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Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.
--- Aldous Huxley



The dissident does not operate in the realm of genuine power at all.
He is not seeking power.
He has no desire for office and does not gather votes.
He does not attempt to charm the public, he offers nothing and promises
nothing.
He can offer, if anything, only his own skin -- and he offers it solely
because
he has no other way of affirming the truth he stands for.
His actions simply articulate his dignity as a citizen, regardless of the
cost.
--- Vaclav Havel ~




"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious.

But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city.

But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely,
his sly whispers rustling through all alleys,
heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to
his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to
the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of a city;
he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."
--- Cicero in a speech to the Roman Senate, as recorded by Sallust




Colonel Edward Mandell House

"Colonel" House, a Texas plutocrat, blueprinted the conversion of the
American government from egalitarian republicanism to state socialism. The
conversion itself occurred in two steps: (1) Attaining control of the
national money system by means of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913; and (2)
assumption of over-all control of the economy by the federal government,
which began under Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal.

House, a shadowy figure who is practically unknown to the American public
these days, was one of the most influential men in twentieth century
American politics. He engineered the election of Woodrow Wilson to the
presidency; he played a key role in the formulation of the Federal Reserve
Act; he represented Wilson in the negotiations that finalized the disastrous
Treaty of Versailles; also, he was one of the invisible king-makers behind
Franklin Roosevelt. Like Darwin, Herbert Spencer and many other key figures
in the Scientism/Global Socialism movement, Col. House was chronically ill
much of his life. During Wilson's last two years in office, Edith Wilson
banned House from the White House.

According to Gurudas, House helped establish the CFR [Council on Foreign
Relations], and in a book titled Philip Dru, House said that his goal was
for "socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." The book "described a
'conspiracy' to capture both political parties and use them to create a
socialist world government. The plan included electing a president by using
'deception regarding his real opinions and intentions.' Written in 1912, the
book called for a graduated income tax and establishing a state-controlled
central bank. These laws were passed in 1913, and many other goals outlined
in the book also became reality. House called for a one-world government,
one-world army, and one-world economy ruled by an Anglo-Saxon financial
oligarchy "

[Treason: The New World Order (San Rafael, CA: Cassandra Press, 1996), p.
16.
Cassandra Press: P.O. Box 15068, San Rafael, CA 94915]

http://www.trufax.org/guidebook/house.html

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every
fragment of the socialist program, until one day America
will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
--- Norman Thomas,
U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate


Folks, I hope you find this of some Value.
If so, please pass it along.
Bard


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The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

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Re: [CTRL] Global Tryanny


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> The Articles of Confederation still have force in effect.
> The Constitution is simply a document to empower the
> Confederacy's Agency, the United States.

I covered this a couple days ago, but he it goes again:

US Constitution, Article VI: "This Constitution, and the Laws of
the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and
all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority
of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and
the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in
the Constitution of Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-
standing."  There's no mention of the Articles of Confederation;
the Articles are NOT included as "the supreme Law of the Land";
they were and are a dead issue.  Why the obsession with a failed
18th-century form of gov't at the start of the 21st century?

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[CTRL] Cracking on the Rise

1999-07-14 Thread Nicky Molloy


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 http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/20704.html


Cracking on the Rise
by Craig Bicknell

2:00 p.m.  13.Jul.99.PDT
Setting up shop online might open a company's door to new customers, but it
also greatly boosts the odds that an uninvited guest will help himself to
company secrets, according to a survey released Tuesday.
The survey, published by Information Security magazine, found that companies
conducting business online are 57 percent more likely to suffer leaks of
proprietary information than companies that aren't on the Web.

Moreover, the rate at which computer crackers are breaching corporate
networks has nearly doubled in the last year, according to the 745 companies
polled.

"There's a real sea change in the types of breaches that e-commerce is
bringing on," said Andrew Briney, Information Security's editor-in-chief.

"There's been a real knee-jerk reaction, an assumption that most breaches
are internal, but the biggest increase by far is coming from these external
abuses."

The survey polled security managers in disparate industries and covered the
period from May 1998 to May 1999. Rates of increase are based on comparison
to figures from a similar poll conducted last year.

Security experts weren't surprised at the findings.

"We can expect more problems as e-commerce gets moving," said Peter Neumann,
a scientist with SRI International and a consultant to the President's
Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection. "The basic computer system
and network infrastructures are very weak when it comes to security, but the
incentives for serious misuse are only beginning to emerge."

While it's extremely difficult to quantify the cost of security breaches --
most companies either don't know or won't share information on attacks --
the average loss of the 91 surveyed companies volunteering specific
financial information was US$256,000.

"It reaffirms the necessity for organizations to pay close attention to the
security needs that come with doing business in the electronic world," said
Briney.

Ironically, the vast majority of corporate respondents to the survey said
they had effectively shored up their own security problems.

"They feel confident that they have the resources to handle it, but the
numbers tell a different story," said Briney.

Still, security experts caution that those numbers can't be taken as hard
scientific evidence.

While cracker attacks are indeed on the rise, said Alan Paller, director of
research at the SANS Institute, the number of companies watching for
security breaches is also up. Thus, a higher percentage of attacks are
noted.

"It's almost like when crime reporting goes up, the amount of crime seems to
go up, too," said Paller.

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Re: [CTRL] The Recovered Memory Project

1999-07-14 Thread Smart News


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Hi !

Below please find information on possible uses of propaganda by the FMSF and
peer reviewed studies showing the prevalence of recovered memory and low
suggestibilty rates of recovered memory patients.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

from  http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Taubman_Center/Recovmem/Archive.html

The Recovered Memory Project is an Internet-based research project, directed
by Professor Ross E. Cheit of the Taubman Center for Public Policy and
American Institutions at Brown University. This project began as a letter to
PBS objecting to false statements and shoddy research by Ofra Bikel, producer
of the program "Divided Memories." (Journalists note: Bikel's program was
later described in the Columbia Journalism Review as "a four-hour polemic"
that only "purported to be balanced." ) This page was launched in conjunction
with a presentation at the American Psychological Association meetings in
Chicago, August 18, 1997. For a more detailed discussion of the criteria for
including cases in the archive, along with some reflections on the science
and politics of recovered memory, see Ross E. Cheit, "Consider This, Skeptics
of Recovered Memory," Ethics and Behavior, 8(2), 141-160 (1998). This site
will be updated regularly with additional cases and information.

The Archive
Background
66 Corroborated Cases of Recovered Memory
33 Cases from Legal Proceedings 
Overview: All of the cases in this file involve claims in legal proceedings.
Some cases are criminal, some are civil, and a few are administrative or
involve an estate. The criminal cases all resulted in either a guilty verdict
or a guilty plea. The civil cases all resulted in either a civil judgment or
a civil settlement. The cases included pre-trial discovery on the facts, and
often full-blown adjudication. In short, the corroboration in these cases has
been scrutinized and in many cases verified through a legal proceeding.
15 Clinical Cases and other Academic/Scientific Case Studies 18 Other
Corroborated Cases of Recovered Memory
Criteria to Submit a Case to the Archive
Full-text articles, abstracts, and data tables on recovered memories, memory
research, malpractice, ethics, and related topics.
22 Peer-Reviewed Studies About Amnesia and Child Abuse
24 Publications on Traumatic Amnesia in Holocaust Survivors
Other Scientific Research & Scholarly Resources


from http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Taubman_Center/Recovmem/Archive.html

Memory, Abuse, and Science: Questioning Claims about the False Memory
Syndrome Epidemic is the award address for the American Psychological
Association's Award for Distinguished Contributions to Public Service
delivered at the 103rd Annual Convention of the American Psychological
Association, New York, NY. August 1995. An audiotape of this talk (audiotape
No. APA9S-245) may be ordered from from Sound Images, Aurora, CO; telephone:
303-649-1811).

An adapted version of the address that appears below was published in
American Psychologist, September, 1996, vol. 51, no. 9, pages 957-974

Use of Holocaust imagery.
Those who disagree with FMSF have also been compared to Fascists. In her book
Diagnosis for Disaster: The Devastating Truth About False Memory Syndrome and
Its Impact on Accusers and Families , Wassil-Grimm (1995) , for example, used
the imagery of the Holocaust, explicitly referring to Hitler and the Jews:
"Hitler had the Jews; McCarthy had the communists; radical feminists have
perpetrators" (p. 91). The Oregonian quoted the FMSF Executive Director
Pamela Freyd as describing the behavior of professor Jennifer Freyd as
"Gestapolike" (Mitchell, 1993, p. L6 ), a term she had previously used in a
journal article, later reprinted as a book chapter (Doe, 1994, p. 29). (In
late February 1992, when she wrote that she was "going to serve as Executive
Director of the FMS foundation, " Pamela Freyd confirmed in the False Memory
Syndrome Newsletter that "You already know me as Jane Doe".) Another use of
imagery related to the Holocaust, used on this occasion to compare an FMSF
Scientific and Professional Advisory Board member to those who risked their
lives to save Jews from the Nazis, appeared in the Boston Globe: " 'I feel
like Oskar Schindler, ' Loftus muses, referring to the German financier who
rescued doomed Jews from the Nazis. 'There is this desperate drive to work as
fast as I can'" (Kahn, 1994, p. 80).

It is important to examine the use of imagery related to the Holocaust to
compare explicitly or implicitly one who disagrees to Hitler, the Gestapo,
and Nazis or to portray an FMSF proponent as engaged in a desperate rescue.
Among questions to be addressed in careful examination of this use are the
following: Do such statements reflect on the motivation, character, and
decency of those who disagree with FMSF claims? Do such statements promote a
climate of hate and hostility toward those who fail to accept FMSF claims? Do
such statements have a chilling effect on some who otherwise might v

Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself?


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When you get to these upper-level individuals which you have termed
"Marxist" I do not think they bother to vote.  They already know the
outcome.  Any gesture along those lines is for appearance only.  Either way,
they win.
Amelia


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating
Itself?


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>
> - Original Message -
> From: Amelia Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > From: Amelia Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > > Note the part about 89% of journalists voting for Clinton.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > >> The New Australian
> > > >> Remember: 89 per cent of Washington journalists voted for Clinton
> > > >> and everything he stands for, including the destruction of our
> > > >> military. What America needs is a moral revival and the media is
> > > >> a good place to start.
> > >
> > > Questions that come to mind: Where did that 89% statistic come from?
> > > What percentage of EDITORS [gatekeepers], not REPORTERS [newsserfs]
> > > "voted for Clinton and everything he stands for"?  Are "Clinton" and
> > > "everything he stands for" identical?  Could some have voted for Bill
> > > [I didn't] not because they liked "everything he stands for" but
> > > because they somehow perceived some difference between the nearly-
> > > identical platforms of Clinton-Bush [92] and Clinton-Dole [96]??
>
> > That statistic may have come from the survey taken by MSNBC News.  I
> > remember the survey but not the exact percentage.  That seems about
> > right.
>
> Sure, I remember that 'survey' too, but the other questions remain
> unanswered.  That survey, and the NewOzzy piece, misconstrue power
> relationships in media.  Line-workers don't make policy, managers
> do.  I have a simple little quiz re: "Liberal" media:
>
> Q: How do you become a journalist in the US?
> A: An editor hires you.
> Q: How do you become an editor in the US?
> A: Senior management hires you.
> Q: How do you become senior management in the US?
> A: The owner(s) hire you.
> Q: How many media corporations in the US are owned by Marxists?
> A: (the answer is left as an exercise for the student)
> Q: Who controls biases of US media - journalists, editors, or owners?
> A: (the answer is left as an exercise for the student)
> Q: What is the religion of for-profit corporations?
> A: Money.
> Q: What is the driving force behind media corporations?
> A: Money.
> Q: What will corporations do to make more money?
> A: Anything they can get away with.
>
> The logic is simple: If a perceived bias, if polarization of the
> populace, will sell advertising space in any media, that medium
> WILL present polarizing, biases productions.  If ad space can be
> sold in productions about talking equines, alien invaders, cabals,
> soft-core porn, conspiracies, vampire slayers, Elvis, or anything
> else, such productions WILL be presented, with much fanfare.
>
> Keep in mind that, for commercial media, their actual product is
> the audience, not the production.  They sell their audience to their
> advertisers.  When we consume TV, radio, periodicals, WE are the
> product.  The content of the media is but a lure.  Every pundit and
> politico before the public eye is a performer, a dancing bear, a
> talking parrot who squawks to grab our attention for the next sales
> pitch, the next chance to sell US to the advertisers.  When a media
> outlet spouts an ideological line, it's because they have enough
> of an audience to generate dividends for the shareholders.
>
> So in presidential campaigns, the finalists have indistinguishable
> political platforms, and the only way to induce candidates/parties
> [advertisers] to plow MASSIVE amounts of cash into media biz, is to
> produce presentations magnifying the minute distinctions between
> Tweedledee and Tweedledum, to garner sufficient audiences [we, the
> product] for the show.  Never let truth stand in the way of a good
> story [that's showiz].  Misconstrue every possible detail.  Omit
> every embarrassing contrary detail.  89% OF JOURNALISTS VOTED FOR
> MARXIST CLINTON!!  But how many editors/owners did, and who controls
> what journalists write, and is corporate-whore Dixiecrat Clinton any
> more Marxist than was Reagan?  Hey, don't answer that, the readers/
> viewers will get bored and switch channels and ad revenues will
> drop and the shareholders will be pissed and I'll be pounding the
> streets looking for another cushy job.  Keep the juices flowing.
>
> Never underestimate the power of greed.
>
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[CTRL] East Texas

1999-07-14 Thread DIG Jeremy Combs


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Hey all,
I will be traveling around east texas this weekend, anyone know of some
interesting/mysterious places there?? Thanks.

Odyssius
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Re: [CTRL] Global Tryanny

1999-07-14 Thread Inhabitant of the Conquered lands


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jay rutledge States:

<" I believe the following, however, are incorrect:.  "The parties of
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Re: [CTRL] A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves ET Space Beacon


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- Original Message -
From: Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Apollo X Gets Glimpse Of An Extraterrestrial Monolith In Space;
> Later A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves the Space Beacon
> by
> Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
<...>
> Dr. Richard Boylan is a behavioral scientist, university instructor,
> certified clinical hypnotherapist, and researcher into
> extraterrestrial-human encounters.

Dr. Boylan also had his license to practice as a psychological
therapist lifted after being convicted of sexually abusing female
patients he had under hypnosis.  Dr. Boylan claims the charges
and conviction were a gov't plot to discredit his UFO researches.

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[CTRL] A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves ET Space Beacon

1999-07-14 Thread Nicky Molloy


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Apollo X Gets Glimpse Of An Extraterrestrial Monolith In Space;

Later A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves the Space Beacon

by

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

(c)1998

The following information was disclosed to me by a reliable confidential
informant, who

previously worked on contract for the National Security Agency, and
maintains connections

within the Intelligence community. This informant, whom I shall call
"Jesse", has over 40 years of

notes from a very close relative, who served as CIA liaison to the National
Security Council on

UFO/ET matters. This information has been confirmed by a second source, Dr.
Michael Wolf of

the National Security Council's unacknowledged subcommittee, the MJ-12
Special Studies

Group. I have talked with Dr. Wolf about the notes' author, Jesse's
relative. Dr. Wolf said

that that CIA official "was like an uncle to me."



The reports which follow are thus not "leaks", but rather based on planned
releases of

information. These releases are part of a public Acclimation Program, an
official though

unacknowledged U.S. Government policy of "processed release of information",
as Dr. Wolf

described it.



According to "Jesse", in 1969 the Apollo 10 astronauts Stafford, Cernan and
Young were the

first to film an extraterrestrial space beacon, dubbed The Monolith,
somewhat like, but smaller

than, the one in Arthur C. Clarke's book/movie "2001". They were not,
however, the first

astronauts to spot this ET beacon. The Monolith was first sighted by Russian
cosmonaut Yuri

Gagarin, the first man in space, in 1961. He was followed into space that
same year by American

astronaut Alan Shephard, who also sighted the beacon. Apollo 10 went to it,
and filmed it from

every angle. The Monolith acted like a communication beacon. Jesse said, "It
sort of acts like the

message received in the movie "Contact". It had a message on it, in addition
to a map of the

extraterrestrial civilization which placed it there], and how to get to
them."



The Apollo 10 astronauts brought back the message captured on film. The
Monolith's energy

affected Apollo 10's instrumentation, so that its crew almost didn't get
back. As soon as the film

Apollo 10 took came back to Earth, those Intelligence compartments which
deal with UFOs were

busy poring over information from the Monolith.



The government then used an early secret military space shuttle to go get
the Monolith itself.

This covert military spacecraft flew years before the first "official" NASA
Shuttle's public flights

in 1981. The spaceplane is operated by a secret military astronaut program
out of Vandenburg Air

Force Base, California, among other locations. The second flight mission of
this unacknowledged

military shuttle retrieved the Monolith, and brought it back to Earth in
1972 for study. [1]



After being retrieved, the Monolith was then transferred to a secret
research facility.

Scientific analysis of the Monolith was conducted at this domed underwater
facility located north

of Abaco, the northernmost of the Bahamas Islands. RCA Corporation is in
charge of that

experimentation research, Jesse says. Jesse stated, "They did it underwater,
after they saw people

dropping like flies. They figured that there would be better containment [of
the Monolith's

suspected cosmic energy emanations] underwater." He noted that the space
beacon "has a sound

to it, like it talks. It also gives off a light show." Dr. Michael Wolf shed
additional light on the

beacons. "They are 'postcards from the rim'. They emit both light and tone
signals, sending a

mathematical language. There may be five or more ET civilizations involved
in setting up these

beacons."



Among the scientists who worked on it were famed astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan,
U.S.

Army Intelligence and Security Command General William Stubblebine, (ret.),
National Security

Council consultant Dr. Michael Wolf, and a former division head of CIA.
Everyone who had

prolonged close physical contact with the Monolith got cancer, Jesse says.
"And those who tried

to dissect it [the Monolith] died right there on the spot." The CIA
Counter-Intelligence official

and Dr. Wolf got colon cancer. The CIA man required surgery, but Dr. Wolf's
cancer later went

into a spontaneous remission. Dr. Sagan eventually died of his cancer.



Jesse feels that there are many more space beacons out in space, acting as
"postcards".

"I'm sure Mother Russia had one." [2]



Jesse also revealed a 1973 formula for gravity control, used by the military
to construct

antigravity aerospace vehicles.[a] He disclosed that noted quantum physicist
Jack Sarfatti was in a

position to be familiar with this gravity formula used by the government.
Jesse observed, "With

regard to Sarfatti, as I can determine it [from the notes], he was on site
doing work on the

relationship between downed UFO's and back-engineering, to the degree that
he assisted in the

gravity makeup formulae."



Jesse added that Sa

Re: [CTRL] Re Christie Todd Whitman


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Yep, you are the only one, Prudy.
AKE.
PS I saw the previous post.  It came through just fine.


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Subject: [CTRL] Re Christie Todd Whitman


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> I am again sending this message, because for some reason or other, the
List
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> I would have received a copy of it addressed to me as a list member.  I
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> protect me from myself, but it is very irritating.  Perhaps that is the
> result desired.
>
> In a message dated 07/12/1999 10:09:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>
> <<
>  At this point, I'd vote for ANYONE who would put Christie Whitman in as
>  a running mate. At least as VP, she can't screw over taxpayers quite as
>  badly as she's done in NJ >>
>
> Wanna bet?  Am I the only person in the United States of America who would
> like to see Sheila Jackson Lee running for president?  The lady is
> intelligent, thoughtful and has an organized mind.  She appears to be
honest
> and aware of both her constituency and the rest of the nation.  I also
think
> she is honest.  Well, in reading over my first few sentences, I can see
I've
> answered my own question.  No one would consider those qualities as
> presidential material.  Prudy
>
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Re: [CTRL] OT: Evidence of Serbian Massacre? (fwd)


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This article is totally illogical!  NATO began bombing because days later
children would be killed.  Then NATO proceeded to kill a few of its own
children and other civilians.  This is an insult to our intelligence.
Remember Jamie Shea grinning like a maniac as he told of all the civilian
deaths?  We are totally stupid and disposable in the eyes of these people as
are their victims.  It takes a certain amount of confidence that they will
not be questioned to publish something so obviously flawed in reasoning.
Amelia



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From: MICHAEL SPITZER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:20 PM
Subject: [CTRL] OT: Evidence of Serbian Massacre? (fwd)


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>  This news article taking from AP Breaking a few minutes ago.
> I snipped the last few paragraphs.  Note that the alleged
> massacre of the children took place AFTER the Nato bombing
> started.  There are rumors of others killed in Celine and Nagafc.
> Then, the Nato official states that the massacres are why they
> had to bomb.  Am I missing something?  Didn't the article just
> state that the 20 children were killed after the bombing started?
> What do you think the chances are that the other alleged
> massacres took place after the Nato bombing started?
>
>
> Investigators find bodies of 11 children slain by Serbs
>
> PRISTINA, Yugoslavia (AP) - British forensic experts in Kosovo
> have uncovered the bodies of 11 children, some as young as 2
> years old, shot at close range by Serb forces, Britain's foreign
> secretary said Tuesday. The revelation came as a top U.N. war
> crimes prosecutor said it was possible that Yugoslav President
> Slobodan Milosevic could be charged with genocide for the Serbs'
> campaign of atrocities in Kosovo, on top of other war crimes
> charges he already faces.
>
> British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook said the bodies of the
> children - aged 2 to 16 years old - had been discovered among 20
> corpses found in the southwestern village of Celine.
>
> Sources at the British Foreign Office, speaking on customary
> condition of anonymity, said the 20 dead were believed to have
> come from one family, shot by Serb forces on March 25 or March 26
> - a day or two after NATO began its bombing campaign against
> Yugoslavia.
>
> German officers had said there appeared to be graves containing
> 119 people in Celine and the neighboring village of Nagafc.
>
> Cook, speaking to a parliamentary committee in London, said such
> massacres were ``compelling evidence'' as to why NATO had to wage
> its 78-day air campaign against Yugoslavia and then deploy a
> peacekeeping force in the Serbian province.
>
> (rest of article snipped, although it did contain some
> interesting things.  Too long for here).
>
> =
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>
>   FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>    <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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>Your the one that is stereotyping,

Like the man said, if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, I
say it IS a duck.

You talk like a Nazi. It doesn't mean you ARE a Nazi. But that doesn't
make any difference.

>and seem to already have all the answers.

About Nazis? Damn skippy, I do. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

There's more to it of course, but that's all anyone REALLY needs to know.

>Are you even sure with the CIA and the FBI as well as the rest of the
alphabet soup that there are even
any Christians on this list?

(1.) Don't change the subject.

(2.) You talking gibberish. The existance of alphabet soup and who's on
this list are totally unrelated, to each other and to the topic. It's a
sophmoric debate tactic, lamer even than changing the subject. If that's
the best you can do, give up; you're out classed here.

>We could all be *(&%$&*# 's.

And you're typing gibberish, too. It's ugly, but it's not as uglyas that
Nazi crap you write.

>Also are you saying that you came from a lineage that did not burn
babies?

Hell, I'm descended from head hunters. But you know what? We only took
heads from each other, NEVER from women and children.

OK, your turn.

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [Re: [SC] Seahenge gives up its secrets]]


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Bob,
Well, at least it would feed the rats, gerbils, etc.
Amelia



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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [Re: [SC] Seahenge gives up its secrets]]


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> "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > >
> > > > What makes you think the ancient Britons were so foolish as to eat
> > > > broccoli?  Do YOU?  Of course not!  Are YOU any smarter than the
> > > > ancient Britons?  Of course not!  Is your implant misfiring?  Maybe.
> > >
> > > Egad...then...George H.W. Bush was actually revealing ancient esoteric
> > > wisdom when he refused to eat broccoli? Is *this* what is taught to
> > > initiates of Skull & Bones?
> >
> > Have you ever seen a 30th-degree [or higher] Mason eat broccoli,
> > brussel sprouts or other noxious member of the Brassicaseae plant
> > family?  Have you ever seen any senior Presidential aides consume
> > such vegetables?  Of COURSE not!  That's one of the deepest Old
> > Craft secrets - actually there's more, there's something they DO
> > with the brassicas, not eating them, something else, something
> > so monstrous that they NEVER reveal is - but if you infiltrate
> > the next Bohemian Grove encampment, you might be able to capture
> > it on video - if they don't catch and kill you first.  Beware.
> >
> But what do they...oh no! They DON'T...oh great Ghod, the thought is too
much
> to bear... Isn't it...horribly uncomfortable? Suppose you have
hemorrhoids?
>
> Bob
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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-14 Thread piper

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nessie wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I notice you avoided my question. So tell us, are you sorry you burned all
> those babies alive or aren't you? A simple yes or no will suffice, though
> of course citations are always welcome as long as they pertain to the
> subject.

Your the one that is stereotyping, and seem to already have
all the answers.  Are you even sure with the CIA and the FBI
as well as the rest of the alphabet soup that there are even
any Christians on this list?  We could all be
*(&%$&*# 's.

Also are you saying that you came from a lineage that did not burn
babies?  Careful with your answer, religions / beliefs and what
they have done - as well as the atheist can be interesting.

Piper

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Re: [CTRL] A REAL conspiracy-For-profit health insurance.

1999-07-14 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> --
> >From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Babies die, mothers arrested
> > U.S. health care and 'criminal negligence'
> > By Deirdre Griswold
> > New York
> >
>
> > The corporate media here say repeatedly that socialism has "failed" and that
> > Cuba is repressive. But Tabitha Walrond and Tatiana Cheeks lost their babies
> > and their freedom in New York, not Havana. It's the profit system that has
> > failed by creating a glittering high-tech world that is completely out of
> > reach for an ever-growing part of the population.
> >

Howard Davis wrote:

>
> The US also has a socialist medical system. It has just failed in different
> ways than the Cuban system. Neither is free market.
>
> Howard Davis

This is news to me.  A socialist system?  Living close to the Canadian
border, I can pick up the Winnipeg talk shows on a regular basis.  Three
weeks ago, one of the topics of discussion was the fact that many
Americans are coming north to Canada to buy prescription drugs.  In Canada
the very same drug will cost on the average SIXTY PERCENT LESS what it
costs in the US because of the American pharmaceutical manufacturers'
control of the American market.

Also, there's a thriving insurance industry in Canada selling medical
insurance to Canadians who plan on visiting the US.  They have to take out
policies because if they get into an accident here without insurance,
they can expect to pay a good percentage of their savings to the doctors
and hospital. We have a socialist medical system?  uhnot quite.

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[CTRL] "The Jewish Establishment" by Joseph Sobran


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http://www.flinet.com/~politics/aipac/sobran2.htm


  "Americans ought to be free to discuss Jewish power and Jewish
interests frankly, without being accused of denying the rights of Jews. That
should go without saying. The truth is both otherwise and unmentionable."
--- Joseph Sobran
--

"The Jewish Establishment"
by
Joseph Sobran


  In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty of the New York Times was in
Moscow, covering Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin wanted to be covered. To
maintain favor and access, he expressly denied that there was famine in the
Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian Christians were being starved into
submission. For his work Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize for journalism. To
this day, the Times remains the most magisterial and respectable of American
newspapers.

  Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in Berlin
during roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, portrayed him in a
flattering light, and denied that Jews were being mistreated - thereby not
only concealing, but materially assisting the regime's persecution. Would
that paper's respectability have been unimpaired several decades later?

  There you have an epitome of what is lamely called "media bias." The
Western supporters of Stalin haven't just been excused; they have received
the halo of victim hood for the campaign, in what liberals call the
"McCarthy era," to get them out of the government, the education system, and
respectable society itself.

  Not only persecution of Jews but any critical mention of Jewish power
in the media and politics is roundly condemned as "anti-semitism." But there
isn't even a term of opprobrium for participation in the mass murder of
Christians. Liberals still don't censure the Communist attempt to extirpate
Christianity from Soviet Russia and its empire, and for good reason -
liberals themselves, particularly Jewish liberals, are still trying to
uproot Christianity from America.

  It's permissible to discuss the power of every other group, from the
Black Muslims to the Christian Right, but the much greater power of the
Jewish Establishment is off-limits. That, in fact, is the chief measure of
its power: its ability to impose its own taboos while tearing down the
taboos of others - you might almost say its prerogative of offending. You
can read articles in Jewish-controlled publications from the Times to
Commentary blaming Christianity for the Holocaust or accusing Pope Pius XII
of indifference to it, but don't look for articles in any major publication
that wants to stay in business examining the Jewish role in Communism and
liberalism, however temperately.

  Power openly acquired, openly exercised, and openly discussed is one
thing. You may think organized labor or the Social Security lobby abuses its
power, but you don't jeopardize your career by saying so. But a kind of
power that forbids its own public mention, like the Holy Name in the Old
Testament, is another matter entirely.

  There is an important anomaly here. The word "Jewish," in this
context, doesn't include Orthodox or otherwise religious Jews. The Jews who
still maintain the Hebraic tradition of millennia are marginal, if they are
included at all, in the Jewish establishment that wields journalistic,
political, and cultural power. Morally and culturally, the Orthodox might be
classed as virtual Christians, much like the descendants of Christians who
still uphold the basic morality, if not the faith, of their ancestors. Many
of these Jews are friendly to Christians and eager to make common cause
against the moral decadence they see promoted by their apostate cousins.
Above all, the Orthodox understand, better than almost anyone else in
America today, the virtues - the necessity - of tribalism, patriarchal
authority, the moral bonds of kinship.

  The Jewish establishment, it hardly needs saying, is predominantly
secularist and systematically anti-Christian. In fact, it is unified far
more by its hostility to Christianity than by its support of Israel, on
which it is somewhat divided. The more left-wing Jews are faintly critical
of Israel, though never questioning its "right to exist" - that is, its
right to exist on terms forbidden to any Christian country; that is, its
right to deny rights to non-Jews. A state that treated Jews as Israel treats
gentiles would be condemned outright as Nazi-like. But Israel is called
"democratic," even "pluralistic."

  Explicitly "Jewish" organizations like the American Jewish Committee
and the Anti-Defamation League enforce a dual standard. What is permitted to
Israel is forbidden to America. This is not just thoughtless inconsistency.
These organizations consciously support one set of principles here - equal
rights for all, ethnic neutrality, separation of church and state - and
their precise opposit

Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democra...

1999-07-14 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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I believe citizens should have the right to own firearms.  Of course.  THe
problem is the proliferation of guns on the streets..easy access, and the
fact that we are undergoing a form of collective psychosis.

We're the "richest" country on the face of the earth, but how many
millions of people live in poverty, or lack basic health insurance.  We
have more churches than any other country in the world, but our kids are
killing one another..

And we hate one another.  Just look at some of the completely insane posts
on the net.

It's a little too late for a "love-in" at this stage of civilization.  But
what do you think the future will be like for this place?  I think we have
to start getting beyond the medieval thinking of the past and be willing
to contemplate some alternatives to the current system.

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>
> In a message dated 7/12/99 6:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>
> > I think that what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge was criminal...
> >  absolute atrocities...  But the number of nuts with guns is on the
> >  increase..and any government is going to respond.
> >
> >
>
> Well, it is true that these things are deplorable.  The number of nuts with
> guns may or may not be on the increase.  What is certain is that the
> government will respond, in ham handed fashion no doubt.  Blanket gun laws,
> laws against hating people, and the like.  Why not just make it a law that
> you have to love everyone and do everything you can for the benefit of
> everyone else?  The penalty for not doing so is, of course, having your door
> kicked in at 3:00 A.M., getting dragged off to some prison and being locked
> away.  Plus having all your assets seized so that the police can buy more
> guns, and "non-lethal" weapons to make our country the peaceful land of love
> we all know it to be.
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[CTRL] Fw: December 7, 1999: Pearl Harbor II

1999-07-14 Thread day


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> Subject: Full Text---December 7, 1999: Pearl Harbor II
> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Below is an article I ran across while scurrying around on the net.
> It details a 13-week period of  planned crises beginning Dec. 6, and
> involving a U.S. "provoked" confrontation on the Korean peninsula.
> It was posted under a pseudonym, so I can't vouch  for the source;
> pretty alarming and well-informed content, though. Your call as to
> whether to pass it on
> ---the URL is at the bottom of the message.
>
> Best,
> Mike-F4
> ___
>
> DECEMBER 7, 1999: PEARL HARBOR II?
> Posted by "Quixote" 7/12/99 @ 20:57:25:
>
> "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are
> doomed to repeat it."
>
> The following is a speculation, but it is informed
> speculation.
>
> As I stated before, a series of crises are slated to
> begin December 6, 1999. I think one of the first of these will be war
> on the Korean Peninsula, a war that will embroil the U.S. and lure the
> remainder of our troops out of the country (in preparation for future
> crises) and tie up our forces in the Korean theater.
>
> Historical Background:
> Japan attacked the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor on
> December 7, 1941. Contrary to the official line, this attack was
> provoked and it was not a surprise. Read
> http://www.clinton.net/~mewilley/pearl.html and
> http://users.deltanet.com/~dericker/FDR%D5s%20Day%20of%Treason.htm
> for more details. I believe that unless
> preventative action is taken, something similar may happen to the U.S.
> Pacific fleet precisely 58 years after this attack (note 5+8=13, and
> 58's factors are 2 and 29, and 2+2+9=13, a number of occult significance
> to the people who are planning these crises). This new
> attack would be launched by North Korea, and would also be provoked
> and no surprise. The proof that it will not be a surprise is that it I have
> warned you about it nearly 5 months beforehand.
>
> North Korea has recently benn developing advanced missile designs. A
> while back they test-fired a missile over Japanese airspace, and they
> are planning to test a missile soon that will be capable of striking
> the U.S.
> >Snip<
> In any event, they already have missiles that are capable of striking
> Japan and Hawaii. |Very recently, the U.S. provoked North Korea by
> sending a battle group including the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Constellation
> to Pusan, South Korea >< . North Korea accused the U.S. and South
> Korea of trying to antagonize it and drag it into a war.
>
> North Korea has been massing over 2 million troops along the edge of
> the DMZ, probably in preparation for a ground invasion of South Korea.
> The Korean War of 1950-53 never really ended; the two Koreas have
> been in a mutual state of war for nearly 50 years and are operating
> under an armistice that can break down at any time. North Korea is
> quickly running out of food and will not be able to feed both its military
> and civilian populations for much longer. The South has food, and a war
> would also mean that every soldier killed would not have to be fed.
> North Korea will likely run out of food this winter and will be forced to
> invade South Korea even if its leaders did not want to. Expect further
> provocative acts from the U.S. in the coming months that will parallell the 
>provocations against Japan in the summer of 1941 and
> will serve as a
> warning sign.
>
>
> These actions include, but are not limited to:
>
> -shows of military force, like the recent one in Pusan
> -a freeze of all North Korean assets in the U.S.
> -a trade war/embargo against North Korea
> -international condemnation of North Korea by the  "West"
>   (led by the U.S.)
> -diplomatic snubs of North Korea by the U.S.
>
> There is only one thing standing in the way of North Korea's invasion
> of South Korea, and that is the United States Navy's Pacific Fleet.
> North Korea would have to neutralize the fleet prior to its attack on
> South Korea. Otherwise, our Navy will make minced meat out of them
> and they know it.
>
> http://www.cpf.navy.mil/organization/organization.htm is the URL of the
> United States Navy's Pacific Fleet's Organization. This information is
> available to the general public and anyone can go there and read it,
> even someone in North Korea. (Of course we have certain
> more esoteric countermeasures if things get too out of hand-ed., F4)
> This page states that the Third Fleet operates out of San Diego, CA.
> and that the Seventh Fleet operates out of Yokosuka, Japan. We also
> still have a Naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. North Kore could
> alunch a preemptiv first strike against our naval forces in port prior
> to or simultaneous with an invasion of South Korea. North Korea could
> not do this wiht naval or air power, as its forces are very weak in
> these areas compared to Japan in 1941. However North Korea has nuclear
> weapons, which Japan only dreamed

[CTRL] Fw: y2k computer viruses

1999-07-14 Thread day


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> http://www.csis.org/html/y2kw9.html
> Y2K Computer Viruses
>
>
> Y2K Risk Assessment Task Force:
> Chairman:
> Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator
>
> Vice Chairmen:
> Bradley D. Belt, Director, International Finance and Economic Policy
> Arnaud de Borchgrave, Director, Global Organized Crime
> William Garrison, Director, International Communications
>
>
> The Melissa virus and the Chernobyl virus recently demonstrated how easy it
> is to disrupt a system and cause millions of dollars worth of damage. They
> are only the tip of the iceberg. There are more than a hundred millennium
> viruses being developed, while all the effort around the Year 2000 computer
> problem is focusing on changing the date fields in mission critical systems.
> The impact of the Melissa virus and the Chernobyl virus pales in comparison
> to the impact that these millennium viruses could have, especially if they
> all hit at the same time.
>
> Security expertise and communications engineering knowledge has virtually
> become second nature to today's computer savvy youth. As a result, the
> quality and the sophistication of simple viruses has significantly
> increased. Witness the Melissa virus, a simply coded virus which was totally
> benign it its nature. But, its sophisticated concept of carrier broadcast,
> which allows a virus to replicate itself and spread rapidly through a
> system, ultimately created an atmosphere of panic.
>
> More recently, the Chernobyl virus wreaked havoc in the Middle East and Asia
> as well as some European countries. This virus, which was set to activate on
> the anniversary of the Chernobyl incident, attempts to corrupt the data on
> the hard drive, while at the same time tampering with the boot up (BIOS)
> program, without which the computer can not be turned on. South Korea for
> instance, estimates that up to 15 percent of all its computers may have been
> affected causing damage of up to $250 million. Other areas of the world also
> suffered extensive damage. The United States, on the other hand, has
> remained largely unaffected. The reason for this is that experts in the
> United States have known about the Chernobyl virus for nearly a year and
> were able to make preparations by updating the anti-virus software and by
> being vigilant.
>
> The same can not be said about millennium viruses. There is very little,
> easily accessible public information on them, making it difficult to assess
> the threat. But, the problem must be taken seriously. As Jeremy Phillips,
> President of PS Technologies, points out, "anybody who has ever worked with
> viruses will understand why these viruses are not widely known. Simply, a
> virus is not usually known about until it strikes for the first time. As
> these viruses are specifically coded not to activate until the computer
> clock is either 00 or 2000, there is no reason to suspect that they exist.
> However, they do."
>
> According to Mr. Phillips, there are more than 130 computer viruses that are
> set to activate at the stroke of midnight 2000. Most of these viruses are
> harmless, falling into the "nuisance category." A number of the known
> viruses (10-12), on the other hand, are designed with specific malicious
> intent. If these viruses all strike at the same, time they have the
> potential to make a bad situation worse. Systems administrators, already
> stressed with ensuring the seamless Y2K roll-over, may be pushed to a
> breaking point increasing the probability of human error and widespread
> system failures.
>
> What do some of these millennium viruses do?
>
>
> Benign Viruses:
>
> As stated earlier, most of the millennium viruses are, according to
> tradition, child-like and non-malicious in their intent. One virus, for
> instance, creates a picture on your screen of death holding a new-born baby
> with the numbers "2000"over his head. Seventeen other viruses just display
> the number "2000" on the screen, and then have it explode in confetti.
> Although potentially very annoying, these types of viruses cause no lasting
> damage and are easily removed.
>
> Malicious Viruses:
>
> The most dangerous "strains" of millennium viruses are being developed by
> groups that are small, well financed, and located outside of the United
> States. In some cases, the programmers who design the viruses have set up
> companies in neutral countries that do software/computer consulting. Profits
> from their legitimate activities are then used to finance more nefarious
> projects.
>
> The malicious millennium viruses, if left unchecked, could cause serious
> damage to various areas of the international infrastructure, especially the
> international telecommunications infrastructure. One virus, for example,
> specifically targets major companies' telephone Electronic Switching
> Systems, randomly rerouting calls. Three other malicious viruses will
> actually lock a processor in a divide by zero loop, which, if left running
> for a sufficient amount

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+
FREEDOM Watch
A look at what's new on "Project FREEDOM."
( http://www.house.gov/paul/ )
+
Issued: Wednesday, July 14, 1999
+

Paul opposes ill-named bill
HR1691 will restrict, not protect, religious liberty

WASHINGTON, DC -- In classic Washington, DC, form, the "Religious Liberty
Protection Act" (HR1691) is nothing of the sort, and in fact just the
opposite, said US Rep. Ron Paul (R, Texas), who is voting against the
measure.

Rep. Paul said the legislation flies in the face of the First Amendment's
clear statement that Congress "shall make no law" prohibiting the "free
exercise" of religion.

"However, HR1691 specifically prevents free exercise whenever the government
claims a 'compelling interest.' Of course, that compelling interest is not
defined, so it could be literally anything."

Such loose language, said Dr. Paul, gives bureaucrats and the courts
near-free reign over religious exercise in the United States.

"Nowhere does the legislation actually enforce the spirit of the First and
Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution. Rather, its design is to impose a
national standard of 'religious liberty' beyond what the federal government
is allowed to do under our Constitution," said Rep. Paul. "It is telling
that one of the staunchest supporters of the measure is the liberal
Americans United for the Separation of Church and State..."

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Re: [CTRL] Brave New World


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> > Huxley's hatcheries
> > By MICHAEL R. ALIX
> > TMNS Technology Editor
> >
> > Aldous Huxley ...did write at least one science fiction book,
> > Brave New World (1932). That was almost seventy years ago, when
> > bio-engineering was just a glint in a scientist's eye. Today,
> > the hatcheries of Brave New World are closer to reality.
> > While we endure the growth of the Internet, we look to its
> > generational cousin as a work of horror, Frankenstein's hobby
> > revisited, and wonder where it will lead.

As usual, fear-mongers invoke FRANKENSTEIN without having read
the bloody book - or maybe they're just anxious to misappropriate
a metaphor once again.  Mary Shelly's FRANKENSTEIN was NOT about
the arrogance and misapplication of science; Victor Frankenstein
was NOT a mad scientist/doctor and did NOT use science to raise
the dead.  Rather, Victor was a failed former medical student who
abandoned science when it didn't fulfill his spiritual quest, and
turned to MAGIC to animate the dead.  His 'creature', his virtual
son, then so disgusted him that he ran off.  The book is about
abandonment, about refusal to take personal responsibility for
one's actions.  When you hear a speaker link FRANKENSTEIN with
alleged misdeeds of science, prepare yourself for a twisty ride
along the Luddite path - more distortions are sure to follow.

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[CTRL] Brave New World

1999-07-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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>From www.morrock.com/tech.htm


> Huxley's hatcheries
>
> By MICHAEL R. ALIX
> TMNS Technology Editor
> July 14, 1999
>
>
>
>
> Aldous Huxley, often mistakenly taken for a science fiction
> writer, did write at least one science fiction book, Brave New
> World (1932). That was almost seventy years ago, when
> bio-engineering was just a glint in a scientist's eye. Today, the
> hatcheries of Brave New World are closer to reality.
>
> While we endure the growth of the Internet, we look to its
> generational cousin as a work of horror, Frankenstein's hobby
> revisited, and wonder where it will lead. While bits attain some
> kind of clarity in our minds as information packets as
> decipherable as the semantic folios of the library of Babylon,
> genes, DNA, and embryos retain much of their gelatinous mystery,
> as goo that's formless and indecipherable outside of cyclotrons
> and laboratory vials.
>
> And yet, this goo is shedding its mysteries, promising a Brave
> New World more harrowing than the open society of the Net. The
> specter of eugenics, which raised its head in Huxley's time, when
> Huxley's grandpa was still "Darwin's Bulldog" and when the
> British elite could dream up the bio-engineered paradise/hells of
> Brave New World, The Time Machine, and The Island of Doctor
> Moreau, raises its head anew.
>
> Brave New World begins with a "walk-through" of a modern human
> hatchery, where embryos are coaxed to split over and over again
> to produce hundreds of genetic twins. In today's laboratories,
> the same effect can be achieved through cloning. The British
> dreamers foresaw that the point to engineering life might not be
> a better human race, but a safer and happier one. After eons of
> warring and killing, history is a bad dream that the new world
> wants to awaken from.
>
> Do we need such an awakening? The fruits are tempting. Life
> hitherto has been a license for brutes to mistreat their progeny,
> to breed viviparously (randomly), and to raise differences among
> people that can be exploited for their destruction. The happy,
> the peaceful, the satisfied, and the healthy are less prone to
> the resentments that mollify moral monsters such as Caligula,
> Hitler, and Stalin. That's not to say that only the discontented
> do evil, but that a happier humanity might be less prone to such
> temptations. Is eugenics really so scary?
>
> Arguably, democracy, with its attendant ideology "demodoxy," the
> belief in averageness -- in time-tested values, in the pure forms
> of immortal ideas -- leads to a eugenics of sorts. So does power
> lust, the ideology to win-win, achieve success at all cost -- in
> short, the elitism of people who feel that by their culture or by
> their birthright, they are privileged. Oddly, the same will to
> privilege seems to have embolded both hereditary aristocracies
> and terrorist fraternities in the past. And nationalism, in many
> respects, resembles a terrorist fraternity. Consider, in passing,
> the qualms of the American founding fathers, who feared
> sectarianism would render their political machine a whim of
> history, and who did all they could to equilibrate it.
>
> There will come a time, as we begin to think about the new
> artifices that science is bringing to our societies, when we will
> have to decide that progress means perhaps a co-existence of
> artificial forms and natural ones, of eugenics and random
> selection. If we can decimate genetic disease, we may also
> provide some strengths to the genome that will render it stronger
> in other ways than merely counteracting disease. We may want to
> live longer, for example, or guarantee a range of propensities to
> the people whom we launch into a future that won't be ours.
>
> Do we want -- or will they want -- health and happiness? Do we
> want longevity? Do we want a better guarantee of social
> acceptance and adaptation to the functions of the real world?
> These are not flighty questions, nor are they best left to
> experts. They are a matter for present reflection -- before our
> own Brave New World, for better or for worst, dawns upon us.
>
>
>
> Related Link:
>
> Brave New World? A Defense of Paradise-Engineering
http://www.huxley.net/

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[CTRL] FW: The Case for a Do-Nothing Congress

1999-07-14 Thread Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Robert Weissman
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 1:21 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list CORP-FOCUS
Subject: The Case for a Do-Nothing Congress

Many Americans think that a do-nothing Congress mired in gridlock prevents
it from conducting the people's business.

Think again.

A majoritarian faction of corporatist Republicans and Democrats have
aggressively combined to usher through many of corporate America's top
legislative priorities. And the Clinton White House, while threatening to
brandish its veto power, has instead mostly sought minor modifications to
the corporate dream bills.

Consider the following gifts bestowed on the nation's largest businesses
by the corporatist Congress:

* Y2K Immunity. Although it is fair to say that the public and businesses
have been widely aware of the eventual arrival of the year 2000  for
decades, many software designers failed to design products that will
adequately respond to this eventuality, and then failed to take timely
corrective action. Congress chose to give them special protections
nonetheless.

The Y2K immunity legislation would make it much harder for consumers and
small businesses that suffer from Y2K failures to be compensated, and
would also make it difficult to file class action lawsuits for Y2K harms
or injuries. Although President Clinton initially said he "strongly
opposed" the legislation, he has now agreed to a compromise measure that
closely resembles the earlier version he denounced.

The National Association of Manufacturers and other business lobbies made
Y2K immunity legislation a top priority -- as much for its precedential
value as because of the legislation's inherent importance to big
corporations. With the Y2K victory in hand, they will now look to chip
away at other citizen protections in the civil justice system. Next up: a
broad bill to undermine citizens' ability to file class action lawsuits.

* Financial Consolidation. Under the banner of "financial modernization,"
H.R. 10 would permit banks, investment companies and securities firms to
merge. Both houses have now passed H.R. 10; and the White House, now
threatening a veto over community reinvestment and other provisions, may
cut a deal to permit a slightly watered-down version to become law.

If enacted into law, H.R. 10 would likely generate a tidal wave of
financial industry mergers. The financial lobby would tighten its
political stranglehold on Washington. Giant conglomerates would lock in a
too-big-to-fail status, ensuring a future marked by bailouts of
mega-financial firms.

The mega-companies will invade consumer privacy by trading insurance, bank
and other personal data between affiliates, and then conducting intrusive
direct marketing schemes accordingly. The right to violate consumer
privacy is so essential to the financial goliaths that they threatened to
oppose H.R. 10 if it was amended to include minimal privacy protections.

* Modern Day Debtors' Prison. In a gift to the credit card industry, the
House of Representatives has passed misnamed "bankruptcy reform" that
would undermine one of the remaining fairness rules intended to benefit
the down and out. The Senate is poised to pass the bill soon. Consumer
advocates hold out hope for a White House veto.

The bankruptcy legislation would make it much harder to file for
bankruptcy; extend the period debtors were forced to stay in bankruptcy;
and make it harder for debtors to prioritize payments for vital items such
as a homes or food over credit card debt.

* NAFTA for Africa. The African Growth and Opportunity Act, a gold mine
for U.S. business, is scheduled for a quick vote in the House. If it
passes the House -- no certainty, thanks to public opposition -- it will
come up for consideration sometime thereafter in the Senate, where it will
face entrenched opposition. Should it pass both chambers, the White House
is eagerly awaiting a signing ceremony.

The NAFTA for Africa bill would grant very modest trade benefits to
African countries; but it would condition those benefits on African
countries opening their borders to imports and investments from U.S.
companies, privatizing government operations, protecting U.S. intellectual
property interests and following the prescriptions of the International
Monetary Fund (IMF). Illinois Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr. has
rightly said the bill is about Africa's "recolonization."

Gridlock comes in the 106th Congress only when an outraged public forces
issues of citizen concern onto the legislative agenda. Then the
corporatists are usually able to block even modest positive measures in
areas like a patients' bill of rights or campaign finance reform, but they
are less able to ram through the corporate wish list.

When the public enters a do-something mode, Congress reverts to a
do-nothing posture -- generally about the best that can be expected from
the current band of r

[CTRL] Texas Corporate Interests Financed Bulk of Bush Races


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from:
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/POLITICS/ELECT2000/PRES/lat_bush990714.htm

http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/POLITICS/ELECT2000/PRES/lat_bush990714.
htm">Texas Corporate Interests Financed Bulk of Bush

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Texas Corporate Interests Financed Bulk of Bush Races
Politics: Study offers detailed look at contributors. Aide says largess
does not influence governor's policy positions.
By ALAN C. MILLER, Times Staff Writer


   Texas Corporate Interests Financed Bulk of Bush Races
   Conservative Senator's Farewell Tirade Rattles GOP


Texas Gov. George W. Bush arrives at Washington D.C.'s Ronald Reagan
National Airport Tuesday night. (AP)USTIN, Texas--George W. Bush stunned
the political world last month by announcing that he had raised a record
$36 million in his race for the Republican presidential nomination.
 It wasn't the first time the Texas governor set new standards for
campaign cash. In two statewide elections, Bush raised $41 million--more
than any candidate for governor in history.
 An examination of Bush's fund-raising in Texas for the 1998 and
1994 gubernatorial campaigns found that much of the money came from
contributors with major stakes in state regulation.
 The computer-assisted analysis, the most extensive of its kind,
provides a detailed look at Bush's leading donors in Texas, including
oil and other large industrial companies trying to avert mandatory
pollution controls; businesses seeking relief from expensive civil
suits, and conservatives advocating state-paid vouchers for students in
private schools.
ON CNN


 These longtime alliances with major Texas corporate interests are
significant: Many of the large donors continue to back Bush as he
pursues the presidency. Indeed, Texans donated more than half of the
$7.6 million Bush raised for his presidential campaign during the first
quarter of this year.
 Moreover, Bush's ties to donors have prompted other Republican
candidates to portray the governor as a candidate beholden to special
interests--claims Bush denies. Steve Forbes said last month that Bush's
presidential fund-raising proves that "he is inextricably tied to
Washington lobbyists and special interests."
 In Texas, where individuals and corporate political committees may
contribute unlimited sums to politicians, big campaign money is a way of
life. And for Bush, a pro-business Republican, turning to the economic
powers in the Lone Star State was only natural.
 "One of the reasons they give to him is that he gives in return,"
said Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice, a
nonpartisan group that tracks political money. "His policies are very
pro-business."
 Core Principles
 A Bush spokeswoman said that large donations in no way influence
the governor's positions on policy issues.
 "He has a set of principles from which he does not waver," said
Karen Hughes, communications director for the Bush campaign. These core
principles include limited government, local control, strengthening
families and individual responsibility, Hughes said.
 Bush declined to be interviewed for this article.
 The skyrocketing cost of running for public office is not unique to
Texas--or to Bush. Republican Pete Wilson raised $27 million in his 1990
and 1994 gubernatorial campaigns in California; his successor,
Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, raised a whopping $31.8 million last year,
the largest amount for a single gubernatorial race.
 Bush's fund-raising success is due to a number of factors: his
political brand name, far-flung family and business contacts, engaging
personal style and appeal to longtime Republican donors, including
nontraditional sources drawn by his message of moderation. Bush's White
House bid also is seen by many Republicans as the party's best hope for
regaining the presidency.
 In the last six months alone, his front-running presidential
campaign has amassed at least $36 million from 75,000 donors--more than
all 11 of his Republican rivals combined. (Presidential aspirants are
limited to individual contributions of up to $1,000.) Bush already has
collected more money from individual donors than any primary candidate
in history.
BUSH FUND-RAISING
Texas Gov. George W. Bush has raised at least $77 million since his 1994
gubernatorial campaign, including significant sums from a wide range of
interests in Texas. Texas donors continue to play a key role in the
early stages of Bush's presidential campaign.
* 2nd quarter figures not available until Thursday.
** First six months 1999
Source: Campaign Study Group analysis for Los Angeles Times/CNN
Los Angeles Times
 On Thursday, all presidential candidates must file reports
disclosing donor information for the second quarter, ending June 30.
 The analysis of the two gubernatorial races--conducted for The
Times and CNN by the Campaign Study Group of Springfield, Va., a
nonparti

[CTRL] [10] The Ohio Gang


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An excerpt from:
The Ohio Gang
Charles L. Mee, Jr.©1981
M. Evans and Company, Inc.
216 East 49th Street
New York, New York 10017
ISBN 0-87131-340-5
218 pps  out-of-print/one edition
--[10]--

XXVIII.

The Big Oil Rip-Off And the Even Bigger One that Got Away

ON NEW YEAR'S Eve, the last day of 1921, Harry F. Sinclair arrived aboard his
private railroad car, The Sinco, to visit with Secretary of the Interior
Albert Fall at his Three Rivers Ranch in New Mexico. Sinclair had brought his
lawyer, Colonel J. W. Zevely, and each had brought his wife. Fall met them at
the branch-line Three Rivers station. There was no town, only a station, and
the whole spread seemed somewhat down-at-heel and dustblown. Not long before,
when another visitor had arrived at the ranch, he said that Fall owned a
Franklin car "that we had to get out and fix three or four times to get 3 or
4 miles up to his house ... [on] a very inferior, winding road, unmade road,
and very rough." The ranch was vast, composed of prize lands, but the fences
had gone unrepaired, the house was dilapidated, and the gossip in that part
of the country was that Fall had not paid his taxes since 1912 and that he
was broke.

Fall was ill, too. He suffered from chronic bronchial problems and pleurisy
and arthritis, and not long before, he had been gored by a pet stag he had on
his ranch. Two of his four children had died in the influenza epidemic of
1918; he had told his wife just before the 1920 Republican convention that he
was disgusted with politics and wanted to get out. But he planned to leave
his ranch to his children, and he wanted it to be in good repair and free of
debt; so he held on a while longer until Three Rivers Ranch could be handed
over to his children intact.

Harry Sinclair, bald, with bulging, froglike eyes, had started his business
career as a drugstore clerk. He had grown up in Kansas and inherited a small
sum of money when his father, the drugstore owner, died. He used that small
stake to invest in options in the new Kansas oil fields. He bought his first
oil well in 1905, and by 1915, he had become one of the biggest operators in
Kansas. By 1920, he was one of the richest oilmen In the world.

Sinclair and his party stayed at Fall's ranch for three days. They slept
aboard The Sinco, and they spent their days hunting deer and quail with the
ranch hands and their evenings sitting before the fire in the main ranch
house, talking oil.

The situation was this: in 1909 and 1910, President William Howard Taft had
begun to take over certain tracts of land that were in the public domain and
that appeared to hold oil, to keep them from private prospectors, and to
reserve them for the future use of the navy. By the beginning of World War I,
an eighth of all the oil lands in the United States had been reserved for
possible military needs-and had become a bone of contention between navy men
and oil men.

Three Rivers, said Fall, as he strolled about the ranch with his foreman and
Harry Sinclair, was short of milch cows. Sinclair spoke up at once to say
that he had far more blooded Holsteins on his own ranch than he really needed
(and he made it a point to remember, after he returned home, to send six
heifers, one yearling bull, two 6-month-old boars, and four young sowsalong
with an English racehorse for the foremanover to Three Rivers Ranch). A few
cows did not constitute a bribe worth millions of dollars in oil, but they
did break the ice.

Sinclair was hardly the only fellow interested in oil. One of Fall's oldest
friends, dating back to his prospecting days in New Mexico, was Edward
Doheny, a little, meek-looking man with wire-rimmed glasses down on his nose
and a large, sad, white walrus mustache. He had been a fruit packer, a mule
driver, a waiter. He had fought off a mountain lion with a knife. He had
fallen down a mine shaft and broken both legs, and while he had recuperated,
he had studied the law. He was worth at least a hundred million dollars, and
he had a yacht, and a fine home in California. Aside from the yacht and the
home, however, Doheny lived a simple life; he seemed not so much a
businessman as a wandering Celtic misfit lost in some private dream.

The trick about making a deal with Sinclair or Doheny on any of the
government oil reserves was that, if a private operator were given the right
to drill on navy reserves, as some private operators had been permitted to do
on a limited basis in the past, he would have to pay a royalty to the
government. The royalty payment would go directly to the Treasury. In this
way, however, the navy got nothing out of its oilso the navy opposed any
deals on oil, saying that they were harmful to the national security.

Fall's stroke of genius was to figure a way to get the navy on his side. The
navy, Fall realized, did not have as much oil as it thought it should have
already pumped out of the ground and ready for use in storage tanks. Fall's
idea was simple: private operators

[CTRL] [20] Loud and Clear


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an excerpt from:
Loud and Clear
Lake Headly and William Hoffman©1990
Henry Holt and Company
115 W. 18th St.
New York, NY 10011
ISBN 0-8050-1138-2
272 pps  out-of-print/one edition
--[20]--

20

Convictions Overturned!

"Lake, have you heard?" It was February 25, 1980, about 2 P.m., and the voice
on the other end of the line belonged to Max's wife, Barbara.

"Heard what?" I feared something might have happened to one of the Dunlap
children, an auto accident perhaps.

"Oh, Lake, I'm so happy. It came over the radio, and Murray Miller just
confirmed. The supreme court overturned the convictions. There will be new
trials."

"Hooray! That's great news, Barbara."

"The kids and Max's mother are coming over. Will you and Terri drop by?"

"We're on our way."

I hung up and stared at Terri.

"Well?" she asked. "Where are we going?"

My face was wreathed in a smile as bright as the Arizona sun, the dawn after
a long night of storm and near-tragedy.

"Come on, Lake, don't tease me with that cat-who-ate-the-canary grin."

"Is your camera loaded? You're about to have a once-in-a-lifetime photo
opportunity."

"For Pete's sake, tell me what happened."

"The supreme court overturned the convictions."

"All right!" she shrieked with joy.

"There will be new trials," I said.

"Where Schafer gets laughed out of court."

"You bet!"

I tried to call Devereux, another who owned a big role in this triumph, but
couldn't reach him. He would find out soon enough. So would all of Arizona.

Terri and I chattered happily on the fifty-block ride to Max's house. "Do you
know the reason the supreme court used to overturn?" she asked.

"Barbara didn't say. Maybe those justices read the Progress. It took long
enough," I said, suddenly bitter, thinking of the more than two years Max and
Jim spent eying the door to the gas chamber. But today wasn't the time for
negatives.

"Savor the moment, Terri Lee," I said. "This is a big one. Not many turn out
like this." I reached over and pulled her closer.

At Max's home I glowed all over. Six of the seven Dunlap children were there,
including the fourteen-year-old twin boys, and I figured the missing
daughter, Susan, twenty-five, was probably on the way from her Flagstaff home.

The children hugged one another, and us. Here I knew were memories to
treasure a lifetime: the heartfelt "if it hadn't been for you" and "you're a
wonderful man" and plenty of "God bless you, Lake."

Tears of relief and happiness flowed unashamedly at Max's home, and a lump
clogged my throat. Barbara Dunlap looked like a woman just given a ticket to
heaven.

The doorbell rang. "That will be Max's mother," Barbara said. "Lake, she
wants to see you. Why don't you answer the door?"

When I did, seventy-seven-year-old Elizabeth Dunlap gave me a big hug. "This
is a wonderful day," she said through tears. "The happiest day of my life."

Terri Lee and I stayed perhaps forty-five minutes. Shortly afterward I
reached Devereux, who took my earlier negative feeling a step further: "I
don't see why everyone's so happy; this should have happened a long time ago."

"Do you know the details of the court's decision?" I asked.

"It was unanimous. Five to zero. They ruled that the defendants'
constitutional rights were violated when Adamson was allowed to plead the
Fifth Amendment and not answer certain questions during the trial."

"Well, that's one hook they could use. I can think of a hundred others, right
at the top of the list being that Max and Jim are innocent. So what's this
about new trials?"

"It's not clear if they'll be tried separately or together. First there's a
period allowed for rehearing or continuance motions. Then the trial or trials
must be scheduled within sixty days, or the charges dropped."

"I say they'll drop the charges. I'd love new trials, and Dunlap and Robison
would, too. They want their names cleared in a court of law."

"I know they do."

"Has Schafer made any comment?"

"Yeah. Can you believe that guy? He said the decisions didn't surprise him.
He claimed that at the supreme court stage it's a fifty-fifty shot this will
happen."

"He said fifty-fifty?"

"Exact quote."

"Jesus Christ. More like one in a thousand, I'd say. But," I said, joking,
"maybe with him it is fifty-fifty, if he handles all his homicides like he
did this one. What did he say about new trials?"

"He's going for them."

"Good. He'll get blown away in a retrial."

There were plenty of kudos to go around in the heady days following the
overturn of the convictions. David Fraser, a bellwether of the Dunlap
Committee, at first much maligned and alone in questioning and attacking the
trial court verdict, issued a statement to the press:

"We accomplished the three things we set out to do to this point-.'

"We changed the atmosphere of the community regarding the Bolles murder and
the complicity in it of Max Dunlap. The Scottsdale Daily Progress was a key
to that effort.

"We raised the money for a first-class private investiga

[CTRL] [9] The Ohio Gang


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An excerpt from:
The Ohio Gang
Charles L. Mee, Jr.©1981
M. Evans and Company, Inc.
216 East 49th Street
New York, New York 10017
ISBN 0-87131-340-5
218 pps  out-of-print/one edition
--[9]--

XXV.

The King of the Bootleggers

GEORGE REMUS HAD grown up on the northwest side of Chicago where, when his
father was taken ill, he went to work at the age of fourteen for an uncle who
owned a drugstore. George was a stocky, muscular boy, a fast talker who spoke
with a trace of a German accent and who tended to use words that were a
little longer than he could comfortably pronounce or smoothly work into his
sentences. He was a bright boy, though, and within five years he had managed
to buy his uncle's drugstore. During the next five years he bought a second
drugstore, acquired a pharmacist's license, an optometrist's certificate, had
an affair with a customer, married her, had a child with her, attended night
school, and became a lawyer. By 1920, he was making $50,000 a year as a
criminal lawyer, having an affair with a young divorcee named Imogene who
worked in his office, and looking around for something else to do.

Several of his clients, taking advantage of the laws that had been passed
recently in Congress, were bootleggers, and Remus figured that if they were
smart enough to make small fortunes, then he was smart enough to make a big
fortune. Nor did Remus have any moral objections to alcohol or to getting
around a law he considered foolish, although he was himself a teetotaler.

Remus understood the law, and he understood the drugstore business; so he
understood at once how to obey the law to the letter in buying and selling
liquor for medicinal purposes. He also saw that a number of slow-witted
distillery owners did not understand how to get around the Prohibition laws,
and that he could buy their distilleries at bargain prices. He would then be
both seller and buyer.

"He had calculated," according to Thomas Coffey, "that 80 percent of the
bonded whiskey in the United States was stored in government-controlled
warehouses within three hundred miles" of Cincinnati. And so he divorced his
wife, married Imogene, and moved with Imogene and her daughter by a previous
marriage to Cincinnati. He was wild about Imogene, and she was in love with
him. They worked together in their new business, and they made money faster
than they could properly keep track of it. Remus had saved up $100,000, and
he put $10,000 down on a distillery and deposited the rest in the Lincoln
National Bank, to impress the bankers with his resources. Within four months,
with bank financing, he was in the drug business, had formed a few
corporations to receive the liquor his distilleries would sell; had bought a
ten-acre estate, was negotiating for the purchase of several more
distilleries, and had invited forty-four men to his office one dayincluding
politicians, Prohibition agents, and federal marshalsand had given each of
them an average of $1,000 as an introduction to his friendship.

By the end of the year, he owned stills in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana. He
had hundreds of employees, still workers, truck drivers, armed guards for his
trucks, people to manage a bottling works and storage facility at Death
Valley Farm, northwest of Cincinnati. He was in a business whose bookkeeping
was necessarily so sketchy that he had to keep track of the operation in his
head, and the business was expanding so rapidly that he could only estimate
the total volume. In his first year, he moved perhaps three-quarters of a
million gallons of liquor. Altogether, he was embarked on an enterprise that
would gross something on the order of $50 million.

He bought some of his permits from Jess Smith, meeting Jess from time to
timeat the Deschler Hotel in Columbus, at the Commodore or the Plaza in New
York, at the Claypool in Indianapolis. He could not remember just how many
permits he got from Jess, but he figured Jess must have given him permits for
at least 250,000 cases, paid for on a sliding scale of $1.50 to $2.50 per
case, roughly $500,000 at a minimum.

Remus made only one mistake. Impatient with all the government red tape, he
went ahead and released some liquor from his warehouses without benefit of
permits. Realizing that he was risking a different sort of trouble for this
activity, and for general purposes of protection, he made another deal with
Jess Smithentirely apart from his payments for permits. For occasional
payments of $50,000, which added up over a period of time to an additional
$250,000 or $300,000, Remus bought immunity from prosecution. He might be
bothered by a naive Prohibition agent from time to time, but he need not
worry. If a charge led to an indictment, the fix was in. Remus hadn't a worry
in the world.

pps. 145-147
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XXVI.

Bribery and Corruption and Sex and Suicide

CHARLIE FORBES HAD met Harding in 1915, in Hawaii, where Forbes was
overseeing the construction of the Pearl Harbor naval base and Harding

[CTRL] [4] The Treason of the Senate


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an excerpt from:
The Treason of the Senate
David Graham Phillips
academic reprints
p.o. box 3003
Stanford, California
Cosmopolitian Magazine
Vol. XL - March, 1906 - No.5
--[4]--

CHAPTER 4

Chief Spokesman of "The Merger"

WE have now seen the Aldrich-Gorman "merger" of the two party machines, and
what sort of men Aldrich and Gorman are, and how they got their power. We
have seen how, now by legislation and now by preventing or emasculating
legislation, this "merger" diverts to its master, "the interests," more and
more of the earnings and savings of the American people. We have seen that
the "merger," with the Senate as its citadel, does the most, and most
important, of this traitorous work in secrecy through a cunningly contrived
system of committees, operated by chairmen who are stanch and skillful
servants of "the interests." We have seen that, whenever it becomes necessary
to complete the work in the open, the "merger" arrays a secure majority,
usually made up of senators from both parties, to vote down the "hasty and
ill-considered" measure of the people or to pass the "safe and sane" measure
of "the interests."

The open part of the treason is, of course, preceded by a debate to fool the
people. The "merger" senators who are to vote for it must explain, with
specious and learned eloquence, how public-spirited they are and how
patriotic is their action; the "merger" senators who are assigned or let off
to join the opposing minority must help their fellow-conspirators of the
majority by extolling their honor and purity of motive, while deploring that
prejudice should so blind them. And the galleries are thrilled; and the
honest senators sit glumly silent, trying to keep down the gorge and longing
for the courage to transgress "senatorial courtesy" and defy "the interests"
by plain, honest speech.

For its dexterous and delicate senatorial floor-work the "merger" has many
eloquent and adroit orators and debaters, all of them men whom the powerful
press of "the interests" has built into distinguished and admired public
figures. The head spokesman of the "merger" is John C. Spooner of Wisconsin.

Many of our foremost newspapers, Republican, Democratic, and independent,
have been assuring us for the past few years that Spooner is a great
statesman, an honor to his state, his country, and his era. But they have
cited no acts of signal or even of modest public service in the one direction
in which a statesman could serve the peoplein correcting conditions that
have built up a plutocracy in a single generation, that have reduced the
average American family's income to a scant six hundred dollars a year, and
have driven our little children by the hundreds of thousands to hard labor in
mines and factories. Now if you take all the acts of the life of the very
worst man that ever lived, you find that most of them were either innocuous
or positively good. To get the character and the influence of the man, you
must take his crucial acts. If you take all the acts of the Senate at any one
session, you find that most of them, almost all of them, were harmless
enough; to get at the reality of the Senate, you must take its crucial
acts-what it does in the great crises between the people and their enemy,
plunderer and oppressor, "the interests." Spooner is all right when busy
about purely foreign affairs. But the Spooner that concerns the American
people, the Spooner that interests us here, is the Spooner of the crisis.

He is now sixty-three years old. After a brief nominal war service, he
entered public life at the age of twenty-two, as secretary to Governor
Fairchild of Wisconsin. He has therefore been a public man forty-one years.
We cannot, need not, rehearse the whole record here. Typical acts at crucial
times will be enough.

Early Connection with "The Interests

To begin with his first appearance in public life: Wisconsin was then
dominated by two bands of thieves engaged in robbing the people of vast areas
of valuable agricultural, timber, and mineral public lands. One of these
bands was in control of what afterwards became the "Omaha" railway system,
the other of the Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul. The United States had
conditionally given to Wisconsin certain large tracts, larger than several
states, to be granted to companies that would agree to build and would build
railways. The St. Croix and Lake Superior Company, a possession of the Omaha
gang, had conditionally got one of these conditional grants; but it had never
built afoot of railway. The Omaha problem was how to keep this land without
doing anything to earn it. "Cush" Davis, afterwards a senator from Minnesota,
and our Spooner, then a poor young lawyer working for the West Wisconsin
Railroad, later a branch of the Omaha, got from the United States Circuit
Court a ruling that

"Such lands do not, ipso facto, revert to the United States by mere failure
to build the road within the time specified by Congress; to effect the
forfeitur

[CTRL] [14] Other Altars


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an excerpt from:
Other Altars - Roots and Realities of Cultic and Satanic Ritual Abuse and
Multiple Personality Disorder
Craig Lockwood©1993
CompCare Publishers
3850 Annapolis Lane, Suite 100
Minneapolis, MN 55441
612.559.4800/800.328.3330
ISBN 0-89638-363-6
255+pps  out-of-print/one edition.
-
A very interesting and excellent book.
Om
K
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Part III

Slouching Toward
The Millennium

"More important than science is the decent, secular, democratic social
structure that underlies it and makes science possible. The real danger is
that this could be undone by a millenarian movement which in effect organizes
a political alliance between the occult minority, some disadvantaged classes,
and some ambitious elites. It has happened before."
-D. L. O'Keefe, 1982

=

Chapter 15

Reassembling The Adversary: Establishing The Occult

"Unorthodox ideas are powerful forces to move men: indeed
Particularly powerful the more unorthodox they are.
-James Webb, 1976

England and Scotland repealed witchcraft statutes in 1736. le Seen as
superstition, belief in witches became obsolete against a background of the
Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution's scientific, social, and
economic progress.

Progress, however, meant paying a price. Reason and its companion, science,
idealized as the ultimate answer to humanity's problems, had superseded
religion.

Swift changes in Western society, according to James Webb's two-volume
scholarly study, The Occult Underground and The Occult Establishment,
engendered fear in those social classes that might profit-as well as in those
liable to lose-by such far-reaching economic and societal alterations.

Sir Isaac Newton's physics radically altered the course of late seventeenth-
and early eighteenth-century European culture. Demonstrable mechanistic
relationships between chemicals, energy, and matter could be shown in
experiment time after time. Objectivity could be quantified.[1]

Standardized scientific methodologies and systems of classification and
measurement allowed for wider access to information. With the invention of
the chronometer, latitude and longitude could be precisely calculated,
assuring life; and timesaving refinements in navigation.

Science, in a few decades, had introduced a level of practical certainty that
made magic and religion seem far less important to the Western mind.

Charles Darwin's Origin of Species, published in 1860, not only restructured
biological scientific thinking and discourse, but provided Establishment
intellectuals with a method of formulating new social concepts as well.

Social Darwinists justified Europe's imperial economic policies by invoking
"survival of the fittest," and not without some reason. Compared to the
wonders of Western technology, industry, medicine, psychology, and scientific
scholarship, the rest of the world seemed little more than a collection of
mud huts, flies, and savages.

To late nineteenth-century Europeans, preliterate societies appeared as
living proof that "social evolution" could now be considered a scientific
fact.

During this time, a curious cultural dichotomy occurred. While believing in
witches meant being branded a superstitious rustic, people in the elite
circles of Vienna, Paris, London, Rome, and New York considered belief in
"the occult" fashion, able. Attending Spiritualist seances or becoming a
Theosophist were marks of an enlightened upper- middle-class intellect. Being
superstitious and fearing the supernatural were marks of unevolved
primitivism in the "lower races" and classes.

Establishing the Occult

Our human spiritual impulse, once a strong component of Western societies,
had been cast adrift. Replacing Christian orthodoxy was a "modern orthodoxy"
that firmly separated the metaphysical from everyday life.

Eliminating all mystical/spiritual elements from Western rationalist belief,
however, left a spiritual vacuum. A number of "irrational belief systems,"
based on what the historian James Webb terms "rejected knowledge," raced in
to fill the void.

Certain influential intellectual circles saw reason as the weapon of a
society based on individualism, capitalism, and pursuit of profit. In this
heady milieu, reformers and intellectuals of an idealistic social bent mixed
with scholarly occultists, exchanging ideas and forming a "Progressive
Underground."

Esoteric concepts such as "spiritual development" for individuals could be
extrapolated by the quasi-Darwinian social theorists either to a particular
race, or to humanity in general. These concepts would flourish in the
twentieth century as components of Revolutionary Socialism, Communism,
Fascism, and Nazism.

Most curious was the concurrence between occult belief systems, with
all-embracing world views typical of religious faith, and those Webb defines
as "demanded by totalitarian politics." Intense zeal and fervor, bordering on
the religious, mark the personalities and behaviors of "true believers" drawn

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [Re: [SC] Seahenge gives up its secrets]]

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"Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > What makes you think the ancient Britons were so foolish as to eat
> > > broccoli?  Do YOU?  Of course not!  Are YOU any smarter than the
> > > ancient Britons?  Of course not!  Is your implant misfiring?  Maybe.
> >
> > Egad...then...George H.W. Bush was actually revealing ancient esoteric
> > wisdom when he refused to eat broccoli? Is *this* what is taught to
> > initiates of Skull & Bones?
>
> Have you ever seen a 30th-degree [or higher] Mason eat broccoli,
> brussel sprouts or other noxious member of the Brassicaseae plant
> family?  Have you ever seen any senior Presidential aides consume
> such vegetables?  Of COURSE not!  That's one of the deepest Old
> Craft secrets - actually there's more, there's something they DO
> with the brassicas, not eating them, something else, something
> so monstrous that they NEVER reveal is - but if you infiltrate
> the next Bohemian Grove encampment, you might be able to capture
> it on video - if they don't catch and kill you first.  Beware.
>
But what do they...oh no! They DON'T...oh great Ghod, the thought is too much
to bear... Isn't it...horribly uncomfortable? Suppose you have hemorrhoids?

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

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From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

> ># ARE GAY MEN BETTER ENDOWED? MAYBE. Here is a study that says
> > homosexual men have larger genitalia than heterosexual men -
> > and it may be linked to prenatal hormone levels. "Penis envy"
> > takes a strange new twist - see
> > http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14199
>
> This would explain a lot of the popularity of homophobia, now
> wouldn't it?

Yah, some guys are insecure.  Racism may have a similar basis:

  "THE WILLIE ON THAT FAG/NIGGER IS BIGGER THAN MINE - KILL'IM!!!"

But that doesn't explain homophobic/racist women, unless they're
1) resentful over what's denied to them [sexual gratification by
a well-hung stud] because of biology or society; or 2) thoroughly
indoctrinated by homophobic/racist male-dominated attitude molders
AKA The Hidden Persuaders: or 3) brainwashed by CIA mind-control
rays and/or alien implants.  Or maybe hate-inducing chemicals in
the water supply?  But some of the most hateful people don't drink
water unless it's diluted with ethanol, so that can't be it.  Hmm,
this could use further study - can we get a grant?

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Son of Sam!

1999-07-14 Thread William Shannon






Please send as far and wide as possible.

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Son of Sam!

Exposes his connection to Satanic Church of Sacrifice!

Written by

J. P. Essene

Editor

11/15/97

David Berkowitz, aka Son of Sam, aka Son of Hope, was recently
interviewed for several shows in the New York area.

He claims on these shows, to now be a BORN AGAIN Christian!
Hence the new moniker of Son of Hope...

He also claims he was a member of the Process Church of Final
Judgment, during his SATANIC SACRIFICE killing spree.

Some say, that Charles Manson belonged to this group also.

Some like Berkowitz or Son of Sam, claim it is a Satanic cult.

BIZARRELY in these new documentaries, Berkowitz claims he didn't
do many of the shootings attributed to him.

In all, 13 are said to be victims of the .44 Caliber shooter,
who became known as The Son of Sam.

Many over the years have speculated, that police sketches from
20 years ago made from witnesses at Son of Sam (SOS) shootings,
show that there were many shooters, as Berkowitz now claims!

Berkowitz also claims that a SNUFF FILM exists of the last
shooting, in which he claims to have been only a lookout!

One of these new documentaries shown in the NYC area, also
featured an inmate from another prison, who backups the claims
of Berkowitz.

He names a prominent art dealer as a MOVER in the Satanic Cult,
that openly discussed the SNUFF Film of the last SOS victim with
him personally! Her name was Stacy Moskowitz.

Although some in the NYC police department believe Berkowitz had
accomplices, the documentary tried to discredit most of his
claims of a Satanic Cult connection.

It seems to unnerve many Christians in the NYC area, that
Berkowitz was only the TIP of the iceberg of a Satanic Cult that
did the SOS shootings. They would rather believe Berkowitz was a
lone nut case who targeted Long Hair Brunettes on Lovers Lanes
in the 70's, than a member of a Satanic group still on the loose
that enjoys to SACRIFICE to their GODS, as Berkowitz put it!

The Church of Sacrifice that Berkowitz claimed ORDERED him to
SACRIFICE or kill, has a website.

www.process.org.

The Church traces it's roots to the 60's and London. It's
founder was a Robert Moore, who changed his name to Robert de
Grimston.

Mr. Moore had a heavy connection to L. Ron Hubbard and
Scientology! His teachings, which are the foundation of the
Process Church, explained that Christ, Jehovah, Lucifer and
Satan were ONE Entity!

It had chapters in California when MANSON was in his heyday.

The Satanic Church of Sacrifice that Berkowitz claimed to be a
member of, is known as mentioned, as the Process Church of Final
Judgment, or simply The Process or The Process Chruch.

Process members have visited Charlie while he was in Jail.

Charlie, as you may know, claims to be Jesus.

Some of the writings of the Process Church claim Jesus is
LUCIFER! Perhaps, Charlie is Jesus incarnate

I've written many articles about someone else in the news, that
some feel is a DANGEROUS CULT leader.

He says the New Testament is completely false.

Or else, he says, Jesus did claim to be Lucifer by identifying
himself in Revelations as THE MORNING STAR! See Rev 22:16.

If you look up the definition of LUCIFER in any collegiate level
lexicon, you see MORNING STAR is his aka!

The DANGEROUS Cult leader to uninformed Christians, is named
Sollog. I personally know Sollog, and he is not a DANGEROUS Cult
leader. Some of the religious symbolism I note in this article,
came from my talks with Sollog, about Manson and Son of Sam.

Over the centuries, many heretics and Cults have said the same
thing, in regards to Jesus being Lucifer! Some of the Oldest
Christian writings known to exist, state that Jesus was the
serpent in the Garden of Eden!

You won't find these early Christian works in the standard New
Testament, but they are found in many books about other
Christian writings that the Church of Rome EXCLUDED from
standard Christian Doctrine in the fourth century!

You can find plenty examples of these works in Gnostic Books,
The OTHER BIBLE and The Nag Hammadi Libaray!

The Templars, who gave us the concept of our modern banking
system, (checques were first used by them), were BURNT at the
stake for saying the same thing in the early 14th Century.

The first thing Sollog pointed out to me about the Manson and
Son of Sam connection to Jesus and Satanism, is that MANSON is a
play or anagram of SON of MAN, which is the ONLY thing Jesus
calls himself in the N

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-14 Thread Stopforth, Jamie


 -Caveat Lector-

I must have missed it, I'll try to do the best to represent a Christian
perspective on something, although with so many differences with the
definition of "Christian" I'm sure I wouldn't be speaking for all of us.
Now, what's the question?

Jamie

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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>uh... is this directed at me?

No. I was talking to Herr Piper, but I'll be glad to hear ANY Christian
give an honest answer. I just don't much expect it to happen any time soon.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [AFIB] Defend Anti-Klan Activists In Michigan!

1999-07-14 Thread William Shannon






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   U R G E N T
A L E R T
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 DEFEND ANTI-KLAN ACTIVISTS IN MICHIGAN!
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  * * *

* ANN ARBOR ANTIRACIST DEFENSE CAMPAIGN *
c/o NWROC
 P.O. Box 1092 Penobscot Station
 Detroit, MI 48231
Tel: (313) 730-3577
  Web: http://www.umich.edu/~nwroc
  - Friday, 9 July 1999 -

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 STOP THE WITCHHUNT, No. 7
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   NO EVIDENCE - NO CASE!
   PRODUCE THE FENCE OR DROP THE CHARGES!
FIGHTING RACISM IS NOT A CRIME!

  * * *

 On July 16 the people of Ann Arbor will have an opportunity
to put an end to the disgraceful political witchhunt launched by
their city government one year ago against antiracists who
protested the May 9, 1998 Ku Klux Klan rally.

 On Friday, July 16 at 12 Noon, there will be an antiracist
picket at the courthouse in downtown Ann Arbor. At 1 PM, an
evidentiary hearing for ten antiracist defendants will take place
in Judge Ann Mattson's courtroom. In the wake of the acquittal of
Ryan Lang (see below) the Ann Arbor city government's witchhunt
against antiracists is beginning to fall apart.

 This hearing is an opportunity to deliver what would likely
be a decisive blow to the more than a year old witchhunt. Getting
the ten misdemeanor charges dismissed on the heels of the
powerful victory against the felony "riot" charge in Ryan's case
could well finish off these prosecutions altogether. All
antiracists and all who care about civil liberties should attend.

VICTORY!

 On Friday, June 4, just after 7 PM, an all-white six person
jury found 16-year-old antiracist Ryan Lang not guilty of "Riot"
and all other charges. The jury deliberated for less than an hour
after the three-day trial.

 The jury refused to even convict Ryan of the frivolous
lesser included misdemeanor "Disturbing the Peace." The verdict
drew a burst of applause from the crowded courtroom gallery as it
was read. One juror, immediately following the not guilty verdict
said: "I can put it in a nutshell for you. They had no evidence -
no evidence at all."

 In sharp contrast to the prosecution case (which made up for
having what jurors called "no evidence at all" with an effort as
relentless as it was ineffective to convict Ryan on the basis of
guilt-by-association) the defense case was truthful and
compelling. A long and diverse series of witnesses all testified
to the central proposition of the defense: there was no riot on
May 9, 1998.

 The ten defendants are some of the hundreds of antiracists
who protested the Ku Klux Klan rally in Ann Arbor on May 9, 1998.
They are accused of having damaged the chain link rental fence
erected by the city government as part of its $137,000 project to
protect and stage the KKK's rally. The charge is a misdemeanor
called "Malicious Destruction of Property Under $100."

 Given that the only physical evidence in these cases - the
chain link fence itself - was destroyed with the authorization of
the police, the evidentiary hearing to determine whether and if
so, when, how, where and by whom the fence was damaged should
prove very difficult for the prosecution. Among the defendants
are prominent antiracists and leaders of the movement to defend
affirmative action and the Defend Affirmative Action Party at the
University of Michigan.

NO EVIDENCE - NO RECORD

 The police and prosecutor's office are claiming that the
fence was damaged, but the police department never made any
assessment of the condition of the fenc

Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary

1999-07-14 Thread William Shannon


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In a message dated 7/14/99 1:53:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< I am surprised a Hilliary Defender would make such
 homophobe remarks >>

Am I a rabid Hillary defender Where did I earn this, could you cite
posts???
And I like lesbians...IF they're the cute, Penthouse type...

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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>uh... is this directed at me?

No. I was talking to Herr Piper, but I'll be glad to hear ANY Christian
give an honest answer. I just don't much expect it to happen any time soon.

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1


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># ARE GAY MEN BETTER ENDOWED? MAYBE. Here is a study that says homosexual
  men have larger genitalia than heterosexual men - and it may be linked
  to prenatal hormone levels. "Penis envy" takes a strange new twist - see
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14199


This would explain a lot of the popularity of homophobia, now wouldn't it?

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Re: [CTRL] A REAL conspiracy-For-profit health insurance.


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>The US also has a socialist medical system. It has just failed in
different ways than the Cuban system.

Explain please how the Cuban health care system has failed. It looks to me
like the best system on earth, so far, an overwhelming success.

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[CTRL] Middle Class Fools to Support NWO's Globocrat GWBush [ThermalAnomaly?]


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(Don't miss the "Jesse Jackson Factor"
about mid-way down.)

For all of us to live in Harmony,
our Constitution MUST be restored!

A CW2 QUIZ:

This is a picture of ...

A: Something I scrapped off my car's windshield
B: A painting the Nat. Endowment for the Arts Paid $1,000,000 for
C: One of those blobs that are always attacking the Starship Enterprise
D: A Nuevo Tijuana Bongo Party
http://www.civilwartwo.com/laburn.html



Bush's Plan

http://www.georgewbush.com/Message/proposals.html#Governor

A reading of his vague Proposals should convince
wage-earners of his support for trade plans
such as NAFTA, which is responsible for the loss
of so many of our Jobs.

Unless the Middle Class Voters wise up soon,
it's a "done deal" negoiated by the NWO Elite thugs.

Too bad Folks, looks like it's gonna be another
Vote for the Lesser Evil!;  at least in the
General.  Just another phase in the Media Lords
protection of their goal of " Kosherization" of America
and the international phase
"Planetary Kosherization"...
(See my Post, "US Assistance to Israel,
FY1949 - FY1999")


Am I sniffing glue to believe PJB (the only
'viable' candidate to attempt restoration of limited
government) will gain the necessary momentum in the Primaries?
Patrick J. Buchanan
Tax Plan:  http://www.gopatgo.org/000-c-taxes.html
http://www.gopatgo.org/

We'll see.

RELATED SITES you'all should visit:

NAFTA WATCH
Betcha didn't know about this little beauty.
Now how long do you think it will be before the
Europeans evacuate the S.W. and it's repopulated
by Mexicans and Civil War Two breaks out?

All Maquiladora trash dumped on the USA by a provision of NAFTA.
http://www.civilwartwo.com/trash.html

THE BORDER BABIES

These innocents pay the bill for Globalization.
The rewards are reaped by the Masters of the Universe in
the corporate board rooms in Manhattan.
All the Southwest is being re-engineered into a toxic,
third-world Maquiladora archipelago so that the already
super-wealthy Globocrats can buy a few more pointless luxuries.
The border strip in particular is the first slice of the empire
slated for abandonment. It is not tenable for habitation.
Sell out now and get out now while you can still get more
than a bucket of tacos for your house.
Maybe Civil War Two isn't the problem; maybe it's the answer.
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970526/society.the_border_b
a.html

Jesse Jackson Factor:

The Civil War Two web site proudly presents its coveted NWO Lawn Jockey
trophy to the Rev. Jesse Jackson for his labors as a tirelesss Judas Sheep
leading his people into the Globalist slaughterhouse. The good reverend will
also receive the usual cornucopia of tasty NWO dog yummies in the form of
corporate grants and permission to strut his stuff in front of every camera
on the global plantation while fawning white boy talking heads tremble at
his every utterance. No field hand, this dude.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/1999/jul/10/071000807.html

BANDITO WATCH

TexMex connection shipping stolen cars to Florida
http://www.americanpatrol.com/CRIME/FLORIDA/texmexcode37990711.html


MILESTONES OF Civil War Two:

Consider these "Milestone" events. We will pass many more such Milestones
marking our conversion into a multiethnic, third-world, authoritarian empire
before Civil War Two erupts. I invite you to watch them posted here at this
web site, one-by-one, until you hear the chattering of the assault rifles in
your own neighborhood
http://www.civilwartwo.com/miles.html


Patrick J. Buchanan
Tax Plan:  http://www.gopatgo.org/000-c-taxes.html
http://www.gopatgo.org/

God bless the Republic of the United States of America!

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

--- John Adams
1735-1826

The parasitic wannabes are fleeing the race
to ensure the election of the media lords
choice (makes no differene whether it's
algore or [race covenant] gwb)

Would be grateful if see fit to pass
this on to your concerned friends and associates.


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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed]

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>
> > Robin Hood was gay, preferred ``merrie men'' - study
> >
> > By Paul Majendie
>
> Five hundred years from now they're going to tell us Gen. George Patton was
> a weirdo as well.
>
Well...those pearl-handled revolvers... :^)

(I know, I know...they weren't pearl-handled, they were *ivory*-handled.
Patton is supposed to have said that the only person who'd wear pearl-handled
revolvers was a pimp for a New Orleans whorehouse. But still...! Patton *was*
a weirdo. Maybe not gay, but *strange*...)

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Re: [CTRL] Re Christie Todd Whitman

1999-07-14 Thread flw

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- >
> I am again sending this message, because for some reason or other, the
List
> is refusing to post it.  I would know if it had actually been posted,
because
> I would have received a copy of it addressed to me as a list member.  I
have
> never received such a posting.  I'm not sure just why the list is trying
to
> protect me from myself, but it is very irritating.  Perhaps that is the
> result desired.
>
> In a message dated 07/12/1999 10:09:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  At this point, I'd vote for ANYONE who would put Christie Whitman in as
>  a running mate. At least as VP, she can't screw over taxpayers quite as
>  badly as she's done in NJ >>
>
> Wanna bet?  Am I the only person in the United States of America who
would
> like to see Sheila Jackson Lee running for president?  The lady is
> intelligent, thoughtful and has an organized mind.  She appears to be
honest
> and aware of both her constituency and the rest of the nation.  I also
think
> she is honest.  Well, in reading over my first few sentences, I can see
I've
> answered my own question.  No one would consider those qualities as
> presidential material.  Prudy

Perhaps one of the few female politicians more silly and obnoxious then
Dame
Whitman is Aunt Thomisina Jackson Lee. Her step and fetchit defense of
Massa Kriminal Klinton was one of the more revolting TV spectacles one
was forced to endure during the Impeachment Fiasco.

How her poor Texan constitutents got stuck with that ex Brooklyn
Bigmouth \ Dimbulb must be a depresssing story.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800 A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up

1999-07-14 Thread MJ


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Hmmm...

What about a malfunctioned naval missile? (or a failed test exercise off
coastal waters?) I am sure the military has plenty of countermeasures and
procedural protocol to safeguard against this sort of thing, but couldnt it
be possible?

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Hilary A. Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800 A Missile
Expert Cries Cover-Up


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--
> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries
Cover-Up
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:37 AM
>
> From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> July 14 - 20, 1999
> The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up
> by robert davey
>
> The Flight 800 investigation, still at a loss to explain the tragedy, has
> the right stuff for a thrilling spy novel. Government flacks easily spin
> the lazy mainstream media to sedate the nervous public. Meanwhile, a band
> of military insiders heads for the Internet (http://twa800.com) and
reaches
> out to a few sympathetic independent journalists to convince readers that
> the truth is being hidden. For some reasonat this point only a fiction
> writer could provide onemany observers believe that the government is
> covering up the disaster's most likely explanation: it was a missile that
> three years ago this week, 10 miles south of Long Island, brought down
the
> Paris-bound 747, killing all 230 aboard.
>
> As the investigation's third anniversary passes, the mystery is
deepening.
> A few months ago, a retired army officer bearing impressive credentials
> approached the Voice as an intermediary for a missile expert with a story
> to tell. This expert is extremely fearful of losing his jobfor more than
> 20 years he's been a military engineer who specializes in infrared
missile
> technology. Assured of anonymity, he submitted to lengthy interviews by
> telephone and e-mail, detailing why he believes the investigation of TWA
> Flight 800 is a cover-up.
>
> After spending more than $40 million on the investigation, the FBI and
the
> National Transportation Safety Board have not found a definitive answer
for
> why the center fuel tank exploded. Yet they have ruled out a missile as
the
> cause. The NTSB believes an undetermined system flaw produced an
electrical
> spark that ignited jet fuel vapors in the tank.
>
> Prior to the official embrace of this mechanical explanation, the missile
> expert was among several scientists invited by FBI agents to explore the
> missile theory. He was made privy to evidence suggesting that TWA 800
could
> have been shot down, consisting of eyewitness accounts of a "flare-like
> object" shooting skyward moments before the plane exploded. Later he
> examined the debris in the Calverton hangar.
>
> The missile expert has also been in contact with military labs where, he
> says, the chemists have been unable to make jet fuel vapor explode as the
> NTSB says it did in TWA 800's center fuel tank. "The labs told the NTSB
> there's a big problemit can't happen." The NTSB wouldn't listen. He
says,
> "They were adamant that [the labs] had to find something."
>
> The evidence adds up, the missile expert believes, to a "70 percent
chance"
> that TWA 800 was downed by a shoulder-launched missile. Like others who
> have spoken to the Voice, the expert is exasperated with what he sees as
a
> corrupted investigation. Asked why he is speaking up now, he says, "I
> wanted someone to look at the truth, not whitewash it away."
>
> The missile expert says his unit was summoned by the FBI quite early in
the
> investigation and asked to review the eyewitness accounts and check out
the
> potential for a successful missile hit. "We talked to Ted Otto and Steve
> Bongardt"two agents assigned by FBI assistant director James Kallstrom
to
> examine the missile theory. "We picked missiles and ran computer
> simulations and shipped the data to Bongardt," the Voice source says. The
> data showed that virtually any postVietnam era shoulder-launched missile
> would have had the range and infrared seeker capability to reach the
plane
> at 13,700 feet, he says.
>
> But it was the eyewitness accounts that most impressed the expertthe
> investigation has compiled more than 100 eyewitness interviews reporting
a
> streak of light ending in a flash or explosion, apparently contradicting
> the official scenario. "When we discussed this with the FBI, they said
some
> of these people were very credible," he recalls.
>
> "The most compelling account was from a female witness, as I remember,
who
> reported something with a small flame rising from the ocean trailing a
> faint smoke trail. The flame was reported to have burned out after about
> six or seven seconds with a puff that was seen w

[CTRL] FW: Chiapas: Counterinsurgency & Economic "Development"

 -Caveat Lector-

From: Bill Koehnlein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 9:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Chiapas: Counterinsurgency & Economic "Development"

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chiapas95)
Subject: En;K.Appel/H.Cleaver,On Program in Las Canadas,Jul 13

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:25 -0700
From: Kerry Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Counterinsurgency Program in Las Canadas

Mayor Moises once told me a story about how government agencies and large
landowners had come to an indigenous community to assist them with their
"development".  These agents, or "partners" told the members of the community
that they would put up the money for improvements in farming procedures and
the community and these "investors" would then share the profits from
increased harvests down the road.

Well, the new partners put up some money and encouraged the community to buy
tractors and seed and fertilizers, etc.  For the first three or four years the
new partners kept telling the community members that they were making great
profits and they distributed the profits honestly and generously to the
community members and everything looked great.

But then, in the fifth year the new partners came and said, "Sorry.  We've
been making some accounting errors for the last four years.  We actually never
made any profits but instead have been losing money each year.  So you need to
now repay the moneys that we've given you over the last four years or we'll
have to take your lands."

Of course the community members, being as poor as they were, had not saved
any of the "profits" but had used them for food and for medicine.  And now,
for trusting the Mexican government and the rich, they lost their land.

The conditions for the Zapatista communities in Las Canadas may be marginal
but at least they are holding on to their land and they have the opportunity
to continue struggling for their rights.

It seems to me that the effect of these new PRI programs will be to ensure
that soon the residents of La Canadas will have neither land nor the
opportunity to struggle for their rights.

An interesting and illustrative footnote to all of this is that the former
Mexican government Coordinator of Dialogue Emilio Rabasa was recently in
Denver at the invitation of the US-Mexico Chamber of Commerce.  When a
businessperson at the luncheon asked about investment opportunities in
Chiapas, Mr. Rabasa specifically used the zone of Las Canadas as an example of
an area that offered "land, water, resources and cheap labor, everything that
a business could need for development opportunities".

Now, the question that occurs to me is, "How is the Mexican government going
to help the indigenous communities with their farming and coffee and cattle
activities and simultaneously sell the same lands to foreign investors?"

The answer is clear.  Under the so-called reforms to Article 27 which
privatize ejido and comunidad land, the current owners of the lands in Las
Canadas will lose their lands when they fail to repay these loans which
originate from the World Bank and then that businessperson from Denver and the
transnational corporations of International Paper and Exxon Oil and Boise
Cascade and others and, oh yes, all those members of the US-Mexico Chamber of
Commerce will be able to come in and take advantage of the land and the water
and the cheap labor which is a result of the final loss of the rights of the
indigenous peoples of Chiapas and the rest of Mexico.

Kerry Appel

"Harry M. Cleaver" wrote:

Folks:

Rarely has the counterinsurgency character of what is called "development"
been laid out so clearly in recent years than in this article below on the
Mexican government's plans to undermine the Zapatistas. Dressed up in a
language of improving peoples lives the govt program is, in fact, aimed at
destroying the autonomous fabric of indigenous culture. The monies being
provided by the World Bank will be channeled to pro-PRI forces, backed by
military and police force, which will use them to enrich themselves, widen the
income differentials within communities, draw a few opportunists to their
ranks and leave the rest worse off than before. The historical pattern of
"rural development" in capitalism is quite clear: the rise of a few wealthy,
farmers and agribusinesses and the marginalization, reduction to wage labor
and ultimatly, with mechanization, expulsion from the land into a fragmented
waged or informal labor force in the the cities. This is the history of the
US, of Europe, of every area of capitalist development. It was the plan for
Mexico inherent in Salinas' change of Art. 27 of the Mexican constitution to
privatize ejidal land. The only counterforce to
su

[CTRL] FW: Chiapas: Conuterinsurgency & Economic "Development"

 -Caveat Lector-

From: Bill Koehnlein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 9:04 AM
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chiapas95)
Subject: En;K.Appel/H.Cleaver,On Program in Las Canadas,Jul 13

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:25 -0700
From: Kerry Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Counterinsurgency Program in Las Canadas

Mayor Moises once told me a story about how government agencies and large
landowners had come to an indigenous community to assist them with their
"development".  These agents, or "partners" told the members of the community
that they would put up the money for improvements in farming procedures and
the community and these "investors" would then share the profits from
increased harvests down the road.

Well, the new partners put up some money and encouraged the community to buy
tractors and seed and fertilizers, etc.  For the first three or four years the
new partners kept telling the community members that they were making great
profits and they distributed the profits honestly and generously to the
community members and everything looked great.

But then, in the fifth year the new partners came and said, "Sorry.  We've
been making some accounting errors for the last four years.  We actually never
made any profits but instead have been losing money each year.  So you need to
now repay the moneys that we've given you over the last four years or we'll
have to take your lands."

Of course the community members, being as poor as they were, had not saved
any of the "profits" but had used them for food and for medicine.  And now,
for trusting the Mexican government and the rich, they lost their land.

The conditions for the Zapatista communities in Las Canadas may be marginal
but at least they are holding on to their land and they have the opportunity
to continue struggling for their rights.

It seems to me that the effect of these new PRI programs will be to ensure
that soon the residents of La Canadas will have neither land nor the
opportunity to struggle for their rights.

An interesting and illustrative footnote to all of this is that the former
Mexican government Coordinator of Dialogue Emilio Rabasa was recently in
Denver at the invitation of the US-Mexico Chamber of Commerce.  When a
businessperson at the luncheon asked about investment opportunities in
Chiapas, Mr. Rabasa specifically used the zone of Las Canadas as an example of
an area that offered "land, water, resources and cheap labor, everything that
a business could need for development opportunities".

Now, the question that occurs to me is, "How is the Mexican government going
to help the indigenous communities with their farming and coffee and cattle
activities and simultaneously sell the same lands to foreign investors?"

The answer is clear.  Under the so-called reforms to Article 27 which
privatize ejido and comunidad land, the current owners of the lands in Las
Canadas will lose their lands when they fail to repay these loans which
originate from the World Bank and then that businessperson from Denver and the
transnational corporations of International Paper and Exxon Oil and Boise
Cascade and others and, oh yes, all those members of the US-Mexico Chamber of
Commerce will be able to come in and take advantage of the land and the water
and the cheap labor which is a result of the final loss of the rights of the
indigenous peoples of Chiapas and the rest of Mexico.

Kerry Appel

"Harry M. Cleaver" wrote:

Folks:

Rarely has the counterinsurgency character of what is called "development"
been laid out so clearly in recent years than in this article below on the
Mexican government's plans to undermine the Zapatistas. Dressed up in a
language of improving peoples lives the govt program is, in fact, aimed at
destroying the autonomous fabric of indigenous culture. The monies being
provided by the World Bank will be channeled to pro-PRI forces, backed by
military and police force, which will use them to enrich themselves, widen the
income differentials within communities, draw a few opportunists to their
ranks and leave the rest worse off than before. The historical pattern of
"rural development" in capitalism is quite clear: the rise of a few wealthy,
farmers and agribusinesses and the marginalization, reduction to wage labor
and ultimatly, with mechanization, expulsion from the land into a fragmented
waged or informal labor force in the the cities. This is the history of the
US, of Europe, of every area of capitalist development. It was the plan for
Mexico inherent in Salinas' change of Art. 27 of the Mexican constitution to
privatize ejidal land. The only counterforce to
su

Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary

1999-07-14 Thread flw


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> Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything
> This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, has
about
> as much ground to stand on as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas on the issue of
> civil rights
> Who cares about Camille???
> Bill.

I do. She is a witty and insightful iconoclast.
I am surprised a Hilliary Defender would make such
homophobe remarksbut of course the Hilliaryites are
often sanctimonious hypocrites.
flw

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[CTRL] Marine who refused anthrax vaccine convicted of disobedience

1999-07-14 Thread Robert Paul


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http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news465.html

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2

1999-07-14 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990714b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No moons were blasted by meteors during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ IRAAP: INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS' ASSOCIATION for ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA.
  Be sure to check out the following items in the news archives:
  FURBY SUICIDE - Furbies Check Out en masse
  THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF COVER-UP
  And their latest e-newspaper: The IRAAP Messenger
  http://www.albany.net/~rwcecot/iraap/home.htm

: Do you welcome mass suicides of Furbys? Who organized this doomsday cult?
Do you have guidelines for coverups, debunking, agitprop, disinfo, orgasms?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Paralysis 'cure' promised. A treatment for people paralysed by spinal cord
  injuries could be available in about a decade, says a leading scientist.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_394000/394454.stm

@ Links: U.Massachusetts Medical Centre http://www.ummed.edu/
@ Cure Paralysis http://www.cureparalysis.org/
@ US Spinal Cord Injury Association Factsheets:
  http://www.spinalcord.org/resource/Factsheets/Factsheets.htm

: Would you rather be: paralyzed; 'cured' in your old body; transplanted in-
to a new human body; turned into a CyBorg; spiritized, transcending the mere
material plane; abducted by aliens for experimentation; fed to crocodiles??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dr. Robot, Report to the OR. A new heart surgery procedure using remote-
  controlled robotics could help heart surgery patients to heal faster and
  feel less pain. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20711.html

@ Links: East Carolina University School of Medicine http://www.ecu.edu/
@ Intuitive Surgical http://www.intuitivesurgical.com/
@ Computer Motion http://www.computermotion.com/
@ Ohio State University Medical Center. http://www.osumedcenter.edu/

: Do you trust robots? Would a heartless heart surgeon emphasize with you?
Would you rather be sculpted by macro- or nano-robots? Does prayer heal??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Cigarettes 'engineered' for addiction. Tobacco manufacturers have been
  accused of adding substances to cigarets to increase their addictiveness.
  Fiendish: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_393000/393075.stm

@ Links: Imperial Cancer Research Fund: http://www.icnet.uk/
@ Additives in Tobacco: http://www.ash.org.uk/papers/additives.html
@ Action on Smoking and Health: http://www.ash.org.uk/
@ Tobacco Manufacturers' Association: http://www.the-tma.org.uk/

: Why are crop circles never found in tobacco fields? Do nicotine druglords
collaborate with aliens to engineer their toxins? Are you addicted? Happily?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Cracking on the Rise. The rate at which crackers broke into corporate
  networks nearly doubled last year, a new survey finds. Not surprisingly,
  e-commerce companies are the top victims. Go where the money is, eh?
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/20704.html

# FBI Warns of Crypto Danger. US law enforcers try to halt legislation that
  would allow US companies to export encryption. The House is sympathetic,
  but they've lined up squarely on the side of tech companies. Money again.
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20714.html

: Are uncrackable crypto, uncrackable systems, possible? If hackers crack
corporate systems faster than FBI cracks commercial crypto, who'd you hire?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# China testing stealth ship - ready to sneak up on Taiwan:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560271878-c96
# Smithsonian Air/Space Museum head dies in motoglider crash:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560277408-c52
# Greek Orthodox church delays ruling - won't sack US Archbishop yet:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560272458-a55

# 'Web Seance' Summons Art - "I can feel the power in me!"
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/20726.html
# UN Proposes Global Email Tax - fund Net development in 3rd world:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20705.html
# Obesity and blue-collar work associated with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome:
  http://cnn.com/HEALTH/9907/13/carpal.tunnel/index.html

# Y2K Computer Viruses: http://www.csis.org/html/y2kw9.html
# FIRST Y2K SUICIDE. It's the 1st real-live - make that real-dead - casualty
  of the glitch. http://www.y2kculture.com/reactions/19990712.suicide.html
# US DoD says it's Y2K-OK - except maybe for logistics, personnel, the
  mundane: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20723.html

# Son of Sam! Exposes his connection to Satanic Church of Sacrifice!
  http://www.theeunderground.net/Features/features131sonofsam.shtml
# McVeigh moved to federal death row - will sweat it out for decades:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560275954-50a
# Ala. school prayer ruling thrown

[CTRL] Bradley Looks to Democrat Activists

1999-07-14 Thread Tenorlove


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.c The Associated Press
By LAURENCE ARNOLD
WASHINGTON (AP) - In his quest for the White House, Bill Bradley is
drawing on a network of young Democratic activists he helped train
during an eight-year affiliation with an unorthodox political action
committee.
Bradley spent a week each summer working with college graduates who
aspired to be Democratic activists. More than 200 participants in the
program, funded by the Participation 2000 PAC, are now scattered
throughout the country, many in Democratic politics, many loyal to
Bradley as he seeks the Democratic  presidential nomination.
Some have joined Bradley's campaign. Others are considering it. Still
others, by virtue of their posts in the Democratic Party, are in
position to generate support for the former New Jersey senator.
Participation 2000's potential value is not lost on the campaign.
"We saved a lot of time and energy by being able to turn to this group
of people who had a ton of enthusiastic loyalty to him," Bradley
campaign spokesman Eric Hauser said.
Suzy Pollack, a trainee in 1996, now works at the White House Project,
which advocates election of a female president within the next decade.
She has contributed to Bradley's campaign and said she would work for
him if asked.
"The senator took a lot of time to talk to us about ethics in politics,
and integrity, and the big picture of what we're about," Pollack said
about her Participation 2000 experience.
Political action committees raise money for politicians or parties,
with
individual donations limited to $5,000 per year rather than the $1,000
limit for individual donations directly to candidates. Though legally a
PAC, Participation 2000 does not act like traditional ones.
Although it raises money, it does not donate to candidates. Instead, it
holds seven-day campaign training programs in Washington each July,
bringing together about two dozen recent college graduates with
Democratic office holders like Bradley, campaign consultants, labor
leaders and others.
The trainees, unpaid except for a $500 stipend from the PAC, are
assigned in August to help Democratic campaigns throughout the country.
After election day, they return to Washington to discuss their
experiences with Bradley and others.
Brian Selander attended Participation 2000 last July. In August, the
PAC
dispatched him to New Hampshire to work on Jean Shaheen's successful
gubernatorial campaign. Armed with knowledge about the politically
important state, Selander now works for Bradley in New Hampshire, where
the former New Jersey senator hopes to pull off a domino-tipping upset
in the nation's first primary.
Danielle Washington, a 1997 graduate, is events coordinator for Emily's
List, which raises funds for female candidates who support abortion
rights. "I'm  very loyal to Bradley for helping me get my start in my
career, she said.
Neal Kwatra, a 1996 trainee, said Participation 2000 gives Bradley "an
untapped corps of people who are going to be doing whatever they can to
help his candidacy." He now works in Connecticut for Local 217 of the
Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees Union.
At least a dozen Participation 2000 alumni now work for Bradley's
campaign. Tony Wyche, class of 1992, is Bradley's deputy campaign
spokesman. Joyce Gresko, also class of '92 and the PAC's former
executive director, is the campaign's finance coordinator.
Program alumni received a memo last month titled "Activating the P2
Volunteer Network Today!" It was from Sean Gagen, a former
Participation
2000 executive director who recently left the Missouri Democratic Party
to work for Bradley's campaign.
"The Bradley for President campaign needs your help!" Gagen wrote to
the PAC's alumni. "I know you are busy, but your participation in your
area of the country can make a big difference in many areas. I will be
comforted to know that we have a trained, politically knowledgeable
person to provide BB with assistance."
When Richard Celeste, then the governor of Ohio, created Participation
2000 in 1988, skeptics suspected he was training an army of supporters
who could help him run for president.
Celeste, now the U.S. ambassador to India, left office in 1990 after
two terms of governor and did not run for president. Bradley took
charge of the PAC in 1991.
"I did this for the same reason I did high school seminars and
`good-citizen days' and scholar-athlete days - as a way to get young
people involved in the process," Bradley said in an interview this
year.
Bradley severed links to the PAC when he became a presidential
candidate. Officially he was the PAC's "honorary co-chairman," first
with Celeste, then later with Rep. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., and former
Texas Gov. Ann Richards. The PAC's newest honorary co-leaders are Sens.
Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark.
Bradley has criticized the use of PACs by other presidential candidates
and has pledged to take no PAC money.
Participation 2000 raises money with the traditional PAC's $5,000

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-14 Thread Jeff Russo


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uh... is this directed at me? I just asked what made anal mice topical to this
list. And received a detailed answer.

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>>JON RAUCH, NATIONAL JOURNAL: Between 1976 and 1992, the proportion of
12th-graders who reported smoking one or more cigarettes in the past month
declined gradually but steadily, from almost 40 percent to under 30 percent.
In 1992, something happened. After years of progress, the trend reversed.
Since 1992, even as adult rates held stable or fell, smoking by 12th-graders
has risen by almost 10 percentage points (and smoking by younger adolescents
has also increased, though not as much). No one knows the reason.
Antismoking activists sometimes blame Joe Camel, but he came along in 1988.
I have what I think is at least an equally plausible theory: As antismoking
education graded into something more like antismoking hysteria, adolescents
stopped listening  Presumably, adolescents who are attracted to risk and
rebellion -- the ones who are most likely to smoke -- are also the least
likely to listen to adults who bluster about making America a land of
"tobacco-free kids." Or, worse still, they may listen, and then decide that
not being tobacco-free is a good way to show that they aren't kids.<<

Will they stop smoking if the Establishment starts telling them "Smoking is
good for you..."? But that's what Big Tobacco has been telling us all along.
Maybe what we need to do is turn the anti-smoking campaign over to teenagers,
the way Florida did. We adults may not like the resulting ads, but after all
they're not aimed at us...and they stand a better chance of working than ones
created by adults.

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[CTRL] "NAFTA MAN OF THE YEAR" Exclusive - Toronto Star


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http://www.americanpatrol.com/CRIME/RESENDEZ/resendez187kills990706.html

http://www.thestar.com:80/thestar/editorial/news/990706NEW01_FO-KILLER6.html

July 6, 1999

Exclusive - Toronto Star

187 deaths now linked to `Railway Killer'

Canadian tracking biggest serial killer in U.S. history

By Linda Diebel
Toronto Star Latin America Bureau

MEXICO CITY - The man sought as the U.S. ``Railway Killer'' is a suspect in
the slaying of 187 women in Juarez, Mexico, The Star has learned.
 NAFTA MAN OF THE YEAR



Special Investigator Suly Ponce confirmed yesterday the Chihuahua state
police are working with Canadian criminologist Candace Skrapec and the FBI
to investigate ``Railway Killer'' suspect Rafael Resendez-Ramirez - the
FBI's Public Enemy Number One - in connection with the unsolved Juarez
homicides.

``We've been working on that theory since last week,'' Ponce, who heads the
state police task force into the murders, said in an interview from Juarez.
``The case is advancing. There are some good leads.''

The investigation in Juarez throws a macabre new light on the potential
scope of the ``Railway Killer's'' crimes.

It raises the possibility that police could be tracking the biggest serial
killer in North American history.

The FBI put Resendez-Ramirez, 38, on its 10 Most Wanted List last month in
connection with at least eight homicides in three states. All were committed
in railroad communities.

The ``Railway Killer'' rides the rails like a hobo. All of his U.S. victims
were found near railway tracks, either in their homes or their cars.

The hunt for Resendez-Ramirez was recently extended into Canada.

The Star has also learned that Skrapec, who has been in Juarez for the past
month working with Chihuahua police, spent last week at FBI headquarters in
Quantico, Va.

She is helping the bureau analyze links between the ``Railway Killer'' and
the Juarez homicides, which began in 1993.

Skrapec, 47, who teaches at California State University in Fresno, gave up
her summer to assist Chihuahua police at the special invitation of a top
state official.

Born in Calgary and a former teacher at the University of Windsor, Skrapec
is one of the world's best-known criminologists, having made her reputation
by profiling New York City's ``Zodiac killer'' for the NYPD.

A Mexican national from Puebla, near Mexico City, Resendez-Ramirez has been
charged with a June 15 double slaying in the southern Illinois town of
Gorham, and is wanted for questioning in connection with at least six other
homicides in Texas and Kentucky dating back to 1997.

Juarez investigators won't discuss their investigation, and Skrapec is not
available for interviews.

There appear to be similarities between the brutal U.S. killings and the
particularly grotesque way in which many of the Juarez victims met their
deaths.

American media reports describe teeth marks on some of the U.S. victims and
police say some were beaten to death in a particularly sadistic manner, in
some cases with their heads bashed in. There has reportedly been evidence of
sodomy, rape and torture.

In Juarez, many women were badly beaten and raped, with bite marks covering
their torsos.

In some cases, they'd had objects stuffed into their vaginas or anuses or
had their left breasts hacked off. Many had panties removed and, in these
cases, their undergarments were never found.

Victims of the ``railway killer'' have been both male and female in the U.S.

``We have been concerned for some time now that Resendez-Ramirez could be
involved in some of the murders here,'' Juarez social advocate Esther Chavez
Cano told The Star yesterday.

``We are especially concerned because he has lived in two barrios here over
recent years, and his mother lives in (the) Colonia Patria (section).''

Resendez-Ramirez lived with his mother in Juarez as well as on his own or
with women. He is believed to have worked at a meat packing plant.

Chavez Cano, who heads the Juarez women's crisis centre Casa Amiga
(Friendship House), single-handedly forced a serious police investigation of
the Juarez murders.

She has been tracking the deaths since 1993. She has written letters of
protest and organized marches after federal and state authorities
consistently treated the murders in an offhand manner, even suggesting the
victims invited their fate by wearing too much makeup or short skirts.

``It frightened us because we saw similarities (between the U.S. serial
killer and the Juarez murders),'' said Chavez Cano. ``My fear is that the
murderer does what he has time to do. If he has time to torture and rape his
victims (at his leisure), then that's what he does.''

Resendez-Ramirez has slipped through a massive manhunt, involving
authorities in federal, state and local law enforcement across the United
States.

His case has created a scandal in the U.S. because of the ease with which
the Mexican national passed through U.S. immigration at border checkpoints,
particularly at El Paso, Texa

[CTRL] [7] The Marcos Dynasty


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An excerpt from:
The Marcos Dynasty
Sterling Seagrave©1988
Harper & Row, Inc
ISBN 0-06-015815-8
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Eighteen

BLACK GOLD

FERDINAND DID NOT ABANDON the search for Yamashita's Gold after Robert Curtis
and Olof Jonsson fled his "Leber Group" in 1975. Far from it. Instead, he
went into partnership with various Yakuza bosses and the CIA, helping it
finance intrigues from Australia to Iran in return for CIA help airlifting
out the contents of his vaults. Hence the mysterious "AAA" markings on many
of the ingots, and the continuing involvement of wealthy right-wing
Australian brokers in Marcos gold deals for years afterward.

In 1982, when the CIA was forced to back away from a decade of meddling in
Australian politics, and to abandon its Nugan-Hand Bank conduit for black
money, Ferdinand had to find other ways to dispose of his gold. He seemed to
be in a particular hurry in 1983, for there was a flurry of huge gold deals
being offered outside CIA channels that year, with total sums so large that
they strain credibility to the breaking point.

How could anybody have 500 metric tons of World War II gold tucked away in
his basement? And 1,000 tons more in his beach cottage, and 500 tons more in
the basement of a warehouse down the street? Plus still more on four levels
beneath a nearby bank? In the end it does not matter really whether the gold
ever existed. It only matters that a lot of responsible people believed it
did, and acted accordingly, including senior officers of the CIA, and of the
National Security Council, and a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Believing in gold is like believing in God: the belief is the reality. And
once you begin to believe any of it, you are committed to believe it all.
Still, it is better to begin by taking a small step at a time.

Massive secret gold shipments did take place from the Philippines during the
twenty years Ferdinand was president. Of that, many sober people now are
satisfied. This gold did not originate in the Central Bank or from mines like
Benguet, although it was often presented as such. To be sure, gold was stolen
regularly from Benguet by its own employees. The original mines, situated in
the crater of an extinct volcano, were plagued by theft. Miners called "high
graders" smuggled out the best ore, removing 16 percent of gold production
each year (half a ton of gold) and selling it to a Chinese syndicate. The
same occurred at other mining companies in the islands.

By contrast, the secret gold shipments identified with President Marcos
involved thousands of metric tons, much of it in bars of exotic sizes marked
with peculiar symbols not normally used in the international gold trade,
including Japanese and Chinese markings, and the recurring "AAA." A lot of
people thought the reports of secret Marcos gold deals were nonsense or lies.
But if the bullion was imaginary, another of Ferdinand's lifelong
fabrications, he would hardly have invented the many shapes and sizes, and
the odd but consistent markings (which, in any case, unconnected people saw
and remarked upon), and he could not have imagined the difficulty he
encountered in recasting the ingots so they could be sold without raising too
many questions about their origins.

The quantities involved were far in excess of the Philippine government's
known bullion reserves. I say "known" because governments, like misers, have
taken pains to keep the true size of their reserves hidden. Most of the
Marcos gold seems to have been sold through Australian, American, Japanese,
and European intermediaries to oilrich Middle Eastern syndicates, using
devious methods designed to avoid agitating world gold prices. Other secret
deals were made directly to the gold pools in Zurich and London, where they
were referred to as "Marcos Black Eagle deals." Still other contracts appear
to have been arranged through the scandal-ridden Vatican Bank, headed by
American Bishop Paul Marcinckus. If these reports were true (and the
documentation is persuasive when seen all together), the only possible
explanation was that Ferdinand Marcos indeed had found Yamashita's Gold.

People had been searching for it since 1945, without the public disclosure of
any absolute confirmation that it existed. Or was there?

The most frequent reports made by CIA agents in Manila over the
years, it turns out, involved secret gold deals by President Marcos. The CIA
was keeping a close watch. In some instances the Agency was not just
watching, but helping. CIA sources stated that the Agency set up a conduit
for the transfer of very large sums of black money out of the Philippines to
Honolulu, in gold as well as currency, and was using this to obligate
Ferdinand and to keep an eye on his financial transactions. This was
confirmed publicly during sworn testimony in a Honolulu court case, and
privately by one of the men directly involved. Accord-ing to the testimony,
the Honolulu conduit was set up for the CIA by the American

[CTRL] Fwd: The Case for a Do-Nothing Congress






Many Americans think that a do-nothing Congress mired in gridlock prevents
it from conducting the people's business.

Think again.

A majoritarian faction of corporatist Republicans and Democrats have
aggressively combined to usher through many of corporate America's top
legislative priorities. And the Clinton White House, while threatening to
brandish its veto power, has instead mostly sought minor modifications to
the corporate dream bills.

Consider the following gifts bestowed on the nation's largest businesses
by the corporatist Congress:

* Y2K Immunity. Although it is fair to say that the public and businesses
have been widely aware of the eventual arrival of the year 2000  for
decades, many software designers failed to design products that will
adequately respond to this eventuality, and then failed to take timely
corrective action. Congress chose to give them special protections
nonetheless.

The Y2K immunity legislation would make it much harder for consumers and
small businesses that suffer from Y2K failures to be compensated, and
would also make it difficult to file class action lawsuits for Y2K harms
or injuries. Although President Clinton initially said he "strongly
opposed" the legislation, he has now agreed to a compromise measure that
closely resembles the earlier version he denounced.

The National Association of Manufacturers and other business lobbies made
Y2K immunity legislation a top priority -- as much for its precedential
value as because of the legislation's inherent importance to big
corporations. With the Y2K victory in hand, they will now look to chip
away at other citizen protections in the civil justice system. Next up: a
broad bill to undermine citizens' ability to file class action lawsuits.

* Financial Consolidation. Under the banner of "financial modernization,"
H.R. 10 would permit banks, investment companies and securities firms to
merge. Both houses have now passed H.R. 10; and the White House, now
threatening a veto over community reinvestment and other provisions, may
cut a deal to permit a slightly watered-down version to become law.

If enacted into law, H.R. 10 would likely generate a tidal wave of
financial industry mergers. The financial lobby would tighten its
political stranglehold on Washington. Giant conglomerates would lock in a
too-big-to-fail status, ensuring a future marked by bailouts of
mega-financial firms.

The mega-companies will invade consumer privacy by trading insurance, bank
and other personal data between affiliates, and then conducting intrusive
direct marketing schemes accordingly. The right to violate consumer
privacy is so essential to the financial goliaths that they threatened to
oppose H.R. 10 if it was amended to include minimal privacy protections.

* Modern Day Debtors' Prison. In a gift to the credit card industry, the
House of Representatives has passed misnamed "bankruptcy reform" that
would undermine one of the remaining fairness rules intended to benefit
the down and out. The Senate is poised to pass the bill soon. Consumer
advocates hold out hope for a White House veto.

The bankruptcy legislation would make it much harder to file for
bankruptcy; extend the period debtors were forced to stay in bankruptcy;
and make it harder for debtors to prioritize payments for vital items such
as a homes or food over credit card debt.

* NAFTA for Africa. The African Growth and Opportunity Act, a gold mine
for U.S. business, is scheduled for a quick vote in the House. If it
passes the House -- no certainty, thanks to public opposition -- it will
come up for consideration sometime thereafter in the Senate, where it will
face entrenched opposition. Should it pass both chambers, the White House
is eagerly awaiting a signing ceremony.

The NAFTA for Africa bill would grant very modest trade benefits to
African countries; but it would condition those benefits on African
countries opening their borders to imports and investments from U.S.
companies, privatizing government operations, protecting U.S. intellectual
property interests and following the prescriptions of the International
Monetary Fund (IMF). Illinois Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr. has
rightly said the bill is about Africa's "recolonization."

Gridlock comes in the 106th Congress only when an outraged public forces
issues of citizen concern onto the legislative agenda. Then the
corporatists are usually able to block even modest positive measures in
areas like a patients' bill of rights or campaign finance reform, but they
are less able to ram through the corporate wish list.

When the public enters a do-something mode, Congress reverts to a
do-nothing posture -- generally about the best that can be expected from
the current band of rogues.

 Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

___

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based
Multinational Monitor. They are co-aut

[CTRL] Teletubbies from Space

1999-07-14 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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Muppets From Space
By Stephen Whitty
NEWHOUSE NEWS SERVICE

July 13 -  Those little Teletubbies can sit around and wait to be outed,
but
not the Great Gonzo. When he comes out of the closet, it's by choice. So
these days he's saying it loud and proud: He's an extraterrestrial.

"I DIDN'T CHOOSE to be one," he explains to a sympathetic Kermit.
"I've always had alien tendencies."  And with that revelation, "Muppets
From
Space" is pretty much off on a goofy, good-humored trek through identity
crises, show-biz cliches and the timeless love of a pig for a frog. Of
course there are complications as Gonzo searches for acceptance. Prying TV
news crews soon descend on the sleepy Muppet mansion. So, too, do the nuts
and flakes of the nation's UFO cults. And before long there are some real
Men in Black who want to spirit Gonzo away and take a peek at his brain.

   Can the Muppets survive? Quelle question! Never underestimate the
power of a few well-placed karate kicks from an enraged pig. A better
question, though, is: How has the world of kids' movies survived so long
without them?

   Although the Muppets haven't been absent from the screen for very
long (their last appearance was in 1996), their last few films have been
half-hearted pastiches, parodies of old stories like "A Christmas Carol"
and
"Treasure Island." The jokes were beginning to get a little labored and
hinted at a creative team running out of steam.

   "Muppets From Space," however, returns the funny, fuzzy crowd to a
contemporary setting. It adds a few medium-level guest stars (Andie
MacDowell proves herself to be a very good sport) and throws in an armful
of
entertainment references (there are nods to everything from "Independence
Day" to "Dawson's Creek"). Although the usual original musical numbers have
been replaced by some well-worn '70s funk, the mood of the old "The Muppet
Movie" and "The Muppets Take Manhattan" is back

   The new "Muppets From Space" misses some of the surprising star
power
of those early pictures (it'd be more of a shock if people like F. Murray
Abraham and Ray Liotta weren't in this). It's also missing some of those
movies' wild punning and crazy wordplay. Still, director Tim Hill, a
veteran
of TV's Nickelodeon, keeps things moving, and the Muppets consistently
deliver.

   There are some surprises, too. Kermit predictably remains the
gee-whiz Jimmy Stewart of the bunch, and Miss Piggy its temperamental diva.
But who would have thought Gonzo would step into his first starring role
with such surprising ease, and that Rizzo the Rat might provide such solid
comic support? Or that newcomer Pepe the Prawn would so nearly steal the
show from both?

   Not moi. So let the older sibs go see "The Phantom Menace" for their
11th time this week, if they have to. Let the gullible middle-schoolers get
hyped into seeing "Wild, Wild West." Take the younger ones to "Muppets From
Space" instead. They'll have a much better time. And so will you.



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> Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 12:11 PM EDT
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Hmm. Is *this* what's behind the recent talk of adding Britain to NAFTA?

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Taiwan Sticks to Sovereignty Declaration -- Much to U.S. Chagrin

Summary:

Taiwan has refused to back down from President Lee Teng-hui's
declaration that the island was abandoning the "One China"
concept, despite economic, political, and military threats from
Beijing.  However, Taiwan has yet to face the likely threats from
the U.S., which is attempting to mend relations with Beijing and
so does not appreciate being put in the middle of a new crisis.

Analysis:

Taiwan has refused to back down from President Lee Teng-hui's
declaration that the island was abandoning the "One China"
concept.  Lee's abandonment of one ambiguous policy for a
slightly less ambiguous but much more confrontational one -- just
a step short of a declaration of Taiwan's independence -- has
drawn threats from mainland China and subdued but substantial
concern from the United States.  On July 13, Lee reiterated
Taiwan's new policy of national sovereignty. "The Republic of
China has always been a sovereign state, not a local government,"
Lee said to visiting Honduran Foreign Minister Roberto Flores
Bermudez.  And to emphasize Taiwan's newly declared sovereignty,
the Taiwanese Foreign Ministry issued a statement on July 13
proclaiming Taiwanese sovereignty over the Spratly Islands in the
South China Sea.  The statement condemned recent Philippine and
Malaysian activities on the islands and declared that the
Spratlys and the entire South China Sea belong to Taiwan
"legally, historically, geographically, or in reality."

Taiwan has apparently evaluated and accepted the potential
consequences of its declaration.  An official from Taiwan's
Industrial Development Bureau was quoted by Agence-France Presse
on July 13 as saying, "Taiwan should see its exports pummeled by
7.64 percent should the mainland authorities slap a trade
sanction" on Taiwanese exports to mainland China. However, this
would have the effect of reducing Taiwan's trade surplus with
China from $14.29 billion to $12.89 billion.  Evidently $1.4
billion is an acceptable cost.  And while both the Taiwan dollar
and the stock market fell July 13 in response to increased
tensions with China, the drops were not dramatic. The Taiwan
dollar closed at 32.275 against the U.S. dollar, from a closing
of 32.255 the previous day. The Taiwan stock market weighted
average fell 3.1 percent, following a 1.0 percent drop the
previous day.

Taiwan also appears confident, for the time being, that China
does not pose a military threat.  Hong Kong's Ming Pao daily
cited anonymous People's Liberation Army officers on July 13 as
stating that China is considering holding large-scale military
exercises in a show of force over Taiwan's decision to redefine
relations with China as "state-to-state."   However, Taiwanese
Defense Ministry spokesman Kung Fan-Ding responded, "There is no
sign that Chinese communist troops are preparing for large scale
war games. But the military are keeping a close watch on any
development."  The fact that the U.S. aircraft carriers Kitty
Hawk and Constellation are in or near the region can only bolster
Taiwan's confidence.

Finally, Taiwan holds to the notion that negotiations with the
mainland can continue, despite Beijing's threat that the
declaration of sovereignty could lead to a break in talks.
Taiwan Presidential Deputy Secretary General Lin Pi-Chao said
July 13 that Taiwan was still pushing for talks with Beijing,
despite a redefinition of the relationship between Taiwan and
China. According to Agence France Presse, Lin said, "We have
made preparations to push for political dialogue and drafted
several proposals based on Taiwan's new status declared by
President Lee. We are willing to adopt a more positive attitude
on the negotiation table if their reaction is practical and
rational." Lin added, "We definitely would not see a backstep in
cross-strait relations, and we hope Wang Daohan, chairman of the
Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait (ARATS), would
visit Taiwan as scheduled."

The United States, which has intervened in

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

1999-07-14 Thread ric carter


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SkeptiNews 990714a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Hey, SkeptiChat subscribers: let's see some responses, some discussion!!
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No stinking prisons were stormed to produce this bulletin on Bastille Day.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# ALIEN PEST CONTROL. The Prophecy Research Institute in California produces
  an audio tape for sale.  What's on it?  Nothing but a high pitched sound.
  The purpose, you ask? Sean Morton, founder of the Institute says it keeps
  away aliens since "they function on a relatively simple,three-level energy
  system, and this overloads their nervous systems".  Works fine, too. ###

: Are you bothered by infestations of pesky aliens? Are chemical repellents
smelly, costly, ineffective? Have you tried hissing? Does it drive them off?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# ARE GAY MEN BETTER ENDOWED? MAYBE. Here is a study that says homosexual
  men have larger genitalia than heterosexual men - and it may be linked
  to prenatal hormone levels. "Penis envy" takes a strange new twist - see
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14199

: Do you wish your penis was larger? Would you be willing to have been born
gay to achieve this goal? Is this evidence of a gay plot to rule the world?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ RODS: ALIEN CREATURES ON EARTH. A completely new "life-form" has been dis-
  covered on earth, unnoticed by the human eye yet all around us. Jose Esca-
  milla has been investigating the entity for years. On his website you will
  find enough photographic, videotaped, and scientific evidence to eliminate
  all doubt of their existence. http://www.roswellrods.com

: How many alien lifeforms are oozing around you right now that you haven't
paid attention to before? Do they breed frenetically? Are paperclips aliens?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Russian scientist's home raided. VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (AP) - Security goons
  raided the home and laboratory of a scientist who had been researching the
  dumping of radioactive waste in the Pacific Ocean by the Russian navy. The
  incident echoed cases against two other Russians who documented alleged
  environmental abuses by the navy and are now being prosecuted. Cops said
  Vladimir Soifer violated laws on handling classified documents and that
  his work "poses a threat to the Russian state and its military security."
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560272316-f6b

: Does your security involve ecocide? Is the Russian military collaborating
with Reptilioids to render Earth unfit for humanity, so the ETs can move in?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# New STAR WARS offends Mexican Catholics. MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Ethnic
  minorities in the U.S. are not the only ones miffed by the new "Star Wars"
  film. Mexican Roman Catholics are steamed too, with one church publication
  saying that "Phantom Menace," which opened just two weeks ago in Mexico,
  "parodies the Holy Scriptures" and promotes a "New Age culture" that good
  Catholics should oppose. The film's own version of a virgin birth seems to
  be the church's gravest concern, while it does not help that young Anakin
  Skywalker is likened to the savior and "The Force" seems like a science
  fiction rip-off of the Holy Spirit. Of course, Anakin later becomes the
  satanic Darth Vader: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990714/10/odd-starwars

: If the criticism is valid, is that an admission that Jesus = Satan? Do you
worship STAR WARS characters/theology? Is {JHWH} an ET? What alien invasion
does STAR WARS prepare us for? Is duct tape The Force? Is D.Vader studly??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ LEARNING THE TAROT - An On-Line Course. "The human mind has connections
  with realities beyond the physical plane. Slowly, science is discovering
  the truth that psychics have known for a long time. Discover the truth
  for yourself: learn the Tarot for free. This site has a full on-line book
  that will teach anyone how to discover the secrets of the past, present
  and future. http://www2.dgsys.com/%7ebunning/top.html

: If the future is predetermined, what good is it to learn what will happen,
since you can't alter What Is Written? Do you abandon yourself to Fate? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE HUNGER SITE. "Do your part to end hunger. All it takes is one click."
  Regarding the abduction phenomenon: "The ETs may be treating us no worse
  than we treat ourselves as a species. Perhaps if we respected ourselves,
  we could expect respect from others." Visit TheHungerSite once every day.
  Donate a few seconds of your time and you will feed another human. Use the
  time to think about why we are here. Think of it as a test. Accumulate as
  many points as possible, while you can. http://www.thehungersite.com/

: What can you achieve with wishful thinking? Are your prayers/wishes/dreams
answered/rewarded? Must

Re: [CTRL] [SC] I AM FROM THE MORMON PLANET KOLOB -Reply

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- Original Message -
From: R. Matt Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ric carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/13 10:37 am >
>> in alt.paranet.ufo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> I AM FROM KOLOB THE PLANET WHERE ELOHIEM LIVES WITH HIS GODESS WIVES,
>>> THE FATHER OF SATAN AND JESUS, THE PLACE WHERE THE COUNCIL OF GODS
>>> DECIDED ON THE FATE OF THE EARTH, THE SITE OF THE GREAT BATTLE
>>> BETWEEN SATAN AND JESUS, THE SPIRIT CHILDREN OF ELOHIEM WHO REMAINED
>>> NEUTRAL IN THIS BATTLE COME TO EARTH AS THE BLACK SKINNED RACE, TYPE
>>> IN KEYWORD 'KOLOB' OR  LAMANITES AND NEPHITES
>>
>> Well, isn't that *special*!!
>
>And your point?

1) Sanity need not be an impediment to conspiratorialists.
2) Correlate the above with evidence that NASA is dominated by
  Mormons, with groups espousing similar racialist statements,
  with suspicions that telepathic giant squids orchestrate much
  of human culture, and disquieting patterns emerge.
3) Deities are aliens. Aliens are deities. Humans are fodder.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself?


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- Original Message -
From: Amelia Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: Amelia Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > Note the part about 89% of journalists voting for Clinton.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >> The New Australian
> > >> Remember: 89 per cent of Washington journalists voted for Clinton
> > >> and everything he stands for, including the destruction of our
> > >> military. What America needs is a moral revival and the media is
> > >> a good place to start.
> >
> > Questions that come to mind: Where did that 89% statistic come from?
> > What percentage of EDITORS [gatekeepers], not REPORTERS [newsserfs]
> > "voted for Clinton and everything he stands for"?  Are "Clinton" and
> > "everything he stands for" identical?  Could some have voted for Bill
> > [I didn't] not because they liked "everything he stands for" but
> > because they somehow perceived some difference between the nearly-
> > identical platforms of Clinton-Bush [92] and Clinton-Dole [96]??

> That statistic may have come from the survey taken by MSNBC News.  I
> remember the survey but not the exact percentage.  That seems about
> right.

Sure, I remember that 'survey' too, but the other questions remain
unanswered.  That survey, and the NewOzzy piece, misconstrue power
relationships in media.  Line-workers don't make policy, managers
do.  I have a simple little quiz re: "Liberal" media:

Q: How do you become a journalist in the US?
A: An editor hires you.
Q: How do you become an editor in the US?
A: Senior management hires you.
Q: How do you become senior management in the US?
A: The owner(s) hire you.
Q: How many media corporations in the US are owned by Marxists?
A: (the answer is left as an exercise for the student)
Q: Who controls biases of US media - journalists, editors, or owners?
A: (the answer is left as an exercise for the student)
Q: What is the religion of for-profit corporations?
A: Money.
Q: What is the driving force behind media corporations?
A: Money.
Q: What will corporations do to make more money?
A: Anything they can get away with.

The logic is simple: If a perceived bias, if polarization of the
populace, will sell advertising space in any media, that medium
WILL present polarizing, biases productions.  If ad space can be
sold in productions about talking equines, alien invaders, cabals,
soft-core porn, conspiracies, vampire slayers, Elvis, or anything
else, such productions WILL be presented, with much fanfare.

Keep in mind that, for commercial media, their actual product is
the audience, not the production.  They sell their audience to their
advertisers.  When we consume TV, radio, periodicals, WE are the
product.  The content of the media is but a lure.  Every pundit and
politico before the public eye is a performer, a dancing bear, a
talking parrot who squawks to grab our attention for the next sales
pitch, the next chance to sell US to the advertisers.  When a media
outlet spouts an ideological line, it's because they have enough
of an audience to generate dividends for the shareholders.

So in presidential campaigns, the finalists have indistinguishable
political platforms, and the only way to induce candidates/parties
[advertisers] to plow MASSIVE amounts of cash into media biz, is to
produce presentations magnifying the minute distinctions between
Tweedledee and Tweedledum, to garner sufficient audiences [we, the
product] for the show.  Never let truth stand in the way of a good
story [that's showiz].  Misconstrue every possible detail.  Omit
every embarrassing contrary detail.  89% OF JOURNALISTS VOTED FOR
MARXIST CLINTON!!  But how many editors/owners did, and who controls
what journalists write, and is corporate-whore Dixiecrat Clinton any
more Marxist than was Reagan?  Hey, don't answer that, the readers/
viewers will get bored and switch channels and ad revenues will
drop and the shareholders will be pissed and I'll be pounding the
streets looking for another cushy job.  Keep the juices flowing.

Never underestimate the power of greed.

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[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800 A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up

1999-07-14 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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--
> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries
Cover-Up
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:37 AM
>
> From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> July 14 - 20, 1999
> The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up
> by robert davey
>
> The Flight 800 investigation, still at a loss to explain the tragedy, has
> the right stuff for a thrilling spy novel. Government flacks easily spin
> the lazy mainstream media to sedate the nervous public. Meanwhile, a band
> of military insiders heads for the Internet (http://twa800.com) and
reaches
> out to a few sympathetic independent journalists to convince readers that
> the truth is being hidden. For some reasonat this point only a fiction
> writer could provide onemany observers believe that the government is
> covering up the disaster's most likely explanation: it was a missile that
> three years ago this week, 10 miles south of Long Island, brought down
the
> Paris-bound 747, killing all 230 aboard.
>
> As the investigation's third anniversary passes, the mystery is
deepening.
> A few months ago, a retired army officer bearing impressive credentials
> approached the Voice as an intermediary for a missile expert with a story
> to tell. This expert is extremely fearful of losing his jobfor more than
> 20 years he's been a military engineer who specializes in infrared
missile
> technology. Assured of anonymity, he submitted to lengthy interviews by
> telephone and e-mail, detailing why he believes the investigation of TWA
> Flight 800 is a cover-up.
>
> After spending more than $40 million on the investigation, the FBI and
the
> National Transportation Safety Board have not found a definitive answer
for
> why the center fuel tank exploded. Yet they have ruled out a missile as
the
> cause. The NTSB believes an undetermined system flaw produced an
electrical
> spark that ignited jet fuel vapors in the tank.
>
> Prior to the official embrace of this mechanical explanation, the missile
> expert was among several scientists invited by FBI agents to explore the
> missile theory. He was made privy to evidence suggesting that TWA 800
could
> have been shot down, consisting of eyewitness accounts of a "flare-like
> object" shooting skyward moments before the plane exploded. Later he
> examined the debris in the Calverton hangar.
>
> The missile expert has also been in contact with military labs where, he
> says, the chemists have been unable to make jet fuel vapor explode as the
> NTSB says it did in TWA 800's center fuel tank. "The labs told the NTSB
> there's a big problemit can't happen." The NTSB wouldn't listen. He
says,
> "They were adamant that [the labs] had to find something."
>
> The evidence adds up, the missile expert believes, to a "70 percent
chance"
> that TWA 800 was downed by a shoulder-launched missile. Like others who
> have spoken to the Voice, the expert is exasperated with what he sees as
a
> corrupted investigation. Asked why he is speaking up now, he says, "I
> wanted someone to look at the truth, not whitewash it away."
>
> The missile expert says his unit was summoned by the FBI quite early in
the
> investigation and asked to review the eyewitness accounts and check out
the
> potential for a successful missile hit. "We talked to Ted Otto and Steve
> Bongardt"two agents assigned by FBI assistant director James Kallstrom
to
> examine the missile theory. "We picked missiles and ran computer
> simulations and shipped the data to Bongardt," the Voice source says. The
> data showed that virtually any postVietnam era shoulder-launched missile
> would have had the range and infrared seeker capability to reach the
plane
> at 13,700 feet, he says.
>
> But it was the eyewitness accounts that most impressed the expertthe
> investigation has compiled more than 100 eyewitness interviews reporting
a
> streak of light ending in a flash or explosion, apparently contradicting
> the official scenario. "When we discussed this with the FBI, they said
some
> of these people were very credible," he recalls.
>
> "The most compelling account was from a female witness, as I remember,
who
> reported something with a small flame rising from the ocean trailing a
> faint smoke trail. The flame was reported to have burned out after about
> six or seven seconds with a puff that was seen when it hit the aircraft
at
> about 10 seconds. I can tell you that this testimony, if the recounting
is
> accurate, is about as precise as you can get on what you would see from a
> shoulder-fired infrared SAM [surface-to-air missile]."
>
> The accounts were so persuasive, he says, that Otto and Bongardt arranged
a
> meeting in Washington, D.C., in late '96 to discuss them and other data.
A
> high-powered group convened around the tablethe CIA and other military
and
> intelligence agencies were represented but not the NTSB. "We took

Re: [CTRL] FW: [SonsofLiberty] "THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR'S ESTIMATE OF THE NEGRO

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 7/13/99 5:07:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The aspiration of men is to enjoy
>equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single
>man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours

 That is untrue and I place no value in these words no matter whom is said to
have spoke them.  And, other as an example of ignorance or puerilistic
propagnda, it has no place on this list.

Om
K

Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Sunday #1]

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"ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> # 200,000 Year Old Female Baby found in MOON Rocks! In 1969 Apollo 11 astro-
>   nauts brought back what appeared to be an aborted baby in a rock that was
>   found during their historic expedition. For 24 years, NASA kept the baby's
>   discovery secret. The story finally emerged when South African geologist
>   Dr. Richard Call showed newsmen the baby's preserved remains, telling the
>   reporters the shriveled fetus had been smuggled to him by a concerned NASA
>   lab technician. Dr. Call has spent the last 6 years studying fetus in his
>   laboratory. "We've been able to draw some stunning conclusions about the
>   moon, about the earth and - most importantly - about human evolution':
>   http://www.colinstevenson.free-online.co.uk/ufoets.htm
>
> : Are you highly evolved? Have you ever lived on Luna? Have you ever left a
> fetus on another planet or moon? Do you promise not to do it again? Really?

Damn! I *knew* them aliens was abortion doctors...

Bob "Abort an alien, save a human" Tatman

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Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative


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Amen.
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>
>>I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what
>mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy?
>
>
>Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all
>those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand
>homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from
>the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals
>make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews,
>there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a
>threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like
>Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally
>indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both
>thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated
>in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative
>business, enriching their persecutors no end.
>
>Like Jews, homosexuals appear to Christians, less as flesh and blood human
>beings than as mythological creatures come to life, stepping as if from
>the very pages of Christianity's most sacred texts. Christians, like most
>religious people, have trouble separating the tenets of their religion and
>the characters and location of their mythology from the real life people
>and places of the actual world. While certainly not the only ones with
>this problem Christians, in particular, have such cognitive disabilities
>because they are easily led because their religion specifically orders
>them to think like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me?
>
>The more imaginative of their numbers come up with lies like "Jews poison
>wells," "Black people have no souls," and "homosexuals stick mice up their
>butts," because nothing unifies like the perception of a common and
>dehumanized enemy. Christian antipathy to homosexuals traces its roots to
>the ethnic cleansing of Goddess worshipping Caananites by the ancient
>Hebrews. The Caananites had gay priests. All things Caananite were taboo
>to the ancient Hebrews, not just homosexuality. The "rounding of the
>corners of one's beard," for example, was a Caananite custom. It was
>forbidden to Hebrews so a Hebrew warrior could tell a Hebrew from a
>Caananite in a hurry  in a fight.
>
>Anybody who stuck a mouse up their butt would die a horrible death from
>peritonitis within twelve or so hours. As somebody who celebrated his
>tenth birthday by being operated on for a ruptured appendix, I can tell
>you with absolute certainty that no one who even heard rumor of what
>peritonitis was like would ever do anything to risk such a fate.
>
>I live in a city with a large gay population. I have many gay friends and
>acquaintances. I also have a friend who works as an emergency room
>physician. I'm also a real life Curious George who works as a researcher
>for a local paper. You can take my word for it, if this sort of thing ever
>happened I would have heard about it by now. I would have found the guy. I
>would have  interviewed him. I would have sold the story. I would have
>spent the money. That's my job.
>
>The absolute certainty of a hideous death that awaited anybody with a
>mouse up their butt was the specific reason it ever happened to anybody at
>all. During the Inquisition Christian torturers used  mice up the butt to
>extract confessions from homosexuals, witches, and other heretics. Mice
>were also placed in women's vaginas which were then sewn shut. Another
>torture popular among Christians  was to strap a metal cylinder with one
>open end and filled with mice to the abdomen of their victims and then
>heat the other end with fire. The terrified mice would then try
>desperately to gnaw their way to safety. It is particularly ironic that
>Christians, of all people, would accuse others of of their own crimes,
>particularly this one.
>
>While horrific, shoving mice up their victim's butts is not the most
>archetypal of Christian atrocities. That would be the ever popular burning
>alive. Christians burned more pagans alive than the Nazi burned Jews. Like
>the devotees of Moloch, Christians will even burn babies alive, any
>babies, even Christian babies, if they think it will get them what they
>want. This is irrefutable fact. It is  not ancient history. Christians
>burned babies alive as recently as a few weeks ago. Ask any Serb.
>
>Of course, not every  Christian burns babies alive. Many Christians are
>decent human beings despite their faith. A few, if they are to be
>believed, are even decent human beings because of their faith. Most are
>not. Every Christian tax payer in every NATO nation, through the actions
>of their hired hands, burned babies alive only a few week ago. Their hands
>drip with blood. They have no excuse. There is no excuse. I challenge any
>of them t

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!






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Sherman H. Skolnick
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07-08-1999
GREAT SECRETS OF THE 20th CENTURY
Part One
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides"
Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts

1912 The British ship TITANIC sunk more so from an internal explosion in the
coal bunker than from hitting an iceberg. Those who produced the most recent
version of the movie Titanic, viewed, in a special submarine, the remains of
the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic, off of Newfoundland. They reportedly
noticed the side of the ship showed there had been a massive internal
explosion in the vicinity of the coal bunker. Was it sabotage?

Knowledgeable sources contend the ship, on its maiden voyage, had been the
target of blackmail and espionage intrigue implicating England and Germany
who two years later went to war against each other. With the ship not having
sufficient life-boats to save costs, were the passengers cold-heartedly
sacrificed as part of a bloody scheme to profit war-mongering large corporate
interests while from 1914 to 1918, millions of ordinary people killed each
other?

The movie producers, in a re-make of a prior movie on the Titanic sinking,
spent some 200 million dollars in the production. They were not about to risk
that by raising the question of the internal explosion requiring a revision
of history books. [Sidenote: my late father was on the ship behind the
Titanic.] In 1915, the ship "Lusitania" was likewise the subject of a bloody
scheme. Supposedly just a passenger ship, yet the British withdrew protection
from the ship in wartime as it approached off of England. Knowing the truth
that the Lusitania was a secret munitions carrier, a German U-boat sank the
ship with great loss of life including U.S. citizens. The British sacrificed
the passengers as part of a scheme to draw the U.S. into World War One to aid
Great Britain. Remember: the British and French Rothschilds, and the
Rockefellers, created the conspiratorial Federal Reserve just prior to the
war, to use American assets to finance both sides of Europe's war.

===1918 History books declare that Russian Czar Nicholas 2nd and his family,
following the Russian Revolution, were assassinated by the Bolsheviks, July,
1918, in a basement of a house in Ekaterinburg, Siberia. By the Treaty of
Brest-Litovsk, arranged by Lenin, in March, 1918, the Russians ended their
war with Germany enabling the Germans to devote their efforts to the Western
front against U.S., France, and Great Britain. [Lenin's elder brother was
among those who assassinated Nicholas's grandfather, 1881, Emperor Alexander
2nd] The Treaty had a secret codicil, arranged by the Rockefellers and the
Rothschilds who financed Lenin, providing for the safe passage of the Czar
and his family in exile, the Czar having abdicated the throne on behalf of
himself and his young son, heir to the throne, Alexei, in the spring of 1917.

The Rockefeller banks, Chicago and New York, had the PRIVATE fortune on
deposit of the Romanov family, separate from Nicholas's government position
as Czar of all the Russias. This consisted of 400 million dollars in gold, at
the then price of 20 dollars per ounce. Declaring the Czar and his family
falsely dead enabled the Rockefeller bankers to spread out their empire using
the fraudulent bankers' use of fractional reserves. Through secret accounts,
the Rockefellers for decades thereafter rolled over these funds, to their
benefit, in violation of state escheat laws providing that bank accounts
revert to the State government if not claimed after, in most states, seven
years. Of course, corrupt bank regulators in Illinois and New York have
condoned this by the Rockefellers' First National Bank of Chicago and their
Chase Bank of New York.

By 1970, documents were being released by the British, after more than 50
years of suppression, showing the British monarchy, cousins of the Czar,
secretly with U.S. aid rescued the Czar and his family. So to perpetuate the
big lie of royal murder, the Rockefellers financed an elaborate movie
"Nicholas and Alexandra" which in its final scenes shows the alleged
assassination by the Bolsheviks of the Czar and his family in Siberia. In
only one edition, the pro-British monarchy Chicago Tribune had a story
headlined "U.S. Aided Rescue of Czar Nichola, British hint" [Chicago Tribune,
12/14/70.) Excerpts: "British government documents which recently were placed
in the public record office in London indicate that President Woodrow Wilson
backed a secret mission to Russia which may have resulted in the rescue of
Czar Nicholas and his family in 1918." and "A retired U.S. official, who has
aided the investigations and asked to remain anonymo

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - July 1999






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http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume03/botm0799.htm

Beast of the Month - July 1999
Wang Jun, Chinese Kapitalist Kingpin

"I yam an anti-Christ..."
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) of The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK"

"We really like your president."
General Ji Shengde, Chief of Chinese military intelligence, to Democratic
fund raiser Johnny Chung, before giving him $300,000 to funnel to the
Democratic Party and President Clinton.


During the reign of terror by Janet Reno at the DOJ, the FBI has requested
over 2,000 wire taps.

Only one has been rejected.

The rejection came when the FBI requested a tap on the phone of Wen Ho Lee,
or a search warrant for his house.  They also denied a 1996 effort to examine
Lee's office computer.  Lee was fired this March, accused of transferring
sensitive computer data to an unclassified network, where it was then
transferred to China.

There are two good ways to interpret these facts:

A) Mr. Lee is innocent of the charges against him, and Ms. Reno, fed up and
outraged at the terrible violations of civil liberties that this
investigation would be among, finally put her foot down and declared "Enough
is enough!"

B) Mr. Lee is guilty, and Ms. Reno and the DOJ were applying cover for a spy
operation that was known about and approved by those high up in the federal
government, perhaps thanks to compromise due to financial support.

Given the history of Ms. Reno, which seems like a more logical explanation of
the facts?

For all the hype and sensationalism behind the Cox Report and the
investigation of the Chinese spy scandal, there is undoubtedly more than some
truth to it, no matter what Klintonian apologists may insist.  Yes, there may
be a unnecessary drumming up of the Chinese bogeyman going on, and some of
the accusations leveled in the Cox report can likely lead to a dangerous
witchhunt against people of Chinese descent, but the curious case of Mr. Wen
Ho Lee is as blatant of a smoking gun you'll find for proof of any
conspiracy.  Indeed, when all is said and done, the Chinese spy scandal may
live up to the hype as being the greatest spy scandal since the Russians
stole the atomic bomb from the United States (well-timed considering recent
public revelations of Cold War Soviet spying operations.)

Mr. Lee is a minor player in the scandal, however, which perhaps is why he is
the one name being thrown around with impunity by the korporate media.  He is
not even on the level of Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie, and John Huang, the
three most notorious fundraisers for the Klinton administration with links to
China (as extensively detailed in the book Year of the Rat.)  Of particular
interest is the involvement of Huang, who had been senior U.S. representative
to Indonesian billionaire James Riady, before being appointed to the Commerce
Department.  Riady, owner of the Chinese and Indonesian giant Lippo Group,
was given unlimited access to the White House for his funds late in the 1992
election, which helped Slick Willie get into office.  How much the favors to
Riady was normal payback to a big business supporter and how much of it was
part of the spy scandal is an open question.  Given that the Lippo Group's
joint ventures in China are nearly all in conjunction with the Chinese
government, thus making Riady a King Rat within the Chinese connection, the
distinction is a minor one.  In any case, Huang's trade position in the
Commerce Department offered him access to classified intelligence on China,
and he met with Chinese Embassy officials in Washington at least nine times.

The story of Johnny Chung is even more blatant: in 1996, a $300,000 donation
was funneled to him by Liu Chao Ying, the daughter of China's retired senior
military officer and a lieutenant colonel in the People's Liberation Army.
Liu is also VP of the Hong Kong subsidiary of China Aerospace Corporation, an
organization that manages China's missile and space industry.  According to
the Cox Report, the money was meant to help position Liu to acquire U.S.
computer, missile and satellite technologies.  The actual source of the
donation was General Ji Shengde, Chief of Chinese military intelligence.
Chung would visit the White House more than 50 times.

Still, even Liu and General Ji are dwarfed by Wang Jun (The Konformist Beast
of the Month) as major players in the Chinese spy scandal.  The more one
looks at Wang, the more he looks like the Chinese version of a shagadelic Dr.
Evil, an Ernst Blofeld (or to those hip to the Gemstone Files, an Aristotle
Onassis) who uses a mammoth business empire for world domination.  Longtime
investigator Sherman Skolnick has even fingered him as head of the Te-Wu, the
Chinese Secret Police apparatus that is over 2,500 years old.  Considering
the power and influence Wang holds, that may not be an exaggeration.

Wang Jun is

[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Wednesday, July 14, 1999

1999-07-14 Thread CobolMage


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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for July 14, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
   #608 ~~ 7/14/99
http://www.atheists.org
   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
 http://www.americanatheist.org

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   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
   "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
And The Separation Of State and Church"
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   In This Issue...
   * Is bigoted "Church" an "atheist group"?
   * Action pending on RLPA
   * Resources
   * About this list...

 WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE ON "CREATOR CHURCH" UNFAIRLY
   SMEARS ATHEISTS

An article appearing in the Monday, July 12 edition of the Washington
Post described the racist World Church of the Creator -- a neo-nazi
movement headed by a self-proclaimed "Pontifex Maximum" -- as "an
atheist group."  Authored by staff writer Rene Sanchez, the piece
("Path of Calif.  Hate Crimes Led to Strictly Reared Brothers")
appeared on page two of the "A" section, and was also available on the
Post's website.

Sanchez began by describing "a wave of hate" allegedly involving two
Redding, California brothers, Benjamin Matthew Williams, 31 and James
Tyler Williams, 29, who are being investigated in connection with the
burning of three synagogues, the bombing of an abortion clinic, and
the shooting of a gay couple.  "As investigators continued today to
probe their possible role in all of the attacks, as well as links the
men may have had to white supremacist groups nationally," wrote
Sanchez, "more details of their lives emerged."  Sanchez noted that
the men "were raised in a fundamentalist Christian" family, and that
the father was "a strict disciplinarian who often loudly professed
extremist views to neighbors."  A local high school teacher who
purchased a home from the elder Williams told the paper, "Everything
they did was about religion.  They were fanatical about it."

Sanchez then noted that during a police search of the Williams'
brothers house, a variety of evidence was uncovered including
anti-Semitic tracts from the World Church of the Creator.  The church
is already being probed in a separate investigation linked to Benjamin
Nathaniel Smith, who over the July 4 weekend went on a killing spree
in Indiana and Illinois before shooting himself.  Sanchez reported
that according to the Anti-Defamation League, the World Church of the
Creator operates in California.  She then wrote: "Matthew Hale, who
leads the atheist group, has denied having a role in any of the recent
attacks..."

Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists, promptly responded in a
letter to the Washington Post and called for a clarification.  "This
is an unfair and blatantly inaccurate characterization of atheism,"
charged Johnson.  "Not only does this organization describe itself as
a 'church,' it is headed by a man named Matthew Hale who uses the
title 'Pontifex Maximum.'  " She added that while the World Church of
the Creator claims to reject Christianity, much of its ideology is
"remarkably similar to Christian Identity, a theological system which
teaches racial hatred and promotes a fantasy version of human
evolution and history."

"We find no evidence that the World Church of the Creator has labored
for any of the social or political objectives which American Atheists
and other Atheist organizations have worked for over the decades.
When not glorifying the persona of the 'Pontifex Maximus' the WCC
peddles a message of political hate and intolerance.  In contrast,
American Atheists have labored for the separation of church and state,
defended other important civil liberties and human rights, and worked
to promulgate a rational view of the universe and humanity's role in
it."

Johnson told the Post that the characterization of the Creator sect as
an "atheist group" was a "cheap shot, especially since American
Atheists has taken a proactive role in political and social affairs,
yet has received nowhere near comparable coverage in your paper."  She
added, "Ironically, those who may agree with the teachings of this
'church' seem to be doing the bidding of America's extreme religious
right fundamentalists; they are suspected, like the Williams brothers
in California, of carrying out raids on abortion clinics, physically
attacking gays, and other reprehensible actions...  None of this has
anything to do with Atheism and the separation of church and state."

In a printed statement issued last night to the national media,
American Atheists spokesperson Ron Barrier charged that the article
displayed "callous indifference to Atheists and a total lack of
knowledge about Atheism and freethought."  He called for the Post to
issue an apology, and an explanation of why the claim was made that
the World Church of the Creator was "an atheist group."

On news groups and mailing lists, the reaction to the Post article was

Re: [CTRL] The Military Gravy Train

1999-07-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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Yes, Goat, it's always been that way.  Nothing new here.  I don't always
complain about it.  Sometimes it's better to have these guys redecorating
than coming up with obscenely stupid programs that take hours of time and
tons of money to work on.  If anyone knows anyone who had to work around the
totally assinine "ZERO DEFECTS" program that General Shriever burdened the
Air Force with, they know it is better to buy personal planes, build golf
courses and skiing chalets, beach retreats, anything but let them loose at
the office.   If anyone has had anything to do with the military, he or she
knows that the most important things when generals (visiting or local) are
concerned is cutting grass and getting haircuts.  No one worrys whether an
installation is combat ready, or whether its organizations function properly.
 Basically that's because the ton of brass the military is burdened with
these days can see much better than they can think.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] The FBI in Kosovo (fwd)

1999-07-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 07/14/1999 2:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I know the FBI seems to be more and more involved in
 international operations, but I found myself wondering when, how,
 and why this came about.

 What is next?  Are we going to send the IRS over there to collect
 taxes? >>

Isn't it amazing?  Our FBI which can't really check out a boat obviously
running away from TWA 800, and whose only real action has been to persecute
the Sanders who really did want to find out what happened, is over in the
Balkans checking out the international situation.  Oh I forgot.  They're also
getting chummy with the militia.  That's to make up for shooting women and
children at Ruby Ridge.  Still we shouldn't complain.  We're probably all
better off with these guys overseas.  Prud

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Re: [CTRL] I'm a god too!

1999-07-14 Thread Tenorlove


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[CTRL] Fw: US DoD says it's Y2K-OK; first Y2K suicide

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:47 AM
Subject: FC: US DoD says it's Y2K-OK; first Y2K suicide

http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20723.html

 Y2K Military Minutiae on Track
 by Declan McCullagh

 3:00 a.m.  14.Jul.99.PDT
 FAIRFAX, Virginia -- F-15s diving into the
 ground and Trident nuclear missiles
 accidentally obliterating New Jersey may
 grab headlines, but the US military is just
 as worried about fixing a much more
 prosaic Y2K problem: Buggy computers
 that keep track of the mundane.

 The Defense Department is home to
 hundreds of massive, creaky computers
 that, if not readied for the year 2000, will
 cause troop supply shortages and missing
 spare parts.

 Defense brass spent Tuesday afternoon
 insisting that such a situation is
 farfetched, if not impossible.
 [...]

http://www.y2kculture.com/reactions/19990712.suicide.html

 THE FIRST Y2K SUICIDE
 It's the first real-live -- make that real-dead --
 casualty of the glitch.
 July 12, 1999

http://www.y2kculture.com/feedback/19990712.feedback.html

 READER FEEDBACK
 A reader contributes some Y2K verse: "I do
 not want dark and Y2K. I want to hold the fear
 at bay."
 July 12, 1999

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[CTRL] Fw: Konformist: FeedBack & Humor 07-14-99

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FeedBack & Humor
07-14-99

I told you so... WAKE the F@#$ up!
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 05:10:02 PM
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HEY... I hate to tell you that I told you so... (actually I'm starting to
like it)

but... at the time the Unabomber was arrested,

I TOLD YOU SO!

"The Unabomber was a mind-control victim."

- said I, William Cooper, on the Hour Of The Time, and in MAJESTYTWELVE. And
it's not over... these incidents will continue until the conspirators have
completely disarmed and enslaved the American Sheople.

When the Unabomber was arrested I informed you that Kaczynski was the victim
of a mind-control operation. And of course, as usual, nobody believed that
such a thing could be possible... not in America. Unfortunately the America
that the Sheople envision ceased to exist a long time ago. Alexander
Cockburn confirmed my research when he revealed Tuesday, July 6, in a Los
Angeles Times copyrighted column, that Theodore (Ted) Kaczynski, the
Unabomber, was a volunteer in Harvard conducted mind-control experiments
sponsored by the CIA in the 1950's and 60's . The story was gleaned from the
just published book The United States of America Vs. Theodore John Kaczynski
by Michael Mello. In the book Mello notes that during his Harvard years
Kaczynski volunteered to be part of a psychological experiment supervised by
Dr. Henry Murray, now deceased. The program was under complete control of
the Director of CIA Technical Services, Sidney Gottlieb. You may remember
Gottlieb as the one who personally fed a dram of LSD to unsuspecting Army
officer Frank Olson, plunging him into madness, which ultimately caused
Olson to leap to his death from an upper story window of the Statler-Hilton
Hotel in New York City. Legal action brought by Olson's family was recently
in the news. You may purchase this story from the L.A. Times WebSite for
$1.50. It appeared in the Tuesday, July 6, 1999 Home Edition of the Los
Angeles Times, Metro Section, Page: B-5 under the title, We're Reaping
Tragic Legacy From Drugs by Alexander Cockburn. See also:

MAJESTYTWELVE
**
Why would the Church of the Subgenius kill Kirby?

The holy scriptures doth say (or at least a good rant that I heard Ivan
Stang once give said) that 'Should you meet Bob on the road.. Kill Him!  If
it is the true Bob then he's just pop up again like a cartoon.  If not
you'll have killed a false Bob.'  Killing members of the church is a long
standing tradition, ranging from the ceremonial killing of Bob to the sacred
scourging of the temple prostitutes to death with whips of dried prairie
squid tentacles.  It's just how we say.. 'I love you.' :-)

-Rev. Dr. Pope Impious XXIII, ULC, RSVP, EIEIO
**
FeedBack: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 07:08:15 PM
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cool stuff on the Czar, but Skolnick obfuscates on the beneficiaries and
financing of the Bolsheviks, by playing the Rockefeller card.

Max Warburg, head of German Intelligence, is responsible for Lenins train
ride into Russia. Paul Warburg,(brother of Max) Chairman and Father of the
Fed was forced to resign because of his role in financing the Bolsheviks, he
was assisted in the financing by Otto Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff and a few others
who were hardly members of the Rockefeller family or cartel, but were
"related" to and aligned with the Rothschilds, whom control(led) the Bank of
England, in whose vault the Czars fortune was held.

Lee

Sherman Skolnick appearantly hasn't bothered to research anything as per
usual.

IF he had bothered to check things out like a REAL Researcher would, and
Not a Sensationalist that seemingly appears to only need to keep his ego
inflated by being in the spotlight.

He Would of discovered that this purported "monolopy" has been broken up
with the onset of at least 2 to 3 other comapnies providing internet domain
names, addresses, a while back.

If you go to http://rs.internic.net you will find links to the other
companies that are providing names as well as name blocks.

But why should anyone listen to me.  I am just a lowly Net Surfer, and  not
someone that has an axe to grind, or hidden agenda's.

Veng.
**
FeedBack: The Shroud of Turin
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 02:51:29 PM
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wow, reading to the end, the "son of god" had DNA, that must means it is
the DNA of God, a

[CTRL] Fw: SW BULLETIN July 14, 1999

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Science-Week <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 6:45 AM
Subject: SW BULLETIN July 14, 1999

HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF EXEMPTIONS FROM IMMUNIZATION LAWS
Immunizations are among the most cost-effective and successful
public health interventions, and all jurisdictions in the US have
introduced and actively enforce laws that require proof of
immunization for school entrance. However, state immunization
laws permit certain exemptions, e.g., for individuals who are
immunocompromised, have allergic reactions to vaccine
constituents, or have moderate or severe illness. Also, 48 states
permit religious exemptions, and 15 states allow philosophical or
personal exemptions, with such exemptions defined differently by
each state. D.A. Salmon et al (Centers for Disease Control, US)
now report a study to quantify the risk of contracting measles
among individuals claiming religious and/or philosophical
exemptions from immunization (exemptors) compared with vaccinated
persons, and to examine the risk that exemptors pose to the
nonexempt population. The authors report that on average,
exemptors were 35 times more likely to contract measles than were
vaccinated persons. Depending on assumptions concerning the
degree of mixing between exemptors and non-exemptors, the
incidence of measles infection in non-exempt individuals would
increase by 5.5 percent to 30.8 percent. The authors suggest
their data indicate the need for systematic review of vaccine-
preventable incidents to examine the effect of exemptors, and the
need for increased surveillance of the number of exemptors and
cases among them, and the need for research to determine the
reasons why individuals claim exemptions.
(J. Amer. Med. Assoc. 7 Jul 99)

Are religious exemptions to immunization a good way to reduce the
populations of religious groups? Do True Believers deserve to be
left on their own to sicken and die? Do they have the right to
infect the rest of us? What infectious diseases wouldn't you
mind catching from your True Believer neighbors? Why?  --Ric

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Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] "Factions" or Hegelian Game?

1999-07-14 Thread Nicky Molloy


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Bill Kingsbury wrote...

>The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery.
>You are parroting the same-old "forgery" line.
 >"Forgery" is typically defined as :
 >"A counterfeit copy of the genuine article,
 >That is virtually identical to the original."

  >Are you suggesting that the "real" Protocols do exist, and
  >that they are virtually identical to the known "Protocols" ?

   >Or does the "forgery" charge refer to the substitution of
   >"Elders of (Z)ion" -- for ("masonic") "Elders of (S)ion" ?



Hi Bill,

I need a bit of time to write back, and may have preached this before so
here it goes again - BUT  the answer to your question I think, is that it is
The Masonic /but could be Catholic/ Elders of Sion. Hard to find anyone else
to fit the bill.  Dosen't matter if it is Jew, Catholic, Freemason, atheist,
what country they come from or so called 'race' who are following the
agenda. All that matters is that they are the Seed of King David. The entire
book is about the Seed of David and their plan to have a King of the World
directly from him to await the Messiah. Ridding the world of everything
else.

They do follow the 'European royalty is from King David'. Also the Scots and
Irish would have the most concentrated due to King Zedekiah's daughter/s
moving to Ireland around 580BC - (with inbreeding).Supposedly marrying the
Irish King who was already from Judah's son. Forgotten the name now but the
first twin who got the red ribbon tied around his hand.

Also the Stewart/Templar dynasty coming from France. All they care about is
the blood. And don't forget that Solomon had 1,000 wives so that covers the
Freemasons in the Middle East. Some Jews are at the top like Henry Kissinger
and Lord Rothschild who is in charge of the Grand Lodge Freemasons and who
is paying for the rebuilding of Solomon's temple.

The so called Aryan Nazis have other ideas, but we know about a lot of
those. They like the gaia thing and would like to get rid of patriarchy.
Completely different.

I finally clicked on what was behind the 'plan' by accident back in 93. I
bought the Protocols of Zion in about 1981 in London UK and I keep seeing
'Seed of David' taking over the world and always wondered if it was the Jews
or not because I couldn't see any evidence.

In 93 back in Auckland I was in an adult education institute and a man, a
stranger, came in. I knew something was badly wrong somewhere as he filled
the place with evil. I found out later that he had threatened my friend who
is an anti NWO activist. She had been speaking on the phone with someone
else who also had their phone tapped and 3 weeks later he turned up. He
worked for the local council. He said to her 'Why are you letting this man
influence you?'

Anyway he gave the game away with his thoughts. He came and sat down on the
sofa after and tried to look innocent.There were only the 3 of us in the
building too. Then he said to me 'What do you do here?'  I said I taught
astrology and he said - 'I know my time of birth'  I did him a horoscope and
said you may be good at geneology. Then he said 'Yes I've traced myself to
King David'. So I thought that's funny - the descendants of King David may
be tapping the phones, why would they be doing that? After giving it a great
deal of thought I read The Protocols of Zion again and it was clear.

Of course, Queen Elizabeth supposedly sitting on the Throne of David
according to the British Israel Soc and others - well Freemasons anyway and
Worldwide Church of God and other religious groups.. ( I don't believe this
is accurate but they do) Lord Rothschild is the Queen's advisor. The
Illuminati - George Bush, related to the Queen. Clinton from French royalty.
How many of these at the top from royalty?  The pope is supposed to be
Jewish. Alexander Haig - Scottish name.  Ronald Regan (Irish name) - Knights
of Malta. The Grand Masters of Knights of Malta and Order of St John have to
have their Grand Masters from the Stewart dynasty, Bilderbergers mostly
Royalty  -  These are your Seed of David.

Hard to pick out but I found confirmation everywhere of this. There is a
site on the net from UK which can determine if one has royal blood. Plus the
Mormon geneology records would soon show it. If the Protocals of Zion are a
forgery, then they must be a prophecy!

Prob originally from Satan and for those Babylonian reptoid royalty
believers - who knows maybe we can substitute Seed of
Satan/Serpent/reptoid/fallen angel. Some people may put Annuki (who see
Annuki as the cause of everything.).

I'd be inclined to think it was a combination of King David AND something
very dark - as personally I can't see a human thinking that up. Maybe it was
channelled in Rennes le Chateau with some occult ceremony and maybe Satan
told these people they had special rights coming from King David  I mean the
French Jews that became Catholic and ended up in Rennes le Chateau. I'm not
an expert, just looking for connections.

Yes I'd say whoever channelled

Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democra...

1999-07-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 07/14/1999 2:09:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< In a message dated 7/12/99 6:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 > I think that what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge was criminal...
 >  absolute atrocities...  But the number of nuts with guns is on the
 >  increase..and any government is going to respond.
 >
 >

 Well, it is true that these things are deplorable.  The number of nuts with
 guns may or may not be on the increase.  What is certain is that the
 government will respond, in ham handed fashion no doubt.  Blanket gun laws,
 laws against hating people, and the like.  Why not just make it a law that
 you have to love everyone and do everything you can for the benefit of
 everyone else?  The penalty for not doing so is, of course, having your door
 kicked in at 3:00 A.M., getting dragged off to some prison and being locked
 away.  Plus having all your assets seized so that the police can buy more
 guns, and "non-lethal" weapons to make our country the peaceful land of love
 we all know it to be. >>

Such a terrifyingly true understanding of the matter.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters

1999-07-14 Thread El Snatcher

 -Caveat Lector-

Here are some details of the KPFA protests last night... from
http://www.savepacifica.net/

URGENT: DOZENS ARRESTED AS PACIFICA TAKES OVER KPFA AIR... WHAT YOU
CAN DO TO HELP!

Dozens of protestors were arrested tonight by over 50 Berkeley police
in riot gear in a massive five hour protest inside and outside KPFA.
Pacifica had taken local KPFA programming off the air shortly after 6
p.m. and substituted taped programs from the archives, run by an
engineer, Mark Torrres, brought in from the Pacifica Program Service
in Los Angeles. The takeover operation was supervised by Pacifica
Houston station manager Garland Ganter, who a year and a half ago
cancelled almost all of KPFT's community programmers and installed a
nearly all music format, "The Sounds of Texas."

The last words heard on KPFA were those of KPFA news co-director Mark
Mericle describing "Flashpoints" host Dennis Bernstein being dragged
out of the studio by the armed security guards who have been inside
KPFA for a month.  Bernstein could be heard in the background.

More than 500 people blocked both downtown Berkeley streets leading to
KPFA, and several dozen, along with KPFA staff people, refused to
leave the building.  They were arrested - sometimes with painful arm
holds used - and taken to the nearby police station, where most were
cited and released.

YOUR HELP IS URGENTLY NEEDED TO PROTEST THIS INSANE ACTION BY
PACIFICA!

THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE PROTEST AT 5 P.M. WEDNESDAY JULY 14 IN FRONT
OF THE STATION

First, it is time to get our elected officials involved in stopping
Mary Frances Berry before she demolishes this federally licensed
broadcast entity any further.  Please call Berkeley Congresswoman
Barbara Lee either in Washington at (202) 225-2661 or in Oakland at
(510) 763-0370 and DEMAND that she get involved IMMEDIATELY!  KPFA's
tradition of free speech, advocacy for peace and justice, and
community control is threatened as never before by the Berry/Chadwick
regime!  (NOTE: Congresswoman Lee inherited legislative aide Roberta
Brooks from her predecessor, Ron Dellums.  Brooks, who resigned under
pressure as a Pacifica board member a few months ago, seems to have
been one of the architects and supporters of Berry's disastrous
activities.  Therefore Congresswoman Lee may need a great deal of
education on the KPFA/ Pacifica conflict.)

Another official to call IMMEDIATELY - Berkeley residents especially!
- is Berkeley city manager James Keene.  PROTEST the exhorbitant use
of police power - more than fifty officers on duty for over five hours
- against peaceful demonstrators.  Let Keene know that you resent your
tax money being spent to enforce Dr. Berry's schemes, and that in any
case he needs to be present to supervise police officers who used many
painful tactics in arresting non-violent people.  (510) 644-6580.
(Also: Berkeley residents contact your councilperson and mayor Dean
and DEMAND that they be present at 5 p.m. today!)

Mark Torres of the Pacifica Program Service is running tapes on KPFA
to replace regular programmers.  Call him at (818) 506-1077 Ext.266 to
express your opinion about his scab activities.

Garland Ganter of KPFT has been imported to KPFA to enforce the Berry/
Chadwick takeover.  Call him at (713) 526-4000 ext. 310 and let him
know what you think about his role in this devastation of KPFA.

VERY IMPORTANT: Pacifica programmers have been terrorized into silence
under threat of dismissal if they discuss on the air what Berry and
Chadwick are doing.  CALL THESE STATIONS AND DEMAND THAT THEY TALK
ABOUT THE RUINATION OF THEIR NETWORK...BEFORE THEIR STATION GETS
RUINED, TOO!

KPFK: (818) 985-5735
KPFT: (713) 526-5738
WPFW: (202) 588-0893
WBAI: (212) 209-2900
Pacifica Network News - 1-888-770-4944 ext. 323
Amy Goodman - (212) 209-2800

HELP GET THIS MESSAGE OUT...SEND IT ESPECIALLY TO PEOPLE YOU MAY KNOW
IN PACIFICA AFFILIATE COMMUNITIES LIKE MADISON, PORTLAND, TAMPA (SEE
PACIFICA.ORG SITE FOR FULL LIST)

On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 02:31:29AM -0700, Linda Mickelson wrote:
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I had heard that something was going down at KPFA, but exactly what I wasn't sure, 
>so I hailed a cab and
> hightailed it over there (after midnight).  Some stragglers from a protest, but 
>nothing much still going on
> that I could see. Still didn't know what had happened. Now I read this, and after 
>clicking on the link to the
> web site, I learn that this is really, really serious indeed.  I called KPFA "my 
>university" for a long time,
> and Dennis Bernstein's show "Flash Points" was the best radio show I have ever heard 
>in my life, consistently
> the best radio show ever.  Is this what happens when the agenda of the New World 
>Order begins to be
> implemented in Berkeley?  If they can get away with this, there is far worse to come 
>down the road!  We must
> resist this!
>
> El Snatcher wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters

--

[CTRL] Suitcase Nukes and Old Cold Warriors


 -Caveat Lector-

 My unit manager at work, an ex-Special Forces weapons expert
and now a martial arts instructor, was hired recently to be bodyguard
(until the FBI was due to arrive) to Russian defector Col. Stanislav
Lunev, promoter of the "suitcase nukes" scenario (see below).
 He was chosen for this task by fascist grey eminence JOHN
SINGLAUB (World Anti-Communist League founder, MC of the 1981
Mountain Shadow Resort meeting that wedded the early "militias"
to Ollie North's Contra ideal and Central American deathsquads,
and a Christic Institute defendant along with Secord, Shackley
and other Bush/"Octopus" capos), because Singlaub, besides
being a friend, keen on ex-Special Forces anti-gun-control types,
is a director of the "Jamestown Foundation" (see after) and Lunev
was one of the Jamestown Foundation's in-house stable of speakers
on the subject of the "renewed Communist threat."
 According to my unit manager, Singlaub is not alone among
old Cold Warriors on the board of Jamestown.  Another is retired
Adm. Moorer.  Other active members (listed on the roster which
is printed hereafter) are ALEXANDER HAIG, Dick Cheney, Henry Hyde,
Kissinger protege Zbigniew Brzezinski, John McCain, Tom Clancy,
and others whose motives and affiliations, more familiar to Conspiracy
Theorists, may suggest the REAL reason why "the Evil Empire" myth
is being raised from the dead to terrorize the popular mind again.
 Ah, the "good old days" of the fascist-'50s Warfare State ...

 Next, my unit manager is off to an "America in Peril" conference
in which (surprise!) Maj-Gen. Singlaub is lead speaker, alongside
Chris Ruddy, and the WorldNet crew ...

-

  from the SIGHTINGS website:

FORMER SOVIET AGENT, NOW DEFECTOR,
 WARNS OF RUSSIAN PLANS

 (AP [no date]) -- A former Soviet agent says Russia's military
intelligence is gathering information on President Clinton, key
congressional and military leaders and members of the Cabinet for
assassination squads.
 Elite troops already are training in the United States and
in the event of war "would try to assassinate as many American
leaders as possible, as well as their families," Stanislav Lunev,
a former colonel in [the GRU], the Russian military intelligence
service, asserts in a book published Wednesday.
 They would also blow up power stations, telephone switching
systems and dams and target secret landing sites for Air Force
One, wrote Lunev, who defected in 1992.
 "The use of tactical nuclear weapons would be likely," he
said.
 Declaring he wanted to use his experience "to warn America
of the dirty tricks that can be played against her," the defector
says Russian pilots are training for action against the United
States and NATO.
 In the book, "Through the Eyes of the Enemy," and in an
Associated Press interview, Lunev said special agents were
entering the United States as foreign tourists on fake passports
and that elite troops were locating sites to deposit small
nuclear devices, known as "suitcase bombs," in the Shenandoah
Valley outside Washington and the Hudson Valley of New York.
 "Russia remains terrified of the power of America, and
Russian military intelligence does everything it can to prepare
for a war that it considers inevitable," Lunev wrote.
 CIA and FBI officials declined to discuss the former colonel
or his assertions. On one of his central points, that Russian
mobsters have considerable control over the Russian government,
including espionage operations, CIA spokesperson Anya Guilsher
said: "The Russian intelligence security services have expressed
public concern regarding Russian organized criminal ties to
government officials. There is a determined effort under way to
prosecute officials for criminal activity."
 Gilsher also said "the Russian mafia is something we
continue to watch carefully."
 Last September, a senior Russian Defense Ministry official
denied the existence of suitcase-size nuclear bombs, saying such
devices would be technically possible but too costly and
inefficient to produce.
 The statements by Lt. Gen. Igor Volynkin disputed claims by
former Russian government officials that Moscow possessed te
miniature bombs and had lost track of some of them.
 In the book, Lunev wrote that "America is facing a nation
led by gangsters -- gangsters who have nuclear weapons.  And some
of these weapons are on American soil."
 In a telephone interview, Lunev said the Russian government
cannot account for about 100 nuclear devices, and "it's possible"
nuclear weapons already have been dropped in the Shenandoah and
Hudson valleys or elsewhere in the United States.
 On the influence of Russian mobsters, he spoke without
qualification.  "The mafia controls the government and the
political establishment, and as a result of this they have a huge
influence over (President Boris) Yeltsin."
 Lunev shied away from registering

[CTRL] [Fwd: Urgent July 14 Alert] KPFA Takeover

1999-07-14 Thread Linda Mickelson






Coalition for a democratic Pacifica

499 Alabama Street, #221, San Francisco, CA 94110

510-594-4000 ext. 202
Contact:  Nick Alexander, 510-601-9544 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Mary Berg, 510-428-0949
   Jeffrey Blankfort, 415-255-9182

July 14, 1999
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

All Out July 14 Against Pacifica's Occupation of KPFA!

Join what will likely be a massive 1000+ rally in front of KPFA, 1929
Martin Luther King JR Way, Wednesday, July 14, at 5:00 PM against
Pacifica's shocking take over of the station and in support of arrested
protesters who occupied the building! (Rally schedule for Wednesday,
July 14 also includes: 8AM to 10AM, 12 PM to 1PM at KPFA. Those who can
attend the 8AM and/or NOON rallies  are encouraged to do so.  We need to
maintain the largest presence in front of the station that we possibly
can!)

At around 6:10 PM, July 13, the KPFA News began reporting  a disturbance
inside the station as armed guards attempted to remove Flashpoints
co-host Dennis Bernstein. Earlier, Bernstein  played a tape  of  Mumia
Abu Jamal in support of KPFA staff and on the Pacifica crisis.  He also
aired  a press conference held that same afternoon in which fired
programmer Robbie Osman, attorney Dan Seigel, and Media Alliance
Executive Director Andrea Buffa reported on developments in the struggle
against Pacifica, including the announcement of a lawsuit to force
accountability and a controversial email detailing the possible closure
of KPFA. ( See below.)  The microphone went silent as anchor Mark
Mericle started to explain that Garland Gantner from Pacifica's Houston
station had been installed as KPFA acting manager and was carrying out
the take over. Then, eerily, the sound went to a taped  speech from the
Pacifica archives on corporate power and control in the US. A  crowd of
over 300 people soon gathered in front of the station in support of
staff and listeners who  occupied the ground and second floors inside.
Protesters booed and chanted as riot cops jostled demonstrators around
and set up barricades  so activists inside the building could be
escorted to waiting paddy wagons.  Arrested activists include  Marianne
Torres of Take Back KPFA. By 10:30 PM or so, the crowd still blocked the
street and some 30  to 40 people were still inside, including Dennis
Bernstein,  programmers Pratap Chatterjee, Mary Berg, and Robbie Osman,
news anchors  Mark Mericle and Aileen Alfandary,  Medea Benjamin of
Global Exchange, Barbara Lubin of the Middle East Children's Alliance,
and Van Jones, Executive Director of the Ella Baker Center for Human
Rights.   The stage for the take over seemed to be set  at a Bay Area
press conference  Monday in which Pacifica Board Chair Mary Frances
Berry  drew a "line in the sand" on alleged violations by KPFA staff of
the socalled gag  rule. In addition, there is  also an ominous email,
apparently sent by Pacifica Board member and real estate broker Michael
Palmer to Berry. That message reveals a plan to destroy grassroots
opposition and to  put canned programming on KPFA.  The memo begins
with: "I salute your fortitude in scheduling a news conference
opportunity in the beloved Bay Area regarding one of the most pressing
issues of our time. But seriously, I was under the impression there was
support in the proper quarters, and a definite  majority, for shutting
down that unit and re-programming immediately. Has that changed?" [For
more information go to http://www.counterpunch.com  and
http://www.radio4all.org/freepacifica.]


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Re: [CTRL] Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters

1999-07-14 Thread Linda Mickelson

 -Caveat Lector-

I had heard that something was going down at KPFA, but exactly what I wasn't sure, so 
I hailed a cab and
hightailed it over there (after midnight).  Some stragglers from a protest, but 
nothing much still going on
that I could see. Still didn't know what had happened. Now I read this, and after 
clicking on the link to the
web site, I learn that this is really, really serious indeed.  I called KPFA "my 
university" for a long time,
and Dennis Bernstein's show "Flash Points" was the best radio show I have ever heard 
in my life, consistently
the best radio show ever.  Is this what happens when the agenda of the New World Order 
begins to be
implemented in Berkeley?  If they can get away with this, there is far worse to come 
down the road!  We must
resist this!

El Snatcher wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters
>
> Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org)
>
> Jabber Streams
>
> 1999-07-14 00:51:27
>
> By Tjames Madison
>
> In an update to our earlier piece detailing the savagery which has
> ensued since the Pacifica National Board has tried to force unwelcome
> and restrictive new management and policies on its San Francisco-area
> flagship station, KPFA, Pigdog has learned that KPFA's entire staff
> was ejected from the radio station's building tonight, and riot police
> were called in to forcibly disperse a crowd estimated at approximately
> 500 protestors gathered in support of the troubled franchise.
>
> And, as if the current shenanigans weren't enough bad news for KPFA,
> uncomfirmed word is filtering in regarding a possible sale of KPFA
> and/or sister station WBAI in order to create an "endowment" for
> Pacifica's national operation, which would almost certainly mean
> re-programming, total staff turnover and a complete format change for
> a non-Pacifica KPFA, or in other words, the end of the station as its
> listeners have come to know it.
> -more-
>
> 
>http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Pacifica_Board_Ousts_KPFA_Staff__Hammers_Down_on_Protesters.html
>
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[CTRL] The Military Gravy Train


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Air Force Spent $270,000 on Kitchen

By ANNE GEARAN
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Nearly $270,000 in kitchen renovations at the home of the
superintendent of the U.S. Air Force Academy were made using money normally
earmarked for day-to-day military operations and maintenance.

The expenditure was not submitted for congressional approval, and critics in
Congress have complained to the Air Force that the arrangement appeared to be
an end run around congressional scrutiny.

``I don't like it. It looks like kind of a creative accounting setup,'' Rep.
Joel Hefley, R-Colo., chairman of the House Military Construction
subcommittee, said Tuesday.

The Air Force inspector general's office is looking into the kitchen project,
Hefley said.

The Air Force arrangement is similar to one the Navy used to divert $5.5
million from its operating budget to renovate the official homes of three
admirals, including the head of the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.

In both the Navy and Air Force cases, military officials defended the repairs
as necessary to maintain historic homes that are also used heavily for public
functions.

The 64-year-old Mediterranean-style home at the Air Force Academy in Colorado
Springs, Colo., got new kitchen cabinets, appliances and other improvements
last year at a cost of $268,010.

``You just go, `Wow! That's a lot of money''' for a kitchen, said Pentagon
spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley. But the houses are old, and in many cases
work has been put off for years, Quigley said. ``And if they're on the
National Register of Historic Places,'' he said, ``it is our duty to maintain
them.''

The Navy reversed course last month and said it will pay for the work out of
ordinary housing accounts, where the projects are subject to congressional
approval.

``The Navy came forward and said, `This is what happened. We don't think it's
right, and we're going to change it,''' Navy spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Lydia
Robertson said at the time.

Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Jay DeFrank said the Air Force is not making a
similar decision.

``Our existing policy for using these funds is prudent, and no laws were
broken,'' DeFrank said Tuesday. ``However, we are reviewing our procedures
for notification when we intend to use these funds, including congressional
notification.''

Hefley said he and others in Congress also plan to change the way the
military services ask for money for future renovation projects.

A House proposal would require that Congress be told of planned work on
generals' or admirals' houses that costs more than $15,000. The provision
also bans using any readiness money on the homes.

Top Pentagon leaders have decried a crisis in military readiness and have
come hat-in-hand to Congress for money for new equipment, spare parts and
training.

A spokesman for the Air Force Academy did not return a telephone call
requesting comment. The academy previously said Carlton House, home of the
superintendent, Lt. Gen. Tad Oelstrom, is used for functions that entertain
300 people a month. President Clinton was at one after this year's graduation
ceremony.

``It was all above board and approved. We followed appropriate guidance all
along,'' academy spokesman Neil Talbott told The Gazette, the Colorado
Springs newspaper that detailed the expenditure last week.

The academy annually spends $50,000 to $80,000 in readiness money to maintain
the superintendent's and commandant of cadets' houses, the newspaper
reported.

The academy plans to spend an additional $1.18 million over several years to
remodel other sections of the superintendent's house, and some of that money
also is to come from readiness funds, the newspaper reported.

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[CTRL] Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters

1999-07-14 Thread El Snatcher

-Caveat Lector-

Pacifica Board Ousts KPFA Staff; Hammers Down on Protesters

Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org)

Jabber Streams

1999-07-14 00:51:27

By Tjames Madison

In an update to our earlier piece detailing the savagery which has
ensued since the Pacifica National Board has tried to force unwelcome
and restrictive new management and policies on its San Francisco-area
flagship station, KPFA, Pigdog has learned that KPFA's entire staff
was ejected from the radio station's building tonight, and riot police
were called in to forcibly disperse a crowd estimated at approximately
500 protestors gathered in support of the troubled franchise.

And, as if the current shenanigans weren't enough bad news for KPFA,
uncomfirmed word is filtering in regarding a possible sale of KPFA
and/or sister station WBAI in order to create an "endowment" for
Pacifica's national operation, which would almost certainly mean
re-programming, total staff turnover and a complete format change for
a non-Pacifica KPFA, or in other words, the end of the station as its
listeners have come to know it.
-more-

http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Pacifica_Board_Ousts_KPFA_Staff__Hammers_Down_on_Protesters.html

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