[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1

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# Skull of alien-human hybrid found? Forensic scientists have reconstructed
a child's face from an ancient Mexican skull which some researchers claim
could have been an alien-human hybrid. The StarChild's haunting features,
eerily like the huge-eyed aliens described after UFO abduction cases, are
online at http://www.AlienUFOart.com/Forensicfaces.htm  The misshapen skull
is believed to belong to a girl of 5 or 6, whose bones were found with her
mother's in a mineshaft south of Chihuahua, Mexico, around 1925. Eeeerie:
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/06/02/timintint01016.html?999

: Have you mated with aliens lately? Did you reproduce, hybridize, spread?
Are your progeny taking over the planet? When will humanity become extinct?
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@ IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? The issue regarding life in the Universe, as
far as it relates to life on worlds other than our own and to the current
crisis on our own world, requires boiling down to its most basic elements,
and consideration of all the possibilities within those elements.
http://x36.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=433866693&CONTEXT=928734707.1609039975

: Does life exist in the universe? How can you tell? Is it weird, tasteful,
tasty, intelligent, malign, omnivorous, beautiful, bureaucratic, boring?
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@ UFOS AND THE NEW PHYSICS. UFOs are a controversial and compelling enigma.
We remain unsure of what these objects are, or whether they even exist. Con-
ventional wisdom is that most UFOs are likely erroneous observations, along
with a bit of mass hysteria and some outright charlatanism. Was there really
a UFO crash at Roswell in 1947? But what if we were to assume - purely as an
exercise - that UFOs are actually products of a starfaring civilization?
http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=433421241&CONTEXT=928734024.671219793

: Is interstellar travel expensive? Are we worth the cost? How would you
justify star travel to your board of directors, stockholders, accountants?
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# Current Events and Prophesy. Updated 5/16/99. NORTH KOREA IS PREPARING FOR
WAR!!  IRAQ IS PREPARING FOR A "SHOWDOWN WITH THE US SOON"!!  US and UK are
ABSOLUTELY vulnerable to attack by China and Russia with no serious counter
attack capability. I strongly believe we will see full fledged outbreak of
war in these theaters in the next 6-8 weeks. This is based on prayer and
study. The unraveling of the current world order economically & politically
is nigh, and I mean this very soberly. http://www.clis.com/noe/events.html

: Is Armageddon at hand? Is your will made out, or would that be useless? Do
prayer and study prepare you for eternity? Why not give me all your money?
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# Gun resort opens in US. (BBC) Undaunted by the recent spate of school
shootings, investors in the US state of Nevada are backing the world's first
resort for firearms enthusiasts. Cigarettes and whiskey are mandatory too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_362000/362782.stm

: Do you go on vacation to shoot, to be shot at, to watch people shooting &
being shot at, to smell the smoke of gunfire, to hear its music, to savor?
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SkeptiReviews: (Bob Tatman)

*Cryptonomicon* Neal Stephenson's writing has been described as "Pynchon on
speed." *Cryptonomicon* is no exception. The exceedingly complex plot jumps
between World War Two and the very near future. It revolves around a highly
sophisticated encryption technique developed by an eccentric genius working
for Allied intelligence, and the involvement of his grandson in a scheme to
create an offshore "data haven" in Southeast Asia. You'll discover a great
many hints about connections and interconnections which lead in some *very*
interesting directions.
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380973464/qid%3D928339196/002-0162189-0076639

*Icefire*, by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. If this book were just a
techno-thriller in the Tom Clancy style, it would worth reading. But it is
somewhat more. On one level *Icefire* is the story of a Nuclear Emergency
Search Team (NEST) officer and a Greenpeace-type environmentalist as they
race to head off a global catastrophe. A mysterious conspiracy (whose iden-
tity becomes clear as the plot evolves) plants six nuclear devices on the
Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. When the bombs go off, the ice slams into the
ocean at 500 miles an hour, and a monster wave is born that will soon threa-
ten everything in the Pacific basin. Of particular interest are the segments
dealing with (are you ready for this?) HAARP and the Aurora, including a
fascinating and quite plausible account of what flying the Aurora would 

Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: How many...?

[Colleen Jones]

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When I was small there was a jeweler who had the bible written on the
head of a pin.now that was a long time ago, before computres, etc.

Now it was supposedly, the entire bible and he had it on display
free.come to think of it, they also had a baby mummy, which is still
buried in the library there back homeas I inquired recently.

So much for pin headsget a microscope.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: How many...?

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> Hey guys. How many angels dance on the head of a pin???
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> Joshua2

Measure an angel's arse.  Measure a pinhead.  Divide A into B.
The solution is left as an exercise for the student.  Ta ta.

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Re: [CTRL] NASA - KING OF TERROR?

[Colleen Jones]

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You know my brother-in-law,now dead, was the Thor Chief served in
England  seven years as he had to communicate allover world, setting up
BMEWS, and Missile sites, etc..his son is now with NASA and hopes to
be a College Professor, is his dream.

You also had the Apollo, the
Gemini..you have stuff now messing with the sun, where it has
something to do with flaresweather modification satellites that can
burn out a town, if they want with magnifying devisesI picked that
stuff up on my own, and secrets are secrets.

All those old Titans are obsolete as are the BMEWSthey were never
used and we have stuff now much worse, without a doubtby the time
they design and build a plane, it is obsolete...]

But the bible is full of astrologyin the Song of Solomon, you have
the Twins, Gemini, Castor and Pollux symbols; in Acts19 you have Apollo,
the craft that came to naughtyou have all the gods Mercury and
Jupiter, which were also known as Paul and Barnabas (St. Paul)and
when some of the old space crafts were sent upwell, they had to be
sent up at a precise momentand if Jesus Christ is about to descend
once again, his three days are up  he will descend when the stars in
the heaven are in the same spot they were in 2000 years  ag0...in a
sense, he travels on a star, and believe me he did not come through the
ozone with feathered wings of angelsthese are space craftand in
the space of time, as mentioned in the Actsalways the space of
timeI believe are the secrets to travel in the universe from the
image which fell from Jupiter, the the Godess Diana (the despised
huntress)...all the ancient gods from Apollo to Jupiter, they are all
thre.

Nostradamus, well when the world did not end in 1666 to avoid being
killed no doubt by his followers, he turned the numbers upside down, and
said 1999that is the ear, and that old propagandists curses and
worses have been used by spies for years to plant demoralizing
propagandaor good propaganda, depending on whose side you are on.

Somewhere, out therethere is a spacecraft, and someday it will
land.or, are we the ones who will ascend, rather than
descendremembr what Jesus said when they asked him how he would
return to his fatherand he said, the same way I got down here.

Fiat.

Colleen  Like your stuff.

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[CTRL] Fwd: ...innocent unknowing...

[Colleen Jones]

Okayhere is the suicide song Gloomy Sunday revised as of
latelook and read some of these horrible songs, and this is a
sample.

These kids they say loved Hitler; that is a lot of crap; they thought
they were getting them, before they got it.the one child was Jewish,
in a school with kids some of whom were overweight, wearing pierced
earings and nose rings, and eye rings; some of the kids looked
sick...mentally, something was wrong - I believe there was some kind of
indoctrination going on, and Gore and Clinton knew itand that is why
during the period of mourning, at the memorial service, the kids gave
Clinton the Mojo.and that, was sick.   Even the staff of the school
did not seem to be normal.

Sowhy the need to bring back the Suicide Song...and is just what
some of these kids do under the drugs like Kamakazee pilots...who were
often drugged and just as the old Assassins were drugged, and induced to
commit murder.

Read this crap; and ask why would anyone bring back that song..it
wass written in 1936 and even the author of the song, committed suicide.

Thanks.Colleen




http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~mel/music/sarahm/lyrics/lyrics.html

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #4

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 990606d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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@ Voyager Newsletter #5. The 'International UFO Network' and BUFORA's disin-
tegration. 'Flying Saucer' mythology. 'Cigar-shaped' object paced airplane
for 10 minutes. New 'Bentwaters' evidence featured on ParaNet radio program.
'Bentwaters' & Cash-Landrum case. 'Triangular UFO' mystery partly solved.
USAF patches. Roswell & 'impressive parchment' debris.  UFO Research List.
http://x36.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=484406308.1&CONTEXT=928724019.1371799632

: Are you part of a UFO coverup? Have you issued any disinformation on UFOs
lately? Are your masters happy with your work? Do they reward you well?
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# Flesh and chips. Cyborgs have feelings too. When California neurosurgeon
Gary Heit activated one of the implants he had just put into a human brain,
the man burst into tears. Heit's patient at Stanford U. neurosurgery clinic
was crying because, for the first time in 15 years, he was able to button up
his own shirt. Silicon technology and biological material - hard wiring and
soft flesh - can now be combined, but so far, the results have remained
unmistakably human. http://www.sn.apc.org/wmail/issues/990514/NEWS51.html

: What's your favorite implant? Do you prefer implants in brain, ears, eyes,
nerves, muscles, intestines? Do you want to be a borg? Want a wireless body?
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# Farmer destroys GM crops. A farmer has destroyed one of the UK's first
large-scale trials of gend-modified crops after coming under pressure from
his trustees. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_362000/362848.stm

: Do you prefer genetically-modified foods? Are all foods GM, one way or
another? Are you? Were you modified by evolution, deities, aliens, CIA/KGB?
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# Study suggests sea temperatures are volatile. BOSTON (AP) - Studies of
the chemistry of crustacean shells suggest that oceanic temperatures can
fluctuate dramatically in shorter times than once believed. Such work is
helping to establish a norm against which to judge contemporary changes. "Is
there a threshold beyond which we kick the system - and it can't come back?"
http://www.nando.net/healthscience/story/0,1080,57023-91086-639204-0,00.html

: What ecosystems would you like to kick-over into instability, or terminal
stasis? Do you want to end life on Earth, on other planets, in the galaxy?
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# Depleted uranium: a soldier's experience. As debate continues over Nato's
use in Kosovo of depleted uranium munitions, one US Gulf veteran has
recalled his experiences eight years ago. 'You're trashed with uranium'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_362000/362543.stm

# Also: Depleted uranium: the lingering poison:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_362000/362484.stm
# Depleted uranium 'low risk' for Gulf veterans:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_299000/299540.stm

@ Links: Military Toxics Project: http://www.miltoxproj.org/
@ UK MOD on Gulf War Illnesses: http://www.mod.uk/policy/gvi/index.htm
@ Gulf War Illness: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq.html
@ Depleted uranium: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

: What radioactive debris do you like to inhale? Do you have a glowing feel-
ing inside? Does inhaling uranium dust interfere with your alien implants?
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SkeptiLinks:

@ Info on Area 51, Aurora, Bob Lazar: www.geocities.com/area51/shuttle/5499
@ N.W.O. E.L.F. PSYCHOTRONIC TYRANNY: www.totse.com/files/FA012/elfnwo.htm
@ "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View": www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/
@ Hollow Planets: http://www.magiclink.net/~stevew/hollow/hollow.html
@ "Captain Clerk's Museum of the Future": http://www.compu-web.com
@ We're watching you at SpOOk Central: http://www.watchingyou.com

@ Total War: http://www.huntowm.com/ip.html
@ Reagan & War Crimes: www.consortiumnews.com/060399a.html
# The Media's Role in Federal Government Cover-ups:
  http://www.idmedia.com/mediacoverup.htm
# World not heading for a war of civilisations:
  http://www.bday.co.za/99/0205/comment/e7.htm

@ Telepathy: How to do it. The science of it. Real life, vital applications:
  http://ambassadorformankind.org/ri-bulletins/telepathy.htm
@ Joan of Arc (1430, France) betrayed by the being L. Ron Hubbard:
  http://ambassadorformankind.org/unframed/ri-464i.htm

# Lawyers, Guns, Money to Dominate as Congress Returns:
  http://cnn.com/US/9906/06/congress.returns.ap/index.html

@ India's Population Time Bomb:
  http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/kurtz_19_2.html
@ When We "Hit The Wall":
  http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/brown_19_2.html
@ Hitler Was _Not_ An Atheist:
  http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/m

[CTRL] Fwd: Gloomy Sunday Folklore

[Colleen Jones]

Am forwarding a song, that was written in 1936...I remembered my mothre
telling me of this song - she had two degrees and psychology was her
major, etc.

Since I was only five or so, stuff like this always scared me; we were
raised on classical music, and nothing such as this type of music would
ever be permitted; nor would books, which then probably were not too
bad, but everything was almost censored before it hit our house.

Now Littleton - drugs, music, etc., but primarily drugs did play a major
role in the murders - plus destroyed the lives of two kids, who does not
fit the assassin type.
Under the influence of drugs, kids can lose complete control, suffer
from amnesia and do acts in a different state of mindthis Mafia
stuff, is bad enough; that plus I think that whole community is
sick.

This song, the suicide song - I remember hearing it sung once, my mothr
played it and told me the story; as a teacher too, she guarded us
against any outside influences which she thought improper.
Over 100 individuals committed suicide and this song was blamed...my
guess would be those so doing, were under the influece of the drugs of
the day or alcoholics.

Now - why is this song brought back after over 60 years.  Obviously an
experiment.
Consider this Alec Baldwin on TV, stating somebody should be killed
(forget who); and then, this Spike Lee, or whatever his name was calling
for the murder of Charleton Hestonjust a joke, of course...now
consider Sirhan Sirhan all doped up engaged in self hypnosis and over
and over againRFK must die...over and over

Right now there are so many sick songs out there - and this horrible
Manson, even taking a name such as thathe wants kids to murder, and
he will be their leader.  Charles Jesus Manson, a masonic individual,
knew all the secrets - well not all, but a lot of them through the
organized crime elementhe induced his followers to commit murder for
him, and this is exactly what these horrible rock stars, such as this
Manson - this is what they are trying to do.

Music if a powerful weapon; it is used in psychological warefare and as
a control; even King David when young, played his harp to sooth the
savage beast in SaulSaul, did not know, he was being programmed into
a kinder, mor gentle prson through David's music.

Kids hear this music and do not even know what they are hearing
sometimes; satanic stuff played backwordshidden
messagessubliminal - even a painting can have a similar effect.
Throw in pornography, which I hope those poor kids had not been
into...but why, is this suicide song brought back.

I remembered its name last night - Gloomy Sunday...and the music is
morbid...throughout the web, you find suicide music and songs of
deathwith the use of drugs, kids who are suffering from depression
on drugs, and other drugs where kids lost self control and loss of their
own will, the drugs and music can result in murder.

Why are these horrible animals - these killers bringing back this song
along with others much worseand this Alec Baldwin was only kidding,
when he virtually gave the order, as did this Spike Lee, to kill/

This added with the manchurian candidate, or kids in behavior
modification under drugswith the wrong teacher - th experimentee and
experimentorswhy doesn't someone who really knows about this stuff
get after it.

The kids are programmed killers, just like Oswald, Sirhanand even
James Earl Ray, was caught with books on self hypnosishow did they
get this Hinkley to attempto to assassinat Reaganwhat triggred him
off...the movie Taxi"if you do not..I will kill the
President".kids too get into bibles and under drugs, can rceive a
command to kill or execute, perform the deed, and not remember it.
K-9 Dogs.attack...if you can train a dog to kill with one
wordwell, kids are smarter than dogs, but under drugs - hypotic
drugs, if pushed far enough, they will when the bell rings, respond as
one of Pavlov's dogs.

I am also going to send one more item, and I hope someone understands
what I am saying.  I am so tired tonight, I sometimes get lost in
wordsbut the truth is heresomeone ought to really go after that
bunch (maybe I will).

Colleen

Let me nkow whwat you think on this.




http://falco.kuci.uci.edu/~justin/gloomy_sunday/folklore.html

[CTRL] NASA - KING OF TERROR?

[DIG alfred webre]

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EcoNews Service
Vancouver, BC
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On August 11, 1999, the last solar eclipse of this century occurs,
and a growing movement of groups and individuals will be
participating in a World Meditation Day during the eclipse, and
during the events of the week that follows.  World Meditation Day is
for engendering world peace and harmony in our conflicted human
society.  Some of the factors underlying World Meditation Day are
now emerging.  Here we share parts of this breaking story.

Informed researchers have suggested to us that the Cassini
spaceprobe, scheduled to flyby Earth orbit on August 18, 1999
may in fact be a strategic deception operation, PsyOps in military
parlance.  Here we explore this possibility to flush out any shred of
truth in it.

In traditional hermeneutics, events are interpreted to fit the patterns
of pre-cognitive prophecies.  In PsyOps, or strategic deception, the
patterns of prophecies are used to create future events.  The same
masonic understandings that hermeneutics uses to interpret
prophecy are used by PsyOps to create “prophetic” events which
use human religious and cultural archetypes to impose fear and
control.

So let’s explore [without attempting to prove] the hypothesis that
the “Cassini” probe, designed to flyby Earth on August 18, 1999,
may actually be intentional PsyOps (Strategic deception
operation), masquerading both as a civilian spaceprobe.  In
PsyOps mode, the Cassini spacecraft becomes a nuclear weapon
carrying 72 pounds of plutonium, and designed plausibly to fit
various prophetic archetypes of traditional prophecy such as
Nostradamus, Garabandal, Fatima, and the Aztec End-cycle
prophecies.

The seer Nostradamus [Michel de Notredame, 1503-1566] tells us
in his quatrains:
Century 10, Quatrain 72

Francais:
L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un gran Roy d'effrayeur.
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.

English:
The year 1999, seventh month,   [August, under modern calendar]
>From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.

The research issue is not whether Cassini is the King of Terror
coming from the sky in August 1999, as predicted by
Nostradamus.  The PsyOps issue is whether Nostradamus
quatrains were used to design a strategic deception operation,
whose strategic cover would be those very quatrains.

In other words, from its very inception, the Cassini mission may
have been designed as PsyOps around the specifications of the
Nostradamus quatrains, and other prophetic and celestial events.
Its purpose?  If Cassini is a plutonium bomb, its purpose could be
to weaken or decimate human civilization, terminate or injure a
large portion of the population, and impose the “New World Order”
– a global mind-control totalitarian regime run by elites and others.
This operation, if true, is our first “global coup.”  Suggestively,
although more advanced solar panels were available for the Cassini
mission, the US military overrode this option, insisting on the more
dangerous and obsolete plutonium device.

But Cassini could be just a legitimate space probe, yet launched
as PsyOps to flyby Earth around the fateful Solar eclipse.  Its
purpose? Masonic control, and feeding on the fear generated in
mankind. It might be thought that timing the Cassini mission
around the celestial configurations of the Grand Cross and Solar
Eclipse of August 11, 1999, a cosmic slingshot effect to the
PsyOps destruction. So much more to facilitate the goal of a New
World Order (“NWO”), by generating fear in humanity at a very
potent juncture.

An historical precedent for a PsyOps operation of this scale lies in
the devastation of the Aztec civilization by Cortez.  It differs in
detail, but has essential similarities. By Aztec prophecy, Cortez
arrived in 1519 with 100 or so soldiers at Veracruz in the very year
and day the Aztecs prophesized Quetzalcoatl – the God-Man
Plumed Serpent - would return.  By PsyOps use of the
Quetzalcoatl symbolism, Cortez small group was able to vanquish
a vast empire in a short time.  Similarly, the masquerade of Cassini
as Nostradamus’ “King of Terror” , and an emblem of God’s wrath
and man’s sin(tra) in the Garabandal and Fatima prophecies give
this PsyOps masonic power far beyond that of a conventional
space accident.

The “threat from outer space” has been a consistent theme of
NWO leaders to justify a world order. Ronald Reagan, and NWO
stalwart, even delivered a speech at the United Nations to this
effect.  The common reference to this outer space threat is
extraterrestrials.  Yet wouldn’t a Cassini plutonium disaster fit the
bill?

We have not as yet reached a conclusion as to the truth of the
hypothesis, but there is an unusual mounting of events suggesting
some momentous, globally coordinated NWO events are
underway.

NWO researchers tell us that the secret masonic networks that
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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[William Hugh Tunstall]

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Of course, MJ, Bastiat and company cannot be classified as "libertarians."
However, all of them are often used BY libertarians to support their
philosophy...their writings provide excellent snippets and blurbs for
their missives. I can't remember ever hearing anyone mention Lysander
Spooner BEFORE the libertarian movement became popular. But you are NOT a
libertarian.  Thanks for the clarification.

Sorry.  Your post DOES represent an attack on me (to the person).

You set up the following.  Individuals who believe that
governments have the right to collect taxes for social welfare programs
are engaged in an act of theft. ("theft" "rape" "stealing"--strong
pejorative terms).  Unstated assumption of your statement:
William agrees with the government's right to collect taxes to be used for
social welfare programs (spending which you disapprove of); therefore
William supports theft.





On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>  Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander
>  Spooner, Thomas Sowell with frequency, the connection
>  with libertarianism is rather obvious, isn't it?
>
> MJ:
> These persons are liberals and possibly libertarians in
> the loose sense but certainly NOT Libertarians.
>
> This does NOT change *my* words into theirs nor is it logically
> acceptable to make attempts at such.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>  Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy
>  are NOT shaped by libertarian thought?
>
> MJ:
> Actually moreso by 'trial and error', examination, reasoning
> and looking at reality.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for
> your erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how
> tolerant you are of individuals who do not share your
> philosophical perspective.
>
>
> ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
> Argumentum ad Hominem is literally "argument directed at
> the man".
> The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when,
> instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion,
> the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion.
> This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not
> depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Examine your statement below: because I disagree with you,
> I am characterized by you as being afraid of "liberty,
> freedom and equality."  But you also go further: presumably,
> by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
> classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave,"
> and benefit from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack
> on me
> MJ:
> Actually, pointing at reality.
> If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
> the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
> trying on shoes for fit).
>
> (snipped for brevity)
>  On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
>  I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.  I see your use of
>  ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
>  most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
>  the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.
>
>
> Regard$,
>  --MJ
>
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Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 6/6/99 11:20:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
 Please link the Sowell quote below to "SA-social conditions."


 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

 >  -Caveat Lector-
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 > A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there
 > is no more effective way to limit thought than to
 > control the language itself.  By changing definitions
 > of words through continual association, any serious
 > discussion involving the concepts that the words
 > represents becomes hopelessly muddled.
 > The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately
 > comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell >>


 Sounds like Noam Chomsky to me!

 Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

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Please link the Sowell quote below to "SA-social conditions."


On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
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> A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there
> is no more effective way to limit thought than to
> control the language itself.  By changing definitions
> of words through continual association, any serious
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> represents becomes hopelessly muddled.
> The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately
> comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell
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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[William Hugh Tunstall]

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Why do you feel the need to play these little, crappy rhetorical games?

Come on,
MJ.  Stop hiding behind your little one-liners and snippets.

What do you really believe in... ? What makes your spirit soar?

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>  A man or woman's character is meaningless in America.  It
>  is the possession of wealth that matters.  Of course, you
>  or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
>  part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the basis
>  of material possessions: the clothes one wears, the car one
>  drives, the house one lives in.
> MJ:
> Fallacy of ad hoc, gross generalization and wild ass guess.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> WHy do I believe that?   Well, I've lived in California,
> Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington and North
> Dakota. In my own experience, it is money that talks,
> bullshit that walks.
> MJ:
> Fallacy of anecdotal evidence.
>
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>   There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who
>   work hard, struggle against incredible odds to provide for
>   their families, and in this country, they go unrecognized
>   and unrewarded.  Do you think Americans care about these
>   honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
>   Not really.
>
>   No.  Americans are interested in and fascinated by those
>   who possess wealth... and as a society, we encourage our
>   children to "get up there" by whatever means necessary,
>   so that they won't have to know the day-to-day indignities
>   of what it's like to be poor.
>
>   To be poor and without property in a society that worships
>   property and possessions means that your life is at the
>   disposal of others.  So, if you lack property, and your
>   mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell whatever you
>   can to survive.  Well, what can be sold?  Talents, skills,
>   labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson.  In Thailand,
>   poor moms and dads sell their female children to brothels.
> MJ:
> Nice emotive speech, but what has it to do with reality?
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>  Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in
>  order to survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that
>  the majority of those who sell themselves are VERY interested
>  in doing anything and everything to make their masters happy.
>
>  Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
>  have, become less important in the struggle for survival.
>
>  Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
>  all social classes.  Remember the success of the Godfather
>  movie?  The line between criminal and legal behavior is a
>  fine one... many saw the Corleone family as
> heroesmisunderstood
>  entrepeneurs who were only supplying people with what they want.
>
>  And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought
>  and sold in the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold
>  by those who DO have the money.  The transformation of human
>  beings into things bothers me... SOmehow, I don't find it
>  inspiring.
>
>   Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
>   nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about
>   reducing human beings down to the level of objects.  And
>   there is something fundamentally wrong about a society that
>   values money more than they value the wellbeing of their own
>   children.
>
>   I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the
>   poor and the problems of poor children, we would change our
>   priorities.  But that's not likely, is it?
>
> MJ:
> Not certain where you are driving this bus ... call me stupid, but
> can you reduce this diatrible into a two or three sentence assertion?
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and
> yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish
> to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his
> back.  -- Leo Tolstoy
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Re: [CTRL] Implants

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 6/6/99 10:06:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Thank you, Andrew.  I am sorry Steve.  Saw the Pamela article and was
 replying to Bill's comment.  I meant nothing in relation to your hardship.
 I find myself attempting to jest at the unfunny often these days.  It helps
 keep from crying sometimes.  Things are so unbelievably messed up in so many
 areas the burden becomes unbearable.  Some of us cope by using humor.  This
 was in poor taste in this instance.  Mia culpa! >>


 Actually Amelia, methinks you were wrong to apologize...nothing at all wrong
in trying to be "light".
 At least I don't think that there is...Plus, and let us be honest, do you
REALLY think people are walking around with "implants" in them??? Bah!

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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[Sno0wl]

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On 4 Jun 99, , M.A. wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>   There's always a certain percentage of the population that
>   is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological
>   reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc.
>
> MJ:
> Does this provide them with a 'special right' to steal from others
> or have their agent do so for them?  As to 'healthcare' ... getting
> the government OUT of all facets will reduce the costs to 5-10%
> of current ... restrict Government to its Constitutional limitations
> and one effectively doubles their income ... this provides MORE
> resources which go farther to those who would prefer to spend other
> people's money on their pet causes -- in other words, this allows
> people to put THEIR money where their mouth is.

What you're not talking about is corruption---corruption in the insurance industry,
corruption in the medical industry (at the top levels of the AMA). These guys are so
powerful that everyone does "get out of their way," thus enabling them to take the
lion's share and leave a pittance for real "health care." All the monies for health 
care
are already in richly lined private pockets. It is corruption in government that 
allows this
sick situation to continue. If it got any "freer", actual doctors and hospitals would 
get
absolutely zilch and the insurance guys and the very top of the medical profession
would laugh all the way to the bank while all the rest of us died in the streets. 
Actually,
this is already happening. The insurance companies--to keep their profits high--are
closing down and "merging" one hospital after another. Your tax dollars are going into
the pockets of these guys...not to pay for health care for the poor. Get real.


sno0wl

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[CTRL] The Media's Role in Federal Government

[Gavin Phillips]

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http://www.idmedia.com/mediacoverup.htm

The Media's Role in Federal Government
Cover-ups
By Jean Duffey
Most Americans, regardless of their political persuasion, have an abiding
distrust for our federal government. We know our national leaders lie to us,
but we feel helpless to do anything about it. Forthright investigators are
discredited for trying to reveal the truth, (See Investigators, Bill Duncan
and Russell Welch) and whistle-blowers are punished, while
"team-players" are rewarded. We hear about shredded or lost documents,
but no one is held accountable. We are weary of Congressional hearings
that tip-toe around the real issues or go into closed-door sessions in the
name of "national security." Our federal government has too much power,
and we have none. Worse still, we are in a Catch-22 situation - power
corrupts and we bestow that power via the polls.
Not too many years ago, news reporters seemed to do a better job of
holding our leaders accountable. Our Constitutional right (and protection)
of "freedom of the press" still exists, but it doesn't seem to be doing much
for us lately. That's because our federal government controls the press. Oh
please - not another conspiracy theory!
I truly hate to suggest a conspiracy explanation of anything. Mainstream
Americans generally won't buy it, and mainstream media's favorite
sarcastic topic for editorials, at least in Arkansas, is "conspiracy nuts."
(Arkansas Democrat-Gazette's Editorials "This week's conspiracy
theory" and "Conspiracies behind every rock") So, imagine how vicious the
suggestion of a conspiracy might be attacked by the media if they are
accused of being involved themselves. However, I'm going to stick to this
conspiracy theory, but bear with me - I will qualify the role of the media.
I think every American can accept as fact that our federal government is
engaged in a deliberate and calculated cover-up of information. Federal
officials, appointed and elected, have many secrets. Some secrets may be
kept legitimately for purposes of national security, but some secrets are
nothing more than a cover-up of the dirty deals and illegal activities of our
officials. This is where the conspiracy begins - with dirty officials
protecting
themselves and other dirty officials, which expands to officials protecting
their cronies for favors, which expands to staff members who are
rewarded for their loyalty. This web of protection and deceit is next to
impossible to escape. Those who have tried to expose it are handily
discredited or even destroyed, because the government is in charge of
investigating the government.
At one time, the media was supportive of a legitimate whistle-blower but
not these days. That's because they're part of the conspiracy, and here is
how I want to qualify that accusation. There are different levels of
culpability, and I don't believe the media deliberately participates in the
conspiracy. They are, however, negligent and maybe even reckless. So,
am I saying media reporters, editors, and producers/publishers are
ignorant? No, I'm saying they're lazy. So, am I accusing them of being
unethical? Absolutely.
My notion revolves around the media's acceptance of the government's
"official" position on a subject. Once a government agency has taken an
"official" position, mainstream media, especially network news, will not
challenge it. This is not just an observation, it is an unwritten policy
confirmed by several seasoned reporters. The deaf, dumb, and blind
acceptance of an "official" press release from the government fits very
nicely into the American way of life - do as little as is necessary to get
that
paycheck. Put in your eight-hour day, but no longer without compensation.
Exert enough effort to keep the boss off your back, and, by all means,
don't make waves.
My brother very eloquently describes today's method of reporting as the
three R's - rip, read, and write. The government takes advantage of this
three R's method by employing their own news writers to feed the lazy
media. There are a reported 10,000-plus federal employees who are
responsible for inundating the media with press releases. Just think about
that for a minute and try to iminage how many press releases are being sent
every day to every major news media source in the world. All a reporter
has to do is rip a news release off his fax, and he's got his article for the
day. And the real beauty of it is, he doesn't even have to verify the
information or its source. It doesn't matter if the information is inaccurate
or
even a bald-faced lie - it's an "official" statement from the government, so
the reporter's butt is covered.
On the other hand, what happens if an ambitious reporter wants to
investigate the dubious subject of a government news release? He (or she)
enters the game with three strikes against him. Strike one: The rest of the
media has already given the government's "official" position credibility by
reporting it as factual. Strike two: 

[CTRL] Mena Deaths on Railroad Tracks Won't Go Away.

[Gavin Phillips]

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There has been so much blood spilt and carnage wrought to untold numbers of
people's lives because of Bill Clinton it boggles the mind to even try to
comprehend it all. Below, another two innocent victims. Gavin.


http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm


<< From: "W.G.E.N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >From: "Brian A. Cavallo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >Subject: "Obstruction of Justice" Mena, Arkansas
 >
 >Folks,
 >
 >Remember the video "Obstruction of Justice"?  The parents of the two slain
 >teenagers were sued by the perpetrators in the local and county
 >governments.  The suit is now coming to trial.  The surviving parents
 >and the owner of Jeremiah Films and author of the Clinton Chronicles Pat
 >Matrisciana (sp?), must generate $50,000 for the continuation of the trial.

 >
 >Send whatever you can; a five or a single will help but send something.
 >
 >Best regards,
 >
 >Brian
 
 >>From: "Harold M. Hume, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>
 >>I hope that you will take the time to read this 'forward'.  If anyone is
 >interested in viewing the video tapes mentioned, I will gladly loan them
 >>and others that support the exposure of the corruption mentioned below.
 >>It seems that only the little folks, supporting each other, in this type
 >of investigation can overcome the corruption that exists in our country
today.
 >>
 >>hmh
 >>
 >>The "train deaths"
 >>http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm
 >>
 >>UPDATE: 6-1-99
 >>
 >>A PLEA FOR FUNDING
 >>http://www.idmedia.com/plea-for-funding.htm
 >>
 >>by Jean Duffey
 >>
 >>This is a difficult update for me to write. It is
 >>a plea for money to support our federal law suit
 >>that is going to trial the first week in August.
 >>We have been able to finance our website and
 >>support a continued investigation of the murders
 >>of Kevin and Don with donations from supporters
 >>and with proceeds from the sale of our video
 >>"Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection" (we
 >>receive 2% of the sales). When the funds are
 >>short, we cover the expenses personally. We are
 >>adamantly opposed to making one penny profit from
 >>anything associated with the story. There is
 >>almost nothing we dread more than having to ask
 >>for money, but we are financially in our most
 >>desperate hour. We are $50,000 short of financing
 >>the upcoming trial.
 >>
 >>The expose below is a recap of the events which
 >>have brought us to the brink of realizing justice
 >>for Kevin and Don. A year after the release of
 >>"Obstruction," Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane sued our
 >>video's producer,(1) Pat Matrisciana, for naming
 >>them as suspects in the murders. Linda and I
 >>welcomed the suit as an opportunity to put
 >>evidence into public record and get the facts
 >>before a jury. After depositions last summer, each
 >>party filed motions for summary judgment and
 >>argued several points of law. We flew over that
 >>hurdle with a ruling from the judge in our favor
 >>on every point of law. The last hurdle is the jury
 >>trial which is scheduled to begin on August 2. We
 >>are absolutely confident in our case and look
 >>forward to presenting our evidence to the jurors.
 >>
 >>Our only obstacle is financing. Pat has run out of
 >>money and does not have the last $50,000. A mere
 >>$50,000 - not very much compared to the hundreds
 >>of thousands of dollars raised for Paula Jones and
 >>Bill Clinton and the millions spent by Kenneth
 >>Starr. The amount seems even more insignificant
 >>when compared to what a favorable ruling will
 >>accomplish. Not only will we realize some measure
 >>of justice for Kevin and Don, the Mena cover-up
 >>will unravel.
 >>
 >>Please help us realize the most important
 >>opportunity for justice in the nearly twelve years
 >>since Kevin and Don were murdered to protect a
 >>government-sanctioned drug operation. Mainstream
 >>media is perpetuating the cover-up,(2) and if we
 >>have to default for lack of money, they will never
 >>let us recover. On the other hand, if we can get
 >>through the trial, they will not be able to ignore
 >>the findings of a federal judge and jury.
 >>
 >>Please don't think that a small contribution of $5
 >>or $10 won't be appreciated. The truth is, we'd
 >>rather have $5 from 10,000 supporters than $50,000
 >>from one. E-mailing and faxing I.C. Smith and
 >>Paula Casey has made a difference, telling others
 >>about our website has strengthened our support,
 >>and keeping us in your prayers has given us heart.
 >>Now, what I have always considered to be the least
 >>important factor in our purpose - money - has
 >>become the most important factor.
 >>
 >>Please help if you possibly can. Make checks
 >>payable to the The Kevin Ives Civil Justice
 >>Foundation(3) and mail to:
 >>
 >>The Kevin Ives Civil Justice Foundation
 >>28 Bradley
 >>Bryant, AR. 72022
 >>
 >>RECAPPING TWELVE YEARS
 >>
 >>August 23, 1987, the parents of Kevin Ives, 17,
 >>and Don Henry, 16, learned their sons were dead.
 >>They had been run over by a train. Too 

[CTRL] Gov'ts run anonymous remailers

[Bill Kingsbury]

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 From: The Progressive Review <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   http://prorev.com

 UNDERNEWS - edited by Sam Smith
 June 4, 1999


 Viktor Mayer-Schoenberger of the Austrian Institute for
 Legal Policy reports that during a symposium at the Harvard
 Law School, representatives of the National Defense
 University and Science Application International Corporation
 said that a number of Internet anonymous remailers in the US
 are run by government agencies scanning traffic.  SAIC's
 William Marlowe said that the government runs at least a
 dozen remailers and that the most popular remailers in
 France and Germany are also run by government agencies.

 They also said that the NSA has successfully developed
 systems to break encrypted messages below 1000 bit of key
 length and strongly suggested to use at least 1024 bit keys.
 They said that they themselves use 1024 bit keys.





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[CTRL] The Third Way: Stealth Fascism

[Bill Kingsbury]

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 from:  http://www.zolatimes.com/v2.34/Blair.html


 Tony Blair's Neo-Fascist Third Way

 by Wolf De Voon

 British prime minister Tony Blair likes government, and
 positively heaves with enthusiasm for the future of democracy.
 Well he should.  Tony Blair is the best thing that happened to
 British socialism since the invention of income tax.

 I suppose I should be grateful to have a worthy opponent.
 Blair's recently-published political manifesto, The Third Way:
 New Politics for the New Century, digs fresh ground and
 convincingly defends the indefensible.  It is an outstanding
 achievement in rhetoric.  He makes the welfare state seem
 reasonable and sane, positively essential to modern society.
 Coming from me, that's high praise.

 Blair gets top marks for historical creativity and truly
 breathtaking contradictions.  "The Third Way," he explains,
 "is founded on the values which have guided progressive
 politics for more than a century -- democracy, liberty,
 justice, mutual obligation and internationalism... The Third
 Way is not an attempt to split the difference between Right
 and Left.  It is about traditional values in a changed world...
 [Margaret Thatcher] asserted the primacy of individual liberty
 in the market economy; [Karl Marx] promoted social justice with
 the state as its main agent.  There is no necessary conflict
 between the two, accepting as we do that state power is one
 means to achieve our goals, but not the only one and
 emphatically not an end in itself."  ...Wow!

 Blair's values are bulletproof:  "The new constitution of the
 Labour Party commits us to seek the widest possible spread of
 wealth, power and opportunity... The rights we enjoy reflect
 the duties we owe; rights and opportunity without
 responsibility are engines of selfishness and greed."

 It could be an ordinary share-the-wealth scam.  But here comes
 the Blair sledgehammer, with universal obedience and obligation
 at the base of his Third Way:  "We need to shape modern
 institutions of work, and the institutions in which children
 are brought up, on the basis of enduring values -- justice for
 all, responsibility from all."  Every business decision will be
 scrutinized by government; parents will be 'policed' by state
 inspectors, to determine if they are raising their children
 properly.

 Agriculture and industry are verboten in the Blair Economy.
 "Services, knowledge, skills and small enterprises are its
 cornerstones," he cautions.  "Most of its output cannot be
 weighed, touched or measured."  (This is a politically-specific
 warning shot, fired at the wallets of trade unionists and three
 million metal bashers who voted for New Labour and are no
 longer economically or demographically important to the New
 Labour regime.  Workers of the world, prepare for retirement!)
 If Blair's view of the economy sounds a little screwloose,
 here's the party line on wealth-creation:

 "We all depend on collective goods for our independence, and
 all our lives are enriched or impoverished by the communities
 to which we belong... [F]reedom for the many requires strong
 government... Government intervention is necessary to protect
 the weak..."

 Blair's Third Way agenda has the raw growl of fascism:
 state control of everyone and everything.

 "Strong communities depend on shared values and a recognition
 of the rights and duties of citizenship -- not just the duty to
 pay taxes and obey the law, but the obligation to bring up
 children as competent, responsible citizens, and to support
 those -- such as teachers -- who are employed by the state in
 the task.  In the past we have tended to take such duties for
 granted.  But where they are neglected, we should not hestitate
 to encourage and even enforce them... In all areas, monitoring
 and inspection are playing a key role, as an incentive to
 higher standards and as a means of determining appropriate
 levels of intervention... The Government will have powers to
 intervene where performance indicators or inspectors' reports
 show that there is a serious or persistent failure in the
 delivery of services."

 Ostensibly, this is being done to make the trains run on time
 and to salvage the byzantine superstructure of Britain's
 government health care monopoly, the NHS, Europe's largest
 employer.  To her everlasting shame, Mrs Thatcher lacked the
 courage to dismantle this medical monstrosity, doubling her NHS
 budget instead of calling a socialist sewer a sewer.  Immune
 from competition and tort law, the NHS continues to neglect and
 butcher helpless patients, driving competent doctors and nurses
 from practice, widening the deeply-entrenched English "brain
 drain" that Tony Blair proposes to slam shut by adding another
 layer of inept supervisors, regulators, inspectors and
 informers.  It is irrelevant that government officials and
 the Royal Family are treated by an elite cadre of private
 physicians in private hospitals.  Hypocrisy is the l

[CTRL] Starr to trip Hillary ?

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: The Progressive Review <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   http://prorev.com

 UNDERNEWS - edited by Sam Smith
 June 3, 1999

 IT TAKES A WHOLE STATE TO RAISE A SENATOR

 Hillary Clinton may run into some problems with Kenneth
 Starr just about the time her Senate campaign is in full
 swing.  So says the New York Post which points out that the
 independent counsel is still investigating the Travelgate
 scandal in which HRC got rid of career White House staffers
 in favor of an Arkansas travel firm.

 The firm had provided a million dollars in deferred travel
 for the Clinton campaign, generosity that helped mightily to
 keep the cash-strapped primary effort going.  The Clinton
 pay-back to the firm -- supervised by HRC -- resulted not
 only in the firing of White House employees without cause
 but false accusations against Billy Dale, the head of the
 travel office, ending in a criminal trial in which the jury
 quickly acquitted Dale.

 The Post says that the "Starr report is bound to include the
 infamous memo from ex-Clinton aide David Watkins saying Mrs.
 Clinton was adamant about axing hapless staffers - 'We need
 these people out, we need our people in,' it quoted her as
 saying.

 Ex-Clinton aide Dick Morris yesterday confirmed that he's been
 called in next week to meet with FBI agents working for Starr
 about matters like Travelgate involving Hillary Clinton."






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[CTRL] dioxin in European food last 4 months...

[Bill Kingsbury]

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 From: The Progressive Review <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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 UNDERNEWS - edited by Sam Smith
 June 4, 1999

 ECO NOTES

 THE GUARDIAN:  The European food industry was in turmoil
 last night, with stores clearing thousands of products from
 their shelves as the list of potentially contaminated
 foodstuffs seemed to grow almost by the hour.  The crisis
 that began in Belgium over the weekend was spreading rapidly
 across other countries as the Belgian authorities revealed
 that animal feed contaminated with carcinogenic dioxins
 might have been fed to cattle as well as pigs and chickens.

 The likelihood emerged that millions of consumers across the
 continent -- and perhaps some in Britain -- had been eating
 contaminated food for the past four months as European
 commission officials admitted they could not exclude the
 possibility that other animal species or dairy products had
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Re: [CTRL] Implants

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Thank you, Andrew.  I am sorry Steve.  Saw the Pamela article and was
replying to Bill's comment.  I meant nothing in relation to your hardship.
I find myself attempting to jest at the unfunny often these days.  It helps
keep from crying sometimes.  Things are so unbelievably messed up in so many
areas the burden becomes unbearable.  Some of us cope by using humor.  This
was in poor taste in this instance.  Mia culpa!
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Implants


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Excuse me guys, aren't we being a bit blase and insulting to a guy that
> believes he has had a hard time - then was implanted.
> Not with breasts - like pamela anderson but with material science and law
> can establish as prejudical to a normal life.
> Whatever it may be claimed that implants do or do not do, there are very
> substantial problems recorded from being so victimised.
> You people seem to continue the pattern of victimisation with your
mocking.
>
> Andrew Hennessey
>
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[CTRL] Chat with AC Clarke

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From www.secularhumanism.org


> 
>
> God, Science, and Delusion
>
> A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke
>
> by Matt Cherry
>
>
> --
> --
>
>
> The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 19, Number
> 2.
>
>
> --
> --
>
>
> Arthur C. Clarke is known across the world for his books, television
> programs, and movies. Free Inquiry Deputy Editor Matt Cherry visited
> the science fiction author, who is a member of the International
> Academy of Humanism, in Sri Lanka, the beautiful tropical island that
> has been Clarke's home for nearly four decades. His house, in the
> capitol of Columbo, is filled with spectacular wall-sized NASA photos,
> reminiscent of some of the shots in his film 2001: A Space Odyssey. In
> the personal study where he was interviewed, Clarke was surrounded by
> books and signed photos-ranging from actress Elizabeth Taylor to
> astronaut Buzz Aldrin-that reflect Clarke's prominent roles in the
> very different worlds of science and entertainment. He talked to Free
> Inquiry about mankind, morality, and religion.
>
>
> --
> --
>
>
> Free Inquiry: This is a rare opportunity. Thanks for talking with us.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke: Rare indeed. My agent will probably shoot me for
> granting this interview. I turn down interviews all the time, but for
> Free Inquiry, I'm happy to make an exception.
>
> FI: Our readers have some familiarity with your views and in
> particular your very strong emphasis on the use of science in
> understanding the natural world. But could you say something about
> your views on moral issues?
>
> Clarke: One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has
> been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and
> morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is
> really very simple and doesn't require religion at all. It's this:
> "Don't do unto anybody else what you wouldn't like to be done to you."
> It seems to me that that's all there is to it.
>
> The other issue is, why can't humans live up to this principle? Why is
> it that people can't act as human beings should? I'm appalled by what
> we all see on the news every day-massacres, atrocities, injustices,
> outrages of all kinds. When I see what's happening, I sometimes wonder
> if the human race deserves to survive.
>
> FI: In recent years a lot of ethical issues have arisen from advances
> in technology, as they have, for example, in cloning.
>
> Clarke: Yes, and such issues will continue to arise at an increasing
> pace. They will challenge all of us - but especially those who hold
> rigid moral outlooks like those found in most religions.
>
> By the way, I was - in a strange way - involved in a cloning project.
> There was a project afoot to send me into outer space along with a lot
> of other people. Not the whole me, though - just a hair from my head,
> while I still had some. It was quite a serious project by a company
> that launched a lot of spacecraft. The idea was that maybe in a
> hundred million years or so, an advanced civilization would find this
> little space capsule containing my hair, an Arthur C. Clarke would be
> cloned from it, and I would thus pop up in another galaxy in the
> distant future. Interesting thought.
>
> FI: Yes, but perhaps a little disturbing.
>
> Clarke: Well, it's better than the Celestes Project, in which you have
> to be dead before your ashes are sent into space.
>
> FI: You have written a great deal about possible technologies of the
> future. For example, you're well known for thinking up the idea of
> geostationary orbit. But as we look into the next century or even the
> next millennium, what do you see as the big technological changes that
> are likely to alter the direction of the human species or will present
> major new dilemmas or problems to the human race?
>
> Clarke: I think most of the major changes will be biological,
> involving advances in DNA research and technologies, among other
> things. But there's also potentially revolutionary research going on
> in the physical sciences. The thing that I'm most interested in at the
> moment is the so-called Infinite Energy solution - the possibility of
> finding new ways of tapping into virtually limitless sources of
> energy. It's been about ten years since cold fusion was touted and
> then laughed at. But since then there's been a groundswell of
> scientific opinion and lots of experimentation suggesting that maybe
> there's something important going on, that maybe we can solve our
> energy needs once and for all. This field is subject to hype and
> disappointment, yet I'm seeing evidence now that hints that we may be
> on the verge of an energy breakthrough.
>
> This would cause a total transformation of our society, an end of the
> fossil-fuel age

[CTRL] Electronic Trade Inequality

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/en/1999/05/14tele.html


>
>
>
>
> LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE - May 1999
>
>
>
>
> RICHES ON THE INFORMATION HIGHWAY
>
> Unequal terms of electronic trade
>
>
> --
> -- The strategy patiently pursued by the United States in
> telecommunications since the 1980s is now bearing fruit. It involved
> deregulating the American domestic market, using competition to create
> competitors powerful enough, financially and technologically, to go on
> to attack markets outside. Europe and Asia, which had refused to
> develop their own infrastructures, are now seeing these firms take
> control. by PHILIPPE QUÉAU *
>
> --
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The power of the American telecommunications operators is such that
> the United States has become the hub of world telecommunications,
> especially for the Internet. Their financial muscle, growing
> competitive advantage and widespread deregulation mean that they are
> now in a position to set up their own switching systems in Europe and
> Asia and to negotiate even more advantageous interconnection tariffs
> with local operators, putting an end once and for all to the
> international system of accounting rates.
>
> The accounting rate represents the total cost of an international call
> between two countries: the use of two "local loops" (the parts of the
> network that connect the user's home to his telephone company),
> switching and international link. Traditionally, the country where the
> call is billed pays half that rate to the receiving country.
>
> But since January 1998, the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> has unilaterally decided to abandon this system of payment, arguing
> that the growing imbalance between the traffic leaving the United
> States and that coming in was creating a deficit of more than $6
> billion a year for American operators. But a good part of that deficit
> has in fact been encouraged by the practices of the American operators
> themselves, such as call back and re-routing (passing the
> communication through a third country with more competitive tariffs).
>
> The situation is made worse by the political shortsightedness of the
> European and Asian authorities, whose lack of alternative regional
> strategies and inability to stand up to their own national monopolies
> have strengthened American domination. The case of Internet access
> provision is particularly enlightening: the forecast has it that by
> the year 2002 world telephone traffic will be no more than 1% of
> Internet traffic.
>
> How did it happen? A formidable combination of radical technological
> progress making possible massive reductions in costs, an ingenious
> commercial strategy exploiting the inherent weaknesses of the
> accounting rate system, a structural advantage for the biggest
> operators (the phenomenon of "increasing returns"), and the inability
> of non-American operators to devise effective strategies in time, or
> rather their keenness to deliberately contribute to the imbalance, as
> we shall see.
>
> It was competition, made possible by bringing in deregulation much
> earlier than in other countries, and the ability immediately to turn
> technological progress into a commercial strategy, that brought about
> the first major tariff reductions in the US. This heightened
> competition on the American home market was encouraged even more by
> the fact that the payments that American operators received from
> international ones under the accounting rate system was proportional
> to their shares of the export market. In other words, the bigger an
> American operator's share of the national market, the more he
> "automatically" earns on the international one.
>
> This keen competition led to the development of systems for
> concentrating and diverting telephone traffic (call back and
> re-routing), artificially inflating their shares of the export market
> even more, and thereby killing three birds with one stone: weakening
> the non-American regional markets and introducing them to competition
> at a time and according to a timetable not of their choosing;
> increasing in size to obtain effects of scale on the export market and
> artificially creating a deficit; and thus giving themselves an
> excellent pretext to call the accounting rate system into question.
>
> The decision provoked the wrath of the developing countries. Its first
> effect was that revenues poured into the pockets of American operators
> at the expense of the already weak local ones. It also called into
> question the equally ancient system of crossed subsidies that were a
> part of national policy (1), allowing the local telephone system to be
> funded out of the income from international calls, for example.
> Technical and financial globalisation is therefore resulting in a
> "globalisation" of the telec

Re: [CTRL] Armed to the Teeth, and Free

[nurev]

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6/6/99

You can't point to the Swiss and Israelis for any comparison.
Neither of those countries is comprised of Americans. They both
have homogenous cultures with a more or less sane citizenry.

If the US were made up of Swiss, I would never consider banning
guns.

But we are not. The comparisons are irrelevant.

Joshua2
=
Gavin Phillips wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> fwd Gavin
>
> << Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:41:17 -0700
>  >From: Forest Glen Durland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >Subject: Safe Guns
>  >
>  >June 4, 1999
>  >
>  >Armed to the Teeth, and Free
>  >
>  >By Stephen P. Halbrook, an attorney in Fairfax, Virginia,
>  >and author of "Target Switzerland."
>  >
>  >In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban
>  >"assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill
>  >Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns
>  >cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males
>  >are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them
>  >at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley
>  >responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull."
>  >For those who think that target shooting is more fun than
>  >golf, however, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or
>  >train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf
>  >courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in
>  >town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in
>  >restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and
>  >young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over
>  >their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right
>  >past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in
>  >the U.S., and a SWAT Team might do you in.)
>  >Tourists--especially those from Japan, where guns are banned
>  >to all but the police--think it's a revolution. But shooting
>  >is the national sport, and the backbone of the national
>  >defense as well. More per capita firepower exists in
>  >Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is
>  >one of the safest places to be.
>  >According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm
>  >Regulation, England's 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9%
>  >involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000
>  >population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0
>  >(70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per
>  >100,000. England has strict gun control laws, ergo, the
>  >homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. However, such
>  >comparisons can be dangerous: In 1900, when England had no
>  >gun controls, the homicide rate was only 1.0 per 100,000.
>  >Moreover, using data through 1996, the U.S. Department of
>  >Justice study "Crime and Justice" concluded that in England
>  >the robbery rate was 1.4 times higher, the assault rate was
>  >2.3 times higher, and the burglary rate was 1.7 times higher
>  >than in the U.S. This suggests that lawfully armed citizens
>  >in the U.S. deter such crimes. Only the murder and rape
>  >rates in the U.S. were higher than in England. The small
>  >number of violent predators who commit most of these crimes
>  >in the U.S. have little trouble arming themselves
>  >unlawfully.
>  >The U.N. study omits mention of Switzerland, which is awash
>  >in guns and has substantially lower murder and robbery rates
>  >than England, where most guns are banned.
>  >Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office
>  >reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and
>  >102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of
>  >these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its
>  >population of seven million (including 1.2 million
>  >foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per
>  >100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted
>  >robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a
>  >robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes
>  >were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call
>  >"criminal tourists."
>  >Sometimes, the data sound too good to be true. In 1993, not
>  >a single armed robbery was reported in Geneva.
>  >No one seems to be looking at the Swiss example in the U.S.,
>  >however. Congress is stampeding to pass additional firearm
>  >restrictions in response to the events of April 20, when two
>  >students used guns and bombs to murder a dozen classmates
>  >and a teacher in Littleton, Colorado. Yet in 1996, a man who
>  >legally owned guns under England's strict regulations went
>  >on a rampage, murdering 16 children and a teacher in
>  >Dunblane, Scotland. Parliament then banned all handguns and
>  >most rifles.
>  >But there have been no school massacres in Switzerland,
>  >where guns and kids mix freely. At shooting matches,
>  >bicycles aplenty are parked outside. Inside the firing
>  >shelter, the competitors pay 12-year-olds tips to keep
>  >score. The 16-year-olds shoot rifles with men and women of
>  >all ages

[CTRL] [1] The Ohio Gang

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

An excerpt from:
The Ohio Gang
Charles L. Mee, Jr.©1981
M. Evans and Company, Inc.
216 East 49th Street
New York, New York 10017
ISBN 0-87131-340-5
218 pps — out-of-print/one edition
--[1]--
I.

The Handshake

IN MIDWEEK, THE last week of May 1921, Jess Smith stood talking to another
man just off Times Square, in the Astor Hotel lobby next to the entrance to
the American Indian dining room with its crossed spears, peace pipe,
snowshoes, horned headdress of a Tlingit chief, buffalo head, moose head. He
was forty-eight years old, tall and pigeon-toed, with a florid complexion,
heavy lips, black mustache, and loose, floppy cheeks, and he carried his head
slightly down, accenting his double chin, as he peered out the tops of his
round, owlish spectacles with shifty hazel eyes.

He was partial to diamond rings, although his favorite ring was one set with
two large rubles and a number of small diamonds. He liked to dress in
matching combinations: gray hat, gray tie flecked with lavender, gray gloves,
gray tweed suit, gray silk socks, and a gray handkerchief with handwoven gray
and lavender threads around the edges. One of his most memorable ensembles
was a white linen suit with a purple hatband, purple necktie, purple breast
pocket handkerchief, and purple silk socks.

When he talked, he sputtered, spraying any near him with saliva, so that
those who had no kind feeling for him resorted to the obvious joke behind his
back, "Here comes Jess. Get out your umbrella."

Before he entered a room, he would fix his tie, pull his vest down smartly,
set his cuffs just so, pat down his hair. He was a timid man; tears came to
his eyes easily; and he was terribly frightened of firearms.

He had been born in a small town, Washington Court House, Ohio, about thirty
miles south of Columbus. His father, a clerk in a dry goods store, died when
he was three years old, and his mother married again-both of her husbands
were named Smith-to a man who was elected sheriff of Fayette County at a time
when sheriffs legally pocketed their fees along with whatever else came their
way. As a child, Jess was never short of cash.

When he graduated from high school, a classmate described him this way: "He
is a great sport, takes in all the shows, goes to all the hops, and is a
ladies' man in general." After working as an apprentice for several years in
a dry goods store, he was set up in his own business by his family, and he
became known as the town's Beau Brummell, and no social occasion was felt to
be complete-no dance, dinner, or christening- until Jess had arrived in his
raiment. Women were said to be especially fond of him. He enjoyed fussing
over the right choice of clothes for his clients, and he loved gossip.

When he was in his mid-thirties, he fell in love with Roxy Stinson, the
beautiful, tall, redheaded, and thrillingly volatile daughter of Mrs. Eldora
Stinson, a widow who had moved to town to set up a conservatory of music on
the floor above Jess's dry goods store. In time, Jess married Roxy, to the
dismay of Jess's mother, who had to move out to a room in the Cherry Hotel on
Main Street. After a year and a half-mostly, it was said, because of the
trouble Jess's mother made, perhaps because Jess was impotent. Jess and Roxy
were divorced. Jess's mother moved back in with her son; and Jess and Roxy
resumed their friendship.

In the lobby of the Astor Hotel, Jess turned to greet William Orr and another
man who followed behind him. Orr, a slim, welldressed man in his late
thirties, former midwestern newspaperman, former city editor of the New York
Tribune, and former private secretary to Charles Whitman, the Republican
governor of New York, had fallen on hard times when the Democrats took over
New York with Al Smith. At the moment, he was between political appointments.

Orr introduced Jess to John Gorini of the Alps Drug Company, a pharmaceutical
establishment in Hell's Kitchen. With the recent passage of the Prohibition
laws, drug companies were required to obtain special permits in order to buy
alcohol for medicinal purposes. Gorini had applied for a permit to the
Prohibition director in New York to buy five hundred cases of liquor. For
some reason he had been turned down. Then a man unknown to him, a theatrical
agent, had phoned to suggest he get in touch with Bill Orr.

And so Bill Orr introduced Gorini to Jess Smith. They did not speak to one
another in the hotel lobby. No money passed between them. They shook hands,
Jess returned to his conversation, and the others went their way.

=

II.

The Little Green
House on K Street


ACCORDING TO THE butler, Jess Smith called two or three times a week at the
greenstone Victorian townhouse, with the little magnolia bush in the front
yard, on K Street in Washington. When Smith arrived, he would go directly to
a room where he could confer privately with Howard Mannington, a political
acquaintance from Columbus, Ohio.

Mannington, who had handled some of the smaller 

Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[nurev]

 -Caveat Lector-

"M.A. Johnson" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>I find libertarianism to be not only a flawed approach to
>political and social issues...but also a dangerous one.

Libertarianism is immature and unnatural. But is not really
dangerous at all. It is completely impotent politically and will
remain so for quite a while. Most people are not interested.

>  extension of logical fallacy
>
> MJ:
> I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.

If it walks like a duck...

I see your use of
> ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
> most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
> the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> Conservatism is sometimes a symptom of sterility.

Conservatism is a necessary part of a functional society. It provides
a base and continuity. It is only a problem when it becomes
permanently
entrenched.

> Those who
> have nothing in them that can grow and develop must cling to
> what they have in beliefs, ideas and possessions.

And that's OK. They usually wind up bitter & frustrated because change
is
inevitable.

> The sterile
> radical, too, is basically conservative. He is afraid to let
> go of the ideas and beliefs he picked up in his youth lest
> his life be seen as empty and wasted. -- Eric Hoffer

I'm a radical independent. Without radicals society could never move
forward. Stagnant societies simply fizzle out.

It 's the ones in the middle who have empty wasted lives. Moderates
Liberals, Libertarians and others. Once they reproduce, they become
shallow and empty. Consumers.

These are the people that capitalism loves. Dumb, brainwashed beasts
of the field.

These are not death sentences though. No one is compelled to stay in
any category except conservatives.


Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 6/6/99 8:58:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 6/6/99

 No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there
 always
 remains the deadly constants.

 1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes
 concentration
 of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and
 exploitation
 of society.

 2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the
 planet
 can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth.

 3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist
 can
 steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other.

 4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money.

 5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is
 wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists.

 Joshua2 >>



 A wonderfully refreshing, and oh so true, take on Capitalism...
 Thanks for the TRUTH!!!



 Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.

[nurev]

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6/6/99

No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there
always
remains the deadly constants.

1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes
concentration
of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and
exploitation
of society.

2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the
planet
can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth.

3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist
can
steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other.

4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money.

5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is
wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists.

Joshua2
=
"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> New York Times
> June 5, 1999
>
> Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thunder
> By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN
>
>  Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns,
>  thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand
>  of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices
>  and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed
>  every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more
>  than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of
>  individuals into serving the social good.
>
>  Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University,
>  wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth.
>  But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow.
>  Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of
>  competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of
>  collaboration among rivals.
>
>  Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas
>  into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold
>  rise in the living standards of American families over the last 100
>  years, he says in a new manuscript. Baumol's contribution is not to
>  emphasize the impact of innovation but to pinpoint how competition
>  forces companies to make innovation routine, much as marketing and
>  advertising are.
>
>  In Baumol's analysis, capitalism emerges as a system that hums
>  because it has figured out how to make innovation humdrum.
>
>  Baumol shows how companies pour money not only into their own
>  research and development but also into such operations by their
>  rivals. Yes, their rivals. Firms participate in joint ventures that
>  hire teams of researchers to develop technologies that the firms
>  will share. They also engage in the largely unrecognized practice
>  by which companies enter into technology-sharing compacts. Under
>  these compacts, a company like IBM writes contracts with
>  competitors, like Hitachi. The companies promise to license future
>  innovations to each other for a set fee. That way, if Hitachi comes
>  up with a spiffy next-generation disk drive, IBM is guaranteed the
>  right to incorporate Hitachi's new drive in its own computers.
>
>  It might seem odd for an economist like Baumol to herald
>  collaboration among potential competitors. By jumping into the arms
>  of rivals, companies appear to dull their incentive to innovate on
>  their own. After all, if they can imitate rivals, why bother to
>  innovate on one's own?
>
>  To understand Baumol's point, put yourself in the place of IBM. You
>  could try to piggyback off Hitachi's innovations, dismissing your
>  own engineers. But that strategy would collapse. At the very least,
>  you would be dishing out hundreds of millions of dollars each year
>  to rivals without getting anything in return. Worse, Hitachi would
>  soon drop the agreements, because they make sense only if it
>  expects to get about as many new products from IBM as it provides
>  to IBM.
>
>  Nor would it make economic sense to beef up your investment in
>  innovations without entering technology-sharing contracts. If four
>  or five of your major rivals share innovations among themselves,
>  then they will generate lots of ideas, drowning out the efforts of
>  your one research department. And anything you don't figure out on
>  your own will be offered to consumers by all your rivals. You
>  simply cannot afford to bear that risk. The compacts eliminate the
>  threat that a misstep in the technology race will drive you out of
>  business. Besides, Baumol says, the compacts generate licensing
>  fees that have become "a substantial business activity in itself."
>
>  Baumol's analysis makes a bigger point, far beyond the benefits and
>  costs to individual companies. Te

[CTRL] [Fwd: New Zealand experiment. NWO economics.]

[Anonymous]

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 Original Message 
Subject: New Zealand experiment. NWO economics.
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:44:27 -0700
From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Reference:

Dr. Jane Kelsey
Associate Professor of Law, The University of Auckland, New Zealand



LIFE IN THE ECONOMIC TEST-TUBE:
New Zealand "experiment" a colossal failure

New Zealand used to claim credit for being the birthplace of the
welfare state, for being the first
country to give women the vote, and for building a harmonious
multi-racial society.

Today, however, it is becoming infamous for what is known as the "New
Zealand experiment."
Economic theories which had never been tried, let alone proved,
anywhere else in the world became
New Zealand government policy--first at the hands of a Labour
government from 1984 to 1990, and
then continued with equal, if not greater, fervor by its National
government successor.

The "fundamentals"--market liberalization and free trade, limited
government, a narrow monetarist
policy, a deregulated labour market, and fiscal restraint--were taken
as "given," based on common
sense and beyond challenge. These radical policies were systematically
embedded against change.

This was a classic structural adjustment program of the kind
traditionally imposed on poorer
countries of the Third World by the International Monetary Fund and
the World Bank. New Zealand
did it voluntarily. The result is being promoted in New Zealand and
overseas as a model for the
developed countries of the OECD. But those governments and their
peoples need to look beyond
the "good news machine" and learn the real lessons of our last ten
years.

The economic deficit

This was no success story. For most of the decade New Zealand's
economy has faced stagnation or
recession. Between 1985 and 1992, OECD economies grew by an average
20%, while New
Zealand's economy shrank by 1% over the same period.

Other objective indicators show that, between 1984 and 1993,
productivity growth averaged around
0.9% a year, due mainly to labour cutbacks. Inflation averaged around
9% a year. Real interest rates
remained excessively high. Unemployment rose to unprecedented levels.
Net migration flows were
negative. Foreign debt quadrupled. New Zealand's credit rating was
downgraded twice. Investment
as a percentage of GDP halved, and spending on research and
development fell to half the OECD
average.

When New Zealand finally showed some signs of economic growth in 1993,
its "turnaround
economy" became the toast of the global economic community. Yet three
years into this
much-heralded recovery, some of the key indicators, such as public
debt, are just returning to their
pre-1984 levels. Others, such as unemployment, are nowhere near that.
Control of the country's vital
financial, energy, transport and communications infrastructure, and
much of its natural resource base,
is now in foreign or transnational hands.

While indicators like inflation and budget balance have improved, many
commentators believe the
country is significantly worse off than it would have been under a
different economic approach.
Moreover, a sustainable economy is far from guaranteed. In late 1995,
there were signs that the
economy was weakening once more. Job growth has slowed, real wages
continue to fall, the balance
of payments deficit has grown, and economic growth has been forced
back down to bring
"underlying" inflation within the Rserve Bank's goal.

The social deficit

Whatever the economic outcomes, the country and many of its people are
a great deal worse off.
Unemployment and poverty have become structural features of New
Zealand life. The Labour
government was responsible for the early decline, with rising
unemployment, failure to keep benefit
and family assistance in line with inflation, and favourable tax
treatment for the rich at the expense of
the poor.

Its National successor fuelled unemployment and deregulated the labour
market to force wage rates
down. It slashed benefit levels and tightened eligibility criteria,
imposed new user charges, and
suspended inflation-indexing for family assistance and income support.

There is no doubt that poverty and inequality have increased. The
number of New Zealanders
estimated to be living in poverty grew by at least 35% between 1989
and 1992, so that, by 1993,
one in six New Zealanders was considered to be living in poverty.

Even if unemployment returns to the level of the mid-1980s--still very
high by New Zealand's
historical standards--poverty and hardship are expected to remain
about the same. This doesn't seem
to concern the government. Cabinet Minister Bill Birch admitted that
income disparities "are
widening, and they will widen much more. That doesn't worry me."

New Zealand is now a deeply divided society. Hundreds of thousands of
individuals, their families
and communities have endured a decade of unrelenting hardship. The
burden fell most heavily o

[CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: KN4M 06-06-99]

[Dr Byron Weeks]

Another NAZI hoax, the Bilderberg Conference:



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Dear friends,

I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated on
this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The
material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact
material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close
links to big business.

The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is a
sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false idea
but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's genocide of
the Jewish people.

 I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the
material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more than
possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only warning
them and the list in general about the original source of much of this
material:

A member of this list, Javier, (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posted on 26 May 1999
a message (title - Fw: <.nettime> Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an
apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to
take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His post
consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we have
chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be
protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit.

Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is
quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight is
published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key figure
Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any major
anti-fascist organisation.

Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest List'
While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the
world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair, etc, it
also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear that
the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers of such a
Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors, billiionaire Warren
Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong way round,
one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written next to it and
King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with the comment in
brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to believe that this is
an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world domination drawn
up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have inside information, then
we need to ask several questions.

Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like Warren
Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left- of -centre
Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to rule the
world?

Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this list,
and virtually no academics from any other countries?

Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives  from top multinationals who
are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the non-Jewish
heads of these businesses?

Andreas Rockstein of the J18 list answered my call for more info by directing
me to the website www.bilderberg.org. When you go there you will see it is
part of a large site run by Tony Gosling, who is apparently a former British
Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) man now into alternative Christianity. He has
much material re the 'Bilderberg Conference' on his site. At a quick glance I
noticed  he states himself that many of the sources of his list of info links
on 'Bilderberg' are nazi sources, but warns us not to dismiss their
authenticity of their information for that reason. He refers to questions
being raised in the British Parliament demanding the truth re this
Conference. In fact the MP who raised the question, according to his own
quoted material, is Nicholas Winterton, a far-right Tory MP, well-known for
his extremely racist attitude to Black people.

Other material there is from Norris McWhirter, a far-right political figure
with very extensive

Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[M.A. Johnson]

 -Caveat Lector-

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 A man or woman's character is meaningless in America.  It
 is the possession of wealth that matters.  Of course, you
 or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
 part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the basis
 of material possessions: the clothes one wears, the car one
 drives, the house one lives in.
MJ:
Fallacy of ad hoc, gross generalization and wild ass guess.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
WHy do I believe that?   Well, I've lived in California,
Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington and North
Dakota. In my own experience, it is money that talks,
bullshit that walks.
MJ:
Fallacy of anecdotal evidence.



William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
  There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who
  work hard, struggle against incredible odds to provide for
  their families, and in this country, they go unrecognized
  and unrewarded.  Do you think Americans care about these
  honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
  Not really.

  No.  Americans are interested in and fascinated by those
  who possess wealth... and as a society, we encourage our
  children to "get up there" by whatever means necessary,
  so that they won't have to know the day-to-day indignities
  of what it's like to be poor.

  To be poor and without property in a society that worships
  property and possessions means that your life is at the
  disposal of others.  So, if you lack property, and your
  mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell whatever you
  can to survive.  Well, what can be sold?  Talents, skills,
  labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson.  In Thailand,
  poor moms and dads sell their female children to brothels.
MJ:
Nice emotive speech, but what has it to do with reality?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in
 order to survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that
 the majority of those who sell themselves are VERY interested
 in doing anything and everything to make their masters happy.

 Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
 have, become less important in the struggle for survival.

 Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
 all social classes.  Remember the success of the Godfather
 movie?  The line between criminal and legal behavior is a
 fine one... many saw the Corleone family as
heroesmisunderstood
 entrepeneurs who were only supplying people with what they want.

 And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought
 and sold in the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold
 by those who DO have the money.  The transformation of human
 beings into things bothers me... SOmehow, I don't find it
 inspiring.

  Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
  nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about
  reducing human beings down to the level of objects.  And
  there is something fundamentally wrong about a society that
  values money more than they value the wellbeing of their own
  children.

  I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the
  poor and the problems of poor children, we would change our
  priorities.  But that's not likely, is it?

MJ:
Not certain where you are driving this bus ... call me stupid, but
can you reduce this diatrible into a two or three sentence assertion?

Regard$,
--MJ

I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and
yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish
to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his
back.  -- Leo Tolstoy

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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[M.A. Johnson]

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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Adam Smith recognized that there were some services which
the "free market" cannot provide for citizens.
MJ:
What has Adam Smith to do with anything?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Please clarify your position.  Are you against All taxes?
MJ:
No.

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
   You would like to abolish the government altogether..or
   just eliminate those programs that you think are forms
   of "stealing"?
MJ:
No government, Anarchy, would tend toward endless gang warfare.
I do NOT wish to abolish government.



William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Since "government theft" seems to be an integral concept
in your philosophy, please expand on this.  Just exactly
what do you mean.
MJ:
Government theft is an integral part of reality.
My philosophy is built upon the subjagation of might to the
individual's RIGHT to his OWN life (natural rights).  I
favor/affirm/support/endorse liberty, freedom and equality.


Regard$,
--MJ

no snappy quote so as to avoid confusion

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A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there
is no more effective way to limit thought than to
control the language itself.  By changing definitions
of words through continual association, any serious
discussion involving the concepts that the words
represents becomes hopelessly muddled.
The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately
comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell

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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[M.A. Johnson]

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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander
 Spooner, Thomas Sowell with frequency, the connection
 with libertarianism is rather obvious, isn't it?

MJ:
These persons are liberals and possibly libertarians in
the loose sense but certainly NOT Libertarians.

This does NOT change *my* words into theirs nor is it logically
acceptable to make attempts at such.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy
 are NOT shaped by libertarian thought?

MJ:
Actually moreso by 'trial and error', examination, reasoning
and looking at reality.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for
your erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how
tolerant you are of individuals who do not share your
philosophical perspective.


ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
Argumentum ad Hominem is literally "argument directed at
the man".
The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when,
instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion,
the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion.
This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not
depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Examine your statement below: because I disagree with you,
I am characterized by you as being afraid of "liberty,
freedom and equality."  But you also go further: presumably,
by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave,"
and benefit from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack
on me
MJ:
Actually, pointing at reality.
If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
trying on shoes for fit).

(snipped for brevity)
 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
 I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian.  I see your use of
 ad hominem and the straw man run deep.  I do, however, realize
 most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
 the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.


Regard$,
 --MJ

There are mighty few people who think what they think they
think.  -- Robert Henri

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

[William Shannon]

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Jesus Christ Andy, a little levity never hurt anyone


Bill.

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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 6, 1999

[CobolMage]

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for June 6, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
 AANEWS
  #583 ~~ 6/6/99
http://www.atheists.org
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   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
   "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
And The Separation Of State and Church"
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  In This Issue...
   * Robertson deal goes bust
   * Priest behind anti-Springer effort.  "Jerry!  Jerry!  Jerry!"
   * Atheist Protests Ft. Worth commemoration
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   ROBERTSON TO NET UP TO $50 MILLION AS BANK OF SCOTLAND
  DEAL COLLAPSES
   Televangelist May Face Pressure At Laura Ashley

A planned financial deal between the Bank of Scotland and Christian
Coalition founder Pat Robertson collapsed on Friday, as bank officials
announced that they were withdrawing from the proposed joint venture
due to remarks the televangelist made concerning gays, ethnic
minorities and other groups.

Robertson and the BOS had agreed to enter into an electronic banking
enterprise which financial sources described as "worth billions of
dollars."  But in recent weeks, as word of Robertson's background
spread, human rights, religious and other groups pressured the bank to
sever its ties with the controversial American preacher.  Events
reached the breaking point last week following remarks Robertson made
on his "700 Club" television show claiming that Scotland was a "dark
place" overrun by powerful homosexuals.

Word of the pending collapse of the Robertson-BOS arrangement began
percolating through financial circles and the media early last week.
On Friday, Bank of Scotland's chief executive, Peter Burt held a
meeting with Robertson and his representatives in Boston.  Most
reports suggest that the bank had decided to dissolve its deal with
Robertson on Tuesday night, amidst growing threats of customer
withdrawals and a drop in the bank's stock exchange performance.

After a six hour conference, the Bank issued a brief statement on
Saturday noting, "Dr.  Pat Robertson and Peter Burt, following a
meeting in Boston yesterday (Friday), agreed that the changed external
circumstances made the proposed joint venture between Robertson
Financial Services (RFS) and Bank of Scotland unfeasible...In reaching
this agreement Dr.  Robertson expressed regret that media comments
about him had made it impossible to proceed."

As of Sunday afternoon, there has been official statement from
Robertson.

But while critics say that Bank of Scotland must now begin repairing
its tarnished image resulting from the failed deal, there is new
controversy over how much money Robertson may recoup.  The Observer
newspaper of Britain reports in this morning's edition, "The bank must
pay Robertson more than 10 million (Pounds -- about $16 million) for
calling off the deal to set up a US telephone banking network..."  It
is believed that Robertson invested somewhere around $12,500,000 for a
25% share of the action.  The Daily Telegraph newspaper mentions a
higher figure, though, of "up to" 30 millions pounds, or roughly $48
million, but seems to be basing that number on what it projected as a
substantially higher investment by Robertson.  CNN is reporting that
the Bank of Scotland "would buy out Robertson's stake in the venture,
believed to be worth about $50 million," adding that "Bank officials
would not discuss details of the agreement."

A figure of between $9 million and $16 million is reported by the
London Sunday Times, while the latest BBC postings do not give a
specific figure.

Whatever the compensation Robertson might receive, though, opponents
saw their campaign to end the BOS meet with resounding success.  The
Scottish Trade Union Congress had threatened to switch the business of
its 100,000 member-strong organization who use a bank affinity card.
Other human rights and advocacy groups, including the Lothian Council,
were contemplating similar action; and already, the bank had lost an
estimated 400 to 500 smaller individual accounts in protest of its
association with Pat Robertson.


Assessing the deal, an anonymous Bank official told CNN, "our marriage
was short and unhappy."  Tim Hopkins of the Equality network, a human
rights group based in Edinburgh, remarked, "It's very, very
unfortunate that he (Robertson) is ending up pocketing 18 million
(Pounds) which he can now use to promote his politics -- although
better that than 25% of future profits.  He added that Bank of
Scotland must now rebuild its reputation with the community, adding,
"It seems it was OK to badmouth minorities, but what made the
difference to the bank was when Robertson started attacking Scotland."

In covering this latest phase of the Robertson-BOS deal, The Observer
newspaper repeated its allegation that the bank wa

Re: [CTRL] CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR

[Andrew Hennessey]

 -Caveat Lector-

In the week that Pat Robertson was cut off by the Bank of Scotland for
calling Scotland a Dark Land controlled by homosexuals, the youth fashion
store called TOP MAN in Edinburgh, Scotlands Capital sports two male window
dummies wearing skirts ... is this some mistake I wonder - then I see that
these swish numbers are the latest male fashion called 'Sarongs'.
The kids don't know 'whats a wrong from a wright'.
Teletubbies and gay camp are all over TV teaching the next generation of
children how not to breed.
Now before you call me homophobic - I have many friends who are gay and
they are all brilliant well balanced special people, but,
There is something insidious about current television programming, from
soaps to documentaries targetting the young aimed at directly interfering
with gender choices and life choices in the UK.
British television is so consumed with bias towards a Gay state of being
that it appears to abandon the joys of being anything else.

Andrew Hennessey
Transformation Studies Group
Edinburgh   Scotland

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

[Andrew Hennessey]

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Excuse me guys, aren't we being a bit blase and insulting to a guy that
believes he has had a hard time - then was implanted.
Not with breasts - like pamela anderson but with material science and law
can establish as prejudical to a normal life.
Whatever it may be claimed that implants do or do not do, there are very
substantial problems recorded from being so victimised.
You people seem to continue the pattern of victimisation with your mocking.

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] New world order and E.L.F. psychotronic tyranny

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.totse.com/files/FA012/elfnwo.htm
http://www.totse.com/files/FA012/elfnwo.htm">&TOTSE - New world
order and E.L.F. psychotroni

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New world order and E.L.F. psychotronic tyranny


NEW WORLD ORDER E.L.F. PSYCHOTRONIC TYRANNY
By: C.B. Baker YOUTH ACTION NEWSLETTER ISSUED DECEMBER 1994
In his September 21, 1992 speech to the United Nations, President George
Bush announced that foreign troops, would occupy America and train for a
New World Order Army. He stated:

"Nations should develop and train military units for possible U.N.
peacekeeping operations. ... If multinational units are to work
together, they must train together. ... Effective multinational action
will also require coordinated command & control and inter-operability of
both equipment and communications."

"...WE MUST CHANGE OUR NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS if we are to change our
international relations. ... THE UNITED STATES IS PREPARING TO MAKE
AVAILABLE OUR BASES AND FACILITIES FOR MULTI-NATION TRAINING AND FIELD
EXERCISES. One such base, with facilities is Fort Dix, N.J."

President Bill Clinton has continued and expanded George Bush's
surrender-America policy. As a result, increasing numbers of foreign
troops, including Russian Spetsnaz, along with vast amounts of foreign
military equipment are now entering the United States to serve as a U.N.
OCCUPATION force.

On May 3, 1994, President Clinton signed an Executive Order Presidential
Decision Directive (originally numbered PPD-13, later changed to PPD-25)
that places U.S. troops under U.N. command and abolished the law
limiting the number of U.S. troops that can be committed to the U.N.
without approval of Congress.

PPD-25 also created special funding for U.N. peacekeeping and occupation
forces, that permits an UNLIMITED drain upon the U.S. Treasury. American
Tax payers will be forced to pay any amount demanded by the U.N.
occupation forces.

The Judas attitude of the Administration is symbolized in an article
written by Bill Clinton's very close friend, Deputy Secretary of State
Strobe Talbott, titled: "The Birth of the Global Nation." Talbott
strongly attacked American national sovereignty, stating: "NATIONAL AS
WE KNOW IT WILL BE OBSOLETE: ALL STATES WILL RECOGNIZE A SINGLE, GLOBAL"
(666) "AUTHORITY," (7\20/92 Time Magazine).

Acting under U.N. occupation orders, U.S. military and national guard
forces are now being trained to attack civilians in this country. In
Alaska, contingents of Russian military OCCUPATION FORCES are reported
to have already landed. State and Federal forces, have begun
house-to-house surveys, looking for gun collectors and checking
attitudes for possible patriotic resistance.

A number of citizens have already been illegally detained. The 10\14\94
WASHINGTON TIMES reported that U.S. Marines in California had to fill
out a "Combat Arms Survey" that asked 39 questions about attitude to
determine if AMERICAN MARINES WERE WILLING TO SERVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER
TRAITORS AND FIGHT AGAINST THEIR OWN FELLOW CITIZENS.


Marines were asked to give their attitudes on the treason statement: "I
am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which
maintain world peace and EVERY Nation's way of life. I am prepared to
give my life in their service." The last item on the survey asked the
Marines' attitude about the statement: "I WOULD FIRE UPON U.S. CITIZENS,
WHO REFUSED OR RESIST CONFISCATION OF FIREARMS BANNED BY THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT."

As more Russian and United Nations occupation troops enter the United
States, the White House is expecting strong resistance from loyal
Americans. To QUIETLY suppress these patriotic fighters, President
Clinton is getting help from the old Soviet KGB.

Moscow is now supplying Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno with a
whole new class of weapons, that will be specifically TARGETED AGAINST
AMERICAN CIVILIANS.

The controlled U.S. media has labeled these so-called "NON-LETHAL
WEAPONS." A close inspection of the facts about these new anti-civilian
devices, reveals that they are SOVIET PSYCHOTRONIC WEAPONS, which are
very dangerous and they can also be extremely lethal. The 3\1\93 issue
of Time Magazine reported: "American and Russians are discovering common
interest...MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY. Former KGB General George Kotov has
told American visitors about Russian (KGB) research into 'acoustic
psycho-correction.' The process involves transmitting commands into the
subconscious of targeted victims through static or white-noise bands.

The Jan. 11-17, 1993 issue of DEFENSE NEWS reported that U.S. political
and military officials are obtaining Soviet mind-control technology. The
Soviet KGB "capability, demonstrated in a series of laboratory
experiments dating back to the mid-1970's, could be used to suppress
riots, CONTROL DISSIDENTS, demoralize or disable opposing forces and
enhance the performance of friendly special operations teams, sources
say."

"Pioneered by the government-funded Department of Psych

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[Kris Millegan]

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Thanks to Robin Ramsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of Lobster Magazine for
the following.


Dear friends,

I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated on
this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The
material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact
material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close
links to big business.

The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is a
sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false idea
but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's genocide of
the Jewish people.

 I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the
material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more than
possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only warning
them and the list in general about the original source of much of this
material:

A member of this list, Javier, (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posted on 26 May 1999
a message (title - Fw: <.nettime> Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an
apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to
take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His post
consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we have
chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be
protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit.

Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is
quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight is
published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key figure
Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any major
anti-fascist organisation.

Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest List'
While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the
world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair, etc, it
also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear that
the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers of such a
Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors, billiionaire Warren
Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong way round,
one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written next to it and
King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with the comment in
brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to believe that this is
an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world domination drawn
up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have inside information, then
we need to ask several questions.

Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like Warren
Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left- of -centre
Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to rule the
world?

Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this list,
and virtually no academics from any other countries?

Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives  from top multinationals who
are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the non-Jewish
heads of these businesses?

Andreas Rockstein of the J18 list answered my call for more info by directing
me to the website www.bilderberg.org. When you go there you will see it is
part of a large site run by Tony Gosling, who is apparently a former British
Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) man now into alternative Christianity. He has
much material re the 'Bilderberg Conference' on his site. At a quick glance I
noticed  he states himself that many of the sources of his list of info links
on 'Bilderberg' are nazi sources, but warns us not to dismiss their
authenticity of their information for that reason. He refers to questions
being raised in the British Parliament demanding the truth re this
Conference. In fact the MP who raised the question, according to his own
quoted material, is Nicholas Winterton, a far-right Tory MP, well-known for
his extremely racist attitude to Black people.

Other material there is from Norris McWhirter, a far-right political figure
with very extensive links to big business. There is also a link 

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: violence study

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
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===
For release: June 4, 1999
===
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Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
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New study of entertainment industry
attacks consumers' right to choose

WASHINGTON, DC -- A new federal commission that will study
whether entertainment companies market violence to children is a case of
"intimidation by bureaucrats" and almost certainly won't accomplish
anything useful, the Libertarian Party said today.

"America already has a mechanism to protect children against
violent entertainment: It's called parents," said Steve Dasbach, the
Libertarian Party's national director. "It's unlikely that a handful of
bureaucrats will be as effective as tens of millions of concerned
parents."

This week, President Bill Clinton announced that the federal
government will spend $1 million to study the marketing strategies of
movie, music, and video game companies.

The study, launched in the wake of the Columbine High School
massacre and growing national concern about violence and children, will be
conducted by the Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department. The
commission will have the power to issue subpoenas, and will study whether
entertainment companies "improperly" market violent materials to children.

But while concern about the effects of violent entertainment on
children is legitimate, spending tax dollars so bureaucrats can "study"
the issue isn't, said Dasbach.

"This is a case of the government targeting an unpopular
industry, and using intimidation by bureaucrats to put the squeeze on the
First Amendment," he said. "These studies -- and the threat of federal
regulation -- are what elitist politicians do when ordinary people don't
behave like politicians think they should.

"Remember, Americans already have complete control over the
content of video games, movies, and music: If they don't like it, they
don't buy it. And if they think it's not appropriate for their children,
they don't buy it for their children.

"The fact that Americans spent $5.5 billion on video games and
$6.9 billion on movie tickets last year suggests that they are happy with
what the entertainment industry is providing. This commission of
Washington, DC insiders may pretend they are investigating the
entertainment industry, but they're really targeting consumers and their
freedom to choose."

Libertarians also assume the study won't accomplish anything
useful, said Dasbach.

"Whatever recommendations the commission makes probably won't be
effective -- and may even make the problem worse," he predicted.

For example, he noted, after the federal government mandated a
prime-time TV ratings system in 1997, sexual content on the major networks
jumped by 42% and offensive language shot up by 30%.

Ironically, some experts suggested the ratings themselves were to
blame for the increase in sex, violence, and cursing. For example, Brent
Bozell, chairman of the Parents Television Council, said that networks
"would insert edgier content into their shows and justify insertions by
pointing out that attached ratings warned the audience it was coming."

"Usually when the government gets involved, the problem seems to
get worse," noted Dasbach. "If you think entertainment is violent now,
just wait until federal bureaucrats get their hands on it."

And Libertarians have one final question about the study, said
Dasbach: Why is Bill Clinton, the nation's most aggressive purveyor of
real death, violence, and destruction, launching a study of fictionalized
violence?

"Are we Libertarians the only ones to notice the irony here?" he
asked. "Bill Clinton, with his bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, caused
children to be blown to bits in hospitals, blasted old people in
retirement homes, massacred motorists on a busy bridge, rained missiles on
refugee families, killed innocent Chinese civilians in their embassy, and
cut off electricity to hospitals and schools.

"And talk about marketing violence: Clinton has 'sold' this war in
speeches, via film clips of missile strikes and smart bomb attacks,
saturation coverage on CNN, and through the massive, tax-funded PR machine
of the federal government.

"For Bill Clinton -- a man with the bl

[CTRL] Whose Turn To Pay?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

<>


>From TheIndependent(UK)


> 
>
> The Balkans Truce - MoD and Treasury row over who pays
>
> By Andrew Grice, Political Editor
>
>
>
>
>
> A dispute has broken out between the Defence Ministry and the Treasury
> over who should pick up the bill for Britain's military operations
> during the Kosovo crisis.
>
> George Robertson, Defence Secretary, says his stretched budget should
> be given a special top-up from the Treasury's £1.2bn "reserve kitty"
> to fund its work in the Balkans. But the Treasury insists the MoD
> meets a significant part of the spending from its own resources. So
> far the only costs disclosed by the Government are £40m for
> humanitarian relief and £37m for military operations. However, these
> figures exclude the cost of bombs dropped during the 10-week air
> campaign, which is expected to take the MoD's bill to more than £200m.
>
>
> Ministers say the military spending already incurred will be "peanuts"
> compared to the amounts Britain will have to contribute towards the
> cost of rebuilding the Balkans. The European Commission has estimated
> reconstruction costs at up to £3.9bn a year for five years. EU leaders
> are divided over whether the money should come from the EU's existing
> funds or whether member-states should make top-up payments.
>
> The Government may ask other countries to meet a higher share of the
> burden than Britain, on grounds that its 13,000 troops being sent to
> the region will play the leading role in enforcing the peace
> settlement accepted by President Milosevic last week.
>
> The long-term presence of British servicemen in Kosovo will fuel the
> row between the the MoD and the Treasury. A Treasury source dismissed
> the MoD's request for its extra costs to be met from the Government's
> reserve fund as "a try-on". He added: "If the armed services are not
> there to fight a war, what are they there for? It is misleading to
> suggest that all the costs incurred are extra."
>
> The Treasury is also unsympathetic to Mr Robertson's bid because, it
> claims, the MoD rejected its advice by refusing to set up a reserve
> kitty within its £22.3bn-a-year budget. The war in the Balkans also
> threatens to provoke a long-term battle over the level of defence
> spending. MoD officials believe they will need a bigger budget for
> Britain to play its part in Nato's role as a "world policeman".
>
> But Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, believes there is scope to secure a
> further "peace dividend" following the end of the Cold War. He sought
> £2bn of defence cuts during last year's strategic defence review, but
> had to settle for £500m after Tony Blair backed Mr Robertson.
>
> Yesterday Mr Blair hinted that he might side with his Chancellor in
> the battle over the cost of military operations in Kosovo. Asked on
> BBC TV's Breakfast with Frost programme whether the Treasury would
> foot the bill, Mr Blair replied: "Not necessarily".
>
> The Prime Minister insisted that the Government did not yet know how
> much it had spent during the Kosovo crisis. He said countries such as
> Macedonia, Albania, Romania and Bulgaria would would also need
> financial aid. "It is worth making that investment rather than coming
> back again and having to spend billions on fighting another conflict
> because we haven't given them the proper chance to rebuild
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[CTRL] NewAus US Report

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Couldn't pass it up ...

>From www.newaus.com.au/USReport.html

New Australian


> it like it isThe New Australian
>
>
> Clinton's hollow Serbian 'victory'
>
>
> By James Henry
> No. 122,   7-13 June 1999
>
> The first thing to note about NATO's alleged victory is that Clinton
> is not crowing. Why? Could it be that this a smoke-and-mirrors
> victory? The kind that will allow Clinton and Blair to save their
> faces, despite the huge cost in terms of materiel and dollars, not to
> mention America's credibility. Let me cast my readers' mind back to
> past articles. When this fiasco started I stated that Milosevic will
> hold out until he thinks he has achieved his objective and will then
> talk turkey about peace terms. It looks very much as if this is what
> he has done.
>
> I also wrote what if "victory is achieved — so what? Milosevic will
> still be in Belgrade enjoying Russian and Chinese support as well as a
> great deal of local support due to nationalist feelings while Kosovo
> will be literally prostrate; Montenegro will be in a parlous position,
> Macedonia will need a great deal of aid and Orthodox Greece will be
> deeply disturbed. Where will all of this leave the Kosovar refugees?
> Still refugees, that's what." Well, that's what it looks like to me
> right now. The situation now leaves Milosevic in the peculiar position
> of being able to claim victory. And if Serbia gains control of Kosovo
> this will be the case. Let us not forget, regardless of Clinton's
> media barrage, that Kosovo is a historical part of Serbia and that it
> was never part of NATO's intention to cleave it off. Even Clinton and
> Blair knew that an 'independent' Kosovo could blow up in their faces.
> Moreover, they know that even if Milosevic is replaced the situation
> will remain essentially unaltered.
>
> Initially Clinton and Blair had demanded the virtual surrender of
> Serbia. NATO troops were to have complete and unhindered access to its
> territory and facilities. To rub it in, NATO was to control Kosovo and
> its personnel were to "be immune from all legal process, whether
> civil, administrative, or criminal." It is no longer doubted in most
> quarters that NATO's demands were deliberately made to be unacceptable
> to Belgrade.
>
> After 71 days of bombing, Serbia promises to withdraw troops but (and
> this is a big but) NATO will not control the province or have access
> to Serbia willy-nilly. The Province will be 'controlled' by a
> multinational peacekeeping force, a member of which will be Russia. So
> Russian troops, which are Serbia's de facto allies, will be helping to
> maintain order in Kosovo. In other words, what were once considered
> essential parts of NATO's demands have now been abandoned. In the
> meantime, the presence of Russian troops will reinforce Moscow's
> influence in the region. And make no mistake about it — the Russians
> will play the Orthodox card for all its worth. No wonder Clinton's not
> smiling.
>
> Another thing that is lurking at the bottom of his sewer-like mind is
> the cost of the war, including rebuilding Serbia and Kosovo. Estimates
> put this well in excess of $30 billion dollars. And why? Because
> little Miss Triggerhappy Albright convinced the Artful Draft-Dodger
> that Milosevic would cave in within days. Of course, this $30 billion
> does not include policing the area or relocating refugees who are
> understandably reluctant to trust their future to Serbian politicians.
>
>
> The region has been a political blight on Europe's underbelly for
> centuries. Clinton and the rest of his bomb-happy social democratic
> buddies have made sure it will stay that way for a long time to come.
> In the meantime, expect John Doe to pick up the tab.
>
> I would like to end with a comment on Blair's mates. The rabid Robin
> Cook, Britain's Foreign Secretary, is screaming for Milosevic's head.
> The same Cook that had Pinochet arrested but refused to support the
> arrest of that well-known anti-American drug-running and trainer of
> internationalist terrorists, Fidel Castro. Is that because members of
> the Blair government, like Mandelson, are known Castro supporters,
> including Cook?
>
> The New Australian


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>From www.newaus.com.au/upfront.html


> The New Australian
> 
> --
> --
>
>
> Left-wing economic illiterate
> screws up on unemployment
>
>
> By Gerard Jackson
> No. 122,   7-13 June 1999
>
> Without a shadow of a doubt intellectual standards have collapsed at
> Murdoch's Australian. They were never much to write about in years
> gone by but now they are "truly appalling". (The editor-in-chief,
> David Armstrong, complained to me in a rather arrogant letter that he
> considered my use of the term "truly appalling" to be an "extravagant
> violence of the language". No wonder standards are lousy.) What
> brought this on was the usual left-wing garbage that has come to
> dominate the Focus section of the paper, especially since the
> socialist-minded Rosemary Neill1 became its editor. This time it was
> the equally socialist-minded Anne Mann who, like Neill, has absolutely
> nothing of value to say on the subject of economics. Unfortunately,
> neither common sense nor economic illiteracy has stopped them from
> writing economic inanities.
>
> This week (5/6) Mann was drawing outrageous comparisons with the
> plight of today's unemployed with those during the Great Depression.
> She then continued with the nonsense that unemployment in areas like
> Greater Dandenong are the result of restructuring. Now every economy
> is in a continuous state of restructuring, by which I mean companies
> are always altering production and investment in response to changes
> in demand, taxes, interest rates, technology, prices, consumer
> preferences, etc. Countries that don't do this end up as poverty
> ridden slag heaps. That changes in production brings about changes in
> the pattern of employment should go without saying, except when your
> dealing with the likes of Mann. But where markets are allowed to clear
> large scale unemployment does not emerge.2 In short, unemployment does
> not become a problem.
>
> What Mann describe was persistent widespread unemployment. This is
> always caused by the over pricing of labour. (This is an economic fact
> that the Focus section has never published, though it has published
> plenty of anti-market rubbish.) Our unemployment problem, therefore,
> has nothing to do with "winners" grabbing it all, Miss Mann, but with
> unions successfully sabotaging the labour markets. In support of her
> ignorant claims she wheeled out Professor Gregory who seems to have
> made a profession out of denying the existence of economic laws.3
> Though Gregory refuses to condemn job-destroying union practices he
> has never actually said sound economics is wrong about the cause of
> widespread unemployment — he just chooses to ignore it. To put it
> bluntly, Gregory has been discredited. Despite this, or perhaps
> because of it, left-wing journalists still refer to him as an
> authority.
>
> Mann complained about the fall in full-time work and the rise in
> casual work. In an economy where labour is overpriced not only does
> 'permanent' unemployment emerge but so does suboptimal employment in
> the form of casual work. In other words, over-pricing labour forces
> much of it into less favourable employment. Yet instead of damning the
> unions for this she mouths of about so-called "restructuring". America
> has 4.3 per cent unemployment with only 16 per cent in casual
> employment. Moreover, America's participation rate is about 76 per
> cent compared with our 65 per cent. Imagine our official unemployment
> rate if our participation rate rose to the American level. Are these
> facts referred to? Not on your life. The last thing left-wingers like
> Mann want to do is draw attention to America's employment record. God
> forbid we had an informed debate on the subject.
>
> She complains that low-paid entry jobs for the poor are drying up and
> this is caused (you guessed it) by "restructuring". These jobs have
> not dried up as such. They have been priced out of existence. Young
> people are not being hired because the value of their services is
> lower than the cost of hiring them. To support her contention she
> referred to Bob Birrell from Monash University who made the absurd
> claim that entry level jobs into the labour markets demand higher
> skills, hence there is a mismatch between skills and jobs. Utter
> claptrap. Once again, it only appears this way because low-paid entry
> jobs have been destroyed by the kind of anti-social wage-fixing
> policies that the likes of Mann, Gregory, Birrell, etc, support.
> Moreover, the thought that mismatches between available skills and the
> demand for labor could cause persistent widespread unemployment is
> completely absurd.
>
> She finished, not unexpectedly, with praise for Kim Beazley, leader of
> the Australian labor Party and a strong supporter of the policies that
> have created so much unemployment.
>
> Regardless of what the mindless Miss Mann says, this is not a "wi

[CTRL] Non-Intervention

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From www.antiwar.com/why.html

At the site, each named organisation or person represents a link to
some words about the subject at hand ...

> Why we oppose US/NATO
> intervention in Kosovo:
>
> Diane Abbott | Thomas Abraham | Academy for Peace | Accuracy in Media
> | Michael Allen | Michael Albert | Crown Prince Alexander | Tariq Ali
> | Brenda Almond | American Friends Service Committee | American Legion
> | The American Spectator | Michael Andersen | Branislav Andjelic |
> Anglican Church of Canada | Stephen Archer | Gerald Atkinson | Praful
> Bakshi | Doug Bandow | Rep. Bob Barr | Bill Bathman | Jan Baughman |
> Art Bell | Martin Bell, MP | Belgrade Center for Human Rights | James
> Bissett | Trim Bissill | Michael Bliss | Samuel Blumenfeld | Alan Bock
> | Boston Globe | Linda Bowles | R.W. Bradford | Phil Brennan | Richard
> Brookheiser | Harry Browne | Pat Buchanan | Budapest Sun | John
> Buehrens | Jane Cadarette | Rep. Tom Campbell | Canadian Auto Workers
> | Canadian Council of Churches | Ted Galen Carpenter | Gerald Carroll
> | James Carroll | Jimmy Carter | John Casey | Cato Institute | Jane
> Chaderette | Jim Chapman | Steve Chapman | Mona Charen | Chattanooga
> Times & Free Press | Linda Chavez | Viktor Chernomyrdin | Chicago
> Tribune | Noam Chomsky | Chronicles Magazine | Jan Cienski | Citizen
> Soldier | Citizens for Honest Goverment | Alan Clark | Ramsey Clark |
> Jonathan Clarke | Sen. Max Cleland | Alexander Cockburn | Andrew
> Cockburn | Raymond Coffey | Nick Cohen | Max Coker | Charles Colson |
> Committee for Peace in the Balkans | Committee to Protect Journalists
> | Conservative Caucus | Peter Coombes | Rupert Cornwell | John Corry |
> CounterPunch | Stephen Cox | Guy Curtis | Glynn Custred | The Daily
> Republican | Tam Dalyell | Uri Dan | Gilles d'Aymery | Democratic
> Party of Serbia | Gary Dempsey | Detroit News | Bob Djurdjevic | John
> Doggett | William Dorich | Dulles Area National Organization for Women
> | Steve Dunleavy | Eagle Forum | Ecoological Villager's Alliance |
> Barbara Ehrenreich | Vincent Scotti Eirene | Jean Beshke Elshtain |
> Todd Emoff | Paul Erdman | Michael Evans | The Exile | Jonathan Eyal |
> Family Research Council | Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting | Joseph
> Farah | Steve Farrell | Don Feder | Federalist Digest | Fellowship of
> Reconciliation | David Fenniaro | Thomas Fleming | Florida Times-Union
> | Cecil Foster | Kerry Fox | Andre Gunther Frank | David Frum | Steven
> Gan | Amulya Ganguli | Eric Garris | Marcus Gee | Jack Germond |
> Joseph Gerson | Nick Gillespie | Global Intellegence Update | Lorrie
> Goldstein | Craig Goodrich | Richard Gott | Grandmothers for Peace
> International | Mark Green | Green Party | William Norman Grigg | Jean
> Grossholtz | Richard Gwyn | Phillip Hammond | Bob Harris | Tom Hayden
> | Jeremy Hardy | Owen Harries | Bob Harris | Michael Harris | David
> Hartsough | Robert Hayden | Paul Hein | James Henry | Nat Hentoff |
> Edward Herman | James Hill | James Hirsen | Randolph Holhut | Denis
> Horgan | David Horowitz | Arianna Huffington | Bill Hughes | Mick Hume
> | Charles Hunter | Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison | Kiyoshi Igusa |
> Independent Institute | Independent of Sunday | Sen. James Inhofe |
> Jared Israel | Institute for Public Accuracy | International
> Federation of Journalists | Investors Business Daily | Irish Times |
> Jesse Jackson | Jim Jatras | Simon Jenkins | Jerusalem Post | John
> Birch Society | Christopher Johnson | Diana Johnstone | George Jonas |
> Zachary Karabell | Hiranmay Karlekar | Martin Kelley | William Kelly |
> Jack Kemp | George Kendall | George Kenney | Larry Keuning | Alan
> Keyes | Cliff Kincaid | R. Court Kirkwood | Rep. Dennis Kucinich |
> Nikolina Kulidzan | Henry Lamb | Vladimir Lapsky | Las Vegas Review
> Journal | John Laughlin | Christoper Layne | Rep. James Leach | League
> of the South | Rep. Barbara Lee | Lega Nord Piemont | Richard Lessner
> | Andrew Lewis | Libertarian Party | Carl Limbacher | London Times |
> LPRC | Ludwig von Mises Institute | John MacArthur | David MacReynolds
> | MADRE | Alice Mahon, MP | Norman Mailer | Randall Major | Manchester
> Union Leader | Robert Manning | Marin County (CA) Republican Party |
> Douglas Mattern | Chris Matthews | Scott McConnell | John McLaughlin |
> Martin McLaughlin | Craige McMillan | Mennonite Central Committee |
> Geoff Metcalf | Joel Miller | Milwaukee Journal Sentinel |
> Minneapolish Star-Tribune | Brian Mitchell | C. Raja Mohan | Carol
> Moore | Michael Moore | Stephen Moore | John Morine | Mary Mostert |
> Mother Jones | Jan Myrdal | Eugene Narrett | The Nation | National
> Catholic Social Justice Lobby | Jim Naureckas | Lars Erik Nelson | The
> New American | New Mexico Republican Assembly | Newsday | John Nicol |
> Oliver North | Robert Novak | J.R. Nyquist | Jan Oberg | Cardinal John
> O'Connor | David Oppenheimer | Orange County Register | David Orchard
> | Jovan Orlovic | Camile Paglia | Michael Par

[CTRL] Net strike to bite in Europe

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Sunday, June 6, 1999 Published at 18:34 GMT 19:34 UK

Net strike to bite in Europe

By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall
Internet users in 15 European countries are staging the biggest strike to
date in protest at high telecommunications charges.

Organisers appealed for everyone able to access the Net not to connect on
Sunday and want telephone users to also avoid making calls.

Internet users in Europe want to stay online longer but say they cannot
afford to because they are being charged by the minute for local calls to
their Internet Service Provider.

AOL backs strike

One such provider, AOL UK, with more than 600,000 members is backing the
strike. It supports the American model of a flat-rate phone charge that
effectively makes local calls free.

"The grassroots campaign mirrors AOL Europe's longstanding opposition to
metered local call charges, which the company believes remain the biggest
single obstacle to the growth of the Internet and e-commerce in Europe," it
said in a statement.

Industry analysts concur that electronic commerce is not taking off in
Europe the same way as it did in the US because of per-minute charges.

In a report last month, Jupiter Communications said: "metered charges, not
total cost, is the culprit. Low use appears to have more to do with the
cost of metered calls than with the total cost of metered access."

The UK parliament is due to debate the issue of telecommunications
regulation and access to the Internet next week.

February strike successful
Internet users in seven European countries staged a 24-hour strike in
February in protest at prices. Internet traffic was reduced by as much as
95 per cent, hitting the revenues of telecommunications companies.

The UK organisers of this weekend's strike expect an even bigger response
now 15 countries are involved. Their stated aims are:

Costs of all telephone calls to more closely mirror the independently
audited cost to telecommunications operators of providing these calls, as
already mandated by EU law.
Introduction of flat-rate charges for - in the first instance - local
calls, so that anyone can talk to friends and relatives, and Internet users
can dial up to Internet Service Providers using a telephone modem, without
worrying about the clock ticking and charges ratcheting up.
For any remaining metered calls, abolition of the minimum call charge so
that calls are paid for solely by the time spent connected.
For Internet users, quicker introduction of modern access methods such as
xDSL, cable modems and satellite access, which do not use the telephone
modem and are a great improvement on it for users.

Countries included in the 24-hour boycott are Austria, Belgium, the Czech
Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal,
Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.


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[CTRL] INS power

[Linda Minor]

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[06/05] Court rules INS can void U.S. citizenship
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A federal appeals court has ruled that the
Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) can use closed hearings to
strip immigrants of naturalized U.S. citizenship obtained by fraud.

In an important decision which could affect thousands of pending citizenship
cases, a panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 Friday to
overturn an injunction which had blocked procedures in use by the INS, a
unit of the Justice Department, since 1998.

``We conclude that the Attorney General does not lack statutory authority to
reopen and reconsider her own orders of naturalization,'' Judge Pamela Rymer
wrote in the majority opinion, allowing the INS to move forward with
denaturalization proceedings.

Lawyers for plaintiffs in the class action case quickly condemned the
decision, which they vowed to challenge all the say to the U.S. Supreme
Court if necessary.

A spokesman for the INS told the Los Angeles Times that the agency was
pleased with the ruling, which could expedite the resolution of some 4,500
cases around the country.

``We feel that the administrative denaturalization process is less
cumbersome than the existing judicial denaturalization process,'' Bill
Strassberger said.

The case stems from a change in U.S. citizenship policy in 1990, when a
federal law transferred the right to grant citizenship to qualified
immigrants from the court system to the INS.

In 1996, after a study of one million new citizens turned up more than 6,000
who had allegedly lied or failed to reveal prior arrest records in their
applications, the INS claimed the right to revoke citizenship by
administrative fiat if it found ''credible and probative evidence''
indicating a case of either official mistake or applicant fraud.

Lawyers representing a number of immigrants challenged the INS in a class
action lawsuit, claiming that the new procedures violated applicants'
constitutional rights not to testify against themselves and unfairly
targeted people for innocent or minor mistakes.

In 1998, a federal judge in Seattle issued an injunction stopping the INS
from using administrative hearings to revoke citizenship -- a decision
appealed by the Justice Department to the San Francisco-based 9th Circuit.

In the majority opinion handed down on Friday, the appeals court noted that
the 1990 federal law had effectively removed citizenship from the purview of
the courts, noting that ''naturalization proceedings -- which no longer take
place in court -- can no longer be reopened in court.''

Upholding the INS' right to go back and review earlier decisions, the court
said it was following what it believed to be the intent of the 1990 law.

``There is nothing remarkable about recognizing an agency's power to reopen
and reconsider its own decisions, especially those arguably obtained by
fraud,'' the court said.

In a sharply worded dissenting opinion, however, Judge Andrew Kleinfeld said
there was no demonstrable principle which holds that ``what one can do, one
can undo.''

``A person can give a gift, but cannot take it back,'' Kleinfeld said,
noting that Congress had not explicitly given the Attorney General the right
to revoke the citizenship her office can grant. ``The attorney general not
only grabbed the ball on denaturalizations, but ran out of bounds with it,''
Kleinfeld wrote.

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Could you please e-mail me the algorithm?
Thanks-a-lot!
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[CTRL] "Clinton in [clear] violation of law"

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Had 60 days to pull-out of Kosovo or get approval -- neither has happened!
=

FOR RELEASE:
May 26, 1999


Clinton in violation of law
Had 60 days to pull-out of Kosovo or get approval -- neither has happened

WASHINGTON, DC -- As of 12:01 am Wednesday, May 26, President Clinton will
be in clear violation of the 1973 War Powers Resolution. This is the first
time a president has violated the resolution since its enactment.

"President Clinton has nothing left to claim: he is in complete violation of
the Wars Powers Resolution, there is simply no other interpretation," said
US Rep. Ron Paul (R, TX).

Rep. Paul is one of 26 Members of Congress who have filed a lawsuit in
federal court against President Clinton in regards to his violation of the
War Powers Resolution and the US Constitution.

"No one can argue that a president must, when there is a direct, clear and
present danger to American lives, take defensive actions to protect our
national interest. However, 60 days ago this president decided to take
aggressive action against a sovereign nation; and has since had
congressional authorization rejected by a vote of 427 to 2," said Rep. Paul.

Under the War Powers Resolution, a president may engage in hostilities for
60 days without congressional approval. At the end of the 60-day period,
however, the president must have either received a Declaration of War,
received authorization to continue the action for another set period of
time, or begin withdrawing the troops. Since the bombing of Yugoslavia
began, the president has been denied a declaration of war and authorization.

"Once again, though, President Clinton is demonstrating his utter disregard
for the Constitution and laws of this nation. He apparently views himself as
a king, rather than the president of a constitutional republic; he must
believe that his will is the law, rather than the Constitution and acts of
Congress," said Rep. Paul. "To say this president is anything but dangerous
and reckless would be a gross understatement."

Rep. Paul said that while many presidents have violated, with the unspoken
consent of Congress, the constitutional responsibility for the initiation of
war, President Clinton has done so more frequently and brazenly than any
other this century.

"While I am hopeful this president will change his course, recent history
has shown this president holds no more respect for court orders than he does
for the Constitution or the War Powers Resolution. If he shows the same
contempt as in the past, our nation faces serious trouble."





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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 12:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [patriots] CNN to air Blood-Gate/Free Cox Reports/Blockbuster
Campaign


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi Patriots!!

QUICK UPDATE:

CNN/BLOOD-GATE. CNN is scheduled to air a Tainted Blood report tonight,
Sunday at 8 pm.   Please watch to show you support these investigations.
Also have your eyes and ears open for FAIRNESS in their report:)
===

FREE COX REPORTS!  I've had several people write that they've already
been told the reports cost $80 through the Congress. I immediately
checked with Comm. Dir. of Reform Party who sent the original post.
Here's an excerpt of Donna Donovan's reply:

>>>As for getting a free copy of the Cox Report, my understanding is
>that your Congressman can request as many copies as he wants, free,
>and so the way to obtain a free copy is to ask your Congressman to get
>one for you. If he won't do it, well, then he doesn't have very good
>constituent service, does he? So why should anyone re-elect him?
>
>The report, of course, is available on the Reform Party website, but it's
>alot of downloading. And the point is to let your Congressfolk know that
>we're paying attention. Thanks for playing the game.  --Donna D. >>

So here's some numbers TOLL FREE to OUR Congress:
1-888-449-3511   1-800-FELIX-49 and 1-800-972-3524 (House only).
And also, Capitol Switchboard:  1-202-224-3121
Since the COX REPORT came out of a House Committee,
you might want to try your Representative in the House first.
===

BLOCKBUSTER CAMPAIGN:

<< For those who helped with the Blockbuster Video Campaign to
remove  the blackmail magazine, Flynt Report, Blockbuster Corporation
says they have removed it from their stores. (If you see one, contact me!!)
   Thanks so much!!  Tam >>

>From Sue in CA:
The Blockbuster in Riverside, California still has the Flynt report on the
stands as of 2 days ago! Thought you might like to know!

And my Chattanooga (Hamilton Place/Gunbarrel Rd.) Blockbuster
still has it as of Friday, June 4th.  The District Manager is out sick
and no one has authority, supposedly. (I took a scissors in and cut
my card in the store about Wednesday, 6/2). --Tam

PATRIOTS, I would appreciate if you would quickly send an email or make
a phone call to corporate Blockbuster since they asked for us to tell them
what stores still have this after it is supposed to have been pulled...

Here's the info:
EMAIL:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blockbuster Consumer Services:  1-800-800-6767

Tell them that Riverside Ca and Chattanooga Tn stores still carry the
blackmail magazine, Flynt Report. Ask them to send a message to
ALL their stores informing them to pull this magazine like they've told us.

Here's the relevant message from Blockbuster re this situation:

>>Blockbuster had the "Flynt Report", which does not contain pornographic
>material, in stores on a trial basis only.  After the trial period was over
all
>Blockbuster stores that carried the magazine were instructed to remove them
>from the shelves.  If your local Blockbuster store still advertises the
"Flynt
>Report", please let us know the address of the store.  We will then inform
>the District Manager.
>
>We take no position on individual scenes or the overall artistic merits of
a
>product.  We are not in the content business.  We are in the business of
>exceeding the expectations of our members and customers, and thus our
>goal is to offer the widest possible selection within our broad parameters
>of our "no NC-17 or X" standards. <<<

Here's a great answer to Blockbuster's reply from Jeanette.
(If you add-on to Jeanette's letter, also mention Riverside, Chatta, and
a request for them to tell ALL their stores to remove Flynt):
---
From:   Eaglesjq (Jeanette)
Subj:   Re: Larry Flynt Porno Czar
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am in receipt of your response and likewise thank you for same, however,
it should be noted that because the content of the Flynt Report contained
no pornography, I believe it does not give to the legitimacy of the
statement
made.

I would like you to know that if I were a drug dealer and candy coated
myself
as being a person who gave to the poor, does that make it right?  By the
same
token, it appears from my impression that trying to make Larry Flynt
something other than what he really is, is simply a facade and another way
of
getting more Americans to look at different views of him.  Quite frankly, as
I previously stated,
and because I find his material objectionable by allowing him the publicity
he
does not deserve, what you in essence are doing is alloting him the
opportunity without regard to what should be the Common Good we all can do
in
our society.

Remember if s

[CTRL] Getting Free, Ourselves Alone

[Bob Stokes]

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990603_xccwo_getting_fr.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990603_xccwo_getting_fr.sh
tml">Getting free, ourselves alone


Getting free, ourselves alone



© 1999 Claire Wolfe

The mail thundered down. It came in floods, waves, deluges and tides in the
days after WorldNetDaily ran my column "Before they come for the guns". I'd
expected it, in a way. I'd expected to take a kick or two for talking about
freedom lovers "plotting" to take their freedom back.

What came wasn't what I'd anticipated. Not one of the hundreds of e-mails
that cascaded over the dam of frustration (more mail than I'll ever be able
to answer, to my regret) said, "No. That's crazy. That's irresponsible.
That's wrong." A friend or two wrote, "Better shut your mouth, Claire." And a
few writers disagreed on details. But what flooded in was one huge cry of,
"YES!" from people around the world.

I had quoted nameless working-class American guys standing in a gun store,
talking the kind of talk you hear every day here in the West. The words of
peaceable people who -- like German Jews of the 30s -- see themselves being
legislated against, exploited, blamed, deprived of their earnings and
possessions, and gradually being driven to defend their very existence as
full, free human beings.

E-mail after e-mail said, "Next time, Claire, portray that same conversation
among businessmen at the country club. It's happening there, too." "Show
doctors talking about when we might have to fight for freedom; believe me,
here at the clinic, it's what we think about every day." "Scientists,
Claire." "Entrepreneurs. Housewives. Students. Count us in." One cubicle
dweller, whose letter was published in WorldNetDaily, wrote of corporate
"Dilberts" who whisper of that desperate day in chrome-trimmed lunchrooms,
and who buy weapons they never thought of owning -- until the
ever-more-threatening government threatened to deprive them of the ability to
do so.

Many writers remarked, "Thank God someone said it. I thought I was alone." "I
thought I might be nuts, feeling that way when the media keeps telling me how
good everything is."

And everywhere I go, I keep stumbling into these conversations. Readers are
right; it's not only at the gun stores and gun shows. It happened again
yesterday in a pretty little shop in the city, filled with flowers and
antiques. There they stood behind the counter, the tidy, bookish entrepreneur
couple who'd spent a career politely doing everything right. We'd been
talking no more than five minutes, about nothing in particular. Someone made
a remark about the government long ago dropping John Kennedy's casket into
the sea. Nothing more than that -- a chance reference to an old cover-up --
when the man burst out, "Sometimes I've thought we just need a revolution to
wipe away all this ... all this government. I'm sorry. I'm out of line. I
shouldn't say that. But. ..."

Whatever it was with this quiet, middle-aged man -- whatever had been
building inside him -- it was so close to exploding that it burst in front of
strangers, triggered by nothing. It isn't just about guns, as my column was.
But about tyrants threatening the core of individuality itself, the core of
freedom. How much more pressure can ordinary, good people bear before the dam
bursts? Before talk is no longer "just talk"?

Nobody's listening

One reader, Sonny Diehl, asked:

My only question, and I know that it is a rhetorical one, is: "Why can the
powers-that-be not see this?" They overlook the fact that more Americans want
their freedom today than were willing to fight for it in the eighteenth
century. Why are they willing to risk the bloodbath that must come if they
continue? Are they really the nitwits they seem?



And haven't you wondered? As you listen to NPR or watch NBC News and hear
nothing but assumptions that we need more intrusive government, haven't you
wondered what's really going on in the reptilian brain stems of those
devouring our freedom?

Do those who wish to control us actually believe their own propaganda? Do
they imagine all is well in Happiland? Do they think all that's required to
put the finishing touch on their Utopia is a few more laws, regulations,
executive orders, judicial fiats, presidential decision directives and
canisters of CS gas? Do they -- folly of follies -- ultimately imagine that a
few million abused freedom lovers simply don't matter?

In a way, it doesn't matter what they think. Something has changed in the
last few months in the way many of us, the freedom lovers, think. We've
stopped believing in illusions. We've stopped chasing chimeras, stood still
and taken stock. It's been coming for a long time -- years -- for some, even
decades. But just recently -- in a way that millions suddenly feel, but few
have yet articulated -- the freedom movement has reached a critical mass of
di

[CTRL] Before They Come for the Guns

[Bob Stokes]

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990520_xccwo_before_the.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990520_xccwo_before_the.sh
tml">Before they come for the guns


Before they come for the guns



© 1999 Claire Wolfe

"... Romanian term limits," somebody was saying as I walked into Grouchy's
Gun Shop, just north of the Hardyville stoplight.

The other guys around the counter laughed, as if at a bitter joke. Then their
grins -- and their talk -- chopped off as they turned to see who'd come in.
"She's OK," said the glance they exchanged. I went to look at holsters and
they went on as if they'd never been interrupted.

"Didja hear about this new executive order? That murdering dictator in the
White House ..." one groused as I disappeared around a display rack. And it
occurred to me -- not for the first time -- that this is why politicians and
bureaucrats are so desperate to crush gun dealers and gun shows out of
existence.

It's got less to do with "killer guns" than with talk.

Maybe they don't do it in the locked room at Cabela's, where rich folks buy
$6,000 engraved shotguns, but in every gun store I've been in the last six
years, this is what goes on all day. Talk. Talk about what's being taken
away, and how brutally, how unlawfully. Talk about their whole culture being
demonized and slowly legis-regulated out of existence -- not only "the gun
culture," whatever that may be, but an entire culture of independence,
individuality, and live-and-let-live.

Like 'em or hate 'em, these once-peaceful gun owners of the '90s are feeling
a lot like Jews of 1939 Germany. Maligned, lied about, persecuted and
threatened. Afraid, confused and angry. Very.

Of course, talk is proverbially cheap. A substitute for action, as often as
not. Still ... if a revolution or a Bill of Rights underground is going to
develop, it's going to happen here, in grubby little gun shops like
Grouchy's.

It is happening. ...

"I was talking with Colonel Beaudoin, over at the Armory," stage-whispered
one of the talkers. "He said if they ever get the order to confiscate guns,
he'd warn some of us. That way we could turn over old junk and hide the good
stuff for a 'rainy day.'"

"S---," snarled another. "If the government ever comes collecting guns,
that's about as rainy a damn day as we're gonna get. What is this 'rainy day'
BS, anyway? Do you suppose the farmers at Lexington and Concord just said, oh
well, we'll let 'em take our guns now and will fight on some 'rainy day'?

"Look, if they come for the guns, we fight. Even if we can't do anything but
die. That's the day. We either give up or stand up -- right then. But the
truth is, I don't think they're gonna come for the guns. Not just like that."

"Yeah. They'll just regulate everything away until there's nothing left.
They're already doing that, one whack at a time."

"Nothing left that's legal. But there will still be hundreds of millions of
guns. They're not going to go away just because Rosie O'Donnell and Sarah
Brady wish they would -- or just because politicians wave their magic laws.
No more than booze or dope just went away. You know what this country's going
to look like once there are hardly any legal guns anymore?"

"Cali. Medellin."

"The South Bronx."

"Al Capone's Chicago."

"Half a million more people in prison, at least."

"Won't old Rosie like that, now?"

"But speaking of Al Capone's Chicago, if they want to make criminals of us,
some people are going to be good ones."

"Good ones?"

"Yeah. For starters, most gun owners will outwit the Gestapo one way or
another.

"They'll just crack down on anything we try, eventually."

"We outnumber them, though. Even if they put a half a million of us in
prison, that still leaves millions of us out here."

"Yeah, but doing what?"

"Well, if they make guns illegal or impossible to get, some people are going
to build their own. And the thing is, when you can go to prison for owning a
.22 single-shot target pistol, why not own something bigger and meaner,
instead? Did you know you can build an assault rifle or machine gun -- from
scratch -- with ordinary machinist's tools?"

"Friend of mine, a gunsmith, just got a new lathe. He says he can do anything
now, including that."

"And if you don't have those tools, you can still turn some kinds of .22
pistols into machine pistols, right in your own garage."

"Geez, that's crazy!"

"Look, I'm not saying anybody should do it. I'm just saying that people will
do it once they can't get legal stuff. It's a fact."

"Some of those guns will be blowing up in idiots' faces!"

"Yeah, just like some people went blind from drinking wood alcohol once the
government stopped 'em from getting the legal booze. Just like they die of
drug overdoses because there's no quality control. What else is new?"

"But why would anybody want

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #3

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SkeptiNews 990606c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No earth goddesses were violated during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Honeybees hunt for land mines. RICHLAND, Wa. (AP) Honeybees equipped with
radio tags no larger than a grain of rice may one day be used to detect
antipersonnel land mines on battlefields and elsewhere. Researchers seek to
train and track entire colonies of bees, conditioned to prefer something
other than honey, such as TNT, the primary component of land mines. Ultima-
tely, it may be possible to carry a hive to a site and release the bees to
search for explosives or other things, such as methamphetamine-making
ingredients or nuclear waste. www.cnn.com/NATURE/9906/03/bee.tags.ap/

: What substances would you like to detect? Would you mind being busted by
an insect? Will you have to be very very careful about what you do and eat?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Noah's Ark? Or elaborate fraud? Adventurers document astonishing find.
(WND) Four east Tennessee men have felt that hope on the trip of a lifetime
that led them on a dangerous adventure to Turkey to view what many claim is
the final resting spot of Noah's Ark. Only known photos of the Ark site:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990601_xex_noahs_ark_br.shtml

$ Journey to Noah's Ark: http://www.lakemoor.com/

: Which version of the old Sumerian myth / Noachian 'Ark' legend do you like
best? How many animals could you fit onto an Ark? How bad would they smell?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiResources:

@ HyperHistory Online. HyperHistory presents 3,000 years of world history
with a combination of colorful graphics, lifelines, timelines, and maps.
Over a 1,200 files are interconnected throughout the website, providing 5
sections from which to start your exploration. People; History; Events;
Maps. http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/History_n2/a.html

@ The Gate of Heavenly Peace. The Gate of Heavenly Peace is a documentary
about the protests at Tiananmen Square in 1989, and the resulting Beijing
Massacre. The site explores the history of the demonstrations and comments
on the "deep structure" of political habits & attitudes that have informed
public life in China over the past century.  http://www.nmis.org/gate/

@ Online Newspapers of the World. Tired of your local newspaper? Want to
find out what people on the other side of the world read over their coffee?
Online Newspapers of the World has over 4,000 newspapers and magazines
sorted by region and country and a proficient search engine as well wrapped
up into one excellent, clean, efficient resource. http://www.metagrid.com/

@ Free Education on the Internet. This is a guide to free online courses,
tutorials, and study guides. There are no fees for any of the courses, nor
do you have to sign-up for anything - they're just free. www.free-ed.net/

@ Time Capsule. Enter a date and the Time Capsule will bring back memories
of that year. The site currently has data online for 1900-1997, but not all
data are available for 1995-97. http://www.dmarie.com/asp/history.asp

@ Funk & Wagnalls Online Multimedia Encyclopedia. F&W's online version of
its 29-volume Encyclopedia, with over 25,000 articles and more than 3,000
"multimedia elements". Updated monthly, it's freely available after regis-
tration. There's also free access to the Random House Webster's College
Dictionary, Reuters headlines and searchable archive, and a separate
browseable index for the multimedia items featured in the Encyclopedia,
with links to the appropriate article. http://www.funkandwagnalls.com
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Vatican City online: http://www.vatican.va/
@ Islam (submission): http://www.discoverislam.com/
@ AA: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/findex.html
@ Yahoo Skeptics Club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/skeptics
@ Internet Skeptics: http://members.xoom.com/jneedham/skeptics.html

# CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR - Critics Charge Attempt to Legitim-
  ize Pedophilia: www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/04/study0604_01.html
# MARIJUANA RULING ROCKS DUI DOCKET - 100's of Cases Threatened by GA Court
  Action: www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/02/exceptions0602_01.html

@ Sayonara, Y2k: Ed Yourdon's Candid Exit: http://www.yourdon.com
@ Van Impe Intelligence Briefing: www.jvim.com/IntelligenceBriefing/
@ New World Order Intelligence Update: www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild98.htm

# Bilderberg 'Summit' opens under massive security:
  http://www.the-news.net/
# Current list of Bilderberg participants:
  http://www.the-news.net/archives/bilburglist05-6.htm

@ Women First Healthcare: http://www.womenfirst.com/
@ Chess for Kids: http://tqjunior.advanced.org/6290/
@ The Nobel Channel: http://www.nobelchannel.com/
@ Best US Beaches: http://www.petrix.com/beaches/

# KKK 

[CTRL] The Third Way: Stealth Socialism

[Peter L. Sroufe]

 -Caveat Lector-

The Third Way: Stealth Socialism

by Mike Wilson, Editor, APC News Wire

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, often called the British version of Bill
Clinton, has perfected Clinton’s style of substance-less leadership. Now
Blair is the most prominent proponent of a vague new political movement
steeped in the lofty idea that society can have its cake and eat it too --
if only there were more "compromise" at the political "center."

It’s called the "Third Way" and it’s becoming a successful method for
left-wing parties in Europe to get elected in an era when history books
conclusively show the failure of Marxist ideology.

The Third Way is, in effect, a grudging admission by the left that
traditional market controls of collectivist governments cannot thrive in
today’s global economy. But at the same time, it’s a stubborn insistence
that an activist federal government is still an effective approach to public
problems.

"The Third Way stands for a modernized social democracy, passionate in its
commitment to social justice and the goals of the center-left, but flexible,
innovative and forward-looking in the means to achieve them," writes Blair.
"It seeks to take the essential values of the center and center-left and
apply them to a world of fundamental social and economic change, and to do
so free from outdated ideology."

Blair speaks frequently of the government "equipping" citizens to succeed,
the government and private sector working in "partnership" together, while
"sharing responsibility" and "cooperating internationally."

But what never really gets around to being explained is exactly HOW it’s all
supposed to work. Other than a general commitment to "education" and "worker
training" Third Way proponents never get past eloquent descriptions of
utopian goals.

"You can’t be against it," says Polly Toynbee, a British social affairs
commentator who’s a Third Way skeptic. "It includes everything good you ever
heard."

Recently, talk of this Third Way has been building momentum among Democrats
in the U.S. It’s no surprise that Democrats would be enthused by a new tool
to continue their evolution into "New Democrats." Thus far the term has come
to mean nothing more than dressing up liberals and liberal policies in
disguise, keeping Hillary muzzled, paying lip service to traditionally
Republican issues such as crime, welfare and tax cuts; and immediately
heralding any big government spending as an "investment" for "the children."

These have been necessary tactics since Clinton caused Democrats to lose
control of Congress halfway through his first term -- subsequently turning
Liberal into a dirty word. The huge tax increase, the effort to let
homosexuals serve openly in the military and a failed attempt to nationalize
the health care system showed Democrats that they had seriously misread the
public’s tolerance for brazenly liberal public policy.

But Democrats have adapted well -- due largely to the establishment media’s
perpetuation of the myth that there’s a great public yearning for lawmakers
to simply meet halfway on any point of contention, have a bipartisan hug and
things will be just fine.

The Third Way caters directly to this attitude.

The danger this presents to conservatives is a new banner of credibility for
the left, and the likelihood that the right will continue to be labeled
"extremists" or "obstructionists" for refusing to compromise on core
principles. This could be easily overcome if Republicans weren’t too
squeamish to stand up to the smear, hold firm on the principle that
sometimes no legislation is better than bad legislation, and then let the
voters (not the polls or pundits) cast final judgment. Unfortunately, it
doesn’t seem likely that Republicans will rediscover the backbone they lost
in the government shutdown three years ago.

Meanwhile, conservatives would be well-advised to publicly scrutinize Third
Way rhetoric, challenging the absence of policy and insisting it be defined
in terms of methods rather than goals.





http://www.americanpolicy.org/plate.main/publicationshighlights/spotlight/Th
irdWay.html

-

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every
fragment of the socialist program, until one day America
will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
--- Norman Thomas,
U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate



"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the
traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers
rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For th

[CTRL] Fwd: S99-101, Day 74 (June 5, 6:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

[Kris Millegan]

FROM WASHINGTON, DC

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.  

Issue S99-101, Day 74
-
June 5, 1999; 6:00PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Washington   1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

Washington   2. Drop Clinton, Not Bombs! (A Speech by Bob
Djurdjevic)



1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

WASHINGTON, June 5 - Mark this day - June 5! This is the day a Serb flag
was flying at the Pentagon possibly for the first time in history, mounted
high on top of the soundstage erected on the Pentagon lawn, right next to
the official U.S. Defense Department flag pole.  All around the
red-blue-and-white Serb banner, more than 30,000 anti war demonstrators who
took part in today's "March on the Pentagon," billowed from the top of
their lungs, "Yu-go-sla-via! Yu-go-sla-via!" 

If such an event were to have taken place in some overseas country, people
might have assumed a World Cup soccer match was taking place.  But this was
America.  And the surprisingly small number of the Pentagon security detail
and the Arlington Police, looked on in amusement, snapping pictures of the
crowd on this hot Saturday afternoon.

It was moment to behold. Chinese drummers beat their drums; Serbian
protesters blew their whistles; Korean demonstrators sang their songs;
Greeks wrapped themselves in their blue-and-whites; the Russians, the
Koreans, the Cubans, the Poles waved their flags - nearly all of them
wearing TARGET signs - joined in the chants: "Yu-go-sla-via!
Yu-go-sla-via!" And, "bombs and missiles - we say no, U.S. out of Kosovo!"
"One, two, three four - we don't want your bloody war."

And yes, as you may have gathered by now, this preceding means that the
Arlington Police and the County officials backed down, unable to stop the
30,000+ marchers from closing the Memorial Bridge and the Washington
Boulevard, supposedly also for the first time in history.  So freedom of
speech and right to peaceful assembly is still alive and well today in
America.  

Our thanks to all TiM readers who contributed to it. But as with all
rights, if we ignore them, they will go to a higher bidder.  So we'll have
to keep it up…

Meanwhile, large masses of anti-NATO protesters had assembled earlier this
afternoon at the Vietnam Memorial, where the opening speeches were given,
including that by your editor, enclosed below as Item 2 of this report. 

After the speech, the TiM editor also gave interviews to NPR radio, to the
Russian and Chinese news agencies, and to some other local news media. The
American public TV network C-SPAN, reportedly carried a live broadcast of
the proceedings.  Predictably, there were no CNN, NBC ABC or CBS cameras or
satellite trucks in evidence.  But there were several media helicopters
filming the march (stand by for TiM's photos from the protest, which we
will post at our Web site upon returning to Phoenix).

Later this afternoon, CNN Headline News showed some pictures of
demonstrators crossing the Memorial Bridge, with the Lincoln Memorial
visible in the background, saying that only 5,000 people participated in
today's demonstrations.  This contrasts with the estimates of the protest
organizers which ranged from 30,000 to 40,000 people.  

Whatever the actual number of protester, it was without a doubt the largest
anti-war demonstration held in the nation's capital since the days of the
Vietnam war. To those TiM readers who joined us either in person or in
spirit; to all those who stood up and made a stand for truth and justice
today, we say: "Thank you!  Now you can proudly tell your children or
grandchildren that you had not remained silent during the days of the
American Infamy."
---

2. Days of American Infamy II (A Speech by Bob Djurdjevic)

WASHINGTON, June 5 - The following is the prepared text of the speech which
TiM's editor delivered today at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC:

Ladies and gentlemen, fellow-patriots, friends of the truth and liberty,

I come to Washington from the Grand Canyon state of Arizona to join you in
your righteous protest against an American government which has become so
un-American.  This is no longer a government "OF the people, BY the people,
FOR the people."  This is a government OF and FOR a group of "death
merchants," bankers and industrialists, run BY corrupt politicians, like
Bill Clinton.  And it is a government AGAINST the interests of the American
people.  

Is it in our interest to have a $5.6 trillion national debt? 

Is it in our interest to pay for the IMF bailouts of Wall Street bankers in
Mexico, Asia, Russia or Brazil?

Is it in our interest to have American troops stationed in over 100
countries around the world?

Is it in our interest to have to build a Kosovo Memorial right next to th

Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions

[William Hugh Tunstall]

 -Caveat Lector-

I think the champions of free trade and unrestricted markets should read
this post carefully.

Apparently, laissez-faire capitalism is not working out well in southern
Africa.

But what happens when laissez-faire solutions are applied to an
industrially developed nation like New Zealand?  Read Dr. Jane Kelsey's
article, "Life in the Economic Test-Tube: New Zealand 'experiment' a
colossal failure."  http://mai.flora.org/library/test-tube.html



On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Taylor, John (JH) wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Most of SADC's population scratch a June 04, 1999
> © Weekly Mail & Guardian
> living from the soil
> Ian Clayton
> Out of a population of 180-million in the Southern Africa Development
> Community (SADC), only one in 10 has a job in the formal sector and only
> about 20% of the economically active population have jobs, a Norwegian
> researcher, Liv Torres, has established.
> This gives an unemployment rate of nearly 80% in the SADC countries,
> excluding Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Seychelles - and
> would be even higher if those countries were included.
> Torres also found that only about 40% of those in formal sector employment
> are organised. Those without formal sector jobs are "unemployed or struggle
> to find means of survival in the informal sector of subsistence farming.
> "To have a job or not has become a `to be or not to be', in countries with
> few, or no, safety nets," she says. "At the same time, a large portion of
> those within the formal sector labour market earn less than poverty wages.
> Child labour, HIV, labour migration, low skills levels, tenant labour
> systems and poverty within the labour market pose further political and
> economic challenges for the SADC countries and for regional integration."
> Torres reaches these conclusions in a study called Labour Markets in
> Southern Africa, which has been published by the Oslo-based Fafo Institute
> for Applied Social Science.
> She says the poverty development trend in Southern Africa has to be reversed
> and economic growth is without doubt the most powerful weapon in the fight
> for higher living standards.
> "Yet, as important for poverty eradication as well as economic development,
> although often underestimated, is the distribution of income and wealth.
> "The benefits of growth for the poor may be eroded if the distribution of
> income worsens, which might also undermine the incentives for
> growth-inducing economic reforms."
> Southern Africa is challenged by a lack of growth in the formal sector, huge
> wealth disparities and labour market segmentation reinforcing the social
> cleavages in society at large. Large majorities are employed in subsistence
> farming in the rural areas and in informal activities in the urban areas.
> However, she warns that the level of existing statistics and updated
> information about Southern Africa is very poor and this has to be improved
> to be able to make informed policy decisions.
> "Southern Africa needs to exit from the circle of low-paid labour,
> unemployment/informal/subsistence sector survival strategies and low
> education and skills levels.
> "Lack of education and low skills levels are hereditary; illiterates are
> thrown into survival strategies, which neither build further skills levels
> for themselves nor for their children.
> "In order to exit from these bad circles, regional strategies are needed,
> but future regional strategies that are based on informed knowledge about
> the characteristics, sector and occupational composition, skills levels, and
> migration patterns of the current labour markets. A regional information and
> resource centre is long overdue."
> Torres says the economic problems of Southern Africa can to some extent be
> attributed to the fact that the countries in the region have been locked
> into roles as exporters of either raw materials or crops.
> These countries have inherited from colonial times a low-skilled workforce
> and extremely divided labour markets in which highly paid skills and
> resources have to be imported from outside. Several of these countries have
> also inherited, developed or got stuck in "enclave economics", in which they
> remain fully dependent upon the production and export of raw materials
> and/or raw crops.
> Southern Africa became increasingly marginalised in the world economy
> through the 1970s and 1980s, and the economies of the region became
> progressively under greater control of and dependent upon the World Bank and
> the International Monetary Fund and their structural adjustment programmes.
> By the mid-1990s, the region's debt was estimated at between $150-billion
> and $180-billion - between R9 000-billion and R12 000-billion.
> The overall growth rate for the African continent stood at 3,7% in 1995, up
> from 1,9% in 1994, and during the 1990s, three Southern African countries
> have exceeded 8%, namely Lesotho, Mauritius and Uganda.
> However, poverty rat

Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-06-06 10:11:02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Unless I'm thinking of another " Revelation," you'll find it in
>Greek. The contents and ideas are Mystery Cult and not Jewish.
>[ Is this right Goat?]

Yes, Greek.  Still, "Revelations" itself is pretty thoroughly Jewish,
repeating (recycling) the symbolism first used by certain OT prophets, but
with an exaggerated "hellfire & damnation" element added by the more violent
revolutionary wing of the Zealots around John the Baptist, whom the Herodians
feared more than Jesus himself.  The best part of it --the vision of the
Eternal, the Throne, the Living Creatures, etc-- is pure Kabbalah.

The traditional Jewish view is that "prophecy" ENDED with Malachi, i.e., with
Ezra.

It's the companion book by "John" (likely not even the SAME "John"), the
GOSPEL of--, whose contents and ideas are "Mystery Cult" in spirit -- from a
HELLENISTIC Jewish
sect, influenced by Alexandrian Philo Judaeus and the proto-Gnostics around
Paul.
"John" likewise gives evidence of editing and at least two distinct voices
writing.  It owes its "legitimacy" as canon to those pericopes which are
brief and to the point, rather like the episodes in the Gospel of Mark.  The
rambling, repetitive LONG monologues from the mouth of "Jesus" are the second
layer, parabolic images literally beaten to death.
"John" reflects the minority GREEK perspective of syncretistic Johannite
"Christians." (You'll note that in the book itself, numerous favorable
references are made to them.)

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[CTRL] media lords: "Hillary is bottom heavy!" [bastardization of OUR air waves]

[Peter L. Sroufe]

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Since the airwaves of the Nation are owned by the People, and leased to the
media lords, I think it is high time and way past due that they be
investigated by an ad hoc citizens committee for failure to provide the
Citizens with unbiased and meaningful news.  In addition such investigation
should determine their culpability in the increasing violence occurring in
our Republic.  We can't allow the People's Congress or the Waco Witch
Attorney Genetrix to perform the investigation because of the extent of
their corruption which is not even being reported.
In my view, I don't consider the fact that klintoon's spouse is bottom heavy
news which is worthy of sending over OUR airwaves.



Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[William Hugh Tunstall]

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I stand by my statement.

A man or woman's character is meaningless in America.  It is the
possession of wealth that matters.  Of course, you or I might judge
individuals differently; but for the most part, Americans judge and
evaluate one another on the basis of material possessions: the clothes one
wears, the car one drives, the house one lives in.  WHy do I believe that?

Well, I've lived in California, Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington
and North Dakota. In my own experience, it is money that talks,
bullshit that walks.

There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who work hard,
struggle against incredible odds to provide for their families, and in
this country, they go unrecognized and unrewarded.  Do you think Americans
care about these honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
Not really.

No.  Americans are interested in and fascinated by those who possess
wealth... and as a society, we encourage our children to "get up there"
by whatever means necessary, so that they won't have to know the
day-to-day indignities of what it's like to be poor.

To be poor and without property in a society that worships property and
possessions means that your life is at the disposal of others.  So, if you
lack property, and your mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell
whatever you can to survive.  Well, what can be sold?  Talents, skills,
labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson.  In Thailand, poor moms and
dads sell their female children to brothels.

Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in order to
survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that the majority of those who
sell themselves are VERY interested in doing anything and everything to
make their masters happy.

Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
have, become less important in the struggle for survival.

Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
all social classes.  Remember the success of the Godfather movie?  The
line
between criminal and legal behavior is a fine one... many saw the Corleone
family as heroesmisunderstood entrepeneurs who were only supplying
people with what they want.

And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought and sold in
the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold by those who DO have the
money.  The transformation of human beings into things bothers me...
SOmehow, I don't find it inspiring.

Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about reducing human
beings down to the level of objects.  And there is something fundamentally
wrong about a society that values money more than they value the wellbeing
of their own children.

I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the poor and the
problems of poor children, we would change our priorities.  But that's not
likely, is it?

Regards,
Wm






On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>Whenever this government tries to help people, it does a
>miserable job.  Why?  Because in case you haven't noticed,
>for the most part, Americans, in general, hate the poor
>and the working class.
>
> BULLSHIT.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> A man receiving charity always hates his benefactor -- it is a
> fixed characteristic of human nature. -- George Orwell
>
> Starting from this foundation of our constitutional faith
> and proceeding to inquire in what part of the Constitution
> the power of making appropriations for internal improvements
> is found, it is necessary to reject all idea of there being
> any grant of power in the preamble. When that instrument
> says, "We, the people of the United States, in order to
> form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure
> domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense,
> promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings
> of liberty to ourselves and our posterity," it only
> declares the inducements and the anticipated results of
> the things ordained and established by it. To assume that
> anything more can be designed by the language of the
> preamble would be to convert all the body of the
> Constitution, with its carefully weighed enumerations
> and limitations, into mere surplusage. The same may
> be said of the phrase in the grant of the power to
> Congress "to pay the debts and provide for the common
> defense and general welfare of the United States;" or,
> to construe the words more exactly, they are not
> significant of grant or concession, but of restriction
> of the specific grants, having the effect of saying that
> in laying and collecting taxes for each of the precise
> objects of power granted to the General Government
> Congress must exercise any such definite and undoubted
> power in strict subordination to the purpose of the common
> defense and general welfare of all the States.
> -- Franklin Pierce _First Annual Message_
>
> DECLARATION & DISCLAI

[CTRL] CJR - Who Owns What, by Aaron Moore

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://cjr.org/owners/
http://cjr.org/owners/">CJR - Who Owns What, by Aaron Moore
-

media search:
 newspapers
 magazines
 owners
search for a
media property:



Who Owns What
Media companies continue to grow, and a shrinking number of them shape
what we view and read. What does that mean for journalists -- and for
the nation?

Here are some tools for thinking about that. First, an essay on media
concentration by Tom Goldstein, dean of Columbia's Graduate School of
Journalism. Then WHO OWNS WHAT, CJR's Web guide to what the major media
companies own.




New entries (as of 5/17/99)
•CNHI
•E.W. Scripps
•A.H. Belo
•McClatchy Company
•Washington Post Company
•Advance
•Bertelsmann
•Cablevision
•CBS
•Comcast
•Cox Communications
•Disney
•Dow-Jones & Company
•Gannett
•General Electric
•Hearst Corporation
•Hollinger
•Knight Ridder
•MediaOne
•News Corporation
•New York Times Company
•Reed Elsevier
•Seagram
•Sony
•Times Mirror, Inc.
•Time-Warner
•Tribune Company
•Viacom
Last updated 5/10/99

We will continue to add more companies to the guide, and to keep it
updated as the corporations change their operations.

The resource guide is maintained by Aaron Moore, a Temple University
graduate student who is also a correspondent for The Philadelphia
Inquirer. Please send comments or corrections to him at
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and/or to the editors at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

==
from:
http://cjr.org/year/98/5/goldstein.asp
http://cjr.org/year/98/5/goldstein.asp">CJR, Sept/Oct 98 - Does Big
Mean Bad?, by Tom G

-

September/October 1998 | Contents


Conglomerates
Does Big Mean Bad?
As the Century Winds Down, Media Power Continues to Concentrate. Here
Are Some Tools for Thinking About That.


by Tom Goldstein
Goldstein is the dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of
Journalism. This essay is a companion piece to CJR's guide to media
ownership.


The journalist's fear of the concentrated power of the big media
companies is almost instinctual. Yet what do we fear exactly? Is it the
potential for misuse of journalistic properties to benefit other arms of
a corporation? Is it the undercurrent of corporate values that we think
we sense flowing through and shaping some news? Or do we fear mere
phantoms, the anti-monopoly sentiments of a century that is passing into
history?

By way of addressing such questions, CJR has done two things. First we
have put on our Web site -- www.cjr.org -- a new resource guide, titled
"Who Owns What." It is a detailed road map for journalists, researchers,
and others to find which corporations are financially connected with
which products and media outlets. We begin with fifteen of the largest
and most influential companies, from Advance Publications, Bertelsmann,
Cablevision, and Disney to Sony, Time Warner, and Viacom. This fall we
will add seven others. "Who Owns What" will be expanded and updated
regularly by its creator, Aaron Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). It
includes a search engine. CJR also asked Tom Goldstein, dean of
Columbia's Graduate School of Journalism, to explain why this kind of
information is important and to examine the evolving debates about the
continuing concentration of media ownership. Here is his essay:

In my last incarnation, as dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at
the University of California at Berkeley, I once lobbied a top recruiter
for a major newspaper chain to hire students from the school. The
recruiter then explained why her company had not interviewed anyone from
Berkeley for many years. The reason was simple: "Bagdikian."

I protested. Ben Bagdikian, the media critic and my predecessor there as
dean, is a self-effacing giant in the field. I was missing the point,
the recruiter told me. She was convinced that we drilled our students
with Ben's anti-chain views, that like some kind of witch doctor he was
initiating students into the dark arts of skepticism toward media power.
(In fact, in no course did we assign Ben's influential book, The Media
Monopoly. Shame on us.) Ultimately, the recruiter shed her remarkably
thin skin and began hiring Berkeley students.

In the honorable ideological tradition of Will Irwin, Upton Sinclair,
George Seldes, and I. F. Stone, Bagdikian contends that no commercial
power should dominate the news -- just as no state power should. The
media giants make up, in the haunting phrase he coined, a "private
ministry of information."

In the first edition of Media Monopoly, in 1984, Bagdikian bemoaned that
just fifty corporations controlled more than half of the media outlets
in this country. He was writing when CNN was in its infancy, when most
journalists still used typewriters, and long before the Internet. By
1997, in the book's fifth edition, Bagdikian pegged the "number of media
corporations with dominant power in society" at closer to ten. The "new
communications cartel," he wrote, has the power to "surround almost
every 

Re: [CTRL] little Mary Manson

[Herbert Hershel Henderson]

 -Caveat Lector-

--

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:47:29Tsadowq wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Previous Thread: Marilyn Manson on Littleton
>
>(sing-along)
>
>There's Charlie and there's Squeeky,
>There's Marilyn who's freaky,
>My song is tongue and cheeky,
>The Manson Family
>
>Fellow Lollards:
>
>In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
><>
>
>Antichrist?  lol
>
>It is going to take FAR more than black nail polish and fishnet
>stockings for junior girlie-man Manson to actually assume the
>Antichrist (capital "A") role he attributes to himself.
---he's says he's taken the role of the christian's antichrist because that's what 
they compare him to..
>In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
><>
>
>  MATTHEW CHAPTER 10
>  16)  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
> be ye therefore WISE as serpents, and harmless as doves.
>
>  LUKE CHAPTER 21
>  15)  For I will give you a mouth and WISDOM, which all your
> adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
>
>There are plenty other examples as well.
>Of course, we don't expect Manson to actually know what
>he is talking about, *especially* on biblical issues.
--- of coure he knows something on the subject, you don't fight or try to explain 
something to a people (or institution) that you know nothing about---


To see his real influenece in the young of America you should go here:

http://members.aol.com/ZZZIMZZZUM/angel.html

It's a pretty hilarious spectical..


Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[William Hugh Tunstall]

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Adam Smith recognized that there were some services which the "free
market" cannot provide for citizens.  Please clarify your position.  Are
you against All taxes? You would like to abolish the government
altogether..or just eliminate those programs that you think are forms
of "stealing"?

Since "government theft" seems to be an integral concept in your
philosophy, please expand on this.  Just exactly what do you mean.



On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>   I feel sorry for you, MJ, if you equate humanitarian
>   care for the elderly and the indigent with "stealing."
> MJ:
> I said no such thing.  You confuse words with concepts AND
> you also confuse CHARITY with government theft.
>
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> We have a moral and ethical responsibility to care
> for one another.
> 
> MJ:
> How does this involve FORCIBLY taking money from some and
> providing it to others?
>
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> My claim still stands.  Welfare cuts hurt children the most.
> Do some research on the subject.
> 
> MJ:
> Yes, you may claim such, but that does little to change the facts
> of WHERE the majority of the money goes ... which is to the
> elderly.  THIS is contrary to your ORIGINAL 'claim'.
>
> Children learn by example ... when they view theft, rape and
> enslavement of others as OK, what 'model' do they seek to emulate?
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Outside of reading Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, and your usual
> right wing fare, have you ever journeyed into the heart of
> 
>
> You are as well versed in the logical fallacy of ad hominem as
> many others within this forum.  What those people you list above
> and elsewhere may or may not have said has absolutely no bearing
> whatsoever on the statements I put forth.  If you can refute
> *MY* statements kindly speak to them directly rather than clouding
> the issues.
>
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works
> this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C
> so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of
> envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then
> votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process
> next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by
> claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event,
> has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of
> course, D is 'needy'.  -- William Stanmeyer
>
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Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!

[William Hugh Tunstall]

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Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, Thomas
Sowell with frequency, the connection with libertarianism is rather
obvious, isn't it?

Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy are NOT shaped by
libertarian thought?


Ad hominem?  On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for your
erudition.  However, I do question just exactly how tolerant you are of
individuals who do not share your philosophical perspective.  Examine your
statement below: because I disagree with you, I am characterized by you as
being afraid of "liberty, freedom and equality."  But you also go further:
presumably, by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave," and benefit
from "theft."  A rather strong ad hominem attack on me

On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Vegas P.I.: The Life and Times of America's Greatest Detective
Lake Headley  William Hoffman
Our Price: $22.95

Format: Hardcover, 1st ed., 306pp.
ISBN: 1560250577
Publisher: Thunder's Mouth Press
Pub. Date: April 1993

Synopsis
Filled with major crime cases and startling revelations, this gripping
narrative tells the fascinating, often moving autobiography of a genuine
American original--Headley and his 35 action-packed years as a detective
battling crime on the streets of Las Vegas and beyond.


Reviews and Commentary

This Book was reviewed by:  The Publisher,  Richard Paul Snyder -
BookList  and  Publisher's Weekly - Publishers Weekly

>From The Publisher:
The extraordinary and glamorous adventure of one of the most renowned
private investigators of all time, Vegas P.I. is the fascinating and
often moving autobiography of a genuine American original - Lake
Headley. Filled with major crime cases and startling revelations, it
chronicles his thirty-five perilous and action-packed years as a
first-rank detective defending the disenfranchised and battling crime on
the streets of Las Vegas and beyond. Headley relates his early years
working for the Las Vegas/Clark County Sheriff's Department, a force
which more closely resembled a vigilante committee than a law
enforcement agency. After five years Headley's conscience and stomach
got the better of him and, in 1962, he resigned and set out on his own,
launching one of the most spectacular careers in criminal justice
history. He takes us back to a period of gambling history when the Mob
ruled the strip and he busted some of the most ingenious scams cheaters
ever devised. Headley gives never-revealed details of the famous "Friars
Club Cheating Case" in which celebrities such as Phil Silvers, Debbie
Reynolds, Tony Martin, and Groucho Marx lost more than a million dollars
in a rigged gin rummy game at the exclusive Friars Club in Beverly
Hills. Headley chronicles his wild adventures with the legendary bounty
hunter "Papa" Ralph Thorson. He pursues a dangerous involvement with the
American Indian Movement (AIM) after their 72-day Wounded Knee
occupation, which ultimately evolved into the most massive private
defense investigation in history. Fascinating new information is
revealed about the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Symbionese Liberation
Army (SLA), and the mysterious conflagration and gun battle in which 6
members of the SLA died in a house in Los Angeles although they
apparently were trying to surrender. Among his many brushes with
celebrity, he was called in to investigate the Bloomingdale-Morgan
Affair, a murder case that involved sado-masochistic sex and a cast of
ch

>From Richard Paul Snyder - BookList:
Real-life detectives are said to follow a rather boring vocation. Not
Lake Headley II; he found himself mixed up in some of America's most
publicized events, such as the FBI's battles with Native Americans at
Wounded Knee, Arizona investigative reporter Don Bolles' death, Patti
Hearst and the Symbionese Liberation Army, and federal judge Harry
Claiborne's impeachment. Headley began as a Las Vegas deputy sheriff,
but setting up and gunning down a drug addict went against his grain, so
he resigned. He and another ex-deputy set up their own Vegas detective
agency; then Headley hooked up with legendary bounty hunter "Papa" Ralph
Thorson. Neither job suited him, but when the famous defense attorney
Luke McKissack took Headley along to Wounded Knee, the PI discovered his
true life's work--aiding underdogs--which in turn earned Headley the
enmity of a good many law enforcement agents: the inside scoop on all
the aforementioned cases is that the bad guys are the ones who are
supposed to be protecting us--sheriffs, FBI agents, D.A.'s, U.S.
attorneys general, etc. Those interested in the nuts and bolts of
private detection should look elsewhere, but there are some fascinating
stories here.

>From Publisher's Weekly - Publishers Weekly:
For 30 years, Headley, who died in 1992, worked as a private
investigator in Las Vegas. This account of his career, written with
Hoffman, his coauthor on Contract Killer, is shocking and exciting. The
earlier book involved the killing of Jimmy Hoffa, so little attention is
given that case here. But Headley does present startling revelations
about his other investigations. He presents well-documented evidence
that Donald DeFreeze, head of the Symbionese Liberation Army, kidnappers
of Patty Hearst in 1974, was a police informant and an agent
provocateur. Headley also worked on the investigation of the 1976 murder
of reporter Don Bolles in Phoenix, and concludes that certain of
Arizona's public figures conspired in a cover-up of the case (the
convicted killers, Max Dunlap, a contractor, and James

[CTRL] [1] Loud and Clear

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

An excerpt from:
Loud and Clear
Lake Headly and William Hoffman©1990
Henry Holt and Company
115 W. 18th St.
New York, NY 10011
ISBN 0-8050-1138-2
272 pps — out-of-print/one edition
--[1]--

Introduction

THE BOMBING

DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, ARIZONA. JUNE 2,1976.11:32 A.M.

The big, forty-seven-year-old newspaper reporter with a resemblance to Clark
Kent walks out of the front door of the Clarendon Hotel, turns right, and
heads south on the narrow sidewalk toward the rear parking lot where he left
his new Datsun thirty minutes earlier. Today holds pleasant promises; he
isn't going to allow being stood up by a potential news source to spoil his
plans. His mood is good, his step light.

11:33 A.M.

He ignores the boiling desert sun, the heavy heat. Awaiting him this night
are a rare quiet dinner out and taking in a movie with his wife, Rosalie, in
celebration of their seventeenth wedding anniversary. They plan to see All
the President's Men. A topnotch investigative journalist himself, he believes
it will be fun (maddening, also) to watch what he expects to be Hollywood's
trivial and inaccurate portrayal of his profession.
 11:34A.M.

He opens the car door and proudly slides inside. He has saved hard for this
automobile (without the fame of a Woodward or a Bernstein, most investigative
reporters spend a lifetime behind the wheels of secondhand clunkers). Surely
he thinks of Rosalie, for the next time he speaks it is of her. He turns the
ignition key and the Datsun starts immediately. He backs the car out one
foot, a foot and a half. His world explodes in a giant orange fireball.

"Telephone my wife. They finally got me. The Mafia. Emprise. Find John
Adamson."

These were the last words of Don Bolles, uttered to attorney Max Klass and
others who rushed to his side after they heard the bomb go off. Klass had run
by a "ball of flesh," part of the reporter, and found him lying facedown in
the Clarendon Hotel parking lot, the remains of his burned, mangled body
half-inside, half-outside his demolished Datsun.

The tremendous explosion had shaken the ground with earthquake force,
smashing windows hundreds of feet away, sending parts of the Datsun and
pieces of Bolles atop a four-story building across six lanes of Central
Avenue.

The assassins, who had planted the explosive device underneath the car,
directly below the driver's seat, must have calculated that six sticks of
dynamite would blast a human body apart. They couldn't have dreamed that the
reporter would live, much less be able to gasp three key words: Mafia.
Emprise. Adamson.

Bolles survived eleven days, but never spoke again. Doctors amputated his
leg, an arm, the other leg, but the reporter clung to breath as tenaciously
as he had pursued his investigative stories. When he finally died on June 13,
his personal physician, Dr. William Dozer, said, "He put up the most
courageous fight I have ever seen any person put up for his life."

Friends closest to Don Bolles could have predicted it. Even his enemies—and
he had many—didn't doubt his courage. For almost a decade and a half in
Arizona, this devoted father of seven children had been a one-man crusade
against organized crime and corrupt politicians, the two groups often working
hand in hand; and this in a wide-open, gun-happy, let-the-sucker-beware state
that more resembled the Old West than the new. He had exposed wrongs against
Native Americans on the big Navajo reservation, atrocities committed against
migrant workers in the Arizona citrus fields, and hoaxes perpetrated on
retirees in fraudulent land schemes.

Bolles joined the Arizona Republic in 1962, and just three years later was
nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, journalism's highest award, for a brilliant
series of stories about political corruption. In 1974 his peers voted him
Arizona Newsman of the Year. He was intelligent, persistent, and
incorruptible.

The Bolles family was known for such traits. His grandfather had been a
progressive U.S. congressman from Wisconsin, his father a respected AP bureau
chief, and his brother an Episcopal priest who wrote best-selling how-to
books. Even Bolles's wife, Rosalie, showed uncommon courage.. Her support
never wavered when the 1960s trickle of death threats against herself, her
children, and her husband became a raging river in the mid1970s.

For a short time after his death, it seemed that the politicians, at least,
were trying to make it up to Don Bolles. Phoenix Mayor Margaret Hance
proclaimed, "Don's fight for life was an inspiration to all of us. He lost
his fight, but I pray that we will not forget him or what he was trying to
do-create a decent, safe environment for all the citizens of Arizona."

Governor Raul Castro ordered the flag flown at half mast, saying "My memories
of Don Bolles as a personal friend, and his many contributions as an
investigative reporter and a citizen, will remain bright. His death is a
searing reminder of tasks which remain to be done. It is a tragedy that h

[CTRL] [7] The Right People

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Right People - A Portrait of the American Social Establishment
Stephen Birmingham©1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1968
Little, Brown and Company
Boston-Toronto
LCCN 68-11525
360pps. — out-of-print
--[7]--

7

The Dirty Part

IN a large stone house outside Philadelphia, surrounded by acres of venerable
lawn, at the end of a long graveled driveway that is raked so often that each
car approaching leaves fresh furrows in it, lives a certain little old lady
with servants and roomfuls of family photographs. At tea time, on designated
afternoons, she receives her brothers and cousins, her nieces and nephews and
little grandnieces and grandnephews, most of whom live nearby, and, as she
pours from a large, heavily embossed silver service, the conversation is
witty and cultivated and intimate and gay. "Gentle talk," she calls it.
Mostly it is family talk, but often it ranges to art, the opera, the
symphony, the local dances. Politics is a rare topic; so is the theatre
-unless, of course, someone "knows someone" who has made the unusual move of
"going into politics," or is "taking a fling" at going on the stage. The
talk, in other words, centers around "people we know." When tea is over, the
children kiss their elderly relative good-by and leave with parents or
governesses, and a few adults stay on for cocktails and a few of these old
members of the family may remain for dinner. At eleven o'clock, the great
doors of the house close for the night.

This lady is a member of one of Philadelphia's oldest and wealthiest and most
distinguished families. At eighteen, she was the city's most beautiful and
popular debutante. Strangers ask why she never mar ried. This is a subject
that is not discussed much in the family any more; the reasons why no longer
matter much. But, if pressed for an answer, close friends will tell the story
of how once, when she was a young girl, she fell in love. The man she loved
was out of her class, and was Jewish — either one of which circumstances
might have been remotely tolerable, alone. But together they made the
situation impossible. She never fell out of love, never fell in love again.
Once, it is said, she asked her father for permission to marry the man. Papa,
very gently, explained that it was out of the question. She bowed to Papa's
wisdom. This story, in its classic simplicity, presents a classic truth:
love, among the rich, can be cruel.

Love among the rich is different simply because the rich are rich, and for no
other reason. (F. Scott Fitzgerald's sensitive observation about the rich
that they are "different" from you and me and Ernest Hemingway's flat-footed
rebuttal of it, that they have more money, reveals only that one man
understood the power of money and the other did not.) "Power," states an old
Chinese proverb, "is ancient wealth." And it is to this thinking that most
American rich, knowingly or not, subscribe. The adjective here is most
important. In order for the power — the influence, the prestige, the ability
to control other people and shore up reserves against the world's inequities
— to be at its fullest, the money must age. This is why the newly rich are
very different from the anciently rich. Money, like a good strand of pearls,
improves and grows more lustrous with each generation that wears it.

This, of course, explains why so much of the talk among the very old rich is
family talk. Money is part of the bloodline, inextricable from it, celebrated
along with it so that the two are tacitly considered to be the same. Family
money is a thing that, from generation to generation, must not only be
preserved, but must also be enriched and fed and nourished from time to time,
from whatever sources are at hand, resupplied from other wells of ancient
wealth. Otherwise, any family fortune — unless the strictest rules of
primogeniture are adhered to — dissipates quickly through division, taxation,
and simple spending. Marriage, therefore — the right marriage — is of prime
importance. "Love" — taken to mean romantic love, or even sex — must be
subordinated to that, or at least made equivalent to that. Among the rich,
money and love and marriage go together like a horse and a pair of carriages
— the money being the horse that pulls the caravan. In upperclass love, money
is always raising its ugly head. Before the demands of love can be met, the
demands of money must be. In marriage, money is definitely the dirty part;
sooner or later all the implications of that five-letter word must be faced.

The rich in America are often accused of living in the past, but this is not
really the case. The past, the family, and where the money came from provide
a textured background for what goes on today, but the true concern of the
rich is for the future: where the money will go. A child is more than a
child. He is also the carrier of the money into the next generation, and the
one after that. This is the reason for the unquestioning obedie

[CTRL] [8] Ritual Abuse

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Ritual Abuse
Margaret Smith©1993
HarperCollins Publishers
10 East 53rd Street
New York, NY 10022
ISBN 0-06-250214-X
213pps — out-of-print
--[8]--

Chapter 8

Survivor Revictimization and Proposed Solutions

One of the most important aspects of talking about survivor revictimization
is identifying the victimizers. Are they the cult members or part of the
noncult public? If revictimizers are cult members, then they victimize
survivors either because they are acting on orders, or because they can't
handle their own entrapment in the cult. The noncult public revictimizes
survivors because they don't believe survivors. They don't want to hear about
ritual abuse because it scares them. They want to believe they live in a safe
world. They want to send their children to school and church worry-free. They
don't want to know about the corruption. They don't want to believe cults
have power because they would have to change their entire understanding of
the world.

When I first remembered the abuse, I told everyone about my memories. It
never occurred to me that I wouldn't be believed. It never occurred to me
that people wouldn't have compassion for me. Many of my friends said they
believed something bad had happened to me, but they didn't believe the ritual
abuse memories. A few of my friends believed the ritual abuse memories, but
they couldn't believe the prevalence of the problem. It is devastating to
have the memories questioned. Let's put it this way: When I am feeling the
pain of the abuse and someone has the nerve to doubt my memories, it feels
like I am lying there, with bruises up and down my thighs, welts on my rectum
and vagina, while the onlookers determine whether I have a tight to my pain.

 Just as devastating as the nonbelievers were the people who believed me,
but who decided I was somehow responsible for what happened. I was judged and
blamed for things I couldn't control. One friend told me she didn't think I
felt guilty enough. She wanted me to scream and cry in remorse for the
violence I was forced to commit. What she didn't realize is that I felt so
guilty when it happened that I stopped feeling at all. I don't accept blame
for what happened to me. I remember how bad it was, and that the society that
is judging me today is the same society that turned its back on me when I was
a child.

Then there were the people who believed me, but who wanted to control my
recovery They wanted to tell me where my wounds were. They wanted to tell me
how to heal. Like the cult, they told me who to love and who to hate. Not
being believed is painful enough. Being blamed for what happened felt as
cruel as cult behavior Trying to tell me how to live my life, and how to
understand the ritual abuse, is every bit as violating as being blamed and
not believed.

  Society needs to accept that sometimes people do hurt other people on
purpose. They need to stop pretending they live in a safe world at the
expense of those who are victimized. They need to feel their own pain so that
they can have compassion for those of us who have the courage to face our
pasts. And if they can't handle it, they need to understand that it is their
problem, not ours.


It seems clear from the newspaper reports I have seen linking child molesting
with "Satanic Rituals," that the phenomenology of the Salem witch trials is
being created all over again; that is, innocent adults are being accused by
hysterical children.
Catholic theologian Aidan Kelly[1]


Jeffrey Burton Russell, a historian at U.C. Santa Barbara who has written a
four-volume study of the idea of the devil, sees a parallel between fear of
satanism and the witch trials of the past "brought on by hysteria."... "My
one wish is people would play this down and it will go away."

Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1991

Not only does the general public offer no support to survivors, many
of the people who are supposed to help them don't either. Many survivors are
revictimized as they search for therapists. Most therapists do not believe
children are abused in cults. Some therapists believe ritual abuse happens,
but they are unaware of the prevalence of the problem. When survivors do find
therapists who believe them, skeptics say survivors are led by these
therapists to believe they are ritual abuse survivors. They say being a
satanic ritual abuse survivor is a fad.


Authorities say America is witnessing an epidemic of concern over Satan and
his minions, especially among adherents of fundamentalist Christianity.
So-called ritual abuse is only a part of it. But are these tales of incest
and human sacrifice true? Many mental health experts think not.

Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1991

When ritual abuse is publicly denied, it is extremely painful for the victims
who are trying to recover. Ritual abuse survivors really have two
perpetrators: the cults that violated them, and the society that let it
happen and that today still does not pro

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SECRET PANEL DECIDES WHO CAN DRIVE: Coming to your state?

The Asheville tribune
June 2, 1999 by Dana Davis

A woman recently visited a local DMV branch to notify them of a change of
address and requested an updated driver's license to indicate as such. What
she got was much more than she bargained for.

When Sylvia English, 39, single, and no children, went to the East Asheville
branch of the NC Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to update her driver's
license she did not realize that she needed her social security card. Upon
finding out, English says she vocalized her disapproval to the DMV examiner.

The examiner explained to her that all applicants seeking a driver's
license, regardless of their record, are to provide their social security
number as mandated by President Clinton's Executive Order 13019, issued on
Sept. 28, 1996, supposedly designed to keep track of 'dead-beat' parents.

English did not have her social security card with her, so she had to return
the next day with it. Upon English's second examination with the E.
Asheville DMV, she claims she was asked questions which were agitating to
her. English said DMV Examiner Creasman asked her in depth questions about
her physical health, mental health, and if she was registered to vote.

Examiner Creasman abruptly ceased communication when contacted by The
Asheville Tribune. However, Examiner Hyder from the West Asheville branch
said that the DMV is required to ask all applicants if they suffer from any
health problems. If the examiner is not too busy, Hyder said there is a list
of specific questions regarding someone's health, as it relates to their
ability to drive, that an examiner can choose to ask the applicant.
Therefore, according to Hyder, it is not odd that Creasman asked English
these questions.

Regardless, English says she answered all of the questions and provided all
information and identification that was asked of her by Examiner Creasman.
Though, she admits that she did so with obvious disgust because she felt the
questioning to be invasive, and, after all, she only wanted to change her
address.

Creasman granted English the updated license, but not without a hitch. On
May 7, English received a letter from DMV officials in Raleigh instructing
her to complete and return a ten-page medical evaluation within 30 days or
else her license would be canceled due to a medical incapacity to drive
safely.

Furthermore, completion of the report requires that she provide her
signature. But the only place on the entire form that allows for English's
signature succeeds the following paragraph:

"I hereby authorize Dr. __ to give any examination he deems
necessary for the purpose of determining my physical fitness to operate a
motor vehicle. I also authorize any other physicians who attended me, or any
hospital or clinic in which I have been examined or treated, to give the
Division of Motor Vehicles or its representative any information they may
request concerning my condition. I understand this authorization includes
permission for this information to be reviewed by a panel of unidentified
physicians for the purpose giving the Division a medical opinion on my case.

SIGNATURE OF APPLICANT__" English says she considers herself
an 'open' person and has no problem allowing her doctor to conduct a
physical exam to determine if she can drive a car safely. What English
adamantly objects to is giving the DMV access to her entire medical history,
to be freely scrutinized by a 'panel of unidentified physicians.'

When Examiner Hyder was asked if he would sign such a report, authorizing
the DMV to view his complete medical history, he responded, "I would have no
problem signing the medical report if I didn't have anything to hide."

English says she doesn't have anything to hide. According to English, she
has no insurance points, has not been in an accident, and in 33 years of
driving, has received only one ticket - a DUI in 1993. She received the
required physical from her doctor, but she feels the DMV's evaluation is
unreasonably invasive and unjust, and she does not understand why she must
grant them permission to secretly peer into her entire life. Incidentally,
the page requiring the signature also has an unidentified bar-code at the
bottom.

Hyder explained that DMV appointed physicians who study an applicant's
medical report are to remain unidentified to protect themselves from any
possible danger in case they determine an applicant is unfit to have a
driver's license. He guessed that the bar-code is probably a way to keep
track of a person's file.

Legal exp

[CTRL] SA-social conditions

[Taylor, John (JH)]

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Most of SADC's population scratch a June 04, 1999
© Weekly Mail & Guardian
living from the soil
Ian Clayton
Out of a population of 180-million in the Southern Africa Development
Community (SADC), only one in 10 has a job in the formal sector and only
about 20% of the economically active population have jobs, a Norwegian
researcher, Liv Torres, has established.
This gives an unemployment rate of nearly 80% in the SADC countries,
excluding Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Seychelles - and
would be even higher if those countries were included.
Torres also found that only about 40% of those in formal sector employment
are organised. Those without formal sector jobs are "unemployed or struggle
to find means of survival in the informal sector of subsistence farming.
"To have a job or not has become a `to be or not to be', in countries with
few, or no, safety nets," she says. "At the same time, a large portion of
those within the formal sector labour market earn less than poverty wages.
Child labour, HIV, labour migration, low skills levels, tenant labour
systems and poverty within the labour market pose further political and
economic challenges for the SADC countries and for regional integration."
Torres reaches these conclusions in a study called Labour Markets in
Southern Africa, which has been published by the Oslo-based Fafo Institute
for Applied Social Science.
She says the poverty development trend in Southern Africa has to be reversed
and economic growth is without doubt the most powerful weapon in the fight
for higher living standards.
"Yet, as important for poverty eradication as well as economic development,
although often underestimated, is the distribution of income and wealth.
"The benefits of growth for the poor may be eroded if the distribution of
income worsens, which might also undermine the incentives for
growth-inducing economic reforms."
Southern Africa is challenged by a lack of growth in the formal sector, huge
wealth disparities and labour market segmentation reinforcing the social
cleavages in society at large. Large majorities are employed in subsistence
farming in the rural areas and in informal activities in the urban areas.
However, she warns that the level of existing statistics and updated
information about Southern Africa is very poor and this has to be improved
to be able to make informed policy decisions.
"Southern Africa needs to exit from the circle of low-paid labour,
unemployment/informal/subsistence sector survival strategies and low
education and skills levels.
"Lack of education and low skills levels are hereditary; illiterates are
thrown into survival strategies, which neither build further skills levels
for themselves nor for their children.
"In order to exit from these bad circles, regional strategies are needed,
but future regional strategies that are based on informed knowledge about
the characteristics, sector and occupational composition, skills levels, and
migration patterns of the current labour markets. A regional information and
resource centre is long overdue."
Torres says the economic problems of Southern Africa can to some extent be
attributed to the fact that the countries in the region have been locked
into roles as exporters of either raw materials or crops.
These countries have inherited from colonial times a low-skilled workforce
and extremely divided labour markets in which highly paid skills and
resources have to be imported from outside. Several of these countries have
also inherited, developed or got stuck in "enclave economics", in which they
remain fully dependent upon the production and export of raw materials
and/or raw crops.
Southern Africa became increasingly marginalised in the world economy
through the 1970s and 1980s, and the economies of the region became
progressively under greater control of and dependent upon the World Bank and
the International Monetary Fund and their structural adjustment programmes.
By the mid-1990s, the region's debt was estimated at between $150-billion
and $180-billion - between R9 000-billion and R12 000-billion.
The overall growth rate for the African continent stood at 3,7% in 1995, up
from 1,9% in 1994, and during the 1990s, three Southern African countries
have exceeded 8%, namely Lesotho, Mauritius and Uganda.
However, poverty rates in sub-Saharan Africa are increasing. Greater poverty
as well as Aids and unrest have also contributed to the worsening of human
development indicators. Already 44% of Mozambicans, 38% of Malawians and 39%
of Angolans do not expect to see the age of 40.
In the SADC countries, excluding Angola, Congo and the Seychelles, the
economically active population stands at 50 7272 610 but only 11 104 405
have formal employment.
Agriculture is clearly the most important sector of employment as well as
the most important contributor to the gross domestic product, with 70% to
75% of employment in Southern Africa being in agriculture.
Torres also says tha

[CTRL] Flesh and chips

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

Flesh and chips May 14, 1999
Mail and Guardian
Cyborgs have feelings too. When California neurosurgeon Gary Heit activated
one of the implants he had just put into a human brain, the man burst into
tears. Heit's patient at Stanford university neurosurgery clinic was crying
because, for the first time in 15 years, he was able to button up his own
shirt.
A debilitating tremor, similar to that caused by Parkinson's disease, meant
this 79-year-old man had been unable to feed or clothe himself. Silicon
technology and biological material - hard wiring and soft flesh - can now be
combined, but so far, the results have remained unmistakably human.
Actor Christopher Reeve, paralysed from the neck down in a riding accident
in 1995, could be enabled to walk again with technology already available,
Heit says. "If somebody gave me sufficient funds to pull a research group
together I could get Christopher Reeve to walk in two years. I could
probably make him stumble right now."
Heit says it is simply lack of money that holds the field back from giving
greater benefit to those debilitated by lack of brain function. A brain
implant for an injured human being can cost more than $20 000, which he
believes is a trivial sum compared with the way it revolutionises patients'
lives.
Cases like Reeve's would require an array of implanted high-speed
microprocessors to analyse brain activity and translate those impulses into
electrical commands. Those commands could be passed to a set of electrodes
attached to the nerves that would stimulate muscles to perform a walking
action.
A few kilometres from the Stanford campus, a biotech spin-off company is
about to begin commercialising another development in the silicon-biology
interface, invented by researchers at the University of Bangor.
Aura Diagnostics of Mountain View, California will develop a
laboratory-on-a- chip capable of isolating cancer cells in tiny blood
samples. The process, which uses electrical signals to manipulate biological
molecules, should enable early detection of cancers. It could also provide
simple, quick and accurate tests for meningitis, and a means for
regenerating damaged tissues and organs.
It is one of many similar innovations now moving from research prototype
into commercialisation: the Institute for Cancer Research unveiled its own
"cancer chip" last month.
The Bangor researchers were unable to find British backing. As was always
the case with the computer chip industry, commercial exploitation of the
silicon-biotechnology interface is still largely confined to American soil.
Dawn may reach the United States a few hours later, but the future always
seems to arrive there first.
Seeing the lucrative potential of this particular future, US firms that made
fortunes through information technology are now looking to apply their
expertise to biology.
Motorola has just begun work on a project with the US Department of Energy's
Argonne national laboratory and Packard Instruments, a Connecticut-based
pharmaceutical instrument company. The aim is a mass production technique
for "biochips" - thumb-size wafers that carry out information processing on
the chemicals of life.
Unravelling the human genetic code will provide ways of diagnosing and
treating genetic diseases and cancers, as well as giving us an instruction
manual for the assembly of the human body. But this is a complex business,
and painfully slow when done by standard laboratory means.
By combining biochips with robots and computers the Argonne researchers
claim they will be able to find one genetic variation among three billion
DNA data bits in a matter of minutes. Conventional methods take days.
Like the microchip, the biochip will be mass-produced by photolithography
techniques, a big operational change for conventional biotech companies.
`From our point of view, these biochips are a huge dimension shift," says
Rolan Papen, business development manager for Packard Instruments. "You have
to start thinking of clean rooms and miniaturised components. The companies
that have a lot of experience with this are people like Motorola."
Making a biochip involves laying down a forest of DNA material onto a glass
substrate. There can be as many as 400 000 DNA strands on a chip, and each
one is designed to trap - and thus detect - a certain type of DNA sequence.
The four chemical blocks that make up DNA - generally referred to as the
bases A, T, C and G - only bind together in certain ways, as with Ts and Cs
with Gs.
The DNA strands attached to the biochips contain carefully designed
sequences of these bases attached to the glass substrate. The DNA to be
tested is broken up into fragments which are tagged with a fluorescent
chemical and then washed over the chip. The way these fragments bond with
the DNA on the biochip, shown up as the chip is scanned with a laser pulse,
allows researchers to infer their genetic makeup.
The ultra-fast processing power of the DNA chips is set to change t

[CTRL] World not heading for a war of civilisations

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

05 February 1999   Business day
World not heading for a war of civilisations
The issue of cultural globalisation is complex. Peter Berger looks at the
processes which currently define it








THE term "globalisation" has become something of a cliché. It serves to
explain everything from the woes of the German coal industry to the sexual
habits of Japanese teenagers.

As with most clichés, this one has some validity. The world has become a
more interconnected global economy, which has vast social and political
implications. The cultural dimension is an obvious consequence of an
increase in global communications. If there is economic globalisation there
is also cultural globalisation.

The issue of global culture is significant, involving both fears and hopes.
The optimists believe that, due to greater unification, a global civil
society may be born. This "global culture" may induce a more peaceful world.
The pessimists predict the opposite: conflicts will be fewer, less
ideological and more "civilisational", with people fighting over religion,
values, culture and so on.

My assumption is that we will move into an age somewhere in the middle of
these extremes. There is a global culture which is primarily of western,
namely US, origin which is spreading through the world. But that does not
mean it is going to have an absolute hegemony. This global culture interacts
with indigenous cultures in a number of ways. The interest lies in how these
processes manifest themselves at the level of personal, everyday life.

If there is to be a dialogue between cultures, it requires a clearer
understanding of all the processes at work, both of cultural globalisation
and of resistance to it. There are at least four distinct processes going on
simultaneously, relating in complex ways to each other and the indigenous
cultures on which they impinge.

Firstly, and arguably most importantly, is Davos culture. This term was
first coined by Samuel Huntington and refers to the culture of the elite and
of those who aspire to join the elite. This culture is globalised by global
economic processes. Its carrier is international business. Participants in
this culture know how to deal with computers, cellular phones, airline
schedules, currency exchange and the like.

They all dress alike, exhibit the same amicable informality, and relieve
tension by similar attempts at humour and, of course, most of them interact
in English.

This culture carries over into the lifestyles and presumably the values of
those who participate in it. There is a yuppie style in the corporation, but
also in the bodybuilding studio and in the bedroom. Notions of costs,
benefits and maximisation spill over from work into private life.

The second process is the faculty club culture. This refers to the
globalisation of western intelligentsia. If the Davos culture tries to sell
computer systems in India, the faculty club tries to promote feminism or
environmentalism there. It is carried not by international business, but by
international academic networks - nongovernmental organisations,
international foundations such as Ford, Rockefeller, Greenpeace and so on.
Like the Davos culture, it is primarily an elite culture with aspirants from
the lower echelons of cultural enterprises.

A wonderful example of faculty club culture is the anti-smoking movement.
The attempt by developed societies to impose their disdain for smoking on
the undeveloped countries of the world, notwithstanding the far greater
health crises faced by those countries, fits well in the globalisation of
the faculty club culture.

There is obvious tension between the first and second processes. Clearly,
the anti-smoking movement collides with the tobacco industry. While the
Davos culture propagates capitalist business in wherever, Greenpeace may
attack that business in the name of environmentalism.

The other two areas are somewhat different, less organised and less visible.

Popular culture is most credibly subsumed under the category of
westernisation, since virtually all of it is western and, more specifically,
American. Young and old throughout the world live and aspire to the American
way of life. They wear the jeans, eat the food and watch the TV programmes.
This is not just a matter of behaviour. It carries a significant freight of
beliefs and values. Rock music symbolises a whole cluster of cultural values
concerning self-expression, spontaneity, released sexuality and the defiance
of the alleged stodginess of tradition.

The people who run the globalisation of popular culture are aspiring members
of the Davos elite. But the consumers are a vastly broader population.
Indigenous reactions vary from complete acceptance to complete rejection.
Complete acceptance generally leads to a clash between the generations which
is presumably an important motive for acceptance in the first place. Young
people set out to enrage their parents. Complete rejection on the other hand
is

Re: [CTRL] Implants

[William Shannon]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 6/6/99 3:49:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< due to the nature
 of the exploitive adult film industry its quite possible she may of been mind
 controlled >>

I'd have to seriously doubt this Steve. Maybe back in the days of film there
was some Linda Lovelace type mind control going on, but nowadays the industry
is so closely monitored, so open, I doubt that these horror stories continue..

NO one tortures a U.S. citizen and
gets away with it.<<

Will you start your crusade with Ken Starr?? What he did to Susan MacDougal
is tantamount to torture, no??

Bill

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

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Well Amelia, I for one dislike implants preferring the natural. Pam Anderson
looked like she had a floatation device on her chest.


Bill.

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[CTRL] [12b]Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh,(C) 1994
PENGUIN BOOKS
Published by the Penguin Group
Penguin Books Ltd. 27 Wrights Lane London W8 3TZ, England
--[12b]--

In many respects, the Wandervogel, with their 'earth mysticism' and idealism,
anticipated the hippies of the 60s and the so-called New Age Travellers of
today, except that they were primarily middle-class and did not pursue their
activities on a full-time basis, only on weekends and holidays. Bands of
Wandervogel would embark on the kind of diversions familiar enough to our own
epoch: camping and hiking forays into the mountains and forests, nights spent
convivially around campfires, folksinging, storytelling, poetry reading. At
the simplest level, they advocated an even then cliched 'return to nature'.
The more sophisticated of them embraced a kind of romantic pantheism and a
strikingly modem insistence on ecology and environmental conservation. '
Volkische' ideology figured prominently in the Wandervogel movement, and
there was much talk of Herder's 'folk soul', of pagan Germanic culture, of
the mystique of the German forest and its nurturing power, as well as of the
need to reconcile spirit and nature, and to establish a new basis for man's
relationship to his environment and the natural world around him.

At their best, the Wandervogel could be a positive and healthy force. They
included in their ranks a number of future thinkers and cultural figures, as
well, of course, as the Stauffenberg brothers. They espoused a number of
values and attitudes which would be found congenial today. They offered a
respite, even if only temporarily, from the dire social and economic
conditions that prevailed in Germany, and they represented a positive
alternative to hard-line left-wing agitators who sought to foment in Germany
a Russian-style revolution. Yet it is also easy to see how the Wandervogel,
in their youthful idealism and gullibility, could be co-opted for purposes
more sinister than they themselves recognised at the time.

Shortly after the Nazi accession to power, all youth movements, including the
Wandervogel, were subsumed into a single, all-encompassing organisation, the
Hitler Youth. Unlike its more bohemian predecessors, the Hitler Youth
stressed obedience, hierarchy and discipline, and incorporated a specifically
martial dimension. Uniforms were worn, activities were expanded to include
marching and drill manoeuvres, and a military-style command structure was
introduced. A new aggressiveness supplanted the old pacifism, as exemplified
by the organisation's official song:

Who'er against us stands
Shall fall beneath our hands.
Our lives and loyalty,
Our Fuhrer, are pledged to thee.[20]

There were also lectures in 'racial biology', and other such typical National
Socialist preoccupations. The diffuse, more or less inchoate religious
gropings of the earlier Wandervogel were not only reinforced, but also given
a sharper, more specific, focus. Members of the Hitler Youth were initiated
into neo-pagan rituals and taught, quite explicitly, that Hitler was the
representative on earth of the divine.[21] Service to Hitler, and to Hitler's
Germany, was invested with a sacred and consecrated status.

If the Wandervogel anticipated developments of the 60s, so, too, did another
element in the air immediately preceding and following the First World War.
This, too, helped National Socialism to establish itself as a surrogate
religion. Freud, Jung, Adler and Otto Rank had only just opened up the vast,
new and uncharted territory of depth psychology and the unconscious. The
vistas it afforded were as revelatory, and as exciting, as those following
the discovery of America in the late fifteenth century. In those first heady
days, psychology was able to arrogate to itself the status of a legitimate
and recognised science, with all the prestige and credibility that science
enjoyed. But if the psychologist was deemed analogous to the discoverer of a
new continent, the true 'conquistadore' of the unconscious was the artist.
Not just individual figures, but whole schools - the Surrealists in France,
for example, and the Expressionists in Germany - attempted to hurl themselves
into the unconscious as if into a welcoming pool. When they surfaced, they
triumphantly proclaimed the unconscious to be a conduit to the numinous.
Through such figures as the Surrealists and the Expressionists, psychology
was made to converge with religion, and to open out, like a funnel, into a
specifically religious domain. There thus arose a preoccupation with the
mystical or numinous experience as a psychological phenomenon, and with what,
during the 1960s, would come to be called 'altered states of consciousness'.
As in the 19605, this preoccupation was to receive an added stimulus and
impetus from drugs.

Drugs were not, of course, unique to Germany. Nor were they in any sense new.
Ergot

[CTRL] [12a] Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler - repost

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh,(C) 1994
PENGUIN BOOKS
Published by the Penguin Group
Penguin Books Ltd. 27 Wrights Lane London W8 3TZ, England
--[12a]--

11

Myth and Might

For most English-speaking readers today, and especially for those who fought
it, the Second World War was probably as close as one can imagine to a just
war. It had a clearly discernible and defined justification and sanction.
Moral issues were starkly delineated. There was no question of who was right,
who wrong. Distance in time has, of course, rendered certain Allied actions
and policies - the bombing of Dresden, for example - difficult, if not
impossible, to condone; but except for the occasional warped would-be
historian, no one has attempted to excuse or 'rehabilitate' Nazi Germany.

If the Second World War was indeed a just conflict, it was so because it
constituted a moral contest, a crusade against madness and recognisable
'evil'. General Eisenhower could title his account Crusade in Europe without
seeming guilty of pretentiousness, portentousness or rhetorical hyperbole. To
the extent that Nazi Germany could be seen as embodying and incarnating the
potential madness and 'evil' of all mankind, that madness and 'evil' became
endowed with form; and once something is endowed with form, it can be opposed.
One knows what one is fighting against, and this clarifies and crystallises
what one is fighting for. If one knows what one is fighting for, the fight is
meaningful and justifiable.

By incarnating madness and 'evil' within itself, the Nazi regime,
paradoxically, 'redeemed' the rest of the Western world into sanity and
virtue. This, with typical Olympian irony, Thomas Mann demonstrates in Doctor
Faustus; and other writers, from George Steiner in England to Jorge Luis
Borges and Carlos Fuentes in Latin America, have since picked up the theme. It
took Nazi Germany to teach us the meaning of atrocity and outrage. It took
Auschwitz and Treblinka to remind us of what we as human beings are capable of
perpetrating, despite our veneer of civilisation, and to make us wish to
disown such propensities. Nazi Germany rendered us, albeit only temporarily
perhaps, a degree or two more moral, more decent - a degree or two more
sensitive to such things as, for example, 'ethnic cleansing' in what used to
be Yugoslavia. To that extent, and however uncomfortably the recognition may
sit with us, we are in Nazi Germany's debt.

If the Second World War made sense and rested on some moral basis, the First
World War did not. On the contrary, the First World War was the most
terrifyingly insane conflict in the whole of modem European history, not
excepting the Thirty Years War of 1618-48. It was insane in its causes (or
lack thereof), its motivation (or lack thereof), and the policies (or lack
thereof) that precipitated it. It was pre-eminently insane in its conduct. On
the opening day of the Battle of the Somme on I July 1916, more than a hundred
thousand British and French soldiers, forming three lines fifteen miles long,
clambered out of their trenches. Each bearing sixty pounds of equipment on his
back, they then proceeded not to charge, not to duck or dodge, but to march,
as if on parade, into the face of machine guns firing more than a hundred
rounds per minute. By the end of the first day - the single most costly day in
the history of the British Army - 57,470 had fallen. By the end of the battle,
the toll on all sides amounted to a million and a half. The territory gained
at this price came to an average, along the front, of five miles - five miles
of mud, of shell craters, rubble and devastated fields.

This was insanity, and the insanity was repeated at Verdun, at Ypres and
Passchendaele, at Gallipoli, on the Russian and Italian fronts. Never had
mankind engaged in such wholesale and mindless slaughter to so little purpose,
with so little to show for it. And while this orgy of carnage enacted itself,
arms merchants and munitions manufacturers in Britain, France and Germany were
negotiating business deals and trade agreements with each other, keeping the
blood flowing because it was profitable to do so.

There have been numerous evocations of the First World War's madness. Some of
the best, and most penetrating, can be found in Hermann Broch's novel The
Sleepwalkers, first published in 1931.


The unreal is the illogical. And this age seems to have a capacity for
surpassing even the acme of illogicality . . . it is as if the monstrous
reality of the war had blotted out the reality of the world. Fantasy has
become logical reality . . . An age that is softer and more cowardly than any
preceding age suffocates in waves of blood and poison-gas; nations of bank
clerks and profiteers hurl themselves upon barbed wire . . . Amid a blurring
of all forms, in a twilight of apathetic uncertainty brooding over a ghostly
world, man like a lost child gr

[CTRL] Systems Thinking & Government Failure

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23

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Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola

Systems Thinking & Government Failure

by James Wright


I took a training class a few years back, to learn SPC/SQC; this is
Statistical Process Control / Statistical Quality Control. All the
math-phobic reading this can relax; I’m not going to try to condense
three days of instruction into an essay. But I learned quite a few
useful things from this class, which may help you to improve your
understanding of why U.S. government actions, works and departments so
often fail to reach their objectives.

The instructor started by defining a system as a process which takes
inputs and transforms them into outputs. Simple enough, yet powerful
when widely applied. He drew three columns on the board and started
filling them in.

Inputs   Process  Outputs
Adult coyotes,  Reproduction   Baby coyotes
rabbits, water,
other carrion, time

Money, materials,General MotorsGM automobiles
work, time

Matter, energy, time   Reality   Universe


That last one is probably a bit too simplistic, but it gets the idea
across: any process can be analyzed in terms of what it uses, how it
transforms it, and what results. Anyone doing this can choose the level
of detail you want in inputs and outputs, few or many.

Another idea I want to bring in from this course was also from the first
day of instruction:

Every system is perfectly designed, carefully maintained and precisely
operated to give you exactly what you get.

This applies to all systems, not just the heavily-automated industrial
machinery processes we were concerned with at the time. It applies to
the coyote system, to GM, the universe and all the various systems we
call America. The rest of the world will have to analyze their own
systems; I’m not familiar enough with them to comment.

I am writing this to spread this virulent set of memes across the land
as efficiently as possible, because I see some of the same things that
Robert L. Kocher does, albeit from an engineering point of view. Many,
many people across this land cannot understand that all the governmental
"systems" that are failing us on a daily basis are doing so because they
have to. They are designed faultily, maintained faultily or operated
faultily, and failings are what they produce. The examples are numerous,
but here are a few to get you started.

Inputs  Process
Outputs
Children, tax money,Government schools Dull and
apathetic adults
 time, teachers,
  unwilling to think critically
facilities, administrators,
"theories" regulations,...

People, tax money,  Government tax system (IRS) Coerced adults
deprived of
time, papers, laws,
   what they’ve produced in order
facilities,...
   to fund government "programs"

People, tax money,Prisons
   Alienated, hardened and
time, facilities, laws, ...
determined criminals who

   cannot fit into society well


People, money,  American society
Indeterminate; largely a
time, facilities,
 mixture of mature adults,
laws, customs,...
"tall children", criminals,

deviant-behavior types,

   saints, sinners, 






If you do not appreciate what the system you observe is giving you, then
you need to change something. One definition of insanity is doing the
same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. By that
definition, anyone who wants to "mend them, not end them" must
demonstrate that mending them will produce better results. Government
tried to "mend" the welfare system for forty years before finally moving
towards "ending" it, by giving those on welfare a few years to find a
job before benefits were to terminate. Someone finally got the message
that the welfare "system" was fundamentally flawed in design (and
operation), and could not be "mended" under the existing design limits.
It may finally be time to "end" the government schools systems, the
government tax systems, the prison systems, or others similar systems.

Some more insights from systems theory and operation are available.

Imagine a thermostat: the box on the wall you tweak when the house is
too hot or cold. Imagine you have one of the old kind, a
single-controller unit that controls both the furnace and air
conditioner. Imagine setting the controller to try to cool the house to
74 degrees at the same time it is set to heat it to 75 degrees. What
happens?

The air conditioner 

[CTRL] Microsoft Madness

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23

-
Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola

Microsoft Madness

by Don Lobo Tiggre


One of the most bizarre aspects of the just-resumed U.S. government
persecution of Microsoft is the number of libertarians, anarchists,
objectivists, and other ostensibly pro-freedom individuals who are
cheering the state on. These people allege that Microsoft has done
Terrible Things, and maybe it has, but it’s still very strange that they
should so strongly favor the state’s use of a power it shouldn’t have:
the economic interference we call "anti-trust".

First off, let me say that I am not particularly a fan of Microsoft. It
seems hypocritical, to say the very least, that Microsoft (MS) should
use the bludgeon of the state against software companies that allegedly
"reverse engineer" MS products, when MS Windows itself is nothing but a
second-rate "reverse engineering" of the MacIntosh operating system
(OS). Ah, if only Apple had licensed the Mac OS, how different the world
would be! J And have you ever tried to get any so-called "support" from
Microsoft? Hah! What a joke!

Also, the practice of requiring hardware manufacturers that want to use
MS products to sign contracts guaranteeing that they will only use MS
products seems short sighted. It’s an aggressive move with the likely
outcome of long-term costs in enmity outweighing short-term gains in
cash flow.

However, as aggressive as that move has been, it is one that hardware
manufacturers have accepted voluntarily, in order to be able to sell
more products—they know what the consumer’s choice is most likely to be.
As Microsoft attorney John Warden put it during opening statements in
the trial, on October 20, 1998:

"Microsoft hasn't denied consumer choice, it is consumer choice..."

And that’s really the bottom line, isn’t it? People choose to use MS
products. No one forces them. Even the state’s own star economic witness
admitted on January 12, 1999, the final day of the government’s case,
that Microsoft has done nothing so far that would harm consumers. This
is why I have used the word "persecution" instead of "prosecution"—this
isn’t about protecting the people (the general purpose alleged to
justify the state) and never has been. It may be about protecting
Microsoft’s rivals at public expense—has anyone checked the campaign
contributions made by those rivals?—but is more likely a simple matter
of the state reacting with hostility to any large and powerful
organization it doesn’t control. In this context, the state’s
persecution of Microsoft is unethical, unconstitutional, and
counterproductive. Perhaps the state has other reasons for its
actions—could it be they the statists know that MS has the power to
seriously disrupt their systems, should it ever occur to them to do so?

Whatever the answer to that may be, my take on the whole situation might
be quite different if the state’s case were based on the allegations of
out-right fraud and other forms of sublimated violence that
anti-Microsoft people accuse the company of. If MS really has done those
Terrible Things, then the victims should step forward and press charges
for their legitimate grievances.

Using Government to Bludgeon Competitors

But that’s not what we see. Instead of victims of real harm, we see a
loser in the marketplace resorting to the coercive mechanisms of the
state to try to benefit his company. In the free market, you don’t
always win and you can’t force your opponents to give you market share,
but people like Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale don’t seem to get it.
Consider this ‘enlightening’ comment by Barksdale recorded by Wired
 magazine’s Joe Nickell:

"As long as there are competing products on the shelf for soup, if I can
access either and buy either without... any of the stuff in the soup
that I may not want because they have included it without asking me, I
would think that would be an open market."

Never mind the confused nature of this statement—people get nervous on
the witness stand and don’t always make the most sense—it would still be
nonsense if it was clearer. Nobody but Campbell’s tells Campbell’s what
to put in their cans of soup, and there are competing cans of software
"soup" on the shelves; it’s just that most people pick MS "soup" of
their own free will. In fact, before MS started giving their Internet
Explorer away for free, Barksdale was arguably in a more monopolistic
position than Bill Gates, since Netscape was used by pretty much
everybody (and was also given away for free).

But Netscape didn’t get the lion’s share of the browser market by any
dastardly means; they just produced a product that worked like nothing
else out there and gave it away. Microsoft may have done some dastardly
deeds in

[CTRL] Well-Wishers Bid Families Adieu

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23

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Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola

Well-Wishers Bid Families Adieu

by Peter Topolewski


Chalk up another victory for the decency soldiers of the feel-good 90s.
This one goes to the politically appointed social engineers in Canada’s
Supreme Court. With the familiar refrain "get with it, this is the 90s",
they delivered a decision to strike down the heterosexual definition of
"spouse", demonstrating that they lack foresight as much as the other
politically correct cronies who have, this decade, deconstructed meaning
in the name of "civility".

The case came to the Supreme Court of Canada when a Toronto lesbian
discovered she could not seek alimony from her ex-lover and business
partner because Ontario laws defined spouse as someone of the opposite
sex. The woman sued to have the definition struck down and two lower
courts agreed with her. The Ontario government appealed the decision all
the way to the top and lost. In its decision the court gave Ontario six
months to amend its laws, noting that dozens of them use the
heterosexual definition. The federal government and all the provincial
governments will have to fall in line or face future lawsuits.

Outside of the immense paperwork required, the legal ramifications are
far reaching. In addition to granting a gay person’s right to alimony,
the court decision affects the tax code, spousal benefits, health care
coverage, and such things as disclosure rules for elected officials and
political appointees. This means that with the benefits due them gay
couples will also take on the accompanying legal responsibilities and
headaches that heterosexuals know all too well – headaches and
responsibilities that many gays would happily and ironically leave to
heterosexuals.

The Meaning of Spouse

The woman who originally brought the case to court, and who long ago
settled out of court, was essentially in a contractual relationship born
of the time she spent with her girlfriend and the division of the spoils
from their business venture. Not surprisingly, at its core the Supreme
Court’s ruling outlines the legal contractual obligations required by
and of homosexuals in a relationship. But to grant these obligations by
questioning the definition of the word spouse and declaring that its
exclusively heterosexual application is unconstitutional is not only
pointless, but also unjustified. And the reason is simple – the
heterosexual definition of the word "spouse" cannot be unconstitutional
because that is what spouse means. And the alimony payments and the
legal obligations applying to spouses do not apply to homosexuals
because they are not, by definition, spouses. The Ontario laws do not
apply to homosexuals and therefore cannot be unconstitutional. If there
is an absence of law to cover the obligations and benefits due
homosexual couples, fine, but no matter what the Supreme Court says,
"spouse" concerns only husbands and wives.

The winners in this wondrous display of doublespeak are, as usual, the
lawyers. For they, most of all, will be busy in the courtrooms arguing
on behalf of a sibling, friend, and or half-relative roommate who is
common law and owed alimony among other things. Everyone, the courts
will convince us soon enough, in any kind of relationship has the right
to be a spouse. Or so the relativist vigilantes would have the rest of
us believe.

The problem is that with the ends in sight we have lost all sight of the
means. In fighting to inscribe in law the equal treatment of all people,
those fighting the equal rights battles have allowed equality to become
sameness. This is a travesty, for they are not interchangeable and
making them so is not desirable or the purpose of equal rights.
Providing a gay couple the legal protections and responsibilities they
deserved – "no more, no less" says John Fisher of EGALE, a Canadian gay
rights group – is not the same as saying a gay couple is a heterosexual
couple.

In the terms in which the ruling has been couched, such a prospect is
not desirable to either gays or heterosexuals. But the true goals go
beyond the strict arguments of the Supreme Court ruling. Ian Brodie, a
political science professor at the University of Western Ontario, states
that the ruling "stops short of saying same-sex couples can get married,
but that’s almost a secondary issue now." The problem of course is that
marriage is, by definition and by tradition, a union of a woman and a
man. If such a legal union for gays were all that were sought by equal
rights warriors, it should be, with all our human ingenuity, possible to
invent one in law with no cost to the heterosexual tradition. But gay
marriage is sought for, among other reasons, to make "family" whatever

[CTRL] The America That Never Was

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23

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Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola

The America That Never Was

by Sunni Maravillosa


Another patriotic holiday has just passed, and although I do not
celebrate most American holidays (really, is Flag Day this month that
important?), I find myself interested in them, in a dispassionate,
almost scientific way. An ongoing conversation with a good friend
contributed to my musings over Memorial Day. He claims that a good many
individuals still have faith in the Constitution, and that the American
system of governance was a success at one time—as he put it, "before the
decent folks abandoned it to the scoundrels". Although my public-school
"education" tends to support his position, I find it increasingly
difficult to believe.

It is true that mainstream public education still indoctrinates its
victims with the glories of our country’s founding, founders, and the
freedoms we enjoy. The Constitution was written to ensure liberty and
justice for all Americans, they claim. It protects our freedom, with the
help of the wise and learned members of the Supreme Court, the story
goes. The division of powers into three branches was to keep
governmental power limited, and to help ensure that no
person—particularly the president—was above the law, we were taught.
These things, along with the image of a benevolent "Uncle Sam" that is
wise and just, comprise what he calls "The American Myth".

Keeping a Straight Face

But how can anyone say these things with a straight face, given all the
evidence accruing to the contrary? At the time of its writing, this
country relied on slave labor, and the Constitution did nothing to rid
it of that shameful practice. Today, despite the clarity of the Bill of
Rights, our freedoms are trampled by Congress daily, and are routinely
spat upon by Supreme Court rulings. Federal laws regulate commerce,
travel, education, and the right to do what one wishes with one’s body,
just to name a few examples, via licenses, fees, regulations, and
prohibitions. The current occupant of the Oral Office is so far above
the law that even opposing party members seem afraid to challenge his
grabs for more control.

Much of the public school indoctrination does not go beyond perpetuating
The American Myth. My friend stated that although most Americans know
it’s a myth, they prefer to believe it. Despite that, many Americans do
not think of this country’s history in mythological terms. Many do seem
to think that it started out on the right course, and has stumbled from
that path somewhere along the way—exactly where depends upon the person,
their age, and their political views. Is this view justified?

Many of the state’s actions call into question various aspects of The
American Myth. The current war the president has gotten us involved in
is an unjustifiable meddling in another country’s problems. The Indian
wars, the Spanish-American War, and the Mexican-American War were all
about conquest rather than freedom. The War on (Some) Drugs began as
discrimination against the Chinese and other immigrants for their use of
mind-altering substances that were different from American liquor and
tobacco. Women and children were treated like property; minors remain
second-class citizens for whom the Bill of Rights does not apply. The US
government purposefully irradiated unknowing citizens in the west, and
infected black men with syphilis and left them untreated, to study the
results of these sicknesses. Even the dawn of this country was not
without challenges. The Whiskey Rebellion was a protest against what
farmers viewed as an unjust tax, and President Washington himself led
government troops to stop the protest in a show of the federal
government’s power (the right to petition the government for redress of
grievances be damned!). From the very first president, there has been a
long line of federal misuse or abuse of power. Thus, it seems to me that
it is incorrect to conclude that America started out on the right foot,
and went astray.

How is that possible? Our Founding Fathers are touted as among the most
enlightened, intelligent minds of their time, and indeed of all time. I
would say that that is true of some of the Founders, but not necessarily
all. Even so, great as they might have been, they were still mortal men,
capable of mistakes and poor decision-making, just as the rest of us
are. After a little reflection on the matter, I think that is the root
of the problems we see in this country’s history.

The Perverse Hamiltonians

The United States was not formed like Athena, who sprang fully formed
from her father’s forehead. It arose out of the excitement of exploring
and conquering a new world, and the oppression of its would-b

[CTRL] Freedom, Choice, and Consequences

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.23/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City
Times - Volume 3 Issue 23

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Laissez Faire City Times
June 7, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 23
Editor & Chief: Emile Zola

Freedom, Choice, and Consequences

by Robert L. Kocher


Among the long-term consequences of the borderline-psychotic social
revolution of the sixties and seventies are many common misconceptions
of the nature of freedom, of what constitutes choice, and what freedom
does not confer.

Few people today understand what freedom or is, or could define freedom.
They believe freedom allows them unlimited right to do what they want to
do. However, that is not a definition of freedom, but of unlimited
egocentricism, of license, or of unlimited freedom of action. Far from
being the basis of a free society, it's a recipe for tyranny.

The ideal condition of freedom of action would be to have the freedom
from responsibility of a child, while having the autonomy and power of
an adult—along with infinite financial resources. Until recently, kings,
queens and princes lived under that condition. The king could do as he
wanted, supported by enforced confiscation of the complete economic
resources of the kingdom when it suited him. It was neither good for the
royalty or the people. The royalty inevitably degenerated while the
people were drained and suffered. The economies of nations were enslaved
and destroyed for the building of pyramids, palaces and other royal
self-indulgences. Entire continents were at war in the service of
various royal temper tantrums. Overthrow of the existing order of mona
rchy was periodically necessary. This made up much of the content of
human history for the last four thousand years.

Members of royalty did not mature because it wasn't necessary for them
to do so. They didn't need to negotiate with their subjects because
their subjects interests were subordinate to those of the king or the
prince. They didn't need to consider reality because they were insulated
from reality. The process of giving up childhood egocentricism and of
balancing personal impulses against the rights of others is
intrinsically unpleasant. Kings and queens are not required to undergo
unpleasantness. This discomfort, as it is with all discomfort, will be
avoided if possible. In this case the discomfort is necessary to achieve
adult maturity. If you are the king or queen, you can make it a rule
that other people adapt to your wantonness and undergo the discomfort
instead of you.

It may not be a very happy relationship for your subjects, but, as king
or queen, you can decree the additional rule that your subjects are
required to like it. Besides, there is no place for your subjects to go.
If they go down the road to the next kingdom, there's no assurance that
the next king will be an improvement.

While it works for kings and queens, in ordinary day-to-day life this
doesn't work. As a practical matter only one member of any community can
have unconditional freedom of action while the other members inherently
become relegated to the oppressive role of forced adaptation to those
actions while having no rights. Thus, it can be seen that unlimited
personal action is not freedom or a free society. Absolute personal
freedom of action for any one person inherently means personal
subjugation of everyone else.

Mutual Agreement

Freedom means social and economic interactions occur on the basis of
mutual agreement between participating parties. This implies strong
restrictions upon behavior. In a free society you cannot willingly
subject other people to actions to which they reasonably disagree.
Actions which subject eventual intrusional consequences upon other
members of society or otherwise intrude upon their lives or damage them
are not acts of freedom, but acts of imposition or acts of enslavement.

To particularize with an example. there is no such thing as freedom to
rape someone. Rape is a crime against freedom. It violates the critical
principle of mutual agreement. It is the purposeful subjecting of
someone to an act to which he or she seriously and reasonably disagrees.
That constitutes a violation of freedom.

One of the first principles of a free society is that members of that
society have a responsibility to conduct their lives in such a way as
not to impose upon other community members. In addition to being a basic
political principle, this was once taught as part of having basic
respect for other members of the community. Many of what have become
mislabeled as contemporary social problems are in truth social
impositions people have imposed upon other members of society by
demanding license for themselves.

The indiscriminate having of children while charging the other members
of the community with the responsibility of maintaining those children
is not an act of freedom. It is a act of unagreed-up

[CTRL] MARIJUANA RULING ROCKS DUI DOCKET

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/02/exceptions0602_01.html

http://www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/02/exceptions0602_01.html">
MARIJUANA RULING ROCKS DUI DOCKET

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MARIJUANA RULING ROCKS DUI DOCKET
Hundreds of Cases Threatened by Georgia Court Action
June 2, 1999

By Hans H. Chen

AP
ATLANTA (APBNews.com) -- Hundreds of cases of driving under the
influence of drugs may be tossed out because of a state Supreme Court
ruling striking down a law designed to keep drivers high on marijuana
off the streets.

The court found the law unconstitutional because it had created
different burdens of proof for recreational and medicinal users of
marijuana.

For users of medicinal marijuana, the police had to prove the person was
driving dangerously to win a conviction. But for recreational users, the
mere presence of the drug in a blood or urine sample had been enough for
a conviction, even if the driver was operating safely.

"This law made 'DUI drug' the easiest thing for them to prosecute. Now,
it'll make it the hardest thing for them to prosecute," said David E.
Clark, a lawyer from Lawrenceville who successfully argued the case.

Arrests for secondhand smoke?


Related Document:

READ THE DECISION

The court found that the state had a right to prosecute drivers high on
marijuana. But because drivers high on medicinal marijuana are just as
dangerous as drivers high on casual-use marijuana, the court found the
state's exemption for medicinal marijuana users unconstitutionally
arbitrary.

Police can still arrest marijuana users of any sort for driving
dangerously, but Clark said Monday's ruling eliminates a law that
unfairly penalizes people with absolutely no driving impairments.
Marijuana lingers in the blood and urine long after the effects of the
drug have worn off.

"One of the justices said he was frightened that you could inhale
secondhand smoke and be arrested," Clark said.

Public safety concerns

In 1981, the Georgia Legislature passed a law setting up a state office
to regulate the medicinal use of marijuana. The office never opened, but
the law remained on the books.

The ruling this week began with the arrest of Everette Bryan Love, a
21-year-old University of Georgia student who was stopped in May 1996
for speeding. After the police officer smelled marijuana smoke, he
ordered a drug test for Love, which revealed marijuana in his blood and
urine.

The man who prosecuted Love said the court's ruling threatened public
safety.

"I would cautiously make the statement that it probably is going to
affect the motoring public's safety, as well as those on the sidewalk
too. Anybody within damn hitting distance of the road," said Gerald
Blainey, the solicitor for Gwinnett County.

Blainey said he plans to petition the court to reconsider its ruling,
even though he did not expect it to change the decision.

Hundreds of cases affected

While the decision does not affect anyone already convicted under the
law, pending DUI cases involving marijuana use may be affected.

"There are hundreds of cases pending in Georgia right now that are going
to be trash," Clark said.

The state attorney general's office said the ruling applied only to DUI
cases involving marijuana.

"Our initial reading of this, and this is subject to further revision,
is that it is not a sweeping case that is going to eliminate our DUI
statues," said Daryl Robinson, the deputy counsel to Attorney General
Thurbert E. Baker.

But Blainey said he feared the ruling could be interpreted to apply to
all drugs, not just marijuana. Because of that worry, Blainey said he
will no longer try any cases in which a safe driver is arrested for a
high blood-alcohol limit.

"Say I drive up to road check, and I'm a .30 [blood-alcohol level], but
there's no 'less safe' driving because all I do is drive up to the road
check. And say I refuse to do any sobriety evaluations," Blainey said.
"I'm of the opinion that case couldn't be prosecuted even though I was a
.30."


Hans H. Chen is an APBNews.com staff writer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

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[CTRL] CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/04/study0604_01.html?s=emil

http://www.apbonline.com/safestreets/1999/06/04/study0604_01.html?s=emil
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CHILD-ADULT SEX STUDY TRIGGERS UPROAR
Critics Charge Researchers Attempting to Legitimize Pedophilia
June 4, 1999

By Robert Anthony Phillips

NEW YORK (APBNews.com) -- A national furor has erupted over a study
published in a medical journal that claims that adult sex with children
is not always psychologically damaging to the child and in some cases it
was a "positive" experience for willing youngsters.
The study, done by two psychologists and a graduate student, was
published in the July 1998 issue of the American Psychological
Association Bulletin and initially attracted little attention. The
authors said the study was meant to test widely held assumptions that
all instances of child-adult sex were harmful to children.

However, when a Philadelphia radio talk show host found out about the
study through a caller and interviewed one of its authors on the air in
March, a firestorm erupted.

Then, national radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger heard about
the study and turned up the heat, beginning a crusade against it over
the airwaves and in her syndicated newspaper column. She described the
study as an "attempt to normalize pedophilia."

Conservatives, congressmen enraged  conservative lobbying groups, politicians
and
some psychologists have gone on the warpath, sharply criticizing the
study as advocating pedophilia, challenging its findings and wondering
whether it will be used by criminal defense attorneys to get child
molesters off the hook in court.

A group of congressmen want the report "condemned" by both Congress and
President Bill Clinton. The Alaska Legislature has passed a resolution
urging the president and Congress to reject the conclusions of the
study. Similar resolutions have also been introduced in California and
Illinois.

Concerned Women of America (CWA), the nation's largest women's public
policy group, called the study an "outright endorsement of pedophilia"
and says it is a "slap in the face to concerned citizens everywhere."


Related Documents:

American Psychological Association statement

Authors' response to criticism

North American Man/Boy Love Association statement

Related Forum:

Can adult sex with children EVER be right?
"According to the 'experts,' child sexual abuse is now considered O.K.,"
began a story in the CWA's monthly magazine.

And the conservative Family Research Council says that it is worried
that lawyers will now start using the report in courts to try to help
pedophiles evade criminal charges.

"It seems outrageous that we are even having to deal with this issue,"
said Kristin Hansen, spokeswoman for the group.

'Good news' for 'boy-lovers'

Adding fuel to the raging debate was a statement released by the North
American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which wants criminal laws
changed to allow children and adults to have consensual sexual
relationships.

In the statement, NAMBLA described the findings as "good news," adding
that it was proof that the current "war on boy-lovers" has no basis in
"science" and that most male child sex experiences with an adult were
"positive."

NAMBLA did not return a telephone call for further comment.

Alaska Rep. Fred Dyson "I predicted months ago that pedophile
enthusiasts would start using this study," said Alaska state Rep. Fred
Dyson, a Republican who sponsored a bill in the state that condemned the
conclusions and methodology of the study.

Jody Gorran, the founder of the National Foundation to Prevent Child
Sexual Abuse, blasted the APA for publishing the study, which he called
flawed.

"It's like a lobbying organization for pedophiles," Gorran told
APBNews.com.

Meanwhile, the publicity surrounding the study prompted the APA to
release a statement saying that it has always believed that "sexual
abuse of children is wrong and harmful to its victims" and the
publication of the study in the bulletin does not mean the organization
endorses its findings.

Authors: Media misreporting facts

However, not everyone agrees that the controversial study is a
scientific manifesto in favor of pedophilia.

The authors, the APA and one statewide group, the Indiana Psychological
Association, charge that the media and other groups are making false and
sensationalized claims that the study condones child sex abuse.

The authors released a statement through the APA saying that their study
was an attempt to show that, for scientific research purposes only,
distinctions should be made among categories of child sex abuse in order
to predict future effects on the child.

80,000 cases a year

The study concludes that it is wrong for researchers to assume that all
cases of child sex abuse harm children and adolescents. However, the
authors, both in their APA statement and in the study, said that legal
definitions of ch

[CTRL] Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

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from:
http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1999/0531/web-nsa-6-3-99.html
http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1999/0531/web-nsa-6-3-99.html">Congress,
NSA butt heads over Echelon

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JUNE 3, 1999 . . . 18:34 EDT


Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

BY DANIEL VERTON ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Congress has squared off with the National Security Agency over a
top-secret U.S. global electronic surveillance program, requesting top
intelligence officials to report on the legal standards used to prevent
privacy abuses against U.S. citizens.

According to an amendment to the fiscal 2000 Intelligence Authorization
Act proposed last month by Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), the director of
Central Intelligence, the director of NSA and the attorney general must
submit a report within 60 days of the bill becoming law that outlines
the legal standards being employed to safeguard the privacy of American
citizens against Project Echelon.

Echelon is NSA's Cold War-vintage global spying system, which consists
of a worldwide network of clandestine listening posts capable of
intercepting electronic communications such as e-mail, telephone
conversations, faxes, satellite transmissions, microwave links and
fiber-optic communications traffic. However, the European Union last
year raised concerns that the system may be regularly violating the
privacy of law-abiding citizens [FCW, Nov. 17, 1998].

However, NSA, the supersecret spy agency known best for its worldwide
eavesdropping capabilities, for the first time in the history of the
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence refused to hand over
documents on the Echelon program, claiming attorney/client privilege.

Congress is "concerned about the privacy rights of American citizens and
whether or not there are constitutional safeguards being circumvented by
the manner in which the intelligence agencies are intercepting and/or
receiving international communications...from foreign nations that would
otherwise be prohibited by...the limitations on the collection of
domestic intelligence," Barr said. "This very straightforward
amendment...will help guarantee the privacy rights of American citizens
[and] will protect the oversight responsibilities of the Congress which
are now under assault" by the intelligence community.

Calling NSA's argument of attorney/client privilege "unpersuasive and
dubious," committee chairman Rep. Peter J. Goss (R-Fla.) said the
ability of the intelligence community to deny access to documents on
intelligence programs could "seriously hobble the legislative oversight
process" provided for by the Constitution and would "result in the
envelopment of the executive branch in a cloak of secrecy."



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Today's Lesson From The Decline of the West

by Oswald Spengler


The outcome of this way of thinking is that the old possession, bound up
with life and the soil, gives way to the fortune, which is essentially
mobile and qualitatively undefined: it does not consist in goods, but it
is laid out in them. Considered by itself, it is a purely numerical
quantum of money-value.

As the seat of this thinking, the city becomes the money-market, the
centre of values, and a stream of money-values begins to infuse,
intellectualize, and command the system of goods. And with this the
trader, from being an organ of economic life, becomes its master.
Thinking in money is always, in one way or another, trade or business
thinking. It presupposes the productive economy of the land, and,
therefore, is always primarily acquisitive, for there is no third
course. The very words "acquisition," "gain," "speculation," point to a
profit tricked off from the goods en route to the customer--an
intellecutal plunder--and for that reason are inapplicable to the early
peasantry. . . .

He who commands this mode of thinking is the master of money. In all the
Cultures evolution takes this road. Lysias informs us in his oration
against the corn-merchants that the speculators at the Piraeus
frequently spread reports of the wreck of a grain-fleet or of the
outbreak of war, in order to produce a panic. In Hellenistic-Roman times
it was a widespread practice to arrange for land to go out of
cultivation, or for imports to be held in bond, in order to force up
prices. In the Egyptian New Empire wheat-corners in the American style
were made possible by a bill-discounting that is fully comparable with
the banking operations of the West. Cleomenes, Alexander the Great's
administrator for Egypt, was able by book transactions to get the whole
corn-supply into his own hands, thereby producing a famine far and wide
in Greece and raking in immense gains for himself.
=

The Religion Business

Bank of Scotland to Pay Pat Robertson £30m

Hey. I called Scotland a bunch of wankers. How much do I get?

THE Bank of Scotland has agreed to pay up to £30 million in compensation
to Pat Robertson, the American evangelist, after being made to abandon a
telephone banking joint venture with him yesterday.
The decision followed a meeting late on Friday night in Boston between
Robertson and Peter Burt, the bank's chief executive. In a statement the
bank said: "Pat Robertson and Peter Burt agreed that the changed
circumstances made the proposed joint venture between Robertson
Financial Services and Bank of Scotland unfeasible."

Robertson Financial Services is thought to have paid £30m for a 25 per
cent stake in the venture - a phone banking company modelled on
Sainsbury's Bank, a joint venture between the supermarket chain and Bank
of Scotland which has 800,000 customers. Burt will be under pressure
from shareholders this week to explain why the conservative Bank of
Scotland entered into an alliance with Robertson, a right-wing
television evangelist known for his outspoken views and fervent
opposition to homosexuality.

The bank has been under intense pressure in the past week to cut its
links with Robertson after it emerged that he had made an outspoken
attack on Scotland on his popular 700 Club television show. West Lothian
Council threatened last week to close its £250m account with the bank.
It was joined by a series of charities including Action Aid.

Since the telephone bank was announced in March between 400 and 500
people have closed their accounts. Affinity credit card deals with the
Trades Union Congress and a series of charities are also under threat.
This week, the bank will start seraching for a new partner to save its
£30m expansion into America.

The London Telegraph, June 6, 1999


Russian Follies

White Nights Red with Killings in St. Petersburg

If only Russia had gun control. That would solve the problem. Sure.

CONTRACT killings along one of St Petersburg's most elegant canals has
earned it the nickname "the shooting range".
The bodycount on the Griboyedov Canal, which winds through the city
centre, reads like a local Who's Who. All the attacks have been on top
figures, one of them a leading politician whose murder caused
international outrage.

Since last autumn there have been four assassination attempts on people
who live or work on the canal, three of them fatal, one seriously
wounding the target. Even the presence of a base housing St Petersburg's
Omon police, an elite paramilitary unit used against dangerous criminals
and threats to public order, has failed to stop the slaughter. None of
the murders has been solved and, judging by the performance of Russia's
law enforcement bodies, it seems unlikely that justice will be done.

In the most recent att

[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: S99-101, Day 74 (June 5, 6:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

[Kris Millegan]

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FROM WASHINGTON, DC

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.  

Issue S99-101, Day 74
-
June 5, 1999; 6:00PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Washington   1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

Washington   2. Drop Clinton, Not Bombs! (A Speech by Bob
Djurdjevic)



1. The Day Serb Flag Was Flying at the Pentagon

WASHINGTON, June 5 - Mark this day - June 5! This is the day a Serb flag
was flying at the Pentagon possibly for the first time in history, mounted
high on top of the soundstage erected on the Pentagon lawn, right next to
the official U.S. Defense Department flag pole.  All around the
red-blue-and-white Serb banner, more than 30,000 anti war demonstrators who
took part in today's "March on the Pentagon," billowed from the top of
their lungs, "Yu-go-sla-via! Yu-go-sla-via!" 

If such an event were to have taken place in some overseas country, people
might have assumed a World Cup soccer match was taking place.  But this was
America.  And the surprisingly small number of the Pentagon security detail
and the Arlington Police, looked on in amusement, snapping pictures of the
crowd on this hot Saturday afternoon.

It was moment to behold. Chinese drummers beat their drums; Serbian
protesters blew their whistles; Korean demonstrators sang their songs;
Greeks wrapped themselves in their blue-and-whites; the Russians, the
Koreans, the Cubans, the Poles waved their flags - nearly all of them
wearing TARGET signs - joined in the chants: "Yu-go-sla-via!
Yu-go-sla-via!" And, "bombs and missiles - we say no, U.S. out of Kosovo!"
"One, two, three four - we don't want your bloody war."

And yes, as you may have gathered by now, this preceding means that the
Arlington Police and the County officials backed down, unable to stop the
30,000+ marchers from closing the Memorial Bridge and the Washington
Boulevard, supposedly also for the first time in history.  So freedom of
speech and right to peaceful assembly is still alive and well today in
America.  

Our thanks to all TiM readers who contributed to it. But as with all
rights, if we ignore them, they will go to a higher bidder.  So we'll have
to keep it up…

Meanwhile, large masses of anti-NATO protesters had assembled earlier this
afternoon at the Vietnam Memorial, where the opening speeches were given,
including that by your editor, enclosed below as Item 2 of this report. 

After the speech, the TiM editor also gave interviews to NPR radio, to the
Russian and Chinese news agencies, and to some other local news media. The
American public TV network C-SPAN, reportedly carried a live broadcast of
the proceedings.  Predictably, there were no CNN, NBC ABC or CBS cameras or
satellite trucks in evidence.  But there were several media helicopters
filming the march (stand by for TiM's photos from the protest, which we
will post at our Web site upon returning to Phoenix).

Later this afternoon, CNN Headline News showed some pictures of
demonstrators crossing the Memorial Bridge, with the Lincoln Memorial
visible in the background, saying that only 5,000 people participated in
today's demonstrations.  This contrasts with the estimates of the protest
organizers which ranged from 30,000 to 40,000 people.  

Whatever the actual number of protester, it was without a doubt the largest
anti-war demonstration held in the nation's capital since the days of the
Vietnam war. To those TiM readers who joined us either in person or in
spirit; to all those who stood up and made a stand for truth and justice
today, we say: "Thank you!  Now you can proudly tell your children or
grandchildren that you had not remained silent during the days of the
American Infamy."
---

2. Days of American Infamy II (A Speech by Bob Djurdjevic)

WASHINGTON, June 5 - The following is the prepared text of the speech which
TiM's editor delivered today at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC:

Ladies and gentlemen, fellow-patriots, friends of the truth and liberty,

I come to Washington from the Grand Canyon state of Arizona to join you in
your righteous protest against an American government which has become so
un-American.  This is no longer a government "OF the people, BY the people,
FOR the people."  This is a government OF and FOR a group of "death
merchants," bankers and industrialists, run BY corrupt politicians, like
Bill Clinton.  And it is a government AGAINST the interests of the American
people.  

Is it in our interest to have a $5.6 trillion national debt? 

Is it in our interest to pay for the IMF bailouts of Wall Street bankers in
Mexico, Asia, Russia or Brazil?

Is it in our interest to have American troops stationed in over 100
countries around the world?

Is it in our interest to have to build a Kos

Re: [CTRL] Implants

[Steve Wingate]

 -Caveat Lector-

On 6 Jun 99, at 2:52, William Shannon wrote:

> Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does
>



Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
http://www.anomalous-images.com

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Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

[nurev]

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Dr Byron Weeks wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hello,
> I am trying to find an accurate translation of John's Revelation from the original
> Hebrew. Can you direct me?
>
> Byron Weeks, MD
> ~~

snip>
> > The original Hebrew and Greek are very specific and graphic in
> > their content.  Instead of reading transliterations,  I suggest
> > you translate the manuscripts and codices for yourself, and
> > not be led by the nose by any religious faction.
=

I am almost positive that John's Revelation is not in Hebrew.

Unless I'm thinking of another " Revelation," you'll find it in
Greek. The contents and ideas are Mystery Cult and not Jewish.
[ Is this right Goat?]
These are Pagan nightmares. It's quite sick that people incorporate
stuff like this into their psyche and find comfort in it.

Religion causes insanity.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL]

[nurev]

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Lloyd Miller wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From an anonymous Supporting Subscriber to the Project:
>
>  "I think one result of the Serb War will be the return of Royalty that was
> in exile.  (Their Prince is residing in London.)  About a year ago, another
> Prince returned to Albania, coincidental with the arrival of UN troops.
>
>  "Many of these exiled Royals are on record as ready to return to their
> countries, but not as private citizens.  They expect to return to their
> thrones.
>
>  "Caesarism is definitely the Conspiracy!
>
>   D.Y.
>

It'll be a cold day in Heck when highly educated socialists would
consent to being ruled by an aristocracy.

As for the Albanians...fascists like royalty. They comon goals.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [Ric] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>eagle1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not saying I've got it all down.  No,  the Bible is not something
>>> you sit downs and study overnight and you've got the whole picture.
>>> It takes a lifetime and then some to really study the languages.
>>
>>Yes, religious studies are very entertaining - that is, they're great
>>ways for one to structure and occupy one's time, without accomplishing
>>anything tangible.  Same as conspiratorialism, UFOlogy, sociopolitical
>>criticism, musical/artistic discussions, etc.  Fun fun fun.
>
>You are entitled, at least in this country for now, to believe
>whatever you want to... as well as I am.
>PS - I reverence no one but God.  That title,  in my opinion, is
>reserved for Him and Him alone.  No man is worthy to be reverenced.
>I'm glad to know,  however, that you put yourself in such high esteem,
>among the gods.

How does one count and identify deities?  Does the count equal -1, 0,
1, 3-in-one, more than 1?  Is the count an integer or a fraction?  How
does one verify their count?  If you think there's one and only one,
how can you be *sure* you've got the *right* one?  If someone with a
different god-system kills you, does that make their religion stronger
than yours? If your god[s] can't protect you, why bother with belief?

If amongst various monotheists, some claim their god is kind, others
that theirs is vengeful, others that theirs is indifferent, or that
theirs is indistinguishable from nature, how can you tell which [if
any] are correct? What's your standard of evidence?  Is "The Will Of
God" merely a useful excuse for doing what you want, as long as what
you want coincides with said "Will"? What useful things could you be
making or discovering if you weren't spending time on god[s]? Are ETs
gods?  How are gods distinguishable from demons, aliens, fantasies?

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[CTRL] [Fwd: TheEagle-L] Planned All Along ???]

[Dr Byron Weeks]

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Date:  Wed, 19 May 1999 22:07:36 -0500
Subject:   [TheEagle-L] Planned All Along ???

America s early warning system, our radar network that told us when enemy bombers
   were 2,000 miles away, was shut down by President Bush. So now we have our eyes
   closed. If that were not enough to be defeated, Clinton made an executive order
   which forbids the military from reacting to a Russian first strike. Our 
generals and
   admirals must wait until the first strike bits, before they can respond. This 
is like
   going into the boxing ring and saying "Give me your best hit". Well, the 
Russians are
   ready to give us their best hit, and it will be a knock out punch. It used to 
be that
   we would launch our missiles when we detected theirs being launched and the
   missiles would cross mid-air and blow up both countries. Now we are to absorb 
their
   first strike. That is why their first strike is targeted to knock out our naval 
bases and
   submarines. They have produced enormous numbers of killer submarines which 
greatly
   outnumber our submarines and these will attack to eliminate any submarines at 
sea.
   Except for our mobile subs, the U.S. no longer has mobile missiles, but only a
   reduced number in fixed locations.


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Re: [CTRL] [SC] SAFE SEX

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
From: gene johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --Ric Carter wrote:
> > From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >> >the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's,
> > >> >problems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious
> > >> >and surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between
> > >> >different sexes.
> > >
> > >> And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --
> > >> ultimately responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority --
> > >> is sex, leading to the victim's conception.
> > >
> > >Lovely funny.  Prudy
> >
> > SAFE SEX. But even animals and aliens can carry some nasty pathogens,
> > so we're left with: sex with machines.  Teledildonics.  Hermitage.
> > Remember: hell is other people.
>
> Go screw an unchurched Praying Mantis, you deviated postvert Lipitarian.
> But watch your head during opiated afterglow --- it takes eclectic
> ginkgomind to be a village! Numblobes and the Hasty Nymphs

A mantid couldn't accommodate me physically - I'll have to screw an
unchurched Komono Dragon instead.  Equally hazardous, yet much more
appropriately scaled, and with little chance of infection either way.
Still, care must be taken no to have intercourse with a Reptilioid or
Republican, where contamination may be mental as well as physical.
The NATO Balkan bombing campaign has disrupted many Reptoid nests,
leaving the impending occupying forces at grave risk of such scaly
contamination.  If you think the Gulf War Syndrome was bad, wait'll
you see the results of the Kosovar Green Weenie condition!  Scientists
in the UK are currently gene-modifying certain mushrooms to produce
vaccines [see the latest SkeptiNews bulletin, 990606b, for a link to
that story] but it's uncertain whether sufficient quantities can be
exuded in time to meet the expected demand.  War is hell.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #2

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 990606b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No omnivorous flagellants were disemboweled to produce this bulletin. Oy.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ UFOs in Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control. Chapter 13 of the 1994
Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control: "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential".
"Widespread blackouts, communication disruptions, and other potentially
disastrous conditions have been linked directly to UFO sightings." Support
your local UFOlogist: http://www.comdac.com/~geibdan/news/fire.html

@ Who Takes ETs Seriously? How about every fire and police dept. in America!
http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=484729519.1&CONTEXT=928671431.212402182

: Do UFOs start fires? Do the voices in your head tell you to start fires,
to cut crop circles, to mutiliate/humiliate/agitate humans? Are you fiery?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Net strike to bite in Europe. (BBC) Internet users across Europe are being
asked not to go online on Sunday in protest at high telephone charges. Bite
monopoly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_361000/361235.stm

# Malaysia takes on websites. (BBC) Malaysia is studying legal ways of
shutting down Internet websites abroad which are critical of the government.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_362000/362275.stm

# China slaps Internet cafes. SHANGHAI (Reuters) Chinese boomtown Shanghai
has disciplined 278 unregistered Internet cafes in a crackdown on uncontrol-
led forays into cyberspace. Political news limited, access "standardized":
http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0,2294,56247-89863-639407-0,00.html

: If a gov't bites your net.access, how can you bite back? What if it's not
your gov't? Do boycotts work? Will you wage cyberwar? Will you fry links?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# HACKED HACKERS VOW VENGEANCE ON FEDERAL WEB SITES. Hacker groups angry at
FBI investigations into computer intrusions have declared cyber war, vowing
that every Web site with an address ending in ".gov" will be a target. The
FBI's Web site has been inaccessible for most of the past 5 days. Git them
goobers: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/05/feds.v.hackers/index.html

# Netwar: F0rpaxe Claims Credit For Government/Corporate Computer Attacks.
A person or group calling itself "F0rpaxe" is today claiming credit for more
than 75 attacks on government and corporate computer systems in the United
States and abroad. Revenge on FBI: www.emergency.com/1999//fonetwar.htm

# Also: Hackers target more federal computers:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/01/hackers/
# Hackers retaliate by invading FBI, Senate Web sites:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/28/senate.hackers/

: Are you all or part of "F0rpaxe"? Are you good at cyberwar? Do you limit
your attacks to the US gov't or are all nations targets? D'ya want any help?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Casting Doubt on Chinese Spying. (ABC) The recent congressional report
accusing the Chinese of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets has inaccuracies that
raise doubts about the report's credibility. Many blatant factual errors:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/oberg990602.html

# Are We Hard-Wired for War? (ABC) Waging war is nothing new. Our history is
filled with tales of blood-soaked battles. Which raises questions: Is such
behavior simply part of human nature? Is war our favorite entertainment?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/peace_warbiology990602.html

: Do you prefer warring, spying, plotting, fucking, eating, farting, lying?
Is your preference based on biology, doctrine, mind-control rays, implants?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# PM's appeal over GM foods. (BBC) Prime Minister Tony Blair has appealed
for people to "keep an open mind" on GM foods, saying that imposing a ban
on them now would be a mistake. He has also metamorphosed into a shiitake
mushroom. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_362000/362318.stm

# Medicinal hopes for mushrooms. (BBC) UK scientists say research into mush-
rooms could make them a popular medical treatment in future. Better than GM
PMs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_362000/362332.stm

: Do you like gene-modified mushrooms? Can psilocybe be enhanced? Does Tony
Blair eat psychedelic mushrooms? Is he run by CIA rays or ET implants? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs:

@ NASA Continues Ritual Pattern as Discovery Docks with IS(I)S. As we have
shown repeatedly in the past, NASA has had an ongoing obsession with the
celestial representations of the highest Gods and Goddesses of ancient
Egypt, (Isis, Osiris, and Horus). www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm

# Chat Users Get Voicemail. If your chat pal isn't online or answering the
phone, a new service will send a voicemail to his inbox. Although the call
is free, the Fone427 service isn't. Like you wuz expecting a f

[CTRL] Revising Capitalism

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

New York Times
June 5, 1999

Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thunder
By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN

 Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns,
 thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand
 of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices
 and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed
 every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more
 than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of
 individuals into serving the social good.

 Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University,
 wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth.
 But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow.
 Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of
 competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of
 collaboration among rivals.

 Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas
 into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold
 rise in the living standards of American families over the last 100
 years, he says in a new manuscript. Baumol's contribution is not to
 emphasize the impact of innovation but to pinpoint how competition
 forces companies to make innovation routine, much as marketing and
 advertising are.

 In Baumol's analysis, capitalism emerges as a system that hums
 because it has figured out how to make innovation humdrum.

 Baumol shows how companies pour money not only into their own
 research and development but also into such operations by their
 rivals. Yes, their rivals. Firms participate in joint ventures that
 hire teams of researchers to develop technologies that the firms
 will share. They also engage in the largely unrecognized practice
 by which companies enter into technology-sharing compacts. Under
 these compacts, a company like IBM writes contracts with
 competitors, like Hitachi. The companies promise to license future
 innovations to each other for a set fee. That way, if Hitachi comes
 up with a spiffy next-generation disk drive, IBM is guaranteed the
 right to incorporate Hitachi's new drive in its own computers.

 It might seem odd for an economist like Baumol to herald
 collaboration among potential competitors. By jumping into the arms
 of rivals, companies appear to dull their incentive to innovate on
 their own. After all, if they can imitate rivals, why bother to
 innovate on one's own?

 To understand Baumol's point, put yourself in the place of IBM. You
 could try to piggyback off Hitachi's innovations, dismissing your
 own engineers. But that strategy would collapse. At the very least,
 you would be dishing out hundreds of millions of dollars each year
 to rivals without getting anything in return. Worse, Hitachi would
 soon drop the agreements, because they make sense only if it
 expects to get about as many new products from IBM as it provides
 to IBM.

 Nor would it make economic sense to beef up your investment in
 innovations without entering technology-sharing contracts. If four
 or five of your major rivals share innovations among themselves,
 then they will generate lots of ideas, drowning out the efforts of
 your one research department. And anything you don't figure out on
 your own will be offered to consumers by all your rivals. You
 simply cannot afford to bear that risk. The compacts eliminate the
 threat that a misstep in the technology race will drive you out of
 business. Besides, Baumol says, the compacts generate licensing
 fees that have become "a substantial business activity in itself."

 Baumol's analysis makes a bigger point, far beyond the benefits and
 costs to individual companies. Technology-sharing contracts also
 help the economy -- that is to say consumers -- by spreading the
 benefit of innovation far beyond the customers of any one company.
 You don't have to buy Hitachi to get the benefit of its
 breakthroughs.

 Drawing on his career as a consultant as well as scholar, Baumol
 says "that of the 20 or so firms that engage in substantial
 research and development for whom I have consulted over the past
 few years, almost all had technology-sharing agreements of one sort
 or another with other firms in their industries." The managers of
 these companies, he says, often agreed to them reluctantly. But the
 scientists, especially the engineers, often required them as a
 condition of their employment: they simply refused to work for a
 company that would not allow them to communicate with their peers.

 He points to a compact that Perkin-Elmer Corp., which sells
 scientific instruments using precision optics, has had with Hitachi

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

[ric carter]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990606a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No carnivorous invertebrates were flagellated to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ ROMAN PISO FAMILY CREATED NEW TESTAMENT AND "JESUS". "We Jews and Church
Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesi-
zed by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the
masses and to placate slaves. This is why we Jews are the 'Chosen People'
and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the
lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts."
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/blasphemy.htm
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm
Also see: http://members.tripod.com/~ReuchlinA/

: Is Xianity just a Roman plot? Are all religions conspiracies? Are all pol-
itical, economic, artistic and athletic belief systems [Games] plots too?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ CLEAR THINKING NEEDED ON SEXUAL AMBIGUITY. A new book advocates a new att-
itude towards those babies born with ambiguous genitals, otherwise known as
intersex. Usually, surgery is performed, with the pediatric surgeon deciding
whether the child will be a boy or a girl. This author suggests we should
leave those babies intact, and allow them to develop a sexual identity as
they group up. She even suggests we add a gender designation of "intersex"
for babies who are not clearly male or female. She raises some interesting
and uncomfortable questions about this issue, which affects several thousand
people. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12977

: How many genders are enough? Can new genders be designed? Where in the sex
matrix are you now? Where would you prefer to be? How will you get there?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dentist Links Entity Possession to Organ Transplants and Blood Transfus-
ions. LOS ANGELES /PRNewswire/ -- Renowned dentist and hypnotherapist Dr.
Bruce Goldberg announces he has shown through his research that patients
can leave a hospital with more than the organ or blood they came for --
they can be possessed by entities!
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-02
-1999/954281&EDATE=

: Were you ever possessed after a medical procedure? Are you possessed now?
What controls you? Who put it there? Will you possess the rest of us? When?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# IN ITALY: CLONE A HUMAN, GO TO JAIL? Some lawmakers in Italy want to end
its reputation as the "Wild West" of fertility treatment, and ban the use of
donor sperm and artificial insemination for women past menopause. They also
want to send doctors to jail for using donor sperm or cloning a human. This
from the country that gave the world Michelangelo and Galileo. A good
example of why the separation of church and state is such a good idea.
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12980
@ DO YOU THINK ITALY SHOULD BAN ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION?
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12963

: Should any restrictions be placed on reproductive technology? Will human
laws interfere with alien sexual experimentation? Should your clone go free?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# UFOs Reported in American Kitchens! NEW YORK /PRNewswire/ -- According to
a public opinion survey of 1,008 Americans, conducted by Tupperware (NYSE:
TUP), 56 percent of Americans sighted some type of UFO -- Unidentified Food
Object -- in their refrigerator.  Unidentified Food Objects (UFOs) are char-
acterized as food that has been in the refrigerator so long that you can't
remember what it once was.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-19
-1999/943035&EDATE=

: Have alien lifeforms taken over your refrigerator, your kitchen, your home
and/or your mind? Do you know what's in the room with you? Is it pernicious?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs:

# Is NutraSweet Making Young People More Violent? Researchers link
  aspartame to lowered serotonin levels, resulting in violent behavior:
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Aspartame/aspartame.html

# Those Impossible Dinosaurs. Were the dinosaurs too big to carry
  their own weight under present gravity?
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Dinosaurs/dinosaurs.html

# The Electric Sun. New challenge to the fusion theory could change
  our understanding of the sun.
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/ElectricSun/electricsun.html

# Breakthrough in "Reverse Speech". New study proves humans' ability to
  decipher speech when played backwards.
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/Story__Reverse_Speech/

# Italian Workshop on Planetary Catastrophe. International gathering of
  scientists and scholars to explore new theories of planetary violence.
  http://www.xnewsnetwork.com/Headlines/ItalianWorkshop/

[CTRL] Nasa continues ritual pattern

[Nicola Molloy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Sorry folks, meant to send this instead of the ICQ page.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm
Lots of pictures on this url.


   The
Enterprise Mission


   NASA Continues Ritual Pattern
as Discovery Docks with IS(I)S



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© 1999 THE ENTERPRISE MISSION



As we have shown repeatedly in the past, NASA has had an ongoing
obsession with the celestial representations of the highest Gods and
Goddesses of ancient Egypt, (Isis, Osiris, and Horus). We will soon be
releasing an extensive (but by no means complete) table of these events.

In the meantime, we continue to track this astrological fixation of the
space agency with an eye toward exposing this bizarre religious practice

on a regular basis for as long as it continues. Resultantly, we have
been following the progress of current NASA mission STS-96 as the Space
Shuttle Discovery docks and adds to the new International Space Station
(IS(I)S). Naturally, we have not been disappointed with the conduct
of our friends at the holy temple that is the inner halls of NASA.

As the shuttle blasted skyward at 6:50 AM EDT on the 27th, we had the
expected alignment over the cape...



Not only was Sirius at 33° 33´(symbolic of Freemasonry's highest level
of enlightenment), but the fact that it was Sirius, the celestial
counterpart
of the Goddess Isis, rather than Orion or another significant body in
this pantheon of NASA deities, cannot be overemphasized. A Mission to
IS(I)S with Isis at 33° 33´?

But of course, it only gets better.

Our experience with the last IS(I)S mission (STS-88) showed us that the
most critical location to spot these alignments was from the ground
when the shuttle was directly overhead. Following the same pattern of
course led to some of the usual hits.


   Real time data from NASA at the precise
moment of Discovery's docking with IS(I)S.

Last night (as I write this) Discovery linked up with IS(I)S at  4:24
GMT on the 29th of May. The combined spacecraft was approximately over
the Russia-Kazakistan border at 47° 6´ North latitude and 42° 12´ East
longitude. Upon firing up our trusty copies of Red Shift 2, we of course

discovered that the gods were once again in symbolically appropriate
positions.

   Had you been standing

directly beneath the shuttle and IS(I)S at
   that moment you would

have seen Alnilam, the "Center Belt Star"
   in Orion's belt was
precisely on the horizon -- symbolic to the
   ancient Egyptians as
the transition between the upper world and
   the lower world (life

and death) -- and rising precisely due East,
   symbolic to the
Egyptians as representing birth or new life.




So what we have is Orion/Osiris "rising," giving birth to new life, as
Isis, his sister/wife/consort and "mother of the Nile" passes overhead.
We
are by now used to this sort of thing from NASA. This kind of symbolism
and ritual are imbedded deeply into the agency's every move.

Even the Mission Patch for STS-96 is overwhelmingly symbolic. As Robert
Temple has shown in the recently revised edition of his famous
book "The Sirius Mystery," the Egyptian Goddess Isis was interchangeable

with the star Sirius. According to Temple, Isis the personage and
the star were both represented by a variety of hieroglyphs, but among
them were the cobra or serpent and the serpent's tooth.



The tooth is a vertically elongated triangle, rather than the
equilateral triangle we are used to seeing associated with Sirius, and
the cobra is
coiled as if to attack. Taken together, they literally translate to "the

Goddess Sirius."



The patch shows this same "Serpent's Tooth" motif, a vertically
elongated triangle with another red, white and blue elongated triangle
imposed
within the first one pointing to a single star (Sirius, anyone?). The
star is five pointed (it's called a pentagram) and the triangular path
to the star
is surrounded by what appears to be a representation of an orbital
trajectory. At one point along this trajectory, the IS(I)S station
appears at an
angle close to the tilt axis of the earth. Earth is shown with it's pole

vertical to the patch orientation. IS(I)S itself is shown from a
perspective
normal to the centerline of the cylindrical Zarya (Rising sun/Horus)
module, making it appear as a cross. The orbit is strangely elliptical,
like a
planetary or even stellar orbit, rather than circular like a satellite.

This patch seems to posses just about every symbolic link you could
want, i

Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]

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From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> >Weeelll, after long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that
>> >the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's, prob-
>> >lems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious and
>> >surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between differ-
>> >ent sexes.
>
>> Remember, marriage --marriage to anyone or anything-- is the number one
>> cause of divorce, and therefore, of broken families and all the human
>> woes caused by that ...
>> And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --ultimately
>> responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority-- is sex, leading
>> to the victim's conception.
>
>Lovely funny.  Prudy

The solution is obvious: sex with animals, sex with machines, sex with
aliens.  I'm reminded of a poster picturing a dog humping a human's leg,
with the caption, SAFE SEX.  But even animals and aliens can carry some
nasty pathogens, so we're left with: sex with machines.  Teledildonics.
Hermitage.  Remember: hell is other people.

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Start-up O Wonder wants to turn ICQ into the center of a universal voicemail system.

The Palo Alto, California-based company has launched Fone427, an 800-number voicemail service that gives ICQ users a free voicemail box.

ICQ is a popular Internet messaging service owned by America Online.

"It's working toward a telephone number of the future," said Alex Blok, CEO of O Wonder. Fone427 was created as a joint venture with Creative Teleservices of Pleasanton, California.

 
 
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"It manages to let somebody give out one bit of contact information and say 'reach me with this,'" said Blok.

Callers who want to leave a message for a Fone427 subscriber dial an 800-number and enter the recipient's ICQ number. After hearing the person's greeting, callers can leave a voice message.

The message is then delivered to the ICQ user's email address in the form of a compressed audio file. It is also available to the user by an 800-number.

Although it is free to leave messages, Fone427 subscriptions cost $4.95 per month.

"We've made it possible for someone to get a voicemail message in their email -- and by phone," Blok said.

Unified, universal messaging services are not new. Business services such as Jfax do the same and more. But Blok said Fone427 is the first to target consumers, and it's less sophisticated than Jfax.

"Young people with ICQ accounts don't use fax," said Blok. The service will likely take on more complex features, such as group messaging, in the future, he said.

The system delivers voicemail files in PureVoice, a Qualcomm telephone technology used in cell phones optimized for voice compression. On 7 June, the company will roll out RealAudio support to widen the service's compatibility.

A one-minute PureVoice file is about 70 kilobytes in size. Such a file takes 15 to 30 seconds to download over a 56-Kbps modem connection, Blok said.

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Re: [CTRL] Armed to the Teeth, and Free

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
From: Gavin Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> fwd Gavin
>
> << Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:41:17 -0700
>  >From: Forest Glen Durland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >Subject: Safe Guns
>  >
>  >In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban
>  >"assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill
>  >Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns
>  >cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males
>  >are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them
>  >at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley
>  >responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull."

Ya, all Swiss males are armed, and crime is low.  But all those
armed males are also under strict gov't discipline, undergoing
military training, and drilling regularly.  Were all US gunowners
to be similarly enlisted in an *active* militia, meeting and
drilling monthly on pain of losing weapons and privileges, the
crime situation might be different here.  But in the US, we're
big on rights without responsibilities, big on freedom without
obligation, big on guns without discipline.  Those well-armed,
freedom-enforcing Swiss all live within a military hierarchy,
within constraints that most Americans would find intolerable.
Guns don't prevent crime; social order prevents crime.

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Re: [CTRL] Implants

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In a message dated 6/6/99 1:52:53 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< In a message dated 6/6/99 1:40:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 << ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE IMPLANTS? >>
  Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does
   Bill.  >>
Bill, sure you have a sense of humour but there is a woman named Dixie
Dynamite
who had silcone breasts implants but in here case they were grossly over
implanted to the point of near disfigurement. She was featured in some real
ugly exploitive porn
in the sense that she looked as though from the expression of her face in the
ads
to have a glazed look in her face or not to happy, although an attractive
woman it looked as though some one had operated on her and due to the nature
of the exploitive adult film industry its quite possible she may of been mind
controlled, as the amount of space that a well endowed woman can contain in
terms of electronivc bugs and other equipment that can be used for human
rights abuses this woman may of had a lot done to her.I dont know for sure
but I would like to know if shes alive or under mind control.
And if she could be realeased if held under some form of manipulation or
telemetry as the way the people act who braodcast into victims minds is about
as respectful
as the slave trade. I for one am a resistor and intend to eliminate some of
these broadcast people in armed conflict in order to maintian human rights
standards on
U.S. soil and to spread a message to some of the shit that think that torture
of a human being is funny on U.S. soil. NO one tortures a U.S. citizen and
gets away with it.

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[CTRL] little Mary Manson

[Tsadowq]

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Previous Thread: Marilyn Manson on Littleton

(sing-along)

There's Charlie and there's Squeeky,
There's Marilyn who's freaky,
My song is tongue and cheeky,
The Manson Family

Fellow Lollards:

In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
<>

Antichrist?  lol

It is going to take FAR more than black nail polish and fishnet
stockings for junior girlie-man Manson to actually assume the
Antichrist (capital "A") role he attributes to himself.

In a message dated 99-06-05 13:48:16 EDT, Marilyn Manson writes:
<>

  MATTHEW CHAPTER 10
  16)  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
 be ye therefore WISE as serpents, and harmless as doves.

  LUKE CHAPTER 21
  15)  For I will give you a mouth and WISDOM, which all your
 adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

There are plenty other examples as well.

Of course, we don't expect Manson to actually know what
he is talking about, *especially* on biblical issues.  Still,
his ignorant and untrue statements on this subject, are
but the first knicks in his push-up bra.

It is interesting that Marilyn chose to include Koresh,
McViegh, and Jim Jones in the same sentence.

Manson actually makes a few statements that are true
enough, but he obviously lacks *real* cultural literacy.

The fact that the pro-life movement was blamed for the gunning
down of an abortionist-- is of course, a point of certain irony;
but hearing how screwed up the world is, from the wanna-be-
androgynous-alien-likes of the pancake faced, lace nightie
clad Manson, should at least be considered incongruent
absurdity to the Nth degree.

This guy (?) clearly recognizes his stature amongst the young
and influencible, but chooses the role of "Antichrist"

.And then spews his blather about how terrible the world is.

What a complete joker.

Excluding a review of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" that I wrote
back in the 70's, this is the most type-written characters I have
committed-- toward making comment on some guy who prefers
to parade around in garter-belts and high heels.

In the case of Frankenfurter, I was greatly amused.

In the case of little Mary Manson, we might hope for an alien abduction.

Still muttering,
Tsadowq

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