date:19990606

[CTRL] http://www.presidentventura.com/

1999-06-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe




http://www.presidentventura.com/

The Draft Jesse Ventura
for President Committee
has authorized the
creation of a collection
of 10 campaign buttons.




Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hess Archives (http://www.compura.com/hess/herald1.htm)

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


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Reference Hessmy old Friend Sybil Leek charted an astrological route
for Hess to escape to Scotlandat that time she worked with Ian
Fleming.

Sybil also told me that the bible code/calendar that I had bungled onto
in the Gideon Bibleonly ten people knew how it was used, yet she had
never seen it.

Often she knew things but remained silent, or dropped a hint; she said
the bible code had been devised at Spandau where the 7 Nazis had been
held; which would figure in with its use by NATO...as all this stuff,
started about the same time.
This would explain the Russian guard, after the American guard started
warming up to the Nazis, took the watchword bible code from the Baron,
stating it was coded.
What could all these officers have in commonMasonry, and with a
bible you could communicate in any languge in the world; therefore, well
Rommel for certain was a Mason...without a doubt Speer and the Baron
would have been too.

They used a bird codedifferent birds for different countries; after
all these men were all officersthe colder the war with Russia, the
more the boys from NATO and the Pentagon, warmed up to the Nazis.
Today, look at Serbia; they hid the Jews from the Nazisis this some
kind of revenge...Zionists - or what is this destruction in th Balkans
really about.

Albert Speer, von BraunSpeer's diary and Rchard Nixon's love of
Albert Speervon Braun, at Red Stone Arsenal, and these Nazi doctors
running around during that period of time.The reason you cannot tell
the Nazis from the Communists, is simply they are birds of a
featherthe Russians got half of the German scientists, and we got
the other halfbetter a Cold War, that what has replaced itbetter
to know your enemies even though it is all just part of the Master Plan
for Death - the Spear of Destiny - the power which can be used for good
or for evilour NATO, has used this power for evil, and surely will
long remember the brave Serbs who cherished their country more than
their lives.

What a lot of bastards these NATO Generals have turned out to be; but
with a coward like Clinton backing them, no wonder nobody was really
afraid.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: How Christianity Harms the Race (http://www.amren.com/masterx.htm)

1999-06-06 Thread Howard R. Davis III

Title: Re: [CTRL] Fw: How Christianity Harms the Race (http://www.amren.com/masterx.htm)




In answer to the following. I believe that the natural inclination of humans to help one another has been subverted by Christ's enemies. It has been taken from them and put into the hands of those who would use force and has been perverted into a justification for its use. See Kosovo, etc. It has nothing to do with race.

Howard Davis

 How has Christianity sunk so low--and our people with it? The answer is that it has subverted inbred traits of altruism that help family and tribe survive, and has transmuted those traits into agents of passivity and surrender. Christianity has universalized altruism, thus stripping us of our defense against multiracialism. Today's Christianity drives us to betray our own interests to whoever asks. At the same time, a preoccupation with eternal reward in the world to come blinds some Christians to the consequences of their actions today.

Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


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Who is Pamela Anderson, Bill..

This guy with the implant at Leavenworth, is that the prison?

Reminds me of what my old bossie used to say.had this good friend
who was always in trouble, and he would call and I would have to call my
bossie and say "Jim wants to know if they can put him in jail for
that"to which my boss would say ' depends on where is is calling
from.

So, is this guy in jail?  Isn't Leavenworth a prison, or do they bake
bread or something.

How are you tonight Mr. Shannon.I spend part of the day at a
poolside but under an umbrella...surrounded by beautiful trees -

Do you have an implant in your brain?
I think in the center of the brain, there is a computer chip...and
when we drop dead, God down loads it.

Colleen

Be good, and say hello to Barley for me.

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread Amelia Edgeman


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Bill,
No more does Pamela Anderson have implants--the new mother for the second
time had them removed.  A huge collective sigh was heard from her many male
fans but I think she is exhibiting markedly improved judgment.
Amelia
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  ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE IMPLANTS? 


  Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does

   Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] your chance to vote: Ventura, Bush, or algore

1999-06-06 Thread Amelia Edgeman


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Colleen,
The Red Baron  as in Snoopy?
Amelia
Some of us are up past our bedtimes!

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] your chance to vote: Ventura, Bush, or algore


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 I VOTED THREE TIMES FOR VENTURA.HAVE ALWAYS HAD A MAD PASSION FOR
 WRESTLERS

 Colleen

 And I also had a mad passion for pilots and the Red Baron.

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Re: [CTRL] your chance to vote: Ventura, Bush, or algore

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


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Yes, I have a real photo of the Red Baron; he was only 24 when he
diedI keep getting older, and he remains the same; he looked like my
Uncle Augustus.

I voted three times for Jessie Ventura; I would love to see him take on
Al Gore physically.and in this corner.he would make a gumby doll
out of Gore.

Well, I should go to bed; I have been up reading all night on the
computer; I am going to send out all these songs ot hte
listChristmas songs, Hymns., Civil War Songs.even have We Are A
Band of Brothers..Huzza for the Bonnie Blue.

Good night you all.Goodnight EMael, and little Joshua 2I hope my
boys were good today when Moo Moo went outGoodnight John LeeGood
Night Bill Shannon and Barley..and I am out of hereGood Night,
You all..

Guess nobody is listening, is there.

Colleen

I Predict:  Gore will get beat; Hilliary get tromped; Clinton will have
a sex change; Monica will have a sex change...and they will get married,
after Hilliary divorces Bill.

I also predict Ventura will win if he runs, and Dan Quayle will attain
new heights to the Eagles Nest, so long as he keeps his big mouth shut
and thinks before he speaks (something I should practice also_

I also predict the brown cloud over the White House will turn black, and
I hope the blue bird of paradise gets Clinton when he walks under the
trees (along with the pigeons)

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[CTRL] Fwd: Folksong Index / Volkslieder Verzeichnis

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


Here are some Christmas Carols, Church Hymns, Civil War Songs and the
works.

Lots of secrets hidden in music too; but this is sent just for fun, for
anyone who occasionally gets homesick for good musiceven has Danny
Boy, Banks of Loch Lomond, or whwteer, and Annie Laurie (written by a
Douglas, no lesss) and Maryland My Maryland, as written by John Wilkes
Booth without a doubtusing th words Tannenbaum...nobody but Booth
could have written that as he had the soul of Shakespeare.

Colleen




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[CTRL] little Mary Manson

1999-06-06 Thread Tsadowq


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Previous Thread: Marilyn Manson on Littleton

(sing-along)

There's Charlie and there's Squeeky,
There's Marilyn who's freaky,
My song is tongue and cheeky,
The Manson Family

Fellow Lollards:

In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist

Antichrist?  lol

It is going to take FAR more than black nail polish and fishnet
stockings for junior girlie-man Manson to actually assume the
Antichrist (capital "A") role he attributes to himself.

In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

  MATTHEW CHAPTER 10
  16)  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
 be ye therefore WISE as serpents, and harmless as doves.

  LUKE CHAPTER 21
  15)  For I will give you a mouth and WISDOM, which all your
 adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

There are plenty other examples as well.

Of course, we don't expect Manson to actually know what
he is talking about, *especially* on biblical issues.  Still,
his ignorant and untrue statements on this subject, are
but the first knicks in his push-up bra.

It is interesting that Marilyn chose to include Koresh,
McViegh, and Jim Jones in the same sentence.

Manson actually makes a few statements that are true
enough, but he obviously lacks *real* cultural literacy.

The fact that the pro-life movement was blamed for the gunning
down of an abortionist-- is of course, a point of certain irony;
but hearing how screwed up the world is, from the wanna-be-
androgynous-alien-likes of the pancake faced, lace nightie
clad Manson, should at least be considered incongruent
absurdity to the Nth degree.

This guy (?) clearly recognizes his stature amongst the young
and influencible, but chooses the role of "Antichrist"

.And then spews his blather about how terrible the world is.

What a complete joker.

Excluding a review of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" that I wrote
back in the 70's, this is the most type-written characters I have
committed-- toward making comment on some guy who prefers
to parade around in garter-belts and high heels.

In the case of Frankenfurter, I was greatly amused.

In the case of little Mary Manson, we might hope for an alien abduction.

Still muttering,
Tsadowq

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[CTRL] Technology News from Wired News-voicemail H

1999-06-06 Thread Nicola Molloy

http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20032.html

Title: Technology News from Wired News

updated3:00a.m.5.Jun.99.PDT

Wired News
Webmonkey
Webmonkey Guides
HotWired Archives
Wired Magazine
Animation Express
Suck.com
All of HotWired
The Web -> HotBot

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Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]

1999-06-06 Thread Anonymous


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- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Weeelll, after long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that
 the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's, prob-
 lems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious and
 surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between differ-
 ent sexes.

 Remember, marriage --marriage to anyone or anything-- is the number one
 cause of divorce, and therefore, of broken families and all the human
 woes caused by that ...
 And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --ultimately
 responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority-- is sex, leading
 to the victim's conception.

Lovely funny.  Prudy

The solution is obvious: sex with animals, sex with machines, sex with
aliens.  I'm reminded of a poster picturing a dog humping a human's leg,
with the caption, SAFE SEX.  But even animals and aliens can carry some
nasty pathogens, so we're left with: sex with machines.  Teledildonics.
Hermitage.  Remember: hell is other people.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-06-06 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990606a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No carnivorous invertebrates were flagellated to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ ROMAN PISO FAMILY CREATED NEW TESTAMENT AND "JESUS". "We Jews and Church
Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesi-
zed by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the
masses and to placate slaves. This is why we Jews are the 'Chosen People'
and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the
lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts."
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/blasphemy.htm
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm
Also see: http://members.tripod.com/~ReuchlinA/

: Is Xianity just a Roman plot? Are all religions conspiracies? Are all pol-
itical, economic, artistic and athletic belief systems [Games] plots too?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ CLEAR THINKING NEEDED ON SEXUAL AMBIGUITY. A new book advocates a new att-
itude towards those babies born with ambiguous genitals, otherwise known as
intersex. Usually, surgery is performed, with the pediatric surgeon deciding
whether the child will be a boy or a girl. This author suggests we should
leave those babies intact, and allow them to develop a sexual identity as
they group up. She even suggests we add a gender designation of "intersex"
for babies who are not clearly male or female. She raises some interesting
and uncomfortable questions about this issue, which affects several thousand
people. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12977

: How many genders are enough? Can new genders be designed? Where in the sex
matrix are you now? Where would you prefer to be? How will you get there?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dentist Links Entity Possession to Organ Transplants and Blood Transfus-
ions. LOS ANGELES /PRNewswire/ -- Renowned dentist and hypnotherapist Dr.
Bruce Goldberg announces he has shown through his research that patients
can leave a hospital with more than the organ or blood they came for --
they can be possessed by entities!
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/06-02
-1999/954281EDATE=

: Were you ever possessed after a medical procedure? Are you possessed now?
What controls you? Who put it there? Will you possess the rest of us? When?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# IN ITALY: CLONE A HUMAN, GO TO JAIL? Some lawmakers in Italy want to end
its reputation as the "Wild West" of fertility treatment, and ban the use of
donor sperm and artificial insemination for women past menopause. They also
want to send doctors to jail for using donor sperm or cloning a human. This
from the country that gave the world Michelangelo and Galileo. A good
example of why the separation of church and state is such a good idea.
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12980
@ DO YOU THINK ITALY SHOULD BAN ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION?
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12963

: Should any restrictions be placed on reproductive technology? Will human
laws interfere with alien sexual experimentation? Should your clone go free?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# UFOs Reported in American Kitchens! NEW YORK /PRNewswire/ -- According to
a public opinion survey of 1,008 Americans, conducted by Tupperware (NYSE:
TUP), 56 percent of Americans sighted some type of UFO -- Unidentified Food
Object -- in their refrigerator.  Unidentified Food Objects (UFOs) are char-
acterized as food that has been in the refrigerator so long that you can't
remember what it once was.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/05-19
-1999/943035EDATE=

: Have alien lifeforms taken over your refrigerator, your kitchen, your home
and/or your mind? Do you know what's in the room with you? Is it pernicious?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs:

# Is NutraSweet Making Young People More Violent? Researchers link
  aspartame to lowered serotonin levels, resulting in violent behavior:
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Aspartame/aspartame.html

# Those Impossible Dinosaurs. Were the dinosaurs too big to carry
  their own weight under present gravity?
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Dinosaurs/dinosaurs.html

# The Electric Sun. New challenge to the fusion theory could change
  our understanding of the sun.
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/ElectricSun/electricsun.html

# Breakthrough in "Reverse Speech". New study proves humans' ability to
  decipher speech when played backwards.
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Story__Reverse_Speech/

# Italian Workshop on Planetary Catastrophe. International gathering of
  scientists and scholars to explore new theories of planetary violence.

[CTRL] Revising Capitalism

1999-06-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)


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New York Times
June 5, 1999

Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thunder
By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN

 Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns,
 thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand
 of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices
 and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed
 every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more
 than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of
 individuals into serving the social good.

 Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University,
 wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth.
 But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow.
 Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of
 competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of
 collaboration among rivals.

 Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas
 into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold
 rise in the living standards of American families over the last 100
 years, he says in a new manuscript. Baumol's contribution is not to
 emphasize the impact of innovation but to pinpoint how competition
 forces companies to make innovation routine, much as marketing and
 advertising are.

 In Baumol's analysis, capitalism emerges as a system that hums
 because it has figured out how to make innovation humdrum.

 Baumol shows how companies pour money not only into their own
 research and development but also into such operations by their
 rivals. Yes, their rivals. Firms participate in joint ventures that
 hire teams of researchers to develop technologies that the firms
 will share. They also engage in the largely unrecognized practice
 by which companies enter into technology-sharing compacts. Under
 these compacts, a company like IBM writes contracts with
 competitors, like Hitachi. The companies promise to license future
 innovations to each other for a set fee. That way, if Hitachi comes
 up with a spiffy next-generation disk drive, IBM is guaranteed the
 right to incorporate Hitachi's new drive in its own computers.

 It might seem odd for an economist like Baumol to herald
 collaboration among potential competitors. By jumping into the arms
 of rivals, companies appear to dull their incentive to innovate on
 their own. After all, if they can imitate rivals, why bother to
 innovate on one's own?

 To understand Baumol's point, put yourself in the place of IBM. You
 could try to piggyback off Hitachi's innovations, dismissing your
 own engineers. But that strategy would collapse. At the very least,
 you would be dishing out hundreds of millions of dollars each year
 to rivals without getting anything in return. Worse, Hitachi would
 soon drop the agreements, because they make sense only if it
 expects to get about as many new products from IBM as it provides
 to IBM.

 Nor would it make economic sense to beef up your investment in
 innovations without entering technology-sharing contracts. If four
 or five of your major rivals share innovations among themselves,
 then they will generate lots of ideas, drowning out the efforts of
 your one research department. And anything you don't figure out on
 your own will be offered to consumers by all your rivals. You
 simply cannot afford to bear that risk. The compacts eliminate the
 threat that a misstep in the technology race will drive you out of
 business. Besides, Baumol says, the compacts generate licensing
 fees that have become "a substantial business activity in itself."

 Baumol's analysis makes a bigger point, far beyond the benefits and
 costs to individual companies. Technology-sharing contracts also
 help the economy -- that is to say consumers -- by spreading the
 benefit of innovation far beyond the customers of any one company.
 You don't have to buy Hitachi to get the benefit of its
 breakthroughs.

 Drawing on his career as a consultant as well as scholar, Baumol
 says "that of the 20 or so firms that engage in substantial
 research and development for whom I have consulted over the past
 few years, almost all had technology-sharing agreements of one sort
 or another with other firms in their industries." The managers of
 these companies, he says, often agreed to them reluctantly. But the
 scientists, especially the engineers, often required them as a
 condition of their employment: they simply refused to work for a
 company that would not allow them to communicate with their peers.

 He points to a compact that Perkin-Elmer Corp., which sells
 scientific instruments using precision optics, has had with

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #2

1999-06-06 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990606b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No omnivorous flagellants were disemboweled to produce this bulletin. Oy.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ UFOs in Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control. Chapter 13 of the 1994
Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control: "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential".
"Widespread blackouts, communication disruptions, and other potentially
disastrous conditions have been linked directly to UFO sightings." Support
your local UFOlogist: http://www.comdac.com/~geibdan/news/fire.html

@ Who Takes ETs Seriously? How about every fire and police dept. in America!
http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=484729519.1CONTEXT=928671431.212402182

: Do UFOs start fires? Do the voices in your head tell you to start fires,
to cut crop circles, to mutiliate/humiliate/agitate humans? Are you fiery?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Net strike to bite in Europe. (BBC) Internet users across Europe are being
asked not to go online on Sunday in protest at high telephone charges. Bite
monopoly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_361000/361235.stm

# Malaysia takes on websites. (BBC) Malaysia is studying legal ways of
shutting down Internet websites abroad which are critical of the government.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_362000/362275.stm

# China slaps Internet cafes. SHANGHAI (Reuters) Chinese boomtown Shanghai
has disciplined 278 unregistered Internet cafes in a crackdown on uncontrol-
led forays into cyberspace. Political news limited, access "standardized":
http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0,2294,56247-89863-639407-0,00.html

: If a gov't bites your net.access, how can you bite back? What if it's not
your gov't? Do boycotts work? Will you wage cyberwar? Will you fry links?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# HACKED HACKERS VOW VENGEANCE ON FEDERAL WEB SITES. Hacker groups angry at
FBI investigations into computer intrusions have declared cyber war, vowing
that every Web site with an address ending in ".gov" will be a target. The
FBI's Web site has been inaccessible for most of the past 5 days. Git them
goobers: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/05/feds.v.hackers/index.html

# Netwar: F0rpaxe Claims Credit For Government/Corporate Computer Attacks.
A person or group calling itself "F0rpaxe" is today claiming credit for more
than 75 attacks on government and corporate computer systems in the United
States and abroad. Revenge on FBI: www.emergency.com/1999//fonetwar.htm

# Also: Hackers target more federal computers:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/01/hackers/
# Hackers retaliate by invading FBI, Senate Web sites:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/28/senate.hackers/

: Are you all or part of "F0rpaxe"? Are you good at cyberwar? Do you limit
your attacks to the US gov't or are all nations targets? D'ya want any help?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Casting Doubt on Chinese Spying. (ABC) The recent congressional report
accusing the Chinese of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets has inaccuracies that
raise doubts about the report's credibility. Many blatant factual errors:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/oberg990602.html

# Are We Hard-Wired for War? (ABC) Waging war is nothing new. Our history is
filled with tales of blood-soaked battles. Which raises questions: Is such
behavior simply part of human nature? Is war our favorite entertainment?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/peace_warbiology990602.html

: Do you prefer warring, spying, plotting, fucking, eating, farting, lying?
Is your preference based on biology, doctrine, mind-control rays, implants?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# PM's appeal over GM foods. (BBC) Prime Minister Tony Blair has appealed
for people to "keep an open mind" on GM foods, saying that imposing a ban
on them now would be a mistake. He has also metamorphosed into a shiitake
mushroom. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_362000/362318.stm

# Medicinal hopes for mushrooms. (BBC) UK scientists say research into mush-
rooms could make them a popular medical treatment in future. Better than GM
PMs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_362000/362332.stm

: Do you like gene-modified mushrooms? Can psilocybe be enhanced? Does Tony
Blair eat psychedelic mushrooms? Is he run by CIA rays or ET implants? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs:

@ NASA Continues Ritual Pattern as Discovery Docks with IS(I)S. As we have
shown repeatedly in the past, NASA has had an ongoing obsession with the
celestial representations of the highest Gods and Goddesses of ancient
Egypt, (Isis, Osiris, and Horus). www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm

# Chat Users Get Voicemail. If your chat pal isn't online or answering the
phone, a new service will send a voicemail to his inbox. Although the call
is free, the Fone427 service isn't. Like you wuz expecting a

Re: [CTRL] [SC] SAFE SEX

1999-06-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: gene johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 --Ric Carter wrote:
  From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's,
   problems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious
   and surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between
   different sexes.

   And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --
   ultimately responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority --
   is sex, leading to the victim's conception.

  Lovely funny.  Prudy

  SAFE SEX. But even animals and aliens can carry some nasty pathogens,
  so we're left with: sex with machines.  Teledildonics.  Hermitage.
  Remember: hell is other people.

 Go screw an unchurched Praying Mantis, you deviated postvert Lipitarian.
 But watch your head during opiated afterglow --- it takes eclectic
 ginkgomind to be a village! Numblobes and the Hasty Nymphs

A mantid couldn't accommodate me physically - I'll have to screw an
unchurched Komono Dragon instead.  Equally hazardous, yet much more
appropriately scaled, and with little chance of infection either way.
Still, care must be taken no to have intercourse with a Reptilioid or
Republican, where contamination may be mental as well as physical.
The NATO Balkan bombing campaign has disrupted many Reptoid nests,
leaving the impending occupying forces at grave risk of such scaly
contamination.  If you think the Gulf War Syndrome was bad, wait'll
you see the results of the Kosovar Green Weenie condition!  Scientists
in the UK are currently gene-modifying certain mushrooms to produce
vaccines [see the latest SkeptiNews bulletin, 990606b, for a link to
that story] but it's uncertain whether sufficient quantities can be
exuded in time to meet the expected demand.  War is hell.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: TheEagle-L] Planned All Along ???]

1999-06-06 Thread Dr Byron Weeks

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Date:  Wed, 19 May 1999 22:07:36 -0500
Subject:   [TheEagle-L] Planned All Along ???

America s early warning system, our radar network that told us when enemy bombers
   were 2,000 miles away, was shut down by President Bush. So now we have our eyes
   closed. If that were not enough to be defeated, Clinton made an executive order
   which forbids the military from reacting to a Russian first strike. Our 
generals and
   admirals must wait until the first strike bits, before they can respond. This 
is like
   going into the boxing ring and saying "Give me your best hit". Well, the 
Russians are
   ready to give us their best hit, and it will be a knock out punch. It used to 
be that
   we would launch our missiles when we detected theirs being launched and the
   missiles would cross mid-air and blow up both countries. Now we are to absorb 
their
   first strike. That is why their first strike is targeted to knock out our naval 
bases and
   submarines. They have produced enormous numbers of killer submarines which 
greatly
   outnumber our submarines and these will attack to eliminate any submarines at 
sea.
   Except for our mobile subs, the U.S. no longer has mobile missiles, but only a
   reduced number in fixed locations.

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Re: [CTRL] [Ric] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

1999-06-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
eagle1 wrote:

 I'm not saying I've got it all down.  No,  the Bible is not something
 you sit downs and study overnight and you've got the whole picture.
 It takes a lifetime and then some to really study the languages.

Yes, religious studies are very entertaining - that is, they're great
ways for one to structure and occupy one's time, without accomplishing
anything tangible.  Same as conspiratorialism, UFOlogy, sociopolitical
criticism, musical/artistic discussions, etc.  Fun fun fun.

You are entitled, at least in this country for now, to believe
whatever you want to... as well as I am.
PS - I reverence no one but God.  That title,  in my opinion, is
reserved for Him and Him alone.  No man is worthy to be reverenced.
I'm glad to know,  however, that you put yourself in such high esteem,
among the gods.

How does one count and identify deities?  Does the count equal -1, 0,
1, 3-in-one, more than 1?  Is the count an integer or a fraction?  How
does one verify their count?  If you think there's one and only one,
how can you be *sure* you've got the *right* one?  If someone with a
different god-system kills you, does that make their religion stronger
than yours? If your god[s] can't protect you, why bother with belief?

If amongst various monotheists, some claim their god is kind, others
that theirs is vengeful, others that theirs is indifferent, or that
theirs is indistinguishable from nature, how can you tell which [if
any] are correct? What's your standard of evidence?  Is "The Will Of
God" merely a useful excuse for doing what you want, as long as what
you want coincides with said "Will"? What useful things could you be
making or discovering if you weren't spending time on god[s]? Are ETs
gods?  How are gods distinguishable from demons, aliens, fantasies?

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Re: [CTRL]

1999-06-06 Thread nurev


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Lloyd Miller wrote:

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 From an anonymous Supporting Subscriber to the Project:

  "I think one result of the Serb War will be the return of Royalty that was
 in exile.  (Their Prince is residing in London.)  About a year ago, another
 Prince returned to Albania, coincidental with the arrival of UN troops.

  "Many of these exiled Royals are on record as ready to return to their
 countries, but not as private citizens.  They expect to return to their
 thrones.

  "Caesarism is definitely the Conspiracy!

   D.Y.


It'll be a cold day in Heck when highly educated socialists would
consent to being ruled by an aristocracy.

As for the Albanians...fascists like royalty. They comon goals.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

1999-06-06 Thread nurev


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Dr Byron Weeks wrote:

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 Hello,
 I am trying to find an accurate translation of John's Revelation from the original
 Hebrew. Can you direct me?

 Byron Weeks, MD
 ~~

snip
  The original Hebrew and Greek are very specific and graphic in
  their content.  Instead of reading transliterations,  I suggest
  you translate the manuscripts and codices for yourself, and
  not be led by the nose by any religious faction.
=

I am almost positive that John's Revelation is not in Hebrew.

Unless I'm thinking of another " Revelation," you'll find it in
Greek. The contents and ideas are Mystery Cult and not Jewish.
[ Is this right Goat?]
These are Pagan nightmares. It's quite sick that people incorporate
stuff like this into their psyche and find comfort in it.

Religion causes insanity.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread Steve Wingate


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On 6 Jun 99, at 2:52, William Shannon wrote:

 Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does




Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
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[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: S99-101, Day 74 (June 5, 6:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan







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FROM WASHINGTON, DC

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.  

Issue S99-101, Day 74
-
June 5, 1999; 6:00PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Washington   1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

Washington   2. Drop Clinton, Not Bombs! (A Speech by Bob
Djurdjevic)



1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

WASHINGTON, June 5 - Mark this day - June 5! This is the day a Serb flag
was flying at the Pentagon possibly for the first time in history, mounted
high on top of the soundstage erected on the Pentagon lawn, right next to
the official U.S. Defense Department flag pole.  All around the
red-blue-and-white Serb banner, more than 30,000 anti war demonstrators who
took part in today's "March on the Pentagon," billowed from the top of
their lungs, "Yu-go-sla-via! Yu-go-sla-via!" 

If such an event were to have taken place in some overseas country, people
might have assumed a World Cup soccer match was taking place.  But this was
America.  And the surprisingly small number of the Pentagon security detail
and the Arlington Police, looked on in amusement, snapping pictures of the
crowd on this hot Saturday afternoon.

It was moment to behold. Chinese drummers beat their drums; Serbian
protesters blew their whistles; Korean demonstrators sang their songs;
Greeks wrapped themselves in their blue-and-whites; the Russians, the
Koreans, the Cubans, the Poles waved their flags - nearly all of them
wearing TARGET signs - joined in the chants: "Yu-go-sla-via!
Yu-go-sla-via!" And, "bombs and missiles - we say no, U.S. out of Kosovo!"
"One, two, three four - we don't want your bloody war."

And yes, as you may have gathered by now, this preceding means that the
Arlington Police and the County officials backed down, unable to stop the
30,000+ marchers from closing the Memorial Bridge and the Washington
Boulevard, supposedly also for the first time in history.  So freedom of
speech and right to peaceful assembly is still alive and well today in
America.  

Our thanks to all TiM readers who contributed to it. But as with all
rights, if we ignore them, they will go to a higher bidder.  So we'll have
to keep it up

Meanwhile, large masses of anti-NATO protesters had assembled earlier this
afternoon at the Vietnam Memorial, where the opening speeches were given,
including that by your editor, enclosed below as Item 2 of this report. 

After the speech, the TiM editor also gave interviews to NPR radio, to the
Russian and Chinese news agencies, and to some other local news media. The
American public TV network C-SPAN, reportedly carried a live broadcast of
the proceedings.  Predictably, there were no CNN, NBC ABC or CBS cameras or
satellite trucks in evidence.  But there were several media helicopters
filming the march (stand by for TiM's photos from the protest, which we
will post at our Web site upon returning to Phoenix).

Later this afternoon, CNN Headline News showed some pictures of
demonstrators crossing the Memorial Bridge, with the Lincoln Memorial
visible in the background, saying that only 5,000 people participated in
today's demonstrations.  This contrasts with the estimates of the protest
organizers which ranged from 30,000 to 40,000 people.  

Whatever the actual number of protester, it was without a doubt the largest
anti-war demonstration held in the nation's capital since the days of the
Vietnam war. To those TiM readers who joined us either in person or in
spirit; to all those who stood up and made a stand for truth and justice
today, we say: "Thank you!  Now you can proudly tell your children or
grandchildren that you had not remained silent during the days of the
American Infamy."
---

2. Days of American Infamy II (A Speech by Bob Djurdjevic)

WASHINGTON, June 5 - The following is the prepared text of the speech which
TiM's editor delivered today at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC:

Ladies and gentlemen, fellow-patriots, friends of the truth and liberty,

I come to Washington from the Grand Canyon state of Arizona to join you in
your righteous protest against an American government which has become so
un-American.  This is no longer a government "OF the people, BY the people,
FOR the people."  This is a government OF and FOR a group of "death
merchants," bankers and industrialists, run BY corrupt politicians, like
Bill Clinton.  And it is a government AGAINST the interests of the American
people.  

Is it in our interest to have a $5.6 trillion national debt? 

Is it in our interest to pay for the IMF bailouts of Wall Street bankers in
Mexico, Asia, Russia or Brazil?

Is it in our interest to have American troops stationed in over 100
countries around the world?

Is it in our interest to have to build a

[CTRL] OEN 6/6/99

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
-

Today's Lesson From The Decline of the West

by Oswald Spengler


The outcome of this way of thinking is that the old possession, bound up
with life and the soil, gives way to the fortune, which is essentially
mobile and qualitatively undefined: it does not consist in goods, but it
is laid out in them. Considered by itself, it is a purely numerical
quantum of money-value.

As the seat of this thinking, the city becomes the money-market, the
centre of values, and a stream of money-values begins to infuse,
intellectualize, and command the system of goods. And with this the
trader, from being an organ of economic life, becomes its master.
Thinking in money is always, in one way or another, trade or business
thinking. It presupposes the productive economy of the land, and,
therefore, is always primarily acquisitive, for there is no third
course. The very words "acquisition," "gain," "speculation," point to a
profit tricked off from the goods en route to the customer--an
intellecutal plunder--and for that reason are inapplicable to the early
peasantry. . . .

He who commands this mode of thinking is the master of money. In all the
Cultures evolution takes this road. Lysias informs us in his oration
against the corn-merchants that the speculators at the Piraeus
frequently spread reports of the wreck of a grain-fleet or of the
outbreak of war, in order to produce a panic. In Hellenistic-Roman times
it was a widespread practice to arrange for land to go out of
cultivation, or for imports to be held in bond, in order to force up
prices. In the Egyptian New Empire wheat-corners in the American style
were made possible by a bill-discounting that is fully comparable with
the banking operations of the West. Cleomenes, Alexander the Great's
administrator for Egypt, was able by book transactions to get the whole
corn-supply into his own hands, thereby producing a famine far and wide
in Greece and raking in immense gains for himself.
=

The Religion Business

Bank of Scotland to Pay Pat Robertson £30m

Hey. I called Scotland a bunch of wankers. How much do I get?

THE Bank of Scotland has agreed to pay up to £30 million in compensation
to Pat Robertson, the American evangelist, after being made to abandon a
telephone banking joint venture with him yesterday.
The decision followed a meeting late on Friday night in Boston between
Robertson and Peter Burt, the bank's chief executive. In a statement the
bank said: "Pat Robertson and Peter Burt agreed that the changed
circumstances made the proposed joint venture between Robertson
Financial Services and Bank of Scotland unfeasible."

Robertson Financial Services is thought to have paid £30m for a 25 per
cent stake in the venture - a phone banking company modelled on
Sainsbury's Bank, a joint venture between the supermarket chain and Bank
of Scotland which has 800,000 customers. Burt will be under pressure
from shareholders this week to explain why the conservative Bank of
Scotland entered into an alliance with Robertson, a right-wing
television evangelist known for his outspoken views and fervent
opposition to homosexuality.

The bank has been under intense pressure in the past week to cut its
links with Robertson after it emerged that he had made an outspoken
attack on Scotland on his popular 700 Club television show. West Lothian
Council threatened last week to close its £250m account with the bank.
It was joined by a series of charities including Action Aid.

Since the telephone bank was announced in March between 400 and 500
people have closed their accounts. Affinity credit card deals with the
Trades Union Congress and a series of charities are also under threat.
This week, the bank will start seraching for a new partner to save its
£30m expansion into America.

The London Telegraph, June 6, 1999


Russian Follies

White Nights Red with Killings in St. Petersburg

If only Russia had gun control. That would solve the problem. Sure.

CONTRACT killings along one of St Petersburg's most elegant canals has
earned it the nickname "the shooting range".
The bodycount on the Griboyedov Canal, which winds through the city
centre, reads like a local Who's Who. All the attacks have been on top
figures, one of them a leading politician whose murder caused
international outrage.

Since last autumn there have been four assassination attempts on people
who live or work on the canal, three of them fatal, one seriously
wounding the target. Even the presence of a base housing St Petersburg's
Omon police, an elite paramilitary unit used against dangerous criminals
and threats to public order, has failed to stop the slaughter. None of
the murders has been solved and, judging by the performance of Russia's
law enforcement bodies, it seems unlikely that justice will be done.

In the most

[CTRL] Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

BY DANIEL VERTON ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Congress has squared off with the National Security Agency over a
top-secret U.S. global electronic surveillance program, requesting top
intelligence officials to report on the legal standards used to prevent
privacy abuses against U.S. citizens.

According to an amendment to the fiscal 2000 Intelligence Authorization
Act proposed last month by Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), the director of
Central Intelligence, the director of NSA and the attorney general must
submit a report within 60 days of the bill becoming law that outlines
the legal standards being employed to safeguard the privacy of American
citizens against Project Echelon.

Echelon is NSA's Cold War-vintage global spying system, which consists
of a worldwide network of clandestine listening posts capable of
intercepting electronic communications such as e-mail, telephone
conversations, faxes, satellite transmissions, microwave links and
fiber-optic communications traffic. However, the European Union last
year raised concerns that the system may be regularly violating the
privacy of law-abiding citizens [FCW, Nov. 17, 1998].

However, NSA, the supersecret spy agency known best for its worldwide
eavesdropping capabilities, for the first time in the history of the
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence refused to hand over
documents on the Echelon program, claiming attorney/client privilege.

Congress is "concerned about the privacy rights of American citizens and
whether or not there are constitutional safeguards being circumvented by
the manner in which the intelligence agencies are intercepting and/or
receiving international communications...from foreign nations that would
otherwise be prohibited by...the limitations on the collection of
domestic intelligence," Barr said. "This very straightforward
amendment...will help guarantee the privacy rights of American citizens
[and] will protect the oversight responsibilities of the Congress which
are now under assault" by the intelligence community.

Calling NSA's argument of attorney/client privilege "unpersuasive and
dubious," committee chairman Rep. Peter J. Goss (R-Fla.) said the
ability of the intelligence community to deny access to documents on
intelligence programs could "seriously hobble the legislative oversight
process" provided for by the Constitution and would "result in the
envelopment of the executive branch in a cloak of secrecy."



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[CTRL] CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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Critics Charge Researchers Attempting to Legitimize Pedophilia
June 4, 1999

By Robert Anthony Phillips

NEW YORK (APBNews.com) -- A national furor has erupted over a study
published in a medical journal that claims that adult sex with children
is not always psychologically damaging to the child and in some cases it
was a "positive" experience for willing youngsters.
The study, done by two psychologists and a graduate student, was
published in the July 1998 issue of the American Psychological
Association Bulletin and initially attracted little attention. The
authors said the study was meant to test widely held assumptions that
all instances of child-adult sex were harmful to children.

However, when a Philadelphia radio talk show host found out about the
study through a caller and interviewed one of its authors on the air in
March, a firestorm erupted.

Then, national radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger heard about
the study and turned up the heat, beginning a crusade against it over
the airwaves and in her syndicated newspaper column. She described the
study as an "attempt to normalize pedophilia."

Conservatives, congressmen enraged  conservative lobbying groups, politicians
and
some psychologists have gone on the warpath, sharply criticizing the
study as advocating pedophilia, challenging its findings and wondering
whether it will be used by criminal defense attorneys to get child
molesters off the hook in court.

A group of congressmen want the report "condemned" by both Congress and
President Bill Clinton. The Alaska Legislature has passed a resolution
urging the president and Congress to reject the conclusions of the
study. Similar resolutions have also been introduced in California and
Illinois.

Concerned Women of America (CWA), the nation's largest women's public
policy group, called the study an "outright endorsement of pedophilia"
and says it is a "slap in the face to concerned citizens everywhere."


Related Documents:

American Psychological Association statement

Authors' response to criticism

North American Man/Boy Love Association statement

Related Forum:

Can adult sex with children EVER be right?
"According to the 'experts,' child sexual abuse is now considered O.K.,"
began a story in the CWA's monthly magazine.

And the conservative Family Research Council says that it is worried
that lawyers will now start using the report in courts to try to help
pedophiles evade criminal charges.

"It seems outrageous that we are even having to deal with this issue,"
said Kristin Hansen, spokeswoman for the group.

'Good news' for 'boy-lovers'

Adding fuel to the raging debate was a statement released by the North
American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which wants criminal laws
changed to allow children and adults to have consensual sexual
relationships.

In the statement, NAMBLA described the findings as "good news," adding
that it was proof that the current "war on boy-lovers" has no basis in
"science" and that most male child sex experiences with an adult were
"positive."

NAMBLA did not return a telephone call for further comment.

Alaska Rep. Fred Dyson "I predicted months ago that pedophile
enthusiasts would start using this study," said Alaska state Rep. Fred
Dyson, a Republican who sponsored a bill in the state that condemned the
conclusions and methodology of the study.

Jody Gorran, the founder of the National Foundation to Prevent Child
Sexual Abuse, blasted the APA for publishing the study, which he called
flawed.

"It's like a lobbying organization for pedophiles," Gorran told
APBNews.com.

Meanwhile, the publicity surrounding the study prompted the APA to
release a statement saying that it has always believed that "sexual
abuse of children is wrong and harmful to its victims" and the
publication of the study in the bulletin does not mean the organization
endorses its findings.

Authors: Media misreporting facts

However, not everyone agrees that the controversial study is a
scientific manifesto in favor of pedophilia.

The authors, the APA and one statewide group, the Indiana Psychological
Association, charge that the media and other groups are making false and
sensationalized claims that the study condones child sex abuse.

The authors released a statement through the APA saying that their study
was an attempt to show that, for scientific research purposes only,
distinctions should be made among categories of child sex abuse in order
to predict future effects on the child.

80,000 cases a year

The study concludes that it is wrong for researchers to assume that all
cases of child sex abuse harm children and adolescents. However, the
authors, both in their APA statement and in the study, said that legal

[CTRL] Freedom, Choice, and Consequences

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
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Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Freedom, Choice, and Consequences

by Robert L. Kocher


Among the long-term consequences of the borderline-psychotic social
revolution of the sixties and seventies are many common misconceptions
of the nature of freedom, of what constitutes choice, and what freedom
does not confer.

Few people today understand what freedom or is, or could define freedom.
They believe freedom allows them unlimited right to do what they want to
do. However, that is not a definition of freedom, but of unlimited
egocentricism, of license, or of unlimited freedom of action. Far from
being the basis of a free society, it's a recipe for tyranny.

The ideal condition of freedom of action would be to have the freedom
from responsibility of a child, while having the autonomy and power of
an adultalong with infinite financial resources. Until recently, kings,
queens and princes lived under that condition. The king could do as he
wanted, supported by enforced confiscation of the complete economic
resources of the kingdom when it suited him. It was neither good for the
royalty or the people. The royalty inevitably degenerated while the
people were drained and suffered. The economies of nations were enslaved
and destroyed for the building of pyramids, palaces and other royal
self-indulgences. Entire continents were at war in the service of
various royal temper tantrums. Overthrow of the existing order of mona
rchy was periodically necessary. This made up much of the content of
human history for the last four thousand years.

Members of royalty did not mature because it wasn't necessary for them
to do so. They didn't need to negotiate with their subjects because
their subjects interests were subordinate to those of the king or the
prince. They didn't need to consider reality because they were insulated
from reality. The process of giving up childhood egocentricism and of
balancing personal impulses against the rights of others is
intrinsically unpleasant. Kings and queens are not required to undergo
unpleasantness. This discomfort, as it is with all discomfort, will be
avoided if possible. In this case the discomfort is necessary to achieve
adult maturity. If you are the king or queen, you can make it a rule
that other people adapt to your wantonness and undergo the discomfort
instead of you.

It may not be a very happy relationship for your subjects, but, as king
or queen, you can decree the additional rule that your subjects are
required to like it. Besides, there is no place for your subjects to go.
If they go down the road to the next kingdom, there's no assurance that
the next king will be an improvement.

While it works for kings and queens, in ordinary day-to-day life this
doesn't work. As a practical matter only one member of any community can
have unconditional freedom of action while the other members inherently
become relegated to the oppressive role of forced adaptation to those
actions while having no rights. Thus, it can be seen that unlimited
personal action is not freedom or a free society. Absolute personal
freedom of action for any one person inherently means personal
subjugation of everyone else.

Mutual Agreement

Freedom means social and economic interactions occur on the basis of
mutual agreement between participating parties. This implies strong
restrictions upon behavior. In a free society you cannot willingly
subject other people to actions to which they reasonably disagree.
Actions which subject eventual intrusional consequences upon other
members of society or otherwise intrude upon their lives or damage them
are not acts of freedom, but acts of imposition or acts of enslavement.

To particularize with an example. there is no such thing as freedom to
rape someone. Rape is a crime against freedom. It violates the critical
principle of mutual agreement. It is the purposeful subjecting of
someone to an act to which he or she seriously and reasonably disagrees.
That constitutes a violation of freedom.

One of the first principles of a free society is that members of that
society have a responsibility to conduct their lives in such a way as
not to impose upon other community members. In addition to being a basic
political principle, this was once taught as part of having basic
respect for other members of the community. Many of what have become
mislabeled as contemporary social problems are in truth social
impositions people have imposed upon other members of society by
demanding license for themselves.

The indiscriminate having of children while charging the other members
of the community with the responsibility of maintaining those children
is not an act of freedom. It is a act of

[CTRL] Well-Wishers Bid Families Adieu

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
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June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Well-Wishers Bid Families Adieu

by Peter Topolewski


Chalk up another victory for the decency soldiers of the feel-good 90s.
This one goes to the politically appointed social engineers in Canadas
Supreme Court. With the familiar refrain "get with it, this is the 90s",
they delivered a decision to strike down the heterosexual definition of
"spouse", demonstrating that they lack foresight as much as the other
politically correct cronies who have, this decade, deconstructed meaning
in the name of "civility".

The case came to the Supreme Court of Canada when a Toronto lesbian
discovered she could not seek alimony from her ex-lover and business
partner because Ontario laws defined spouse as someone of the opposite
sex. The woman sued to have the definition struck down and two lower
courts agreed with her. The Ontario government appealed the decision all
the way to the top and lost. In its decision the court gave Ontario six
months to amend its laws, noting that dozens of them use the
heterosexual definition. The federal government and all the provincial
governments will have to fall in line or face future lawsuits.

Outside of the immense paperwork required, the legal ramifications are
far reaching. In addition to granting a gay persons right to alimony,
the court decision affects the tax code, spousal benefits, health care
coverage, and such things as disclosure rules for elected officials and
political appointees. This means that with the benefits due them gay
couples will also take on the accompanying legal responsibilities and
headaches that heterosexuals know all too well  headaches and
responsibilities that many gays would happily and ironically leave to
heterosexuals.

The Meaning of Spouse

The woman who originally brought the case to court, and who long ago
settled out of court, was essentially in a contractual relationship born
of the time she spent with her girlfriend and the division of the spoils
from their business venture. Not surprisingly, at its core the Supreme
Courts ruling outlines the legal contractual obligations required by
and of homosexuals in a relationship. But to grant these obligations by
questioning the definition of the word spouse and declaring that its
exclusively heterosexual application is unconstitutional is not only
pointless, but also unjustified. And the reason is simple  the
heterosexual definition of the word "spouse" cannot be unconstitutional
because that is what spouse means. And the alimony payments and the
legal obligations applying to spouses do not apply to homosexuals
because they are not, by definition, spouses. The Ontario laws do not
apply to homosexuals and therefore cannot be unconstitutional. If there
is an absence of law to cover the obligations and benefits due
homosexual couples, fine, but no matter what the Supreme Court says,
"spouse" concerns only husbands and wives.

The winners in this wondrous display of doublespeak are, as usual, the
lawyers. For they, most of all, will be busy in the courtrooms arguing
on behalf of a sibling, friend, and or half-relative roommate who is
common law and owed alimony among other things. Everyone, the courts
will convince us soon enough, in any kind of relationship has the right
to be a spouse. Or so the relativist vigilantes would have the rest of
us believe.

The problem is that with the ends in sight we have lost all sight of the
means. In fighting to inscribe in law the equal treatment of all people,
those fighting the equal rights battles have allowed equality to become
sameness. This is a travesty, for they are not interchangeable and
making them so is not desirable or the purpose of equal rights.
Providing a gay couple the legal protections and responsibilities they
deserved  "no more, no less" says John Fisher of EGALE, a Canadian gay
rights group  is not the same as saying a gay couple is a heterosexual
couple.

In the terms in which the ruling has been couched, such a prospect is
not desirable to either gays or heterosexuals. But the true goals go
beyond the strict arguments of the Supreme Court ruling. Ian Brodie, a
political science professor at the University of Western Ontario, states
that the ruling "stops short of saying same-sex couples can get married,
but thats almost a secondary issue now." The problem of course is that
marriage is, by definition and by tradition, a union of a woman and a
man. If such a legal union for gays were all that were sought by equal
rights warriors, it should be, with all our human ingenuity, possible to
invent one in law with no cost to the heterosexual tradition. But gay
marriage is sought for, among other reasons, to make "family"

[CTRL] Microsoft Madness

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23
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June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Microsoft Madness

by Don Lobo Tiggre


One of the most bizarre aspects of the just-resumed U.S. government
persecution of Microsoft is the number of libertarians, anarchists,
objectivists, and other ostensibly pro-freedom individuals who are
cheering the state on. These people allege that Microsoft has done
Terrible Things, and maybe it has, but its still very strange that they
should so strongly favor the states use of a power it shouldnt have:
the economic interference we call "anti-trust".

First off, let me say that I am not particularly a fan of Microsoft. It
seems hypocritical, to say the very least, that Microsoft (MS) should
use the bludgeon of the state against software companies that allegedly
"reverse engineer" MS products, when MS Windows itself is nothing but a
second-rate "reverse engineering" of the MacIntosh operating system
(OS). Ah, if only Apple had licensed the Mac OS, how different the world
would be! J And have you ever tried to get any so-called "support" from
Microsoft? Hah! What a joke!

Also, the practice of requiring hardware manufacturers that want to use
MS products to sign contracts guaranteeing that they will only use MS
products seems short sighted. Its an aggressive move with the likely
outcome of long-term costs in enmity outweighing short-term gains in
cash flow.

However, as aggressive as that move has been, it is one that hardware
manufacturers have accepted voluntarily, in order to be able to sell
more productsthey know what the consumers choice is most likely to be.
As Microsoft attorney John Warden put it during opening statements in
the trial, on October 20, 1998:

"Microsoft hasn't denied consumer choice, it is consumer choice..."

And thats really the bottom line, isnt it? People choose to use MS
products. No one forces them. Even the states own star economic witness
admitted on January 12, 1999, the final day of the governments case,
that Microsoft has done nothing so far that would harm consumers. This
is why I have used the word "persecution" instead of "prosecution"this
isnt about protecting the people (the general purpose alleged to
justify the state) and never has been. It may be about protecting
Microsofts rivals at public expensehas anyone checked the campaign
contributions made by those rivals?but is more likely a simple matter
of the state reacting with hostility to any large and powerful
organization it doesnt control. In this context, the states
persecution of Microsoft is unethical, unconstitutional, and
counterproductive. Perhaps the state has other reasons for its
actionscould it be they the statists know that MS has the power to
seriously disrupt their systems, should it ever occur to them to do so?

Whatever the answer to that may be, my take on the whole situation might
be quite different if the states case were based on the allegations of
out-right fraud and other forms of sublimated violence that
anti-Microsoft people accuse the company of. If MS really has done those
Terrible Things, then the victims should step forward and press charges
for their legitimate grievances.

Using Government to Bludgeon Competitors

But thats not what we see. Instead of victims of real harm, we see a
loser in the marketplace resorting to the coercive mechanisms of the
state to try to benefit his company. In the free market, you dont
always win and you cant force your opponents to give you market share,
but people like Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale dont seem to get it.
Consider this enlightening comment by Barksdale recorded by Wired
 magazines Joe Nickell:

"As long as there are competing products on the shelf for soup, if I can
access either and buy either without... any of the stuff in the soup
that I may not want because they have included it without asking me, I
would think that would be an open market."

Never mind the confused nature of this statementpeople get nervous on
the witness stand and dont always make the most senseit would still be
nonsense if it was clearer. Nobody but Campbells tells Campbells what
to put in their cans of soup, and there are competing cans of software
"soup" on the shelves; its just that most people pick MS "soup" of
their own free will. In fact, before MS started giving their Internet
Explorer away for free, Barksdale was arguably in a more monopolistic
position than Bill Gates, since Netscape was used by pretty much
everybody (and was also given away for free).

But Netscape didnt get the lions share of the browser market by any
dastardly means; they just produced a product that worked like nothing
else out there and gave it away. Microsoft may have done some dastardly

[CTRL] Systems Thinking Government Failure

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City
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June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Systems Thinking  Government Failure

by James Wright


I took a training class a few years back, to learn SPC/SQC; this is
Statistical Process Control / Statistical Quality Control. All the
math-phobic reading this can relax; Im not going to try to condense
three days of instruction into an essay. But I learned quite a few
useful things from this class, which may help you to improve your
understanding of why U.S. government actions, works and departments so
often fail to reach their objectives.

The instructor started by defining a system as a process which takes
inputs and transforms them into outputs. Simple enough, yet powerful
when widely applied. He drew three columns on the board and started
filling them in.

Inputs   Process  Outputs
Adult coyotes,  Reproduction   Baby coyotes
rabbits, water,
other carrion, time

Money, materials,General MotorsGM automobiles
work, time

Matter, energy, time   Reality   Universe


That last one is probably a bit too simplistic, but it gets the idea
across: any process can be analyzed in terms of what it uses, how it
transforms it, and what results. Anyone doing this can choose the level
of detail you want in inputs and outputs, few or many.

Another idea I want to bring in from this course was also from the first
day of instruction:

Every system is perfectly designed, carefully maintained and precisely
operated to give you exactly what you get.

This applies to all systems, not just the heavily-automated industrial
machinery processes we were concerned with at the time. It applies to
the coyote system, to GM, the universe and all the various systems we
call America. The rest of the world will have to analyze their own
systems; Im not familiar enough with them to comment.

I am writing this to spread this virulent set of memes across the land
as efficiently as possible, because I see some of the same things that
Robert L. Kocher does, albeit from an engineering point of view. Many,
many people across this land cannot understand that all the governmental
"systems" that are failing us on a daily basis are doing so because they
have to. They are designed faultily, maintained faultily or operated
faultily, and failings are what they produce. The examples are numerous,
but here are a few to get you started.

Inputs  Process
Outputs
Children, tax money,Government schools Dull and
apathetic adults
 time, teachers,
  unwilling to think critically
facilities, administrators,
"theories" regulations,...

People, tax money,  Government tax system (IRS) Coerced adults
deprived of
time, papers, laws,
   what theyve produced in order
facilities,...
   to fund government "programs"

People, tax money,Prisons
   Alienated, hardened and
time, facilities, laws, ...
determined criminals who

   cannot fit into society well


People, money,  American society
Indeterminate; largely a
time, facilities,
 mixture of mature adults,
laws, customs,...
"tall children", criminals,

deviant-behavior types,

   saints, sinners, 






If you do not appreciate what the system you observe is giving you, then
you need to change something. One definition of insanity is doing the
same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. By that
definition, anyone who wants to "mend them, not end them" must
demonstrate that mending them will produce better results. Government
tried to "mend" the welfare system for forty years before finally moving
towards "ending" it, by giving those on welfare a few years to find a
job before benefits were to terminate. Someone finally got the message
that the welfare "system" was fundamentally flawed in design (and
operation), and could not be "mended" under the existing design limits.
It may finally be time to "end" the government schools systems, the
government tax systems, the prison systems, or others similar systems.

Some more insights from systems theory and operation are available.

Imagine a thermostat: the box on the wall you tweak when the house is
too hot or cold. Imagine you have one of the old kind, a
single-controller unit that controls both the furnace and air
conditioner. Imagine setting the controller to try to cool the house to
74 degrees at the same time it is set to heat it to 75 degrees. What
happens?

The air

[CTRL] [12a] Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler - repost

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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an excerpt from:
Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh,(C) 1994
PENGUIN BOOKS
Published by the Penguin Group
Penguin Books Ltd. 27 Wrights Lane London W8 3TZ, England
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11

Myth and Might

For most English-speaking readers today, and especially for those who fought
it, the Second World War was probably as close as one can imagine to a just
war. It had a clearly discernible and defined justification and sanction.
Moral issues were starkly delineated. There was no question of who was right,
who wrong. Distance in time has, of course, rendered certain Allied actions
and policies - the bombing of Dresden, for example - difficult, if not
impossible, to condone; but except for the occasional warped would-be
historian, no one has attempted to excuse or 'rehabilitate' Nazi Germany.

If the Second World War was indeed a just conflict, it was so because it
constituted a moral contest, a crusade against madness and recognisable
'evil'. General Eisenhower could title his account Crusade in Europe without
seeming guilty of pretentiousness, portentousness or rhetorical hyperbole. To
the extent that Nazi Germany could be seen as embodying and incarnating the
potential madness and 'evil' of all mankind, that madness and 'evil' became
endowed with form; and once something is endowed with form, it can be opposed.
One knows what one is fighting against, and this clarifies and crystallises
what one is fighting for. If one knows what one is fighting for, the fight is
meaningful and justifiable.

By incarnating madness and 'evil' within itself, the Nazi regime,
paradoxically, 'redeemed' the rest of the Western world into sanity and
virtue. This, with typical Olympian irony, Thomas Mann demonstrates in Doctor
Faustus; and other writers, from George Steiner in England to Jorge Luis
Borges and Carlos Fuentes in Latin America, have since picked up the theme. It
took Nazi Germany to teach us the meaning of atrocity and outrage. It took
Auschwitz and Treblinka to remind us of what we as human beings are capable of
perpetrating, despite our veneer of civilisation, and to make us wish to
disown such propensities. Nazi Germany rendered us, albeit only temporarily
perhaps, a degree or two more moral, more decent - a degree or two more
sensitive to such things as, for example, 'ethnic cleansing' in what used to
be Yugoslavia. To that extent, and however uncomfortably the recognition may
sit with us, we are in Nazi Germany's debt.

If the Second World War made sense and rested on some moral basis, the First
World War did not. On the contrary, the First World War was the most
terrifyingly insane conflict in the whole of modem European history, not
excepting the Thirty Years War of 1618-48. It was insane in its causes (or
lack thereof), its motivation (or lack thereof), and the policies (or lack
thereof) that precipitated it. It was pre-eminently insane in its conduct. On
the opening day of the Battle of the Somme on I July 1916, more than a hundred
thousand British and French soldiers, forming three lines fifteen miles long,
clambered out of their trenches. Each bearing sixty pounds of equipment on his
back, they then proceeded not to charge, not to duck or dodge, but to march,
as if on parade, into the face of machine guns firing more than a hundred
rounds per minute. By the end of the first day - the single most costly day in
the history of the British Army - 57,470 had fallen. By the end of the battle,
the toll on all sides amounted to a million and a half. The territory gained
at this price came to an average, along the front, of five miles - five miles
of mud, of shell craters, rubble and devastated fields.

This was insanity, and the insanity was repeated at Verdun, at Ypres and
Passchendaele, at Gallipoli, on the Russian and Italian fronts. Never had
mankind engaged in such wholesale and mindless slaughter to so little purpose,
with so little to show for it. And while this orgy of carnage enacted itself,
arms merchants and munitions manufacturers in Britain, France and Germany were
negotiating business deals and trade agreements with each other, keeping the
blood flowing because it was profitable to do so.

There have been numerous evocations of the First World War's madness. Some of
the best, and most penetrating, can be found in Hermann Broch's novel The
Sleepwalkers, first published in 1931.


The unreal is the illogical. And this age seems to have a capacity for
surpassing even the acme of illogicality . . . it is as if the monstrous
reality of the war had blotted out the reality of the world. Fantasy has
become logical reality . . . An age that is softer and more cowardly than any
preceding age suffocates in waves of blood and poison-gas; nations of bank
clerks and profiteers hurl themselves upon barbed wire . . . Amid a blurring
of all forms, in a twilight of apathetic uncertainty brooding over a ghostly
world, man like a lost child

Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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Well Amelia, I for one dislike implants preferring the natural. Pam Anderson
looked like she had a floatation device on her chest.


Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 6/6/99 3:49:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 due to the nature
 of the exploitive adult film industry its quite possible she may of been mind
 controlled 

I'd have to seriously doubt this Steve. Maybe back in the days of film there
was some Linda Lovelace type mind control going on, but nowadays the industry
is so closely monitored, so open, I doubt that these horror stories continue..

NO one tortures a U.S. citizen and
gets away with it.

Will you start your crusade with Ken Starr?? What he did to Susan MacDougal
is tantamount to torture, no??

Bill

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[CTRL] Flesh and chips

1999-06-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)


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Flesh and chips May 14, 1999
Mail and Guardian
Cyborgs have feelings too. When California neurosurgeon Gary Heit activated
one of the implants he had just put into a human brain, the man burst into
tears. Heit's patient at Stanford university neurosurgery clinic was crying
because, for the first time in 15 years, he was able to button up his own
shirt.
A debilitating tremor, similar to that caused by Parkinson's disease, meant
this 79-year-old man had been unable to feed or clothe himself. Silicon
technology and biological material - hard wiring and soft flesh - can now be
combined, but so far, the results have remained unmistakably human.
Actor Christopher Reeve, paralysed from the neck down in a riding accident
in 1995, could be enabled to walk again with technology already available,
Heit says. "If somebody gave me sufficient funds to pull a research group
together I could get Christopher Reeve to walk in two years. I could
probably make him stumble right now."
Heit says it is simply lack of money that holds the field back from giving
greater benefit to those debilitated by lack of brain function. A brain
implant for an injured human being can cost more than $20 000, which he
believes is a trivial sum compared with the way it revolutionises patients'
lives.
Cases like Reeve's would require an array of implanted high-speed
microprocessors to analyse brain activity and translate those impulses into
electrical commands. Those commands could be passed to a set of electrodes
attached to the nerves that would stimulate muscles to perform a walking
action.
A few kilometres from the Stanford campus, a biotech spin-off company is
about to begin commercialising another development in the silicon-biology
interface, invented by researchers at the University of Bangor.
Aura Diagnostics of Mountain View, California will develop a
laboratory-on-a- chip capable of isolating cancer cells in tiny blood
samples. The process, which uses electrical signals to manipulate biological
molecules, should enable early detection of cancers. It could also provide
simple, quick and accurate tests for meningitis, and a means for
regenerating damaged tissues and organs.
It is one of many similar innovations now moving from research prototype
into commercialisation: the Institute for Cancer Research unveiled its own
"cancer chip" last month.
The Bangor researchers were unable to find British backing. As was always
the case with the computer chip industry, commercial exploitation of the
silicon-biotechnology interface is still largely confined to American soil.
Dawn may reach the United States a few hours later, but the future always
seems to arrive there first.
Seeing the lucrative potential of this particular future, US firms that made
fortunes through information technology are now looking to apply their
expertise to biology.
Motorola has just begun work on a project with the US Department of Energy's
Argonne national laboratory and Packard Instruments, a Connecticut-based
pharmaceutical instrument company. The aim is a mass production technique
for "biochips" - thumb-size wafers that carry out information processing on
the chemicals of life.
Unravelling the human genetic code will provide ways of diagnosing and
treating genetic diseases and cancers, as well as giving us an instruction
manual for the assembly of the human body. But this is a complex business,
and painfully slow when done by standard laboratory means.
By combining biochips with robots and computers the Argonne researchers
claim they will be able to find one genetic variation among three billion
DNA data bits in a matter of minutes. Conventional methods take days.
Like the microchip, the biochip will be mass-produced by photolithography
techniques, a big operational change for conventional biotech companies.
`From our point of view, these biochips are a huge dimension shift," says
Rolan Papen, business development manager for Packard Instruments. "You have
to start thinking of clean rooms and miniaturised components. The companies
that have a lot of experience with this are people like Motorola."
Making a biochip involves laying down a forest of DNA material onto a glass
substrate. There can be as many as 400 000 DNA strands on a chip, and each
one is designed to trap - and thus detect - a certain type of DNA sequence.
The four chemical blocks that make up DNA - generally referred to as the
bases A, T, C and G - only bind together in certain ways, as with Ts and Cs
with Gs.
The DNA strands attached to the biochips contain carefully designed
sequences of these bases attached to the glass substrate. The DNA to be
tested is broken up into fragments which are tagged with a fluorescent
chemical and then washed over the chip. The way these fragments bond with
the DNA on the biochip, shown up as the chip is scanned with a laser pulse,
allows researchers to infer their genetic makeup.
The ultra-fast processing power of the DNA chips is set to change

[CTRL] SA-social conditions

1999-06-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)


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Most of SADC's population scratch a June 04, 1999
© Weekly Mail  Guardian
living from the soil
Ian Clayton
Out of a population of 180-million in the Southern Africa Development
Community (SADC), only one in 10 has a job in the formal sector and only
about 20% of the economically active population have jobs, a Norwegian
researcher, Liv Torres, has established.
This gives an unemployment rate of nearly 80% in the SADC countries,
excluding Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Seychelles - and
would be even higher if those countries were included.
Torres also found that only about 40% of those in formal sector employment
are organised. Those without formal sector jobs are "unemployed or struggle
to find means of survival in the informal sector of subsistence farming.
"To have a job or not has become a `to be or not to be', in countries with
few, or no, safety nets," she says. "At the same time, a large portion of
those within the formal sector labour market earn less than poverty wages.
Child labour, HIV, labour migration, low skills levels, tenant labour
systems and poverty within the labour market pose further political and
economic challenges for the SADC countries and for regional integration."
Torres reaches these conclusions in a study called Labour Markets in
Southern Africa, which has been published by the Oslo-based Fafo Institute
for Applied Social Science.
She says the poverty development trend in Southern Africa has to be reversed
and economic growth is without doubt the most powerful weapon in the fight
for higher living standards.
"Yet, as important for poverty eradication as well as economic development,
although often underestimated, is the distribution of income and wealth.
"The benefits of growth for the poor may be eroded if the distribution of
income worsens, which might also undermine the incentives for
growth-inducing economic reforms."
Southern Africa is challenged by a lack of growth in the formal sector, huge
wealth disparities and labour market segmentation reinforcing the social
cleavages in society at large. Large majorities are employed in subsistence
farming in the rural areas and in informal activities in the urban areas.
However, she warns that the level of existing statistics and updated
information about Southern Africa is very poor and this has to be improved
to be able to make informed policy decisions.
"Southern Africa needs to exit from the circle of low-paid labour,
unemployment/informal/subsistence sector survival strategies and low
education and skills levels.
"Lack of education and low skills levels are hereditary; illiterates are
thrown into survival strategies, which neither build further skills levels
for themselves nor for their children.
"In order to exit from these bad circles, regional strategies are needed,
but future regional strategies that are based on informed knowledge about
the characteristics, sector and occupational composition, skills levels, and
migration patterns of the current labour markets. A regional information and
resource centre is long overdue."
Torres says the economic problems of Southern Africa can to some extent be
attributed to the fact that the countries in the region have been locked
into roles as exporters of either raw materials or crops.
These countries have inherited from colonial times a low-skilled workforce
and extremely divided labour markets in which highly paid skills and
resources have to be imported from outside. Several of these countries have
also inherited, developed or got stuck in "enclave economics", in which they
remain fully dependent upon the production and export of raw materials
and/or raw crops.
Southern Africa became increasingly marginalised in the world economy
through the 1970s and 1980s, and the economies of the region became
progressively under greater control of and dependent upon the World Bank and
the International Monetary Fund and their structural adjustment programmes.
By the mid-1990s, the region's debt was estimated at between $150-billion
and $180-billion - between R9 000-billion and R12 000-billion.
The overall growth rate for the African continent stood at 3,7% in 1995, up
from 1,9% in 1994, and during the 1990s, three Southern African countries
have exceeded 8%, namely Lesotho, Mauritius and Uganda.
However, poverty rates in sub-Saharan Africa are increasing. Greater poverty
as well as Aids and unrest have also contributed to the worsening of human
development indicators. Already 44% of Mozambicans, 38% of Malawians and 39%
of Angolans do not expect to see the age of 40.
In the SADC countries, excluding Angola, Congo and the Seychelles, the
economically active population stands at 50 7272 610 but only 11 104 405
have formal employment.
Agriculture is clearly the most important sector of employment as well as
the most important contributor to the gross domestic product, with 70% to
75% of employment in Southern Africa being in agriculture.
Torres also says

[CTRL] [8] Ritual Abuse

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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an excerpt from:
Ritual Abuse
Margaret Smith©1993
HarperCollins Publishers
10 East 53rd Street
New York, NY 10022
ISBN 0-06-250214-X
213pps  out-of-print
--[8]--

Chapter 8

Survivor Revictimization and Proposed Solutions

One of the most important aspects of talking about survivor revictimization
is identifying the victimizers. Are they the cult members or part of the
noncult public? If revictimizers are cult members, then they victimize
survivors either because they are acting on orders, or because they can't
handle their own entrapment in the cult. The noncult public revictimizes
survivors because they don't believe survivors. They don't want to hear about
ritual abuse because it scares them. They want to believe they live in a safe
world. They want to send their children to school and church worry-free. They
don't want to know about the corruption. They don't want to believe cults
have power because they would have to change their entire understanding of
the world.

When I first remembered the abuse, I told everyone about my memories. It
never occurred to me that I wouldn't be believed. It never occurred to me
that people wouldn't have compassion for me. Many of my friends said they
believed something bad had happened to me, but they didn't believe the ritual
abuse memories. A few of my friends believed the ritual abuse memories, but
they couldn't believe the prevalence of the problem. It is devastating to
have the memories questioned. Let's put it this way: When I am feeling the
pain of the abuse and someone has the nerve to doubt my memories, it feels
like I am lying there, with bruises up and down my thighs, welts on my rectum
and vagina, while the onlookers determine whether I have a tight to my pain.

 Just as devastating as the nonbelievers were the people who believed me,
but who decided I was somehow responsible for what happened. I was judged and
blamed for things I couldn't control. One friend told me she didn't think I
felt guilty enough. She wanted me to scream and cry in remorse for the
violence I was forced to commit. What she didn't realize is that I felt so
guilty when it happened that I stopped feeling at all. I don't accept blame
for what happened to me. I remember how bad it was, and that the society that
is judging me today is the same society that turned its back on me when I was
a child.

Then there were the people who believed me, but who wanted to control my
recovery They wanted to tell me where my wounds were. They wanted to tell me
how to heal. Like the cult, they told me who to love and who to hate. Not
being believed is painful enough. Being blamed for what happened felt as
cruel as cult behavior Trying to tell me how to live my life, and how to
understand the ritual abuse, is every bit as violating as being blamed and
not believed.

  Society needs to accept that sometimes people do hurt other people on
purpose. They need to stop pretending they live in a safe world at the
expense of those who are victimized. They need to feel their own pain so that
they can have compassion for those of us who have the courage to face our
pasts. And if they can't handle it, they need to understand that it is their
problem, not ours.


It seems clear from the newspaper reports I have seen linking child molesting
with "Satanic Rituals," that the phenomenology of the Salem witch trials is
being created all over again; that is, innocent adults are being accused by
hysterical children.
Catholic theologian Aidan Kelly[1]


Jeffrey Burton Russell, a historian at U.C. Santa Barbara who has written a
four-volume study of the idea of the devil, sees a parallel between fear of
satanism and the witch trials of the past "brought on by hysteria."... "My
one wish is people would play this down and it will go away."

Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1991

Not only does the general public offer no support to survivors, many
of the people who are supposed to help them don't either. Many survivors are
revictimized as they search for therapists. Most therapists do not believe
children are abused in cults. Some therapists believe ritual abuse happens,
but they are unaware of the prevalence of the problem. When survivors do find
therapists who believe them, skeptics say survivors are led by these
therapists to believe they are ritual abuse survivors. They say being a
satanic ritual abuse survivor is a fad.


Authorities say America is witnessing an epidemic of concern over Satan and
his minions, especially among adherents of fundamentalist Christianity.
So-called ritual abuse is only a part of it. But are these tales of incest
and human sacrifice true? Many mental health experts think not.

Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1991

When ritual abuse is publicly denied, it is extremely painful for the victims
who are trying to recover. Ritual abuse survivors really have two
perpetrators: the cults that violated them, and the society that let it
happen and that today still does not

[CTRL] [7] The Right People

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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an excerpt from:
The Right People - A Portrait of the American Social Establishment
Stephen Birmingham©1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1968
Little, Brown and Company
Boston-Toronto
LCCN 68-11525
360pps.  out-of-print
--[7]--

7

The Dirty Part

IN a large stone house outside Philadelphia, surrounded by acres of venerable
lawn, at the end of a long graveled driveway that is raked so often that each
car approaching leaves fresh furrows in it, lives a certain little old lady
with servants and roomfuls of family photographs. At tea time, on designated
afternoons, she receives her brothers and cousins, her nieces and nephews and
little grandnieces and grandnephews, most of whom live nearby, and, as she
pours from a large, heavily embossed silver service, the conversation is
witty and cultivated and intimate and gay. "Gentle talk," she calls it.
Mostly it is family talk, but often it ranges to art, the opera, the
symphony, the local dances. Politics is a rare topic; so is the theatre
-unless, of course, someone "knows someone" who has made the unusual move of
"going into politics," or is "taking a fling" at going on the stage. The
talk, in other words, centers around "people we know." When tea is over, the
children kiss their elderly relative good-by and leave with parents or
governesses, and a few adults stay on for cocktails and a few of these old
members of the family may remain for dinner. At eleven o'clock, the great
doors of the house close for the night.

This lady is a member of one of Philadelphia's oldest and wealthiest and most
distinguished families. At eighteen, she was the city's most beautiful and
popular debutante. Strangers ask why she never mar ried. This is a subject
that is not discussed much in the family any more; the reasons why no longer
matter much. But, if pressed for an answer, close friends will tell the story
of how once, when she was a young girl, she fell in love. The man she loved
was out of her class, and was Jewish  either one of which circumstances
might have been remotely tolerable, alone. But together they made the
situation impossible. She never fell out of love, never fell in love again.
Once, it is said, she asked her father for permission to marry the man. Papa,
very gently, explained that it was out of the question. She bowed to Papa's
wisdom. This story, in its classic simplicity, presents a classic truth:
love, among the rich, can be cruel.

Love among the rich is different simply because the rich are rich, and for no
other reason. (F. Scott Fitzgerald's sensitive observation about the rich
that they are "different" from you and me and Ernest Hemingway's flat-footed
rebuttal of it, that they have more money, reveals only that one man
understood the power of money and the other did not.) "Power," states an old
Chinese proverb, "is ancient wealth." And it is to this thinking that most
American rich, knowingly or not, subscribe. The adjective here is most
important. In order for the power  the influence, the prestige, the ability
to control other people and shore up reserves against the world's inequities
 to be at its fullest, the money must age. This is why the newly rich are
very different from the anciently rich. Money, like a good strand of pearls,
improves and grows more lustrous with each generation that wears it.

This, of course, explains why so much of the talk among the very old rich is
family talk. Money is part of the bloodline, inextricable from it, celebrated
along with it so that the two are tacitly considered to be the same. Family
money is a thing that, from generation to generation, must not only be
preserved, but must also be enriched and fed and nourished from time to time,
from whatever sources are at hand, resupplied from other wells of ancient
wealth. Otherwise, any family fortune  unless the strictest rules of
primogeniture are adhered to  dissipates quickly through division, taxation,
and simple spending. Marriage, therefore  the right marriage  is of prime
importance. "Love"  taken to mean romantic love, or even sex  must be
subordinated to that, or at least made equivalent to that. Among the rich,
money and love and marriage go together like a horse and a pair of carriages
 the money being the horse that pulls the caravan. In upperclass love, money
is always raising its ugly head. Before the demands of love can be met, the
demands of money must be. In marriage, money is definitely the dirty part;
sooner or later all the implications of that five-letter word must be faced.

The rich in America are often accused of living in the past, but this is not
really the case. The past, the family, and where the money came from provide
a textured background for what goes on today, but the true concern of the
rich is for the future: where the money will go. A child is more than a
child. He is also the carrier of the money into the next generation, and the
one after that. This is the reason for the unquestioning

[CTRL] Vegas P.I.: The Life and Times of America's Greatest Detective - Lake Headley

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from Barnes and Noble:

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He presents well-documented evidence  that Donald DeFreeze, head of the
Symbionese Liberation Army, kidnappers  of Patty Hearst in 1974, was a police
informant and an agent
provocateur.
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Vegas P.I.: The Life and Times of America's Greatest Detective
Lake Headley  William Hoffman
Our Price: $22.95

Format: Hardcover, 1st ed., 306pp.
ISBN: 1560250577
Publisher: Thunder's Mouth Press
Pub. Date: April 1993

Synopsis
Filled with major crime cases and startling revelations, this gripping
narrative tells the fascinating, often moving autobiography of a genuine
American original--Headley and his 35 action-packed years as a detective
battling crime on the streets of Las Vegas and beyond.


Reviews and Commentary

This Book was reviewed by:  The Publisher,  Richard Paul Snyder -
BookList  and  Publisher's Weekly - Publishers Weekly

From The Publisher:
The extraordinary and glamorous adventure of one of the most renowned
private investigators of all time, Vegas P.I. is the fascinating and
often moving autobiography of a genuine American original - Lake
Headley. Filled with major crime cases and startling revelations, it
chronicles his thirty-five perilous and action-packed years as a
first-rank detective defending the disenfranchised and battling crime on
the streets of Las Vegas and beyond. Headley relates his early years
working for the Las Vegas/Clark County Sheriff's Department, a force
which more closely resembled a vigilante committee than a law
enforcement agency. After five years Headley's conscience and stomach
got the better of him and, in 1962, he resigned and set out on his own,
launching one of the most spectacular careers in criminal justice
history. He takes us back to a period of gambling history when the Mob
ruled the strip and he busted some of the most ingenious scams cheaters
ever devised. Headley gives never-revealed details of the famous "Friars
Club Cheating Case" in which celebrities such as Phil Silvers, Debbie
Reynolds, Tony Martin, and Groucho Marx lost more than a million dollars
in a rigged gin rummy game at the exclusive Friars Club in Beverly
Hills. Headley chronicles his wild adventures with the legendary bounty
hunter "Papa" Ralph Thorson. He pursues a dangerous involvement with the
American Indian Movement (AIM) after their 72-day Wounded Knee
occupation, which ultimately evolved into the most massive private
defense investigation in history. Fascinating new information is
revealed about the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Symbionese Liberation
Army (SLA), and the mysterious conflagration and gun battle in which 6
members of the SLA died in a house in Los Angeles although they
apparently were trying to surrender. Among his many brushes with
celebrity, he was called in to investigate the Bloomingdale-Morgan
Affair, a murder case that involved sado-masochistic sex and a cast of
ch

From Richard Paul Snyder - BookList:
Real-life detectives are said to follow a rather boring vocation. Not
Lake Headley II; he found himself mixed up in some of America's most
publicized events, such as the FBI's battles with Native Americans at
Wounded Knee, Arizona investigative reporter Don Bolles' death, Patti
Hearst and the Symbionese Liberation Army, and federal judge Harry
Claiborne's impeachment. Headley began as a Las Vegas deputy sheriff,
but setting up and gunning down a drug addict went against his grain, so
he resigned. He and another ex-deputy set up their own Vegas detective
agency; then Headley hooked up with legendary bounty hunter "Papa" Ralph
Thorson. Neither job suited him, but when the famous defense attorney
Luke McKissack took Headley along to Wounded Knee, the PI discovered his
true life's work--aiding underdogs--which in turn earned Headley the
enmity of a good many law enforcement agents: the inside scoop on all
the aforementioned cases is that the bad guys are the ones who are
supposed to be protecting us--sheriffs, FBI agents, D.A.'s, U.S.
attorneys general, etc. Those interested in the nuts and bolts of
private detection should look elsewhere, but there are some fascinating
stories here.

From Publisher's Weekly - Publishers Weekly:
For 30 years, Headley, who died in 1992, worked as a private
investigator in Las Vegas. This account of his career, written with
Hoffman, his coauthor on Contract Killer, is shocking and exciting. The
earlier book involved the killing of Jimmy Hoffa, so little attention is
given that case here. But Headley does present startling revelations
about his other investigations. He presents well-documented evidence
that Donald DeFreeze, head of the Symbionese Liberation Army, kidnappers
of Patty Hearst in 1974, was a police informant and an agent
provocateur. Headley also worked on the investigation of the 1976 murder

Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread William Hugh Tunstall


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Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, Thomas
Sowell with frequency, the connection with libertarianism is rather
obvious, isn't it?

Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy are NOT shaped by
libertarian thought?


Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for your
erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how tolerant you are of
individuals who do not share your philosophical perspective.  Examine your
statement below: because I disagree with you, I am characterized by you as
being afraid of "liberty, freedom and equality."  But you also go further:
presumably, by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave," and benefit
from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack on me

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
I find libertarianism to be not only a flawed approach to
political and social issues...but also a dangerous one.
 snip extension of logical fallacy

 MJ:
 I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.  I see your use of
 ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
 most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
 the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.


 Regard$,
 --MJ

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 what they have in beliefs, ideas and possessions. The sterile
 radical, too, is basically conservative. He is afraid to let
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 his life be seen as empty and wasted. -- Eric Hoffer

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Re: [CTRL] little Mary Manson

1999-06-06 Thread Herbert Hershel Henderson


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--

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:47:29Tsadowq wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Previous Thread: Marilyn Manson on Littleton

(sing-along)

There's Charlie and there's Squeeky,
There's Marilyn who's freaky,
My song is tongue and cheeky,
The Manson Family

Fellow Lollards:

In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist

Antichrist?  lol

It is going to take FAR more than black nail polish and fishnet
stockings for junior girlie-man Manson to actually assume the
Antichrist (capital "A") role he attributes to himself.
---he's says he's taken the role of the christian's antichrist because that's what 
they compare him to..
In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

  MATTHEW CHAPTER 10
  16)  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
 be ye therefore WISE as serpents, and harmless as doves.

  LUKE CHAPTER 21
  15)  For I will give you a mouth and WISDOM, which all your
 adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

There are plenty other examples as well.
Of course, we don't expect Manson to actually know what
he is talking about, *especially* on biblical issues.
--- of coure he knows something on the subject, you don't fight or try to explain 
something to a people (or institution) that you know nothing about---


To see his real influenece in the young of America you should go here:

http://members.aol.com/ZZZIMZZZUM/angel.html

It's a pretty hilarious spectical..


Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

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[CTRL] CJR - Who Owns What, by Aaron Moore

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
http://cjr.org/owners/
A HREF="http://cjr.org/owners/"CJR - Who Owns What, by Aaron Moore/A
-

media search:
 newspapers
 magazines
 owners
search for a
media property:



Who Owns What
Media companies continue to grow, and a shrinking number of them shape
what we view and read. What does that mean for journalists -- and for
the nation?

Here are some tools for thinking about that. First, an essay on media
concentration by Tom Goldstein, dean of Columbia's Graduate School of
Journalism. Then WHO OWNS WHAT, CJR's Web guide to what the major media
companies own.




New entries (as of 5/17/99)
CNHI
E.W. Scripps
A.H. Belo
McClatchy Company
Washington Post Company
Advance
Bertelsmann
Cablevision
CBS
Comcast
Cox Communications
Disney
Dow-Jones  Company
Gannett
General Electric
Hearst Corporation
Hollinger
Knight Ridder
MediaOne
News Corporation
New York Times Company
Reed Elsevier
Seagram
Sony
Times Mirror, Inc.
Time-Warner
Tribune Company
Viacom
Last updated 5/10/99

We will continue to add more companies to the guide, and to keep it
updated as the corporations change their operations.

The resource guide is maintained by Aaron Moore, a Temple University
graduate student who is also a correspondent for The Philadelphia
Inquirer. Please send comments or corrections to him at
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and/or to the editors at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

==
from:
http://cjr.org/year/98/5/goldstein.asp
A HREF="http://cjr.org/year/98/5/goldstein.asp"CJR, Sept/Oct 98 - Does Big
Mean Bad?, by Tom G
/A
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September/October 1998 | Contents


Conglomerates
Does Big Mean Bad?
As the Century Winds Down, Media Power Continues to Concentrate. Here
Are Some Tools for Thinking About That.


by Tom Goldstein
Goldstein is the dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of
Journalism. This essay is a companion piece to CJR's guide to media
ownership.


The journalist's fear of the concentrated power of the big media
companies is almost instinctual. Yet what do we fear exactly? Is it the
potential for misuse of journalistic properties to benefit other arms of
a corporation? Is it the undercurrent of corporate values that we think
we sense flowing through and shaping some news? Or do we fear mere
phantoms, the anti-monopoly sentiments of a century that is passing into
history?

By way of addressing such questions, CJR has done two things. First we
have put on our Web site -- www.cjr.org -- a new resource guide, titled
"Who Owns What." It is a detailed road map for journalists, researchers,
and others to find which corporations are financially connected with
which products and media outlets. We begin with fifteen of the largest
and most influential companies, from Advance Publications, Bertelsmann,
Cablevision, and Disney to Sony, Time Warner, and Viacom. This fall we
will add seven others. "Who Owns What" will be expanded and updated
regularly by its creator, Aaron Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). It
includes a search engine. CJR also asked Tom Goldstein, dean of
Columbia's Graduate School of Journalism, to explain why this kind of
information is important and to examine the evolving debates about the
continuing concentration of media ownership. Here is his essay:

In my last incarnation, as dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at
the University of California at Berkeley, I once lobbied a top recruiter
for a major newspaper chain to hire students from the school. The
recruiter then explained why her company had not interviewed anyone from
Berkeley for many years. The reason was simple: "Bagdikian."

I protested. Ben Bagdikian, the media critic and my predecessor there as
dean, is a self-effacing giant in the field. I was missing the point,
the recruiter told me. She was convinced that we drilled our students
with Ben's anti-chain views, that like some kind of witch doctor he was
initiating students into the dark arts of skepticism toward media power.
(In fact, in no course did we assign Ben's influential book, The Media
Monopoly. Shame on us.) Ultimately, the recruiter shed her remarkably
thin skin and began hiring Berkeley students.

In the honorable ideological tradition of Will Irwin, Upton Sinclair,
George Seldes, and I. F. Stone, Bagdikian contends that no commercial
power should dominate the news -- just as no state power should. The
media giants make up, in the haunting phrase he coined, a "private
ministry of information."

In the first edition of Media Monopoly, in 1984, Bagdikian bemoaned that
just fifty corporations controlled more than half of the media outlets
in this country. He was writing when CNN was in its infancy, when most
journalists still used typewriters, and long before the Internet. By
1997, in the book's fifth edition, Bagdikian pegged the "number of media
corporations with dominant power in society" at closer to ten. The "new
communications cartel," he wrote, has the power to

[CTRL] media lords: Hillary is bottom heavy! [bastardization of OUR air waves]

1999-06-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe


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Since the airwaves of the Nation are owned by the People, and leased to the
media lords, I think it is high time and way past due that they be
investigated by an ad hoc citizens committee for failure to provide the
Citizens with unbiased and meaningful news.  In addition such investigation
should determine their culpability in the increasing violence occurring in
our Republic.  We can't allow the People's Congress or the Waco Witch
Attorney Genetrix to perform the investigation because of the extent of
their corruption which is not even being reported.
In my view, I don't consider the fact that klintoon's spouse is bottom heavy
news which is worthy of sending over OUR airwaves.



Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

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Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

1999-06-06 Thread Das GOAT


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In a message dated 99-06-06 10:11:02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Unless I'm thinking of another " Revelation," you'll find it in
Greek. The contents and ideas are Mystery Cult and not Jewish.
[ Is this right Goat?]

Yes, Greek.  Still, "Revelations" itself is pretty thoroughly Jewish,
repeating (recycling) the symbolism first used by certain OT prophets, but
with an exaggerated "hellfire  damnation" element added by the more violent
revolutionary wing of the Zealots around John the Baptist, whom the Herodians
feared more than Jesus himself.  The best part of it --the vision of the
Eternal, the Throne, the Living Creatures, etc-- is pure Kabbalah.

The traditional Jewish view is that "prophecy" ENDED with Malachi, i.e., with
Ezra.

It's the companion book by "John" (likely not even the SAME "John"), the
GOSPEL of--, whose contents and ideas are "Mystery Cult" in spirit -- from a
HELLENISTIC Jewish
sect, influenced by Alexandrian Philo Judaeus and the proto-Gnostics around
Paul.
"John" likewise gives evidence of editing and at least two distinct voices
writing.  It owes its "legitimacy" as canon to those pericopes which are
brief and to the point, rather like the episodes in the Gospel of Mark.  The
rambling, repetitive LONG monologues from the mouth of "Jesus" are the second
layer, parabolic images literally beaten to death.
"John" reflects the minority GREEK perspective of syncretistic Johannite
"Christians." (You'll note that in the book itself, numerous favorable
references are made to them.)

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Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

1999-06-06 Thread William Hugh Tunstall


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I think the champions of free trade and unrestricted markets should read
this post carefully.

Apparently, laissez-faire capitalism is not working out well in southern
Africa.

But what happens when laissez-faire solutions are applied to an
industrially developed nation like New Zealand?  Read Dr. Jane Kelsey's
article, "Life in the Economic Test-Tube: New Zealand 'experiment' a
colossal failure."  http://mai.flora.org/library/test-tube.html



On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Taylor, John (JH) wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Most of SADC's population scratch a June 04, 1999
 © Weekly Mail  Guardian
 living from the soil
 Ian Clayton
 Out of a population of 180-million in the Southern Africa Development
 Community (SADC), only one in 10 has a job in the formal sector and only
 about 20% of the economically active population have jobs, a Norwegian
 researcher, Liv Torres, has established.
 This gives an unemployment rate of nearly 80% in the SADC countries,
 excluding Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Seychelles - and
 would be even higher if those countries were included.
 Torres also found that only about 40% of those in formal sector employment
 are organised. Those without formal sector jobs are "unemployed or struggle
 to find means of survival in the informal sector of subsistence farming.
 "To have a job or not has become a `to be or not to be', in countries with
 few, or no, safety nets," she says. "At the same time, a large portion of
 those within the formal sector labour market earn less than poverty wages.
 Child labour, HIV, labour migration, low skills levels, tenant labour
 systems and poverty within the labour market pose further political and
 economic challenges for the SADC countries and for regional integration."
 Torres reaches these conclusions in a study called Labour Markets in
 Southern Africa, which has been published by the Oslo-based Fafo Institute
 for Applied Social Science.
 She says the poverty development trend in Southern Africa has to be reversed
 and economic growth is without doubt the most powerful weapon in the fight
 for higher living standards.
 "Yet, as important for poverty eradication as well as economic development,
 although often underestimated, is the distribution of income and wealth.
 "The benefits of growth for the poor may be eroded if the distribution of
 income worsens, which might also undermine the incentives for
 growth-inducing economic reforms."
 Southern Africa is challenged by a lack of growth in the formal sector, huge
 wealth disparities and labour market segmentation reinforcing the social
 cleavages in society at large. Large majorities are employed in subsistence
 farming in the rural areas and in informal activities in the urban areas.
 However, she warns that the level of existing statistics and updated
 information about Southern Africa is very poor and this has to be improved
 to be able to make informed policy decisions.
 "Southern Africa needs to exit from the circle of low-paid labour,
 unemployment/informal/subsistence sector survival strategies and low
 education and skills levels.
 "Lack of education and low skills levels are hereditary; illiterates are
 thrown into survival strategies, which neither build further skills levels
 for themselves nor for their children.
 "In order to exit from these bad circles, regional strategies are needed,
 but future regional strategies that are based on informed knowledge about
 the characteristics, sector and occupational composition, skills levels, and
 migration patterns of the current labour markets. A regional information and
 resource centre is long overdue."
 Torres says the economic problems of Southern Africa can to some extent be
 attributed to the fact that the countries in the region have been locked
 into roles as exporters of either raw materials or crops.
 These countries have inherited from colonial times a low-skilled workforce
 and extremely divided labour markets in which highly paid skills and
 resources have to be imported from outside. Several of these countries have
 also inherited, developed or got stuck in "enclave economics", in which they
 remain fully dependent upon the production and export of raw materials
 and/or raw crops.
 Southern Africa became increasingly marginalised in the world economy
 through the 1970s and 1980s, and the economies of the region became
 progressively under greater control of and dependent upon the World Bank and
 the International Monetary Fund and their structural adjustment programmes.
 By the mid-1990s, the region's debt was estimated at between $150-billion
 and $180-billion - between R9 000-billion and R12 000-billion.
 The overall growth rate for the African continent stood at 3,7% in 1995, up
 from 1,9% in 1994, and during the 1990s, three Southern African countries
 have exceeded 8%, namely Lesotho, Mauritius and Uganda.
 However, poverty rates in sub-Saharan Africa are increasing. Greater poverty
 as well as

[CTRL] Fwd: S99-101, Day 74 (June 5, 6:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan






FROM WASHINGTON, DC

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.  

Issue S99-101, Day 74
-
June 5, 1999; 6:00PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Washington   1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

Washington   2. Drop Clinton, Not Bombs! (A Speech by Bob
Djurdjevic)



1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

WASHINGTON, June 5 - Mark this day - June 5! This is the day a Serb flag
was flying at the Pentagon possibly for the first time in history, mounted
high on top of the soundstage erected on the Pentagon lawn, right next to
the official U.S. Defense Department flag pole.  All around the
red-blue-and-white Serb banner, more than 30,000 anti war demonstrators who
took part in today's "March on the Pentagon," billowed from the top of
their lungs, "Yu-go-sla-via! Yu-go-sla-via!" 

If such an event were to have taken place in some overseas country, people
might have assumed a World Cup soccer match was taking place.  But this was
America.  And the surprisingly small number of the Pentagon security detail
and the Arlington Police, looked on in amusement, snapping pictures of the
crowd on this hot Saturday afternoon.

It was moment to behold. Chinese drummers beat their drums; Serbian
protesters blew their whistles; Korean demonstrators sang their songs;
Greeks wrapped themselves in their blue-and-whites; the Russians, the
Koreans, the Cubans, the Poles waved their flags - nearly all of them
wearing TARGET signs - joined in the chants: "Yu-go-sla-via!
Yu-go-sla-via!" And, "bombs and missiles - we say no, U.S. out of Kosovo!"
"One, two, three four - we don't want your bloody war."

And yes, as you may have gathered by now, this preceding means that the
Arlington Police and the County officials backed down, unable to stop the
30,000+ marchers from closing the Memorial Bridge and the Washington
Boulevard, supposedly also for the first time in history.  So freedom of
speech and right to peaceful assembly is still alive and well today in
America.  

Our thanks to all TiM readers who contributed to it. But as with all
rights, if we ignore them, they will go to a higher bidder.  So we'll have
to keep it up

Meanwhile, large masses of anti-NATO protesters had assembled earlier this
afternoon at the Vietnam Memorial, where the opening speeches were given,
including that by your editor, enclosed below as Item 2 of this report. 

After the speech, the TiM editor also gave interviews to NPR radio, to the
Russian and Chinese news agencies, and to some other local news media. The
American public TV network C-SPAN, reportedly carried a live broadcast of
the proceedings.  Predictably, there were no CNN, NBC ABC or CBS cameras or
satellite trucks in evidence.  But there were several media helicopters
filming the march (stand by for TiM's photos from the protest, which we
will post at our Web site upon returning to Phoenix).

Later this afternoon, CNN Headline News showed some pictures of
demonstrators crossing the Memorial Bridge, with the Lincoln Memorial
visible in the background, saying that only 5,000 people participated in
today's demonstrations.  This contrasts with the estimates of the protest
organizers which ranged from 30,000 to 40,000 people.  

Whatever the actual number of protester, it was without a doubt the largest
anti-war demonstration held in the nation's capital since the days of the
Vietnam war. To those TiM readers who joined us either in person or in
spirit; to all those who stood up and made a stand for truth and justice
today, we say: "Thank you!  Now you can proudly tell your children or
grandchildren that you had not remained silent during the days of the
American Infamy."
---

2. Days of American Infamy II (A Speech by Bob Djurdjevic)

WASHINGTON, June 5 - The following is the prepared text of the speech which
TiM's editor delivered today at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC:

Ladies and gentlemen, fellow-patriots, friends of the truth and liberty,

I come to Washington from the Grand Canyon state of Arizona to join you in
your righteous protest against an American government which has become so
un-American.  This is no longer a government "OF the people, BY the people,
FOR the people."  This is a government OF and FOR a group of "death
merchants," bankers and industrialists, run BY corrupt politicians, like
Bill Clinton.  And it is a government AGAINST the interests of the American
people.  

Is it in our interest to have a $5.6 trillion national debt? 

Is it in our interest to pay for the IMF bailouts of Wall Street bankers in
Mexico, Asia, Russia or Brazil?

Is it in our interest to have American troops stationed in over 100
countries around the world?

Is it in our interest to have to build a Kosovo Memorial right next to

[CTRL] The Third Way: Stealth Socialism

1999-06-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe


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The Third Way: Stealth Socialism

by Mike Wilson, Editor, APC News Wire

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, often called the British version of Bill
Clinton, has perfected Clintons style of substance-less leadership. Now
Blair is the most prominent proponent of a vague new political movement
steeped in the lofty idea that society can have its cake and eat it too --
if only there were more "compromise" at the political "center."

Its called the "Third Way" and its becoming a successful method for
left-wing parties in Europe to get elected in an era when history books
conclusively show the failure of Marxist ideology.

The Third Way is, in effect, a grudging admission by the left that
traditional market controls of collectivist governments cannot thrive in
todays global economy. But at the same time, its a stubborn insistence
that an activist federal government is still an effective approach to public
problems.

"The Third Way stands for a modernized social democracy, passionate in its
commitment to social justice and the goals of the center-left, but flexible,
innovative and forward-looking in the means to achieve them," writes Blair.
"It seeks to take the essential values of the center and center-left and
apply them to a world of fundamental social and economic change, and to do
so free from outdated ideology."

Blair speaks frequently of the government "equipping" citizens to succeed,
the government and private sector working in "partnership" together, while
"sharing responsibility" and "cooperating internationally."

But what never really gets around to being explained is exactly HOW its all
supposed to work. Other than a general commitment to "education" and "worker
training" Third Way proponents never get past eloquent descriptions of
utopian goals.

"You cant be against it," says Polly Toynbee, a British social affairs
commentator whos a Third Way skeptic. "It includes everything good you ever
heard."

Recently, talk of this Third Way has been building momentum among Democrats
in the U.S. Its no surprise that Democrats would be enthused by a new tool
to continue their evolution into "New Democrats." Thus far the term has come
to mean nothing more than dressing up liberals and liberal policies in
disguise, keeping Hillary muzzled, paying lip service to traditionally
Republican issues such as crime, welfare and tax cuts; and immediately
heralding any big government spending as an "investment" for "the children."

These have been necessary tactics since Clinton caused Democrats to lose
control of Congress halfway through his first term -- subsequently turning
Liberal into a dirty word. The huge tax increase, the effort to let
homosexuals serve openly in the military and a failed attempt to nationalize
the health care system showed Democrats that they had seriously misread the
publics tolerance for brazenly liberal public policy.

But Democrats have adapted well -- due largely to the establishment medias
perpetuation of the myth that theres a great public yearning for lawmakers
to simply meet halfway on any point of contention, have a bipartisan hug and
things will be just fine.

The Third Way caters directly to this attitude.

The danger this presents to conservatives is a new banner of credibility for
the left, and the likelihood that the right will continue to be labeled
"extremists" or "obstructionists" for refusing to compromise on core
principles. This could be easily overcome if Republicans werent too
squeamish to stand up to the smear, hold firm on the principle that
sometimes no legislation is better than bad legislation, and then let the
voters (not the polls or pundits) cast final judgment. Unfortunately, it
doesnt seem likely that Republicans will rediscover the backbone they lost
in the government shutdown three years ago.

Meanwhile, conservatives would be well-advised to publicly scrutinize Third
Way rhetoric, challenging the absence of policy and insisting it be defined
in terms of methods rather than goals.





http://www.americanpolicy.org/plate.main/publicationshighlights/spotlight/Th
irdWay.html

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The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every
fragment of the socialist program, until one day America
will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
--- Norman Thomas,
U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate



"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the
traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers
rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #3

1999-06-06 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990606c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No earth goddesses were violated during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Honeybees hunt for land mines. RICHLAND, Wa. (AP) Honeybees equipped with
radio tags no larger than a grain of rice may one day be used to detect
antipersonnel land mines on battlefields and elsewhere. Researchers seek to
train and track entire colonies of bees, conditioned to prefer something
other than honey, such as TNT, the primary component of land mines. Ultima-
tely, it may be possible to carry a hive to a site and release the bees to
search for explosives or other things, such as methamphetamine-making
ingredients or nuclear waste. www.cnn.com/NATURE/9906/03/bee.tags.ap/

: What substances would you like to detect? Would you mind being busted by
an insect? Will you have to be very very careful about what you do and eat?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Noah's Ark? Or elaborate fraud? Adventurers document astonishing find.
(WND) Four east Tennessee men have felt that hope on the trip of a lifetime
that led them on a dangerous adventure to Turkey to view what many claim is
the final resting spot of Noah's Ark. Only known photos of the Ark site:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990601_xex_noahs_ark_br.shtml

$ Journey to Noah's Ark: http://www.lakemoor.com/

: Which version of the old Sumerian myth / Noachian 'Ark' legend do you like
best? How many animals could you fit onto an Ark? How bad would they smell?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiResources:

@ HyperHistory Online. HyperHistory presents 3,000 years of world history
with a combination of colorful graphics, lifelines, timelines, and maps.
Over a 1,200 files are interconnected throughout the website, providing 5
sections from which to start your exploration. People; History; Events;
Maps. http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/History_n2/a.html

@ The Gate of Heavenly Peace. The Gate of Heavenly Peace is a documentary
about the protests at Tiananmen Square in 1989, and the resulting Beijing
Massacre. The site explores the history of the demonstrations and comments
on the "deep structure" of political habits  attitudes that have informed
public life in China over the past century.  http://www.nmis.org/gate/

@ Online Newspapers of the World. Tired of your local newspaper? Want to
find out what people on the other side of the world read over their coffee?
Online Newspapers of the World has over 4,000 newspapers and magazines
sorted by region and country and a proficient search engine as well wrapped
up into one excellent, clean, efficient resource. http://www.metagrid.com/

@ Free Education on the Internet. This is a guide to free online courses,
tutorials, and study guides. There are no fees for any of the courses, nor
do you have to sign-up for anything - they're just free. www.free-ed.net/

@ Time Capsule. Enter a date and the Time Capsule will bring back memories
of that year. The site currently has data online for 1900-1997, but not all
data are available for 1995-97. http://www.dmarie.com/asp/history.asp

@ Funk  Wagnalls Online Multimedia Encyclopedia. FW's online version of
its 29-volume Encyclopedia, with over 25,000 articles and more than 3,000
"multimedia elements". Updated monthly, it's freely available after regis-
tration. There's also free access to the Random House Webster's College
Dictionary, Reuters headlines and searchable archive, and a separate
browseable index for the multimedia items featured in the Encyclopedia,
with links to the appropriate article. http://www.funkandwagnalls.com
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Vatican City online: http://www.vatican.va/
@ Islam (submission): http://www.discoverislam.com/
@ AA: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/findex.html
@ Yahoo Skeptics Club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/skeptics
@ Internet Skeptics: http://members.xoom.com/jneedham/skeptics.html

# CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR - Critics Charge Attempt to Legitim-
  ize Pedophilia: www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/04/study0604_01.html
# MARIJUANA RULING ROCKS DUI DOCKET - 100's of Cases Threatened by GA Court
  Action: www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/02/exceptions0602_01.html

@ Sayonara, Y2k: Ed Yourdon's Candid Exit: http://www.yourdon.com
@ Van Impe Intelligence Briefing: www.jvim.com/IntelligenceBriefing/
@ New World Order Intelligence Update: www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild98.htm

# Bilderberg 'Summit' opens under massive security:
  http://www.the-news.net/
# Current list of Bilderberg participants:
  http://www.the-news.net/archives/bilburglist05-6.htm

@ Women First Healthcare: http://www.womenfirst.com/
@ Chess for Kids: http://tqjunior.advanced.org/6290/
@ The Nobel Channel: http://www.nobelchannel.com/
@ Best US Beaches: http://www.petrix.com/beaches/

# KKK

[CTRL] Before They Come for the Guns

1999-06-06 Thread Bob Stokes


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990520_xccwo_before_the.shtml
A
HREF="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990520_xccwo_before_the.sh
tml"Before they come for the guns/A


Before they come for the guns



© 1999 Claire Wolfe

"... Romanian term limits," somebody was saying as I walked into Grouchy's
Gun Shop, just north of the Hardyville stoplight.

The other guys around the counter laughed, as if at a bitter joke. Then their
grins -- and their talk -- chopped off as they turned to see who'd come in.
"She's OK," said the glance they exchanged. I went to look at holsters and
they went on as if they'd never been interrupted.

"Didja hear about this new executive order? That murdering dictator in the
White House ..." one groused as I disappeared around a display rack. And it
occurred to me -- not for the first time -- that this is why politicians and
bureaucrats are so desperate to crush gun dealers and gun shows out of
existence.

It's got less to do with "killer guns" than with talk.

Maybe they don't do it in the locked room at Cabela's, where rich folks buy
$6,000 engraved shotguns, but in every gun store I've been in the last six
years, this is what goes on all day. Talk. Talk about what's being taken
away, and how brutally, how unlawfully. Talk about their whole culture being
demonized and slowly legis-regulated out of existence -- not only "the gun
culture," whatever that may be, but an entire culture of independence,
individuality, and live-and-let-live.

Like 'em or hate 'em, these once-peaceful gun owners of the '90s are feeling
a lot like Jews of 1939 Germany. Maligned, lied about, persecuted and
threatened. Afraid, confused and angry. Very.

Of course, talk is proverbially cheap. A substitute for action, as often as
not. Still ... if a revolution or a Bill of Rights underground is going to
develop, it's going to happen here, in grubby little gun shops like
Grouchy's.

It is happening. ...

"I was talking with Colonel Beaudoin, over at the Armory," stage-whispered
one of the talkers. "He said if they ever get the order to confiscate guns,
he'd warn some of us. That way we could turn over old junk and hide the good
stuff for a 'rainy day.'"

"S---," snarled another. "If the government ever comes collecting guns,
that's about as rainy a damn day as we're gonna get. What is this 'rainy day'
BS, anyway? Do you suppose the farmers at Lexington and Concord just said, oh
well, we'll let 'em take our guns now and will fight on some 'rainy day'?

"Look, if they come for the guns, we fight. Even if we can't do anything but
die. That's the day. We either give up or stand up -- right then. But the
truth is, I don't think they're gonna come for the guns. Not just like that."

"Yeah. They'll just regulate everything away until there's nothing left.
They're already doing that, one whack at a time."

"Nothing left that's legal. But there will still be hundreds of millions of
guns. They're not going to go away just because Rosie O'Donnell and Sarah
Brady wish they would -- or just because politicians wave their magic laws.
No more than booze or dope just went away. You know what this country's going
to look like once there are hardly any legal guns anymore?"

"Cali. Medellin."

"The South Bronx."

"Al Capone's Chicago."

"Half a million more people in prison, at least."

"Won't old Rosie like that, now?"

"But speaking of Al Capone's Chicago, if they want to make criminals of us,
some people are going to be good ones."

"Good ones?"

"Yeah. For starters, most gun owners will outwit the Gestapo one way or
another.

"They'll just crack down on anything we try, eventually."

"We outnumber them, though. Even if they put a half a million of us in
prison, that still leaves millions of us out here."

"Yeah, but doing what?"

"Well, if they make guns illegal or impossible to get, some people are going
to build their own. And the thing is, when you can go to prison for owning a
.22 single-shot target pistol, why not own something bigger and meaner,
instead? Did you know you can build an assault rifle or machine gun -- from
scratch -- with ordinary machinist's tools?"

"Friend of mine, a gunsmith, just got a new lathe. He says he can do anything
now, including that."

"And if you don't have those tools, you can still turn some kinds of .22
pistols into machine pistols, right in your own garage."

"Geez, that's crazy!"

"Look, I'm not saying anybody should do it. I'm just saying that people will
do it once they can't get legal stuff. It's a fact."

"Some of those guns will be blowing up in idiots' faces!"

"Yeah, just like some people went blind from drinking wood alcohol once the
government stopped 'em from getting the legal booze. Just like they die of
drug overdoses because there's no quality control. What else is new?"

"But why would

[CTRL] Clinton in [clear] violation of law

1999-06-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe


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Had 60 days to pull-out of Kosovo or get approval -- neither has happened!
=

FOR RELEASE:
May 26, 1999


Clinton in violation of law
Had 60 days to pull-out of Kosovo or get approval -- neither has happened

WASHINGTON, DC -- As of 12:01 am Wednesday, May 26, President Clinton will
be in clear violation of the 1973 War Powers Resolution. This is the first
time a president has violated the resolution since its enactment.

"President Clinton has nothing left to claim: he is in complete violation of
the Wars Powers Resolution, there is simply no other interpretation," said
US Rep. Ron Paul (R, TX).

Rep. Paul is one of 26 Members of Congress who have filed a lawsuit in
federal court against President Clinton in regards to his violation of the
War Powers Resolution and the US Constitution.

"No one can argue that a president must, when there is a direct, clear and
present danger to American lives, take defensive actions to protect our
national interest. However, 60 days ago this president decided to take
aggressive action against a sovereign nation; and has since had
congressional authorization rejected by a vote of 427 to 2," said Rep. Paul.

Under the War Powers Resolution, a president may engage in hostilities for
60 days without congressional approval. At the end of the 60-day period,
however, the president must have either received a Declaration of War,
received authorization to continue the action for another set period of
time, or begin withdrawing the troops. Since the bombing of Yugoslavia
began, the president has been denied a declaration of war and authorization.

"Once again, though, President Clinton is demonstrating his utter disregard
for the Constitution and laws of this nation. He apparently views himself as
a king, rather than the president of a constitutional republic; he must
believe that his will is the law, rather than the Constitution and acts of
Congress," said Rep. Paul. "To say this president is anything but dangerous
and reckless would be a gross understatement."

Rep. Paul said that while many presidents have violated, with the unspoken
consent of Congress, the constitutional responsibility for the initiation of
war, President Clinton has done so more frequently and brazenly than any
other this century.

"While I am hopeful this president will change his course, recent history
has shown this president holds no more respect for court orders than he does
for the Constitution or the War Powers Resolution. If he shows the same
contempt as in the past, our nation faces serious trouble."





http://www.house.gov/paul/

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Re: [CTRL] A5/1 Pedagogical Implementation

1999-06-06 Thread John Szocik


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Could you please e-mail me the algorithm?
Thanks-a-lot!
JOHN

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[CTRL] INS power

1999-06-06 Thread Linda Minor


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[06/05] Court rules INS can void U.S. citizenship
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A federal appeals court has ruled that the
Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) can use closed hearings to
strip immigrants of naturalized U.S. citizenship obtained by fraud.

In an important decision which could affect thousands of pending citizenship
cases, a panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 Friday to
overturn an injunction which had blocked procedures in use by the INS, a
unit of the Justice Department, since 1998.

``We conclude that the Attorney General does not lack statutory authority to
reopen and reconsider her own orders of naturalization,'' Judge Pamela Rymer
wrote in the majority opinion, allowing the INS to move forward with
denaturalization proceedings.

Lawyers for plaintiffs in the class action case quickly condemned the
decision, which they vowed to challenge all the say to the U.S. Supreme
Court if necessary.

A spokesman for the INS told the Los Angeles Times that the agency was
pleased with the ruling, which could expedite the resolution of some 4,500
cases around the country.

``We feel that the administrative denaturalization process is less
cumbersome than the existing judicial denaturalization process,'' Bill
Strassberger said.

The case stems from a change in U.S. citizenship policy in 1990, when a
federal law transferred the right to grant citizenship to qualified
immigrants from the court system to the INS.

In 1996, after a study of one million new citizens turned up more than 6,000
who had allegedly lied or failed to reveal prior arrest records in their
applications, the INS claimed the right to revoke citizenship by
administrative fiat if it found ''credible and probative evidence''
indicating a case of either official mistake or applicant fraud.

Lawyers representing a number of immigrants challenged the INS in a class
action lawsuit, claiming that the new procedures violated applicants'
constitutional rights not to testify against themselves and unfairly
targeted people for innocent or minor mistakes.

In 1998, a federal judge in Seattle issued an injunction stopping the INS
from using administrative hearings to revoke citizenship -- a decision
appealed by the Justice Department to the San Francisco-based 9th Circuit.

In the majority opinion handed down on Friday, the appeals court noted that
the 1990 federal law had effectively removed citizenship from the purview of
the courts, noting that ''naturalization proceedings -- which no longer take
place in court -- can no longer be reopened in court.''

Upholding the INS' right to go back and review earlier decisions, the court
said it was following what it believed to be the intent of the 1990 law.

``There is nothing remarkable about recognizing an agency's power to reopen
and reconsider its own decisions, especially those arguably obtained by
fraud,'' the court said.

In a sharply worded dissenting opinion, however, Judge Andrew Kleinfeld said
there was no demonstrable principle which holds that ``what one can do, one
can undo.''

``A person can give a gift, but cannot take it back,'' Kleinfeld said,
noting that Congress had not explicitly given the Attorney General the right
to revoke the citizenship her office can grant. ``The attorney general not
only grabbed the ball on denaturalizations, but ran out of bounds with it,''
Kleinfeld wrote.

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[CTRL] Net strike to bite in Europe

1999-06-06 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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Sunday, June 6, 1999 Published at 18:34 GMT 19:34 UK

Net strike to bite in Europe

By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall
Internet users in 15 European countries are staging the biggest strike to
date in protest at high telecommunications charges.

Organisers appealed for everyone able to access the Net not to connect on
Sunday and want telephone users to also avoid making calls.

Internet users in Europe want to stay online longer but say they cannot
afford to because they are being charged by the minute for local calls to
their Internet Service Provider.

AOL backs strike

One such provider, AOL UK, with more than 600,000 members is backing the
strike. It supports the American model of a flat-rate phone charge that
effectively makes local calls free.

"The grassroots campaign mirrors AOL Europe's longstanding opposition to
metered local call charges, which the company believes remain the biggest
single obstacle to the growth of the Internet and e-commerce in Europe," it
said in a statement.

Industry analysts concur that electronic commerce is not taking off in
Europe the same way as it did in the US because of per-minute charges.

In a report last month, Jupiter Communications said: "metered charges, not
total cost, is the culprit. Low use appears to have more to do with the
cost of metered calls than with the total cost of metered access."

The UK parliament is due to debate the issue of telecommunications
regulation and access to the Internet next week.

February strike successful
Internet users in seven European countries staged a 24-hour strike in
February in protest at prices. Internet traffic was reduced by as much as
95 per cent, hitting the revenues of telecommunications companies.

The UK organisers of this weekend's strike expect an even bigger response
now 15 countries are involved. Their stated aims are:

Costs of all telephone calls to more closely mirror the independently
audited cost to telecommunications operators of providing these calls, as
already mandated by EU law.
Introduction of flat-rate charges for - in the first instance - local
calls, so that anyone can talk to friends and relatives, and Internet users
can dial up to Internet Service Providers using a telephone modem, without
worrying about the clock ticking and charges ratcheting up.
For any remaining metered calls, abolition of the minimum call charge so
that calls are paid for solely by the time spent connected.
For Internet users, quicker introduction of modern access methods such as
xDSL, cable modems and satellite access, which do not use the telephone
modem and are a great improvement on it for users.

Countries included in the 24-hour boycott are Austria, Belgium, the Czech
Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal,
Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.


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[CTRL] Non-Intervention

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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From www.antiwar.com/why.html

At the site, each named organisation or person represents a link to
some words about the subject at hand ...

 Why we oppose US/NATO
 intervention in Kosovo:

 Diane Abbott | Thomas Abraham | Academy for Peace | Accuracy in Media
 | Michael Allen | Michael Albert | Crown Prince Alexander | Tariq Ali
 | Brenda Almond | American Friends Service Committee | American Legion
 | The American Spectator | Michael Andersen | Branislav Andjelic |
 Anglican Church of Canada | Stephen Archer | Gerald Atkinson | Praful
 Bakshi | Doug Bandow | Rep. Bob Barr | Bill Bathman | Jan Baughman |
 Art Bell | Martin Bell, MP | Belgrade Center for Human Rights | James
 Bissett | Trim Bissill | Michael Bliss | Samuel Blumenfeld | Alan Bock
 | Boston Globe | Linda Bowles | R.W. Bradford | Phil Brennan | Richard
 Brookheiser | Harry Browne | Pat Buchanan | Budapest Sun | John
 Buehrens | Jane Cadarette | Rep. Tom Campbell | Canadian Auto Workers
 | Canadian Council of Churches | Ted Galen Carpenter | Gerald Carroll
 | James Carroll | Jimmy Carter | John Casey | Cato Institute | Jane
 Chaderette | Jim Chapman | Steve Chapman | Mona Charen | Chattanooga
 Times  Free Press | Linda Chavez | Viktor Chernomyrdin | Chicago
 Tribune | Noam Chomsky | Chronicles Magazine | Jan Cienski | Citizen
 Soldier | Citizens for Honest Goverment | Alan Clark | Ramsey Clark |
 Jonathan Clarke | Sen. Max Cleland | Alexander Cockburn | Andrew
 Cockburn | Raymond Coffey | Nick Cohen | Max Coker | Charles Colson |
 Committee for Peace in the Balkans | Committee to Protect Journalists
 | Conservative Caucus | Peter Coombes | Rupert Cornwell | John Corry |
 CounterPunch | Stephen Cox | Guy Curtis | Glynn Custred | The Daily
 Republican | Tam Dalyell | Uri Dan | Gilles d'Aymery | Democratic
 Party of Serbia | Gary Dempsey | Detroit News | Bob Djurdjevic | John
 Doggett | William Dorich | Dulles Area National Organization for Women
 | Steve Dunleavy | Eagle Forum | Ecoological Villager's Alliance |
 Barbara Ehrenreich | Vincent Scotti Eirene | Jean Beshke Elshtain |
 Todd Emoff | Paul Erdman | Michael Evans | The Exile | Jonathan Eyal |
 Family Research Council | Fairness  Accuracy in Reporting | Joseph
 Farah | Steve Farrell | Don Feder | Federalist Digest | Fellowship of
 Reconciliation | David Fenniaro | Thomas Fleming | Florida Times-Union
 | Cecil Foster | Kerry Fox | Andre Gunther Frank | David Frum | Steven
 Gan | Amulya Ganguli | Eric Garris | Marcus Gee | Jack Germond |
 Joseph Gerson | Nick Gillespie | Global Intellegence Update | Lorrie
 Goldstein | Craig Goodrich | Richard Gott | Grandmothers for Peace
 International | Mark Green | Green Party | William Norman Grigg | Jean
 Grossholtz | Richard Gwyn | Phillip Hammond | Bob Harris | Tom Hayden
 | Jeremy Hardy | Owen Harries | Bob Harris | Michael Harris | David
 Hartsough | Robert Hayden | Paul Hein | James Henry | Nat Hentoff |
 Edward Herman | James Hill | James Hirsen | Randolph Holhut | Denis
 Horgan | David Horowitz | Arianna Huffington | Bill Hughes | Mick Hume
 | Charles Hunter | Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison | Kiyoshi Igusa |
 Independent Institute | Independent of Sunday | Sen. James Inhofe |
 Jared Israel | Institute for Public Accuracy | International
 Federation of Journalists | Investors Business Daily | Irish Times |
 Jesse Jackson | Jim Jatras | Simon Jenkins | Jerusalem Post | John
 Birch Society | Christopher Johnson | Diana Johnstone | George Jonas |
 Zachary Karabell | Hiranmay Karlekar | Martin Kelley | William Kelly |
 Jack Kemp | George Kendall | George Kenney | Larry Keuning | Alan
 Keyes | Cliff Kincaid | R. Court Kirkwood | Rep. Dennis Kucinich |
 Nikolina Kulidzan | Henry Lamb | Vladimir Lapsky | Las Vegas Review
 Journal | John Laughlin | Christoper Layne | Rep. James Leach | League
 of the South | Rep. Barbara Lee | Lega Nord Piemont | Richard Lessner
 | Andrew Lewis | Libertarian Party | Carl Limbacher | London Times |
 LPRC | Ludwig von Mises Institute | John MacArthur | David MacReynolds
 | MADRE | Alice Mahon, MP | Norman Mailer | Randall Major | Manchester
 Union Leader | Robert Manning | Marin County (CA) Republican Party |
 Douglas Mattern | Chris Matthews | Scott McConnell | John McLaughlin |
 Martin McLaughlin | Craige McMillan | Mennonite Central Committee |
 Geoff Metcalf | Joel Miller | Milwaukee Journal Sentinel |
 Minneapolish Star-Tribune | Brian Mitchell | C. Raja Mohan | Carol
 Moore | Michael Moore | Stephen Moore | John Morine | Mary Mostert |
 Mother Jones | Jan Myrdal | Eugene Narrett | The Nation | National
 Catholic Social Justice Lobby | Jim Naureckas | Lars Erik Nelson | The
 New American | New Mexico Republican Assembly | Newsday | John Nicol |
 Oliver North | Robert Novak | J.R. Nyquist | Jan Oberg | Cardinal John
 O'Connor | David Oppenheimer | Orange County Register | David Orchard
 | Jovan Orlovic | Camile Paglia | Michael Parenti | Pope John Paul |
 Rep. Ron Paul | Pax Christi USA | Peace Action |

[CTRL] NewAus US Report

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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Couldn't pass it up ...

From www.newaus.com.au/USReport.html

New Australian


 it like it isPictureThe New Australian


 Clinton's hollow Serbian 'victory'


 By James Henry
 No. 122,   7-13 June 1999

 The first thing to note about NATO's alleged victory is that Clinton
 is not crowing. Why? Could it be that this a smoke-and-mirrors
 victory? The kind that will allow Clinton and Blair to save their
 faces, despite the huge cost in terms of materiel and dollars, not to
 mention America's credibility. Let me cast my readers' mind back to
 past articles. When this fiasco started I stated that Milosevic will
 hold out until he thinks he has achieved his objective and will then
 talk turkey about peace terms. It looks very much as if this is what
 he has done.

 I also wrote what if "victory is achieved  so what? Milosevic will
 still be in Belgrade enjoying Russian and Chinese support as well as a
 great deal of local support due to nationalist feelings while Kosovo
 will be literally prostrate; Montenegro will be in a parlous position,
 Macedonia will need a great deal of aid and Orthodox Greece will be
 deeply disturbed. Where will all of this leave the Kosovar refugees?
 Still refugees, that's what." Well, that's what it looks like to me
 right now. The situation now leaves Milosevic in the peculiar position
 of being able to claim victory. And if Serbia gains control of Kosovo
 this will be the case. Let us not forget, regardless of Clinton's
 media barrage, that Kosovo is a historical part of Serbia and that it
 was never part of NATO's intention to cleave it off. Even Clinton and
 Blair knew that an 'independent' Kosovo could blow up in their faces.
 Moreover, they know that even if Milosevic is replaced the situation
 will remain essentially unaltered.

 Initially Clinton and Blair had demanded the virtual surrender of
 Serbia. NATO troops were to have complete and unhindered access to its
 territory and facilities. To rub it in, NATO was to control Kosovo and
 its personnel were to "be immune from all legal process, whether
 civil, administrative, or criminal." It is no longer doubted in most
 quarters that NATO's demands were deliberately made to be unacceptable
 to Belgrade.

 After 71 days of bombing, Serbia promises to withdraw troops but (and
 this is a big but) NATO will not control the province or have access
 to Serbia willy-nilly. The Province will be 'controlled' by a
 multinational peacekeeping force, a member of which will be Russia. So
 Russian troops, which are Serbia's de facto allies, will be helping to
 maintain order in Kosovo. In other words, what were once considered
 essential parts of NATO's demands have now been abandoned. In the
 meantime, the presence of Russian troops will reinforce Moscow's
 influence in the region. And make no mistake about it  the Russians
 will play the Orthodox card for all its worth. No wonder Clinton's not
 smiling.

 Another thing that is lurking at the bottom of his sewer-like mind is
 the cost of the war, including rebuilding Serbia and Kosovo. Estimates
 put this well in excess of $30 billion dollars. And why? Because
 little Miss Triggerhappy Albright convinced the Artful Draft-Dodger
 that Milosevic would cave in within days. Of course, this $30 billion
 does not include policing the area or relocating refugees who are
 understandably reluctant to trust their future to Serbian politicians.


 The region has been a political blight on Europe's underbelly for
 centuries. Clinton and the rest of his bomb-happy social democratic
 buddies have made sure it will stay that way for a long time to come.
 In the meantime, expect John Doe to pick up the tab.

 I would like to end with a comment on Blair's mates. The rabid Robin
 Cook, Britain's Foreign Secretary, is screaming for Milosevic's head.
 The same Cook that had Pinochet arrested but refused to support the
 arrest of that well-known anti-American drug-running and trainer of
 internationalist terrorists, Fidel Castro. Is that because members of
 the Blair government, like Mandelson, are known Castro supporters,
 including Cook?

 The New Australian


On another wavebeam: Is there a possible mad-cow disease (as
transmitted to humans) tie-in?  Who's watching the Cook?

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[CTRL] Murdock in Australia

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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From www.newaus.com.au/upfront.html


 The New Australian
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 Left-wing economic illiterate
 screws up on unemployment


 By Gerard Jackson
 No. 122,   7-13 June 1999

 Without a shadow of a doubt intellectual standards have collapsed at
 Murdoch's Australian. They were never much to write about in years
 gone by but now they are "truly appalling". (The editor-in-chief,
 David Armstrong, complained to me in a rather arrogant letter that he
 considered my use of the term "truly appalling" to be an "extravagant
 violence of the language". No wonder standards are lousy.) What
 brought this on was the usual left-wing garbage that has come to
 dominate the Focus section of the paper, especially since the
 socialist-minded Rosemary Neill1 became its editor. This time it was
 the equally socialist-minded Anne Mann who, like Neill, has absolutely
 nothing of value to say on the subject of economics. Unfortunately,
 neither common sense nor economic illiteracy has stopped them from
 writing economic inanities.

 This week (5/6) Mann was drawing outrageous comparisons with the
 plight of today's unemployed with those during the Great Depression.
 She then continued with the nonsense that unemployment in areas like
 Greater Dandenong are the result of restructuring. Now every economy
 is in a continuous state of restructuring, by which I mean companies
 are always altering production and investment in response to changes
 in demand, taxes, interest rates, technology, prices, consumer
 preferences, etc. Countries that don't do this end up as poverty
 ridden slag heaps. That changes in production brings about changes in
 the pattern of employment should go without saying, except when your
 dealing with the likes of Mann. But where markets are allowed to clear
 large scale unemployment does not emerge.2 In short, unemployment does
 not become a problem.

 What Mann describe was persistent widespread unemployment. This is
 always caused by the over pricing of labour. (This is an economic fact
 that the Focus section has never published, though it has published
 plenty of anti-market rubbish.) Our unemployment problem, therefore,
 has nothing to do with "winners" grabbing it all, Miss Mann, but with
 unions successfully sabotaging the labour markets. In support of her
 ignorant claims she wheeled out Professor Gregory who seems to have
 made a profession out of denying the existence of economic laws.3
 Though Gregory refuses to condemn job-destroying union practices he
 has never actually said sound economics is wrong about the cause of
 widespread unemployment  he just chooses to ignore it. To put it
 bluntly, Gregory has been discredited. Despite this, or perhaps
 because of it, left-wing journalists still refer to him as an
 authority.

 Mann complained about the fall in full-time work and the rise in
 casual work. In an economy where labour is overpriced not only does
 'permanent' unemployment emerge but so does suboptimal employment in
 the form of casual work. In other words, over-pricing labour forces
 much of it into less favourable employment. Yet instead of damning the
 unions for this she mouths of about so-called "restructuring". America
 has 4.3 per cent unemployment with only 16 per cent in casual
 employment. Moreover, America's participation rate is about 76 per
 cent compared with our 65 per cent. Imagine our official unemployment
 rate if our participation rate rose to the American level. Are these
 facts referred to? Not on your life. The last thing left-wingers like
 Mann want to do is draw attention to America's employment record. God
 forbid we had an informed debate on the subject.

 She complains that low-paid entry jobs for the poor are drying up and
 this is caused (you guessed it) by "restructuring". These jobs have
 not dried up as such. They have been priced out of existence. Young
 people are not being hired because the value of their services is
 lower than the cost of hiring them. To support her contention she
 referred to Bob Birrell from Monash University who made the absurd
 claim that entry level jobs into the labour markets demand higher
 skills, hence there is a mismatch between skills and jobs. Utter
 claptrap. Once again, it only appears this way because low-paid entry
 jobs have been destroyed by the kind of anti-social wage-fixing
 policies that the likes of Mann, Gregory, Birrell, etc, support.
 Moreover, the thought that mismatches between available skills and the
 demand for labor could cause persistent widespread unemployment is
 completely absurd.

 She finished, not unexpectedly, with praise for Kim Beazley, leader of
 the Australian labor Party and a strong supporter of the policies that
 have created so much unemployment.

 Regardless of what the mindless Miss Mann says, this is not a "winner
 takes all" society. Only left-wing dipsticks come out with that kind
 of

[CTRL] Whose Turn To Pay?

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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Excuse my respectfully muffled laughter ...


From TheIndependent(UK)


 PicturePicture: UK NEWS

 PictureThe Balkans Truce - MoD and Treasury row over who pays

 By Andrew Grice, Political Editor





 A dispute has broken out between the Defence Ministry and the Treasury
 over who should pick up the bill for Britain's military operations
 during the Kosovo crisis.

 George Robertson, Defence Secretary, says his stretched budget should
 be given a special top-up from the Treasury's £1.2bn "reserve kitty"
 to fund its work in the Balkans. But the Treasury insists the MoD
 meets a significant part of the spending from its own resources. So
 far the only costs disclosed by the Government are £40m for
 humanitarian relief and £37m for military operations. However, these
 figures exclude the cost of bombs dropped during the 10-week air
 campaign, which is expected to take the MoD's bill to more than £200m.


 Ministers say the military spending already incurred will be "peanuts"
 compared to the amounts Britain will have to contribute towards the
 cost of rebuilding the Balkans. The European Commission has estimated
 reconstruction costs at up to £3.9bn a year for five years. EU leaders
 are divided over whether the money should come from the EU's existing
 funds or whether member-states should make top-up payments.

 The Government may ask other countries to meet a higher share of the
 burden than Britain, on grounds that its 13,000 troops being sent to
 the region will play the leading role in enforcing the peace
 settlement accepted by President Milosevic last week.

 The long-term presence of British servicemen in Kosovo will fuel the
 row between the the MoD and the Treasury. A Treasury source dismissed
 the MoD's request for its extra costs to be met from the Government's
 reserve fund as "a try-on". He added: "If the armed services are not
 there to fight a war, what are they there for? It is misleading to
 suggest that all the costs incurred are extra."

 The Treasury is also unsympathetic to Mr Robertson's bid because, it
 claims, the MoD rejected its advice by refusing to set up a reserve
 kitty within its £22.3bn-a-year budget. The war in the Balkans also
 threatens to provoke a long-term battle over the level of defence
 spending. MoD officials believe they will need a bigger budget for
 Britain to play its part in Nato's role as a "world policeman".

 But Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, believes there is scope to secure a
 further "peace dividend" following the end of the Cold War. He sought
 £2bn of defence cuts during last year's strategic defence review, but
 had to settle for £500m after Tony Blair backed Mr Robertson.

 Yesterday Mr Blair hinted that he might side with his Chancellor in
 the battle over the cost of military operations in Kosovo. Asked on
 BBC TV's Breakfast with Frost programme whether the Treasury would
 foot the bill, Mr Blair replied: "Not necessarily".

 The Prime Minister insisted that the Government did not yet know how
 much it had spent during the Kosovo crisis. He said countries such as
 Macedonia, Albania, Romania and Bulgaria would would also need
 financial aid. "It is worth making that investment rather than coming
 back again and having to spend billions on fighting another conflict
 because we haven't given them the proper chance to rebuild
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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: violence study

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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New study of entertainment industry
attacks consumers' right to choose

WASHINGTON, DC -- A new federal commission that will study
whether entertainment companies market violence to children is a case of
"intimidation by bureaucrats" and almost certainly won't accomplish
anything useful, the Libertarian Party said today.

"America already has a mechanism to protect children against
violent entertainment: It's called parents," said Steve Dasbach, the
Libertarian Party's national director. "It's unlikely that a handful of
bureaucrats will be as effective as tens of millions of concerned
parents."

This week, President Bill Clinton announced that the federal
government will spend $1 million to study the marketing strategies of
movie, music, and video game companies.

The study, launched in the wake of the Columbine High School
massacre and growing national concern about violence and children, will be
conducted by the Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department. The
commission will have the power to issue subpoenas, and will study whether
entertainment companies "improperly" market violent materials to children.

But while concern about the effects of violent entertainment on
children is legitimate, spending tax dollars so bureaucrats can "study"
the issue isn't, said Dasbach.

"This is a case of the government targeting an unpopular
industry, and using intimidation by bureaucrats to put the squeeze on the
First Amendment," he said. "These studies -- and the threat of federal
regulation -- are what elitist politicians do when ordinary people don't
behave like politicians think they should.

"Remember, Americans already have complete control over the
content of video games, movies, and music: If they don't like it, they
don't buy it. And if they think it's not appropriate for their children,
they don't buy it for their children.

"The fact that Americans spent $5.5 billion on video games and
$6.9 billion on movie tickets last year suggests that they are happy with
what the entertainment industry is providing. This commission of
Washington, DC insiders may pretend they are investigating the
entertainment industry, but they're really targeting consumers and their
freedom to choose."

Libertarians also assume the study won't accomplish anything
useful, said Dasbach.

"Whatever recommendations the commission makes probably won't be
effective -- and may even make the problem worse," he predicted.

For example, he noted, after the federal government mandated a
prime-time TV ratings system in 1997, sexual content on the major networks
jumped by 42% and offensive language shot up by 30%.

Ironically, some experts suggested the ratings themselves were to
blame for the increase in sex, violence, and cursing. For example, Brent
Bozell, chairman of the Parents Television Council, said that networks
"would insert edgier content into their shows and justify insertions by
pointing out that attached ratings warned the audience it was coming."

"Usually when the government gets involved, the problem seems to
get worse," noted Dasbach. "If you think entertainment is violent now,
just wait until federal bureaucrats get their hands on it."

And Libertarians have one final question about the study, said
Dasbach: Why is Bill Clinton, the nation's most aggressive purveyor of
real death, violence, and destruction, launching a study of fictionalized
violence?

"Are we Libertarians the only ones to notice the irony here?" he
asked. "Bill Clinton, with his bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, caused
children to be blown to bits in hospitals, blasted old people in
retirement homes, massacred motorists on a busy bridge, rained missiles on
refugee families, killed innocent Chinese civilians in their embassy, and
cut off electricity to hospitals and schools.

"And talk about marketing violence: Clinton has 'sold' this war in
speeches, via film clips of missile strikes and smart bomb attacks,
saturation coverage on CNN, and through the massive, tax-funded PR machine
of the federal government.

"For Bill Clinton -- a man with the

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: KN4M 06-06-99

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan






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Dear friends,

I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated on
this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The
material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact
material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close
links to big business.

The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is a
sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false idea
but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's genocide of
the Jewish people.

 I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the
material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more than
possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only warning
them and the list in general about the original source of much of this
material:

A member of this list, Javier, (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posted on 26 May 1999
a message (title - Fw: .nettime Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an
apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to
take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His post
consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we have
chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be
protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit.

Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is
quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight is
published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key figure
Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any major
anti-fascist organisation.

Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest List'
While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the
world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair, etc, it
also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear that
the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers of such a
Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors, billiionaire Warren
Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong way round,
one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written next to it and
King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with the comment in
brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to believe that this is
an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world domination drawn
up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have inside information, then
we need to ask several questions.

Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like Warren
Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left- of -centre
Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to rule the
world?

Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this list,
and virtually no academics from any other countries?

Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives  from top multinationals who
are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the non-Jewish
heads of these businesses?

Andreas Rockstein of the J18 list answered my call for more info by directing
me to the website www.bilderberg.org. When you go there you will see it is
part of a large site run by Tony Gosling, who is apparently a former British
Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) man now into alternative Christianity. He has
much material re the 'Bilderberg Conference' on his site. At a quick glance I
noticed  he states himself that many of the sources of his list of info links
on 'Bilderberg' are nazi sources, but warns us not to dismiss their
authenticity of their information for that reason. He refers to questions
being raised in the British Parliament demanding the truth re this
Conference. In fact the MP who raised the question, according to his own
quoted material, is Nicholas Winterton, a far-right Tory MP, well-known for
his extremely racist attitude to Black people.

Other material there is from Norris McWhirter, a far-right political figure
with very extensive links to big business. There is also a link

[CTRL] New world order and E.L.F. psychotronic tyranny

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
http://www.totse.com/files/FA012/elfnwo.htm
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New world order and E.L.F. psychotronic tyranny


NEW WORLD ORDER E.L.F. PSYCHOTRONIC TYRANNY
By: C.B. Baker YOUTH ACTION NEWSLETTER ISSUED DECEMBER 1994
In his September 21, 1992 speech to the United Nations, President George
Bush announced that foreign troops, would occupy America and train for a
New World Order Army. He stated:

"Nations should develop and train military units for possible U.N.
peacekeeping operations. ... If multinational units are to work
together, they must train together. ... Effective multinational action
will also require coordinated command  control and inter-operability of
both equipment and communications."

"...WE MUST CHANGE OUR NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS if we are to change our
international relations. ... THE UNITED STATES IS PREPARING TO MAKE
AVAILABLE OUR BASES AND FACILITIES FOR MULTI-NATION TRAINING AND FIELD
EXERCISES. One such base, with facilities is Fort Dix, N.J."

President Bill Clinton has continued and expanded George Bush's
surrender-America policy. As a result, increasing numbers of foreign
troops, including Russian Spetsnaz, along with vast amounts of foreign
military equipment are now entering the United States to serve as a U.N.
OCCUPATION force.

On May 3, 1994, President Clinton signed an Executive Order Presidential
Decision Directive (originally numbered PPD-13, later changed to PPD-25)
that places U.S. troops under U.N. command and abolished the law
limiting the number of U.S. troops that can be committed to the U.N.
without approval of Congress.

PPD-25 also created special funding for U.N. peacekeeping and occupation
forces, that permits an UNLIMITED drain upon the U.S. Treasury. American
Tax payers will be forced to pay any amount demanded by the U.N.
occupation forces.

The Judas attitude of the Administration is symbolized in an article
written by Bill Clinton's very close friend, Deputy Secretary of State
Strobe Talbott, titled: "The Birth of the Global Nation." Talbott
strongly attacked American national sovereignty, stating: "NATIONAL AS
WE KNOW IT WILL BE OBSOLETE: ALL STATES WILL RECOGNIZE A SINGLE, GLOBAL"
(666) "AUTHORITY," (7\20/92 Time Magazine).

Acting under U.N. occupation orders, U.S. military and national guard
forces are now being trained to attack civilians in this country. In
Alaska, contingents of Russian military OCCUPATION FORCES are reported
to have already landed. State and Federal forces, have begun
house-to-house surveys, looking for gun collectors and checking
attitudes for possible patriotic resistance.

A number of citizens have already been illegally detained. The 10\14\94
WASHINGTON TIMES reported that U.S. Marines in California had to fill
out a "Combat Arms Survey" that asked 39 questions about attitude to
determine if AMERICAN MARINES WERE WILLING TO SERVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER
TRAITORS AND FIGHT AGAINST THEIR OWN FELLOW CITIZENS.


Marines were asked to give their attitudes on the treason statement: "I
am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which
maintain world peace and EVERY Nation's way of life. I am prepared to
give my life in their service." The last item on the survey asked the
Marines' attitude about the statement: "I WOULD FIRE UPON U.S. CITIZENS,
WHO REFUSED OR RESIST CONFISCATION OF FIREARMS BANNED BY THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT."

As more Russian and United Nations occupation troops enter the United
States, the White House is expecting strong resistance from loyal
Americans. To QUIETLY suppress these patriotic fighters, President
Clinton is getting help from the old Soviet KGB.

Moscow is now supplying Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno with a
whole new class of weapons, that will be specifically TARGETED AGAINST
AMERICAN CIVILIANS.

The controlled U.S. media has labeled these so-called "NON-LETHAL
WEAPONS." A close inspection of the facts about these new anti-civilian
devices, reveals that they are SOVIET PSYCHOTRONIC WEAPONS, which are
very dangerous and they can also be extremely lethal. The 3\1\93 issue
of Time Magazine reported: "American and Russians are discovering common
interest...MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY. Former KGB General George Kotov has
told American visitors about Russian (KGB) research into 'acoustic
psycho-correction.' The process involves transmitting commands into the
subconscious of targeted victims through static or white-noise bands.

The Jan. 11-17, 1993 issue of DEFENSE NEWS reported that U.S. political
and military officials are obtaining Soviet mind-control technology. The
Soviet KGB "capability, demonstrated in a series of laboratory
experiments dating back to the mid-1970's, could be used to suppress
riots, CONTROL DISSIDENTS, demoralize or disable opposing forces and
enhance the performance of friendly special operations teams, sources
say."

"Pioneered by the government-funded Department

Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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Excuse me guys, aren't we being a bit blase and insulting to a guy that
believes he has had a hard time - then was implanted.
Not with breasts - like pamela anderson but with material science and law
can establish as prejudical to a normal life.
Whatever it may be claimed that implants do or do not do, there are very
substantial problems recorded from being so victimised.
You people seem to continue the pattern of victimisation with your mocking.

Andrew Hennessey

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Re: [CTRL] CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR

1999-06-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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In the week that Pat Robertson was cut off by the Bank of Scotland for
calling Scotland a Dark Land controlled by homosexuals, the youth fashion
store called TOP MAN in Edinburgh, Scotlands Capital sports two male window
dummies wearing skirts ... is this some mistake I wonder - then I see that
these swish numbers are the latest male fashion called 'Sarongs'.
The kids don't know 'whats a wrong from a wright'.
Teletubbies and gay camp are all over TV teaching the next generation of
children how not to breed.
Now before you call me homophobic - I have many friends who are gay and
they are all brilliant well balanced special people, but,
There is something insidious about current television programming, from
soaps to documentaries targetting the young aimed at directly interfering
with gender choices and life choices in the UK.
British television is so consumed with bias towards a Gay state of being
that it appears to abandon the joys of being anything else.

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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 6, 1999

1999-06-06 Thread CobolMage


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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
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   ROBERTSON TO NET UP TO $50 MILLION AS BANK OF SCOTLAND
  DEAL COLLAPSES
   Televangelist May Face Pressure At Laura Ashley

A planned financial deal between the Bank of Scotland and Christian
Coalition founder Pat Robertson collapsed on Friday, as bank officials
announced that they were withdrawing from the proposed joint venture
due to remarks the televangelist made concerning gays, ethnic
minorities and other groups.

Robertson and the BOS had agreed to enter into an electronic banking
enterprise which financial sources described as "worth billions of
dollars."  But in recent weeks, as word of Robertson's background
spread, human rights, religious and other groups pressured the bank to
sever its ties with the controversial American preacher.  Events
reached the breaking point last week following remarks Robertson made
on his "700 Club" television show claiming that Scotland was a "dark
place" overrun by powerful homosexuals.

Word of the pending collapse of the Robertson-BOS arrangement began
percolating through financial circles and the media early last week.
On Friday, Bank of Scotland's chief executive, Peter Burt held a
meeting with Robertson and his representatives in Boston.  Most
reports suggest that the bank had decided to dissolve its deal with
Robertson on Tuesday night, amidst growing threats of customer
withdrawals and a drop in the bank's stock exchange performance.

After a six hour conference, the Bank issued a brief statement on
Saturday noting, "Dr.  Pat Robertson and Peter Burt, following a
meeting in Boston yesterday (Friday), agreed that the changed external
circumstances made the proposed joint venture between Robertson
Financial Services (RFS) and Bank of Scotland unfeasible...In reaching
this agreement Dr.  Robertson expressed regret that media comments
about him had made it impossible to proceed."

As of Sunday afternoon, there has been official statement from
Robertson.

But while critics say that Bank of Scotland must now begin repairing
its tarnished image resulting from the failed deal, there is new
controversy over how much money Robertson may recoup.  The Observer
newspaper of Britain reports in this morning's edition, "The bank must
pay Robertson more than 10 million (Pounds -- about $16 million) for
calling off the deal to set up a US telephone banking network..."  It
is believed that Robertson invested somewhere around $12,500,000 for a
25% share of the action.  The Daily Telegraph newspaper mentions a
higher figure, though, of "up to" 30 millions pounds, or roughly $48
million, but seems to be basing that number on what it projected as a
substantially higher investment by Robertson.  CNN is reporting that
the Bank of Scotland "would buy out Robertson's stake in the venture,
believed to be worth about $50 million," adding that "Bank officials
would not discuss details of the agreement."

A figure of between $9 million and $16 million is reported by the
London Sunday Times, while the latest BBC postings do not give a
specific figure.

Whatever the compensation Robertson might receive, though, opponents
saw their campaign to end the BOS meet with resounding success.  The
Scottish Trade Union Congress had threatened to switch the business of
its 100,000 member-strong organization who use a bank affinity card.
Other human rights and advocacy groups, including the Lothian Council,
were contemplating similar action; and already, the bank had lost an
estimated 400 to 500 smaller individual accounts in protest of its
association with Pat Robertson.


Assessing the deal, an anonymous Bank official told CNN, "our marriage
was short and unhappy."  Tim Hopkins of the Equality network, a human
rights group based in Edinburgh, remarked, "It's very, very
unfortunate that he (Robertson) is ending up pocketing 18 million
(Pounds) which he can now use to promote his politics -- although
better that than 25% of future profits.  He added that Bank of
Scotland must now rebuild its reputation with the community, adding,
"It seems it was OK to badmouth minorities, but what made the
difference to the bank was when Robertson started attacking Scotland."

In covering this latest phase of the Robertson-BOS deal, The Observer
newspaper repeated its allegation that the bank

Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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Jesus Christ Andy, a little levity never hurt anyone


Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

1999-06-06 Thread M.A. Johnson


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A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there
is no more effective way to limit thought than to
control the language itself.  By changing definitions
of words through continual association, any serious
discussion involving the concepts that the words
represents becomes hopelessly muddled.
The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately
comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread M.A. Johnson


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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander
 Spooner, Thomas Sowell with frequency, the connection
 with libertarianism is rather obvious, isn't it?

MJ:
These persons are liberals and possibly libertarians in
the loose sense but certainly NOT Libertarians.

This does NOT change *my* words into theirs nor is it logically
acceptable to make attempts at such.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy
 are NOT shaped by libertarian thought?

MJ:
Actually moreso by 'trial and error', examination, reasoning
and looking at reality.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for
your erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how
tolerant you are of individuals who do not share your
philosophical perspective.


ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
Argumentum ad Hominem is literally "argument directed at
the man".
The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when,
instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion,
the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion.
This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not
depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Examine your statement below: because I disagree with you,
I am characterized by you as being afraid of "liberty,
freedom and equality."  But you also go further: presumably,
by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave,"
and benefit from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack
on me
MJ:
Actually, pointing at reality.
If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
trying on shoes for fit).

(snipped for brevity)
 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
 I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.  I see your use of
 ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
 most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
 the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.


Regard$,
 --MJ

There are mighty few people who think what they think they
think.  -- Robert Henri

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread M.A. Johnson


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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Adam Smith recognized that there were some services which
the "free market" cannot provide for citizens.
MJ:
What has Adam Smith to do with anything?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Please clarify your position.  Are you against All taxes?
MJ:
No.

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
   You would like to abolish the government altogether..or
   just eliminate those programs that you think are forms
   of "stealing"?
MJ:
No government, Anarchy, would tend toward endless gang warfare.
I do NOT wish to abolish government.



William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Since "government theft" seems to be an integral concept
in your philosophy, please expand on this.  Just exactly
what do you mean.
MJ:
Government theft is an integral part of reality.
My philosophy is built upon the subjagation of might to the
individual's RIGHT to his OWN life (natural rights).  I
favor/affirm/support/endorse liberty, freedom and equality.


Regard$,
--MJ

no snappy quote so as to avoid confusion

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread M.A. Johnson


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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 A man or woman's character is meaningless in America.  It
 is the possession of wealth that matters.  Of course, you
 or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
 part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the basis
 of material possessions: the clothes one wears, the car one
 drives, the house one lives in.
MJ:
Fallacy of ad hoc, gross generalization and wild ass guess.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
WHy do I believe that?   Well, I've lived in California,
Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington and North
Dakota. In my own experience, it is money that talks,
bullshit that walks.
MJ:
Fallacy of anecdotal evidence.



William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who
  work hard, struggle against incredible odds to provide for
  their families, and in this country, they go unrecognized
  and unrewarded.  Do you think Americans care about these
  honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
  Not really.

  No.  Americans are interested in and fascinated by those
  who possess wealth... and as a society, we encourage our
  children to "get up there" by whatever means necessary,
  so that they won't have to know the day-to-day indignities
  of what it's like to be poor.

  To be poor and without property in a society that worships
  property and possessions means that your life is at the
  disposal of others.  So, if you lack property, and your
  mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell whatever you
  can to survive.  Well, what can be sold?  Talents, skills,
  labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson.  In Thailand,
  poor moms and dads sell their female children to brothels.
MJ:
Nice emotive speech, but what has it to do with reality?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in
 order to survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that
 the majority of those who sell themselves are VERY interested
 in doing anything and everything to make their masters happy.

 Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
 have, become less important in the struggle for survival.

 Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
 all social classes.  Remember the success of the Godfather
 movie?  The line between criminal and legal behavior is a
 fine one... many saw the Corleone family as
heroesmisunderstood
 entrepeneurs who were only supplying people with what they want.

 And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought
 and sold in the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold
 by those who DO have the money.  The transformation of human
 beings into things bothers me... SOmehow, I don't find it
 inspiring.

  Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
  nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about
  reducing human beings down to the level of objects.  And
  there is something fundamentally wrong about a society that
  values money more than they value the wellbeing of their own
  children.

  I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the
  poor and the problems of poor children, we would change our
  priorities.  But that's not likely, is it?

MJ:
Not certain where you are driving this bus ... call me stupid, but
can you reduce this diatrible into a two or three sentence assertion?

Regard$,
--MJ

I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and
yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish
to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his
back.  -- Leo Tolstoy

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: KN4M 06-06-99]

1999-06-06 Thread Dr Byron Weeks


Another NAZI hoax, the Bilderberg Conference:



Please send as far and wide as possible.

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Index

FeedBack: Bilderberg Guest List

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THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY

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Thanks to Robin Ramsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of Lobster Magazine for
the following.


Dear friends,

I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated on
this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The
material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact
material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close
links to big business.

The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is a
sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false idea
but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's genocide of
the Jewish people.

 I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the
material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more than
possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only warning
them and the list in general about the original source of much of this
material:

A member of this list, Javier, (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posted on 26 May 1999
a message (title - Fw: .nettime Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an
apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to
take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His post
consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we have
chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be
protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit.

Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is
quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight is
published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key figure
Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any major
anti-fascist organisation.

Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest List'
While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the
world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair, etc, it
also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear that
the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers of such a
Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors, billiionaire Warren
Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong way round,
one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written next to it and
King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with the comment in
brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to believe that this is
an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world domination drawn
up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have inside information, then
we need to ask several questions.

Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like Warren
Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left- of -centre
Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to rule the
world?

Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this list,
and virtually no academics from any other countries?

Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives  from top multinationals who
are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the non-Jewish
heads of these businesses?

Andreas Rockstein of the J18 list answered my call for more info by directing
me to the website www.bilderberg.org. When you go there you will see it is
part of a large site run by Tony Gosling, who is apparently a former British
Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) man now into alternative Christianity. He has
much material re the 'Bilderberg Conference' on his site. At a quick glance I
noticed  he states himself that many of the sources of his list of info links
on 'Bilderberg' are nazi sources, but warns us not to dismiss their
authenticity of their information for that reason. He refers to questions
being raised in the British Parliament demanding the truth re this
Conference. In fact the MP who raised the question, according to his own
quoted material, is Nicholas Winterton, a far-right Tory MP, well-known for
his extremely racist attitude to Black people.

Other material there is from Norris McWhirter, a far-right political figure
with very extensive

Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.

1999-06-06 Thread nurev


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6/6/99

No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there
always
remains the deadly constants.

1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes
concentration
of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and
exploitation
of society.

2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the
planet
can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth.

3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist
can
steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other.

4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money.

5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is
wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists.

Joshua2
=
"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:

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 New York Times
 June 5, 1999

 Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thunder
 By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN

  Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns,
  thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand
  of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices
  and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed
  every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more
  than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of
  individuals into serving the social good.

  Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University,
  wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth.
  But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow.
  Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of
  competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of
  collaboration among rivals.

  Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas
  into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold
  rise in the living standards of American families over the last 100
  years, he says in a new manuscript. Baumol's contribution is not to
  emphasize the impact of innovation but to pinpoint how competition
  forces companies to make innovation routine, much as marketing and
  advertising are.

  In Baumol's analysis, capitalism emerges as a system that hums
  because it has figured out how to make innovation humdrum.

  Baumol shows how companies pour money not only into their own
  research and development but also into such operations by their
  rivals. Yes, their rivals. Firms participate in joint ventures that
  hire teams of researchers to develop technologies that the firms
  will share. They also engage in the largely unrecognized practice
  by which companies enter into technology-sharing compacts. Under
  these compacts, a company like IBM writes contracts with
  competitors, like Hitachi. The companies promise to license future
  innovations to each other for a set fee. That way, if Hitachi comes
  up with a spiffy next-generation disk drive, IBM is guaranteed the
  right to incorporate Hitachi's new drive in its own computers.

  It might seem odd for an economist like Baumol to herald
  collaboration among potential competitors. By jumping into the arms
  of rivals, companies appear to dull their incentive to innovate on
  their own. After all, if they can imitate rivals, why bother to
  innovate on one's own?

  To understand Baumol's point, put yourself in the place of IBM. You
  could try to piggyback off Hitachi's innovations, dismissing your
  own engineers. But that strategy would collapse. At the very least,
  you would be dishing out hundreds of millions of dollars each year
  to rivals without getting anything in return. Worse, Hitachi would
  soon drop the agreements, because they make sense only if it
  expects to get about as many new products from IBM as it provides
  to IBM.

  Nor would it make economic sense to beef up your investment in
  innovations without entering technology-sharing contracts. If four
  or five of your major rivals share innovations among themselves,
  then they will generate lots of ideas, drowning out the efforts of
  your one research department. And anything you don't figure out on
  your own will be offered to consumers by all your rivals. You
  simply cannot afford to bear that risk. The compacts eliminate the
  threat that a misstep in the technology race will drive you out of
  business. Besides, Baumol says, the compacts generate licensing
  fees that have become "a substantial business activity in itself."

  Baumol's analysis makes a bigger point, far beyond the benefits and
  costs to individual companies. Technology-sharing contracts also
  help the economy -- that is to say

Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 6/6/99 8:58:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 6/6/99

 No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there
 always
 remains the deadly constants.

 1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes
 concentration
 of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and
 exploitation
 of society.

 2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the
 planet
 can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth.

 3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist
 can
 steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other.

 4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money.

 5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is
 wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists.

 Joshua2 



 A wonderfully refreshing, and oh so true, take on Capitalism...
 Thanks for the TRUTH!!!



 Bill.

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[CTRL] [1] The Ohio Gang

1999-06-06 Thread Kris Millegan


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An excerpt from:
The Ohio Gang
Charles L. Mee, Jr.©1981
M. Evans and Company, Inc.
216 East 49th Street
New York, New York 10017
ISBN 0-87131-340-5
218 pps  out-of-print/one edition
--[1]--
I.

The Handshake

IN MIDWEEK, THE last week of May 1921, Jess Smith stood talking to another
man just off Times Square, in the Astor Hotel lobby next to the entrance to
the American Indian dining room with its crossed spears, peace pipe,
snowshoes, horned headdress of a Tlingit chief, buffalo head, moose head. He
was forty-eight years old, tall and pigeon-toed, with a florid complexion,
heavy lips, black mustache, and loose, floppy cheeks, and he carried his head
slightly down, accenting his double chin, as he peered out the tops of his
round, owlish spectacles with shifty hazel eyes.

He was partial to diamond rings, although his favorite ring was one set with
two large rubles and a number of small diamonds. He liked to dress in
matching combinations: gray hat, gray tie flecked with lavender, gray gloves,
gray tweed suit, gray silk socks, and a gray handkerchief with handwoven gray
and lavender threads around the edges. One of his most memorable ensembles
was a white linen suit with a purple hatband, purple necktie, purple breast
pocket handkerchief, and purple silk socks.

When he talked, he sputtered, spraying any near him with saliva, so that
those who had no kind feeling for him resorted to the obvious joke behind his
back, "Here comes Jess. Get out your umbrella."

Before he entered a room, he would fix his tie, pull his vest down smartly,
set his cuffs just so, pat down his hair. He was a timid man; tears came to
his eyes easily; and he was terribly frightened of firearms.

He had been born in a small town, Washington Court House, Ohio, about thirty
miles south of Columbus. His father, a clerk in a dry goods store, died when
he was three years old, and his mother married again-both of her husbands
were named Smith-to a man who was elected sheriff of Fayette County at a time
when sheriffs legally pocketed their fees along with whatever else came their
way. As a child, Jess was never short of cash.

When he graduated from high school, a classmate described him this way: "He
is a great sport, takes in all the shows, goes to all the hops, and is a
ladies' man in general." After working as an apprentice for several years in
a dry goods store, he was set up in his own business by his family, and he
became known as the town's Beau Brummell, and no social occasion was felt to
be complete-no dance, dinner, or christening- until Jess had arrived in his
raiment. Women were said to be especially fond of him. He enjoyed fussing
over the right choice of clothes for his clients, and he loved gossip.

When he was in his mid-thirties, he fell in love with Roxy Stinson, the
beautiful, tall, redheaded, and thrillingly volatile daughter of Mrs. Eldora
Stinson, a widow who had moved to town to set up a conservatory of music on
the floor above Jess's dry goods store. In time, Jess married Roxy, to the
dismay of Jess's mother, who had to move out to a room in the Cherry Hotel on
Main Street. After a year and a half-mostly, it was said, because of the
trouble Jess's mother made, perhaps because Jess was impotent. Jess and Roxy
were divorced. Jess's mother moved back in with her son; and Jess and Roxy
resumed their friendship.

In the lobby of the Astor Hotel, Jess turned to greet William Orr and another
man who followed behind him. Orr, a slim, welldressed man in his late
thirties, former midwestern newspaperman, former city editor of the New York
Tribune, and former private secretary to Charles Whitman, the Republican
governor of New York, had fallen on hard times when the Democrats took over
New York with Al Smith. At the moment, he was between political appointments.

Orr introduced Jess to John Gorini of the Alps Drug Company, a pharmaceutical
establishment in Hell's Kitchen. With the recent passage of the Prohibition
laws, drug companies were required to obtain special permits in order to buy
alcohol for medicinal purposes. Gorini had applied for a permit to the
Prohibition director in New York to buy five hundred cases of liquor. For
some reason he had been turned down. Then a man unknown to him, a theatrical
agent, had phoned to suggest he get in touch with Bill Orr.

And so Bill Orr introduced Gorini to Jess Smith. They did not speak to one
another in the hotel lobby. No money passed between them. They shook hands,
Jess returned to his conversation, and the others went their way.

=

II.

The Little Green
House on K Street


ACCORDING TO THE butler, Jess Smith called two or three times a week at the
greenstone Victorian townhouse, with the little magnolia bush in the front
yard, on K Street in Washington. When Smith arrived, he would go directly to
a room where he could confer privately with Howard Mannington, a political
acquaintance from Columbus, Ohio.

Mannington, who had handled some of the smaller

Re: [CTRL] Armed to the Teeth, and Free

1999-06-06 Thread nurev


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6/6/99

You can't point to the Swiss and Israelis for any comparison.
Neither of those countries is comprised of Americans. They both
have homogenous cultures with a more or less sane citizenry.

If the US were made up of Swiss, I would never consider banning
guns.

But we are not. The comparisons are irrelevant.

Joshua2
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Gavin Phillips wrote:

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 fwd Gavin

  Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:41:17 -0700
  From: Forest Glen Durland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Safe Guns
  
  June 4, 1999
  
  Armed to the Teeth, and Free
  
  By Stephen P. Halbrook, an attorney in Fairfax, Virginia,
  and author of "Target Switzerland."
  
  In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban
  "assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill
  Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns
  cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males
  are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them
  at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley
  responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull."
  For those who think that target shooting is more fun than
  golf, however, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or
  train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf
  courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in
  town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in
  restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and
  young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over
  their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right
  past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in
  the U.S., and a SWAT Team might do you in.)
  Tourists--especially those from Japan, where guns are banned
  to all but the police--think it's a revolution. But shooting
  is the national sport, and the backbone of the national
  defense as well. More per capita firepower exists in
  Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is
  one of the safest places to be.
  According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm
  Regulation, England's 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9%
  involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000
  population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0
  (70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per
  100,000. England has strict gun control laws, ergo, the
  homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. However, such
  comparisons can be dangerous: In 1900, when England had no
  gun controls, the homicide rate was only 1.0 per 100,000.
  Moreover, using data through 1996, the U.S. Department of
  Justice study "Crime and Justice" concluded that in England
  the robbery rate was 1.4 times higher, the assault rate was
  2.3 times higher, and the burglary rate was 1.7 times higher
  than in the U.S. This suggests that lawfully armed citizens
  in the U.S. deter such crimes. Only the murder and rape
  rates in the U.S. were higher than in England. The small
  number of violent predators who commit most of these crimes
  in the U.S. have little trouble arming themselves
  unlawfully.
  The U.N. study omits mention of Switzerland, which is awash
  in guns and has substantially lower murder and robbery rates
  than England, where most guns are banned.
  Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office
  reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and
  102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of
  these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its
  population of seven million (including 1.2 million
  foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per
  100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted
  robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a
  robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes
  were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call
  "criminal tourists."
  Sometimes, the data sound too good to be true. In 1993, not
  a single armed robbery was reported in Geneva.
  No one seems to be looking at the Swiss example in the U.S.,
  however. Congress is stampeding to pass additional firearm
  restrictions in response to the events of April 20, when two
  students used guns and bombs to murder a dozen classmates
  and a teacher in Littleton, Colorado. Yet in 1996, a man who
  legally owned guns under England's strict regulations went
  on a rampage, murdering 16 children and a teacher in
  Dunblane, Scotland. Parliament then banned all handguns and
  most rifles.
  But there have been no school massacres in Switzerland,
  where guns and kids mix freely. At shooting matches,
  bicycles aplenty are parked outside. Inside the firing
  shelter, the competitors pay 12-year-olds tips to keep
  score. The 16-year-olds shoot rifles with men and women of
  all ages. In fact, the tourist brochure "Zurich News"
  recommends September's Knabenschiessen (boy's shooting
  contest) as a must-see: "The oldest Zurich tradition . . .
  consists

[CTRL] Chat with AC Clarke

1999-06-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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From www.secularhumanism.org


 Picture

 God, Science, and Delusion

 A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke

 by Matt Cherry


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 The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 19, Number
 2.


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 Arthur C. Clarke is known across the world for his books, television
 programs, and movies. Free Inquiry Deputy Editor Matt Cherry visited
 the science fiction author, who is a member of the International
 Academy of Humanism, in Sri Lanka, the beautiful tropical island that
 has been Clarke's home for nearly four decades. His house, in the
 capitol of Columbo, is filled with spectacular wall-sized NASA photos,
 reminiscent of some of the shots in his film 2001: A Space Odyssey. In
 the personal study where he was interviewed, Clarke was surrounded by
 books and signed photos-ranging from actress Elizabeth Taylor to
 astronaut Buzz Aldrin-that reflect Clarke's prominent roles in the
 very different worlds of science and entertainment. He talked to Free
 Inquiry about mankind, morality, and religion.


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 --


 Free Inquiry: This is a rare opportunity. Thanks for talking with us.

 Arthur C. Clarke: Rare indeed. My agent will probably shoot me for
 granting this interview. I turn down interviews all the time, but for
 Free Inquiry, I'm happy to make an exception.

 FI: Our readers have some familiarity with your views and in
 particular your very strong emphasis on the use of science in
 understanding the natural world. But could you say something about
 your views on moral issues?

 Clarke: One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has
 been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and
 morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is
 really very simple and doesn't require religion at all. It's this:
 "Don't do unto anybody else what you wouldn't like to be done to you."
 It seems to me that that's all there is to it.

 The other issue is, why can't humans live up to this principle? Why is
 it that people can't act as human beings should? I'm appalled by what
 we all see on the news every day-massacres, atrocities, injustices,
 outrages of all kinds. When I see what's happening, I sometimes wonder
 if the human race deserves to survive.

 FI: In recent years a lot of ethical issues have arisen from advances
 in technology, as they have, for example, in cloning.

 Clarke: Yes, and such issues will continue to arise at an increasing
 pace. They will challenge all of us - but especially those who hold
 rigid moral outlooks like those found in most religions.

 By the way, I was - in a strange way - involved in a cloning project.
 There was a project afoot to send me into outer space along with a lot
 of other people. Not the whole me, though - just a hair from my head,
 while I still had some. It was quite a serious project by a company
 that launched a lot of spacecraft. The idea was that maybe in a
 hundred million years or so, an advanced civilization would find this
 little space capsule containing my hair, an Arthur C. Clarke would be
 cloned from it, and I would thus pop up in another galaxy in the
 distant future. Interesting thought.

 FI: Yes, but perhaps a little disturbing.

 Clarke: Well, it's better than the Celestes Project, in which you have
 to be dead before your ashes are sent into space.

 FI: You have written a great deal about possible technologies of the
 future. For example, you're well known for thinking up the idea of
 geostationary orbit. But as we look into the next century or even the
 next millennium, what do you see as the big technological changes that
 are likely to alter the direction of the human species or will present
 major new dilemmas or problems to the human race?

 Clarke: I think most of the major changes will be biological,
 involving advances in DNA research and technologies, among other
 things. But there's also potentially revolutionary research going on
 in the physical sciences. The thing that I'm most interested in at the
 moment is the so-called Infinite Energy solution - the possibility of
 finding new ways of tapping into virtually limitless sources of
 energy. It's been about ten years since cold fusion was touted and
 then laughed at. But since then there's been a groundswell of
 scientific opinion and lots of experimentation suggesting that maybe
 there's something important going on, that maybe we can solve our
 energy needs once and for all. This field is subject to hype and
 disappointment, yet I'm seeing evidence now that hints that we may be
 on the verge of an energy breakthrough.

 This would cause a total transformation of our society, an end of the
 fossil-fuel age and all the geopolitical implications of that. No more
 worry about global warming; now we start

Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread Amelia Edgeman


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Thank you, Andrew.  I am sorry Steve.  Saw the Pamela article and was
replying to Bill's comment.  I meant nothing in relation to your hardship.
I find myself attempting to jest at the unfunny often these days.  It helps
keep from crying sometimes.  Things are so unbelievably messed up in so many
areas the burden becomes unbearable.  Some of us cope by using humor.  This
was in poor taste in this instance.  Mia culpa!
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Implants


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 Excuse me guys, aren't we being a bit blase and insulting to a guy that
 believes he has had a hard time - then was implanted.
 Not with breasts - like pamela anderson but with material science and law
 can establish as prejudical to a normal life.
 Whatever it may be claimed that implants do or do not do, there are very
 substantial problems recorded from being so victimised.
 You people seem to continue the pattern of victimisation with your
mocking.

 Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] dioxin in European food last 4 months...

1999-06-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury


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 UNDERNEWS - edited by Sam Smith
 June 4, 1999

 ECO NOTES

 THE GUARDIAN:  The European food industry was in turmoil
 last night, with stores clearing thousands of products from
 their shelves as the list of potentially contaminated
 foodstuffs seemed to grow almost by the hour.  The crisis
 that began in Belgium over the weekend was spreading rapidly
 across other countries as the Belgian authorities revealed
 that animal feed contaminated with carcinogenic dioxins
 might have been fed to cattle as well as pigs and chickens.

 The likelihood emerged that millions of consumers across the
 continent -- and perhaps some in Britain -- had been eating
 contaminated food for the past four months as European
 commission officials admitted they could not exclude the
 possibility that other animal species or dairy products had
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[CTRL] Gov'ts run anonymous remailers

1999-06-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury


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 Viktor Mayer-Schoenberger of the Austrian Institute for
 Legal Policy reports that during a symposium at the Harvard
 Law School, representatives of the National Defense
 University and Science Application International Corporation
 said that a number of Internet anonymous remailers in the US
 are run by government agencies scanning traffic.  SAIC's
 William Marlowe said that the government runs at least a
 dozen remailers and that the most popular remailers in
 France and Germany are also run by government agencies.

 They also said that the NSA has successfully developed
 systems to break encrypted messages below 1000 bit of key
 length and strongly suggested to use at least 1024 bit keys.
 They said that they themselves use 1024 bit keys.





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[CTRL] The Third Way: Stealth Fascism

1999-06-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury


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 from:  http://www.zolatimes.com/v2.34/Blair.html


 Tony Blair's Neo-Fascist Third Way

 by Wolf De Voon

 British prime minister Tony Blair likes government, and
 positively heaves with enthusiasm for the future of democracy.
 Well he should.  Tony Blair is the best thing that happened to
 British socialism since the invention of income tax.

 I suppose I should be grateful to have a worthy opponent.
 Blair's recently-published political manifesto, The Third Way:
 New Politics for the New Century, digs fresh ground and
 convincingly defends the indefensible.  It is an outstanding
 achievement in rhetoric.  He makes the welfare state seem
 reasonable and sane, positively essential to modern society.
 Coming from me, that's high praise.

 Blair gets top marks for historical creativity and truly
 breathtaking contradictions.  "The Third Way," he explains,
 "is founded on the values which have guided progressive
 politics for more than a century -- democracy, liberty,
 justice, mutual obligation and internationalism... The Third
 Way is not an attempt to split the difference between Right
 and Left.  It is about traditional values in a changed world...
 [Margaret Thatcher] asserted the primacy of individual liberty
 in the market economy; [Karl Marx] promoted social justice with
 the state as its main agent.  There is no necessary conflict
 between the two, accepting as we do that state power is one
 means to achieve our goals, but not the only one and
 emphatically not an end in itself."  ...Wow!

 Blair's values are bulletproof:  "The new constitution of the
 Labour Party commits us to seek the widest possible spread of
 wealth, power and opportunity... The rights we enjoy reflect
 the duties we owe; rights and opportunity without
 responsibility are engines of selfishness and greed."

 It could be an ordinary share-the-wealth scam.  But here comes
 the Blair sledgehammer, with universal obedience and obligation
 at the base of his Third Way:  "We need to shape modern
 institutions of work, and the institutions in which children
 are brought up, on the basis of enduring values -- justice for
 all, responsibility from all."  Every business decision will be
 scrutinized by government; parents will be 'policed' by state
 inspectors, to determine if they are raising their children
 properly.

 Agriculture and industry are verboten in the Blair Economy.
 "Services, knowledge, skills and small enterprises are its
 cornerstones," he cautions.  "Most of its output cannot be
 weighed, touched or measured."  (This is a politically-specific
 warning shot, fired at the wallets of trade unionists and three
 million metal bashers who voted for New Labour and are no
 longer economically or demographically important to the New
 Labour regime.  Workers of the world, prepare for retirement!)
 If Blair's view of the economy sounds a little screwloose,
 here's the party line on wealth-creation:

 "We all depend on collective goods for our independence, and
 all our lives are enriched or impoverished by the communities
 to which we belong... [F]reedom for the many requires strong
 government... Government intervention is necessary to protect
 the weak..."

 Blair's Third Way agenda has the raw growl of fascism:
 state control of everyone and everything.

 "Strong communities depend on shared values and a recognition
 of the rights and duties of citizenship -- not just the duty to
 pay taxes and obey the law, but the obligation to bring up
 children as competent, responsible citizens, and to support
 those -- such as teachers -- who are employed by the state in
 the task.  In the past we have tended to take such duties for
 granted.  But where they are neglected, we should not hestitate
 to encourage and even enforce them... In all areas, monitoring
 and inspection are playing a key role, as an incentive to
 higher standards and as a means of determining appropriate
 levels of intervention... The Government will have powers to
 intervene where performance indicators or inspectors' reports
 show that there is a serious or persistent failure in the
 delivery of services."

 Ostensibly, this is being done to make the trains run on time
 and to salvage the byzantine superstructure of Britain's
 government health care monopoly, the NHS, Europe's largest
 employer.  To her everlasting shame, Mrs Thatcher lacked the
 courage to dismantle this medical monstrosity, doubling her NHS
 budget instead of calling a socialist sewer a sewer.  Immune
 from competition and tort law, the NHS continues to neglect and
 butcher helpless patients, driving competent doctors and nurses
 from practice, widening the deeply-entrenched English "brain
 drain" that Tony Blair proposes to slam shut by adding another
 layer of inept supervisors, regulators, inspectors and
 informers.  It is irrelevant that government officials and
 the Royal Family are treated by an elite cadre of private
 physicians in private hospitals.  Hypocrisy is the

[CTRL] Mena Deaths on Railroad Tracks Won't Go Away.

1999-06-06 Thread Gavin Phillips


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There has been so much blood spilt and carnage wrought to untold numbers of
people's lives because of Bill Clinton it boggles the mind to even try to
comprehend it all. Below, another two innocent victims. Gavin.


http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm


 From: "W.G.E.N." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: "Brian A. Cavallo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: "Obstruction of Justice" Mena, Arkansas
 
 Folks,
 
 Remember the video "Obstruction of Justice"?  The parents of the two slain
 teenagers were sued by the perpetrators in the local and county
 governments.  The suit is now coming to trial.  The surviving parents
 and the owner of Jeremiah Films and author of the Clinton Chronicles Pat
 Matrisciana (sp?), must generate $50,000 for the continuation of the trial.

 
 Send whatever you can; a five or a single will help but send something.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Brian
 
 From: "Harold M. Hume, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I hope that you will take the time to read this 'forward'.  If anyone is
 interested in viewing the video tapes mentioned, I will gladly loan them
 and others that support the exposure of the corruption mentioned below.
 It seems that only the little folks, supporting each other, in this type
 of investigation can overcome the corruption that exists in our country
today.
 
 hmh
 
 The "train deaths"
 http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm
 
 UPDATE: 6-1-99
 
 A PLEA FOR FUNDING
 http://www.idmedia.com/plea-for-funding.htm
 
 by Jean Duffey
 
 This is a difficult update for me to write. It is
 a plea for money to support our federal law suit
 that is going to trial the first week in August.
 We have been able to finance our website and
 support a continued investigation of the murders
 of Kevin and Don with donations from supporters
 and with proceeds from the sale of our video
 "Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection" (we
 receive 2% of the sales). When the funds are
 short, we cover the expenses personally. We are
 adamantly opposed to making one penny profit from
 anything associated with the story. There is
 almost nothing we dread more than having to ask
 for money, but we are financially in our most
 desperate hour. We are $50,000 short of financing
 the upcoming trial.
 
 The expose below is a recap of the events which
 have brought us to the brink of realizing justice
 for Kevin and Don. A year after the release of
 "Obstruction," Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane sued our
 video's producer,(1) Pat Matrisciana, for naming
 them as suspects in the murders. Linda and I
 welcomed the suit as an opportunity to put
 evidence into public record and get the facts
 before a jury. After depositions last summer, each
 party filed motions for summary judgment and
 argued several points of law. We flew over that
 hurdle with a ruling from the judge in our favor
 on every point of law. The last hurdle is the jury
 trial which is scheduled to begin on August 2. We
 are absolutely confident in our case and look
 forward to presenting our evidence to the jurors.
 
 Our only obstacle is financing. Pat has run out of
 money and does not have the last $50,000. A mere
 $50,000 - not very much compared to the hundreds
 of thousands of dollars raised for Paula Jones and
 Bill Clinton and the millions spent by Kenneth
 Starr. The amount seems even more insignificant
 when compared to what a favorable ruling will
 accomplish. Not only will we realize some measure
 of justice for Kevin and Don, the Mena cover-up
 will unravel.
 
 Please help us realize the most important
 opportunity for justice in the nearly twelve years
 since Kevin and Don were murdered to protect a
 government-sanctioned drug operation. Mainstream
 media is perpetuating the cover-up,(2) and if we
 have to default for lack of money, they will never
 let us recover. On the other hand, if we can get
 through the trial, they will not be able to ignore
 the findings of a federal judge and jury.
 
 Please don't think that a small contribution of $5
 or $10 won't be appreciated. The truth is, we'd
 rather have $5 from 10,000 supporters than $50,000
 from one. E-mailing and faxing I.C. Smith and
 Paula Casey has made a difference, telling others
 about our website has strengthened our support,
 and keeping us in your prayers has given us heart.
 Now, what I have always considered to be the least
 important factor in our purpose - money - has
 become the most important factor.
 
 Please help if you possibly can. Make checks
 payable to the The Kevin Ives Civil Justice
 Foundation(3) and mail to:
 
 The Kevin Ives Civil Justice Foundation
 28 Bradley
 Bryant, AR. 72022
 
 RECAPPING TWELVE YEARS
 
 August 23, 1987, the parents of Kevin Ives, 17,
 and Don Henry, 16, learned their sons were dead.
 They had been run over by a train. Too mutilated
 to be embalmed, their gathered-up body parts were
 put into a body bag, sprinkled with a preserver,
 and laid in a casket.
 
 Getting through the funerals was all the parents
 could manage. It was at least

[CTRL] The Media's Role in Federal Government

1999-06-06 Thread Gavin Phillips


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http://www.idmedia.com/mediacoverup.htm

The Media's Role in Federal Government
Cover-ups
By Jean Duffey
Most Americans, regardless of their political persuasion, have an abiding
distrust for our federal government. We know our national leaders lie to us,
but we feel helpless to do anything about it. Forthright investigators are
discredited for trying to reveal the truth, (See Investigators, Bill Duncan
and Russell Welch) and whistle-blowers are punished, while
"team-players" are rewarded. We hear about shredded or lost documents,
but no one is held accountable. We are weary of Congressional hearings
that tip-toe around the real issues or go into closed-door sessions in the
name of "national security." Our federal government has too much power,
and we have none. Worse still, we are in a Catch-22 situation - power
corrupts and we bestow that power via the polls.
Not too many years ago, news reporters seemed to do a better job of
holding our leaders accountable. Our Constitutional right (and protection)
of "freedom of the press" still exists, but it doesn't seem to be doing much
for us lately. That's because our federal government controls the press. Oh
please - not another conspiracy theory!
I truly hate to suggest a conspiracy explanation of anything. Mainstream
Americans generally won't buy it, and mainstream media's favorite
sarcastic topic for editorials, at least in Arkansas, is "conspiracy nuts."
(Arkansas Democrat-Gazette's Editorials "This week's conspiracy
theory" and "Conspiracies behind every rock") So, imagine how vicious the
suggestion of a conspiracy might be attacked by the media if they are
accused of being involved themselves. However, I'm going to stick to this
conspiracy theory, but bear with me - I will qualify the role of the media.
I think every American can accept as fact that our federal government is
engaged in a deliberate and calculated cover-up of information. Federal
officials, appointed and elected, have many secrets. Some secrets may be
kept legitimately for purposes of national security, but some secrets are
nothing more than a cover-up of the dirty deals and illegal activities of our
officials. This is where the conspiracy begins - with dirty officials
protecting
themselves and other dirty officials, which expands to officials protecting
their cronies for favors, which expands to staff members who are
rewarded for their loyalty. This web of protection and deceit is next to
impossible to escape. Those who have tried to expose it are handily
discredited or even destroyed, because the government is in charge of
investigating the government.
At one time, the media was supportive of a legitimate whistle-blower but
not these days. That's because they're part of the conspiracy, and here is
how I want to qualify that accusation. There are different levels of
culpability, and I don't believe the media deliberately participates in the
conspiracy. They are, however, negligent and maybe even reckless. So,
am I saying media reporters, editors, and producers/publishers are
ignorant? No, I'm saying they're lazy. So, am I accusing them of being
unethical? Absolutely.
My notion revolves around the media's acceptance of the government's
"official" position on a subject. Once a government agency has taken an
"official" position, mainstream media, especially network news, will not
challenge it. This is not just an observation, it is an unwritten policy
confirmed by several seasoned reporters. The deaf, dumb, and blind
acceptance of an "official" press release from the government fits very
nicely into the American way of life - do as little as is necessary to get
that
paycheck. Put in your eight-hour day, but no longer without compensation.
Exert enough effort to keep the boss off your back, and, by all means,
don't make waves.
My brother very eloquently describes today's method of reporting as the
three R's - rip, read, and write. The government takes advantage of this
three R's method by employing their own news writers to feed the lazy
media. There are a reported 10,000-plus federal employees who are
responsible for inundating the media with press releases. Just think about
that for a minute and try to iminage how many press releases are being sent
every day to every major news media source in the world. All a reporter
has to do is rip a news release off his fax, and he's got his article for the
day. And the real beauty of it is, he doesn't even have to verify the
information or its source. It doesn't matter if the information is inaccurate
or
even a bald-faced lie - it's an "official" statement from the government, so
the reporter's butt is covered.
On the other hand, what happens if an ambitious reporter wants to
investigate the dubious subject of a government news release? He (or she)
enters the game with three strikes against him. Strike one: The rest of the
media has already given the government's "official" position credibility by
reporting it as factual. Strike two:

Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread Sno0wl


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On 4 Jun 99, , M.A. wrote:

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 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
   There's always a certain percentage of the population that
   is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological
   reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc.

 MJ:
 Does this provide them with a 'special right' to steal from others
 or have their agent do so for them?  As to 'healthcare' ... getting
 the government OUT of all facets will reduce the costs to 5-10%
 of current ... restrict Government to its Constitutional limitations
 and one effectively doubles their income ... this provides MORE
 resources which go farther to those who would prefer to spend other
 people's money on their pet causes -- in other words, this allows
 people to put THEIR money where their mouth is.

What you're not talking about is corruption---corruption in the insurance industry,
corruption in the medical industry (at the top levels of the AMA). These guys are so
powerful that everyone does "get out of their way," thus enabling them to take the
lion's share and leave a pittance for real "health care." All the monies for health 
care
are already in richly lined private pockets. It is corruption in government that 
allows this
sick situation to continue. If it got any "freer", actual doctors and hospitals would 
get
absolutely zilch and the insurance guys and the very top of the medical profession
would laugh all the way to the bank while all the rest of us died in the streets. 
Actually,
this is already happening. The insurance companies--to keep their profits high--are
closing down and "merging" one hospital after another. Your tax dollars are going into
the pockets of these guys...not to pay for health care for the poor. Get real.


sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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 Thank you, Andrew.  I am sorry Steve.  Saw the Pamela article and was
 replying to Bill's comment.  I meant nothing in relation to your hardship.
 I find myself attempting to jest at the unfunny often these days.  It helps
 keep from crying sometimes.  Things are so unbelievably messed up in so many
 areas the burden becomes unbearable.  Some of us cope by using humor.  This
 was in poor taste in this instance.  Mia culpa! 


 Actually Amelia, methinks you were wrong to apologize...nothing at all wrong
in trying to be "light".
 At least I don't think that there is...Plus, and let us be honest, do you
REALLY think people are walking around with "implants" in them??? Bah!

 Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread William Hugh Tunstall


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Why do you feel the need to play these little, crappy rhetorical games?

Come on,
MJ.  Stop hiding behind your little one-liners and snippets.

What do you really believe in... ? What makes your spirit soar?

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

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 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  A man or woman's character is meaningless in America.  It
  is the possession of wealth that matters.  Of course, you
  or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
  part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the basis
  of material possessions: the clothes one wears, the car one
  drives, the house one lives in.
 MJ:
 Fallacy of ad hoc, gross generalization and wild ass guess.


 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 WHy do I believe that?   Well, I've lived in California,
 Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington and North
 Dakota. In my own experience, it is money that talks,
 bullshit that walks.
 MJ:
 Fallacy of anecdotal evidence.



 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
   There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who
   work hard, struggle against incredible odds to provide for
   their families, and in this country, they go unrecognized
   and unrewarded.  Do you think Americans care about these
   honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
   Not really.

   No.  Americans are interested in and fascinated by those
   who possess wealth... and as a society, we encourage our
   children to "get up there" by whatever means necessary,
   so that they won't have to know the day-to-day indignities
   of what it's like to be poor.

   To be poor and without property in a society that worships
   property and possessions means that your life is at the
   disposal of others.  So, if you lack property, and your
   mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell whatever you
   can to survive.  Well, what can be sold?  Talents, skills,
   labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson.  In Thailand,
   poor moms and dads sell their female children to brothels.
 MJ:
 Nice emotive speech, but what has it to do with reality?


 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in
  order to survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that
  the majority of those who sell themselves are VERY interested
  in doing anything and everything to make their masters happy.

  Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
  have, become less important in the struggle for survival.

  Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
  all social classes.  Remember the success of the Godfather
  movie?  The line between criminal and legal behavior is a
  fine one... many saw the Corleone family as
 heroesmisunderstood
  entrepeneurs who were only supplying people with what they want.

  And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought
  and sold in the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold
  by those who DO have the money.  The transformation of human
  beings into things bothers me... SOmehow, I don't find it
  inspiring.

   Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
   nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about
   reducing human beings down to the level of objects.  And
   there is something fundamentally wrong about a society that
   values money more than they value the wellbeing of their own
   children.

   I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the
   poor and the problems of poor children, we would change our
   priorities.  But that's not likely, is it?

 MJ:
 Not certain where you are driving this bus ... call me stupid, but
 can you reduce this diatrible into a two or three sentence assertion?

 Regard$,
 --MJ

 I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and
 yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish
 to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his
 back.  -- Leo Tolstoy

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Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

1999-06-06 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 6/6/99 11:20:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
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 Please link the Sowell quote below to "SA-social conditions."


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  is no more effective way to limit thought than to
  control the language itself.  By changing definitions
  of words through continual association, any serious
  discussion involving the concepts that the words
  represents becomes hopelessly muddled.
  The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately
  comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell 


 Sounds like Noam Chomsky to me!

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-06 Thread William Hugh Tunstall


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Of course, MJ, Bastiat and company cannot be classified as "libertarians."
However, all of them are often used BY libertarians to support their
philosophy...their writings provide excellent snippets and blurbs for
their missives. I can't remember ever hearing anyone mention Lysander
Spooner BEFORE the libertarian movement became popular. But you are NOT a
libertarian.  Thanks for the clarification.

Sorry.  Your post DOES represent an attack on me (to the person).

You set up the following.  Individuals who believe that
governments have the right to collect taxes for social welfare programs
are engaged in an act of theft. ("theft" "rape" "stealing"--strong
pejorative terms).  Unstated assumption of your statement:
William agrees with the government's right to collect taxes to be used for
social welfare programs (spending which you disapprove of); therefore
William supports theft.





On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

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 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander
  Spooner, Thomas Sowell with frequency, the connection
  with libertarianism is rather obvious, isn't it?

 MJ:
 These persons are liberals and possibly libertarians in
 the loose sense but certainly NOT Libertarians.

 This does NOT change *my* words into theirs nor is it logically
 acceptable to make attempts at such.


 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy
  are NOT shaped by libertarian thought?

 MJ:
 Actually moreso by 'trial and error', examination, reasoning
 and looking at reality.


 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for
 your erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how
 tolerant you are of individuals who do not share your
 philosophical perspective.


 ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
 Argumentum ad Hominem is literally "argument directed at
 the man".
 The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when,
 instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion,
 the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion.
 This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not
 depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.


 William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Examine your statement below: because I disagree with you,
 I am characterized by you as being afraid of "liberty,
 freedom and equality."  But you also go further: presumably,
 by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
 classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave,"
 and benefit from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack
 on me
 MJ:
 Actually, pointing at reality.
 If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
 the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
 trying on shoes for fit).

 (snipped for brevity)
  On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
  I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.  I see your use of
  ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
  most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
  the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.


 Regard$,
  --MJ

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[CTRL] NASA - KING OF TERROR?

1999-06-06 Thread DIG alfred webre


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On August 11, 1999, the last solar eclipse of this century occurs,
and a growing movement of groups and individuals will be
participating in a World Meditation Day during the eclipse, and
during the events of the week that follows.  World Meditation Day is
for engendering world peace and harmony in our conflicted human
society.  Some of the factors underlying World Meditation Day are
now emerging.  Here we share parts of this breaking story.

Informed researchers have suggested to us that the Cassini
spaceprobe, scheduled to flyby Earth orbit on August 18, 1999
may in fact be a strategic deception operation, PsyOps in military
parlance.  Here we explore this possibility to flush out any shred of
truth in it.

In traditional hermeneutics, events are interpreted to fit the patterns
of pre-cognitive prophecies.  In PsyOps, or strategic deception, the
patterns of prophecies are used to create future events.  The same
masonic understandings that hermeneutics uses to interpret
prophecy are used by PsyOps to create prophetic events which
use human religious and cultural archetypes to impose fear and
control.

So lets explore [without attempting to prove] the hypothesis that
the Cassini probe, designed to flyby Earth on August 18, 1999,
may actually be intentional PsyOps (Strategic deception
operation), masquerading both as a civilian spaceprobe.  In
PsyOps mode, the Cassini spacecraft becomes a nuclear weapon
carrying 72 pounds of plutonium, and designed plausibly to fit
various prophetic archetypes of traditional prophecy such as
Nostradamus, Garabandal, Fatima, and the Aztec End-cycle
prophecies.

The seer Nostradamus [Michel de Notredame, 1503-1566] tells us
in his quatrains:
Century 10, Quatrain 72

Francais:
L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un gran Roy d'effrayeur.
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.

English:
The year 1999, seventh month,   [August, under modern calendar]
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.

The research issue is not whether Cassini is the King of Terror
coming from the sky in August 1999, as predicted by
Nostradamus.  The PsyOps issue is whether Nostradamus
quatrains were used to design a strategic deception operation,
whose strategic cover would be those very quatrains.

In other words, from its very inception, the Cassini mission may
have been designed as PsyOps around the specifications of the
Nostradamus quatrains, and other prophetic and celestial events.
Its purpose?  If Cassini is a plutonium bomb, its purpose could be
to weaken or decimate human civilization, terminate or injure a
large portion of the population, and impose the New World Order
 a global mind-control totalitarian regime run by elites and others.
This operation, if true, is our first global coup.  Suggestively,
although more advanced solar panels were available for the Cassini
mission, the US military overrode this option, insisting on the more
dangerous and obsolete plutonium device.

But Cassini could be just a legitimate space probe, yet launched
as PsyOps to flyby Earth around the fateful Solar eclipse.  Its
purpose? Masonic control, and feeding on the fear generated in
mankind. It might be thought that timing the Cassini mission
around the celestial configurations of the Grand Cross and Solar
Eclipse of August 11, 1999, a cosmic slingshot effect to the
PsyOps destruction. So much more to facilitate the goal of a New
World Order (NWO), by generating fear in humanity at a very
potent juncture.

An historical precedent for a PsyOps operation of this scale lies in
the devastation of the Aztec civilization by Cortez.  It differs in
detail, but has essential similarities. By Aztec prophecy, Cortez
arrived in 1519 with 100 or so soldiers at Veracruz in the very year
and day the Aztecs prophesized Quetzalcoatl  the God-Man
Plumed Serpent - would return.  By PsyOps use of the
Quetzalcoatl symbolism, Cortez small group was able to vanquish
a vast empire in a short time.  Similarly, the masquerade of Cassini
as Nostradamus King of Terror , and an emblem of Gods wrath
and mans sin(tra) in the Garabandal and Fatima prophecies give
this PsyOps masonic power far beyond that of a conventional
space accident.

The threat from outer space has been a consistent theme of
NWO leaders to justify a world order. Ronald Reagan, and NWO
stalwart, even delivered a speech at the United Nations to this
effect.  The common reference to this outer space threat is
extraterrestrials.  Yet wouldnt a Cassini plutonium disaster fit the
bill?

We have not as yet reached a conclusion as to the truth of the
hypothesis, but there is an unusual mounting of events suggesting
some momentous, globally coordinated NWO events are
underway.

NWO researchers tell us that the secret masonic networks that

[CTRL] Fwd: Gloomy Sunday Folklore

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


Am forwarding a song, that was written in 1936...I remembered my mothre
telling me of this song - she had two degrees and psychology was her
major, etc.

Since I was only five or so, stuff like this always scared me; we were
raised on classical music, and nothing such as this type of music would
ever be permitted; nor would books, which then probably were not too
bad, but everything was almost censored before it hit our house.

Now Littleton - drugs, music, etc., but primarily drugs did play a major
role in the murders - plus destroyed the lives of two kids, who does not
fit the assassin type.
Under the influence of drugs, kids can lose complete control, suffer
from amnesia and do acts in a different state of mindthis Mafia
stuff, is bad enough; that plus I think that whole community is
sick.

This song, the suicide song - I remember hearing it sung once, my mothr
played it and told me the story; as a teacher too, she guarded us
against any outside influences which she thought improper.
Over 100 individuals committed suicide and this song was blamed...my
guess would be those so doing, were under the influece of the drugs of
the day or alcoholics.

Now - why is this song brought back after over 60 years.  Obviously an
experiment.
Consider this Alec Baldwin on TV, stating somebody should be killed
(forget who); and then, this Spike Lee, or whatever his name was calling
for the murder of Charleton Hestonjust a joke, of course...now
consider Sirhan Sirhan all doped up engaged in self hypnosis and over
and over againRFK must die...over and over

Right now there are so many sick songs out there - and this horrible
Manson, even taking a name such as thathe wants kids to murder, and
he will be their leader.  Charles Jesus Manson, a masonic individual,
knew all the secrets - well not all, but a lot of them through the
organized crime elementhe induced his followers to commit murder for
him, and this is exactly what these horrible rock stars, such as this
Manson - this is what they are trying to do.

Music if a powerful weapon; it is used in psychological warefare and as
a control; even King David when young, played his harp to sooth the
savage beast in SaulSaul, did not know, he was being programmed into
a kinder, mor gentle prson through David's music.

Kids hear this music and do not even know what they are hearing
sometimes; satanic stuff played backwordshidden
messagessubliminal - even a painting can have a similar effect.
Throw in pornography, which I hope those poor kids had not been
into...but why, is this suicide song brought back.

I remembered its name last night - Gloomy Sunday...and the music is
morbid...throughout the web, you find suicide music and songs of
deathwith the use of drugs, kids who are suffering from depression
on drugs, and other drugs where kids lost self control and loss of their
own will, the drugs and music can result in murder.

Why are these horrible animals - these killers bringing back this song
along with others much worseand this Alec Baldwin was only kidding,
when he virtually gave the order, as did this Spike Lee, to kill/

This added with the manchurian candidate, or kids in behavior
modification under drugswith the wrong teacher - th experimentee and
experimentorswhy doesn't someone who really knows about this stuff
get after it.

The kids are programmed killers, just like Oswald, Sirhanand even
James Earl Ray, was caught with books on self hypnosishow did they
get this Hinkley to attempto to assassinat Reaganwhat triggred him
off...the movie Taxi"if you do not..I will kill the
President".kids too get into bibles and under drugs, can rceive a
command to kill or execute, perform the deed, and not remember it.
K-9 Dogs.attack...if you can train a dog to kill with one
wordwell, kids are smarter than dogs, but under drugs - hypotic
drugs, if pushed far enough, they will when the bell rings, respond as
one of Pavlov's dogs.

I am also going to send one more item, and I hope someone understands
what I am saying.  I am so tired tonight, I sometimes get lost in
wordsbut the truth is heresomeone ought to really go after that
bunch (maybe I will).

Colleen

Let me nkow whwat you think on this.




http://falco.kuci.uci.edu/~justin/gloomy_sunday/folklore.html

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #4

1999-06-06 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990606d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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: No inferior demons were exalted during the production of this bulletin.
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@ Voyager Newsletter #5. The 'International UFO Network' and BUFORA's disin-
tegration. 'Flying Saucer' mythology. 'Cigar-shaped' object paced airplane
for 10 minutes. New 'Bentwaters' evidence featured on ParaNet radio program.
'Bentwaters'  Cash-Landrum case. 'Triangular UFO' mystery partly solved.
USAF patches. Roswell  'impressive parchment' debris.  UFO Research List.
http://x36.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=484406308.1CONTEXT=928724019.1371799632

: Are you part of a UFO coverup? Have you issued any disinformation on UFOs
lately? Are your masters happy with your work? Do they reward you well?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Flesh and chips. Cyborgs have feelings too. When California neurosurgeon
Gary Heit activated one of the implants he had just put into a human brain,
the man burst into tears. Heit's patient at Stanford U. neurosurgery clinic
was crying because, for the first time in 15 years, he was able to button up
his own shirt. Silicon technology and biological material - hard wiring and
soft flesh - can now be combined, but so far, the results have remained
unmistakably human. http://www.sn.apc.org/wmail/issues/990514/NEWS51.html

: What's your favorite implant? Do you prefer implants in brain, ears, eyes,
nerves, muscles, intestines? Do you want to be a borg? Want a wireless body?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Farmer destroys GM crops. A farmer has destroyed one of the UK's first
large-scale trials of gend-modified crops after coming under pressure from
his trustees. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_362000/362848.stm

: Do you prefer genetically-modified foods? Are all foods GM, one way or
another? Are you? Were you modified by evolution, deities, aliens, CIA/KGB?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Study suggests sea temperatures are volatile. BOSTON (AP) - Studies of
the chemistry of crustacean shells suggest that oceanic temperatures can
fluctuate dramatically in shorter times than once believed. Such work is
helping to establish a norm against which to judge contemporary changes. "Is
there a threshold beyond which we kick the system - and it can't come back?"
http://www.nando.net/healthscience/story/0,1080,57023-91086-639204-0,00.html

: What ecosystems would you like to kick-over into instability, or terminal
stasis? Do you want to end life on Earth, on other planets, in the galaxy?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Depleted uranium: a soldier's experience. As debate continues over Nato's
use in Kosovo of depleted uranium munitions, one US Gulf veteran has
recalled his experiences eight years ago. 'You're trashed with uranium'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_362000/362543.stm

# Also: Depleted uranium: the lingering poison:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_362000/362484.stm
# Depleted uranium 'low risk' for Gulf veterans:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_299000/299540.stm

@ Links: Military Toxics Project: http://www.miltoxproj.org/
@ UK MOD on Gulf War Illnesses: http://www.mod.uk/policy/gvi/index.htm
@ Gulf War Illness: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq.html
@ Depleted uranium: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

: What radioactive debris do you like to inhale? Do you have a glowing feel-
ing inside? Does inhaling uranium dust interfere with your alien implants?
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SkeptiLinks:

@ Info on Area 51, Aurora, Bob Lazar: www.geocities.com/area51/shuttle/5499
@ N.W.O. E.L.F. PSYCHOTRONIC TYRANNY: www.totse.com/files/FA012/elfnwo.htm
@ "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View": www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/
@ Hollow Planets: http://www.magiclink.net/~stevew/hollow/hollow.html
@ "Captain Clerk's Museum of the Future": http://www.compu-web.com
@ We're watching you at SpOOk Central: http://www.watchingyou.com

@ Total War: http://www.huntowm.com/ip.html
@ Reagan  War Crimes: www.consortiumnews.com/060399a.html
# The Media's Role in Federal Government Cover-ups:
  http://www.idmedia.com/mediacoverup.htm
# World not heading for a war of civilisations:
  http://www.bday.co.za/99/0205/comment/e7.htm

@ Telepathy: How to do it. The science of it. Real life, vital applications:
  http://ambassadorformankind.org/ri-bulletins/telepathy.htm
@ Joan of Arc (1430, France) betrayed by the being L. Ron Hubbard:
  http://ambassadorformankind.org/unframed/ri-464i.htm

# Lawyers, Guns, Money to Dominate as Congress Returns:
  http://cnn.com/US/9906/06/congress.returns.ap/index.html

@ India's Population Time Bomb:
  http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/kurtz_19_2.html
@ When We "Hit The Wall":
  http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/brown_19_2.html
@ Hitler Was _Not_ An Atheist:

[CTRL] Fwd: ...innocent unknowing...

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


Okayhere is the suicide song Gloomy Sunday revised as of
latelook and read some of these horrible songs, and this is a
sample.

These kids they say loved Hitler; that is a lot of crap; they thought
they were getting them, before they got it.the one child was Jewish,
in a school with kids some of whom were overweight, wearing pierced
earings and nose rings, and eye rings; some of the kids looked
sick...mentally, something was wrong - I believe there was some kind of
indoctrination going on, and Gore and Clinton knew itand that is why
during the period of mourning, at the memorial service, the kids gave
Clinton the Mojo.and that, was sick.   Even the staff of the school
did not seem to be normal.

Sowhy the need to bring back the Suicide Song...and is just what
some of these kids do under the drugs like Kamakazee pilots...who were
often drugged and just as the old Assassins were drugged, and induced to
commit murder.

Read this crap; and ask why would anyone bring back that song..it
wass written in 1936 and even the author of the song, committed suicide.

Thanks.Colleen




http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~mel/music/sarahm/lyrics/lyrics.html

Re: [CTRL] NASA - KING OF TERROR?

1999-06-06 Thread Colleen Jones


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You know my brother-in-law,now dead, was the Thor Chief served in
England  seven years as he had to communicate allover world, setting up
BMEWS, and Missile sites, etc..his son is now with NASA and hopes to
be a College Professor, is his dream.

You also had the Apollo, the
Gemini..you have stuff now messing with the sun, where it has
something to do with flaresweather modification satellites that can
burn out a town, if they want with magnifying devisesI picked that
stuff up on my own, and secrets are secrets.

All those old Titans are obsolete as are the BMEWSthey were never
used and we have stuff now much worse, without a doubtby the time
they design and build a plane, it is obsolete...]

But the bible is full of astrologyin the Song of Solomon, you have
the Twins, Gemini, Castor and Pollux symbols; in Acts19 you have Apollo,
the craft that came to naughtyou have all the gods Mercury and
Jupiter, which were also known as Paul and Barnabas (St. Paul)and
when some of the old space crafts were sent upwell, they had to be
sent up at a precise momentand if Jesus Christ is about to descend
once again, his three days are up  he will descend when the stars in
the heaven are in the same spot they were in 2000 years  ag0...in a
sense, he travels on a star, and believe me he did not come through the
ozone with feathered wings of angelsthese are space craftand in
the space of time, as mentioned in the Actsalways the space of
timeI believe are the secrets to travel in the universe from the
image which fell from Jupiter, the the Godess Diana (the despised
huntress)...all the ancient gods from Apollo to Jupiter, they are all
thre.

Nostradamus, well when the world did not end in 1666 to avoid being
killed no doubt by his followers, he turned the numbers upside down, and
said 1999that is the ear, and that old propagandists curses and
worses have been used by spies for years to plant demoralizing
propagandaor good propaganda, depending on whose side you are on.

Somewhere, out therethere is a spacecraft, and someday it will
land.or, are we the ones who will ascend, rather than
descendremembr what Jesus said when they asked him how he would
return to his fatherand he said, the same way I got down here.

Fiat.

Colleen  Like your stuff.

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: How many...?

1999-06-06 Thread Ric Carter


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 Hey guys. How many angels dance on the head of a pin???
 Inquiring minds want to know.
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Measure an angel's arse.  Measure a pinhead.  Divide A into B.
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