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Brook Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yes, but then you don't get kernel-source. Seems we can no longer get a full distribution on 3 CDs? Time to go to 4 for download? Ouch. What's taking so much space? stupid emacs and xemacs and all the assorted packages. No real users use these out there it is more of a developer odity (as not all developers use this thing either). Not only that but truly useful packages such as midnight commander (when I select console tools) and gvim are not even installed. fill a bug on install assigned to david baudens suggering mc be inclued in console tools list. I'm not sure if they are even on the cd's as I havn't even managed to get them downloaded yet and am still using my custom cd's from cooker after it was frozen for the cd's. These two are only about 5 or 6 megs together at the most compared to probably close to 100 megs for emacs including all it's assorted packages. regarding real end users, the odds are low that he'll use either vi or emacs. the same for mc... the user'll use konq instead trully interested packages is a very personal subject. eg i tootally disagree with you and i think emacs is infinitevely more usefull than mc ... for me. neither me or you is a typicall end user i bet.
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On Monday 20 October 2003 06:44 am, Thierry Vignaud wrote: regarding real end users, the odds are low that he'll use either vi or emacs. the same for mc... the user'll use konq instead trully interested packages is a very personal subject. eg i tootally disagree with you and i think emacs is infinitevely more usefull than mc ... for me. neither me or you is a typicall end user i bet. I think my argument went off track here My point was not to include one or the other. You are correct that one of the tools mentioned are used by any of the normal users out there but hey you know some people like to pick at one little thing and blow it out of proportion. My only point was that emacs is huge and not used by the majority of real users. Which we on this list are not. We are sysadmin of developer types which are not the norm by any means. We have ideas on what is usefull and all the end users care about is does it work with my hardware will my digital camera work with my computer is there software to do what I want to do and sadly were can I buy more software. they are so used to being taken advantage of they really have no idea that there are so many little companies ripping them off selling them things that windows either includes but is hidden or there is another program that does the same thing for free. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I downloaded the PowerPack this week but installed it today..., what a surprise... no kde-i18n-sv package anywhere... That render this download totally useless to me, I might as well throw my fresh burned CDs in the trash. Or, have someone teach me mkcd so I can make the missing CDs..., mkcd is not easy, anyone who has tried this knows what I'm talking about... Don't tell me to use a internet urpm* resource, that is not the answer I would like to hear, I want this on a CD, period. The 3 ISOs provided to the club are only the 3 out of the 7 provided into the boxed version. Into the boxed version I have included all the kde-i18n. The sv is on the MandrakeLinux9.2-Sources-1 CD (the name is not really appropriate, but yes there are some binaries on the first source CD as I prefer removing some source than removing binary rpm). -- Warly
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On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:05, Ron Stodden wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 20:56, Ron Stodden wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: ok, this maybe a coredump. can you place it on the web somewhere, so someone with enough skill to run file core.5465 can enlighten us with the name of the crashed program ? http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/download/ (use Save Link Target as) thanks. so according to file, this is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ file core.5465 core.5465: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'X' [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ gdb -core core.5465 Core was generated by `/etc/X11/X :1 -deferglyphs 16'. Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. #0 0x4008bd71 in ?? () (gdb) so, this is something with X. can you describe the video card ? Thanks. Riva TNT2 Model 64. Tnt 2 ? That's a nvidia card, no ? did you use the driver provided by nvidia ? or the one that comes with xfree ? In either case this seems to be a application ( or a driver ) problem beyond the scope of mandrake linux, so you should directly contact the upstream authors. Since they are the developpers, they will be able to use the core provided more efficiently than i am. you can also put some of the file that filed your hard disk before. ?? sorry, i meant that filled the file you were talking about, in /root/, but, i think you removed everything... As I remember, all files were zero length except for the first two (neither of which was anything like the 7.2MB size of a core dump), and all were purged from another partition to release space on / and its directory, which restored Mandrake operability. Ok, so, unless you find a way to reproduce it easily, i think we are forced to class it. -- Mickaël Scherer
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On Sat Oct 18 17:39 +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: That is true of all corporate entities, including the various government entities. So if I write a letter to George W Bush, then I am correct in assuming that all relevant groups and individuals operating below him will have received it and will co-ordinate a single comprehensive timely reply. Bwahahahahahahahahaha. I think we have a new winner for most absurd post by you. This is a momentous accomplishment, Sir! I know it´s not easy on corporations, but that´s the law, you know Citation please, from a code that applies to MandrakeSoft (which, afaik would mean EU, French, or US law). -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait till next year... Let's Go RED SOX! Currently playing: Rush - Vapor Trails - One Little Victory Linux 2.4.22-8mdk 23:36:00 up 2 days, 11:20, 6 users, load average: 0.44, 0.30, 0.21
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On Sat Oct 18 12:29 -0400, Rob wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 03:39, Ron Stodden wrote: No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. Dude, it took you longer to write this whiny-ass message than it would have to file a bug report like you should have in the first place.Go away if you'd rather not be helpful. It's Ron's standard operating procedure. I'd killfile him, but it's just too entertaining for me to miss... -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait till next year... Let's Go RED SOX! Currently playing: Rush - Vapor Trails - Ghost Rider Linux 2.4.22-8mdk 23:43:00 up 2 days, 11:27, 6 users, load average: 0.08, 0.17, 0.17
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On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:04:01AM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Post it at: bugs.mandrakelinux.com /Simon
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Simon Oosthoek wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:04:01AM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Post it at: bugs.mandrakelinux.com No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. It is not required of the public to know anything about MandrakeSoft´s internal structure or methods of working - it is their job to efficiently manage their internal communications. To the public, MandrakeSoft is a single legal entity, IOW in effect a single person. That is true of all corporate entities, including the various government entities. So if I write a letter to George W Bush, then I am correct in assuming that all relevant groups and individuals operating below him will have received it and will co-ordinate a single comprehensive timely reply. The same would be true if I had written personally to the most humble counter clerk in a remote branch on a subject far removed from his/her daily operations - the corporation has been notified. I know it´s not easy on corporations, but that´s the law, you know, and the law encapsulates accrued wisdom. It is hard to see how things could possibly be otherwise. The way things are wisely prevents the common accountability escape of deniability - no officer can deny knowledge of anything that happens within the corporation or level of government (¨I did not know¨, ¨Nobody told me¨ are not acceptable responses - they indicate a mentally diseased corporation - i.e. schizophrenic). -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
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Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Two days in, the use of 9.2 was totally stopped by a 100% full root directory, a situation which is essentially unrecoverable for all but super-experts. / is a 5GB partition which returned 7.2 GB to du -s / (probably due to the inclusion of /proc). Weird; I have never had this happend on 9.1, or 9.2 Now running 9.2 on all my systems.
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Am Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 07:39 schrieb Ron Stodden: Simon Oosthoek wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:04:01AM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Post it at: bugs.mandrakelinux.com No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. [ ... snipped a lot away ... ] It was just an advice that you maybe could do so. I see no argument for starting a philosophic discussion, lets better find the reason for your symptoms. Do you have an idea what could have created the files ? It must be an app that you have run as root. From the naming scheme i would say it are temp files, but what app creates temp files in /root/ instead of the temp dir ? Has someone beside Ron seen this ? Greets Steffen
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 09:39, Ron Stodden wrote: Simon Oosthoek wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:04:01AM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Post it at: bugs.mandrakelinux.com No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. Maybe in Australia, but, here, i never heard of someone being forced by the law to signal software bugs. It is not required of the public to know anything about MandrakeSoft´s internal structure or methods of working - it is their job to efficiently manage their internal communications. To the public, MandrakeSoft is a single legal entity, IOW in effect a single person. That why they ask you to use a standard web form to ease the dispatching of the bugs. Unless you prove that the email have been acknowledged by a mandrakesoft employee. So, please do what you should for everybody benefits, post a detailed bugreport on bugs.mandrakelinux.com. That is true of all corporate entities, including the various government entities. So if I write a letter to George W Bush, then I am correct in assuming that all relevant groups and individuals operating below him will have received it and will co-ordinate a single comprehensive timely reply. Only if the post office doesn't lose your precious letter. The same would be true if I had written personally to the most humble counter clerk in a remote branch on a subject far removed from his/her daily operations - the corporation has been notified. I know it´s not easy on corporations, but that´s the law, you know, and the law encapsulates accrued wisdom. Again, what law ? Some unknow international law ? It is hard to see how things could possibly be otherwise. The way things are wisely prevents the common accountability escape of deniability - no officer can deny knowledge of anything that happens within the corporation or level of government (¨I did not know¨, ¨Nobody told me¨ are not acceptable responses - they indicate a mentally diseased corporation - i.e. schizophrenic). I do not see how they can be liable for this, because you clicked on yes in the box saying roughlt 'there is no garantees for this software, and i agree to use it knowing this'. If you think this box is illegal, then, you are still bound by the GPL and all others license. So, even with your mail, mandrake is not liable. -- Michaël Scherer
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Steffen Barszus wrote: It was just an advice that you maybe could do so. I see no argument for starting a philosophic discussion, lets better find the reason for your symptoms. Agreed. Do you have an idea what could have created the files ? No, not the slightest.I would have said. It was a vanilla install - no modifications. It must be an app that you have run as root. Or which the system ran as root. From the naming scheme i would say it are temp files, but what app creates temp files in /root/ instead of the temp dir ? Has someone beside Ron seen this ? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Two days in, the use of 9.2 was totally stopped by a 100% full root directory, a situation which is essentially unrecoverable for all but super-experts. So, only super experts are able to use the rescue option. Oh, I forgot, you missed that option. Come on Ron, please don't be so dramatic on every problem you have, until you can actually provide a useful bug report. / is a 5GB partition which returned 7.2 GB to du -s / (probably due to the inclusion of /proc). Try the -x option then. Investigation of this partition from another 9.1 partition showed this to be caused by 103,900 files of the form /root/a word.n having beeen created by root in the /root directory, all of which were of zero length except two. The reserved-to-root space for recovery operations in / was also all consumed. So, what created these then? When were they created? I have never seen files like this. I used 9.1 KDE from a booted 9.1 LM partition to delete them all from the 9.2 mounted partition. They were all deleted, but left KDE in a hung condition, which had to be killed with the read target icon. This condition also occurred from time to time in 9.1 but I found it undiagnosable, since whatever was reserving copious wads of space on / left no file directory entries, hidden or otherwise. Never seen this. Are you sure you haven't got some cron job of your own running that is doing this. If you (the only one seeing this) can't diagnose it, how do you expect anyone else to diagnose it Regards, Buchan P.S. Ron, please excuse the last two lines of my sig, but I thought since the samba3 packages in contrib were built on my own cooker box and are signed by my GPG sig, some people might want to have some evidence of my GPG key fingerprint. This applies to the samba packages on the samba FTP mirrors too. Without the 2 lines regarding GPG, my sig is indeed 4 lines, with a nice -- seperator for intelligent mail clients. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/kQq6rJK6UGDSBKcRAnXYAKCdkaq9a5A7ptw/JUWPNvtGhJHJxwCgxp// QTNQEAeUdi75uOjHG/ar6Xk= =6hfb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 03:39 am, Ron Stodden wrote: Simon Oosthoek wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:04:01AM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: Another 9.2 showstopper! Post it at: bugs.mandrakelinux.com No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. It is not required of the public to know anything about MandrakeSoft´s internal structure or methods of working - it is their job to efficiently manage their internal communications. To the public, MandrakeSoft is a single legal entity, IOW in effect a single person. That is true of all corporate entities, including the various government entities. So if I write a letter to George W Bush, then I am correct in assuming that all relevant groups and individuals operating below him will have received it and will co-ordinate a single comprehensive timely reply. The same would be true if I had written personally to the most humble counter clerk in a remote branch on a subject far removed from his/her daily operations - the corporation has been notified. I know it´s not easy on corporations, but that´s the law, you know, and the law encapsulates accrued wisdom. It is hard to see how things could possibly be otherwise. The way things are wisely prevents the common accountability escape of deniability - no officer can deny knowledge of anything that happens within the corporation or level of government (¨I did not know¨, ¨Nobody told me¨ are not acceptable responses - they indicate a mentally diseased corporation - i.e. schizophrenic). You might be right, if you had used the official method for reporting bugs. Since MandrakeSoft has informed us that the official method for reporting bugs is to enter them in bugzilla, your communication fails and they mey safely ignore it. Every corporation may designate particular individuals or groups of individuals to receive specific kinds of communication on behalf of the corporation. As long as there is adequate notice to the public, a communication fails if it not designated to the direct person or done using the prescribed method. You cannot send a message to the maintenance guy saying that you are going to show up for $1,000,000 on a specific day, and then show up at the accounting department on that day to collect the money stating that since no one replied, they therefore they owe the money. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
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Buchan Milne wrote: Come on Ron, please don't be so dramatic on every problem you have, until you can actually provide a useful bug report. The degree of dramaticness has nothing to do with whether there is a reproducible bug report. This has occurrred three times under 9.1 and now once under 9.2 on this one machine, which is otherwise 100% long term totally stable. I need some kind of daemon that will watch all the time for /root/*.n file creation, but that is beyond my skill level. 9.2 is not yet installed on my other desktop machine, but will be soon unless any further disasters pop up. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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Buchan Milne wrote: So, only super experts are able to use the rescue option. Oh, I forgot, you missed that option. I doubt that rescue will run if / is full. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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Ainsi parlait Ron Stodden : Buchan Milne wrote: So, only super experts are able to use the rescue option. Oh, I forgot, you missed that option. I doubt that rescue will run if / is full. rescue option from install cdrom. -- Guillaume Rousse If it moves, salute it; if it doesn't move, pick it up; if you can't pick it up, paint it -- Murphy's Military Laws n°4
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[...] I downloaded the PowerPack this week but installed it today..., what a surprise... no kde-i18n-sv package anywhere... That render this download totally useless to me, I might as well throw my fresh burned CDs in the trash. Or, have someone teach me mkcd so I can make the missing CDs..., mkcd is not easy, anyone who has tried this knows what I'm talking about... Don't tell me to use a internet urpm* resource, that is not the answer I would like to hear, I want this on a CD, period.
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Ron Stodden wrote: The degree of dramaticness has nothing to do with whether there is a reproducible bug report. This has occurrred three times under 9.1 and now once under 9.2 on this one machine, which is otherwise 100% long term totally stable. I need some kind of daemon that will watch all the time for /root/*.n file creation, but that is beyond my skill level. can you give some examples of what is in * ? I have a hunch that it is some kind of java program doing this (at least 2 i know have the habit of creating nn files, although not so many). IIRC matlab also dumps errors in *.n So, what kind of 3rd party software do you use, if any? d.
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 09:29 am, Oden Eriksson wrote: [...] I downloaded the PowerPack this week but installed it today..., what a surprise... no kde-i18n-sv package anywhere... That render this download totally useless to me, I might as well throw my fresh burned CDs in the trash. Or, have someone teach me mkcd so I can make the missing CDs..., mkcd is not easy, anyone who has tried this knows what I'm talking about... Don't tell me to use a internet urpm* resource, that is not the answer I would like to hear, I want this on a CD, period. Well, it seems kind of late to recall the iso's from Manufacture so that a package can be added that Oden really wants on a cd. Sorry, was that sarcastic? -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
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Buchan Milne wrote: Come on Ron, please don't be so dramatic on every problem you have, until you can actually provide a useful bug report. The degree of dramaticness has nothing to do with whether there is a reproducible bug report. And neither does it: -contribute any information of value that anyone can use to debug the problem -give us any reason to respect the next Stop the presses bug report from you. This has occurrred three times under 9.1 and now once under 9.2 on this one machine, which is otherwise 100% long term totally stable. So, it's but a 9.2 disaster, but rather something you have configured on your machine. With about 6 production desktops that have run 9.1 and 9.2 for significant amounts of time, plus a few production servers (running 9.0 and 9.1) I have never seen anything like this, and it doesn't seem as if anyone else has. I need some kind of daemon that will watch all the time for /root/*.n file creation, but that is beyond my skill level. Well, you could start by looking at the modification times, and if you were using the machine at the time, remember what you were doing. If not, you could look in the logs to see what ran then. 9.2 is not yet installed on my other desktop machine, but will be soon unless any further disasters pop up. OK, so a disaster isn't something that prevents you from using the machine as a full-time desktop? So, in future we should classify anything from you with urgent, disaster, critical etc as minor irritation then? Sorry, but I can't take bug reports like this seriously ... maybe you should try a different list (since this isn't the 9.2 support list).
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 15.36 skrev Greg Meyer: On Saturday 18 October 2003 09:29 am, Oden Eriksson wrote: [...] I downloaded the PowerPack this week but installed it today..., what a surprise... no kde-i18n-sv package anywhere... That render this download totally useless to me, I might as well throw my fresh burned CDs in the trash. Or, have someone teach me mkcd so I can make the missing CDs..., mkcd is not easy, anyone who has tried this knows what I'm talking about... Don't tell me to use a internet urpm* resource, that is not the answer I would like to hear, I want this on a CD, period. Well, it seems kind of late to recall the iso's from Manufacture so that a package can be added that Oden really wants on a cd. Sorry, was that sarcastic? Yes. It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there?
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I noticed today the presence of a new file under the cleaned up /root directory: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# ls -l total 7608 -rw---1 root root 7827456 Oct 18 23:35 core.5465 drwx--3 root root 4096 Oct 18 02:47 Desktop/ drwx--2 root root 4096 Oct 16 07:44 drakx/ drwx--2 root root 4096 Oct 18 18:56 tmp/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# Quite possibly all the files that eventually filled up the /root directory were all such core dumps @ 7.8 MB each. Inspection of /var/log/messages showed nothing helpful. What does the 5465 indicate? The only 3rd party software is my gShield firewall and privoxy called by mozilla as 127.0.0.1. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Ron Stodden wrote: The degree of dramaticness has nothing to do with whether there is a reproducible bug report. This has occurrred three times under 9.1 and now once under 9.2 on this one machine, which is otherwise 100% long term totally stable. I need some kind of daemon that will watch all the time for /root/*.n file creation, but that is beyond my skill level. can you give some examples of what is in * ? I have a hunch that it is some kind of java program doing this (at least 2 i know have the habit of creating nn files, although not so many). IIRC matlab also dumps errors in *.n So, what kind of 3rd party software do you use, if any? d. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yep... It's on CD3 with all of the other i18n stuff... Thomas
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- Original Message - From: Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] 9.2 disasters list (continuing) From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yep... It's on CD3 with all of the other i18n stuff... The list of packages on Download Edition: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3¨ Thomas
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 16.36 skrev Thomas Backlund: From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yep... It's on CD3 with all of the other i18n stuff... Thank you. Anyone cares making some sort of rpm2html list availible online somewhere?
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 16.45 skrev Thomas Backlund: - Original Message - From: Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] 9.2 disasters list (continuing) From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yep... It's on CD3 with all of the other i18n stuff... The list of packages on Download Edition: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3¨ That's error 404.
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 16:27, Ron Stodden wrote: I noticed today the presence of a new file under the cleaned up /root directory: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# ls -l total 7608 -rw---1 root root 7827456 Oct 18 23:35 core.5465 drwx--3 root root 4096 Oct 18 02:47 Desktop/ drwx--2 root root 4096 Oct 16 07:44 drakx/ drwx--2 root root 4096 Oct 18 18:56 tmp/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# Quite possibly all the files that eventually filled up the /root directory were all such core dumps @ 7.8 MB each. Inspection of /var/log/messages showed nothing helpful. What does the 5465 indicate? the pid of the process crashed The only 3rd party software is my gShield firewall and privoxy called by mozilla as 127.0.0.1. ok, this maybe a coredump. can you place it on the web somewhere, so someone with enough skill to run file core.5465 can enlighten us with the name of the crashed program ? you can also put some of the file that filed your hard disk before. -- Michaël Scherer
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From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list of packages on Download Edition: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3 That's error 404. Try again... it works for me... there seemed to be garbage at the end of the link i posted http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3 Thomas
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 17.12 skrev Thomas Backlund: From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list of packages on Download Edition: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3 That's error 404. Try again... it works for me... there seemed to be garbage at the end of the link i posted http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3 Ahh, I missed the garbage. I gotta clean my glasses :) Thanks.
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 15.36 skrev Greg Meyer: It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yes, but then you don't get kernel-source. Seems we can no longer get a full distribution on 3 CDs? Time to go to 4 for download?
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 03:39, Ron Stodden wrote: No. I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do that is all that can possibly be required. Dude, it took you longer to write this whiny-ass message than it would have to file a bug report like you should have in the first place.Go away if you'd rather not be helpful.
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lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 18.03 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 15.36 skrev Greg Meyer: It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yes, but then you don't get kernel-source. Seems we can no longer get a full distribution on 3 CDs? Time to go to 4 for download? Ouch. What's taking so much space?
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Michael Scherer wrote: ok, this maybe a coredump. can you place it on the web somewhere, so someone with enough skill to run file core.5465 can enlighten us with the name of the crashed program ? http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/download/ (use Save Link Target as) you can also put some of the file that filed your hard disk before. ?? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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From: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 18.03 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 15.36 skrev Greg Meyer: It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yes, but then you don't get kernel-source. Seems we can no longer get a full distribution on 3 CDs? Time to go to 4 for download? Ouch. What's taking so much space? everything... ;-) here's a part of my posting on the expert list when discussing space needed, why kernel-source was dropped... as packages / programs get developed / enchanced, they tend to grow, when ading more features... here are some comparisions... MDK 9.1 - all kde* + koffice* + locales* = ~240MB MDK 9.2 - all kde* + koffice* + locales* = ~262MB so there went ~22MB compairing the same kernels: MDK 9.1 ~73.6MB MDK 9.2 ~86.2MB so there went ~12.6MB now I am at 34.6MB already ;-) (wich is pretty much the size of kernel-source in 9.1, 9.2 kernel-source is ~40MB) not to mention that we are shipping 3 more kernels than 9.1, so we add ~60MB (kernel2.4-marcelo, kernel-i686-up-4GB, kernel-p3-smp-64GB) and ... you get the point... regards thomas PS. I have seen hints that MDK 10 will go on 4CD:s, just to get rid of space problems for now... Hmmm... DVD anyone?
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 20:56, Ron Stodden wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: ok, this maybe a coredump. can you place it on the web somewhere, so someone with enough skill to run file core.5465 can enlighten us with the name of the crashed program ? http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/download/ (use Save Link Target as) thanks. so according to file, this is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ file core.5465 core.5465: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'X' [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ gdb -core core.5465 Core was generated by `/etc/X11/X :1 -deferglyphs 16'. Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. #0 0x4008bd71 in ?? () (gdb) so, this is something with X. can you describe the video card ? you can also put some of the file that filed your hard disk before. ?? sorry, i meant that filled the file you were talking about, in /root/, but, i think you removed everything... -- Michaël Scherer
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On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 15:05, Thomas Backlund wrote: Hmmm... DVD anyone? If Mandrake goes DVD before it goes i686 I will FREAK out! I've had a P3 for about 4 years, but I don't have a DVD drive yet. Multimedia my ASS! (Sorry, I'm a bit pissed off today.) Austin
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Michael Scherer wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 20:56, Ron Stodden wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: ok, this maybe a coredump. can you place it on the web somewhere, so someone with enough skill to run file core.5465 can enlighten us with the name of the crashed program ? http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/download/ (use Save Link Target as) thanks. so according to file, this is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ file core.5465 core.5465: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'X' [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael] $ gdb -core core.5465 Core was generated by `/etc/X11/X :1 -deferglyphs 16'. Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. #0 0x4008bd71 in ?? () (gdb) so, this is something with X. can you describe the video card ? Thanks. Riva TNT2 Model 64. you can also put some of the file that filed your hard disk before. ?? sorry, i meant that filled the file you were talking about, in /root/, but, i think you removed everything... As I remember, all files were zero length except for the first two (neither of which was anything like the 7.2MB size of a core dump), and all were purged from another partition to release space on / and its directory, which restored Mandrake operability. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 11:40 am, Oden Eriksson wrote: lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 18.03 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lördagen den 18 oktober 2003 15.36 skrev Greg Meyer: It won't be a problem if I *buy* the powerpack, so as far as Mandrake is conserned this is no problem. I only wish I had known about this _before_ downloding it, then I would not have spent my time on it. What about the download edition, is the kde-i18n-sv package in there? Yes, but then you don't get kernel-source. Seems we can no longer get a full distribution on 3 CDs? Time to go to 4 for download? Ouch. What's taking so much space? stupid emacs and xemacs and all the assorted packages. No real users use these out there it is more of a developer odity (as not all developers use this thing either). Not only that but truly useful packages such as midnight commander (when I select console tools) and gvim are not even installed. I'm not sure if they are even on the cd's as I havn't even managed to get them downloaded yet and am still using my custom cd's from cooker after it was frozen for the cd's. These two are only about 5 or 6 megs together at the most compared to probably close to 100 megs for emacs including all it's assorted packages. I am not a vim versus emacs person really but I do have a few 150 meg text files I open and read at times and vim is the only thing under linux that even manages to open the file relatively well. Everything else gets dicy at about 80megs. Emacs wont even begin to touch the thing. The only other program i have found to open it with is a little windows text editor that is not free. I think it was texedit. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 06:51 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some kind of daemon that will watch all the time for /root/*.n file creation, but that is beyond my skill level. Well, you could start by looking at the modification times, and if you were using the machine at the time, remember what you were doing. If not, you could look in the logs to see what ran then. well just guessing here but if they say defanged in them the only thing I know that does that is anomy-sanitizer which I just put into contribs. The only reason it would be doing this at all is if you are being sent a whole bunch of virii. In which case it deletes the atachment from the email and saves it. It should be under /var/spool/sanitizer or some such though. For some reason mine does not save it but instead just deletes it. It would be my guess you are getting a ton of virii and your anomy is misconfigured and throwing all the stuff into your /root dir for some reason. But who knows I may be wrong. Thats just a guess. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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Brook Humphrey wrote: well just guessing here but if they say defanged in them the only thing I know that does that is anomy-sanitizer which I just put into contribs. The only reason it would be doing this at all is if you are being sent a whole bunch of virii. In which case it deletes the atachment from the email and saves it. It should be under /var/spool/sanitizer or some such though. For some reason mine does not save it but instead just deletes it. Thanks, but a partial word search with kpackage shows no ´anomy´ installed. No /var/spool/sanitizer file or any find file success for *sanitizer* or *anomy* in /var either. Also, no anomy* in my 9.2 contrib downloaded tree (just updated). -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 18th October!
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 07:44 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: Thanks, but a partial word search with kpackage shows no ´anomy´ installed. No /var/spool/sanitizer file or any find file success for *sanitizer* or *anomy* in /var either. Also, no anomy* in my 9.2 contrib downloaded tree (just updated). no problem you would no if you installed it. It has a specific use and it is unlikely you would have installed it by accident or by default. It was added to contribs after 9.2 was finished. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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Brook Humphrey wrote: no problem you would no if you installed it. It has a specific use and it is unlikely you would have installed it by accident or by default. It was added to contribs after 9.2 was finished. It was added to cooker contribs, not 9.2 contribs. They are two separate trees. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/--- Changed 19th October!
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On Saturday 18 October 2003 10:28 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: It was added to cooker contribs, not 9.2 contribs. They are two separate trees. exactly that was my point it was not in cooker till after 9.2 shipped and so is not n 9.2. You would have to grab it and install it on purpose to get it. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
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Another 9.2 showstopper! Two days in, the use of 9.2 was totally stopped by a 100% full root directory, a situation which is essentially unrecoverable for all but super-experts. / is a 5GB partition which returned 7.2 GB to du -s / (probably due to the inclusion of /proc). Investigation of this partition from another 9.1 partition showed this to be caused by 103,900 files of the form /root/a word.n having beeen created by root in the /root directory, all of which were of zero length except two. The reserved-to-root space for recovery operations in / was also all consumed. I used 9.1 KDE from a booted 9.1 LM partition to delete them all from the 9.2 mounted partition. They were all deleted, but left KDE in a hung condition, which had to be killed with the read target icon. This condition also occurred from time to time in 9.1 but I found it undiagnosable, since whatever was reserving copious wads of space on / left no file directory entries, hidden or otherwise. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
