my club in Colorado. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Pete Shelquist"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:29:10 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems 



All – 

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other? TOT vs TOD? 



Thanks, 















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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Yeah, Dillon is a hot scene. Last year 36 one-design boats and 22 PHRF boats: 
http://dillonyachtclub.com/results.html 

But it's a violent place to sail. Two years ago at the Buccaneer 18 national 
championships a microburst knocked down the whole fleet, breaking masts and 
requiring rescues, etc: 
http://www.summitdaily.com/news/12521585-113/dillon-lake-boats-lipsher 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Bill Coleman"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:50:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 



Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it doesn’t 
look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina . Even more surprised 
to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet. And I was stunned to see racing, and 8 nice 
Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on Dillon Reservoir last month. 
Near the Continental Divide! 




Bill Coleman 

C&C 39 Erie, PA 





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:59 AM 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 





"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 





I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 





Cheers, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Michael. 

There's probably some truth to the complaint that PHRF handicaps are not fair 
(in my RSA I only get +6 for a two-blade fixed prop, and I think a folding prop 
would make me more that six seconds per nautical mile faster). But I don't 
think anyone has quit my club over an unfair PHRF rating :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:15:52 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

This is a quote from the USSailing "History of US PHRF Affiliated Handicaps 
2016" document. 
USSailing may have some data but from a quick search I did not see a summary. 

PHRF racing participation is declining across the country. While there are many 
factors that 
have caused this decrease in participation, one of the recurring complaints 
voiced by racers and 
race organizers alike is that PHRF handicaps are not always fair. 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C&C 30-1 



Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:58:43 + (UTC) 
From: RANDY  
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"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Edd, 

Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :) Have a look at my photo album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see 
the lake I sail on. But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we 
can :) 

There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at 
Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake. The racing 
at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty 
violent). The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few 
suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor 
and population base. 

All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's 
keelboat series by year since 2012. We had 37 boats in 2012, and have 
alternated between 31 and 25 ever since. So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. 
Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other 
things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more. We've had 
good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group. Of course we get a 
variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people 
interested in sailing around here. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Edd Schillay"  
To: "RANDY"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Randy, 

By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what 
things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in 
Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. 

In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com . But 
there’s been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around 
the clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year 
because of too few entries. 

It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just 
cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time 
with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a 
challenge too. 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > wrote: 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 

The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 

One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see 
the decline. 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

For us along the upper Gulf Coast, PHRF TOT is used as the racing standard
but some clubs still offer Portsmouth TOD classes as well.

Tracy Hirsh

*Ogopogo*
1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope, AL
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

phrf tot here in the STL midwest.Ron Wild CheriC&C 30-1STL


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Ian Matthew via CnC-List]

We use PHRF TOT all the time at our YC. A=650, B=550

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento". C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay



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Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

We use all PHRF. 

Line starts on Wed nights and mix of line starts / pursuit starts for my 
club's races

(And we kicked booty / won last night.. ) 

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier 



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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:29:10 -0500
From: "Pete Shelquist" 
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All -

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

 

Thanks,


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

All PHRF racing on the Pamlico Sound in NC use PHRF with TOT.
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom 
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
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All –
For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
 
Thanks,
 


 


 


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

My Friday series uses PHRF TOT, switched from TOD a couple years ago.

Sam
35-3 Scoundrel (f/k/a Spanish Dancer)
SF

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We use PHRF and Time on Time.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All –
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

We use PHRF and Time on Time. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All –
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

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All -

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

 

Thanks,

 



 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - Colorado racing

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it
> doesn’t look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina .  Even
> more surprised to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet.  And I was stunned to see
> racing,  and  8 *nice* Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on
> Dillon Reservoir last month. Near the Continental Divide!



There is a surprising amount of sailboat racing in Colorado.  The Dillon
Yacht Club is active during the summer with lots of events.
http://www.dillonyachtclub.com/
It's the highest elevation yacht club in the US.  It's always closed for
the season when I'm out that way skiing but there are lots of boats on the
hard at the club.

Some years back, I was contracted to go get a Wavelength 24 and bring it
back to Louisiana.  It had been raced extensively on Dillon Lake and Carter
Reservoir outside Boulder.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it doesn’t 
look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina .  Even more 
surprised to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet.  And I was stunned to see racing,  
and  8 nice Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on Dillon Reservoir 
last month. Near the Continental Divide!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:59 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: RANDY
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere".  Edd where can I find published data on 
that?

 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year.  I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012.  We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years.  We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

This is a quote from the USSailing "History of US PHRF Affiliated Handicaps 
2016" document.
USSailing may have some data but from a quick search I did not see a summary.

PHRF racing participation is declining across the country. While there are many 
factors that
have caused this decrease in participation, one of the recurring complaints 
voiced by racers and
race organizers alike is that PHRF handicaps are not always fair.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:58:43 + (UTC) 
From: RANDY  
To: cnc-list  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 
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"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that?  
 
I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year.  
 
Cheers,  
Randy Stafford  
S/V Grenadine  
C&C 30-1 #7  
Ken Caryl, CO  
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I've been crewing on an Abbott 33 on Tuesday nights for 4 or 5 years now.
Really enjoy it, for sure. Father/son team so the dynamic can be pretty
entertaining some days.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[tom via CnC-List]

Constantly, every Wednesday and as many weekends as possible.
Sometimes tough as we find six crew is what we need in a breeze.
We rate 162 here as we only use a 135% on a furler.
Tom Oryniak
33-1 "Carry On"
New Jersey

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night?
>
>
> Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it
> every Wednesday in our club"
>
> I do too.
>
> We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of
> the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors..
>
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
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[RANDY via CnC-List]

"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Edd Schillay"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 

The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 

One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see 
the decline. 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
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http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/07/12/summer-tradition-still-going-strong/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016&utm_content=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016+CID_9b7e47dad615547db1dfe51d875d17cd&utm_source=Email%20Newsletter&utm_term=Summer%20Tradition%20Still%20Going%20Strong
 


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 

The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 

One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see 
the decline. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
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> 
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Beautiful boat; and it's the proper color as I might have mentioned 
before.RonWild Cheri (usually called wild cherry)C&C 30-1STL


  From: RANDY via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY ; Jean-Francois J Rivard 

 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
   
Compared to all the long-time veterans on this list, this is only my fourth 
year at it (Wednesday night racing).  For three years before buying my 30-1 
this year, I crewed on OPBs - Merit 25s, J/22s, Capri 22s as trimmer, helmsman, 
and sometimes foredeck.
And Chuck, you sly dog.  You never let on that you race with a guy named Rob 
Ball.  I've got one of his drawings hanging as art in the cabin of my boat, 
titled "Sail Plan - 24'9" LWL Auxiliary Sloop for C&C Yachts", dated December 
22, 1970.  If he wants to see photos of one of his boats in Colorado, I just 
updated my album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTb294M1Z6N0UtV0U (incidentally you 
can see your favorite northeast corner of Chatfield dam in one of those 
pictures :)
Cheers,Randy
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To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:12:22 AM
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+1.   On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado.  April 20th through September 7th 
this year.  Plus various weekend races.  Plus a fall series consisting of five 
Sunday afternoons.
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every 
Wednesday in our club"

I do too.  

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of the 
week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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Stus-List Wednesday Night Racing

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

I have been racing Frolic II, 36' cb, on Wednesday nights for 10 years. We race 
using PHRF and I am the big boat in the fleet with a rating of 127, everyone 
gets time. It has been a lot of fun over the years and the crew and I look 
forward to it. Frolic is for sale as I am looking to downsize and continue 
racing, one of the boats that has caught my interest is a Harbor 25 - does 
anyone have any inside info on this boat?

Tom Vincent
Frolic II, C&C 36 cb
Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Whoops wrong link. Try 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "RANDY via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 
 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:17:08 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Compared to all the long-time veterans on this list, this is only my fourth 
year at it (Wednesday night racing). For three years before buying my 30-1 this 
year, I crewed on OPBs - Merit 25s, J/22s, Capri 22s as trimmer, helmsman, and 
sometimes foredeck. 

And Chuck, you sly dog. You never let on that you race with a guy named Rob 
Ball. I've got one of his drawings hanging as art in the cabin of my boat, 
titled "Sail Plan - 24'9" LWL Auxiliary Sloop for C&C Yachts", dated December 
22, 1970. If he wants to see photos of one of his boats in Colorado, I just 
updated my album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTb294M1Z6N0UtV0U (incidentally you 
can see your favorite northeast corner of Chatfield dam in one of those 
pictures :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "RANDY via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 
 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:12:22 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

+1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this 
year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday 
afternoons. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every 
Wednesday in our club" 

I do too. 

We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week 
and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Compared to all the long-time veterans on this list, this is only my fourth 
year at it (Wednesday night racing). For three years before buying my 30-1 this 
year, I crewed on OPBs - Merit 25s, J/22s, Capri 22s as trimmer, helmsman, and 
sometimes foredeck. 

And Chuck, you sly dog. You never let on that you race with a guy named Rob 
Ball. I've got one of his drawings hanging as art in the cabin of my boat, 
titled "Sail Plan - 24'9" LWL Auxiliary Sloop for C&C Yachts", dated December 
22, 1970. If he wants to see photos of one of his boats in Colorado, I just 
updated my album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTb294M1Z6N0UtV0U (incidentally you 
can see your favorite northeast corner of Chatfield dam in one of those 
pictures :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "RANDY via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 
 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:12:22 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

+1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this 
year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday 
afternoons. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every 
Wednesday in our club" 

I do too. 

We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week 
and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

I raced in a Wednesday fleet a few years ago but at this point Wednesday
has become my designated non-sailing day...  My race schedule is Tuesday
and Thursday nights in Vanguard 15 dinghies (Tuesdays are team
racing), Friday nights on an Islander 36 in a PHRF spinnaker fleet, and
occasional weekends on a J/105, a Santa Cruz 50, and anyone else who will
take me.  The V-15 is mine, the rest are OPBs.

I don't have any plans to seriously race my 35 since I live aboard and it's
not really set up to go fast, but I'm hoping at some point down the line to
enter it in something fun and casual with low expectations - probably once
I get it rigged to fly a spinnaker.

Sam
35-3 Scoundrel (f/k/a Spanish Dancer)
SF

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night?
>
>
>
> Started one night a week, either Tuesday in white sail or Wednesday
> in flying sail, in 2000. Sailed both nights staring 2004, then bought
> the boat in 2009. A couple of years ago the club offered a flying sail
> start on Tuesdays which I race in. So spinnaker twice a week.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night?  

Started one night a week, either Tuesday in white sail or Wednesday
in flying sail, in 2000. Sailed both nights staring 2004, then bought
the boat in 2009. A couple of years ago the club offered a flying sail
start on Tuesdays which I race in. So spinnaker twice a week.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

I've raced in the evening series on the Columbia since my early 20's.  I am
74 now.
In 1998 I  bought a Cal 20 with 2 long time sailing buddies and have raced
on Thursday evenings from spring through the summer in a fleet 10 to 15
Cals ever since.
In June I race my 44 in a Wednesday evening club series.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland, Or
On Jul 11, 2016 9:43 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Absolutely possible!  Two weeks ago in the Gulfport Pensacola Race we had
> a ~1 knot favorable current.  The wind was only 1-4 knots.  Our speed
> through the water was as low as 1.5 knots.  Had the current been the other
> way, we were prepared to anchor and wait for more wind.
>
> In years past, boats have anchored between Ship Island and Cat Island, MS
> about 10 miles from the race start, during light wind and unfavorable
> current.
>
> There is a feeder race for Gulfport Pensacola called Race to the Coast.  I
> believe it's the oldest yacht race, first raced on July 4, 1850.  This race
> passes through The Rigolets, the outlet for Lake Pontchartrain.  There can
> be 2-3 knots of current in there.  Anchoring is always a possibility.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That sounds like you could possibly win a race by anchoring!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Richard
>> N. Bush via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Richard N. Bush
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
>>
>>
>>
>> Like Bill, we've been racing for many years, we race on the Ohio River,
>> so we get short courses and strange layouts, the real fun is when a fully
>> loaded 1000 ft barge and towboat come through the middle of the fleet in
>> mid-start!
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

+1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this 
year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday 
afternoons. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every 
Wednesday in our club" 

I do too. 

We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week 
and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - anchoring during race

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We anchored in the Bay during the 2014 Annapolis Bermuda race.  Certainly
the low point of the trip!

Joel

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:42:10 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." 
>
> The Volvo race around the world guys also anchored on more than 1
> occasion..
>
> See here:
> http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/01/20/vor-when-anchoring-becomes-the-winning-move/
>
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
> To: CnClist 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - anchoring during race
> Message-ID:
>  otqoa7mpaenxeh9vz3cqzml...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Absolutely possible!  Two weeks ago in the Gulfport Pensacola Race we had a
> ~1 knot favorable current.  The wind was only 1-4 knots.  Our speed through
> the water was as low as 1.5 knots.  Had the current been the other way, we
> were prepared to anchor and wait for more wind.
>
> In years past, boats have anchored between Ship Island and Cat Island, MS
> about 10 miles from the race start, during light wind and unfavorable
> current.
>
> There is a feeder race for Gulfport Pensacola called Race to the Coast.  I
> believe it's the oldest yacht race, first raced on July 4, 1850.  This race
> passes through The Rigolets, the outlet for Lake Pontchartrain.  There can
> be 2-3 knots of current in there.  Anchoring is always a possibility.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> > That sounds like you could possibly win a race by anchoring
>
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Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - anchoring during race

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:42:10 -0500
From: "Dennis C." 

The Volvo race around the world guys also anchored on more than 1 
occasion..

See here: 
http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/01/20/vor-when-anchoring-becomes-the-winning-move/

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 




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Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - anchoring during race
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Absolutely possible!  Two weeks ago in the Gulfport Pensacola Race we had 
a
~1 knot favorable current.  The wind was only 1-4 knots.  Our speed 
through
the water was as low as 1.5 knots.  Had the current been the other way, we
were prepared to anchor and wait for more wind.

In years past, boats have anchored between Ship Island and Cat Island, MS
about 10 miles from the race start, during light wind and unfavorable
current.

There is a feeder race for Gulfport Pensacola called Race to the Coast.  I
believe it's the oldest yacht race, first raced on July 4, 1850.  This 
race
passes through The Rigolets, the outlet for Lake Pontchartrain.  There can
be 2-3 knots of current in there.  Anchoring is always a possibility.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That sounds like you could possibly win a race by anchoring

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - anchoring during race

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Absolutely possible!  Two weeks ago in the Gulfport Pensacola Race we had a
~1 knot favorable current.  The wind was only 1-4 knots.  Our speed through
the water was as low as 1.5 knots.  Had the current been the other way, we
were prepared to anchor and wait for more wind.

In years past, boats have anchored between Ship Island and Cat Island, MS
about 10 miles from the race start, during light wind and unfavorable
current.

There is a feeder race for Gulfport Pensacola called Race to the Coast.  I
believe it's the oldest yacht race, first raced on July 4, 1850.  This race
passes through The Rigolets, the outlet for Lake Pontchartrain.  There can
be 2-3 knots of current in there.  Anchoring is always a possibility.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That sounds like you could possibly win a race by anchoring!
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> N. Bush via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2016 9:25 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Richard N. Bush
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
>
>
>
> Like Bill, we've been racing for many years, we race on the Ohio River, so
> we get short courses and strange layouts, the real fun is when a fully
> loaded 1000 ft barge and towboat come through the middle of the fleet in
> mid-start!
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That sounds like you could possibly win a race by anchoring!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

Like Bill, we've been racing for many years, we race on the Ohio River, so we 
get short courses and strange layouts, the real fun is when a fully loaded 1000 
ft barge and towboat come through the middle of the fleet in mid-start!

 

Richard


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

We’ve been doing if for 18 years, the highlight of our week.

Wednesday nite JAM racing literally saved our fleet.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[David via CnC-List]

We raced round-the-bouys and Wednesday night for years on Corsair with my 
teenage son and an additional crew of 6...(We often saw Zoomer's stern)

Once my son started doing his own thing, I realized I was spending a lot of 
money and time, abusing my boat and was generally not having a good time 
anymore on hyperactive 1 mile W/L courses.  So I closed the Adult Day Camp.

So now its short-handed long distance racing with my son(s) when he/they can 
make it.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:27:33 +
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com
> 
> Currently crewing on a friend's C&C33-2 Wednesdays.  Early and late season we 
> race our own Frers 33 which is very similar
> 
> For past 5 years on Wednesdays raced on a C&C 115 Koobalibra which just today 
> was loaded on a trailer headed for California
> 
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Currently crewing on a friend's C&C33-2 Wednesdays.  Early and late season we 
race our own Frers 33 which is very similar

For past 5 years on Wednesdays raced on a C&C 115 Koobalibra which just today 
was loaded on a trailer headed for California

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I’ve been Wednesday-Night racing for well over 20 years on City Island, in the 
EBYRA series, which I was Commodore of for 13 years. 

I started on the Enterprise-A (1978 C&C 34), then on the Enterprise-B (1990 C&C 
37+). For the first year this year, I’m experiencing the joys and less hassles 
of OPBs — I’m crewing on a Catalina 34TM. After week one, they made me 
tactician and crew boss. I guess I know my stuff. Either that, or I have 
everyone fooled. 

I always enjoyed running my own boat wth my own crew, but I must say I’m very 
surprised at how much I’m enjoying the crew position on someone else’s boat — 
especially when I see lines fray, the whisker pole bend, and shackles that need 
replacing. I can almost hear my American Express card sigh relief. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







> On Jul 11, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Crew on an S2 9.1 Wednesdays, would like to be racing my own C&C but I think 
> it's more fun on OPBs. (And less hassle)
> Brad
> "Pulse" C&C 33 MkII
> Lake Huron
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[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Crew on an S2 9.1 Wednesdays, would like to be racing my own C&C but I think 
it's more fun on OPBs. (And less hassle)
Brad
"Pulse" C&C 33 MkII
Lake Huron
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I've been racing Wednesday nights at New Bedford YC since 2001.  First on
Bill Dingwell's C&C40 DK named "Zoomer" doing foredeck.  Raced my  25 Mk1 on
occasion, but had more fun and learned more on OPB (other peoples' boats).  

The C&C 40 was retired and sold (as was my 25) so I moved to a Wednesday
night one design fleet, thus no longer racing on a C&C.   However, I'm still
racing on a boat with a guy named Rob Ball (an Etchells), so  plenty of C&C
topics are discussed while sailing..

There are no plans to remove the dodger, bimini, and dinghy davits from the
Landfall to go buoy racing at this time...

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night?  


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every
Wednesday in our club"

I do too.  

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of the
week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Like Bill, we've been racing for many years, we race on the Ohio River, so we 
get short courses and strange layouts, the real fun is when a fully loaded 1000 
ft barge and towboat come through the middle of the fleet in mid-start!

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing



We’ve been doing if for 18 years, the highlight of ourweek.
Wednesday nite JAM racing literally saved our fleet.
 
Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA
 





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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

We've been doing if for 18 years, the highlight of our week.

Wednesday nite JAM racing literally saved our fleet.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every
Wednesday in our club"

I do too.  

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of the
week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

I race every Wednesday and some Saturdays


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 Original message 
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List  
Date: 2016-07-10  23:22  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard  
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race
every Wednesday night? 







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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I have crewed on Wednesdays and some Fridays for the last 5 years.  C&C 29,
J30, J33 Bene 40.7

Joel

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have for the last 20 years…. Am taking a small break this year (I share
> the 30-1 with the ex-admiral, and have been crewing on a J-24, J-80, but
> that one was sold – now I sub for the ex, and crew once in a while on a
> J-105). It does break up the week, even for this retiree.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Jean-Francois
> J Rivard via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:22 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jean-Francois J Rivard 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
>
>
>
> I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night?
>
>
> Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it
> every Wednesday in our club"
>
> I do too.
>
> We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of
> the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors..
>
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I have for the last 20 years.. Am taking a small break this year (I share
the 30-1 with the ex-admiral, and have been crewing on a J-24, J-80, but
that one was sold - now I sub for the ex, and crew once in a while on a
J-105). It does break up the week, even for this retiree.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every
Wednesday in our club"

I do too.  

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of the
week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

We race every Wed. Night for over 20 years and counting.last 12 yrs on C&C 
38 MKII
Ron C.
- Original Message -
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:22:14 - (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it 
every Wednesday in our club"

I do too. 

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of 
the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA






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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

I race wednesdays! But on a J24..does that count??

When i was racing vice-commodore i tried to change it to Mondays to help my 
travel schedule, but no one would go for it.

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii. 
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
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Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? 


Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it 
every Wednesday in our club"

I do too. 

We look forward to it all week :-)  It's a great break in the middle of 
the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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