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I think part of the reason the Mac gets taken first in PWN to OWN is that it is the only one worth the effort. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:10 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no-nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Mac exploits are also not worth much on the open market. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:17 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I think part of the reason the Mac gets taken first in PWN to OWN is that it is the only one worth the effort. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:10 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no-nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of TPiwowar Sent: 07/31/2009 3:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation Looks like a case of Obfuscation to me. What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. the (heretofore smug) users Smug carries too much baggage to be accurate. Smug implies excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority complex would use the word smug. Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- apple-share-gains/ Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a little tick, but when you get right down to it, it's a rounding error, he said. Apple's share change, plus or minus from ours, they took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple quarters. But Apple's share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully, we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity. *** Shipments of Apple's Mac PCs rose 4 percent in the June quarter, while the global PC market shrank 5 percent, according to Gartner. *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Yeah, but Gartner will kick sand in their face and hide their sunscreen if they lie to them. And we know that Apple *never* lies to the gummint about its finances. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Eschew Obfuscation Apple always downplays the positives and emphasizes the negatives and uncertainties in SEC filings. There is no incentive to do otherwise. I presume your changing the subject to be a tacit admission that your assertion about significant security failures was horse shit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: And we know that Apple *never* lies to the gummint about its finances. Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work. *pt* Apple. Options. Restatement. I'll presume you know how to google that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Absolutely NOT, Tom. There just is no point in debating facts with one who only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy, smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or invented out of thin air. You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known. Stock bloggers complain about this all the time... But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings tonight, and AAPL's phony guidance. Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion, and it's misleading. But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's just Wall Street. After all, isn't that how AAPL works? http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for- earnings.html On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems for us. Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one would hope now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not, guard your data and your mailing lists- and your phones. There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day. Nothing was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never happened and then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that did happen. You live a fantasy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch was out the day after the exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't put it off anymore. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Absolutely NOT, Tom. There just is no point in debating facts with one who only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy, smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or invented out of thin air. You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known. Stock bloggers complain about this all the time... But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings tonight, and AAPL's phony guidance. Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion, and it's misleading. But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's just Wall Street. After all, isn't that how AAPL works? http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for-earnings.html On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems for us. Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one would hope now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not, guard your data and your mailing lists- and your phones. There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day. Nothing was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never happened and then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that did happen. You live a fantasy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote: It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch was out the day after the exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't put it off anymore. It is amusing to watch you desperately cling to your lalaland passport. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's true, I cling. I note you can't dispute the facts however. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote: It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch was out the day after the exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't put it off anymore. It is amusing to watch you desperately cling to your lalaland passport. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS! Your example is what they prognosticate- so they can always beat the numbers. What they report- that's real. Please keep to reality- and not like they do on reality TV. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of TPiwowar Sent: 08/02/2009 6:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Absolutely NOT, Tom. There just is no point in debating facts with one who only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy, smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or invented out of thin air. You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known. Stock bloggers complain about this all the time... But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings tonight, and AAPL's phony guidance. Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion, and it's misleading. But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's just Wall Street. After all, isn't that how AAPL works? http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for- earnings.html On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems for us. Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one would hope now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not, guard your data and your mailing lists- and your phones. There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day. Nothing was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never happened and then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that did happen. You live a fantasy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS! I am not going to waste any more time on you Birthers. You just ignore the facts and this goes around and around. Auditioning for Fox News I guess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wow- that's the kettle calling the pot black. You are the Primary denier. I have no axe to grind- you, on the other hand, have no axe but one with a Mac imprint deeply engrained. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of TPiwowar Sent: 08/02/2009 9:31 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS! I am not going to waste any more time on you Birthers. You just ignore the facts and this goes around and around. Auditioning for Fox News I guess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no- nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, mike wrote: Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. 1) Why go for the unlikely explanation and tortuous logic when there is a direct and simple explanation? People find potential problems in all operating systems and manufacturers issue patches all the time. Potential is not actual. If you can't tell the difference you are living in fantasy land. Meanwhile, Windows gets compromised all the time and there are hundreds of real exploits in the wild. As I mentioned earlier, the I Love You virus was huge and it was written by a student taking his first programming course. It takes not genius to do this. Windows is exploited a lot because it is so easy. 2) You do your cause no credit by spouting untruths. Much of the Mac OS is open source UNIX. Apple's browser, Safari, is open-source WebKit. Apache is open source. MySQL is open source. Etc. Etc. Macs come loaded with open source software. It is not security by obscurity it is security by good engineering. I was just reading in Politico about the con/neocon birthers and I could not help making the connection with the false debating tactics and obfuscations the WFBs spread in this List. Politico called it no-nothing evasion and seeking shelter... behind rhetorical figments. I could not have said it better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:10 AM, mike wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. PSYCH 101: The most wretched and oppressed are often the ones who cling tightest to the belief that this is the way the world is supposed to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think yer in the wrong class...phych 101 is down the hall. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:37 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:10 AM, mike wrote: Right...that's why OS X gets taken out every time first time at the pwn to own. I know actual results and facts and stuff confudle you, but keep trying. PSYCH 101: The most wretched and oppressed are often the ones who cling tightest to the belief that this is the way the world is supposed to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation Looks like a case of Obfuscation to me. What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. the (heretofore smug) users Smug carries too much baggage to be accurate. Smug implies excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority complex would use the word smug. Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- apple-share-gains/ “Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a little tick, but when you get right down to it, it’s a rounding error,” he said. “Apple’s share change, plus or minus from ours, they took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple quarters. But Apple’s share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully, we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity.” *** Shipments of Apple’s Mac PCs rose 4 percent in the June quarter, while the global PC market shrank 5 percent, according to Gartner. *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't know why you listen to him we don't. Stewart At 02:51 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation Looks like a case of Obfuscation to me. What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. the (heretofore smug) users Smug carries too much baggage to be accurate. Smug implies excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority complex would use the word smug. Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- apple-share-gains/ Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a little tick, but when you get right down to it, it's a rounding error, he said. Apple's share change, plus or minus from ours, they took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple quarters. But Apple's share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully, we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity. *** Shipments of Apple's Mac PCs rose 4 percent in the June quarter, while the global PC market shrank 5 percent, according to Gartner. *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:51 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
