[css-d] Nav tabs not quite right in IE 6/7

[Rick Lecoat]

I've got some navigational tabs on my site www.sharkattack.co.uk that  
work okay except for one thing: the 'you are here' active state for  
the tab (the 'current' tab is yellow) doesn't fully fill the tab in  
IE6 and 7. It's fine in IE8 and in the other usual suspects (Safari,  
FF, Opera) so I guess its down to IE <8 css rendering 'features'.

I've stared at my CSS for ages trying to work out the problem but it's  
got me stumped. (I'm sure it's something really obvious). Can the list  
help please?

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Re: [css-d] page check and help with placement

[David Laakso]

Erin Spangler wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Please check this image:
> http://www.thedogsonline.com/temp-site/new-showcase/images/example-image.jpg
>
> against this page:
> http://www.thedogsonline.com/temp-site/new-showcase/showcase-template.html
> http://www.thedogsonline.com/temp-site/new-showcase/showcase.css
>
> and you'll see that I'm having a little trouble moving the links section
> over underneath the title graphic and my banner image that I'm trying to use
> as a background image for my absolutely placed div is slightly "off" as
> well.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
>   



Hmm. What to say...

It is quite easy to use CSS to reproduce the photoshop comp on the 
screen (no absolute positioning needed).

However, if you want a page that "works" regardless of user preference 
to do whatever they  well please, /you may want to re-think your 
concept/.
One approach to maintaining structural integrity (a site that is not 
brittle and does not brake with user discretion) is to let content 
determine height. And to test thoroughly cross-browser (with the fonts 
set at default) at minimum font-size 32px; at +2 in compliant browsers; 
and at text-size "largest in the IE's.

This is a quick attempt at it...

css


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Re: [css-d] Float doesn't shrink fit content under Safari - any workarounds?

[Bruno Fassino]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Timothy Armes wrote:
>
> Is there no one that can help me on this issue?
>
> > I'm struggling with a Safari float shrinking problem and I'm
> > desperately seeking a solution.  I've spent days on the issue now.
> >
> > http://www.timothyarmes.com/gallery.php?lang=en-gb&sec=personal
> >

In your page the "shrinking" container has two roles:
- maintaining a sort of fluid centering of the images
- providing the white border around them

I really believe the best way is to simplify and abandon the above
requirements (like in David's example.)

Anyway I played a little, and in Safari and Firefox 3  one can
probably get those effects using inline-blocks... See this
http://brunildo.org/test/test/armesgallery.html   I copied your html,
added some styles and some divs (all the rest: CSS, images, ...) is
still from your site.  This seems to "cure" Safari 3.1 and Firefox 3.
But breaks Fx2 (no support for inline-blocks) and IE: adjusting the
latter is possible, but for the former is going to be complicated. And
the result is going to be too fragile... The idea to "fake" a sort
extra-shrinking container is demonstrated here [1].
So, unless someone has a better idea, I would say again that's better
to go for something simpler.

Best regards,
Bruno

[1] http://brunildo.org/test/test/shrinkwrap7.html
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Re: [css-d] Nav tabs not quite right in IE 6/7

[David Laakso]

Rick Lecoat wrote:
> I've got some navigational tabs on my site www.sharkattack.co.uk that  
> work okay except for one thing: the 'you are here' active state for  
> the tab (the 'current' tab is yellow) doesn't fully fill the tab in  
> IE6 and 7. 
> --
> Rick Lecoat
>   




#nav li {
/*line-height: 2em;*/
}
#nav li a {
padding: 0.5em 2em 0.55em 2em;
}

You may or may not want it a fraction deeper in IE/6.


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Re: [css-d] Float doesn't shrink fit content under Safari - any workarounds?

[Timothy Armes]

Hi Bruno,

Thank you for your help, it's greatly appreciated.  I'm currently on a
computer with FF2 or IE so i can't see the solution at work, but I'll
take a look at home later.  Please leave your solution up!

I've looked at your faked example but I don't understand how it works
at all.  It is technique explained anywhere or did you create it
yourself?

It looks like my best bet, if I wish to keep my layout, is to feed
your solution to FF3/safari via server side sniffing and resort to the
current solution in all other cases.

Tim


On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bruno Fassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Timothy Armes wrote:
>>
>> Is there no one that can help me on this issue?
>>
>> > I'm struggling with a Safari float shrinking problem and I'm
>> > desperately seeking a solution.  I've spent days on the issue now.
>> >
>> > http://www.timothyarmes.com/gallery.php?lang=en-gb&sec=personal
>> >
>
> In your page the "shrinking" container has two roles:
> - maintaining a sort of fluid centering of the images
> - providing the white border around them
>
> I really believe the best way is to simplify and abandon the above
> requirements (like in David's example.)
>
> Anyway I played a little, and in Safari and Firefox 3  one can
> probably get those effects using inline-blocks... See this
> http://brunildo.org/test/test/armesgallery.html   I copied your html,
> added some styles and some divs (all the rest: CSS, images, ...) is
> still from your site.  This seems to "cure" Safari 3.1 and Firefox 3.
> But breaks Fx2 (no support for inline-blocks) and IE: adjusting the
> latter is possible, but for the former is going to be complicated. And
> the result is going to be too fragile... The idea to "fake" a sort
> extra-shrinking container is demonstrated here [1].
> So, unless someone has a better idea, I would say again that's better
> to go for something simpler.
>
> Best regards,
> Bruno
>
> [1] http://brunildo.org/test/test/shrinkwrap7.html
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>



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[css-d] Site check

[Cristian Palmas]

Hi List,

I recently published my personal site and developed my personal CSS
theme for Drupal 6.2.
May some of you check the site with IE on Mac and, in general, with
IE5.5, IE5.0, Opera and Safari for PC and Mac?

I just tested the site with FF2, Safari 3, IE7 and IE6 on PC. It
appears to work well (hoping not to have missed out some bug or
error).
The link is http://www.cristianpalmas.it.

Important notes:
1. There are more than one CSS file because most of them concern the
Drupal modules (but they can be changed, of course). The main layout
is driven by style.css, in which are imported general.css and
main.css. Here are the links:

style.css: 
http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/style.css
general.css: 
http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/general.css
main.css: http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/main.css

2. The CSS does not validate because I used proprietary properties
(like zoom and -moz-opacity) to make the dropdown transparent and work
around the bug in IE6 which causes the doubling of the lineheight. Any
suggestion to avoid the use of these properties but reaching the same
effect is obviously accepted.

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[css-d] Control clicks in Firefox and borders on elements

[Wellington Fan]

Hello List,

I have some Javascript that uses a control-click to add/subtract some 
elements to a selection -- similar the the Windows Explorer paradigm.

I can assign a class to my selected items, but it seems that Firefox or 
the OS (XP Pro) is adding an *additional* thick bluish border.

Please see this page and try control-clicking some of the table's cells. 
The 'selected class that I defined has a thick dashed red border; the 
border that FF/OS is drawing is a solid blue.

My question is this: How the hell can I get rid of the blue border? I 
don't wan't it. Is this OUTSIDE of CSS? I have tried stopping the event 
propagation after I handle the control-click -- no success.

Ideas?

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Re: [css-d] Control clicks in Firefox and borders on elements

[Wellington Fan]

Wellington Fan wrote:
> Please see this page and try control-clicking some of the table's 
> cells. The

Whoops. http://www.illuminoid.com/tables/

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Re: [css-d] Site check

[Chris Akins]

Site looks nice. Did you use/modify a 3-col template or create your own from
scratch?  I'm interested in just this sort of layout with fluid middle
column, but fixed outer.

One note - my personal opinion - is that the semi-transparent dropdown menus
only serve to make it hard to read the menu options.  Solid backgrounds
behind the menu text would be much better, 'cause some of the menu items end
up over the "love your mother" text in the background image.

Regards,

Chris

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Cristian Palmas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I recently published my personal site and developed my personal CSS
> theme for Drupal 6.2.
> May some of you check the site with IE on Mac and, in general, with
> IE5.5, IE5.0, Opera and Safari for PC and Mac?
>
> I just tested the site with FF2, Safari 3, IE7 and IE6 on PC. It
> appears to work well (hoping not to have missed out some bug or
> error).
> The link is http://www.cristianpalmas.it.
>
> Important notes:
> 1. There are more than one CSS file because most of them concern the
> Drupal modules (but they can be changed, of course). The main layout
> is driven by style.css, in which are imported general.css and
> main.css. Here are the links:
>
> style.css:
> http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/style.css
> general.css:
> http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/general.css
> main.css:
> http://www.cristianpalmas.it/sites/all/themes/custom/chrhome/main.css
>
> 2. The CSS does not validate because I used proprietary properties
> (like zoom and -moz-opacity) to make the dropdown transparent and work
> around the bug in IE6 which causes the doubling of the lineheight. Any
> suggestion to avoid the use of these properties but reaching the same
> effect is obviously accepted.
>
> Thanks a lot.
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Re: [css-d] Site check

[David Laakso]

Cristian Palmas wrote:
> I recently published my personal site and developed my personal CSS
> theme for Drupal 6.2.
> May some of you check the site with IE on Mac and, in general, with
> IE5.5, IE5.0, Opera and Safari for PC and Mac?
>
> http://www.cristianpalmas.it.
>
>
>   


Nice visual.
Drupal ain't easy...

Mac/Firefox/3.0.
At 1680 the "home" link container is flush left on a vertical drop line 
to "Love ... "
Some may find it hard to read the text links with the image background.
At 1024 +1 the blog drop-down draws an h-scroll bar (no big deal imo)

Mac/Safari/3.1.1, and Camino/1.6.1
At 1680 the "home" link container is flush left on a vertical drop line 
to "your" in Love your ... "
This not a particular issue, other than that at lower screen resolutions 
font scaling may cause an h-scroll bar for the drop-down.
The top h-nav and the bottom apron container break a little early with 
font-scaling.

Mac/Opera/9.27
FWIW (and I mean that-- don't throw yourself through a closed window), 
minimum font-size 32px is doing a bit of a number on it (I am at that 
setting for a testing purpose).



In general, text set in italics, will render with a bad case of the 
jaggies in a PC -- can't confirm w/ your age as my PC sleeps at the 
moment...

Parallels:
IE/7
At 1680 the h-nav has the same drop line as Mac/FF3.
This, again, not a particular issue, other than that at lower screen 
resolutions text-size "largest" scaling may cause an h-scroll bar for 
the drop-down.
Otherwise it looks fine...

IE/6
As above-- good to go, imo.

IE/5.5

The h-nav has some very minor issues-- not a big deal. I'd let it ride. 
Perfectly functional and usable...

IE/5.01

The left, right, and apron rounded corner boxes are doubled at their 
bottom. The "login" is probably not usable. All things considered< I'd 
leave it as is and go on to other things...



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Re: [css-d] Control clicks in Firefox and borders on elements

[David Laakso]

Wellington Fan wrote:
> Wellington Fan wrote:
>   
>> Please see this page and try control-clicking some of the table's 
>> cells. The
>> 
>
> Whoops. http://www.illuminoid.com/tables/
>
> --
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>   



Mac OS 10.4.11

Firefox3/Safari/Camino/Opera show red dashed borders as I believe you 
intend. Same for Parallels XP IE/7, IE/6, and latest stable Firefox on XP.

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Re: [css-d] Float doesn't shrink fit content under Safari - any workarounds?

[Timothy Armes]

Hello again,

Well I now have the gallery being displayed correctly in FF3 and
Safari by delivering the appropriate code changes.

Thank you for your help on this issue, I'm very impressed that you
found a solution.

The thing that's still grating on me is that I just don't understand
what's going on.  What are all the empty divs about?

Tim

On 6/12/08, Bruno Fassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Timothy Armes wrote:
>  >
>  > Is there no one that can help me on this issue?
>  >
>
> > > I'm struggling with a Safari float shrinking problem and I'm
>  > > desperately seeking a solution.  I've spent days on the issue now.
>  > >
>
> > > http://www.timothyarmes.com/gallery.php?lang=en-gb&sec=personal
>  > >
>
>
> In your page the "shrinking" container has two roles:
>  - maintaining a sort of fluid centering of the images
>  - providing the white border around them
>
>  I really believe the best way is to simplify and abandon the above
>  requirements (like in David's example.)
>
>  Anyway I played a little, and in Safari and Firefox 3  one can
>  probably get those effects using inline-blocks... See this
>  http://brunildo.org/test/test/armesgallery.html   I copied your html,
>  added some styles and some divs (all the rest: CSS, images, ...) is
>  still from your site.  This seems to "cure" Safari 3.1 and Firefox 3.
>  But breaks Fx2 (no support for inline-blocks) and IE: adjusting the
>  latter is possible, but for the former is going to be complicated. And
>  the result is going to be too fragile... The idea to "fake" a sort
>  extra-shrinking container is demonstrated here [1].
>  So, unless someone has a better idea, I would say again that's better
>  to go for something simpler.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Bruno
>
>  [1] http://brunildo.org/test/test/shrinkwrap7.html
>
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>
> Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test
>


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Re: [css-d] Site check

[David Laakso]

Cristian Palmas wrote:
> Thanks for the useful replies.
>   

RE:



>   
>> Nice visual.
>>
>> 
>> Mac/Firefox/3.0.
>>
>> At 1024 +1 the blog drop-down draws an h-scroll bar (no big deal imo)
>> 
>
> The h-scroll doesn't matter (I just noticed it) and I accepted to see
> that also on 800px-wide monitors.
> About the 1680px-wide monitor, well, I don't know how many people use
> that resolution. Anyway I think that I can set a max-width property
> too. What do you think?
>   




Neither the h-scroll, nor a high resolution (high dpi laptop, for 
example) monitor, is a /grave/ issue with your site. I just call what I 
see at this end from a 17" mac book pro. What, if anything, is 
appropriate to modify is up to you.




>   
>> Mac/Opera/9.27
>> FWIW (and I mean that-- don't throw yourself through a closed window), 
>> minimum font-size 32px is doing a bit of a number on it (I am at >that 
>> setting for a testing purpose).
>> In general, text set in italics, will render with a bad case of the jaggies 
>> in a PC -- can't confirm w/ your age as my PC sleeps at the >moment...
>> 
>
> I don't understand the issue about the 32px font-size.



Setting minimum font-size 24px in Firefox or minimum font-size 32px in 
Opera is simply a layout stress test (pushing the envelope). The 
font-sizing method you use does not do well at those settings, although 
changing it may not resolve all issues, either.




>  As the italics
> reguard, do you suggest to put it to normal or to change the
> font-family?
>   


If italic text font jaggies in a PC don't bother you leave it. Changing 
the font won't help. Setting it roman will.



>
>   


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Re: [css-d] Float doesn't shrink fit content under Safari - any workarounds?

[Bruno Fassino]

Timothy Armes wrote:
>
> Well I now have the gallery being displayed correctly in FF3 and
> Safari by delivering the appropriate code changes.
>
> Thank you for your help on this issue, I'm very impressed that you
> found a solution.
>
> The thing that's still grating on me is that I just don't understand
> what's going on.  What are all the empty divs about?
>
> > http://www.timothyarmes.com/gallery.php?lang=en-gb&sec=personal


You are welcome! The empty divs are the same number (8) of your albumBox
divs, and being inline-blocks can be centered without using your technique
with relative, -50%, ... which requires a shrink-wrapping container.
The first empty div is used as an anchor to start the positioning of your
divs which are stacked above the empty ones.
Moreover the empty divs are bigger of yours and partially overlapping to
provide the white background needed to simulate the presence of a white
shrink-wrapping container which is not really there.
Don't know if this clarifies things a bit...

I guess that you implemented the server-side switch for Safari since I get
the modified page in it (not with the Fx3 beta nightly build I'm using.)  As
I told you, I consider the whole thing a bit fragile, but well, it's surely
interesting :-)


Bruno

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Re: [css-d] CSS popup not popping in IE

[Rob Emenecker]

Nancy,

> Duncan, The script works perfectly, but I still don't 
> understand why it won't work in IE without the script since 
> the hover is for the a tag.

The CSS is actually targeting the SPAN element inside of the A element, not
the A element itself.

...Rob


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[css-d] Help needed with styling current in IE

[Tracy Shorrock]

Hi,

I'm using a CSS-only fly-out menu from CSSPlay (with permission) at  
client's site  
http://spa.awakenwomen.com/de/retreat_centre_welcome.php#maintext

Using the code below I've made it so that the flower (on the Retreat 
pages) and bubble (on the Spa pages) stay visible on the right-hand 
side menu to show which page you're currently on. This works in 
conjunction with the relevant links on the top horizontal menu (again 
the flower stays when you're on the retreat pages, the bubble when 
you're on the spa pages).

This works in Firefox on both Mac and PC, but in Internet Explorer 6 
the background images don't show up on the right-hand side menu. I 
can't figure out why IE isn't showing them as it shows the images when 
you hover over them (as it's supposed to).

The full CSS is at http://spa.awakenwomen.com/de/css/secondary.css (the 
menu stuff is towards the bottom of the page.

If anyone has a clue for me, it would be gratefully received.

Cheers,

Tracy

/* Current Page Formatting */
#wellness_page.well_home .menu ul li#current1,
#wellness_page.well_intro .menu ul li#current2,
#wellness_page.well_aim .menu ul li#current3,
#wellness_page.well_coord .menu ul li#current4,
#wellness_page.well_price .menu ul li#current5,
#wellness_page.well_prog .menu ul li#current6,
#wellness_page.well_spec .menu ul li#current7,
#wellness_page.well_book .menu ul li#current8
{
color: #008080;
font-weight: bold;  
background: transparent url(../../en/images/bullet_retreat.gif) 100% 
50% no-repeat;
}

#spa_page.spa_home .menu ul li#current1,
#spa_page.spa_ther .menu ul li#current2,
#spa_page.spa_equip .menu ul li#current3,
#spa_page.spa_fees .menu ul li#current4,
#spa_page.spa_open .menu ul li#current5,
#spa_page.spa_staff .menu ul li#current6,
#spa_page.spa_gift .menu ul li#current7,
#spa_page.spa_book .menu ul li#current8
{
color: #008080;
font-weight: bold;  
background: transparent url(../../en/images/bullet_spa.gif) 100% 50% 
no-repeat;
}

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Re: [css-d] Help needed with styling current in IE

[Bill Brown]

Tracy Shorrock wrote:
[snip]
> If anyone has a clue for me, it would be gratefully received.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tracy

Hi Tracy,

At first glance, it looks like IE6 is inheriting a background (or some
background color). Setting this in your style sheet ought to set things
right for you:

div.menu ul li a:link {background-color:transparent;}

In my tests, I placed it near the bottom of the header, but in theory it
should work in secondary.css just fine.

Hope it helps.
Bill Brown
TheHolierGrail.com
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Re: [css-d] Site check - cristi

[Cristian Palmas]

2008/6/13 Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 2008/06/12 17:09 (GMT+0200) Cristian Palmas apparently typed:
>
>> The link is http://www.cristianpalmas.it.
>
> Classic example of web users' biggest complaint:
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-crispa1.jpg
> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html
>
> Web browser defaults for each individual user are presumptively exactly best.
> Any other assumption in site styles is 100% rude, regardless that authoring
> practices to the contrary are pervasive on the web. If you don't like the
> browser defaults, YOU'RE supposed to change them in your own BROWER, not
> everyone else's via your corpulent stylesheets. No one else's needs changing,
> because they're presumptively perfect.
>
> The right time to do the right thing is always now, and not determined by
> majority behavior.
> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size
> http://tobyinkster.co.uk/article/web-fonts/
> http://www.dev-archive.net/articles/font-analogy.html
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html
> http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/bigdefaults.html
> http://www.cameratim.com/personal/soapbox/morons-in-webspace
>
> HTH
> --
> "Where were you when I laid the earth's
> foudation?"Matthew 7:12 NIV
>
>  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
>
> Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
>

Hi Felix,

Thanks for the useful links and for the advice.
I overrode the default font-size settings in order not to break the
graphic layout. Anyway, I will study as soon as possible solution to
the "home" and "blog" links image problems and font-size problems. And
I will see whether to change some background to improve readability,
too.
Regards.

-- 
~ Cristian Palmas ~
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