Re: Stus-List outboard size

[svpegasus38]

I have a 9' Achilles rib wi a 15hp merc 2stroke. But it doesn't seem any to 
have any more power than the old 8hp mariner of the same vintage. Best part is 
both engines weigh the same. Garhauer motor crane to store moror on stern rail 
and spinaker halyard to store dinghy on fordeck. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.





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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Patrick Wesley via CnC-List]

If you're going to beach the dinghy and leave it unattended get an OB with a 
removable deadman switch. Patrick 

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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
>  
> We used a +- 2 hp on an 10” high pressure floor inflatable around the PNW for 
> years.  The ability to lift it on and off one handed was the best part.  With 
> two or three people onboard it was a bit slow for me.  Once, the 2hp outboard 
> was not able to pull a long stern tie line ashore without some rowing 
> assistance.  Up wind or up current was sometimes very slow.
>  
> Now we have a 6 hp 4 stroke. It is much heavier with the associated on/off 
> issues especially when anchored.  It was able to obtain good speeds but not 
> plane with 4 adults in the dinghy.  We used it for our trip around Vancouver 
> Island and the extra power was needed several times in higher wind or current 
> areas.  The lower fuel economy with the 6 hp made it necessary to monitor our 
> gasoline supplies closer than with the 2 hp.
>  
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle
> 
> 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Jones via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:32 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Michael Jones
> Subject: Stus-List outboard size
>  
> Ls and Gs
> 
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough 
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp 
> but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
> Victoria
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Re: Stus-List Outboard size

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

Mike,
I will echo the feedback below from Martin.
We had a Honda 2HP, bought expressly because it was light enough to easily lift 
on and off. However, it just was not powerful enough if we found ourselves in 
rough water / strong wind / current / exposed mooring.
I switched to a Tohatsu 6HP, and have been much happier with its ability to 
deal safely with difficult conditions.
I purchased a FORESPAR Motor Mate "outboard motor crane", that mounts on the 
pushpit. That makes it an easy process to lift the motor off the dinghy, and 
swing it around to fasten on the rail while underway. Much easier and safer 
than lifting the motor by hand - and better for my marriage.
Regards,
Damian Greene
1983 C 34 GHOSTBass Harbor, Maine 


On Oct 26, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
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 Mike,    
We used a +- 2 hp on an 10” high pressure floor inflatable around the PNW for 
years.  The ability to lift it on and off one handed was the best part.  With 
two or three people onboard it was a bit slow for me.  Once, the 2hp outboard 
was not able to pull a long stern tie line ashore without some rowing 
assistance.  Up wind or up current was sometimes very slow.    Now we have a 6 
hp 4 stroke. It is much heavier with the associated on/off issues especially 
when anchored.  It was able to obtain good speeds but not plane with 4 adults 
in the dinghy.  We used it for our trip around Vancouver Island and the extra 
power was needed several times in higher wind or current areas.  The lower fuel 
economy with the 6 hp made it necessary to monitor our gasoline supplies closer 
than with the 2 hp.    Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C 43 Seattle 
    From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Michael 
Jones via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Jones
Subject: Stus-List outboard size    Ls and Gs Can you help me? I have recently 
bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am looking at second hand outboard 
options. Can you advise me of adequate size required? Specifically I have seen 
a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to potter to the dock and back? The 
safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy. 
Thanks and regards Mike Jones Seanachai, 1981 C 34 Victoria

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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I have a 3.5 hp, 30 pound Tohatsu outboard which makes my portabote get 
up on plane quite easily.


Bill Bina

On 10/29/2015 8:59 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote:
I like lightweight more than dink speed and have been happy with a 27 
lb., 1.2 hp(!) Johnson/Evinrude 2-stroke, available used for ~$300 
here. It moves an inflatable WM dink carrying 2-3 people with dignity, 
not thrills. Being several decades past my twenties, I find 27 lbs a 
very attractive feature that drove my choice. I have not yet made the 
mistake of trying it in heavy seas or winds but I'm sure that will 
happen, and I will still be better off than previously (I've been 
rowing.).


Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix, Hudson, WI

Tartan 31
Siskiwit Bay
Lake Superior




On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:03 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> wrote:


You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the
lightest on the market I think and it will easily do the trick

Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, */Alianna/*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


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> wrote:

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as
tender and am looking at second hand outboard options. Can you
advise me of adequate size required? Specifically I have seen
a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to potter to the dock
and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C 34
Victoria

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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

I like lightweight more than dink speed and have been happy with a 27 lb.,
1.2 hp(!) Johnson/Evinrude 2-stroke, available used for ~$300 here. It
moves an inflatable WM dink carrying 2-3 people with dignity, not thrills.
Being several decades past my twenties, I find 27 lbs a very attractive
feature that drove my choice. I have not yet made the mistake of trying it
in heavy seas or winds but I'm sure that will happen, and I will still be
better off than previously (I've been rowing.).

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix, Hudson, WI

Tartan 31
Siskiwit Bay
Lake Superior





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> You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on
> the market I think and it will easily do the trick
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ls and Gs
>>
>> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and
>> am looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate
>> size required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be
>> enough to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says
>> up to 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>>
>> Mike Jones
>> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
>> Victoria
>>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

I have the little Suzuki 2.5. Good engine. 

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:03:26 -0300
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
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You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on the 
market I think and it will easily do the trick
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C 34
Victoria


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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You will like lightweight and the little Suzuki 2.5 hp is the lightest on
the market I think and it will easily do the trick

Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ls and Gs
>
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
> Victoria
>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

With the small and light mindset, does anyone have input on the small electric 
Torqeedos? They are a spendy.  

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:43 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size

 

IMHO there are two ways to go with an outboard:

Go big or go tiny.

I have a 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrude I really like. We can do 18-20 knots with 3-4 
people in the dinghy and we can two a tube with a kid or two at planning speeds.

If I were to have a dinghy that needed the engine removed to tow or put away, I 
would get the lightest engine I could find. You can scavenge Craigslist and 
sooner or later find a 2-3 HP two stroke that might weight 20-30 pounds. If you 
can’t plane anyway, no use wasting gas and engine weight with being close to 
planning vs. really not planning. I had a 2.5 HP Honda years ago that did fine 
for getting around at low speeds.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

Avon 340 RIB 

 

BTW – to the lister that was thinking about a 9.9 HP for the Bahamas. Don’t do 
it. I would really be looking for a 15 HP two-stroke instead. Same weight – or 
less – and vastly more speed with a load or in rough weather.

IMHO and YMMV

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size

 

The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but 
vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along nicely. I 
would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable well, just don't 
expect to plane.

 

Gary

- Original Message - 

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To: CnClist <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Cc: Dennis C. <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size

 

One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for dinner.  
During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back to our 
boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a struggle 
but the little Tohatsu did the job.

I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if I 
was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
would be fine.

The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead to 
row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria


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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2013/december/alternative-outboards.asp

Dennis C.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> With the small and light mindset, does anyone have input on the small
> electric Torqeedos? They are a spendy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 1:43 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size
>
>
>
> IMHO there are two ways to go with an outboard:
>
> Go big or go tiny.
>
> I have a 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrude I really like. We can do 18-20 knots with
> 3-4 people in the dinghy and we can two a tube with a kid or two at
> planning speeds.
>
> If I were to have a dinghy that needed the engine removed to tow or put
> away, I would get the lightest engine I could find. You can scavenge
> Craigslist and sooner or later find a 2-3 HP two stroke that might weight
> 20-30 pounds. If you can’t plane anyway, no use wasting gas and engine
> weight with being close to planning vs. really not planning. I had a 2.5 HP
> Honda years ago that did fine for getting around at low speeds.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
> Avon 340 RIB
>
>
>
> BTW – to the lister that was thinking about a 9.9 HP for the Bahamas.
> Don’t do it. I would really be looking for a 15 HP two-stroke instead. Same
> weight – or less – and vastly more speed with a load or in rough weather.
>
> IMHO and YMMV
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 1:28 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Gary Nylander
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size
>
>
>
> The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely,
> but vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along
> nicely. I would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable
> well, just don't expect to plane.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *To:* CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *Cc:* Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size
>
>
>
> One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for
> dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us
> back to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit
> of a struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.
>
> I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However,
> if I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a
> 2.2-2.5 hp would be fine.
>
> The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring
> instead to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Ls and Gs
>
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mike Jones
>
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
>
> Victoria
>
>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

I have a 4 stroke, 4 hp Yamaha. Great engine. Use it all winter for duck 
hunting. It will get my sneakboat on a plane and all summer on my soft bottom 
inflatable. The inflatable will plane with one person but not two. I can lift 
it from the dink to the pushpin rail by myself but it helps to be six foot six. 
Chris Price
Pradel
35 Mkl

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> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough 
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp 
> but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
> Victoria
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I’ll have to agree with go biggest or smallest opinion. Personally, I have an 
8’ inflatable and use a Honda 2hp that is perfect for my needs. For long trips, 
I would prefer a bigger engine but the little suits my usage very well. A note 
on Honda’s, the carb is much more sensitive to trash in the fuel than other 
brands and can be a pain in the butt. After several cleanings and rebuilds, I 
finally replaced the carb on mine and it has run perfectly for the past 1 1/2 
years. There’s something about the design of the honda carbs that seems to make 
them impossible to successfully clean or rebuild. YMMV, but I’m not a big fan 
of their products.
James
Delaney
C 38 Mk2
Oriental, NC


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Jones 
Subject: Stus-List outboard size

Ls and Gs


Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.


Thanks and regards


Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria




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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have looked at alternatives to gas and found that the energy density
and/or speed of refuel just wasn't there.  For me the biggest advantage to
a small OB is that it can be easily loaded and unloaded with no separate
gas tank.  Bigger ones are significantly more trouble to load/unload.  The
small ones have integrated fuel tanks and typically run for about and hour
at full load.  Once back at the boat refuelling is quick for either big or
small but an electric can take 15hrs.  Where is it getting it's charging
power from and how many Ahrs?

For me electric is out of the question.

Propane?  How do you tell how much tank you have left?  Are you stuck
carrying multiple 1lb tanks?

One gallon of pre-mixed fuel should last at least 4 hours of operation (~4
tank refills) in a 2-3 hp 2-stroke.  If you mix it with a synthetic 2
stroke oil like Amsoil you can mix it at 100:1 and have almost no smoke.
It's easier and faster than rowing but not exactly on plain.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

With the small and light mindset, does anyone have input on the small
electric Torqeedos? They are a spendy.







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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size



IMHO there are two ways to go with an outboard:

Go big or go tiny.

I have a 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrude I really like. We can do 18-20 knots with
3-4 people in the dinghy and we can two a tube with a kid or two at
planning speeds.

If I were to have a dinghy that needed the engine removed to tow or put
away, I would get the lightest engine I could find. You can scavenge
Craigslist and sooner or later find a 2-3 HP two stroke that might weight
20-30 pounds. If you can’t plane anyway, no use wasting gas and engine
weight with being close to planning vs. really not planning. I had a 2.5 HP
Honda years ago that did fine for getting around at low speeds.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

Avon 340 RIB



BTW – to the lister that was thinking about a 9.9 HP for the Bahamas. Don’t
do it. I would really be looking for a 15 HP two-stroke instead. Same
weight – or less – and vastly more speed with a load or in rough weather.

IMHO and YMMV



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<cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 1:28 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Gary Nylander
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size



The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but
vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along
nicely. I would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable
well, just don't expect to plane.



Gary

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*Cc:* Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List outboard size



One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for
dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us
back to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit
of a struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.

I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However,
if I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a
2.2-2.5 hp would be fine.

The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring
instead to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria


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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

An outboard motor lift makes lifting even a 15 HP a piece of cake!

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I have looked at alternatives to gas and found that the energy density and/or 
> speed of refuel just wasn't there.  For me the biggest advantage to a small 
> OB is that it can be easily loaded and unloaded with no separate gas tank.  
> Bigger ones are significantly more trouble to load/unload.  The small ones 
> have integrated fuel tanks and typically run for about and hour at full load. 
>  Once back at the boat refuelling is quick for either big or small but an 
> electric can take 15hrs.  Where is it getting it's charging power from and 
> how many Ahrs?
> 
> For me electric is out of the question.
> 
> Propane?  How do you tell how much tank you have left?  Are you stuck 
> carrying multiple 1lb tanks?
> 
> One gallon of pre-mixed fuel should last at least 4 hours of operation (~4 
> tank refills) in a 2-3 hp 2-stroke.  If you mix it with a synthetic 2 stroke 
> oil like Amsoil you can mix it at 100:1 and have almost no smoke.  It's 
> easier and faster than rowing but not exactly on plain.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> With the small and light mindset, does anyone have input on the small 
> electric Torqeedos? They are a spendy. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:43 PM
> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe
> Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
> 
>  
> 
> IMHO there are two ways to go with an outboard:
> 
> Go big or go tiny.
> 
> I have a 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrude I really like. We can do 18-20 knots with 
> 3-4 people in the dinghy and we can two a tube with a kid or two at planning 
> speeds.
> 
> If I were to have a dinghy that needed the engine removed to tow or put away, 
> I would get the lightest engine I could find. You can scavenge Craigslist and 
> sooner or later find a 2-3 HP two stroke that might weight 20-30 pounds. If 
> you can’t plane anyway, no use wasting gas and engine weight with being close 
> to planning vs. really not planning. I had a 2.5 HP Honda years ago that did 
> fine for getting around at low speeds.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> C 35 MK I
> 
> Avon 340 RIB
> 
>  
> 
> BTW – to the lister that was thinking about a 9.9 HP for the Bahamas. Don’t 
> do it. I would really be looking for a 15 HP two-stroke instead. Same weight 
> – or less – and vastly more speed with a load or in rough weather.
> 
> IMHO and YMMV
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Nylander via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:28 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Gary Nylander
> Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
> 
>  
> 
> The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but 
> vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along nicely. 
> I would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable well, just 
> don't expect to plane.
> 
>  
> 
> Gary
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
> 
> To: CnClist
> 
> Cc: Dennis C.
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
> 
>  
> 
> One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for 
> dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back 
> to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a 
> struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.
> 
> I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if 
> I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
> would be fine.
> 
> The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead 
> to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> 
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Ls and Gs
> 
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough 
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp 
> but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
> 
> Thanks and r

Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

We have 8' AB aluminum bottom with 5hp Merc 2stroke long shaft. Works great but 
won't plane with more than one aboard
Cheers
Rick 
Paige's 37+
Poulsbo, WA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but 
> vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along nicely. 
> I would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable well, just 
> don't expect to plane.
>  
> Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
> 
> One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for 
> dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back 
> to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a 
> struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.
> 
> I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if 
> I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
> would be fine.
> 
> The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead 
> to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Ls and Gs
>> 
>> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
>> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
>> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough 
>> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 
>> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Mike Jones
>> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
>> Victoria
>> 
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

IMHO there are two ways to go with an outboard:
Go big or go tiny.
I have a 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrude I really like. We can do 18-20 knots with 3-4 
people in the dinghy and we can two a tube with a kid or two at planning speeds.
If I were to have a dinghy that needed the engine removed to tow or put away, I 
would get the lightest engine I could find. You can scavenge Craigslist and 
sooner or later find a 2-3 HP two stroke that might weight 20-30 pounds. If you 
can’t plane anyway, no use wasting gas and engine weight with being close to 
planning vs. really not planning. I had a 2.5 HP Honda years ago that did fine 
for getting around at low speeds.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Avon 340 RIB

BTW – to the lister that was thinking about a 9.9 HP for the Bahamas. Don’t do 
it. I would really be looking for a 15 HP two-stroke instead. Same weight – or 
less – and vastly more speed with a load or in rough weather.
IMHO and YMMV

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size

The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but 
vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along nicely. I 
would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable well, just don't 
expect to plane.

Gary
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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: CnClist<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C.<mailto:capt...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size

One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for dinner.  
During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back to our 
boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a struggle 
but the little Tohatsu did the job.
I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if I 
was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
would be fine.
The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead to 
row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Ls and Gs
Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.
Thanks and regards
Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C 34
Victoria

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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Mike,

We used a +- 2 hp on an 10” high pressure floor inflatable around the PNW for 
years.  The ability to lift it on and off one handed was the best part.  With 
two or three people onboard it was a bit slow for me.  Once, the 2hp outboard 
was not able to pull a long stern tie line ashore without some rowing 
assistance.  Up wind or up current was sometimes very slow.

Now we have a 6 hp 4 stroke. It is much heavier with the associated on/off 
issues especially when anchored.  It was able to obtain good speeds but not 
plane with 4 adults in the dinghy.  We used it for our trip around Vancouver 
Island and the extra power was needed several times in higher wind or current 
areas.  The lower fuel economy with the 6 hp made it necessary to monitor our 
gasoline supplies closer than with the 2 hp.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Jones
Subject: Stus-List outboard size

Ls and Gs
Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.
Thanks and regards
Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C 34
Victoria
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I think the propane is a Lehr.  Luhrs made awful powerboats.

FWIW, Fawcetts in Annapolis a/k/a PYacht dropped them due to
service/reliablity issues.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I suggest the used route unless you plan to use the dinghy a lot.
>
> If you decide on new, I'd consider the propane powered Luhrs (sp?) at
> about $1000-light and no fuel hassles.
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: CNC CNC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 1:07 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size
>
> Pick up a used 2 stroke.  My 4hp Yamaha starts all the time and is much
> lighter than the comparable 4 stroke and powers the high pressure floored
> Avon just fine.I do own a 4 stroke 8hp, but she sits on the RIB and
> never moves.  Damn thing weighs a ton.  The RIB is great locally but needs
> the additional horsepower.
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> ------
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:32:01 -0700
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List outboard size
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: jones.mi...@gmail.com
>
> Ls and Gs
>
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
> Victoria
>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The J-80 I race on uses a Honda 2hp 4 stroke. Moves along quite nicely, but 
vibrates. The J-24 has a Tohatsu 3 hp two stroke and also moves along nicely. I 
would think anything 2 hp or more would move your inflatable well, just don't 
expect to plane.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
  To: CnClist 
  Cc: Dennis C. 
  Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size


  One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for 
dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back 
to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a 
struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.


  I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if 
I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
would be fine.


  The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead 
to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.


  Dennis C.

  Touche' 35-1 #83

  Mandeville, LA



  On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Ls and Gs


Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.


Thanks and regards


Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria


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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for
dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us
back to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit
of a struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.

I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However,
if I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a
2.2-2.5 hp would be fine.

The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring
instead to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ls and Gs
>
> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am
> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size
> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough
> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to
> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Mike Jones
> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
> Victoria
>
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[David Blair via CnC-List]

Mike I have a Zodiac around 8.5 ft and it is rated up to 8 hp. Got a Yamaha 2.5 
from SG Power in Victoria and it pushes it along well (doesn’t plane though). 
My reasoning was I wanted an engine I could easily lift on and off – the 2.5 
weighs about 40# so is easy enough to manage.  Yamaha is a good product, starts 
easily, not used a lot but no problem over 5 years usage. New cost is around 
$1000.  Cheers

 

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Subject: Stus-List outboard size

 

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria

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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

This subject shows how we are all different.  I am preparing for cruising in 
the Bahamas and will be buying a new Yamaha 9.9 for a 10-foot RIB.  This is so 
that I can reach distant snorkeling spots and make it into port from far off 
anchorages.  In a past trip to the Bahamas I used an 8-foot hard dinghy with a 
2.3 Hp but never again!  It simply was unsuitable for the task.  In the 
Chesapeake Bay or the Great Lakes, a 2 HP may be just fine.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> One night we had rowed our inflatable dinghy to a neighboring boat for 
> dinner.  During dinner the wind came up.  Our boat owner friend towed us back 
> to our boat with his dinghy with 2.5 hp Tohatsu.  It was a little bit of a 
> struggle but the little Tohatsu did the job.
> 
> I have a used 80's Evinrude 7.5 that will plane my 9'4" dinghy.  However, if 
> I was buying a new one, I'd definitely go much smaller.  I think a 2.2-2.5 hp 
> would be fine.
> 
> The last 3-4 years I haven't even put the OB on the dink, preferring instead 
> to row and avoid the hassle of installing/removing the heavy OB.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Ls and Gs
>> 
>> Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
>> looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
>> required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough 
>> to potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 
>> 5hp but that seeems a bit much and heavy.
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Mike Jones
>> Seanachai, 1981 C 34
>> Victoria
>> 
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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[David via CnC-List]

Pick up a used 2 stroke.  My 4hp Yamaha starts all the time and is much lighter 
than the comparable 4 stroke and powers the high pressure floored Avon just 
fine.I do own a 4 stroke 8hp, but she sits on the RIB and never moves.  
Damn thing weighs a ton.  The RIB is great locally but needs the additional 
horsepower.   

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:32:01 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List outboard size
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: jones.mi...@gmail.com

Ls and Gs

Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.

Thanks and regards

Mike Jones
Seanachai, 1981 C 34
Victoria


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Re: Stus-List outboard size

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I suggest the used route unless you plan to use the dinghy a lot.


If you decide on new, I'd consider the propane powered Luhrs (sp?) at about 
$1000-light and no fuel hassles.


Charlie Nelson


cenel...@aol.com




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Subject: Re: Stus-List outboard size



Pick up a used 2 stroke.  My 4hp Yamaha starts all the time and is much lighter 
than the comparable 4 stroke and powers the high pressure floored Avon just 
fine.I do own a 4 stroke 8hp, but she sits on the RIB and never moves.  
Damn thing weighs a ton.  The RIB is great locally but needs the additional 
horsepower.   

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)




Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:32:01 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List outboard size
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: jones.mi...@gmail.com


Ls and Gs


Can you help me? I have recently bought an 8ft inflatable as tender and am 
looking at second hand outboard options. Can you advise me of adequate size 
required? Specifically I have seen a 2,2 hp advertised. Will that be enough to 
potter to the dock and back? The safety sticker on the boat says up to 5hp but 
that seeems a bit much and heavy.


Thanks and regards


Mike Jones

Seanachai, 1981 C 34

Victoria


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