Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:52:49PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: the problem is that you cannot use dns names for restrictions in ntpd.conf, so we would have to putt all ip addresses for pool.ntp.org in there. But I think (looking at Daouda's updated clock.pl) that we are talking about the 'server' entries in /etc/ntp.conf, which most certainly can be hostnames, and the NTP people have been suggesting using 3 entries the pool.ntp.org for a few months now. i mean that an ntp.conf should look something like restrict default ignore restrict 127.0.0.1 notrust nomodify restrict local-net mask local-mask noquery notrust nomodify restrict serverip noquery nomodify server servername but since pool.ntp.org ip addresses tend to change it is difficult to have correct restriction in place. I don't think dauda script uses restriction, but then it should. L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media Services S.r.l. /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daouda LO wrote: [...] Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: I think that this is aimed only at the client part. We assume that the time server is available only in the local network and has the 'at least 3 external stratums' correctly (manually) set. External servers list should be dropped. WDYT ?
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
Le jeu 30/10/2003 à 11:46, Daouda LO a écrit : I think that this is aimed only at the client part. We assume that the time server is available only in the local network and has the 'at least 3 external stratums' correctly (manually) set. External servers list should be dropped. WDYT ? so this should really be in a different button. But that's sound sensible --- Il ne faut pas mettre de vinaigre dans ses ecrits, il faut y mettre du sel. -- Montesquieu, Mes pensees
NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan Ciger wanted us to know: computers. Setting up NTP server there is : a) overkill Maybe, for a dialup, I'll give you that. b) quite tricky if you do not know what you are doing I think someone should add to a wiki somewhere: urpmi ntp echo server time.ucla.edu prefer /etc/ntp.conf echo time.ucla.edu /etc/ntp/step-tickers service ntpd restart It will automatically be configured to start when the rpm is installed. Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome.
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daouda LO wrote: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan Ciger wanted us to know: computers. Setting up NTP server there is : a) overkill Maybe, for a dialup, I'll give you that. b) quite tricky if you do not know what you are doing I think someone should add to a wiki somewhere: urpmi ntp echo server time.ucla.edu prefer /etc/ntp.conf echo time.ucla.edu /etc/ntp/step-tickers service ntpd restart It will automatically be configured to start when the rpm is installed. Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ host pool.ntp.org pool.ntp.org has address 217.114.97.97 pool.ntp.org has address 217.157.1.202 pool.ntp.org has address 65.211.109.11 pool.ntp.org has address 129.240.64.3 pool.ntp.org has address 130.60.73.143 pool.ntp.org has address 130.94.201.36 pool.ntp.org has address 193.170.141.4 pool.ntp.org has address 204.17.42.199 pool.ntp.org has address 206.168.231.98 pool.ntp.org has address 209.162.205.202 pool.ntp.org has address 212.204.230.141 pool.ntp.org has address 212.242.64.180 pool.ntp.org has address 213.15.3.1 pool.ntp.org has address 213.134.172.184 pool.ntp.org has address 216.27.185.42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ host pool.ntp.org pool.ntp.org has address 216.27.185.42 pool.ntp.org has address 217.114.97.97 pool.ntp.org has address 217.157.1.202 pool.ntp.org has address 65.211.109.11 pool.ntp.org has address 129.240.64.3 pool.ntp.org has address 130.60.73.143 pool.ntp.org has address 130.94.201.36 pool.ntp.org has address 193.170.141.4 pool.ntp.org has address 204.17.42.199 pool.ntp.org has address 206.168.231.98 pool.ntp.org has address 209.162.205.202 pool.ntp.org has address 212.204.230.141 pool.ntp.org has address 212.242.64.180 pool.ntp.org has address 213.15.3.1 pool.ntp.org has address 213.134.172.184 Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n+W8rJK6UGDSBKcRAu0KAJ0fec8tXHbh1Zy3bxf0PgZpyU+IZwCglP3T vB3/osOltwR2PLjBa041LXY= =cCrO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 3:13 pm, Daouda LO wrote: FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. Well the dropdown won't stay down if you left the mouse button go. Other than that it picked up my (existing) local ntp server setting just fine. -- John Allen, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member. http://allentech.homelinux.org/
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:07:25PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: the problem is that you cannot use dns names for restrictions in ntpd.conf, so we would have to putt all ip addresses for pool.ntp.org in there. L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media Services S.r.l. /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
Le mer 29/10/2003 à 15:13, Daouda LO a écrit : Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. works fine. pick my existing ntp server and can override it fine. problem with dropdown menu ( cf John Allen mail ) I think this should be place under a special button ( named Time Server for example ) in order to have a cleaner GUI --- Combien d'acteurs paraissent naturels parce qu'ils n'ont aucun talent. -- Jules Renard, Journal
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
Le mer 29/10/2003 à 15:13, Daouda LO a écrit : Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. oh well, this need to be fixed in both installer and in clock.pl i think : starting ntpd is not enough to ensure that the system will be sync with the time server see this message : Oct 29 19:18:26 admin3 ntpd[32372]: time correction of -3585 seconds exceeds sanity limit (1000); set clock manually to the correct UTC time. This occurs because ntpd stop himself if the delay between local time and server time is superior to 1000s see : http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/debug.html to avoid this without having to change/set tinker panic, we should first ensure that ntpd is stopped ( service ntpd stop ), then launch ntpdate ( ntpdate mynewserver.com ), and finally lanch ntpd ( service ntpd start ) indeed ntpdate doesn't use the panic threshold and just sync the time with the server time. So this way we are sure that ntpd will be running fine afterwards --- Il faut rire avant d'etre heureux, de peur de mourir sans avoir ri. -- Jean de La Bruyere, Les Caracteres
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 7:42 pm, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le mer 29/10/2003 à 15:13, Daouda LO a écrit : Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. oh well, this need to be fixed in both installer and in clock.pl i think : starting ntpd is not enough to ensure that the system will be sync with the time server see this message : Oct 29 19:18:26 admin3 ntpd[32372]: time correction of -3585 seconds exceeds sanity limit (1000); set clock manually to the correct UTC time. Normally the ntpd initscript will do an ntpdate if, and only if /etc/ntp/conf/step-tickers exists. So the GUI should init that file with the value of your ntp server -- John Allen, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member. http://allentech.homelinux.org/
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:07:25PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: the problem is that you cannot use dns names for restrictions in ntpd.conf, so we would have to putt all ip addresses for pool.ntp.org in there. But I think (looking at Daouda's updated clock.pl) that we are talking about the 'server' entries in /etc/ntp.conf, which most certainly can be hostnames, and the NTP people have been suggesting using 3 entries the pool.ntp.org for a few months now. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n/5wrJK6UGDSBKcRAiecAJwIOHFj+7P4O090bCAn8LH4JcEcYwCdFrWS 3YTQG5s0D4NmIq1s2wx2DI8= =wKBM -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Lyons wrote: | Jan Ciger wanted us to know: | I think someone should add to a wiki somewhere: | | urpmi ntp | echo server time.ucla.edu prefer /etc/ntp.conf | echo time.ucla.edu /etc/ntp/step-tickers | service ntpd restart | | It will automatically be configured to start when the rpm is installed. Actually this is very bad thing to do. You should use at least 3 servers in that case (if one is giving wrong time, the others will correct it). Moreover, do not put the ucla.edu machine in the wiki, they will not be happy about that - imagine thousands of machines pounding on the server, because clueless newbies copy-pasted your wiki entry. I think Linksys made a similar goof with one of their routers recently. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nQfUn11XseNj94gRAm1oAKCfyO1sw9HEe95eKyOGtqEr+o1JSACfbRhE uXMxZZYWebgHzPM/Xn9o29A= =O5Ad -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Ciger wanted us to know: computers. Setting up NTP server there is : a) overkill Maybe, for a dialup, I'll give you that. b) quite tricky if you do not know what you are doing I think someone should add to a wiki somewhere: urpmi ntp echo server time.ucla.edu prefer /etc/ntp.conf echo time.ucla.edu /etc/ntp/step-tickers service ntpd restart It will automatically be configured to start when the rpm is installed. - -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | Sometimes you get what you want. | | http://www.mrball.net | Sometimes you get experience. | | http://faq.mrball.net | --unknown origin | Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mdk load average: 0.00, 0.13, 0.12 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/nLdIIBT1264ScBURAkQWAKDIlxe8T5ylEqRK+8u886jND8AOtgCfVRZR wYLFO/ZQxB8qgzy2pDgsr/o= =tBoQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
Le Vendredi 24 Octobre 2003 05:31, BOUTELIER Sébastien a écrit : Hello ! I have some wishes for the Mandrake 10.0... First of all, is it possible to include in the Mandrake Controle Center a module for Bittorrent ? This module ask the user where to save the files, his login and password of mandrake club and that's all, the download start. This module can verify the presence of a proxy or a firewall, configure shorewall and give some advices to the user. I think the newbies will be happy with this ! No more FAQ or problem of python dependencies... You could use this system to download Beta or RC when we are in Beta or RC period. Good idea, but is this necessary ? From Mandrake Club, the link https://www.mandrakeclub.com/torrent.php?f_=x.torrent calls Bittorrent. Bittorrent-shadowsclient is very nice and should replace the old version. Some features should be include: - a link to http://torrent.mandrakesoft.com:6969/ - an indication about the overall requested download bandwith and the available upload bandwith. - a message or a vu-meter to show the balance between upload and download. When download is over, ask for don't stop upload. My fourth wish is perhaps a detail but is it possible to have an option to synchronize the time with a NTP regularly in the date and time module of MCC ? (in fact use a ntp command with cron or at internet connection). Never call a ntp server with cron! This is the best way to overload a ntp server if several people do that. Instead, use ntpd which is provided to call the server when needed and does the best drift compensation for local clocks. The first aim of ntpd is to make your time accurate, which is absolutely necessary to become a server... if needed. PS: Raaah ! I speak english like Babelfish ! I so! But we are not alone ;-) -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pierre Jarillon wrote: | Le Vendredi 24 Octobre 2003 05:31, BOUTELIER Sébastien a écrit : |My fourth wish is perhaps a detail but is it possible to have an option to |synchronize the time with a NTP regularly in the date and time module of |MCC ? (in fact use a ntp command with cron or at internet connection). | | | Never call a ntp server with cron! This is the best way to overload a ntp | server if several people do that. | Instead, use ntpd which is provided to call the server when needed and | does the best drift compensation for local clocks. The first aim of ntpd is | to make your time accurate, which is absolutely necessary to become a | server... if needed. I think that the original idea was not to have non-stop synchronized clock (aka ntpd) but just the possibility to e.g. once a day synchronize clock with some external server. For desktop machines, this is usually enough, unless you have some special requirements. To avoid the server overload (100+ machines syncing their clock at the same time), the script could be smart and randomize the time when it runs a bit. AutoRPM does this - when you pass it a special switch, it will wait for some random time (from few minutes up to several hours) and then do it's job. So it is OK to call this from the cron. I have such setup (with autoRPM to update 15 machines) and it works quite fine. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mT0wn11XseNj94gRAlzUAKC8JCmtBaNtTK/Xv6ocOEnr3q9kgQCfaTQA 8NjdjmFXevkWIynk3w6Xk1g= =LXYE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, BOUTELIER [ISO-8859-1] Sbastien wrote: My second whish is in mousedrake. Is it possible to add a module to configure the thumbs (side ?) buttons of the mouse. Not only associate Alt right in konqueror with right button but the possibility to select an application and enter what a thumbs button makes. For exemple select Open Office and associate the right side button with Ctrl-S. I have made this with imwheel but it was painfull... Setting up mouse for left handed users by mousedrake will be helpful too. R.V.
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
BOUTELIER Sébastien wrote: Hello ! I have some wishes for the Mandrake 10.0... First of all, is it possible to include in the Mandrake Controle Center a module for Bittorrent ? This module ask the user where to save the files, his login and password of mandrake club and that's all, the download start. This module can verify the presence of a proxy or a firewall, configure shorewall and give some advices to the user. I think the newbies will be happy with this ! No more FAQ or problem of python dependencies... You could use this system to download Beta or RC when we are in Beta or RC period. My second whish is in mousedrake. Is it possible to add a module to configure the thumbs (side ?) buttons of the mouse. Not only associate Alt right in konqueror with right button but the possibility to select an application and enter what a thumbs button makes. For exemple select Open Office and associate the right side button with Ctrl-S. I have made this with imwheel but it was painfull... My third wish is about drakeloop. It's a very good idea but is it possible to have an option to ask the pass only when access the encrypted directory instead on login ? My fourth wish is perhaps a detail but is it possible to have an option to synchronize the time with a NTP regularly in the date and time module of MCC ? (in fact use a ntp command with cron or at internet connection). My fifth wish is a detail too and is in apache... I use http://localhost/~someone to work but the consequence is that /home/someone is readable and I don't want it. What about a directory /public_html and when you create an account someone, you create a directory someone in /public_html and with owner someone and with group apache. Now, only user someone and apache can read the directory and my /home/someone is non readable by the others. It's possible to make a symbolic link /home/someone/public_html - /public_html/someone I'm not an expert of linux and I don't know if all this wishes are realists. Hope that this wishes can help and that the genius of Mandrake can execute them... Let's rub the lamp ! Sébastien. PS: It's just suggestions for the 10.0. I don't need help ! Bittorrent is OK for me, I can use my thumbs button and webmin is fabulous to make cron jobs. PS: Raaah ! I speak english like Babelfish ! -- BOUTELIER Sébastien ICQ: 14554603 http://www.priap.com The fifth wish is an easy workaround. On my system at home, I created a /www directory and create users in there as necessary, configuring Apache to look their for user webspaces. You can probably add something to /etc/skel that will accomplish linking ~/public_html to /www/~username. Since I don't believe this follows the accepted FHS specs, I doubt Mandrake would make it a part of their default configuration. FHS compliance is a good thing to maintain.
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
Le Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:15:52 -0400 Digital Wokan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: The fifth wish is an easy workaround. On my system at home, I created a /www directory and create users in there as necessary, configuring Apache to look their for user webspaces. You can probably add something to /etc/skel that will accomplish linking ~/public_html to /www/~username. Since I don't believe this follows the accepted FHS specs, I doubt Mandrake would make it a part of their default configuration. FHS compliance is a good thing to maintain. Yes, yes, but I don't need solution like I said in my first PS. It's just some proposition for the next release. I have seen this problem in my university too... there is a public_html in each account and so all the accounts are readable by default... And poeple who doesn't know linux offer all their data to the others... the other problem is with site in PHP. What about MySQL password ? They are readable. Sébastien. -- BOUTELIER Sébastien ICQ: 14554603 http://www.priap.com
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Ciger wanted us to know: | Never call a ntp server with cron! This is the best way to overload a ntp | server if several people do that. I think that the original idea was not to have non-stop synchronized clock (aka ntpd) but just the possibility to e.g. once a day synchronize clock with some external server. For desktop machines, this is usually Change your thinking to a large scale sysadmin. Set up an NTP service on one of your boxen and then configure all of your clients to sync in whatever way you want to your local master. To avoid the server overload (100+ machines syncing their clock at the same time), the script could be smart and randomize the time when it No need. Again, set up your own NTP server, make all the local machines sync to that one local master. - -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | Security is like an onion. It's made | | http://www.mrball.net | up of several layers and makes you cry. | | http://faq.mrball.net | --Howard Chu| Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mdk load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/maTOIBT1264ScBURAu9/AKCf1FuCA7g6/KoJnwhZxQOVbuwyCwCg6cU6 2KePtUB84rTdqxx+ogoZXuM= =smJ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
| Never call a ntp server with cron! This is the best way to overload a ntp | server if several people do that. I think that the original idea was not to have non-stop synchronized clock (aka ntpd) but just the possibility to e.g. once a day synchronize clock with some external server. For desktop machines, this is usually Change your thinking to a large scale sysadmin. Set up an NTP service on one of your boxen and then configure all of your clients to sync in whatever way you want to your local master. To avoid the server overload (100+ machines syncing their clock at the same time), the script could be smart and randomize the time when it No need. Again, set up your own NTP server, make all the local machines sync to that one local master. Of course, some solution for them to find the NTP server automatically (DHCP/DNS) would be nice (like _ldap._tcp kerberos-style SRV records do for nss_ldap/pam_ldap etc). Regards, Buchan
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Todd Lyons wrote: | Jan Ciger wanted us to know: | Change your thinking to a large scale sysadmin. Set up an NTP service | on one of your boxen and then configure all of your clients to sync in | whatever way you want to your local master. | This is not what I meant. Of course, if you have many machines, that is a better solution (e.g. here our routers broadcast the time, so we sync to them), but what I had more in mind is the home user, which has 1-2 computers. Setting up NTP server there is : a) overkill b) quite tricky if you do not know what you are doing Running ntpdate from time to time to keep the system clock from running completely out of whack is enough in such situation. Adding this to Drakconf would be a big help. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mbATn11XseNj94gRAoPdAJ0eXsZlRLzxFCFVp5xpRoTFflZXAwCeOgRs UXoj0YdXtooKlyEL9cT9elI= =w+O8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
Le Samedi 25 Octobre 2003 01:04, Jan Ciger a écrit : Running ntpdate from time to time to keep the system clock from running completely out of whack is enough in such situation. Adding this to Drakconf would be a big help. No! Even for a single computer ntpd is the _*best*_ solution. It is very light, generate a very low traffic, gives always and accurate time and is able to do this with a laptop or a PC on line now and then. Ntpdate is useful only when you buy your PC or when you change the battery which is on the motherboard. Please, read carefully http://ntp.org or file:/usr/share/doc/ntp-4.1.1/index.htm -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pierre Jarillon wrote: | No! Even for a single computer ntpd is the _*best*_ solution. Not every time. Especially if you are on dial-up or another intermittent link, where it does not make much sense to run ntpd non-stop, unless you have some external time source, e.g. a GPS receiver or a radio clock. There is something called burst mode in ntpd 4.x and up, which solves this problem, but again it would have to be either a cronjob or something run from the ifup scripts (ntpd -q + iburst set). | Ntpdate is useful only when you buy your PC or when you change the battery | which is on the motherboard. Actually ntpdate is being retired according to ntp.org (didn't know that either). The idea for ntpdate is to set the initial time, when the clock is way off and it would take ages for ntpd to synchronize it by slowing down or speeding it up. And that is not only in case of a new machine - I am not talking about servers with long uptimes here - many people turn their machines off when they are done for the day. | Please, read carefully http://ntp.org or | file:/usr/share/doc/ntp-4.1.1/index.htm Did so, there is nothing saying that running ntpd non-stop is the best thing after sliced bread. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mdOEn11XseNj94gRAqidAJwPhwYVNjhLbVqwHOQaaIzBoL6TywCg2hAR OsBpdTH6++4lOAPGLmbW50M= =3vxm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
