date:20100404


On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:

My analysis is based on what I see of usage patterns.  FiOS isn't
targeted toward businesses yet.  It's a consumer package.  It's
unmetered because people respond badly to metering.  But it is  
upstream

bandwidth limited.  We never intended for people to operate servers
on a residential FiOS link


Neither Flickr nor YouTube are "business" applications. iChat and  
Skype video are other examples. I'll say it again, what people are  
doing with the Internet is changing. The old model that your  
calculation is based on no longer applies.



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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed


Quoting "Eric S. Sande" :


Face it, the average VZ union employee is very extremely well paid
for professional services.  That would include the guy/gal who actually
does the hookup.

Sorry, Reid, I just objected to the tone, I guess.


No tone was intended. All I was saying is that you keep telling Betty  
it's too expensive to run FiOS to her in the sticks of eastern MD. The  
article you posted a link for gave the figures of $750 for the build  
(per household), $600 to the house, and a 50% take rate.


As for Pedro an' them, all I know is what I see. Non-Anglo-Saxon or  
non-African-American individuals running the picks and shovels.  
Documented or not, union or not, I don't know.


If they are union contractors paying good wages, then it's a sad state  
of affairs given a 10% unemployment rate that they'd still have to go  
off-shore to find people willing to do the work.



Or maybe I'm hypersensitive on this issue.

No harm intended.


No worries. We good? I'll buy the next round.


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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed


Quoting "Eric S. Sande" :

Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their   
amigos  to come along and dig up their neighborhoods.


Cheap shot.  Well below your usual standard, Reid.

Many don't actually buy it,  in fact, even if it's available.


Hey. I just used the number quoted in the article you posted.


If you're saying I'm using cheap contractors for the buildout, prove it.


Well, all I'm saying is that majority of the ditch diggers I've seen  
out there (and I get around. I work in big chunks of PG, Calvert, Anne  
Arundel, Charles) don't speak English as a first language.


If your contractors are supposed to be union, I'd gladly help you bust them.


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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

I am flummoxed.  First they promote the over the air digital TV signal and make 
you go out and get "converters" so you don't hafta buy a new TV ...then you 
find out you only get 2 channels where you live (I have a 30' tower with 
uhf/vhf antenna 1h road south of Philadelphia ...no mountains here).  The 
converters sit on a shelf...


Yup. Consumers be damned. They'll pay whatever sky-high price the 
broadband companies charge because there's no competition, no 
regulation, no accountability. Corporate government will sell--not 
lease--the publicly owned airwaves then make us pay big bucks to buy all 
new equipment so we can watch the commercial TV that we've been watching 
for years with our old TVs and tuners.


We did find out something to improve the over the air signal--a cheap 
$29 DVD recorder with an amazing tuner from Big Lots. Better than the 
two converter boxes we tried, plus DVD! With a cheap home-made antenna, 
http://www.tvantennaplans.com/, pictures are good to very good, around 
20 stations, maybe more--and remember, we live even more "nowhere" than 
you do in NJ. Good luck with WYBE [ch.35?]. Somehow it only comes in 
when the Korean programs are on, then it disappears.


Sure would be nice to have affordable high-speed broadband and the 
cable/satellite/FIOS channels too, without being gouged for it.



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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


Quoting Stewart Marshall :


It mainly is based on expected usage.

They expect you to use it more so you pay more for it.

My church office uses a 1.5 mps connection.  We are not a heavy user
and do not rely on a super high speed connection for our work.

Now if I were a business that required a high speed connection tog et a
loot of work done I would see them charging for a higher speed.


Why? It's not like they have to keep refilling the line more often.  
They don't have to keep an extra supply of Broadband in the back room.  
If you ordered up a faster connection, what would they have to do?  
type a few commands into their server allowing you the increased  
speed. Oh, and send a memo to Accounting to send you a fatter bill.



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"And in markets where Verizon's Fios service has been around the longest, insiders 
report penetration rates have exceeded 50 percent for Fios high-speed Internet and are 
approaching 50 percent for Fios TV."

And do a little math (scary, I know). . .let's see, ($750+$600)*2(half the 
potentials taking)=$2700. Now, I don't know what the service is going for, but 
if it's anything like Concast, er, Xfinity, It'll be more than $100/month. 
That's 27 months to break-even. Pure profit after that. That doesn't sound so 
bad.

Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their amigos to come 
along and dig up their neighborhoods.



Ain't gonna happen. Verizon just told the city of Wilmington, Delaware 
to forget FIOS. They're not going to get it. Gosh. Thanks Verizon. 
Wilmington has people living there, unlike Cecil County, Maryland where 
"nobody" lives [according to Verizon]. Guess "nobody" lives in 
Wilmington either. 
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100404/BUSINESS/4040353


Not enough competition. Not enough regulation.


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Gotta have that social networking thing, you know, not to mention the
games.  Dunno if Apple planned it that way, but if such a scenario
transpires, what a way to inculcate flocks of youngsters into the
Apple World... iPhones, iPods, iPads, and who knows what will be
next.  Maybe, slim chance, but just maybe youngsters will actually use the 
devices intelligently.


When the 3G version comes out, it could change the entire mobile phone 
pricing system. Whether the iPad is successful or not, being able to get 
cheaper data plans independent of cellular contracts is definitely a big 
plus. T-Mobile increased the number of minutes for voice service by 40% 
but they have data-only plans on one device, just as AT&T has its new 
data plans for iPad only. It would be better if we could get any plan we 
want instead of plans being device-specific.


Can the new SIM card fit in other current mobile phones? What is AT&T 
doing, other than using a different SIM card, to prevent getting the 
iPad SIM and using it in an unlocked cell phone [especially one that 
multitasks]?



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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread Eric S. Sande


Wow!  Not out-sourcing the grunt work? I'm impressed.


Actually I am, I just was a little POed at Reid's statement.

But eveybody has to have papers.

The fact is we've fired contractors in the past for being undocumented.

Face it, the average VZ union employee is very extremely well paid
for professional services.  That would include the guy/gal who actually
does the hookup.

Sorry, Reid, I just objected to the tone, I guess.

Or maybe I'm hypersensitive on this issue.

No harm intended.


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The new cable company coming into town are doing all their own stringing.

No outside labor or contractors.

Charter uses a lot of contractors for any work except cable stringing 
and maintenance.


When a call for help with my Hi Speed arises it is all contractors.

Stewart


At 08:27 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:
Cheap shot.  Well below your usual standard, Reid.


Many don't actually buy it,  in fact, even if it's available.

If you're saying I'm using cheap contractors for the buildout, prove it.

My union members would love to hear about it.

You can contact the union at:

http://www.cwa2336.org/

Where I was a steward for 15 years.



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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread Roger D. Parish


At 9:27 PM -0400 4/4/10, Eric S. Sande wrote:

Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their 
amigos  to come along and dig up their neighborhoods.


Cheap shot.  Well below your usual standard, Reid.

Many don't actually buy it,  in fact, even if it's available.

If you're saying I'm using cheap contractors for the buildout, prove it.

My union members would love to hear about it.


Wow!  Not out-sourcing the grunt work? I'm impressed.
--
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Lovettsville, VA


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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

2010-04-04 Thread rleesimon

I am flummoxed.  First they promote the over the air digital TV signal and make 
you go out and get "converters" so you don't hafta buy a new TV ...then you 
find out you only get 2 channels where you live (I have a 30' tower with 
uhf/vhf antenna 1h road south of Philadelphia ...no mountains here).  The 
converters sit on a shelf.  Then you find out cable TV (I was proud never to 
have subscribed in my life) is expensive, but if you moan they offer a cheap 
alternative.  The >20yr old overhead wire is what they want to use.  I was 
never a customer, and they didn't know it was even there, so I cut it down.  At 
least for my installation money I got a good high speed wire.  Then they 
install using a contractor who blew my fuses and I threw him out.  They sent a 
Comcast guy (looked a little like the guy on the ad) who finished the job.  
Lucky I have a basement most of the way but he still drilled a hole and stuck a 
wire outside to get to my home/office.  Then he fiddled and fussed to!
  get miserable DSL speed cable net.  I fixed that by getting a splitter that 
gives more of the signal to the modem and less to the one TV we have.  Over the 
air we received 3 different PBS stations which was great!  Now one disappeared 
(the best one, WYBE).  Most of the channels are ads for knives or coins or 
phone sex.  Then there are a half a dozen religious channels; none are my 
brand.  All this for $25 which was for a year and now is up to $37.  We get 5 
networks and PBS and C-span ...the history channel is fuzzy.  So, with fees and 
taxes we pay $500/year for less than what we had for free  Now we are gonna get 
broadband whether we like it or not.  Maybe they could bundle it with 
health-care.  I think people may think I'm impersonating Andy Rooney.

-Original Message-
From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Broadband Speeds Map

> Can't speak for others, but I am on an account with Rogers Cable Systems in 
> Ontario that gets me consistently up to 25 Mbps speed. And there is an 
> account 
> type that is one higher than that which tops out at 50.  Mind you it 
> doesn't;t 
> come cheap but there it is.

How much does Rogers Cable charge or 25 and 50 Mbps service? In Canadian 
dollars?


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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread Eric S. Sande

Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their amigos  
to come along and dig up their neighborhoods.


Cheap shot.  Well below your usual standard, Reid.

Many don't actually buy it,  in fact, even if it's available.

If you're saying I'm using cheap contractors for the buildout, prove it.

My union members would love to hear about it.

You can contact the union at:

http://www.cwa2336.org/

Where I was a steward for 15 years.


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Re: [CGUYS] laptop to tv advice

2010-04-04 Thread rleesimon

My TV is lenco dtv-2421

 

Description/detail: TFT/LCD DVD combination/screen diagonal: 61 cm/sceen
size: 24 tariff/display format: 16:9/dissolution: 1,920 x of 1,080 pixels/hp
ready/Full hp/integrated devices: DVD player/connections: 1xHDMI, VGA (PC
entrance), SCART, S-video-entrance, component entrance (YUV)/rendition
formats: CD, DVD, VCD, S-VCD, HDCD, MP3, WMA, JPEG/weight: 6.14 kg/power
output: 2 x 3 Watt/screen menu OSD/data sheet indicate

 

My Laptop is IBM Thinkpad X31

 

Has USB2 and also has a "monitor connector" on the back (15 pins in 3 rows
of 5 slightly offset) which can be seen here:

 

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/x31monitcon.gif

 

I place the x31 in an x3 ultrabase which has a pass-through to another
connector that resembles the one above but they call it a "vga" port.  see
it here:

 

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/Dimitri_P/2007/4-22/pic145q.jpg

 

so, now, what cable will I need to get to hook my notebook with or without
docking station (It seems the port on my notebook just passes through to the
docking station which "replicates" the ports) .so I can plunk it down next
to my tv and watch a movie from the computer (I have some in various formats
.avi, wmv .many are VGA so they will show nicely).

 

I see there appears to be some cr*p-ware out there in this vein .maybe
someone has some experience with this?

 

Oh yeah, since my TV (PAL) has a VGA port, how come I can't just get a
simple video cable and hook it up as if it were a monitor and watch the
movie (I understand I would likely need an audio cable too).??

 

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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Reid Katan  wrote:

> Quoting "Eric S. Sande" :
>
>  I mean, it's easy to say that bandwidth is cheap, but not if you're
>> in the business of building the infrastructure.
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20001377-266.html
>>
>> So, some ups and some downs.
>>
>
> Let's see. If we combine this:
>
> "Initially, Wall Street was skeptical about Verizon's bet. It costs Verizon
> about $750 per customer to wire an entire neighborhood for the Fios Fiber
> service. And for every customer who signs up for service, Verizon spends an
> additional $600 to bring wire directly to the home."
>
> With this:
>
> "And in markets where Verizon's Fios service has been around the longest,
> insiders report penetration rates have exceeded 50 percent for Fios
> high-speed Internet and are approaching 50 percent for Fios TV."
>
> And do a little math (scary, I know). . .let's see,  ($750+$600)*2(half the
> potentials taking)=$2700. Now, I don't know what the service is going for,
> but if it's anything like Concast, er, Xfinity, It'll be more than
> $100/month. That's 27 months to break-even. Pure profit after that. That
> doesn't sound so bad.
>
> Well that neglects paying for TV programming so add a couple of months.  I
pay $110/month to VZ for the base FIOS package but it expands up to $160
when you throw in an add on or two and taxes.

There was an add for FIOS for $70/month for 6 months in today's Post.
-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] ipad/iphone/ipod touch and the lack of multitasking explained

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> Most of the reviews I have read so far are referring to it as another
> device.

> Not to replace anything but to have.

  Some reviewers are saying it may supplant the laptop as we have come
to know it.

> Not revolutionary maybe evolutionary.

  Sure, it is most certainly evolutionary, but a number of reviews
refer to it as revolutionary.  Perhaps the term "revolutionary" has
become so overused as to have lost its meaning, as per the abominably
overused descriptive word, "hero."

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Si Senor.

Stewart



At 06:40 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:


Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their amigos
to come along and dig up their neighborhoods.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Quoting "Eric S. Sande" :


I mean, it's easy to say that bandwidth is cheap, but not if you're
in the business of building the infrastructure.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20001377-266.html

So, some ups and some downs.


Let's see. If we combine this:

"Initially, Wall Street was skeptical about Verizon's bet. It costs  
Verizon about $750 per customer to wire an entire neighborhood for the  
Fios Fiber service. And for every customer who signs up for service,  
Verizon spends an additional $600 to bring wire directly to the home."


With this:

"And in markets where Verizon's Fios service has been around the  
longest, insiders report penetration rates have exceeded 50 percent  
for Fios high-speed Internet and are approaching 50 percent for Fios  
TV."


And do a little math (scary, I know). . .let's see,   
($750+$600)*2(half the potentials taking)=$2700. Now, I don't know  
what the service is going for, but if it's anything like Concast, er,  
Xfinity, It'll be more than $100/month. That's 27 months to  
break-even. Pure profit after that. That doesn't sound so bad.


Betty and Stewart will be waiting for Pedro, Jorge, and their amigos  
to come along and dig up their neighborhoods.



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Most of the reviews I have read so far are referring to it as another device.

Not to replace anything but to have.

Not revolutionary maybe evolutionary.

By the way saw the neatest bumper sticker yesterday.

If evolution gets outlawed only outlaws will evolve.

Stewart



At 06:46 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

  It is being mentioned by a number of folks who have been reviewing
the iPad that it begins to appear as though that new device is going
to particularly catch on with the younger set, pre-teens and upwards.
A new drain on family budgets if that pans out.  Gotta have that
social networking thing, you know, not to mention the games.  Dunno if
Apple planned it that way, but if such a scenario transpires, what a
way to inculcate flocks of youngsters into the Apple World... iPhones,
iPods, iPads, and who knows what will be next.  Maybe, slim chance,
but just maybe youngsters will actually use the devices intelligently.

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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:44 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I guess you know that only about half of the public in the United
>> States, and perhaps even less than that, agrees with you.
>
> Stop reading those Fox News push polls.

  If all too many of us do not feel as I indicated, then how come we,
the people, continue to allow ourselves to be ripped off, decade after
decade after decade?

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Re: [CGUYS] ipad/iphone/ipod touch and the lack of multitasking explained

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:37 PM, mike wrote:
>>
>> Kinda long for our list, but seemed short enough to post here in full.  A
>> good editorial about why the Apple family of pods don't multitask.
>
> Makes good sense. Thank you for posting.

  It is being mentioned by a number of folks who have been reviewing
the iPad that it begins to appear as though that new device is going
to particularly catch on with the younger set, pre-teens and upwards.
A new drain on family budgets if that pans out.  Gotta have that
social networking thing, you know, not to mention the games.  Dunno if
Apple planned it that way, but if such a scenario transpires, what a
way to inculcate flocks of youngsters into the Apple World... iPhones,
iPods, iPads, and who knows what will be next.  Maybe, slim chance,
but just maybe youngsters will actually use the devices intelligently.

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] Masters Tournament

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Mike Sloane  wrote:

> Oh, I thought that I was the only person in the world who felt that the idea
> of watching any golf tournament was the visual equivalent of waiting for
> paint to dry.

  Apparently many folks find a golf game to be much more scintillating
than whatever their job happens to be.  That, sir, is a daunting
thought.

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


It mainly is based on expected usage.

They expect you to use it more so you pay more for it.

My church office uses a 1.5 mps connection.  We are not a heavy user 
and do not rely on a super high speed connection for our work.


Now if I were a business that required a high speed connection tog et 
a loot of work done I would see them charging for a higher speed.


Recently the cable company said they could offer a 16mps connection. 
Now I would pay a high price for that, but instead they increased my 
5 mps to an 8 mps for the same price.


my biggest frustration is the servers used by many sites from which I 
can do downloads.  They throttle those suckers so that no matter how 
fast a connection you have it still takes a long time to download stuff.


Stewart

At 06:07 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

Quoting "t.piwowar" :


The corporations invented the idea that bandwidth was a scarce resource
to be sold to the public drop by drop. They started to throttle
services like BitTorrent and block services like Skype. Suddenly the
the wide open cables lost their ability to move our data unimpeded
unless they got greased by the payment of extra tolls.


Yeah. If Eric's FiOS is capable of delivering 100Mbs (or whatever
their claim is), why do you have to pay extra for higher rates? What's
the diff? It's not like they have to come out to my house and install
a booster to the line, or come around and install a fatter "wire". if
they let the unwashed masses *all* have max bandwidth, and their
"wire" isn't able to support it, then they don't *really* have 110Mbs
bandwidth, and shouldn't be advertising as such. The "wire" is either
capable of the bandwidth, or it isn't.

Seems to me like it's more trouble and expense trying to meter out the
service.


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At least you know how to defend against crocs and skeeters.

Stewart


At 06:08 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Only things you have to fight off are Teapartiers and termites.


What's the difference?


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On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Only things you have to fight off are Teapartiers and termites.


What's the difference?


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On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:44 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

I guess you know that only about half of the public in the United
States, and perhaps even less than that, agrees with you.


Stop reading those Fox News push polls.


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On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:49 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
In many places you can get 1Mbps for 1 euro. Here it's insanely  
higher, and not available many places, especially nowhere like here.


Just keep repeating the neocon mantra: we are the USA, the best of all  
possible countries. Love it or leave it.



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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


Quoting "t.piwowar" :


The corporations invented the idea that bandwidth was a scarce resource
to be sold to the public drop by drop. They started to throttle
services like BitTorrent and block services like Skype. Suddenly the
the wide open cables lost their ability to move our data unimpeded
unless they got greased by the payment of extra tolls.


Yeah. If Eric's FiOS is capable of delivering 100Mbs (or whatever  
their claim is), why do you have to pay extra for higher rates? What's  
the diff? It's not like they have to come out to my house and install  
a booster to the line, or come around and install a fatter "wire". if  
they let the unwashed masses *all* have max bandwidth, and their  
"wire" isn't able to support it, then they don't *really* have 110Mbs  
bandwidth, and shouldn't be advertising as such. The "wire" is either  
capable of the bandwidth, or it isn't.


Seems to me like it's more trouble and expense trying to meter out the  
service.



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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed


On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:

Not really.  Most of the traffic is server to client, not vice-versa.


But when I want it I want it. I think your analysis is based on some  
dated notions of what people do on the Internet. When I upload photos  
to Flickr or video to YouTube I'm not happy that it takes a couple of  
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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


WOW!

That is so absurdly expensive. The US is failing us. Broadband 
monopolies better be regulated soon, otherwise we're going to sink lower 
and lower.


In many places you can get 1Mbps for 1 euro. Here it's insanely higher, 
and not available many places, especially nowhere like here.


BUMMER.

Does that include any Video, TV, phone?


25 Mbps is $69 per month, with 125 Gb of download included and a surcharge per 
Gb after that.


50 Mbps is, I think $99 per month, with a limit of $175 G downloaded and a 
(smaller) per Gb surcharge afer that.


In both cases the surcharges for extra downloads are capped to a maximum of 
$50, so you could literally have truly "unlimited" for a max $119 and $149 per 
month respectively.


A lot of $$$, but the service has been pretty reliable for me, and is blazingly 
fast for a home service.


But cable service here is essentially a monopoly.




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Re: [CGUYS] Masters Tournament


One of the reasons I like latex.

By the tie I get done with one wall, it is time to do it again.

Thrill thrill.

(I attempt the game of golf, but I do as well at that as I do bowling.)

Stewart


At 05:10 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:
Oh, I thought that I was the only person in the world who felt that 
the idea of watching any golf tournament was the visual equivalent 
of waiting for paint to dry.


Mike

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Ho hum.
Stewart

At 02:38 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

  I saw an ad yesterday on TV promoting the upcoming Masters Golf
event featuring 'you know who.'  While making sure that viewers got
the message about what TV channel to watch to be able to see the
return of the Savior of Golfdom, the ad also suggested that all of you
who are at work on opening day and are supposed to be actually working
should instead watch streaming video of the "Resurrection" on the
computer in your office.  And, don't forget to make sure you watch it
on your 3G device if you happen to be driving around that day.

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Re: [CGUYS] Masters Tournament

2010-04-04 Thread Mike Sloane

Oh, I thought that I was the only person in the world who felt that the 
idea of watching any golf tournament was the visual equivalent of 
waiting for paint to dry.


Mike

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Ho hum.

Stewart


At 02:38 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

  I saw an ad yesterday on TV promoting the upcoming Masters Golf
event featuring 'you know who.'  While making sure that viewers got
the message about what TV channel to watch to be able to see the
return of the Savior of Golfdom, the ad also suggested that all of you
who are at work on opening day and are supposed to be actually working
should instead watch streaming video of the "Resurrection" on the
computer in your office.  And, don't forget to make sure you watch it
on your 3G device if you happen to be driving around that day.

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Re: [CGUYS] Masters Tournament

2010-04-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Ho hum.

Stewart


At 02:38 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

  I saw an ad yesterday on TV promoting the upcoming Masters Golf
event featuring 'you know who.'  While making sure that viewers got
the message about what TV channel to watch to be able to see the
return of the Savior of Golfdom, the ad also suggested that all of you
who are at work on opening day and are supposed to be actually working
should instead watch streaming video of the "Resurrection" on the
computer in your office.  And, don't forget to make sure you watch it
on your 3G device if you happen to be driving around that day.

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[CGUYS] Here I am again...in troubles.

2010-04-04 Thread Marcio

Now I have a new computer Intel Dualcore and Windows 7. Working fine. The guy 
in the shop convinced me to have dual boot so that now I am able to boot with 
the old Windows XP or with the new Windows 7. Working OK. But I am scared when 
it comes connecting top my wireless network with my Linksys Adapter. First I 
was able to install the Linksys driver when in Windows XP but I had troubles 
installing and connecting with the network with Windows 7.

Finally after uninstalling the driver in Windows XP and boot in Windows 7 and I 
was able to connect it to the network. It is working fine now. But I am afraid 
of booting on Windows XP and messing this up. Even more afraid to install the 
Linksys driver in Windows XP and this creating problems for the connection when 
booting Windows 7. Should I do it? Can I use the same adapter for both boots?

Confused.

Help.

Thanks

Marcio


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Re: [CGUYS] ipad/iphone/ipod touch and the lack of multitasking explained


On Apr 4, 2010, at 2:37 PM, mike wrote:
Kinda long for our list, but seemed short enough to post here in  
full.  A

good editorial about why the Apple family of pods don't multitask.


Makes good sense. Thank you for posting.


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[CGUYS] Masters Tournament

  I saw an ad yesterday on TV promoting the upcoming Masters Golf
event featuring 'you know who.'  While making sure that viewers got
the message about what TV channel to watch to be able to see the
return of the Savior of Golfdom, the ad also suggested that all of you
who are at work on opening day and are supposed to be actually working
should instead watch streaming video of the "Resurrection" on the
computer in your office.  And, don't forget to make sure you watch it
on your 3G device if you happen to be driving around that day.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

2010-04-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Not even close.

Only things you have to fight off are Teapartiers and termites.

Stewart


At 09:17 AM 4/4/2010, you wrote:

On Apr 3, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:

There are a number of smaller towns in this area, 10K population or
so that have varying degrees of service.  Most of them have VOIP
available.


But isn't your area somewhere in the middle of the Okefenokee Swamp? I
don't think Eric and his crews want to be fighting off crocodiles just
so you can stream Alice in Wonderland.


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Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with being productive?

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:00 PM, mike  wrote:

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100329075911.htm
>
> *A new study from University of Utah psychologists found a small group of
> people with an extraordinary ability to multitask: Unlike 97.5 percent of
> those studied, they can safely drive while chatting on a cell phone.*
>
> Of course the important stat is that 100.00% of those studied claimed they
> are one of the so called supertaskers.

  Precisely.  So, if no one thinks that they present any danger to
anyone else while driving and simultaneously e-mailing, texting,
talking or surfing the internet, what is all the fuss about?

  Steve


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[CGUYS] ipad/iphone/ipod touch and the lack of multitasking explained

2010-04-04 Thread mike

Kinda long for our list, but seemed short enough to post here in full. A
good editorial about why the Apple family of pods don't multitask.

http://blog.rlove.org/2010/04/why-ipad-and-iphone-dont-support.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rlove+%28Robert+Love%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

*Why don't the iPad and iPhone support multitasking? The answer isn't what
you think.*

*There is a lot of misconception around support for multitasking in the
iPhone and its giant cousin, the
iPad.
What follows is my analysis of the situation. I am not privy to any insider
Apple information. Moreover, while my knowledge is certainly colored by my
work on Android , I’m not drawing a comparison or
using any Google-specific knowledge.*

*First, obviously the iPhone and the iPad **do support multitasking. This is
2010 and both are built on modern, powerful operating systems that provide
support for preemptive multitasking. Indeed, at the system level, there are
many processes running concurrently. And some Apple-provided applications,
such as the music player, clearly multitask.*

*So let’s redefine the complaint. What in actuality is not supported is the
ability for third-party applications to multitask. That is, the system
enforces a policy whereby once an application leaves the foreground, it
terminates. In some ways, this makes sense. The iPad and iPhone user
interfaces are single window, single document. Not allowing for background
applications probably works out for a whole lot of use cases.*

*Apple says they do not support multitasking because it is a hamper to
stability and a drain on battery life. That clearly isn’t true—the iPad has
plenty of processing power and battery capacity. Rumor is that Apple is
going to add multitasking in a future OS release. This rumor likely **is
true. Is Apple somehow going to make background applications not consume any
battery? Of course not. These excuses are straw men.*

*The real reason that the iPad and iPhone do not allow third-party
applications to multitask is likely more complex, more technical. Bear with
me here. Both the iPad and iPhone, as mobile devices, have limited memory
(256MB in the current incarnations) and no hard drive. No hard drive means
no swap file. Limited memory and no swap imply that applications have a
small, fixed amount of memory at their disposal. They don’t have the luxury
of seemingly-infinite memory, as a modern system with swap has. Memory
consumption is thus a critical system constraint. Like most systems, the
iPad and iPhone deal with this by killing applications that use too much
memory via a mechanism called the out of memory (OOM) killer. Unlike most
systems, applications designed for the iPad and iPhone know how much memory
they have at their disposal, and are designed to operate within those
constraints. This is classic memory management in embedded programming. No
swap, fixed memory, you deal.*

*What would happen if third-party applications could multitask? Some number
of applications would be in the background. But each application was written
presuming it had access to some fixed amount of memory. Thus, if the
background applications consumed too much memory, the operating system would
have to kill them. But the user would expect that he or she could switch
back to an old application, and it would still be running where it was left.
He or she certainly doesn’t expect applications to just die every time a new
application is run, losing state and even data.*

*Simply put, the reason the iPad and iPhone do not support multitasking is
because it is hard to allow multitasking in a system with no swap and a
limited amount of memory. Apple could enable multitasking—indeed, there is
no reason that the devices couldn’t support it right now, with a one or two
line code change—but your applications would constantly be killed. That
isn’t a very useful feature.*

*So how is Apple going to enable support for multitasking? Likely similar to
how Android allows it. The Android platform was designed from the ground up
for use on phones and other embedded devices. Consequently, we built in a
mechanism whereby applications can save their state, including their current
view, with the system. In fact, through this state saving mechanism, which
we call
Bundles,
Android applications can operate as if they are stateless.*

*Thus, allowing for multitasking on Android is easy. Like the iPad and
iPhone, we have a powerful, modern operating system (in Android’s case,
based on the Linux kernel). Unlike the iPad and iPhone, we also have
Bundles, which allow apps to save their state. Android’s OOM killer is aware
of background applications and is capable of killing them in
least-recently-used order. If the user switches back to an application that

Re: [CGUYS] My download speed

2010-04-04 Thread Eric S. Sande

On the downlink. On the uplink the speed is typically 1/10 of that as  
the providers have found yet another excuse for charging their  
customers extra if they want symmetric service.


Not really.  Most of the traffic is server to client, not vice-versa.  It's
a well accepted transport architecture.  France Telecom/Orange is
widely regarded as being one of the highest market penetration
providers in Europe, yet they are mostly ADSL.  Asymmetric, in
other words,  not SDSL.

http://www.orange.com/en_EN/group/

If I want to do server to server, symmetric makes sense.  I have a
product line for that, at any speed you like.

But if I know from experience that upstream is a creek and downstream
is a river, normal in a client/server model, why would I build out
what I know from traffic analysis is going to be unused capacity?

I mean, it's easy to say that bandwidth is cheap, but not if you're
in the business of building the infrastructure.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20001377-266.html

So, some ups and some downs.


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Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with being productive?

2010-04-04 Thread mike

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100329075911.htm

*A new study from University of Utah psychologists found a small group of
people with an extraordinary ability to multitask: Unlike 97.5 percent of
those studied, they can safely drive while chatting on a cell phone.*

Of course the important stat is that 100.00% of those studied claimed they
are one of the so called supertaskers.

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> D.C. area poll confirms worries about distracted driving
>
> Nearly one-quarter of respondents said they e-mail, text or use the
> Internet while driving...
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[CGUYS] What's wrong with being productive?

D.C. area poll confirms worries about distracted driving

Nearly one-quarter of respondents said they e-mail, text or use the
Internet while driving...




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Re: [CGUYS] domain value

2010-04-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, gerald slawecki  wrote:

> i  have under $100 in it.  does that mean i should sell it for 100, if it
> is worth 1000 or 100,000?  if i had, and was able to hold exxon.com, or
> coke.com, should i sell them for the $100 i would have in them?  some of
> these domain name collectors have thousands of domain names, and they are
> not selling them for $10 each.
>

IMS there is the ability to force out domain squatters on trade marked
brands so they can get basically nothing for the privilege of having owned
something like that.  In practice if you make the payment to you smaller
than or near the costs of chasing you out then you might come out ahead.
The trick here is to get as much as you can without being abusive about it.

The good news here is ppiusa and ppi aren't immediately recognizable brands.

>
>

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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:47 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> You bet we need more regulation. And more competition. The two do not oppose
> one another. When the oligarchs have us by the throats the only way to get
> competition is via regulation.

  I guess you know that only about half of the public in the United
States, and perhaps even less than that, agrees with you.  Also,
almost all of the corporations and businesses disagree with your
assessment as well.  Individuals and entities on the other side of the
argument will tell you that we already have far too much regulation,
that competition is an outmoded concept and that what is needed to
best serve the public is to deregulate in an extensive manner.  Those
corporations would also like to have a whole bunch more tax breaks as
well, if you please.

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

2010-04-04 Thread Michael Wosnick

25 Mbps is $69 per month, with 125 Gb of download included and a surcharge per 
Gb after that.

50 Mbps is, I think $99 per month, with a limit of $175 G downloaded and a 
(smaller) per Gb surcharge afer that.

In both cases the surcharges for extra downloads are capped to a maximum of 
$50, so you could literally have truly "unlimited" for a max $119 and $149 per 
month respectively.

A lot of $$$, but the service has been pretty reliable for me, and is blazingly 
fast for a home service.

But cable service here is essentially a monopoly.

Michael





From: b_s-wilk 
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 11:44:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

> Can't speak for others, but I am on an account with Rogers Cable Systems in 
> Ontario that gets me consistently up to 25 Mbps speed. And there is an 
> account type that is one higher than that which tops out at 50.  Mind you it 
> doesn't;t come cheap but there it is.

How much does Rogers Cable charge or 25 and 50 Mbps service? In Canadian 
dollars?


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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Stewart Marshall wrote:

Less competition more regulation!


Today's Morning Edition had a report on broadband regulation...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125554738

Amid all the brouhaha about neocons battling to get the government off  
our backs and allowing corporations a free run to empty our pockets  
there was an interesting nugget of information...


The USA lead the world in Internet connectivity until the Bushies  
decided that the Telecommunications Act of 1934 did not apply to  
Internet services. Ever since that fateful decision service quality in  
the USA has fallen like a rock.


The corporations invented the idea that bandwidth was a scarce  
resource to be sold to the public drop by drop. They started to  
throttle services like BitTorrent and block services like Skype.  
Suddenly the the wide open cables lost their ability to move our data  
unimpeded unless they got greased by the payment of extra tolls.


You bet we need more regulation. And more competition. The two do not  
oppose one another. When the oligarchs have us by the throats the only  
way to get competition is via regulation.



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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map

2010-04-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:17 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:
>
>> There are a number of smaller towns in this area, 10K population or so
>> that have varying degrees of service.  Most of them have VOIP available.
>>
>
> But isn't your area somewhere in the middle of the Okefenokee Swamp? I
> don't think Eric and his crews want to be fighting off crocodiles just so
> you can stream Alice in Wonderland.
>
> Pretty sure it would be Alligators in Okefenokee Swamp.  Crocs in the US
don't range much farther north than Miami.
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Re: [CGUYS] domain value


On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:00 AM, gerald slawecki wrote:
i  have under $100 in it.  does that mean i should sell it for 100,  
if it is worth 1000 or 100,000?  if i had, and was able to hold  
exxon.com, or coke.com, should i sell them for the $100 i would have  
in them?  some of these domain name collectors have thousands of  
domain names, and they are not selling them for $10 each.


Have you looked at http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/


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Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map


On Apr 3, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:
There are a number of smaller towns in this area, 10K population or  
so that have varying degrees of service.  Most of them have VOIP  
available.


But isn't your area somewhere in the middle of the Okefenokee Swamp? I  
don't think Eric and his crews want to be fighting off crocodiles just  
so you can stream Alice in Wonderland.



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Re: [CGUYS] My download speed


On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:

10 mbps is basic LAN speed.  That's broadband in my book.


On the downlink. On the uplink the speed is typically 1/10 of that as  
the providers have found yet another excuse for charging their  
customers extra if they want symmetric service.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV

2010-04-04 Thread Mike Sloane

Since my ancient (1970's vintage Zenith) TV finally expired this week, I 
was forced to enter the 21st century and buy a replacement. I found that 
the reviews on the CNET site , 
although somewhat difficult to navigate, very helpful. My problem was 
that many of the ratings depend on features/functionality that I will 
never utilize (gaming, internet access, use as a computer monitor, etc.) 
and definitions of screen characteristics that I have trouble relating 
to - "saturation", "contrast", "sharpness", "color depth", etc.


Then I had to deal with Direct TV to "upgrade" my service and hardware 
to handle HD. And don't forget to buy an HDMI cable - neither the TV nor 
the cable/satellite box come with them.


I should point out that I don't watch TV, but my wife does, so my 
proposed alternative of doing without was rejected out of hand. :-)


Oh, you might ask what I bought. It is a 42" LG brand LCD model with LED 
backlighting and "local dimming" (a combination of which should allow me 
to see the sweat oozing out of a baseball player's pores - something I 
never realized I needed to observe until now). It too new to be "in 
stock" at the local appliance dealer in whom I have a lot of faith, but 
they committed to setting it up for me for free later this week (and 
take away the old Zenith) as part of the deal. From what I understand 
from reading forums, there is a lot to be said for having the unit 
installed and supported by the seller, failed/damaged units on delivery 
being not all that rare.


Mike

phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Jeff Miles  wrote:


   I wish I'd known all this before. I had an old black and white tv I 
could have sold you.


  I was just trying to point out that trying to compare one TV set to
another in a store environment does not really work very well because
the sets will all have different settings for brightness, contrast,
sharpness, color, etc.  Most stores also only use customized
programming to show of their televisions.  You are probably not going
to be able to see the same program source in a store that will be
available in your home.  I think that the best way to evaluate one set
versus another is to read as many user or expert reviews as possible.

  Steve




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD HDTV