[CTRL] MUMMIES ALIVE ! is a cartoon series, on at 8:00 AM on Ch #13 KCOP, in L.A.(Mon thru Fri)

1999-05-07 Thread Steve Wingate

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MUMMIES ALIVE ! is a cartoon series, on at 8:00 AM on Ch #13 KCOP in
LA(Mon thru Fri)
Yesterday a REPTILIAN HUMANOID, "Aura Linked"(Rays of Energy
between
them) with a guy and then MORPHED into a COPY of him.

GO TO : http://www.concentric.net/~lkessler/mumabout.shtml
**
Some of the the good guys :

Presley Carnovan - is 12 years old, and inside him is the spirit of Prince
Rapses, although he didn't know that until the Mummies told him. He lives in
San Francisco with his mom.

Ja-Kal - the leader of the Mummies. When he transforms, his armor is like
a falcon and he can fly. He uses a bow that can shoot flaming arrows. Back
in ancient Egypt, Ja-Kal was a hunter. He had a wife named Tia and a
small baby son named Padjet.

Rath - the smartest of the Mummies. When he transforms, his armor is like
a cobra and he has a long tail. He fights with a sword that can change into
a snake. He is able to perform magical incantations.
*

Now some of the bad guys :

Scarab - the evilest villain who is in most of the shows. Scarab is a
sorcerer and wants to be immortal. To do that, he needs the spirit of Prince
Rapses that is within Presley. He sums up his position well in High Nuhn
with: "All I want is immortality. Is that too much to ask?" Like the Mummies,
Scarab can also transform. He transforms into armor like a beetle. 3500
years ago, Scarab was the Pharaoh's most trusted advisor and the most
powerful person in Egypt after the Pharaoh. He thought he would be the
next Pharaoh if Amenhotep had no son to follow him. So Scarab murdered
Rapses, and was entombed alive for it.

Heka - Scarab's serpent, a cobra, that Scarab carries around like a staff.
She seems to be just about as evil as Scarab. She can breath fire out of
her mouth. She really lets it out in Good Bye Mr. Cheops. Heka is Scarab's
best friend, and Scarab shares his evil plans with her.

Ammut - Scarab's dog-like pet. He has the head of a crocodile, the body of
a lion and the hindquarters of a hippopotamus. Presley describes him in
Pack to the Future with: "That's the ugliest dog I've ever seen." Ammut
usually messes up on anything Scarab tells him to do. Ammut has good
parts in the shows Pack to the Future and Who's Who. In Egyptian
Mythology, Ammut is female.

Apep - the Serpent of the Desert. A huge cobra-like beast with an ability to
change shape. 3500 years ago, Rapses' grandfather drove Apep out of
Egypt and into the desert. Apep is after revenge, and wants Rapses to pay
for what his grandfather did to him. Apep appears in Desert Chic, and
Pepped With Good Intention.

Set and Anubis - Set is a dog-like spirit who is leader of the "Trackers of
Souls". He calls himself "Dog of the Desert, Master of Evil, Lord of
Thunder". Anubis, the not-so-competent jackal (wild dog) spirit of the
underworld, tags along with Set.
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Re: [CTRL] MILAB and Reptilians

1999-05-07 Thread Steve Wingate

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Hi Steve,

I knew you'd figure something out about the reptoids ! Have you got scaly
friends?

The Queen of England and Prince Charles are blood  O. That royal family
has a history of bleeding disorders.

The shroud of Turin has AB type.
In the book -The Eat Right Diet by Peter D'Adamo it is said that John F
Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were AB. Also AB has not been found in
people
before 1,000 AD .According to the Japanese AB's are the most intelligent
and are asked for in job positions.

Type B is traditionally Jewish.

Another interesting thing is the ETs who are abducting people are wanting
A neg to breed with - as according to various UFO mags I've read, both the
Pleiadians and greys are type A. A friend Alec Newald was abducted by
ETs
and taken across the universe, car and all for breeding purposes, more
than 10 years ago and is a New Zealander of German origin. He said that
the ETs were A neg like him. There was also another New Zealander on the
space ship, which has an underwater base here on earth, who decided to
stay with them and was also A neg type blood and was of German descent
too. An excerpt is on this url -

http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/coevolution.html


Hitler was type A and was trying to save A blood for his Ayran expansion
plans. Interestingly enough it has been said he was in contact with
Pleiadians. According to various sources, was it Branton?  the Nazis in
Antartica are supposed to be in league with renegade Pleiadians.

The Pyramids of Montauk book by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon claims
that Rh negative blood contains no simian (monkey) genetic aspects.
Possibly an original human. It is said to respond to a 24 hour and 40 min or
according to others a 25 hr body rhythm which is the same as Mars.

Also in The Black Sun by Peter Moon (p77)  it is claimed by William
Bramley in his book The Gods of Eden that the tablets of Sumeria indicate
that the first human kings were the offspring of "custodial rulers" who
mated with human women. These so called gods were depicted as blue
skinned
or blue blooded. Bramley claims that the monarchy of Europe traces back
to
the "gods" of ancient Sumeria - with links from the House of Orange to the
Brotherhood of the Snake.

Perhaps our brainy ABs can shed more light on this.

Nicky  - type B


Steve Wingate wrote:

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 On 6 May 99, at 19:27, Bruce Fleming wrote:

  Does
  anyone know what to look for in the DNA of crossbreeds in order to
  detect if  one is of direct reptilian descent?  The military hired by
  the
 
  shapeshifters know the signature to look for. It will be interesting
  to know how so that we can check on, for example, the members of the
  Committee of 300 to know who are of direct reptilian descent.

 It might have something to do with blood type. I have heard that AB
 negative, the rarest type, is related to ET bloodlines.

 I have this blood type,  BTW.   :^0

 Steve


Steve Wingate

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SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES
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[CTRL] Path of the Rose

1999-05-07 Thread Colleen Jones

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Has anybody ever heard of a Secret Society who "followed the path of the
Rose"and into this secret Society, are individuals who when reaching
the height of the initiation, are let in on a little secret.that of
the ultimate goal to assassinate the Pope, or anyone else of their
choosing.

For instance Jeanne Dixonher husband placed a rose on her pillow
every day (which was I am sure not true); she slept in Empress Eugenie's
bed (and tht always made me mad - where did she get that) -
however, had she been initiated into a secret society, along with a few
others, who knew about the plans to assassinate certain leadersand
being given this information, too money - she made her masters much
gainsaying by so doing.

Clinton made the remark "we see through the glass but darkly".from
this same chapter in Corinthians, Jeane Dixon took the name of her book,
Gift of Prophecy, which she autographed and mailed to me back in 1969
after I nailed her on soothsaying without a license charge.  These
people were engaged in mind control experiments; tonite or this morning,
I received a message from an individual, which more than just rant a
belland I remembered the path of the rose.

Three popes (three high priests or three presidents) all died in one
year..in 1963 a Pope died, and JFK was murderedduring that
period of time,  King Tut's collection had been brought to the USA by
the Rockefeller interestsmany unusual deaths happened.

Later, in 1979 was it..two Rockefellers and how many popes
diedwas it 3 - and the little one that "ate like a canary"yellow
and gold feathers.

There is an assassins cult that follows the path of the rose; they are
programmed killers and they use drugs to induce their initiates and
members to murder for them; they control the Spear of Destinyand
stand by ready to crucify again any Christ image or symbol of goodness,
to accomplish their goals.  They have used our children, your children,
over many years, and the training begins not only with what they read,
but what they see - and with the addition of the drugs, they are at an
early age well within the control of this secret society and the
initates, who follow the path of the rose - the target.

From an early age they are followed; the conspirators from childhood all
about you because possibly a parent, or both, are a member of this
secret societyRonald Reagan knew of its existance; Robert F. Kennedy
felt its impact at the hand of Sirhan B. Sirhan, and just once.you
find this ancient order mentioned just once in the bible.and in this
same Eagles Nest, Adolph Hitler would have ruled the world.

In Daniel you find the secrets to the murders of many presidents and
popes, the name president and high priest being interchangeable.and
the CIA knows the secret and hidden meanings in the biblethat is why
they have the motto "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make
you free" above their hallowed doors.

If the truth will make us free, it is about time our government began to
tell the truth about the story of the Spear of Destiny and their master
plan.who will the next victim be - you, or me.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Israeli Politics

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Contempt Overwhelms Israel Campaign

By RON KAMPEAS
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JERUSALEM (AP) -- Deep into a sleepy campaign that has lacked substantive
issues, Israel's political parties have finally found common ground: mutual
contempt.

``Liars,'' ``forgers'' and ``haters'' are the least of the accusations
bandied about this week in a heated campaign that is unprecedented in its
acrimony -- and may make it increasingly harder for Israelis to live together
after the ballots have been cast.

``A little respect, some basic manners,'' cautioned an editorial in Maariv on
Thursday. ``Does anyone remember the meaning of those expressions?''

It started on Sunday when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- sliding in the
polls toward May 17 elections -- heard that a Barak supporter described Likud
backers ``who work in the market'' as ``riffraff.''

The reference appeared aimed at Sephardic Jews of Middle Eastern background
who have backed Likud candidates by a 3-1 margin. Netanyahu seized the
occasion and made an unannounced stop Monday in a Tel Aviv market.

Amid a crush of supporters, Netanyahu told supporters that leftists ``hate
the people. They hate the Sephardim, the Ethiopians ... the Russians --
everyone.''

Barak, who condemned the remarks by actress Tiki Dayan, said he would resist
attempts by Netanyahu to drag the country into a ``civil war.''

Netanyahu would not back down, and his Likud party ads doctored a video to
make it appear as if Barak had laughed at Dayan's comments after she spoke at
a Labor party rally.

Longtime campaign watchers said the level of invective was unprecedented.

``The word `hatred' has been used massively in this campaign by Netanyahu,''
Hebrew University political scientist Yaron Ezrahi said Thursday. ``It has
fanned fires ... in a multiethnic society.''

It wasn't just Netanyahu. Shas, an ultra-Orthodox Sephardic party under siege
after leader Arieh Deri was convicted last month on bribe-taking charges,
lashed out at the ``elites'' it said framed Deri.

One campaign broadcast features a street scene of small town Sephardi Jews
saying they ``can't stand'' Ashkenazis, or Jews of European background. ``I
wouldn't speak to you if you were Ashkenazi,'' one man yelled into the
camera.

Another Shas campaign commercial featured elderly Ashkenazi Jews dozing off
during a symphony concert and focused on one woman chewing with her mouth
open. ``They call this culture,'' a narrator repeated again and again.

The party reserved its most venomous rhetoric for Israel B'Aliya, a party of
Jews from the former Soviet Union campaigning to wrest the Interior Ministry
from Shas.

In a radio advertisement, Interior Minister Eli Suissa said Israel B'Aliya
was seeking unchecked immigration from Russia and former Soviet republics --
and pledged to keep ``the forgers, cheats, the call-girls and others from
entering the state of Israel with dignity.''

Under pressure from Netanyahu, Suissa apologized for the statement on
Thursday. ``If my words hurt someone, I apologize, I never intended to offend
anyone,'' he said.

Emigres from Russia and former Soviet republics -- about 14 percent of the
electorate -- are a crucial voting bloc, and Netanyahu seized on a
discrepancy between the Hebrew and Russian versions of Barak's biography this
week.

The Russian-language version quoted Barak as saying that east Jerusalem was
``Arab land.''

Netanyahu -- who, like Barak, has pledged never to divide the disputed city
-- accused Barak of ``political censorship'' for leaving the quotation out of
the Hebrew edition.

The Labor party said the translation was sabotaged; the translator, the
writer and the publisher of the book all swore that the quotation was never
in the original. Likud spokeswoman Tsippi Livni said they were all ``liars.''

Ezrahi, the political analyst, said the low level of rhetoric was the result
of virtual agreement between the major parties on the major issue that once
distinguished them: territorial compromise with the Arabs.

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[CTRL] Profits vs National Security

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Panel: Sales Over Security Pushed

By JOHN DIAMOND
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- China pressured American satellite companies seeking
business in Asia to push for changes in U.S. export laws that eventually
helped Beijing secure information useful in improving ballistic missiles,
according to a Senate report.

The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report, set for release today,
is sharply critical of both the Bush and Clinton administrations for lax
enforcement of export security provisions designed to prevent foreign
countries from getting sensitive U.S. technology. A copy of the report was
obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

While the report focuses on U.S. missteps, it also depicts China as shrewdly
using its considerable economic leverage to bring about policy changes in
Washington that opened the flow of technology exports. As far back as the
Reagan administration, Washington was prepared to allow U.S. companies to put
commercial satellites into space aboard Chinese rockets.

Then, in 1989, the Tiananmen Square crackdown in Beijing led to restrictions
on U.S. technology exports.

In response, ``China actively lobbied U.S. companies that they were losing
valuable business opportunities because of sanctions and government
restrictions,'' the committee reported. China made it clear that access to a
potentially vast market in telecommunications services and equipment ``would
be available to companies willing to cooperate.''

Companies such as Loral Space  Communications and Hughes Electronics paid
China for satellite launch services in part because of lower Chinese prices
for rocket launches. But the report says another factor was Beijing's
insistence that communications companies seeking access to Chinese markets
must use Chinese launch services.

The report found that decisions easing export rules by both Clinton and Bush
``emphasized commercial interests over national security.'' Both
administrations failed to adequately fund satellite export security teams
that would monitor interaction between U.S. contractors and Chinese
officials, the panel concluded.

The panel said it found no evidence that China has incorporated technology
gained from U.S. contractors into its current ICBM force, which predates the
policies allowing export of U.S. satellites to China.

But the report said revenue from U.S. companies buying Chinese launch
services funded improvements in Chinese rockets which were virtually
interchangeable for military or commercial purposes.

White House spokesman David Leavy said President Clinton has already approved
steps recommended by the committee to strengthen security oversight of
satellite exports.

``We have strong controls to monitor the commercial satellite launches but we
are concerned, as is the committee, that unauthorized transfers could assist
China,'' Leavy said.

During the Clinton administration, the report said, U.S. contractors
conducted detailed technical reviews of Beijing rocket technology with little
or no U.S. national security supervision.

``Such (technology) transfer enables the PRC to improve its present and
future technical know-how,'' the report concluded.

The committee said U.S. officials had access to intelligence reports dating
to the 1980s that said China ``has had a strategic, coordinated effort to
collect technological products and information from the U.S. government and
private companies.''

The report cites two cases now under federal investigation in which U.S.
companies helped China improve its rockets after commercial rockets carrying
U.S.-built satellites crashed. Hughes provided China with valuable technical
information following the 1995 crash of a Chinese rocket. Loral did the same
thing the following year after another crash.

In both cases, no U.S. government security specialists monitored those
contacts to prevent leakage of sensitive technology.

Rules for satellite deals allowed China to launch U.S.-made equipment but
barred the Chinese from access to the inner workings of the satellites. The
space vehicles arrived in China for launch under tight U.S. guard. Similar
restrictions and monitors were placed over technical contacts between the
Chinese and U.S. contractors.

In the Loral case, however, ``certain key facilities were not guarded,'' the
report said. ``Classified materials were left unattended (and) security
officials did not adequately determine the nationality of foreign technicians
working in sensitive site areas.''

Officials at Loral did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Hughes spokesman Richard Dore said, ``Hughes does not believe it was ever in
the position of passing on any type of security information or anything that
would compromise a national security situation'' to China.

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[CTRL] Pope Wooing Eastern Orthodox

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Pope's Romania Tour Seen As Historic

By VICTOR L. SIMPSON
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VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope John Paul II will break through another iron
curtain Friday when he begins a three-day trip to Romania, the first visit by
a pope to a country where Orthodox Christians predominate.

Not since the Great Schism of 1054, when the Eastern church definitively
split from Rome, has a pope made such a trip. The Vatican is attaching
particular symbolic importance to it.

``We are talking centuries here,'' said papal spokesman Joaquin
Navarro-Valls. ``The overused word 'historic' certainly applies.''

The Vatican, with bigger things in mind, has made a considerable concession.
John Paul's stay will be limited to Bucharest, the capital, keeping him from
Transylvania in the north, where a most of Romania's Catholics live. Romanian
authorities feared a stop there could stir up religious passions.

But hundreds of thousands of Catholics, made up largely of Romania's
Hungarian minority, were expected to reach the capital on special trains and
buses to greet the pope during his three-day stay.

The trip is part of John Paul's drive for reconciliation among the various
Christian denominations with the nearing of 2000, the start of Christianity's
third millennium.

As John Paul has put it on several occasions, the church ``must learn to
breathe again with its two lungs -- the Eastern one and the Western one.''

The Vatican also hopes the trip can open the way to a meeting with Russian
Patriarch Alexy II and a possible trip to Moscow.

Only 5 percent of Romania's 22 million people are Catholic while 87 percent
are at least nominally Orthodox.

Tensions between Catholics and Orthodox have come out into the open since the
fall of communism, particularly with the re-emergence of Eastern-rite
Catholic churches, which retain Orthodox-style liturgy but are loyal to the
pope.

In Romania, as elsewhere in the Orthodox world, Eastern-rite Catholics are
seeking the return of churches and other property that had been given to the
Orthodox by the communists.

In turn, the Orthodox accuse the Catholics of poaching for converts.

Two ecumenical services underline efforts by both sides to show their good
will.

John Paul will attend a Divine Liturgy Sunday morning presided over by
Orthodox Patriarch Teoctist. That afternoon, before returning to Rome, the
pope will celebrate Mass in a Bucharest park with the patriarch attending the
service.

The Romania trip, John Paul's 86th foreign tour, opens up a busy travel
season for the pope, who will turn 79 on May 18. He will return to his native
Poland for two weeks in June and then make a three-day trip to Armenia in
July.

An Asian trip is also in the works later this year. Most foreign travel is
expected to be put on hold next year, when John Paul will preside over
yearlong millennium celebrations in Rome.

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[CTRL] Klintoon and Kolumbine

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Clinton To Visit Littleton, Colo.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton will visit Littleton, Colo., May 20 to
meet with Columbine High School students to discuss the April 20 massacre
that left 14 students and one teacher dead.

Clinton will visit students and their parents on the one-day trip, White
House spokeswoman Elizabeth Newman said today.

In response to the shootings, Clinton has called a White House strategy
session for Monday with representatives of the Internet and entertainment
industries, the gun lobby, government and the clergy to build a national
movement against youth violence.

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[CTRL] China Still Eyes Taiwan

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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China Opposes US Shield for Taiwan

BEIJING (AP) -- China called on the United States Thursday to exclude rival
Taiwan from a planned anti-missile defense shield and not undermine Beijing's
efforts to reunify with the island.

China fears that incorporating Taiwan in a regional missile shield being
researched by the United States and Japan would strengthen resistance in
Taiwan to reunification.

A U.S. Defense Department report submitted to Congress cited China's buildup
of missiles along its southeastern coast facing Taiwan as a reason to
consider including the island in the missile shield, called the theater
missile defense, or TMD.

That report ``is trying to whip up the public opinion to justify the sales of
sophisticated weapons to Taiwan,'' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhu
Bangzao said.

Washington must ``stop sales of sophisticated weapons and explicitly pledge
not to sell TMD system and related technology and equipment to Taiwan and not
conduct activities that will hinder the reunification cause of China,'' Zhu
said.

Selling Taiwan missile defenses or incorporating it into a regional system
would be ``severe interference in China's internal affairs and not conducive
to the stability across the Taiwan Strait,'' Zhu said. ``The Chinese
government expresses its strong dissatisfaction and full opposition to
this.''

The United States agreed in 1982 not to sell Taiwan high-technology weapons.

China and Taiwan have only been ruled by the same government for five of the
last 100 years. Taiwan was a Japanese colony before World War II. China and
Taiwan separated politically during the Chinese civil war in 1949. Since
then, Taiwan has in part relied on U.S. support to deter China from invading.

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[CTRL] Object: To Drive You Mad

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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University Ends Psychosis Study

CINCINNATI (AP) -- The University of Cincinnati has dropped psychiatric
studies in which patients were given a chemical that may cause psychosis.

The announcement Wednesday comes as federal investigators are examining
research practices at the university and Cincinnati's Veterans Administration
Medical Center, which are affiliated.

The university's study that raised concern was a 1997 clinical trial in which
13 patients who were delusional or hallucinating were asked to take
amphetamines, which can make the symptoms worse. Giving people chemicals that
may induce psychosis -- a severe form of mental illness -- was intended to
help researchers learn how psychosis happens, or to test a treatment.

Critics complained that people with psychoses severe enough to be
hospitalized were denied treatment for their illnesses for five days just to
complete the study.

Dr. Randy Hillard, head of the university's department of psychiatry, said
the amphetamine study was conducted with adequate safety measures. But he
said that no more of those studies will be done by his department until
critics are satisfied.

``Nationwide, there is enough of a question ... that we will stop doing them
until there is a consensus about how they should be done,'' Hillard said.

He commented after meeting Wednesday with four Cincinnati-area advocates for
the mentally ill.

In November, a presidential advisory commission recommended increased
protections for people with mental disorders involved in research, including
giving family and friends more say in what happens. The National Bioethics
Advisory Commission proposed new federal guidelines to try to ensure that
people with disorders such as dementia, schizophrenia and delirium are not
exploited.

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[CTRL] Top US Defense Contractor's Product -- Junk

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Air Force To Review Failed Launches

.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Air Force today said it will convene a special review
of the recent string of failed Titan IV rocket launches that have set back
its space satellite programs.

Acting Air Force Secretary F. Whitten Peters said the review will be done
jointly with the National Reconnaissance Office, which operates the
government's military and intelligence satellite programs, and will recommend
changes in practices and procedures to ``assure continued access to space for
the Defense Department.''

Last Friday, a Titan IV rocket left a military communications satellite in an
orbit thousands of miles too low. And on April 9, a missile-warning satellite
ended up in a useless orbit following its launch aboard a Titan IV, which is
built by Lockheed Martin Corp. A Titan IV also failed in August 1998.

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[CTRL] Japan: Job Insecurity Imperils Consumer Society

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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Japanese Economy Remains Weak

TOKYO (AP) -- The Japanese economy remained weak today as figures showed that
new vehicle sales fell for the 25th consecutive month and household spending
also was stuck in a slump.

Sales in Japan of new cars, trucks and buses fell 11 percent in April from
the year before, to 269,388 vehicles, the Japan Automobile Dealers'
Association said today.

Hardest hit were sales of new trucks, which plunged 15.8 percent to 71,773
vehicles. Car sales dropped 9.1 percent to 196,383, the association said.

The government also said household spending was down in March for the second
straight month.

The average Japanese household spent $2,937, down 1.9 percent in real terms
from the same month a year earlier, Japan's Management and Coordination
Agency said today.

The slip followed a 3.8 percent fall in February that came after a rise in
January, when household spending rose 1.4 percent for the largest
year-on-year increase since September 1997.

The figures are the latest sign that consumer spending -- hurt by a stubborn
economic slump, rising unemployment and a wave of corporate job-cutting --
remains weak as Japanese worry about holding on to their jobs.

In late April, the government said Japan's unemployment rate in March shot up
to yet another record high of 4.8 percent, as corporate restructuring efforts
force more people out of work.

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[CTRL] US to Inspect N.Korean Nuclear Site

1999-05-07 Thread Das GOAT

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... with the success of the CIA --oops, I mean, UN-- inspection team in
Iraq ?
What next?  Will the US have to BOMB N. Korea next to insure
"compliance'?.


U.S. To Inspect North Korean Site

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- A U.S. team will begin inspecting a possible
nuclear weapons site in North Korea on May 18, South Korean officials said
Thursday.

About 15 American officials and nuclear experts will spend several days
inspecting the site at Kumchang-ri, northwest of the North's capital of
Pyongyang, they said.

At least two inspections are planned to clear U.S. suspicions that the
communist country may be reactivating a nuclear weapons program frozen under
a 1994 agreement with Washington.

The agreement called for North Korea to abandon its nuclear program in
exchange for two safer nuclear reactors worth $4.6 billion and other economic
and diplomatic benefits.

Suspicion arose over Pyongyang's sincerity when U.S. spy satellite images
last summer showed thousands of North Koreans burrowing into a hillside 25
miles northwest of the nation's main nuclear complex of Yongbyon.

North Korea claims the underground facility is for civilian use, but U.S.
officials suspect that it might be nuclear-related.

The inspection is expected to remove a major obstacle to efforts to improve
relations between the two countries, which have no diplomatic relations.

The United States fought on South Korea's side in the 1950-53 Korean War. It
keeps 37,000 troops in South Korea under a defense treaty.

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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E Mael wrote:

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 No no. They are the creation of Capitalists with the license from
 government.
 Jeez guys, can't you get over this government as bogeyman shit? It
 positively
 ruins your thinking abilities.
 
 Joshua2

 pretty kewl huh josh; when someone actually mistakes you as an adult with
 a half a wit and actually responds to you as if you were actually
 somebody. all you have to to is to sit back and laugh when they do. how
 silly of these people to actually think the guv is a boogyman, when we
 know that the boogyman is you, with your granpas taste in politics and
 your granmas emotional patriotic 'nobody can change her mind' senile rant.
 you have soo much to teach all of us. maybe we should all stop posting and
 just listen to you. you are a real miracle worker; you have nothing
 whatsoever to offer and yet you give so much. i think we ought to inform
 the polish pope that we have a real saint in our midst. do you know the
 pope? are you polish? whether you are or not, you will always be to me.

 lmao at you


Who let you out of the bathroom? Find your tweezers and go back to
doing
what you do best.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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Jim Norman wrote:

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 "M.A. Johnson" wrote:

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  nurev wrote:
  Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and
  and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on
  their belief system.

 And likeYou don't?  Why are you trying to make everybody think as you do?

About 30% of the people writing to this list are in my observation
Libertarian
or Libertarian leaning. About another 20% are conservative. And I
can't tell about
how many Liberals. The one thing they all have in common, is that they
are doing
well in this kind of economy and would complain or criticize every
other Red
Herring, and emotional distraction available. This is a narrow group
which can
afford the equipment and the time, and has the education to appreciate
the Net.
Few have the guts to admit that at the bottom of the real conspiracies
lies the
acquisition of huge amounts of money. Capitalism is the system of
choice because
it is the system devised and incrementally perfected by the rich over
many
hundreds of years to transfer wealth from the masses to the elites. By
making it
available to the middle class, they have coopted the very people whose
wealth
they are rerouting. The middle class is so happy to emulate their
elites in
morals and life style, that they would rather avoid looking at the
situation
honestly. The elites give them every opportunity and tool with which
to delude
themselves. Luxuries and self stupefaction through drugs and media at
all levels.
These people are 1 month's pay away from seeing the economy in an
entirely different
should they loose their job or profits.

The only honest utterance from the Clinton Experience is " it's the
economy
stupid."

I'm not trying to make anyone think like me. I don't know you and I
don't give
a shit what you think. But there are people who are trying to figure
out what is happening to their world and the bullshit flies thick and
heavy around here. I
put out my observations for anyone to compare to reality. If I fail to
match the
real world I'm full of shit. If your view fails to match the real
world, you are
full of shit.

Isn't that fair?


  Individualism, individual rights, and
  the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW.

 this is what our country was built on!

That's my point exactly! We are agreed upon the root ( rad ) of the
problems
that plague us. Very astute of you.

  These twisted
  apostles of greed and arrogant stupidity are just simply
  selfish bastards inventing justifications for their sorry
  assed selves.

 Sounds like you're mad because you don't have any.

I have enough. More than many. I am solidly middle class. I hate being
a
cash cow for the rich.

  Who in their right mind would claim that " property is prior
  to law?" Not only isn't this factual in all of human evolution,
  but it's a pathetic indication of a warped and sick personality.

 Who in their right, or left, mind would claim that "property is NOT prior
 to law?"  Not only isn't this factual in all of human evolution,
 but it's a pathetic indication of a warped and sick personality.
 JN

Property is a legal creation. That concept could only come into being
with
agricultural surpluses. That came about 12000 years ago as evidenced
by cities
like Jericho and some in India. Cities needed laws for regulating
themselves
do to the complexity of a dense population.

Nomadic societies were generally communal.
Those societies developed communalism as the economic tool of
survival. Prior
to that the issues were territory and possessions. The only " right "
pertaining
to territory and possessions was the right of might.

When you strip away the superficial legalisms, it still comes down to
that.
Contracts, deeds, promissory notes, etc. only work as long as ALL of
society
agrees to play the game. When circumstances change we revert back to
the natural
laws of might makes right, and quantity ( of non property owners )
is mightier than property rights. That's the REAL bottom lime.

When enough wealth is monopolized by the most aggressive thieves in
the society,
they must monopolize the govt in order to get the govt to protect
their property.
Hence, property laws which protect property. ( Russia, USA, are
obvious examples.)

I find it funny that the same people who scoff at human rights take
individual
rights so much more seriously. They positively pee in their pants when
anybody
questions the validity of property rights or does not assign the same
reverence
to the concept as they do. There is no reason to honor property rights
if you
don't own property. And everyone can't own property if it keeps
concentrating
in the hands of the rich.

There are thousands of homeless, millions of renters, and after the
next economic downturn, millions of ex-property owners. What kind of
rights do you think they
will be pushing ?

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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Jim Norman wrote:

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 Scott Brown wrote:

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  nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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   Scott Brown wrote:
   
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Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of
 intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the
  Second
 Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

 There is no intellectual honesty in this statement.  Intellectual honesty has
 nothing to do with amending our constitution.
  And so then, what other instrument of death would you ban next?  Cars?  How 'bout
 drugs?  Knives?

 
   
Scott Brown
  
   Disgusting or not you'll have to deal with it. Many of us are sick and
   tired
   of your mantra

 Thank God, you're in the minority.

If I'm in the minority now, I won't be for long. Just wait until the
next massacre.

 Most real Americans believe in the law of the land and many died defending same.

Oh cut the crap. I'm as real an American as you are, and slavery was
once the law
of the land. Laws change as society changes.

 I think we are all sick and tired of  crime
 created by .3% of the population causing others to want to pass laws not
 affecting the law breakers, but the rest of the population.

I'm not talking about crime. I'm talking about a huge population awash
in lethal
weapons. Too many people with too many guns. That's the problem. Not
who has them.

 Don't you know these
 kids broke many gun laws already on the books?  What makes you think that passing
 new laws or outlawing guns with affect criminals?

Of course more gun laws won't work. I'm talking about taking all your
guns away.
Then let's see what happens. No guns in the general population. Like
Japan and
England used to be.

 That's what makes criminals,
 criminals!  They break laws!

Yeah right. They are bad, bad people.

  . We would like to get guns out of daily life and see
   what happens.
   If the death rate drops ( which it will ) then that's the way it will
   stay.

 It only leads to despotism.  look in your history books.  Can you name the last
 country that gave up guns that its citizens are still free and crime did not go
 up?

Balli?

  No
   guns.
  
   It's going to happen. There is nothing you can do about it. And its
   about time.

 Fortunately, we have more mature, level headed people making laws in this country.

It only takes fifty one percent responding to their constituency.
 Joshua2

 
  You can believe that making guns illegal is an eventuality all you want.
  Why is it that the folks that claim nobody needs guns are also most often the
  people who believe our government has the interest of the people in in mind?

Not me I'm not one of those.

  Just like believing that you can disarm the public, this is pure fantasy. I
  will tell you this, if you think you are going to take away my right to defend
  myself and others as well, why don't you just try it and see what happens.

Oooh scary. I'm sure the Branch Davidians and the Black Panthers and
Randy Weaver
are just as scary as you are. Just scare the gun grabbers off by
waving your guns
and yelling as loud as you can..." over my dead body!"

Do the names Darwin, or Custer mean anything to you?

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Michael: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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Edward Britton wrote:

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 Michael:

 Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces operate.
 It means: Let each individual choose how he wants to cooperate in
 the social division of labor; let the consumers determine what the
 entrepreneurs should produce.

This is nonsense when the means of communication and mind control in
the
form of advertising is monopolized by the " producers." Consumers get
to
choose from what the producers offer them. Not the best, just the most
profitable.

There is no invisible hand. Just visible greed.

Joshua2


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[CTRL] enumerated powers, 11. To declare war

1999-05-07 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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The Constitution - Some Facts at a Glance

Source: Chart of Powers Granted to Congress

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants the following legislative
powers to Congress. Historians and legal scholars often distinguish between
the first seventeen "enumerated" powers and the eighteenth and final clause
which is the source of the "implied" powers.


Enumerated Powers:

1. To lay and collect taxes, to pay debts, and to provide for the common
defense and general welfare

2. To borrow money

3. To regulate foreign and interstate commerce

4. To establish rules for naturalization (citizenship) and rules for
bankruptcy

5. To coin money and fix a standard for weights and measures

6. To punish counterfeiters

7. To establish post offices and post roads

8. To establish rules for issuing patents and copyrights

9. To establish Federal courts inferior to the Supreme Court

10. To punish piracy and crimes on the high seas

11. To declare war

12. To raise and support an army

13. To provide and maintain a navy

14. To regulate and make rules for the army and navy

15. To call out the militia

16. To regulate and share control of the militia with the states

17. To make laws for the District of Columbia and other Federal lands,
forts, and buildings, etc.


Implied Powers:

18. To make all laws necessary and proper to carrying out the above powers
(and any other powers granted to the Federal government by the Constitution)
  The above eighteen clauses constitute the sum total of the legislative
powers granted to Congress.
Congress may not exercise its legislative authority on any other matters.
But, since the full extent of
Congress' powers are left open to some degree of interpretation in Article I
Section 8, Article I Section 9
offers a list of things Congress may NOT do under any circumstances:


Powers Denied to Congress:

1. To eliminate the slave trade before 1808

2. To suspend the writ of habeas corpus except in cases of rebellion or
invasion

3. To pass bills of attainder or ex post facto laws

4. To pass direct taxes, head taxes or other taxes that are not in
proportion to the population

5. To tax exports (from any state)

6. To prefer one state over another through the regulation of commerce

7. To spend government money without the specific authorization of law

8. To grant titles of nobility
--

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BeLIEve nothing, disbeLIEve nothing, observe everything,
and the unknown becomes the known.
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   because the Feds Don't Like the Competition!
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[CTRL] THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

1999-05-07 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION




(See Note 1)

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for
the United States of America.

Article. I.
Section 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the
United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.
Clause 1: The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen
every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in
each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most
numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

Clause 2: No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to
the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United
States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in
which he shall be chosen.

Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the
several States which may be included within this Union, according to their
respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number
of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and
excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. (See Note 2)
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first
Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent
Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of
Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each
State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration
shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three,
Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one,
Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight,
Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South
Carolina five, and Georgia three.

Clause 4: When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the
Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such
Vacancies.

Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other
Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Section. 3.
Clause 1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators
from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, (See Note 3) for six
Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Clause 2: Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the
first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three
Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at
the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of
the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year,
so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen
by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any
State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next
Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies. (See Note
4)

Clause 3: No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the
Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and
who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he
shall be chosen.

Clause 4: The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the
Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

Clause 5: The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President
pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise
the Office of President of the United States.

Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When
sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the
President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:
And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of
the Members present.

Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to
removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of
honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted
shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and
Punishment, according to Law.

Section. 4.
Clause 1: The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and
Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature
thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such
Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Clause 2: The Congress shall 

[CTRL] Kosovo A B C of War

1999-05-07 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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 The path clear, President Clinton ordered a summit with Hollywood on the
 culture of teen violence (oblivious to the irony as U.S. bombs pummeled
 Yugoslavia),
 
 The "irony"completely passes me by.  From Bosnia through to Kosovo we have
 seen endless reports of totally sickening, and mainly Serb, atrocities. We
 seem to have tried every conceivable means of getting them to stop, with
no
 success. Very, very reluctantly - more for reason of body-bags than
anything
 else  - after umpteen threats, we have resorted to bombing. Rather than
 being immoral, my inclination is to think it too little, too late. 

REPLY

SIGN AWAY KOSOVO OR WE BOMB YOU WAS THE POLICY OF ALBRIGHT, BERGER AND COHEN

THE US-LED UNPROVOKED WAR ON YUGOSLAVIA IS A CONTRAVENTION OF THE CHARTER OF
THE UNITED NATIONS

NATO BOMBING HAS KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, DISPLACED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS,
AND DONE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE

The NATO attack upon Yugoslavia/Serbia is not for humanitarian objectives.
(SEE FOOTNOTES) American-led sanctions have resulted in the death of one and
a quarter million people in Iraq.
What other methods have been used in the name of the American people but
without their consent?  "Sometimes directed, but generally coordinated by
NATO, with participation of the C.I.A. and British secret service,"
clandestine groups have been used in Europe "for domestic political
purposes,
possibly even terrorism, to justify government crackdowns and defense
preparedness." (N.Y. Times N. 14, 1990 A29). Centralization of power is the
objective.
The direction in which we are being moved for the 21st century, is toward
centralization of power.  Peace, Democracy, free enterprise, are slogans
used
to sell acceptance of a loss of liberty to control our futures.  NATO and
the
European Union, and their extension eastward, represent European aggregation
of power under American patronage.  European military dependence is assured
through NATO command and American weapons requiring U.S. spare parts.
Political and economic control may be maintained through the banking system.
If the U.S.A. controls Europe, then whoever controls the U.S.A. controls the
greatest show on earth.
INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL FOR HUMAN ECOLOGY AND ETHNOLOGY
P.O. 7024, New York, [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ichee.org
 NY. 10128-0010


FOOTNOTES
  NEW YORK TIMES_HEADLINE  APRIL 18, 1999
How a President, Distracted by Scandal, Entered Balkan War By ELAINE
SCIOLINO and ETHAN BRONNER
On Jan. 19, President Clinton's top aides met in the Situation Room in the
White House basement to hear a fateful new plan for an autonomous Kosovo
from Madeleine K. Albright, the Secretary of State. NATO, she urged, should
use the threat of air strikes on Yugoslavia to force a peace agreement to be
monitored by the alliance's ground troops. //END OF QUOTE The BOMBING  was
the policy of Albright, Berger, and Cohen.

  In an interview with U.S. Secretary of State (then Ambassador) Albright
(May 12, 1996) on the TV program '60 Minutes,' for which Leslie Stahl was
given a Columbia University School of Journalism award in 1997, she said
that
U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization figures showed that half a million
children died from starvation as a result of the American-led sanctions
against Iraq.
"I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima.  And, you know, is the price
worth it?"
Ambassador Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price-we
think the price is worth it."

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[CTRL] OEN 5/7/99

1999-05-07 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Information SuperSpyWay

Landmark Ruling on Encryption

by Declan McCullagh

Encryption programs are protected by the First Amendment and can be
freely shipped overseas, a federal appeals court ruled in a landmark
decision Thursday.
Claiming President Clinton's executive order limiting the export of such
software strikes "deep into the heartland of the First Amendment," a 9th
US Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled 2-1 that the regulation was
unconstitutional. The ruling does not apply to off-the-shelf executable
programs, but only human-readable "source code" instructions.

The long-awaited decision -- which came 18 months after the panel heard
arguments in the case -- is likely to spur the development of
privacy-protecting encryption software, which can shield confidential
email and other messages from prying eyes. US firms have been reluctant
to build these capabilities into products because under Clinton's order,
they can't readily sell it overseas.

"Government efforts to control encryption thus may well implicate not
only the First Amendment rights of cryptographers intent on pushing the
boundaries of their science, but also the constitutional rights of each
of us as potential recipients of encryption's bounty," the majority
said.

Unless the US Justice Department successfully asks the court to hold off
on its ruling, individuals -- and perhaps companies -- in the Ninth
Circuit can now export source code. "Assuming it's not stayed and you
live in California, Washington, or Oregon, you can post source code on
the Internet without fear," says Michael Froomkin, a law professor at
the University of Miami School of Law.

"If this is upheld, we're going to see a lot more cryptographic use
domestically. People are going to start building it into products,"
Froomkin said.

"I am almost speechless," said Tara Lemmey, executive director of the
Electronic Frontier Foundation, which co-sponsored the suit. "It is a
giant step forward in bringing down export controls and it goes further
than any of the legislation that has been talked about so far because
none [of those bills] address the First Amendment issues."

"The reality is that it is not over yet, because it still needs to go
through the Supreme Court," she added.

Wired News, May 6, 1999


Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia

War and Orwell Revisited

Don't doublethink twice, it's all right.

Norman Solomon
e-mail feedback
9/2/98
During the week after U.S. missiles hit sites in Sudan and Afghanistan,
some Americans seemed uncomfortable. A vocal minority even voiced
opposition. But approval was routine among those who had learned a few
easy Orwellian lessons.

When terrorists attack, they're terrorizing. When we attack, we're
retaliating. When they respond to our retaliation with further attacks,
they're terrorizing again. When we respond with further attacks, we're
retaliating again.

When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they're uncivilized
killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we're upholding
civilized values.

When they kill, they're terrorists. When we kill, we're striking against
terror.

At all times, Americans must be kept fully informed about who to hate
and fear. When the United States found Osama bin Laden useful during the
1980s because of his tenacious violence against the Soviet occupiers in
Afghanistan, he was good, or at least not bad -- but now he's really
bad.

No matter how many times they've lied in the past, U.S. officials are
credible in the present. When they vaguely cite evidence that the bombed
pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum was making ingredients for nerve gas,
that should be good enough for us.

Might doesn't make right -- except in the real world, when it's American
might. Only someone of dubious political orientation would split hairs
about international law.

When the mass media in some foreign countries serve as megaphones for
the rhetoric of their government, the result is ludicrous propaganda.
When the mass media in our country serve as megaphones for the rhetoric
of the U.S. government, the result is responsible journalism.

Unlike the TV anchors spouting the government line in places like Sudan
and Afghanistan, ours don't have to be told what to say. They have the
freedom to report as they choose.

"Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip," George Orwell
observed, "but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his
somersault when there is no whip."

Orwell noted that language "becomes ugly and inaccurate because our
thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it
easier for us to have foolish thoughts." And his novel 1984 explained
that "the special function of certain Newspeak words ... was not so much
to express meanings as to destroy them."

National security. Western values. The world community. War 

[CTRL] Chinese Espionage Israel

1999-05-07 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy.spy:1077"Chinese Espionage  Israel!
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Subject: Chinese Espionage  Israel!
From: Michael Collins Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, May 6, 1999 12:47 PM
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An Open Letter

Will Christopher Cox Investigate Whether Israel Has Provided Red China With
U.S. Nuclear Technology?

What follows is an open letter to Rep. Christopher Cox (R-Calif.) from
Michael Collins Piper, a correspondent for The SPOTLIGHT who has studied
Israel's secret nuclear arms deals with Red China. Cox is chairman of the
House Select Committee on U.S. National Security and Military/Commercial
Concerns With the Peoples Republic of China.

Dear Congressman Cox:

Are you and other members of your committee aware that a famed international
intelligence historian reported in 1978 that America's ally, Israel, had been
engaged in joint secret nuclear bomb development programs with Red China?

This shocking revelation comes from a highly-regarded source: Donald
McCormack, the former assistant to the Director of British Naval Intelligence
and later Foreign Manager for the London Sunday Times.

Now, in light of emerging evidence that Red China has been engaged in nuclear
espionage against the United States (at the same time Red China has been the
primary recipient of Israel's conventional arms sales for the last 20 years),
McCormack's findings are quite disturbing indeed.

Writing under his pen name "Richard Deacon" in his thoroughly-researched 1978
book, The Israeli Secret Service (published by Taplinger of New York),
McCormack stated, in no uncertain terms, that there had been a long-standing
secret nuclear
weapons development liaison between Israel and Red China.

On pages 204-205 of his book, referring to the fact Israel's efforts to
obtain nuclear arms technology are quite similar to those of the Red Chinese,
McCormack revealed:

"This has been one of the spheres in which the Israelis and the Chinese have
actually helped one anothernot officially, but discreetly through Secret
Service channels. The third party' intermediaries involved in such deals have
sometimes been non-Israeli Jews working for the Chinese and occasionally even
Albanians. Whatever may be their public utternces on the subject of the
Middle East, the Chinese privately acknowledge that Israel is in effect an
ally in all matters relating to the Soviet Union."

McCormack also points out that this secret nuclear alliance between Israel
and Red China has been ignored by the mainstream media:

"This is a subject rarely touched upon by any writers on Middle East affairs,
but such closely guarded contacts as the two Secret Services maintain have
bonuses to both sides."

Further, according to McCormack:

"On balance the Chinese may have gained most from these relatively low-key
and cautious exchanges."

In other words, Red China was the primary beneficiary of the secret nuclear
weapons dealings with our ally, Israel.

The "official" story is that Israel's conventional arms dealings with Red
China began only in 1979.

Uri Dan, writing in the New York Post on March 30, 1997 reported that in 1979
then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin got U.S. approval for authorizing
Israeli arms dealer Shaul Eisenberg to undertake a $10 billion 10-year deal
to modernize the Chinese armed
forces thereby "strengthening the counterbalance to Soviet military might."
Dan describes this deal as "one of the most important in Israeli history" and
that "the Chinese insisted on absolute secrecy."

In fact, it was only well after Eisenberg's secret arrangement of the "first"
Israeli arms sales to China was set in motion in 1979 that the major media in
the West began reporting (without comment) at the revelations of Israel's
arms deals with Red China.

The first notation of an important arms relationship between China and Israel
came in Jane's Defense Weekly, in November of 1984 five years after Israel's
"official" entree into dealss with China. Jane's estimated that Israel's arms
trade with China might be as high as $3 billion and that Israel's total
annual arms exports were approximately $4 billion at that time. This means
that by 1984, fully 75% of Israel's arms exports were headed for China which
was clearly its primary customer.

It was some three months later that the general public heard mainstream media
reports about Jane's revelations of the Israeli-Red Chinese arms deals. On
January 24, 1985, for example, the Washington Times reported that "Israel is
believed to have about 200 military advisers in China and to be filling arms
orders from Peking worth more than $1 billion."

Thus, after nearly decades of covert dealings between the Mossad and the
Chinese intelligence service that had never been reported in the press, the
Western media finally began to advise its readers that Israel had been
selling billions of (conventional) arms to China since 

Re: [CTRL] The gospel according to Suzie Cohen (was: caring, re...

1999-05-07 Thread AOL User

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can you do this stuff privately?  thanks

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Re: [CTRL] Social Security Funds Tapped To Pay for Kosovo

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Can you give the web site for the San Francisco Chronicle?  Thanks alot.

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[CTRL] CULT EDUCATION WEEK In the Twin Cities

1999-05-07 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.mindcontrol:40557"CULT EDUCATION WEEK In the
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Subject: CULT EDUCATION WEEK In the Twin Cities
From: "AFF" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, May 4, 1999 8:33 PM
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CULT EDUCATION WEEK
In the Twin Cities
For More Information, Contact AFF at P.O. Box 2265, Bonita Springs, FL 34133
phone: 941-514-3081 ? fax: 941-514-3451 ? e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Website:
www.csj.org


SPECIAL OFFERS FOR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS

High School teachers who attend AFF's FREE Educator's workshop at the
University of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus on Thursday May 13th 7:00 - 9:30
p.m. (see below) may receive for classroom use a free copy of AFF's video,
"After the Cult: Recovering Together."  In this 25-minute video, which comes
with a resource guide, ten ex-cult members of various ages and backgrounds
share their moving and dramatic personal stories.  They discuss recruitment,
how their experiences affected them, the kinds of problems they encountered
after leaving their groups, and how they are moving on with their lives now.

Continuing Education credits are available through the University of
Minnesota for AFF's Cult Education Week events.

Please contact us to hold a place for you if you are interested in attending
any of these events.

Some events may also interest your students, especially Bob Fellows free
public lecture on Wednesday evening (see below).

AFF (American Family Foundation), which was founded in 1979, has been the
leading professional organization concerned about cults and psychological
manipulation. AFF's 1999 annual conference will take place at the University
of Minnesota May 14th -16th.   A range of preconference events designed to
educate professionals, youth, and the public in the Minneapolis-St. Paul
area will precede it. Space is limited, so interested persons are strongly
advised to register in advance by sending your name, address, phone(s),
e-mail to AFF (see above), indicating which event you wish to attend. Events
include:

Free  ?  Secrets of Magic
Illusionist and mentalist Bob Fellows will reveal how we can be fooled in
real life the way a magician fools us on stage.  He has been featured on
numerous national television shows with his "mind reading" demonstrations
and discussion of principles used.  He also recently re-created the most
famous escapes of Houdini for PBS and The Learning Channel.  Fellows is the
author of Easily Fooled: New Insights and Techniques for Resisting
Manipulation.  Wednesday, May 12th 7:30 P.M.; Earle Brown Center, University
of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus

Free  ?  Readings on the Cult Experience: A Literary Evening
On Thursday, May 13th at 7:00 p.m. at the Student Center of the University
of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus, writer and former group member Alex Stein
will host an evening during which contributors will read their essays or
poems.

Free  ?  Workshops for Professionals

Clergy
Mental Health Professionals
Educators
College Student Affairs Staff

On Thursday, May 13th from 7:00 - 9:30 p.m. AFF will offer four free
cult-education workshops for the professional groups listed above at the
Student Center of the University of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus. National
experts attending and/or presenting at AFF's annual conference will conduct
the workshops. Continuing education credits are available through the
University of Minnesota for a small fee.  Each workshop will present an
overview of the cult phenomenon, information on how cults and cult
involvement may affect people whom professionals help, and practical advice
on how to deal with the problems that arise.

AFF Annual Conference

Cults, Psychological Manipulation, and Society: International Perspectives


Friday, May 14 – Sunday, May 16, 1999 – Minneapolis, Minnesota


AFF (American Family Foundation), the leading professional organization
concerned about cults and psychological manipulation, was founded 20 years
ago in 1979.  AFF is known for its professionalism, for building its
practical educational services for families, former group members, helping
professionals, educators, young people, and the public on a base of
scholarly study and research.  This year’s conference reflects AFF’s breadth
and depth of understanding by examining social issues, scientific research,
and practical needs of all who are interested in this subject.  The
conference is part of a larger educational effort in the Minneapolis-St.
Paul area and is supplemented by pre-conference workshops and educational
events.

SPECIAL OFFER FOR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS

High school teachers who receive this E-mail announcement and who register
at least 10 days in advance may attend this conference free of charge, if
space remains.  When you register, please include the name, address, phone,
fax, e-mail, and principal's name of your school.


CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS

FRIDAY EVENTS

? Cults, 

[CTRL] Industry Looks Back

1999-05-07 Thread AOL User

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I worked in a state EPA agency in the early 80's.  They could not get
industries, espeically utilities, to put pollution control equipment to cut
down on SO2 and particulates.  Don't you know it cost too much.  Eventually
industry lawyers pushed through pollution trading, where if a company or
plant worked to clean up its act and proved it emitted less, it could SELL
its cleanliness to a dirty company or plant who needed to expand.  Preserves
jobs don't you know.

I am not in that field anymore.

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[CTRL] The 13th Illuminati Bloodline

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.mindcontrol:40426"The 13th Illuminati Bloodline
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Subject: The 13th Illuminati Bloodline
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This page has been prepared to provide sonic type of table of contents to
the various items which ‘will be included in this chapter “The Thirteenth
Satanic Bloodline”. In my writings this bloodline has been interwoven Into
the text of many articles, but It hasn’t been singled out very much.
Although a great deal has been mitten by this author on this final family,
to pull out articles which concentrate on it solely is difficult. After
assembling some pages on it, a few words of explanation were still needed.
Allow me to briefly explain those items which were selected:
· An article on the top family that appeared in Feb. ‘95 newsletter on page
73.
· An appendix to the Be Wise As Serpents book about the British Royalty. The
British Royalty are tied in with the 13th Bloodline.
· Many of the American political leaders have been related to the British
Royalty incl. George Bush and Dan Quayle. A flier from a Christian
conference is Included showing who the speakers are.
· Finally, a little of the genealogical information I assembled on the
Mormon leaden is given. This was included in the Be Wise As Serpents book to
give people an idea of how the Mormon leadenhip ties back in with the
leading occult bloodlines of the Merovingian dynasty. The chart for LDS
President Albert Smith is only about 1/3 typed out. The remainder of Albert
Smith’s (as well as other Mormon leaden) genealogical work is in a file in
some unknown box at my house.
This bloodline is harder to track because it weaves in and out of the other
12 bloodlines. There are many surnames which are part of this bloodline
(Including the Smith family), however I can give one very prominent one, the
Sinclair family. We know that Satan is the father of all lies, and Christ
told the religions leaden who went out to destroy him that they were from
the seed of Satan.

· 2nd Feature Article--THE 13TH ILLUMINATI BLOODLINE.

The 13th Illuminati Bloodline is where the Anti-Christ will come from. This
bloodline believes that it has both the Holy Blood of Jesus and the blood
(or seed) of Satan in its bloodline. In my Be Wise As Serpents book, I make
reference to this bloodline but I never really took the time to explain it
completely. In fact I don’t fully understand this bloodline myself. I
encourage those who want to learn more about this bloodline to study the
following books:

Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln, Leigh  Balgent
The Messianic Legacy
TheTemple  the Lodge
Crusaders of the Grail by J.R. Church The Anti-Christ King--Juan Carlos  by
Dr. Charles R. Taylor

This bloodline is so extensive in its many branches that its membership
takes in many of the Presidents of the United States, including George Hush
and George Washington. The reason that I gave the geneologies of the some of
the Mormon Presidents to people back in 1991 in my Be Wise As Serpents book
is that all of the Mormon Presidents in history, whether RLDS or LDS, trace
their blood back to this 13th bloodline. Within the Illuminati rituals, the
emphasis of the 13th bloodline is that they are the seed of Satan. As their
secret story goes, they are the direct descendents of Jesus’s spiritual
brother Lucifer. Since the Freeman family and the Rothschild family have
members who are also in the 13th bloodlIne, It is unclear to me how
interwoven the “seed of Satan” is.
Some of the earilest attempts to trace the seed of Satan were some books
which did extensive research on the Tribe of Dan and the decendents of Cain.
The Curse of Canaan is an interesting book along with its mate World Order
by Eustice Mullins. One of the books which I looked with dlmculty for before
finding it, was Gerald Massey’s A Book of the Beginning (Secaucus, NJ:
University Books, Inc., 1974.) The book goes in and shows in detail how the
inhabitants of the British Isles came originally from Egypt. This is
Important because (as this newsletter has always contended) the Druidism of
the British Isles was simply a derivative from the Egyptian Satanic
witchcraft/magic of Ancient Egypt. The Egyptian word Makhaut (clan or
family) became the the Irish Maccu and the Maccu of the Donalds (clan of
Donalds) now reflected in the name MacDonald. The sacred keepers of the
Clan-Stone in Arran, were also known by the family name of Clan-Chattons.
Another word for clan is Mack and the Clan-Chattons were also known as
Mack-Intosh. Ptah-rekh the name of the Egyptian god Ptah was passed down to
us by the Druids adopting the name Patrick, which sounded similar. St.
Patricks day then is a Christianized form of a druidic holiday which
originally had its origins in Egypt. The all-seeing eye can be found on
ancient buildings in ancient Chaldea, in 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1

1999-05-07 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990507a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Shotless insulin treatments found. WASHINGTON (AP) Researchers who test-
ed more than 50,000 natural  synthetic substances have found a fungus comp-
ound that acts like insulin, raising hopes that diabetics in the future may
take pills instead of shots. Scientists at Merck Research Labs isolated the
insulin-like compound from a fungus found in Congo jungles. When tested on
diabetic mice, it significantly lowered sugar in the animals' blood. The
compound is a mimic of insulin, the natural hormone that allows the body to
metabolize sugar. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559449464-8a4

: Do you want fungal implants to tune-up your body's operation? Will other
fungi make your brain, heart, nerves work better, as well as your pancreas?
Would you be happy if all your organs were perfect? Would you be god-like?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Pope's historic Romania tour. VATICAN CITY (AP) Pope John Paul II will
break through another iron curtain when he begins a 3-day trip to Romania,
the first papal visit to a state where Orthodox Christians predominate. Not
since the Great Schism of 1054, when the Eastern church split from Rome, has
a pope made such a trip. The Vatican attaches particular symbolic importance
to it. "We're talking centuries here; the overused word 'historic' certainly
applies," said a papal spokesman. The Vatican, with big things in mind, has
made considerable concessions. JP2's stay will be limited to Bucharest, the
capital, keeping him from Transylvania in the north, where most of Romania's
Catholics live. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559450587-f8b

: Is JP2 really skipping Transylvania to avoid vampires? Are Popes vampires
themselves? Is this trip part of the Bilderberger plot to take the Balkans?
And wasn't it Rome that broke from Orthodoxy, rather than vice-versa? Huh?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Governor refuses prayer day. ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) Gov. Jesse Ventura,
who once officially proclaimed Rolling Stones Day in Minnesota, refused to
sign a proclamation making Thursday a day of prayer. Ventura broke with the
practice of his predecessors, who proclaimed prayer days in conjunction
with a National Day of Prayer. "I believe in the separation of church and
state," Ventura said. "We all have our own religious beliefs. There are
people out there who are atheists, who don't believe at all. They are all
citizens of Minnesota and I have to respect that." The Minn. Family Council
criticized Ventura's decision, saying the prayer proclamation dates to 1795,
when President George Washington declared a day of public thanksgiving and
prayer. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559448931-378

: Is Gov. Ventura a brave proponent of free thought; a stooge of secular hu-
manist atheists; a victim of brain damage; confused about atheism; regular?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** La Nina-tornado link eyed. (AP) - Oklahoma's catastrophic tornadoes were
influenced by La Nina, a weather phenomenon 5,000 miles west of the prairie
in the Pacific Ocean. It's in the same widespread weather trend that dumped
a record 91 feet of snow on Mt.Baker in Washington this winter and triggered
severe drought  wildfires in Florida. La Nina refers to a large, unusually
cold pool of water in the equatorial Pacific Ocean that develops every few
years and influences weather patterns world-wide. It works in reverse of the
more common  better-known El Nino, a warming of Pacific waters. La Nina has
generated a stronger, colder jet stream in the upper atmosphere, while warm,
wet air at lower levels has been pulled from the Gulf of Mexico into the
Plains states. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559449764-cfa

: Are La Nina, El Nino and {JHWJ} all accomplices in mass-murder and general
devastation? Will these miscreants be captured, indicted, tried, convicted?
Do they collude with Reptilioids, Bilderbergers, Republicans, Atheists, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Beer ad in gay magazine draws response. ST. LOUIS (AP) - A Budweiser ad
showing two men holding hands in a free magazine for gays and lesbians has
drawn so much response that Anheuser-Busch Inc. set up special hotlines to
handle calls. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559452937-c80

: Does your belief system promote positions on alcohol, sexual orientation,
marketing? Are there inconsistencies in these positions? Do you care? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SansComment:

 OKLAHOMA TWISTER DEATH TOLL RISES TO 41 - residents return to scenes
of devastation - divine perpetrator still at large, considered armed 
dangerous: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/9905/06/okla.tornado.02/index.html

 TURKEY SEEKS TO BAN PARTY - Islamic Virtue Party violated strict limits
on mixing religion with 

Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]

1999-05-07 Thread Robert Tatman

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"ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 # Revealed: How the brain calculates. (BBC) Researchers have produced new
 evidence about how the brain handles mathematics, which might help improve
 teaching children who have difficulty with numbers. They have established
 that 2 very different brain functions are involved - as previous studies of
 brain-damaged patients have hinted. One is a non-verbal, visual and spatial
 sense of quantity - the other has to do with symbols related to language.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/education/newsid_337000/337328.stm

snip
Fascinating, and it illuminates a personal problem for me. I am mildly
dyscalculiac--especially when I am tired or distracted, numbers tend to jump
around and even basic arithmetic becomes extremely difficult. I can read a
column of figures aloud as I enter it on a calculator--but the numbers I key
into the calculator are not the same ones I am reading. This tendency makes
any mathematics involving numbers almost physically painful for me, and as a
result I did miserably in math...until I took symbolic logic and calculus,
both of which deal primarily with abstract letters and symbols. Suddenly I
found myself aceing a math course, a totally new experience! A sidelight on
this problem is that I am left-handed. We lefties are notorious for stumbling
over our tongues--we often find ourselves unable to use the correct word for
what we want to say. (The most famous example is George H.W. Bush, who is
forever referring to "the whatever thing"... Bill Clinton is one of the rare
exceptions; he is a leftie who is extremely fluent, even prolix, in speaking.)
The BBC article notes that the left frontal lobe, where exact calculations
take place, also seems to control connections between words; this makes me
suspect that there may be a relationship, at least in my case, between my
left-handedness and my dyscalculia. Ric, vielen, vielen Dank for posting this
one!

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Chinese Espionage Israel

1999-05-07 Thread Colleen Jones

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Well, Yeltsin who tried to stop a war, has a new problem..why do you
think Clinton let the Chinese steal the secrets?

It was because they are now a threat to Russia.and to the world.

Of course the Mossad and their masonry sent in a prostitute to disgrace
the President of the United Statesthe first one to publicly chastise
Clinton was Feinstein in California, who made it to the top through the
Jonestown incidenthow moral, how pure she seemed.but she did not
vote for impeachment.

Monica Lewinsky should be charged with treason, spying for the Mossad,
and executed - as she caused the taping of the Office of the President
of the United States from her telephone..

Do you now how the "Mafia", and I mean the Jewish Mafia sets up
someone.well, they get on a telephone they know is tapped, and let
loose with the garbage on corrupt government officialsit is then
used as blackmail, or someone gets it in the nect.

Do you think this 21 year old prostitute was sweet and naive?  Was this
creep the "girl next door"would you want you son to date her, or
your kids to be around herdid you note too, she was never embarassed
over her actionsshe was pretty well trained in the art of sodomy.

So.China now has protection against Russia, and Yeltsin has been on
his way out for some time.   At this time, he is probably drugged out of
his mind, and the anathesia did the work to him mentallywhen he
wakes up completely, if he is not already dead and stuffed...it is too
latehe forgot to lock the barn door when he went to sleep with NATO
as a bed partner.

The Mormons, who keep the secrets in the caves about family trees -
recently had a madman shootout in their librarythat, was a warning;
but they also believe that at the end of the centuy 5 countries (a five
pointed star?) will blow them Israel off the map.

If we ever get out of the oil business, war would endand we
couldHitler wanted to make gasoline out of soybean oil, and maybe we
couldask Archer Daniel.

Nobody is buying this stuff anymore; and I think if our NATO general is
wearing any other uniform than the uniform of a USA soldier, he should
be court martialed.

NATO does not look too good; the spear of destiny just does not work for
evil doers, does it.

Colleen Jones

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Re: [CTRL] SKEPTICS Re: [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]

1999-05-07 Thread Ric Carter

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 "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:

  # How the brain calculates. Researchers have produced new evidence
  about how the brain handles mathematics ... 2 very different brain
  functions are involved ... One is a non-verbal, visual and spatial
  sense of quantity - the other has to do with symbols [and] language.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/education/newsid_337000/337328.stm

 Fascinating, and it illuminates a personal problem for me. I am mildly
 dyscalculiac -- especially when I am tired or distracted, numbers tend to
 jump around and even basic arithmetic becomes extremely difficult ...
 as a result I did miserably in math...until I took symbolic logic and
 calculus, both of which deal primarily with abstract letters and symbols.
 Suddenly I found myself aceing a math course, a totally new experience!

Do you do better with graphic representations than symbols? Benoit
Mendelbrot [fractals] is a famous mathoid with almost no numeric
sense, who works almost entirely with graphic visualizations which
he then tranlates into symbolic systems - but the image comes first.

 A sidelight on this problem is that I am left-handed. We lefties are
 notorious for stumbling over our tongues -- we often find ourselves
 unable to use the correct word for what we want to say. (The most
 famous example is George H.W. Bush, who is forever referring to "the
 whatever thing"... Bill Clinton is one of the rare exceptions; he
 is a leftie who is extremely fluent, even prolix, in speaking.)

Now we need to explore left-handed [SINISTER] conspiracies, the exact
relationship between Clinton  Bush, the inactivity of the left-handed
spin components of LSD and other psychotropic drugs, and the ominous
patterns of placement of NO LEFT TURN signs on US roadways.  But since
you're part of the LEFT conspiracy, we should regard you warily...

 The BBC article notes that the left frontal lobe, where exact calcu-
 lations take place, also seems to control connections between words;
 this makes me suspect that there may be a relationship, at least in my
 case, between my left-handedness and my dyscalculia.

What else happens in the left frontal lobe? Paranormal activity, alien
implants, mind-control-ray and/or hallucinogen and/or pain/pleasure
receptors, glossolalia, sexuality... what else?

 Ric, vielen, vielen Dank for posting this one!

U-betcha.  Send valuta to: Box 888, Forestville CA 95436 USA

  Ric "we're all un-indicted co-conspirators" Carter

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[CTRL] Fw: What's New for May 07, 1999

1999-05-07 Thread CobolMage

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WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 7 May 99   Washington, DC

1. SPY HYSTERIA I: SHELBY VISITOR MORATORIUM IS SOFTENED.  Last
week, Richard Shelby (R-AL), chair of the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, introduced S.887, a draconian bill to establish
a moratorium on the Foreign Visitors Program at the Department of
Energy nuclear laboratories (WN 30 Apr 99).  The bi-partisan bill
that emerged from the committee yesterday, however, is reportedly
much improved.  It applies only to classified areas, which would
affect very few visitors to the labs.  It calls for monthly
reports on any wavers and for a report assessing the merits of
international scientific research vs the national security risk.

2. SPY HYSTERIA II: SUSPECT DENIES ANY INVOLVEMENT IN LEAKS. A
lawyer for Wen Ho Lee issued a detailed rebuttal of the various
accusations that have been bandied about in the media for the
past two months.  Although Lee has been fired from his job at Los
Alamos for alledged security violations, he has still not been
charged, and the Cox Report has still not been released.  The
statement insists that not only had Lee never given classified
information to anyone, he and his wife had repeatedly cooperated
with Federal investigators on the trail of Chinese agents.

3. NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE: "THIS WAY! I'M OVER HERE!"  The
first intercept attempt with the NMD currently in development
will mount a microwave beacon on the target.  A spokesman for the
program explained that they want to be sure the Exoatmospheric
Kill Vehicle (EKV) is in "the right position to do the job."  The
beacon will enable ground stations to track the target and pass
the information on to the booster carrying the EKV, "so the
missile will know where it needs to go."  No word yet on whether
rogue nations will agree to put beacons on their missiles.

4. ECONOMY: GREENSPAN ATTRIBUTES PROSPERITY TO NEW TECHNOLOGY.
In a speech yesterday, the Federal Reserve Chairman credited the
nation's "phenomenal" economic performance to technological
innovation that has accelerated productivity. This, of course, is
precisely the sermon the scientific community has been preaching.

5. SHUTTLE: NASA EXAMINES ADVANTAGES OF AN ALL-FEMALE CREW.
Naturally, the considerations are purely scientific -- every bit
as scientific as the John Glenn mission last fall (WN 23 Oct 98).
In explaining how the idea originated, NASA officials point to a
report by the NRC Space Studies Board last year which included a
recommendation that NASA look for gender differences in human
response to space flight.  Exactly how a single-gender mission
would assist in identifying differences was not made clear.  One
female scientist contacted by WN observed that the mission should
include a 77-year old female as a John Glenn control.  Another
wondered what might be next?  After all, we know nothing about
the response of children to space flight. Maybe a teletubby crew.

THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's
and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.)

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] SKEPTICS Re: [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]]

1999-05-07 Thread Robert Tatman

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Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Do you do better with graphic representations than symbols? Benoit
 Mendelbrot [fractals] is a famous mathoid with almost no numeric
 sense, who works almost entirely with graphic visualizations which
 he then tranlates into symbolic systems - but the image comes first.

Definitely...I have a very strong sense of pattern recognition. Set out to
become a commercial artist, until I discovered that my colorblindness was too
much of a handicap. (My genome is a patchwork of sublethal recessive traits.)
  A sidelight on this problem is that I am left-handed. We lefties are
  notorious for stumbling over our tongues -- we often find ourselves
  unable to use the correct word for what we want to say. (The most
  famous example is George H.W. Bush, who is forever referring to "the
  whatever thing"... Bill Clinton is one of the rare exceptions; he
  is a leftie who is extremely fluent, even prolix, in speaking.)

 Now we need to explore left-handed [SINISTER] conspiracies, the exact
 relationship between Clinton  Bush, the inactivity of the left-handed
 spin components of LSD and other psychotropic drugs, and the ominous
 patterns of placement of NO LEFT TURN signs on US roadways.  But since
 you're part of the LEFT conspiracy, we should regard you warily...

Of COURSE I'm part of the Sinister Conspiracy! We came out into the open for
the first time in 1992, when ALL THREE Presidential candidates -- Clinton,
Bush, and Perot -- were left-handed... [Cue "Twilight Zone" theme.] BTW,
wasn't there a Sherlock Holmes story called "The Adventure of the Left-Handed
Complement"? Well, there should have been...
  The BBC article notes that the left frontal lobe, where exact calcu-
  lations take place, also seems to control connections between words;
  this makes me suspect that there may be a relationship, at least in my
  case, between my left-handedness and my dyscalculia.

 What else happens in the left frontal lobe? Paranormal activity, alien
 implants, mind-control-ray and/or hallucinogen and/or pain/pleasure
 receptors, glossolalia, sexuality... what else?

Good question. I'll look into that.
  Ric, vielen, vielen Dank for posting this one!

 U-betcha.  Send valuta to: Box 888, Forestville CA 95436 USA

   Ric "we're all un-indicted co-conspirators" Carter

Bob

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[CTRL] Turkey: Women killed to save male face

1999-05-07 Thread Robert Tatman

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Women killed to save male face

Bloody tradition: In southern Turkey, a girl was shot just because a
radio station dedicated record to her. Families kill young girls who
'disgrace' the clan

By Justin Huggler in Sanliurfa, Turkey


Rabie Ogur died when her male relatives deliberately drove a tractor
over her. It was a killing planned in cold blood. She had dishonoured
the family by running away with her lover and when she was dead, the
men fired their guns in the air to celebrate.

Sevda Gok was only 17 when she was killed by a 14-year-old cousin. He
cut her throat in a crowded shopping square. Her crime was to have
gone to a cafe in the suspected hope of meeting men.

Hacer Felhan was shot dead in her own home at the age of 16. Her
13-year-old brother pulled the trigger. She was killed because a song
was dedicated to her on the radio. Her family believed the dedication
came from a boyfriend.

These are just three of the victims of a bloody tradition that shames
Turkey. In south-eastern parts of the country, a woman who has
relations with a man outside marriage is considered to have disgraced
her family.

In the eyes of the community, it is the woman, not the man, who is to
blame. And the only way for the family to redeem its collective honour
is to kill her.

When Mehmet Tamer, the teenager who murdered Sevda Gok, was asked
whether he regretted killing his cousin he replied "No, I have cleaned
my honour. I wanted to be able to hold my head high."

Turkish law condones the so-called "honour killings". The woman's
actions are considered a provocation, and murder sentences are
shortened. The families make their children into killers because
sentences are shorter still for minors. Mehmet Tamer went to prison
for just two years and nine months.

"I was so scared when I heard about Sevda Gok," says Ayse Gul, a young
woman living in Sanliurfa, the main city of the province where most of
the killings take place. It was in a central Sanliurfa square that
Sevda Gok was murdered. "I went home and asked my brother if he would
ever kill me. But he was against the killings: that made me calmer."

Ms Gul's head is wrapped tightly in the Islamic headscarf you see
everywhere on the streets of Sanliurfa.

To the casual visitor, Sanliurfa, once called Edessa, is one of the
most romantic cities in Turkey, with its maze of dusty lanes, its
ruined castle, and its medieval bazaar where blacksmiths still work by
hand. The city is an Islamic pilgrimage site: Turkish Muslims believe
that this was the birthplace of the prophet Abraham.

But behind the exotic atmosphere lies one of the most conservative
societies in Turkey. In the poor, uneducated communities where the
killings take place, unmarried women are hardly ever allowed out of
their houses.

Ms Gul and her friends are sitting in the classroom of a state-run
school for uneducated women. Here they are under the state's
protection. Even so, they will not give their real names.

"If a girl is dishonoured, it's considered the fault of the whole
family," explains Ms Gul. "Her brothers can't marry. People say if
they can't protect their own sister they won't be able to protect a
wife."

She tells of one case where a woman married her boyfriend in secret.
The woman's father initially forgave the couple and for this, the
extended family disowned him. Eventually, under relentless pressure,
the man killed his daughter. When a woman is considered to have
disgraced her family in this way, her male relatives are ostracised
from local society. They are no longer welcome in the crowded all-male
tea-houses that are the centres of social life.

The decision to kill the woman is taken by a macabre council of death.
The men of the family meet in the woman's own house. Often, she is in
the next room as they sentence her. The family appoints a young male
relative to kill her. In the case of Hacer Felhan, her brother went
straight into the next room and shot her dead with a hunting rifle.

The mothers often try to save their daughters, and in one documented
case a mother was able to prevent a killing. But in another case a
mother who refused to tell the men where her daughter was hiding was
herself murdered.

Ms Gul says it is not only the men who are responsible for the
killings. "Most of the time it's the older women of the neighbourhood
who force the men to do the killing," she says. "If something happens
to the neighbour's daughter the older women talk. Eventually the men
are made to act."

Society unites around the killers. Sevda Gok was murdered in a crowded
square full of witnesses. Twenty people were called to give evidence.
Only one man admitted he had seen the incident.

Most of Ms Gul's friends are against the killings. But some believe
they are justified. "There are some rules," says Merve Taner. "If a
woman breaks the rules they're right to kill her."

Ms Taner has had her own experience of the restrictive rules. "I 

Re: [CTRL] Children attacked by flesh-eating bacteria after taking med

1999-05-07 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:37:28 +

Children attacked by flesh-eating bacteria after taking medicine

How could taking ibuprofen possibly "cause" this infection What
 relation could there possibly be between a bacteria and a "pain killer"?

The pain killer is an anti-inflammatory, the bacteria is something that is
normally present ON the skin, and only causes problems when it gets into an
open wound; my guess is that ibuprofen doesn't 'cause' the infection, but as
an anti-inflammatory, it hinders the body's natural defense mechanism
against infection of an open wound.

June


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Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]

1999-05-07 Thread Lynne Giles

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Bob (and of course everyone else)

I can fully understand from whence you are coming from.  Being a leftie
myself, I find that I do better with the written word as opposed to the
spoken.  Example in my own familly(2 other siblings-males-I am female) where
math is the strong point.  My 2 brothers have their masters as does our
father while, yes I can do math but like you get things "twisted" around.  My
math has taken the strange twist into genetics.  Hope you can understand why
genetics and math have a connection to me but it does.  So, there is a point
there in the "article."

Lynne

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Re: [CTRL] The 13th Illuminati Bloodline

1999-05-07 Thread Colleen Jones

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Ah, the Man Who Would Be King, the Minstrel Boy - in the Clan of Dan you
will find him..the Irish Mafia, who symbolize the EAGLE who will
ascend to high, only to be gunned down by their hated enemies and if
they cannot get them economically, socially, and politically - they get
them with a gunand blame it on Texas.

Psalm 87

His foundation is in the holy mountains;
The Lord loveth the gtes of Zion moe than all the dwellings of Jacob...

Glorious things are spoken of thee, O ity of God (or garden of Allah???)

I will make mention of Rahab and Babyon to thm that know me;

Behold Philisti and Tyre, with Ethiopia (the Black Rose)this man was
born there...

And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her and the
highest himself shall establish her.

The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was
born there, Selah.

As well as the singers as the players on instruments (the music makers
and the earth movers and world shakers of Edgar OShaughnessy).shall
be there...all my springs are in thee."

As my old boss said, when one is about to take on the crocodiles, keep
your ass out of the watercrocodiles were the symbol of Egypt; Rahab,
was thought to be the symbol of the crocodile but she was also keeper of
the red cord, and alleged to be a prostitute who saved the
spies.Mossad type I presume

Now the Mormon Church was given  a Charter; they are based on
freemasonry...you find all their rituals in the bible but oneand
that is, at the top...you are told there is no God, only you, and
me..at least this is what I believe to be true...can they deny this.

In the mountains the Mormons carry everybody from the King to the
President to the candidates family treeswhy?  Well, no bastard shall
enter the doors until the fifth generation...I knew Gerald Ford's real
name was Leslie King, long before the lips of Walter Cronkite put this
fact forth; why?  The John Birch Society - and how did they know this?
Through the archives of the Mormons, whose Church they invaded like the
7 day locust.  However, I believe th John Birch Society only made one
error in judgement; and tht was to report that JFK was member of CFR;
much, much later, they retracted this statement.

Remember when Gerald Ford's brother was driving down a lonely road...and
suddenly, he was killed all one on the road, in his automobile in an
accident.  And Gerald Ford - his brother too was named Leslie
Ford.why - two Leslie Fordsbut the later like the one
Rockefeller met death in a similar accidentthat was the year of King
Tut.

"God is the keeper of accurate and perfect records...everu citizen of
that kingdom shall be registered by God for exceptional
privileges."so sayeth Jerry Falwell in his interpretation of the
above pslm.

One day if there is truly a God, and I hope there truly is and I hope he
has a sense of humor, or we is in troubleme too.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Michael: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread M.A. Johnson

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von Mises:
   Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces
   operate.  It means: Let each individual choose how he wants
   to cooperate in the social division of labor; let the
   consumers determine what the entrepreneurs should produce.
nurev wrote:
   This is nonsense when the means of communication and mind
   control in the form of advertising is monopolized by the
   " producers." Consumers get to choose from what the producers
   offer them. Not the best, just the most profitable.

   There is no invisible hand. Just visible greed.

MJ:
No one is FORCED to purchase *anything* (except Government).
So long as this same entity does not prevent entry into the
marketplace, *anyone* may 'offer' alternatives.

Regard$,
--MJ

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of
belief in freedom itself.  -- Milton Friedman

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Re: [CTRL] SKEPTICS Re: [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]

1999-05-07 Thread Ric Carter

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From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Do you do better with graphic representations than symbols? Benoit
  Mendelbrot [fractals] is a famous mathoid with almost no numeric
  sense, who works almost entirely with graphic visualizations which
  he then tranlates into symbolic systems - but the image comes first.
 
 Definitely...I have a very strong sense of pattern recognition. Set out
 to become a commercial artist, until I discovered that my colorblindness
 was too much of a handicap.

Hmm, maybe you could do art for left-liberal publication, illustrating
shades-of-grey in otherwise polarized black'n'white issues, eh?  Or you
could design some new monochrome web pages for vision-impaired users as
mandated for federally-supported net sites.  Or work on dramatic videos.

 (My genome is a patchwork of sublethal recessive traits.)

Aren't we all?  #8-)

 Of COURSE I'm part of the Sinister Conspiracy! We came out into the open
 for the first time in 1992, when ALL THREE Presidential candidates --
 Clinton, Bush, and Perot -- were left-handed... [Cue "Twilight Zone"
 theme.]

There you have it, folks, an open admission.  Roll the recorders...

   The BBC article notes that the left frontal lobe, where exact calcu-
   lations take place, also seems to control connections between words;
   this makes me suspect that there may be a relationship, at least in
   my case, between my left-handedness and my dyscalculia.
 
  What else happens in the left frontal lobe? Paranormal activity, alien
  implants, mind-control-ray and/or hallucinogen and/or pain/pleasure
  receptors, glossolalia, sexuality... what else?
 
 Good question. I'll look into that.

Please do.  And report your findings on this forum, that they may be
mercilessly pecked apart by those specializing in such anal-ysis, eh?

  Ric "cleanliness is next" Carter

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Re: [CTRL] The 13th Illuminati Bloodline

1999-05-07 Thread Colleen Jones

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Correction in my letter re Gerald FordHis real name was Leslie King,
nor Ford, and his brother's name was Leslie King, not Fordrather,
may have been a step brother.

I always wondered if Gerald Ford had to take a new name.why did he
and his brother, both have the same name "Leslie King".the Man Who
Would Be King was a masonic movie, in which they played the song The
Drummer Boy..in the Tribe of Dan you would find him...the symbol of
the Eagle.

So - we had two Leslie King who were brothersand the one took the
name of Gerald Ford, and became the President of the United States.

I always thought though, Gerald Ford was the right man for the right
time...not too bright, played football without a helmet too long they
saybut somehow, one felt safe with him at the helm.

He beats the hell out of that guy with the CFR who keeps gloating how
many "we" got in NATO know, and who is so obnoxious, he is in the right
company.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Fw: MIT professor goes to DC -- to testify about violence in media

1999-05-07 Thread CobolMage

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Subject: FC: MIT professor goes to DC -- to testify about violence in media


[Yep, that's pretty much the way hearings work. --Declan]

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Subject: Prof. Jenkins Goes to Washington

It was suggested that you would find this account of my testimony before the
U.S. Senate of interest and so I am passing it along to you. Feel free to
distribute it on your list.

So many people have asked for the details that I've decided to write out a
personal narrative that can circulate where-ever anyone wishes.

This is the story of how a mild mannered MIT Professor ended up being called
before Congress to testify about "selling violence to our children" and what
it is like to testify.

Where to start? For the past several months, ever since my book, FROM BARBIE
TO MORTAL KOMBAT: GENDER AND COMPUTER GAMES appeared, I've been getting
calls to talk about video game violence. It isn't a central focus of the
book, really. We were trying to start a conversation about gender, about the
opening up of the girls game market, about the place of games in "boy
culture," and so forth. But all the media wants to talk about is video game
violence. Here is one of the most economically significant sectors of the
entertainment industry and here is the real beach head in our efforts to
build new forms of interactive storytelling as part of popular, rather than
avant garde, culture, but the media only wants to talk about violence. These
stories always follow the same pattern. I talk with an intelligent reporter
who gives every sign of getting what the issues are all about. Then, the
story comes out and there's a long section discussing one or another of a
seemingly endless string of anti-popular culture critics and then a few
short comments by me rebutting what they said. A few times, I got more
attention but not most. But these calls came at one or two a week all fall
and most of spring term. Then, when the Littleton shootings, they increased
dramatically. Suddenly, we are finding ourselves in a national witch hunt to
determine which form of popular culture is to blame for the mass murders and
video games seemed like a better candidate than most. So, I am getting calls
back to back from the LA TIMES, THE NY TIMES, The Christian Science Monitor,
The Village Voice, Time, etc., etc., etc. I am finding myself denounced in
The Wall Street Journal op-ed page for a fuzzy headed liberal who blames the
violence on "social problems" rather than media images. And, then, the call
came from the U.S. Senate to see if I would be willing to fly to Washington
with just a few days notice to testify before the Senate Commerce Committee
hearings. I asked a few basic questions, each of which feared me with
greater dread. Turned out that the people testifying were all anti-popular
culture types, ranging from Joseph Lieberman to William Bennett, or industry
spokesmen. I would be the only media scholar who did not come from the
"media effects" tradition and the only one who was not representing popular
culture as a "social problem." My first thought was that this was a total
setup, that I had no chance of being heard, that nobody would be sympathetic
to what I had to say, and gradually all of this came to my mind as reasons
to do it and not reasons to avoid speaking. It felt important to speak out
on these issues.

A flashback: When I was in high school, I wore a trenchcoat (beige, not
black), hell, in elementary school I wore a black vampire cape and a
medallion around my neck to school. I was picked on mercilessly by the
rednecks who went to my school and I spent a lot of time nursing wounds,
both emotional and some physical, from an essentially homophonic
environment. I was also a sucker for Frank Capra movies -- Mr. Smith Goes to
Washington most of all -- and films like 1776 which dealt with people who
took risks for what they believed. I had an amazing high school teacher,
Betty Leslein, who taught us about our government by bringing in government
leaders for us to question (among them Max Clevland, who was then a state
legislature and now a member of the Commerce Committee) and sent us out to
government meetings to observe. I was the editor of the school paper and got
into fights over press censorship. And I promised myself that when I was an
adult, I would do what I could to speak up about the problems of free speech
in our schools. Suddenly, this was a chance.

I also had been reading Jon Katz' amazing coverage on the web of the
crackdown in schools across America on free speech and expression in the
wake of the shootings. Goth kids harassed for wearing subcultural symbols
and pushed into therapy. Kids suspended for writing the wrong ideas in
essays or raising them in class 

[CTRL] [3] Revelations of an International Spy

1999-05-07 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
Revelations of an International Spy
I. T. T. Lincoln
Robert M. McBride  Company©1916
New York
--[3]--

CHAPTER III

HOW I OBTAINED THE SECRETS OF THE FRENCH FOREIGN OFFICE

BEFORE I proceed with my narrative I must introduce two interesting persons,
both of whom played a very important part as sources of secret diplomatic
intelligence in what is to follow:

"My Readers-Mademoiselle Celeste."

"My Readers-Monsieur Legrange."

Mademoiselle, I met at Ostend—the rendezvous of the upper 10,000 in summer,
the queen of the watering places, gay, fashionable Ostend. It was in 1906. I
often spent my week-ends there, not only to seek recreation and divertisement
from the week's work, but principally on the lookout for a female secret
agent. I was looking out for one of those demi-mondaines who combine to a
remarkable degree intelligence, wit, shrewdness, and spirit of adventure with
superb physical beauty. You find in Ostend during July and August (not since
1909 when the gaming laws were rigidly enforced) the leaders of the
demi-monde, those who in the late fall are in Paris; in winter, in Nice and
Monte Carlo; in the spring, in Algiers; and in the summer, in Ostend or
Trouville.

I have met several of them; but alas, when I put them through the various
tests, they were all found wanting. At last my chance came, for chance it
was. One afternoon I went into the superb Kursaal (the finest in the world)
of Ostend and straightway I steered towards the club privee, under which
pseudonym the gambling rooms have to be understood. This had to be done in
order to circumvent the Belgian gaming laws. Nobody except members could gain
admission-but everybody could become a member. So this day I went in, always
looking out for a suitable medium—for I had important work in hand for which
a female spy was indispensable. There was only one roulette table in Ostend
and that one without zero. At all the other tables, baccarat a' deux tables
was being played. The roulette was merely there to draw the crowd-it was only
open three times a day, one hour each time, the rest of the time one had to
play baccarat. So this day when I got to the roulette table there was not
only no seat to be had, but a crowd three deep was surging right round the
table. I took up my position at the near corner behind a lady and a gentleman.

"Faites vos jeux, Messieurs, le jeu est fait, rien va plus"—around went the
ivory ball. I could not take part in the game, could simply not get anywhere
near enough. The lady and gentleman in front of me-whom I thought were
together—staked and lost. Again and again.

"Rien va plus," sounded the monotonous and mechanical invitation of the
croupier.

"Mettez votre argent sur le deux," ventured I forth with my advice to the
lady in front of me.

She turned around—great Scott! what a beauty I and when she plaintively
asked, "Croyez vous que je gagnerais," with a melancholy look in her charming
blue eyes, I thought I felt an electric shock. She followed my advice and she
won! Strange coincidence.

Now she turned to me for further advice.

"Le neuf!"  I said I convincingly.

She staked and won again. Many noticing my strange powers of prophecy, now
eagerly asked me for a tip!

"L'onze," I said as if I had been a real prophet.

Truth is stranger than fiction. My third number won. Never in all my gambling
experience had I myself spotted three numbers in succession. I now advised my
follower to stop and leave the table. I myself felt compelled to leave it—for
my renown as a prophet soon spread right around the table and the notoriety
thus gained became decidedly embarrassing. I sauntered out, went into the
large baccarat room, and did not notice at all that I was followed by Lady
Beauty.

"Monsieur, je dois vous remercier bien vivement, mais quelle chance." She
said this so nicely, accompanied by a bewitching smile and enchanting twinkle
in her eyes that I felt amply repaid for my jocular advice.

"Vous avez bien fait de discontinuer de jouer— et votre ami?"

"Le qui?"

"Le Monsieur a' cote de vous."

"Lui? It n'est pas mon ami, je ne le connais pas."

Oho! that was good information. Right away I invited her to tea, which she
accepted.

We sat down to a table near the glass door looking out on the light green
North Sea and facing the orchestra; there was just then the daily organ
recital.

She called herself Celeste. Celeste, the Charming. For such was she. Of
charming figure, golden blonde, sparkling blue eyes, and the daintiest hands
I have ever set my eyes upon. A fluent and entertaining conversationalist,
chittering like a happy young bird under a blue sky, full of vivacity, verve
and playfulness. She was my guest at dinner; I met her next day and we spent
the day together; that was Sunday. I had to return to Brussels but promised
to see her next Saturday. As a matter of fact I went out to Ostend on
Wednesday afternoon. I was anxious to find out whether she was the much
sought agent.

I was 

[CTRL] [20] The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

1999-05-07 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty America's Royal Family
Emanuael M. Josephson©1948
CHEDNEY PRESS
127 East 69th Street
New York 21, N. Y.
--[20]--
CHAPTER XX

"OIL IS THICKER THAN BLOOD"

PEARL HARBOR

A ROOSEVELT-ROCKEFELLER-STANDARD OIL VICTORY

By the nineteen hundred and twenties the Socony-Vacuum, Standard Oil
subsidiaries had gained a virtual monopoly of the market for oil for the
lamps of China. It was a monopoly dear to the heart of Rockefeller, of the
type he sought to extend to the whole world. Kerosene was sold at prohibitive
prices in tiny amounts to fill gift lamps distributed by the Company. But if
ever the rich Chinese oil resources were developed such fantastic prices for
kerosene even in beautiful tin cans, would be out of the question. It was
essential for the monopoly and price structure that no oil be produced in
China. The Soongs and the Nationalist Government saw to that. Blunt General
Smedley Butler of the United States Mairines, after his retirement roared,
"All I ever did for twenty-five years in China is watch Standard Oil cans."

All went well until the War Lord of the Shansi province granted a concession
to the Japs to drill for oil. The Japs found oil aplenty. This was a serious
threat to the Standard Oil monopoly in China. The Chinese Nationalist
Government was ordered to seize the War Lord if necessary, cancel the
concession and oust the Japs. This was done in 1927.

The Japs did not take kindly to cancellation of their oil concession after
spending a hundred million yen on it. Nor did they feel kindly toward the
Rockefeller. Standard Oil crowd whom they knew to be responsible. They vowed
to come back and seize China, if necessary to get their oil.

The Japs made good their threats and proceeded to seize China in the first
Shanghai incident in 1931. And they did not forget the role played by the
RockefellerStandard Oil crowd in the cancellation of the con. cessions. They
avenged themselves wherever they went by destroying Rockefeller-Standard Oil
property first.

An illustration of how far the Japs went in destroying Rockefeller-Standard
Oil property is the Panay in. cident. The gunboat Panay was the only
representative of the United States Navy in the China Seas. For six years it
plied the Yangtze River during the Jap invasions of China but was never
molested. Suddenly one day in 1937, the news was blazoned to a shocked world
that the Panay had been shelled by the Japs. It has never been told that the
reason why the Panay had been shelled, was that it was convoying two Standard
Oil tankers. That, the Japs would not tolerate.

The efforts of the Rockefeller-Standard Oil group to protect their property
took three directions. First in April 1938, within a short time after the
Panay incident, they made the Mitsuis of Japan, who with the Zaibatsu
dominated Hiroshito and Japan's policies, their exclusive agents in North
China and all conquered territory in Asia. This placed the
Rockefeller-Standard Oil group in a position to influence Japan's policies.

But it has always been a Rockefeller policy never to be satisfied with half a
loaf when they can get a whole loaf at no expense to themselves. To
accomplish a destruction of Japan, it was necessary to bring the American
Army to the rescue of their property in China. But it would have been futile
for the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests to ask Congress to declare war on
Japan because it was destroying their property in China.

Even their numerous agents in Congress could not afford to vote for a war on
such grounds. To avoid committing political suicide, they would have to
reply: "Go fly your own kite."

If however, Japan could be induced to attack the U.S.—that would be a
different story. To accomplish this purpose, it was imperative that the
American public should have no suspicion of the significance to the
Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests of Japan's aggression on China; and they
never were told. This was accomplished by Rockefeller's control of the press
and other avenues of publication, and the control of every newspaper and news
service of importance in the land. Through the Chase National Bank, the
Rockefellers control all the Hearst publications and the International News
Service; also the United News Service and the Scripps Howard chain. The
Associated Press is entirely under their domination. Arthur Hays Sulzberger
of the New York Times is on the Board of Directors of the Rockefeller
Foundation since rumors have circulated of his sale of the Times to
Rockefeller interests.

Control of the press is the Rockefeller-Standard Oil practice in every land
in which they operate. Thus when they sought the French oil monopoly, they
purchased three Paris newspapers—Le Matin, Figaro and L'Eclair. Their
experience has taught them not to underestimate the power of the press
amongst a free people.

They control directly or indirectly, also the 

[CTRL] Quinn Interviews Columbine student, more gunmen

1999-05-07 Thread Steve Wingate

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John Quinn: The Rocky Mountain Horror Show
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/Quinn_Colorado.html
Quinn Interviews Columbine student, more gunmen
URGENT:

 I have conducted a telephone interview with Columbine High School
student and witness Chris Wisher on 5/7/99.
 Among his remarks and comments, Mr. Wisher stated to me that he and
companions are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that AT LEAST THREE
perpetrators were
involved in the mayhem at the school. This was directly witnessed by them
outside the school building. One of these was the person in a white
T-shirt throwing bombs onto the school roof. Another was someone OTHER
THAN Harris or Klebold, OUTSIDE, in a black trenchcoat with a shotgun.
SIMULTANEOUSLY they heard shots coming from INSIDE THE SCHOOL!.
 Mr. Wisher also stated that he is personally acquainted with
another witness who witnessed a GROUP OF 7-8 ASSAILANTS
UPSTAIRS at
Columbine, when Harris and Klebold were downstairs!
 Mr. Wisher further stated that he is personally acquainted with a
witness who was blatantly coerced by Sheriff's Dept. investigators to
CHANGE THEIR TESTIMONY REGARDING ADDITIONAL GUNMEN!
Every time she stated
that she saw more than three people they attempted to get her to CHANGE
HER TESTIMONY!
 Mr. Wisher stated that many Columbine students, including himself,
WILL NOT RETURN TO SCHOOL, because some of the murderers are
RIGHT THERE,
ATTENDING SCHOOL!

 Further details forthcoming.
 DON'T LET THE "AUTHORITIES" GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!



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[CTRL] More on the Bilderberg Meetings....

1999-05-07 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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 Also Here...  http://the-news.net/archives/bilburg01-5.htm

International power brokers meet to discuss global future
World's most secret society to meet in Sintra
Bilderberg, reputedly the most secretive organisation in the world,
comprising presidents, royal families, ministers, top industrialists and
financial leaders are set to meet in Sintra at the beginning of June.
Francisco Pinto Balsamão, former Portuguese PM, media baron and frequent
attendee of the meetings is listed as the member for Portugal. The security
for the Bilderberg meetings, which are held at irregular intervals and
prompted by the state of world affairs, is the responsibility of the host
country. According to sources in Washington, Bilderberg will pay hundreds of
thousands of dollars to reimburse the Portuguese government for deploying
military forces to guard their privacy and for helicopters to seek out
intruders. Bilderberg have ordered the resort to be shut down for a full 48
hours before the conference.
The Bilderberg delegates, comprising some of the world's most powerful
decision makers, will be here to discuss highly classified issues which are
not supposed to be disclosed to the public by the press before or after the
meeting.
Initially alerted to this meeting by a New York reader who requested
anonymity, The News contacted the Caesar Park Penha Longa resort in Sintra
to verify the information that the secret meeting will be held at their
resort. The only confirmation we received was that an organization 'wishing
for the utmost privacy' would be in Sintra and that the hotel was fully and
exclusively booked by this organisation from June 2 to June 7.
The agenda for the meeting is said to include a "globilaztion summit",
during which nations which cling tenaciously to their sovereign identities
will be denounced by its leadership.
The principal feature of Bilderberg is that it seeks one global government,
(a structure similar to the European Union), while counteracting nationalist
sentiment is supposedly its greatest battle. Renewed calls for the United
Nations to be able to directly tax all people of the world is said to be
another major topic to be tabled for discussion in Sintra.
The Bilderberg meetings are only held when and where the hosts can provide
the highest levels of security for their guests. All Bilderberg
participants, their staff members and resort employees will wear photo
identification tags. They will have separate colours to identify the wearer
as participant, staff member or employee. A computer chip "fingerprint" will
assure the identity of the card's wearer.
According to the Washington based investigative newsletter, Spotlight, who
claims to have a contact inside Bilderberg, any intruders are to be
manhandled, cuffed and jailed and if the intruders resist arrest or attempt
to flee, they will be shot.
International and national media are said to be welcome only when an oath of
silence has been taken, news editors are held responsible if any of their
journalists 'inadvertently' report on what takes place.
Bilderberg members are immune to all forms of bureaucracy that face ordinary
citizens on a daily basis. No visas are required and a free and safe passage
is provided by the government hosting the Bilderberg rendezvous. They travel
to and from the airport to the resort in armoured vehicles with a police
escort.
Meetings are said to be held at random intervals, and rarely at the same
locations for obvious security reasons.
The first Bilderberg conference was held in May 1954, and the organization
was said to have been established as a secret and supportive wing of NATO
and the Marshall plan which was launched in the 1940s.
International conspiracy
The News having researched various sources on the Bilderberg meetings,
discovered that PSD co-founder, Francisco Pinto Balsemão, allegedly attended
at least the previous two Bilderberg meetings held in Scotland (1998) and
Georgia in the United States (1997). Balsemão is said to be the only
Portuguese representative on the Bilderberg steering committee. Other
prominent figures listed to have attended previous meetings are Ricardo
Salgado chief executive officer at Banco Espirito Santo, Henry Kissinger,
Tony Blair (who attended the meeting held in 1995) and Giovanni Agnelli who
is the owner of the Fiat Motor Corporation.


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[CTRL] The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction

1999-05-07 Thread David Crockett Williams

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High Power Electromagnetic Pulse generation techniques and High Power
Microwave
technology have matured to the point where practical E-bombs
(Electromagnetic bombs) are becoming technically feasible, with new
applications
in both Strategic and Tactical Information Warfare.

The development of conventional E-bomb devices allows their use in
non-nuclear
confrontations. This paper discusses aspects of the technology base, weapon
delivery techniques and proposes a doctrinal foundation for the use of such
devices in warhead and bomb applications.

Full article

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-05-07 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990507b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GM pests bite back. (BBC) Genetically modifying crops to protect them from
pests may not work. A US study concludes that one of the main pests respon-
sible for damaging crops may be rapidly developing a resistance to GM pro-
ducts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_337000/337477.stm

@ Links: Genewatch: http://www.genewatch.org/
@ National Biotech Info Facility: http://www.nbif.org/

: Should we think of this as evolution in action? Can pests evolve faster
than humans? Are they aided by aliens, commies, demons, Republicans, you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BEAMING IS BELIEVING. Teleportation isn't just Star Trek fare anymore. New
research says practical applications for quantum transport are near at hand.
www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/technology/story/19551.html

@ Links: Technical Insights: http://www.wiley.com/technical_insights/
@ Los Alamos National Laboratory: http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/

: Where would you teleport to? Will this change everything? Is it more vital
than coldfusion, genetic magic, mind expansion? Can we beat the Reptilioids?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Solar Temple cult worries Canada. QUEBEC CITY (Reuters) More mass suicides
linked to the Order of the Solar Temple doomsday cult, implicated in 74
deaths in Canada and Europe in the past five years, are a real possibility
as the millennium nears, police said. "Yes, there are Solar Temple members
remaining in Quebec. There may be about 30 of them left." But not for much
longer: http://detnews.com/1999/religion/9905/07/04290018.htm

: What's your favorite suicide cult? Is it still around? Was it messy? Are
you a member? Are you still alive? Why? When's the best time for suicide?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Black is the new pink - pink holes observed with optical light telescopes.
Some black holes appear bright pink, Australian astronomers found. They're
still struggling to explain why but they speculate that the light emanates
from gas that is being ripped apart as it disappears into the black hole.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_337000/337768.stm

@ Black hole FAQs 1: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/lib/bh_faq.html
@ Black hole FAQs 2: http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/abholes.html
# Also: Megablasts in space:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_317000/317233.stm
# New black holes discovered:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_318000/318884.stm
# Hubble reveals stellar traffic jam:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_29/290062.stm
# Hubble finds huge black hole:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_115000/115688.stm

: Are pink black holes the new gay pride emblem? Are these black holes pinko
commies? Are you? Are Reptilioids Socialists? What color are right-wingers?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Strong Teeth Show True Grit? HELSINKI, Finland (Reuters) - Teeth can show
which soldiers should be leaders, a study of Finnish conscripts suggests.
A Finnish dentist examined almost 3,000 conscripts' teeth and found a
correlation with their owners' personalities. "Those with good teeth are
more group-leader types and those with poor teeth are more rank-and-file."
Those with good dental health were more responsible, more social and more
eager to look good in front of authorities such as dentists, the study
showed. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990507/12/odd-teeth

: Do teeth also correlate with propensities for alien abduction, subversion/
treason, paranormal beliefs, liberalism, atheism, webmastering, kiddie.porn?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Omigod! It's the Year Of Movies From Hell - As millennium nears, Hollywood
is giving the Devil his due.  There are only 241 days to the end of the
millennium.  Do you know where the Devil is?  Hollywood does, and in the
remaining months of 1999, it's bringing the Evil One to a theater near you.
In a high season of spiritual debauchery, American movies are going to hell.
www.mostnewyork.com/1999-05-05/New_York_Now/Movies/a-27785.asp?last6days=1

: Are Satanic/Demonic/Hell movies involved in mind-control plots by Xians,
anti-Xians, CIA, MI5, Reptilioids, MicroSoft, Bilderbergers, Coca-Cola, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SansComment:

# Pentagon confirms depleted uranium use. (BBC) The US Dept of Defense has
confirmed that its aircraft are using depleted uranium weapons in the Kosovo
conflict. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_337000/337855.stm

# SITES MUST RETOOL FOR DISABLED. Pending US rules will force Web sites run
by governments and government contractors to make design and content tweaks
to accommodate disabled users. The start of a whole new industry, again?
www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/19556.html

# 

Re: [CTRL] Nietzche is Dead (fwd)

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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   GOD'S TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT QUESTIONNAIRE
   by Michael Shermer

   God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage.  In
   order to better serve your needs, He asks that you take a few
   moments to answer the following questions.

   Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely
   confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address
   unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions.

   1. How did you find out about God?

  __ Newspaper__ Other Book
  __ Television   __ Divine Inspiration
  __ Word of mouth__ Near Death Experience
  __ Tabloid  __ Burning Shrubbery
  __ Bible_x_ Other
  __ Torah (specify): Indoctrination

   2. Which model God did you acquire?

  _x_ Yoweh   __ Father, Son  Holy Ghost Triplet
  __ Jehova  __ Jesus
  __ Alah__ Satan
  __ God __ None of the above, I was taken
  _x_ G_din by a false god

   3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in working
  order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes?

  __ Yes  _x_ No

  If no, please describe the problems you initially encountered
  here: As a figment of the imagination, he can't really do much.

   4. What factors were relevent in your decision to acquire a god?
  Please check all that apply.

  _x_ Indoctrinated by parents   __ Needed a reason to live
  _x_ Indoctrinated by society   _x_ Needed focus in who to despise
  __ Imaginary friend grew up   __ Hate to think for myself
  __ Wanted to meet girls/boys  _x_ Fear of death
  __ Wanted to piss off parents __ Needed a day away from work
  __ Desperate need for certainty   __ Like Organ Music
  __ Need to feel Morally Superior  __ My shrubbery caught fire
   and told me to do it

   5. Have you ever worshipped a God before?  If so, which false god
  were you fooled by?  Please check all that apply.

  __ Odin  __ Cthulhu
  __ Zeus  __ The Almighty Dollar
  __ Appolo__ Left Wing Liberalism
  __ Ra__ Barney T.B.P.D.
  __ The great Spirit  __ The Great Pumpkin
  __ The Sun   __ Bill Clinton
  __ The Moon  __ A burning cabbage
  __ The Bomb  __ Other: _None

   6. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration in
  addition to God?  Please check all that apply.

  __ Tarot__ Lottery
  __ Astrology__ Television
  __ Fortune cookies  __ Ann Landers
  __ Psychic Friends Network  __ Dianetics
  __ Palmistry__ Playboy and/or Playgirl
  __ Self-help books  __ Sex, Drugs and Rock-n-Roll
  __ Biorythms__ Bill Clinton
  __ Tea Leaves   __ EST
  __ Mantras  __ Jimmy Swaggert
  __ Crystals __ Human Sacrifice
  __ Pyramids __ Wandering around a desert
  __ Insurance policies   __ Burning Shrubbery
  __ Barney T.B.P.D.  __ Other: __
  __ Barney Fife  _x_ None

   7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to preserve
  the balanced level of felt presence and blind faith.  Which would
  you prefer (circle one)?

  a. More Divine Intervention
  b. Less Divine Intervention
  c. Current level of Divine Intervention is just right
  d. Don't know...what's Divine Intervention? __x__

   8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of disasters and
  miracles.  Please rate on a scale of 1 - 5 his handling of the
  following (1=unsatisfactory, 5=excellent):

  a. Disasters
 flood 1x   2   3   4   5
 famine1x   2   3   4   5
 earthquake1x   2   3   4   5
 war   1xxx   2   3   4   5
 pestilence1xx   2   3   4   5
 plague1x   2   3   4   5
 SPAM  1xxx   2   3   4   5
 AOL   1xxx   2   3 

[CTRL] Joshua #25 Continuing on...THE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION

1999-05-07 Thread M Shrum

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Joshua #25  Continuing on..."THE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION"
--
Michael  the Outlawlady
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[CTRL] ...we are opening our country to organised criminality'

1999-05-07 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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May 6 1999  OPINION



John Laughland

'In spontaneously opening our hearts to these Kosovan refugees, we are
opening our country to organised criminality'




The announcement yesterday that Britain will receive 1,000 Kosovan refugees
every week is excellent news - for heroin addicts, that is. The arrivals
from Kosovo are the final link in a chain which connects European users with
Central Asian producers. And the conflict in Kosovo is the latest in a
series of wars in the former communist bloc fought to seize control of drugs
trafficking routes. This war is criminal in every sense.

Just as previous wars were fought to control trade routes, whether for oil
or other commodities, so this conflict is drug-fuelled. The "ethnic"
uprisings which convulse formerly communist states invariably occur at
strategically important points on the Eurasian drug route. It runs from the
heroin fields of Afghanistan, through the former Soviet Central Asian
states, the Caucasus, Turkish Kurdistan and into the Balkans. Eighty per
cent of the heroin on sale in Europe now passes along this route.

Unlike normal trade, the drugs trade requires paramilitary control to be
exercised over territory. Private armies are needed to control land supply
routes to Europe.

Conflicts in formerly communist countries have an unerring tendency to take
place over the mountain passes and ports vital to the drugs trade. The
Chechen war in Southern Russia and the Ossetian conflict were battles for
control of the main road through the Caucasus Mountains. The Abhkhaz
uprising in Georgia in 1992-93, and the Albanian rebellion in 1997, were
conflicts over the control of ports.

The war in Kosovo is only the latest, most horrific, of these turf battles.
The KLA, whose activities are at the heart of the conflict, is an outgrowth
of the Kosovo Albanian mafia. These Kosovan criminals operate the most
powerful drug-running network in Europe.

The Albanian mafia's growth, and involvement in the Kosovo conflict, is the
horrific coda to a series of errors. First, the war in Yugoslavia between
1991-1995 disrupted the normal drugs route into Europe. Albanian criminals
profited from this disruption.

Secondly, the ranks of the criminals have been swollen by former communist
thugs deprived of a living by changes in Albania. When Sali Berisha was
elected head of Albania's democratic government in 1992 he sacked two-thirds
of the secret police force, the Sigurimi. They rapidly decanted themselves
into organised Albanian crime networks, just as East German Stasi agents
became active in the Russian mafia. Because Albania was now governed by a
democrat, these communist criminals concentrated their illegal activities
north of the border, in Yugoslav Kosovo.

Thirdly, in 1997, when President Berisha impounded 100 speedboats running
drugs, illegal immigrants and prostitutes across the Adriatic to Italy, the
mafia and the old Communist Party conspired to overthrow him. After the
coup, Jane's Intelligence Review wrote that Albania had become "the crime
capital of Europe". The mafia-communist seizure of power in Tirana in
mid-1997 allowed the KLA to concentrate on expanding its influence further
north, and the uprising within Yugoslavia began in earnest in January 1998.

Finally, a separate development in the mid 1990s made the need to control
the new drugs hub of Kosovo even more urgent than before. In March 1995, the
Schengen agreement abolished border controls throughout continental Europe.
Schengen conveniently created an entire frontier-free zone on the KLA's
doorstep, ripe for exploitation.



Albanians now control some 70 per cent of the heroin market in Germany and
Switzerland. The KLA's two main offices abroad are, unsurprisingly, in those
countries. There are now 2,000 Kosovan Albanians in Swiss prisons serving
sentences for drugs smuggling. The new implantation of Kosovan refugees in
Britain will give the KLA a new, and unexpected, base for its trafficking
here.

Not all the refugees, of course, will be drug-runners. But they will be
vulnerable to control by them. Cherie Blair, who cried at the refugees'
fate, may not have realised that they are also victims of the KLA, which
controls the camps. Reports from Macedonia and Albania confirm that KLA
"minders" ensure that all refugees peddle the same line when speaking to
Western journalists. KLA gangsters rob them of any remaining cash. And KLA
pimps driving Mercedes kidnap refugee girls for prostitution in Italy.

In spontaneously opening our hearts to these refugees, we are opening our
country to organised criminality.


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[CTRL] Kosovo rebels denounce peace bid!

1999-05-07 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Kosovo rebels denounce peace bid

By Liz Sly
Tribune Foreign Correspondent
May 7, 1999

  CONTINUING COVERAGE
Keep up with updated coverage on the bombings in Yugoslavia.



TIRANA, Albania -- The Kosovo Liberation Army Thursday said it would not
agree to lay down its arms under terms of the accord reached in Bonn for
ending the Kosovo conflict, offering a hint of just one of the difficulties
any peace settlement may encounter.

"After all that has happened in Kosovo in the past months, we cannot discuss
the disarming of the KLA," said Jakup Krasniqi, a senior KLA spokesman, in
response to the accord reached between NATO and Russia on the shape of
future security arrangements for Kosovo.

The accord includes a provision for the disarmament of the guerrilla army,
which is fighting Serb forces inside Kosovo and along its border with
Albania. The KLA seeks full Kosovo independence, not the "autonomy" sought
by NATO.

"The conditions under which the KLA will agree to disarm do not exist and I
do not think they will ever exist in the Balkans," Krasniqi said. "Such a
demand is very unjust."

Until now, the KLA has largely been discounted in efforts to reach a
solution to the Kosovo crisis. It is lightly armed and inexperienced, and
its leaders readily acknowledge that it is no match for the professionally
trained, well-armed Yugoslav army.

But it does have guns, and its ranks have been swelled by thousands, perhaps
tens of thousands, of new recruits from among the refugees forced from their
homes by the Serbs. KLA claims that it has 60,000 adherents both inside
Kosovo and along Albania's borders cannot be substantiated.

The KLA is adamantly opposed to any kind of deal that would uphold Serb
sovereignty over Kosovo, something President Clinton has insisted must be
maintained to protect the integrity of disputed borders throughout the
Balkans.

"This war makes no sense unless it results in the independence of Kosovo.
There is no other solution," Krasniqi said.

Political divisions among the fractious Kosovars are also deepening as the
conflict progresses. The shared horror of the brutality they have suffered
at Serb hands in recent weeks has temporarily masked those differences, but
they threaten to erupt into squabbles over who will control Kosovo's future
if a peace settlement is reached.

On the eve of the NATO bombing campaign, the KLA commanded the support of a
relatively small minority of Kosovars, most of whom had shunned the
guerrillas' embrace of violence in favor of the pacifist approach of the
interim Kosovo government of President Ibrahim Rugova.

But when the mass expulsions of Kosovars began, support for the KLA soared.
Rugova's appearance alongside Milosevic on television appealing for an end
to the bombing campaign caused many of his supporters to doubt his
leadership.

The KLA has now set up its own "government" of Kosovo and denounces the one
established under Rugova's presidency as a "traitor" and ally of Belgrade.

But Rugova's government continues to assert its existence as the true
representative of the Kosovo people because it was elected by an
overwhelming majority in clandestine elections held in 1997. It vilifies the
KLA as undemocratic and accuses it of Marxist-Leninist tendencies.

Rugova was allowed to leave Kosovo on Wednesday and at a press conference in
Rome Thursday he threw his support behind NATO participation in a
peacekeeping force.

There is also a small KLA faction loyal to Rugova's government, though the
bulk of the guerrilla army answers to the KLA-backed government. Although
their political leaders cannot agree, on the front lines the two KLA
factions are fighting as one army, according to KLA fighters on both sides
and independent observers.


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Re: [CTRL] Michael: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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"M.A. Johnson" wrote:

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 von Mises:
Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces
operate.  It means: Let each individual choose how he wants
to cooperate in the social division of labor; let the
consumers determine what the entrepreneurs should produce.
 nurev wrote:
This is nonsense when the means of communication and mind
control in the form of advertising is monopolized by the
" producers." Consumers get to choose from what the producers
offer them. Not the best, just the most profitable.

There is no invisible hand. Just visible greed.

 MJ:
 No one is FORCED to purchase *anything* (except Government).
 So long as this same entity does not prevent entry into the
 marketplace, *anyone* may 'offer' alternatives.

 Regard$,
 --MJ

That's right. No one is forced to buy food, or shelter, or
transportation,
or education, or health insurance, or entertainment, or life saving
drugs.
No one is FORCED to obtain money in a money based economic system. The
alternative, of course, is simply to die.In your ideal world of
freedom, all
have the freedom starve, freeze, or work for the likes of you.

Well guess what. There are a whole slew of other options.

Joshua2

 Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of
 belief in freedom itself.  -- Milton Friedman

You Libertarians are pathetic and ridiculous. You guys may be dumb
enough to equate freedom with the free market,  but just about
everyone
else knows that the free market = widespread slavery for working
people.
Just ask the grateful employees of Nike.

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[CTRL] Stupid KLA wanted to be a FOB.

1999-05-07 Thread nurev

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" Those who don't study history are condemmed to relive it."

These fools did not pay attention to what Bill does to his pals when
things get tough. They should have subscribed to this list for
enlightenment.

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 Kosovo rebels denounce peace bid

 By Liz Sly
 Tribune Foreign Correspondent
 May 7, 1999

   CONTINUING COVERAGE
 Keep up with updated coverage on the bombings in Yugoslavia.

 TIRANA, Albania -- The Kosovo Liberation Army Thursday said it would not
 agree to lay down its arms under terms of the accord reached in Bonn for
 ending the Kosovo conflict, offering a hint of just one of the difficulties
 any peace settlement may encounter.

 "After all that has happened in Kosovo in the past months, we cannot discuss
 the disarming of the KLA," said Jakup Krasniqi, a senior KLA spokesman, in
 response to the accord reached between NATO and Russia on the shape of
 future security arrangements for Kosovo.

 The accord includes a provision for the disarmament of the guerrilla army,
 which is fighting Serb forces inside Kosovo and along its border with
 Albania. The KLA seeks full Kosovo independence, not the "autonomy" sought
 by NATO.

 "The conditions under which the KLA will agree to disarm do not exist and I
 do not think they will ever exist in the Balkans," Krasniqi said. "Such a
 demand is very unjust."

 Until now, the KLA has largely been discounted in efforts to reach a
 solution to the Kosovo crisis. It is lightly armed and inexperienced, and
 its leaders readily acknowledge that it is no match for the professionally
 trained, well-armed Yugoslav army.

 But it does have guns, and its ranks have been swelled by thousands, perhaps
 tens of thousands, of new recruits from among the refugees forced from their
 homes by the Serbs. KLA claims that it has 60,000 adherents both inside
 Kosovo and along Albania's borders cannot be substantiated.

 The KLA is adamantly opposed to any kind of deal that would uphold Serb
 sovereignty over Kosovo, something President Clinton has insisted must be
 maintained to protect the integrity of disputed borders throughout the
 Balkans.

 "This war makes no sense unless it results in the independence of Kosovo.
 There is no other solution," Krasniqi said.

 Political divisions among the fractious Kosovars are also deepening as the
 conflict progresses. The shared horror of the brutality they have suffered
 at Serb hands in recent weeks has temporarily masked those differences, but
 they threaten to erupt into squabbles over who will control Kosovo's future
 if a peace settlement is reached.

 On the eve of the NATO bombing campaign, the KLA commanded the support of a
 relatively small minority of Kosovars, most of whom had shunned the
 guerrillas' embrace of violence in favor of the pacifist approach of the
 interim Kosovo government of President Ibrahim Rugova.

 But when the mass expulsions of Kosovars began, support for the KLA soared.
 Rugova's appearance alongside Milosevic on television appealing for an end
 to the bombing campaign caused many of his supporters to doubt his
 leadership.

 The KLA has now set up its own "government" of Kosovo and denounces the one
 established under Rugova's presidency as a "traitor" and ally of Belgrade.

 But Rugova's government continues to assert its existence as the true
 representative of the Kosovo people because it was elected by an
 overwhelming majority in clandestine elections held in 1997. It vilifies the
 KLA as undemocratic and accuses it of Marxist-Leninist tendencies.

 Rugova was allowed to leave Kosovo on Wednesday and at a press conference in
 Rome Thursday he threw his support behind NATO participation in a
 peacekeeping force.

 There is also a small KLA faction loyal to Rugova's government, though the
 bulk of the guerrilla army answers to the KLA-backed government. Although
 their political leaders cannot agree, on the front lines the two KLA
 factions are fighting as one army, according to KLA fighters on both sides
 and independent observers.

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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Friday, May 7, 1999

1999-05-07 Thread CobolMage

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for May 7, 1999

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   In This Issue...
   * Drug warrior calls for "Faith Initiative"
   * National Day of Prayer celebrated as Atheists protest
   * Canady ready to introduce new RLPA: ACLU balks at support
   * TheistWatch: Obedient, mindless kids?
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   DRUG CZAR USES NATIONAL PRAYER RALLY TO CALL FOR
 "FAITH" INITIATIVE

White House drug czar Gen.  Barry McCaffrey yesterday told the
National Day of Prayer rally in Washington that the White House
intends to enlist churches and other religious groups in its latest
effort to combat substance abuse.  Citing fond memories of his days in
parochial school as well as the alleged power of prayer, McCaffrey
unveiled the Anti-Drug Faith Initiative, declaring "Never before in
our nation's history has it been more important to pray for our young
people."

The Washington Post noted, "The initiative is one of a growing number
of partnerships between government, usually at the state level, and
religious institutions."  The drug war general declared that the
program would "preserve the separation of church and state," since his
Office of National Drug Control Policy would only make "suggestions to
churches" about the various outreaches they could implement.
"McCaffrey has already met with Christian and Jewish leaders around
the country to try to start drug programs in their community," added
the paper.

McCaffrey's announcement was made at the Washington, D.C.  rally for
the National Day of Prayer forum on Capitol Hill.  400 people crowded
into the Cannon House Office Building room, where Shirley Dobson --
wife of Focus on the Family head James Dobson -- opened the event.
Press handouts noted that McCaffrey was "representing the executive
branch" of government with his appearance at the controversial
gatherings.

Describing prayer and what he termed "the big S" of spirituality,
McCaffrey opined that just as praying had helped soldiers in Vietnam,
a generation later it could play a valuable role in the drug war.
"Prayer comes before change," he said.  "Insight precipitates
behavior."

   "Faith-Based" Social Programs

For state-church separationists, McCaffrey's remarks are a disturbing
indicator of how far the rage with so-called "faith-based" initiatives
and programs involving government and religion has gone.
"Partnerships" between government agencies and religious organizations
are widespread, and states like New Jersey have even established
formal agencies to encourage such relationships.  There is little
oversight to guard against violations of the establishment clause.

McCaffrey's "Faith Initiative" was presaged in June, 1997, when
President Clinton signed into law the Drug-Free Communities Act.
Gushing about the new legislation, Rep.  Rob Portman (R-OH) declared
that the legislation would "benefit communities that have mobilized
key sectors -- parents, kids, businesses, churches, educators, law
enforcement and others -- to reduce teenage drug use."

While grants from such programs are theoretically not to be used for
religious proselytizing, there is little oversight to ensure that
faith-based organizations do not, in fact, use the funding in programs
that subtly or overtly meld religious doctrine and "drug war"
community efforts.  McCaffrey's enthusiasm for prayer, as well as his
willingness to share the podium with the fundamentalist-evangelical
leadership of the National Day of Prayer Task Force, suggests that
this "faith based" initiative could be another step in the goal of
putting religious groups on the public payroll.

**

   Related Story...

   NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER CELEBRATED ACROSS NATION
  AS ATHEISTS PROTEST

Organizers of Thursday's National Day of Prayer claimed that nearly 2
million people throughout the country turned out for breakfasts,
lunches, rallies at government buildings and flagpoles and other
activities to celebrate this year's event.  20,000 community
gatherings were slated, including the NDOP rally on Capitol Hill at
the House Office Building.  Atheists responded with small but spirited
and effective demonstrations in San Jose and Redding, California, and
Dallas Texas.

* In Washington, 400 "prayer warriors" crowded into the Cannon House
Office Building to hear a battery of speakers introduced by National
Day of Prayer Task Force head Shirley Dobson.  Franklin Graham, son of
evangelist Billy Graham, told the group that "storm 

Re: [CTRL] British?

1999-05-07 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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By Tom Buerkle International Herald Tribune

LONDON - To judge by its symbols, the state of Britain is as solid and
enduring as ever. The guard changes daily at Buckingham Palace, the
But as voters launched a historic experiment in self-government with
elections in Scotland and Wales on Thursday, the big question facing
Britons was whether the devolution of political power would undermine their
sense of national identity.

The postwar era has seen the decline of many of the institutions that
traditionally bound the peoples of the British Isles together, while the
transformation of Welsh and Scottish cultural identities into political
power shows signs of awakening English nationalism.

absolute gibberish see 'The Avengers' Movie - and decades of National
provocation from England.
The Avengers Movie never made the Cinemas in Scotland because it was
released the same time that people were to vote for Devolution.
Its arrogance would have so enraged the Scottish Voters that it never
made the cinemas on pretext of being a flop ... it is a bad movie but
its special effects are better than 'The faculty' etc etc
It is that overt and arrogant and unreal declaration of superiority by
the English that gets up everyones nose here.

''Many factors behind the Union have ceased to operate, like Empire and the
dominance of Protestantism, or are coming under strain, such as the cult of
the monarchy,''
Margaret Thatcher officially dissolved the Union of Crowns in its own terms
in the late 70's, 80's when she Introduced a tax ONLY in Scotland called the
Poll Tax.
This was because it was to be an unpopular tax so it was tried on the Scots
first - there wasn't much reaction, so they introduced it to England and Wales
and there were immediately massive riots in English Inner Cities.

said Linda Colley, a historian at the London School of
Economics. Ms. Colley, whose views are widely admired inside the government
of Prime Minister Tony Blair, says the country needs to ''reinvent
Britishness'' as a collection of different identities that draws strength
from its diversity.
Television programmes and other media have been deliberately destroying the
Unionist cause for years.
Its as though the English want to break up the Country.
Other bits of arrogance flouted for years at the Scottish working class
are the strips of the English International Soccer and Rugby teams that have
No legal/heraldic entitlement to incorporate the colour Blue.
The English national colours are red and white, but the powers that be
subsume the colours of the Union by running about in Scottish colours,
whilst representing England.

Pronouncements about the death of Britain are no doubt premature. Mr.
Blair's Labour Party seemed set to win the largest bloc of seats in
Scotland and Wales after campaigning in defense of the Union and warning of
the potential economic and political costs of independence.

Blair has No working majority in Scotland after the Scottish elections
and will be made to repeal cuts on public services by the Liberal Democrats
with whom he must form a coalition.

Still, evidence abounds of shifting loyalties in Britain. According to
recent polls, roughly two-thirds of people in Scotland identify themselves
as Scottish rather than British, a finding that has echoes in Wales and
Northern Ireland.

In what many people here perceived as the ultimate irony, the British
Broadcasting Corp. recently warned its own programmers about using the term
''British,'' because Scots get angry if English soccer hooligans are
referred to as British, or referring to Britain as a ''nation,'' since many
Scots and Welsh consider themselves nations within the United Kingdom.

Yes this has happened so often - we've had 30 years of this.

The Times newspaper blasted the BBC under the headline, ''The nation that
dare not speak its name.''

BBC recently blocked the opportunity for Scotland to have its own news
programme.

The success of Labour's campaign and the decline in support for Scottish
independence, which polls indicate only a minority would favor, suggest
that Mr. Brown's vision is shared by many Britons.

Incorrect, the Scottish election shows a slump in labour vote and an increase
in the 'National Socialist' vote.

Scottish nationalism developed in the 1980s largely out of frustration at
the right-wing policies of Margaret Thatcher, whose Conservative Party
dominated the British Parliament and, as a result, Scottish policy, even
though it won few seats in Scotland.

Incorrect, The Conservative Party won NO seats in Scotland, and only managed
to get some second class citizens into the recent election on the back of
the policies of Proportional Represenatation which they do not believe in.
Make No mistake here. BLAIRs Labour and the CONSERVATIVES are the same
stale anti-human party.

Today, many