[css-d] Is this IE 3-pixel bug?

2005-10-21 Thread Bill Stemp
On my home page (www.leschambres.co.za/) towards the bottom of the page there 
is a section titled Franschhoek, Franschoek or Franshoek? with a green 
background. This is the #spellings div.

In IE, look at the left of this div and you will see what appears to be a 3px 
gap. I've got a cc that tries to address this, but it's still there.

!--[if lte IE 6]
style type=text/css
#spellings {margin-left: -3px;} 
/style
![endif]--

Adjusting this negative margin simply pulls the div away from the right side, 
without closing the gap. Removing the cc results in (what seems like) a 6px gap.

Anyone help?

Thanks,

Bill
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[css-d] CSS Navigation Bar recomendations?

2005-10-21 Thread Jim

Hello all,

I am looking to create a navigation bar for the header of my  
vBulletin driven website.


Rather then using tables, I thinking of doing it with CSS. I already  
have the title and subtitle placed with CSS, but I am out of my depth  
with horizontal nav bars.


Horizontal leyout, hover effects and drop down menus are preferred,  
but not necessary. Graphics are ok.


Any tutorial websites or recommendations?

Thanks!

Jim



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Re: [css-d] Is this IE 3-pixel bug?

2005-10-21 Thread Ingo Chao

Bill Stemp wrote:

www.leschambres.co.za/


Yes, its the 3px bug, but it does affect more than just the #spellings 
content.


The 3px bug is a hardwired IE property of floats, affecting the 
content of adjacent elements. As there is no way to stop it from doing 
so, the fix is to make room between the float and the affected element 
[1].


So you have a /right/ float #container, therefore, you'll have to make 
room on its /left/ side.


Actually, you are fixing it on the wrong side (to prevent the sidebar 
from dropping down below the float), I've commented it out here:


!--[if lte IE 6]
style type=text/css

/* wrong side
#container {margin-right: -3px;}
#sidebar {margin-right: 0;} 
#spellings {margin-left: -3px;} 
*/

/* fix */
#container {margin-left: -3px;}

/style
![endif]--


Ingo

[1] http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/62893

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Re: [css-d] CSS Navigation Bar recomendations?

2005-10-21 Thread David Dorward
On 18/10/05, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am out of my depth with horizontal nav bars.

http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/

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Re: [css-d] Round Corner Tabs...

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
 I want to create horizontal navigation tabs that have round-corners
 using only CSS.
 Is there a way I can do this with CSS only?
 Yes, I know you can do this with an image, my preference is CSS
 Thanks,

There is nifty corners, but that involves JavaScript and a lot of
extraneous markup:

http://pro.html.it/esempio/nifty/
http://pro.html.it/articoli/id_599/idcat_31/pag_1/pag.html

And lots more on the WIKI:

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners


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Re: [css-d] Round Corner Tabs...

2005-10-21 Thread David Dorward
On 21/10/05, Spencer Ivery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want to create horizontal navigation tabs that have round-corners
 using only CSS.

 Is there a way I can do this with CSS only?

pedantNothing can be done with CSS only, you need at least some
markup to hand it from/pedant

CSS 3 drafts include a border-radius property. Some browsers have
experimental implementations of it (such as -moz-border-radius).

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RE: [css-d] Display of image causes the following div's top margin to disappear in Firefox

2005-10-21 Thread Michael Heath
Charles,

It's the float left tag in your #header tag.
I believe this causes the following tag to ignore this tags placement. Sorry
I don't have more professional reasons as to why it doesn't work correctly
with that tag, but getting rid of it repairs the problem.

Thanks,

Michael

-Original Message-
From: Charles Dort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:24 PM
To: 'Michael Heath'
Subject: RE: [css-d] Display of image causes the following div's top margin
to disappear in Firefox

Michael wrote, in part,

 The tag causing this issue is the #main tag with 
 100px margin... setting it to 0 or a low number
 will fix your problem.

I'm sorry that I didn't present the problem clearly.  I _WANT_ a non-zero
top margin on #main.  I only exaggerated it as large as 100px to make
clear whether it was there at all or not.  My problem is that in Firefox, at
least, that top margin disappears if I have an image in the div above it.

My question is:

How can I _HAVE_ a top margin in that #main in Firefox?

Without image:  http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/test/without.htmlWith
image:  http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/test/with.html
CSS:  http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/test/assets/temp.css

Thanks!

Charles



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[css-d] workarounds and ideas for avoiding fixed-width design?

2005-10-21 Thread Jay Loden
Hi all, 

On my personal site - http://jayloden.com - I've got an image banner across 
the top. My problem is pretty simple; I want to avoid having a fixed width 
design (i.e. setting the page max-width to the width of the banner image), 
but still keep an attractive layout. 

At the moment, what I'm doing is simply centering the banner image, so that if 
you have a browser window wider than a fullscreen 1024x768, it just expands 
to the full width with the banner image centered across the top. On the plus 
side, I avoid annoying people like myself that run on high resolution 
displays, but I really don't like the way it looks (solid background colors 
on either side of the image).

The image I'm using isn't particulary easy to repeat or stretch, either. I was 
hoping someone on the list would have some insight into how I can make my 
site banner more attractive on a large display (it's fine on anything 1024 
and below) without having to resort to a fixed width. I'm open to all sorts 
of suggestions, so suggest away!

Thanks in advance for all thoughts/opinions/suggestions :)

-Jay
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[css-d] aligning select box and submit gif

2005-10-21 Thread Geoff Dougherty
Hi. I have a select box set up with a 20px image as
the submit button. I've tried several approaches to
get the select box and the button to line up so that
they're more or less vertically centered (the gif is
taller than the select box. I'd like the select box to
appear left of the gif, equidistant from the top and
bottom of the gif. None (adjusting margins, padding,
placement on each element, placing them in a container
div, etc) seem to work.  

Anyone have ideas? 

The offending button can be seen at
www.thedebauchers.com/align.php

I'm using this code: 
div style=position:absolute;
top:300px;left:300px;height:100px;width:200px;

img src=test.gif height=67px align=left 
Select your zip code

form method=post action=whatever.php
select name=zip
option 60701/option
option 60706/option
/select
input type=image src=arrow.gif  /

/form
/div 








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Re: [css-d] Round Corner Tabs...

2005-10-21 Thread Eric A. Meyer

At 8:52 AM -0700 10/21/05, Derek de Jong wrote:

Why is Mozilla using a proprietary moz- CSS property? Wouldn't it be 
easier, for them, to just begin supporting CSS3 properties? Is it 
because they don't properly implement the CSS3 border-radius?


   I don't want to delve too deeply into theoretical matters, but the 
answer is that vendor prefixes are the best way to do test 
implementations of properties in Working Drafts.  That way, if the 
behavior changes before the WD goes to full recommendation status, 
it's easy to change along with it and not appear to break a 
non-proprietary property.
   This has already happened: 'opacity' changed the values it could 
accept from one WD to another.  Thus, '-moz-opacity' was changed 
along with it.  When 'opacity' becomes part of a full Recommendation, 
then Gecko can have full 'opacity' support right out of the gate. 
Until then, sticking with the vendor-prefixed version keeps authors 
on notice that it's a potentially changeable thing, and prevents any 
but we have customers! blockage.

   It's all as agreed by the CSS Working Group, actually.

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[css-d] How to set background transparency?

2005-10-21 Thread Rick Faircloth

Hi, all...

Is there a way to control the transparency of the background
color of a DIV?  background:transparency 50% ???

Thanks,

Rick

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Re: [css-d] quirks mode question

2005-10-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
Working on an internal project that runs on an old Epicentric portal 
installation. The pages have no DTD (and I cannot get one inserted - 
long story), so in IE6 the pages load in quirks mode.


No DTD means it's quirks mode in _every_ browser on earth.


I've got a vertical UL styled using the tantek hack,...


The voice-family hack is extremely unreliable, and should not be used.
---

If compensation between quirks modes in IE/win and Netscape(fall back
for Mozzy), then a '* html' hack will do the trick, like so:

#svmp_vert ul a {/*other rules*/; width: 156px;}
* html #svmp_vert ul a {width: 140px;}

Write complete styles to begin with, and compensate for IE/win (and also
IE/Mac I'm afraid).

This will work as long as there _is_ a 'quirks mode' in IE/win (forever,
I guess), regardless of version. The '* html' hack will not work in IE7+
'standard compliant' mode.

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[css-d] Bullets disappear on inline lists in IE

2005-10-21 Thread Carl Youngblood
I have a problem.  I am trying to create CSS for my resume that is
completely self-contained and doesn't rely on any external URLs or
attached files so that I can email my resume to somebody and know that
it can be viewed offline without any problems.  Here is what I have:

http://youngbloods.org/resume.html

The contact info that appears right below my name is separated by
bullets on Firefox, but in IE the bullets aren't there.  Everything I
have found by searching on this bug says that you need to substitute
the bullets for images and then it will work.  But I'd like my page
not to rely on any external images.  Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Carl Youngblood
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Re: [css-d] quirks mode question

2005-10-21 Thread Tom Dell'Aringa
--- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The voice-family hack is extremely unreliable, and should not be used.


Agh... it's been so long since I used a box model hack, I didn't realize that. 
I usually try and
avoid box model issues altogether but I can't seem to avoid it on this menu.


 If compensation between quirks modes in IE/win and Netscape(fall back
 for Mozzy), then a '* html' hack will do the trick, like so:
 
 #svmp_vert ul a {/*other rules*/; width: 156px;}
 * html #svmp_vert ul a {width: 140px;}

 Write complete styles to begin with, and compensate for IE/win (and also
 IE/Mac I'm afraid).


No need to support IE/Mac. Anyway, makes sense, so I did this:

#svmp_vert ul a {
font-size: 12px;
display: block;
padding: 2px 8px 2px 8px;
background-color: #2175bc;
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
width: 156px;}

* html #svmp_vert ul a {width: 140px;}

(I did this for each of the 4 levels)

Testing is showing this is working just fine in IE6, but nothing else. Broken 
in FF, NS7 and IE5
and 5.5... Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way? Here is the page again:

http://www.pixelmech.com/rev/menu.html (css is inline)
http://www.pixelmech.com/rev/menu.css  (css separated out for your convenience)

Have I made a mistake implementing the hack, or am I simply going about things 
the wrong way? I've
never had so much trouble with a nav list, although this one is nested 4 
deep..still...

Thanks!



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Re: [css-d] 3 Col Liquid Equal Heights that works?

2005-10-21 Thread Eatme

have a look at  http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/index.html


actually, i was looking at the wrong one. sorry.
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Re: [css-d] quirks mode question

2005-10-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

http://www.pixelmech.com/rev/menu.html (css is inline)



Have I made a mistake implementing the hack, or am I simply going
about things the wrong way? I've never had so much trouble with a nav
list, although this one is nested 4 deep..still...


Now I'm really confused :-)

You wrote in the original that there was no DTD, but then you're using
an 'xhtml 1.0 transitional' in the test-page. You can't have it both
ways, so before I start debugging; which is it, *DTD* or *no DTD* ?

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[css-d] Hummmmm.....

2005-10-21 Thread Trevor Boult

Hi All,

I was wondering what the group thought of this...

http://www.cityphotographics.co.uk/

compared to http://www.tboult.co.uk

Should I be happy that someone thinks what I've done is good enough for them to 
copy or is this blatant plagerism?


TIA

Trevor
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Re: [css-d] Hummmmm.....

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
 I was wondering what the group thought of this...
 http://www.cityphotographics.co.uk/
 compared to http://www.tboult.co.uk
 Should I be happy that someone thinks what I've done is good enough for them 
 to copy or is this blatant plagerism?

Plagiatism, a form of flattery. It seems though that that is a sold
piece of work, so email the owner of the domain to cease and desist.

And please, next time use a subject that does tell what your email is about...


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[css-d] issue with safari/ border

2005-10-21 Thread Andrea Burton

i am building this page:
http://chathamforest.blast.com/

the page validates for html and css

I have it looking right on all browsers except safari. on safari the 
right side border of the whole content is an id called border on a td 
tag. it is one pixel off to the right.


on the footer the pixel is off by one pixel too. this is controlled by 
an id called footercontent.


are there any hacks having to do with padding/border compensation i 
need to be using for safari?

any idea how to fix this problem?

thanks for any assistance.

a.burton

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Re: [css-d] Hummmmm.....

2005-10-21 Thread Chris Akers
 http://www.cityphotographics.co.uk/
 compared to http://www.tboult.co.uk
 Should I be happy that someone thinks what I've done is good
 enough for them to copy or is this blatant plagerism?

Ha ha! Blatant plagerism! View the source:
!-- This document saved from http://www.tboult.co.uk/ --
Too funny...
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Re: [css-d] Website Copying was (Hummmmmm :0))

2005-10-21 Thread Trevor Boult


I was thinking of asking him for a days work £250, and suggest I could complete 
his navigation.

Trevor
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Re: [css-d] workarounds and ideas for avoiding fixed-width design?

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/21/05, Jay Loden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 On my personal site - http://jayloden.com - I've got an image banner across
 the top. My problem is pretty simple; I want to avoid having a fixed width
 design (i.e. setting the page max-width to the width of the banner image),
 but still keep an attractive layout.


Actually, the best thing you can do really is to set the page
max-width, if you want to keep that graphic. I don't see why you would
want your page to stretch to 1600 or 2200 or bigger... sounds like it
would be too wide. I max-width all my layouts because I know people
with really wide screens tend to complain.

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Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
Maybe you just didn't use the right search queries?

http://liquid.rdpdesign.com

There's a resources section too, which might be helpful for you.


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Re: [css-d] Website Copying was (Hummmmmm :0))

2005-10-21 Thread Trevor Boult
I had noticed the source code stuff but wanted to know how much does someone have to change a site before its become their 
property?, hence me asking the comparison.


He was kind enough to leave a phone number, I shall call him tomorrow and refer him to my terms page and solicitor if he doesn't 
play ball.


BTW are the messages on this group admissible in court?


Trevor 
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Re: [css-d] workarounds and ideas for avoiding fixed-width design?

2005-10-21 Thread Ingo Chao

Jay Loden wrote:

http://jayloden.com

At the moment, what I'm doing is simply centering the banner image, so that if 
you have a browser window wider than a fullscreen 1024x768, it just expands 
to the full width with the banner image centered across the top. On the plus 
side, I avoid annoying people like myself that run on high resolution 
displays, but I really don't like the way it looks (solid background colors 
on either side of the image).


The image I'm using isn't particulary easy to repeat or stretch, either. I was 
hoping someone on the list would have some insight into how I can make my 
site banner more attractive on a large display (it's fine on anything 1024 
and below) without having to resort to a fixed width. I'm open to all sorts 
of suggestions, so suggest away!


All sorts of suggestions? ;)

If one image is not wide enough, so why restrict to just one image?

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/layout/widebanner.html

Ingo


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[css-d] Rollover list border disappears

2005-10-21 Thread Mark Batty
I'm back again with another query.

I have some vertical roller lists with a 1px bottom border.  I'm currently
running in 1024x768 mode (XP), when I zoom out in Opera (usually around 80%)
SOME of the borders on my rollover lists disappear.  I've also seen the
problem in Firefox with my code in the past (but can't reproduce it at the
moment), it seems OK in IE - for a change ;)

Interestingly, the same thing happens with some examples at maxdesign.  Is
this a bug (in my code and maxdesign?) or just expected behaviour when
zooming out too far?

I can 'kind of' get around it by giving a 1px top AND bottom border to each
li, but then at normal resolution I have a 2px border which I don't want.

maxdesign, eg 1: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical08.htm
maxdesign, eg 2: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical18.htm
my html:
http://public.softectra.com/dev/lang/markup/css/cssd/211005_1/index.html
my css:
http://public.softectra.com/dev/lang/markup/css/cssd/211005_1/css/modern.css

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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Re: [css-d] Website Copying was (Hummmmmm :0))

2005-10-21 Thread Trevor Boult
I wanted to know how much people copy other people CSS code. Is it a un-written rule that you can copy other peoples css code and 
adapt as you own?


He me asking other CSS developers what they thought. It had crossed my mind the guy was a member of this list and would come back at 
me saying I'm being petty.


Cheers

Trevor

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To: Trevor Boult [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Website Copying was (Humm :0))



How is any of this related to CSS?


On 10/21/05 3:05 PM, Trevor Boult [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I had noticed the source code stuff but wanted to know how much does someone
have to change a site before its become their
property?, hence me asking the comparison.

He was kind enough to leave a phone number, I shall call him tomorrow and
refer him to my terms page and solicitor if he doesn't
play ball.

BTW are the messages on this group admissible in court?


Trevor
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Re: [css-d] Website Copying was (Hummmmmm :0))

2005-10-21 Thread Adam Kuehn

Trevor Boult wrote:
I had noticed the source code stuff but wanted to know how much does 
someone have to change a site before its become their property?, 
hence me asking the comparison.


OK, time to put the moderator hat on.  As fascinating as this topic 
may be, it is not germane to a CSS mailing list.  Please send your 
responses to Trevor off-list, and feel free to continue your 
discussions there.  There should be no more posts on this topic 
hitting the list.


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RE: [css-d] quirks mode question

2005-10-21 Thread Charles Dort
Georg wrote, in part,

 The voice-family hack is extremely unreliable,
 and should not be used.

I'm a CSS beginner, slowly working through Dan Cedarholm's _Bulletproof Web
Design_ and applying principles to my site, and he recommended this hack in
the design of sites he argues are bulletproof, not in the sense of
perfect safety, but largely so.

This is a brand-new book, and I'm surprised to read that this particular
advice, anyway, is extremely unreliable, and should not be used.  I've
been hoping that if I try to follow the recommendations in this book I won't
have too many problems.

May I ask for more details on what might happen if I use this in my site,
how likely or frequently that might happen, and what I should consider as a
better alternative?

Thanks!

Charles


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Re: [css-d] Site Check

2005-10-21 Thread Patrick Mannix

 http://test.upc-orlando.com  3 column (home page)
 http://test.upc-orlando.com/ministries/children   2 column
 http://test.upc-orlando.com/gallery/gallery02.html 1 column


I'm not a pro so be kind ;)


No pro here either. I also just work pro-bono for non-profits. But I've 
received much help from this list  will try to give back a little.



This looks ok in win ie6 and firefox 1.7, but I'm sure it stinks in ie5 
5.5 and who knows about Mac.


Actually there is more work to do within the browsers you have 
available. I see you are targeting 800px window/viewport width. To avoid 
horizontal scroll bars on 800px viewports you need to set overall width 
to less. Many use 770px. I believe 748 is safe for most common browsers.


Then play with font sizing. You fall victim to an IE misbehavior where 
extreme font changes result because you used 1em as the body default. 
Not that 1em isn't good -- these tired old eyes wish more folks start 
with that. Use percentage instead (only here, em's work fine after 
that). I use 100.01% and can't remember the exact reason for the 
fraction. I believe to work around an earlier Opera problem ...



I can't figure out if and when and how to use what hack.


You're doing the right thing to avoid hacks. Use them only when you have 
to. You asked us to be kind, so I'll only kindly offer that I was 
disappointed to see all the table tags. smile


- Pat -
http://xps.org/  and http://mhcug.org/

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[css-d] Can I make my link attributes differ by table?

2005-10-21 Thread James Crispino
I'm very new to CSS, and have been toying with the look and feel of my 
poker forum. One problem I have run into is when users post articles 
with links within the article, the link color is too light for the white 
background of the article text.


I was wondering if I could set the link attributes separately for links 
contained within a specific table. I tried a few things, but with my 
limited knowledge, all I did was make a mess. For the moment, I am just 
using a background on my links but it looks terrible in the context of 
the articles.


I tried doing a google on this, but came up empty.

Thanks,

Jim


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[css-d] Horizontal navigation problem - forefox.

2005-10-21 Thread Alison Lee
Hi,

 

I'm having problems with another horizonal navigation which I'm hoping
someone can help me with. http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.html
(http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.css) looks exactly how I want it to in
IE but looks completely different in Firefox.  Does anyone have any ideas
how I can fix it so it looks the same in both?  It seems that Firefox is not
recognising the widths and heights of li's or a's and I've tried using
padding but to no avail.

 

Any suggestions would be very greatfully received.

 

Thanks, 

Ali :o)

 

...

Alison Lee

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http://www.aycee.co.uk

 

 

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Re: [css-d] Can I make my link attributes differ by table?

2005-10-21 Thread Adam Kuehn

James Crispino wrote:

I was wondering if I could set the link attributes separately for 
links contained within a specific table.


Certainly.  Give your specific table an ID attribute, and then just use:

#tableID a:link {color: myColor;}
#tableID a:visited {color: myOtherColor;}

If that doesn't work for some reason, post the URL to the forum and 
we can take a closer look to see if something is interfering.


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RE: [css-d] Site Check

2005-10-21 Thread Mark Batty
CUT
 I use 100.01% and can't remember the exact reason for the
 fraction. I believe to work around an earlier Opera problem ...

I found a brief explaination at the end of this page (Listing 16)
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=FAF76print=true

Mark.


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RE: [css-d] Horizontal navigation problem - forefox.

2005-10-21 Thread Alison Lee
That's brilliant - thanks!

Ali :o)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Clason
Sent: 21 October 2005 23:53
To: CSS List
Subject: Re: [css-d] Horizontal navigation problem - forefox.

On 10/21/2005 3:18 PM Alison Lee wrote:

 I'm having problems with another horizonal navigation which I'm hoping
 someone can help me with. http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.html
 (http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.css) looks exactly how I want it to in
 IE but looks completely different in Firefox.  Does anyone have any ideas
 how I can fix it so it looks the same in both?  It seems that Firefox is
not
 recognising the widths and heights of li's or a's and I've tried using
 padding but to no avail.

Gecko doesn't like width on in-line elements apparently (too lazy to 
look at the spec), so taking a different route I tried this which seemed 
to work:

#navigation li { width: 150px; float:left; text-align: center; 
text-transform: lowercase; }/*float: left is new*/

#navigation li a { width: 100%; height: 40px; line-height: 40px; color: 
#fff; border: 0; display:block } /*display:block is new*/

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(303)818-8590

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[css-d] Re: Bullets disappear on inline lists in IE

2005-10-21 Thread Carl Youngblood
If nobody has a solution for this, does anyone know if there's a way I
can get only IE to use a character or symbol for a bullet instead of
the default types?  Or is there a way I can make text appear before my
list items but only in IE?

Thanks,

Carl

On 10/21/05, Carl Youngblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a problem.  I am trying to create CSS for my resume that is
 completely self-contained and doesn't rely on any external URLs or
 attached files so that I can email my resume to somebody and know that
 it can be viewed offline without any problems.  Here is what I have:

 http://youngbloods.org/resume.html

 The contact info that appears right below my name is separated by
 bullets on Firefox, but in IE the bullets aren't there.  Everything I
 have found by searching on this bug says that you need to substitute
 the bullets for images and then it will work.  But I'd like my page
 not to rely on any external images.  Does anyone have any ideas?
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