Re: [CGUYS] SMTP server app?
Thanks, but these are both forum functions and they don't seem to be options (nor mods) in vBulletin. > 1. Set up PHP or whatever to invoke people's local email (like a mailto: > link will) to send to that user's email address on your hosting site. > > 2. Set the Sender: field to be a local hosting account for this purpose. > Many mailing lists set the From: and Reply-To: to be the individual user's > email address, but have to set the Sender: field to be the mailing list, so > that the mail will go out successfully. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
You mean that all of the sudden in Maryland there is now a 6% tax on computer consulting earnings? How, btw, is this even considered a sales tax? Randall On Jan 16, 2008 11:49 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The OP made reference to the DC area. If this work is to take place in > >Maryland, or for a client in Maryland (not certain how the distinction > >would apply), it may be necessary to collect a new tax enacted during the > >recent special session of the Maryland legislature. This is potential > >trouble you fervently wish to avoid. > > Computer consulting has been subject to sales tax in DC for many years. > MD is just catching up. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC > http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Must see TV...Off Topic????
This was an interesting read. I would take a small exception to the first study group being students. I can attest that it is more difficult to have one's mind changed as one gets older ;-) . I'm sure there must be an equation out there for this condition. Regardless, it's worth reading, thanks. Richard P. I think that we all need to keep an open mind (small as it may be) and many different opinions should be welcomed. When science sorts out the various opinions, then we will be closer to fact. An interesting and distressing series apropos this discussion is "The Hidden Workings of Our Minds" at http://www.spring.org.uk/2007/12/hidden-workings-of-our-minds.php Based on experimental findings... 1. When coming up with their explanations, people don't seem to access the correct thought process(es). If they do then it only happens when the explanation is plausible. 2. Sometimes people do report the correct reason for what they've done, but it's probably only a coincidence. Makes one humble. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] SMTP server app?
On Jan 16, 2008 2:05 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, my host has smtp. But like pretty much ALL hosts these days, they > no longer allow 'relaying' or whatever it's called. > > I can create 1000 email accounts and they'll all work fine. But when a > forum member clicks a button "send email to this (other) user", PHP > mail() sends it with *their* registered return email address, it does > NOT come from an account I've set up. So it gets rejected. Right now I > just have email features turned off. All forum 'business' email works > fine since it all comes from _my_ account. But that really wouldn't > work for people emailing each other. > > Here are some choices: 1. Set up PHP or whatever to invoke people's local email (like a mailto: link will) to send to that user's email address on your hosting site. 2. Set the Sender: field to be a local hosting account for this purpose. Many mailing lists set the From: and Reply-To: to be the individual user's email address, but have to set the Sender: field to be the mailing list, so that the mail will go out successfully. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
I live and work in MD and the client is in MD (the state of MD, actually). What's the deal with this new tax? Not sure this would fall under the definition of "computer consulting," so how strictly is this defined? Thanks Randall On Jan 16, 2008 11:49 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The OP made reference to the DC area. If this work is to take place in > >Maryland, or for a client in Maryland (not certain how the distinction > >would apply), it may be necessary to collect a new tax enacted during the > >recent special session of the Maryland legislature. This is potential > >trouble you fervently wish to avoid. > > Computer consulting has been subject to sales tax in DC for many years. > MD is just catching up. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC > http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] SMTP server app?
Yes, my host has smtp. But like pretty much ALL hosts these days, they no longer allow 'relaying' or whatever it's called. I can create 1000 email accounts and they'll all work fine. But when a forum member clicks a button "send email to this (other) user", PHP mail() sends it with *their* registered return email address, it does NOT come from an account I've set up. So it gets rejected. Right now I just have email features turned off. All forum 'business' email works fine since it all comes from _my_ account. But that really wouldn't work for people emailing each other. Sorry, I cannot login with Putty right now. It wants a username and password and I'm just too damn used to using Roboform and I really don't want to hassle with trying to find the darn login. The forum's admin control panel tells me it's "Linux, Apache 2.0.6.1 (cgi)" if that helps. I vaguely remember reading on their forum they use Posix(?). Again, if this is a lot of trouble, fighting spam or otherwise, I'll just leave emails turned off. Members can still PM each other and they can subscribe to instant email notifications of PMs (which come from my [EMAIL PROTECTED] account). * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] SMTP server app?
Since you have jailed access you will have some potential difficulty installing anything not already installed. I am a confused though - it sounds as though the forum host already is running an SMTP server. Is that the case or are you saying that the HOSTING organization runs a SMTP server, but the specific SERVER that runs your forum does not? In any event - log into your jailed ssh access and run: uname -a That should spit back what flavor of *nix you are running. Most likely it comes with an SMTP service already present. I think we need more details before can provide substantive help. On Jan 16, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Tony B wrote: I recently discovered on my online forum that email no longer works user-user because the host's SMTP server requires a valid From: addy. The only solution presented so far has been to set up my own SMTP server. But googling has been fairly fruitless, only turning up a ton of Windows apps and some old stuff at Sourceforge. Anyone have any suggestions for me for something simple? It's a shared host, I'm not exactly sure what type of *nix it runs, but it's got PHP5 and MySQL (4 I think). And I only have jailed ssh access. Or was my first impulse right and it's a crazy idea to try to do smtp on my own? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
>The OP made reference to the DC area. If this work is to take place in >Maryland, or for a client in Maryland (not certain how the distinction >would apply), it may be necessary to collect a new tax enacted during the >recent special session of the Maryland legislature. This is potential >trouble you fervently wish to avoid. Computer consulting has been subject to sales tax in DC for many years. MD is just catching up. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
I was just responding to the results of the survey without figuring in the overhead. A 3.5 multiplier is a bit high, unless you maintain your own offices and staff, but not unreasonable. >If this multiplier is basically accurate, this would translate into needing >to charge about $70/hr to make the equivalent of $40 K. This would seem to >suggest that getting something like $30 or $35/hr would hardly be viable; be >better off working at a regular job. > >Does anyone think this analysis (the teacher's, not mine) is off? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] SMTP server app?
>Or was my first impulse right and it's a crazy idea to try to do smtp on >my own? It is so cheap to get a different host. I would not bother setting up a server. Then you may find that yoru server has restrictions put on it too. And last but not least, managing an SMTP server is 90% spam fighting. Do you want to do that? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
Billable hours are the key factor - how much of your time will be spent on billable hours, and how much on finding clients / closing the deal? I think figuring out what you want to make is the wrong approach though - I want to make a million bucks, but that won't be happening anytime soon. Far better to do some research and figure out what the going rate is. To do that you have to first figure out what the service you are offering is. Are you a writer? They usually get paid per word as a freelancer - you could probably find out what most trade publications and such are paying for freelance content. Are you a researcher? That is a different animal - if most of your work is research rather than writing, then hourly is appropriate. I personally know researchers who charge $75.00 an hour and get it, because they are doing research for people who themselves value their own labor at more than that, so every hour they can off load is profit for them. Matthew On Jan 16, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Randy wrote: I find this whole thing confusing. I took a workshop on consulting a few years ago. The teacher worked through a scenario in which a consultant wished to make $60k/year (or maintain that amount if coming from a salaried position). After going through all the added expenses and the reduced time (came out with about 1,000 billable hours in the year, as Tom suggested) her analysis was that to earn 60 K a contractor would have to charge about $105/hr, or about 3.5 times the equivalent hourly rate for a salaried position of that amount (appx $30 K/hr). If this multiplier is basically accurate, this would translate into needing to charge about $70/hr to make the equivalent of $40 K. This would seem to suggest that getting something like $30 or $35/hr would hardly be viable; be better off working at a regular job. Does anyone think this analysis (the teacher's, not mine) is off? Thanks, Randall On Jan 16, 2008 8:59 AM, David Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hope not too off-topic, but on the topic of salaries-- Why is it organizations are willing to pay a free-lance photographer $90-125/hour, but balk at paying a staff photographer $60K/year, which is only $30/hr? I know there's the whole benefits/pension issue, but the savings for the photography are huge. And I'm talking about places that use these photographers on a weekly basis. david -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Miles Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:38 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content? Don't make the mistake I made when I was a beginning professional photographer. Don't think you're only worth what a burger flipper makes. Charge high, very high! Either get it or turn it down and keep your prices high. When they pay it, it will make up for the jobs you loose and the headaches from the nit pickers who want the world for a dime. If they want you, they obviously have a reason. Make sure they pay for what they want. Jeff M * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com / * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-
[CGUYS] SMTP server app?
I recently discovered on my online forum that email no longer works user-user because the host's SMTP server requires a valid From: addy. The only solution presented so far has been to set up my own SMTP server. But googling has been fairly fruitless, only turning up a ton of Windows apps and some old stuff at Sourceforge. Anyone have any suggestions for me for something simple? It's a shared host, I'm not exactly sure what type of *nix it runs, but it's got PHP5 and MySQL (4 I think). And I only have jailed ssh access. Or was my first impulse right and it's a crazy idea to try to do smtp on my own? TIA * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
I find this whole thing confusing. I took a workshop on consulting a few years ago. The teacher worked through a scenario in which a consultant wished to make $60k/year (or maintain that amount if coming from a salaried position). After going through all the added expenses and the reduced time (came out with about 1,000 billable hours in the year, as Tom suggested) her analysis was that to earn 60 K a contractor would have to charge about $105/hr, or about 3.5 times the equivalent hourly rate for a salaried position of that amount (appx $30 K/hr). If this multiplier is basically accurate, this would translate into needing to charge about $70/hr to make the equivalent of $40 K. This would seem to suggest that getting something like $30 or $35/hr would hardly be viable; be better off working at a regular job. Does anyone think this analysis (the teacher's, not mine) is off? Thanks, Randall On Jan 16, 2008 8:59 AM, David Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hope not too off-topic, but on the topic of salaries-- > > Why is it organizations are willing to pay a free-lance photographer > $90-125/hour, but balk at paying a staff photographer $60K/year, which is > only $30/hr? I know there's the whole benefits/pension issue, but the > savings for the photography are huge. And I'm talking about places that use > these photographers on a weekly basis. > > david > > -Original Message- > From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Miles > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:38 PM > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content? > > Don't make the mistake I made when I was a beginning professional > photographer. Don't think you're only worth what a burger flipper > makes. Charge high, very high! Either get it or turn it down and keep > your prices high. When they pay it, it will make up for the jobs you > loose and the headaches from the nit pickers who want the world for a > dime. If they want you, they obviously have a reason. Make sure they > pay for what they want. > > Jeff M > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC > http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
Also, it's really tough to raise your prices once you're established with a client, so it's better to get started on the rate you want to be locked into, more or less. Richard P. Don't make the mistake I made when I was a beginning professional photographer. Don't think you're only worth what a burger flipper makes. Charge high, very high! Either get it or turn it down and keep your prices high. When they pay it, it will make up for the jobs you loose and the headaches from the nit pickers who want the world for a dime. If they want you, they obviously have a reason. Make sure they pay for what they want. I don't see how an independent contractor could charge much less than $30/hr and still make a living, given all the added costs and down time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
The OP made reference to the DC area. If this work is to take place in Maryland, or for a client in Maryland (not certain how the distinction would apply), it may be necessary to collect a new tax enacted during the recent special session of the Maryland legislature. This is potential trouble you fervently wish to avoid. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
Because they don't have to hire/pay them every week if they don't need the services. Plus there apparently is a multitude of savings in not paying benefits (vacation, sick days, retirement, health insurance, training), overtime, labor issues, FICA, and not having the liability insurance costs. All of that gets thrown on the back of the freelancer. In my area, companies can expand or contract with the news cycle without being burdened by the the costs during a down time. Plus with the pay delay, they make money off of the interest. Just my 2 cents. Richard P. Hope not too off-topic, but on the topic of salaries-- Why is it organizations are willing to pay a free-lance photographer $90-125/hour, but balk at paying a staff photographer $60K/year, which is only $30/hr? I know there's the whole benefits/pension issue, but the savings for the photography are huge. And I'm talking about places that use these photographers on a weekly basis. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
Hope not too off-topic, but on the topic of salaries-- Why is it organizations are willing to pay a free-lance photographer $90-125/hour, but balk at paying a staff photographer $60K/year, which is only $30/hr? I know there's the whole benefits/pension issue, but the savings for the photography are huge. And I'm talking about places that use these photographers on a weekly basis. david -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Miles Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:38 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content? Don't make the mistake I made when I was a beginning professional photographer. Don't think you're only worth what a burger flipper makes. Charge high, very high! Either get it or turn it down and keep your prices high. When they pay it, it will make up for the jobs you loose and the headaches from the nit pickers who want the world for a dime. If they want you, they obviously have a reason. Make sure they pay for what they want. Jeff M * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
>I don't see how an independent contractor could charge much less than $30/hr >and still make a living, given all the added costs and down time. Sorry, I divided wrong. For independent contractors the divisor is typically 1000, for full-time staff 2000. So I should have written $60/hour. I was surprised that the survey showed that 60% made less than $60,000. This must be due to outsourcing to India and the fact that top management needs to cheat everyone else to scrape up the dough for their $mega million salaries. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] What to charge for contract to develop web content?
>Don't make the mistake I made when I was a beginning professional >photographer. Don't think you're only worth what a burger flipper >makes. Charge high, very high! Either get it or turn it down and keep >your prices high. When they pay it, it will make up for the jobs you >loose and the headaches from the nit pickers who want the world for a >dime. If they want you, they obviously have a reason. Make sure they >pay for what they want. Good point. This recalls yesterday's news of the MRI monitoring of subjects drinking wine that they were told cost $10 vs. $90. Make your clients happy by charging them more. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
