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Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is wanting the distro to be one of the easiest to install as well as the most robust, I believe some of the binary drivers would be useful in the There are many problems in doing that -- one of them is potential trojan horses -- another one is GPL ideal, etc. It's bad and we won't do that. We already trolled long about that. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, Yes, that is what was studied, at least for riva stuff. I don't know what is the status. Jean-Loup? along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided on main CD ? As long as it's on comm CD, the installer can handle it since 7.1 -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the distro. Anyway; we have made MandrakeSoft's position very clear: nothing non-free should be in the installation CDROM, except Netscape (because we can't remove it at present time). -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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"David Foresman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i always use SBLIVE as the perfect example of this. Before creative opened the source for emu10k1, the driver was binary only, only worked with 1 kernel, and didn't work that well. After 1 month of being open source, the driver compiled, ran great, was smp compatible, and was working better than ever. Now it's even better than that. If nvidia or any of the other hardware makers could do that, they would benifit with code they could probably take to winblows and improve performance over there. Yes -- obviously! Problem is that many companies use many resources/efforts to protect their "innovations", therefore they fear that openning sources will lead their competitors to steal their good ideas. This is the same for ID software, for example, who open the source of their old stuff because it would then be of no help to competitors, whereas obviously their current stuff is pretty good compared to competitors. But -- openning the source would also lead to improvement in the quality of the software, provided the base of hackers interested in this stuff is large enough (which is not always true). So this would also benefit greatly to the sales of current product of the company because then linuxians would be more subject to choose this hardware, once it is well supported. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William H Bouterse a écrit : I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i never expressed any kind of opinion about XFCE/XFWM (in fact, i never heard of it before). Me neither. Bill, can you quote exactly G. Rousse's statement? I'm getting to put a copyright on my first name to avoid such horrible confusion in the future ... :-) -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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William H Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? what do you mean? xfce is GPL. [and i obviously did not say anything on xfce for long, except that i don't like it :-)] -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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i know it's only beta but how about the g400 driver for xfree4.1, ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2000/beta/ with a few people using it in the 7.2 betas co, they may be able to get a stable release out intime for 7.2
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I for one make it a practice of purchasing a boxed set anyway to help the "cause" even if I already have it up and running. Plus its good to have something "packaged" to show potential new users/customers. Heck somone has to pay the salaries/wine bills. I once sent smoked salmon to a developer but the tarriff might be a bit high to EU :) i think you can buy kippers online ;-)
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[pasting an old mail from me] As KDE 2 propose to use the search engine ht://Dig for the search of his documentation, should ht://Dig get in cooker now ? If so, I suggest also : -- you add the accent patch to manage fuzzy searching on accented caracters (everyday users of ht://Dig know how important it is). For the accent patch see : ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us//htdig-patches/3.1.5/accents.5 -- Linux-Mandrake also should have a better integration of ht://Dig (links with dictionnaries, better integration with Apache, and so on (I can discribe precisaly if you intend to do it)). -- Last ht://Dig Mandrake RPM package also have some problem to work : I suggest to see the problem of the sorting process when we use accented caracters. I discribe it and publish a solution in the htdig mailing list. See : http://www.htdig.org/mail/2000/05/0242.html Of course, in next Mandrake release, ht://Dig even should be automatically installed if KDE 2 package is chosen in the install process. I tested the search tool in KDE 2 : it works great ! Just try it ! Charles Népote. -Message d'origine- De : Warly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : samedi 19 août 2000 13:23 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [Cooker] ISO image Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly
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Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond yes we are ;-). [...] -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Warly wrote: Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test. No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test, so this time you are at least being honest. You're kidding!? This is the first iso image, e.g. first BETA, for the upcomming LM 7.2 [...] Perhaps you know what is going on, but we out here do not. For example, where does this iso fit in the entire scheme of things? Already told here -- we plan 2/3 ISO's or more if needed. Let's precise: 2/3 ISO's of BETA versions. Will it stay guaranteed frozen for long enough for a testing cycle (what is that? - say 1 or two months?) And what are you hoping for Freeze will go deeper as long as time passes. First, the internal development will be soon frozen; second, upgrade for packages; third, bugfixes for packages. from the Cooker community in response?Will the ISO include Testing the ISO's if you would like. documentation of the full list of all the enhancements and of any changed procedures over 7.1? And particularly list any 7.1 Certainly. applications or features not being carried forward into 7.2? Possibly. Depending on QA's I believe -- qa? -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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- Original Message - From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image Sounds like you guys are on the ball with beta testing. Good job. Will any TreLOS/Win4Lin kernel hooks be integrated into the Mandrake kernel for the next version? If not, anytime later? Hoyt
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William H Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could the non-included binaries be mentioned and simple directions in where to go to get them be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) That was a question for aureal stuff for example. This is up to pixel and denis AFAIK. But this is not something we're glad to spend time on. I have a connection much to slow to grab the ISO with any reliability. Could the betas be offered for sale (with the no guarantee clause of course). I would be glad to pay a little more from MandrakeSoft rather than waiting for CheapBytes, etc. We do not do sale ourselves. Anyway by any chance the BETA's will only reflect the situation of a frozen Cooker at one time. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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"Hoyt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image Sounds like you guys are on the ball with beta testing. Good job. Will any TreLOS/Win4Lin kernel hooks be integrated into the Mandrake kernel for the next version? If not, anytime later? Hoyt What is this "From: Guillaume Cottenceau" doing there?!?!?! -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] We do not do sale ourselves. What I want to say is that we do not do sales by ourselves. [this sentence can be multiply interpreted ;-)] Anyway by any chance the BETA's will only reflect the situation of a frozen Cooker at one time. What I want to say is that: if you install the "frozen cooker" the day after the release of BETA1, it will be 99.9% the same. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Well first off.. Make a beta that is freezed totally ( atleast for a week) Where I can test and give pointers and not get a message saying "Oh we have fixed that.. didn't you mirror this or that package??" A freeze is where NOTHING happens to the packages for a while, while we are testing.. It is very annoying to download and install the latest version and while testing you guys put out 10 changed packages.. Every time you guys release a package all previous testing is vasted. Also there still is NO way for mr Linux Newbie to change between Gnome and KDE. Linux Newbie doesn't know that he should do a echo startkde ~/.xinitrc to get kde instead of gnome wich seems to be the default these days. Michael Irving with his 4 cents - Original Message - From: "Warly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: [Cooker] ISO image Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly
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Troels Liebe Bentsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keyboard selection in 7.1 is broken (at least for danish keyboard), i would be nice to see this fixed i 7.2. how is it in cooker? ok? Move Keyboard and Language selection to bootdisk's so it would be possible to localize the bootdisks. not possible, not enough room :-/
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Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Side note to Pixel: While the installer has improved tremendously since you started the GI, it is still *much* slower than the old one we used on 6.x (ca. 40 minutes to install 1 GB, compared to 15-18 with the 6.x 15-18 for installing 1GB in 6.x ? really? installer on a p200). Ignoring interface changes, what about the installer is causing these slowdowns? we don't really know what makes the rpmlib but that slow :-(
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William H Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could the non-included binaries be mentioned and simple directions in where to go to get them be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) try urpmf!
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On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your package selection configuration. That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. This is an awesome idea that I agree with whole-heartedly. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net // Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org // MandrakeSoft, Inc. www.linux-mandrake.com 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux uptime: 1 day 3 hours 28 minutes.
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote: On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your package selection configuration. That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. This is an awesome idea that I agree with whole-heartedly. I aim to please ; ) But like I said, I can't imagine how it would make it into 7.2 -- Bryan Paxton Backup: The duplicate copy of crucial data that no one bothered to make; used only in the abstract.
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On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your package selection configuration. That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. This has my vote too. I'd vote for putting it on a floppy. That way I can run around and do all my upgrades with the exact same package selections! -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org "Heuristics are bug ridden by definition. If they didn't have bugs, then they'd be algorithms."
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Hi, Simple request, that I do not know how to do... Could you release freetds as a RPM in 7.2 (www.freetds.org). Freetds is a library that allows database connection to MS-SQL and SYBASE servers. When PHP is compiled with --enable-sybase, it allows the PHP code to access the above database through php sybase calls. It is important in entreprise environement... I have been using freetds (manual install and PHP repackaging) for a year now, and it working fine on my corporate server. Thanks. Franck Martin Database Development Officer SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission Fiji E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.sopac.org/ http://www.sopac.org/ This e-mail is intended for its recipients only. Do not forward this e-mail without approval. The views expressed in this e-mail may not be neccessarily the views of SOPAC. -Original Message- From: Warly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] ISO image Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote: On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your package selection configuration. That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. This has my vote too. I'd vote for putting it on a floppy. That way I can run around and do all my upgrades with the exact same package selections! Yes floppy was the idea : ) I suppose I should have mentioned that ; p -- Bryan Paxton Backup: The duplicate copy of crucial data that no one bothered to make; used only in the abstract.
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Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly
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Warly wrote: Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Get rid of the enlightenment-conf-0.15-*.i586.rpm package. 7.2 will ship with enlightenment-0.16.4 which has its own configuration dialogs included. No need for enlightenment-conf. Many things in enlightenment-conf are also broken with 0.16.x version of this windows manager. It was good for enlightenment version 0.15 but now its obsolete. Cheers, A.
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If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. I'd really like to see LVM tools included in Mandrake 7.2. LVM (logical volume manager) will be included in linux 2.4 and patches are available for 2.2, so at some point, possibly within the livetime of Mandrake 7.2, LVM may become a popular feature. (Ever hated to decide on partition sizes at install time? You'll love LVM :-) ) LVM tools are available from http://lvm.msede.com/ Jan
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One thing I like to see is some improvements of the Installer, when I choose upgrade automaticly I wanted to do a dist upgrade like debian. That mean I want to upgrade the exitsting packages and add the new features that have been added to the distro. I don't want to upgrade my system to the system I get from doing a new installation automaticly. //Snaggen -- Mattias Eriksson E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tvistevägen 26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 907 36 UMEA Tel:090-198800 SWEDEN 070-5636769 'I don't fight for a cause Hemsida: http://www.acc.umu.se/~snaggen I fight for the fight' PGP: http://www.acc.umu.se/~snaggen/snaggen.asc
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- Original Message - From: "Warly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: [Cooker] ISO image Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's drivers are still binary, but will the newer cards be supported in the upcoming release?
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List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe%20cooker List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe%20cooker List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Warly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: [Cooker] ISO image Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's drivers are still binary, but will the newer cards be supported in the upcoming release? you can of course use it on your LM distro without problem, but IMHO, anything that doesn't come with source here sucks...the only exception now i beleive is netscape, considering that amaya is not good enough, and mozilla isn't stable enough to replace netscape, and that lynx is console- based ... i vote against including binary only stuff here. isn't this the point of some distributions after all? to build a proprietary free operating system .. -- Geoff
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. Thanks -- Warly What i would like to see: Keyboard selection in 7.1 is broken (at least for danish keyboard), i would be nice to see this fixed i 7.2. Move Keyboard and Language selection to bootdisk's so it would be possible to localize the bootdisks. Include Aspell and pspell, redhat already do this. (But use the newest version, older version has compile problems on mandrake). Update the documentation on DrakeX, it has a many bugs, (like stating a file is obsolete, but its not). Get the GDM language selection to work. Update Webmin config_files, some of them point to the wrong places. (like dhcpd) Use helix-update i stead of Mandrake Update, and make updates to gnome available when thay come. Include Ethereal, Nessus and gtkyahoo in 7.2. Im have made some new ispell packages and is currently working on some aspell packages. You can grab them at ftp://ftp.rh.dk/sslug/ You can find gtkyahoo the same place. The changes to the ispell packages include: Reducing the size from 17 to 7 mb, standard template for all packages, improved redhat compatibility, updated wordlist for languages that had updates. It should now also be real noarch, as the hash generation is done on install (it takes about 2 sec per pkgs.). Regards Troels Liebe Bentsen
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My wish-list. 1 Recommend the user to make more than one bootdisk, by jumping back. ex. Second disk made bootable from fd0. 2 When the user opts for high security, absolutely no daemon, that listens out,should be initialised at boot. 3 Add a chapter to the DOC's that explain what services you think he might want to start and how. 4 All installed wm's could be written in sysconfig and the non relevants hashedout. Regards guran
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So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's drivers are still binary, but will the newer cards be supported in the upcoming release? you can of course use it on your LM distro without problem, but IMHO, anything that doesn't come with source here sucks...the only exception now i beleive is netscape, considering that amaya is not good enough, and mozilla isn't stable enough to replace netscape, and that lynx is console- based ... i vote against including binary only stuff here. isn't this the point of some distributions after all? to build a proprietary free operating system .. -- Geoff I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these drivers *should* be available. However, as far as ease of use goes, more and more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is wanting the distro to be one of the easiest to install as well as the most robust, I believe some of the binary drivers would be useful in the distribution. I don't mean to draw flames, and this is not a request for myself; it's a consideration for new users with newer hardware.
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Tim a écrit : i vote against including binary only stuff here. isn't this the point of some distributions after all? to build a proprietary free operating system I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these drivers *should* be available. However, as far as ease of use goes, more and more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is wanting the distro to be one of the easiest to install as well as the most robust, I believe some of the binary drivers would be useful in the distribution. I don't mean to draw flames, and this is not a request for myself; it's a consideration for new users with newer hardware. Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided on main CD ? -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Plus petites unités de mesure - de longueur : le millimètre - de volume : le millilitre - d'intelligence : le militaire
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Could the non-included binaries be mentioned and simple directions in where to go to get them be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) I have a connection much to slow to grab the ISO with any reliability. Could the betas be offered for sale (with the no guarantee clause of course). I would be glad to pay a little more from MandrakeSoft rather than waiting for CheapBytes, etc. William Bouterse Talkeetna Alaska
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, you wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your package selection configuration. That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. -- Bryan Paxton Intel: where Quality is job number 0.9998782345!
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Submitted 19-Aug-00 by Tim: So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's drivers are still binary, but will the newer cards be supported in the upcoming release? snip snailtalk's response I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these drivers *should* be available. However, as far as ease of use goes, more and more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For I wouldn't consider the Diamond MX300 a "popular" or "new" card. Aureal has been in bankrupcy since April, and Diamond switched production to the MX400 to get away from the (no longer available) Aureal chip. Furthermore Diamond Multimedia is soon to be a non-entity as well as its parent company das decided to shut it down instead of selling it. Current hardware and open source drivers are not, by nature, mutually exclusive. As an example, we (the linux cummunity) had support for ATA-100 before Windows. This was because the information required to write the drivers was freely available. As recently as 10 years ago, the hardware you could put into a pc that required a "driver" was one of: mouse, SCSI adapter, and CD-ROM. The games all had built-in support for two standards for sound. The problem here (IMHO) isn't ideology, but rather one of paranoia. The manufacturers seem to think that they will some how lose something if somebody else knows how their hardware works. Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off. Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI sound cards. Were I a hardware manufacturer, I wouldn't care what operating system was installed on the machine it was going into as long as the hardware was compatible (can't put an ISA card into a Mac, for example). And that is how the manufacturers _used_ to view things. No matter what you choose to blame the change on, it is still the manufacturers who are making it difficult. -- Anton GrahamGPG ID: 0x18F78541 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RSA key available upon request There is nothing wrong with writing ... as long as it is done in private and you wash your hands afterward.
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[ ...] feeling lazy, going to cat the 2 replies to one. I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these drivers *should* be available. However, as far as ease of use goes, more and but they aren't that's why we don't want to include them. more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is wanting the distro to be one of the easiest to install as well as the most robust, I believe some of the binary drivers would be useful in the distribution. I don't mean to draw flames, and this is not a request for myself; it's a consideration for new users with newer hardware. yes, but remember, this isn't just about the latest hardware, if you can stand binary only drivers then i can safely assume that you can stand a binary only distribution as well .. no. i'm going to vote against include binary only stuff. Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided on main CD ? if you can get a license agreement with those company(s) concerned then maybe something could be arranged. (this statement is definitely NOT a promise!!) -- Geoff
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[...] Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off. Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI sound cards. Were I a hardware manufacturer, I wouldn't care what operating system was installed on the machine it was going into as long as the hardware was compatible (can't put an ISA card into a Mac, for example). And that is how the manufacturers _used_ to view things. No matter what you choose to blame the change on, it is still the manufacturers who are making it difficult. still, the binary drivers *is* a start. i guess they must be wondering why even with drivers the major distributions aren't contcating htem about licensing issues with including it in their main distro! :) in general something in GNU/Linux without source .tar.gz, i don't use it ... back to the point, until they open source the drivers, or better still release it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the distro. -- Geoff
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i always use SBLIVE as the perfect example of this. Before creative opened the source for emu10k1, the driver was binary only, only worked with 1 kernel, and didn't work that well. After 1 month of being open source, the driver compiled, ran great, was smp compatible, and was working better than ever. Now it's even better than that. If nvidia or any of the other hardware makers could do that, they would benifit with code they could probably take to winblows and improve performance over there. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey Lee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image [...] Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off. Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI sound cards. Were I a hardware manufacturer, I wouldn't care what operating system was installed on the machine it was going into as long as the hardware was compatible (can't put an ISA card into a Mac, for example). And that is how the manufacturers _used_ to view things. No matter what you choose to blame the change on, it is still the manufacturers who are making it difficult. still, the binary drivers *is* a start. i guess they must be wondering why even with drivers the major distributions aren't contcating htem about licensing issues with including it in their main distro! :) in general something in GNU/Linux without source .tar.gz, i don't use it ... back to the point, until they open source the drivers, or better still release it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the distro. -- Geoff
Re: [Cooker] ISO image
Submitted 19-Aug-00 by Warly: Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. Would it be possible/feasible to some of the mirrors to mount the ISO as a loopback so that we could simply mirror/update packages? Frankly, the only system I hav available for testing I would prefer not to do fresh installs on (and as I recall, the upgrade code is still terribly slow). Side note to Pixel: While the installer has improved tremendously since you started the GI, it is still *much* slower than the old one we used on 6.x (ca. 40 minutes to install 1 GB, compared to 15-18 with the 6.x installer on a p200). Ignoring interface changes, what about the installer is causing these slowdowns? -- Anton GrahamGPG ID: 0x18F78541 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RSA key available upon request Authors (and perhaps columnists) eventually rise to the top of whatever depths they were once able to plumb. -- Stanley Kaufman
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I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? Guillaume Rousse wrote: Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided on main CD ? -- Guillaume Rousse I for one make it a practice of purchasing a boxed set anyway to help the "cause" even if I already have it up and running. Plus its good to have something "packaged" to show potential new users/customers. Heck somone has to pay the salaries/wine bills. I once sent smoked salmon to a developer but the tarriff might be a bit high to EU :) William Bouterse Talkeetna Alaska
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William H Bouterse a écrit : I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i never expressed any kind of opinion about XFCE/XFWM (in fact, i never heard of it before). I'm getting to put a copyright on my first name to avoid such horrible confusion in the future ... :-) -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Plus petites unités de mesure - de longueur : le millimètre - de volume : le millilitre - d'intelligence : le militaire
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Warly wrote: Dear cooker members, We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming Linux-Mandrake 7.2. Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test. No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test, so this time you are at least being honest. An ISO is premature - You do recall that we have been publicly promised a new distribution tree for 7.2 beta, separate from Cooker? This plainly should precede an ISO, and in fact must already exist within MandrakeSoft, but has NOT been made public or given to the mirrors. If you want some special versions or patches included in, please give your comments fast. We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you, and would like to let you better informed for this version. I appreciate that greatly. Thanks And no thanks, for me. Perhaps you know what is going on, but we out here do not. For example, where does this iso fit in the entire scheme of things? Will it stay guaranteed frozen for long enough for a testing cycle (what is that? - say 1 or two months?) And what are you hoping for from the Cooker community in response?Will the ISO include documentation of the full list of all the enhancements and of any changed procedures over 7.1? And particularly list any 7.1 applications or features not being carried forward into 7.2? -- Regards, Ron. [AU]
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John Hope I'm not over-simplifying here, but I used one of the newer "80 minute" cd-r's with no prob. :) 700 meg worth. get 'um everywhere bill John Ratke wrote: I created my own iso image by following the directions from the web page. (Actually I had to change gi_cdrom.img to just cdrom.img). I also ran the lftp command a few times to try to get up to date. Unfortunately this does not delete the old versions of the rpms. So I am afraid that I have some extra useless data. I deleted some of the obvious duplicates, but I don't want to go searching through 1000+ RPMS. Should I just be using rsync instead? The problem is that the ISO image I made is too big to burn. (687271936 bytes or 655MB, to be exact) I assume that the goal is to make everything fit on one CD? Is someone keeping track of this? Is there something I can get rid of that I won't need to install like the Mandrake/mdkinst or Mandrake/instimage directories? I'm glad that there are this many packages. Better too many than too few! :) Thanks. -John
Re: [Cooker] ISO image - NeoMagic problems
Axalon Bloodstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Chris Cable wrote: Is there a list of what has been changed or included in each successive iso image? I was just curious if there was a way to browse what has been changed, just for reference. No Also has anyone had problems with installing with a neomagic chipset? I keep getting a X11Socket Error that says it cannot connect error = 111. Does fbcon load, if so just retry a few times. the Xserver takes awhile to start sometimes. maybe augmenting the timeout will help ?
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Pixel, What do you mean by augmenting the timeout? I downloaded the Oxygen-2.iso last night and tried it again and it tried it. All it does is ask to use pcmcia and then after selecting no it displays continueing to second stage and then after a few moments and the CdRom spinning it comes back with that X error and then scrolls the rest of initilization strings and stops at the: (7) ISO 9660 Extension: blah blah I noticed that when I booted on other machines I got a Checking Ram disk statues bar at the beginning of the install but I don't see it on the laptop. Is there a specific reason for this? Any information is appreciated! Thanks Chris Cable --- Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Axalon Bloodstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Chris Cable wrote: Is there a list of what has been changed or included in each successive iso image? I was just curious if there was a way to browse what has been changed, just for reference. No Also has anyone had problems with installing with a neomagic chipset? I keep getting a X11Socket Error that says it cannot connect error = 111. Does fbcon load, if so just retry a few times. the Xserver takes awhile to start sometimes. maybe augmenting the timeout will help ? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
