[CTRL] NYT: Bush Team Questions Results of the Recounts in 2 Counties
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/11/politics/11REPU.html New York Times Saturday, November 11, 2000 Bush Team Questions Results of the Recounts in 2 Counties By JIM YARDLEY With Democrats focusing attention on the voting in Palm Beach County, Florida Republicans and the Bush campaign yesterday questioned the recounts in two counties where Vice President Al Gore saw his tallies increase by several hundred votes. But so far, the Republican challenges have come up empty. Lawyers for the Bush campaign spent yesterday examining envelopes used for mailing absentee ballots in Pinellas County, in western Florida, where the recount netted Mr. Gore an additional 478 votes, his second-biggest increase in the state. This is the first county in which the Bush team has challenged the vote and examined election materials. Paul J. Bedinghaus, the chairman of the Republican Party in Pinellas County, which includes St. Petersburg, said early yesterday, "We found some things of interest, but we haven't found anything yet that I would say would be significant." By yesterday evening, Mr. Bedinghaus added, "We haven't drawn any conclusion, and we're still working." In rural Gadsden County, just west of Tallahassee, in northern Florida, the Bush campaign had not asked to examine ballots, but it did accuse local election officials of overstepping their authority during the recount by adding 187 ballots that had been disqualified in the Nov. 7 vote. All but 17 of those ballots went to Mr. Gore. "They were asked to do a recount and a recount only," said Ken Sukhia, a former United States attorney in Tallahassee working for the Bush campaign. "They did something more than a recount. They looked at ballots that had been rejected and then made guesses as to the voter's intent. We don't think that is appropriate." Mr. Sukhia said he objected during the Gadsden County recount when officials began examining the roughly 2,000 votes that had been disqualified on election night and began adding some of those votes to the count. Sterling Watson, a county commissioner who helped conduct the recount, said the canvassing board used common sense in reinstating the 187 ballots. In some cases, Mr. Watson said, voters had filled out the circle beside the name of one candidate, then crossed it out and filled in the circle for another candidate. "We made a judgment that somebody made a mistake and corrected their mistake, that's all," Mr. Watson said. He said officials followed the same practice for the primaries. Ray Sullivan, a Bush campaign spokesman working from Tallahassee, would not comment on whether the campaign was considering a legal challenge to the vote in Gadsden County, saying only, "When we feel there may be problems and violations, we've certainly raised questions and concerns." By this weekend, the Bush camp expects to have more than 200 people, most of them lawyers, working in Florida. The situation in Pinellas County brought a small platoon of Republican Party lawyers and officials early yesterday morning to Clearwater to challenge the results. According to county officials, one clerk had mistakenly not counted some 1,100 absentee ballots on election night, while another clerk had counted about 400 ballots twice. The mistakes were quickly discovered in a first recount on Wednesday, and the total from that count changed by only eight votes after a second recount on Thursday. "I am not exactly sure what they are looking for," said Betsy Steg, the assistant county attorney who represents the supervisor of elections, "but they're basically redoing what we've already done." George Jirotka, the lawyer for the local Republican Party, said the recount attracted Republicans' attention when nearly 400 votes were added in the recount in which Mr. Gore gained 417 votes and Gov. George W. Bush lost 61. Mr. Jirotka characterized Pinellas County as mostly Republican, though President Clinton won it in 1996. "We saw the results and said, `How did that happen?' " Mr. Jirotka said. On Wednesday night, he said the Bush campaign officially requested to re-examine the results. Mr. Bedinghaus said yesterday that campaign officials compared the names of people who had requested absentee ballots in Pinellas County with the signatures on the envelopes of those returned. But with no apparent discrepancies uncovered by the end of the day, he said campaign officials would return today to examine the absentee ballots that were disqualified. The challenge by the Bush campaign put Robert L. Shirer, the vice chairman of the county Democratic Party, in the unusual position of defending the county elections board, which is dominated by Republicans. "My experience of this elections office as a Democrat and they are Republicans is that they are squeaky clean and very careful," Mr. Shirer said. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK
[CTRL] Fw: VIRUS ALERT - W32/Navidad@M
-Caveat Lector- (( McAfee.com Dispatch ) ___VIRUS ALERT__ [This message is brought to you as a subscriber to the McAfee.com Dispatch.] *** VIRUS ALERT - W32/Navidad@M Dear McAfee.com Dispatch Subscriber: W32/Navidad@M is an Internet worm that spreads using the Windows email program Outlook. McAfee AVERT has given it a risk assessment of MEDIUM-ON WATCH, due to a significant increase in infection levels worldwide. The email can come from addresses that you will recognize. Attached is a file named NAVIDAD.EXE and when it is run, it displays a dialog box entitled, "Error" which reads "UI". A blue eye icon then appears in the system tray next to the clock in the lower right corner of the screen, and a copy of the worm is saved to the file "winsvrc.vxd" in the WINDOWS SYSTEM directory. If your PC becomes infected with the W32/Navidad@M worm, all subsequent emails addressed to you will be responded to automatically with an email from your address with the W32/Navidad@M worm as an attachment. Click here for detection and removal instructions: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1956 MCAFEE.COM CLINIC SUBSCRIBERS: If you don't have ActiveShield installed and/or updated, you are not protected from infection from this worm. Click here to download ActiveShield: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/virusscan/activeshield/default.asp?area=acti veshield If you are not a subscriber to the McAfee.com Clinic please click here to get instant protection: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1957 MCAFEE VIRUSSCAN USERS (notes on detection and removal using McAfee VirusScan): McAfee VirusScan 4.1.00 and above with DAT file 4105 and higher will detect and remove W32/Navidad@M. Click here for complete instructions on removal and repair: - http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98881 --McAfee.com ___Virus Fixes__ Find out more about this virus. Click here to go to the W32/Navidad@M Help Center. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1956 Become a McAfee.com Clinic subscriber and check your system online. To use VirusScan Online, click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1957 Purchase the latest copy of VirusScan, please click here. - http://store.mcafee.com/category.asp?CatID=3CategoryLevel=1rfr=VSCALRT Upgrade to the latest VirusScan. Purchase the VirusScan Maintenance Plan which entitles you to 12 months of upgrades, click here. - http://store.mcafee.com/category.asp?CatID=18CategoryLevel=1rfr=VRSPLN Download the latest DAT files, click here. - http://download.mcafee.com/updates/updates.asp _Anti-Virus Tips Find out how to detect and prevent viruses with these handy tips. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1589 Partners AllBusiness.com - Register for your weekly business newsletter. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1622 Driveway - Free 25MB of online storage. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1623 Dash.com - Download your dashbar: the safest, most complete online companion you'll ever need. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1832 __Special Offer_ McAfee QuickClean: * Improves System Performance * Removes Internet Clutter * Covers Your Tracks...and more! Click here to find out more: - http://promos.mcafee.com/quickclean/default.asp?rfr=QC_1500 This Virus Alert has been issued by the McAfee Anti-Virus Emergency Response Team (AVERT). McAfee.com Support: To contact us about this dispatch, click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1594 Subscribe: If you received this message from a friend and would like to subscribe to McAfee.com Dispatch, click here. - http://dispatch.mcafee.com/sub.asp?s=22 Note: Promotions are subject to change without notice. Click here to view our permission policy. - http://dispatch.mcafee.com/permission_policy.asp Trademarks 2000 McAfee.com Corporation / All Rights Reserved. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
[CTRL] Fw: UN Security Council To Confirm Election?
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: UN Security Council To Confirm Election?This should make you tremble, notice the last paragraph! Were Russians Tipped Off. In Advanced About USElection VoteScam? From John M. Novak - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11-9-00Ask yourself this: What gave these Russian Nationalists the idea that there may be a problem? -John Russian Nationalists Demand Right to Observe 'Undemocratic' US Elections http://www.russiatoday.com /news.php3?id=212773 10-24-00 MOSCOW (Agence France Presse) - Nationalists in Russia's parliament have drafted a resolution demanding the right to observe the U.S. presidential elections, voicing "profound concern" they will be falsified, Interfax reported Tuesday. The resolution says the State Duma (lower house) has "profound concern about the danger of falsification of the results of the U.S. presidential elections, particularly in Texas and California and other territories that were forced to join the United States." It adds that since the United States is a world superpower, "the presidential election campaign in the U.S. must not be considered an exclusive internal affair of that country." The Duma draft, which is yet to come up for a vote, suggests the UN Security Council should confirm the November 7 presidential ballot before it can be declared valid. ((c) 2000 Agence France Presse) ==Existing laws block ordering new vote http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=printArticleID=default-20001110224020The explanation may be as simple as staging a show to convince people that the election process is honest, and dispel the growing suspicions that it is not. All of the many players are acting as though the system is not rigged, and it seems likely that their act will have that placating effect.Of course, it is also possible most of them don't know it is fixed. Not that many people need to know to pull it off.It would be interesting if this little drama backfires on them and blows the lid off rigged elections generally. We are getting a lot of hits to our web site, reading _Votescam_ http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm Also see http://www.votescam.com/ ==Florida Judges Have Power to Upset Elections http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_legal001110.htm- Dear Friends,Many people are asking me what can be done to protect the U.S. Constitution and preserve the integrity of our electoral process. One thing is certain in this regard: Don't allow the courts and the establishment press to declare a revote or illegally award votes to Al Gore. Go to http://www.electionintegrity2000.com/home/f.cfm right now to see how you can help. The email from my friend Bruce Eberle below has more info on this topic. Pass this urgent message on to your friends right now.Joseph Farah - WorldNetDaily
[CTRL] Fw: The Sheriff''s Sale
-Caveat Lector- From: Audrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [A-M] The Sheriff''s Sale AUDREY'S MISSILES A weekly newsletter dedicated to the peaceful reform of the United States government. THE SHERIFF'S SALE Once in a while the little guy wins one. In January of this year I had asked EARTHLINK to return the $119.70 which they had illegally removed from my bank account after I discontinued their service, but they ignored my registered letter. In March I won a judgement against them. With the court fees the debt was $211.70 at that point. I then consulted the small claims legal adviser on means of collection and found that there are a number of ways to go about collecting a judgement in California. The easiest way would have been to snatch it from their bank account! The problem there was to find that bank account. My bank could have told me but they would not. I was advised that I could write EARTHLINK a small check, wait until it came back, and then use the information on the cancelled check to locate the bank account. That might have worked, but I could not think of a reason to write such a check that would be convincing. There were alternatives. One alternative was the sheriff's sale. To me, that one was very interesting. The sheriff in Los Angeles County could be sent to the Pasadena office of EARTHLINK to inventory their computers to find out which ones that could be sold to satisfy the judgement. I opted for the sheriff's sale. It took a few weeks, but the sheriff did pay them a visit. Ah, then we finally got their attention! By that time, with all the collection fees added the amount they owed was $410.02! They paid immediately. I soon had a check in my hot little hand, and I took it to the bank and deposited it. I had to advance the collection fees, but I did get it all back. There are asset search services listed on the internet. The problem is that in the case of a small claim it probably would not be worth the fee that they charge. (One such firm charges $125 to locate a bank account on a no-hit, no-charge basis.) Big companies count on the fact that for a small sum of money a customer just will not do anything about their high handed ways of operating. In my case I think the request for payment was probably put in the round file. At any rate, in a case involving so little money they are not likely to send a representative when the it comes up for trial. Therefore, if the plaintiff can make a respectable case before the judge it will not be contested and a judgement should be ordered in his favor. EARTHLINK and America On Line both make discontinuing their services difficult. In fact, America on Line even had the gall to ask for the last four digits of my Social Security number! They immediately dropped the request when I refused to give it to them. Happily, I am now disconnected from both services, and my October bank statement shows no withdrawal for on line services. Watch your bank toowhen you ask for them to stop payment they may try to have you sign a statement that absolves them of all liability! Oh what the big fellows won't do! It is open season on consumers! http://www.fullsearch.com/asset.html (National) http://www.regnum.com (International) Many others listed under asset searches. READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND THEN GIVE IT TO A FRIEND. No copyright on the content of AUDREY'S MISSILES is claimed since it is our hope that the information in this newsletter will be copied and distributed widely. Topics covered are those which are not adequately treated on TV or in the press. If you live in the 209 calling area end a request to 209 847-7588 for a free fax subscription. E-mail is free anywhere. Paid subscriptions are not accepted. Comments may be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/10/00 (Lawsuit) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe
[CTRL] [NM] Anti-Elian Lawyer Key in e-Gore Bid to Overturn FL Election
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, Nov. 9, 2000 6:00 pm Elian Attorney Tapped by Gore - Red Faces in Miami It was announced today that Miami attorney Kendall Coffey will be a key lawyer for Al Gore in his bid to overturn the election here in Florida. Coffey is not a new name to NewsMax.com readers. Coffey headed Elian Gonzalez's legal team. At the time, NewsMax.com's Jack Thompson reported that Coffey was throwing the legal case so that Reno would have her way. Thompson reported that Coffey failed to take even the most basic steps to protect Elian's rights. Coffey wouldn't file a complaint to the appellate court after the horrific raid on Elian's Miami home and even agreed to Reno's idea of an expedited legal process to speed Elian's return. Thompson warned our readers that, like Coffey, Elian was surrounded by Democratic Party hacks. Coffey was a close associate of Janet Reno, who had been U.S. attorney for Miami. We hear there are lots of red faces in Miami today among the Cuban-American lackeys who, with Coffey, helped give Elian back to the thug named Castro. One is Armando Gutierrez, a public relations flack who controlled all information to and from Uncle Lazaro. Gutierrez is a crony of Coffey. Guiterrez - now this takes real chutzpah - was planning a "celebration" tonight in Miami to congratulate himself and Coffey in what he called "An Evening of Recognition for those involved with the Elian Gonzalez Plight." An e-mail sent out this evening canceled the event. We always felt that there was some higher power working in the Elian matter - the sacrifice of his mother and his miraculous salvation by Donato on the high seas. There was something of an apocalyptic revelation for us when the world saw the Reno storm trooper brandishing the machine gun to grab the boy - and did nothing. Is it more than a coincidence that on this day of high electoral drama, when the Judas crowd sought to gather to congratulate themselves in Miami, Kendall Coffey would reveal his true colors? God does have a sense of humor, we believe. All Rights Reserved © NewsMax.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: UN Security Council To Confirm Election?
This should make you tremble, notice the last paragraph! Were Russians Tipped Off. In Advanced About USElection VoteScam? From John M. Novak - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11-9-00Ask yourself this: What gave these Russian Nationalists the idea that there may be a problem? -John Russian Nationalists Demand Right to Observe 'Undemocratic' US Elections http://www.russiatoday.com /news.php3?id=212773 10-24-00 MOSCOW (Agence France Presse) - Nationalists in Russia's parliament have drafted a resolution demanding the right to observe the U.S. presidential elections, voicing "profound concern" they will be falsified, Interfax reported Tuesday. The resolution says the State Duma (lower house) has "profound concern about the danger of falsification of the results of the U.S. presidential elections, particularly in Texas and California and other territories that were forced to join the United States." It adds that since the United States is a world superpower, "the presidential election campaign in the U.S. must not be considered an exclusive internal affair of that country." The Duma draft, which is yet to come up for a vote, suggests the UN Security Council should confirm the November 7 presidential ballot before it can be declared valid. ((c) 2000 Agence France Presse) ==Existing laws block ordering new vote http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=printArticleID=default-20001110224020The explanation may be as simple as staging a show to convince people that the election process is honest, and dispel the growing suspicions that it is not. All of the many players are acting as though the system is not rigged, and it seems likely that their act will have that placating effect.Of course, it is also possible most of them don't know it is fixed. Not that many people need to know to pull it off.It would be interesting if this little drama backfires on them and blows the lid off rigged elections generally. We are getting a lot of hits to our web site, reading _Votescam_ http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm Also see http://www.votescam.com/ ==Florida Judges Have Power to Upset Elections http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_legal001110.htm- Dear Friends,Many people are asking me what can be done to protect the U.S. Constitution and preserve the integrity of our electoral process. One thing is certain in this regard: Don't allow the courts and the establishment press to declare a revote or illegally award votes to Al Gore. Go to http://www.electionintegrity2000.com/home/f.cfm right now to see how you can help. The email from my friend Bruce Eberle below has more info on this topic. Pass this urgent message on to your friends right now.Joseph Farah - WorldNetDaily
[CTRL] Fw: This should make you tremble
-Caveat Lector- Subject: This should make you tremble This should make you tremble, notice the last paragraph! Were Russians Tipped Off. In Advanced About US Election VoteScam? From John M. Novak - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11-9-00 Ask yourself this: What gave these Russian Nationalists the idea that there may be a problem? -John Russian Nationalists Demand Right to Observe 'Undemocratic' US Elections http://www.russiatoday.com /news.php3?id=212773 10-24-00 MOSCOW (Agence France Presse) - Nationalists in Russia's parliament have drafted a resolution demanding the right to observe the U.S. presidential elections, voicing "profound concern" they will be falsified, Interfax reported Tuesday. The resolution says the State Duma (lower house) has "profound concern about the danger of falsification of the results of the U.S. presidential elections, particularly in Texas and California and other territories that were forced to join the United States." It adds that since the United States is a world superpower, "the presidential election campaign in the U.S. must not be considered an exclusive internal affair of that country." The Duma draft, which is yet to come up for a vote, suggests the UN Security Council should confirm the November 7 presidential ballot before it can be declared valid. ((c) 2000 Agence France Presse) == Existing laws block ordering new vote http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=printArticleID=default-200 01110224020 The explanation may be as simple as staging a show to convince people that the election process is honest, and dispel the growing suspicions that it is not. All of the many players are acting as though the system is not rigged, and it seems likely that their act will have that placating effect. Of course, it is also possible most of them don't know it is fixed. Not that many people need to know to pull it off. It would be interesting if this little drama backfires on them and blows the lid off rigged elections generally. We are getting a lot of hits to our web site, reading _Votescam_ http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm Also see http://www.votescam.com/ == Florida Judges Have Power to Upset Elections http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_legal001110.htm -- -- - Dear Friends, Many people are asking me what can be done to protect the U.S. Constitution and preserve the integrity of our electoral process. One thing is certain in this regard: Don't allow the courts and the establishment press to declare a revote or illegally award votes to Al Gore. Go to http://www.electionintegrity2000.com/home/f.cfm right now to see how you can help. The email from my friend Bruce Eberle below has more info on this topic. Pass this urgent message on to your friends right now. Joseph Farah - WorldNetDaily A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:10:51 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot - SNETNEWS Mailing List - Begin forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [bible_prophecy-l] 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:06:25 EST Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot CNSNews.com Saturday, Nov. 11, 2000 It was a lesson in disbelief for Louisiana fourth- and first-graders who spent about a minute Thursday correctly selecting Democrat Al Gore or Republican George W. Bush from the list of candidates on copies of the controversial Florida presidential ballot."I went to the Internet and printed a copy of the ballot, and passed it out to my students," said Lisa Burns, a fourth-grade teacher at Stockwell Elementary School in Bossier City."I gave them a blue marker to vote for Gore and a red marker to vote for Bush. They did, and I realized 100 percent of my class had been able to vote for the correct person."A first-grade teacher repeated the test in her classroom, asking her students to darken the bubble that corresponded to Gore's name. It took her 6- and 7-year-olds about "one minute" to complete the ballot, Stacey Robinson said, with 19 of 24 selecting the Democrat candidate's bubble.Robinson said she pointed out Gore's name to her students via an overhead projector displaying a copy of the ballot because the majority just learned to read. "I said, boys and girls, each bubble belongs to a name," she said. "There's some grown-ups in South Florida who can't find Al Gore's bubble. Here's his name. Can you find his bubble?"'I Wanted to Vote for George Bush!'Nineteen correctly darkened Gore's bubbles, three selected Buchanan's, one "voted" for Natural Law nominee John Hagelin further down the page - and one intentionally voted for Bush.Even in a first-grade classroom, vote tabulations were the subject of protest and controversy. "I thought we were voting," Brady McCoy, 6, of Haughton grumbled after he was told to find and punch the "Gore" bubble, the Shreveport Times reported."I wanted to vote for George Bush!" And he did.9-Year-Olds Ace the TestThe 9- and 10-year-old students, all 22 of whom completed the ballot "immediately" and correctly, were shocked and amazed to discover adults in Florida had claimed confusion with the placement of the bubbles, Burns said."They were surprised about that," she said. If You Don't Follow Directions, No Second Chance"They were also saying that the adults should have been responsible, asking for help with the directions if they didn't know. One of the things we constantly talk about in this class is if you don't follow directions, and don't ask for help, you don't get a second chance."So they were saying, why should the adults get a second chance," Burns continued.Burns and Robinson initiated the tests purely for educational purposes and as a prelude to civics and current events discussions, they said, and not to make a political statement."If nothing else," Principal Tim Thompson said of the presidential ballot situation in Florida, "this has been a great civics lesson for the whole United States. I would hope most of the schools are using [this controversy] like that in their classrooms." A HREF=3D"http://www.cnsnews.com/"CNSNews.com/A --- Serving His Majesty- Jesus Christ, Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.egroups.com/group/Awakened4JChrist Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. Psalms 122:6,7 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. Isaiah 33:22 YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
[CTRL] FTU: Duval tosses 22,000 votes Unusually high rate to draw closer look
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, November 11, 2000 Story last updated at 1:13 a.m. on Saturday, November 11, 2000 Duval tosses 22,000 votes Unusually high rate to draw closer look By David DeCamp Staff Writer Florida Times-Union Nearly 22,000 Duval County votes for president were nullified after voters chose more than one candidate, the supervisor of elections confirmed Friday, resulting in an unusually high strikeout rate. Supervisor John Stafford and his spokeswoman, Susan Tucker Johnson, attributed the voided presidential votes to a ballot listing 10 presidential candidates over two pages. Voters, they said, probably picked a president on page one, then voted again on the second page. Just the presidential portion of the ballot would then be thrown out, not the entire ballot. The ballots tossed were more than found in Palm Beach County where the focus has been intense. Another nearly 5,000 Duval presidential votes didn't count in the race because they "undervoted," Johnson said, meaning a candidate wasn't selected or voters didn't punch a hole in the ballot hard enough to mark their choice. How the disqualifications affected votes for Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore is uncertain, Stafford and Johnson said. The election office's computer apparently can't separate votes by ballot page. A hand count would be needed, and Stafford said a few precincts may go through such a count next week to judge the voided votes' effects. Though Bush won Duval by about 44,000 votes, the high-stakes contest for Florida's 25 Electoral College votes and the presidency teeters over a few hundred votes and numerous charges of irregularities. A handful of lawsuits have been filed protesting the Palm Beach County vote, in which voters said they were given a confusing ballot. While Republican Stafford and a GOP leader backed the Duval County ballot as legitimate, a local member of Gore's campaign reacted with harsh questions. "John Stafford, in the presence of our lawyer . .. told me there were 200 to 300" votes disqualified, said Mike Langton, Northeast Florida chairman of the Gore campaign. "Now all of the sudden there are 22,000. . . . This stinks all over the place." Stafford, reached last night, denied making such a statement -- and Langton's suggestion that partisan politics may be at play. Langton said he would advise upper leadership of the Gore campaign of the disqualified votes. "I definitely want to see hard evidence of this." Attorney Mark Herron of the Democratic National Committee said last night that the deadline for requesting a manual recount passed at midnight, and the party had learned just hours earlier of the number of nullified votes. Previously, Democrats thought the number was in the hundreds, he said. As more information arrives, Herron said, Democrats will begin to decide their move. Options include contesting the vote, which could effectively give them the same results as a recount request, he said. The total rejected votes -- more than 9 percent of the total Duval voter turnout of 292,000 -- more than tripled the 7,800 votes that were struck from a 1996 election, when there were six fewer presidential candidates. Four years earlier, nearly 6,100 ballots were bounced. That equates to between 2 percent and 3 percent of the ballots being disqualified from the previous two elections. Generally, 2 percent or less of ballots are disqualified for over- or under-voting, said Rob Richie, executive director of the non-profit Center for Democracy and Voting in Takoma Park, Md. "It sounds pretty irregular to me," Richie said of Duval's vote disqualifications this week. "Out of [nearly] 300,000 votes, that's extremely high." The disqualified votes for president didn't necessarily ruin all ballots. Indeed, the nixed votes also raised eyebrows because they left the lower-profile U.S. Senate contest with nearly 10,000 more total votes than the presidential race, which historically is the big draw to the polls. Stafford said the high number of disqualified votes were discovered Wednesday. They were reported to the state along with problems with voting access related to the motor-voter law and difficulty with a counting machine as part of the vote certification process. "It puts us under scrutiny. I don't like it when anybody loses their votes," Stafford said. ". . . Bottom line is, I feel like we had a fair ballot and so does the canvassing board." Mike Hightower, chairman of Bush's Northeast Florida campaign, suggested the problem was voter error, not misdeed or mistake over the ballot by election officials. "We make the assumption that all of our voters read directions," he said. Langton pointed to a parallel between the disqualified votes in Duval and the ballot strife in Palm Beach County. There, 19,100 votes were rejected by voters picking more than one candidate for president. "We'll probably be the next Palm Beach County," Stafford rued. The Palm
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade...]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/2000 11:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you getting senile Prudy? It was Clinton/Gore who pushed Mai and Fasttrack. Gore IS the NWO. You're right, and every other piece of s (ahem--the agenda that Bush left). Both sides are deep in it. Still, the Dems are stoppable sometimes. The Republicans do what they want to do. Right now, it's looking like we have a Republican president coming (he's an idiot, but his dad and all the cronies from the Reagan/Bush years will be running things) along with a Republican controlled Congress. By the time the next four years are over, they will probably have suspended the Constitution (you know, that thing they all carry in their pockets, but consider the joke of the age). Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:50:52 -0800 From: Arthur Hickman Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Editor - wnd.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fox News [EMAIL PROTECTED], George Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mr. Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rush [EMAIL PROTECTED], Snet News [EMAIL PROTECTED], "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gordon Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jesse Helms [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ashcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joseph Biden, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Sarbanes [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Brownback [EMAIL PROTECTED], Al Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Barbara Mikulski [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gordon Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hillary Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jesse Helms [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ashcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joseph Biden, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED], Madeleine Albright [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Sarbanes [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Gephardt [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Brownback [EMAIL PROTECTED], "International Relations [House]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot - SNETNEWS Mailing List 9-Year-Olds Ace Florida Ballot CNSNews.com Saturday, Nov. 11, 2000 It was a lesson in disbelief for Louisiana fourth- and first-graders who spent about a minute Thursday correctly selecting Democrat Al Gore or Republican George W. Bush from the list of candidates on copies of the controversial Florida presidential ballot."I went to the Internet and printed a copy of the ballot, and passed it out to my students," said Lisa Burns, a fourth-grade teacher at Stockwell Elementary School in Bossier City."I gave them a blue marker to vote for Gore and a red marker to vote for Bush. They did, and I realized 100 percent of my class had been able to vote for the correct person."A first-grade teacher repeated the test in her classroom, asking her students to darken the bubble that corresponded to Gore's name. It took her 6- and 7-year-olds about "one minute" to complete the ballot, Stacey Robinson said, with 19 of 24 selecting the Democrat candidate's bubble.Robinson said she pointed out Gore's name to her students via an overhead projector displaying a copy of the ballot because the majority just learned to read. "I said, boys and girls, each bubble belongs to a name," she said. "There's some grown-ups in South Florida who can't find Al Gore's bubble. Here's his name. Can you find his bubble?"'I Wanted to Vote for George Bush!'Nineteen correctly darkened Gore's bubbles, three selected Buchanan's, one "voted" for Natural Law nominee John Hagelin further down the page - and one intentionally voted for Bush.Even in a first-grade classroom, vote tabulations were the subject of protest and controversy. "I thought we were voting," Brady McCoy, 6, of Haughton grumbled after he was told to find and punch the "Gore" bubble, the Shreveport Times reported."I wanted to vote for George Bush!" And he did.9-Year-Olds Ace the TestThe 9- and 10-year-old students, all 22 of whom completed the ballot "immediately" and correctly, were shocked and amazed to discover adults in Florida had claimed confusion with the placement of the bubbles, Burns said."They were surprised about that," she said. If You Don't Follow Directions, No Second Chance"They were also saying that the adults should have been responsible, asking for help with the directions if they didn't know. One of the things we constantly talk about in this class is if you don't follow directions, and don't ask for help, you don't get a second chance."So they were saying, why should the adults get a second chance," Burns continued.Burns and Robinson initiated the tests purely for educational purposes and as a prelude to civics and current events discussions, they said, and not to make a political statement."If nothing else," Principal Tim Thompson said of the presidential ballot situation in Florida, "this has been a great civics lesson for the whole United States. I would hope most of the schools are using [this controversy] like that in their classrooms."A HREF="http://www.cnsnews.com/"CNSNews.com/A [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/1/_/410147/_/973908401/ -_- - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade...]
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/2000 11:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you getting senile Prudy? It was Clinton/Gore who pushed Mai and Fasttrack. Gore IS the NWO. You're right, and every other piece of s (ahem--the agenda that Bush left). Both sides are deep in it. Still, the Dems are stoppable sometimes. The Republicans do what they want to do. Right now, it's looking like we have a Republican president coming (he's an idiot, but his dad and all the cronies from the Reagan/Bush years will be running things) along with a Republican controlled Congress. By the time the next four years are over, they will probably have suspended the Constitution (you know, that thing they all carry in their pockets, but consider the joke of the age). Prudy This could be a good thing. By that time the right will feel about Republicans the way the Left got to feel about the DemocRATS. Then there will be an impetus for new parties. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What goes around comes around. Hee hee heee.
-Caveat Lector- Agence France PresseNovember 10, 2000 Africa Offers To Send 'Observers' To Help U.S. End Poll Confusion PARIS - African nations suggested Friday sending 'observers' to the United States to help overcome presidential poll confusion as the world's press argued over whether it was witnessing electoral chaos or simply democracy in action. "International observers should be put in place" because "the United States must join the established democracies," said South Africa's daily Star. A top aide to Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe endorsed the idea: "perhaps now we have reached a time when they can learn a lot from us. Maybe Africans and others should send observers to help Americans deal with their democracy." Others fantasized about observers dressed in Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shorts, alongside UN Blue Helmets, investigating Al Gore's campaign claim there were "serious and substantial irregularities" in the ballot. "It is a shameful reflection on our continent that, in the US's hour of need, we were not there beside our American brothers and sisters to help and advise where we could," said an editorial in South Africa's weekly Mail. As the presidential vote cliff-hanger threatened to drag on into next week, there was widespread surprise this could happen to the world's most famous democracy. "An American legend collapses -- suspicions of fraud in US vote," ran the headline in Turkey's mass-circulation Hurriyet daily. "Even in the United States there is electoral fraud," the Bulgarian financial daily Curentul wrote. Congo's independent La Reference Plus said Thursday the US vote provided "strong arguments for bad leaders and dictators in Africa." "If this happens in the United States, how do you want everything to be clean and transparent in the poor African continent," added the daily. Portugal's Diario de Noticias also echoed the view that democracy was being undermined: "In the end, this (US vote) is bad news for democracy in America. And in consequence, is bad news for democracy." But the French press dismissed that notion, saying the true winner in the US presidential elections was, in fact, none other than democracy. "The current crisis will be overcome," wrote the conservative daily Le Figaro, dismissing claims the chaos will damage the US. "In spite of waiting two more days and playing with the nerves of onlookers, it's only the vote count -- precisely because every vote counts - - which determines the outcome of the vote. That is democracy." Democracy is imperfect but "it's worked for two hundred years. And not that badly," it said. Britain's press, however, began dividing along party lines, debating the rights and wrongs of attempts of Democrat Al Gore camp to overturn the result in Florida, which his Republican rival George W. Bush won by a whisker, according to the initial count. "Desperate Al Gore began fighting dirty last night in his bid to snatch the US presidency," wrote Britain's best selling tabloid, The Sun. The right-leaning Daily Telegraph echoed this view, saying Gore's team had "opted to challenge the results rather than concede defeat graciously." The Guardian, however, came out in support of the vice president for the sake of US democracy. "It said there had to be challenges to the alleged "possible willful fraud and/or gross incompetence" and called for a re-run of the vote in areas where there had been significant irregularities. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LT: Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics
-Caveat Lector- As President Gore is supposed to help the American people it seems as if many of those people are upset and he is going to bat for them. That is back biting? Poor Baby Shrub is whining about someone trying to do their job, could it be that Shrub was taking the American people for a ride? Also, when I watched election night - it was not the Republicans that announced Florida's results, the stations were watching Florida's official web site. question: Where were the Post's reporters to say the following? "The Washington Post, who wrote: Its a poisonous thing to say in these extraordinary and unsettling circumstances, and Mr Gore makes a huge mistake if he fails promptly to disown it." This next item is really weird, Gore is running for President, is told by the "authorities" that he has won Florida. Should he have tried to give the votes to Bush or have been proud? Disown what, the votes were his. "Mr Gore disowned nothing, and if he did so it would be a disingenuous act. The Vice-President surely approved Mr Daleys statement." This next statement really takes the cake. Where was this reporter election night? Gore is just backing the American's in Florida that it seems the Bush's would squat on. "Thats what Al Gore has done at a time of crisis. He is trying to get Americans to call into question the rule of law for his own personal gain. After this fiasco, theres every reason to believe he would make an appalling President. The author is a columnist for the New York Post." I wonder what this guy normally reports on? Consider, from what I say Hillary won New York, is this guy trying to butter her up? MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- [Here's another sick twist on things. --MS] London Times-November 11, 2000 Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics IN THE aftermath of Tuesdays voting Al Gore has followed the kind of scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners strategy adopted by President Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal in attempting to sway public opinion in his favour. The campaign continues, his chief aide, William Daley, said after Mr Gore revoked his concession to George W. Bush on election night. Daley wasnt kidding. Election campaigns in this country are increasingly conducted without reference to even minimal decency, but the name-calling usually ends on election day because, once the votes have been cast, it serves no useful purpose. That tradition of civility would have been especially welcome at this unparalleled moment, with the uncertainty about the elections outcome threatening the stability of the somewhat shaky financial markets and surely tempting anti-American forces around the world, who might see the present crisis as an opportunity to test this nations resolve and spirit with terror bombs. Instead, the continuing Gore campaign is fomenting discord based almost entirely on a ballot in one of Floridas 67 counties that had a confusing design. The campaigns claim is that 19,000 voters were disenfranchised because they punched two holes in the presidential ballot. It dispatched the rabble-rouser Jesse Jackson to South Florida to conduct a street demonstration that he shamefully and shamelessly likened to the civil rights protest in the city of Selma, Alabama, in 1965. Disenfranchisement is a very serious charge it suggests a purposeful effort to deny people the right to vote but in the presidential election of 1996, in the same county and with many fewer voters showing up, about 15,000 ballots were invalidated for the same reason. Since the county in question is Democratic in composition and the margin separating Mr Gore and Mr Bush in the state is well under 1,000, the Gore campaign baldly advanced the argument, before the recount was completed, that their man is the true victor in Florida and therefore the rightful President-elect. If the will of the people is to prevail, Mr Daley said, Al Gore should be awarded a victory in Florida and be our next President. It was shocking to see Mr Daley arrogate to himself the role of Jean-Jacques Rousseaus legislator, determining the will of the people through the workings of his own superior intelligence. While it would be forgivable in the midst of an election campaign, it is inexcusable at a time of national crisis. This was astounding not only to conservatives, but to liberals as well, such as the leader-writers of The Washington Post, who wrote: Its a poisonous thing to say in these extraordinary and unsettling circumstances, and Mr Gore makes a huge mistake if he fails promptly to disown it. Mr Gore disowned nothing, and if he did so it would be a disingenuous act. The Vice-President surely approved Mr Daleys statement. At this moment, above all moments, Americans need to be reminded by their leaders that this is a nation governed not by the will of the people, but by the rule of law, which derives
[CTRL] [Fwd: UWA Oxy begins drilling on UWA land! Take Action! (fwd)]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: UWA Oxy begins drilling on UWA land! Take Action! (fwd) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:38:44 -0600 (CST) From: Weekly News Update [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 15:45:16 -0800 From: Patrick Reinsborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UWA Oxy begins drilling on UWA land! Take Action! please circulate widely! OXY BEGINS DRILLING ON U'WA LAND! SOLIDARITY ACTIONS NEEDED! In this Post : 1. Now is the time! Take action for the U'wa! 2. Nov 3 AP story U.S. Oil Co. Drills Near Indian Land 3. Nov 3 Reuters story Occidental drills on tribal-claimed Colombian land -- #1 TAKE ACTION FOR THE U'WA! "We will in no way sell our Mother Earth, to do so would be to give up our work of collaborating with the spirits to protect the heart of the world, which sustains and gives life to the rest of the universe, it would be to go against our own origins, and those of all existence." - Statement of the U'wa People, August 1998 "We are all children of the Earth, help us to defend her." -Berito Kuwar U'wa, spokesperson Traditional U'wa Authority Tens of thousands of activists around the world have been organizing to support Colombia's U'wa people in their struggle to protect their lands and culture from Occidental Petroleum's efforts to drill. The U'wa, like traditional indigenous peoples everywhere on the frontiers of the expanding corporate global economy are in a life or death struggle. We have reached a dire moment in the struggle - as of Nov 3 Occidental has begun test drilling at the Gibraltar 1 drillsite. Hundreds of solidarity actions have happened in cities across nearly 20 countries. In the U.S. U'wa supporters have continually demanded that Vice President Al Gore break his silence on this issue and use his long standing personal and political ties to both Oxy and the Colombian government to help the U'wa. With the drilling now under way it is even more important that we answer the U'wa call for international solidarity actions. Oxy has clearly chosen to begin the drilling at a time when they think they can use America's presidential election to avoid public scrutiny of their criminal actions. It is up to us to break the silence and push Vice President Al Gore to speak out at this critical time. The sacred traditions of the U'wa have been disregarded, their rights trampled as thousands of troops have invaded their ancestral homelands and the future of their people hangs in the balance. The issue is clear - will Al Gore call on Oxy and the Colombian government to stop the project or not? Will Al Gore stand up for human rights and the environment or will he continue to allow Occidental to buy his silence? Contact the Vice President and ask him! Demand he take action! Call/fax the Vice President's office in D.C. phone 202-456-2326 fax 202-456-2685 Internationally go to your nearest Colombian or US embassy! Let them know that there is a global people's movement demanding justice for the U'wa! Mobilize in your own community. Whether its a prayer circle, a rally, a vigil, an informational picket, a fundraiser or an act of non-violent civil disobedience - stand up for the U'wa and make your voice heard. The struggle for justice must take many forms but please remember to make sure whatever actions you take are in keeping with the U'wa spirit of resistance and are respectful, dignified and non-violent. For background information on the U'wa, Al Gore's connections to Oxy and for downloadable materials check out www.ran.org www.amazonwatch.org www.moles.org www.arcweb.org THE U'WA NEED MONEY! In order to continue their resistance and to engage in mass mobilizing the U'wa need tens of thousands of dollars to pay off debts, buy food and supplies! Can you help? Let us know what's happening in your community. Contact Rainforest Action Network at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 1-800-989-RAIN/415-398-4404 ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! #2 U.S. Oil Co. Drills Near Indian Land AP Online 11/03/00, 9:22p (Copyright © 2000, AP Online) By JARED KOTLER Associated Press Writer BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - In a step a Colombia Indian tribe says spells death for its culture, an American oil company began test drilling on Friday just outside the tribe's reservation, the state-run oil company announced. Leaders of the U'wa Indian tribe have protested the Occidental Petroleum Corp. project for years, at one point even threatening a mass suicide should the company be allowed to drill in the area near Colombia's eastern border with Venezuela. The 8,000-member U'wa nation has likened oil exploration to draining the "blood of mother earth." The group also fears that oil exploration close to its home will
[CTRL] Just a little reminder about American democracy.
-Caveat Lector- No matter which Big Business flunky wins the election, 75% of the rest of the country's eligible voters doesn't want him. 51% didn't vote because they didn't want either one of these candidates ( among other reasons ). 25% voted for Bush or Gore, one of whom will lose. Total = 75% of Americans don't want the next President. I dare anybody to call this democracy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 19,120 Palm Beach ballots thrown out
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/09/2000 2:58:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "That total is a high number," said Palm Beach County Commissioner Carol Roberts, who is part of the canvassing board that is conducting a recount of the presidential race. Only 3,783 voters made the same mistake on the U.S. Senate section of the ballot. On Wednesday, hundreds of Al Gore supporters called the county elections office, saying the punch-card ballot was so confusing they thought they may have accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan instead of Gore. I'd love to be able to actually see these double punched ballots--whose word are we taking about them? Ahh if I could only trust Jeb. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) SPECIAL: A Letter That May Interest You
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/09/2000 4:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How low can you people get? Low enough to remind you that ex-President George Bush elected Texas for the same reason. I believe the family spend most of their time in Maine. The term tax dodger is not necessarily demeaning. It just refers to people smart enough to make the most of the fact that all states are not alike in regard to taxation. Let's think about all those citizens with dual citizenships. How's about our Microsoft tycoon who is a citizen of Belize? It is the desire of the rich and the corporate elite to evade taxes that has led to the entire Bush campaign. Tax evasion is not a crime. I'd like to think of the election as being decided by a group of people with enough intelligence that they have selected a home state where they will not be taxed to pay for services they cannot receive. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Election Hangover Photo
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Nov 2000, at 21:21, Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- He looks drunk to me, or at least has a bad hangover, or perhaps flesh eating disease from injecting Mexican brown heroin (the latter is meant as humor). http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,500278519-500436586-502 785232-0,00.html Chronic sleep deprivation does the same thing to me. The last photo I saw of Gore wasn't too pretty either. These guys have been pushing themselves too long. ### No one is spared, when freedom fails The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cried appease. appease! Are hanged by those that they tried to please. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) United States of Albania?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:32:28 -0800 To: undisclosed recipients [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:United States of Albania? This is the most chilling thing I can ever recall reading, and unfortunately it "rings true." It's also somewhat long (for those of my young friends who attend public school, and therefore whose attention spans are short g), but definitely worth the read. Remember last month when the Russians were voting on sending "poll watchers" to the U.S., and folks over here thought they were just joking, or being evil, nasty and presumptuous? Hah! I'm beginning to suspect they simply had "advance notice." And were we not being "evil, nasty and presumptuous" in our intrusions into Serbia and the like? My God!!! I admit to being a total amateur in the political scene, but I do have an IQ higher than my hat size. Never, in the depths of the unConstitutional Viet Nam war or anywhere else, have I ever been truly ashamed of our beloved country. I am now. As an e- mail buddy of mine suggests, perhaps it's time to "dust off the muskets." ~Olga = http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/9/162749.shtml United States of Albania? Daniel McAdams Thursday, Nov. 9, 2000 The "people power" that has taken to the streets of Florida today, courtesy of the Democratic Party and the Rev. Jesse Jackson, is not so different from the mobs that have taken to the streets of the new democracies of Central and Eastern Europe when a vote was being stolen. And no, they are not "defending democracy" but rather they are a critical force-multiplier in the cheating process itself. The pattern may not be familiar to the American public, but as one who has observed elections throughout the former communist world, including those that have ended in violence and massive fraud, the pattern, to me, is unmistakable. What is happening in Florida and to a lesser degree in places like St. Louis and elsewhere follows a game plan that has yet to fail: first rule is, delay delay delay. Do not let any official results be announced. The longer you can delay, the more doubt is cast on the elections and the more time there is to manipulate the results. Second, latch on to a legitimate issue and marry it to an illegitimate one until the original issue is completely lost. In Florida a recount was automatically called because of a very close race. But who now is talking about the real reason for the recount? Not CNN, not the networks and the liberal talking heads, not the American people. The issue has successfully been reframed. A group of seniors, who had received a sample ballot in advance of the election and presumably had made their selections, are said to have been somehow tricked into voting for Pat Buchanan instead of Vice President Al Gore. The claim of foul play flies in the face of reason: The ballot was designed by a Democrat with no malice intended. It had been publicly available before the elections. This was initially said to involve some 3,000 voters, which conveniently would have bridged the gap of George W. Bushs 1,500-vote lead. But this wasnt enough. By the time the fraudsters had gotten Americas attention yesterday with this spurious claim, the stakes were raised even higher. Some 19,000 ballots were said to have been invalidated in Palm Beach County because there were multiple votes for president. This was blamed on the "confusing" ballot. The rules are simple, though: if while voting a voter makes a mistake, he may request a new ballot and correct that mistake. Florida voters get up to three tries to get their voting right. Seems fair. Several individuals who took advantage of this "second chance" were interviewed on television. With chaos successfully reigning, the accusations and claims have grown exponentially. Yesterday a Democratic Party official was interviewed on CNN claiming "thousands" of examples of "voter intimidation," where many victims were African-American. She was unable to provide a single verified example, but no matter. The goal is merely to take advantage of the delay to introduce new factors into the equation. No longer was this about a close race, but about racial discrimination. This opens the door for the federalization of the Florida election, which appears to already have begun. The next rule in the vote fraud game as I have witnessed it in the former communist world is, if you cannot overturn the election results the next best thing is to delegitimize the election. Americans will no doubt be shocked to find themselves compared to Albanians, but the 2000 presidential election here is shockingly similar to that in Albania in 1996. There, the former Communist Party pulled out of the elections just before the polls closed, claiming massive vote fraud
[CTRL] Fwd: [NA] ABC Orders Votescam Book! Cong. Tauzin Calls for Hearings on VNS!
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." attributed to Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin November 12, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire ABC Orders Votescam Book! Cong. Tauzin Calls for Hearings on VNS! Talk about progress! Read this e-wire. Its short and sweet. Someone unknown at ABC TV Network one of our 5 favorite targets has ordered the book, Votescam: The Stealing of America through the votescam.com website. Victoria Collier informed me of this on a Friday night phone call. The unknown person or persons at ABC ordered that the book be OVERNIGHTED to their New York City Headquarters. Vicky Collier has already sent it by Federal Express. Also, Congressman Billy Tauzin (Rep) of Louisiana has announced he is holding hearings in the US Congress on Voter News Service and the recent role played by that entity and the TV Networks on Election Night, 2000. Some reports say the hearings will begin Tuesday. But, in his appearance during the Brian Williams news hour on CNBC on November 10, 2000, Tauzin said he would convene hearings in January when everyone returned to Washington D.C. The suave propagandist, Brian Williams, asked him if the Democrats were behind him. Tauzin basically said he thought everyone wants to get to the bottom of the turmoil caused by the premature exit poll projections. Next, the probing Williams, clearly on a fact finding mission for the Big Media, asked Congressman Tauzin if he planned to call TV executives. Sure, said Tauzin, and we intend to call TV Anchors and reporters too --- we want you to tell us all about the process of how these exit polls get on the air he said. Wwwww! Thats a fast ball right down the middle. If anyone knows anyone who knows Congressman Tauzin or anyone on his Committee or staff, please help us get our experts put on the agenda to testify before that committee. This is an opportunity we MUST NOT MISS. Experts who should be testifying at this committee are: Devvy Kidd (nationally known lecturer and author), Victoria Collier (distributor of Jim Colliers Votescam book), Dan Gutenkauf (Legal researcher of Phoenix Arizona), your writer (humble but lovable, like Underdog), Phillip OHalloran (author of the Relevance article), Christopher Bollyn, investigative reporter for the Spotlight, and Chuck Geshlider, co-founder of PACE (Patriots Assuring Clean Elections). Perhaps Im forgetting others, but the truth must be put ON THE RECORD before these Congressional hearings. Other relevant breaking news: Both the New York Times and Washington Post have lectured Al Gore on this bad attitude about this election. The warning was basically: get ready to concede, Al, and do it gracefully. This further supports our Network America e-wire prediction going back to August 2, 2000 that the Ruling Elite wants Bush and Cheney. However, the hard core second tier leftists in the Democratic Party are trying to find a way to locate enough votes to win this election. These efforts will be short circuited as soon as Al gets talked to at the proper moment, and gives up the ghost on this election. Nevertheless, on Friday, Senator Joseph Leiberman announced that he expects 50,000 absentee votes to arrive from Israel soon! Also, we must note that the recount war seems to be escalating around the country, not diminishing. Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Washington State, and Iowa are more or less -- being moved into the disputed states, as of Friday. Some people I respect are telling me that both sides will escalate the dispute, and, combined with a precipitated grave crisis, a State of Emergency will be declared, thus allowing Clinton to stay in office while the 2000 Election deadlock drones on. I do not subscribe to this view, as I believe it would unnecessarily upset the sleeping majority in middle America. However, my friends counter that no less an Insider than Albert Pike, the high poobah of Freemasonry circa 1860, and reputedly in the upper, upper echelons of the Ruling Elite --- stated in his book, Morals and Dogmas, that it would take three World Wars to bring about world government. My friends, who I respect, think the Ruling Elite is ready to make that move. Its a scary thought, although I dont subscribe to that view at this time. However, the case was put to me as a possibility so convincingly today in light of the escalated confusion regarding the 2000 Presidential Election, that I thought I would pass it along. Ora et Labora. (Work and Pray, the Benedictine Motto.) All things work together for good for those who love God. (From Holy Scripture) Jim Condit Jr., Director, Citizens for a Fair Vote Count The "Ruling Elite", through their five Big TV Networks, AP wire service, and two major papers, the New York Times and Washington Post, are making peaceful change impossible at the ballot box, -- via Vote Fraud, Media Censorship, and Poll Fraud, and the flood of illegal aliens who
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Votescam News 11-11-2000
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/1406/_/973944145/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Wednesday November 8 6:06 PM ET The Story Behind the Near-Concession By SANDRA SOBIERAJ, Associated Press Writer NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Al Gore (news - web sites) set aside the stoic valedictory written for him by an aide and picked up the phone. George W. Bush (news - web sites) did not take his call happily. ``You don't have to get snippy about this,'' Gore spat. The acid of their yearlong fight - character assaults and name- calling, layered onto the Clinton-Gore defeat of Bush's father in 1992 - boiled over as Gore, in an underground office at the War Memorial, insisted that Florida's decisive 25 electoral votes remained in limbo. ``Let me make sure I understand,'' protested Bush, his victory speech in hand. ``You're calling me back to retract your concession?'' Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, chastened on Election Night when it appeared Bush had lost the state, had just assured his brother it was a done deal. And the TV networks had already declared Texas Gov. George W. Bush the 43rd president of the United States. ``Let me explain something,'' Gore lectured in a stony tone, ``your YOUNGER brother is not the ultimate authority on this.'' The conversation, quoted to The Associated Press by two of the 20 or so people in the room with Gore and confirmed by a Bush aide, ended abruptly. Outside, thousands of supporters, sick from the night's roller- coaster drama, shouted ``Stay and fight!'' and ``Recount!'' While campaign chairman William Daley announced, ``Our campaign continues,'' the vice president marched unseen from the Memorial through a side exit. Stranding dozens of friends, family and VIPs in the drizzle, he ordered his motorcade back to the hotel suite where no more than 60 minutes earlier he had telephoned his congratulations to Bush. ``He's fine,'' said Gore's brother-in-law, Frank Hunger, on the sidewalk and looking for a ride. President Clinton (news - web sites) called Gore to second his decision, praise him for a good night and note consolingly that Gore had won the nation's popular vote. On Wednesday, the picture of morning-after confidence, Bush invited news photographers into the dining room of the Governor's Mansion as he, wife Laura, running mate Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and Cheney's wife, Lynne, sat down to a lunch of chilled soup. He recalled his exchange with Gore: ``I felt like I was fully prepared to go out and give a speech and thanking my supporters. ... I thought it was an interesting comment he made and listened to what he had to say and didn't have much to say.'' Gore and most of his family stayed in bed well past noon then waited out the day at a hotel across from Vanderbilt University, where years ago he enrolled in Divinity school to sort out inner conflicts over the five months he served as an Army journalist in Vietnam. Son-in-law Drew Schiff slipped out with the vice president's 16-month- old grandson for some air. ``It's been so emotionally draining,'' Schiff said. With most of his aides barred from the ninth floor, cordoned off for the family and under watch as always by the Secret Service, no one knew for sure what Gore was thinking or planning. Chief strategist Carter Eskew announced Gore would go to headquarters to thank the crew then escape to nearby Center Hill Lake while lawyers sifted through the Florida recount. Press secretary Chris Lehane and others said nothing had been decided. The Secret Service ordered a hotel banquet room cleared for bomb-sniffing dogs and an imminent Gore news conference. They called it off within minutes. At mid-afternoon, former Secretary of State Warren Christopher, summoned to help oversee the Florida recount, slipped toward the elevators and up to meet with Gore, running mate Joseph Lieberman (news - web sites) and Daley. They monitored recount reports from the legal team dispatched to Tallahassee, Fla., by charter jet that morning, and prepared press statements delivered before the Secret Service had a chance to redeploy their aborted security sweep. ``Because of what is at stake, this matter must be resolved expeditiously, but deliberately and without any rush to judgment,'' Gore said from an armored ``blue goose'' lectern brought from the White House but missing its presidential seal. He left without taking questions, the comforting and approving hand of Lieberman on his back. The night before, it was a pager vibrating on the belt loop of Gore aide Michael Feldman that set the Election Night drama careening toward dawn: ``Call switchboard. Call holding with Mike Whouley. ASAP.'' Feldman was
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Votescam Part 2
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/1406/_/973944206/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com GOP Popular-Vote Hypocrisy Fri, 10 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] consortiumnews.com - http://www.consortiumnews.com When Gov. George W. Bush's campaign feared that Vice President Al Gore might slip in by winning the Electoral College though losing the national popular vote, Republican strategists plotted how to block Gore by appealing to public outrage over such an injustice. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. Bush appears to have lost the popular vote but could win the Electoral College if he's given Florida. Suddenly, there's no more Republican talk decrying the antiquated Electoral College. Nor is there any more stirring rhetoric against the injustice of a popular-vote loser taking the White House. For this story, go to Consortiumnews.com at http://www.consortiumnews.com * Fri, 10 Nov 2000 Greg Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/10/costello.qa/index.ht ml Has an interview with the director of Jimmy Carter's Democracy program, which monitors elections in foreign countries. I found it interesting that he is calling for calm over the elections, in light of what you said last night. Quote: Q: Could the Carter Center ever be called in to monitor this election and would you be willing to do so? COSTELLO: Some other people have now raised that question about Carter Center involvement somehow. As I say, the Carter Center typically monitors elections overseas. We didn't do any monitoring of this election. I suppose we would be available as election experts for technical comments on questions people might pose to us. But monitoring or mediating this election? I doubt it. Our leader, President Carter, is of course known as an elder statesman and elections expert from his work in this field overseas. Obviously, he was a Democratic president of the United States, so people would find it hard to accept him in any role here. He did make a statement Thursday at the National Press Club in Washington about the election. It was basically the same kind of message we give in similar circumstances overseas. And that is: Everybody should stay calm, let the people who are directly involved in it go at it in a thorough and professional way, and try to keep political passions from being inflamed by the kind of public discourse that's used. Also make sure that this thing is channeled into American institutions, such as election commissions, the courts, and a free press, for a full treatment in a way that keeps this thing done according to the rule of law, according to proper procedures and in a civilized and peaceful way. The fact that the country was so evenly split about who should control not only the presidency but also Congress is quite remarkable. In most countries that we work, that would create immediate dangers of civil unrest and a struggle over power. I think the great good fortune of us here in the United States is that we have full confidence that this will be worked out according to election laws. Therefore, everybody should stay calm and let this get settled the proper way. * The Elderly Jews of South Florida... and 62 Years Ago Tonight Fri, 10 Nov 2000 Mike's Message [EMAIL PROTECTED] November 10, 2000 Dear friends, There was something about yesterday's demonstration in front of the courthouse in Palm Beach County that profoundly moved me. Hundreds of elderly Jewish citizens, many in tears, demanding, begging for someone to listen to them. They tried to explain that the ballot they voted on was so confusing they feared that they had actually voted for Pat Buchanan (a man who once said "Hitler was an individual of great courage") instead the man they wanted for president, Al Gore. Rather than being heard, they have been ridiculed across the country as being "stupid," "ignorant" or "sore losers." They are portrayed as a bunch of whiners, old people who maybe shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car, let alone in the voting booth. Get off the road, you're messing up the election for the rest of us! This is the tone of much of what I have heard in the media and on the street: You had your chance, you idiot, you screwed up your own ballot, now shut up. I find it more than ironic -- actually, downright abhorrent -- that, in addition to the thousands of ballots that have been thrown out, at least a few hundred of these senior citizens' votes, through what appears to be an illegally constructed ballot, will end up being counted for a right- wing, anti-Semitic like Mr. Buchanan. South Florida has perhaps the largest population of
[CTRL] Steal Something Day!
-Caveat Lector- A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Celebrate STEAL SOMETHING DAY November 24, 2000 Participate by participating! a shameless 24-hour stealing spree! http://adbusters.tao.ca For the past nine years, a few self-described "culture jammers" from Adbusters Magazine have dubbed the last Friday in November "Buy Nothing Day." From their stylish home base in Vancouver's upscale suburb of Kitsilano, the Adbusters' brain trust has encouraged conscientious citizens worldwide to "relish [their] power as a consumer to change the economic environment." In their words, Buy Nothing Day "[p]roves how empowering it is to step out of the consumption stream for even a day." The geniuses at Adbusters have managed to create the perfect feel-good, liberal, middle-class activist non-happening. A day when the more money you make, the more influence you have (like every other day). A day which, by definition, is insulting to the millions of people worldwide who are too poor or marginalized to be considered "consumers." It's supposed to be a 24-hour moratorium on spending, but ends up being a moralistic false-debate about whether or not you should really buy that loaf of bread today or ... wait for it ... tomorrow! Well, this year, while the Adbusters cult enjoys yet another Buy Nothing Day, accompanied by their fancy posters, stickers, TV and radio advertisements and slick webpages, a few self-described anarcho-situationists from Montreal's East End are inaugurating Steal Something Day. Unlike Buy Nothing Day, when people are asked to "participate by not participating," Steal Something Day demands that we "participate by participating." Instead of downplaying or ignoring the capitalists, CEOs, landlords, small business tyrants, bosses, PR hacks, yuppies, media lapdogs, corporate bureaucrats, politicians and cops who are primarily responsible for misery and exploitation in this world, Steal Something Day demands that we steal from them, without discrimination. The Adbusters' intelligentsia tell us that they're neither "left nor right," and have proclaimed a non-ideological crusade against overconsumption. Steal Something Day, on the other hand, identifies with the historic and contemporary resistance against the causes of capitalist exploitation, not its symptoms. If you think overconsumption is scary, wait until you hear about capitalism and imperialism. Unlike the misplaced Buy Nothing Day notion of consumer empowerment, Steal Something Day promotes empowerment by urging us to collectively identify the greedy bastards who are actually responsible for promoting misery and boredom in this world. Instead of ignoring them, Steal Something Day encourages us to make their lives as uncomfortable as possible. As we like to say in Montreal: dranger les riches dans leurs niches! And remember, we're talking about stealing, not theft. Stealing is just. Theft is exploitative. Stealing is when you take a yuppie's BMW for a joyride, and crash into a parked Mercedes just for the hell of it. Theft is when you take candy from a baby's mouth. Stealing is the re-distribution of wealth from rich to poor Theft is making profits at the expense of the disadvantaged and the natural environment. Stealing is an unwritten a tax on the rich. Theft is taxing the poor to subsidize the rich. Stealing is nothing more than a tax on the rich. There is solidarity in stealing, but property is nothing but theft. So, don't pay for that corporate newspaper, but steal all of them from the box. Get some friends together and go on a "shoplifting "spree at the local chain supermarket or upscale mall. With an even larger mob, get together and steal from the local chain book or record store. Pilfer purses and wallets from easily identified yuppies and business persons. Skip out on rent. Get a credit card under a fake name and don't pay. Keep what you can use, and give away everything else in the spirit of mutual aid that is the hallmark of Steal Something Day. Download our detourned poster http://adbusters.tao.ca, make copies and stick it up wherever you can. And don't forget, send your scamming and stealing tips to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. See you next Steal Something Day which, unlike Buy Nothing Day, happens every day of the year. ** The A-Infos News Service ** News about and of interest to anarchists ** COMMANDS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] REPLIES: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ainfos.ca/ INFO: http://www.ainfos.ca/org -To receive a-infos in one language only mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] the message:
[CTRL] Fwd: Mihra requests : Cannabis
From Roger Bunn Music Industry Human Rights Association. London. Dear Dana, This missive is not really for open publication on the 'net for a while. Thank you for cutting down on the amount of postings sent to this office. My role is becoming central to the issue here, but it doesn't need lots of proof that the laws against cannabis use is one of "facist origin" these days. A new type of pro cannabis campaign? I join the UK Czar's "think tank" at the end of the month. However, as the most "forward thinking" of the "new breed" of "anti drug" consultants, my role within it may not be easy. Therefore I may need some "local back up" and it is most important that any of you on this list with knowledge of people "willing to lay they lives on the line" in the UK. To transfer this message to them. In that next year, after the elections, I shall be looking around for people here willing to open coffee shop protests. To openly deal small quantities. I am just back from Holland after meetings with coffee shop owners, who have suggested that this "infiltration into the UK establishment", (with full knowledge of the establishment) has to be conducted at a reasonable pace and not instantly. We want to begin to open "coffee shops" in the UK, but at the correct "tempo". However, in the first instance, and to gain publicity, some po'souls, protected by this office and a new campaign run from London, must be prepared to make a sacrifice I consider this most important as the USA holds thousands of cannabis criminalised prisoners behind bars and making profits for the "state". And I also consider that, as the bones of fresh legislation on this subject drifts to and fro between the UK and the USA. The initial idea for confiscation of assets, came from Jon Hiseman, famed (but neo "straight" ) jazz drummer while having dinner with a UK High Court judge, his father-in-law, who then sent the idea across the Pond, which of course has since been "returned to the UK".. But the Chancellor Gordon Brown took most of it, (£2,000,000) sending a lot back to the USA as a reward for "intelligence". I believe that IF we can get decriminalisation going in the UK, our "cousins" in the USA on the Hill could be brought under pressure from Westminster and beyond. (And if they were not so busy dealing with the Bush Gore things, I would be CCing some Members of Congress this message. As they too need as much help as possible to change laws on the Hill.) Therefore, while thanking you for cutting down on the Email we get here, I also have to ask if you are interested in assisting the above come to fruition and more importantly, if you are willing to work on the UK to bring "more power" by the time I start to tackle the ADCUnit on its policies and education processess being "out of line" in a modern society wherein problems from alcohol and tobacco dominate. And if interested, research and contact those in the UK and Ireland who would be willing to make a CONCERTED effort to bring coffee shops to fruition, one way or another, beginning next year, in the UK. For something good to happen, sacrifices have to made but concerted ones. It's a grey Saturday morning here, one wherein I have to get my butt out of here and collecting donations at the London Welsh V London Irish rugby match, to keep the Mihra show on the road. Things here, although my 69 album with the Dutch National Orchestra and "funky" rhythm section has been put onto CD for future sales, after the campaign against the Burmese military junta, are pretty econ-awful. (So doo let me know if you want to buy a copy).. Yours Roger Bunn ex co-ordinator Anti Apartheid Movement Hon chief ANC Meanwhile? Dear Constitution, Please could you no longer consider yourself so sacred, that the will of the people gets manipulated nor marginalised? Would it be possible for you, especially during a time of crises, not as today during a "lull" in America's conflicts abroad. To change. To make up your mind rather quickly as to installing an electorial system that does not confuse nor dismiss the will of the populace in neither north nor south. And one that adds lustre to one of the most worthy democratic processes in the world? One wherein a seemingly permanent need to defeat the nations right wing, (is there a difference?) such as Nader cannot get a decent hearing, even though such tokenism means that he takes away votes from those to whom he seems closest. It seems right now that as things are running from out of the Oval Office. It's current encumbent, one William Clinton, still hanging in there as husband of Hil. Will have to stay on longer than his term, just to oversee the drawn out results of an election that the world sees as "flawed"? Maybe not, but in this case wherein one family member is allowed to po-lice the voting system in a state or states that are essential to an election of another member. Isn't such an unofficially Bushed "institution" tantamount
[CTRL] OEN 11/11/00
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Not So Private Banking Swiss Bank Posts Account Info on Internet James Bond not amused. ZURICH, Switzerland -- The bank details of several show business stars, including former James Bond actor Roger Moore, were posted on the public Internet for a week as a result of an error by a Swiss bank. A technical glitch revealed the stars' secret bank account numbers, private addresses and money transfers on a Credit Suisse Group Web site, the bank acknowledged on Thursday. That meant that Internet users could get a rare glimpse into account details of such stars as Moore, Swiss entertainer DJ Bobo and German pop star Udo Juergens. The Swiss Blick newspaper said in a front-page story that several stars were affected by the inadvertent publication of details of 675 money transfers, but did not say exactly how many. Credit Suisse, Switzerland's second-largest bank, confirmed the report and said it had shut down a test Web site where the details appeared. 'First-class scandal' "We are investigating how exactly that could have happened and have closed down the page," CS spokesman Georg Soentgerath told CNN.com. "A third person put data in there which should never have gone in there. Unfortunately it could lead to a loss of confidence in the bank." The problem cropped up when a Swiss agency that coordinates royalty payments sent the confidential data to Credit Suisse as a test of its transfer system. But the numbers inexplicably appeared on the bank's Internet banking Web site, Direct.net. "This is a first-class scandal," Juergens told Blick. "How can I feel secure at such an institution?" "I am mad as hell. I am going to close my two accounts at CS," Swiss singer Polo Hofer was quoted as saying. http://europe.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/11/09/switzerland.bank/index.html, November 9, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LES COLEMAN -- IN ISOLATION AGAIN AT ATLANTA
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF="http://www.rumormillnews.com/forum/config.cgi?read=69" LES COLEMAN -- IN ISOLATION AGAIN AT ATLANTA/A - Post Response | Return to Index | Read Prev Msg Les Coleman - Inside Out! LES COLEMAN -- IN ISOLATION AGAIN AT ATLANTA Posted By: RAYELAN Date: Friday, 10 November 2000, 2:13 p.m. ===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=== November 10, 2000 LES COLEMAN POLITICAL PRISONER IN ISOLATION AGAIN AT THE ATLANTA HELL HOLE I talked with Les yesterday for a brief time. The moment he got on the telephone the guard told him his five minutes was up!! In other words, it took the computerized prison phone system five minutes to place the call to me, and this was ALL the time Les was given. In spite of our time limitations, we were able to talk for about two minutes. Les is back in the hell hole at the Atlanta Federal Detention Center. He said that he is being held in isolation 23 hours a day. He gets a phone call every other day. He is in enormous pain and worries that if anything happens to him while he is in isolation, no one will hear his cries for help. Remember, this is how Jim McDougle died! McDougle was thrown in isolation and denied his heart medications. When he began to have heart problems, he could not summon a guard and he died. It was ruled, "natural" causes. We cant let this happen to Les. He is so close to being released! Les said a bus is coming sometime next week to take him to a federal minimum security prison in Kentucky. Please join with me in a prayer that Les survives his stay in the Atlanta prison until he can be transferred to Kentucky. Also pray that when they transport him, they do not shackle him, hand and foot, using the "black box" which rachets the restraints so tightly that the bound hands are drawn together at the waist so firmly that the prisoner cannot move his hands or his arms. This was the way Les was transported the last time he was moved. The guards put the inhaler for his asthma in his hands, but he could not move his hands or arms, therefore there was no way he could have used the inhaler. If he had had an asthma attack, he could have died! There are new developments in the Lockerbie/Pan Am 103 trial which is being held at Camp Zeist in Holland. The stories are included below. While the stories are getting closer to the truth, they have not yet touched on it. Yesterday a Palestinian terrorist was brought from his jail cell in Sweden. Les has said for six years that it was Palestinians paid by Iran that bombed Pan Am 103. Maybe when the trial at Camp Zeist resumes, this Palestinian will tell the rest of the story and implicate the same terrorists that Les has implicated. If you want to read the story that Les Coleman has been telling for over 6 years, here is the link -- (I have also inserted it at the end of this article.) http://www.rumormillnews.com//pam1.htm You will see that Les's version also includes Palestinians. One of my Sources has said that the Israelis recently released information that the Palestinians were involved in the bombing of Pan Am 103 in order to change anti Israeli world opinion caused by what is currently happening in the Middle East. It is my personal belief that Les Coleman is being held in prison because President Clinton does not want Less version of the bombing of Pan Am 103 to see the light of day. President Clinton wants to rehabilitate Iran in the eyes of the world. If Iran was behind the bombing of Pan Am 103, this would be difficult for Clinton to do. Les has said from the beginning that Iran paid millions of dollars to Palestinian terrorists to bomb an American airliner. The Iranians wanted to down an American airliner because the United States Navy shot down an Iranian Airbus filled with over two hundred civilians. At the moment, President Clinton is still trying to rebuild relations with Iran, therefore, Iran CANNOT be implicated in the bombing of Pan Am 103. If Les Coleman can stay alive long enough for George W. Bush or someone other than Bill Clinton, to be sworn in as President, Les's version of the bombing may be finally be told. It is up to those of us who know the full story of how Les has been repeatedly jailed, on fabricated charges in order to silence him, to keep him alive until we have a new president. (Hopefully we WILL have a new president!) Doretta has posted a sample letter to the Bureau of Prisons. There is a fax number. Please take the time to print it out and send it today. Things usually happen to prisoners over the weekend when no one is able to reach them. Also take the time to read Doretta's recent posts regarding Les. For those of you who have faxes, please take the time to print out the Sample letter to BOP and send it today! The sample fax is at the end of this email. (I just realized that today is a Federal holiday so faxing it today will do no good. But please fax it anyway so it will be there on Monday.) Thank you very much,
[CTRL] Long Ignored, Expatriates Discover They Really Count
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF="http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/SAT/FPAGE/absent.2.html" Long Ignored, Expatriates Discover They Really /A - Paris, Saturday, November 11, 2000 Long Ignored, Expatriates Discover They Really Count Doubts About Recount Harden Partisan Tone By Warren Obr International Herald Tribune John Woyten of Key West, Florida, who is studying economics at the London School of Economics, said Friday that he found the intense interest in his state's absentee voters a little daunting. ''It's kind of strange,'' he said, ''being 22 years old and maybe deciding the leader of the free world.'' As unofficial tallies tightened the Florida vote count to a razor-thin margin, Mr. Woyten was part of a group of voters who not only could play a crucial role in deciding the next U.S. president, but who also have never been polled and often feel ignored by the U.S. government: Americans living overseas. Dorothy van Schooneveld, an American Citizens Abroad official who works for the World Health Organization in Geneva, said she hoped that situation would now change. ''This election,'' she said ''is an incredible boon to all of us at home and abroad who have clamored for appreciation of the absentee voter.'' Ask Andy Sundberg, a co-founder of American Citizens Abroad and now a businessman in Geneva, whether he is happy that the Florida election recount had focused world attention on the potentially decisive role of American voters overseas, and he reels off facts and figures and anecdotes and arguments. The short answer is ''yes, absolutely.'' Americans abroad, whose numbers Mr. Sundberg puts at 4 million (using State Department figures that do not include the military), are numerous enough that if they were a state, they would be 24th in population, with two senators and five or six representatives. If a foreign country, he said, they would have more people than 70 UN members, he said. Overseas Americans outnumber Puerto Ricans and residents of the District of Columbia, who do have representation in Congress. ''It could be the best thing that ever happened to put us on the map,'' Mr. Sundberg said in a phone interview from his Geneva home. ''Maybe, just maybe, some candidates in the future will say, 'We ought to think about addressing some of their concerns.''' Mr. Sundberg, who was Democratic Party chairman overseas from 1981 to 1985, added that he liked to think that even the slightest acknowledgment from either candidate before Election Day might have had an impact in Florida. John G. McCarthy Jr., who headed the Republicans Abroad organization from 1989 to 1993, had a slightly different take. ''My feeling is the Republican Party has paid a lot of attention to the overseas vote,'' he said. Mr. McCarthy pointed out, and the world has learned recently, that it was because of votes from Americans Abroad that Senator Connie Mack, a Florida Republican, went to bed on election night in 1988 thinking he had lost but awoke to find out he had won. Mr. McCarthy also said that absentee overseas voters helped make the difference in a narrow House election won by a former U.S. Navy ''top gun,'' Randy (Duke) Cunningham, in California. It is because of races like these, Mr. McCarthy said, that he prefers a system that allows overseas Americans to have even a marginal impact on many races across the United States as opposed to a system Mr. Sundberg favors, in which they would elect their own representatives to Congress. Jim Hearne and Maria DeLong, husband and wife living in Guatemala City, where they publish a newsletter about retiring to Guatemala, also said they generally did not think that Americans abroad were underserved or underrepresented by the current U.S. political system. ''Personally, I feel there is no problem,'' Mr. Hearne said. ''I believe ex-pat Americans, no matter where they are living, should not seek being placed in a special class or constituency. The large majority are in the ex-pat position by choice. For employees of state or other governmental agencies, they should address their concerns within that organization and not from behind the shield of another real or quasi-lobby group.'' By one measure, complacency was the only unifying political thread among Americans overseas. Of approximately 45,000 Americans living in Hong Kong, for example, only a few hundred, in roughly equal numbers, have registered with either Democrats Abroad or Republicans Abroad. Mr. McCarthy said that historically the turnout among overseas voters had been in the high 30 percent range. Mr. Sundberg said that part of the reason for the low participation was lack of information among those overseas about their rights and about how to go about registering and voting. Once they learn those things, he said, they tend to vote at a high rate.
[CTRL] Who Won? Bookies Don't Care
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40113,00.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40113,00.html" Who Won? Bookies Don't Care/A - Who Won? Bookies Don't Care by Joanna Glasner 12:15 p.m. Nov. 10, 2000 PST An ocean away from this most chaotic spectacle that is the U.S. presidential election, operators of a prominent British political betting house are enjoying the show. "To be brutally honest, we don't really mind. We make money regardless of which of them wins," said Graham Sharpe, spokesman for William Hill International, a Yorkshire bookmaker that takes wagers on electoral races and sporting events. For the dead-heat presidential race of 2000, the bookmaker collected $750,000 in bets over a period of more than two years. On the eve of Election Day, the final tally placed Texas Gov. George W. Bush as the favorite. The way the spread worked at the close of betting, a $2 bet placed on Bush would pay back just $3 if he won, while the same amount bet on Gore would pay back $5. Whatever the outcome, the bookmaker gets a small cut of the overall proceeds. Of course, the only problem with that scenario thus far is there hasn't been an outcome. Officials at William Hill -- which collected nearly a third of its wagers from online bettors, mostly based in the U.S. -- are still about as clueless as a Florida election supervisor about when it will actually make a payout. Sharpe says he's hoping election officials will declare a winner next week, at which time the bookmaker expects to pay the winning betters. He said the bookmaker almost certainly won't wait for a pending Democratic Party lawsuit over a controversial ballot to wind its way through the court system. In the meantime, the betting house has received numerous complaints from bettors impatiently waiting to collect their winnings. "We told people to please address your complaints to the White House and not to us," Sharpe said. Despite the nefarious qualities routinely attributed to bookmakers, he said: "This time even we can't be blamed for having manipulated the outcome of the U.S. election." While presidential-election betting is over, submissions are on the rise for some other long-term political wagers. The odds for a long-shot bet on whether First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton will eventually become president have narrowed from 50 to 1 to 5 to 1 in the months leading up to her election as New York senator. Meanwhile, Sharpe said he believes the turmoil of Election 2000 -- while not a great image-booster for the U.S. democratic process -- certainly makes for exciting betting. "People are just looking at the spectacle of something so completely unexpected," he said. "Here's the most powerful democracy in the world, and it could all hinge on a few votes someone may have left behind a door or something." Have a comment on this article? Send it. Printing? Use this version. E-mail this to a friend. Feedback | Help | About Us | Jobs | Advertise Editorial Policy | Privacy Statement | Terms and Conditions Copyright © 2000 Wired Digital Inc., a Lycos Network site. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Election Hangover Photo
-Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- He looks drunk to me, or at least has a bad hangover, or perhaps flesh eating disease from injecting Mexican brown heroin (the latter is meant as humor). http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,500278519-500436586-502785232-0,00.html Karen Hughes looked really bad on CNN today also. No makeup, face looking broken out. Worse every day. What's going on? Maybe they got hit by chemtrails? Steve You sure this photo hasn't been OJ'ed? -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sai Baba accused of sex abuse
-Caveat Lector- This article concerns non-graphic allegations of sexual abuse and oral sex (but after the whole Starr thing I doubt even the delicate flowers on this list could be offended). The last paragraph, however, speaks volumes. http://www.theage.com.au/news/20001112/A43335-2000Nov11.html Scandal engulfs guru's empire DIVINE DOWNFALL By PADRAIC MURPHY . Sunday 12 November 2000 R E L A T E D Divine downfall For Hans de Kraker, a trip to India to see Sathya Sai Baba, a self-proclaimed god with a following of up to 25 million devotees, was a spiritual quest. But he said the pilgrimage ended when the 73-year-old guru tried to force him to perform oral sex. Mr de Kraker, who now lives in Sydney, has gone public to alert devotees to a sex scandal that is threatening to undo Sai Baba, by far the most popular of India's new-age gurus. "It is devastating to realise the man you see as a spiritual master is simply conning people for his own sexual gratification," Mr de Kraker, 32, said. "After a while you notice that the people chosen for private interviews tend to be good-looking young males." Mr de Kraker, who first visited Sai Baba's ashram in 1992, said the guru would regularly rub oil on his genitals, claiming it was a religious cleansing, and eventually tried to force him to perform oral sex. He was kicked out of the ashram after alerting senior officials in 1996. Mr de Kraker's story is not an isolated one, and a growing list of alleged victims is threatening to engulf the Sai Baba organisation, which has an estimated worth of $6billion. Droves have left after allegations of paedophilia and the rape of male followers. Sai Baba's main ashram in Puttaparthi, India, is the largest in the world and can sleep up to 10,000 people. That number of people regularly turn out to "darshan", a twice-daily ritual in which Sai Baba walks among devotees choosing people for private interviews. It is in these private interviews that many of the alleged assaults against males between the ages of seven and 30 take place. Former devotees said the interviews usually involved family groups, but when young males were involved they were ushered into a second room, behind what has come to be known as the "curtain of shame". The organisation has been shut down in Sweden after revelations that Conny Larson, now a film star in that country, was molested by Sai Baba. The FBI is looking into similar allegations made by American children and there are investigations into the sect in France and Germany. Both UNESCO and Flinders University in South Australia and Flinders University in South Australia pulled out of a conference organised by Sai Baba in September because of concerns about the guru's sexual conduct. In Australia, the sect is estimated to have up to 5000 followers. It runs schools in northern NSW and Western Australia, and has meditation centres across the country. Now Australian victims are preparing documents to present to federal authorities about the guru's activities. Terry Gallagher, a property developer from Kiama, in New South Wales, regularly visited Sai Baba in the early 1990s and spent three years as the coordinator of the group in Australia. He left the group in the mid '90s after boys in Indian schools run by Sai Baba complained to him of sexual abuse. "Spiritually it is devastating. I'm concerned because of both the sexual abuse of young boys, and the spiritual fraud Sai Baba perpetrates," Mr Gallagher said. Sri Ramanathan, a former Sri Lankan judge and head of the Sai Baba Organisation in Australia and Papua New Guinea, refuses to warn families taking children to Puttaparthi about the allegations. "All god men have these kind of allegations levelled at them, why should I warn people of these allegations, they are just allegations?" he said. "He is a holy man. I know that (these allegations) cannot be proved." Raphael Aron, the director of Cult Counselling, said: "These organisations are run by one individual and there are never any complaint mechanisms. When these sorts of allegations come up, the usual response is that it is some kind of test of faith and the whole thing is denied." Several former devotees who spoke to The Sunday Age said they had been thrown out of Sai Baba's ashrams when they questioned leaders about the charges. The sexual exploits of the guru were exposed 30 years ago by Tal Brooke, a former high-ranked devotee who now runs a cult-watch group in the US. "It appears that now he is out of control. The problem is that people have such faith that these allegations would kill them spiritually," he said from his home in California. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Untold CIA story: TERCENTENNIAL OF YALE UNIVERSITY, 1701 to 2001.
Today YALE is at Princeton. I wonder what the "Bones" men are doing to
celebrate the season's great football match. My Uncle Frank used to go
to every game, on the Princeton side of course. What a game when he had
two sons, one at Princeton, and one at Yale. David at Yale was on the
fencing team, but his career abrupted terminated in his junior year in a
car crash with other Yalies...Uncle Frank continued to take down every
football ever played by Princeton, in a little notebook the size of your
palm. It was a long time since he had been in Europe with Patten,
planning the Battle of the Bulge. And he never missed a game. Perhaps
Uncle Frank is there today with his little black book jotting down each
play...
That's Yale, and that's Princeton to me today. Those Yalies in Coxe cage
keeping warm. A flyer sent to all Yale alumni reads, "Bring your lunch;
we supply soup, bread beverages (wine, beer, soft drinks, coffee/tea).
In a rush? We can also supply a deluxe box lunch...Warm up after the
game with a cup of coffee or hot chocolate before heading home!"
There is nothing like Ivy League fraternity. My father did Cornell, my
sister's brother did Harvard, Uncle John, and so did young John, a
lawyer now with Motorola. But Yale is going to beat them all this year,
with its Events celebrating the TERCENTENNIAL OF YALE UNIVERSITY, 1701
to 2001. Its a major event and you should know about it too.
Last summer I received a flyer from YALE, from the Nathan Hale
Associates. I had never known about this group before. It went into the
file drawer with other promotional junk mail, rather discourteous on my
part even if it does sollicite scarce funds. "As a leader among Yale
alumni, you may already havae received an appeal for an annual gift from
your classmates..." Nathan Hale has always meant something to me, as a
Connecticut boy, having spent my younger life on the southern
Connecticut shore. Nathan Hale is a hero to all buffs of American
history, my strongest subject in the elitist private school I attended
when my father pulled me out of the public school system "to straighten
up and fly right". I think my lowest score in history was a 98 of 100.
American history and its heros kept adolescence already in turbulence by
the Vietnam War spellbound and mystified. A year ago last summer I
returned to Yale with my 14 year old son to tour the torn up renovated
grounds. A work crew successfully banished us from the pits of Freshman
Commons but not before my son and I touched affectionately the lonely
statue of Nathan Hale, standing under the second floor window where I
had first studied some twenty years ago Hegel and Kant, with Stephan
Korner, the European philosopher. And, naturally, Edmund Husserl who in
the 1920s sought to unravel the several interwoven paths which led him
the central insight of his transcendental philosophy. 'A science of
science is necessarily a science of spirit (Geisteswissenschaft). And
driving through Connecticut 's lush back river country, by Lyme and
Hamden, there is the little Nathan Hale schoolhouse, barely visible from
the road. My son and I passed that too, and I was secretly thrilled but
consciously knowing why. And now I read about the The Nathan Hale
Associates Program. To join, John J Lee, Jr ('58, '59 M. Eng. Chairman)
the University urges Yalies to "join a proud tradition almost 300 years
old and a distingusihed group of contributors willing to support and
encourage excellence". No wonder my very good and brillant friend, at
Yale, Varsity Crew for three years, of solid New England stock, refused
to check off the last credit necessarily to graduate and receive his
diploma, just to avoid this fate. There are several membership
categories "to provide the very best opportunities in higher education":
The President's Council ($15,000 and above), Sterling Associate '$10 000
- $14,999), Harkness Associate (Standard oil) $5,000 -9,999), Elihu Yale
Associate ($1,701 to $4,999), Woosley Associate (any relation tothe
former CIA chief, check that out in Bones) at $ 1000 to $1700, and for
the paupers, the right to call themselves, and be honored on the list as
"Alumni Fund Associate at a donation of $500 -$999.
The brochure describes NATHAN HALE: "Nathan Hale was born in Coventry,
Connecticut on June 6, 1755. At the age of fourteen he entered the Yale
Class of 1773. He served as a soldier in Cambridge, New York and New
London and efventually volunteered to be a spy under General
Washington's direction. Disguised as a schoolmaster, he found his way
into the British camps in Brooklyn and New York. He was recognized and
arrested while attemped to return. His papers were found in his shoes --
among them his Yale diploma. (that was dumb!) He was executed on
September 22, 1776, at the age of 21. His last words were: "I only
regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."
I always thought it was "to give to my country", but who am I now to
challenge Yale...
Perhaps I dont have to tell
Re: [CTRL] Steal Something Day!
-Caveat Lector- Nice idea, but I think I'm in court all day that day. Why not just have every day as steal something day? Better yet, once a week or so do what I do and have a "lets eat for free at the supermarket" day. Just go into that corporate cash-cow, get the best salami sticks from the deli, olives, kabana, some cheese and pate (to taste), a few chocolate bars etc. and a container of fruit juice or whatever. As you wander around looking at the mind-control advertisements stuff yourself with the food. When you are ready to leave, take the empty packets out of your pockets, wrap them up real tight and hide them under some potato chips. Then purchase your cheap stuff (toilet paper, tissues, bread) as your cover and leave. Tips: 1: Take a razor blade or small craft knife so you can open the damn packaging without breaking a tooth (although I could see a lawsuit): 2: Buy a packet of lebanese style flat bread to hide everything under as you wander around 3: Take some money in case you get confronted and have to prove you intend to pay for the items you have scoffed. If you do get harrassed (unlikely) just tell them the truth: You got hungry/thirsty while you were shopping and you'll pay for it when you reach the checkout. If you think this is unlikely to succeed, next time you are at a supermarket, take a look at how many people wandering around are chewing as they do so. And remember the store security, what they have of it, is designed to stop people stealing items of value and concealing them on their person on the way out. Carry a bag by all means, and make sure you open it and show it to the saleshumanoid on the way out. This distracts them from any other items you may have hidden, including in other pockets of the bag. Have fun, and don't do anything I wouldn't do. On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:43:31 -0600 Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Celebrate STEAL SOMETHING DAY November 24, 2000 Participate by participating! a shameless 24-hour stealing spree! http://adbusters.tao.ca For the past nine years, a few self-described "culture jammers" from Adbusters Magazine have dubbed the last Friday in November "Buy Nothing Day." From their stylish home base in Vancouver's upscale suburb of Kitsilano, the Adbusters' brain trust has encouraged conscientious citizens worldwide to "relish [their] power as a consumer to change the economic environment." In their words, Buy Nothing Day "[p]roves how empowering it is to step out of the consumption stream for even a day." The geniuses at Adbusters have managed to create the perfect feel-good, liberal, middle-class activist non-happening. A day when the more money you make, the more influence you have (like every other day). A day which, by definition, is insulting to the millions of people worldwide who are too poor or marginalized to be considered "consumers." It's supposed to be a 24-hour moratorium on spending, but ends up being a moralistic false-debate about whether or not you should really buy that loaf of bread today or ... wait for it ... tomorrow! Well, this year, while the Adbusters cult enjoys yet another Buy Nothing Day, accompanied by their fancy posters, stickers, TV and radio advertisements and slick webpages, a few self-described anarcho-situationists from Montreal's East End are inaugurating Steal Something Day. Unlike Buy Nothing Day, when people are asked to "participate by not participating," Steal Something Day demands that we "participate by participating." Instead of downplaying or ignoring the capitalists, CEOs, landlords, small business tyrants, bosses, PR hacks, yuppies, media lapdogs, corporate bureaucrats, politicians and cops who are primarily responsible for misery and exploitation in this world, Steal Something Day demands that we steal from them, without discrimination. The Adbusters' intelligentsia tell us that they're neither "left nor right," and have proclaimed a non-ideological crusade against overconsumption. Steal Something Day, on the other hand, identifies with the historic and contemporary resistance against the causes of capitalist exploitation, not its symptoms. If you think overconsumption is scary, wait until you hear about capitalism and imperialism. Unlike the misplaced Buy Nothing Day notion of consumer empowerment, Steal Something Day promotes empowerment by urging us to collectively identify the greedy bastards who are actually responsible for promoting misery and boredom in this world. Instead of ignoring them, Steal Something Day encourages us to make their lives as uncomfortable as possible. As we like to say in Montreal: dranger les riches dans leurs niches! And
[CTRL] [Fwd: Sunshine: UN Pulls Out of South American Bioweapons Plans]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Sunshine: UN Pulls Out of South American Bioweapons Plans Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:32:31 -0600 From: Edward Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Edward Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of announce - Sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joint Press Release from: Acción Andina (Bogotá) Sunshine Project (US/Germany) Transnational Institute (Amsterdam) ** United Nations Pulls Out of Plans to Use ** ** Anti-Drug Biological Weapons in South America ** NGOs Caution that Dangers Remain in Asia, Colombia, and the US and Call for the UN Drugs Commission and Biological Weapons Convention to Impose a Ban. 13 November - The United Nations has pulled back from proposals to develop and use biological agents to eradicate illicit coca and opium poppy crops in the Andes. Several nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) welcome the change as a positive step; but caution that anti-drug biological weapons programs are still active in Asia and the United States, while proposals exist to start such research in Colombia. The NGOs say that the UN decision to pull out in South America should be the first step toward a global ban on biological agents to eradicate illicit - or any - crops. - Clear Statement: The new position of the United Nations Drug Control Program (UNDCP) unequivocally states "UNDCP is neither implementing, or planning to implement, or discussing the possibility of implementing a biocontrol project in Colombia or anywhere else in the Andes." UNDCP, with the sole financial support of the US and UK, has embarked on a global program to develop biological agents to kill illicit crops. The program has been harshly criticized as dangerous and highly inappropriate for a UN agency by Andean governments, indigenous peoples, scientists, and drug policy, environment, and biological weapons specialists. UNDCP's change of position is a significant policy reversal confirmed in a letter sent to NGOs on November 2nd by a senior official on behalf of UNDCP Director Pino Arlacchi. - US Misstatements: The non-profits warn that US officials continue to make confusing statements claiming that UNDCP is participating in its plans to use biological weapons in the Andes. The US State Department's Andean policy chief Phillip Chicola told Bogotá's El Tiempo on October 20th that UNDCP would conduct research in Colombia on strains of the coca-killing fungus Fusarium oxysporum and other biological agents, despite adamant denials from both Colombia and UNDCP. Last week, a US government official told NGOs that UNDCP is negotiating on its behalf in Colombia. UNDCP says this is false. Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project argues that the US position reflects deep cynicism about international governance and biological weapons proliferation. According to Hammond "If the US used these agents alone, it would be an outright illegal act of war. UNDCP's work on biological weapons is mostly a frightening story of cynical attempts by the US to hijack a UN agency. The US strategy is for UNDCP's involvement to chip away at the sovereignty of target countries and their neighbors, and to reduce US exposure to allegations of biological warfare. Thanks to opposition by civil society, a slumbering UN is waking up to the abuse; but smug US officials still step beyond their bounds, talking about UNDCP policy as if Kofi Annan headed an inconsequential section of the State Department." - Other Research Continues: NGOs warn that UNDCP's withdrawal only applies in the Andean region and that important steps remain to be taken to ensure that biological weapons will not be used anywhere in the war on drugs. Several imminent dangers need to be addressed urgently: - Asia: UNDCP continues to support biological eradication in Asia, with a poppy-killing fungus research project in Uzbekistan. According to Martin Jelsma of the Transnational Institute (TNI), "This US-UK jointly funded project has been running since 1998 without any independent monitoring and may soon have fungi ready to use in opium poppy eradication. UNDCP may have backed out on clear terms from the Fusarium project in Colombia; but it has done so without even questioning its role in the Uzbekistan project. UNDCP defends its mandate to collaborate in developing 'safer eradication agents' using a misleading discourse on environmental protection and blinded by the illusion that total eradication of poppy and coca from the planet is possible in a decade. UNDCP has failed to explain why a UN agency is involved in forced eradication at all, a strategy vehemently opposed by many of its member states." - Colombia: Under US pressure, the Colombian Environment Ministry has prepared a proposal to research biological agents to eradicate coca. Colombian Senator Rafael Orduz, a leading opponent, says "Despite the Colombian government's repeated affirmation that it rejects the use of Fusarium oxysporum for
[CTRL] The Fungus Among Us Has Competition
-Caveat Lector- The Fungus Among Us Has Competition http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/gm0002.htm abstract: That in the race of "Survival of the Fittest" bacteria and fungus evolve faster than humans. Still they want to survive and learn what it is to survive. http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/philo0001.htm Something that I have been attempting to do is see if plagues have had more impact on civilization than religion or anything else. If so, it seems that microbes evolve very fast and that the Earth has a diversity that has not been taken into account. Some of these survive by killing higher life forms like Humans and when they run out of food they go dormant. Thomas Gold The Deep Hot Bioshpere http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/ The Theory of Unlimited Oil One Heretic Predicts More Oil to Be Drilled in the Ground By Kevin Newman March 16 http://more.abcnews.go.com/onair/closerlook/wnt_000316_cl_oilheretic_feature.html Consider, water (H2O) is being used to get these (H)ydrocarbons out of the ground. What does the bacteria that seems to make oil do with the (H)ydrogen part of water and does it release the oxygen part? So, do we ever reclaim the water? They have found that the Earth has a lot more oxygen during some of the dinosaur ages, so could these be tied to how the dinosaurs dying out? Dinosaur Breath by John G. Cramer http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw27.html Has the fact that in nature there are some natural things that keep some things from replicating be what has kept a world wide plague from happening? What is happening in the ocean right now. Science News Jan 30, 1999 http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1200/5_155/54031959/p1/article.jhtml Sea Sickness.(pollution, algae blooms, and climate change affect coral reefs and other marine organisms) Author/s: Janet Raloff http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/CNS1.htm#_Oil__Thomas This next link shows that these items do not break down easily, so what happens if the very plants make poisons? Hemlock anyone? Enjoy your next glass of water, and purification may not do it. May 7 2000 BRITAIN http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/05/07/stinwenws03011.html Anti-depressants get into water system Roger Dobson - Toxic Mercury Found in New England Rain and Snow WASHINGTON, DC, September 19, 2000 (ENS) - Rain and snow falling on the New England states has been found to contain levels of mercury that far exceed what the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considers safe for people, aquatic life and wildlife in surface waters, concludes a new report released today by the National Wildlife Federation (NWF). http://ens.lycos.com/ens/sep2000/2000L-09-19-16.html If you do an experiment: put a stalk of celery in a glass of water with red food dye in a few days you will see the dye as it travels up the plant. plants express items through their stomata items like oxygen, and poisons like pesticides, and herbicides. To make a plant that is poison like nettles are means that the poison will eventually get into the water supply. How? The chemicals sprayed on plants are already showing up in rain water at concentrations that would make the water unsuitable to see as drinking water. This link shows that rain water is contaminated http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/environment_-_current_issues.html+rain+water+switzerlandhl=en http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/environment_-_current_issues.html It seems as if some perfumes are already so loaded with chemicals that the flower expressed that they are as toxic as if you were using the chemical straight from the bottle. The substitutes for these perfumes are about as bad, especially when made from petrochemicals. The alternatives: use of biochips to measure pollution, but not in humans, because these things are DNA based and if they get a virus or fungus will we know? http://thepiedpiper.tripod.com/CNS1.htm#_Biochips Why shouldn't we use biochips or nanites in humans? Because we still have not gotten past this point on thinking that survival is because of multiple insemination. file:///E|/Saved/1_26Oct2000/BakerSpermWars.htm Sixty percent are sleek, racing sperm or "egg-getters." Then there are blockers, which have coiled tails, a big head or numerous heads, or are bent or fat -- their job is to block the new guy's sperm. Then there are killer sperm, which have pointy and poisonous heads that bite enemy sperm in the vulnerable side of the head. It is an obstacle race, moving always to a higher level of danger and the ultimate reward. Instead of this I hypothesis
[CTRL] Fwd: Electoral College may not need Florida electors to choose president!
I've included the two sections of the Constitution following this story I just found on CNN by clicking on their "LAW" section. This story is just an hour old or so as of this emailing. -John - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Electoral College may not need Florida electors to choose president! http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/11/10/election.scenario/index.html November 10, 2000 Web posted at: 7:07 p.m. EST (0007 GMT) By Raju Chebium CNN.com Correspondent WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On December 18, electors from all 50 states are scheduled to pick the president. An 1887 law fixes this as the date for electors to cast their ballots, constitutional law scholars said Friday. Because Florida's votes are still being counted and given the possibility of legal challenges blocking ballot certification, it is remotely possible that Florida may not appoint its share of 25 electors by December 18, the scholars said. That means only 513 members of the 538-strong Electoral College would be available to pick either Democrat Al Gore or Republican George W. Bush to be the next president. Can the remaining electors still pick the president with Florida shut out of the process? Yes, according to Neal Katyal, a constitutional law professor at Georgetown Universitys law school. He said the 12th Amendment to the U.S. only requires a majority of the electors to vote and nothing in the Constitution says all electors must vote. Such a scenario could help Gore, he said. If all 538 members voted, the winner would need 270 votes to be named the next president. But if only 513 electors were present, the requisite majority would be reduced to 257, said Michael Glennon, a constitutional scholar at the University of California-Davis who has written a book on the Electoral College. Gore is closer to 257 than Bush. In fact, until Friday evening, Gore had 260 electoral votes, compared to Bushs 246. After New Mexico was ruled too close to call, Gore lost five electoral votes from that state, bringing his total to 255, while Bushs tally remained unchanged. The likelihood of Florida electors being shut out Joel Gora, an election-law specialist at the Brooklyn College of Law, said it is highly unlikely that Florida will fail to certify its ballot and appoint electors by December 18. Soon after the votes are recounted November 17, I think the state would go ahead and certify unless there is a court order otherwise. And I think thats extremely unlikely as a practical matter, but it is possible. He said allegations over a confusing ballot in Palm Beach County likely would not be sufficient for a Florida judge to put the statewide certification process on hold. Gora also said the U.S. Supreme Court has not had a case requiring the justices to definitively interpret the 12th Amendments Electoral College provisions. The prior constitutional crisis The only time there was a potential constitutional crisis over the Electoral College issue was in 1876, Glennon said. GOP candidate Rutherford Hayes won 185 electoral votes though Democrat Sam Tilden, who had 184 electoral votes, had won the popular election by a razor-thin margin of less than 1 percent, Glennon said. Democrats in Congress overruled one of Hayes electors votes and in retaliation Republicans overruled 19 of Tildens electoral votes, Glennon said. Faced with a constitutional crisis, politicians reached a compromise they appointed a special commission composed of five Democrats, five Republicans and five Supreme Court justices, he said. After Hayes promised to withdraw Northern troops from the South, the commission awarded all 20 electoral votes to Hayes, making him the president, Glennon said. To prevent future Electoral College disputes, Congress passed the Electoral Count Act in 1877. The law left the task of choosing electors to the states, but Congress reserved the power to reject any electors vote if a simple majority of members in the U.S. House and Senate agreed that the vote must not be counted, Glennon said. Yet another scenario Fast-forwarding to 2000, there is yet another scenario under which Florida electors could cast their votes even if the state fails to certify the ballot by December 18, according to Bruce Fein, a constitutional scholar and lawyer in McLean, Virginia. Electors for Gore or Bush could still cast their ballots and leave it up to Congress to challenge individual votes if they choose to on January 6, when the electoral votes will be unsealed and tallied, Fein said. Fein rejected the interpretation of the 12th Amendment and the 1877 law that says choosing electors is a state function. Because Congress has the ultimate authority to accept or reject an electors vote, the issue of whether an elector has been appointed is a matter of federal constitutional law, Fein said. What's most likely to happen (is) both the Gore and the Bush electors would go and cast the ballot whether or not there was an official certification by Florida,
[CTRL] another killer mystery virus/ Brazil/ ProMED
-Caveat Lector- Could this be an escaped GE lab pathogen, a GE pathogen 'trial', or a consequence of the decreasing ability of weakened immune systems to successfully fend off opportunistic infections? ~ M * A ProMED-mail post ProMED-mail, a program of ISID http://www.promedmail.org [see also: Undiagnosed deaths - Brazil (Espirito Santo) 20001018.1797] Date: 10 Nov 2000 16:33:58 -0500 From: Marjorie P. Pollack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: Agencia EFE, 9 Nov 2000 [edited] CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL TO STUDY MYSTERIOUS BRAZILIAN ILLNESS - --- Rio de Janeiro, Nov 09, 2000 (EFE via COMTEX) -- The U.S. laboratories that initially identified the Ebola virus in Central Africa will investigate the outbreak of a mysterious disease in suburban Rio de Janeiro that has killed 5 people so far, the daily Extra reported. The Brazilian Ministry of Health announced it was sending blood samples from each of the victims to the world-renowned Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia, for analysis. "It is not normal to send material to the Centers for Disease Control in the United States for analysis," Hermann Schatzmayr, the head of the virology department for the state-run Fundacion Oswaldo Cruz, said. "That only occurs in extremely serious situations. We do not have the maximum security laboratories that permit the study of unknown viruses and bacteria." Schatzmayr acknowledged that Brazilian laboratories have been unable to identify the virus or bacteria that is causing the strange illness in suburban Rio de Janeiro. The cause of the illness and the way that it is spread remain unidentified, leading Brazilian health officials to be increasingly concerned the illness could reach epidemic proportions and rapidly spread out of control. - -- ProMED-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [We have no further details on this outbreak. We do not know the clinical presentation, laboratory studies that have been performed, number of non-fatal cases, or even descriptive information such as the age and sex of the cases. - Man. Ed. DS] .mpp/jw/ds A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GENERAL SURVEY OF DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Lloyd Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GENERAL SURVEY OF DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER Date: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:06 AM A GENERAL SURVEY OF DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER PATIENTS By Pamela Monday, PhD I am a psychotherapist who has worked, since 1988, with over 60 individuals diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (D.I.D.), formerly termed "multiple personality disorder." Dissociative Identity Disorder is a disorder whereby the mind is split into parts that are "dissociated" or disconnected from the conscious mind. D.I.D. is a result of chronic, extreme abuse. Of these 60 patients, 51 reported perpetrators connected with military bases and with other governmental activities. Most were women; three were men, and 11 were children ranging in age from 3 to 17. The oldest was a man in his 50's, which would mean that his childhood training occurred in the 40's. Most of the women were between 30 and 45. All training began when they were children, most from birth. All 60 of these patients reported multi-generational incest. All had memories of satanic-type, ritualized abuse whereby occult practices, such as invoking the names of demons, drinking blood, sacrificing animals and humans, all types of ritualized sexual ceremonies, and "specialized" rituals such as the marriage to satan ceremony were involved. In some cases, these practices seemed to be the central reason for the abuse (that is, "religious" worship of satan and his demons); whereas in others, the purpose seemed to be mainly to traumatize the child. The trauma serves two purposes: 1) it terrifies the children into believing the perpetrators threats, such as if you tell, we will kill you like this ( or kill your mother, your brother, or other loved one ), and 2) it causes the mind to dissociate into parts so that mind control programming can take place, training the part that is split off by the trauma for whatever purpose the group wishes. In some cases, the memories of satanic abuse included "smoke and mirrors" magic whereby it only appeared that a child was killed (often a child would be drugged, appear to be stabbed, and lowered in the ground in a coffin, only to be brought up later before suffocating; the children watching this were of course terrified and whether they retain the conscious memory or their dissociated parts remember the experience, the end result is that the children were convinced that the child had died). Doubters have stated that this "incorrect memory" of someone being killed when they really weren't challenges the credibility of victims' recollections. But it is the incredible detail when the memory is recalled that stands out. For example, patients have drawn pictures of the various types of knives used for different types of rituals. The one used to skin victims looks very different from the one used to eviscerate them. Each instrument, whether used for torture or killing, often has markings on it that have shown up time and again in different patients' drawings. Children in particular are able to give remarkable details that, unless they have directly experienced it, they would not likely know. For example, a five year old told me "you know when you have to stab the baby in the chest, you have to move the knife around to the side a little and stick it in because there's the hard thing in the way that keeps it from going straight in." (This statement was told to me from a dissociated part, or alter within the child who had a name and a function; the function was solely to be the one who did the stabbing. The everyday child had no conscious memory of this, and could not remember after the therapy session telling me about this event he was amnesic not only for the memory, but during the time part of his mind was relaying this information to me ). These kinds of detailed statements leave little doubt that these people have been through something horribly traumatic. I maintain that whether someone was actually killed or not, a ceremony designed to make people think someone was killed is meant to, and does, traumatize and terrify. Most of the 60 patients had received several diagnoses over the course of years before they had been diagnosed with D.I.D. Typical diagnoses were Schizophrenia, Manic Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder, Major Depression with Psychotic Features, Schizoaffective disorder, and others. Most of these patients had been in therapy on and off for several years. Most of them did not know they were D.I.D. until they found a therapist who knew how to assess for the disorder. . The majority of these patients had been diagnosed with D.I.D.
[CTRL] CONGRESS ACTION: November 12, 2000
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! CONGRESS ACTION: November 12, 2000 = WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT: It has been said that the people of this country eventually get exactly what they want. In this election just passed the people have spoken, and have shown exactly what they want -- Totalitarianism. Hate. Division. Forget the good of the country, forget our heritage from the past or our obligations to future generations. "Oh, come on now", come the guffaws of laughter from the ever-so-thoughtful, considerate, and tolerant left, "All we want is to provide for those less fortunate, make sure that the wrong people don't get too much wealth or power, and help save the world by enacting just a few reasonable restrictions on the behavior of people and corporations." Exactly. Despite the evidence before our eyes of the tyranny, poverty, and misery caused by seven decades of socialism and forced collectivism in the Soviet Union, and five decades of socialism and forced collectivism in Eastern Europe, we have decided to ignore those lessons and implement our own versions of socialism and forced collectivism. Our versions will turn out much better, you see, because ours will be tyranny with a smiley face, because under our versions of socialism and forced collectivism the "right people" will be in charge. Despite the evidence before our eyes of the tyranny and death resulting from the 12 years of Nazism, we have decided to ignore that lesson and countenance, even encourage, the division of our population into warring factions, in which selected unpopular people and unpopular groups are singled out by opportunistic politicians for demonization and vilification. Like those religious wackos, those gun nuts, those cigarette smokers, those evil rich people, those extremist pro-lifers, like those -- gasp -- strict constructionists who actually think that the Constitution really means exactly what it says. After all, it's not the ever-so-tolerant left who are being vilified and demonized, it's all those others -- and doesn't the ever-so-tolerant left think that our society would be better off without those people, anyway? We still don't know who will ultimately be declared the winner of Tuesday's election. We won't know for at least another week (much longer if the courts get involved), as Florida does recount after recount (now doing a third recount by hand, a process that the Bush campaign has filed a lawsuit to enjoin because of the potential for manipulation); and as the Gore campaign has found a Florida Judge (reported by FOX News to be a Gore sympathizer and known liberal activist in Florida) to enjoin Florida from certifying the recount results until a hearing is held on allegations of vote fraud. Jesse Jackson alleges that blacks were intimidated (which means that Janet Reno is getting into the fray); while local representatives of Miami's Haitian community allege that Haitians were intimidated by democrat poll workers and instructed to vote for Gore. As this drags out, other states with close votes are starting to re-examine their own ballots, and other recounts may be triggered. On Friday, New Mexico was taken out of the Gore win column because of its own close results, and a recount there is likely. The State of Oregon, three days after the election, finally certified the results of their ballots, which are all mail-in (so as not to have any of the messy incidents of self-government, like standing in line at a polling place, intrude on the tender sensibilities of Oregon voters) in favor of Gore. But no matter what ultimately happens, no matter who is ultimately declared President, Gore probably would have won by a large margin, if he didn't have the albatross of Clinton's scandals hanging around his neck, if he didn't have his own Buddhist fundraising, questionable deals with the Russians, involvement in questionable domestic programs, and "no controlling legal authority" problems. Bush ran a campaign based on character, unity, bipartisan governance, and a restoration of honor and dignity to the Presidency, but those attributes were of little interest to at least half of the voters. Gore received his votes by running a campaign of lies, divisiveness, race-baiting, and demagoguery. He received his votes relying on a campaign of pandering promises of payoffs with taxpayer money to everyone in sight, for endless new federal programs. Even if Gore loses, the voting public has sent a very clear message to politicians of the future -- despite what people say about cooperation and bipartisanship, the politics of division and pandering is what they will vote for. Gore has proved that divisiveness, demagoguery, and fear-mongering works. No matter what the outcome, Al Gore already has his legacy. And he is cementing the Clinton legacy as well; because never forget that it was Bill Clinton who pioneered the politics of personal destruction, the
[CTRL] RadTimes # 94
-Caveat Lector- RadTimes # 94 November, 2000 An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities. "We're living in rad times!" --- Contents: --- --Bush Or Gore: 'A New Era Dawns' --The Election: Process and Results --Nader and the Virtues of Gridlock --No Surprise, Money Wins Big --Florida official confirms 19,000 votes tossed out Linked stories: *Bush maintains razor-thin lead in Florida recount *Arkansas governor defends 'banana republic' comments *Judge: State police must turn over notes from GOP convention *In praise of election chaos *'Hackers-For-Nader' Deliver Surprise Victory [satire] *Buchanan camp: Bush claims are "nonsense" *County official knew about ballot confusion *Can this election be saved? *Ballots Need an Upgrade -- Duh! *Dems Take Vote Campaign Online *Lawyers Are Cheap at Vote Auction *Dutch Biometrics A Go-Go *Why Nader Is Not To Blame *After Bush-Gore: Lawsuits, Conspiracies And Blame *Election 2000: Big Money Was The Real Surprise *Ralph Nader's Election Night Speech --- Begin stories: --- Bush Or Gore: 'A New Era Dawns' http://www.theonion.com/onion3640/bush_or_gore.html AUSTIN, TX, OR NASHVILLE, TN--In one of the narrowest presidential votes in U.S. history, either George W. Bush or Al Gore was elected the 43rd president of the United States Tuesday, proclaiming the win "a victory for the American people and the dawn of a bold new era in this great nation." Above: Bush and Gore, one of whom called the election "a victory for America." "My fellow Americans," a triumphant Bush or Gore told throngs of jubilant, flag-waving supporters at his campaign headquarters, "tonight, we as a nation stand on the brink of many exciting new challenges. And I stand here before you to say that I am ready to meet those challenges." "The people have spoken," Bush or Gore continued, "and with their vote they have sent the message, loud and clear, that we are the true party of the people." With these words, the crowd of Republicans or Democrats erupted. Bush or Gore attributed his victory to his commitment to the issues that matter to ordinary, hardworking Americans. Throughout the campaign, the Republican or Democrat spoke out in favor of improving educational standards, protecting the environment, reducing crime, strengthening the military, cutting taxes, and reforming Social Security. He also took a strong pro-middle-class stand, praising America's working families as "the backbone of this great nation." "During this campaign, I had the good fortune to meet so many of you. And I listened to your concerns," Bush or Gore said. "And do you know what I found? That your concerns are the same as mine. Like 64-year-old Rosemary Cullums of Wheeling, WV. She said to me, '[Mr. Bush or Mr. Gore], we need to restore a sense of values and decency to this country. I have three young grandchildren, and I worry about the filth they're exposed to on a daily basis from TV and the movies. We need Hollywood to take responsibility for its actions and stop peddling sex and violence to our young people.' I told Rosemary I agreed wholeheartedly and gave her my word that when I became president, I would demand accountability on the part of the entertainment industry. Would my [Democratic or Republican] opponent have said the same?" "The greatest thing a president can do is set an example for the people," Bush or Gore continued. "And as a devoted family man with a wonderful wife and [two or four] wonderful children, I promise to make the White House a place Americans can feel good about." The crowd erupted again, with thousands of delirious Republicans or Democrats waving signs reading, "America's Families For [Bush or Gore]" as a blizzard of red, white, and blue confetti fell from the ceiling. During his 30-minute victory speech, the president-elect also praised his campaign manager, Joe Allbaugh or Donna Brazile, for refusing to resort to the "negative smear tactics of my opponent." "Unlike my [Democratic or Republican] counterpart, my staff and I insisted that this election be about the issues," Bush or Gore said. "We refused to take the low road and stoop to dirty tricks in order to get elected. While [Mr. Gore or Mr. Bush] was busy with cheap innuendo and unfounded accusations, we were out there taking our message to the American people. And, judging from what happened today at the ballot box, you heard that message loud and clear. And I thank you." More confetti rained down from the ceiling, this time accompanied
[CTRL] Scattered Memories
-Caveat Lector- Scattered Memories And now the tears come, two and a half decades later. I ache for all we lost in Vietnam - our buddies, our relatives, our innocence. I'm no heroine. I joined the Army Nurse Corps to go to Europe; that's what my recruiter promised me. I was 21 years old when I was ordered to Vietnam. I stayed 364 days. I cared for the sick, the wounded and the dying. I did the best I could. I am only coming to know that now. For almost 20 years, I never spoke about that time, that place - I buried my memories, my anger and a large part of "me" deep, so deep, just wanting to forget; wanting to feel peace. I only spoke to Sue about it because she was there too. Years later in the Army Reserves, once again in fatigues and combat boots out on field exercises, we'd turn to each other, never making the connection of physical circumstances. We'd tell each other funny war stories, and we'd laugh. Then one of us would remember, and share, and then we'd cry. It would be months or maybe a year before we would repeat the scenario. In 1982, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (The Wall) was placed in our nation's capital. I saw pictures of it and the vets on television or in magazines, and it brought out emotions in me that went way beyond tears. And I, like many vets, knew it wasn't over. We knew we had to go there. We didn't know why, we just knew we had to go. The Wall was calling us home. It took me five years to answer. Sue and I went together. At first, we stayed far away in the trees. "Tree-Vets," we're called. Then a picnic on the grass behind. The Wall where we could see the visitors' heads moving along as their walk took them other, ready for retreat, we walked the length of those names, our tears camouflaged by the night. Even there, even then, we rarely spoke about the war, not even to each other. And we never wore anything or said anything that identified us as Vietnam veterans. 1992 was the 10th anniversary of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Sue couldn't come, and I did two things I'd never done before - I went alone and I went in uniform. I wore my current dress uniform with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, and all the insignia, medals and decorations that tell a very specific story to those who know how to read it. I could never have anticipated what happened to me there. I wrote Sue that night: 'I carried you with me when I went to The Wall. I had the strength to be there, but I didn't feel the entitlement. I did put on a brave front. No raggedy remnants of faded fatigues or sun-bleached boonie hats for me. I stood heads above the crowd - proud (at long last) in my Class A's. My chest of ribbons saying loud and clear, "I'm a vet, too. I was your nurse. Honor me. Reach out to me. Please, help me to heal." 'And they came. They were there for you Sue. Oh, I wish you could have been there! You would have been so touched; and it was you who deserved what I received. God, but it felt so good to cry the tears that for so long we held, and covered with our laughter, and let the years bury so deep. They came, the 40- something vets looking so much older than their years. Some with the same eyes that we saw back then, the pain still very much with them. They hugged me and held me, and most smiled through tears as they tried to speak. They want you to know they remember that you were there for them, and they're grateful. You saved some of them and cared for them and for their buddies. They love you. You were their nurse. 'I saw him hesitate at the edge of the crowd, then urged on by a friend the WWI vet came forward. With crippled and deformed hands, he stood as tall as his 86 years allowed and saluted me. I smiled as my eyes filled with tears and returned his salute. He was mortified that he might cry. I hugged him as his friend took our picture. He spoke volumes in the simple words, "Thank you." 'It was a strange deja vu. Remember when the GIs would always take our pictures? They still do. And all those eyes looking at us - how we learned to look right in them and say, "It's okay, you're gonna be just fine." 'It's not so hard to see The Wall now, to be near it, to feel its presence, to feel their absence. We're going to be okay. It's time to heal, my friend...to know that you did everything you could, and more; that it mattered that you touched those lives. 'Next year we'll stand together when the Women's Memorial is dedicated, and we can begin to forgive ourselves for our imagined slights and shortcomings and our human frailties. And we can begin the process of healing ourselves and coming to peace with our memories. I love you, my friend.' Veterans Day 1993, the Vietnam Veterans Women's Memorial was dedicated in Washington, D.C. Thousands of women vets attended, and we were overwhelmed. We led the parade - the nurses, Red Cross
Re: [CTRL] The world mocks as America squirms
-Caveat Lector- I'm not squirming. No one I know in the real world (e.g., non-Internet world) is squirming. As for what the rest of the world thinks...well, I don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. It's not the first time the U.S. has experienced an election gridlock...we survived JFK's assassination, Nixon's resignation, Reagan being shot...we'll survive this, too. The real issue is to be alert to what results AFTER whatever decision is made. There were definite changes in our government after all the events I listed above, and there is no reason not to suspect the same thing won't happen now, also. Smoke and mirrors, people. Whoever 'wins', we the public lose. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Veteran's Day
-Caveat Lector- [Unable to display image] We encourage all United States citizens to set aside time for remembrance of something more important than election gridlock -- our American veterans. In the absence of their sacrifice, the freedom to engage in the current debate about our nation's future would not exist. Today is Veterans Day. On November 11th, 1921, an unknown World War I American soldier was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., November 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in W.W.II, signed the legislation. To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard), keeps vigil day and night at Arlington. At 11 a.m. today, a combined color guard representing all military service branches will execute "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president. This will be followed by "Taps." In conjunction with that ceremony is the long-awaited groundbreaking for the World War II memorial on the Washington Mall. Of note, it took three times longer for Congress to finally approve the new Memorial than it did to win WWII. Raise a flag in memorial today for all those who fought to keep our country free. They should never be forgotten. "Day is done, Gone the sun From the Lakes From the hills From the sky. All is well, safely rest. God is nigh. Fading light Dims the sight And a star Gems the sky, Gleaming bright. From afar, Drawing nigh, Falls the night. Thanks and praise For our days Neath the sun, Neath the stars, Neath the sky. As we go, This we know... God is nigh." [Unable to display image] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just a little reminder about American democracy.
-Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No matter which Big Business flunky wins the election, 75% of the rest of the country's eligible voters doesn't want him. 51% didn't vote because they didn't want either one of these candidates ( among other reasons ). 25% voted for Bush or Gore, one of whom will lose. Total = 75% of Americans don't want the next President. I dare anybody to call this democracy. The numbers aren't all that different for any election going back to 1980; the fact is, the majority of those eligible to vote don't actually do so...so anyone who has ever claimed a 'landslide victory' in the past 20 years hardly achieved a mandate from the public, when more than half stayed home and didn't vote. And don't think that this problem with ballots is new...it has happened in every election. Only difference now is that it is so close as to make people sit up and take notice of what has routinely been swept under the rug in the past. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Poll Worker Announces Giving Gore supporters Second Ballots
-Caveat Lector- How right you are! They can manage ten (10) Bingo cards at one time but are completely stumped by a routine ballot like the one used THIS election in Cook County, IL, S.C and several other states. Amelia - Original Message - From: "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Worker Announces Giving Gore supporters Second Ballots -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/09/2000 5:56:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One other thing does puzzle me--the "confused" voters in Palm Beach County/ These are retirees, mostly from the northeast. _ The lesson to be learned from this is: They should pass a law in Florida that all Ballots must look like Bingo Cards. Then those senior citizens in Florida would know exactly how to work them. Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Election Humor-Everybody Can Vote
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[CTRL] Severe solar storm
-Caveat Lector- Severe solar storm sparks an alert By Robert Roy Britt and Jim Banke SPACE.COM Nov. 9 - A severe space weather storm began pounding Earth late Wednesday and is expected to threaten communications, satellite operations and possibly astronauts and airline passengers - especially pregnant women - through Sunday. Montana State University physicist Richard Canfield narrates an animation explaining how solar storms affect Earth. THE EVENT began Wednesday at 6:50 p.m. ET, when a large solar flare welled up from deep within the sun. This energy interacted with the solar atmosphere, sending a stream of charged particles called protons heading toward Earth. "The protons measured near Earth increased 10,000 times in the matter of a few minutes," said Joseph Kunches, lead forecaster at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Space Environment Center. Forecasters labeled the event an S4. The most severe would be an S5. The event was different from other recent solar storms - less likely to generate an increase in the northern lights, forecasters said. But at the same time it's potentially more dangerous to humans. The protons buffeting Earth are a form of radiation that, with extended exposure, is thought to damage DNA and contribute to cancer. While cosmic radiation from distant sources constantly bombards Earth, the amount increases during a severe solar storm. People on the ground are not at risk, as Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere provide a blanket of protection. NOAA says an airline passenger could experience as much radiation as 10 chest X-rays, though this figure is debated. Experts do agree, however, that anyone on a high-altitude jet or in space is exposed to more radiation than someone on the ground. MOST NEEDN'T CHANGE PLANS Wallace Friedberg, who studies the threat for the Federal Aviation Administration, said that the NOAA estimates are the best available. He said most people planning a flight during the storm should not necessarily change their plans, adding that the radiation measurements he has seen indicate that this event is not the worst possible. "If it was my daughter, and if she was pregnant, I'd tell her she might want to wait," said Friedberg, who heads the radiobiology research team at the FAA Civil Aeromedical Institute. "If she's not pregnant, I wouldn't be that concerned." Friedberg has a short flight scheduled himself this weekend. "If I was going today, I would go," he said. "But I'm not pregnant." High-frequency radio communications will also be strongly affected through Sunday, when the proton stream is expected to die down. The proton stream would be strong enough to be dangerous to astronauts if they are on spacewalks. There are three people - one American and two Russians, living aboard the international Space Station Alpha. "NASA is acutely aware of the fact that there is some hazard to them based on the radiation environment," said NOAA's Kunches. "And today is one of those days that they need to worry." NASA says the three crew members aboard Alpha are in no danger from the event. However, flight controllers near Moscow have asked station commander Bill Shepherd and cosmonauts Yuri Gidzenko and Sergei Krikalev to set up a radiation-monitoring device inside the Russian-built modules as a precaution. The portable device, similar to those used during each space shuttle mission, will sound an alarm if it senses radiation that reaches a preset level, said NASA spokesman Rob Navias. If that should happen, the three crew members will move to the end of the Zvezda service module, where the Soyuz spacecraft is docked, and remain there until the radiation level subsides. This part of Space Station Alpha offers the most protection from the hazard, Navias said. In any case there is no need for Shepherd, Gidzenko and Krikalev to move into the Soyuz for protection, nor are there any plans for the crew to evacuate the station and return to Earth. Space Weather Scale The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has set up three scales to measure the severity of "space weather." Click on a category above to see what effects each level of space storm can create: G5: Extreme. Collapse of power grid systems, damage to transformers, satellite link problems, radio disruption. G4: Severe. Potential problems with stability of power grids, satellite corrections needed, radio communications affected. G3: Strong. Voltage corrections required, false alarms triggered on protection devices, satellite problems, intermittent radio problems. G2: Moderate. High-latitude power systems affected, possible effect on satellite orbits, fading in high-frequency radio signals at high latitudes. G1: Minor. Weak power grid fluctuations, minor impact on satellite operations, migratory animals begin to be affected. S5: Extreme. High radiation hazard
Re: [CTRL] Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/10/2000 9:38:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush 11/7/00 - By J. Michael Waller The CIA is ready to send a team of senior officials to Texas to lobby Gov. George W. Bush in the event he wins todayâs presidential election, intelligence sources tell Insight. They hope to head off an anticipated GOP-led reorganization of the agency. There's a liberal in the CIA? How did he or she get in? Besides, Dubya's pappy knows how to handle the CIA. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The world mocks as America squirms
Title: Pie Charts Another reason that this election process cannot be allowed to go on and on and on... The U.S. has to stand for something in the world, or it is no better than the other historically failed democracies that have come and some long gone. from:http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791872820752rtmo=qx9KseK9atmo=rrrqpg=/et/00/11/10/wpres110.htmlClick Here: AHREF="file://http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791872820752rtmo=qx9KseK9atmo=rrrqpg=/et/00/11/10/wpres110.html"The world mocks as America squirms/A-The world mocks as America squirmsBy Anton La GuardiaGore refuses to accept vote recount THE world's newspapers revelled in the embarrassment of the Americanpolitical system yesterday, making comparisons with "banana republics","spaghetti westerns" and the endemic corruption of Indian and Italianpolitics.The most caustic mockery came from countries whose democratic failings havebeen criticised by Washington. For many writers America had received itscomeuppance for holding itself up as a model for others to emulate.Nepotistic dynasties, a dead man elected and scandals over ballot boxes werenot just confined to the Third World, they said. A "great victory fordemocracy, desi-style (India style)", is how the Times of India gleefullydescribed the debacle.The Indian Express, noting the vicissitudes of the Bush and Gore dynasties,urged readers to stop "moaning about how we alone in the world have beenloaded with politicians whose fathers or grandfathers, mothers orgrandmothers, uncles or aunts, great-uncles or great-aunts or plain cousinsalso happen to be politicians".La Reference Plus, published in the Democratic Republic of Congo, said thechaos in Florida only encouraged African dictators. It asked: "If thishappens in the United States, how do you want everything to be clean andtransparent in the poor African continent?"Zimbabwe's state-controlled daily, The Herald, said: "Analysts questionedwhether the Americans would have accepted a recount in African elections ifthe ruling party candidate had been beaten, as happened in Florida."Iraq, which had previously dismissed both the American presidentialcandidates as equally pro-Israeli and hostile to Iraq, yesterday took theside of George W Bush. It said the delay in announcing the result was aJewish plot to control America through Al Gore.Babel, a newspaper controlled by the eldest son of President Saddam Hussein,Uday, said the Jews in America wanted Mr Gore to win in order to give moresupport to Israel in its confrontation with the Palestinians. Babel said in afront page editorial: "If they (the Jews) succeed in making Gore win theelection they will become the real leaders of America."Italians, whose own politics have been compared to an "opera buffa" after 58post-war governments, had a field day.The Rome daily, La Repubblica, ran the mocking headline: "A Day worthy of aBanana Republic". The columnist Bepe Severgnini wrote in Milan's dailyCorriere della Sera: "The other night when I went into a restaurant in SantaMonica, there was one president - Clinton."When I ordered a pizza there was another one - Gore. When I paid the billthere was a third president - Bush. When I walked out on to Ocean Boulevardthere was no president because Bill is now the husband of a senator from NewYork."German newspapers were more sanctimonious, with several arguing thatAmerica's electoral system was outdated and undermined the legitimacy of theeventual winner. Sueddeutsche Zeitung said the next president would be "aking without a kingdom."The conservative Die Welt said: "This is not a cheap novel, not a soap operabut a debacle that may reach the level of comedy and will be, in hindsight,an anecdote of a time in which politics had to painfully grasp how unfair itis to voters."What a macabre spectacle: a giant empire with 280 million citizens sendsvoters to the polls to decide who should be the next American president andboth candidates remain in a dead heat in a way we have not even seen inelections in Uzbekistan or Switzerland."In Moscow, an elections official said the disarray in America demonstratedthe superiority of the Russian system. Alexander Veshnyakov, chairman of theRussian Central Election Committee, told the business daily Kommersant: "Ithink we should never adopt their electoral college system . . . Russianelections are more democratic and easier to grasp for the voters."Cuba's President Fidel Castro did not pass up the opportunity to lampoonAmerica. State television showed him walking along the beach in his olivegreen uniform and boots. He ran into an unidentified American tourist andtold him: "Like the majority of Americans, you have gone to the beach."The Lebanese daily, Al-Safir, had to apologise to its readers for incorrectlyreporting that Mr Gore had won, but used the occasion to needle Arabdictators who stage overwhelming election victories for themselves.The
Re: [CTRL] LT: Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/11/2000 2:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics Some of us aren't! Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Date: 10 November 2000 Federalist #00-45.dgst Part 2
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Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!
__O__
INSIGHT
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the
press. It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of
speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, Who has given us
the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag,
who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag." -- Charles M. Province ++
"Sir, I have not yet begun to fight!" --John Paul Jones ++ "The
patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most
reliable soldier on earth." --Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson ++ "So,
as you go into battle, remember your ancestors and remember your
descendants." --Tacitus ++ "Breathes there the man with soul so
dead, Who never to himself hath said, This is my own, my native land!"
--Walter Scott ++ "A man's country is not a certain area of land, of
mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is
loyalty to that principle." --George William Curtis ++ "There exist
only three beings worthy of respect: the priest, the soldier, the
poet. To know, to kill, to create." --Charles Baudelaire ++ "I hate
war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen
its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
++ "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many,
to so few." --Winston Churchill ++ "There never was a good war, or a
bad peace." --Benjamin Franklin
__O__
UPRIGHT
"Let there be no mistaking what happened Tuesday: Our system of
constitutional democracy worked well. It is a system of
representation, and it has, with splendid precision, represented the
strengths of the parties, and hence the division in the public mind."
--George Will ++ "In the main event, we have in Vice President Gore
and Hillary Clinton two representatives of an already powerful class,
the commanding class. The members of the commanding class feel
entitled, by credentials and facility (they would say, by training and
intelligence), to rule the rest of us. Their ideology is dirigiste,
their temperament arrogant and their morals spotty." --Richard
Brookhiser ++ "Left candidates always resort to class warfare and
the politics of envy." --Don Feder ++ "The resurrection of
liberalism in America has been greatly exaggerated." --Robert Novak
++ "You know what will be the most immediately satisfying thing about
voting for George W. Bush today? Knowing that I've done everything I
can to ruin Rosie O'Donnell's tomorrow." --Rod Dreher ++ "Dispensing
other people's money, whether in the form of prescription drugs or
federally funded (read: controlled) education is the agenda of
European socialists, not the philosophy of America's Founders."
--Balint Vazsonyi ++ "...[T]he American left has always been awed
and enamored by 'revolutionary' tyrannies and liberation movements,
regardless of their methods and goals." -- David Bar-Ilan ++ "Quick
and dubious fixes, whether legislative or judicial, clearly undermine
faith in any democratic system. The motives of the fixers are often
the highest, but we should know by now that noble sentiments can do
just as much damage as tawdry ones." --John Leo ++ "We may well soon
be subjected to anything that judges want to enforce The result
will be an enforced inability of the states to pass laws that reflect
the principled judgment of their own citizens. ...And as our Founders
taught us so well, ...[that] will be the end of liberty and the
establishment of tyranny in America." --Alan Keyes ++ "View and read
everything with skepticism. Remember that truth and information are
not synonyms. And do learn to think for yourself. There already are
more than enough sheep in this world." --Charley Reese ++ "A list of
congressional violations of the letter and spirit of the Constitution
is virtually without end." --Walter Williams {} "The closest the
West gets to a proper concept of evil is Halloween costumes depicting
evil characters in which sophisticates do not believe." --Cal Thomas
{} "Personal actions speak louder than political words." --Michelle
Malkin {} "We would be much worse without Christianity; but we
wouldn't know it." --Joseph Sobran
__O__
EDITORIAL EXEGESIS
"The next U.S. president will be the candidate who is certified as
receiving the most popular votes in Florida. That candidate will thus
be entitled to all of Florida's 25 electoral votes, which would be
sufficient to catapult either George W. Bush or Al Gore over a
constitutionally mandated threshold that requires the winning
candidate to capture a majority (270) of votes in the Electoral
College. ... Now, as it happens, Mr. Gore has in the past expressed an
inclination to interpret
Re: [CTRL] What goes around comes around. Hee hee heee.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/11/2000 9:41:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PARIS - African nations suggested Friday sending 'observers' to the United States to help overcome presidential poll confusion as the world's press argued over whether it was witnessing electoral chaos or simply democracy in action. "International observers should be put in place" because "the United States must join the established democracies," said South Africa's daily Star. Fabulous! Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Date: 10 November 2000 Federalist #00-45.dgst Part 1
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! * Veritas Vos Liberabit * THE FEDERALIST(r) DIGEST The Conservative e-Journal of Record Date: 10 November 2000 Federalist #00-45.dgst To retrieve today's Digest as HTML printer-friendly text or PDF, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/current00-10.asp To support or sponsor The Federalist, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp CONTENTS: The Founders Federalist Perspective Insight Upright Editorial Exegesis Second Opinion Body Politic Dezinformatsia Village Idiots Short Cuts __O__ THE FOUNDERS "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." --Thomas Jefferson __O__ FEDERALIST PERSPECTIVE In the news this week, we encourage our readers to set aside time for remembrance of something more important than election gridlock -- American veterans. In the absence of their sacrifice, the freedom to engage in the current debate about our nation's future would not exist. Tomorrow is Veterans Day. On November 11th, 1921, an unknown World War I American soldier was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, in recognition of WWI veterans and in conjunction with the timing of cessation of hostilities at 11 a.m., November 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). The day became known as "Armistice Day." In 1954, Congress, wanting to recognize the sacrifice of veterans since WWI, proposed to change Armistice Day to Veterans Day in their honor. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, former Supreme Commander in W.W.II, signed the legislation. To honor those veterans who sacrificed all, an Army honor guard from the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard), keeps day and night vigil at Arlington. At 11 a.m. tomorrow, a combined color guard representing all military service branches executes "Present Arms" at the tomb for the laying of a wreath by the president. This is followed by "Taps." In conjunction with that ceremony is the long-awaited groundbreaking for the World War II memorial on the Washington Mall. Of note, it took three times longer for Congress to finally approve the new Memorial than it did to win WWII. In other news A strange thing happened on the way to the White House While Messrs. Bush and Cheney were coasting into the presidency on favorable political polls (you will note we never published a word about any of those insidious, manipulative polls) Michigan and Pennsylvania skipped town on them, and Florida gave pursuit. Last Friday, amid all those favorable polls, we questioned whether the "compassionate conservatism" Mr. Bush has peddled for six months could overcome the 12 year void of strong conservative leadership in America, eight years of Clinton-Gore's masterful "divide-and-conquer" policies in concert with the media opinion shapers' relentless advocacy of the Sociocrats' cause, and Gore's populist campaign. It appears, the odds notwithstanding, that Bush/Cheney is the wining ticket. Additionally, Republicans have been able to hold on to a thin margin in the House, and perhaps the Senate, pending one seat still contested. (If there is a tie in the Senate, Republicans will maintain some measure of control because if Bush is elected, Mr. Cheney will become president of the Senate -- casting tie-breaking votes -- and if Gore is elected, his veep Lieberman would have to resign his Senate seat and Connecticut Gov. John Rowland, a Republican, will name a Republican to that seat.) Of note, 29 states are still under the leadership of Republican governors, though, as in Congress, the line distinguishing Republicans and Democrats grows increasingly vague -- Republicrats, let's call them. Concerning the presidential election standoff, watching the media talkingheads scramble to explain why they put Florida in Gore's column, then put it back in play, then put it in Bush's column declaring him the next president, then retract their statement and put Florida back in play -- this was indeed the talkingheads' finest hour! After declaring Florida for Gore an hour before polls closed in the state's conservative panhandle, thousands of Bush voters left long polling lines for home -- media mission accomplished. The talkingheads claim they forgot that the state's panhandle is in the central, rather than eastern time zone. Though a certified Florida victory for Bush is now in the works, we don't believe the Democrats will give up the state's 25 electoral votes without a fight. For his part, Al Gore, after taking back his concession to Mr. Bush Tuesday night, said Wednesday: "Despite the fact that Joe Lieberman and I won the popular vote, under our Constitution, it is the winner of the Electoral College who will be our next president. Our Constitution is the whole foundation of our freedom and it must be followed faithfully We are now, as
[CTRL] US Election Crisis 2000 - Militarization of outer space?
-Caveat Lector- Both major political parties in the US Presidential race - Democrats and Republicans - are publicly committed to the continued militarization of outer space. The militarization of outer space runs counter to the principles of Universe society. Ask yourself this thought-provoking question: Has this US Election crisis occured as part of the end of terrestrial politics? US Election Crisis 2000: The end of terrestrial politics? http://www.ecologynews.com Exopolitics: Toward a Decade of Contact http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews3.html _ C U E - Campaign for a Universe Ecology "Decade of Contact - A proactive, education-based process of ecological integration with Universe society." CUE: http://www.ecologynews.com/ Prague:http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1512 West 40 Ave. Vancouver, BC V6M 1V8 Tel: 604-733-8134 Fax:604-733-8135 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) PROOF OF VOTE FRAUD!
-Caveat Lector- There was a report a few minutes ago that the CNN feed in the Gulf area said all the overseas absentee ballots were stolen from Pensacola, Fla p.o. Did anyone see this in the U.S. feed? --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:14:18 -0800 To: undisclosed recipients [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:PROOF OF VOTE FRAUD! This was posted to a list I'm on, and is forwarded with permission. It's a long, very worthwhile read, and I hope you'll pass it along to anyone who might be interested. ~Olga Ref: 15,000 Bush votes were stolen in Palm Beach, FL. 15,000 Dole and Perot votes were stolen in 1996 *, no wonder they knew how to do it! *9 Nov, 2000 CNN; Jim Smith, Former Florida Secretary of State; WSJ, 11-10-2000) The news media is focused on the Democratic Party spin that voters were "confused" in Palm Beach, FL. They are ignoring the 15,000 BUSH and 3,400 Buchanan votes were stolen by fraud in these 19,000 ballots. There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraudNOT Republican fraud or "voter error." Consider these "unusual" ballot problems in Palm Beach, FL - every one of them adds more Gore votes, and removed Republican and Reform party votes. ---...--- The voter fraud in the most heavily Democratic precincts Palm Beach County is so bad that Democratic officials are claiming that over 26 people per minute "were confused" and voted twice for President! This means that more voters were being handed new ballots per minute than new voters were being signed in. (19,200 "double punched" Democratic ballots divided by 12 hours, there are approximately 100 precincts in Palm Beach County. The errors are concentrated in only a few of these of these precincts, ALL predominately democratic and ALL with Democratic voter officials.) ---...--- ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "double punched" in the 1996 election. (This is unique among the entire nation! It is an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY other district in the nation using that kind of ballot!) ONLY in Palm Beach (and almost ONLY heavily Democratic precincts) were 19,200 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching(This is a 4.4% error rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less than 1/2 of ONE percent "double punch" error rate! (Unofficially, this error rate was 15% in predominately Afro-American precincts, and 10% in precincts with large numbers of Jewish retirees.) In strongly Republican precincts, the error rate was the "usual" 1/2 of one percent.) ONLY in Palm Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the Gore-Bush-Buchanan selection. (In a truly random "error," the mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate. In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY happened in the Presidential race.) ONLY in Palm Beach has the news media complained about "massive" ballot confusion. In the 43 counties in Missouri, also mostly Democratic voters, which use the same kind of ballot, there are NO complaints about "confused voters" at all. (St Louis Post Dispatch, Nov 8, 2000) Therefore, ONLY in Palm Beach FL do the Democrats have to "explain" a massive number of incorrect votes. ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 64 out of 67 counties in FL, the average gain was 5-7 votes, and the "changes" were equally split between ALL the candidates, in proportion to the original number of votes. This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic "inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes greater than 400 votes.) In a statistically valid recount, half of the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "favoritism" towards Gore in those three counties.) In Palm Beach Gore got more votes than there are registered Democrats. (Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections: registered Democrats = 296,122 while Gore voters = 296.696.) ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered Republican voters. (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters = 152,954.) In every other county in FL Bush received MORE votes than there were registered Republicans. In the rest of the nation, poll results show more than 90% of registered Republicans actively supported the Republican candidate. (Also, unique in the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in Palm Beach was much less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get-out-the-vote campaigns.) ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF the of votes he received before in 1996. His losses in that county in 2000 were
Re: [CTRL] Steal Something Day!
-Caveat Lector- Better yet, once a week or so do what I do and have a "lets eat for free at the supermarket" day. Just go into that corporate cash-cow, get the best salami sticks from the deli, olives, kabana, some cheese and pate (to taste), a few chocolate bars etc. and a container of fruit juice or whatever. As you wander around looking at the Ahh, come on - forget the penny ante stuff. Show us what you're made of - steal a police cruiser! ### The freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right - subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. -L Neil Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NewsMakingNews 11/11/00
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/"NewsMakingNews Secret Connections Covert Operat /A - TODAY: Click. BLOODY JIM (Saudi Oil War deaths to let Saddam go free and make troops sick) BAKER DON'T WANT NO HAND COUNT TO TAKE HIS BUSH BOY DOWN! PAGE CONTENTS Click. THE 2000 VOTE IN FLORIDA. WHO IS HOLDING THE BAG? By Martin Cannon Click. VOTER FRAUD TEXAS STYLE (PART I) By Linda Minor Stay tuned for Part II - Voter fraud - the Texas and Florida connection. Click. THE FBI STONEWALLS USS COLE INVESTIGATIONS, PROTECTING? By Thomas Mountain Click. HOW DARE BUSH BOY BLOODY JIMMY BAKER THREATEN GORE BEFORE THE VOTE COUNT IS COMPLETE? Click. FLORIDA VOTE FRAUD MAKES THE USA LOOK LIKE A BANANA REPUBLIC Click. HAPPY NEW YEAR 1970 FROM MAE BRUSSELL By Virginia McCullough, The BayCities Observer. Click. The USS Cole Bombing Cover Up - an October [No] Surprise? by Thomas C. Mountain, Nov 6, 2000 BLOODY JIM BAKER DON'T WANT NO HAND COUNT TO TAKE HIS BUSH BOY DOWN? FOR UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, CLICK. BUSH TRUSTS HYPOCRISY, NOT THE PEOPLE One of the ironies of Bush's legal attempt to prevent hand counting of voters' ballots in Florida is that he spent the last months of the campaign telling the people that he trusts them while Al Gore trusts the federal government. Yet, today, he's doing exactly the opposite, calling upon the federal government to void the hand counted votes of the people. Now, comes another irony, another example of Bush hypocrisy. The core of Bush's law suit against the state of Florida is that a machine count of the votes is more accurate than a hand count, and a hand count will simply introduce inaccuracies into the counting process. Yet, two years ago in Texas, Bush signed a bill into law that did just the opposite, affirming that a hand count is more accurate than a machine count. Here is the relevant passage: "(d) If different counting methods are chosen under Section 214.042(a) among multiple requests for a recount of electronic voting system results, only one method may be used in the recount. A manual recount shall be conducted in preference to an electronic recount and an electronic recount using a corrected program shall be conducted in preference to an electronic recount." Clearly, Bush will say and do anything to win, even contradict his own recorded beliefs. --Politex, 11/11/00 VOTERS RALLY IN 100 U.S. CITIES TODAY Americans will take to the streets all over the country Saturday at 1 p.m. in a show of outrage over possible ballot irregularities in Florida that could, they feel, keep Al Gore from becoming president. A grass-roots effort promoted online lists the locations of the protests, ranging from the Civic Plaza in Albuquerque, N.M., to the Federal Building in Baltimore, Md., to New Yorks Times Square and downtown Madison, Wis. ABC. List of cities. "ARROGANT" BUSH BLOCKS "FULL, FAIR, ACCOUNTING" BUSH LITIGATION UPDATE...Bush is requesting an injunction to stop the ongoing hand counting in Florida and asking for other remedies, such as declaring the butterfly ballot lawful, arguing that the Florida voting laws dealing with the hand count option are unconstitutional on the basis of their standards of evaluation. The federal judge selected to hear the case is Judge Middlebrook, who has been described as "fair" by his clerks. He will hear the case Monday morning at 9:30. Meanwhile, since the Bush lawyers will argue the Bush case before the judge, Gore has decided that his lawyers will defend the relevant Florida laws in that court. Observers believe that the Bush team has a difficult burden to prove, with very little legal precedent to defend their position. The Gore camp has been emboldened by Bush's decision to be the first to take the election to court, particularly with such a weak case. The Gore people believe that Bush's decision is a serious political error. All of this according to MSNBC. --Politex, 11/11/00. In a later interview at the ranch in Crawford, Texas, in which we watched Bush talking to his off-camera dog, he was unable to explain the specifics of his federal injunction. Instead, he said reporters should ask James Baker. He then turned the mike over to Dick Cheney, who spoke longer about nothing than Bush did. Bush appeared tired, distracted, edgy and out of the loop. BUSH SEEKS FEDERAL INJUNCTION TO STOP VOTE COUNT In the clearest indication to date that George W. Bush is feeling his presidential lead slipping away, James Baker, his Florida spokesman, has announced that the Bush campaign has requested a federal injunction from the U.S. District Court of Florida against continuing the ongoing manual vote count in two Florida districts, Palm Beach and Volusia, against the planned manual vote count in Broward Country, against the scheduled consideration of a manual vote count in Dade, and against any future manual counts in any of the other counties in Florida. Baker gave
[CTRL] THE 2000 VOTE IN FLORIDA: WHO IS HOLDING THE BAG?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/martincannon2000vote.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/martincannon2000vote.htm" http/A - http://www.newsmakingnews.com THE 2000 VOTE IN FLORIDA: WHO IS HOLDING THE BAG? By Martin Cannon © 2000 As I write, the outrageous Florida vote leaves the world uncertain whether Al Gore or George W. Bush will be the next president of the United States. Within hours, recount results will be announced by the Florida Secretary of State -- a Republican named Katherine Harris, who (as most non-Floridians do not know) has a shady history of receiving illegal campaign contributions and doing favors for wealthy backers. This is the woman who oversaw her state's bizarre election -- an election which, to note only the most famous oddity, gave Pat Buchanan his highest numbers in a heavily Jewish sector of the state. This same woman is the person we must now trust to "verify" Bush' s ascension to the White House. One question now haunts us -- a problem no mainstream pundit dare state nakedly: Do Republicans in Florida practice vote fraud? Harris won't seriously discuss the possibility. Neither will Florida governor Jeb Bush, brother to the national candidate. And I strongly doubt that former Secretary of State James Baker will look into the matter. But we must. ABSENTEE ANTICS Consider, first and foremost, the issue of absentee ballots. We've all read many news stories describing the Republican emphasis on voting "in the comfort of your own home." (Never mind the fact that absentee voting was originally instituted to help travelers, soldiers and the hospitalized, as opposed to the merely lazy.) The GOP routinely mails application forms en masse. In every state, the party seeks the loosest possible regulations on witnessing and identification. Absentee voting is, as the senior Bush might put it, a Republican "thing." Now consider these quotes from a report on vote fraud, published by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement: "Absentee Ballot Fraud: - The desire to facilitate the opportunity for each person to vote has resulted in increased opportunity to use absentee ballots improperly. (Once one has registered fraudulently, he or she can obtain an absentee ballot for every election thereafter if he or she wishes. The lack of "in-person, at-the-polls" accountability makes absentee ballots the "tool of choice" for those inclined to commit voter fraud.)" Further on: "The absentee ballot is the "tool of choice" for those who are engaging in election fraud. The absentee ballot's very nature makes it the mechanism to use when trying to capitalize on a voter's infirmities or desire to make some quick money. Both federal and Florida law make absentee ballots available to anyone who seeks them, with no requirement of "justification" for not appearing in person at the polls. Given this easy access to absentee ballots, the "tool of choice" will remain popular among those who corrupt the elections process. "The absentee ballot's integrity is only as good as the weakest link in the voter registration process, and the voter registration process is extremely open to fraud and abuse. Once registered to vote, any person may request and utilize an absentee ballot without ever having to appear in person to vote. If the voter registration process does not require significant proof of citizenship, address, and identity, then those inclined to commit fraud will capitalize on the process by successfully registering those who have no right to vote, and then "facilitate" their (illegal) vote by absentee ballot." Why does the Republican Party adore a form of voting which is the "tool of choice" for those who seek to abuse the system? This question brings us to the related issue of absentee votes originating overseas. Florida law allows voters outside the country to send in ballots on the day of the election; these votes may not be counted until as much as ten days later. George W. Bush has repeatedly assured the public that the overseas absentee vote still uncounted in Florida will surely break Republican. How can he be so certain? Why is this man smirking? The Republicans argue that the overseas absentee vote comes primarily from military personnel; fighting men, we are told, always stand with the G.O.P. But we should question that assumption. Today's military includes an extremely high number of black people, and blacks support Gore even more fervently than they did Clinton. White recruits often come from low-income families, and the poor are more likely to vote Democratic. It is reasonable to presume that those serving in the armed forces are quite sensitive (as the national press, sadly, was not) to the questions surrounding Bush's "missing year" in the National Guard. Soldiers have surely noticed that Gore served in Vietnam, a fate the well-connected Bush fils avoided. Beyond that: Why does Dubya seem so assured that all of those overseas votes will come
[CTRL] Bush Set to Fight An Electoral College Loss -11/1/00
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-11-01/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-86769.a sp Click Here: A HREF="http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-11-01/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-8 6769.asp"New York Daily News Online | News and Views | B /A - From: News and Views | Beyond the City | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 Bush Set to Fight An Electoral College Loss hey're not only thinking the unthinkable, they're planning for it. Quietly, some of George W. Bush's advisers are preparing for the ultimate "what if" scenario: What happens if Bush wins the popular vote for President, but loses the White House because Al Gore's won the majority of electoral votes? "Then we win," says a Gore aide. "You play by the rules in force at the time. If the nation were really outraged by the possibility, then the system would have been changed long ago. The history is clear." Yes it is, and it's fascinating. Twice before, Presidents have been elected after losing the popular vote. In 1876, New York Gov. Samuel Tilden won the popular vote (51% to 48%) but lost the presidency to Rutherford Hayes, who won by a single electoral vote. Twelve years later, in 1888, Grover Cleveland won the popular vote by a single percentage point, but lost his reelection bid to Benjamin Harrison by 65 electoral votes. The same thing almost happened in 1976 when Jimmy Carter topped Gerald Ford by about 1.7 million votes. Back then, a switch of about 5,500 votes in Ohio and 6,500 votes in Mississippi would have given those states to Ford, enough for an Electoral College victory. But because it didn't happen, the upset over its having almost happened faded rapidly. Why do we even have the Electoral College? Simply put, the Founding Fathers didn't imagine the emergence of national candidates when they wrote the Constitution, and, in any event, they didn't trust the people to elect the President directly. A lot has changed since then, including the anachronistic view that the majority should be feared. But the Electoral College remains. So what if Gore wins such crucial battleground states as Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania and thus captures the magic 270 electoral votes while Bush wins the overall nationwide popular vote? "The one thing we don't do is roll over," says a Bush aide. "We fight." How? The core of the emerging Bush strategy assumes a popular uprising, stoked by the Bushies themselves, of course. In league with the campaign which is preparing talking points about the Electoral College's essential unfairness a massive talk-radio operation would be encouraged. "We'd have ads, too," says a Bush aide, "and I think you can count on the media to fuel the thing big-time. Even papers that supported Gore might turn against him because the will of the people will have been thwarted." Local business leaders will be urged to lobby their customers, the clergy will be asked to speak up for the popular will and Team Bush will enlist as many Democrats as possible to scream as loud as they can. "You think 'Democrats for Democracy' would be a catchy term for them?" asks a Bush adviser. The universe of people who would be targeted by this insurrection is small the 538 currently anonymous folks called electors, people chosen by the campaigns and their state party organizations as a reward for their service over the years. If you bother to read the small print when you're in the booth, you'll notice that when you vote for President you're really selecting presidential electors who favor one candidate or the other. Generally, these electors are not legally bound to support the person they're supposedly pledged to when they gather in the various state capitals to cast their ballots on Dec. 18. The rules vary from state to state, but enough of the electors could theoretically switch to Bush if they wanted to if there was sufficient pressure on them to ratify the popular verdict. And what would happen if the "what if" scenario came out the other way? "Then we'd be doing the same thing Bush is apparently getting ready for," says a Gore campaign official. "They're just further along in their contingency thinking than we are. But we wouldn't lie down without a fight, either." - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial
[CTRL] Bush Authorizes Seeking Court Order To Stop Fla. Counties' Hand Recounts
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63633-2000Nov10.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63633-2000Nov10.html" Bush Authorizes Seeking Court Order To Stop Fla /A - Bush Authorizes Seeking Court Order To Stop Fla. Counties' Hand Recounts By Dan Balz Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, November 11, 2000; Page A01 As Florida officials prepared to begin the laborious process of counting votes by hand in four counties, Texas Gov. George W. Bush decided to take legal action today to try to block the manual recount, and his advisers accused Vice President Gore's campaign of trying to "unduly prolong" the process of determining who won Tuesday's presidential election. In a late-night phone call, Bush authorized former secretary of state James A. Baker III, who was brought in Wednesday to oversee the ongoing recount in Florida, to seek a court order today to block it. Earlier yesterday, Baker said the campaign would "vigorously oppose" efforts by Democrats "to keep recounting, over and over, until it happens to like the result." Baker warned that the post-election wrangling was in danger of spiraling "totally out of control." Not long after Baker's news conference in Tallahassee, Gore campaign chairman William Daley and former secretary of state Warren Christopher issued a measured rebuttal to Baker. Daley acknowledged that "waiting is unpleasant for all of us," but added: "Suggesting that the outcome of a vote is known before all the ballots are properly counted is inappropriate." Daley came under pressure from some Democrats to cool the rhetoric of Thursday, when he spoke of legal action by the Gore campaign that could lead to a revote or some other remedy to resolve thousands of disputed ballots in Palm Beach County. Gore officials said privately that while the campaign's tone may have changed, the possibility of participating in one of several lawsuits in that county remained under consideration. They said they were aware of the widespread desire not to let the issue drag on in the courts indefinitely, particularly once all the overseas ballots have been counted by next Friday. Christopher told reporters: "This is an orderly process. We have no reason to want to slow it down." The decision by the Bush campaign to go to court could further delay a resolution in Florida while heightening the tensions that have been growing between Republicans and Democrats since an emotional election night that left the outcome of the presidential race in doubt. In Austin, Bush told reporters that he and vice presidential running mate Richard B. Cheney will "be ready" if the vote count in Florida that now shows him ahead by fewer than 350 votes is certified. Under fire from the Gore camp for appearing to be moving precipitously to staff a Bush administration, the Texas governor said, "It's in our country's best interest that we plan in a responsible way a possible administration." Bush was photographed with several people who are considered likely to join that administration, if the GOP nominee is declared the winner. They included including foreign policy adviser Condoleezza Rice, economic adviser Larry Lindsey and former transportation secretary Andrew Card, said to be in line to become White House chief of staff. Gore, back from Nashville, held a photo opportunity of his own on the grounds of the vice presidential residence at the Naval Observatory, where he was seen playing touch football with his family. But he answered no substantive questions about the ongoing drama in Florida. Later, he went to a football banquet at his son's high school. Aides said he remained in close touch with Christopher and Daley about developments in Florida. His vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, told CBS News he did not foresee any conclusion before Friday, by which time all remaining overseas absentee ballots are to be counted. "Then the judgment will be up to both the campaigns, and I'm hopeful that by next Friday Al Gore and I will be ahead in Florida," he said. Meanwhile, the threat of vote recounts spread to other states where Bush and Gore had run virtually even on Tuesday's balloting. That development could add to the chaos that has followed from a roller-coaster election night in which Gore conceded the election in a phone call to Bush and then withdrew his concession barely an hour later. In New Mexico, where Gore had led unofficially by 6,825 votes, tallies released late yesterday gave Bush a lead of 17 votes, with 370 additional special absentee ballots remaining to be counted next week. In Wisconsin, state GOP officials threatened to demand a recount after tabulating showed Gore leading by only about 6,000 votes. In Iowa, where Gore leads by about 5,000 votes, Bush has until late next week to request a recount. In Oregon, an automatic recount would be triggered if Gore's lead, now just under 6,000 votes, is cut
[CTRL] Was Nixon Robbed? - The legend of the stolen 1960 presidential election.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://slate.msn.com/historylesson/00-10-16/historylesson.asp Click Here: A HREF="http://slate.msn.com/historylesson/00-10-16/historylesson.asp"Was Nixon Robbed? - The legend of the stolen 19 /A - Was Nixon Robbed? The legend of the stolen 1960 presidential election. By David Greenberg Posted Monday, Oct. 16, 2000, at 10:30 a.m. PT John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon"You gotta swallow this one," says a Republican hack in Oliver Stone's Nixon, referring to the 1960 election, in which John F. Kennedy prevailed. "They stole it fair and square." That Richard Nixon was cheated out of the presidency in 1960 has become almost an accepted fact. You've probably heard the allegations: Kennedy's operatives fixed the tallies in Texas and Illinois, giving him those states' 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College. Fearing that to question the results would harm the country, Nixon checked his pride and declined to mount a challenge. The story is rich in irony: The much-hated Nixon, later driven from the presidency for cheating in an election, puts country before personal gain. The beloved Kennedy, waltzing through life, pulls off the political crime of the century. Nixon's defenders like the story because it diminishes Watergate. His detractors like it since it allows them to appear less than knee-jerkmagnanimously crediting Nixon with noble behavior while eluding charges of Kennedy worship. Ironic, yes. But true? The race was indeed closethe closest of the century. Kennedy received only 113,000 votes more than Nixon out of the 68 million ballots cast. His 303-219 electoral-vote margin obscured the fact that many states besides Texas and Illinois could have gone either way. California's 32 electoral votes, for example, originally fell into Kennedy's column, but Nixon claimed them on Nov. 17 after absentee ballots were added. Even before Election Day, rumors circulated about fraud, especially in Chicago, where Mayor Richard Daley's machine was known for delivering whopping Democratic tallies by fair means and foul. When it became clear how narrowly Nixon lost, outraged Republicans grew convinced that cheating had tipped the election and lobbied for an investigation. Nixon always insisted that others, including President Eisenhower, encouraged him to dispute the outcome but that he refused. A challenge, he told others, would cause a "constitutional crisis," hurt America in the eyes of the world, and "tear the country apart." Besides, he added, pursuing the claims would mean "charges of 'sore loser' would follow me through history and remove any possibility of a further political career." Classic Nixon: "Others" urge him to follow a less admirable course, but he spurns their advice for the high road. (William Safire once noted that he always used to tell Nixon to take the easy path so that Nixon could say in his speeches, "Others will say we should take the easy course, but ") Apart from the suspect neatness of this account, however, there are reasons to doubt its veracity. First, Eisenhower quickly withdrew his support for a challenge, making it hard for Nixon to go forward. According to Nixon's friend Ralph De Toledano, a conservative journalist, Nixon knew Ike's position yet claimed anyway that he, not the president, was the one advocating restraint. "This was the first time I ever caught Nixon in a lie," Toledano recalled. More to the point, while Nixon publicly pooh-poohed a challenge, his allies did dispute the resultsaggressively. The New York Herald Tribune's Earl Mazo, a friend and biographer of Nixon's, recounted a dozen-odd fishy incidents alleged by Republicans in Illinois and Texas. Largely due to Mazo's reporting, the charges gained wide acceptance. But it wasn't just Mazo who made a stink. The press went into a brief frenzy in the weeks after the election. Most important, the Republican Party made a veritable crusade of undoing the results. Even if they ultimately failed, party leaders figured, they could taint Kennedy's victory, claim he had no mandate for his agenda, galvanize the rank and file, and have a winning issue for upcoming elections. Three days after the election, party Chairman Sen. Thruston Morton launched bids for recounts and investigations in 11 statesan action that Democratic Sen. Henry Jackson attacked as a "fishing expedition." Eight days later, close Nixon aides, including Bob Finch and Len Hall, sent agents to conduct "field checks" in eight of those states. Peter Flanigan, another aide, encouraged the creation of a Nixon Recount Committee in Chicago. All the while, everyone claimed that Nixon knew nothing of these effortsan implausible assertion that could only have been designed to help Nixon dodge the dreaded "sore loser" label. The Republicans pressed their case doggedly. They succeeded in obtaining recounts, empanelling grand juries, and involving U.S. attorneys and the FBI. Appeals were heard, claims
Re: [CTRL] Just a little reminder about American democracy.
-Caveat Lector- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No matter which Big Business flunky wins the election, 75% of the rest of the country's eligible voters doesn't want him. 51% didn't vote because they didn't want either one of these candidates ( among other reasons ). 25% voted for Bush or Gore, one of whom will lose. Total = 75% of Americans don't want the next President. I dare anybody to call this democracy. The numbers aren't all that different for any election going back to 1980; the fact is, the majority of those eligible to vote don't actually do so...so anyone who has ever claimed a 'landslide victory' in the past 20 years hardly achieved a mandate from the public, when more than half stayed home and didn't vote. And don't think that this problem with ballots is new...it has happened in every election. Only difference now is that it is so close as to make people sit up and take notice of what has routinely been swept under the rug in the past. June I totally agree with you. But actually the decline started after WWII when the Council on Foreign Realations came into it's own. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Steal Something Day!
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:31:08 -0600 K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Better yet, once a week or so do what I do and have a "lets eat for free at the supermarket" day. Just go into that corporate cash-cow, get the best salami sticks from the deli, olives, kabana, some cheese and pate (to taste), a few chocolate bars etc. and a container of fruit juice or whatever. As you wander around looking at the Ahh, come on - forget the penny ante stuff. Show us what you're made of - steal a police cruiser! ### Surprisingly there seem to be a number of criminals who do quite well for themselves stealing from police cars. Police often leave valuables, firearms, drugs etc lying around in their cars and they don't expect anyone to try and break into them. Also police often run off from their cars in hot pursuit without properly locking them up (even leaving doors unlocked or open etc.) And when waws the last time you saw a steering wheel lock or a car alarm on a police car? The freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right - subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. -L Neil Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just a little reminder about American democracy.
-Caveat Lector- No matter which Big Business flunky wins the election, 75% of the rest of the country's eligible voters doesn't want him. 51% didn't vote because they didn't want either one of these candidates ( among other reasons ). 25% voted for Bush or Gore, one of whom will lose. Total = 75% of Americans don't want the next President. I dare anybody to call this democracy. Joshua2 One should not dare to call this a democracy since it is not a democracy. It is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. It was intentionally not a democracy because the Founders were well aware that a "democracy" is merely a tyranny of the majority over the minority. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHECK THIS: FR: Credibility of ballot suit claimants questioned
-Caveat Lector- CREDIBILITY OF BALLOT SUIT CLAIMANTS QUESTIONED A Nexis search of Florida newspapers shows all three plaintiffs, Abigail McCarthy, Lillian Gaines, and Andre Fladell are savvy activists with political experience, not the sort of voters whod be stymied by a ballot layout. Yet as the plaintiffs at the center of a historic suit, each plans to testify that they personally voted for Patrick Buchanan when they were aiming to vote for Al Gore. Lillian Gaines says shes mortified that she might have voted for Buchanan."I went to the polls for one specific reason, to vote for Gore I hit the second hole. I am sure I did," she told the Associated Press. "Somehow my right to vote had been taken away from me." But Gaines, now a homemaker, was for several years a member of the Childrens Services Council, a big-budget, taxpayer-financed group in Palm Beach County. Gaines popped up in local newspapers in 1993 when she defended the groups expenditure of $6,000 in taxpayer money on a beachside retreat. "From time to time, an organization needs to look at themselves," she told the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel as a reason why taxpayers should put her and her fellow council members up in a resort hotel. Abigail McCarthy also claims she cast the wrong vote, but shes a County Commissioner, hardly a political naïf and presumably someone who can navigate a ballot. Andre Fladell, with lawyer Howard Weiss, was a guest on CNNs Larry King Live Thursday night. "I had no idea that in this country you have to read zig-zag and diagonal to know who youre voting for," he complained. "I didnt go there to take a test. I went in to vote for President." He told CNSNews.com that when it came to voting, "I wasnt too bright." But Fladell, dim as he may be, is more than just the chiropractor which many news accounts say he is. Hes also a political consultant and Democratic activist, who celebrated his hardball approach in a 1999 interview. "Politics is the greatest challenge," Fladell proclaimed to local journalist Harris Meyer. "Its where the best and worst in people comes out. You get the adrenaline of war without having to physically hurt anyone. --- Published: Unknown Author: Florida Papers Posted on 11/11/2000 05:45:07 PST by oneway http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a0d4d636d71.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: Ballot designer, under fire, hires lawyer and hides out
-Caveat Lector- Ballot designer, under fire, hires lawyer and hides out By ALLEN G. BREED ASSOCIATED PRESS WEST PALM BEACH, FLA. Theresa LePore might be the most reviled Democrat in the country. LePore is the Palm Beach County supervisor of elections who designed the ballot that some Democrats say was so confusing it may have cost Al Gore the election. More than 19,000 of the ballots were disqualified Tuesday, mostly because people voted for two candidates in the presidential race. Others say they mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Gore. Now, LePore has been hit with voter lawsuits. A Democratic state lawmaker said he plans to organize a petition drive to force her from her elective office. And demonstrators and others have denounced her. Robert Montgomery Jr., a lawyer who defended two former Salvadoran generals cleared of responsibility in a Miami courtroom last week for the 1980 murders of four American church women, has been hired by LePore to represent her in the numerous lawsuits. LePore, 45, has said she sent the ballot to dozens of candidates and others before the election and heard no complaints. She said she designed the ballot to make the print easier to read for senior citizens -- one of the groups most incensed by the election. She has gone into semi-seclusion since the controversy erupted. Given her history, friends said it is amazing that LePore should be caught up in such a maelstrom. The daughter of a West Palm Beach city commissioner, LePore is a staunch Democrat. She took an after-school job as a clerk in the county elections office in 1971 at age 16, before she was even old enough to vote. From there, she advanced to secretary to the assistant elections supervisor, then to supervisor in 1995. ``She has done nothing but work for that county,'' said Mary Marsh, LePore's younger sister. ``I think the only time that she's not working is when she's sleeping.'' = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AP: Ballot designer, under fire, hires lawyer and hides out
-Caveat Lector- How predictable. A woman takes the blame again. On 11 Nov 2000, at 20:09, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: Ballot designer, under fire, hires lawyer and hides out By ALLEN G. BREED ASSOCIATED PRESS WEST PALM BEACH, FLA. Theresa LePore might be the most reviled Democrat in the country. LePore is the Palm Beach County supervisor of elections who designed the ballot that some Democrats say was so confusing it may have cost Al Gore the election. More than 19,000 of the ballots were disqualified Tuesday, mostly because people voted for two candidates in the presidential race. Others say they mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Gore. Now, LePore has been hit with voter lawsuits. A Democratic state lawmaker said he plans to organize a petition drive to force her from her elective office. And demonstrators and others have denounced her. Robert Montgomery Jr., a lawyer who defended two former Salvadoran generals cleared of responsibility in a Miami courtroom last week for the 1980 murders of four American church women, has been hired by LePore to represent her in the numerous lawsuits. LePore, 45, has said she sent the ballot to dozens of candidates and others before the election and heard no complaints. She said she designed the ballot to make the print easier to read for senior citizens -- one of the groups most incensed by the election. She has gone into semi-seclusion since the controversy erupted. Given her history, friends said it is amazing that LePore should be caught up in such a maelstrom. The daughter of a West Palm Beach city commissioner, LePore is a staunch Democrat. She took an after-school job as a clerk in the county elections office in 1971 at age 16, before she was even old enough to vote. From there, she advanced to secretary to the assistant elections supervisor, then to supervisor in 1995. ``She has done nothing but work for that county,'' said Mary Marsh, LePore's younger sister. ``I think the only time that she's not working is when she's sleeping.'' ### A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. -- Thomas Jefferson (1801) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Alleged 'Election' - What's Happening
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Alleged 'Election' - What's Happening Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:30 PM The Alleged 'Election' - What's Happening By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skolnicksreport.com 11/8/00 In effect, the year 2000 presidential election has been cancelled. So, to be legally accurate, I prefer to call it the alleged "election". Here is what is happening as of the time I am writing this posting: 1. Good sources told us long before the alleged "election", that the matter may be resolved in Chicago. The Mayor of Chicago, Richard M. Daley, has his brother William as the Gore Presidential Campaign Chief. In previous stories, I have written about Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA officials, some of whom are also federal judges, such as in Chicago [unconstitutional, right?], have reportedly been communicating with the two Daleys. They demand "co-operation", impliedly a threat. That is, that the Mayor and his brother not stand in the way of the FEMA officials orchestrating the outcome. As we have pointed out in 1991 in federal court, and in my previous posting, FEMA is ABOVE the U.S. Constitution, ABOVE the presidency and the Congress [unconstitutional, right?]. 2. The Florida presidential vote matter is to be submitted, under Florida law making it mandatory, to an automatic recount because of the closeness of the alleged result. Vote fraud has been raised. [What about the TV and radio networks OWN VOTE FRAUD through their votescam computer in New York?] The recount matter would take at least until after February, at the earliest, making the usual Presidential inauguration cancelled. Some thought President Clinton was hallucinating, when months ago he said he is not leaving the White House even after the year 2000 Election. If the recount is challenged in Court, the matter would go on, according to my estimate, to April or June, 2001, at the earliest. If the matter gets to Court, the Democrats may well publicly proclaim that Florida judges are beholden to the American CIA. Remember how the Florida judge barred testimony implicating George Herbert Walkert Bush, in the Manuel Noriega prosecution. Old man Bush, as former head of America's secret political police, the CIA, installed various dictators, including Iraq's Saddam Hussein and Noriega, among others. Revelations about the CIA's domination of the Florida judicary inevitably may have something to say about The Coca-Cola Company and the CIA and the Courts, in next door Georgia. [See our website series, "Coca-Cola, CIA, and the Courts".] 3. Like in the Tilden-Hayes mess in the 19th Century, the Bush-Gore matter will most likely be submitted to the Electoral Commission, under the 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In the prior commotion, they reached a compromise as to how post-Civil War reconstruction was to proceed. In the current controversy, they may ORDER a compromise, that is, that a person, not on the year 2000 Presidental Election ballot, be selected, by the Electoral College, as the "elected" President. That has been pre-judged to be John D. Rockefeller 4th, who calls himself Jay to be cute. The Democrats have various blackmail bargaining chips when blackmail has traditionally been the criterion as to key matters: * Documents exist showing the elder Bush was implicated in covering up the plot to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. [One such document is posted in a previous story of mine as to Bush.] * Documents exist showing the Bush family is directly in business with the Queen of England through her bank, Coutts Bank, London. [See our prior series, Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush.] Since the War of 1812, the British have vowed to take back this continent as a British puppet colony. William Rockefeller Clinton was sent by the Rhodes Trust to be educated at Oxford. The Rhodes Trust is pledged to overthrowing the American government and restoring British domination. The Brits played a role in steering up known hostility between the South and the North, Divide and Conquer, to foment the American Civil War. The Brits ran the Union forces blockade to supply weapons to the Confederacy. One Confederate top official fled this Continent and lived out his life in England. The British played a role in the political assassination of President James Garfield and President William McKinley, who opposed Britain trying to dominate American aspirations and industrial development. Clinton took a pledge to support the Rhodes Trust. He did not finish his Oxford education, having been ordered, under threat of criminal prosecution, to leave England for having raped a British woman. Later, as President, he twice
[CTRL] Counter-Protests for Bush (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:23:45 -0600 From: Brenda Jinkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Counter-Protests for Bush If you have not received the word, the environmentalists are planning these against Bush all over the country for today and for next Saturday at 1:00 pm local time: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:04:53 -0600 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EF!] A Nation Rumbles... As word spreads of large scale nation-wide protests ( http://geocities.com/countercoup/ ) against Republican Headquarters and Election Board Offices we should use this as an opportunity to "fuel the fire". I encourage everyone who has a local Republican HQ, Federal Building, etc. to organize a protest against this phony election mess... Imagine, bashing the Republicans and getting millions of outraged Americans to show up! The chasm between the two parties and their supporters is great right now, bars are rip with fights and arguments, America is ready to rumble, let's give 'em one hell of a fight! Good Luck, PS Chicago's demo is Saturday at 1pm in Daley Plaza... Red Gate Earth First! Protest sites for this 11/11, 1PM your local time: (alphabetical by city) Asheville, NC: Pack Square. Ann Arbor, MI: Federal Building. Athens, GA: College Square, downtown Athens. Athens, OH: the old courthouse, Court street. Atlanta: Olympic Park, across from CNN headquarters. Austin, TX: the Governor's Mansion in downtown Austin. Baltimore: Federal Building, Hopkins' Plaza. Bellingham, WA: Federal Building. Bloomington, IN: Justice Building at 301 College St. Boston: Capitol steps facing the Commons. Buffalo, NY: City Hall. Chicago: Daley Plaza @ Washington Clark. Cleveland, OH: Mall C at the "Free" Stamp statue. Columbus, OH: Statehouse lawn. Dallas: JFK Memorial (court district). Denver: The circle in front of the State Capitol. Des Moines, IA: State Capitol Steps. Eugene, OR: Public space in front of City Hall. Eureka, CA: County Courthouse. Grand forks, ND: City Hall. Grand Rapids, MI: Indian Mounds by the Ford Museum. Houston, TX: Jones Plaza downtown. Iowa City: Front steps of the Old Capitol. Knoxville, TN: World's Fair Park. Lansing, MI: Capital Steps. Little Rock: Old State House. Los Angeles: Federal Building at 11000 Wilshire Blvd. Memphis, TN: Bush Headquarters, 1245 Ridgeway. Miami: Bayfront Park Milwaukee: Cathederal Square Park (WellsJefferson). Minneapolis, MN: City Hall and Federal Courthouse at 5th St. 3rd Ave. Nashville: Executive Plaza, downtown Nachville. New York: Times Square. Northampton, MA: Courthouse (at King Main). Oakland, CA: Frank Osagawa Plaza, city center. Olympia, WA: Fountain on the Capitol Campus. Orlando, Fla: Lake Eola Park, by band shell. Palm Springs, CA: City Hall. Peoria, IL: Constitution Plaza. Philadelphia: Independence Mall. Phoenix: Patriot's Park. Portland, OR: Pioneer Courthouse Square. Providence, RI: Kennedy Plaza. Richmond, VA: front of State Capitol building. Rochester, NY: Manhattan Sq. Park. Sacramento: State Capitol. San Antonio: The Alamo. San Diego: In front of Building A-San Diego City College. San Francisco: Justin Herman Plaza. Santa Cruz: Clock tower. Santa Fe: Plaza downtown. Seattle: Central Community College. St. Paul, MN: Capitol building. Tallahassee, Fla: state Capitol building. Tampa, Fla: The Old Gandy Bridge-Gandy Blvd. Washington DC: the U.S. Capitol building steps at the end of the Mall. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] Crop Circles - Technical Blueprints of Future Human Inventions?
-Caveat Lector- Something I found on a web discussion board. Anybody ever heard of this? Now try this on for size. What if advanced societies have determined that drawing renditions of soon-to-be-innovated-devices by the lesser advanced society is the perfect safest way of introducing themselves to that lesser advanced civilization? That way, as soon as the less advanced society innovates those "new" devices they will recognize those drawn renditions for what they really are. And soon figure out that they where drawn in the first place as an invitation to be responded to rather then as an enigmatic oddity. Think about it. If our advanced brethren where to land unannounced en mass upon the White House lawn what kind of reaction would ensue. Pandimonium hostilities come to mind, don't they? BUT,, by going about initiating contact in this manner all the options are in our hands. We decide when to meet we will be expecting them when they do come. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The REAL conspiracy behind the election farce
-Caveat Lector- It is my considered opinion that this election is being manipulated and engineered for various reasons BUT that chief among them are these: 1) To get people to think that there votes are important and that THEY decide who is elected to office. 2) End apathy at the polls so that MORE people will vote, creating larger numbers which are more easily manipulated. 3) Get people to go for direct computer voting and "instant" tabulation to "avoid" error and end deadlocks and confusion. Mark my words if this doesn't start to come out in the weeks ahead more and more. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The REAL conspiracy behind the election farce
-Caveat Lector- How about ... federal control of elections ... including but not limited to a national id? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: Recount Proceeds in Defiance of State Secretary's Ballot Ruling
-Caveat Lector- With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Saturday November 11, 2000; 3:15 PM ET Recount Proceeds in Defiance of State Secretary's Ballot Ruling A hand recount of Palm Beach County's ballots was scheduled to proceed Saturday afternoon despite a determination by Florida's Secretary of State contradicting Democrats who complained that the ballot's design was "illegal." Questions about the county's "butterfly ballot" format had been the driving force behind calls for a recount from Florida Democrats all week, with the Gore campaign and its allies repeatedly claiming that the ballot did not comply with state law. But Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a Republican elected in 1998, blew that argument out of the water late Friday, in a statement announcing that Palm Beach County's butterfly ballot "conforms in all respects to the requirements of the Florida law." "The Department of State has now reviewed the Palm Beach County ballot," her office announced. "Clay Roberts, director of the Division of Elections, and Deborah Kearney, general counsel for the Department of State, have determined that the design and layout of the ballot does conform to the law of the state of Florida." Harris' ruling severely erodes the impact of Democrat claims that some 30,000 Palm Beach voters were "disenfranchised" when voting machines rejected their ballots. A handful of Palm Beach residents have complained the ballot left them so confused they inadvertently ruined their ballots or voted for the wrong candidate. Underscoring the importance of the Secretary of State's determination, Gore campaign manager Bill Daley rushed to the microphones to respond. "Legal experts have told us that they see it as an illegal ballot," he countered, without saying whether the Gore campaign planned to challenge Harris' decision in court. As a Florida state official, Harris has legal jurisdiction over the matter while Daley and his Democratic Party lawyers have none. Despite the blockbuster ruling, most Americans remain unaware that the central complaint driving the historic post election crisis has been judged meritless by Florida authorities. Harris' ruling was barely noted in Saturday press accounts. Indeed, the establishment press continued to cover the ballot story as if Harris' decision had no legal impact whatsoever. Saturday's New York Times offered a reproduction of the document complete with sidebars explaining why so many voters were confused. The Times captioned the diagram: "Defective Equipment: The Palm Beach County Ballot." With a green light from the media if not from Harris, Palm Beach Democratic officials pressed ahead with plans for a hand recount. The initial decision for a manual recount was made by the county's "three member (canvassing) board, consisting only of Democrats, which granted requests Thursday as protesters and lawsuits against Palm Beach County's 'butterfly ballot' piled up," reported Saturday's Palm Beach Post. "The suits claim the ballot book was illegal..." Saturday morning the Bush campaign announced it was filing suit to stop the manual recount and will undoubtedly cite Harris' ruling that Palm Beach County's butterfly ballot is entirely legal. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Crop Circles - Technical Blueprints of Future Human Inventions?
-Caveat Lector- Other societies, alien abduction? In an advanced society with matter reproduction what would be traded on an intergalactic stock market? gold and diamonds can be reproduced. So, the trade item - DNA source codes. Some here on Earth would say that they have the DNA source codes, I ask do they have the bacteria that have kept those source codes alive? Whoops, seems as if some think that they can get rid of all animals and many plants. replicate dinosaurs - do they have the bacteria to support them? If microbes were that important, how would you find out if your experiment were viable? The Earth as a virus scan??? This means that if we are suicidal, Messing up our play pen, will be allowed out? We have added so many things to our DNA that I would never consider time travel if it were invented. We would kill our (earlier) selves before we have a chance to evolve. http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ Laura Lee Lanning~Shipton 12 Nov 2000 Damaeus wrote: -Caveat Lector- Something I found on a web discussion board. Anybody ever heard of this? Now try this on for size. What if advanced societies have determined that drawing renditions of soon-to-be-innovated-devices by the lesser advanced society is the perfect safest way of introducing themselves to that lesser advanced civilization? That way, as soon as the less advanced society innovates those "new" devices they will recognize those drawn renditions for what they really are. And soon figure out that they where drawn in the first place as an invitation to be responded to rather then as an enigmatic oddity. Think about it. If our advanced brethren where to land unannounced en mass upon the White House lawn what kind of reaction would ensue. Pandimonium hostilities come to mind, don't they? BUT,, by going about initiating contact in this manner all the options are in our hands. We decide when to meet we will be expecting them when they do come. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] The REAL conspiracy behind the election farce
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/11/2000 11:34:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is my considered opinion that this election is being manipulated and engineered... To get people to think that their votes are important and that THEY decide who is elected to office. __ You are right on target with this. The build-up for the present situation started with the phony polls in the media leading up to the election. One day it would be Gore with the lead, next day it would be Bush. So the public expected a very close election. Now they are recounting, and then recounting the recount. Now we are hearing about "legal challenges". Now we are hearing about there may be recounts in other states. Now we are hearing about how the Electoral College should be abolished. Consider this. Last summer, Bill Clinton quietly put Janet Reno in charge of FEMA responses to domestic disturbances. Her appointment became effective October 1st. This position has always be held by the Secretary of Defenseuntil now. Reno's appointment to this position is really strange. The DoD is trained and equipped to respond to such situations. The paper pushers at the Dept. of Justice are not. Alsowhy would Clinton put Reno in this position when she, and the rest of his Administration is supposed to be leaving office in January? Why make an appointment which will only last for 3 months? If this election turmoil really gets ugly, we may learn the hard way why Clinton put Reno in charge of responding to domestic disturbancesbecause we may have some for her to respond to. And at Waco, Reno proved just how effective she can be at managing such situations. Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] On Fla. Law: The reason for manually counting three counties
-Caveat Lector- http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_StatuteURL=C h0102/ch0102.htm [ ... ] d) The manual recount must include at least three precincts and at least 1 percent of the total votes cast for such candidate or issue. In the event there are less than three precincts involved in the election, all precincts shall be counted. The person who requested the recount shall choose three precincts to be recounted, and, if other precincts are recounted, the county canvassing board shall select the additional precincts. [ ... ] = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Year-Olds Master Butterfly Ballots
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Have any of the Republicans taken a statistics and probability course in
college? It was required at the University of Texas at Austin (Bush's center
of power) for all freshman engineering students. I'll bet George Bush does
not understand probability and statistic one bit. I'll bet George Bush has
trouble even reading or pronouncing the words.
I wonder, serously, if dyslexic, possibly reading-impaired G. Dubya Bush
could have properly voted for even himself, especially on the West Palm
Beach ballot.
It is sad, really sad... But it will come to an end.
Steve
On 11 Nov 00, at 22:05, Steve Wingate wrote:
A control sample of say, 25 kids (corresponding to the 25 electoral votes of
Florida) means nothing.
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[CTRL] NYP: LAW PROFS: PALM BEACHERS HAVE GOOD CASE
-Caveat Lector- PALM BEACHERS HAVE GOOD CASE: LAW PROFS New York Post-Friday, November 10, 2000 By ANDY GELLER A challenge to the Palm Beach County election results could have solid legal grounds, experts said yesterday. "The evidence of voter confusion is very strong," said Terry Smith, an associate professor at Fordham Law School, adding, "Legally, [the Gore campaign] has a good case." Palm Beach voters, many of whom maintain they mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan, could argue that the confusing ballot design deprived them of their constitutional rights. Experts say Florida election law is so broad that it allows elections to be challenged if there is evidence that the wrong person received the most votes. Elizabeth Garrett, a University of Chicago Law School professor, said Palm Beach County voters don't have to establish that the confusion was intentional: "People can vote wrong all the time. But the question here was whether this was systematic, and it appears that it was. It looks like something was seriously wrong." Smith said the courts have ruled that voting is a fundamental right that is a precondition to all other liberties. "You can't have a fundamental right that can't be exercised," Smith said. "A fundamental right is hollow if the ballot is arranged in such a way that you can't tell who you're voting for." Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe said the best solution "is to redo the election in the precincts where the ballots were confusing. A new election could be held very quickly if the court acts quickly." If the Palm Beach challenge - which could eventually wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court - is successful, it could set a precedent for losing candidates around the country. Experts say no balloting anywhere is 100 percent perfect. Meanwhile, the Florida mess has revived calls for abolishing the Electoral College, a move supported by Eugene Volokh, a UCLA Law School professor who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. "The electoral system is so weird, so divorced from reality, that it doesn't have credibility with the public. Most people would find the proportional system of election more credible," he said. David Rudenstine, a visiting scholar at Princeton, disagreed, saying abolition of the Electoral College might encourage politicians to ignore smaller states. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ND: Knock and Drag
-Caveat Lector- "Democrats have a simple phrase that sums up their voter-turnout effort: "knock and drag." A crew of paid workers storms through predominantly black neighborhoods and coaxes, cajoles, or browbeats every registered voter to the polls. It's a form of political activity that was well-known in the big-city, white-ethnic machines of the past but has only recently emerged as a key to black turnout." NEWARK DISPATCH Knock and Drag by Ryan Lizza The New Republic Nov. 9, 2000 Regena Thomas is not a speechwriter or a campaign manager. She doesn't craft political ads or appear on the Sunday talk shows. Even among political junkies, she's virtually unknown. But she's one of the most important Democratic Party operatives in the country. In fact, Thomasalong with others like heris a big reason the Democrats have now exceeded expectations in three consecutive national elections. Thomas gets black voters to the polls. With her help and $65 million, Jon Corzine won a New Jersey Senate seat this week; Al Gore took the state's 15 electoral votes going away. And Thomas's turnout operation, developed in New Jersey, has been replicated to similar effect across the country. Programs in Philadelphia and Detroit helped Gore win crucial swing states Pennsylvania and Michigan. In New York, Hillary Clinton's turnout program helped her crush Rick Lazio by twelve points, with black turnout increasing 2 percent relative to the 1998 Senate race. In all-important Florida, black turnout jumped from 10 percent in 1996 to 16 percent this year, even though blacks make up just 13 percent of the voting-age population. In Missouri, another swing state, black turnout jumped seven points from 1996. "Black turnout was astronomical," says Thomas, who, in addition to New Jersey, worked on turnout programs in Missouri, Delaware, Michigan, Florida, and Virginia. "Our margins of victory were in urban areas." Democrats have a simple phrase that sums up their voter-turnout effort: "knock and drag." A crew of paid workers storms through predominantly black neighborhoods and coaxes, cajoles, or browbeats every registered voter to the polls. It's a form of political activity that was well-known in the big-city, white-ethnic machines of the past but has only recently emerged as a key to black turnout. In 1989, the late Ron Brown, then the newly appointed chairman of the Democratic National Committee, introduced a revolutionary way to conduct Democratic campaigns, which he called the "coordinated campaign." It required all the candidates on the Democratic ticket in each state to pool a portion of their resources for a joint effort to turn out Democratic voters. In 1989 test races in New Jersey and Virginia, the plan was a startling success, and it became the model used to elect Bill Clinton and Al Gore in 1992. After the 1994 Republican landslide, when the Democratic base stayed home, the party refined the concept, dispatching a team of consultants to New Jersey to poll and conduct focus groups with black voters. "The reason that we came to New Jersey is that New Jersey's African American voters have a reputation for being historically one of the toughest African American electorates in the country," says Ron Lester, a black pollster and Corzine consultant. In 1996, Thomas put the model to work for Democratic Representative Robert Torricelli, who was locked in a dead-heat Senate race with Republican Richard Zimmer. But on Election Day Torricelli won by ten points. His margin came almost entirely from black voters. New Jersey Democrats had found the key to electoral victory. The following year, applying the turnout techniques of the Torricelli campaign, Democrat Jim McGreevey came from nowhere to within 26,000 votes of unseating popular Governor Christie Todd Whitman, with Whitman's share of the black vote dropping eight points from her 1993 race. A study comparing the tight 1997 race to Whitman's 1993 victory over Democrat Jim Floriowho had no black turnout programis treated like a state secret within the party. "It's remarkable," says Corzine campaign manager Stephan DeMicco, who declined to share a copy of the study with me. "It's got too much strategic power for us The study of '93 to '97 has resulted in whole new approaches to electoral targeting for us. The lessons that we learned from that study ... are being applied in many other states now." "We actually call it ... the New Jersey Plan," says Thomas, who, like DeMicco, is a veteran of New Jersey campaigns going back to 1996. "When we go to Georgia, they will tell you, it's the New Jersey Plan." Thomas, along with three other prominent black Democratic womenGore campaign manager Donna Brazile; Bill Clinton's political director, Minyon Moore; and Allison McLaurin of the Democratic Governor's Associationhas taken the lead in promoting the turnout model within the party. The four call themselves "The Colored Girls Club." wo nights before
[CTRL] NYT: Democracy's Rusty Machinery
-Caveat Lector- [Note correction at bottom.] November 11, 2000 Democracy's Rusty Machinery hat has become embarrassingly clear over the last few anxious days is that the world's most powerful democracy needs to figure out a better way to vote for president. The stories coming out of Florida this week are bad enough ó ballots missing or stuck together, holes punched for the wrong candidate, questionable absentee ballots. But as Florida's election officials squirm under the international spotlight, voting supervisors in other states are wincing sympathetically, many fearing that their own systems might look just as flawed under such relentless public inspection. For all the money and energy spent on campaigns, too few of the nation's resources are devoted to the mechanics of voting. It is time to take care of the details. Voting in America is essentially a local affair. Each state crafts its own voting system, and most pass along some control to local governments. In some states, different counties have different ballots. The hodgepodge that results on Election Day is scarcely noticeable until something dramatic happens ó like this year's apparent foul-ups in Florida, which may have made the difference in an excruciatingly close race. Somewhere in the variety of balloting techniques lies a good solution. Oregonians send in all their votes by mail ó a system that may be steady but is also very slow. New York City and a few other urban areas still use medieval voting machines that have been out of production for 20 years. California and many other states use a punch- card system, presumably with friendlier ballots than the ones in Palm Beach County. But for all of America's faith in technology, digital voting is still eyed with suspicion. An experiment with Internet voting earlier this year in Arizona drew criticism that it favored voters with computers rather than those who voted the old-fashioned way ó by coming to the polls on Election Day. A.T.M.-style voting machines loom as a possibility, but also raise questions. Would a voter need the equivalent of an A.T.M. card and a secret number? Less digitally minded critics suggest that instead of fancy new equipment, what most polling places really need are more trained people to help those who get confused. Others suggest that Congress establish a special commission to design a national ballot for the presidency, with incentives for states that conform to it. Whatever the remedy, this disturbing election certainly makes the case for more resources to help states struggling with old equipment or imperfect systems. The next president-elect, his scars still fresh from this week's endless recounts, should take on the task of figuring out a fairer, safer way for America to cast its most important vote. CORRECTION An editorial yesterday on the Florida election controversy said incorrectly that in the 1996 presidential election almost 15,000 ballots were disqualified in Palm Beach County because voters had punched in votes for two candidates. The county's supervisor of elections office says that number represents all ballots that were disqualified, not just those disqualified for double-punching. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reu: Police find locked ballot box at Miami hotel
-Caveat Lector- Saturday November 11, 6:49 PM Police find locked ballot box at Miami hotel MIAMI (Reuters) - Miami police on Friday found a locked ballot box from the disputed Florida election at a downtown hotel, a police officer said on Saturday. Police Lt. Diego Ochoa was speaking at a town hall meeting called by the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP) to hear testimony of alleged irregularities in the election. Florida's 25 electoral votes hold the key to Tuesday's election as neither candidate can reach the 270 votes required to win the keys to the White House without them. A recount was ordered when the state race became too close to call. Ochoa, a 26-year veteran of the police department, said he came forward with the consent of his commanding officer and arrangements were now under way for election officials to pick up the box. The ballot box was labelled "Number 541." It was locked and was sealed by police with evidence paper. "At the moment we don't know exactly what's in the box," the officer said. He said: "We called the election departments yesterday (Friday/Veteran's Day) to tell them. As it was a holiday no one answered. That's what I understand." It was not clear how the box arrived at the hotel and Ochoa did not say if there would be a criminal investigation. There were no further details. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: Gore Plaintiff Really Dem Activist!
-Caveat Lector- NewsMax Gore Plaintiff Really Dem Activist! Dan Frisa Friday, Nov 10, 2000 Now we see the lengths to which the Gore camp will go to steal the election in Florida. It turns out that Andre Fladell, a supposed "confused Palm Beach County voter, who was trotted out to the media by local lawyers as someone who inadvertently cast his ballot for a candidate other than his choice, is a long time Democrat activist. Fladell, in a story by New Times Broward-Palm Beach Online in December, 1999, said "Politics is the greatest challenge. Its where the best and the worst in people comes out. You get the adrenaline of war without having to physically hurt anyone. The local publication also observed: "When he's not re-aligning patients spines and stomping volleyball opponents, he's advising candidates and elected officials in Palm Beach County, mostly Democrats, on how to crush their election foes and steer government decisions their way." This is who the Gore campaign is holding out for all the world to see as a regular voter whose rights were impinged? LOOK AT THE LINE OF BALONEY HE FED TO THE GULLIBLE MEDIA YESTERDAY, AS REPORTED BY CNS: "I voted for the second punch hole and for the second name," said Fladell, thinking he was voting for Gore. In reality, he believes he voted erroneously for Buchanan. Fladell, a 52-year-old chiropractor who moved to Florida from New York City 22 years ago, admitted he didn't pay close attention to the ballot. "I never looked at it," he said, noting that some of his acquaintances also complained about the ballot. "I leave the voting booth, and I go to the beach, and I'm with my friends. They say, 'Boy, that was the toughest ballot I ever saw,' and I'm laughing because I'm thinking they're not too bright," said Fladell. "Turns out I wasn't too bright." When asked how nearly 270,000 Palm Beach County voters apparently did vote for Gore rather than Buchanan or some other candidate, Fladell speculated that it was because some "people who don't vote a lot have an advantage. People who vote a lot have a disadvantage." "People who have never voted will take a lot more time" to examine the ballot, Fladell said. "People who vote regularly just assume it's the same as it always is," he said, explaining that previous ballots listed the Democrat candidate and corresponding punch hole second on the list of nominees. Fladell said there was no way Buchanan's votes should have been as high as they were in Palm Beach County. "There is not a Jewish condo Democrat that votes straight Democrat for 15 different [offices] and then votes for someone they think is anti-Semitic," said Fladell, referring to the Jewish population living in condominium communities. WHAT A BUNCH OF BUNK! Fladell also told New Times last year that "his favorite book is The Prince by Machiavelli, in which the author suggests rulers use deceit, treachery, and violence to gain and keep power. A plaque hangs on his wall from his friends and reads: To a man who has made loyalty to his friends and punishment of his enemies an art form. All of which proves, yet again, that you cant believe a thing from Junior Gore and his cronies, who will lie, cheat and steal to hold onto power. What a disgrace. * * * E-mail Dan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Air: Dan Frisa will appear on WOND radio in Atlantic City, N.J. at 9 a.m., KFAR radio in Fairbanks, Alaska at 2 p.m., Talk USA radio in Jordan, Utah at 6 p.m., WIBC in Indianapolis, Ind., at 10:30 p.m., and Talk Radio Network in Medford, Oregon at 11 p.m. on Nov. 9, on WOND radio in Atlantic City, N.J. at 9 a.m.,KKAL radio in San Luis Obispo, Calif., at 11:40 a.m. and KIQN radio in Salt Lake City, Utah at 5:30 p.m. on Nov. 10, and KSLR radio in San Antonio, Texas at 8 a.m. on Nov. 13. All times Eastern. Listen while visiting NewsMax.com! Dan Frisa represented New York in the United States Congress and served four terms in the New York State Assembly. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
[CTRL] CNS: Florida Ballot Lawsuit Plaintiff Advised Nelson in Senate Race
-Caveat Lector- Florida Ballot Lawsuit Plaintiff Advised Nelson in Senate Race By Justin Torres CNS Senior Staff Writer November 10, 2000 (CNSNews.com) - Andre Fladell, the Palm Beach County, Fla., resident who is a plaintiff in a lawsuit seeking a new presidential vote in his county because of an allegedly confusing ballot, is a long-time Democratic operative in the area who advised Democratic Senator-elect Bill Nelson of Florida. Scott Aaronson, a spokesperson for Nelson said he was unable to confirm Fladell's specific role in the Nelson campaign, though he said that Fladell is "a personal friend of the Nelson family." Nelson won election to the Senate Tuesday, defeating Republican Bill McCollum by a 51-46% margin. After filing his lawsuit Wednesday, Fladell told CNSNews.com, "I leave the voting booth and I go to the beach and I'm with my friends, they say, 'Boy, that was the toughest ballot I ever saw,' and I'm laughing because I'm thinking they're not too bright. Turns out I wasn't too bright." When asked how nearly 270,000 Palm Beach County voters apparently did vote for Gore rather than Buchanan or some other candidate, Fladell speculated that it was because some "people who don't vote a lot have an advantage. People who vote a lot have a disadvantage." "People who have never voted will take a lot more time," to examine the ballot, Fladell continued. "People who vote regularly just assume it's the same as it always is," he said, explaining that previous ballots listed the Democratic candidate and corresponding punch hole second on the list of nominees. But Fladell, according to a 1999 Broward-Palm Beach New Times article, is a longtime Democratic operative in the county who has been dubbed "the Prince of Palm Beach County" for his hardball political tactics. Fladell has been involved in zoning and residential fights in Palm Beach County in the past, and recently lead an effort to have the local education superintendent removed form office. The article from December 16, 1999, also says that Fladell has served as an unofficial advisor to several statewide candidates in Florida, including Senate challenger Nelson. In the 1999 article, a former friend of Fladell's who was the target of an effort to deny him reelection to the Florida state house, said that Fladell "long ago did stand up for the little guy, the homeowner, the right things." But, said Barry Silver, "He's become so involved in political intrigue that those sentiments long have been subsumed by other feelings." -more to follow- = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stolen policecars
-Caveat Lector- Hmmm, from our earlier thread... (neither of these involve me) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/irnstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=30753newsection= Police hunt through bush for police car stealer 12.11.2000 16:10 Northland police are searching through bush for a man who stole a police car. Inspector Barry Smalley says the man had been stopped for speeding on Millbrook Road near Dargaville, over an hour ago. He then escaped on foot and doubled back to steal the officer's patrol car which he crashed into a ditch. Shortly after he stole a second car which he dumped west of Waipu before running off. Police are still looking for the man. --- http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/11/10/cruiser1110_01.html Drunk Steals Patrol Car, Chagrined Cops Say Officer Had Stopped to Help Men Walking Along Highway Nov. 10, 2000 By Joe Beaird CAMBRIDGE, Ontario (APBnews.com) -- A Canadian police officer tried to help two drunken, middle-aged men off a busy freeway and one of them thanked her by stealing the patrol car, police said today. The men, whose names were not released, are age 55 and 61 and live in the Toronto area. Related Stories: Good Samaritan Killed Giving Ride to Strangers The 55-year-old accused of stealing the police car is charged with numerous offenses, including impaired driving and theft over $5,000. The 61-year-old has been charged with being intoxicated in public, which carries a $55 fine. Car stolen Just before midnight Wednesday, an officer from the Cambridge detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police spotted the two men wearing business suits walking "dangerously close" to the westbound lanes of Highway 401 -- one of Canada's busiest roadways, said Sgt. Dave Durant, a police spokesman. Assuming the men's car had broken down, the officer -- whose name is not being released to spare her further embarrassment -- stopped to see if they needed assistance, Durant said. As she secured the 55-year-old man into the back seat of the cruiser, the other man bolted away into the woods alongside the road. The officer pursued the older man into the woods and captured him, then came back to the road "only to discover that her police car was gone," Durant said. The 55-year-old man had driven off with it, he said. Police arrived shortly and took off in pursuit of the squad car, which was found abandoned minutes later. Man found hiding in bushes The Waterloo Regional Police canine unit, led by the dog Buck, tracked down the missing 55-year-old man hiding behind bushes about 200 yards from the abandoned cruiser, according to Constable Al Vandyken. The cruiser was not damaged. Police said stealing a police car is an extreme way to avoid a public intoxication charge. "To see what they're facing now, it's kind of absurd," Durant said. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WP: FLA certification on hold?
-Caveat Lector- Judge is holding up the certification of the Florida Election count. By Christina Pino-Marina washingtonpost.com Staff Writer Thursday , November 9, 2000 WEST PALM BEACH, Florida -- The outcome of the nationýs disputed presidential election was put on hold late Thursday by a Circuit Court judge in West Palm Beach who granted a temporary preliminary injunction in favor of two women who allege they voted incorrectly because of confusing ballots. Complete article at: http://washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56995-2000Nov9?language=printer = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Inside CIA: Covert Chat Room
Highlited on Drudge tonight. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: A washingtonpost.com article from [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have been sent this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a courtesy of the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com). To stay on top of the latest political headlines, live discussions and breaking news, register now for the OnPolitics email at http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/email/email.htm. To view the entire article, go to http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6-2000Nov11.html Inside CIA: Covert Chat Room The CIA is investigating 160 employees and contractors for exchanging "inappropriate" e-mail and off-color jokes in a secret chat room created within the agency's classified computer network and hidden from management. CIA spokesman Bill Harlow said the willful "misuse of computers" did not "involve the compromise of any classified information." But the probe, nearing completion, involves employees at all levels of the agency, including some senior managers, and most likely will result in at least a few firings, agency officials said. "The serious thing for us is people willfully misusing the computer system and trying to hide what they were trying to do," said one intelligence official. "If they were doing this with the KGB's computer system, we'd be giving them medals. Sadly, it was ours." The House and Senate intelligence committees have been briefed about the secret chat room, which CIA investigators discovered while performing routine computer security checks, according to Harlow. "Investigators uncovered evidence of long-term misuse involving multiple violations of CIA computer regulations," Harlow said. An internal notice sent to all employees in May said, "This activity has apparently been taking place for some time and involves the use of unauthorized chat rooms and data bases in an apparent willful misuse of the agency's computer networks. Indeed, it appears that this group went to great lengths to conceal these actions. . . . Any attempts to alter or delete information on agency computer networks related to this investigation . . . could amount to a violation of federal criminal law." Since then, all 160 employees and contractors who participated in what officials describe as an "invitation only" communications channel have been interviewed and given five days to explain their conduct in writing. Several officials, including members of the Senior Intelligence Service, a cadre of career officers at the upper reaches of the civil service system, have been suspended with pay for the past six months while senior CIA officials try to determine what punishment is appropriate. Robert D. Steele, a former CIA case officer with extensive ties to the agency, declined to name any of those involved but described two of the most senior officials under investigation as "innovative, out-of-the-box, unconventional thinkers #38;#150; these are essentially the hackers of the CIA, in the most positive sense of the word." One Capitol Hill source who has been briefed on the probe said it involves "some pretty clever people who know how to use computers creatively." The source said he thought the employees involved showed "bad judgment" and added that CIA officials have responded appropriately. But one recent CIA retiree with knowledge of the probe said employees who face disciplinary action and even dismissal have been investigated far more aggressively than former CIA director John M. Deutch, who admitted drafting top-secret cables on unsecure home computers and was stripped of his CIA security clearances last year. "Most of the employees involved are likely to have a letter of reprimand placed in their personnel file, which will quash their chances for promotion for at least a year and may adversely affect future assignment prospects," the CIA veteran said. The former officer said that by giving those under investigation only five days to respond to the charges against them, the CIA has "effectively denied them the opportunity to seek legal counsel," because lawyers typically must wait for months to obtain security clearances necessary to represent agency personnel. The former officer also said he doubts whether employees under investigation really were exchanging "secret" communications, because all senior CIA managers have a software program called "Shadow" that enables them to "remotely monitor every keystroke that their employees make." "It seems highly suspicious that all of those supervisors, not to mention the numerous component network administrators and security personnel, were unaware over a period of years of illicit computer usage by a group of 160 personnel," the former officer said. A CIA official responded that employees under investigation were operating beyond the normal reach of computer systems administrators. "These people
Re: [CTRL] Bush is Mush
-Caveat Lector-
(ndeed, Jack! --SW)
On 11 Nov 00, at 23:28, Jack Andrews wrote:
If the recount goes unmolested by the Bush brothers, Gore will win. It is the
corruption of the vote by the Bush brother's interests which will come out
into the light if the votes are properly scrutinized. That is why Bush and
party are in a panic and why they filed their wimpy "lawsuit". They are
afraid of the truth and they know that the truth will elect the proper
winner, Gore. It isn't complicated and the country is not even near in any
sort of jeopardy. The only negative from this is the ugly way the corruption
of the vote occurred and that is easily remedied by the force of the law.
Americans will have no trouble surviving the criminal attempts of the Bush
brothers.
Jack
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Re: [CTRL] Bush is Mush
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--- Forwarded message follows ---
Date sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:28:44 -0800
From: Jack Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: IUFO: Bush is Mush
If the recount goes unmolested by the Bush brothers, Gore will win. It is the
corruption of the vote by the Bush brother's interests which will come out
into the light if the votes are properly scrutinized. That is why Bush and
party are in a panic and why they filed their wimpy "lawsuit". They are
afraid of the truth and they know that the truth will elect the proper
winner, Gore. It isn't complicated and the country is not even near in any
sort of jeopardy. The only negative from this is the ugly way the corruption
of the vote occurred and that is easily remedied by the force of the law.
Americans will have no trouble surviving the criminal attempts of the Bush
brothers.
Jack
Steve Wingate wrote:
I think Gore will eventually win. I could be wrong but I really hope not.
Steve
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