[Cooker] [Bug 4495] [Installation] basesystem package not selected
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4495 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-09-09 21:46 --- RC2 has this bug as well.. Still... This sucks,. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: I'm trying to update 9.1 with cooker 9.2 (network FTP update) and I have this error: Une erreur est survenue basesystem package not selected My 9.1 has been a lot modified so it may not to be a real but...
[Cooker] samba-client
I just wanted to post my experience with the samba-client (2.2.6-1.0.pre2.2mdk) package from a clean MDK 9 install: * Able to browse samba clients * Unable to mount samba shares * fstab/netfs wouldn't mount samba shares Upgraded to samba-client-2.2.6-4mdk.i586.rpm and all is right in the world. I've checked the changelog and couldn't find any reference to this problem. My biggest concern is that stuff like this has happened in the past. (USB devices, video cards, etc...) Recently I took a survey given by Mandrake. It was about our experiences with Linux/Mandrake/OSS. One of the questions was whether or not the latest and greatest software should be released in the final distro or would it be better to release a little older more stable packages. The more conservative answer to this is to use the more thoroughly tested package I am involved in a project deploying Mandrake on the desktop at a San Diego, CA based corporation. Mandrake was the one distro that I have had the best luck with when trying to get end users excited about Linux. I am committed to promoting Linux, and especially Mandrake, if for no other reason than to increase the number of Linux users and to change the perception of Linux on the desktop. However, when I am in a situation that allows me to use the distro as an example and I am forced to spend a couple of hours to track down some strange nuance like the one stated above, I get concerned about what others might be experiencing while in a similar position as myself. Is there any resource to turn to for deploying Mandrake on the desktop in a corporate environment? MandrakeBizCases has some great war stories, but I am looking for more of a repository of scripts and tips to get Mandrake up on its feet ASAP. A lot of the issues we are currently having is related to the lack of Office software compatibility, a decent 5250 terminal emulator that doesn't lock up and provides the same features as IBM's Client Access TE... My point is that I have a lot of issues, and I'm sure I'm not alone, that I could use some help addressing. Where would be the best place to start a repository like this? (Mandrake Linux for Corporate Deployment) Any ideas? Thanks for letting me rant sam
Re: [Cooker] samba-client
thanks Todd, but mount -t smbfs did the same thing. Have you ever experienced a bad install of a package? Does this happen? Usually rpm/urpmi lets me know when things aren't kosher... sam On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 17:08, Todd Lyons wrote: Sam Morrison wrote on Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 05:00:49PM -0800 : I just wanted to post my experience with the samba-client (2.2.6-1.0.pre2.2mdk) package from a clean MDK 9 install: This is the Cooker list and as such is really not the appropriate place for it, but since you did mention that a Cooker package fixed it, then you are probably within the safe zone. :) * Able to browse samba clients * Unable to mount samba shares If you use mount -t smbfs instead of smbmount, it should work normally. * fstab/netfs wouldn't mount samba shares That's interesting. Maybe Sylvestre or his team have some insight into this? Blue skies... Todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.19-18mdk
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Made Easy: a modest suggestion for Windowsusers
How about adding a Linux user for each user configured for the Windows install? sam On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 18:38, Leon Brooks wrote: On Tuesday 05 November 2002 09:15 am, Ben Reser wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:35:51AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: * ICQ/IRC/AIM/MSN settings - EveryBuddy everybuddy already has an import feature to import ICQ99 contact lists. Yes. The trick is getting this to happen during the install, without any special user knowledge, and particularly if you are *replacing* Windows on this machine. AIM, MSN and Yahoo stores buddies on the server so it's not a big deal. IRC would be difficult to do since there are so many different IRC clients and the scripts used in them are so different. There are a few very common ones like mIRC that Mandrake could cater for - at least dredge out the bookmark-equivalents (servers, channels, nicks) and nail them into a Linux client or several. Cheers; Leon
RE: [Cooker] bash: TMOUT: readonly variable
Every time I open a term I see:
bash: TMOUT: readonly variable
at the top, then I get the prompt.
Hi Murry,
Did you add export TMOUT=0 to your .bashrc in effort to override the
defaults set in msec? When I did I got the error you are reporting. That
variable is set when /etc/sysconfig/msec is imported into the main
system profile. However, altering that file will NOT stop the default
auto-logout behavior -- msec will regenerate /etc/sysconfig/msec. You
need to change the actual msec script by using an override value in
/etc/security/msec/level.local. So create a file
/etc/security/msec/level.local that contains:
msec.set_shell_variable('TMOUT', 0) -- this is the wrong syntax, btw.
I am still trying to locate the right syntax.
HTH,
Sam Stern
Bethesda, Md, USA
Re: install problem
I have a power tower pro mac clone and im trying to install on a scsi hd. The cd i downloaded is mandrake ppc 8.0 it seems to install ok except that the screen goes to the part where it goes to second stage install then the screen turns a dark blue with very low screen resolution with black text. I have two monitors and no matter which video card i use its the same. I can't read the text enough to choose what language or packages to install . I noticed the same problem with suse ppc but the yellowdog linux showed up just fine. Is there something im not aware of? sam from alaska
Re: [Cooker] MandrakeUpdate
Another problem with Mandrake update for 72. I downloaded the update files to disk, chose the disk option and browsed to the directory they were stored. I told update to update the list and it tried to go to the mirrors instead of the disk. No matter what I do, it refuses to look at the disk. This brought up another issue. RPMdrake is great for installing new packages but pretty useless for doing updates. The tree listed all of the update packages downloaded (I didn't need all of them, but I was trying this out). This would be fine, except I only wanted to install the updated packages, and I had no way of knowing which ones to check from the list. I brought up kpackage and used it instead. To be honest, I feel kpackage is still WAY ahead of rpmdrake. If you're going to include this package, it seems it should have at least the same functionality as kpackage, otherwise it's just wasted disk space. Sam Original Message On 11/18/2000, 2:17:25 PM, Armisis Aieoln [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [Cooker] MandrakeUpdate: After running mandrakeupdate, i ran it again a day or so latter to see what was out there, well it was the same things i had just downloaded, so i told it to update it all, it downloaded everything, i dont get any errors, and then check for update again, wow there are the same things again still showing that i need to update whats up? dave -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Linux - Cause I dont do windows or ovens! [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Registered System: 83659
Re: [Cooker] Success with NVidia feedback [ NVidia driver for Linux/XFree86 ]
I have one- do you have a question? Are there any owners of Happauge (i believe that's the spelling) video cards on list? PROPOSAL: ~ Let's collect suggestions/questions to NVidia together, and send them all collected to NVidia. At least now we have contact person. BR, Vadim
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll save the partition table since I'm going to use Disk drak to partition the drive. BTW- it would be REALLY nice if I could launch diskdrak without going through the install. I'd like to partition the drive, install windows first, then install Mandrake so I don't loose the boot loader from installing windoze after linux. Is this possible? If not, then take it as a suggestion fo dual boot machines. (building a new machine would be easier) Unfortunately I can't get totally away from windoze as there is some software I use for work that there's no Linux equivalent for (programming/setting up of PLC's, industrial control systems and measuring devices) Sam Original Message On 11/13/00, 7:47:55 AM, Christopher Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [Cooker] Suggestion: On Sunday 12 November 2000 11:03, you wrote: The partition table is now screwed and Mandrake wouldn't boot because the root and home partitions now have new drive #'s. The problem was not caused be mandrake, but once this is fixed it will require reinstallation. It would be nice to have a floppy to stick in and just have it start reinstalling mandrake without having to pick all of the packages again. Sorry about the partition table. I have a suggestion though, have you considered doing an expert install and at the DiskDrak screen choose to save the partition table to a floppy? This may help you in the future. It is possible that when you re-load your partition table at this point all of your lost information will be back :-) Another trick that I have used in the past is immediatly after doing your install go into fdisk, READ ONLY, and copy down all the partition information, start and stop sectors. Then if you have the problem again use your CD as a rescue disk, go into fdisk and enter the exact numbers again. It is possible this will help as well. -Chris
Re: [Cooker] Menus
Loki uses there own installer, similar to the windoze install program. This installer was written based on the KDE 1.X menu structure so doesn't work too well when placing menu items under KDE 2. This brings up another suggestion for Mandrake. Loki has made the code for their installer available for free. You might think about using it as an option on the future versions of the Power Pack releases. This would give windoze users an interface for installing the additional packages that is familiar to them. Personnally, I prefer using the packaage handlers as they make it easier to see what's happening to your system. But one of the appeals of Windoze is it makes installation of software pretty much a no brainer. Original Message On 11/13/00, 9:37:35 AM, Daouda LO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [Cooker] Menus: Armisis Aieoln [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 13 November 2000 15:16, you wrote: [...] install package from different source than mandrake or debian, this package probably not install the correct menu entry in /usr/lib/menu. Corel software, and Loki games As told in this ml (1 week ago) , Corel come with one package menu which screw up our menu if installed. One workaround is to delete this package in dist/redhat/i386 before installing. Drawback: u don't have a menu entry on desktop and must launch corel from shell. Maybe the same for loki games ... under K plus tuns of other garbage... a menu standard for linux must be developed, it waists too much time to keep updating each menu for each user, and for each desktop gnome kde ect You're completly agree, it's waste of time for packaging task to configure menu entry for each applications with each windows manager. Vince thanks for the help!!! Dave -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Linux - Cause I dont do windows or ovens! [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Registered System: 83659
[Cooker] Suggestion
This got lost in the griping I did in another note, When using customized mode- Please set up the installer so that it creates a floppy for installing Mandrake with the same settings like Expert does. I'm starting to be driven nuts by Win98. I booted it up the other day and a brand new partition appeared (size zero), that I never created and shouldn't exist. The partition table is now screwed and Mandrake wouldn't boot because the root and home partitions now have new drive #'s. The problem was not caused be mandrake, but once this is fixed it will require reinstallation. It would be nice to have a floppy to stick in and just have it start reinstalling mandrake without having to pick all of the packages again.
Re: [Cooker] DSL question
There has been a misunderstanding. I am NOT asking how to set up my DSL service under Linux. What I'm asking is because of a blurb on the mandrake website. It asked people that had DSL to send their information to Mandrake so DSL provider info could be included in the distributions. What I want to know is if Mandrake has the information for Qwest Megabit services yet, and if they don't- what information do they need. Please don't send any more responses about which modem you use. The second part about developing drivers for the Intel modem was a suggestion to Mandrake to make their distribution more marketable. That way someone with the Intel internal modem would not have to go buy the Cisco modem simply because they want to switch to Mandrake. I already know that if you're using Linux, currently the Cisco modem they offer is the only choice of the modems Qwest offers. (Before someone sends a list of compatible DSL moems/routers, I know there are a bunch more. I'm strictly talking about the models in Qwests special offer). Thanks, Sam Original Message On 11/10/00, 10:21:35 PM, "Bruce Gidney" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [Cooker] DSL question: I have QWest DSL and the Cisco 675 external. All you need is to program the modem through a serial port. After that you unplug the serial connection and all is fine. I have had no problems and it runs GREAT! Bruce Gidney - Original Message - From: "Khawar Zia" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 15:39 Subject: Re: [Cooker] DSL question hey, I would recommend u get the external because most probably it will work with Linux. But I am not sure though. Just search for it on google.com to see if that external modem works in Linux or not. Thank You --Khawar "quitedown" Zia - Original Message - From: "Sam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: [Cooker] DSL question I know you are looking for info so you can expand DSL support. Do you have the information on Qwest (use to be US West) DSL service in the US? They're selling DSL like hotcakes. It's seven dollars cheaper than a second phone line. There's no activation or installation fees, and they send you the line filters for 4 phones for free so you can use the same line for voice and DSL. There's even more reasons it's going over so big. The DSL service offerred is at 640K. They either give the subscriber an internal Intel PRO/DSL 2100 modem for free or offer a $250 Cisco external DSL modem for $110. If you don't have the information. What do you need? Also, there are no Linux drivers for the Intel DSL modem. Is this because it works under the same principle as a winmodem? If not, having linux drivers for this modem in the distribution would be a big plus. Sam
[Cooker] Linux, IBM, and an interesting fact
Thought you might find this interesting. IBM, one of the chief corporate proponents of Linux just informed me of the following facts: Question: Can I upgrade Toppage for Windows to Homepage Builder for Linux (Homepage Builder is the new version of Toppage) IBM: No, we don't offer that as an option. You can't do a cross OS upgrade. You'll have to pay full price for the Linux version, but you can upgrade to the Windows version (which I DON'T want to do). Question: So there's no option to upgrade ViaVoice98 for Windows to ViaVoice for Linux. IBM: No. Wow- what a wonderful supporter of Linux. They're really encouraging people to switch over on the desktop aren't they? ;-) Maybe one of the Mandrake folks could give them a call and pound some sense into them. Anyone got a suggestion as to where I could post this so it would embarrass IBM out of there stupid narrow-mindedness? Sam
Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker
Question- 1. Where is NS8, it's not on the netscape website or any download centers. Original Message On 11/10/00, 6:37:32 AM, Meir Faraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker: Hi all , First I wanna to tell you thanks for your greatincroyable works on the cooker devlopment Secondly , could you put the 6 version of netscape on the cooker the final release is out r8 now . thanks a lot ?))
Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker
No mozilla is NOT better. You don't want mozilla on a public release as it is a DEVELOPMENT platform for Netscape. Go to the mozilla website. They try to dissuade the average user from downloading it. I do use Mozilla- it's fast, but is it bug free- no way. Mozilla is development code. As such should only be included as an option for more experienced users, NOT as the sole available browser. It will lock up ocasionally, it will not work on all sites (I found a valid bug in the implementation of Java2 scripts) and it will frustrate an average user. If you want to develop Mandrake for techies, make Mozilla the only browser. If you want Mandrake useable by the public, put in the final release of Netscape. You're in charge of marketing- which has more brand recognition as included package on the side of your box- Mozilla, Netscape or Konqueror. I think the answers obvious. Original Message On 11/10/00, 6:42:40 AM, Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker: Meir Faraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Secondly , could you put the 6 version of netscape on the cooker the final release is out r8 now . isn't that better to switch to mozilla instead ? fcrozat ? -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker
I do use Mozilla- it's fast, but is it bug free- no way. Wrong. The trunk cvs branch is frozen code with bug fixing only. Hmmm seems like a contradiction You say that statement is wrong yet you say it's frozen for bug fixing only :) The reason they freeze it is because they know that they have numerous bugs to squash and it's easier to squash them without adding new code. This is standard practice on what most companies call a final BETA release. The idea is to stomp out as many bugs before proceeding with further development. The 3 commercial packages I beta test for all do the same thing as does Mandrake with Cooker at various times. By no means are any of them considered a final release at that point. Sam
Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker
I know you understand what a beta release is, but this was meant for people that think when they freeze mozilla it's the same as a final release. It just isn't true. Typically the freeze is used so they can do bug fixes and then port that code over to netscape- once netscape's out of beta is where the real final release of the base code will be found. Mozilla continues so it can be developed further for the next release of NS- mabe 6.1? Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but it seems I'm always running into misconceptions about mozilla. BTW it's interesting that AOL's set top box (made by Dell) uses Linux and a browser based on gecko. Original Message On 11/10/00, 8:19:11 AM, Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker: Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason they freeze it is because they know that they have numerous bugs to squash and it's easier to squash them without adding new code. This is standard practice on what most companies call a final BETA release. The idea is to stomp out as many bugs before proceeding with thanks for your enlight on what is it a BETA release :-( -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] About to include netscape6 in the cooker
So sprach Chmouel Boudjnah am Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 06:56:46AM -0800: do you thing that a distribution of 1,2Gb is not enough ? Well, if you include powertools, redhat is at almost 2 Gig. So why not? Although slackware is only 1.5 CD's in size, they have a contributions iso image as the smaller one. Food for thought?
[Cooker] DSL question
I know you are looking for info so you can expand DSL support. Do you have the information on Qwest (use to be US West) DSL service in the US? They're selling DSL like hotcakes. It's seven dollars cheaper than a second phone line. There's no activation or installation fees, and they send you the line filters for 4 phones for free so you can use the same line for voice and DSL. There's even more reasons it's going over so big. The DSL service offerred is at 640K. They either give the subscriber an internal Intel PRO/DSL 2100 modem for free or offer a $250 Cisco external DSL modem for $110. If you don't have the information. What do you need? Also, there are no Linux drivers for the Intel DSL modem. Is this because it works under the same principle as a winmodem? If not, having linux drivers for this modem in the distribution would be a big plus. Sam
Re: [Cooker] Potato Guy kills X session
You got farther than I did, the program never started for me. Original Message On 11/11/00, 10:12:48 PM, "Greg A. Bur" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [Cooker] Potato Guy kills X session: This isn't too terribly important, at least not yet, but while I was exploing the KDE2 menus(looking for garbage to remove) I clicked on the Potato Guy game to see what it was all about. Up popped a rather boring looking graphic and I noticed it was a virtual Mr. Potato Head. Anyway, when I tried playing the game I got slammed back to the console. Has anyone else had this experience with this or perhaps other programs? -- Greg A. Bur [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rivertown-computers.com
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
I'm using a SCSI ORB drive with Mandrake- 2.2GB per disk, $30 per disk, cheaper than a 1GB Jazz drive. Iomega is only still alive because of product name recognition. Everybody with a computer knows what a Zip drive is. Original Message On 11/9/00, 8:58:35 AM, Vadim Plessky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]: On Thursday 09 November 2000 14:21, Giuseppe Ghibo' wrote: | "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: |"What O/S are you running?" |"Uhm, Linux." |"Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." |"No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying |disks." "But we don't support Linux." |"Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically |destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." |"Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." | |That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things |work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a |vendor. | | AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support | their devices. Looks at: | | ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz | | So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) It will not help them to recover as company. With CD-Recorders at $130 level and probably prices for them dropping below $100 next year, I don't see how Iomega can survive. (I told Iomega that they will not survive, when was meeting discussing distributorship with them around 3 years ago. They were very arregant. Didn't wanted to listen, just: our conditions are:... Minimal order is $100K... and so on. We could not agree on that. One year later they came back and asked: please! Answer was _ f_ off ! May be, it will help you a little bit, Brian.) Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Are CD-RW disks/drives fully supported? I am thinking either to assemble PC with internal CD-recorder or to buy external for my notebook. I don't need CD-recorder which is not working in Linux. :-) | | Bye. | Giuseppe -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
[Cooker] ORB drive
I'm using a SCSI ORB drive with Mandrake, but there is one problem. I have to eject the disk and reinsert it before I boot the computer. The reason for this is mandrake does not wait long enough on boot for the drive to spin up. It reports "not a valid block device" and continues booting. Because of this, it will not let me mount the drive after boot. However, if I remove reinsert the disk prior to booting, I can access the drive with no problem from then on.
[Cooker] 7.2 Install from CD
Problems: Expert mode locks up overtime it gets to installing the Zope package. File systems- I set up a workstation as follows 15MB ext2- /boot 2GB ReiserFS- / 2GB ReiserFS- /home Mandrake only saw the first RFS partition when I went to install. Installer told me I only had 1.9GB of HD space. I finally had to go back and combine the two RFS partitions into one huge root partition. Custom- Chose select individual packages. Installer proceeded fine to the configure networking step. After setting up networking (setup for a LAN then for DSL) it looped back to install system and kept looping back regardless of what I did. I finally clicked on install after it looped back and let it install all of the trash I didn't want. After that it would let me continue on. After configuring x, the installer tells you to remove the boot media used, please note that it would not let me eject the cd until after I clicked the OK button. Bootloader, I setup the bootloader to use windows as the default OS. The bootloader never even showed up after mandrake rebooted the PC, it went straight to booting windows. I shut down the pc and did a cold start, the bootloader showed up that time. I thought the installer became buggy when you went to 7.1, but this hits new heights of frustration. After 4 tries and OVER SEVEN HOURS, 7.2 is installed (on only ONE machine), but NOT the way I wanted it installed. I want 2 RFS partitions, none of the junk, and a floppy of the installation configuration. Which I can't get in customized mode. Stop and think about this- if I choose customized don't you think I'd like to have a floppy of the setup in case the HD ever went south? Customized setups can take almost as long as expert ones. Auto dependencies- a couple of times I noticed when I deselected a package it wanted to remove a package it depended on too. The only problem was there were several other packages that needed the additional package, so the list of packages to be removed took up THREE lines in one case. Next I need to install Mandake on a server, If the process goes anything like the first machine I should be done in two days. Sam
[Cooker] Re: Linux vs NT
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: The latest 'Linux is crap because' are : 1) 'Linux is only capable of blocking'. I thought Unix became non blocking about 1980, but I'm not sure. If it did I assume Linux is as well. I know nothing about this. 2) NT / 2000 are completely object oriented from the ground up. Linux / Unix are 'monolithoc monstrosities that wouldn't know an object it it bit them'. I really don't know if the Linux kernel is OO or not. WindowsNT is not an object oriented OS, it is a library oriented OS. Just have them look at their disk drives and count the number of .dll files- i.e. dynamic (loading or linkng, I can never remember which) libraries. What they are referring to are the OLE and ODBC functions of Windows. CORBA gives Linux the same functionality of ODBC, and OLE has caused as many problems as it has benefits. If I install EVERY piece of software that comes on the Mandrake CD,and StarOffice, I have a system that can be used as a web server, development platform, SQL database server and development platform, complete office workstation, graphics workstation (GIMP), HTML authoring system, ftp server, news server, mail server and several other functions. Total hard drive space for ALL of this software and capabilities- 1.5GB. Now who's the monolithic monster? (Oh yeah, them how much this would cost once you include all of the NT plugins and Microsoft add-ons to equal the same capablities. We checked at work and the answer wsa over $5000 in MS licensing fees) 3) 'Linux / Unix is onlycapable of non pre-emptive scheduling, which is crap compared to the vastlysuperior MS models'. Again, I have no answer to this. Windows borrowed the idea of multitasking on a desktop from the Amiga- and did a lousy job of it. UNIX / Linux have supported preemptive multitasking long before MS ever developed a system capable of doing so. This is why most scientific applications still run UNIX. Oh yeah- ask these "smart guys" about clustering technology and what the largest cluster of commercially used NT systems is- I don't know of a single one. Turbolinux has quite a few customers running their clustering Linux technology. Also IBM just announced they are going to build a clustered system using Netfinity servers and Linux to create what will be the 24th most powerful computer in the world. NT is not capable of such a feat at this time.
[Cooker] Fwd: Act on UCITA NOW
Not a cooker issue, but it is a concern to all Linux users. You guys at Mnadrake should be posting info about UCITA to all of your users -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Act on UCITA NOW Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:20:39 -0500 From: Skip Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] An update on Maryland and the rest of the country ACTION NEEDED NOW!! In the Maryland House of Delegates, the Science and Technology Subcommittee is completing its work on the Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA). On Wednesday, March 22, 2000 the Subcommittee completed its public hearings on UCITA and commenced its private deliberations concerning amendments to the legislation. No word as of yet concerning the ultimate outcome of these deliberations. Overall, it is unlikely that the changes will be capable of addressing the many deficiencies identified in UCITA. Rumor has it that House deliberations on the UCITA measure may start as soon as Saturday, March 25, 2000 but more than likely, on Monday, March 27, 2000. It is IMPERATIVE that Delegates hear that UCITA is seriously flawed and should be opposed. If you have not yet written, faxed or e-mailed your Maryland representatives, you should do so NOW. (You may contact your representative via e-mail at: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/hseal.html) In the Maryland Senate, the Senate Finance Committee Working Group on UCITA has one remaining meeting on Monday, March 27, 2000 at 3:00 p.m.. in the James Senate Office Building. Anyone in the Annapolis, MD area is strongly encouraged to attend these meetings. The meetings are open to the public and the Senators would be very interested to know how you feel. Again, if you have not written, e-mailed, or faxed your Senator, now is the time. (You may contact your Senator at: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/05sen/html/senal.html) Maryland's legislative session ends on April 10, 2000 and so very little time is left to effect significant changes to UCITA. The correspondence to date has been very effective at slowing down the UCITA juggernaut. In the home stretch, a large amount of correspondence will result in putting UCITA off for a year or even killing the measure. Every letter and call counts toward attaining our goal. A sample letter follows for your use: *A Letter to the House*** Dear Delegate, I write asking you to oppose passage of HB 19, The Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA). As a user of digital information, I believe that UCITA will prevent me from fully realizing the potential of the Internet and e-commerce by allowing software and information sellers to create unfair licenses. These licenses may restrict my rights to information, may allow the vendors to sell poorly built products, and may also allow them to remotely shut-down my computer programs. The current laws governing computer information, including Federal Copyright law, are protecting vendors as evidenced by the explosive growth of e-commerce and the Internet. Please protect my use of the Internet and e-commerce and OPPOSE HB 19. Respectfully, *A Letter to the Senate*** Dear Senator, I write asking you to oppose passage of SB 142, The Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA). As a user of digital information, I believe that UCITA will prevent me from fully realizing the potential of the Internet and e-commerce by allowing software and information sellers to create unfair licenses. These licenses may restrict my rights to information, may allow the vendors to sell poorly built products, and may also allow them to remotely shut-down my computer programs. The current laws governing computer information, including Federal Copyright law, are protecting vendors as evidenced by the explosive growth of e-commerce and the Internet. Please protect my use of the Internet and e-commerce and OPPOSE SB 142. Respectfully, In other news, California did not introduce UCITA this year and it looks at though it may not be introduced next year either. Illinois has tabled UCITA indefinitely. Oklahoma has passed UCITA out of its Senate chamber but there is no movement in the Oklahoma House. Delaware has now introduced UCITA in the Senate Hawaii shows no movement on UCITA though sources indicate that the measure may die. UCITA was also introduced in the District of Columbia within the last week and hearings are scheduled for April 20, 2000. You can help prevent UCITA's introduction in your state by writing your Representatives, as well as contacting your Governor. -- Skip Lockwood 8th floor 21 Dupont Circle Washington, DC 20036 202-533-2004 202-872-0884 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Cooker] Auto allocate needs rethinking
Hi, I decided to purchase the Power Pack and see what the commercial distribution was like. I found a problem with the way the auto allocate sets up the partitions. Here's the example from my system: /boot- 15M /-(root)1.5GB /home-8.3GB swap- 250MB Here's where the problem comes in. Installing the distribution off the first CD as a development workstation was ok, but I ran out of room on the root partition after installing only 4 packages off the applications CD! In addition, the swap file size seems excessive as I've been using a 128MB swap file since forever. You need to do one of two things- a. drastically increase the root partition size since all of the files going under /usr will be installed there, or b. Have auto allocate create a root, /usr, and /home partition Sam
Re: [Cooker] Auto allocate needs rethinking
I tried both the server and developer under recommended and the root partition was
1.5GB. Also, on
my machine the only 3 partitions were created besides the swap file- boot, root, and
home. The same
thing happened when I chose developer.
Pixel wrote:
Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
/boot- 15M
/- 1.5GB
/home-8.3GB
swap- 250MB
seems strange. / should be 2.5GB (see below)
You need to do one of two things-
a. drastically increase the root partition size since all of the files
going under /usr will be installed there, or
yes, this is a problem. Max size of root partition is going to be increased for
multi cd.
b. Have auto allocate create a root, /usr, and /home partition
this is done is all except Recommanded (aka normal):
normal = [
{ mntpoint = "/", size = 300 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 5, maxsize =
2500 11 },
{ mntpoint = "swap", size = 64 11, type = 0x82, ratio = 1, maxsize =
250 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/home", size = 300 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 2 },
],
developer = [
{ mntpoint = "swap", size = 64 11, type = 0x82, ratio = 1, maxsize =
250 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/", size = 150 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 1, maxsize =
300 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/usr", size = 300 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 4, maxsize
=1500 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/home", size = 100 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 5 },
],
server = [
{ mntpoint = "swap", size = 64 11, type = 0x82, ratio = 2, maxsize =
400 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/", size = 150 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 1, maxsize =
250 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/usr", size = 300 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 3, maxsize
=1500 11 },
{ mntpoint = "/var", size = 100 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 4 },
{ mntpoint = "/home", size = 100 11, type = 0x83, ratio = 5 },
],
[Cooker] Disk Drake problems
Hi, I decided to change my partition setup for Linux and reinstall Mandrake. Disk drake was the last partitioning tool I'd used and it gave me the error message, "Diskdrake cannot correctly read the partition table". In addition, partition commander reported the same problem. This was the first time this error has been reported out of three runs with Diskdrake. The drive is a Maxtor 20GB, 7200rpm IDE ATA33 drive, model 92048D8 The motherboard is an ABIT BH6 Sam
Re: [Cooker] Disk Drake problems
Not yet, I have to download the latest cooker from work where we have a T1 connection. I'm at home sick today. If disk drake can do that, it'll beat the pants off any other partitioning tool out there. If I were you guys, I'd consider putting disk drake on it's own bootable CD for your commercial packages. That way someone can change partitions easily after Mandrake is installed. Pixel wrote: Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I decided to change my partition setup for Linux and reinstall Mandrake. Disk drake was the last partitioning tool I'd used and it gave me the error message, "Diskdrake cannot correctly read the partition table". In addition, partition commander reported the same problem. could you test using cooker? diskdrake has been enhanced and should now be able to correct buggy partition table.
Re: [Cooker] Disk Drake problems (good news)
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle- this is too cool. I went ahead and repartitioned the hard drive using diskdrake. I put the primary partitions in the same order and same size I had before ( the partitions I wanted to resize were on the extended partition). After finishing the install, I pulled the cd out and rebooted. I was going to reinstall win98, but forgot to stick the floppy in. The computer booted up into Windows! The windows system partition was still intact and functioning properly! Partition Commander reads the partition table with no problems. You guys have a real winner here! Sam Pixel wrote: Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I decided to change my partition setup for Linux and reinstall Mandrake. Disk drake was the last partitioning tool I'd used and it gave me the error message, "Diskdrake cannot correctly read the partition table". In addition, partition commander reported the same problem. could you test using cooker? diskdrake has been enhanced and should now be able to correct buggy partition table.
Re: [Cooker] mandrake70.iso
From doing beta testing, I've seen this before. A company releases a beta, it gets tested and the bug reports are submitted. They then fix the bugs and release the product without doing a final evaluation of the product on their beta list. (hint, hint) Just a reminder for you guys at mandrake. The average numbewr of errors intrduced by bug fixes is one bug for every ten fixes, testing can catch enough of them to reduce this to one in one hundred. You should NEVER release a product that has had a large number of patches applied without running it through a final round of testing. Here's an example of why. The 3D package I beta test for on Windows released a new version (against the objections of the testing team) after fixing a huge list of bug reports. The package was released to the general public (at $1200 a copy) and the following functions had been broken by the bug fixes: Rendering- lens flares, opacity, animation rendering, and several texture mapping features Animation- Key framing was broken Modeling- boolean functions- one of the major cool modeling features, and one of the spline modeling tools. Several other problems that would lock the program. This gave them a black eye they still haven't recovered from. There's a lesson to be learned here guys. I happen to really like what you are doing with the Mandrake release and I'd hate to see the same thing happen to you. Sam On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, you wrote: On Mon 28 Feb at 04:49:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same problem here on two different machines. Is this being worked on / fixed ? At present I have Mandrake 7 CDROM which is totally useless. I don't mean for this to sound accusatory, but I thought this would have been tested a bit more thoroughly before release. This seems to be a problem that unfortunately occurs more and more regularly regardless of distro. BTW: What was the reasoning for making the leap to 7.0 from 6.1?
[Cooker] More bugs
This is after doing an upgrade installation from 6.1 These problems are occurring under KDE, I haven't tried these features in Gnome yet. Please note these problems did NOT occur when a full install was done. 1. Netscape no longer works. Checked permissions and properties 2. Click on the News icon, the computer connects to the site, a kfm window opens and then every icon and open window on the desktop disappears. I can still access programs through the panel. but everything that was present before is no longer there- neat trick that one- does David Copperfield work for you? :-) Anyway, I logout and everything returns when I log back in. I got this to repeat everytime without fail. Sam
[Cooker] Upgrade notes
Well, After trying the different installation settings, I installed air using the upgrade selection. Here are some things that need work. 1. I couldn't remember the partition number for /root and there was no way to check it w/o exiting the install process. Suggestion- have a map of the hard drive sectors similar to the one that appears w/ diskdrake. Make it so you can click on a sector and it gives you the mount point and file system description. 2. Drakconf will NOT start. I checked the permissions, they're ok- so I should be able to run it as root. This was not a problem when I did a full installation. What files do I need to check for? 3.The system skipped right past lilo on the reboot. I had to use a floppy. After that LILO worked fine even though I didn't modify it in any way or run sbin/lilo. 4. The link for the Doc icon was broken for users other than root. 5. Documentation is too skimpy during the lilo setup for a newbie, I'll talk to Pablo about writing something better for you. Sam
[Cooker] Install bug
I have 128MB on my machine. I entered 128 in the requestor for memory size during the install. There is no mem=XXX statement in lilo. What it did was put in my scsi, but no memory settings. Sam
RE: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems.
One other thing can cause this problem. I was in a hurry to burn the copy, so I selected the iso and told the program to burn the CD. Only thing was, I forgot to tell the burner software that the file I picked was an iso image instead of a file :-) Darn thing wouldn't boot off the CD- Geez I wonder why? ;-) duh Try to read the cd in a file manager. If it says air.iso is a file on the CD and that's all you see, you didn't set things up properly before starting. Sam -Original Message- From: Pablo Saratxaga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems. Kaixo! On Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 09:45:59PM -0700, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: sounds like somebunny forgot to use binary mode to transfer, the cdr i Indeed windows by default uses text mode; that sucks. burned with Easycd boots all the machines i have :/ I wouldn;t expect it to even boot the logo much less load the kernel if it was transfered like that The conversion with windows in text mode is only from \n only to \r\n So if the boot and logo doesn't use \n they will work. -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975
Re: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems.
See comments below On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, you wrote: not sure as windows 2000 won't even use my cd burner but I have burned at least 4 cd's that I can remember using mandrake 7.0 to burn them and they all worked great. With these few problems 1) they won't work with the kenwood true speed cdroms The Kenwood 42X will not read CD-R's or CD-RW's The 52X will not read CD-RW's, and neither one willread multi-session CD's The 72X is supposed to read these formats 2) they also won't work on at least some older cdroms. Like for instance an old 6x I had laying around but it also wasn't able to view the cdrom from dos. Many older CD-Roms cannot read any of the recordable CD formats or multi-session CD's Deven Phillips wrote: To anyone interested, I have recently discovered the answer to a problem I have seen on this list wuite a bit. People have been having problems with the Mandrake 7.0 ISO not booting properly, and through experimentation I have discovered a possible answer. I assembled a collection of various computers and tried to install from an ISO that a friend had downloaded and burned that didn't work for him. Consistently, the CR-ROM install failed during the reading of the CD-ROM boot image (i.e. after the splash screen, and the kernel demsg). I then took a CD that I had and installed. It consistently worked on all 7 machines. I looked for a common denominator, and I found that my friend had burned his ISO from a windows machine, and I had burned mine under Linux (cdrecord). I then realized that this may be the problem. I brought in a few more friends with varying hardware and OSs, and every CD burned from windows (no metter where the ISO was d/l'd from) froze at the same point, every linux burned CD worked without a hitch. Please verify and post any further information. Deven Phillips, Cytronix Computer Services, Inc.
Re: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems.
If you made this mitake, you can moint the CD, but you will still see only one file on the CD, air.iso (or Mandrake70.iso, depending on which site you got it from) Sam Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try to read the cd in a file manager. If it says air.iso is a file on the CD and that's all you see, you didn't set things up properly before starting. you can mount it under linux via -o loop, but it's a nono for install :ppp
RE: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems.
I had that happen too. It was caused when I did a restart from windoze. I shut the system down, did a cold boot, and everything worked fine. Why? I dunno . . . On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Sam Walker wrote: One other thing can cause this problem. I was in a hurry to burn the copy, so I selected the iso and told the program to burn the CD. Only thing was, I forgot to tell the burner software that the file I picked was an iso image instead of a file :-) Darn thing wouldn't boot off the CD- Geez I wonder why? ;-) duh Try to read the cd in a file manager. If it says air.iso is a file on the CD and that's all you see, you didn't set things up properly before starting. Sam Yeah but thats not whats happening, they get all the way to right befre second sstage install -Original Message- From: Pablo Saratxaga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Air ISO boot problems. Kaixo! On Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 09:45:59PM -0700, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: sounds like somebunny forgot to use binary mode to transfer, the cdr i Indeed windows by default uses text mode; that sucks. burned with Easycd boots all the machines i have :/ I wouldn;t expect it to even boot the logo much less load the kernel if it was transfered like that The conversion with windows in text mode is only from \n only to \r\n So if the boot and logo doesn't use \n they will work. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [Cooker] Winmodems
There is a Winmodems website that has some links to available drivers. As far as I know, Lucent is the only one that has released a Linux driver for their winmodems, but I've heard mixed reports on their usability. Sam -Original Message- From: Tracy Whitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Winmodems Hello, Does anyone know if there is support for winmodems under Mandrake? Thanks Tracy
[Cooker] Text in installer
There are quite a few grammitcal errors in the help text for the installer. I can help you with the english version. One of the responsibilities of my job has included training of new people in a technical field. This included writing information handouts and lessons. If you're interested, write me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would need you to send me the text files for editing. Sam
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 6.1 is out!
When will this be available for purchase on a CD in the US? I gave up on trying to get it working through the download process! Sam -Original Message- From: Brad Boutwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:24 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 6.1 is out! The ISO is still not updated...any idea when this will reflect the current release? -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Paré [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:15 PM To: Patrick Busque; Dany Bouchard; Cooker List Subject: [Cooker] Mandrake 6.1 is out! september 17 1999 - Linux-Mandrake 6.1 (Helios) is available for download. Read the announce here, pick your distro here. Mandrake 6.1 features Linux 2.2.13pre, XFree 3.3.5 and KDE 1.1.2, among others. Emmanuel Paré GIS/Programming for DBX Geomatics email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-mandrake.com http://www.linux-mandrake.com
[Cassini] Cassini: No Graphical Install, Can't find any packages
I did a download of Casini and the whole directory structure and made boot disks and I never got any "grapical install" option. Also with the hard disk install, it can't find any packages or RPMS. So I cannot install. Known bugs? How do I get this to install? Sam Gentile Senior Software Engineer - Web Group 978.264.0012 (voice) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 978.264.0010 (fax) www.networkmasters.com "Your Advantage for Internetworking Development" -Original Message- From: jwd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 10:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cassini] Cassini: Update can't find RPMs I tried a Hard Disk Update and once it began to Try to install the RPMs is could not find any (bug #108). I might try an install w/o formatting the partition, but then again RH 6.1 Beta "Lorax" is out and that is probably worth a shot, too. jim drash [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Cooker] WordPerfect 8 RPM
I would rather have StarOffice. -Original Message- From: Jake Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] WordPerfect 8 RPM Is Wordperfect 8 going to be in the distribution? I've noticed that Caldera has included the rpm in their distribution! __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
RE: [Cooker] Kernel problem?
Why aren't we going with the lastest stable kernel 2.2.12 anyway? -Original Message- From: Kit Ngan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Kernel problem? Sam Gentile wrote: I don;t know if I did LILO but half a dozen system services wouldn't come up saying that Syatem.map was the wrong one. I looked and the System.map was linked to the old kernel. Did you put on the new init-script? Mine one working! -- Rgds Kit KB Computer Technology Co. ICQ: 28280598 http://www.knb.com.hk
RE: Re[2]: [Cooker] Vote for a BulletProofFTP Port to Linux
When you say download the RPMs into the directory you mean through Bullet Proof FTP? Sam Gentile Senior Software Engineer - Web Group 978.264.0012 (voice) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 978.264.0010 (fax) www.networkmasters.com "Your Advantage for Internetworking Development" -Original Message- From: Bill Lea Greenwood / Vision Computer / Fringe on the Top, Ltd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Cooker] Vote for a BulletProofFTP Port to Linux No I don't have a DSL line. What is cooker.tar? The whole site? Where is it? Also, how do I put it on my system. My Mandrake system boots automatically into KDE. How do I make these updates? Or do I install all over? I'm really confused. Ok Sam, I will try and answer best I can how I do this with BPFTP. I have found that BPFTP works excellent to do the job at hand. I have 3 hard drives. The first is C: (fat16), and D:, where I keep Windows (which I hope to get rid of soon!). The second is E: (about 1 gig), with the unpartitioned space at the end that I allow Linux to take charge of and Partition, divide, and setup as needed (about 2 gig, but you don't need that much if you don't have it. I suggest about 1 gig though if you have the space). The third drive is a 13 gig fat32. This is where I store my download of Mandrake (as well as a ton of other stuff of course). You will need a directory called Mandrake, and the only other 3 you really have to have under Mandrake is base and RPMs and instimage. But I also put the Images directory here (doesn't hurt anything) with the image files I use for my install. I also put the mdkinst directory here as that was the way to install with the new Panoramix install for HD. So download the RPMs into that directory. You will need to keep them up to date manually, in other words delete the files with the same file name first then copy in the new one. But to do this you need to see which ones are new, so simply click twice on the column header Date/Time and that will sort the new files to the top each time you do a directory refresh. Then keep your other directories up to date, and do the install from your mdkinst_hd.img Floppy. You have to copy the .img files to the floppy with either rawrite.exe or with rawwritewin.exe (with the diskio.dll file as well) (in the dosutils directory). Make sure you select the Linux boot partition to put the Linux boot loader or your Master Boot record on C: will be overwritten, and you won't be able to boot Windows. At least this is the way it works for me. (maybe someone can tell you more about lilo and how that works. Hope this helps. Ask more question if you need to, and don't forget to continue to vote (4 times per day per IP connection) for a Linux port of BPFTP. -Bill http://www.freevote.com/booth/bpftp One of the BEST FTP clients under Windows might have a chance for a Linux Port. And remember you can vote up to 4 times, per day, per IP connection. -Bill
