Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, bobby dowling wrote: > I tried hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hdX and I got a significant reduction in > performance: > > Maxtor: 28mb/sec to 15 mb/sec > WD: 22mb/sec to 20 mb/sec > > So, I guess I will just leave the dma setting off (???). With 28MB/s dma is definitly turned on. Probably by the kernel. I get 14MB/s on a U33 drive which isn't to old. seb
[Cooker] new mutt RPM
FYI, for those mutt users out there, I've built RPMs for the new version of mutt and posted them on my website and uploaded them to mandrakesoft. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 11:45, days users, hrs and mins.
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Accidentally replied to the wrong address. Here's the forward of the message I posted in reply to Jose Sanchez. -- Chris Armstrong http://penguinmints.cx On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:54:53PM -0400, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: [clip...] > |Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but > |heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install > |is convince but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only > |convince but less hassle. > > Less hassle = bigger problems. > > There is a choice that was made with RPM, protect the user from doing > anything stupid. > > Deb does the opposite, assume the user knows what he/she is doing. > > Sounds like you've been upgrading .debs a little too quickly... > You've been lucky so far... I've been using unstable Debian for over a year (Potato, and now Woody). I've never run into a problem that I wasn't able to fix with more than 10 minutes of work, and they are few and far between. [clip...] > |in turn would > |cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. > | > > huh? I guess you've not tried gnorpm... but I digress. > > Gimp goes to 2.0 which requires a slew of updates. Those updates in turn > "break" other applications on your system. > > With DEB you can go ahead and install GIMP 2, breaking the other apps. Wrong. Debian would NOT by default allow you to install Gimp 2. apt calculates the dependancies so other packages WON'T break when you install one. Of course, if you want to force the install anyway, you can. > With RPM you are warned... yet you can still choose to overlook the warning > as you obviously do. It seems that you have done this so much that your > making the assumption that this is the correct way of doing things... > > Well I have news for you... it's not! > [clip...] > |as well as a lot of P.O.ed users/developers/whatever/whatever. So that > |virturally wipes out downloading the fresh new ISO or even buying a CD. > | > > Faulty logic. > > You're implying that DEB is unaffected by upgrade downtime... not so. It is affected far less. Sure, you can, every now and then, run into problems when you're running the unstable or frozen version of Debian. But even most of the times you _do_ run into problems, you can do an apt-get -f install or something just as simple. > |What about option number 2 ? Sorry, but if had to sys admin a > |network of over at > |least 5,000 users I wouldn't want to spend 5 hours upgrading packages and > |kicking RPM because of useless deps. > | > > Again failure to understand the process... > > Deb is permitting you to install upgrades which it shouldn't. Again, you're wrong. Same explanation I gave two paragraphs ago. > RPM does not... no thanks I'll stick with RPM... > > |Now let's look at this from a end-user perspective. > |Different scenario, same feelings. mdk is aimed at the desktop user, hence > |convince and friendlyness. Do the above and mentioned options of > |upgrading > |sound appealing ? Especially to someone likely coming from windows. > | > > Again faulty logic. > The assumption is that Deb is immune for trouble during upgrades... > Since it monitors them far less than RPM it is more trouble prone... I don't understand where you're getting that information. apt is quite anal about what it does or does not let you install by default. --- end quoted text --- Here's what I recommend: Don't switch to Debian's package management. I was with Bryan with this suggestion in the beginning, but I've changed my mind. What MDK needs to do is _rewrite_ rpm (keeping compatibility with the file format), making it easier and more convenient to use, and have better dependancy handling (You could also just build better front-ends, but I think we'd be better off with a more-well-thought-out rpm core). I also recommend Mandrake go with the central-repository method of PM, keeping a central repository of RPMs that have passed the guidelines of Mandrake's packages. Then develop a tool similar to apt which fetches and installs whatever RPMs. I know these things have been done to an extent with RPM, but I think they need to be done better, and I believe Mandrake has the potential to execute it quite gracefully. -- Chris Armstrong http://penguinmints.cx
Re: [Cooker] U66 times?
Are these fast times or what? [root@vegan vegan]# hdparm -Tt /dev/hdf /dev/hdf: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.38 seconds = 92.75 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 17.79 seconds = 3.60 MB/sec [root@vegan vegan]# hdparm -Tt /dev/hde /dev/hde: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.39 seconds = 92.09 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 18.61 seconds = 3.44 MB/sec
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
"Guy T. Rice" wrote: > Other than that, you've presented a number of arguments I can't argue with. > I used to use Debian and I agree they have a far superior package system. > But it just doesn't have the support. I'd rather see RPM improved or some > frontend written to support all the features of Debian's package system. > THAT would be cool... You said what I meant :)))
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
--- bobby dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both drives say that they are capable of the > following: > > DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 > *udma4 > > I am supposing the star means that the drive is set > to udma4, correct? If you used "hdparm -I" then you get the info unformatted directly from the drive, and yes the asterisk indicates the mode the drive is currently set to. > These are my hdparm settings: > > hdparm -q -c3 -q -A1 -q -m16 > I guess you could use something like this: hdparm -q -c3 -q -A1 -q -m16 -q -d1 -q -X68 = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] RPM(S) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Hey! I've been watching this thread and have not found it very constructive so far. I beleive the subject seserves more interest... As an ex-debian user, and current happy mdk user (for both, SERVER and Desktop) I have to agree with a statement made earlier in the thread: Both package mgmt systems have their goods and bads, my experience confirms it. For sure it looks like RPM has been adopted as a standard. So why not improve RPM rather than fighting about which one is better, which one screws up the most, which one.#$%^#&!$!%^&@ I think what's lacking the most with RPM is a console based system (kinda like dselect) that uses apt like principles - i.e.: you select a package to install or upgrade from an rpm repository and all dependencies get satisfied by downloading the required packages after confirmation from the user(Guys @ mdk, you already have the algos ready from your 7.1 DrakX install script which by the way is really slick!). Although I agree totally that mdk is aimed at the desktop and therefore GUI based apps, I truly beleive that it would be beneficial for mdk to come up with such a tool. Think about upgrading a remote system from a telnet or ssh session for example. By the way, rpmdrake has never worked for me: it always hangs on generating dependencies list - gendepslist2 (I posted a help msg here about it but never got an answer:((() Anyways, I just thought I'd put my $0.02 in, just to mention some lacks I see and experience in RPM... Some of you may think it's pointless, but I spoke anyways :) Cheers everyone! Peace, Patrick.
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
--- bobby dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hdX and I got a > significant reduction in > performance: > > Maxtor: 28mb/sec to 15 mb/sec > WD: 22mb/sec to 20 mb/sec > > So, I guess I will just leave the dma setting off > (???). What that means is that probably your drive was already using UDMA4 (-X68), and you turned it down to UDMA2 (-X66). = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote: > details like this; even Netscape is behaving funny, when I launch it the > window is blank and useless for about 5 minutes, then it comes to life: > never seen this before, abrupt termination was the norm :) I have seen that before, when my DNS server is down. Check resolv.conf, and try pinging the nameservers specified there to see if they're up.
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: > Debian's package system is right there to be used, why try to re-invent the > wheel ? It just doesn't make sense to do so. > > But what are the drawbacks ? Are there any at all ? Well, simply put, if the day comes that I can't go to a vendor's website, download their RPM for RedHat, and have it work flawlessly under Mandrake, that will be the day I stop using Mandrake. Other than that, you've presented a number of arguments I can't argue with. I used to use Debian and I agree they have a far superior package system. But it just doesn't have the support. I'd rather see RPM improved or some frontend written to support all the features of Debian's package system. THAT would be cool...
[Cooker] broken mirrors
I mirror cooker pretty much every day. for the last several days whenever a new package has been announced on the announce list, the old package is deleted off the mirror but the new pakage is never downloaded. I use rpmfind.net and sunsite.uio.no for mirrors.
[Cooker] xchat dcc send fail
The dcc send feature in xchat no longer works in 7.1. Uninstalling it and installing the version from 7.0 it works again.
Re: [Cooker] Install from running environment?
> > > > > Is there a a way to install 7.1 from within a running version of > > > > linux if it is already running the same kernel? I don't see any > > > > problem with this but I don't know how to do it. > > > > > > you mean upgrade ??? > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > There are some machines which I can get the hardware working but > > refuse to do so as part of the standard install. I'd like to set up > > the loaded modules and networking etc.. and then do an install or an > > upgrade. I don't care if it has to remount the filesystems in read > > only. > > doesn't this (from mandrake.com/en/heliumlast.php3) help? > > > Kernel oops'es > what: the kernel crashes > when: with some unusual hardware (eg: megaraid) > solution: use your own custom kernel together with blank.img. > The custom kernel must contain every driver needed for the installation. > You > can't provide modules. It must also be less than 700KB to fit on the > floppy. > Just create a boot floppy out of blank.img (the way you would do with > images/cdrom.img), then mcopy vmlinuz a: where vmlinuz is your custom > kernel. > > > if not, what would you use for the pre-install? I'll give it a go. The problem I encounter is acutally that the plip module is no longer included in the network.img so I can't install it onto a laptop I've got. It was included in mdk7. It seems that the plip module has to be from the same kernel to communicate with my machine correctly (2.2.15-4) so I can't use the network image from mdk7. And I'm afraid I dont know how to change the image to include it. I also don't know how to open a shell and load it manually from elsewhere.
Re: [Cooker] RPM(S) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Frank Meurer wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: > > > 1). deb yes just a tar.bz2 with shell scripts for install and uninstall. But > > what's wrong with this ? Look at FreeBSD ports. > I look at it. > I'm using OpenBSD and someday I will use rpm also on OpenBSD, promised! > > > 2). opts ? optimization aren't handled by RPM, they're handled by gcc(e.g.: >-march=i586) > > Rebuilding a SRPM with --target= is almost useless in the situations I've >encountered, ala it never works : ) > > As I sayed: A rpm is always as good as its creator! ;-) > I've done some srpms which I can compile with different targets. The srpms > only build in my private environment but I can specify "target=i[345]86" > to compile on my developer box and I can also specify "target=m68k" which > does crosscompiling for Linux/m68k. > Yes, it works *always*. ;-) > heh *nod* > [...] > > > > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm> > error: failed dependencies: > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk > > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk > Hey! You forgot "--nodeps"! ;-) > > > What kind of dep handling is that ? As far as informative goes. > > I'm sure there is a simple hack to get rpm to list the package instead of the > > file name needed. This is one of the problems that make people(even users of rpm > > based distros) cringe. > But if you take care of it on creating the spec file by specifying "Requires" > and make a tough configuration of your rpm app (e.g. no auto-requires) then > you can build fine rpms - that kind of rpms I mentioned before. > That's IMHO *not* a rpm pb. > And it's still more powerful than deb-packages. > Once again *nod* > > Also, how do we stop all the --forces ? I know from my brief experience with > > debian I _never_ had to force a package to install. The question is, is this > > a result of bad maintaining of the .spec files ? Or is this simply RPM's ugly > > side ? Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a user from > > even wanting to mess with said package. > Er... in this case above "--force" won't work IMHO! > hrmmm ? what won't work ? > > Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but > > heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install is convience > > but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only convience but > > less hassle. Lets say the next ver of mdk comes out, i have two choices on how > > to upgrade to 7.x. I can: > As I understand apt-get is a single application. You are comparing two > applications to one rpm application? I don't know much of the GUI and other > high-level stuff, but AFAIK there are of course applications for automatic > resolving of dependancies. > > > 1) Download a 650 meg ISO, burn it, pop it in, reboot and have a downtime of > > about roughly an hour or so. > > > > 2). I can manually go get every package I need, then to find out that I need > > more packages to go along with the said packages to upgrade, which in turn would > > cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. > What about mandrake-update? > > > Doesn't this just seem ridculous ? It does to me. The only time i feel I should > > have to reboot of my own will is a kernel upgrade. > > > > Let's also look at this from a sys admin perspective if mdk ever wants to gain > > market in that dept. 1 minute of downtime could cost a company X amount of money > > as well as a lot of P.O.ed users/developers/managment/whatever. So that > > virturally wipes out downloading the fresh new ISO or even buying a CD. > If downtime will cost a company much money then you can be sure that this > company will have RAID-arrays, separate production and test server and more... > > > What about option number 2 ? Sorry, but if had to sys admin a network of over at > > least 5,000 users I wouldn't want to spend 5 hours upgrading packages and > > kicking RPM because of useless deps. > Then you should think over your strategy. > You are not speaking of a rpm pb, you are speaking of general thoughts for > administration of big systems. *nod* but why not jump in ahead to offer something appealing and easy to manage for the sys admin ? > > Now let's look at this from a end-user perspective. > > Different scenario, same feelings. mdk is aimed at the desktop user, hence > > convience and friendlyness. Do the above and mentioned options of upgrading > > sound appealing ? Especially to someone likely coming from windows. > The desktop user has his/her nice, clickable, multi-colored GUI apps. > Most of these apps completely suck IMHO. The functionality is horrible as in what it can and
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: > |-Original Message- > |From: Bryan Paxton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > |Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:43 PM > |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |Subject: Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend... > | > | > |I'm gonna go ahead and knock out all the replies out in one replied > |of my own. > | > |1). deb yes just a tar.bz2 with shell scripts for install and > |uninstall. But > |what's wrong with this ? Look at FreeBSD ports. > | > > RPM does far more than DEB in this respect... pick up Maximum RPM for > starters... > I'll grant you this. > |2). opts ? optimization aren't handled by RPM, they're handled by > |gcc(e.g.: -march=i586) > |Rebuilding a SRPM with --target= is almost useless in the > |situations I've encountered, ala it never works : ) > | > > Probably due to your insistence on mixing distros... > heh no, snag say glibc*.srpm && rpm --rebuild --target=whatever watch the gcc flags > |3). LSB does advocate RPM as the standard for package management, > |RPM has a long > |way to go before it ever becomes the standard in a server > |environment though. > |Though mdk is not aimed at the server dept. either, so who knows > |on that one. > | > > Well, let's see. Mandrake & Redhat provide "server" services. As a result > RPM has a preponderance of users. How do you define a standard? > > Thanks I'll stick with RPM until something better comes along... RPM server is nothing but a security hole and a slew of exploits waiting to happen, why do you think noone uses it ? > > |Now, let's look at some of the things that could be improve RPM. > | > |Starting simple, in a previous post I read on here. > | > |> > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm> > error: failed dependencies: > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk > |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk > | > |What kind of dep handling is that ? As far as informative goes. > |I'm sure there is a simple hack to get rpm to list the package > |instead of the > |file name needed. This is one of the problems that make > |people(even users of rpm > |based distros) cringe. > | > > What's wrong with this? > > RPM is warning you that you are about to affect the other packages listed... > You by far missed the point on this one. The warning message does not display what package lib* is part of and what you are breaking. Though this is due to poor spec maintaining I assume. Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a > |user from > |even wanting to mess with said package. > | > > --forces are normally the result of the user choosing to "step beyond" the > distribution. Since the new package which is being installed may require > some other lib etc. people often --force the installation. > --forces are every day life for 99.9% of all users using an RPM based distro. Go to an irc newbies channel and count how many people come in with these problems. This again can also be traced back to poor maintaining of spec files. > |Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but > |heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install > |is convince but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only > |convince but less hassle. > > Less hassle = bigger problems. if [[ $less_hassle == $bigger_problems ]]; then echo "Lay out all possible problems that one would encounter with a dist upgrade and elminate the source of the problem" else echo "Let's stay in the stone age" fi > |Lets say the next ver of mdk comes out, i have two > |choices on how > |to upgrade to 7.x. I can: > | > |1) Download a 650 meg ISO, burn it, pop it in, reboot and have a > |downtime of > |about roughly an hour or so. > | > |2). I can manually go get every package I need, then to find out > |that I need > |more packages to go along with the said packages to upgrade, which > |in turn would > |cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. > | > > huh? I guess you've not tried gnorpm... but I digress. You're gonna compare gnorpm to apt ? That's apples and oranges man. > > Gimp goes to 2.0 which requires a slew of updates. Those updates in turn > "break" other applications on your system. > > With DEB you can go ahead and install GIMP 2, breaking the other apps. It sounds like you haven't played with dist upgrades a lot. WARNING messages are given if one package will break another. > > |Doesn't this just seem ridculous ? It does to me. The only time i > |feel I should > |have to reboot of my own will is a kernel upgrade. > | > |Let's also look at this from a sys admin perspective if mdk ever > |wants to gain > |market in that dept. 1 minute of downtime c
RE: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
|-Original Message- |From: Bryan Paxton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:43 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend... | | |I'm gonna go ahead and knock out all the replies out in one replied |of my own. | |1). deb yes just a tar.bz2 with shell scripts for install and |uninstall. But |what's wrong with this ? Look at FreeBSD ports. | RPM does far more than DEB in this respect... pick up Maximum RPM for starters... |2). opts ? optimization aren't handled by RPM, they're handled by |gcc(e.g.: -march=i586) |Rebuilding a SRPM with --target= is almost useless in the |situations I've encountered, ala it never works : ) | Probably due to your insistence on mixing distros... RPM is pretty good at keeping things straight, vis-à-vis dependencies, etc. If you follow the guidelines your RPM's will normally rebuild without a hitch, provided of course you've met their requirements... I've rarely had one fail... |3). LSB does advocate RPM as the standard for package management, |RPM has a long |way to go before it ever becomes the standard in a server |environment though. |Though mdk is not aimed at the server dept. either, so who knows |on that one. | Well, let's see. Mandrake & Redhat provide "server" services. As a result RPM has a preponderance of users. How do you define a standard? Thanks I'll stick with RPM until something better comes along... |Now, let's look at some of the things that could be improve RPM. | |Starting simple, in a previous post I read on here. | |> > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm> > error: failed dependencies: |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk |> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk | |What kind of dep handling is that ? As far as informative goes. |I'm sure there is a simple hack to get rpm to list the package |instead of the |file name needed. This is one of the problems that make |people(even users of rpm |based distros) cringe. | What's wrong with this? RPM is warning you that you are about to affect the other packages listed... Had you dumped the corresponding updated RPM's into the same directory and attempted to install them all at the same time, RPM would have handled this for you all automatically... |Also, how do we stop all the --forces ? I know from my brief |experience with |debian I _never_ had to force a package to install. The question |is, is this |a result of bad maintaining of the .spec files ? Or is this simply |RPM's ugly |side ? Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a |user from |even wanting to mess with said package. | --forces are normally the result of the user choosing to "step beyond" the distribution. Since the new package which is being installed may require some other lib etc. people often --force the installation. This is akin to what the Winblows installers do... they merrily replace the DLL's with whatever the current package needs, blithely overwriting important system resources... Deb is pretty weak in this respect, you can proceed without being "forced" to do this... Stick with packages built specifically for the distro, and you almost never have to use --force. Or grab the src.rpm and build them yourself often "adjusting" the resulting RPM to your own system. |Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but |heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install |is convince but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only |convince but less hassle. Less hassle = bigger problems. There is a choice that was made with RPM, protect the user from doing anything stupid. Deb does the opposite, assume the user knows what he/she is doing. Sounds like you've been upgrading .debs a little too quickly... You've been lucky so far... |Lets say the next ver of mdk comes out, i have two |choices on how |to upgrade to 7.x. I can: | |1) Download a 650 meg ISO, burn it, pop it in, reboot and have a |downtime of |about roughly an hour or so. | |2). I can manually go get every package I need, then to find out |that I need |more packages to go along with the said packages to upgrade, which |in turn would |cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. | huh? I guess you've not tried gnorpm... but I digress. Gimp goes to 2.0 which requires a slew of updates. Those updates in turn "break" other applications on your system. With DEB you can go ahead and install GIMP 2, breaking the other apps. With RPM you are warned... yet you can still choose to overlook the warning as you obviously do. It seems that you have done this so much that your making the assumption that this is the correct way
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: > 1). deb yes just a tar.bz2 with shell scripts for install and uninstall. But > what's wrong with this ? Look at FreeBSD ports. I look at it. I'm using OpenBSD and someday I will use rpm also on OpenBSD, promised! > 2). opts ? optimization aren't handled by RPM, they're handled by gcc(e.g.: >-march=i586) > Rebuilding a SRPM with --target= is almost useless in the situations I've >encountered, ala it never works : ) As I sayed: A rpm is always as good as its creator! ;-) I've done some srpms which I can compile with different targets. The srpms only build in my private environment but I can specify "target=i[345]86" to compile on my developer box and I can also specify "target=m68k" which does crosscompiling for Linux/m68k. Yes, it works *always*. ;-) [...] > > > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm> > error: failed dependencies: > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk > > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk Hey! You forgot "--nodeps"! ;-) > What kind of dep handling is that ? As far as informative goes. > I'm sure there is a simple hack to get rpm to list the package instead of the > file name needed. This is one of the problems that make people(even users of rpm > based distros) cringe. But if you take care of it on creating the spec file by specifying "Requires" and make a tough configuration of your rpm app (e.g. no auto-requires) then you can build fine rpms - that kind of rpms I mentioned before. That's IMHO *not* a rpm pb. And it's still more powerful than deb-packages. > Also, how do we stop all the --forces ? I know from my brief experience with > debian I _never_ had to force a package to install. The question is, is this > a result of bad maintaining of the .spec files ? Or is this simply RPM's ugly > side ? Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a user from > even wanting to mess with said package. Er... in this case above "--force" won't work IMHO! > Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but > heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install is convience > but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only convience but > less hassle. Lets say the next ver of mdk comes out, i have two choices on how > to upgrade to 7.x. I can: As I understand apt-get is a single application. You are comparing two applications to one rpm application? I don't know much of the GUI and other high-level stuff, but AFAIK there are of course applications for automatic resolving of dependancies. > 1) Download a 650 meg ISO, burn it, pop it in, reboot and have a downtime of > about roughly an hour or so. > > 2). I can manually go get every package I need, then to find out that I need > more packages to go along with the said packages to upgrade, which in turn would > cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. What about mandrake-update? > Doesn't this just seem ridculous ? It does to me. The only time i feel I should > have to reboot of my own will is a kernel upgrade. > > Let's also look at this from a sys admin perspective if mdk ever wants to gain > market in that dept. 1 minute of downtime could cost a company X amount of money > as well as a lot of P.O.ed users/developers/managment/whatever. So that > virturally wipes out downloading the fresh new ISO or even buying a CD. If downtime will cost a company much money then you can be sure that this company will have RAID-arrays, separate production and test server and more... > What about option number 2 ? Sorry, but if had to sys admin a network of over at > least 5,000 users I wouldn't want to spend 5 hours upgrading packages and > kicking RPM because of useless deps. Then you should think over your strategy. You are not speaking of a rpm pb, you are speaking of general thoughts for administration of big systems. > Now let's look at this from a end-user perspective. > Different scenario, same feelings. mdk is aimed at the desktop user, hence > convience and friendlyness. Do the above and mentioned options of upgrading > sound appealing ? Especially to someone likely coming from windows. The desktop user has his/her nice, clickable, multi-colored GUI apps. > So what now. Where's the problem? Frank - Close the window, open the door, let in LINUX! Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f).
Re: [Cooker] memory detection
Pixel Thank you very much! I added the mem= option to my menu.lst file at it worked great! Thank you again! Danny > > excerpt from my /boot/grub/menu.lst: > > title linux > kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 mem=128M > > cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
Ok Ok but how do you test the speeds of your drives?
My drive supports
Model=Maxtor 92720U8, FwRev=MA540RR0, SerialNo=C803RN7C
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=53177040
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4
so.. UDMA 4 is the fastest... I dont know what I am running
at right now.. is this told in the above information?
I mainly want to know if there is a way to benchmark your
throughput...
Thanks.
Chrisopher Campbell
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> Did you do it specifiying both flags at the same time?
>
> What -Xxx value did you use?
>
> First query your drive with "hdparm -i /dev/hda" to
> see what modes your drive support.
>
> From the hdparm man page:
>
> ...
>
>-X Set the IDE transfer mode for newer
> (E)IDE/ATA2
> drives. This is typically used in
> combination with
> -d1 when enabling DMA to/from a drive
> on a sup
> ported interface chipset (such as the
> Intel 430FX
> Triton), where -X34 is used to select
> multiword DMA
> mode2 transfers. With systems which
> support Ultra
> DMA burst timings, -X66 is used to
> select UltraDMA
> mode2 transfers (you'll need to prepare
> the chipset
> for UltraDMA beforehand). Apart from
> that, use of
> this flag is seldom necessary since
> most/all modern
> IDE drives default to their fastest
> PIO transfer
> mode at power-on. Fiddling with this
> can be both
> needless and risky. On drives which
> support alter
> nate transfer modes, -X can be used to
> switch the
> mode of the drive only. Prior to
> changing the
> transfer mode, the IDE interface should
> be jumpered
> or programmed (see -p flag) for the new
> mode set
> ting to prevent loss and/or
> corruption of data.
> Use this with extreme caution! For the
> PIO (Pro
> grammed Input/Output) transfer modes
> used by Linux,
> this value is simply the desired PIO
> mode number
> plus 8. Thus, a value of 09 sets
> PIO mode1, 10
> enables PIO mode2, and 11 selects PIO
> mode3. Set
> ting 00 restores the drive's
> "default" PIO mode,
> and 01 disables IORDY. For multiword
> DMA, the
> value used is the desired DMA mode
> number plus 32.
> for UltraDMA, the value is the
> desired UltraDMA
> mode number plus 64.
>
> ...
>
> It says that most modern drives default to the fastest
> mode; he, he, he, I had always have to use hdparm to
> get an average of only *twice* the default performance
> with all the drives I have ever had. ;-)
>
> --- Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags?
> > >
> > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze
> > the system before would
> > > work?
> >
> > nope, froze anyway here :(
> >
>
>
> =
>
> Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE
> Linux Engineer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger.
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Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
I tried hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hdX and I got a significant reduction in performance: Maxtor: 28mb/sec to 15 mb/sec WD: 22mb/sec to 20 mb/sec So, I guess I will just leave the dma setting off (???). >From: Eugenio Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] U66 solved >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:47:53 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB16FF6F0062D820F3C8D84754234A0B0; Sun Jun 18 22:49:35 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00834for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 >00:48:51 -0500 >Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (web121.yahoomail.com >[205.180.60.129]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP > id AAA00302 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:47:13 > -0500 >Received: (qmail 14189 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2000 05:47:53 - >Received: from [207.36.26.197] by web121.yahoomail.com; Sun,18 Jun 2000 >22:47:53 PDT >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 18 22:51:13 2000 >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 1232 >Precedence: list > > >--- bobby dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze > > the system before would > > work? > >Nooo! For UltraDMA2 on your fisrst ide drive, it would >be something like this (for an explanation of the >number after the -X, see the man page of hdparm): > >hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hda > >or for an older EIDE drive: > >hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hda > >**Please note this is dangerous stuff; if you punch in >a mode that does not corresponds to what your >drive/controller is capable, under some circumstances >it could lead to a corrupted file systems. > >= > >Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE >Linux Engineer >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
Both drives say that they are capable of the following: DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4 I am supposing the star means that the drive is set to udma4, correct? These are my hdparm settings: hdparm -q -c3 -q -A1 -q -m16 This is what is specified in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime (of course I specified HDPARM=yes in /etc/sysconfig/system). I didn't specify the dma option because it always locks up the WD drive.. BTW, both drives were bought within the last 3 months, so I assume they are fairly new and should work with dma in linux. >From: Eugenio Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] U66 solved >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB17D2D40073D820F39ED847542364490; Mon Jun 19 13:51:33 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08219for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 >15:54:12 -0500 >Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (web125.yahoomail.com >[205.180.60.193]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP > id PAA05577 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:11 > -0500 >Received: (qmail 29612 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2000 20:46:07 - >Received: from [207.36.26.1] by web125.yahoomail.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 >13:46:07 PDT >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 13:51:45 2000 >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 1282 >Precedence: list > >Did you do it specifiying both flags at the same time? > >What -Xxx value did you use? > >First query your drive with "hdparm -i /dev/hda" to >see what modes your drive support. > >From the hdparm man page: > >... > >-X Set the IDE transfer mode for newer >(E)IDE/ATA2 > drives. This is typically used in >combination with > -d1 when enabling DMA to/from a drive >on a sup > ported interface chipset (such as the >Intel 430FX > Triton), where -X34 is used to select >multiword DMA > mode2 transfers. With systems which >support Ultra > DMA burst timings, -X66 is used to >select UltraDMA > mode2 transfers (you'll need to prepare >the chipset > for UltraDMA beforehand). Apart from >that, use of > this flag is seldom necessary since >most/all modern > IDE drives default to their fastest >PIO transfer > mode at power-on. Fiddling with this >can be both > needless and risky. On drives which >support alter > nate transfer modes, -X can be used to >switch the > mode of the drive only. Prior to >changing the > transfer mode, the IDE interface should >be jumpered > or programmed (see -p flag) for the new >mode set > ting to prevent loss and/or >corruption of data. > Use this with extreme caution! For the >PIO (Pro > grammed Input/Output) transfer modes >used by Linux, > this value is simply the desired PIO >mode number > plus 8. Thus, a value of 09 sets >PIO mode1, 10 > enables PIO mode2, and 11 selects PIO >mode3. Set > ting 00 restores the drive's >"default" PIO mode, > and 01 disables IORDY. For multiword > DMA, the > value used is the desired DMA mode >number plus 32. > for UltraDMA, the value is the >desired UltraDMA > mode number plus 64. > >... > >It says that most modern drives default to the fastest >mode; he, he, he, I had always have to use hdparm to >get an average of only *twice* the default performance >with all the drives I have ever had. ;-) > >--- Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > > > > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze > > the system before would > > > work? > > > > nope, froze anyway here :( > > > > >= > >Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE >Linux Engineer >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] memory detection
Danny Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello all, > I just installed 7.1 on a newer computer and it does not detect my correct > memory (256mb) It is showing only 64 mb. Windoze correctly detected the correct > amount. I am pretty sure I typed in the correct value at installation. > > >From what I have read at http://www.mandrakeuser.org/troubles/tquick4.html > and http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/ramdetect.html it is a bios > detection problem but can be corrected by editing the lilo configuration file. > > My question is how can it be fixed when using the grub loader. Any help with > this would be appreciated. excerpt from my /boot/grub/menu.lst: title linux kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 mem=128M cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
I'm gonna go ahead and knock out all the replies out in one replie of my own. 1). deb yes just a tar.bz2 with shell scripts for install and uninstall. But what's wrong with this ? Look at FreeBSD ports. 2). opts ? optimization aren't handled by RPM, they're handled by gcc(e.g.: -march=i586) Rebuilding a SRPM with --target= is almost useless in the situations I've encountered, ala it never works : ) 3). LSB does advocate RPM as the standard for package managment, RPM has a long way to go before it ever becomes the standard in a server enviorment though. Though mdk is not aimed at the server dept. either, so who knows on that one. Now, let's look at some of the things that could be improve RPM. Starting simple, in a previous post I read on here. > > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm> > error: failed dependencies: > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk What kind of dep handling is that ? As far as informative goes. I'm sure there is a simple hack to get rpm to list the package instead of the file name needed. This is one of the problems that make people(even users of rpm based distros) cringe. Also, how do we stop all the --forces ? I know from my brief experience with debian I _never_ had to force a package to install. The question is, is this a result of bad maintaining of the .spec files ? Or is this simply RPM's ugly side ? Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a user from even wanting to mess with said package. Runtime upgrades. No matter how ya look at it dpkg with apt is nothing but heaven. apt-get install and apt-get dist upgrade. apt-get install is convience but isn't this what mdk strives for ? dist upgrade is not only convience but less hassle. Lets say the next ver of mdk comes out, i have two choices on how to upgrade to 7.x. I can: 1) Download a 650 meg ISO, burn it, pop it in, reboot and have a downtime of about roughly an hour or so. 2). I can manually go get every package I need, then to find out that I need more packages to go along with the said packages to upgrade, which in turn would cost me about 4 to 5 hours of my time. Doesn't this just seem ridculous ? It does to me. The only time i feel I should have to reboot of my own will is a kernel upgrade. Let's also look at this from a sys admin perspective if mdk ever wants to gain market in that dept. 1 minute of downtime could cost a company X amount of money as well as a lot of P.O.ed users/developers/managment/whatever. So that virturally wipes out downloading the fresh new ISO or even buying a CD. What about option number 2 ? Sorry, but if had to sys admin a network of over at least 5,000 users I wouldn't want to spend 5 hours upgrading packages and kicking RPM because of useless deps. Now let's look at this from a end-user perspective. Different scenario, same feelings. mdk is aimed at the desktop user, hence convience and friendlyness. Do the above and mentioned options of upgrading sound appealing ? Especially to someone likely coming from windows. So what now. -- Bryan Paxton "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it." -- Linus Torvalds. Public key can be found at http://speedbros.org/Bryan_Paxton.asc
[Cooker] memory detection
Hello all, I just installed 7.1 on a newer computer and it does not detect my correct memory (256mb) It is showing only 64 mb. Windoze correctly detected the correct amount. I am pretty sure I typed in the correct value at installation. >From what I have read at http://www.mandrakeuser.org/troubles/tquick4.html and http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/ramdetect.html it is a bios detection problem but can be corrected by editing the lilo configuration file. My question is how can it be fixed when using the grub loader. Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks, Danny Cook
Re: [Cooker] Install from running environment?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Is there a a way to install 7.1 from within a running version of > > > linux if it is already running the same kernel? I don't see any > > > problem with this but I don't know how to do it. > > > > you mean upgrade ??? > > > Yes and no. > > There are some machines which I can get the hardware working but > refuse to do so as part of the standard install. I'd like to set up > the loaded modules and networking etc.. and then do an install or an > upgrade. I don't care if it has to remount the filesystems in read > only. doesn't this (from mandrake.com/en/heliumlast.php3) help? Kernel oops'es what: the kernel crashes when: with some unusual hardware (eg: megaraid) solution: use your own custom kernel together with blank.img. The custom kernel must contain every driver needed for the installation. You can't provide modules. It must also be less than 700KB to fit on the floppy. Just create a boot floppy out of blank.img (the way you would do with images/cdrom.img), then mcopy vmlinuz a: where vmlinuz is your custom kernel. if not, what would you use for the pre-install?
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
Did you do it specifiying both flags at the same time? What -Xxx value did you use? First query your drive with "hdparm -i /dev/hda" to see what modes your drive support. >From the hdparm man page: ... -X Set the IDE transfer mode for newer (E)IDE/ATA2 drives. This is typically used in combination with -d1 when enabling DMA to/from a drive on a sup ported interface chipset (such as the Intel 430FX Triton), where -X34 is used to select multiword DMA mode2 transfers. With systems which support Ultra DMA burst timings, -X66 is used to select UltraDMA mode2 transfers (you'll need to prepare the chipset for UltraDMA beforehand). Apart from that, use of this flag is seldom necessary since most/all modern IDE drives default to their fastest PIO transfer mode at power-on. Fiddling with this can be both needless and risky. On drives which support alter nate transfer modes, -X can be used to switch the mode of the drive only. Prior to changing the transfer mode, the IDE interface should be jumpered or programmed (see -p flag) for the new mode set ting to prevent loss and/or corruption of data. Use this with extreme caution! For the PIO (Pro grammed Input/Output) transfer modes used by Linux, this value is simply the desired PIO mode number plus 8. Thus, a value of 09 sets PIO mode1, 10 enables PIO mode2, and 11 selects PIO mode3. Set ting 00 restores the drive's "default" PIO mode, and 01 disables IORDY. For multiword DMA, the value used is the desired DMA mode number plus 32. for UltraDMA, the value is the desired UltraDMA mode number plus 64. ... It says that most modern drives default to the fastest mode; he, he, he, I had always have to use hdparm to get an average of only *twice* the default performance with all the drives I have ever had. ;-) --- Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze > the system before would > > work? > > nope, froze anyway here :( > = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Install from running environment?
> > Is there a a way to install 7.1 from within a running version of > > linux if it is already running the same kernel? I don't see any > > problem with this but I don't know how to do it. > > you mean upgrade ??? > Yes and no. There are some machines which I can get the hardware working but refuse to do so as part of the standard install. I'd like to set up the loaded modules and networking etc.. and then do an install or an upgrade. I don't care if it has to remount the filesystems in read only.
RE: [Cooker] U66 solved
Are you specifiying the two flags at the same time in the same command? If not, you have to. What drives do you have? The controller mode may also have to be set, most don't. With my Promise U66 I don't have to. --- "B. K. Barley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have reported the same problem even with the -X > option. I've tried > various settings on the X flag and when I turned on > DMA Transfer, it would > crash also. > > B. K. Barley = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
Nope, this are just MFG. ID strings being read by the kernel from the devices. --- bobby dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What if you see this at boot-up: > > HPT366: onboard version of chipset, pin1=1 pin2=2 > PCI: HPT366: Fixing interrupt 11 pin 2 to ZERO > HPT366: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 98 > HPT366: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide2: BM-DMA at 0xb800-0xb807, BIOS settings: > hde:DMA, hdf:pio > HPT366: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 99 > HPT366: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide3: BM-DMA at 0xc400-0xc407, BIOS settings: > hdg:DMA, hdh:pio > hda: CD-ROM 45X, ATAPI CDROM drive > hdc: YAMAHA CRW8424E, ATAPI CDROM drive > hde: Maxtor 51536U3, ATA DISK drive > hdg: WDC WD136BA, ATA DISK drive > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > ide2 at 0xb000-0xb007,0xb402 on irq 11 > ide3 at 0xbc00-0xbc07,0xc002 on irq 11 > hde: Maxtor 51536U3, 14655MB w/2048kB Cache, > CHS=29777/16/63, UDMA(66) > hdg: WDC WD136BA, 13042MB w/1961kB Cache, > CHS=26500/16/63, UDMA(66) > > > Doesn't this mean that Dma is already turned on? = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
David BAUDENS wrote: > > root écrivit : > > [...] > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > [...] > > Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. Actually, I think imwheel is the culprit: it sure doesn't deliver what promised. So, waiting for a better understanding of how it works, I'd like to disable it: can I safely uninstall it or is it better to comment it out (what's the script in question?)? I must say I am mildly disappointed with this release, mainly because of details like this; even Netscape is behaving funny, when I launch it the window is blank and useless for about 5 minutes, then it comes to life: never seen this before, abrupt termination was the norm :) Mind you: it still is one of the best, if not the best, Linux distribution IMHO. Just needing some refining here and there. > -- > MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] corrupt RPM database, what then?
Oh oh oh... a little panic from van der Eijk again...
I'm starting to feel guilty...
> > > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm
> > > error: failed dependencies:
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk
> > > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk
> Perform a "rpm -q{p}i --provides" on both gnome-libs 1mdk and 2mdk
> You'll see that the 1mdk does provide libart_lgpl whereas 2mdk won't
> probably provide it (even if the file list contains this file!)
It's even worse...
glibc
x86 alpha
glibc-localedataglibc-localedata
ANSI_X3.110.so ld.so.2
ARMSCII-8.so
ASMO_449.so
BIG5.so
CP1250.so
CP1251.so
CP1252.so
CP1253.so
CP1254.so
CP1255.so
CP1256.so
CP1257.so
CP1258.so
CP737.so
CP775.so
CSN_369103.so
CWI.so
DEC-MCS.so
EBCDIC-AT-DE-A.so
EBCDIC-AT-DE.so
EBCDIC-CA-FR.so
EBCDIC-DK-NO-A.so
EBCDIC-DK-NO.so
EBCDIC-ES-A.so
EBCDIC-ES-S.so
EBCDIC-ES.so
EBCDIC-FI-SE-A.so
EBCDIC-FI-SE.so
EBCDIC-FR.so
EBCDIC-IS-FRISS.so
EBCDIC-IT.so
EBCDIC-PT.so
EBCDIC-UK.so
EBCDIC-US.so
ECMA-CYRILLIC.so
EUC-CN.so
EUC-JP.so
EUC-KR.so
...
..
.
and the list goes on...
Something went very wrong on my alpha... the Glibc package it produces
doesn't provide much... hmmm
> This is due to problems while building the new RPM. Try to monitor the
> rebuild of the new RPM and see why the "find provides" probably fails to
> complete gracefully..
Small bit from the glibc buildoutput:
Failed to find Provides:
Provides: glibc-localedata ld.so.2
PreReq: /sbin/ldconfig
Obsoletes: zoneinfo libc-static libc-devel libc-profile libc-headers
linuxthreads gencat locale glibc-localedata
Processing files: glibc-devel-2.1.3-7mdk
Finding Provides: (using /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides)...
line 532: Dependency tokens must begin with alpha-numeric, '_' or '/': -
first build for 2.0.96
See... I'm feeling _so_ guilty... all of the packages on my alpha have
this
problem... Now, I'm really wondering WTF caused this...
greetz,
Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Derek Wildstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have a machine with a Mylex DAC960 and an adaptec, the initial probe > > > sees the adaptec, then I answer "yes" for more scsi controllers, select > > > Mylex DAC960 from the list, hit OK and it finds it. I was in an > > > Expert/Development installation. > > > > can you give the output of lspcidrake? > > Here goes =) Probably much more output than needed, but better more than > less. [...] > Mylex Corporation|DAC960PX (STORAGE_RAID DAC960) thanks a lot, got the pb. Tis STORAGE_RAID instead of STORAGE_SCSI. I changed the regexp and that's it :) now, more autodetection... cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
What if you see this at boot-up: HPT366: onboard version of chipset, pin1=1 pin2=2 PCI: HPT366: Fixing interrupt 11 pin 2 to ZERO HPT366: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 98 HPT366: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide2: BM-DMA at 0xb800-0xb807, BIOS settings: hde:DMA, hdf:pio HPT366: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 99 HPT366: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide3: BM-DMA at 0xc400-0xc407, BIOS settings: hdg:DMA, hdh:pio hda: CD-ROM 45X, ATAPI CDROM drive hdc: YAMAHA CRW8424E, ATAPI CDROM drive hde: Maxtor 51536U3, ATA DISK drive hdg: WDC WD136BA, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 ide2 at 0xb000-0xb007,0xb402 on irq 11 ide3 at 0xbc00-0xbc07,0xc002 on irq 11 hde: Maxtor 51536U3, 14655MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=29777/16/63, UDMA(66) hdg: WDC WD136BA, 13042MB w/1961kB Cache, CHS=26500/16/63, UDMA(66) Doesn't this mean that Dma is already turned on? >From: Eugenio Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] U66 solved >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:47:53 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB16FF6F0062D820F3C8D84754234A0B0; Sun Jun 18 22:49:35 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00834for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 >00:48:51 -0500 >Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (web121.yahoomail.com >[205.180.60.129]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP > id AAA00302 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:47:13 > -0500 >Received: (qmail 14189 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2000 05:47:53 - >Received: from [207.36.26.197] by web121.yahoomail.com; Sun,18 Jun 2000 >22:47:53 PDT >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 18 22:51:13 2000 >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 1232 >Precedence: list > > >--- bobby dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze > > the system before would > > work? > >Nooo! For UltraDMA2 on your fisrst ide drive, it would >be something like this (for an explanation of the >number after the -X, see the man page of hdparm): > >hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hda > >or for an older EIDE drive: > >hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hda > >**Please note this is dangerous stuff; if you punch in >a mode that does not corresponds to what your >drive/controller is capable, under some circumstances >it could lead to a corrupted file systems. > >= > >Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE >Linux Engineer >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2?
Try at ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-crypto/7.1/ Also sprach lun, 19 jun 2000 : > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Molnar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2? > > > > > > you need qt2.1.1 and you need openssl. > > > > -Chris > > I see no openssl package in cooker. I am using the rpmfind.net mirror. Will > the openssl rpm package for SuSE work or should I compile from source? > > Hoyt -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.
Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
> > I have a machine with a Mylex DAC960 and an adaptec, the initial probe > > sees the adaptec, then I answer "yes" for more scsi controllers, select > > Mylex DAC960 from the list, hit OK and it finds it. I was in an > > Expert/Development installation. > > can you give the output of lspcidrake? Here goes =) Probably much more output than needed, but better more than less. -dwild [root@foghorn dwild]# lspcidrake Intel Corporation|440GX - 82443GX Host bridge (unknown ignore) Intel Corporation|440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge (unknown ignore) Adaptec|7896 (STORAGE_SCSI aic7xxx) Adaptec|7896 (STORAGE_SCSI aic7xxx) Intel Corporation|82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (NETWORK_ETHERNET eepro100) Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ISA (unknown unknown) Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 IDE (STORAGE_IDE unknown) Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 USB (SERIAL_USB usb-uhci) Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (unknown unknown) Cirrus Logic|GD 5480 (DISPLAY_VGA Card:Cirrus Logic GD5480) DEC|DECchip 21150 (unknown unknown) Intel Corporation|80960RP [i960 RP Microprocessor/Bridge] (unknown unknown) Mylex Corporation|DAC960PX (STORAGE_RAID DAC960) [root@foghorn dwild]# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge 00:0c.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7896 00:0c.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7896 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) 00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) 01:0f.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21150 (rev 06) 02:07.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 80960RP [i960 RP Microprocessor/Bridge] (rev 03) 02:07.1 RAID bus controller: Mylex Corporation DAC960PX (rev 03) [root@foghorn dwild]# lspci -vvv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B+ 00:0c.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 7896 Subsystem: Adaptec: Unknown device 080f Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B- Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 Flags: PMEClk- AuxPwr- DSI- D1- D2- PME- Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- 02:07.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 80960RP [i960 RP Microprocessor/Bridge] (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B+ Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B- 02:07.1 RAID bus controller: Mylex Corporation DAC960PX (rev 03) Subsystem: Mylex Corporation: Unknown device 0010 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B+ Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR-
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: > I've talked to a lot of ex-mandrake users who switched to debian simply for apt, > and who also said they wouldn't gladly switch back if RPM was hacked up to be > more robust, flexiable, and reliable as deb(dpkg,apt). Er... rpm *is* IMHO more flexible than deb*. AFAIK the deb packages are only simple ar-archives with simple shell- scripts for de-/installation. Maybe this has changed meanwhile, don't know. RPM offers a set of powerful macros which are easy to use but also give complete control and offer more information about a package and its dependencies. RPM offers you also simple control of compiler options at build time (e.g. i386, i486 etc.) When I decided to use a package system for managing my private programs and tools I looked at .deb and .rpm and decided to use the more powerful rpm package system. And please remember: A package is always as good as its creator! ;-) Just my $0.02 - Windows users go to Gates heaven, Linux users go everywhere ! Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2?
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Molnar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2? > > you need qt2.1.1 and you need openssl. > > -Chris I see no openssl package in cooker. I am using the rpmfind.net mirror. Will the openssl rpm package for SuSE work or should I compile from source? Hoyt
[Cooker] KDE and french characters
Hello, I´ve installed Mandrake 7.1 a few days ago and I´m unable to type french characters in any KDE-aware application. My keyboard layout is US english. In every KDE-unaware application (emacs, gEdit, ...) I can type "ê" by using Alt_R + "^" and "e". But with KDE application, the same sequence gives me "^e". I'm not using the international keyboard module. Is it a bug in KDE? Can I force KDE to use my settings for X? Is it only a matter of editing a config file? Before installing Mandrake 7.1, I was using RedHat 6.1 (with the same XF86Config) and I did not had this problem. Thanks. Denis -- ___ Denis Pelletier Étudiant au doctorat sciences économiques, Université de Montreal
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Quel Qun wrote: > I cannot believe that! > I reported this conflict between nfs-client and quota at least a thousand > million times! > So if cooker members are so valuable, then don't loose our reports. > I have felt this way too. Ei ther report a bug and have it ignored, or worse, be told that for some reason it is supposed to be that way. I really think a) all bugs reported that aren't going to be immediately addressed should be put in a todo pile, and someone should reply that the bug has been noted b) if the package maintainer somehow claims it is not a bug, someone else, or maybe at least a few people, should also respond as to whther it is a bug or not. Somtimes it is because they have no intention of fixing it for that release, and ignore the report. Still, as I said in a) ignoring it for the time being doesn't mean you have to ignore the message alltogether.
Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2?
And what about libasound.so.1 which i found only in alsalibs ? Also sprach lun, 19 jun 2000 : > you need qt2.1.1 and you need openssl. > > -Chris > > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Hoyt wrote: > > > I have downloaded the KDE2 rpms from cooker contribs. The addition of the > > scripts rpm is wonderful. Thanks. > > > > What other packages do I need to install KDE2 on my M7.1 system? QT 2.x > > packages from cooker? Any others that the kde*2- packages depends on? > > > > Hoyt -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
>From: Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1 >Date: 18 Jun 2000 12:32:08 +0200 > > > > The nsf-utils RPM includes the essential file /usr/sbin/exportfs > > without the execution of which no mount points may be exported so > > that nfs mounts can not be made. > > > > An attempt to manually install nfs-utils from the 7.1 tree led to: > > > > file /usr/sbin/rpc.rquotad from install of nfs-utils-0.1.7-2mdk > > conflicts with file from package quota-1.66-11mdk > > > > and nfs-utils will not install, even with all the overrides. > >Yes you r right nfs-utils conflicts with quota, this gonna be >corrected. > >This is our fault but it is hard to test all the combination of >installed packages, and this is why you, cooker members, are so >precious to us. > I cannot believe that! I reported this conflict between nfs-client and quota at least a thousand million times! So if cooker members are so valuable, then don't loose our reports. Sorry for the grunt, but I can't help it. Now the (nice) show must go on. =-= kk1 Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2?
you need qt2.1.1 and you need openssl. -Chris On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Hoyt wrote: > I have downloaded the KDE2 rpms from cooker contribs. The addition of the > scripts rpm is wonderful. Thanks. > > What other packages do I need to install KDE2 on my M7.1 system? QT 2.x > packages from cooker? Any others that the kde*2- packages depends on? > > Hoyt > > >
RE: [Cooker] Cooker Cleaner needed
Thanks all!!! Ill have to get that stuff working... im waisting too much harddrive space as is thanx again dave On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Depends on how you actually perform the mirroring. A good mirror tool > (fmirror?) should do it. > > I personally use rsync. There's an option in rsync that will delete any > files that no longer exist on the master site. I think I use something like > the following.. > > rsync -av --progress --delete --exclude "*.src.rpm" > rsync://blah.com/Mandrake-devel /mirror/Mandrake-devel > > (That is all one big line..) > > To break that down.. > -av = Archive and verbose mode > --progress = Show me what's going on > --delete = Delete packages that no longer exist > --exclude "*.src.rpm" = I don't want source RPMs > rsync://blah.com/Mandrake-devel = The server and tree I'm mirroring > /mirror/Mandrake-devel = Where I'm keeping the mirror locally > > Works like a charm. =) > > Don Head > Linux Mentor > Wave Technologies, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Armisis Aieoln > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 6/18/00 1:33 PM > Subject: [Cooker] Cooker Cleaner needed > > Hello again all, Just writing to see if anyone can suggest a utility for > cleaning out old versions of my RPMS/files from my > /Mandrake-devel/cooker > directory... The more I upgrade the more old stuff gets left behind and > I have > to manualy get in there and root arround for stuff that is no longer > needed or > outdated. I was hoping some one has already addressed this issue but If > not I > would love to try to make a script or something to do the job, but I > dont know > where to begin in writing such a tool. > > Dave > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > LINUX - Why? > Cause I dont do windows > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= LINUX - Why? Cause I dont do windows -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
[Cooker] problems with new Mesa package ?
I was quite a bit surprised when X refused to start anymore just after installing imwheel. After a few inquiries, the responsability was to recently installed new Mesa 3.2 packages. There must be a conflict either with XFree 4 or with my Voodoo card at startup, but i can't say more. I can send my log file if someone is interested in this topic. -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.
[Cooker] What are the latest support packages needed for KDE2?
I have downloaded the KDE2 rpms from cooker contribs. The addition of the scripts rpm is wonderful. Thanks. What other packages do I need to install KDE2 on my M7.1 system? QT 2.x packages from cooker? Any others that the kde*2- packages depends on? Hoyt
RE: [Cooker] U66 solved
I have reported the same problem even with the -X option. I've tried various settings on the X flag and when I turned on DMA Transfer, it would crash also. B. K. Barley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] U66 solved "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze the system before would > work? nope, froze anyway here :(
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
Hello Pixel, On 19 Jun 2000 11:12:38 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Monday, June 19, 2000, 4:12:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Pixel wrote: > "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? >> >> So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze the system before would >> work? > nope, froze anyway here :( Now a more intriguing question is, has anyone tried to replace these drives under waranty as being out of spec??? They claim to be UDMA66 and they donot run properly so what about getting ones money back... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] Install from running environment?
Pixel wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Is there a a way to install 7.1 from within a running version of > > linux if it is already running the same kernel? I don't see any > > problem with this but I don't know how to do it. > > you mean upgrade ??? I imagine he means the ability to install Linux on to a new partition while running a (presently non-existent) version of DrakX from another running Linux partition. The big advantage of such a facility would be the removal of the requirement to dedicate the entire machine exclusively to the installation job for an hour or so. You could then set the install going, perhaps as a background process, and continue with your normal Linux activities (like web surfing, messaging, game playing, watching television, beta testing, or even application development) while the install to another partition is going on. Of course rpm would need the ability to operate on a specified mounted partition rather than the present default assumption of the currently running Linux partition. In these times of cheap hard disk space, this approach makes great sense, and might IMO have been a much easier starting point for developing an installer. It is of course no good for doing the very first Linux install - but maybe eg tomsrtbt might provide enough platform to run such an installer? -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
David Foresman wrote: > > >From all my testing. The crypto works fine from within IPmasq if you have a > static IP on your inside box (192.168.1.x). I setup a dhcp server on my > masq box and received my address internally via dhcp, and i got the Bad Peer > Address error during crypto install. Both the inside machines IP addresses and the external gateway (cable) IP address are all fixed addresses. During install on the masq'd machine I gave the dotted quad address of the gateway machine to the installer. The installer neglects to collect the information necessary to be able to set up /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch. Also neglects to set up /etc/lpd, without which how can the test of a remote printer ever succeed?Perhaps one day ... -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
Civileme wrote: > > To suggest a possible reason > > Active vs passive ftp--I think the install is using Active FTP port commands > at that point.. I have experienced the same when behind a masquerading > firewall. And I don't use anything beyond the three-line masquerade for my > firewalling (plus a few recognition-and-response daemons of my own devising, > which I had turned off), Without a firewall, active or passive should make no difference? Active requires the ability for the remote server to make a TCP SYN connection to the client (but the firewall prevents incoming TCP connections). With the gateway firewall down, except for masquerading, I still have the /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp module loaded. Significant? Dunno. -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Bryan Paxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But what are the drawbacks ? Are there any at all ? 1. We have to be Redhat-compatible. 2. Our whole pool of software has long been made with rpm specfiles. 3. RPM is more widely known and used. 4. deb format is not so much superior to rpm format. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] fetchmail-5.4.0-1mdk.i586.rpm hangs
"Geoffrey Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:33 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Cooker] fetchmail-5.4.0-1mdk.i586.rpm hangs > > > > > > Hi to all. > > > > I noticed that also Mandrake 7.1 is affected by mysterious hangs of > > Red Hat 6.2 [ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/NEWS ]. > > > > > > > > ALSO there is a license problem, license is GPL not distributable fixing it. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] Many packages suddenly not building.... (looks ugly)
Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Anyway, if you're building packages it might be better to stay off of > > > the latest rpm for a while, until the water has cleared ;-) > > > Chmouel, agree? > > > > Hugh i didn't any major thing in the API of rpmlib. > > humm ok it's the change to the %configure macros, now to fix this use > the %makeinstall in the spec file, rather of : > > make install prefix=foo this=bar > > %makeinstall should do the job. Yes but we need to know *why* this happens, in order to compile the software which won't support the %makeinstall script.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
>From all my testing. The crypto works fine from within IPmasq if you have a static IP on your inside box (192.168.1.x). I setup a dhcp server on my masq box and received my address internally via dhcp, and i got the Bad Peer Address error during crypto install. - Original Message - From: "Civileme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1 > On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > Graham Percival wrote: > > > > > Really? I've never had problems installing crypto RPMs on my > > > masq'ed internal network. Maybe you configured your NAT / firewall > > > incorrectly. > > > > Same problem even with the gateway machine firewall taken down > > (except for masquerading). > > > > Error box is: > > > > An error occurred > > Net::FTP: Bad peer adddress ...propagated. > > > > The install then loops around repeatedly trying the crypto > > download. I have to hit a lower star to recover. > > > > This occurs on any choice of mirror, and is quite uninformative to me > > on what the error was and what needs to be done to fix it. > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux. > > To suggest a possible reason > > Active vs passive ftp--I think the install is using Active FTP port commands > at that point.. I have experienced the same when behind a masquerading > firewall. And I don't use anything beyond the three-line masquerade for my > firewalling (plus a few recognition-and-response daemons of my own devising, > which I had turned off), > > Civileme > >
Re: [Cooker] corrupt RPM database, what then?
Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.2.1-2mdk.alpha.rpm
> > error: failed dependencies:
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by ee-0.3.11-5mdk
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by libglade-0.13-1mdk
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-media-1.0.51-3mdk
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnome-linuxconf-0.23-2mdk
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gtop-1.0.7-0.4mdk
> > libart_lgpl.so.2 is needed by gnomba-0.6.2-4mdk
Stefan,
Perform a "rpm -q{p}i --provides" on both gnome-libs 1mdk and 2mdk
You'll see that the 1mdk does provide libart_lgpl whereas 2mdk won't
probably provide it (even if the file list contains this file!)
This is due to problems while building the new RPM. Try to monitor the
rebuild of the new RPM and see why the "find provides" probably fails to
complete gracefully..
--
Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] CD vs FTP download
"Steven J Mackenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > I'm a bit confused by the new larger Mandrake distribution. > > I download my Mandrake cooker over a 64K ISDN line. Because I download from > the ftp site, it doesn't matter if the download gets interupted, for instace > by a new RPM going in to the archive. When it's finished I can resync the > archive, run mkhdlist, and burn it to CD > > But I can't do this anymore as all the RPMS are in one directory, so it's > too big for a CD. (It's also too big for the parittion I download to !) > > Is it possible to split the "extra" RPMS in to a seperate directory to make > it easier to build my CDs? We cannot do this; because it would revert to the problem we had the last 15 days, the FTP install will hang waiting for you to "change the media".. You have several solutions: . d/l an ISO image . install via FTP . split the rpm's in two separate directories; use the "rpmslist" file for that. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Alex Boag-Munroe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can I get this during installation? yep: % mount /dev/fd0 /fd0 % dmesg > /fd0/syslog % lspci > /fd0/lspci % cat /proc/bus/pci/devices > /fd0/pci % umount /fd0 (using a fat formatted floppy) [...] > give your /proc/pci, lspcidrake, syslog...
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
David BAUDENS wrote: > > root écrivit : > > [...] > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > [...] > > Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. If I'm not wrong, it's launched automatically at startup time. > -- > MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
RE: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Can I get this during installation?
-Original Message-
From: Pixel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 June 2000 12:11
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Alex Boag-Munroe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Unfortunately, I was running in Expert mode, but still no joy. Finds the
on
> board adaptec, but not interested in the DAC960
give your /proc/pci, lspcidrake, syslog...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Derek Wildstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
> I have a machine with a Mylex DAC960 and an adaptec, the initial probe
> sees the adaptec, then I answer "yes" for more scsi controllers, select
> Mylex DAC960 from the list, hit OK and it finds it. I was in an
> Expert/Development installation.
>
give your /proc/pci, lspcidrake!
thanks, cu Pixel.
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Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > > Really? I've never had problems installing crypto RPMs on my > > masq'ed internal network. Maybe you configured your NAT / firewall > > incorrectly. > > Same problem even with the gateway machine firewall taken down > (except for masquerading). > > Error box is: > > An error occurred > Net::FTP: Bad peer adddress ...propagated. > > The install then loops around repeatedly trying the crypto > download. I have to hit a lower star to recover. > > This occurs on any choice of mirror, and is quite uninformative to me > on what the error was and what needs to be done to fix it. > > -- > > Regards, > > Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux. To suggest a possible reason Active vs passive ftp--I think the install is using Active FTP port commands at that point.. I have experienced the same when behind a masquerading firewall. And I don't use anything beyond the three-line masquerade for my firewalling (plus a few recognition-and-response daemons of my own devising, which I had turned off), Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Alex Boag-Munroe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Unfortunately, I was running in Expert mode, but still no joy. Finds the on > board adaptec, but not interested in the DAC960 give your /proc/pci, lspcidrake, syslog... > > -Original Message- > From: Derek Wildstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] > I have a machine with a Mylex DAC960 and an adaptec, the initial probe > sees the adaptec, then I answer "yes" for more scsi controllers, select > Mylex DAC960 from the list, hit OK and it finds it. I was in an > Expert/Development installation. > give your /proc/pci, lspcidrake! thanks, cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
it's trakman marble plus On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Christopher Gallant écrivit : > > > You guys can get mouse wheel to work? damn mine doesnt i have the logitech > > with the thumb marble, And i have launced Imwheel too no scroll > > > ? What is the name of this mouse (it's write under the mouse). > > -- > MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David
RE: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
Unfortunately, I was running in Expert mode, but still no joy. Finds the on
board adaptec, but not interested in the DAC960
-Original Message-
From: Derek Wildstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 June 2000 3:54
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mylex RAID controllers, and Adaptec ones too
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Alberto Passariello wrote:
> > > Does anyone know why I can't get Mandrake 7.1 to acknowledge my Mylex
RAID
> > > controller? It is in the list, but won't see it, it only sees my
Adaptec
> > > 2940.
> >
> > strange, it should work. 7.0 had a pb and patch fixed it... 7.1 has the
> > patch
> > already
I have a machine with a Mylex DAC960 and an adaptec, the initial probe
sees the adaptec, then I answer "yes" for more scsi controllers, select
Mylex DAC960 from the list, hit OK and it finds it. I was in an
Expert/Development installation.
-dwild
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Re: [Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Bryan Paxton wrote: > I've talked to a lot of ex-mandrake users who switched to debian simply for apt, > and who also said they wouldn't gladly switch back if RPM was hacked up to be > more robust, flexiable, and reliable as deb(dpkg,apt). I for myself was once also a happy debian user. But I changed to Red Hat and later to Mandrake because of various reasons. Do not use this as an argument, I know enough people who'd quit with debian and are know using SuSE or Redhat. > The first is a waste of time and man power IMHO. As Debian reinvented the wheel with it's package format some years ago, it was a waste of resources. They could have also improved RPM instead. There were no technical arguments to do otherwise, it was as allways some political and emotional choise, wasn't it? > Debian's package system is right there to be used, why try to re-invent the > wheel ? It just doesn't make sense to do so. To reuse your words, it just doesn't make sense to do otherwise. > But what are the drawbacks ? Are there any at all ? Yeah, of course, there allways are, aren't there? Face it, RPM is mainstream, if you like it or not! What I value is, I can go to any project homepage and gladly find some rpms but rarly debs. Software developer could use time better than having to support different package formats to distribute their software. What Linux needs last is many package formats. One it enough. And when you look at numbers it's not deb. Of course it could be deb but as the mojority of distributions and other software projects goes with rpm it would'nt be wise to switch to deb, better to improve rpm. What does the Linux Standard Project says about this matter? Cheers, ~Andreas
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
Christopher Gallant écrivit : > You guys can get mouse wheel to work? damn mine doesnt i have the logitech > with the thumb marble, And i have launced Imwheel too no scroll ? What is the name of this mouse (it's write under the mouse). -- MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com PARIS, FRANCE --David
Re: [Cooker] Install from running environment?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is there a a way to install 7.1 from within a running version of > linux if it is already running the same kernel? I don't see any > problem with this but I don't know how to do it. you mean upgrade ???
[Cooker] RPM(s) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Before I get started I'm only looking at this from a face value perspective. The nitty gritty details I'm sure will come out later in this thread if it becomes one : ) RPM is reliable, it has proven to be so for the most part. But deb truely has it beat in more than one way. Dependancy handling... For one the package system is not decentralised which gives it the upperhand on dealing with dependices and the over all system(DB) of packages. The the second, which really attracts most users is apt, nothing really needs to be said about this other than it can't get any better than this. Run time dist upgrades is another advantage of apt. It's plain as day that 'apt-get dist upgrade' is a much better soulution than trying to figure "do I need this or this or this ?" from an ftp mirror of mandrake. I've talked to a lot of ex-mandrake users who switched to debian simply for apt, and who also said they wouldn't gladly switch back if RPM was hacked up to be more robust, flexiable, and reliable as deb(dpkg,apt). There's only one of two solutions here. 1) Simply get hands dirty by diving into the RPM source code and hack it up 2) Switch to debian package system The first is a waste of time and man power IMHO. Debian's package system is right there to be used, why try to re-invent the wheel ? It just doesn't make sense to do so. But what are the drawbacks ? Are there any at all ? Personally I don't see so, but I'm really only touching on this subject at face value. I await the flame : ) -- Bryan Paxton "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it." -- Linus Torvalds. Public key can be found at http://speedbros.org/Bryan_Paxton.asc
Re: [Cooker] kernel compil
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Diablero wrote: > Why when I recompile my kernel smp, the name of kernel and location of > modules is not smp ? > Probably because you didn't change the EXTRAVERSION in Makefile :) You can give the kernel any version number you like, see the tope of the Makefile. -- Francis Galiegue, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Programming is a race between programmers, who try and make more and more idiot-proof software, and universe, which produces more and more remarkable idiots. Until now, universe leads the race" -- R. Cook
Re: [Cooker] U66 solved
"bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you mean the -d flag without the -X flags? > > So, you can say -dX and those WD drives that froze the system before would > work? nope, froze anyway here :(
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
You guys can get mouse wheel to work? damn mine doesnt i have the logitech with the thumb marble, And i have launced Imwheel too no scroll > root écrivit : > > [...] > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > [...] > > Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. > > -- > MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
root écrivit : [...] > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. [...] Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. -- MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com PARIS, FRANCE --David
[Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
I've just finished upgrading to LM 7.1 and I'm generally pleased with. There is one feature, however, that resulted in a mild disappointment: wheelmouse support. I have a Logitech wheelmouse (don't remember the exact model name) that worked perfectly under Linux Mandrake 7.0, that is, it worked great with GTK/GNOME applications and, after applying a patch (thanks Daniel!), with Netscape too; it didn't work with KDE applications. Now, I was eager to try the 7.1 release because the feature list said "Wheel mouses are now fully functionnal with most applications (netscape, gnome, KDE, etc.)". What happened: 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. Now it seems to me that this is a classical "one step forward, two step backwards" situation, that is, if I haven't messed up something :) (but this is Mandrake 7.1 right out of the box, so I think it's not the case). Question(s): is this being worked upon in the cooker version? is there a patch or something that can be applied to correct the above situation? Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] SHOW-STOPPER: Cannot export file systems with 7.1
Graham Percival wrote: > Really? I've never had problems installing crypto RPMs on my > masq'ed internal network. Maybe you configured your NAT / firewall > incorrectly. Same problem even with the gateway machine firewall taken down (except for masquerading). Error box is: An error occurred Net::FTP: Bad peer adddress ...propagated. The install then loops around repeatedly trying the crypto download. I have to hit a lower star to recover. This occurs on any choice of mirror, and is quite uninformative to me on what the error was and what needs to be done to fix it. -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
