[css-d] Layout based in em's: different widths FF/IE

2006-06-14 Thread Bernat Lleonart
Hello,

I have this problem: I am creating a layout based in em's. I define
font-size in the body to be 62.5%, so then I can work as I was using
px. In Firefox/Win everything is correct, but in IE/Win widths are
smaller. I have isolated the problem in the following example: the box
is 100px wide in FF, but it is 99px wide in IE.

Is that a bug? How could I fix it?

Thank you


!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=ca
head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; 
charset=utf-8 /
title/title
style type=text/css
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
body {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
#box {
width: 10em;
background: gray;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=box
phello/p
/div
/body
/html

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Re: [css-d] Layout based in em's: different widths FF/IE

2006-06-14 Thread Alastair Campbell
Hi Bernat,

Bernat Lleonart wrote:
 I am creating a layout based in em's the box
 is 100px wide in FF, but it is 99px wide in IE.

Only 1px difference? I'd expect that much from using percentages to do
the page width! That could easily be rounding error.

Felix might chip in that you shouldn't apply the sizing to the main font
declaration:
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/73749

I haven't made my mind up about that yet, I've a lot of reading and
testing to do first.

Layouts based on em's are not often a good idea, unless you can set a
max-width on them (including IE if your user based includes that).
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlistcss-discuss/74715

This *might* not apply to your page/site/experiment, but with no URL to
see or motive given...

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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Re: [css-d] IE lines up correctly, nothing else does

2006-06-14 Thread Ingo Chao
David Laakso wrote:
 Liz Rainey wrote:
 http://www.ci.killeen.tx.us/Test/index.asp in IE7 looks just the way
 it's supposed to look.

#breadcrumb {
   ...
   /*float: left;*/
   ...
   }

#quickmenu-pos {
   margin: 0 20px 0 0; /*0px 20px 0px 418px;*/
   ...
   /* clear: left;*/
   ...  
   }

#logo {
   margin: 15px 0 0 50px; /*15px 450px 0px 0px;*/
   float: left; /*right;*/
   ...
   }

#header {
   margin: 15px 20px 0 0; /*15px 20px 0px 150px;*/
   float: left; /*right;*/
   /*clear: left;*/ 
   ...
   }


If we are asked to fix the rest, you should validate your page first.

A question is if LostFound is supposed to be a child of Animal Control 
and Trash Collection a child of Public Services? Or should Animal, Trash 
and Recycling build just a sort of column next to the second level?
But what is the meaning of this big gap in the third level?


Ingo


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Re: [css-d] link style interference

2006-06-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Debbie Campbell wrote:


 .content-mid-link a, a:link, a:visited {

.content-mid-link a =
Selects any a element that is a descendant of any element with a class 
attribute that contains the word content-mid-link.

a:link =
Selects any a element whose target has not been visited.

a:visited =
Selects any a element whose target has been visited.


The commas between these three selectors do not change the meaning.


/Any a element on the page/ is selected in selector 2+3.


If your intention was to select the links inside .content-mid-link only, 
then  this should be sufficient:

.content-mid-link a {property: value; ...}


Revise your selectors. For example

#navigation li a:hover, a:active { color: fuchsia}

will select /any/ active link on your page.

Probably your intention was

#navigation li a:hover, #navigation li a:active { color: fuchsia}


Ingo


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Re: [css-d] Help with IE discrepancies

2006-06-14 Thread css
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 11:36:15AM -0600, Josh Stephenson wrote:
 Familiarize yourself with the box model hack:
 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack

Thanks for this, very helpful!

This has worked for things like positioning my boxes so
they don't overlap in IE, and they still look right in Firefox.
I'm using the tiny hack where quotes are used around the 
alternative value in the stylesheet, as this seemed easiest
to understand and to do.

However, it hasn't fixed one problem; the purple navigation bar
with the images are you a... etc. and then the purple triangle
on the end. The triangle is the correct size, but the navbar is
a couple of pixels taller than it should be, which means that the
triangle doesn't line up neatly in IE. 

Can anyone suggest a fix? Or should I stop using a table there,
and position the navbar and triangle elements separately in CSS?

  The site is: http://www.wdam.co.uk/clients/dynam/hh/

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[css-d] Image not loading on first load: IE6 CSS problem? [SOLVED]

2006-06-14 Thread Arno @ Raketnet
It appeared to be a problem in the server at the client's end.

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Arno

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[css-d] Background color looks right in IE, nothing else.

2006-06-14 Thread mindy
Morning!

Okay so the site looks right in IE and I know that IE makes some guesses
as to what you want to see so...how do I make [LINK:
http://pj-chron.com/redesign/] http://pj-chron.com/redesign/ look right in
Netscape, Firefox ect. In other words, how it does in IE.

The code is compliant :
[LINK:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fpj-chron.com%2Fredesign%2Fcssfile.cssusermedium=all]
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...usermedium=all

Here is the relevant css code:#container{
width: 760px;
height: auto;
margin:0 auto;
padding:10px 10px 0 10px;
background: #ff url(images/contbg.png) no-repeat;
border: none;
color:#222;
}

Thanks for the help
~Mindy
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Re: [css-d] Layout based in em's: different widths FF/IE

2006-06-14 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/06/14 04:29 (GMT-0400) Alastair Campbell apparently typed:

 Layouts based on em's are not often a good idea, unless you can set a
 max-width on them (including IE if your user based includes that).
 http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlistcss-discuss/74715

Is there a typo in that URL? I get 404 on it. :-(
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Re: [css-d] Layout based in em's: different widths FF/IE

2006-06-14 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/06/14 04:42 (GMT-0400) Bernat Lleonart apparently typed:

 On 6/14/06, Alastair Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bernat Lleonart wrote:

  I am creating a layout based in em's the box
  is 100px wide in FF, but it is 99px wide in IE.

 Only 1px difference? I'd expect that much from using percentages to do
 the page width! That could easily be rounding error.

 I have found that, as you said, it might be a rounding error, the
 problem comes from the text-size declaration in the body. I have tried
 setting it to 100%, and then, in order to have a 100px wide box, I do
 this:

 body {
   font-size: 100%;
   }
 #box {
   font-size: 1em;
   width: 6.25em; /* 100/16 */
   background: gray;
   }

 That works correctly in both browsers.

Nick Fitzsimons explained why less than a month ago:
http://lists.css-discuss.org/mailman/private/css-d/2006-May/064598.html

No doubt Rutter was unaware of the issue when he wrote his infamous blog
article http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/ .
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[css-d] text only parser

2006-06-14 Thread ross
Is there such a thing as a text only parser where you can add tags and only 
create the text only version of the stuff inbetween the tags

http://www.its.ex.ac.uk/webmatters/betsie.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/education/betsie/parser.pl


The bbc seem to use one called betsie and would like to know if this or any 
other is available to use/buy.

Ta,


R.
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[css-d] Lost in IE

2006-06-14 Thread Falls, Travis D (HTSC, CASD)
if you go to www.sweetsunshine.com and click on the Our Products button, all 
the content is blank in IE.  It displays fine in firefox.  I really have no 
idea why it is happening.  If someone knows of a good tool for finding this 
type of thing let me know.  the page is dynamic a template and some code.   I 
am not sure if the issue is css or html; I am leaning on CSS though.

Travis D. Falls


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Re: [css-d] Lost in IE

2006-06-14 Thread Ian Young

 if you go to www.sweetsunshine.com and click on the Our Products
 button, all the content is blank in IE.

Displays fine in IE6 with me.

However, you have 24 mark-up errors. Go sort these as first pass and then
check again.

See:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetsunshine.com%2F

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Re: [css-d] Background color looks right in IE, nothing else.

2006-06-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
mindy wrote:
 http://pj-chron.com/redesign/

 Here is the relevant css code:#container{
 width: 760px;
 }

The above width keeps IE/win happy, as it acts as a 'hasLayout'[1] trigger.

Other browsers need a proper 'Block formatting contexts'[2], so adding...
#container {overflow: hidden;}
...will work in most.


Georg

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#q15
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Re: [css-d] Lost in IE

2006-06-14 Thread growl3th


 Displays fine in IE6 with me.


And in IE5 for me


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Re: [css-d] Lost in IE

2006-06-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Falls, Travis D (HTSC, CASD) wrote:
 if you go to www.sweetsunshine.com and click on the Our Products button, all 
 the content is blank in IE.  

If you mean the Our Flavors button: yes, IE6 and 7 fail to show the 
Chilis sauces from sweet to hot.

This page does not have a doctype. On a local copy, inserting a doctype 
was all to fix it. Alternatively, adding haslayout like zoom:1 to 
#mailcol and #centercol fixed it, too.

Ian already said you have lots of errors. Fixing these bugs should be 
your first step in debugging CSS.

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Re: [css-d] Problems styling an hr in FF 1.5.0.4

2006-06-14 Thread Venditelli, Daniel - Web Development Administrator
Allison,
I really wish I knew. I'm from the tables as layout school of thought
and have only fairly recently started to deal with the voodoo that is
css extensively. So I really couldn't tell you if that article is out of
date.

However, I can share this approach that I found - haven't tested it
fully yet across browsers. http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/hr.html I tweaked
their output because I didn't need/want to use a background image.

In the style sheet...
div.hr {
  height: 1px;
  background-color:#333;
}
div.hr hr {
  display: none;
}

Where this displays the thin black rule...
div class=hrhr //div

Will that provide the level of accessibility you are looking for? Of
would the none property on the hr style confuse the reader?

Actually, looking at the result, I may elect to remove the border
approach I was using and go this route instead.


Regards,
Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Allison Bloodworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:38 PM
To: Venditelli, Daniel - Web Development Administrator;
css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: RE: [css-d] Problems styling an hr in FF 1.5.0.4

Thanks very much Daniel--I was actually using borders originally but
decided
I wanted to use an hr for its semantic value. We are a public
university
and I think this could be an accessibility issue for blind users as they
wouldn't see the borders (and the div contains nothing else to tell
them
it's a section break. 

Is the article I referenced about how to accomplish this in
Mozilla-based
browsers out of date? I got the link from this thread from only a year
ago:
http://forum.stylegala.com/about1038.htmlhighlight=

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Venditelli,
Daniel
- Web Development Administrator
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:30 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Problems styling an hr in FF 1.5.0.4

 
Allison,

I had a similar issue earlier today and ended up using this instead:

#subsection {
position: static;
border-width: 1px;
border-top-style: solid;
border-color: #ccc;
margin-top: 0px; 
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-left: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;  
}

And then this where I wanted the rule:
div id=subsection/div

I'm controlling the width with a parent div but you should be able to
just add width to the above. Also I'm using the margin info for dealing
with text on the same page. You may or may not need that.

Best of luck,
Daniel

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allison
Bloodworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:23 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: [css-d] Problems styling an hr in FF 1.5.0.4

Hi, 

I am trying to style an hr and am having trouble applying a color to
it in
Firefox 1.5.0.4/PC. It looks fine in IE 6.0/PC. I'm following these
instructions: http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/hr.html

And the code is:
div class=AdminTablelessDivider id=input name=inputhr/div

.AdminTablelessDivider hr
{
color: #CC;
background-color: #CC;
height: 1px;
}

I can't show the page because it's a web app that requires log in. Any
idea
what could be wrong? I searched the archives and didn't find anything.

Thanks!
Allison Bloodworth
Principal Administrative Analyst
Technology Program Office
University of California, Berkeley
(415) 377-8243
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Re: [css-d] text only parser

2006-06-14 Thread Admin at AK
 The bbc seem to use one called betsie and would like to know if this or any 
 other is available to use/buy.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/betsie/

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[css-d] Table Question

2006-06-14 Thread Debra Kappmeyer
I am very new to CSS and have a table problem. I think the problem is that
I'm not using CSS for layout, only for the type. So, all of my basic content
appears in a table cell. The problem comes in when I try to put a table
within that cell. I can't figure out how to control the attributes of the
type in that table.

This is what I want my type to look like:
http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1956

This is what my tables look like:
http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1952

Thanks,
Deb

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Re: [css-d] Table Question

2006-06-14 Thread Dave Goodchild
On 14/06/06, Debra Kappmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am very new to CSS and have a table problem. I think the problem is that
 I'm not using CSS for layout, only for the type. So, all of my basic
 content
 appears in a table cell. The problem comes in when I try to put a table
 within that cell. I can't figure out how to control the attributes of the
 type in that table.

 This is what I want my type to look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1956

 This is what my tables look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1952

 Thanks,
 Deb

 Please, ditch that outmoded way of doing things and learn css layout!




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Re: [css-d] Table Question

2006-06-14 Thread Ian Young

 I am very new to CSS and have a table problem. I think the problem is that
 I'm not using CSS for layout, only for the type. So, all of my
 basic content
 appears in a table cell. The problem comes in when I try to put a table
 within that cell. I can't figure out how to control the attributes of the
 type in that table.

 This is what I want my type to look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1956

 This is what my tables look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1952


Quite simple, the table that holds the inservice schedule is written thus:

h3Fall 2006 – August 18–25, 2006/h3

p/p

table cellpadding=4 width=100% align=left border=1

Change border to =0

Now go look at Zoe Gillenater's article on faux columns at
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=AFC58

or the many articles on layout in the archives.

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Re: [css-d] Table Question

2006-06-14 Thread Donovan Bond
On 14-Jun-06, at 2:13 PM, Dave Goodchild wrote:

 On 14/06/06, Debra Kappmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am very new to CSS and have a table problem. I think the problem  
 is that
 I'm not using CSS for layout, only for the type. So, all of my basic
 content
 appears in a table cell. The problem comes in when I try to put a  
 table
 within that cell. I can't figure out how to control the attributes  
 of the
 type in that table.

 This is what I want my type to look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1956

 This is what my tables look like:
 http://www2.viterbo.edu/inservice.aspx?id=1952

 Thanks,
 Deb

 Please, ditch that outmoded way of doing things and learn css layout!


While I'd have worded it a little differently, I agree with Dave. :)
That layout shouldn't be terribly difficult to achieve using CSS.

Further, what's wrong with using lists as you have?
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[css-d] Need help with IE float bug (I think)

2006-06-14 Thread cowgrrrl . 1032182
Hello,

I'm new to the list and looking for help with a problem I'm having
with my site in Internet Explorer. 

http://www.patiastephens.com/

I
built this version of my site a year or so ago as my first experiment in 
learning
CSS. I found it very difficult but loved the results. Recently I worked up
the courage to change a few things -- colors, header sizes, etc. 

I must've
broken something in either the style sheet or template, because the site has
stopped displaying properly in IE. It looks fine in Firefox Win/Mac and Safari.


I think it's a float bug, but I have been struggling with it for a few
days and can't figure out where I'm going wrong.

Can anyone help me out?


Thank you.
Patia
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[css-d] display: hide / display:visible question.

2006-06-14 Thread Chris C
Ok, here is my problem/scenario:
I have a ton of static information... (about 30 pages worth) on a
webpage
[code]
pbla bla bha/p
pblah blah blah/p
...
...
pblah blah page 15/p
...
pblah blah blah page 30/p
[/code]
 
What I (think I) want to do is tag only a selected few paragraphs etc..
 
[code]
div class=abrv
p blah blah blah page 15/p
/div
[code]
 
Then I need to have the ability to hide all the content except what was
tagged (class=abrv).
Essentially I want to have 1 document, but have the ability to show an
abbreviated version of it at the push of a button and then also be able
to flip back to the full unabbreviated version.
 
The current system is working with 2 separate files... but I'm sure with
the power of styles, this could be simplified into 1 document.
 
Am I even on the right track? Could point me in a good direction or give
an example of how I'd go about doing this?
 
Chris
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Re: [css-d] ie float drop

2006-06-14 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote:
 On this test page http://www.dlaakso.com/four-col/4c.html the right 
 column (fuchsia) drops in ie at text-size 'largest' with /ignore 
 font-sizes specified on this Web page checked/.
 ~odilonRedon
Resolved on this end (xp:ie/6.0) at least. The float drop seems to have 
been caused by a number of very long words in a narrow column. It was a 
*markup* problem, resolved by hyphenation of those long words with a 
soft hyphen: shy; or, in my case, numeric entity #173;.
Best,
~odilonRedon
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Re: [css-d] Extra horizonal line I can't get rid of

2006-06-14 Thread Kenny Millington
Hi,

 Somewhere, a horizonal line has shown up, and I
 have not been able to figure out how to get rid of it.  That would be
 the line above the text in the footer box of the page.

This appears to be being caused by a global UL definition in the CSS:

ul { /* needs the Holly hack to avoid IE bugs */
border-top: 1px solid #000;
}

Adding a border: 0; to the definition for .footer2 ul removes it.

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Re: [css-d] display: hide / display:visible question.

2006-06-14 Thread Scott Reston
Chris - that's definitely something you can handle with CSS and a touch
of javascript. My preference for this type of behavior is to have the
text visible in it's CSS definition, then hide it with javascript. That
way if the visitor doesn't have javascript (and thus the mechanism to
make the text displayable) enabled, they're not going to miss out on
your content.

You can do this in a few lines of javascript[1], but be aware that
different browsers have slightly different ways of adjusting the
visibility of page elements.

If you're not afraid of taking on a bit of page-weight (about 55k),
prototype[2]/script.aculo.us[3] have some nice methods for
show/hide/toggle[4] text:

Element.show('ID');
Element.hide('ID');
Element.toggle('ID');

1. http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+toggle+visibility
2. http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Prototype
3. http://script.aculo.us/
4. http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Element.hide
   http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Element.show
   http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Element.toggle



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Chris C wrote:
 Ok, here is my problem/scenario:
 I have a ton of static information... (about 30 pages worth) on a
 webpage
 [code]
 pbla bla bha/p
 pblah blah blah/p
 ...
 ...
 pblah blah page 15/p
 ...
 pblah blah blah page 30/p
 [/code]
  
 What I (think I) want to do is tag only a selected few paragraphs etc..
  
 [code]
 div class=abrv
 p blah blah blah page 15/p
 /div
 [code]
  
 Then I need to have the ability to hide all the content except what was
 tagged (class=abrv).
 Essentially I want to have 1 document, but have the ability to show an
 abbreviated version of it at the push of a button and then also be able
 to flip back to the full unabbreviated version.
  
 The current system is working with 2 separate files... but I'm sure with
 the power of styles, this could be simplified into 1 document.
  
 Am I even on the right track? Could point me in a good direction or give
 an example of how I'd go about doing this?
  
 Chris



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[css-d] How do I set a table cell alignment

2006-06-14 Thread Julie Dinger
Hello,

I'm a newbie and have been trying to set a table cell alignment in a 
style sheet.  I've tried everything I can think of to identify the 
table TD correctly as news but it's not working.  Any suggestions 
as to what I'm doing wrong or how to do it right will be very 
appreciated.

My HTML code for the table in question:

center
table id=news width=100% border=0
tr
td id=news align=left width=33%
!--RSS Image and link--
a 
href=http://www.leg.state.mn.us/webcontent/lrl/rss/just.xml;Library 
News RSS feednbsp;nbsp;IMG
src=/graphics/xml_36x14.gif alt= width=36 height=14 
border=0/a/tdtd align=middle
a href=http://www.leg.state.mn.us/lrl/rss/rss.asp;About 
RSS/a/td
!--RSS Image end--
td align=right
IMG src=/graphics/wireless3.gif alt=For free wireless Internet 
access in the library you need a laptop computer or PDA enabled to 
use WiFi 802.11b or 802.11g. border=no
/td
/tr/table/center

My CSS:

TABLE#news
{
TABLE-LAYOUT: auto;
WIDTH: 100%;
COLOR: white;
BORDER-WIDTH: 0;
}
TABLE#news TD
{
BORDER-WIDTH: 1;
VERTICLE-ALIGN: middle
}

I think the problem is with my syntax in the HTML, or where I'm 
placing the ID tag.   Thank you for any assistance.

Julie Dinger
Reference/Web Services Librarian
Minnesota Legislative Reference Library
www.leg.state.mn.us
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Re: [css-d] How do I set a table cell alignment

2006-06-14 Thread cj
if it was my page and i really had to use a table, i'd do something like:

table id=news
tr
td class=news
[link]
/td
td class=about
[link]
/td
td class=graphic
[graphic]br/[it's a tall one]br/[really tall]
/td
/tr
/table

#news {
border: none;
width: 100%;
vertical-align: middle;
/* you set a color but no background so i'm not sure if i should copy
that part */
}

#news td {
border: 1px solid black;
}

.news {
text-align: left;
width: 33%;
}

.about {
text-align: center;
}

.graphic {
text-align: right;
}
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Re: [css-d] Need help with IE float bug (I think)

2006-06-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm new to the list and looking for help with a problem I'm having 
 with my site in Internet Explorer.

Welcome to the list.

 http://www.patiastephens.com/

 I think it's a float bug, but I have been struggling with it for a 
 few days and can't figure out where I'm going wrong.

No float bug. It is one of those /easy-to-make/ 'code bugs':-)

IE/win is unable to recover from this...

h2{ font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
/* - start quote and no end quote - just delete */

...so all following styles are ignored.

The CSS validator does pick up that 'code bug' - as a 'Parse Error'...
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patiastephens.com%2Fusermedium=all
...so you could have saved some debugging time.


Comment: that HTML 4.01 source-code has too many errors, according to
the validator...
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patiastephens.com%2F
You should try to clean it up a bit.

regards
Georg
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[css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread David Sharp
If anyone has time, I would be grateful to have an eyeball cast over 
this site - www.bsq.com.au/acstest/index.html
www.bsq.com.au/acstest/acs.css

The site looks exactly as I would want in FF1.5 and IE6 running on 
windowsXP with minimal hacking, and although I've seen a few screen 
captures from browsercam, I haven't really been able to test in other 
browsers. I am particularly interested in why Safari seems to put the 
image on the index page BELOW the #content div and not above as it 
appears in the document flow.

Sadly I don't think I'll have time to fix the site for IEMac, but I must 
admit to being a little curious as to why it looks so bad on browsercam 
- colours are all wrong, logo doesn't appear correctly, float drop of 
#content (but incidentally not the top image which is wider?!) etc.

Thanks
David Sharp



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Re: [css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread Donovan Bond
On 14-Jun-06, at 9:38 PM, David Sharp wrote:

 If anyone has time, I would be grateful to have an eyeball cast over
 this site - www.bsq.com.au/acstest/index.html
 www.bsq.com.au/acstest/acs.css

I can confirm:

that it is indeed wonky in Safari (2.0.3)
looks to be fine in DeerPark (Firefox) and Opera.
falls apart in IE 5. Looks like something is pushing all your content  
down.

All OS X 10.4.6

Sorry, don't have time to look at your code. 
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Re: [css-d] Need help with IE float bug (I think)

2006-06-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However, I DID attempt to check the style sheet yesterday with 
 Dreamweaver's validator, and it found parsing errors with other 
 bits of code that did not seem to have anything wrong with them. Is 
 the w3 validator more accurate?

The W3C validators are definitely more accurate - although not flawless.
You're not designing _for_ DW -- only _in_ it, so forget _its_ errors.

 I'm sorry, I know my code is a mess and needs cleaning up. I'm just a
  bit intimidated about where to start. Any advice welcome.

If you can set up HTMLTidy so it actually works, then it will make
wonders cleaning up your source-code. Think Tidy has only really missed
1 error - regarding Microsoft's downlevel 'conditional comment' (which
is *not* valid) - for the 3 years I have used it.

However, Tidy is most often made useless by default when incorporated in
HTML-editors, so you'll have to set it up yourself, for your use and
choice of DocType.

Also, and *very* important: HTMLTidy can *not* correct what it doesn't
understand, and it can *not* make badly designed layouts work. Usually
not a problem.

Some online versions and sources...
http://valet.htmlhelp.com/tidy/
http://infohound.net/tidy/

http://tidy.sourceforge.net/

...and my own comments on Tidy (and editors)...
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_07.html
...that maybe aren't so relevant since I write manually in accordance
with XHTML DocTypes.

regards
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[css-d] li problems

2006-06-14 Thread Trey Copeland

Here is my site: www.treycopeland.net

I'm trying to get the links lined up over the dark bar. In Firefox it 
shows up, but in IE it doesn't.
Can anyone help me get this working? I'm on irc.freenode.net #9rules if 
you wanna talk there.


Thanks,
Trey Copeland
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Re: [css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Donovan Bond wrote:

 On 14-Jun-06, at 9:38 PM, David Sharp wrote:

 If anyone has time, I would be grateful to have an eyeball cast over
 this site - www.bsq.com.au/acstest/index.html
 www.bsq.com.au/acstest/acs.css

 I can confirm:

 that it is indeed wonky in Safari (2.0.3)

Safari (all versions, including WebKit nightly builds).
The div #content is set to 'display:table-cell'. That is nicely  
broken in Safari, causing it to jump to the top of the parent block.

IE 5.x Mac doesn't support display:table-cell at all, but when it  
encounters this, it pushes the content out of  (below) the box.

Why do you need to set that div to 'display:table-cell' ?
 From a quick browsing around the site, I see no reason at all.


Note: IE 5 Mac also has some problems with your image replacement  
technique on the h1, and the #wrapper isn't painted at all (lack of  
clearing, the 'easy clearing' technique isn't fully implemented).

Philippe
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Re: [css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread David Sharp
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
 Safari (all versions, including WebKit nightly builds).
 The div #content is set to 'display:table-cell'. That is nicely  
 broken in Safari, causing it to jump to the top of the parent block.

 IE 5.x Mac doesn't support display:table-cell at all, but when it  
 encounters this, it pushes the content out of  (below) the box.

 Why do you need to set that div to 'display:table-cell' ?
  From a quick browsing around the site, I see no reason at all.




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Thanks Phillipe for this extremely helpful information. The 
'display:table-cell' was a quick and dirty hack to get around the lack 
of min-height in IE, because I wanted pages with minimal content to 
stretch at least as far as the end of the navigation bar at the side. At 
the time this seemed the quickest and easiest way of doing it, although 
it did cause problems with my solution for ie's 3px bug on the image at 
the top. So it looks like I need another solution for min-height...
Why can't all the browsers just get along...?

Cheers,
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[css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-14 Thread e lohroff
I *think* I followed the guidelines and code
explicitly in OTL(positioniseverything.net) but my
page is still broken in IE 6, Opera 7.11 and Netscape
8.1.  I've validated my html but the css doesn't
validate because of the browser hacks (and probably my
own mistakes, too).

I'm trying to teach myself css instead of tables and
am trying to replicate this page:
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_table.php

The left column is fixed width and the right column
fills the rest of the page.

Here's the new page and the css
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_css.htm
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/cssexpt.css

In IE, the left margin for content is wrong, but if
I make it work there, then it goes wrong in NS and O
and gets hidden under the menu block.

And in NS and O, the content of content begins below
the end of menu content.

I know I still have some other tweaking to do, but I
want to get these columns right.

TIA,
E.

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[css-d] no background-color with your color warnings

2006-06-14 Thread Dale Lists
Hello,

Sorry if this is a foolish question, but I haven't found the answer 
elsewhere so far. I have a small site at http://www.bear.net/ - the css 
is at http://www.bear.net/css/default.css

When I run it through the Wc3 css validator at 
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://bear.net/  it 
passes, however it gives a bunch of warnings almost all related to 
background-color or color

For example:

* Line : 15 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : a:link
* Line : 19 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : a:visited
* Line : 22 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : a:hover
* Line : 26 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color : a
* Line : 31 (Level : 1) You have no color with your background-color
  : #header
* Line : 76 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : #header-items a
* Line : 83 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : #header-search-button:hover
* Line : 83 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your color
  : #header-search-button:hover
* Line : 105 (Level : 1) You have no color with your
  background-color : #nav
* Line : 128 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your
  color : #nav a
* Line : 133 (Level : 1) You have no background-color with your
  color : #nav a:hover
* Line : 141 (Level : 1) You have no color with your
  background-color : #member-nav
* Line : 167 (Level : 1) Same colors for color and background-color
  in two contexts #content and #member-nav ul li

And many more. I guess I missed where I am supposed to, for example, set 
a background color for a:link, a:visited and so forth.

Thank you for any clarity on this subject.

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[css-d] Relative positioning and widths

2006-06-14 Thread Brendan Grossman
Hi everyone

Is it possible to have floating divs side-by-side without the width
specified or with just one set explicitly? 

For example I have two columns... 

Left hand side I want to set explicity, ie. 15em

Right hand side, I want it to fill up the remaining area of the page. 

However when doing this, the right drops below the left div.

Here's sample code I'm using...

#left {
  float: left;
  width: 15em;
}

#right {
  float: left;
}

div id=left/div
div id=right/div !-- drops below left div --

Is there a way around what I'm trying to do?

Cheers
Brendan

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Re: [css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread David Sharp
Thanks to Phillipe I have now solved my min-height problem in Safari and 
IEmac (fingers crossed this hasn't created problems elsewhere!).

I have also learned that earlier versions of IE don't support margin : 
auto, and that quote marks on the uris of background images, for example:
 background-image : uri('someimage.gif')
(which are incidentally so kindly added to css by front-page), don't 
play nicely with IE mac. Isn't css fun!!

I'm sure I have overlooked many other little things on this site - I 
really appreciate everyone's comments.

Cheers,
David
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Re: [css-d] Site check - if you would be so kind

2006-06-14 Thread Ingo Chao
David Sharp wrote:
 I'm sure I have overlooked many other little things on this site - I 
 really appreciate everyone's comments.

Recordings:
Without table-cell on #content and with clear:both on h2, the h2 on the 
recordings pages clear the left navigation.

Critical Acclaim:
I do not like the combination of italics, bold, and center for quotes. 
Although its ubiquitous.


I like the photography. The photographer nicely picked the green and 
gray from your page. ;)

The site looks friendly.

Ingo

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[css-d] Web Developer Extension for Netscape

2006-06-14 Thread Bojana Lalic
Hi all

 

Is there a web developer extension for Netscape? I am after the edit CSS
option :-)

 

Thanks

 

Bojana
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