Re: [CGUYS] Memory
Thanks for the input. Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's perspective is accurate, maybe Crucial moves out older, slower memory faster. I can remember when Crucial's prices were higher than others, but I expect price competition online has driven their prices down. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
Crucial guarantees their memory selections to work in your computer which takes the worry out of the whole process. Richard P. Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's perspective is accurate, maybe Crucial moves out older, slower memory faster. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
Check out Newegg they do have some. Stewart At 08:38 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote: Thanks for the input. Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's perspective is accurate, maybe Crucial moves out older, slower memory faster. I can remember when Crucial's prices were higher than others, but I expect price competition online has driven their prices down. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
I'm sure Newegg is good too. I usually get computer stuff from OWC, but I purchased from Crucial this time. I've never had any trouble finding the right memory, and never had a problem with what I got. But I've only managed about 10 computers in the last few years, almost all Macs, so my experience is very limited. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Check out Newegg they do have some. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
Crucial guarantees their memory selections to work in your computer which takes the worry out of the whole process. Just about everybody does. When DataMem once sold me the wrong memory for a printer they very quickly and diligently researched the correct type, FedExed the right memory to me, and sent me a check for the difference in price. BTW, getting info on printer memory can be tricky because printer manufacturers often try to keep the details a secret. They want to sell their special memory at very high prices, like 10 times what DataMem charged. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Memory
I was looking at upgrading the memory for my wife's 1.67GHz PowerBook G4. Crucial recommends DDR2 PC2-5300, while OWC and DMS both have the DDR2 PC2-4200, which is the type of the memory that is in her computer now. Does anyone know why this variation is OK? I don't know how it would come out including shipping costs, but Crucial's price was as good or better than the others. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
PC2-5300 is actually faster than 4200. Memory can slow itself for the buss but can never speed itself up to match a buss speed. I also am not sure that they sell PC2-4200 memory much anymore. Most of what I see starts at 5300 and it is relatively cheap. Stewart At 06:22 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: I was looking at upgrading the memory for my wife's 1.67GHz PowerBook G4. Crucial recommends DDR2 PC2-5300, while OWC and DMS both have the DDR2 PC2-4200, which is the type of the memory that is in her computer now. Does anyone know why this variation is OK? I don't know how it would come out including shipping costs, but Crucial's price was as good or better than the others. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:22:51 -0500, Jordan wrote: I was looking at upgrading the memory for my wife's 1.67GHz PowerBook G4. Crucial recommends DDR2 PC2-5300, while OWC and DMS both have the [. . .] I don't know how it would come out including shipping costs, but Crucial's price was as good or better than the others. They recommend the same for my Toshiba. Price from Crucial was $13 (plus shipping/tax) for a 1G stick. Another place was $19. For shits-and-grins I checked at Best Buy. . .$80 . -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] memory dump thread
Larry What is the kernal memory dump? unselected options wherever I was are: full mem dump or short mem dump or none. Is this something that the system needs to do or what? I did a search for this %SystemRoot%\MEMORY.DMP and it brought up Memory.dmp When I clicked on it, I got this error Windows cannot find c:\windows\memory.dmp Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such an old computer. INFO: Dell Optiplex GX240 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache Bus 100 MHz. Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB (1) I can't find a way to enter the service tag for the Dell computer at the Dell web site; (2) Googeling the computer model, I see that a 512 MB memory card costs about $65 -- this would replace the 128 MB memory to upgrade to at total of 768 MB (3) Looking at Task Manager, a single program with a few directory windows open shows that only 10 -- 30 MB of RAM are available QUESTIONS: (1) Would additional memory significantly increase the speed of the computer? (2) If the answer to the above is yes, would it be reasonable to spend money to upgrade such an old computer? (3) Is there a place to buy the needed memory much cheaper than the $65/half-GB memory? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
You've got a bigger problem. To _really_ come up to speed, she needs all the niceties in WinXP (or Vista). You can throw a gig or two of ram at that Win2k install but you'll never get it up to today's standards. This system would make a nice internet enabled backup for guests, but it's too aged for a personal machine. On Feb 18, 2008 7:52 PM, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such an old computer. INFO: Dell Optiplex GX240 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache Bus 100 MHz. Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
Simply yes! 2000 likes 512 MB minimum. It loves 1 GB. (Similar engine to XP) Crucial shows max memory of 1 GB with 512 SDRAM 133 simms. Now to be honest is it worth that money to bump the memory up or is it time tog et a new computer, as this is old technology. (At least 3 cycles old by my count.) Stewart At 06:52 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such an old computer. INFO: Dell Optiplex GX240 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache Bus 100 MHz. Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB (1) I can't find a way to enter the service tag for the Dell computer at the Dell web site; (2) Googeling the computer model, I see that a 512 MB memory card costs about $65 -- this would replace the 128 MB memory to upgrade to at total of 768 MB (3) Looking at Task Manager, a single program with a few directory windows open shows that only 10 -- 30 MB of RAM are available QUESTIONS: (1) Would additional memory significantly increase the speed of the computer? (2) If the answer to the above is yes, would it be reasonable to spend money to upgrade such an old computer? (3) Is there a place to buy the needed memory much cheaper than the $65/half-GB memory? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Memory for indigo iMac
I just got a slot-loading CRT iMac G3/500 that, naturally, doesn't have enough memory. Is there any place I can get 2x512MB at a price that's not 3X more than what I paid for the iMac [$20]? Specs call for PC100 SDRAM DIMMs. Can I use PC133? [yes, it will ignore the extra 33MHz, I have PC133 in my PM G4 that requires PC100] Can I use RAM for PCs? which configuration? Will this work: Description: 512MB PC133 SDRAM 168-PIN DIMM 64X64-75 64x4 16Chip High Density; Major Brand:Micron/Samsung/Hitachi/Infineon/Hyundai ? Do I need to use low density instead? Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
er, what's the problem with Flash? John DeCarlo wrote: On 8/6/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a Firefox plug-in to control the execution of Flash. Tools Add-ons Extensions Get Extensions etc. The big culprit is Flash. I hate it where web sites use Flash when HTML or any other video works better--and there's no alternate path. Might not be Paula's problem, but I've had trouble with Flash from the first time I saw it on a web site I love FlashBlock. It shows a little icon wherever Flash would be. If you move your mouse there, it turns into a play button, if you want to play it. Some sites show seven or eight Flash, including three or four Flash ads. If I actually want to play a Flash video, I just click on it. I couldn't navigate the Internet comfortably without it. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
As stated earlier in this thread, it's a huge CPU hog, among other things. Turn on a CPU monitor and then go to a web page that has it and watch you computer work, hard. Judy Cosler wrote: er, what's the problem with Flash? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Looks like there may be more than one thing amiss. Need to clear things out to get a better picture of what is causeing your CPU problem. This shutting down of OSX is happening EVERY night now but doesn't occur when I leave the same things running all day. Again this a.m. I had the transparent box telling me OSX had shut down and to turn off the computer. I don't know of anything that I've set to run over night. Do any of you have any idea what might be trying to run and is shutting me down? Thanks Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question...Betty
Have you tried to run X on another account? As admin, you'll be able to use your files. Does the second account crash? Which maintenance utilities have you used? I've fou No I haven't tried that Betty. I will make a new account and see what happens. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
Have you checked your logs to see what time it's doing it? Same time every night? What programs are running, any errors before it shuts down in the log? Mike On 8/8/07, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Looks like there may be more than one thing amiss. Need to clear things out to get a better picture of what is causeing your CPU problem. This shutting down of OSX is happening EVERY night now but doesn't occur when I leave the same things running all day. Again this a.m. I had the transparent box telling me OSX had shut down and to turn off the computer. I don't know of anything that I've set to run over night. Do any of you have any idea what might be trying to run and is shutting me down? Thanks Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question...Betty
At this point I would start by letting it run all night with NO applications running. If it still has problems , then you've eliminated a lot of questions. If it did still have problems, I'd install OS X on an external HD and see how that runs. I have a little partition on a Firewire HD just in case I need to answer such questions. (I actually had an iMac with a hardware problem that took apple a while to give up on. They finally sent me a new iMac. And, they didn't even want the less than 1 yr old one back. Long story, but I recently got the old one out to further experiment with what it will and won't do before it has a kernel crash.) If you still have problems then I'd start checking and/or removing memory and check other hardware, or just take it to Apple. Jordan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
Have you checked your logs to see what time it's doing it? Same time every night? What programs are running, any errors before it shuts down in the log? Where do I find the logs? Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
0pen a Finder window and search for logs. There are some in Mac HD/Library/Logs and others in (your name)/Library/Logs Paula Minor wrote: Have you checked your logs to see what time it's doing it? Same time every night? What programs are running, any errors before it shuts down in the log? Where do I find the logs? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
Where do I find the logs? Run Console from the Utilities menu. Click on the Logs icon in the toolbar. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question.....Tom?
Re: Memory question.Tom? But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Looks like there may be more than one thing amiss. Need to clear things out to get a better picture of what is causeing your CPU problem. This shutting down of OSX is happening EVERY night now but doesn't occur when I leave the same things running all day. Again this a.m. I had the transparent box telling me OSX had shut down and to turn off the computer. I don't know of anything that I've set to run over night. Do any of you have any idea what might be trying to run and is shutting me down? Are you sure that your computer isn't scheduled to shut down and you forgot about that setting? Was it a shut down or definitely a crash? Are there any crash reports? ~/Library/Logs/Crash reporter Use the Console utility to see logs. Did you remove RAM and test to see if the memory is bad? Remove RAM chips one at a time and run your Mac for a few days. Do you have an Apple Hardware Test CD that shipped with your Mac?? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Looks like there may be more than one thing amiss. Need to clear things out to get a better picture of what is causeing your CPU problem. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
But, would the flash things running overnight on a Mozilla type browser cause OSX to close? Mozilla's browsers have had a memory leak bug on and off for a long time. The leak can cause the browser to crash, but I haven't seen it crash OS X. [Mozilla doesn't install anything in root.] Running Flash uses a lot of memory and magnifies the memory leak. Have you tried to run X on another account? As admin, you'll be able to use your files. Does the second account crash? Which maintenance utilities have you used? I've found Yasu works well for my Mac, http://jimmitchell.org/projects/yasu/, but OnyX can be more helpful and fun, http://www.titanium.free.fr/ [and dangerous]. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
I'm maxed on RAM with 2.5 gb. I don't really understand how Mac handles ram tho. It always looks like I'm almost out of it and am using a lot of virtual rameven when I'm not running much. Do you have a PPC or an Intel Mac? If it is an Intel Mac you should check in Activity Monitor that all your running applications are Universal not Power PC. To see this right-click on the column headings or use View menu to activate Kind. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
There is a Firefox plug-in to control the execution of Flash. Tools Add-ons Extensions Get Extensions etc. The big culprit is Flash. I hate it where web sites use Flash when HTML or any other video works better--and there's no alternate path. Might not be Paula's problem, but I've had trouble with Flash from the first time I saw it on a web site * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On 8/6/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a Firefox plug-in to control the execution of Flash. Tools Add-ons Extensions Get Extensions etc. The big culprit is Flash. I hate it where web sites use Flash when HTML or any other video works better--and there's no alternate path. Might not be Paula's problem, but I've had trouble with Flash from the first time I saw it on a web site I love FlashBlock. It shows a little icon wherever Flash would be. If you move your mouse there, it turns into a play button, if you want to play it. Some sites show seven or eight Flash, including three or four Flash ads. If I actually want to play a Flash video, I just click on it. I couldn't navigate the Internet comfortably without it. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Woke up this a.m. to find OSX had quit again. It seems to happen every night now. I don't have any backups running then. I do set the computer to sleep after about 1/2 hr. I did forget to restart it in safemode when I went to bed. Right now, with only mail running the CPU is running between 5% and 16% if I'm not typing. Paula -- do the open pages in Camino have Flash ads? Can you install a Flash blocker? Does that make a difference? Yes, two of them have flash ads. I'll see if Safari can turn those off. Interestingly, Macworld weekly email newsletter just came in with an article on tracking down processor hogs. It didn't tell me anything new tho...and nothing to indicate why I keep shutting down. Even my Windows machine didn't blue screen this often! I'll keep working on this tho. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Today I downloaded a version of Flashblock that finally works with SeaMonkey. I've used Flashblock with Firefox for ages, but it's not my primary browser. Best thing is that it worked immediately--before quitting and restarting the program! [I'd better back it up before it breaks] Happy Happy Joy Joy!! There is a Firefox plug-in to control the execution of Flash. Tools Add-ons Extensions Get Extensions etc. The big culprit is Flash. I hate it where web sites use Flash when HTML or any other video works better--and there's no alternate path. Might not be Paula's problem, but I've had trouble with Flash from the first time I saw it on a web site I love FlashBlock. It shows a little icon wherever Flash would be. If you move your mouse there, it turns into a play button, if you want to play it. Some sites show seven or eight Flash, including three or four Flash ads. If I actually want to play a Flash video, I just click on it. I couldn't navigate the Internet comfortably without it. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It seems you have no shortage of good advice here but: If I were you I'd look closer at each CPU hog and see what it's doing or if there are settings you could change to stop this behavior. For example, there are certainly setting in Camino you could alter, but I'd start by closing one tab at a time while watching the CPU cycles on Activity Monitor. There's a weather web page that I use http://www.wunderground.com/satellite/vis/1k/US/PA/Aspers.html?theprefset=OLDSATtheprefvalue=0 that will make any browser jump to around 30% usage. But it only does it while it's the clicked tab. Alternatively of course, you could just open one tab at a time and watch for the abuser. Paula Minor wrote: Well, initially it wouldn't start up in safe mode. It hung at the white screen with the apple logo and the spinning dial. So I shut it down after about 5 mins and started again. It took almost 5 min. but did finally start up. I have Camino open with all the tabs I usually have open(10 tabs) , mail, Windows media player because I wanted to listen to Mike Malloy show but...sadly, I have no sounds. I unplugged my external speakers thinking that I could use the built in speaker but no go. so Im not going to run in safe mode for long. Too quiet around here. Also have Photoshop CS2 with 2 photos open and iTunes. iTunes won't play either since I have no sound.It doesn't even try to play a song. And all of my widgets are running as usual. The cpu seems to vary between about 44% to around 58% most of the time with spikes up to 100%. I'm not sure how long I need to run on this to see if Camino is going to slow it down but will leave it running overnight with all this stuff open. I really miss having my special buttons on my Logitech rollerball! When you get used to using your thumb to change things with a click or do a screen shot with a click, the basic two buttons feel crippled. One thing that happened when trying to boot into safe mode the first time...when it got hung up a loud whirring sound started that sounded like a very loud fan blowing. I have heard this before when OSX decided to quit. Not every time but enough times that I'm aware of it. I have no idea if it's anything unusual or not. And to make things a bit worse.one of my dogs ran by very fast and bumped into the small table that my Macbook Pro is sitting on and knocked it off. It fell flat on it's top with a very loud bang. I have not had the courage to start it upI might have to kill the dog. JUST KIDDING! I have 7 dogs and am obviously an animal lover. Thanks Tom for your suggestions and encouragement. Wish you were able to make housecalls in Indy. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Paula, lose the widgets. Set up a larger swap file for Photoshop. Mine's on a separate drive [it's in the prefs somewhere; in my ps you can select up to 4 swap disks]. Does Camino have a memory leak like other Moz browsers? I use some beta versions just so I can have a debug menu. Can you add more RAM? Hi, Betty. I did turn off the widgets. got up this a.m. and OSX had shut down on me again. But, right now...even with my widgets running, the cpu is going up and down between 6% and 25%. The culprit with that, at least, seems to have been Camino. I switched to Safari instead. I don't like it much but will get used to it. I'm maxed on RAM with 2.5 gb. I don't really understand how Mac handles ram tho. It always looks like I'm almost out of it and am using a lot of virtual rameven when I'm not running much. I don't know what caused it to shut down last night but I did do a screen shot of the report on it. It can be seen here: http:// homepage.mac.com/raven880/FileSharing1.html I will reboot in safe mode again tonight and see what happens. Last night I was booted up normally tho I had turned off all the widgets and extra programs. re: my sig line..It's a vain attempt to convince myself I am NOT getting old. I turned 60 on the 23rd and simply refuse to believe I can be THAT OLD! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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If I were you I'd look closer at each CPU hog and see what it's doing or if there are settings you could change to stop this behavior. For example, there are certainly setting in Camino you could alter, but I'd start by closing o Thanks, Jordman. I've dumped Camino as it seemed to have a real problem using resources. I can keep the same tabs open with Safari and use far less CPU time. But I've been watching the monitor and am baffled by one thing. When it shows, say User29%, System 14%, when I look up at the individual processes, they don't seem to add up to that much. Most of them say 0.00 or 0.10...all very low except for whichever program I am actively using like Mail right now is 10% and a few others around 5%. And none of it accounts for OSX suddenly quitting. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It seems you have no shortage of good advice here but: If I were you I'd look closer at each CPU hog and see what it's doing or if there are settings you could change to stop this behavior. For example, there are certainly setting in Camino you could alter, but I'd start by closing one tab at a time while watching the CPU cycles on Activity Monitor. There's a weather web page that I use http://www.wunderground.com/satellite/vis/1k/US/PA/Aspers.html?theprefset=OLDSATtheprefvalue=0 that will make any browser jump to around 30% usage. But it only does it while it's the clicked tab. Alternatively of course, you could just open one tab at a time and watch for the abuser. I just tried your link in Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.0a1pre, and the %CPU went from 5-15% all they way up to 70%; and it being a developer copy, it crashed just as I was repairing the memory leak. The big culprit is Flash. I hate it where web sites use Flash when HTML or any other video works better--and there's no alternate path. Might not be Paula's problem, but I've had trouble with Flash from the first time I saw it on a web site. It's inappropriate for use on the web, until we can get Euro or Japan/Korea broadband speeds and we can all afford to buy the newest, fastest computers every year. I don't hate Flash, per se. I make Flash videos. It's just not appropriate for web sites when no alternates are offered. Buy me a new computer! Pay for my 10-50+Mbps broadband!!! Why is fast broadband SOOO EXPENSIVE in the US? -- and just not available in many cases? Flash sites make my DSL act like I'm using a 1200 baud modem. Paula -- do the open pages in Camino have Flash ads? Can you install a Flash blocker? Does that make a difference? Betty --- The hours spent looking for important documents are not wasted. Consider it a part of your security system. After all, if you can't find them, neither can a theif. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Well, initially it wouldn't start up in safe mode. It hung at the white screen with the apple logo and the spinning dial. So I shut it down after about 5 mins and started again. It took almost 5 min. but did finally start up. At that point it was doing a disk repair and it lools like you really needed it. This was not a good time to force quit. Sometimes at this stage the Mac will even restart on its own and then continue with the disk repair. I have Camino open with all the tabs I usually have open(10 tabs) , mail, Windows media player because I wanted to listen to Mike Malloy show but...sadly, I have no sounds. Well that explains the high load. Maybe you should try your streaming with iTunes? Also have Photoshop CS2 with 2 photos open and iTunes. PS is a memory hog. How big are the photos? If big then you should follow Adobe's instructions on memory management. And all of my widgets are running as usual. You are trying to murder your Mac. One rogue Widget can cause a lot of trouble. Get Widget Manager and use it. The cpu seems to vary between about 44% to around 58% most of the time Way too high. with spikes up to 100%. I really miss having my special buttons on my Logitech rollerball! Now I'm starting to think you are pulling my leg. Do you routinely drive your car through ditches and then complain about the rough ride? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Now I'm starting to think you are pulling my leg. Do you routinely drive your car through ditches and then complain about the rough ride? I'm chuckling here. g I do run my truck thru ditches from time to time but I don't complain. I do expect it to perform as it was intended. ;-) Yes, I expect my machines to run whatever software is made for them. Or was it the rollerball that made you keel over? LOL I left it open overnight with Lightroom with several hundred thumbnails open in the library, Photoshop CS2 with 2 large photo files open, mail, Camino with 8 tabs, Palm Desktop,(thought it might be the problem) , system preferences, dashboard with several widgets and iTunes all running. It's still working fine, almost briskly , this a.m. The CPU load is around 45-54% most of the time. You said that was too high. With so many big programs running at once, what would you consider normal for the CPU? If the Logitech multibutton rollerball is the issue.seems I've heard of problems in the past with Logitech drivers..do you or anyone have a suggestion for a mouse/rollerball that is more stable and has programable buttons. I use those constantly instead of reaching for the keyboard to do things. Well that explains the high load. Maybe you should try your streaming with iTunes? I did. No sound. iTunes wouldn't play anything. At that point it was doing a disk repair and it lools like you really needed it. I had already run disk repair a few days ago and after that, it said it was ok. As my dropped laptop has a non-functioning screen now..things fall apart in bunches, it seems.I have to go to the Apple Store today anyway. I'll look for a new mouse because I have a feeling it is the rollerball that has caused my problems. First tho I'll reboot normally, with the external speakers still unplugged, and see if the flakiness returns. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I left it open overnight with Lightroom with several hundred thumbnails open in the library, Photoshop CS2 with 2 large photo files open, mail, Camino with 8 tabs, Palm Desktop,(thought it might be the problem) , system preferences, dashboard with several widgets and iTunes all running. It's still working fine, almost briskly , this a.m. The CPU load is around 45-54% most of the time. You said that was too high. With so many big programs running at once, what would you consider normal for the CPU? Just having all this stuff open is not in itself going to consume any cpu cycles. The stuff just sits there waiting for you to do something. Should be close to zero. Activity Monitor will use some cycles because it is actively monitoring. If you are not now hitting 100% is strongly suggests that the bad actor is not running in safe mode. Now you have to hunt down the bad actor. If Camino is open to web pages that have running Flash animations that will consume CPU cycles. Does Camino have a menu item that halts animations? You could pull the .kext for Logitech from its Extensions folder and restart to see if that fixes things. Do you have any login items that could be disabled? Did you get Widget Manager and use it? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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What I was thinking about was OS X 10.4.10 Update v1.1 Tom Piwowar wrote: I thought that X.4.11 is only for the intell Macs. It is not out yet, so you should not be thinking anything yet. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Well that explains the high load. Maybe you should try your streaming with iTunes? Also have Photoshop CS2 with 2 photos open and iTunes. PS is a memory hog. How big are the photos? If big then you should follow Adobe's instructions on memory management. And all of my widgets are running as usual. You are trying to murder your Mac. One rogue Widget can cause a lot of trouble. Get Widget Manager and use it. The cpu seems to vary between about 44% to around 58% most of the time Way too high. with spikes up to 100%. I really miss having my special buttons on my Logitech rollerball! Now I'm starting to think you are pulling my leg. Do you routinely drive your car through ditches and then complain about the rough ride? That's right, except she skids through. Paula sez: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! Sounds like fun. Paula, lose the widgets. Set up a larger swap file for Photoshop. Mine's on a separate drive [it's in the prefs somewhere; in my ps you can select up to 4 swap disks]. Does Camino have a memory leak like other Moz browsers? I use some beta versions just so I can have a debug menu. Can you add more RAM? BTW, the WCPT iTunes stream is usually OK, and so it the sound quality--http://12.190.95.162:8000/listen.pls--and for Mike, turn on the Visualizer. Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It's almost always Camino with the the most CPU usage and that's generally after it's been running for a few days. You should not leave anything running for a few days. Errors accumulate. Mail and Camino should not be using 61% of a fast new Mac. On my much slower 800MHz Mac I'm running Firefox at about 20%. So shut down Camino and see if your problems go away. You could have a bad plug-in or other extension. What happens when you run from a safe boot (Shift key down on Mac's startup)? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I thought that X.4.11 is only for the intell Macs. It is not out yet, so you should not be thinking anything yet. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
What happens when you run from a safe boot (Shift key down on Mac's startup)? Well, initially it wouldn't start up in safe mode. It hung at the white screen with the apple logo and the spinning dial. So I shut it down after about 5 mins and started again. It took almost 5 min. but did finally start up. I have Camino open with all the tabs I usually have open(10 tabs) , mail, Windows media player because I wanted to listen to Mike Malloy show but...sadly, I have no sounds. I unplugged my external speakers thinking that I could use the built in speaker but no go. so Im not going to run in safe mode for long. Too quiet around here. Also have Photoshop CS2 with 2 photos open and iTunes. iTunes won't play either since I have no sound.It doesn't even try to play a song. And all of my widgets are running as usual. The cpu seems to vary between about 44% to around 58% most of the time with spikes up to 100%. I'm not sure how long I need to run on this to see if Camino is going to slow it down but will leave it running overnight with all this stuff open. I really miss having my special buttons on my Logitech rollerball! When you get used to using your thumb to change things with a click or do a screen shot with a click, the basic two buttons feel crippled. One thing that happened when trying to boot into safe mode the first time...when it got hung up a loud whirring sound started that sounded like a very loud fan blowing. I have heard this before when OSX decided to quit. Not every time but enough times that I'm aware of it. I have no idea if it's anything unusual or not. And to make things a bit worse.one of my dogs ran by very fast and bumped into the small table that my Macbook Pro is sitting on and knocked it off. It fell flat on it's top with a very loud bang. I have not had the courage to start it upI might have to kill the dog. JUST KIDDING! I have 7 dogs and am obviously an animal lover. Thanks Tom for your suggestions and encouragement. Wish you were able to make housecalls in Indy. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Memory question
My iMac G5 iSite has been having frequent blue screen equivalents.the transparent gray box that tells me OSX has quit and I have to shut down. I thought I had found the problem when I unplugged 2 of the 4 external hd's I have on it. But I got up this a.m. to a new error msg. Instead of the gray box there were black lines with white text coming across from the upper left corner. Most of the message meant nothing to me but there was one line that seemed to indicate a memory failure. Is there a way to test the memory on a Mac without having to buy new memory and install it, only to find that wasn't the problem? When watching my system stat monitors, I see that the cpu is frequently at 100%+ usage (and programs are CRAWLING). I suppose there could be a hard drive problem. Since it was getting full, I have moved iTunes and Photos to an external drive so I could free up space on the main hd, thinking that OSX needed empty space to use as memory??? Is this wrong? But it still shuts down on me. This usually occurs over night when it's been sitting but was supposed to go to sleep and didn't. Occasionally it happens when I'm working on it. Also, the longer it's on (and Camino, especially, has been running with multiple tabs for a long time), the more likely the cpu is to be running at 90-100%. If I replace this iMac with a MacPro tower, my husband would like this machine but I don't want to give him one that is unreliable as he is FAR more easily frustrated than I am!!;-) So, I still need to figure out what my problem is. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!!! Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory question
My iMac G5 iSite has been having frequent blue screen equivalents.the transparent gray box that tells me OSX has quit and I have to shut down. Is there any info in panic.log? Did you update to X.4.10? If yes you'll have to hope that X.4.11 fixes it. What I read about X.4.11 suggests that it is largely intended to fix the bugs in X.4.10. Not Apple's proudest hour. Most of the message meant nothing to me but there was one line that seemed to indicate a memory failure. Is there a way to test the memory on a Mac without having to buy new memory and install it, only to find that wasn't the problem? Easy way is to install Applejack with the memory test option. You can then run a thorough memory test from single-user mode (command line). When watching my system stat monitors, I see that the cpu is frequently at 100%+ usage (and programs are CRAWLING). I suppose there could be a hard drive problem. Since it was getting full A near full drive could definitely cause all the problems you describe. What process(s) are using all this CPU time? Check with Activity Monitor. have moved iTunes and Photos to an external drive so I could free up space on the main hd, thinking that OSX needed empty space to use as memory??? Is this wrong? You want minimum 1-2 GB of free disk space. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Memory stick / flash drive with U3 -- get rid of U3
Some time ago I bought a 2GB USB memory stick /thumb drive / flash drive from Micro Center, and it was a plain 2GB flash memory drive that just worked. Just what I wanted. Today I bought another one. The case is a different color and slightly different configuration -- not a problem. The device has U3 pre-installed on it -- i.e., it has an autorun.inf file and a LaunchU3.exe file that is called and presumably installs drivers and such on my computer from files in a Launchpad.zip file on the flash drive. I don't want the U3, but I don't seem to be able to just erase it. The device mounts as a 4 MB (MB, yes, not GB) CDFS which presumably means compact disc file system which is read-only. It mouts this way even though I disabled autorun.inf by holding down the shift key while the drive mounted. If I launch disk manager, the device shows up as a 4MB CD drive (CD drive #3, after the two conventional CD/DVD-RW drives that I have attached to the second IDE cable), and no format facility of the Win2K diskmanager will recognize the 2GB capacity and format it as a simple drive. The device has the Micro Center house label. Is anyone aware of a software utility that will reformat the device as a simple FAT-32 flash memory drive? I not only don't care for the U3 features, I don't want to load up my system with any more drivers. Many thanks, Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory stick / flash drive with U3 -- get rid of U3
U3 USB may not install drivers on the local machine in the sense of not putting commands in the registry to load drivers (whether the U3 drive is attached or not) and not writing the driver files to the local machine hard drive, but the U3 package does have drivers (dlls, etc.) in it which are surely loaded from the memory stick into the computer's main memory when the U3 drive is inserted into a USB port. Fred Holmes At 07:25 PM 6/3/2007, Chris Dunford wrote: I not only don't care for the U3 features, I don't want to load up my system with any more drivers. Just to clarify, U3 drives do not (or should not) install any drivers on the local machine. The whole point of U3 is that it's completely machine-independent. When you install a U3-compliant program on it, you can cart your U3 drive to any PC and run the program without installation and without affecting the local registry, etc. It's really a pretty neat idea, and in my experience it works very well indeed. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory stick / flash drive with U3 -- get rid of U3
I recently had to download and install some updated net files from MS (netdot or similar) for my U3 to function properly. These memory sticks have two portions and will load two drives on your PC. One is the virtual CD drive that the U3 portion resides on and the other is the memory stick volume itself. There are some nice programs for FREE on U3, but a sizeable portion are for pay. It allows people to plug a U3 enable memory stick into a foreign computer and run programs off of it, instead of the host computer. For those who travel, use Cyber cafe's it might be just the thing for the vast majority of us it is machts nichts (Matters not) type of thing. Stewart At 06:43 PM 6/3/2007, you wrote: U3 USB may not install drivers on the local machine in the sense of not putting commands in the registry to load drivers (whether the U3 drive is attached or not) and not writing the driver files to the local machine hard drive, but the U3 package does have drivers (dlls, etc.) in it which are surely loaded from the memory stick into the computer's main memory when the U3 drive is inserted into a USB port. Fred Holmes At 07:25 PM 6/3/2007, Chris Dunford wrote: I not only don't care for the U3 features, I don't want to load up my system with any more drivers. Just to clarify, U3 drives do not (or should not) install any drivers on the local machine. The whole point of U3 is that it's completely machine-independent. When you install a U3-compliant program on it, you can cart your U3 drive to any PC and run the program without installation and without affecting the local registry, etc. It's really a pretty neat idea, and in my experience it works very well indeed. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Memory stick / flash drive with U3 -- get rid of U3
The security setup on the public computers at my library (part of the Fairfax County system) doesn't allow U3 flash drives to work. Just the cd portion of the drive appears. Recently, there have been a few students with dead printers at home who were unable to print their last minute papers at the library. I spent quite a long time trying to help one desperate student. I now know that if you see the U3 cd icon and no flash, you are out of luck. David Newhall Falls Church On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:46 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From: Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: June 3, 2007 7:43:10 PM EDT Subject: Re: Memory stick / flash drive with U3 -- get rid of U3 U3 USB may not install drivers on the local machine in the sense of not putting commands in the registry to load drivers (whether the U3 drive is attached or not) and not writing the driver files to the local machine hard drive, but the U3 package does have drivers (dlls, etc.) in it which are surely loaded from the memory stick into the computer's main memory when the U3 drive is inserted into a USB port. Fred Holmes At 07:25 PM 6/3/2007, Chris Dunford wrote: I not only don't care for the U3 features, I don't want to load up my system with any more drivers. Just to clarify, U3 drives do not (or should not) install any drivers on the local machine. The whole point of U3 is that it's completely machine- independent. When you install a U3-compliant program on it, you can cart your U3 drive to any PC and run the program without installation and without affecting the local registry, etc. It's really a pretty neat idea, and in my experience it works very well indeed. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
