Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
GG> From: Garrett Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GG> GG> I'd like to see more configuration options in between. I remember when GG> Linux, X, Networking, and Dev tools could all be fit on a 65MB HD with a GG> little room left over. I used to laugh at Win95 taking up 65 MB of drive GG> capacity... Now your average linux distribution will try to take 800+MB. GG> The comparison is unfair. Well, sure, but imagine if Win98 included Photoshop and MS Office and MS Visual Studio, and *also* WordPerfect Office and other competing programs. That said, I agree that more gradations could be useful, but we have to be careful not to offer so many choices that the new user gives up in frustration, or chooses the wrong one for his needs. However, I'm not sure I like the idea of separate choices for KDE vs GNOME... I use GNOME for my desktop environment, but kppp for dialup, and when KOffice is officially released, I may use some of its apps as well. --- Aaron Peromsik | For thinner oatmeal, add more water. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For thicker oatmeal, add less water. ---
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
I'd be interested in a minimal distribution. -And building better gradations in between. I'm burning my first Cooker CD as I write, so I haven't yet tried Panoramix. But it still seems that what is being offered is either: - Take everything (800+MB) Workstation, Server, etc - Weed through 500+ packages, and then struggle with overlooked package dependencies I'd like to see more configuration options in between. I remember when Linux, X, Networking, and Dev tools could all be fit on a 65MB HD with a little room left over. I used to laugh at Win95 taking up 65 MB of drive capacity... Now your average linux distribution will try to take 800+MB. Base Install: Just enough to call it an OS. tomsrtbt does that well (http://www.toms.net/rb/) || \/ Min/Cust/Max Configurations by Functionality Groupings: GUI desktop environment, Office Suite, Productivity, Network apps, Network services, Development, Document Processing, and Help Documentation. -I don't need 8 shells, 16 editors, and documentation in 12 formats and 32 languages. || \/ General Purpose Configurations: Server (maximum Network services, minimum everything else), Workstations, etc. -Composed of different min/cust/max sets of functionality from above, but easy for an installer to customize since it can be decomposed into subsets of functionality. -But where the dependencies for minimum configurations are nailed down tight, well tested, and actually work. The Linux Router Project already does most of the ISP-in-a-box. Add Apache, make it painstakingly easy to configure, and you'd be done. (http://www.linuxrouter.org/) I'm interested in trying a minimal distribution so that I can start dinking around with the Virtual Server Project (http://proxy.iinchina.net/~wensong/ippfvs/). If Mandrake were ever to make server clustering for the purposes of load-balancing services, fail-over, and administration, easy to get up and running, now that would be an Integrated cash cow. -- Garrett Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: > > - Cheap Home Computer without Windows > > - Internet Telephony appliance > > - Home entertainment center (do you have same^W near 1% set of games offering > > that nintendo/sonyPS/Win32_at_last have (ZXspectrum games under emulator not > > count(kids want real FX))) > > I was more thinking about a set-top-box with DVD, cable, plugged in your sound > system, with games for adults (blackjack, bingo, fantasy sports) , Internet access, > pay-per-view movies, etc.. (anyone ever heard of that crappy Videoway system from > videotron built on a Commodore 64 that has millions of subscribers? ;-) That seems the new Amiga MCC, Linux based, which is planned for the end of this year by Amiga Inc. on the Transmeta CPU. Bye. Giuseppe.
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
Hey, don't be quiet about it! Share the information before there's 50 different Mandrake-Router projects! ;) Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Shh, ;) A firewall router project is already in progress. Well it's in the > concept phase anyway.. > > > I definately agree. I would especially like to see the Firewall/Router > > one, getting rid of a lot of useless junk. Of course this means having to > > be careful about packages with dependancies... > > > > Ian > > > > --- > > Ian White > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > --Axalon
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
Hello Jean-Michel, Friday, Friday, August 27, 1999, you wrote: JMD> Now, in addition to making a big package for every user, why not focus JMD> on some integrated solutions for specific customers? The Corel Netwinder JMD> is an example, as is the Wyse Linux Terminal or the Empeg, or the Helius JMD> Satellite Router. Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working JMD> on: JMD> - ISP-in-a-box JMD> - Extranet server Linux in Internet Kiosk<- 1 JMD> Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: Cheap Home Computer without Windows< 2 Internet Telephony appliance <--- 3 JMD> - Home entertainment center JMD> - Medical Applications Point-of-sale applications <--- 4 JMD> etc... JMD> Give me your toughts/suggestions/flames about this. There are point of sales running under linux and anyway, POS has as most important part its user part not the OS. Users will determine what to get on looks/quality of POS and will not be interested in OS. They expect the seller of the system to service that... Internet kiosk/cybercafee: I can use that for some of our systems. Same with cheap home computer setups, ie some ofice/email stuff/graphics, SOUND AND MPEG playing. Note: setup has to be simple/idiot proof. They arent going to run a network, firewall and all the stuff We have had enquiries for telephone exchanges... Note: Most oems can adjust the hardware a bit to make it work better. In our case I wouldnt mind swapping to a different sound card or video card if that means we can use it under linux. Under Kiosk/cybercafe usage security is very important as the majority of service calls is from places where a visitor messed the system up. And especially no access to changing dialup, mail settings. They should send mail via the server in the linux box and maybe get mail via specifying their email address and mailserver in some connection box after which the programs gets the mail optionally leaving that stuff on their server. ref special preselected options is nice but it isnt going to expand the number of users and from seeing the list thats what I think the intention is. what about adding some upgrade options? like adding the firewall stuff I mean if there is going to be a list on first install why not make use of the same selection to also allow updates Best regards, tracer mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
> > > Actually what I think is to have alot more preselected versions (besides the > > > normal Workstation Server Custom) like : > > > Workstation: KDE > > > Workstation: Gnome > > > Workstation: No Dev > > > Server: SMB Server(who would give you printer filesharing options) > > > Server: Firewall/Router (only install needed and 'secure' packages) > > > Server: Applications > > > Server: Internet Server (apache sendmail and such) > > > etc > > Shh, ;) A firewall router project is already in progress. Well it's in the > concept phase anyway.. > Well I personally just want 1 distribution/cd-set to use... so I feel at home when I am working on my clients machines. Right now we always have to make our own distro when using it for firewalling/router purposes. I want to be able to just insert my normal distro cd and select firewall/router and bam there ya go. Michael Irving
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Ian White wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Michael Irving wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, you wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I just saw this posted on Slashdot: > > > http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JohnZedlewski/JohnZedlewski1.html > > > > > > Okay, it's Red-Hat Specific, but there are many interesting ideas. > > > Especially this, where it describes what I'm up to: > > > "Last, but not least, what will you be selling two years from now? The > > > answer, I think is clear: integrated solutions (buzzword buzzword). Your > > > new Red Hat e-commerce server is a nice start in this direction, but it > > > still falls into the Linux trap: assuming the customer can do it for > > > him/herself." > > > > > > Now, in addition to making a big package for every user, why not focus > > > on some integrated solutions for specific customers? The Corel Netwinder > > > is an example, as is the Wyse Linux Terminal or the Empeg, or the Helius > > > Satellite Router. Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working > > > on: > > > - ISP-in-a-box > > > - Extranet server > > > - Linux in Internet Kiosk > > > > > > Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: > > > - Cheap Home Computer without Windows > > > - Internet Telephony appliance > > > - Home entertainment center > > > - Medical Applications > > > - Point-of-sale applications > > > etc... > > > > > > Give me your toughts/suggestions/flames about this. > > > > > > > Actually what I think is to have alot more preselected versions (besides the > > normal Workstation Server Custom) like : > > Workstation: KDE > > Workstation: Gnome > > Workstation: No Dev > > Server: SMB Server(who would give you printer filesharing options) > > Server: Firewall/Router (only install needed and 'secure' packages) > > Server: Applications > > Server: Internet Server (apache sendmail and such) > > etc Shh, ;) A firewall router project is already in progress. Well it's in the concept phase anyway.. > I definately agree. I would especially like to see the Firewall/Router > one, getting rid of a lot of useless junk. Of course this means having to > be careful about packages with dependancies... > > Ian > > --- > Ian White > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
Hello, Thanks for your comments! I thought maybe I could develop more on my thoughts: > Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working > on: > - ISP-in-a-box (BSDI marketplace. (not as competitor, but pointer to learn/take > place)) I didn't know about BSDI, I will check it out. What I would like is an integrated, rack-mount box with Apache, Sendmail, Radius server, with modems, 2 ethernet cards and one T-1 port. Take it out of the box, and become an ISP overnight. > - Extranet server (_server_ deals - far differ from yours current development > directions. Caldera not lazy - the market want to see them that way) I know it's different from what Mandrake currently is. But there is a need for it, and Caldera does not cover the needs of my customers (I am an ISP). And Mandrake was selected Product of the year in the Server category, while Caldera was first in the Client category. Look at all the PR Linux had these days, it's for the server room. Compaq, VA, PenguinComputing, SGI, Oracle... > - Linux in Internet Kiosk (*1) Internet access in airports, bars, cafes, shopping malls, with a _stable_ platform. With mod_roaming, or /home mounted as NFS, customers could keep their bookmarks, files, etc.. > Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: > - Cheap Home Computer without Windows > - Internet Telephony appliance > - Home entertainment center (do you have same^W near 1% set of games offering > that nintendo/sonyPS/Win32_at_last have (ZXspectrum games under emulator not > count(kids want real FX))) I was more thinking about a set-top-box with DVD, cable, plugged in your sound system, with games for adults (blackjack, bingo, fantasy sports) , Internet access, pay-per-view movies, etc.. (anyone ever heard of that crappy Videoway system from videotron built on a Commodore 64 that has millions of subscribers? ;-) > - Point-of-sale applications (*2) > etc... > > ~~ > *1 - technically is same as *2 Maybe the term is not a good one. Put a Linux box in a restaurant with a touch-screen, use it as your cash register/accounting system/inventory system and implement EDI/JiT/ERP with your suppliers. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Michael Irving wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, you wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I just saw this posted on Slashdot: > > http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JohnZedlewski/JohnZedlewski1.html > > > > Okay, it's Red-Hat Specific, but there are many interesting ideas. > > Especially this, where it describes what I'm up to: > > "Last, but not least, what will you be selling two years from now? The > > answer, I think is clear: integrated solutions (buzzword buzzword). Your > > new Red Hat e-commerce server is a nice start in this direction, but it > > still falls into the Linux trap: assuming the customer can do it for > > him/herself." > > > > Now, in addition to making a big package for every user, why not focus > > on some integrated solutions for specific customers? The Corel Netwinder > > is an example, as is the Wyse Linux Terminal or the Empeg, or the Helius > > Satellite Router. Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working > > on: > > - ISP-in-a-box > > - Extranet server > > - Linux in Internet Kiosk > > > > Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: > > - Cheap Home Computer without Windows > > - Internet Telephony appliance > > - Home entertainment center > > - Medical Applications > > - Point-of-sale applications > > etc... > > > > Give me your toughts/suggestions/flames about this. > > > > Actually what I think is to have alot more preselected versions (besides the > normal Workstation Server Custom) like : > Workstation: KDE > Workstation: Gnome > Workstation: No Dev > Server: SMB Server(who would give you printer filesharing options) > Server: Firewall/Router (only install needed and 'secure' packages) > Server: Applications > Server: Internet Server (apache sendmail and such) > etc I definately agree. I would especially like to see the Firewall/Router one, getting rid of a lot of useless junk. Of course this means having to be careful about packages with dependancies... Ian --- Ian White email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
Hello, I just saw this posted on Slashdot: [...] Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working on: - ISP-in-a-box (BSDI marketplace. (not as competitor, but pointer to learn/take place)) - Extranet server (_server_ deals - far differ from yours current development directions. Caldera not lazy - the market want to see them that way) - Linux in Internet Kiosk (*1) Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: - Cheap Home Computer without Windows - Internet Telephony appliance - Home entertainment center (do you have same^W near 1% set of games offering that nintendo/sonyPS/Win32_at_last have (ZXspectrum games under emulator not count(kids want real FX))) - Medical Applications - Point-of-sale applications (*2) etc... ~~ *1 - technically is same as *2
Re: [Cooker] Specific, Integrated Linux solutions. Comments please!
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, you wrote: > Hello, > > I just saw this posted on Slashdot: > http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JohnZedlewski/JohnZedlewski1.html > > Okay, it's Red-Hat Specific, but there are many interesting ideas. > Especially this, where it describes what I'm up to: > "Last, but not least, what will you be selling two years from now? The > answer, I think is clear: integrated solutions (buzzword buzzword). Your > new Red Hat e-commerce server is a nice start in this direction, but it > still falls into the Linux trap: assuming the customer can do it for > him/herself." > > Now, in addition to making a big package for every user, why not focus > on some integrated solutions for specific customers? The Corel Netwinder > is an example, as is the Wyse Linux Terminal or the Empeg, or the Helius > Satellite Router. Here are some of the solutions I'm currently working > on: > - ISP-in-a-box > - Extranet server > - Linux in Internet Kiosk > > Maybe we can package Linux in other ways: > - Cheap Home Computer without Windows > - Internet Telephony appliance > - Home entertainment center > - Medical Applications > - Point-of-sale applications > etc... > > Give me your toughts/suggestions/flames about this. > Actually what I think is to have alot more preselected versions (besides the normal Workstation Server Custom) like : Workstation: KDE Workstation: Gnome Workstation: No Dev Server: SMB Server(who would give you printer filesharing options) Server: Firewall/Router (only install needed and 'secure' packages) Server: Applications Server: Internet Server (apache sendmail and such) etc This would help the installation alot.. Especially the Firewall/Router as FAR too many install way too many packages that definetly leave volunerabilities. Michael Irving
