Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
David Walluck wrote: L.A.Lawless wrote: On Saturday 21 July 2001 5:25 pm, you wrote: This brings me to a problem that I encountered with Madrake Freq. I find that often /mnt/cdrom is a locked directory and I cannot get access even as root. To be told that root has insufficient permissions is a little odd. I can create another directory im .mnt and an fstab entry to point to it, and that gives me access, but then I have complaints about multiple mounts and it's no good fro such as rpmdrake that is looking for a cd on /mnt/cdrom. I can cure it for a time, then it mysreriously returns. BTW it's an IDE drive and I only have the one. So, get rid of supermount? How would that solve a locked directory in /mnt? Apologies for the fact that I haven't set up Postfix completely yet, specifically, no aliases. Locked doesn't have to mean you don't have persmission to access the file. Supermount could be locking the drive. One easy way to find out is to disable it. What does postfix have to do with the first part of your e-mail? I've disabled supermount for my cd drive and so far, no problems. Kept it for my floppy so far as that seems to work OK. The only answer I could think of was a supermount problem, as I could access the cd drive by mounting it elsewhere and not using suopermount. The postfix thing is about my not setting up my aliases file yet, so I'm not getting the information I want inmy headers yet. That's a job for today. And I am using Mozilla with a direct connection to my ISP at the moment because some unknown person has sent an attachment (Windows type) that locks my mailbox at my ISP and prevents that mail being deleted.Has anyone heard of MSOOBD.exe? My ISP uses Unix servers, but I had to delete this mail myself in order to be able to get past it. Maybe in Windows it just brought Norton's mail proxy server down? -- Anna
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On 20 Jul 2001 23:55:39 -0400, Larry Braden wrote: Hello all, Hope this isn't an old hat problem, but I'm getting input/output errors when I open a terminal to /mnt/cdrom. This is the case with root and users. FSTAB says supermount is set up for iso9660. Any ideas on what I need to do? The OS was just freshly installed. thanks sincerely, Larry Braden, Catonsville, MD 21228 Larry, What kind of drive is it? IDE or SCSI? I hadn't seen this problem before a few nights ago, but then installed Mandrake Freq #2 on a different system than I normally run cooker on, and it has an Adaptec 2930CU card and an HP 9210 CDRW drive (the cooker system is all IDE). Last night went to install a few packages in rpmdrake and it popped out CD 1 and asked me to insert CD 2. But it didn't remount properly. It showed me about a dozen rpms, all in the root directory of the disc, and then one directory having the same name as one of the packages, that seemed to be a recursive link to the same directory of those same dozen packages. Verified the CD in another system (and on the same system but booted into Windows, so on the same drive) and the disc was fine. Did some more digging, and it seems that if I boot with the drive empty, the first disc I put in is fine. If I change discs, I either get an input/output error, or some bizarrely mounted disc like I described. If I boot with a disc in the drive, that disc gets mounted fine during boot, but as soon as I take it out I start getting VFS messages (inode busy messages of some sort) as soon as I eject the disc. If I close the tray empty, the messages keep going. Close it with a different disc in it and I again get either an input/output error or some crazy mount that doesn't work. My gut feeling is it has something to do with the SCSI drivers. Anyone? (My gut feeling comes from the fact that the SCSI drivers in the kernel used for the install are totally broken - over 3 hours to install the RPMs because the driver doesn't talk nicely to the card - I trust the next Mandrake Freq release with fix this...?) Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On 21 Jul 2001 10:15:40 +, civileme wrote: On Saturday 21 July 2001 07:54, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 09:42:44 +, civileme wrote: Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... update my firmware, huh? That sounds like as much fun as flashing the BIOS (I fried one once - I've been bitter, angry man ever since). Well if that was fun, here is something that will really wake you up in the morning: http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/docs/HOWTO/SiS630 It is a little-known fact that BIOS chips are hot-swappable.-) It always seems like a great idea when first you find out about it, but then reality sets in. To re-flash a wrecked bios, you need to boot from a good bios, take that chip out and put in the fried one, and then run the flash utility. But where oh where do you get that good bios? You have to have access to the same make and model of motherboard from which to take it, and inevitably all your friends have a different motherboard than you. :-) Just easier to buy a new motherboard (besides which, then you get something newer, faster, better, more bells, more whistles). :-) Actually it is likely to be MORE fun to flash an Adfaptec firmware BIOS because not all Adaptec boards are created equal, and some of them have no flash capabilities even in the 2930, 2940 and 29160 series. There are also more than 150 different firmware versions, just to make life a little more interesting. That sounds like too much fun for me to handle, actually (though you never did tell me where to get them from). I'll just deal with it being fixed in software. :-) Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On 21 Jul 2001 03:31:23 -0600, Eaon wrote: Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon Replying to my own message, it seems I was wrong, it is supermount. Found this thread http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1065lang=en on mandrakeforum which suggests supermount -i disable. Seems to work for me in a quick informal test with the inst and ext cds that were giving me trouble. So, goodbye, then, supermount. It was nice knowing you. Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
From: civileme Sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:00:38 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eaon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0 On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:51, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 03:31:23 -0600, Eaon wrote: Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon Replying to my own message, it seems I was wrong, it is supermount. Found this thread http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1065lang=en on mandrakeforum which suggests supermount -i disable. Seems to work for me in a quick informal test with the inst and ext cds that were giving me trouble. So, goodbye, then, supermount. It was nice knowing you. Eaon OK thanks--missed that one. Supermount has been pretty reliable up to kernel 2.4, but all things have to adapt to new conditions. Newbies are the most affected, of course. Civileme Would this supermount problem also affect IDE Zip drives? Since L-M 8.0 my ip drive has been acting up. I have lockups and the error messages that the interupt has been lost. -- David Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED] My GnuPG Key ID: 78A3ADB0
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
Hello all, My CD drive is an atapi Acer 40x and a Creative CDRW being scsi emulated. When I boot with a cd in the drive I can access it from terminal. If I change CDs can't access it either as root or a user. Using the software manager, I can't access cdroms so I am not able to add or update packages that require cdaccess. Neither can I access /mnt/zip as root or user. Seems to be supermount. Thanks all. On 20 Jul 2001 23:55:39 -0400, Larry Braden wrote: Hello all, Hope this isn't an old hat problem, but I'm getting input/output errors when I open a terminal to /mnt/cdrom. This is the case with root and users. FSTAB says supermount is set up for iso9660. Any ideas on what I need to do? The OS was just freshly installed. thanks sincerely, Larry Braden, Catonsville, MD 21228
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 5:25 pm, you wrote: From: civileme Sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:00:38 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eaon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0 On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:51, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 03:31:23 -0600, Eaon wrote: Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon Replying to my own message, it seems I was wrong, it is supermount. Found this thread http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1065lang=en on mandrakeforum which suggests supermount -i disable. Seems to work for me in a quick informal test with the inst and ext cds that were giving me trouble. So, goodbye, then, supermount. It was nice knowing you. Eaon OK thanks--missed that one. Supermount has been pretty reliable up to kernel 2.4, but all things have to adapt to new conditions. Newbies are the most affected, of course. Civileme Would this supermount problem also affect IDE Zip drives? Since L-M 8.0 my ip drive has been acting up. I have lockups and the error messages that the interupt has been lost. This brings me to a problem that I encountered with Madrake Freq. I find that often /mnt/cdrom is a locked directory and I cannot get access even as root. To be told that root has insufficient permissions is a little odd. I can create another directory im .mnt and an fstab entry to point to it, and that gives me access, but then I have complaints about multiple mounts and it's no good fro such as rpmdrake that is looking for a cd on /mnt/cdrom. I can cure it for a time, then it mysreriously returns. BTW it's an IDE drive and I only have the one. So, get rid of supermount? How would that solve a locked directory in /mnt? Apologies for the fact that I haven't set up Postfix completely yet, specifically, no aliases. -- Anna
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
L.A.Lawless wrote: On Saturday 21 July 2001 5:25 pm, you wrote: This brings me to a problem that I encountered with Madrake Freq. I find that often /mnt/cdrom is a locked directory and I cannot get access even as root. To be told that root has insufficient permissions is a little odd. I can create another directory im .mnt and an fstab entry to point to it, and that gives me access, but then I have complaints about multiple mounts and it's no good fro such as rpmdrake that is looking for a cd on /mnt/cdrom. I can cure it for a time, then it mysreriously returns. BTW it's an IDE drive and I only have the one. So, get rid of supermount? How would that solve a locked directory in /mnt? Apologies for the fact that I haven't set up Postfix completely yet, specifically, no aliases. Locked doesn't have to mean you don't have persmission to access the file. Supermount could be locking the drive. One easy way to find out is to disable it. What does postfix have to do with the first part of your e-mail? -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 07:11, Eaon wrote: On 20 Jul 2001 23:55:39 -0400, Larry Braden wrote: Hello all, Hope this isn't an old hat problem, but I'm getting input/output errors when I open a terminal to /mnt/cdrom. This is the case with root and users. FSTAB says supermount is set up for iso9660. Any ideas on what I need to do? The OS was just freshly installed. thanks sincerely, Larry Braden, Catonsville, MD 21228 Larry, What kind of drive is it? IDE or SCSI? I hadn't seen this problem before a few nights ago, but then installed Mandrake Freq #2 on a different system than I normally run cooker on, and it has an Adaptec 2930CU card and an HP 9210 CDRW drive (the cooker system is all IDE). Last night went to install a few packages in rpmdrake and it popped out CD 1 and asked me to insert CD 2. But it didn't remount properly. It showed me about a dozen rpms, all in the root directory of the disc, and then one directory having the same name as one of the packages, that seemed to be a recursive link to the same directory of those same dozen packages. Verified the CD in another system (and on the same system but booted into Windows, so on the same drive) and the disc was fine. Did some more digging, and it seems that if I boot with the drive empty, the first disc I put in is fine. If I change discs, I either get an input/output error, or some bizarrely mounted disc like I described. If I boot with a disc in the drive, that disc gets mounted fine during boot, but as soon as I take it out I start getting VFS messages (inode busy messages of some sort) as soon as I eject the disc. If I close the tray empty, the messages keep going. Close it with a different disc in it and I again get either an input/output error or some crazy mount that doesn't work. My gut feeling is it has something to do with the SCSI drivers. Anyone? (My gut feeling comes from the fact that the SCSI drivers in the kernel used for the install are totally broken - over 3 hours to install the RPMs because the driver doesn't talk nicely to the card - I trust the next Mandrake Freq release with fix this...?) Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... Anyway, that was overshadowed in that Freq by fixes for the Promise and other off-board IDE controllers and for the IBM trackpoint (the running kernel actually recognizes it though the install image alternative has to be used to get it going). You can also rmmod aic7xxx modprobe aic7xxx_old and you should(tm) be fine, too. Civileme Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:51, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 03:31:23 -0600, Eaon wrote: Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? Eaon Replying to my own message, it seems I was wrong, it is supermount. Found this thread http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1065lang=en on mandrakeforum which suggests supermount -i disable. Seems to work for me in a quick informal test with the inst and ext cds that were giving me trouble. So, goodbye, then, supermount. It was nice knowing you. Eaon OK thanks--missed that one. Supermount has been pretty reliable up to kernel 2.4, but all things have to adapt to new conditions. Newbies are the most affected, of course. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On Saturday 21 July 2001 09:31, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 10:15:40 +, civileme wrote: On Saturday 21 July 2001 07:54, Eaon wrote: On 21 Jul 2001 09:42:44 +, civileme wrote: Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... update my firmware, huh? That sounds like as much fun as flashing the BIOS (I fried one once - I've been bitter, angry man ever since). Well if that was fun, here is something that will really wake you up in the morning: http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/docs/HOWTO/SiS630 It is a little-known fact that BIOS chips are hot-swappable.-) It always seems like a great idea when first you find out about it, but then reality sets in. To re-flash a wrecked bios, you need to boot from a good bios, take that chip out and put in the fried one, and then run the flash utility. But where oh where do you get that good bios? You have to have access to the same make and model of motherboard from which to take it, and inevitably all your friends have a different motherboard than you. :-) Just easier to buy a new motherboard (besides which, then you get something newer, faster, better, more bells, more whistles). :-) Actually it is likely to be MORE fun to flash an Adfaptec firmware BIOS because not all Adaptec boards are created equal, and some of them have no flash capabilities even in the 2930, 2940 and 29160 series. There are also more than 150 different firmware versions, just to make life a little more interesting. That sounds like too much fun for me to handle, actually (though you never did tell me where to get them from). I'll just deal with it being fixed in software. :-) Anyway, we seem to have gotten way off the original topic here, which is the odd behaviour of cdrom drives in 8.0 and Freq 2. Is it a mount bug? Supermount? (I don't think so, since I un-supermounted the cd drive and still had the same issue). Does it have any relation to it being a SCSI drive, or is that not the issue? It is not the issue. We have never been able to reproduce this behavior, but it has been reported on ZIPs, CDROMs, CDRWs, and DVDs. Civileme Eaon
Re: [Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
On 21 Jul 2001 09:42:44 +, civileme wrote: Only one and it isn't broken. It was a new driver responding to firmware changes on the Adaptec SCSI cards. If you update the firmware on your card, that driver works fine. A few weeks later, of course, a new unified driver was issued... update my firmware, huh? That sounds like as much fun as flashing the BIOS (I fried one once - I've been bitter, angry man ever since). And where does one get such things? I see lots on adaptec's site about drivers, but nothing on firmware. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough - I do that sometimes. snip You can also rmmod aic7xxx modprobe aic7xxx_old and you should(tm) be fine, too. Ah, neat trick. Didn't realize there was an _old. I will keep that in mind. Thanks. Civileme Eaon
[Cooker] trouble with CDROM on Mandrakefr 8.0
Hello all, Hope this isn't an old hat problem, but I'm getting input/output errors when I open a terminal to /mnt/cdrom. This is the case with root and users. FSTAB says supermount is set up for iso9660. Any ideas on what I need to do? The OS was just freshly installed. thanks sincerely, Larry Braden, Catonsville, MD 21228
