date:19981222

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This looks all the world like a conspiracy to rip off Steamshovel content. It's a
struggle to keep the damn thing going; please don't give away the store. $6 to POB
23715, St. louis, MO 63121 will get you a copy.

kt

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> In a message dated 12/22/98 1:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> << 1. There is a new issue of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An
>  excellent interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine
>  articles on all our favorites. Go out and find. >>
>
> Kris you have to post this interview, some of us have been absolutely DYING to
> get anything on the Finders for a long time now!  I will try to find the
> magazine but am not optimistic.
> Teo1000
>
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Trade War: US vs EU


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<< The fight involves a six-year dispute over European restrictions on the
import
 of bananas from Latin America. >>

Gosh makes you wonder who is behind this, as if we don't know. . .
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Re: [CTRL] God Bless You, Bill and Hillary!

1998-12-22 Thread A.C. Szul

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Baba Wawa has spoken.

This evening, in her annual ABC-TV special, ace reporter Baba Wawa, of 20/20 fame,
named our POTUS, Bill Clinton, the MOST fascinating person of 1998. Why?

Because he's the "tom sawyer of politics," she says.   And he's a "paradox," she
continues.

He screws 'round and everyone around him falls, Ms. Wawa says.  Ken Starr goes
after him, but Ken Starr's reputation is hurt. He fools around on his wife, and
she becomes an icon of sorts (cover of Vogue). He has an affair with a 21-yr old,
and she disappears from the public eye. He gets impeached, but may wiggle out of
this one yet. And so on

That's why Baba Wawa chose BC as the MOST fascinating person of 1998. But she
didn't tell us whether he's a good role model. I guess that's up to each and every
one of us.

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>
> Brian Redman, you are a better man than I, but for the sake of the Holidays, I
> say that neither the President nor his illegal activities nor his wife will be
> able to steal MY joy this season.  I will not bless them, because they simply
> don't deserve it, but until after the holidays neither will I curse them . . .
> unless they murder more innocent people in the meantime . . . there I go
> again. . .
> Teo1000
> Merry Christmas to All
>

-->snip>
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Re: [CTRL] Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread JYester

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In a message dated 12/21/98 10:14:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>
>  First, let me say that I do not dispute the results of these latest polls
>  regarding Clinton. I do, however have questions regarding the general stock
>  we Americans put in them:
>
>  1. At what time of day are these polls taken and what segment of the
>  population isnormally polled the most: those at home, work or school?
>
>  a. What portion of the United States is represented with respect to these
>  polls?
>
>  b. Is there any particular geographical location within the United States
>  that is polled  more than others?
>
>  2. Do any of the above factors have any influence on the outcome of polls?
>
>  3. If so, can these factors be manipulated to prove the argument of one
>  side or another on any particular issue?
>
>  4. Why, then, should Americans trust polls? I, for instance, could argue
>  that most Americans were FOR the impeachment of Clinton on the basis of the
>  results of regional polls taken by one of the local TV stations, which
>  typically come out in favor of his impeachment by a margin of two to one
>  (WXIA TV; Atlanta, GA as of 12-20-98).
>
>  5. If, as I contend, polls are intrinsically untrustworthy, why do we rely
>  on them almost exclusively as a reflection of the true "pulse" of the
nation?
>
>
>  Edward   ><>
>  [

The specific answers to your questions seem to be shrouded in secrecy.
Somebody would have to launch an investigation, maybe infiltrate the
pollsters.  I remember being polled a few years ago, although I can't recall
the content. What I do recall is that I had to tell the pollster that I
couldn't answer the first couple of questions yes or no because of the wording
of his questions. In that situation the questions consisted of a statement
followed by a question. Since my answer would depend upon acceptance of the
premise of the statement I couldn't offer a legitimate answer. In that
instance the poll was aborted because I was uncooperative. I also seem to
recall, although I am not certain, that the call came in during the day. I
haven't been called since and don't personally know anyone else who ever has.

As to the demographics you mention, if you want to hire me to do a poll in my
home town, I can get you whatever result you desire. 90% for or 90%
against. That's because I know my town. It's not unreasonable then to assume
that experts in demographics could get desired results in any town. For
example, it's my experience that in most cities you can rely on the majority
of the affluent to live in the NW and the "low wealth" (new PC term)
population to live near the center of town and in the SE. This demographic
information, if correct, would seem to be rather handy to pollsters. I also
understand that zip codes are easily interpreted to reveal demographics. The
whole point is that class distinctions based upon income levels are becoming
more and more distinct, and these distinctions can be associated with how well
informed individual class members are. As you suggest, it seems relatively
easy for pollsters to exploit these distinctions.

As to question #5, the fact is that poll results are self-perpetuating. It is
human nature to want to be part of the larger group (excepting of course
conspiracy theorists). It isn't that you and I rely on them as a reflection of
the pulse of the nation, it is more important that the "powers that be" rely
on them to influence the pulse of the nation.

It's interesting that when a "newstalk" radio station or an internet website
does a poll, you get results that conflict with those published by the
mainstream media. Hell, even AOL, whose subscribers aren't known for being the
shapest knives in the drawer, got a 58% result in favor of impeachment. But
all that this indicates is that internet users and listeners to talk radio
tend to be more thoughtful and better informed. What it does not indicate is
that this population is a majority. The bottom line answer to all of your
questions as well as many others is, "We are living in a decaying society."

Jim

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Re: [CTRL] Will bin Laden Retaliate?


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OH, OH!  If you see the local contingent of the BATF abandon their posts at
your city's Federal Building I would run for cover!  That naughty Bin Laden
may put 2,000, no it might be 4,000, wait it could possibly be 8,000, pounds
or more, of fuel oil and ammonium nitrate outside in a Ryder truck and blow it
up.  Then we'll have to find a way to blame the radical right wing while also
condemning Bin Laden and NOT pointing out the failure of our own security.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Stuff sitting on my scanner


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In a message dated 12/22/98 1:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< 1. There is a new issue of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An
 excellent interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine
 articles on all our favorites. Go out and find. >>

Kris you have to post this interview, some of us have been absolutely DYING to
get anything on the Finders for a long time now!  I will try to find the
magazine but am not optimistic.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Steamshovel Update

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um, I left this out:

http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma

Kenn Thomas wrote:

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> The Steamshovel site has been streamlined again--no more long download time on the 
>first
> page--and a new "Latest Word" column has been posted: Letter from the UK, by Robin
> Ramsay, editor/publisher of Lobster in England.
>
> Happy Solstice, CTRL crew!
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Re: [CTRL] God Bless You, Bill and Hillary!


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Brian Redman, you are a better man than I, but for the sake of the Holidays, I
say that neither the President nor his illegal activities nor his wife will be
able to steal MY joy this season.  I will not bless them, because they simply
don't deserve it, but until after the holidays neither will I curse them . . .
unless they murder more innocent people in the meantime . . . there I go
again. . .
Teo1000
Merry Christmas to All

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Re: [CTRL] Steamshovel Update


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The Steamshovel site has been streamlined again--no more long download time on the 
first
page--and a new "Latest Word" column has been posted: Letter from the UK, by Robin
Ramsay, editor/publisher of Lobster in England.

Happy Solstice, CTRL crew!

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[CTRL] Media Bypass

1998-12-22 Thread Linda Minor


http://www.4bypass.com/codebreak5.htm

This story starts around the 1830 era. The States and United States were
getting ripped off by the banks where they deposited their money. History
calls this the era of the great banking swindles. In order to protect
themselves, these corporations (the States and the United States) decided to
create their own Independent Treasury in 1840 under Van Buren's message of 5
Sept. 1837.  However, it was bitterly opposed by Henry Clay and Daniel
Webster who were Whigs, a party devoted to Nationalist tendencies. The
independent treasury bill, also known as the subtreasury or divorce bill,
was introduced in the Senate where it passed. It incorporated the
legal-tender amendment. This proviso called for a gradual reduction in the
acceptance of notes of specie-paying banks in payment of government dues
until 1841, when all payment should be made in legal tender.

This meant that the governments were now violating their   agreement of 1783
with the Crown and violating the obligation in the Constitution that only
the PRIVATE banks could issue paper money.  This scheme was instituted as
the first bank of the United States, which was run by foreign controlled
stockholders of the British realm. These foreign stockholders are listed in
the American Almanac and Repository for the year 1833, which was obtained
from the University of Lewisburg. John Marshall, the Chief Justice of the
supreme court is listed as having 3878 shares and the second largest foreign
stockholder. He ruled against the constitution when ruling for the bank in
the well known McCulloch case in Maryland. Conflict of interest runs rampant
in "government" now and then doesn't it? Because the hard money would show
the inflation of paper money, it had to be stopped to support the federal
reserve note by the Crown operating through the internationalist bankers.





 





 
GOING AFTER THE WRONG PEOPLE?
A TEST OF COMPREHENSION
BY THE INFORMER 
This could be a once upon a time story but for the fact that it is 
true... 
This story starts around the 1830 era. The States and United States 
were getting ripped off by the banks where they deposited their 
money. History calls this the era of the great banking swindles. In 
order to protect themselves, these corporations (the States and the 
United States) decided to create their own Independent Treasury in 
1840 under Van Buren's message of 5 Sept. 1837.  However, it was 
bitterly opposed by Henry Clay and Daniel Webster who were Whigs, a 
party devoted to Nationalist tendencies. The independent treasury 
bill, also known as the subtreasury or divorce bill, was introduced 
in the Senate where it passed. It incorporated the legal-tender 
amendment. This proviso called for a gradual reduction in the 
acceptance of notes of specie-paying banks in payment of government 
dues until 1841, when all payment should be made in legal tender. 
This meant that the governments were now violating their   agreement 
of 1783 with the Crown and violating the obligation in the 
Constitution that only the PRIVATE banks could issue paper money.  
This scheme was instituted as the first bank of the United States, 
which was run by foreign controlled stockholders of the British 
realm. These foreign stockholders are listed in the American Almanac 
and Repository for the year 1833, which was obtained from the 
University of Lewisburg. John Marshall, the Chief Justice of the 
supreme court is listed as having 3878 shares and the second largest 
foreign stockholder. He ruled against the constitution when ruling 
for the bank in the well known McCulloch case in Maryland. Conflict 
of interest runs rampant in "government" now and then doesn't it? 
Because the hard money would show the inflation of paper money, it 
had to be stopped to support the federal reserve note by the Crown 
operating through the internationalist bankers. 
This Independent Treasury called for all government payments and 
disbursements should be made in hard money after June 30, 1843 and 
sub-treasuries were established in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, 
St. Louis, New Orleans, Washington and Charlestown. This Act was 
repealed when the Whig Party gained control of the country. When the 
Whigs were defeated in 1844, the Independent Treasury was 
reestablished in 1846. 1 Every thing was as it should be because the 
Treasury now dealt in specie and tweaked the nose of the foreign

[CTRL] Jamie: Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread Edward Britton


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Jamie:

It's all part of a move toward mob rule, I guess. Given the cowardly nature
of ALL members of congress on this issue, those who claim that we are
strictly a democracy may not be wrong in function at least. Forget all this
hair-splitting about republics and governments of law. We ARE a democracy.

Edward   ><>
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Re: [CTRL] Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread A.C. Szul

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I wager that if we were to ask everyone on this list --about 400 plus-- and folks on
the other lists (MC, REPUB, RUSH, XPOLT, etc.) you'll find not one person who has
been "polled" or "interviewed" by Gallup or any of its sister polling organizations.

Hey, Mr. Andy Kohut, polling guru, who are you calling anyway?!

MShrum wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> What makes me so damn mad about these polls is the first one that came
> out that put Klinton up to 72% was from 519 people polled with a 4.5%
> error margin and they lead all the people on like they polled everyone
> in america.
>
> Michael
>
> m

-->snip>

It's a conspiracy right under our nose.

Regards,
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[CTRL] Is there such a thing as an "EOB?" Yup....

1998-12-22 Thread A.C. Szul





James Woods, Hollywood EOB (WPost, 12.22.98)

  Contrary to popular opinion, not all Hollywood Democrats are outraged at
  President Clinton's impeachment. At least one believes it's long overdue.

  Actor James Woods -- best known for his screen portrayals of lying,
  scheming, rotten and generally evil types -- thinks that the president
  deserved impeachment and, furthermore, that the Senate will end up
  removing Clinton from office. 

  Says Woods, 51, who litters his opinions with colorful but unprintable
  language, "He's a certified liar, a card-carrying liar, and lying is the cancer
  at the base of the spine of every crime ever committed." 

  The actor doesn't agree that the pursuit of Clinton is politically motivated,
  reports The Post's Sharon Waxman.

  "Political?" he bellows into the phone. "It's absolutely political suicide." He
  means for Republicans. "I don't even like Republicans by and large, but if
  they're doing this, maybe they're doing it because they believe in it." 

  Woods is actually angrier at Clinton for giving China access to militarily
  sensitive technology, but says that the impeachment is like "getting Al
  Capone for income tax evasion."

  Woods admits to being flawed himself. "When I lie, I'm wrong," he says.
  "I'm not a perfect person, but I have perfect ideals. This guy is a [expletive]
  sociopath. I'm ashamed to be a Democrat."

http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-12/22/065l-122298-idx.html
-->snip>
And Woods is a good actor too!!
Regards,
-A
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Re: [CTRL] The Finders and Patch Adams

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In a message dated 12/22/98 11:51:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> 1. There is a new issie of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An
>> excellant interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine
>> articles on all our favorutes. Go out and find.
>
>Thanks for the recommend!
>
>Here's some info on the Finders that does not appear in the issue. (CTRL
reaers
>unfamiliar with the Finders should know that the group has been accused of
being
>the pedophilic procurers for the intelligence community in DC. The groupd
denies
>the charge but does cop to the story that they had children in attendance at
a
>did
>a ritual goat sacrifice.):

 Thanks for the extra infoviews of Mr. Adams, personally, in reading Mr.
Petite's interview, I believe he left enough room to have his group being used
without 'his knowledge' for matters beyong 'his ken'. Also , I do believe it
would be very interesting to do some research on all those intel types and
others who hung around the finders. I am sure of very strict intell
procedures, especially that close to DC, would bring the Op under a very
strict need-to-know, and Mr. Petite may have wanted denability also.

Just innocent rural animal slaughter(sounds quite lame, to me and I don't mean
gold) or a layer of onion?

Hmm . .  Something to think about.

Like my daddy said, " Read it all and you will see that you learn much from
mis/dis. :-)

The Best to All this Season.
Om
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[CTRL] Standoff at the N.Pole!

1998-12-22 Thread Edward Britton


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All:

This is an interesting little tidbit. Whether or not it is cute depends
entirely on one's perspective:
~~
   NORTH POLE STANDOFF

A fierce battle ended in a stand-off today as a multi-jurisdictional task
force of
federal law enforcement agents tried to arrest the leader of a militant
doomsday
cult, who call themselves "Elves," living in a heavily fortified compound
at the
North Pole.  According to witnesses, federal agents hid in livestock
trailers as
they drove up to the compound.

The approach was difficult in the snow using wheeled vehicles. Several agents
were reportedly thrown from the trailer when it hit a  snow bank.  The agents
were unable to use dog teams and sleds because the ATF agents shot all the
dogs during training at a nearby recreational facility where agents had
practiced
for weeks on a mock-up of the compound in preparation for the raid.

As three National Guard helicopters approached, over 100 law officers stormed
the main compound, a heavily fortified gingerbread structure, throwing
concussion grenades and screaming "Come out!"  Cult members and law
officers negotiated a cease-fire about 45 minutes after the incident began.

For the next several hours, ambulances and helicopters swarmed the premises.
The area was cordoned off and ATF agents with machine guns were posted in
the roadways to keep reporters at least two miles from the main battle area.

In a lengthy report on the group Saturday, The North Pole Tribune-Herald said
that the cult was known to have a large arsenal of high-powered weapons,
probably produced in a workshop disguised as a "toy factory."  This toy
factory
is also believed to be the sight of a methamphetamine laboratory, according
to
sources inside the ATF.

The article quoted investigators as saying the crazed cult leader, who uses
several aliases, "Santa Claus," "Saint Nick," "Sinterclaas," and "Saint
Nicholas," age unknown, has abused children and claims to have at least 15
wives.  Santa Claus denies these accusations of abuse and said he has had
only one wife, Mrs. Santa Claus.

Authorities had a warrant to search the North Pole compound for guns and
explosive devices and an arrest warrant for its leader, Santa Claus, said
Mess
Stanford of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Washington, D.C.
Mr. Stanford added it would be useless to attempt to get a copy of this
warrant,
however, because it had been sealed, "for national security reasons."

The assault came one day after the North Pole Tribune-Herald began publishing
a series on the cult, quoting former members as saying the deranged cult
leader, Santa Claus, abused children and had at least 15 wives.

ATF spokesman Jack Killchildren in Washington said the assault had been
planned for several weeks, although he added, "I think the newspaper's
investigation set up heightened tension."

The cult's fortress, called "The Toy Factory," is dominated by a tower with
lookout windows facing in all directions. Guards reportedly patrol the
77-acre
grounds at night.

Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the raid after cult members refused to
surrender documents relating to national security.  A source inside the
Justice
Department said that the documents were lists of cabinet members and highly
placed government officials who were naughty or nice.  Despite preliminary,
secret negotiations to obtain the list, the Elves refused to surrender the
document to the Justice Department.

The raid was scheduled early, because December 25 is believed to be a
traditional cult holiday and all the militant elves would be engaged  in
cult rituals
in preparation for the event.

At a press conference this afternoon, Attorney General Reno said, "These
militants abuse children in the most vile manner, by teaching them to expect
charity.  They have even distributed free, working replicas of 'assault
weapons'
and 'handguns.'  It is a matter of dire importance to our future and the
future of
all our children, that this peril be ended by every means at our disposal."
She
went on to say that "I do not want to surround the compound and shoot
everyone and then burn it to the ground in order to prevent this child
abuse from
occurring again, but that appears to be our only alternative."

According to Reno, the "Toy Factory" itself is a sweatshop and conditions
inside were horrendous.  The Department of Justice is also looking into
allegations of animal cruelty.  Former members of the cult have claimed that
Santa Claus frequently uses leather restraints on at least eight reindeer,
housed in sordid conditions on the compound.

Witnesses reported seeing a reindeer with a protruding red nose, which Janet
Reno said was further indication of the abusive conditions inside the
compound.
Several of the elves were reported by the BATF to have been carrying
automatic weapons.  However, independent sources dispute this, claiming that
the "automatic weapo

[CTRL] The Nisga'a Treaty-IT HAS PROFOUND IMPLICATIONS FOR ALL OF N. AM.

1998-12-22 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Scorned Public WILL Have The Last Word.

From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dear Editor: The rhetoric of Rafe Mair's Dec. 20, 1998 column "Scorned
Public Will Have The Last Word" was pretty firey:
"British Columbians, whether they realize it or not are rejecting their
political system.";
"The Nisga'a Treaty...is also more importantly about the right of a
people to decide major issues.";
"In their constipated little minds they think that the public can be
tricked into forgetting that they had no say in the Nisga'a deal.";
"This collision between a pissed off electorate and their masters is now
certain to happen."
   And there is the crux of the matter. In the Victoria Parliament we
have 75 people who suffer from the delusion that they are the masters of
the CITIZENS of BC rather than the servants. We, the CITIZENS of BC will
cure their deluded, constipated little minds either the easy way or the
hard way. The easy way is that they provide leadership towards the new
and imminent direct, electronic democracy. The hard way is that we get
there by the market growth of the internet which according to Forbes of
Dec., 1998 is now accessed by 28% of households in the US and growing fast.
When we get there by the second route we will remember who played "dog
in the manger" of a "democratic society" (to use the exact phrase from
the Canadian Constitution/Charter of Rights and Freedoms).
   The only thing I disagree with in the Rafe Mair article is his
targeting of the NDP and no other party. After all, he did say it is the
political SYSTEM which BC is rejecting and that is correct. Knowingly or
unknowingly he is echoing Ross Perot on CNN last week when Perot said
repeatedly that it is the political SYSTEM of North America which is corrupt.
Lest you think I am a "Reformer" let me set that straight. I see that
with Reform too there is a corrupt and deceitful party and perhaps a few
honourable politicians labouring under its lies.
   Now let me suggest a constructive alternative which Gordon Campbell
and his Liberal Official Opposition can follow IF they are sincere about
involving the CITIZENS of BC in the Nisga'a Treaty process. They call for
a referendum under the Referendum Act. Was this a deliberate attempt to
deceive the CITIZENS of BC? What do most of us expect of this? That we
will be involved in discussing the terms of the treaty perhaps; that our
ratifying vote will be binding for sure. But the Referendum Act does not
obligate the Government to either. Please ask Mr. Mair if he thinks this
is a deliberate deception by Gordon Campbell and the further heaping of
contempt upon those whose birthright by Constitution is a "democratic
society". After all, don't the Liberals say with great moral fervour that
this Nisga'a Treaty is a CONSTITUTIONAL matter?
  Here then are proposed steps in a constructive alternative and the
Chief Electoral Officer's office is cc'd above, invited to correct any
errors in the recommended procedure:
(1) The Liberals will set up petitioning stations in each riding and
proceed by way of the 1996 Recall and Initiative Act instead of the
Referendum Act. It will take about 20 stations per riding to be
equivalent to the number of voting stations in a provincial election;
(2) I have suggested that if they are going to do this they might as well
set up internet kiosks at the same time but I'll leave the details of
this out for now as they are too involved for the present letter;
(3) There is a criticism of petitioning under the 1996 Act because of
vote privacy. Most of that can be remedied by instructing those at the
petitioning stations to cover all preceding signatures;
(4) The end result will be an initiative (which most people would call a
referendum) and a tally of signatures verified as to accuracy by the
Chief Electoral Officer's Office. It will be a VOTE. How to make it
binding on the Legislature? By suggesting to any MLA defying the clear
vote of his or her constituents that the next step may well be a RECALL
action which is 100% binding and the Liberal Party may lead that recall
action.
   This procedure is much better than an uncertain and delayed procedure
under the Referendum Act which smacks of Preston Manning-like treachery
against a "democratic society". In the final analysis the politicians who
receive this email (most MLA's) would do well to remember what Toynbee,
the his

Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes & Alan J.Pakula

1998-12-22 Thread KA

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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Source - Richard wrote:
>I think this whole concept is uncanny. Has anyone done any research
>into this field???

Yeah...but they've all died in mysterious car crashes...   ;-)

>May i just add that Rik Mayall had a serious accident last year. I'm
>happy to report that he is OK though. But does that mean he is safe in
>future??

Well, there's that case of the drummer for...?

Here I go again...can picture the guy, but draw a blank on his name and
the name of the band he was with...I want to say 'Iron Butterfly' but
don't hold me to it...

But he was involved in some 'interesting' stuff...and just went missing a
few years back...last verified whereabouts was on the highway a few miles
from his home (from cellphone records), told his wife he'd be home soon,
right after meeting with someone...

And he was never seen again...and his car was found at the airport, but
no evidence he ever took a flight out of the airport...

And a few people have claimed to have seen him at various places around
the globe...from all accounts, he had a great marriage, adored his kids,
and was doing well financially...so it doesn't seem to be a case of
someone taking a powder to get out of an uncomfortable situation...

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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

1998-12-22 Thread Barb Witt


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What a romantic you are, Hugh!  What's that line of M. Johnson's about the
only right is might??

Barb

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>
>As far as "native populations" go, since I'm Native American, I find it
>odd that European Americans assume that we needed YOU to give us our
>rights to begin with.  How glorious  The land was initially ours...we
>had our own religion...our own concepts of political and property
>rights...(read of the Iroquois Confederacy for its influence on the
>Constitution you esteem).
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>> In a message dated 98-12-18 06:21:15 EST, you write:
>>
>> << It WAS founded on liberty, albeit a flawed one...
>>
>>  But what other country in 1776 (or 1783) gave social and political
>>  liberty to blacks, women, or native populations?
>>
>>  At least the founding fathers gave us a document whereby we could
>>  peacefully and legally alter the government via the amendment process, so
>>  that we COULD at a later date include these populations in the
>>  electorate...
>>
>>  And they gave us a document that spells out the peaceful and legal
>>  process whereby the electorate (thru their elected representatives) are
>>  able to remove officials in public office who are guilty of misconduct in
>>  office, including the President... >>
>>
>>  Very well stated June.  The Constitution is not cast in iron, but is
>> flexible to change as conditions change.  And, it has been changed... 27
>> times!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob Stokes
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[CTRL] Vatican Says in Contact with EU on Adopting Euro (Reuters)


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Vatican Says in Contact with EU on Adopting Euro


Reuters
22-DEC-98

VATICAN CITY, Dec 22 (Reuters) - The Vatican, which has decided to adopt the
euro, said on Tuesday the European Union had agreed to negotiations regarding
financial transactions and the minting of the currency.

Chief Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls, a close aide of Pope John Paul,
said in a statement that all the details of adopting the currency at the
Vatican now had to be worked out.

"The European Union's monetary committee has acknowledged the Vatican's
decision to adopt the euro and has said it is disposed to negotiating all that
this involves, including financial transactions and the minting of the
currency," Navarro-Valls said.

The spokesman made no mention of whether the Pope's image would be stamped on
euro coins.

The European Commission said on Monday the Vatican, the principality of Monaco
and the republic of San Marino could have their designs on the back of some
euro coins when they are issued in 2002.

The Vatican and San Marino have long-standing agreements on monetary and
foreign exchange issues with the Bank of Italy while Monaco has a similar
arrangement with the Bank of France.

The three independent states will from January 1 next year hand competence in
these areas over to the European Central Bank, based in Frankfurt. The
hand-over requires new legislation.

"The Commission recommends the EU allows these countries to use the euro as
their official currency and to grant legal tender status to euro banknotes and
coins," the EU executive said.


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[CTRL] Mobil Pushes Ahead with Big Kazakh Oil Plans (Reuters)


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Mobil Pushes Ahead with Big Kazakh Oil Plans


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22-DEC-98

ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - The head of U.S. oil major Mobil Corp. said
Tuesday the company would push ahead with its three big oil and transportation
projects in ex-Soviet Kazakhstan despite the slump in world crude prices.

"Our objective in Kazakhstan has not changed," Mobil Chairman and CEO Lucio
Noto told Kazakh Prime Minister Nurlan Balgimbayev in the capital of Astana.

He named the TengizChevroil onshore production venture with Chevron of the
United States and Russia's LUKoil, the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) and
the offshore OKIOC international consortium as Mobil's priorities.

At Tengiz he forecast crude output from the huge field to reach 240,000 to
250,000 barrels per day by early 2000 thanks to a new processing unit, the
cost of which he pegged at $600 million.

Current production was around 200,000 bpd, he added. Mobil has 25 percent in
the venture and Chevron 45 percent.

Two new wells also had been drilled at Tengiz, Noto told Balgimbayev, and they
would be tested in 1999.

Noto said the $2.2 billion CPC route, linking Tengiz with Russia's Black Sea
oil export outlet of Novorossiisk, would reduce transportation costs for
Tengiz partners by around $3 per barrel. Mobil's CPC stake is 7.5 percent.

He added that the Offshore Kazakhstan International Operating Company (OKIOC),
in which Mobil has a one-seventh equity share, will have spent around $500
million by the time it completes its first test drilling next year.

Mobil would not be looking at major new deals in the resource-rich Central
Asian state until three priority projects were completed, Noto told reporters
after meeting Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev.

"Our view is that we have enough on the table right now," he said. "When we
finish all these, if you want me to do something, then I'll do it," he had
told Balgimbayev earlier.

Mobil had already invested around $1 billion in Kazakhstan, he estimated.

Noto said that Mobil's planned merger with fellow U.S. oil giant Exxon would
not affect investments in Kazakhstan. Both companies had expressed their
commitment to exploration in the Caspian region.

Nazarbayev values the support of major Western investors highly, and
Kazakhstan is pinning its long term economic hopes on an oil and gas
production boom early next century.


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[CTRL] Ugandan Parliament Halts Privatisation Process (Reuters)


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Ugandan Parliament Halts Privatisation Process


Reuters
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KAMPALA, Dec 22 (Reuters) - Uganda's parliament has voted to suspend the sale
of public enterprises until the government amends privatisation laws to reduce
corruption.

The vote came on Monday and is an extension of a ban imposed by parliament in
August over allegations of rampant graft.

The vote followed two weeks of debate on a parliamentary report which said the
privatisation process was riddled with corruption and called for the dismissal
of four ministers.

Privatisation Minister Matthew Rukikaire resigned last week to take
responsibility for the problems in his department.

Parliament had called for the resignation of three other ministers but on
Monday softened its stand. Instead, it has forwarded to the president a motion
of censure against just one other, Plannning and Investment Minister Sam
Kutesa.

Parliament also said it wanted a halt to the illegal sale of a 49 percent
stake in state-controlled Uganda Commercial Bank (UCB).

Major-General Caleb Akandwanaho, known as Salim Saleh, has admitted buying the
49 percent stake in UCB from Malaysian firm Westmont Land Bhd , in breach of a
contract in which Westmont bought the stake from the government.

Saleh, Museveni's younger brother, resigned his government post as
presidential military adviser after his admission.

MPs recommended that Saleh be charged in court and that money which UCB lent
him and his associates be recovered.

World Bank economist Robert Blake said genuine concerns had been raised about
the management of the privatisation process but added he had hoped these would
be addressed without halting the process.

"The privatisation process is moving into areas involving the big
parastatals," he told Reuters in the capital Kampala.

"These parastatals pose the largest cost on the economy and it would be
unfortunate if the process was halted."

State utilities due for sale include Uganda Electricity Board, Uganda
Telecommunications Ltd and Uganda Railways.

Earlier this month, foreign donors pledged $2.2 billion to Uganda in budget
and project support, conditional on a greater will to fight official
corruption.

The privatisation process started in 1992 and has seen the sale of 87 of the
targeted 105 public enterprises and parastatals.

It is at the centre of Uganda's economic reform programme which has seen an
average economic growth rate of six percent in the last decade.

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[CTRL] FBI Task Force to Target NW Hate Groups (UPI)


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FBI Task Force to Target NW Hate Groups


UPI
22-DEC-98

SPOKANE, Wash., Dec. 22 (UPI) _ FBI agents have confirmed that a special task
force is being formed in the Northwest to handle the growing number of
domestic terrorism cases in eastern Washington, northern Idaho and Montana.

The Spokane Spokesman-Review newspaper reported today that details have not
been revealed, but special agents say the force will monitor anti-government
and white supremacy groups that have been behind acts of terrorism in the
region over the past 16 years.

Special Agent Burdena Pasenelli told the newspaper ``This is the first time in
the history of the FBI that two field offices have come together to form a
task force to look at an ongoing criminal problem.''

The force will reportedly involve the participation of at least three dozen
federal, state and local officers from three states.

It will use offices in Spokane, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho and Helena, Mont.

Of the three acts of domestic terrorism reported in the United States in 1996,
two occurred in Spokane when members of a militia group bombed buildings and
robbed banks. Four men believed to have ties to anti- government groups were
convicted of the crimes.

The third incident was the pipe bomb explosion at the Olympics in Atlanta that
killed one person.

Spokane's FBI agents have increased from five a decade ago to nearly a dozen
and Coeur d'Alene, which had just one FBI agent in 1984, now has seven agents.
The additional agents were assigned after Congress approved funding for 500
new agents nationwide following the 1995 bombing of the federal building in
Oklahoma City.

North Idaho is home to the Aryan Nations white supremacist group.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Latest: Habsburg Scandal

 Isn't "World Vision" a CIA front?

Subject: Archduke Karl involved in a scandal!
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Austrian politicians yesterday called on Archduke Karl, grandson of the last
Austro-Hungarian emperor, to resign from the European Parliament over
allegations that charitable donations were funneled into his electoral
campaign.

Archduke Karl, a member of the conservative People's Party, is also one of the
directors of the disgraced charity, World Vision Austria.  Two of his closest
associates were arrested recently for allegedly misappropriating 15 million
schillings ($1.3 million) meant to help children in developing countries.
Archduke Karl is not suspected of any wrongdoing and is not suspected of any
involvement in the fraud.

He has denied that he knew where the money came from and has offered to pay
for an audit to say to what extent his recent election campaign was supported
by charity money.

Arturo Beeche
Publisher of The European Royal History Journal
Bookseller at http://www.eurohistory.com

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[CTRL] Fwd: Trade War: US vs EU






U.S., EU May Be in for Trade War

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States and the 15-nation European Union are
squaring off for a possibly nasty trade war that could make luxury items such
as French handbags and European cashmere sweaters scarce on American store
shelves.

The fight involves a six-year dispute over European restrictions on the import
of bananas from Latin America.

The Clinton administration announced Monday that it plans to slap punitive
tariffs of 100 percent early next year on hundreds of millions of dollars in
European imports, effectively doubling their price, to compensate U.S. banana
companies for their lost sales to Europe.

The tariffs will not go into effect until probably March 3, giving both sides
time to resolve the dispute, something U.S. Trade Representative Charlene
Barshefsky said she still hoped would occur.

``Our door remains open to a negotiated solution,'' she said in a statement.

But EU Trade Minister Leon Brittan immediately denounced the U.S. sanction
threat and said the Europeans planned to bring their own case challenging the
right of the United States to act unilaterally to impose sanctions under a
U.S. trade law known as Section 301.

``It is time to take action against the pernicious and unlawful effect of this
wholly unilateral trade legislation,'' Brittan said.

The items subject to the punitive tariffs range from clothing such as
expensive cashmere sweaters and French and Italian handbags to sheep's milk
cheese, British biscuits and German coffee makers.

Because their price in American stores would essentially double overnight,
stores would be less likely to carry them, assuming shoppers would prefer
similar products not subject to the tariffs.

Wine, which was on a preliminary sanction list, was left off the final list at
the request of American wine makers who expressed concerns that the punitive
sanctions could, in turn, harm their sales in Europe.

The World Trade Organization, the Geneva-based organization that serves as the
arbiter of trade disputes, ruled in September 1997 that European import rules
unfairly discriminate against Latin American-grown bananas in favor of bananas
grown in former British and French colonies in the Caribbean, Africa and
Pacific islands.

That ruling, which was upheld by a WTO appeals panel, required the EU to end
the discrimination against Latin American bananas. While the EU has made
modifications to its banana rules, the United States contends those changes
are merely cosmetic and don't meet the WTO objections.

The Clinton administration is pushing the case because American companies,
including Chiquita Brands International Inc. and Dole Food Co., grow their
bananas mostly in Latin America.

Chiquita has said its market share has fallen from 50 percent in Europe to 20
percent because of the European import restrictions, costing it more than $1
billion annually in lost sales.

With America's trade deficit running at a record level, U.S. trade experts
argue that the United States had little choice but to act against the EU for
failing to abide by the trade group's ruling.

``There are increasing voices in the United States questioning the wisdom of
international trade and globalization,'' said Greg Mastel of the Economic
Strategy Institute, a Washington think tank.

A coalition of farm groups including the American Farm Bureau Federation
issued a statement Monday applauding the administration action: ``By insisting
that our trading partners play by the rules, we are fighting to preserve the
integrity and effectiveness of the global trading system.''

The United States specifically exempted products from Denmark and the
Netherlands from the sanctions list because they were the only nations who
voted against the banana rules.

[CTRL] Fwd: Recession looms









The New Australian

America: running on empty and heading for recession
By Gerard Jackson
No. 99,   7-13 Dec. 1998

First the bad news:  America will go into recession.  Now for the good news:
I expect this to happen under Clinton.  (I don't hold him responsible, I just
consider it ironic justice.)  The editorial in issue No. 92 (19-25 October
1998) predicted, using Austrian analysis, that the U.S. economy would slide
into recession and that the symptoms were already emerging.  Despite claims to
the contrary, Greenspan's rate cuts can do nothing to reverse the situation.

Let us first take a look at received economic wisdom (otherwise known as
Keynesian fallacies).  According to this Greenspan's interest rate cuts will
stimulate the economy by increasing the level of spending through credit
expansion.  That the U.S. has been on a spending binge which has helped fuel
the stock market is certainly clear.  What is not clear to these economists is
that this policy laid the foundations for the coming recession.  That most
economists are unable to detect the true link
between the stock market and consumer spending was made apparent when they
expected the 20 percent drop in the Dow between July and December to curb
consumer spending.  The reason it did not is because both are fueled by the
same source  the Fed. Consumer spending is not, never has been and never will
be, a function of stock market prices.

Unable to free themselves of Keynesian thinking, the failure of the Dow drop
to check consumption was interpreted as meaning that consumers are convinced
that the good times will keep on rolling and so maintained their optimism and
spending.  Consumers never even noticed the Dow.  So long as their incomes
appear secure, they will just keep on spending.  In fact, American consumers
are spending so much the savings ratio has turned negative, something that has
not happened since the depths of the Great Depression:  for this you can thank
Lord Keynes and his disciples.  Without savings, the American economy  or any
other economy, for that matter  cannot accumulate capital.  And it is capital
that raises living standards, not Federal manipulation of interest rates.  In
other words, the American economy is running on empty.  Concentrating on
consumption spending is a fatal mistake.  Consumption does not drive economies
and is only a small part of total economic activity.*  This gross error has
led some economic observers to speculate that the booming service sector will
be the "powerhouse" that will offset slowdowns in any other part of the
economy.  Austrian analysis comletely explodes this myth and we shall now see
why.

The Austrians show that by forcing down the rate of interest the Federal
Reserve misleads businesses, especially in the higher stages of production,
into thinking that the fund of real capital has expanded.  They therefore
embark on projects for which the capital goods necessary for their completion
do not exist.  This makes itself felt through various shortages and
bottlenecks.  As these start to appear many
businesses begin suffer a cost-price squeeze as prices are no longer
sufficient to maintain expansion or even cover factor costs.  Nevertheless,
the so-called service sector, the one closest to consumption, undergoes a boom
with rising demand and employment.  There is no paradox here.

Factors must be paid.  Companies that responded to the low interest rates used
the addtional funds to bid up the prices of capital goods and specific types
of labor, which obviously raised their costs of production.  This additional
expenditure translated into factor incomes which were then spent on
consumption goods.  This in turn raised demand at the consumption end of the
production structure.  The increased demand made itself felt throughout the
structure by bidding factors away from the higher stages.  To aggravate the
situation savings actually became negative, meaning that the social rate of
time preference was leaving nothing for investment.  The pool of real funds
had run dry.  These higher-stage investments will now turn out to be
malinvestments, unsound investments that will have to be liquidated. But
before these investments are abandoned they will start bleeding financially.
Unable to cover their costs of production they will have to cut outlays, sell
their inventories for what they can get and institute lay-off.

This is exactly what is happening: manufacturing and mining are beginning to
suffer a profit squeeze.  Corporate profits are falling, lay-off are on the
rise, inventories are being run down and outlays are being cut.  Some
financial commentators are claiming that the slowdown is already as bad as the
1990-91 recession.  And all of this without even a credit squeeze. (The
Austrians have always stressed that even without a credit squeeze the crisis
will still emerge.)  Astute observers realise that the crisis has nothing to
do with Asia.  However, unable to explain it, especially

[CTRL] Sex Scrutiny Casts Pall Over U.S. Public Office (Reuters)


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Sex Scrutiny Casts Pall Over U.S. Public Office

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The closer scrutiny of politicians' sex lives is
making private acts increasingly public as a sex magazine publisher
Tuesday threatened to expose more lawmakers over alleged transgressions.

The year of one sexual revelation after another has taken a toll on both the
Democratic White House and Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives.

 The impact on public life and those who seek it can only be negative,
analysts said.

``It's hard to imagine a greater disincentive to enter public life,'' said
Thomas Mann, director of governmental studies at the Brookings Institution.

The year was marked by the release of graphic details about President
Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

That was followed by some House Republican critics of Clinton admitting to
extramarital affairs when it became clear that details of the affairs were
going to be published.

Consequences for both sides have been harsh.

Clinton became only the second president in U.S. history to be impeached. The
charges against him stemmed from attempts to cover up an affair near the Oval
Office with the former White House intern.

The incoming House speaker, Bob Livingston, a Louisiana Republican, took the
most dramatic step by resigning on the morning of the impeachment vote last
Saturday. That came two days after he publicly admitted to extramarital
affairs.

The message, Rep. Barney Frank said after Livingston's announcement, was: ``Be
careful.''

The Massachusetts Democrat noted that among the Republicans recently admitting
to affairs, Livingston was the only one to resign. Frank said that  suggested
that ``the higher up you go, the more careful you've got to be.''

It was the higher-ups that Larry Flynt, publisher of the sex magazine
``Hustler,'' was chasing with his $1 million bounty.

The monetary offer made in early October was for stories from people who
proved they committed adultery with members of Congress or other high-ranking
government officials.

``We've offered up to a million dollars. And I tell you, Livingston is only
the first,'' Flynt said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' Tuesday.

``There are more shoes to fall ... It could be as many as a dozen.
Investigations are ongoing now,'' Flynt said, adding that the magazine
intended to publish names.

Some people said the exposures have resulted from a desire to unveil hypocrisy
in the ranks of lawmakers sitting in judgement of the president. ``We just
wanted to expose the hypocrisy in Washington. They should not have any
skeletons in their closet,'' Flynt said.

Exposing politicians' indiscretions would give pause to people in public
office, analysts said.

``For people who are in office, I suspect there are a number of sleepless
nights,'' said Norman Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute.

It would also be a hindrance to those considering public office. ``It has to
do with what by any standards would be private things, suddenly  becoming
public,'' Ornstein said.

The under-the-covers investigations had been political tit-for-tat by
Democrats and Republicans, some analysts said.

``Now we're in an arms race. It's ugly, it's destructive,'' Mann of Brookings
said.

He said it was unfortunate that Livingston resigned. ``The only way to defeat
it is to stand fast and fight it out,'' Mann said, adding he was not
criticizing the lawmaker, because in the end ``these are personal decisions.''


It would be a negative development if the current climate resulted in
essentially a band of government officials whose main criteria were never
having sinned sexually, Ornstein said.

``There are other criteria that ought to be more dominant ones for who should
be in public office,'' he said.


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[CTRL] Capitol Punishment


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Yahoo! NewsTop Stories Headlines Tuesday December 22 11:32 AM ET

Republican Congressmen Seek Clinton Compromise


Reuters Photo


By David Wiessler

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Four Republican congressmen who voted to impeach
President Clinton joined with those seeking presidential censure Tuesday by
urging the Senate to consider options short of removal from office.

The Senate faces the prospect of only the second presidential trial in
history and since the last was 130 years ago there is little precedent.
Senators were debating how to go about trying Clinton on two articles of
impeachment.

The White House, where Clinton was going through the typical holiday
motions of Christmas parties coupled with presidential duties, was
preparing a trial defense while at the same time indicating a willingness
to compromise short of removal from office.

Adding to the compromise effort was the letter the four moderate
Republicans -- Reps. Michael Castle of Delaware, Jim Greenwood of
Pennsylvania and Sherwood Boehlert and Benjamin Gilman, both of New York --
sent to the Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott and released Tuesday.

The lawmakers said they did not want their votes Saturday to impeach
Clinton ``interpreted to mean that we view removal from office as the only
reasonable conclusion of this case.''

Instead, they said the Senate should consider options that included ``a
tough censure proposal, which would impose a fine and block any pardon.''

The House of Representatives approved by mostly party-line vote two
articles of impeachment, each of which ended by saying Clinton's actions
warrant ``removal from office.'' The articles allege perjury and
obstruction of justice in Clinton's handling of the Monica Lewinsky affair.

White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said the letter showed that Republican
leaders had rammed impeachment through the House and if they had allowed a
vote on censure it would have passed.

``This letter is a positive sign that members on the Hill ... don't believe
that the president should be removed from office and want to find a
bipartisan way to put this behind us in a prompt manner,'' he said.

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan was less charitable, telling CNN the
letter shows ``how partisan that process was.''

``I sure wish they had said that to their colleagues and to themselves
prior to their vote in the House,'' Levin said. ``It seems that would have
been a more timely place and time to make that point.''

The Senate would need a two-thirds majority, or 67 votes, to remove Clinton
from office and since there are only 55 Republicans it appears unlikely
that would happen.

Clinton has refused to resign, despite calls to do so from some
Republicans. His job approval ratings approach or exceed 70 percent in
several major public opinion surveys.

Sen. Robert Byrd, a West Virginia Democrat admired for his 40 years of
service in the Senate and for his knowledge of its history and procedures,
left open the possibility of censure but said it must originate with the
senators.

``We are now navigating in previously uncharted waters, but one thing is
clear: For the good of our nation, there must be no 'deal' involving the
White House or any entity beyond the current membership of the U.S.
Senate,'' Byrd said Monday.

Lockhart said Tuesday the White House agreed the situation should be
resolved by the Senate and ``we look forward to that happening and finding
a bipartisan solution to end this quickly.''

The only other impeachment trial, in 1868, occurred in an entirely
different political and cultural climate after the Civil War. Andrew
Johnson was acquitted by one vote.



>From Irish Times

Tuesday, December 22, 1998Carter and Ford call for censure, not
impeachment

Spectre of McCarthy
haunts Zippergate

At war with Iraq, the President and at odds with the country, the US
capital has begun to consume its own, writes Jonathan Freedland, in
Washington

The Washington Monument, that sharp needle that pops out of the skyline of
America's capital, is not looking so good just now. It's clad in
scaffolding from top to bottom, necessary for some mid-winter repairs. And
it makes an unsettling sight.

For one thing, it could be a cartoonist's depiction of Washington's 1998
obsession with sex. The bolt upright monument has always had a phallic
significance; now it looks as if it's sheathed in a condom. But there's a
less crude reading. The sight of a national landmark propped up by poles
and planks captures the current mood of the city: Washington is falling
down.

For in these dying days of 1998, the American capital has felt like a place
in drastic trouble. At war with Iraq, at war with its President and at odds
with the country, it has begun to consume its own. Washington has become
the town that ate itself.

The first victim is,

Re: [CTRL] Media of the Absurd


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I keep thinking about the possibility of having a totally open society
where anyone can be anything at any time they want -- and no one blinks an
eye.  Unfortunately, like some who use various substances and do so
ineffectively or to excess and just can't maintain.  For those, it becomes
the "Rule of Law" (is that a redundant phrase?) and every square peg has to
fit in every square hole and the same goes for round, triangular, et
cetera.  There has to be a nice neat little pattern or life just becomes
incomprehensible.

JFK, after some political cataclysm (the Bay of Pigs I think), had his
popularity rise also.  I recall having heard (via an A&E special --
biography) his remark that the more he screwed up the more he was liked.
Same with Billio:  the deeper he gets into trouble the more pathos he seems
to draw.  He's the recipient of agape.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him
wandering around the WH grounds wearing a caftan and experiencing Nature,
communing with the cosmos.

When I sent the original post I kept thinking of Janis singing "Me and
Bobby MacGee":  "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose ..."
Maybe that's the attraction; a sense of the strong resulting from having a
person's life laid bare.  Maybe the emperor is the emperor because he has
no clothes; his subjects are the real fools.


A<>E<>R

The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes
but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

--
: From: Gerald Harp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Media of the Absurd
: Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 10:58 AM
:
:  -Caveat Lector-
:
: In a message dated 12/21/98 8:28:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:
: > there could be the sense that NOTHING matters
: >  any more.
:
: Excellent post, Alamaine.
:
: Your insight is right on target.  This also holds for the impeachment of
: course.  The notion of impeachment is now so watered down that it is
nearly
: meaningless in the public mind in so far as opprobrium is concerned.  His
: approval rating rises!  In Nixon's case, had there been an impeachment it
: would have been tantamount to a criminal conviction.  What will be the
end of
: this dumbing down of old taboos?  It is a bit scary.
:
: Jerry

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[CTRL] Imperialia: Plans for Iraq


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What's interesting from an American historical perspective, is the great
amount of planning over Iraq -- military, economic, political, and so on.
In them olden days, they just went in and subjugated populations and
acquired property.  Now, they seem to have the need to stand back -- like a
sculptor -- and chip and pound and hack away at the object of their
intentions until it becomes pleasing to the mind's eye.  And, that poor
piece of granite known as Saddam -- eventually he'll be just a chip off the
old block ... I keep thinking of pioneers and settlers and land rushes and
it all seems to be the same thing -- just a hundred and some years later in
a different part of the world ...


>From ArabicNews.CoM

Kuwaiti Cabinet discusses recent military strikes against Iraq
Kuwait, Politics, 12/22/98

The Kuwaiti daily al-Watan quoted well-informed sources as saying that the
Kuwaiti Cabinet has discussed what was broadcast by various mass media on
the recent air strikes against Iraq.

The sources added that there were contradictory and different views and
that the Cabinet ministers agreed on the fact that the level of media
coverage was not up to the event after "others could overturn the facts, a
matter which led to demonstrations all over the world."

The sources explained that the Cabinet noted the demonstrations and
objections had a great impact and were one of the key reasons to taking the
decision to suspend the military strikes.

The source noted that the Kuwaiti Cabinet paid no attention to the
demonstrations carried out in Egypt but highlighted the demonstration held
in Syria. The ministers had unanimous views that the Syrian demonstration
aimed at conveying a message to the US, especially concerning the Middle
East peace process.

France calls for changes in UNSCOM
Iraq, Politics, 12/22/98

French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine on Monday said that the
international community needs to put in place a system of continuous
control over Iraqi weapons.

In an interview granted to RFI radio the French Foreign Minister added that
a weapons-control program should be carried out by a modified version of
UNSCOM.

"It should be possible to bring an end to the inspections geared to the
past and now find a detection mechanism enabling us to be sure that Iraq
doesn't once more become a threat in the future, a method of controlling
its arms and the use of the financial income, so that the money isn't
misappropriated and used to rearm," Vedrine said, adding that
implementation of such a mechanism would allow for sanctions against Iraq
to be reconsidered.

He said that the US-British air strikes had created a new situation, but
there were not significant differences between France and its international
partners on ways to deal with Iraq.

Islamic communities representatives meet with British officials on Iraq
Iraq, Politics, 12/22/98

The British Ministry of the Interior on Monday summoned the representatives
of the Islamic community in Britain and discussed with them the reasons
that pushed Britain to take part in the military strikes on Iraq.

A spokesman for the ministry said that the Muslim community representatives
expressed concern over British policy on Iraq. The spokesman quoted some of
those representatives as saying that the British-US attack against Iraq has
caused a setback in the relations between Britain and the Islamic
countries.

He said the representatives stressed that Britain's participation in the
military strikes against Iraq has distorted or rather destroyed the British
image in the Islamic world.

The opposition British Conservative Party on Monday criticized the policy
pursued by the British Labor Party in dealing with the Iraqi crisis,
saying, "The recent military acts against Iraq did not find the appropriate
solutions for the Gulf crisis."

In a statement to the BBC, a spokesman for the Conservative Party said
there is a concern in the party's ranks over the continued Iraq situation
and the presence of the British troops for long years vulnerable to danger
in the Gulf region. The spokesman added that the British and US governments
should reconsider a long-sighted strategy to find a solution to the crisis
in the Gulf region.

Syrian PNF condemns aggression on Iraq, stresses land-for-peace principle
Syria, Politics, 12/22/98

The central leadership of the ruling Progressive National Front in Syria on
Monday evening held a meeting, chaired by Vice President Muhammad Zuheir
Masharqa, SANA reported.

The participants listened to a comprehensive political report submitted by
the Foreign Minister Farouk al- Sharaa in which he dealt with several
issues relevant to the international, regional and Arab situations.

The PNF members reviewed the latest political developments, mainly the
British-American air strikes against Iraq.

The leadership asserted that, "This aggression is clear-cut violation of
all international laws and confirms the double-s

[CTRL] Cubanistix


 -Caveat Lector-

>From Int'l Herald Tribune

Paris, Wednesday, December 23, 1998


Science Bridges U.S. Gap With Cuba



By Mark Fineman Los Angeles Times Service

HAVANA - It started with sparrows, egrets and the ivory-billed woodpecker.
It led to the discovery of a sloth dating back 12 million years - the
earliest land mammal identified at the time in the Greater Antilles.

By September, it had paved the way for an unusual expedition: A U.S.
government research vessel, flying the Cuban and American flags, quietly
spent a month in Cuban waters, the first such joint mission in four
decades.

On board, scientists from two nations that have no diplomatic ties and 40
years of bitter history surveyed a population of sharks that travel more
freely between Cuba and the United States than do the humans who inhabit
those lands.

Those are but a handful of landmarks in a new age of scientific
collaboration - a fast-growing, yet discreet development that the
scientists say has enormous potential for bridging the ocean of social,
cultural and political mistrust between the United States and Cuba.

A rebirth of personal and professional friendships among a new generation
of American and Cuban scientists has transcended politics. Together, these
colleagues are reawakening a scientific partnership that dates to the
1830s.

Largely unnoticed and deliberately unheralded, scientists from the two
nations are communicating almost daily by phone and e-mail. They are
working together on cutting-edge research projects. They share important
discoveries and visit one another by the dozens each year. Through it all,
they are carefully and meticulously unraveling a web of complex
bureaucratic barriers in both countries to open new relationships that are
helping to gradually erode the suspicions of their political leaders.

These emerging relationships are based, in part, on the inescapable
pragmatism of science. The United States and Cuba, separated by 90 miles
(145 kilometers) of ocean, are inextricably linked by nature: Migratory
birds, fish, pollution and the weather do not recognize national borders.

The long history of U.S.-Cuban scientific collaboration that ended with the
victory of Fidel Castro's revolution 40 years ago left another legacy of
scientific necessity: As much as 80 percent of the research and specimens
of flora, fauna and rocks collected in Cuba over a 130-year period are in
U.S. museums, largely off-limits to Cuban scientists since Mr. Castro came
to power.

This month, nearly a dozen U.S. chemists spent a week in Havana with their
Cuban counterparts at an international conference, a visit that came only
after the U.S. scientists fought for nearly a year to win government
permission. Rules of the U.S. economic embargo require a Treasury
Department license for virtually any American wishing to visit Cuba
legally.

''Blockades and restrictions on free trade and travel are antithetical to
science,'' Paul Walter, president of the Washington-based American Chemical
Society, one of the world's largest scientific organizations, said to his
Cuban audience during the visit.

Studies published in dozens of scientific journals and interviews with more
than a dozen Cuban and U.S. specialists in such natural sciences as
biology, botany, geology, oceanography and paleontology show that an array
of collaborative efforts are underway or have been completed in recent
years.

Among them:

-

More than 100 specimen cabinets and archive supplies worth $300,000 left
New York earlier this month for Havana - a donation from more than a dozen
U.S. institutions that will furnish Cuba's new National Museum of Natural
History, which will open early next year in the same space that housed the
U.S. Embassy before Washington cut diplomatic ties.

-

A Cuban geologist and an American colleague in New York are co-authoring a
book on their theory of Gaarlandia. The theory, which traces the origin of
mammals in Caribbean nations to a land bridge that linked South America to
the islands about 38 million years ago, is based on the two scientists'
1994 discovery in Cuba of the fossilized sloth dating back 12 million years
and their later find of a sloth in Puerto Rico dating back 35 million
years.

-

A Cuban meteorologist, who completed two years of study at the University
of Maryland this year in the first such exchange in 40 years, is now
working in the Cuban city of Camaguey, where he is using a Russian-made
laser to study the hole in the ozone layer and its effect on weather - data
he is sharing with U.S. scientists.

Manuel Iturralde has a personal perspective on this new era of scientific
détente. The 52-year-old Cuban geologist discovered the prehistoric sloths
in partnership with Ross MacPhee of the American Museum of Natural History
in New York.

Mr. Iturralde and other Cuban scientists said

[CTRL] The Joshua Report

1998-12-22 Thread MShrum




Vol I   No. 12


THE JOSHUA REPORT

"And in the latter time...a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark
sentences [Satanic mysteries], shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not 
by
his own power [possessed and protected by Satan]: and he shall destroy wonderfully [he
shall be invincible], and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and
the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft [witchcraft, 
deception]
to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and BY PEACE SHALL
DESTROY MANY..." - DAN. 8:23-25

PART II of 4
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON ...
ELECTED OFFICIAL or CFR APPOINTEE?

[Are the KLINTONS the EIGHTH KING
or merely his FORERUNNER? DO
THEY SERVE SATAN?]

"And there are SEVEN KINGS: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not 
yet
come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the BEAST that was,
and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." - 
Rev
17:10-11

"The 'seven kings' of this chapter are SEVEN MYSTERY KINGS. What is a
'MYSTERY KING'? He is a unique leader in two respects:

1). Politically, he is an ABSOLUTE DICTATOR. This is truly nothing new, as 
history
is full of such characters.

2). Spiritually, he is an ordained SATANIC HIGH PRIEST, and fills the unique 
role
of daily ruling his nation according to the precepts of Satanism. When you put these 
two
aspects together, you get a very short list of rulers who have ruled accordingly. At 
the
time the Apostle John wrote the Book of REVELATION, the world was under the heel of
THE SIXTH MYSTERY KING, NERO of Rome, (this is the 'one is' above).

"Prior to him, the world had FIVE MYSTERY KINGS, dating back to NIMROD of
Babylon. But, after Nero, no one arose who fulfilled this unique role of 'Mystery 
King';
until, ADOLF HITLTER!! Hitler was both the Absolute Dictator, and the Satanic High 
Priest
for the entire nation. Remember Alice Bailey writing, in her book, THE
EXTERNALISATION OF THE HIERARCY that the Great One (The New Age Christ) will
restore the Ancient Mysteries to outer expression? Bailey meant that he will restore 
the
Ancient Satan worship to public practice; this is exactly what HITLER accomplished.
Anyone versed in Satanism will tell you that his huge public spectacles were simply
huge public Satanic ceremonies with HITLER as the High Priest.

"So, HITLER WAS HISTORY'S SEVENTH MYSTERY KING, and just as the Scripture
foretold, he ruled for just 12 years, (a 'short space', above). Now, the ANTICHRIST 
WILL
BE HISTORY'S EIGHTH 'MYSTERY KING,' and he will be 'of the seven'; in other words, he
will be just like the seven other 'Mystery Kings' that have ruler before him. HE WILL 
BE
JUST LIKE ADOLF HITLER!

"...HITLER's early occult training relied heavily upon the same New Age and New
World Order teachings that are so popular throughout the world today. Also like many
New Agers today, HITLER was consumed by the stories of the 'HOLY GRAIL' and the
'SPEAR OF DESTINY.' HITLER was also deeply involved in achieving 'transcendent
consciousness' through meditations and drugs, so critical if he was to open his Pineal
Gland, or the THIRD EYE of Eastern Mysticism. HITLER was also deeply interested in the
AKASHIC RECORD and REINCARNATION. (New Agers, are you listening? These are many
of the occult interests in which you are interested).

"In this period, 1903-1913, acquaintances also noted that HITLER changed from a
shy, timid speaker who seemed to stumble over his words, to a most powerful,
spellbinding orator, who seemed to be able to weave a spellbinding effect over his
audience. Yet, HIS VOICE WAS NOT HIS OWN, and he seemed to be transfixed by a
strange force, as he was speaking. In the book, HITLER'S ASHES, the authors comment
on the change in HITLER's oratorical style, 'Many people believe that the poorly 
trained
ADOLF HITLER became the most accomplished orator who ever lived...His technique has
been compared to the gradual seduction of a beautiful woman applied to a whole
nation.' What a tremendous difference this DEMON POSSESSION made in HITLER's life.
The women of Germany found him to be 'polite, charming, polished and very handsome.
Perhaps it was his hypnotic eyes that led many of them into a fatal attraction.' My 
study
of Satanic possession has led me to understand that the demon inside does seem to
mesmerize, or hypnotise, other people. HITLER loved to get his enemies into a one-on-
one meeting, because he could sway them easily, as he did British PRIME MINISTER
CHAMBERLAIN at Munich! His pale blue eyes radiated hypnotic power.

"HITLER also became deeply immersed in stories of Pan-Germanic mysticism,
old Nordic legends, of a people involved in a blood brotherhood, WHO HAD
SUBSTITUTED THE SWASTIKA FOR THE CHRISTIAN CROSS, and who participated i

Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob


 -Caveat Lector-

This is the same issue concerning the MidEast, India, and a few other
places the Europeans "visited".  Just think: Saddam might be saved from
himself in like fashion.  To coin a phrase:  "History repeats itself"; or
another, "For those who fail to study history are destined to repeat it."


A<>E<>R

The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes
but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

--
: From: William Hugh Tunstall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
: Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 11:18 AM
:
:  -Caveat Lector-
:
: As far as "native populations" go, since I'm Native American, I find it
: odd that European Americans assume that we needed YOU to give us our
: rights to begin with.  How glorious  The land was initially ours...we
: had our own religion...our own concepts of political and property
: rights...(read of the Iroquois Confederacy for its influence on the
: Constitution you esteem).

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Re: [CTRL] Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread MShrum


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What makes me so damn mad about these polls is the first one that came
out that put Klinton up to 72% was from 519 people polled with a 4.5%
error margin and they lead all the people on like they polled everyone
in america.

Michael

Stopforth, Jamie wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Great post Edward!  This whole poll thing gets to me.  I like the
> way J.C. Watts put it in his speech Saturday morning...  If this nation was
> a nation governed by polls, women may still not have voting rights and we
> would still have slavery.
>
>  Jamie
>
> > All:
> >
> > First, let me say that I do not dispute the results of these latest polls
> > regarding Clinton. I do, however have questions regarding the general
> > stock
> > we Americans put in them:
> >
> > 1. At what time of day are these polls taken and what segment of the
> > population isnormally polled the most: those at home, work or school?
> >
> > a. What portion of the United States is represented with respect to these
> > polls?
> >
> > b. Is there any particular geographical location within the United States
> > that is polled  more than others?
> >
> > 2. Do any of the above factors have any influence on the outcome of polls?
> >
> > 3. If so, can these factors be manipulated to prove the argument of one
> > side or another on any particular issue?
> >
> > 4. Why, then, should Americans trust polls? I, for instance, could argue
> > that most Americans were FOR the impeachment of Clinton on the basis of
> > the
> > results of regional polls taken by one of the local TV stations, which
> > typically come out in favor of his impeachment by a margin of two to one
> > (WXIA TV; Atlanta, GA as of 12-20-98).
> >
> > 5. If, as I contend, polls are intrinsically untrustworthy, why do we rely
> > on them almost exclusively as a reflection of the true "pulse" of the
> > nation?
> >
> > Edward   ><>
> > []===[]
> >  "Go for goats, Bill.  They don't talk." Yasser Arafat
> >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html
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Re: [CTRL] The Finders and Patch Adams


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> 1. There is a new issie of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An
> excellant interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine
> articles on all our favorutes. Go out and find.

Thanks for the recommend!

Here's some info on the Finders that does not appear in the issue. (CTRL reaers
unfamiliar with the Finders should know that the group has been accused of being
the pedophilic procurers for the intelligence community in DC. The groupd denies
the charge but does cop to the story that they had children in attendance at a did
a ritual goat sacrifice.):

Marion Pettie is not alone in his defense of the Finder's philosophy on
self-governing child rearing. No less unusual source than Patch Adams, the
maverick psychologist who became the subject of a 1998 Robin Williams movie
directed by Tom Shadyac, talked at length about it. Adams has been a friend of the
Finders for 25 years, working almost as the group's personal physician. An
unconventional and controversial figure in the medical world himself, Adams
affirmed that he has found no instance of child abuse among the Finders. He
dismissed the notion that the group included pedophiles and characterized it
instead as one of "over-educated" eccentrics presenting an alternative to social
norms. Adams  told a reporter at the Rappahannock News that  "I'm embarrassed for
the news media . They really made a mistake here. I can see a giant legal case
coming out of this."
Of the pedophilia charges, Adams said, "That's a bunch of crap!" , noting that boy
and girl scout camps contain the same rings of stone Washington police found in
the backyard of the Finders' Washington residence. "What other evidence have they
uncovered? Ritual blood-letting?" Of the goat slaughter, he added, "On the farm
it's called harvest. It's animal husbandry, a practice thirteen thousand years
old. Farmers traditionally include their children, particularly their male
children in the annual fall butchering of livestock. I've met city people who
think milk comes from a carton. Urbanites are often ignorant of the realities of
food production."
Adams described the Tallahssee bust this way: "When you have two adults taking
six small children on a camping trip, they are going to get dirty. If they're not
dirty, then the adults in charge either unbelievably organized or they haven't
been camping. As for bug bites, if you're camping, particularly in the south,
you're going to get bug bites. I just can't imagine the Finders tolerating sexual
abuse. If it should turn out that a child has been abused, it's a private problem
with a member of the organization with the organization unaware of that problem."
The iconoclastic Patch Adams gave this view of the Finders' philosophy:
"Marion Pettie [is a] very intelligent, extremely well-read, a perceptive thinker
who gathered around him over-educated people who find current society, as I do,
not very interesting. They dropped out of whatever it was they were doing to play
games under Pettie's direction. The anthropological, psychological, sociological
game of life with each other. Never to my knowledge have they done drugs of any
kind. They like playing games, more in their heads than in their hearts. This is
not Scientology. I know lots of Finders who have left. We get together. We laugh
and joke about it. They're probably laughing about all this right now. Marion
Pettie is not an angel. He's not a devil. He's a regular person, unless a regular
person is someone who is bored with his job, his life and is dissatisfied with his
life. If that's the definition, then I guess he's not a regular person."
Adams concluded that "Their way of child-rearing isn't mine. Yes, they're
strange. Yes, they're maybe misguided, but there are a lot of other kinds of
neglect out there. If their children have been neglected, it wasn't meant to be
neglect. They mean to give their children enriching experiences. This could be a
lesson of survival. If you wanted to show our society it is messed up, this
certainly will do it. "

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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

1998-12-22 Thread BStokes45


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In a message dated 98-12-22 12:18:44 EST, William Hugh Tunstall writes:

<< As far as "native populations" go, since I'm Native American, I find it
 odd that European Americans assume that we needed YOU to give us our
 rights to begin with.  How glorious  The land was initially ours...we
 had our own religion...our own concepts of political and property
 rights...(read of the Iroquois Confederacy for its influence on the
 Constitution you esteem). >>

http://www.jmu.edu/polisci/madison/Iroquois.htm">Iroquois Federation
 http://www.jmu.edu/polisci/madison/Iroquois.htm
<>

 The Iroquois Confederation may or may not have influenced the writers of
our Constitution.  The six tribes divided and most of the Confederation chose
to fight along with the British.  The fact that they dissolved their alliance
and fought against the colonists may have provided an influence although it
may not have been a positive one.  Still it is an interesting thought.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] House of Arrogance


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Well stated, SnoOwl.

I've been having my students research the Jon Benet Ramsey affair in
class.
On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 20 Dec 98 , Gerald wrote:
>
> > December 20, 1998
> > NYT
> >
> > IN AMERICA / By BOB HERBERT
> > House of Arrogance
>
> Bob Herbert is another of my favorite people--along with Barbara
> Ehrenreich and Russell Baker and Louis Lapham.
>
> I'm still upset about Jon Benet Ramsey. It seems her parents have
> committed the perfect crime. They can't indict them because they
> haven't got a case they can count on. And can you imagine these
> parents, after having killed one child, trying to pin it on her
> ll-year-old brother!!  As if he could have written that ransom note?
> Absolutely unbelievable. Nice, upright, wealthy, Republican folks.
> sno0wl
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[CTRL] Stuff sitting on my scanner


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Howdy all,
I've been so busy latey that the stack on my scanner is piling-up. I would
like to throw out some good new reading suggestings.

1. There is a new issie of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An
excellant interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine
articles on all our favorutes. Go out and find.

2. Adbusters #24 is another excellant issue, commentary on the ad media
culture.

3. The Templar Revelation by Lynn Pickett and Clive Prince.
ISBN-0-684-84891-0; quite the read, much info , interesting theories. Am
currently reading

4. Millenium Propehcies by Stephen Skinner, ISSBN- 0-7607-0739-1 the best
compedeum I have ever seen, great photos and graphics.

5. The Tomb of God by Richard Andrews & Paul Schellenberger,
ISBN-0-316-04275-7. Haven't read yet.

6. Key to the Scared Pattern by Henry Lincoln, ISBN 0-312-24184-7. Very good,
a history of the contemporay Rennes-le Chateau mystery by  one of its first
espousers to the enlish-speaking world.

7. The Goddess in the Gospels by Margeret Starbird, ISBN 1-879181-48-7, Kinda
of more a personal story than research , there is some though and her personal
journey is relavent.


The Best of Seasons.

Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

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 Ka,

Slavery was NOT a side issue.  Of course, Beard's thesis about economics
playing a determining factor is important...  And, yes, states rights
played a minor role...  but the issue of slavery was something that had to
be resolved.  On that issue, there was no room for compromise.  Americans
tried to somehow live "half-slave, half-free" but it wasn't working out.

But the idea that ALL southerners supported the Confederacy is a fraud.
(or the notion that all northerners were anti-slavery is false as well.)

An aspect of the Civil War that is seldom addressed is the role of women
in the conflict...  Harriet Beecher Stowe's "Uncle Tom's Cabin" played an
instrumental role in winning white women over to the cause of
abolitionism.  Why?  Because it depicted the plight of black women in the
south (who were unprotected...often raped and abused by their white male
owners.)  Stowe's book outraged the women of the north.

If you go back and read the letters, diaries of ordinary people of the
period, you will find that their was a widespread anti-slavery sentiment
among ordinary Americans.  They just believed that the idea of human
beings owning other human beings was a bad one.

Twenty-two members of my family fought for the Confederacy.  Six members
of my grandmother's family fought for the Union.   Many poor southerners
did not own slaves... they didn't fight for slavery, necessarily.. many of
them were led to believe that the Union was their enemy...an outside force
trying to impose an "alien" culture in their regions And they served
in the Confederacy out of loyalty to their family members and
friends...the local community in which they lived...  so the history of
that period is complex..  And most of them (whether Union or Confederate)
were damned glad that the war
finally was put to an end!

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, KA wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote:
> >I think that we fought a terrible and bloody Civil War to end
> >slavery.
>
> No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue,
> and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive
> statement against slavery...
>
> But neither the emancipationists nor the women's suffragists had to stage
> a coup d'etat to gain the right to vote, they were eventually able to
> gain that right thru legislative means...
>
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Re: [CTRL] scientology

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-Original Message-
From: Johannes Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] scientology

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Johannes wrote:

>In fact, the Natural Law party is the political arm of the
>Transcendental Meditation movement (TM), which is hardly a big secret.
>
>They seem to do fairly well when they run candidates here in Australia
>with compulsory, preferential voting, often getting around 4% of the
>vote. I assume this is a combination of people who think they are some
>sort of ecology based party, and those who think they are some type of
>law and order lobby.
>

Hiya Johannes,

Dr. Hagelin of the Natural Law party didn't do so well with the last
election.  I have tried to find the total number of votes he received and
what that percentage represented but to no avail.  If anyone knows, I'd
appreciate getting those figures.  The Natural Law party website no long
posts them - I guess they figured they were too old.

Yes, they are associated with TM.  I think that is what I so liked about
what they had to say and what they represented in the last election - some
balance: meditation as a means of stress reduction, a flat tax for the
people (I suppose another form of stress reduction and fair play), seemingly
genuine concerns about the environment, medical plans, etc.  Overall, a wish
list of goodies for everyone (accept those who want equality and fair play
for all).

My twin brother lives in Adelaide.  Are you near there?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

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As far as "native populations" go, since I'm Native American, I find it
odd that European Americans assume that we needed YOU to give us our
rights to begin with.  How glorious  The land was initially ours...we
had our own religion...our own concepts of political and property
rights...(read of the Iroquois Confederacy for its influence on the
Constitution you esteem).

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> In a message dated 98-12-18 06:21:15 EST, you write:
>
> << It WAS founded on liberty, albeit a flawed one...
>
>  But what other country in 1776 (or 1783) gave social and political
>  liberty to blacks, women, or native populations?
>
>  At least the founding fathers gave us a document whereby we could
>  peacefully and legally alter the government via the amendment process, so
>  that we COULD at a later date include these populations in the
>  electorate...
>
>  And they gave us a document that spells out the peaceful and legal
>  process whereby the electorate (thru their elected representatives) are
>  able to remove officials in public office who are guilty of misconduct in
>  office, including the President... >>
>
>  Very well stated June.  The Constitution is not cast in iron, but is
> flexible to change as conditions change.  And, it has been changed... 27
> times!
>
> Regards,
> Bob Stokes
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Re: [CTRL] scientology / natural law

1998-12-22 Thread Sno0wl

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On 15 Oct 98 , H wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Look into the lives of people into the natural law thingy
> Look at the people they are in constant contact with.
> Look at the meetings they have been video taped in.
> Know that the "natural law party" is nothing less than
> new agers.
>
> Dyanetics
> traveling outside your body
> living as other people in other lives
> giving great amounts of money to acheive some level
>
> Compare scientology/natual law/new agers and know
> what their common thread is.
>

Yeah, you better watch out. We all know that in this country you're
only allowed to be Christian. Jewish. or Muslim. And maybe not
Muslim. Or Jewish, either.

sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes & Allen J.Pakula]

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KA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And who was the woman reporter who died in a mysterious crash into a DC
> suburb canal, I can picture her in my mind but I'm drawing a blank on the
> name...she had staged a 'comeback' from alcoholism and was getting back
> into investigative reporting...she died in the early 1980s...
>
Jessica Savitch. It wasn't DC, it was New Hope, PA. And she wasn't really
recovering from her addiction to assorted drugs, IIRC; she seems to have been
an addictive personality. But she *was* one of the best investigative
reporters NBC had at the time. She jumped to the national news scene from
Channel 3 in Philadelphia. ...And, yes, the circumstances of her death were
*very* odd...almost as strange as the death of William Colby...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob

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The concept of liberty was later extended to women, blacks and other
minorities...but for years the Constitution was interpreted in such a way
that the liberty of some of us (who now enjoy it today) was consistently
and flagrantly denied.

Britain outlawed slavery BEFORE the United States did.  As far as Native
Americans go, they were not considered citizens of this country during the
nineteenth century...   Suffrage for women...well, my grandmother was one
of the ladies who fought for that...  Black Americans?  Jim Crow (the
separate but equal doctrine) lasted well into the nineteen fifties and
nineteen sixties...  So, in terms of "liberty," I think it is a matter of
how these concepts are interpreted.. and if the laws of the land will be
ENFORCED.   Legislative bodies can pass laws that sound great...but if
they aren't enforced, they are worthless..

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, KA wrote:

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> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> >I respectfully disagree with your idea that the nation was founded upon
> >LIBERTY.first disagreement: Liberty for whom?  White males? Blacks?
> >Women? Native Americans?
>
> It WAS founded on liberty, albeit a flawed one...
>
> But what other country in 1776 (or 1783) gave social and political
> liberty to blacks, women, or native populations?
>
> At least the founding fathers gave us a document whereby we could
> peacefully and legally alter the government via the amendment process, so
> that we COULD at a later date include these populations in the
> electorate...
>
> And they gave us a document that spells out the peaceful and legal
> process whereby the electorate (thru their elected representatives) are
> able to remove officials in public office who are guilty of misconduct in
> office, including the President...
>
>
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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] 60 Minutes and Soros]


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Gerald Harp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > Did anyone else watch 60 Minutes last night?
  

My wife was completely flabbergasted by Soros's contradictory statements. She
kept muttering, "I don't understand it." All I can say is, if Soros was
telling the truth about his motivations, he has serious psychological
problems...and if he was lying, he is the biggest cynic to emerge on the world
financial scene in the last 100 years. I feel more and more that Soros is
deliberately manipulating the world economy for his own personal benefit. I
doubt that he has a hidden political agenda, although others of the
elite--such as Maurice Strong--clearly do. But all *that* means is that the
only restraint on Soros is what little conscience he has left...

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Re: [CTRL] Media of the Absurd

1998-12-22 Thread Gerald Harp

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In a message dated 12/21/98 8:28:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> there could be the sense that NOTHING matters
>  any more.

Excellent post, Alamaine.

Your insight is right on target.  This also holds for the impeachment of
course.  The notion of impeachment is now so watered down that it is nearly
meaningless in the public mind in so far as opprobrium is concerned.  His
approval rating rises!  In Nixon's case, had there been an impeachment it
would have been tantamount to a criminal conviction.  What will be the end of
this dumbing down of old taboos?  It is a bit scary.

Jerry

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[CTRL] Brian, Furby Update It's Worse than We thought !!!

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Brian, Furby Update It's Worse than We thought !!! (fwd)

> -Caveat Lector-

June wrote:

>Naw, TRIBBLES were the first wave...Goolies were the secondCabbage
>Patch Kids the third wave...

Well, least we forget the age of the transformers - it is indeed an
insidious plot.  However, I believe we can trace this back to the
introduction of Mickey Mouse which taught kids to desire to be another
species - later picked up with the theme of Barney. Then there was the
introduction of the Barbie Doll which changed civilization as we know it.
Fortunately, I preferred trolls.  Hmin later years, this particular
penchant seems to have generalized to the men in my life.  Perhaps I should
have played with Ken after all.

Hilary
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[CTRL] Will bin Laden Retaliate?

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Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:59 AMSubject: [exploration] Will bin
Laden Retaliate?

>From NEWSWEEK issue Dec. 28, 1998/Jan. 4, 1999
-
TUESDAY, December 22, 1998

Will bin Laden Retaliate?

Federal authorities have ratcheted up security nationwide as a
precaution against possible terrorist retaliation for the U.S. military
assault on Baghdad. Meanwhile, U.S. forces are bracing for a possible
attack in the Mideast or Africa by Osama bin Laden. Based on
intelligence intercepts, U.S. government officials believe that bin
Laden, the alleged architect of last summer's twin embassy bombings in
Africa, may have ordered a new fatwa, or religious decree, calling for
the murder of U.S. citizens. In response to the latest threat, the State
Department closed most of its embassies in Africa, and U.S. forces in
the region were placed on ThreatConCharlie, a high-security condition.
"We are particularly worried about people overseas, where [bin Laden]
has the resources and we don't have good control of local and federal
police," says a top FBI official.

Shortly after President Clinton gave the orders for the strikes on Iraq,
U.S. government facilities and buildings were placed on high alert
worldwide. Law-enforcement and intelligence officials are focusing much
of their attention on New York City, which the Feds consider a "hotbed"
of possible terrorist activity and a "natural target" because of the
local field office's aggressiveness in bringing terrorism cases to
trial.

Late last week the FBI placed its New York field office on a "24-hour
lookout," ordering surveillance of all Iraqi installations in New York
and of all "known or suspected" Iraqi intelligence officers. Of
particular interest, according to an FBI teletype transmitted to all its
field offices, is the Iraqi Mission to the United Nations. The FBI has
also told its counterintelligence agents to reach out to all of its
informants who may have intelligence about possible terrorist acts. As
an added precaution, the bureau's New York command center will be manned
round the clock by the city's joint terrorist task force, made up of the
FBI, the New York City police and other federal agents. Still, says the
bureau official: "I don't think we're going to see anything too terribly
quickly. It takes a lot for them to plan one of these things."

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[CTRL] Saddam secret army 'to launch London attacks'

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Saddam secret army 'to launch London attacks'

REVENGE for the raids on Iraq could begin with terrorist attacks on
President Saddam Hussein's opponents in Britain. Diplomats and security
officials in the Gulf feared yesterday the Iraqi leader would "contract
Islamic terrorist groups" to exact retaliation for Operation Desert Fox.

Kuwaiti officials said they had stepped up security for Britons there,
and revealed that terrorist threats were made yesterday against its
embassy and offices in London.

A leading Arab newspaper, Al-Hayat, published in London, reported
receiving a telephone warning from an unnamed Islamic group threatening
to bomb Kuwaiti targets in Britain. Many Iraqi dissidents live in
London, including key figures in the Iraqi National Congress. A leading
Scotland Yard anti-terrorist detective yesterday called the threats
"very credible. You can take it we are very aware of the heightened
risk".

Security checks and roadblocks have been stepped up in Kuwait City and
officials said armed National Guards had been deployed around
residential complexes where British diplomats and civilians live. More
Western civilians are leaving Kuwait than the usual Christmas exodus,
and an increasing number of Kuwaitis were yesterday trying to book
flights out.

The radical Islamic group, al-Gamma al-Islamiya, which has killed 1,250
people in a six-year campaign, gave a warning to Al-Hayat yesterday that
it will start attacking Kuwaiti targets abroad. The group, whose
spiritual leader, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, is in jail in the United
States for conspiring to blow up the World Trade Centre in New York,
also threatened US targets yesterday. People in Bahrain's US Embassy
were evacuated after a bomb threat, and in recent days the Americans
have closed 40 embassies and missions overseas.

US intelligence agents are reported to have monitored a telephone
conversation between the Saudi dissident, Osama bin Laden, in
Afghanistan and a supporter in which he discusses an imminent bomb
attack on a Western target. The Saudi millionaire is believed to have
been respon-sible for the August bomb attacks on US embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania in which more than 290 were killed.

One senior Western diplomat said last night: "Saddam will want his
revenge and he is cunning. If he were to launch a missile on one of his
neighbours, that would just invite immediate airstrikes.

"He does not have an effective terrorist organisation working abroad,
but there are plenty of Islamic extremist groups who would happily do
the job for him.

"It was noticeable that in his last television address Saddam did not
make the expected extravagant boasts of revenge. He does not want his
fingerprint left on any attack which could be blamed on known Islamic
groups. He has the money to fund such an operation."

The mood in Kuwait yesterday was increasingly nervous, with leading
politicians admitting they feel even more vulnerable since Operation
Desert Fox was halted. Kuwait suffered a bomb attack on the US Embassy
in December 1983 in which seven people were killed. In May 1985 a
suicide bomber rammed the Emir's motorcade, injuring the Kuwaiti ruler.
Then, in 1993, intelligence services uncovered a plot to assassinate
former President Bush during a visit to US troops at their Camp Doha
base in Kuwait.

One Kuwaiti official said: "We know the terrorist threat from Saddam and
others. We have already planned additional security."

US troops were strengthening their desert positions on the border with
Iraq.

British pilots in Kuwait have yet to restart enforcing the no-fly zone
over southern Iraq. Military commanders in the Gulf said that Iraqi
missile batteries might mistake a surveillance flight for a raid.

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Really?  From hell?

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December 22, 1998

Signs Finally Emerge of Coup Threat to Saddam Hussein

On December 20, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein declared that Iraq
had emerged "victorious" after Operation Desert Fox, the 70-hour
aerial bombardment of Iraq by the United States and the United
Kingdom.  In a speech broadcast on Qatar's Al-Jazira satellite
television, Saddam praised Arab people for their "support of Iraq
in the face of aggression" but attacked "the weak, the two-faced,
the grudge bearers and the traitors."  Saddam has survived the
latest round of U.S. led military attacks, aimed ostensibly at
his weapons of mass destruction.  However, those attacks
apparently had a secondary goal -- supporting a coup attempt
launched from within Iraq.  Judging from Saddam's statement and
other evidence from within Iraq, the second goal may be bearing
fruit.

Fears of a coup have prompted a large number of purges in Iraq
since the end of the 1991 Gulf War.  The commanders of military
units have been liquidated many times, with units reorganized for
fear that they may rise up against him.  Prior to Desert Fox, the
Iraqi military experienced another purge -- one strikingly
different for its extent and the accompanying directives.  The
Iraqi armed forces are composed of five regular army corps, five
"regular" Republican Guard divisions, and one "special"
Republican Guard division.  Before Operation Desert Fox, the
regular army corps were deployed along Iraq's borders.  This has
not changed.  In northern Iraq, the 1st and 5th corps are
stationed around the cities of Krkuk and Mosul in order to
protect against Turkish incursions and to guard the oilfields of
this area from the depredations of Kurdish militias.  The 3rd and
4th corps were deployed in southern Iraq along the Kuwaiti and
Iranian borders, respectively, to guard these oil rich areas from
Shiite opposition groups in south-central Iraq.  The 2nd corps is
stationed directly to the east of Baghdad to protect the eastern
flank from Iranian incursions directed against Iraq or against
Iranian opposition groups based inside Iraq.

Shadowing these army corps were divisions of Iraq's elite
"regular" Republican Guard divisions.  Since they are the best-
paid and best-equipped divisions, the Republican Guard divisions
reinforced the regular army corps in case of attack.  But they
also served to monitor any corps commander that evidenced even
the slightest inclination to march on Baghdad.  This is why the
Republican Guard divisions were always physically stationed
between the regular army units and Baghdad.  In this way, the
regular Republican Guard keeps an eye on any over-zealous
commander.  One or two of these regular Republican Guard
divisions were always kept around the Shiite areas of Najaf and
Karbala, for fear of an Iranian-backed Shiite uprising.

The "special" Republican Guard division was stationed in Baghdad
proper and operated as a fail-safe mechanism by providing a final
line of defense against a coup led by a commander of a regular
Republican Guard division.  It also was the key unit that ran the
concealment operation for Iraq's weapon's of mass destruction
(WMD) operations.  Because of the role of the special Republican
Guard, it was the most likely one to have been directly targeted
by U.S./British strikes.

Immediately in advance of the commencement of Desert Fox, Saddam
Hussein issued a number of directives altering this structure.
The commanders of the regular army corps were placed under
regional commanders who were recruited from among Saddam's
closest aides.  And units of the regular Republican Guard were
all redeployed to Baghdad and to southern Iraq.

The first directive dealt with the command of regular army and
naval forces.  It stated that "until further notice, four
regional commands shall be established." The first command, the
Northern Command, is responsible for the northern half of Iraq
and includes the 1st and 5th corps.  The Northern Command was
given to Staff General Izzat Ibrahim, the second in command in
Iraq, and the person that was allegedly the target of an
assassination attempt last month.  The second, the Southern
Command, was placed under, a new commander, Staff General Ali-
Hasan al-Majid.  The Southern Command controls the area closest
to the Iranian and Kuwait borders and has direct control of the
Iraqi 3rd and 4th corps and the small Iraqi navy.

The third is the Central Euphrates command.  This command
included the Shiite districts of south central Iraq and came
under the command of Muhammad Hamzah al-Zubayadi, an individual
who is not a military figure but a member of the Baath party.
The are no units attached

[CTRL] Fwd: U.S. Jobs/National Security Sold Out To Russia






http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19981222_xcsof_us_jobs_se.shtml

In December 1998, the Russians announced that they had won a
U.S. Navy missile contract that, according to the U.S. Navy, has
not been issued yet.  The contract request for proposals (RFP),
according to the Navy, is not to be issued until May, 1999.  The
project is to provide high speed target drones to simulate very
high speed cruise missile attacks against American warships.

According to the Russians, 28% of any sale will go directly to
the Kremlin Generals.  According to the Russian missile maker,
Zvezda, the remaining profits will fund new upgrades to the
weapon version of the same target drone.  Zvezda has openly
offered the weapon version, called the Kh-31, to Iraq, Iran,
Syria, and Libya.

Operation "DESERT FOX" forced Russia to withdraw her Ambassadors
from London and Washington.  Recent statements from the Russian
Generals, published in Janes Defense, note that military
concerns over technology transfers to America have killed the
Kh-31 sale.  The military fears and breaking of diplomatic
contacts has put the Russian/U.S. contract on hold and
highlighted the illogical decision to depend on Moscow for
advanced weapons.

The Kh-31 deal is all but dead and the Navy is rapidly running
out of targets to test multi-billion dollar defenses.  The Navy
created its own missile gap and perhaps its own new threat.  The
U.S. Navy stated to Congress they needed some Russian missiles
because there were not enough left-over American-made missiles
to convert into target drones.

Yet, according to the American contractor, there are 30 leftover
missiles waiting to be converted!

The Navy never spent the funds allocated by Congress to buy
them.  Navy officials have yet to explain themselves despite
promising an answer to Congressional questions by the end of
November.

The American missile maker has worked closely with the Navy
since 1944.  In fact, highly trained engineers in several
American companies were anxious to produce more advanced targets
and win a fair contract.

Frustrated by politics, the American company that built the
previous Navy target drones will NOW permanently close
operations by the end of January, 1999.  No more U.S. engineers.
No more U.S. defense infrastructure and no more Aegis tests.

Why do the Russians think they won a contract not yet issued?

American companies were shut out from the project in an eager
effort to please Zvezda's U.S. based lobbyist-lawyers who support
Al Gore for President.  The Kh-31 deal was not done in a fair
and open contract but behind closed doors.  The Navy did not
tell the truth about the status of current inventories and was
forced to select the Russian missile by White House politics.

The decision to depend on Russia for a critical part of our
defense technology came from the White House.  Zvezda is backed
by D.C. lobbyist Cassidy Associates.  Cassidy Associates also
traveled with Ron Brown on trade missions.  Cassidy Associates
sent a Maely Tom, a DNC donor, to the far east on a Ron Brown
trade mission.  The same mission included DNC donors John Huang,
Charlie Trie, Pauline Kanchanalak and Nora Lum.

The U.S. Navy is now facing a missile crisis.  No more advanced
targets means a hold on software and hardware upgrades to our
Aegis missile systems.  No more targets means that crews will
not be trained against the very real threat of cruise missile
attacks.  Navy ship defenses will rapidly degrade over the next
few years until they can be tested again.

History has shown that U.S. Navy warships are vulnerable to
attack from modern cruise missiles.  The U.S.S. Stark was
heavily damaged by an Iraqi attack with a French missile during
the Reagan administration.  The Royal Navy lost the H.M.S.
Sheffield to an Exocet missile, during the Falklands war.

Yet, the flying robot bomb is not new.  Winston Churchill wrote
of the "Pilotless" war in 1944.  "The advent of the long-range,
jet-propelled projectile has opened up vast new possibilities in
the conduct of military operations."

"In future the possession of superiority in long distance rocket
artillery may well count for as much superiority in naval or air
power," wrote Churchill.  "High grade scientific and engineering
staff, together with extensive research facilities, will have to
be maintained as a permanent part of our peace-time military
organization."

The rain of V-1 "buzz-bombs" and later "V-2" missiles began on
June 13, 1944.  The first citizens to die in a robot war were in
London.

Winston Churchill wrote "The blind impersonal nature of the
missile made the individual on the ground helpless.  There was
little that he could do, no human enemy he could see shot down."

Since 1944 mankind has lived with the robot bombs, one winged
and the other a rocket.  The addition of nuclear, chemical and
biological weapons, carried to any spot on earth with un-erring
accuracy, has made missile warfare more dangerous than ever.  A
single m

[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: The Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem, in Edinburgh

From: Stella Maris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Message: 16
>   From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: The Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem, in Edinburgh
>
>---Kate Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Longstanding subscribers may just remember a brief exchange some time
>> ago, when I mentioned that my father had been a member of the Order of
>> St Lazarus of Jerusalem, 
>>
>> --
>> Kate B

Thanks for that, Kate. I'll definitely have a look at the place next time
I'm in Edinburgh. (Sorry I missed Hildegard, BTW, life has been frantic,
more anon...)

> I had the dubious distincion of
>belonging to the Maltese Langue before it was put out of business here
>in the U.S.

>Tim Carmain

This is interesting, Tim. The former, now deceased, owner of Castle Matrix
in Ireland (which was, until recently, the chancellry of the Dragon Order)
was a member of the Order of Lazarus. He was actually an American
ex-military officer, a Colonel John Driscoll (aka Sean O'Driscoll),
rumoured to be Number 2 in the CIA in Europe, which was said to be based in
Paris.  There is green Maltese Cross, the emblem of the Order of St
Lazarus, painted on the chimney breast in the library at Castle Matrix.

There are references to the split which occurred in the late 60s/early 70s
in some of the documents there, apparently the Colonel's branch broke away
from the Maltese branch.

Your story fits in with that... so, I wondered what happened next?? I get
the impression that the Colonel carried on with SOMETHING... even if the US
branch DIDN'T. Hmmm, curious...

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[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: The Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem, in Edinburgh

From: Stella Maris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Message: 16
>   From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: The Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem, in Edinburgh
>
>---Kate Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Longstanding subscribers may just remember a brief exchange some time
>> ago, when I mentioned that my father had been a member of the Order of
>> St Lazarus of Jerusalem, 
>>
>> --
>> Kate B

Thanks for that, Kate. I'll definitely have a look at the place next time
I'm in Edinburgh. (Sorry I missed Hildegard, BTW, life has been frantic,
more anon...)

> I had the dubious distincion of
>belonging to the Maltese Langue before it was put out of business here
>in the U.S.

>Tim Carmain

This is interesting, Tim. The former, now deceased, owner of Castle Matrix
in Ireland (which was, until recently, the chancellry of the Dragon Order)
was a member of the Order of Lazarus. He was actually an American
ex-military officer, a Colonel John Driscoll (aka Sean O'Driscoll),
rumoured to be Number 2 in the CIA in Europe, which was said to be based in
Paris.  There is green Maltese Cross, the emblem of the Order of St
Lazarus, painted on the chimney breast in the library at Castle Matrix.

There are references to the split which occurred in the late 60s/early 70s
in some of the documents there, apparently the Colonel's branch broke away
from the Maltese branch.

Your story fits in with that... so, I wondered what happened next?? I get
the impression that the Colonel carried on with SOMETHING... even if the US
branch DIDN'T. Hmmm, curious...

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[CTRL] And Cauldron Bubble

1998-12-22 Thread Gerald Harp


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December 22, 1998


ABROAD AT HOME / By ANTHONY LEWIS
And Cauldron Bubble


BOSTON -- Should Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg and Kenneth Starr decide who
is to be President of the United States? When you analyze the principal
argument made for the impeachment of President Clinton, you are brought
inevitably to that question.

Perjury was the House Republican mantra, the argument pressed by the hard
right to bring moderates to heel. In the debate, one Republican after another
said he or she had to vote to impeach Bill Clinton because he lied under oath.
But that proposition overlooks what the trio did.

The President tried to keep his sexual improprieties secret. That was neither
surprising nor ignoble. Henry Hyde and Robert Livingston did the same, and so
men have done since the Creation.

But Monica Lewinsky told Mrs. Tripp, a former White House employee who had
been trying for years to harm President Clinton. At the urging of Ms.
Goldberg, a right-wing literary agent, Mrs. Tripp taped her telephone
conversations with Ms. Lewinsky. She told Paula Jones's lawyers and Mr. Starr
about the tapes.

The resulting trap was sprung on the President at his deposition in the Jones
case. That was the fount of his troubles. So it is vital to understand how his
testimony has effectively been judged.

Mr. Clinton denied, famously, having had "sexual relations" with Ms. Lewinsky.
The definition of that was so obscure that no jury was likely to convict him
of perjury in his denial. And the House of Representatives evidently took the
same view. It rejected the article of impeachment charging him with perjury in
the deposition. Mr. Starr had another string for his bow. He called the
President before a grand jury, where he was asked about his statements in the
Jones deposition. Then Mr. Starr charged that Mr. Clinton's answers were
false.

Again, I doubt that a jury would have convicted Mr. Clinton of perjury.
Millions of Americans saw the videotape of his grand jury appearance and most
sympathized with him -- indeed, were outraged at what he was put through.

But House Republicans said that the President's answers to the Starr
prosecutors were perjurious. That is, answers that the House found were not
perjurious at the original proceeding became high crimes when the same answers
were given again.

No other American would have had to undergo that second turn of the screw.
Targets of prosecutors customarily invoke the Fifth Amendment; Justice
Department rules discourage calling them before grand juries. But Mr. Starr,
determined to get something on him after four years of fruitless
investigation, guessed correctly that for political reasons the President
would not refuse to testify.

In truth, many House Republicans who cited perjury as their ground for
impeachment had deeper reasons. They do not like this President. An
unmistakable venom ran through the whole process.

An astute foreign eye saw it clearly. Philip Stevens of The Financial Times
wrote: "This was not about the sacred Constitution of the United States. It
wasn't even honest politics. The impeachment of Bill Clinton was personal. It
was an act of vengeance."

Conservatives have hated Bill Clinton since the day he took office. Some
conservative commentators, broadcast and print, seem obsessed by the man.
Robert Livingston, before he gave up the Speaker's job, showed his distorting
animus when he said: "Richard Nixon's crime was covering up a crime he did not
commit. Clinton is covering up a crime he did commit."

There are reasons for politicians, Democratic and Republican, to distrust Bill
Clinton. He has not played straight with many of them. And the public has
reason to have been offended at his false assurance that he had not had sexual
relations with that woman. But those are not grounds for impeachment, or
resignation, unless we are going to make the impeachment process a vote of no
confidence and move toward a parliamentary system of government.

In the end, I do not believe that the Senate or the public will want to reward
hatred. I do not believe they will want our political fate to be decided by
Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg and Kenneth Starr.

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One of their more useful ersources which I occasionally check is the
citizen's commission on human rights, at www.cchr.org

They send out free magazines and stuff you can order online too! Plus
you can complain about your harrassment in Maximum Security Insanity
Prisons the world over (their main purpose is to combat psychiatric
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Re: [CTRL] Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread Stopforth, Jamie


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Great post Edward!  This whole poll thing gets to me.  I like the
way J.C. Watts put it in his speech Saturday morning...  If this nation was
a nation governed by polls, women may still not have voting rights and we
would still have slavery.

 Jamie

> All:
>
> First, let me say that I do not dispute the results of these latest polls
> regarding Clinton. I do, however have questions regarding the general
> stock
> we Americans put in them:
>
> 1. At what time of day are these polls taken and what segment of the
> population isnormally polled the most: those at home, work or school?
>
> a. What portion of the United States is represented with respect to these
> polls?
>
> b. Is there any particular geographical location within the United States
> that is polled  more than others?
>
> 2. Do any of the above factors have any influence on the outcome of polls?
>
> 3. If so, can these factors be manipulated to prove the argument of one
> side or another on any particular issue?
>
> 4. Why, then, should Americans trust polls? I, for instance, could argue
> that most Americans were FOR the impeachment of Clinton on the basis of
> the
> results of regional polls taken by one of the local TV stations, which
> typically come out in favor of his impeachment by a margin of two to one
> (WXIA TV; Atlanta, GA as of 12-20-98).
>
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> on them almost exclusively as a reflection of the true "pulse" of the
> nation?
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[CTRL] FW: BIG OIL'S CANNIBALS HUNGRY FOR MORE.

1998-12-22 Thread John Taylor


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1998-12-17:
UK: YEAREND - BIG OIL'S CANNIBALS HUNGRY FOR MORE.
(REUTR)
By William Maclean
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil majors will stampede for new trophy deals
in old Middle East haunts in 1999 while pursuing a merger spree
back home to cut costs and raise market share.

Battling low prices and weak demand, Big Oil's herd instinct will
drive companies into each others' arms and fire a parallel race for
the world's cheapest and biggest reserves in the Gulf.

Both trends gathered pace in a redrawing of the world's energy map
in 1998, spurred by a disastrous 40 percent price crash born of
Asian economic collapse and rising Iraqi exports.

As the century closes, hungry corporate cannibals will dine again
on Wall Street for more mega-merger economies of scale.

"We think that there is more consolidation to come - alliances,
joint ventures, mergers and acquisitions," said Jay Wilson of
bankers J.P. Morgan.

Prospects for an early oil price recovery are remote with a stubborn stock
overhang and rescue efforts mired in bickering inside producer club OPEC.


GOLIATHS OFFER BETTER FINANCING, TECHNOLOGY, REACH

Sweeping budget cuts forced on oil firms by the price rout will take a good two
years to provide big falls in crude supply - too late to save weaker explorers
and even some large integrated companies.

A Reuters poll of experts projects an average price for benchmark Brent crude of
just $13.50 a barrel in 1999, unchanged from this year after a 30 percent slide.


"The only thing you can conclude is that there is going to be more
consolidation," said Exxon chairman Lee Raymond.

The Texas-based firm is merging with Mobil to form the world's largest company
by revenue, reuniting the largest successors from the 1911 breakup of John D.
Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

The $240 billion giant will dwarf a proposed $110 billion British Petroleum and
Amoco combination created to nip the heels of the larger Royal Dutch/Shell.

Already earning pre-merger incomes greater than those of many countries where
they operate, such new goliaths will have the muscle to grab the lion's share of
the best upstream prospects and widen downstream access to the
 consumer.

Such titans don't want only multi-billion dollar savings.

They target more leverage from new technology by spreading it over a wider base,
improving returns on capital to shore up a must-have status with institutional
investors.

They also want sheer size to attract Middle East countries seeking capital from
foreign partners to expand their reserves, the world's most plentiful and the
cheapest to extract.

Rod Peacock of J.P. Morgan, a banker involved in Exxon and BP's respective
mergers, says oil super-giants offer Gulf states unrivalled technology,
financial strength and global reach.


GULF REOPENING PRESSURES SAUDI, MEXICO TO FOLLOW SUIT

And mergers may simplify the Gulf states' choice.

"Being big wins you a seat at the table. It means people pay attention to you,"
said Bob Maguire, a managing director at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter .

That seems to be the case in Kuwait, seeking to boost its output capacity in an
undeclared race for foreign capital with other Gulf states as well as Venezuela,
Nigeria and the Caspian.

"I think it made our life much easier," said Kuwaiti Oil Minister Sheikh Saud
Nasser al-Sabah.

"Instead of negotiating with BP and Amoco separately, we have both of them in
one. Instead of Exxon and Mobil, we have them both in one."

The Gulf reopening signals the return next century of Middle East OPEC powers to
their former position at the heart of the global oil industry after 20 years as
nationalised backwaters.

Dusting cobwebs from some of the oldest oil relationships, the reopening also
pressures state giants Saudi Arabia and Mexico to join the investment race or
risk losing out.

It also means that the upside-down world of international oil exploration, where
the bulk of development has occurred in costly areas like the North Sea, will
see a return to commercial normality as investment shifts to t he Gulf's
low-risk fields.

"I suspect that by 2005, 2010, we will see the normal laws of economics
reasserting themselves, with the volume increases going to the low-cost
producers," Royal Dutch/Shell chairman Mark Moody-Stuart told Petroleum Intel
ligence Weekly.

"And if that happens it almost certainly means lower oil prices," said
Moody-Stuart, whose company is the latest to confirm talks on possible
post-sanctions projects with Iraq.

Maguire says being huge gives companies the financial clout to make a big bet on
a sole risk basis upstream rather than settling for the syndicated returns
earned by smaller rivals.


MEGA-MAJORS COULD SHRUG OFF TAKEOVER PRESSURE

A possible additional motive for OPEC states inviting in foreign capital is to
divert that money away from non-OPEC areas that are the source of competing
production, he said.

"For that reason, you'd rather bring in the guy who's spending a lot rather than
spending a lit

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: President Clinton's Dark Side and the 25th]

1998-12-22 Thread L. Shipton

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Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: President Clinton's Dark Side and the
25th]

It seems much more likely that he uses sex to prove the he can take over
and control.  I would be curious to know the which "sugar daddies" he took
those females away from.  Strange that it was the police that went to pick
up his females.  Could be that there were (at least) several times that he
was not even interested in the sex per se.  Think of the example that things
like this give to the people and students that are interested in political
science or law.  Might makes right.  Then you have Bush SR too, I guess all
students need to have is someone backing them with a lot of power so that
they can get away with plagiarizing - putting the answers in the blanks.
Crack a book!  Why?

Laura

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[CTRL] Clinton's SECRET POLICE STRIKE AGAIN!?

1998-12-22 Thread Lloyd Miller


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http://www.nypostonline.com/commentary/7299.htm


THE SECRET POLICE STRIKE AGAIN

By DICK MORRIS

CAN anyone seriously believe that the ''outing'' of incoming House
Speaker Robert Livingston's extra-marital affairs is not the work of the
White
House Secret Police?

Consider the record. House Oversight Committee Chairman Dan Burton
investigated the White House misuse of FBI files. Then, out came
evidence that  he had fathered an out-of-wedlock child. House Judiciary
Committee
Chairman Henry Hyde led the impeachment inquiry against the president. Then,
out
came the story of his decades-past adulterous relationship. Now, Livingston,
who has refused to agree to a censure vote, has found his private life
investigated.

Coincidence? Maybe, but add to this the fact that during the same time
period there have been no revelations about the private lives of any
supporter
of the president. The contrast is jarring. And this administration's history
of
smearing its enemies, combined with information about administration
knowledge of these stories, leads to the inescapable conclusion that the
White
House was responsible for all of these leaks.

Last night, after the Livingston story broke, ABC's Cokie Roberts
reported that several weeks ago she had been told by a source close to the
White
House of a rumor about a Livingston affair. The White House attacked Roberts
for the story, but she stood by her report. So, how did the Livingston
information get to a source close to the White House?

Matt Drudge, whose passion for scandal has only been matched by his
uncanny accuracy, reported yesterday that a White House employee, with ties
to
both the president and the First Lady, had ''shopped'' the Hyde story before
it was published. Specifically, Drudge reports that this administration
employee called Linda Douglas at ABC News to give her the details of the
Hyde
affair. Again, how did a White House employee get this information and why
was a
federal employee out to discredit a member of Congress?

The White House Secret Police - the private eyes deployed by the
Clintons and their agents to dig up dirt to discredit those who get in the
president's way - have performed numerous damage-control operations since
the 1992
election. Delving into the sexual pasts of the president's adversaries has
been a
large part of their modus operandi (as is sifting through other people's
garbage). Accountable to no one, these operatives work under the supervision
of
the president's attorneys - David Kendall and Bob Bennett. Their missions
are secret, their compensation is hidden and the sources of the payments are
obscured.

As Sen.-elect Chuck Schumer said in his speech on impeachment yesterday,
both parties are participating in the degrading of our politics. It began
when filibusters became automatic in the Senate, and the need to get 60
votes
to cut off debate became routine for passage of virtually any legislation.
When confirmations of Supreme Court justices, Cabinet members, and even U.S.
ambassadors became forums for partisan conflict, the trend away from
moderation and conciliation continued. But the GOP abuse of the
impeachment process and the White House secret police tactics have each
knocked our
political process down yet another notch.

Each time the Secret Police strike, they use a journalistic front to
publish the results of the invasions of the privacy of the Clintons'
perceived
enemies. On some occasions, the actual raw reports of the Secret Police
have been provided to friendly editors. Salon magazine, an administration
mouthpiece, published the Hyde material. And the relationship between
the White House and the supermarket tabloids is surprisingly intimate. The
president's unsmiling lawyer, David Kendall, is also counsel to the
National Enquirer. Terry Lenzner, one of the favored private eyes who looked
into
Monica Lewinsky's past, has also worked for the Enquirer. So, it was not
a surprise that the paper ran a story trashing Monica right before her
grand- jury testimony.

The pattern is altogether too clear - the White House Secret Police have
been here. It's time they are stopped.

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[CTRL] God Bless You, Bill and Hillary!

1998-12-22 Thread Brian Redman


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GOD BLESS YOU, BILL AND HILLARY!


(CNNS, 12/22/98) -- In  a  vintage  episode of the old television
series, "The Beverly Hillbillies," "Granny" was trying  hard  one
day  to  be a better person.  She went around the mansion singing
to herself, "I've got  joy,  joy,  joy,  down  in my heart."  But
first "Jethro" did something  annoying  to  her.   Stoic,  Granny
persevered.   "I've  got joy, joy, joy, down in my heart."  Next,
"Uncle Jed" irked Granny.   Still,  Granny  kept trying to follow
her "old time religion."

Granny finally lost it when she encountered "Mrs. Drysdale."

In the case of Bill and Hillary Clinton, it's  difficult  not  to
succumb  to  hate.   After  the  Waco  Massacre,  a seething CNNS
(Conspiracy Nation News Service)  editor  fell into the depths of
hatred for  awhile.   Horrible  thoughts  went  through  my  mind
connected to Bill Clinton.

But  those  dark  thoughts were hurting me more than anyone else.
One day, I considered the  unthinkable:  saying a prayer for Bill
Clinton.

It took awhile longer before, through gritted  teeth,  I  finally
did  manage  a short prayer, meant to benefit the U.S. president.
Over time, it became easier.  And coincidentally, the  weight  of
hatred was lifted from me.

I'm  no  angel.  I bet I've raised more Hell in my life than most
people reading this.  But  I'm  learning  that hate hurts me more
than it hurts whoever I'm hating.  That's why I say, during  this
holiday season: GOD BLESS YOU, BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON!

I've got joy, joy, joy, down in my heart.

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Re: [CTRL] scientology

1998-12-22 Thread Johannes Schmidt


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>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:47:39 -0700
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>From: H Samuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 1:30 PM
>Subject: [CTRL] scientology
>
>
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>>
>>Who saw the peace last night?
>>
>>It seems the cult awareness network continue to expose
>>the brainwashing of scientology and so the network was
>>sued into bankruptcy.
>>
>>Next scientology got all of the cult awareness phone
>>numbers and the organization.
>>
>>Now when people call into the cult awareness network
>>to report on scientology, they are talking to the members
>>of scientology.
>>
>>There is one good lesson that can be learned from the
>>power of law suites.
>>
>>Any one notice the "natural law party" coming up?
>>They are into new age stuff and they are real close
>>to the doctrine of scientology  could it be?
>
>"New Age Stuff" does not imply compliance and/or acceptance of the
beliefs
>of scientology.  Do your homework!!!
>
>Hilary
>

In fact, the Natural Law party is the political arm of the
Transcendental Meditation movement (TM), which is hardly a big secret.

They seem to do fairly well when they run candidates here in Australia
with compulsory, preferential voting, often getting around 4% of the
vote. I assume this is a combination of people who think they are some
sort of ecology based party, and those who think they are some type of
law and order lobby.



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Re: [CTRL] Brian, Furby Update It's Worse than We thought !!! (f

1998-12-22 Thread Source - Richard


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Leave Tickle Me Elmo alone. He is my pal.

>
>Naw, TRIBBLES were the first wave...Goolies were the secondCabbage
>Patch Kids the third wave...
>
>Whilst Barney and Tickle Me Elmo, as we all know, are agents of the
>Devil...  ;-)
>
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[CTRL] Warring Civilly?


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Some of the information contained in the floowing article may be repeating
what has been previously posted.  What I find interesting about it (the
general subject matter) is the amount of information on the subject and how
many people and media sites reporting same.


>From SalonMagazine.CoM

J O E+C O N A S O N + ++ L E F T + H O O K

Why Lott and Barr hate Clinton
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TWO KEY REPUBLICAN LEADERS MAINTAIN LINKS WITH WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND
RACISTS WHO DESPISE CLINTON AS AN INSIDE-OUT OREO.

Behind all the talk of patriotism and duty, the
Republican obsession with ousting President Clinton from the White House
has long carried a distinct odor of vengeance, not only for the president's
political success but for the lingering wound of Richard Nixon's
resignation in disgrace a quarter century ago. Now, with the delivery to
the Senate of articles of impeachment -- penned on traditional parchment
paper -- the task of avenging old grievances falls to Trent Lott of
Mississippi, the Senate Majority Leader.

While Lott himself was first elected to Congress in the Nixon landslide of
1972, the revenge he now seeks may echo the regional divisions of a century
ago, dating to the last impeachment trial of an American president -- when
Andrew Johnson, defender of the white South against black Reconstruction,
was impeached by radical Republicans and escaped conviction by a single
vote. And although the Senate chief likes to style himself as a man of the
New South, he maintains close ties to white supremacist and neo-Confederate
organizations such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Southern
Partisan magazine and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. For those who share
his nostalgia for the antebellum period and the pre-civil rights era,
Clinton symbolizes all that has gone wrong in America since the Civil War.

Exposure of the neo-Confederate influence among Republicans on Capitol Hill
began with news stories about Bob Barr, the impeachment advocate from Cobb
County, Ga., who spoke at a meeting of the Council of Conservative Citizens
earlier this year. Barr denied endorsing the CCC, a direct organizational
descendant of the White Citizens Councils set up across the South to resist
integration during the 1950s; and the CCC leadership likewise denied that
it shares the racist ideology of its predecessor. But to anyone who has
given even cursory attention to the CCC's publications, that denial rings
false -- and if anything, Lott's culpability is even greater than Barr's.

As Thomas Edsall reported in the Washington Post last week, Lott
contributes a regular column to Citizen Informer, the CCC's newspaper, and
he has posed for pictures with the group's leaders on more than one
occasion. The most recent photo, published in 1997, was taken in the
senator's Washington office, where he smiled broadly while standing next to
the CCC's national leaders, including William D. Lord Jr. According to
Edsall, Lord was formerly a "regional organizer" for the White Citizens
Councils.

The CCC's affection for Lott is understandable, because the senator
subscribes to the same dubious brand of Republicanism as its leaders do.
Interviewed in 1984 by the Southern Partisan, a leading neo-Confederate
organ, Lott explained why he believes that "the spirit of [Confederate
President] Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican platform," and went
on to deplore a national holiday devoted to the memory of Martin Luther
King Jr.

Not that any of this should be terribly shocking to anyone familiar with
Lott's career. After immersing himself in campus politics at the University
of Mississippi during the deadly riots that greeted its first black
student, James Meredith, in the early '60s, Lott went to law school and
then became administrative assistant to Rep. William Colmer, a fanatical
segregationist Democrat. When Colmer retired, Lott switched parties and won
his seat running with the Nixon-Agnew ticket in 1972. In his spare time,
the former Ole Miss cheerleader joined the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a
bastion of Southern reaction that features Lott in its promotional video.

N E X T_P A G E | What's wrong with being "conservative"?

J O E+C O N A S O N + ++ L E F T + H O O K | PAGE 2 OF 2

No doubt Lott has assumed that the Council of Conservative Citizens sounds
sufficiently innocuous to save him any embarrassment. And he isn't alone in
supporting the CCC -- the group's November national meeting in Jackson,
Miss., was addressed by Gov. Kirk Fordice. (Indeed, CCC gatherings
regularly enjoy the patronage of Republican candidates.) After all, what's
wrong with being "conservative"?

But a review of the CCC Web site shows that it is a front not only for
old-fashioned Southern racism but for modern neo-fascism as well. The
leader of the CCC's Washington, D.C., chapter is Mark Cerr, an immigrant
from the United Kingdom who was active there in the neo-fascist

Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes & Alan J.Pakula

1998-12-22 Thread Source - Richard


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I think this whole concept is uncanny. Has anyone done any research into this field???

May i just add that Rik Mayall had a serious accident last year. I'm happy to report 
that he is OK though. But does that mean he is safe in future??

KA wrote:
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>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, MARK wrote:
>>RE: The above connection, there are more if we care to go back a little
>>further, Mark Bolan of T.Rex; James Dean, Princess Grace - all very
>>peculiar Car accidents resulting in death for very well known and public
>>figures.
>
>Add Jayne Mansfield to the list...and recently, Peter Arnott of CNN...
>
>And who was the woman reporter who died in a mysterious crash into a DC
>suburb canal, I can picture her in my mind but I'm drawing a blank on the
>name...she had staged a 'comeback' from alcoholism and was getting back
>into investigative reporting...she died in the early 1980s...
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Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes & Allen J.Pakula

1998-12-22 Thread Source - Richard


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Yes, that's the one.

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>>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, MARK wrote:
>>>RE: The above connection, there are more if we care to go back a little
>>>further, Mark Bolan of T.Rex; James Dean, Princess Grace - all very
>>>peculiar Car accidents resulting in death for very well known and public
>>>figures.
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>>Add Jayne Mansfield to the list...and recently, Peter Arnott of CNN...
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>>And who was the woman reporter who died in a mysterious crash into a DC
>>suburb canal, I can picture her in my mind but I'm drawing a blank on the
>>name...she had staged a 'comeback' from alcoholism and was getting back
>>into investigative reporting...she died in the early 1980s...
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