Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
It's only anecdotal but I've heard from many people across the country with DSL that they almost always get the lesser service then what they pay for on average. This is exactly what she described. When she dropped it to the service she was actually getting, the actual speed dropped again. I'm sure this is not everyone, but I've heard it enough to believe it happens as often as I hear the cable is shared argument on the other side. Though, here at least in Phoenix, I've never run into a problem of not getting what I paid for and a lot of the time substantially more then what I paid for from cable. Telcos have to move away from twisted pair, max speed is barely high speed compared to FIOS or cable. Mike On Dec 16, 2007 12:04 AM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. Cable uses a first come first served model of delivery. Telcos usually use a capped bandwidth, or a you get what you pay for model. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know. More people are online in the winter. It tends to saturate the head end of a cable service. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. It isn't. They operate over landline, coax instead of twisted pair as is increasingly becoming uncommon with telcos. - Original Message - From: Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Mike said: It's only anecdotal but I've heard from many people across the country with DSL that they almost always get the lesser service then what they pay for on average. This is exactly what she described. When she dropped it to the service she was actually getting, the actual speed dropped again. That's exactly what was happening. I was getting the top speed for my current level of service when I was on the elite level which was the bottom of the speed for that level. Once I changed to a lower service level, I never again got that 3 mbps speedexcept with ATT's own speed test. That test site is consistently faster than any of the other sites I've used and since it is run by ATT, I imagine it is rigged to give optimum results even tho the customer can never actually achieve them. Now that I've got the cable going on my laptop, I can see that my speed it immensely faster even tho it is a windy, snowy ,freezing day and surely all my neighbors are inside and online. Normally I do notice slowdowns on cable when kids are home from school or on weekends but right now at least it's fast compared to the DSL. I think Im going to cancel the DSL. It's a lot cheaper than the cable but maybe I can tell Comcast I'm going to cancel and get a better rate with them. ;-) Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I know this goes against what the cable company says, and what we all believe, but the last few times I've had a problem with my cable connection I've had to use the opposite turn on order to get it going again. Yes, I'm saying I turned on the router and then the modem. If nothing else works, just remember to try it. John DeCarlo wrote: Paula, For getting cable set back up, here are some thoughts for simple steps: 1. Turn off the Cable Modem. 2. Turn off the Apple Airport Extreme router. 3. Turn on the Cable Modem. 4. Look for the Cable Modem light to indicate it is connected. On mine, it is the cable light of the four. 5. Then turn on the router. 6. Reset your connection to the router and see if you are on the Internet now. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I decided to go ahead and set up the ATT DSL and see if I liked it. I had signed up for the elite service which was to give me up to 6000kb/s. Of course she didn't tell me up to but said I'd get 6000 kb/s. I managed to figure out how to turn off the wireless in the ATT modem so I could continue to use my Apple Airport Extreme. It took me all day and part of the evening but I finally had all the computers in the house connected and everyone getting their email...no small thing for me as we get mail from multiple sources and none of them initially would come in with their old settings. My husband who is totally tech ignorant was ranting and raving something about why can't I just leave things alone. ;-) So it was a tense day to say the least but I did get it all figured out. Then I started testing the speed I was getting and it was wy below what she said I would get and was paying extra for...I was only getting 3000 kb/s. She said I should get between 3500 to 6000 kb/s and that maybe I should just downgrade to the next lowest level whose high speed was 3000 kb/s so I'd get the fastest level of that. OK. I did so. Then a few hours later, I was running more tests and the speed was only 1200 to 2200 kb/s in a level that was to guarantee me 1500-3000. From the reading I was doing on DSLreports, it appears they can turn up and down your speed remotely? So would they deliberately make it so you only got the bottom of the level you paid for? Would threatening to cancel make them give me what I paid for? Jim just came out and told me that some video clips that he had been able to play before now tell him that we don't have enough speed for them to play correctlyand they play very jerky. He's definitely not happy and neither am I. I feel like we're getting jerked around with this speed thing. So, I decided to hook the comcast cable back up and unplug the dsl. The cable modem shows activity but I can no longer connect to the internet. I even turned off the wireless and plugged the cable directly into the Mac Pro.shows ethernet is on but no connection. Then I plugged it directly into my laptopsame thing. So the cable, which had been working just fine is now useless and the DSL is too slow for what we need it to do. Besides just bitching and unloading my frustration on here, I am asking for some simple explanation of how these two forms of internet connection work differently and how I can go about getting the cable modem to go back out to the 'net again. Do I have to get down on my knees and cry and beg Comcast to come fix it and promise never to cheat on them again? Can you not have both DSL and cable connections in the same house even if on separate machines? I'm sitting here in Broadband Hell , watching the freezing rain fall on the 1 of snow we got this a.m. and feeling sorry for myself. I have to stop and remember that Tulsa has had no electricity for a week and are getting bombarded yet again. So feel free to smack me upside the head and tell me to get over it! g But if you can get my cable to work again on even one machine I'd be s grateful. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
You can have both, but after the AT$T experience I'd say dump it. The problems you are having are not unusual..AT$T's motto is 'we aren't happy till you aren't happy.' I didn't make that up, I stole it from a podcast. If your cable modem is like mine it has several lights. One of them should be CABLE or some such. It shows you actually have a connection to comcast. If this is not lit, you will most likely have to call comcast. If it is lit, then try changing cables from the cable modem to the computer. Stay connected directly to the cable modem till you figure out your problem as to not add to it by adding other thing that could be having issues. Try leaving the computer off, unplug the power on the cable modem and leave it off a few minutes, plug it back in and see if the cable light comes on and stays on. Once it's on, turn the computer on and try it. Mike On Dec 15, 2007 2:52 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to go ahead and set up the ATT DSL and see if I liked it. I had signed up for the elite service which was to give me up to 6000kb/s. Of course she didn't tell me up to but said I'd get 6000 kb/s. I managed to figure out how to turn off the wireless in the ATT modem so I could continue to use my A. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Paula, For getting cable set back up, here are some thoughts for simple steps: 1. Turn off the Cable Modem. 2. Turn off the Apple Airport Extreme router. 3. Turn on the Cable Modem. 4. Look for the Cable Modem light to indicate it is connected. On mine, it is the cable light of the four. 5. Then turn on the router. 6. Reset your connection to the router and see if you are on the Internet now. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Mike said: .AT$T's motto is 'we aren't happy till you aren't happy.' Funny but sad. I will say that everyone I worked with was very nice and tried hard to make sure everything was going as it should...tho they did screw up the initial order requiring me to cancel everything and start over again with more time on the phone. Tom P said: If you reprogrammed your AirPort router to log you in via the DSL modem it will no longer have the settings to connect you through the cable modem. So, no, it is not as simple as just moving the wire from the DSL modem to the cable modem. I turned off all the routers and other equipment except the cable modem which I plugged straight into my laptop and it did show it was connected but wouldn't go to the 'net. However, I did just unplug the modem and computer and left them off for a while. I just restarted and I have a cable connection now on the laptop using the ethernet cable. So I was able to test my cable speed on there. What I have found is that the 3 different testing web sites I used all gave me very different numbers so I still have no idea what I'm actually getting. The ATT speed test site had me testing the fastest both on DSL and cable : DSL: Download between 2200-2500 kbps; upload between 640-660 kbps Cable: Download 20.114 mbps Upload 1.590 mbps The Test My connection site that Tom recommended: Varied widely depending on location it went to. The Washington DC site was twice as fast as Chicago. DSL Chicago Download 770 kbps to 1.o9 Mbps; Upload around 645 kbps WA DC download 2.85 Mbps Upload 648 kbps Cable: Chicago download 2.93 Mbps Upload 1.59 Mbps WA DC download 5.49 Mbps Upload 1.59 mbps The DSLreports site DSL Download 1630 kbsp Upload 580 kbps Cable download 11249 kbps Upload 1542 kbps So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. Cable uses a first come first served model of delivery. Telcos usually use a capped bandwidth, or a you get what you pay for model. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know. More people are online in the winter. It tends to saturate the head end of a cable service. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. It isn't. They operate over landline, coax instead of twisted pair as is increasingly becoming uncommon with telcos. - Original Message - From: Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
No worries on that end, filter is in the right place. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 3:34 PM, Mike Sloane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do realize that the filter goes on the voice line, not the data line, right? I am not trying to be sarcastic - it is an easy mistake to make. Mike mike wrote: I've tried 3 different filters. No go. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 12:36 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. DSL *can be* faster. In practice it is often a lot slower. DSL bandwith is dedicated to you and is throttled back to give you the speed you pay for. Cable is shared so your speed depends on who you are sharing with. As we have seen recently with Comcast, it can also be limited in various ways. DSL is usually more reliable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. So go buy yourself a better filter. They don't cost much. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
It could be, I've been meaning to do some rearranging of my phone lines and I'll probably set it up the way you have it. mike On 12/11/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried 3 different filters. No go. Maybe something else is going wrong? This is just a simple low pass filter that keeps the high frequency signal away from the phones. At my house instead of fussing with lots of filters I just used one at the head end to split off POTS from the data line. To use the filter with a punch-down block I had to take the filter apart. I found the arrangement of wires mattered more for the filter than it did for regular POTS. The phone would work, but the filter would not. Perhaps you have some of your POTS wires flipped? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
How differently each of us sees things. I was forced into 1.5mbit over a year ago and have been suffering ever since. I can't do more then one thing at a time. I used to download all my podcasts in a minute or so, now i'm waiting almost an hour for all of them to update one or two at a time because there isn't enough bandwith to do them at once. If I have BT going forget it...I get knocked off *IRC* when I'm on BT. Let me rephrase...*I get knocked off IRC basically just text chat* when I'm using BT.Ridiculous I have to pay 25 a month for this. No email, no usenet. Not that I can use a local POP account anyway because downloading the msgs takes forever. I've switched to gmail and at the moment I write this, I'm in basic HTML view because my bandwith is so bad gmail has asked if I want to switch from standard view. /done mike On 12/11/07, Mike Sloane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Verizon DSL in northwestern NJ, and the service is excellent, no problems with voice interfering with date or visa versa. Neither Cable nor FIOS are option in my rural area, but I am more than satisfied with the line speed (about 1.5 mb/sec down and about half that up). And since I get voice and data over the same line, the price ends up being very reasonable. In the several years I have had the service, I have only lost service once, when a pole was hit by a car in an ice storm last year. I guess the quality of service in different parts of the country varies, and I am just lucky. Mike mike wrote: I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. Qwest will do nothing about the lack of speed, line noise or that I pay a horrendous amount for what I'm getting. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 9:01 AM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to call ATT for a question about my phone bill and they talked me into trying out their DSL internet. It was cheaper than comcast cable so I agreed to try it out. Does anyone have any experience with it? Does it really work even if Im on the phone at the same time I'm trying to access the 'net? Have they been reliable? I'm not ditching Comcast until Im sure it works but I have only 30 days to cancel before I'm charged $99 for cancelling. If they have a rep for giving you good service until AFTER the 30 days, I'd like to know. Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
you don't have to change your setup, you can set the dsl modem up in DMZ mode...essentially making it a straight passthru device like a cable modem. Mike On Dec 12, 2007 6:38 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. I just bought...and lovean Airport extreme and want to use it. According to the instructions in the box, I have to use the ATT modem and set up wireless thru that. No way. Does anyone know if I can keep using the modem I currently use for Comcast and plug the DSL cable into that? It's much more complicated than I had anticipated just because I'm not new to this and want to keep my equipment the way it is now. Thanks guys. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
That is also what I had to do with my DSL modem (Westel) and it worked like a charm afterwards. You have to find the right tech person to help you, or look up the settings in the book. Stewart At 07:43 AM 12/13/2007, you wrote: I had a similar situation and I was able to put the DSL modem into bridge mode and bypass its router/firewall functions entirely. Of course, I had my own router/firewall I used in its place. Finding out how to get the modem into bridge mode did take some research. on Wed, 12 Dec, Paula Minor wrote: The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I had a similar situation and I was able to put the DSL modem into bridge mode and bypass its router/firewall functions entirely. Of course, I had my own router/firewall I used in its place. Finding out how to get the modem into bridge mode did take some research. on Wed, 12 Dec, Paula Minor wrote: The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Rev. Stewart Marshall Let me correct myself DSL modems are different than Cable modems. Why doesn't he just remove the antennas? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Paula Minor Wayne D: Why doesn't he just remove the antennas? I think you're talking to me, Wayne. There are no antennas to remove on the ATT modem. An ATT guy came today to check my line and turn snip Well that answers that question ... nothing to remove. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm hunting tagwines! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Rev. Stewart Marshall Because it is still acting as a router and can interfere with another router/wireless access point. What needs to be done is turn the routing function off in the DSL modem and set it as bridge so it gets logged in by the router (ppoe?) and then the router handles all assignments of IP#'s wired and wireless. But doesn't the antenna removal pretty much kill the wireless portion? Without a doubt, setting the right configuration is the best solution unless this is a temporary kind of deal. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm hunting tagwines! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Qwest. One of my friends who is on cox cable and lives about two miles away gets regular download speeds of 12mbit. I count myself lucky if I get 1. We had some problems last year with Verizon DSL basic service. It was slow, dropping off, after having it for a year with no problems. I insisted that they have a technician inspect the sines between our house and the switch. They found an intermittent short in their lines and repaired it. That fixed the drop-offs. Verizon DSL service has been reliable and consistent since we got it a few years ago. After the first year they raised the price, naturally. I asked for a deal, and they gave me 4 months free service, then the rest of the year at the increased price, which ended up being cheaper. Verizon DSL online now has an offer of $14.95/month forever for basic service. I got that last week. If they price goes down [hahahahaha] they'll adjust it down. When ATT or other competition comes in, they may have another offer for faster speed at a low price. When can we get 40 Gbps speeds like this, http://snipurl.com/1v69m, with 1500 HDTV channels _simultaneously_ Pull quote: The most difficult part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC, ... Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. I just bought...and lovean Airport extreme and want to use it. According to the instructions in the box, I have to use the ATT modem and set up wireless thru that. No way. Does anyone know if I can keep using the modem I currently use for Comcast and plug the DSL cable into that? It's much more complicated than I had anticipated just because I'm not new to this and want to keep my equipment the way it is now. Thanks guys. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Let me correct myself DSL modems are different than Cable modems. Stewart At 08:22 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: NO! DSL modems are completely different than DSL modems. You need to contact ATT and see about getting a plain jane DSL modem. I can understand them wanting you to use theirs and I can understand you wanting to use yours. When I had DSL I went through a few (I mean a few) tech calls trying to get my DSL modem to do just that be a modem and not a router. When I found the right Tech guy it just took one change of a field in the modem setup and all was OK. Stewart At 07:38 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: The box with my DSL ATT stuff arrived today and Im not sure I'm going to even try to install it. I hadn't realized that their modem was also the wireless box. I have NO intention of redoing my wireless network again. I just bought...and lovean Airport extreme and want to use it. According to the instructions in the box, I have to use the ATT modem and set up wireless thru that. No way. Does anyone know if I can keep using the modem I currently use for Comcast and plug the DSL cable into that? It's much more complicated than I had anticipated just because I'm not new to this and want to keep my equipment the way it is now. Thanks guys. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I use Verizon DSL, so I can't address the service question. As for DSL itself, I have no complaints - fast (relative to the dial-up modem it replace) and so far trouble-free (we've been on it for about a year). Interference with the phone is eliminated by in-line noise filters. Though the data and voice are carried over the same wires, their transmission characteristics keep them in effect separate. But without the filters, they interfere. My big complaint is inability to use the compute to fax. If anyone has a workaround, I'm all ears. Dan Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/2007 11:01 AM I had to call ATT for a question about my phone bill and they talked me into trying out their DSL internet. It was cheaper than comcast cable so I agreed to try it out. Does anyone have any experience with it? Does it really work even if Im on the phone at the same time I'm trying to access the 'net? Have they been reliable? I'm not ditching Comcast until Im sure it works but I have only 30 days to cancel before I'm charged $99 for cancelling. If they have a rep for giving you good service until AFTER the 30 days, I'd like to know. Thanks! Paula IN/USA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. Qwest will do nothing about the lack of speed, line noise or that I pay a horrendous amount for what I'm getting. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 9:01 AM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to call ATT for a question about my phone bill and they talked me into trying out their DSL internet. It was cheaper than comcast cable so I agreed to try it out. Does anyone have any experience with it? Does it really work even if Im on the phone at the same time I'm trying to access the 'net? Have they been reliable? I'm not ditching Comcast until Im sure it works but I have only 30 days to cancel before I'm charged $99 for cancelling. If they have a rep for giving you good service until AFTER the 30 days, I'd like to know. Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I had to call ATT for a question about my phone bill and they talked me into trying out their DSL internet. It was cheaper than comcast cable so I agreed to try it out. Does anyone have any experience with it? I use Verizon at home and office. Works fine. My impression is that the kinks have been worked out of the system. Getting DSL is not the problem it used to be (at least in the DC area). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. DSL *can be* faster. In practice it is often a lot slower. DSL bandwith is dedicated to you and is throttled back to give you the speed you pay for. Cable is shared so your speed depends on who you are sharing with. As we have seen recently with Comcast, it can also be limited in various ways. DSL is usually more reliable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. So go buy yourself a better filter. They don't cost much. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I've tried 3 different filters. No go. Maybe something else is going wrong? This is just a simple low pass filter that keeps the high frequency signal away from the phones. At my house instead of fussing with lots of filters I just used one at the head end to split off POTS from the data line. To use the filter with a punch-down block I had to take the filter apart. I found the arrangement of wires mattered more for the filter than it did for regular POTS. The phone would work, but the filter would not. Perhaps you have some of your POTS wires flipped? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
I have Verizon DSL in northwestern NJ, and the service is excellent, no problems with voice interfering with date or visa versa. Neither Cable nor FIOS are option in my rural area, but I am more than satisfied with the line speed (about 1.5 mb/sec down and about half that up). And since I get voice and data over the same line, the price ends up being very reasonable. In the several years I have had the service, I have only lost service once, when a pole was hit by a car in an ice storm last year. I guess the quality of service in different parts of the country varies, and I am just lucky. Mike mike wrote: I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. Qwest will do nothing about the lack of speed, line noise or that I pay a horrendous amount for what I'm getting. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 9:01 AM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to call ATT for a question about my phone bill and they talked me into trying out their DSL internet. It was cheaper than comcast cable so I agreed to try it out. Does anyone have any experience with it? Does it really work even if Im on the phone at the same time I'm trying to access the 'net? Have they been reliable? I'm not ditching Comcast until Im sure it works but I have only 30 days to cancel before I'm charged $99 for cancelling. If they have a rep for giving you good service until AFTER the 30 days, I'd like to know. Thanks! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
You do realize that the filter goes on the voice line, not the data line, right? I am not trying to be sarcastic - it is an easy mistake to make. Mike mike wrote: I've tried 3 different filters. No go. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 12:36 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have DSL but not ATT DSL. DSL is slower then cable, so if speed is what you are after I'd stick with cable. DSL *can be* faster. In practice it is often a lot slower. DSL bandwith is dedicated to you and is throttled back to give you the speed you pay for. Cable is shared so your speed depends on who you are sharing with. As we have seen recently with Comcast, it can also be limited in various ways. DSL is usually more reliable. Also in my case, the line noise filters don't work very well. So go buy yourself a better filter. They don't cost much. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
DSL *can be* faster. In practice it is often a lot slower. DSL bandwith is dedicated to you and is throttled back to give you the speed you pay for. Cable is shared so your speed depends on who you are sharing with. As we have seen recently with Comcast, it can also be limited in various ways. DSL is usually more reliable. Well, I'm going to have their elite level with supposedly very fast speeds. In evenings and on weekends my Comcast connection really drags along most of the time. And I have suspected that they have stopped some of my downloads at times. I was redownloading a lot of files from iTunes and after a short time they'd just stop and I had to restart them...sometimes many times. It will be interesting to see how much difference I notice. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
How differently each of us sees things. I was forced into 1.5mbit over a year ago and have been suffering ever since. I can't do more then one thing at a time. I used to download all my podcasts in a minute or so, now i'm waiting almost an hour for all of them to update one or two at a time because there isn't enough bandwith to do them at once. If I have BT going forget it...I get knocked off *IRC* when I'm on BT. Let me rephrase...*I get knocked off IRC basically just text chat* when I'm using BT Mike, who is your service through? I definitely want to avoid them! I get dozens of podcasts in and stream radio and surf all at the same time. When I asked the ATT rep what speed Id get with the elite service the number 6000 was mentioned but I didn't catch what the 6000 was. I'm pretty sure I'm not getting close to it tho on Comcast. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
ATT tried to do the same to me. I figured that I would be getting something more reliable, but slower. I opted to wait until FIOS was in the neighborhood. It may be worthwhile to you to have the reliability over the speed. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own No, John, speed is everything! g Comcast has been reliable enough but slows down to a crawl when kids get home from school or over the weekends. It would be nice not to deal with that. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
Qwest. One of my friends who is on cox cable and lives about two miles away gets regular download speeds of 12mbit. I count myself lucky if I get 1. Mike On Dec 11, 2007 6:48 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How differently each of us sees things. I was forced into 1.5mbit over a year ago and have been suffering ever since. I can't do more then one thing at a time. I used to download all my podcasts in a minute or so, now i'm waiting almost an hour for all of them to update one or two at a time because there isn't enough bandwith to do them at once. If I have BT going forget it...I get knocked off *IRC* when I'm on BT. Let me rephrase...*I get knocked off IRC basically just text chat* when I'm using BT Mike, who is your service through? I definitely want to avoid them! I get dozens of podcasts in and stream radio and surf all at the same time. When I asked the ATT rep what speed Id get with the elite service the number 6000 was mentioned but I didn't catch what the 6000 was. I'm pretty sure I'm not getting close to it tho on Comcast. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok?
Recently this past summer, I signed up for my local Telco's 6 mp DSL Internet service. Got the modem, hooked it up, changed the router info to log me in automatically, and I was off to the races one small program. Drop offs. Every so often I would drop off. My messenger programs would stop, and then start again. I was wondering if I had a problem so I called tech support, and they called a guy out to check the lines. Turns out even though I live well close enough to the switch (your speed will drop off the farther you are from their switch) the technician said the signal was not strong enough to sustain 6 mps so he had them throttle me back to 1.5mp. Well that is not what I signed up for nor what I was paying for so I let them know. Turns out the quality of their lines cannot sustain the higher speed. Supposedly they have fixed it, but I am not going to bite until I know for sure they got it. Meanwhile the cable company has come out with 10mps service. I will stick with my 5mps at present. DSL depends on many different things to get a quality signal. Closeness to the switch, quality of their lines, quality of your lines, and finally the quality of their service. We have a small regional Telco and their quality level is medium. Our Cable company is one of the top 5 but because all of the above figure into Cable service (except for #1) that means you may have excellent service with them in location A but lousy service with them in location B. Telcos tend to be more consistent. Stewart At 08:07 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote: Qwest. One of my friends who is on cox cable and lives about two miles away gets regular download speeds of 12mbit. I count myself lucky if I get 1. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
