Re: [css-d] Site test?

2007-10-21 Thread William M Conlon
Sorry, I have not looked in IE6.

First, start with validated HTML.  Your document does not validate  
(you have a non-unicode character on line 9.

Next, validate the css.  268#resources  Value Error : border 1 is  
not a border-color value : 1

Then, your sizes are in px, which breaks the flow when someone  
resizes.  Review the threads here about relative size (% or em) for  
all dimensions.

Also, it would be nice to replace the table with another floated  
column, since the table does not contain tabular information, but a  
list.


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On Oct 20, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Virginia Bruce wrote:

 I have only been watching this list for a little while, so if this is
 an inappropriate request, please let me know...

 I am also new to CSS positioning, although I've been using CSS styling
 for several years. My current client wants good Search Engine results,
 and my SEO guru has recommended using CSS positioning so that the
 important content (keyword rich) sits at the top of the files.

 After much hair-tearing, I think I have achieved this. I usually work
 on a Mac, but I was able to test in IE7, but not in the dreaded IE6.
 That's where you-all come in...

 Please take a look at the site and let me know if there's anything  
 odd.
 This is just a staging site, the final one will sit on its own domain.

 http://teamweb.com/daswani

 Thanks in advance for any comments, suggestions etc.

 vb

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Re: [css-d] Site test?

2007-10-21 Thread Waz and Elle

On 21/10/2007, at 4:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please take a look at the site and let me know if there's anything  
 odd.
 This is just a staging site, the final one will sit on its own domain.

 http://teamweb.com/daswani

Hi Virginia,

I'm also working on a mac, so can't help with checking the site on IE6.

I just wanted to suggest a couple of things in regards to the markup  
(not so much css):
1) You have a lot of divs on the page (div id= ). You could use css  
inheritance better than surround many elements in div tags.
2) You have a table to hold Things you cannot afford where it  
really isn't needed. And unordered list would have sufficed.
3) Your header div is after the footer div in the markup -- that's  
not logic.

You can simplify your markup and with that reduce the file size. And  
example can be:
div id=wrapper

 div id=header
   logo (your choice of how to present the logo)
   ul id=globals

 div id=nav
   ul


 div id=content
rest of content comes here

 div id=footer

Cheers,
Elle

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Re: [css-d] CSS Eleven

2007-10-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
 What is the problem making CSS Thirteen?

They might run low on oxygen - like Apollo 13 ;-)

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Re: [css-d] Spry Menu from Dreamweaver, bug in IE 6

2007-10-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kara Marsee wrote:

 http://www.foursightcreative.com/clients/pdl/teen-template.html

 The bug that happens in IE 6 is once you rollover these drop-down 
 type nav items, then go to one below, then back over the one above 
 it, parts of it are unviewable (the parts that are supposed to be 
 above the nav below it)...this is really hard to explain by typing, 
 so I hope this makes sense, and if it doesn¹t, please view in IE 6 
 and see if you can recreate this.

Sure enough, it's one of IE/win's stacking bugs playing tricks on you.
IE/win simply can't stack absolute positioned elements properly, and
seems to be disturbed by the z-index altering done by the script.
Probably a mistake made to the script itself.
Same in all IE/win versions - including IE7.

This stacking bug hits many drop-down menus, so it is quite easy to
spot. A bit harder to fix though, as such menus come in all shapes and
sizes.

 Please, does anyone know of a fix for this?

Paste in this little monster verbatim at the very end of
SpryMenuBarVertical.css...

@media screen {
* html ul.MenuBarVertical ul {position: relative!important; float: left;
margin: -10px -1000px -1000px 80px; display: inline;}
* html ul.MenuBarVertical {position: static!important; }
*:first-child+html ul.MenuBarVertical ul {position: relative!important;
float: left; margin: -10px -1000px -1000px 80px;}
*:first-child+html ul.MenuBarVertical {position: static!important; }
}

...and IE/win will behave itself.


What the little monster does is to override all references to
positioning IE/win can't handle, which also makes IE ignore all z-index
trickery in the script and CSS. I then fake the entire positioning
with removed floats...

http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_03.html

...which IE/win handles quite well.

I use the off screen 'left: -1000em;' from the original styles to make
the drop-downs disappear when they should - using relative positioning,
and removed floats take up zero space - just as absolute positioned
elements, so they can disappear completely and/or overlay other elements
just fine.

Two sets of identical styles but using different hacks, since IE7
doesn't understand the old '* html' hack but has mostly the same bugs as
IE6 under its many patches.

Everything is tested in IE6 and IE7, and other browsers for comparison.

regards
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Re: [css-d] Site test?

2007-10-21 Thread David Laakso
Virginia Bruce wrote:
 Please take a look at the site and let me know if there's anything odd. 
 This is just a staging site, the final one will sit on its own domain.

 http://teamweb.com/daswani


 vb

 Virginia Bruce
   


XP IE6.0/Parallels desktop

You are relatively close to compliant browsers when viewed in IE6.0.
Incidentally, font-scaling at +2 in compliant browsers does a bit of a 
number on it; and ignoring the frozen fonts in IE and setting to 
text-size largest comes close to destroying it.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Same old Hat (new)

2007-10-21 Thread Dejan Kozina
Splash pages are bad (usability- and search positioning-wise). The same
is true for links opening in new windows, full screen windows, pointless
flash animations, links as images and other stuff you have to talk your
customer out off before starting to code; sometims, after they gave up
on popups and flash and such you feel compelled to meet them halfway on
something...

Take a peek at http://tinyurl.com/2rzpzn for an example I've put out
last week. Involves scripting, so I won't elaborate further on this
list. Write me off-list if you're interested in the uncompressed script.

djn

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 Sorry for the old fashioned topic of this post, but
 here it goes...
 I remember reading a while back about how splash
 pages etc were coming back into style, and how
 disappointing this was.
 I understand all the accessibility concerns
 surrounding splash pages, but my question is, were I
 to want to design a site that had a large photo as
 it's main intro page, is there any way I can do this
 as ok for standards-based design methods?
 I mean, in my particular position there are many
 photos etc that I would love to use as a graphical
 introduction, and would really rather not be
 incapable of doing that?
 That's all for now.
 Thanks so much for any possible help.
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Re: [css-d] Same old Hat (new)

2007-10-21 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I understand all the accessibility concerns
 surrounding splash pages, but my question is, were I
 to want to design a site that had a large photo as
 it's main intro page, is there any way I can do this
 as ok for standards-based design methods?

 Daniel

   

Since your question has nothing to do with CSS, a nothing to do with CSS 
method for achieving a splash page (if you decide to go that sometimes 
annoying route) is to use a timed meta attribute in the head of the 
document.

Best,

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[css-d] Image forcing div down (+ text question)

2007-10-21 Thread Kevin Stevens
I am doing a site that uses faux columns, which looks good, except on 
this page http://www.ratking.co.uk/bensons/map.htm where the image seems 
to push the container div down and I have no idea why.
Also, while I have your attention, on the right hand side of 
http://www.ratking.co.uk/bensons/testimonials.htm there is a huge gap 
between the line Business Cards and the text below, again I have tried 
lots of things but can't manage to solve this problem.

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Re: [css-d] Image forcing div down (+ text question)

2007-10-21 Thread David Laakso
Kevin Stevens wrote:
 I am doing a site that uses faux columns, which looks good, except on 
 this page http://www.ratking.co.uk/bensons/map.htm where the image seems 
 to push the container div down and I have no idea why.
   


Try in ruleset #main_map img changing position: relative; to position: 
absolute; and defining both the height and width of the map?

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] CSS Eleven

2007-10-21 Thread Elli Vizcaino
Good sense of humor Georg. 

Elli 

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 They might run low on oxygen - like Apollo 13 ;-)
 
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Re: [css-d] Newbie

2007-10-21 Thread Phil Tobias

On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 is Dreamweaver acceptable or am I better off (as a beginner) going  
 down
 a different route ? and finally, the most asked question in the
 world ... what resource to use to learn ?

Dreamweaver is a fine authoring environment. It lets you bounce back  
and forth between visual authoring and pure code view as you like. It  
also does a great job managing all the pages, files, and links  
throughout a site.

If you're comfortable in Photoshop, it too is a fine medium for  
mocking up the look of pages, so you have something to show to  
clients. You can then output the graphics for use with your CSS designs.

To learn, you might start by deconstructing some of the CSS layouts  
provided with the current version of Dreamweaver. Experiment by  
changing the various styles and settings. A good book or two would  
also help you get started. This group's wiki may have some good  
recommendations.

Good luck. ...pt

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Re: [css-d] Site test?

2007-10-21 Thread Virginia Bruce
On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:02 PM, William M Conlon wrote:

 Sorry, I have not looked in IE6.

 First, start with validated HTML.  Your document does not validate 
 (you have a non-unicode character on line 9.

 Next, validate the css.  268  #resources  Value Error : border 1 is 
 not a border-color value : 1

Okay, I will go back in and validate everything. You're right, I forgot 
to do that.

 Then, your sizes are in px, which breaks the flow when someone 
 resizes.  Review the threads here about relative size (% or em) for 
 all dimensions.

When I worked in tables, I always used % but I thought it became 
problematic with CSS. I will go back and study that -- I would much 
rather work in %. Never got into ems, but I'll look into that too.

 Also, it would be nice to replace the table with another floated 
 column, since the table does not contain tabular information, but a 
 list.

I tried and tried to do this but I gave up.

I have to have the content of the innerRightContent div at the top of 
the body section.  I couldn't figure out how to position the box inside 
an absolutely positioned div without placing it above that content in 
the file. If there is a way, I'd love to learn it. I would actually 
like that box to appear at the top right of the InnerRightContent 
div, with the text wrapping around it, but its content must not be 
above the Custom Tailored Clothing Means Elegance and Dignity/ Daswani 
Tailors makes tailor-made fit and style affordable... content.

Placing the keyword-rich content at the top of the file was the whole 
point of tackling CSS positioning for me. If you can absolutely 
position a div inside an absolutely positioned div I would love to do 
that.

vb

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[css-d] Adding a faux column on my blog

2007-10-21 Thread Ian Bethune
I have added a background color to my sidebar on my blog Sox  Dawgs,
http://soxanddawgs.com

I would like the sidebar color to extend to the bottom of each page and not
lengthen it any more than the longest sidebar unless the content is that
long. 

I have read the how to create a faux column with css but have not had any
success. So I turn here for help. 

Any help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very
much for your time.

Here is my css code.

*/
body { background: #fff; color: #333; font: 62.5% Georgia, Times New
Roman, Times, serif; text-align: center; }

* { padding: 0; margin: 0; }


/*---:[ global elements ]:---*/

a { color: #5f; text-decoration: underline; }

a:visited { color: #5f; text-decoration: underline; }

a:hover { color: #df; text-decoration: underline; }

a img { border: none; }

blockquote { font-style: italic; font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman,
Times, serif; color: #555; margin: 0 30px 1.5em 30px; padding: 0 0 0 10px;
border-left: 1px solid #aaa; }

abbr, acronym { border-bottom: 1px dotted #aaa; text-transform: uppercase;
cursor: help; }

code { color: #090; font-family: Courier, monospace; }

pre { margin: 0 0 1.5em 0; overflow: auto; font-size: 1.3em; clear: both; }

p.center { text-align: center !important; }

p.bottom { margin: 0 !important; }

p.unstyled { font-size: 1.4em; }

.flickr_blue { color: #007ae4; text-transform: lowercase; }

.flickr_pink { color: #ff2a96; text-transform: lowercase; }

.green { color: #090; }

.red { color: #f00; }

.orange { color: #f40; }

.purple { color: #909; }



/*---:[ headlines ]:---*/

h1, h2, h3 { font-weight: bold; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
color: #000; }

h1 { font-size: 3.6em; letter-spacing: -0.03em; }

#masthead h1 { padding: 0.4em 0 0.2em 0; border-top: 1px solid #ccc;
text-align: center; clear: both; }

h1 a, h1 a:visited, h1 a:hover { color: #000; text-decoration: none;
}

h2 { font-size: 2.0em; }

h2 a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; }

h2 a:visited { color: #555; text-decoration: none; }

h2 a:hover { color: #090; text-decoration: none; }

.posts h2 { margin: 0 0 0.1em 0; line-height: 1.2em; }

.pages h2, h2.page_header { margin: 0 0 0.75em 0; padding: 0 0 0.6em
0; background: url('images/hr_title_sep.gif') 0 100% no-repeat; }

h2.archive_head { font-weight: bold !important; font-size: 1.4em
!important; text-transform: uppercase !important; letter-spacing: normal
!important; margin: 0 0 1.8em 0 !important; padding: 0.4em 2px !important;
border-top: 3px solid #000 !important; background:
url('images/hr_dot_black.gif') 0 100% repeat-x !important; }

h3 { font-size: 1.0em; text-transform: uppercase; }

#masthead h3 { margin: 0 0 0.75em 0; font-weight: normal; font-size:
1.4em; text-transform: none; color: #888; text-align: center; }

.entry h3 { margin: 2.5em 0 0.5em 0; }

.entry h3.top { margin: 1.5em 0 0.5em 0 !important; }

h3.comments_headers { font-size: 1.4em; }

h4 { font: italic 1.2em Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif; color:
#888; }

h4 a, h4 a:visited { color: #888; text-decoration: none; }

h4 a:hover { color: #888; text-decoration: underline; }

.posts h4 { margin: 0 0 1.25em 0; padding: 0 0 1.0em 0; background:
url('images/hr_title_sep.gif') 0 100% no-repeat; }



/*---:[ core layout elements ]:---*/

#container { width: 970px; margin: 15px auto 0 auto; }

#content_box {background:#fff; width: 970px; text-align: left;
float: left; clear: both; }

#content { width: 510px; padding: 0 0 0 10px; float: left;
}

#sidebar { background:#f2f2f2; width: 210px; padding: 0 0 0
10px; float: right; }

#l_sidebar { background:#f2f2f2; width: 210px; padding: 0 0
0 10px; float: left; }

#footer { background:#5f; width: 970px; padding: 1.2em 0 0 0;
border-top: 2px solid #ccc; float: center; clear: both; }



/*---:[ header styles ]:---*/

#masthead { background: #fff; width: 970px; /*height: 100px; background:
url('images/logo.gif') no-repeat;*/ /* uncomment the height and background
declarations here if you intend to use a graphic in the header instead of
the h1 */ }

/* #masthead a { display: block; width: 970px; height: 100px; } */
/* uncomment this line if you use a graphic in the header - make sure the
height of your header graphic is equal to the height declared in this line
of code! */

ul#nav { background: #fff; list-style: none; width: 950px; padding: 0 10px;
background: url('images/hr_dot_black.gif') repeat-x; border-bottom: 3px
solid #000; float: left; clear: both; }

ul#nav li { padding: 

Re: [css-d] Image forcing div down (+ text question)

2007-10-21 Thread Tigdh Glesain
Hallo Kevin,

A random observation...  The arrow on that map was/is quite hard to  
see on my lappy... Maybe it could be darker or bolder...

Best,
Tigdh

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On 22/10/2007, at 1:08 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote:

I am doing a site that uses faux columns, which looks good, except on
this page http://www.ratking.co.uk/bensons/map.htm where the image seems
to push the container div down and I have no idea why.
Also, while I have your attention, on the right hand side of
http://www.ratking.co.uk/bensons/testimonials.htm there is a huge gap
between the line Business Cards and the text below, again I have tried
lots of things but can't manage to solve this problem.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: [css-d] Newbie

2007-10-21 Thread david
Phil Tobias wrote:
 On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 is Dreamweaver acceptable or am I better off (as a beginner) going  
 down
 a different route ? and finally, the most asked question in the
 world ... what resource to use to learn ?
 
 Dreamweaver is a fine authoring environment. It lets you bounce back  
 and forth between visual authoring and pure code view as you like. It  
 also does a great job managing all the pages, files, and links  
 throughout a site.

Dreamweaver, like other GUI web development environments, lies to you 
about how your page looks - visitors don't browse the web with 
Dreamweaver. Also, you will eventually find yourself in a situation 
where there's a problem in your site that you can't fix in the GUI mode, 
so you switch to code view ... at which point, you need to know CSS and 
HTML just as well as if you never used a GUI environment. So I'd say - 
forget the GUI development environment and just work with a good code 
development environment from the first!

 If you're comfortable in Photoshop, it too is a fine medium for  
 mocking up the look of pages, so you have something to show to  
 clients. You can then output the graphics for use with your CSS designs.

Using tools like Photoshop (and Dreamweaver) encourages the (often 
unconscious) thought process that *this is how your visitors will see 
your site.* This is another lie.

If you really want to use a GUI tool for a mockup, use your preferred 
presentation software package. They all let you set up links, so you can 
at least take clients through the flow of the site.

 To learn, you might start by deconstructing some of the CSS layouts  
 provided with the current version of Dreamweaver.  Experiment by
 changing the various styles and settings.

No, grab one of the layouts from Layout Gala. Or grab the layout from a 
site you like.

 A good book or two would  
 also help you get started. This group's wiki may have some good  
 recommendations.

Not to mention the books by our illustrious list owner, Eric Meyer!

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[css-d] Help with converting table layout to standards

2007-10-21 Thread Kit Grose
G'day all,

I'm trying to build an extensible interface refresh for the backend  
of a product we sell.

The interface I'm trying to build might be thought of as 'full  
screen'; with a sort of frames layout feel. There's a primary nav bar  
across the top of the screen, a secondary nav bar down the left of  
the screen (which ideally would occupy the full height of the window  
minus the height of the nav bar and have overflow: auto), a heading  
bar with some action buttons, a large content pane and a set of  
action buttons.

To give you an idea, I've mocked it up in tables so you can see where  
I'm heading, and the start of a standards design, but I've become  
bogged down:

Tables version:
http://www.iqmultimedia.com.au/kit/slogger/tables.html

Standards version:
http://www.iqmultimedia.com.au/kit/slogger/standards.html

The tables one doesn't work properly in anything except FF, but I  
don't really mind because I'm not likely to use a design with tables  
for layout.

The issues I have are the following:
- Can anyone think of a way to impose a scrollbar on the left-hand  
'Stuff goes here!' secondary nav when it expands beyond the window  
bounds?
- How can I allow the developers to create between 0 and 2 each of  
neutral, destructive and constructive buttons while keeping them all  
in line and tidy? Buttons are likely to get icons too if deemed  
feasible.

I'm in a rather unique situation where the product is going to  
require Firefox (in order to fall under the support requirements for  
the application), so I have a lot more freedom when it comes to nice  
selectors etc. in CSS.


Any help you can provide would be appreciated (I'm in a situation  
where I have to explain to my boss why I shouldn't just use the  
tables layout and get a moveon with the development).

Cheers,

Kit Grose
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Re: [css-d] Adding a faux column on my blog

2007-10-21 Thread Rafael
Ian Bethune wrote:
 I have added a background color to my sidebar on my blog Sox  Dawgs,
 http://soxanddawgs.com

 I would like the sidebar color to extend to the bottom of each page and not
 lengthen it any more than the longest sidebar unless the content is that
 long. 

 I have read the how to create a faux column with css but have not had any
 success. So I turn here for help. 

 Any help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very
 much for your time.
   
I haven't seen the CSS (was too long), but the effect you want can 
be achieved by adding the image with the faux columns to #content_box, 
that way whatever content is the longest it will affect the three columns.

Hope this helps.
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Re: [css-d] Help with converting table layout to standards

2007-10-21 Thread Kit Grose
Well, I've fixed my problem for the most part.

I simply used the trick where absolutely positioned elements have  
more than one vertical property set (which doesn't work in IE, but  
we're operating on a Firefox/Safari only assumption).

So we've set the top to 2em, the bottom to 0, the left to 0 and left  
the right as auto, with the width defined as 200px, and now I get all  
the niceties of the design.

It's a hack, but it works exactly to spec.

Hope it helps someone else at some point,

Kit

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