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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After AllTheseYears]
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[CTRL] Fw: Happy Everything
-Caveat Lector- Saba, The card was not meant for that reason. Actually is pertains to Ritual Abuse Survivors who really hate holidays and doing all the usual garb. So someone made up this funny card to cover that arena! Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Happy Everything -Caveat Lector- Happy Everything to you Birdie...boy you sure know how to get your money's worth - what an idea - one card fits all - look at the postage you could save? Saba You forgot Ground Hog's Day. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Preparing for the Terrorist Threat
-Caveat Lector- Preparing for the Terrorist Threat By Jon Basil Utley Full article at: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995 Excerpt: A congressional advisory panel reports that a national strategy is needed to defend against terrorist attacks, but some plans would have us give up our civil liberties. The potential for terrorist attacks inside U.S. borders is a serious, emerging threat," warns Republican Virginia Gov. James Gilmore. Gilmore is chairman of a congressionally mandated panel studying the changing threat to U.S. security and what kind of responses the nation will have to make. What's needed, according to Gilmore, is a "truly national strategy" with the creation of a "National Office to Combat Terrorism" reporting to the president. Moreover, the national office would be overseen by a new joint congressional committee. The implications for the future of American society, the way it is organized, and the implications for civil liberties are just now beginning to be examined by a number of groups. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Solstice marked by sacrifice/Conspiracy is led by supernatural forces!!!
-Caveat Lector-
Now I have heard everything. Don't know which one of you who wrote this, but this
remark is just so far out there, one cannot even
give it any attention. The Conspiracy is led by supernatural forces? Please tell how
did you come up with this?
As I have written before, I used to have an outlook similar to yours.
However, observing the "Shadow Government" over many years has convinced me
that the Conspiracy is led by supernatural forces.
Birds
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From: PM Kansan1225 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Solstice marked by sacrifice
-Caveat Lector-
Leslie Moore wrote:
Subject: Re: Solstice marked by sacrifice
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12/24/00 12:07 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: 9243rs$c5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To avoid being personally insulting, I must say that your posts mix
accurate "behind the scenes" information on the CIA/corporate "Shadow
Government" with what appears to be CIA psyops/disinformation
planting by an operative or a gullible, willing participant, known in
the spy trade as an "okey-doke".
The aim is to make legitimate information about the secret, illicit
shenanigans of the CIA, other corrupt security and police operations,
and the corporations that begins to leak out into public seem
frivolous, ridiculous, or insane by linking the information with
bizzare, but often verifiable, off-the-wall occult or psychic
information and incidences. The fact that the Bush family is Skull and
Bones, a sort of psuedo-Masonic/Templar Order for the ultra rich and
powerful, gives credence to these psyops operations, as the "secret
order" and its alleged "demons", "aliens", and/or "black masters" are
supposed to rule the world, not the real power brokers, who are the
rich, greedy, and the criminal, like the Bush family and the CIA, with
the added implication, which is the real or chief aim of the
psyops/disinformation campaign of this type, that the ordinary person,
or the general public, has no means or power by which they can remedy
or stop the corruption or illegal activities, because it is all being
done by the "evil powers" behind these corrupt organizations and
people, and they are made to appear to be all-powerful, inevitable, or
invicible, because they "come from outer space" or from "The Devil",
"Satan", even "God" or "Fatima", or otherwise from your invisible,
unstoppable "evil power" of your choice (or fears!).
As I have written before, I used to have an outlook similar to yours.
However, observing the "Shadow Government" over many years has convinced me
that the Conspiracy is led by supernatural forces.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) wrote:
Clandestine Luciferian Masonic (CLuM) Brother George
Walker Bush performed a ritual self-immolation today, Thursday,
December 21, 2000, to mark the occasion of the CLuM high
holiday of the Winter Solstice.
Bush's ritual sacrifice consisted of his resignation as the
Governor of the Lone Star (of Pythagoras) State of Texas. Bush,
as the mythological Phoenix, immolated himself on this first day of
Capricorn, in order to be born again as President of New Atlantis
on the first day of Aquarius, January 20, 2001.
As you remember, this past Summer's Solstice had been marked
by the twin executions of Gary ("Aharon") Lee ("Levi") Graham in
Texas and Thomas ("The Twin") Provenzano in Florida. Aharon
Levi Graham was murdered by Bush as an offering to Lucifer/Satan
for the success of Bush's Presidential campaign.
"The Twin" Provenzano was murdered by Jeb Bush to insure a
successful outcome for the Florida Farce that the November
criminals had already planned.
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[CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President
-Caveat Lector- I see you agree! Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - From: Jayson R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Kill himself. =20 Two words: Dick Cheney OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone acceptable? Jayson, with a good supply of ammo. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: LT: Saddam builds new atom bomb
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/12/24/stifgnmid01001.html December 24 2000 MIDDLE EAST Saddam builds new atom bomb By Marie Colvin, Amman SADDAM HUSSEIN has ordered his scientists to resume work on a programme aimed at making a nuclear bomb, a defector warned yesterday. The Iraqi dictator, whose efforts to make atomic weapons were thwarted by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf war in 1991, revived the plans two years ago, the defector said. Scientists who had previously worked on the weapons programme were made to return to their duties in August 1998, four months before Saddam expelled the inspectors. According to Salman Yassin Zweir, a design engineer who was employed by the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission for 13 years, the instruction came in a document marked "top secret" which identified a research centre on Al-Jadriya Street, Baghdad, as the headqarters of the new operation. Zweir was arrested and tortured after refusing to go back to the programme. He escaped to Jordan, where he spoke for the first time last week after being reunited with his wife, who was also tortured, and their two sons, aged seven and six. "Saddam is very proud of his nuclear team," said Zweir, 39. "He will never give up the dream of being the first Arab leader to have a nuclear bomb." American intelligence officials will now debrief Zweir, whose information will raise international concern that Saddam is intent on developing weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell, the retired Gulf war general named by President-elect George W Bush as the next secretary of state, is expected to use the threat to press the case in Europe for America's so-called "son of star wars" national missile defence system. A senior western diplomat said last night: "This is the first concrete evidence of what we feared might be happening." Zweir will also be interviewed by officials from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, which carried out more than 1,000 inspections between 1991 and 1997 to satisfy the UN security council that everything possible had been done to dismantle Iraq's nuclear weapons programme. "We will investigate the evidence," said Hans Meyer, a spokesman. Zweir graduated from Baghdad University and joined the atomic energy commission in 1985 as a mechanical engineer on a salary of $1,000 a month, double the money earned by an average government official with 15 years' experience. He signed an agreement that made it clear he would be executed if ever he left his job or revealed Iraq's nuclear secrets. "As of today, I have broken both conditions," he said. As a member of Iraq's scientific elite, Zweir had a comfortable government villa in the Khairallah Tulfah complex in Baghdad. Security agents drove him to work and back daily, and he assumed that both his house and his car were bugged. Zweir worked on two methods of producing highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon. According to UN inspectors, the commission was between one and four years away from making a bomb when its main facilities were destroyed in the Gulf war. Based at a complex named al-Krayat on the Tigris River on the outskirts of Baghdad, Zweir helped design gas centrifuges that yielded small amounts of highly enriched uranium, although not enough for a bomb. For part of the time, Zweir worked under Dr Jaafar Jaafar, the head of the atomic commission. The weapons programme, known as Project 3000, was supervised by Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law, who was later executed. Kamel put the team under enormous pressure, Zweir said. "He would say, 'You must complete this work in three months.' There was no life outside work." After the Gulf war halted the programme, Iraq at first denied that it had existed. In a little-noticed speech last September, however, Saddam said his nuclear scientists were part of the fight against Iraq's enemies. Zweir said the Iraqi security service had moved technical components around during and after the war to conceal them from allied bombers and, later, from UN inspectors. "Only section heads could speak to the inspectors," he said. "They lied and lied and lied." The first Zweir knew of the resumption of the weapons programme was an order to leave his work on civilian projects, including a suspension bridge in Baghdad, and report to the atomic commisson's engineering design unit. The order was signed by Mehdi Shuqr Ghali, the programme's director. "I felt I was being asked to participate in a filthy act," he said. "I could not do it." Within hours of his refusal to rejoin, he was arrested in his office and taken to a military intelligence prison at al-Kadamiya. He was punched, kicked and beaten with iron bars for three weeks. After losing consciousness, he was taken to hospital, apparently because his jailers did not want him to die. Following the intervention of a hospital employee who knew his family, he was smuggled to a farm in
[CTRL] Fw: TWG News Release: Ukrainians Outraged Over Washington Post's Religious Intolerance
-Caveat Lector- FYI --- Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 04:17 AM Subject: TWG News Release: Ukrainians Outraged Over Washington Post's Religious Intolerance ***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- December 26, 2000 ***FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Andy Szul Jr., 703-824-0041 Ihor Kotlarchuk, 703-548-8534 *Ukrainians Outraged Over Washington Post's Religious Intolerance -- The Washington Group Speaks Out ALEXANDRIA, VA - The Christmas Eve edition of the Washington Post carried a column in its Style section (p. F3) that made a sacrilegious comparison between the sacred Holy Trinity Ukrainian Catholic Church and the "Bates motel" from the movie "Psycho." "It is extremely unfortunate that during this most blessed time of year, the Washington Post permitted such an irreverent remark in one of its published articles," said Ihor Kotlarchuk, president of The Washington Group (TWG), [www.TheWashingtonGroup.org] an association of Ukrainian-American professionals who live throughout the United States and around the world. In a Post column, "United (Denomi)Nations," contributor Josh Gibson started out by promising the paper's readers an article about the "diversity of this religious architecture" found on New Hampshire Avenue, in the Washington, DC, area. Instead, after referencing several places of worship found along that road, he desecrated the revered Holy Trinity Ukrainian Catholic Church by attempting to compare it to the "Bates motel" featured in the thriller "Psycho." "Nothing could be farther from the truth and more disgraceful. The Holy Trinity Ukrainian Catholic Church, with its unique hand-crafted wood carving reflecting the ancient Hutzul (Carpathian) mountain region folk church design of Western Ukraine, is a very holy place for many area Ukrainian-Americans," said Andy Szul Jr., TWG's public relations director. "I'm pleased that at least Mr. Gibson did not make such horrible references of any other religious group's place of worship in his article,'' said Szul. ''It's regrettable that the Washington Post editors allowed such an awful comparison of the Ukrainian sacred church." On a positive note, the upcoming traditional Ukrainian Christmas festivities (January 6-8) offer the media a unique opportunity to inform its readers and viewers about the rich and ancient Ukrainian cultural traditions and religious values. -30- The Washington Group [www.TheWashingtonGroup.org] is an association of Ukrainian-American professionals who live throughout the United States and around the world. P.O. Box 11248, Washington, D.C. 20008 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Boy Scouts' Anti-Gay Policy Sparks Concern of Archaeologists
-Caveat Lector- http://www.archaeology.org/curiss/newsbriefs/boyscouts.html Anti-Gay Policy Sparks Concern of Archaeologists By ELIZABETH J. HIMELFARB In 1997, the Boy Scouts of America instituted an archaeology merit badge to replace an old, ill-conceived badge in arrowhead collecting. It seemed like a win-win proposition: Scouts would be rewarded for exploring Indiana Jones-inspired fantasies, archaeologists would have a captive audience. But the Supreme Court's ruling last summer that the Scouts can exclude gays worries some archaeologists. In October, a subscriber to the historical archaeology internet discussion list HISTARCH fired off a spam (the "e"-equivalent of junk mail) to the entire list, lamenting the withdrawal of funding the Scout stance had engendered, adding, "...the Scouts have refused to cave in to the pressure of 'politically correct' groups who despise the fact that the Scouts stand for faith and morality!" Recipients of the message seized the opportunity to note the effect the ban on gays has had on the archaeological community. "I look forward to working with Scouts on their archaeology merit badges as soon as they drop this stupid exclusionary policy," wrote Tim Scarlett, a University of Nevada, Reno, student. A flurry of messages followed, some advocating that archaeologists withhold support from the Scouts. Others took a different approach. "As a private organization, it is appropriate that the Boy Scouts should lose the support of tax dollars," wrote Kirsti Uunila of the Maryland Archaeological Conservation Laboratory of the Jefferson Patterson Park and Museum. "It is not clear, however, that they can be excluded from participation in public archaeology programs We offer those services to the public and have among our constituents fundamentalist home-schoolers, all-white church groups, all-black church groups, and so on. We never question their ideologies, governing charters, or membership policies." Nonetheless, the withdrawal of support that provoked the initial spam may be just beginning. When he completes his degree, Scarlett, who deems it "critical" for archaeologists to work with kids, will likely look beyond the Scouts for opportunities to work with the community. "It's a shame," he told ARCHAEOLOGY, "the boys are the ones who are going to suffer while we are soul searching." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Bush Waits, Politely, to Undo What Clinton Has Done
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/24/politics/24BUSH.html?pagewanted=all December 24, 2000 REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK Bush Waits, Politely, to Undo What Clinton Has Done By DAVID E. SANGER AUSTIN, Tex., Dec. 23 ó By road, it's a little more than 1,500 miles between the Governor's Mansion here and the White House. That's too far to spit. Mere distance, however, is not stopping anyone from trying. Just before they pack their bags, President Clinton's aides are taking one last shot at creating an America in their image ó churning out new emission rules for cars and trucks, reviewing last-minute authorizations for national monuments, putting the final touches on Mr. Clinton's effort to make sure that development stops in roadless areas of national forests. All this has left the Bush folks fuming, because they know ó or their lawyers are telling them ó that the rules cannot be wiped out at the stroke of a pen. There must be hearings and committees. Mr. Clinton's chief of staff, John D. Podesta, whose passion is environmentalism, noted this fact a year ago when he stood atop a Virginia mountain with Mr. Clinton, who was announcing his plan to save millions of acres of federal land from the intrusion of new logging roads. "Reversing this kind of stuff," Mr. Podesta said at the time, "is politically difficult, and a bureaucratic nightmare." President-elect George W. Bush is going out of his way not to pick a fight, telling everyone that as long as Mr. Clinton is president, he should do "what he's got to do," and when Mr. Bush moves in, he will worry about it then. "There's going to be a lot of opportunities, obviously, during the transition for me and the vice president or any of my designees to look backwards, but we're not going to do that," Mr. Bush said on Friday. "Our job is to ó once I'm sworn in and these members of my cabinet are sworn in ó is to look forward, is to think about the future." But his spokesman, Ari Fleischer, told reporters that executive orders might be undone with reverse executive orders, and "regulations can be undone through regulation." And of course, Mr. Bush's greatest weapon is also Washington's oldest art: footdragging. Not all the barbs, however, are coming from the White House. Mr. Bush arched his eyebrows more than once when describing Senator John Ashcroft's qualifications for attorney general. Mr. Bush stretched out the word "in-teg-rity" more than once, to let it settle in. He worked the facial expressions again when he suggested Mr. Ashcroft's Justice Department would "follow the truth." But the first real conflict between the Clintonites and the Bushies may have nothing to do with forests or justice. It will focus on license plates ó the plates on the presidential limousine. Mr. Clinton this week authorized the placement of the District of Columbia's new plate, with the slogan "Taxation without Representation," on the presidential limousine. The plate was created by the city to protest the fact that residents are not represented by a voting member of Congress. Republican sympathies for the District are limited; after all, the District is a Democratic bastion and gave Al Gore 85 percent of its vote. With the Senate split 50-50, Republicans are not terribly interested in statehood for the District, which would certainly add two Democrats to the upper body. Jake Siewert, the White House press secretary, insisted that the president was making his own statement, and that the next president was free to put anything on his car that he liked. "We're not tying anyone's hands," Mr. Siewert told reporters. "Screwdrivers are a dime a dozen." Whose Recession? The backbiting has been fiercest over what kind of economy Mr. Bush is inheriting. When Mr. Clinton's troops arrived in 1993, they went to some lengths to describe the "mess" that George H. W. Bush had left them, to make any recovery sound all the grander. What goes around comes around. Vice President-elect Dick Cheney started it, talking about how the country might be slipping into recession. Mr. Bush picked up the theme, then sat in the Oval Office the other day while Mr. Clinton recited the opinions of 49 of 50 leading economists who think growth next year will be around 2.5 percent ó nothing to write home about, but hardly a recession. No sooner was Mr. Bush finished with the tour of his new home than Gene Sperling, head of the National Economic Council (an institution Mr. Bush may kill off or reinvent), started telling reporters about the danger of undermining confidence in the economy by talking it down. Mr. Bush's aides, he said, were wrong on the facts, and unwise as they talked to the markets. Mr. Bush pulled back a bit on Friday. "I keep hearing talks about, you know, well, this is an administration that is trying to talk down the economy," he said. "That's foolish talk. All of us in the Bush administration will want the economy to be strong. But there are some clear warning signs, warning
[CTRL] AP: Clinton Initiates Puerto Rico Study
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsday.com/ap/topnews/ap534.htm Clinton Initiates Puerto Rico Study WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton created a national task force Saturday to study whether Puerto Rico should become a state or an independent country, or continue as a U.S. commonwealth. The President's Task Force on Puerto Rico's Status will ''ensure official attention to and facilitate action on matters related to proposals for Puerto Rico's status and the process by which an option can be realized,'' Clinton said in his executive order. The president said the task force will keep an ongoing discussion with Puerto Rico's governor, political parties and other groups that advocate a change in the island's status. ''The dialogue shall seek to clarify the options for Puerto Rico's future status and enable Puerto Ricans to choose among those options,'' Clinton said. The task force will be made up of members or designees of the president's Cabinet and the co-chairs of the president's Interagency Group on Puerto Rico. It will be chaired by the attorney general or his designee and a co-chair of the interagency group. The committee must report back to the president by May 1. Both President-elect Bush and Vice President Al Gore said during the campaign for president that they supported creation of a task force to study the Puerto Rican issue. Residents of the island are divided over what status they desire. Statehood was just barely rejected by voters in nonbinding referendums in 1993 and 1998. In the last vote, the status quo squeaked by with just over 50 percent. The United States took possession of the Caribbean island as booty at the end of the Spanish-American War. Puerto Rico's 3.8 million people are U.S. citizens who can be drafted into the U.S. military but are barred from voting for president and have no voting representation in Congress. They do not pay most federal taxes though Washington sends down about $13 billion a year, nearly a third of the island's official gross domestic product. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mentally Ill Homeless In Phoenix, AZ
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: Until Ronald Reagan decided that these folks should not be supported by the state or allowed to stay in state institutions, the majority were not homeless. They were not always treated as I might wish, but then they don't do better on the street. If the conditions from which they suffer are caused by "Mind Control" or some other factor is not particularly important. The hell it's not! = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MH: Unregistered voters cast ballots in Dade
-Caveat Lector- Sunday, December 24, 2000 The Miami Herald Unregistered voters cast ballots in Dade Dead man's vote, scores of others were allowed illegally, Herald finds BY MANNY GARCIA AND TOM DUBOCQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] André Alismé died of cancer in 1997. Yet a vote in his name was cast in last month's presidential election, one of more than 100 illegal ballots uncovered by The Herald in Miami-Dade County. Violating rules meant to safeguard the integrity of balloting, Miami-Dade poll workers allowed scores of unregistered voters -- including out-of-state residents -- to vote on Nov. 7. They cast ballots at polling places where they were not listed on voter rolls. All they had to do was sign sworn statements that they were eligible to vote. They were not. Nobody at the polls checked, as required by county regulations and state law -- which meant that those illegal ballots counted in one of the closest presidential races in history. All of those voters would have been caught before casting ballots had poll workers followed a simple procedure -- making a phone call to elections headquarters to check whether each voter was indeed eligible to vote. The Herald examined ballots cast at just 138 of Miami-Dade's 617 precincts, finding that 144 ineligible voters had been allowed to sign in at polls where they were not registered. If that trend holds true in the rest of Dade, hundreds more illegal ballots may have been cast. Poll workers overwhelmed by heavy voter turnout struggled with two competing mandates: sustaining citizens' right to vote while combating fraud at the ballot box. As a result, the anti-fraud rules weren't always followed: Frustrated poll workers said they were stymied by constant busy signals when they tried to call an Elections Department hot line to verify voter registration. Some were so poorly trained that they didn't know the verification requirements. They said they let people vote -- some without any identification -- based on gut feelings that voters were honest. Other poll workers, feeling pressured by long lines and short tempers, said they ignored the rules or bent them just to avoid ugly confrontations. Some poll workers were too trusting, said Miami-Dade Elections Supervisor David Leahy. ``Some clerks obviously did not follow procedures,'' Leahy said. ``A lot of what we do is on the honor system. Clearly you cannot have a deceased person voting.'' The Herald investigation shows that the already controversial Florida presidential election also was marred by illegal voting. Those votes also point to a larger problem: The safeguards enacted after Miami's fraud-tainted 1997 mayoral election didn't keep cheaters from voting. Much of the fraud unearthed in 1997 involved absentee balloting, and most reforms were aimed at stamping out fraudulent mail-in ballots. The trouble this year came at the polls, where some precinct workers ignored systematic safeguards. The vote cast for André Alismé exemplifies what went wrong. A Haitian immigrant, Alismé registered to vote in Miami-Dade on Sept. 10, 1996. The registered Democrat cast his first and only ballot as an American citizen in the presidential election that year. He was 60 years old when he died the following May. After spotting his obituary in the newspaper, the Elections Department routinely verified his death with the Florida Department of Vital Statistics. Then his registration was canceled, on June 2, 1997. On Nov. 7, Alismé's name was resurrected at the Korean Presbyterian Church of Miami, 13700 NE 10th Ave., the polling place for Precinct 141. Alismé's name was handwritten on Page 65 of the precinct roll, along with an obvious forgery of his signature. The roll shows that Ballot No. 119451 was cast in Alismé's name. ``No, no, that cannot be! André Alismé is deceased,'' said Elda Suffret, who lives with Alismé's son at the family's El Portal home. ``There is no other André Alismé in Miami. His sons have different names, and they are not U.S. citizens. I don't know how this could happen.'' THE CASE OF AN IMPOSTOR Dead man's identity is used to cast an illegal vote Precinct 141 was particularly busy on Election Day -- 855 ballots were cast there, a 67 percent turnout. Nearly 90 percent of the presidential vote went for Al Gore. Despite the heavy turnout, precinct supervisor Thomas Dennard said he clearly remembers the man who called himself Alismé. ``It was early in the morning, and it was a madhouse,'' Dennard said. ``He was sitting at the end of a long table waiting to be helped.'' Like 46 other voters at Precinct 141, the impostor needed Dennard's approval to cast a ballot because Alismé's name was not printed on the precinct's voter rolls. The procedure is clear. Poll workers are supposed to get identification from the walk-in voter -- preferably a current voter registration card and photo identification. If the voter doesn't have that, poll workers are supposed to write down
[CTRL] NYDN: She Used Dem Cash to Repay Muslim Gifts, Record Shows
-Caveat Lector- She Used Dem Cash to Repay Muslim Gifts, Record Shows By BOB PORT NYDaily News Staff Writer The day the news hit that Hillary Rodham Clinton had accepted some $50,000 in controversial donations from a Muslim group the First Lady was definitive in her reaction. "I'm returning all $50,000 every single penny," she said. But federal election reports released in Washington last week show that Clinton, even though she kept her word, didn't do it exactly the way she had implied during the campaign. Members of the American Muslim Alliance, the group that gave to Clinton, were given their contributions back. But the refund check came from a committee of the Democratic Party used to raise soft money for the New York Senate race not from Clinton's campaign fund, which deposited the donations in June. It wasn't until Nov. 14, a week after the election, that the Democratic Party's soft-money committee was reimbursed for the refunds with cash from Clinton's campaign fund, according to these federal records. By funneling the refunds through a party committee, which was flush with cash, Clinton was technically able to make use of the Muslim group's donations as her own "hard money" through Election Day. Hard money was more precious to the First Lady than soft money during the last weeks of the campaign because she had agreed, under pressure from opponent Rick Lazio, to not use soft money for TV ads. And so Clinton used the largess of her political party's soft money unrestricted donations from rich people, labor unions and corporations to make good on her promise to return "every single penny" before Election Day, say the records. Details of how the refund worked were not known until now because federal election reports for the last three weeks of the campaign did not have to be mailed until after the election. When news of the Muslim donations surfaced, the total was reported as $50,000 but it turned out to be inflated. The new records show that the refunds to 42 members of the American Muslim Alliance totaled $38,100, well shy of the figure the group had boasted of raising in its newsletter during a Boston fund-raiser in June for Clinton. A Clinton campaign official dismissed the circuitous route of the refunds to the Muslim group as insignificant and routine. "The bottom line is that the money was returned to these individuals in a timely manner," said spokeswoman Karen Dunn. One exception to Clinton's soft-money technique was a separate $1,000 refund to Abdurahman Alamoudi, a leader within the American Muslim Council and an outspoken supporter of the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Federal records show his refund came four days earlier than others and was paid directly from Clinton's campaign fund Oct. 27. Original Publication Date: 12/24/00 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WP: Investigators Now Focusing on Lee's Ties to Taiwan
-Caveat Lector- Investigators Now Focusing on Lee's Ties to Taiwan By Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, December 24, 2000 ; Page A03 Former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee has told the FBI that he was a paid consultant in the late 1980s and early 1990s to a Taiwanese businessman who later helped arrange for him to spend four weeks at Taiwan's leading military research center, according to sources close to the investigation. That same businessman also paid for Lee's air travel to Taiwan in December 1998, when Lee made a second, shorter visit to the military research center, the Chung Shan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST), the sources said. The disclosure of the consulting arrangement with and travel assistance from the unnamed businessman a resident alien who has since returned to Taiwan has prompted the FBI to review Lee's links to his country of birth and, in particular, his ties to Chung Shan. The institute 25 miles southwest of Taipei, Taiwan's capital, allegedly was involved in past efforts by Taiwan to develop nuclear weapons. Lee has told investigators that while at Chung Shan for four weeks in April and May 1998, he gave talks and "consulted on matters related to unclassified computer codes" for which he received "a modest fee of less than $5,000," according to a person familiar with the case. Lee did not report the payment from Chung Shan to officials at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1998, as lab rules required, according to government sources. Lee made the disclosures during 10 days of closed-door questioning under oath by the FBI. He cooperated in the questioning, which ended on Dec. 12, as part of a plea bargain reached in September. In return for pleading guilty to a single felony count of mishandling classified information, he was released from jail after nine months in solitary confinement. He was also given immunity from further prosecution, as long as he tells the truth. Lee initially had been targeted in 1996 by FBI agents and Energy Department investigators looking into alleged espionage by the People's Republic of China. The focus then was on two trips he took to Beijing and meetings he held with Chinese nuclear scientists. Now, however, the government is exploring the possibility that Lee may have accumulated a virtual library of nuclear weapons secrets from computers at Los Alamos with the intention of assisting Taiwan, which has long feared an invasion or missile attack from the communist mainland. Lee, a naturalized U.S. citizen who worked at Los Alamos from 1979 through 1999, has never been charged with espionage and adamantly denies passing classified information to any foreign government. His attorney, Mark Holscher, said there was nothing improper about Lee's trips to Taiwan, where Lee's two sisters live and which he has visited roughly a dozen times over the past 25 years, according to recently compiled government records. Before his visits to Chung Shan, Holscher said, "Dr. Lee received laboratory approval and clearance to go to Taiwan for unclassified speech and consulting." Holscher also expressed frustration with what he views as unscrupulous leaks aimed at tarring his client. He noted that the FBI questioning is supposed to be confidential. "It is perplexing and deeply concerning to us that anonymous government sources are inaccurately describing approved, unclassified visits," he said. Senior Clinton administration officials, including FBI Director Louis J. Freeh and Attorney General Janet Reno, have said the goal of the questioning is to determine why Lee downloaded the equivalent of 400,000 pages of nuclear data from computers at Los Alamos to pocket-sized tapes and to find out exactly what became of those tapes. Sources previously disclosed that Lee told the FBI he threw the tapes into a trash bin at the national laboratory in New Mexico in January 1999. FBI agents then dug through tons of garbage in the Los Alamos County landfill. They failed to turn up any of the Lee tapes, although they did find others from the lab. Officials said last week that they may renew the search of the landfill. Up to now, they said, the government has no physical evidence to prove or disprove Lee's account. Lee celebrated his 61st birthday, and his freedom, at a party this weekend paid for by 500 friends and supporters in California's Silicon Valley. His supporters contend that he was unfairly singled out for investigation by the FBI and the Energy Department because of his ethnicity. Although nuclear secrets allegedly obtained by China could have come from any of hundreds of defense plants or government offices, they say, overzealous investigators focused exclusively on Los Alamos and Lee. While acknowledging serious mistakes in the investigation and prosecution of Lee, government officials and FBI counterintelligence agents still do not believe they have gotten to the bottom of the matter. As information continues to
Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78
-Caveat Lector- --- "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actor who won back-to-back Oscars for ``All the President's Men'' Think he got in on any inside secrets while making this movie? Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TWA 800 Witness Sketches Excluded from Public Hearings
-Caveat Lector- "Eyewitnesses provided federal investigators with hand drawings of what they saw happen in the sky the night Flight 800 went down, but none were displayed or discussed at the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) Sunshine Hearing held last August--a hearing open to the public, as required by the "Government in the Sunshine Act." Complete article at: http://flight800.org/sketch.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] National Enquirer: GET READY, AMERICA!
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nationalenquirer.com/allthebuzz/allthebuzz.cfm?instanceid=8316 HERE COMES GEORGE W's WILD DAUGHTER ONE OF THE toughest domestic issues George W. Bush faces in the next few years is how to control his hard-drinking daughter. Jenna Bush, 19, has a reputation at the University of Texas at Austin as a wild party girl who flirts openly with fraternity hunks. What's more, fellow students say, freshman Jenna is a chip off the old block. George W. was a two-fisted drinker in his youth and Jenna is picking up where he left off. She follows the policy: "I drink. I fall down. No problem." "Jenna's a wild one, all right," said a pal. "She's partying up a storm." "I've seen her three times in bars and she's never looked sober," agreed another student source. Just a week before the presidential election, Jenna whooped it up at a fraternity bash at Austin's Buffalo Club, a student watering hole a few blocks from the governor's mansion where her mom and dad live. The bar's featured drink is a potent brew called Long Island ice tea. "Jenna was really out of hand, yelling at the top of her lungs," said the source. "At one point she was dancing with another girl at the back of the bar while guys drinking ice teas were ogling them. Then Jenna fell over on top of her friend and the two of them tumbled to the ground. All the guys let out a big cheer." A few weeks later, Jenna was spotted out on the town once more, this time at a popular bar called Fat Tuesday. Again she was partying hearty. "She looked drunk to me," said a fellow student. "She was getting really flirtatious with guys, sitting on their laps and rubbing her bottom on their knees." Jenna has been known for her wild ways since she and her fraternal twin sister, Barbara, attended Stephen F. Austin High School together. As a senior she was at the center of an incident that had to be hushed up in the Texas state capital, The ENQUIRER has learned. Last spring, Jenna agreed to model dresses at a charity fashion show at Austin's Club De Ville. Unfortunately, she got a little smashed at the show, an insider says -- and tripped and fell off the runway. "Then she failed to show up back at the governor's mansion," the insider revealed. "Gov. Bush was worried sick and sent out cops to look for her. They found her in the club after hours fooling around with some guy." While sister Barbara, a serious student, went on to prestigious Yale University, Jenna chose UT - - a famous party school. And even though college was only a few blocks away from home, she left the governor's mansion and moved into a freshman dorm. "Jenna didn't want to be under the thumb of her parents," said the source. "She wanted freedom." Many UT students agree that the captions under Barbara and Jenna's names in their high school yearbook describe perfectly the difference between the twins. Barbara is labeled the girl "most likely to appear on the cover of Vogue." Jenna is "most likely to trip on prom night." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Questions For Colin Powell
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/2000 7:31:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: olin Powell, George W. Bush's designated Secretary of State, is a national icon, with a personal story celebrated by millions. This goes a long way to answer why my husband, a Vietnam vet, has always disliked Powell. I remember in particular when they wanted Powell to run for president, and he said, "There's a lot of his past I don't think he will want brought into the light of day." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] National Enquirer: GET READY, AMERICA!
-Caveat Lector- She won't be partying for a while-- Jenna Bush had an emergency appendectomy Christmas Day, according to the news report on WQXR-FM New York. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New EPA head wants to seal records
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/2000 10:36:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "in the most extreme example of the Bush camp's desperation to avoid a recount, the new director of the Environment Protection Agency, Christine Todd Whitman, has proposed that the Florida ballots be sealed for 10 years." If they seal Ms. Whitman up along with the votes I'm for it. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass shooting in Massachusetts
-Caveat Lector- SOU=special operations unit A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] No suspects? Just DNA test everyone.
-Caveat Lector- This is the type of story I report on, throughout the holiday period, daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com Local men face tests in rape inquiry Scores of men living near the scene of a rape attack on a 16-year-old girl are to be DNA tested, police said today. The teenager was attacked and left for dead as she walked home from a shop in Paston, Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, on December 10. Detectives said she was hit over the head with a blunt instrument and dragged into bushes before being raped. Detective Superintendent Mark Hopkins said men living near the site would be asked to provide mouth swabs. The screening operation would start today and last for at least several days. The teenager remains in hospital, where her condition is said to be improving. Detectives have not been able to question her about her ordeal. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Solstice marked by sacrifice
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, PM Kansan1225 wrote: To understand the clandestine Luciferian Masonic (CLuM) symbolism of this millennial year's Presidential Farce, meditate on the following dates: September 14 March 14 December 13 December 14 Wow. You are actually becoming insulting, man! Why all the double talk?? If you got something, SPIT IT OUT ALREADY, K? Like I said several days ago, proof of just ONE of the many many abstract claims you have been making would get every body off your ass...proof of JUST ONE (just a single item that could substantiate EVEN ONE of your claims) would MAKE MY DECADE, i.e., I, and I'm sure many others here) would be seriously indebted to you. I guess that means, "put up, or shut up," i.e., PLEASE, START PREFACING YOUR STUFF WITH QUALIFIERS, e.g., "It is my belief that...," etc., before the only ppl reading your stuff are fools or those wishing a hearty laugh. Sorry for the bluntness of the above, but geesh, man, you ain't responded to any of the [quite reasonable] requests from members for explanation with anything of worth??? You seem to either not understand what we are asking for, and why, OR YOUR JUST TRYING TO PISS US OFF!?!? You just keep ignoring our requests, and throwing more [ever more outrageous] claims in our faces??? You just seem to be clueless here, man?!? DAMN! We're not talking brain surgery here?!?!? You write that your "authority" in making these wild claims is your own personal investigative endeavors, right? WELL HOW'BOUT SHARING SOME ALREADY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! And, thanks in advance...and HAPPY NEW YEAR:) Mike = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Christmas Story Found In 3000-Year-Old Writings Of King Solomon
-Caveat Lector- http://www1.internetwire.com/iwire/release_clickthrough?release_id=21246; category=Lifestyle Details of the Christmas story have been found encoded together in the ancient Hebrew text of the Bible, written nearly a thousand years before the event. The surprisingly extensive collection of predictions was discovered beneath the surface text of the book of Proverbs earlier this month by Bible Code Digest researchers. In announcing the finds, the monthly e-newsletter and web site (www.biblecodedigest.com) noted that its researchers suspect there are many more similar codes yet to be found in the passage. Centered around a puzzling Christmas message, the researchers have so far found dozens of Hebrew equidistant letter sequences (ELSs) such as Mary, Joseph, Bethlehem, stable, manger, nativity, shepherds, star and angels. The cryptic 14-letter focal ELS reads "Christmas is a gift to him and to the mother," and runs backwards every 19th letter from Proverbs 15:30 to 15:22. Researchers are not sure of the meaning of the message, although they note that both Joseph and Mary appear near it. The complete cluster of Christmas codes appears to span Proverbs 14 through 17. Bible scholars believe Solomon, the son of King David, authored most of Proverbs. He reigned as king of Israel from 970-930 B.C. Equidistant letter sequences are Hebrew words and phrases made up of letters with equal numbers of other letters, or "skips," between them. According to veteran mathematician R. Edwin Sherman, director of the Bible Code Digest, the odds against these words appearing by chance is less than one in a trillion. "Any small number of shorter codes could just be coincidental," said Sherman. "But there are far too many of them in this array to be there by chance." Sherman is a consultant to Fortune 500 companies and government agencies on insurance risk, Sherman uses extensive statistical analysis to evaluate the validity of Bible codes. Researchers included Sherman, physicist and Hebrew expert Dr. Nathan Jacobi, and Dave Swaney, editor of the Bible Code Digest. Bible Code Digest researchers use search software developed by the pioneering Israeli scientists whose paper announcing the significance of Torah codes was first published in the prestigious journal Statistical Science. The software uses the Koren version of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament. Significant code clusters like this are typically connected thematically to the surface text above them. For instance, another less mathematically-significant Christmas cluster was discovered during the project beneath Micah 5:1-2, a well-known prophetic passage about the Christmas story. This verse reads, "But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth to me, he who is to be ruler in Israel; and his origin is from ancient time, from days of old." The researchers are so far baffled by the lack of such a connection for this cluster. The Proverbs text where the Christmas codes are located is seemingly the same advice for living given throughout this revered book, and has no obvious link to the Christmas story. Bible code research gained the world spotlight three years ago with the publication of several best-selling books on the subject. But research into Bible codes has been going on since the Middle Ages, when rabbis began noticing remarkable ELSs in the Torah. Code research took a quantum leap forward with the introduction of mathematical analysis of German and Japanese codes during World War II, and the advent of personal computers a few decades later. Bible code researchers use the same basic methodology to search for codes in the original Hebrew. Bible Code Digest researchers have discovered several other meaningful code arrays in the Old Testament. The most significant is a massive cluster beneath Isaiah 52 and 53 about the crucifixion of Christ. Another is an extremely significant group of Holocaust clusters in Genesis and Deuteronomy. They also recently announced discovery of a new form of code called mosaics, which are word patterns that when analyzed statistically indicate authorship of portions of Genesis was far beyond the abilities of humans. The following is a partial list of the Christmas ELSs found to date: 61623; Christmas is a present to him and to the mother 61623; Son of Mary 61623; Joseph 61623; Mary 61623; Betrothed 61623; City of David 61623; Bethlehem 61623; Star 61623; Jesus the Messiah 61623; Stable 61623; Manger 61623; Angels 61623; Homage 61623; Deer of the dawn (star of the east) 61623; Son of Man 61623; Cow shed 61623; Shepherds 61623; Atonement Lamb 61623; Hope 61623; Adoration 61623; Virgin 61623; The Magi 61623; Gifts 61623; Gift of myrrh 61623; Gift of frankincense 61623; Gift of gold 61623; The root of Jesse 61623; Savior 61623; Cradle of straw 61623; A Banner for the peoples 61623; A Covenant of the people 61623; Light of the nations 61623; Holy
[CTRL] British academics say they have solved Buddha-related riddle
-Caveat Lector- http://www.timesofindia.com/241200/24ente9.htm LONDON: Two British university academics working in Nepal believe they have solved a riddle that could rewrite the history of one of the world's oldest religions. Archaeologists Robin Coningham and Armin Schmidt are awaiting results that could settle a major dispute on where the Buddha or Prince Siddhartha Gautama grew up. For the last four years, the Bradford University academics have been working on a Unesco-funded dig at Tilaurakot in Nepal. They say the Buddha was born in nearby Lumbini and 19th century archaeologists believe the remains of Kapilavastu, Buddha's hometown, were to be found in nearby Tilaurakot.But these claims were discredited in the 1960s after Indian archaeologists said key finds at the site did not go back far enough in time and only dated to 200 B C, which was 300 years after the Buddha is believed to have lived.Now the Unesco team, working with Nepal's chief archaeologist Kosh Acharya, has found items, including iron furnaces, terracotta crucibles and fragments of painted bowls, which confirm the accuracy of the 19th century archaeologists. Coningham expects to receive carbon-dating results that will confirm his findings within weeks. He compares the Unesco project with searches for major Christian sites like Nazareth. "Seldom has archaeology had such a superb opportunity to uncover the origins of one of the world's greatest religions," he said. "We are now quite certain that the excavated finds date back to as late as the seventh or eighth centuries B C, which certainly pre-dates the period when Buddha is thought to have lived." He hopes the discovery will help attract tourists and investment back to Nepal, whose Buddhist sites have been relatively neglected.Indian experts continue to believe that the site of Pipprahawa was the home of the young Buddha. But the British archaeologists believe Indian archaeologists dated the remains at Tilaurakot incorrectly because they tested only one section and not the deepest. Coningham, who is due to fly back to Nepal next April to work on a new dig, says there has been huge local interest in the Unesco project."We had some Buddhist monks visiting when we were there, asking to have some of the mud that was being excavated to use in a ceremony, because Buddha could have walked on it", he said in an interview published in a Bradford newspaper. "I've also had some absolute nutters on the phone with questions about the origins of Buddha, so it's been a very interesting time!" A HREF="http://www.timesofindia.com/241200/24ente9.htm"Click here: 24 December 2000 : British academics say they have solved Buddha-related riddle/A = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78
-Caveat Lector- From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (Dec. 26) - Jason Robards, the veteran stage and screen actor who won back-to-back Oscars for ``All the President's Men'' and ``Julia,'' died Tuesday after battling cancer. He was 78. --- Damn. And this applies to conspiracy research...how? Perhaps not 'conspiracy' per se, but I DO have an interesting bit of gossip about Mr. Robards... I worked at a major mortgage bank, in the mortgage department, in Bridgeport in the 70s...Jason Robards applied for a mortgage, and his mortgage folder came across my desk (as did the mortgage folders of quite a few famous and infamous folk who make Connecticut their home)... So I curiously took a quick perusal through the folder...interesting bits of information can be gleaned from these folders (such as the fact that an actress, very big in the 1960s and early 70s, was as much of a ditz as her on-screen personas, and paid more attention to her dozens of cats than in her financial matters)... Anyway...Mr. Robards was no ditz when it came to his finances. Turns out that he had been married a couple of times, and each of the ex-wives were granted alimony based on his annual income. He didn't want to pay it, so he incorporated himself, with himself as president of Jason Robards, Inc., and his lawyer as treasurer. As president of the corporation, Mr. Robards had unlimited drawing power on the treasury of Jason Robards, Inc. As an individual, Mr. Robards had a fairly paltry annual salary. But Jason Robards, Inc., DID make a substantial income via the acting duties of Jason Robards, the individual, which as a corporate entity was beyond the reach of the ex-wives. It was all spelled out there in the folder...as an individual, he could have never gotten a mortgage with the bank due to his paltry earnings as an individual. But as president of a corporation making big bucks, and having unlimited drawing power upon those funds, he was considered an optimal mortgage customer, and so was granted the mortgage... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WT: Chinese espionage handbook details ease of swiping secrets
-Caveat Lector- December 26, 2000 Chinese espionage handbook details ease of swiping secrets By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES China's government is engaged in large-scale science and technology spying targeted primarily on gaining U.S. defense secrets for military use, according to a translated Chinese government manual. The spying handbook was obtained by the Pentagon earlier this year and reveals how Beijing gathers defense intelligence and has been doing so aggressively for more than 30 years. "A common saying has it that there are no walls which completely block the wind, nor is absolute secrecy achievable," the book by two Chinese intelligence specialists states. "And invariably there will be numerous open situations in which things are revealed, either in tangible or intangible form. By picking here and there among the vast amount of public materials and accumulating information a drop at a time, often it is possible to basically reveal the outlines of some secret intelligence, and this is particularly true in the case of Western countries. Through probability analysis, in foreign countries it is believed that 80 percent or more of intelligence can be gotten through public materials." The 250-page book, "Sources and Techniques of Obtaining National Defense Science and Technology Intelligence," is not classified. However, Pentagon officials said its contents provide new insights on how China's government obtains secrets and technology. The book was written by Huo Zhongwen and Wang Zongxiao, 30-year spy veterans who now teach intelligence at the China National Defense, Science and Technology Information Center (DSTIC) in Beijing. The center coordinates sharing of technology from some 4,000 Chinese intelligence organizations. "The Chinese do not spy as God intended it," said Paul Moore, a former FBI intelligence analyst who specialized in Beijing spying activities. China uses a variety of collectors students, business people, scientists or visitors abroad instead of relying on professional intelligence officers working for the Ministry of State Security or the People's Liberation Army Second Department, he said. Most often, Beijing's intelligence services do not pay cash for secrets and expect people friendly to the Communist government, many of whom are ethnic Chinese, to provide it free of charge, Mr. Moore said during a recent speech. The book describes Chinese information-gathering as a science. "Consider information piece by piece; place an excessive, one-sided emphasis on the absolute amount of the information collected; gauge the quality of collection work solely on the basis of the amount of information collected," it states. The book contradicts official Chinese claims that its high-technology weapons development is indigenous. Beijing has dismissed U.S. government charges that its nuclear weapons modernization program is based on stolen U.S. nuclear weapons technology, most obtained from U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories. According to the spying manual, more than 80 percent of all Chinese spying focuses on open-source material obtained from government and private-sector information. The remaining 20 percent is gathered through illicit means, including eliciting information from scientists at meetings, through documents supplied by agents or through electronic eavesdropping. Through negligence on the part of security review personnel, valuable secrets can be obtained. The book states that a "Top Secret" scientific report known as "UCRL-4725 Weapons Development, June 1956" was mistakenly declassified by Los Alamos National Laboratory. It became the basis for Progressive magazine's 1979 article on the development of a hydrogen bomb. "This incident tells us that, on one hand, absolute secrecy is not attainable, while on the other hand, there is a random element involved in the discovery of secret intelligence sources, and to turn this randomness into inevitability, it is necessary that there be those who monitor some sectors and areas with regularity and vigilance," the book states. Among the best sources for national defense intelligence material, the book lists publications from Congress, the National Defense Technical Information Center and the National Technical Information Service. As for numerous reports produced by the Energy Department, the Chinese view them as "a source of intelligence of great value." Regarding clandestine spying, the report states: "It is also necessary to stress that there is still 20 percent or less of our intelligence that must come through the collection of information using special means, such as reconnaissance satellites, electronic eavesdropping and the activities of special agents purchasing or stealing, etc." Through direct contacts with scientists and other spying targets, the report states that "this is the procedure commonly used for collecting verbal information, but it is not limited to verbal communications.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: He Invites - SON OF SAM FINDS CHRIST
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So Son of Sam might be up for parole in 2001 or 2002 - he now claims to be born again Christian... AE had a special on the "Son of Sam" killings a year or two ago, where Berkowitz was interviews extensively, and it was mentioned that he is now a Christian... Hard to say how he can be a 'born again Christian', when he was originally Jewish...unless he had a second conversion after his initial conversion to Christianity... But now that most of his blood relations are dying (ostensibly via natural causes due to old age, etc.), Berkowitz seems to be more willing to discuss what really was going on back in the late 70s...before now, he seemed to fear retaliation on his relatives if he 'went public'... So tonite spoke with an individual who said a book out on Son of Sam (she knew the author) ties him with and is going to hit big - Manson and others.brain washed programmed killers. Yes, this isn't new...there's been rumors for decades that the group Berkowitz was involved with was part of a national network which also was involved with the Manson group... Berkowitz claimed to have been programmed but it seems to me he was linked to something a little more than has been revealed. Again, he seems to be willing to open up a little more regarding the conspiracy aspects of what he was involved in, now that his blood relations are dead and ostensibly beyond the reach of whomever Berkowitz fears... To think this vicious killer was even considered for parole - Remember, EVIDENCE points to the fact that Berkowitz was responsible for only one or two of the shootings, and that others who didn't resemble Berkowitz in the least did the other shootings. A few years ago the NYPD even admitted that they had closed the case too soon, that others were involved...but after the initial flurry of news reports regarding this admission, the story was mysteriously dropped, and nothing further was done. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UPI: ESPIONAGE MUSEUM PLANNED FOR WASHINGTON
-Caveat Lector- ESPIONAGE MUSEUM PLANNED FOR WASHINGTON A Cleveland-based company said it intends to open "the largest permanent exhibit dedicated to the history of espionage" in downtown Washington by the spring of 2002. "Spying has a resonance, a mystique about it," Dennis Barrie, a former Smithsonian curator who's heading the effort, told The Washington Post. "We want to peel away that surfaceWe intend to give a historical perspective, but we also want to immerse people in a sense of time and space," he said. The firm, Malrite Co., plans to house the International Spy Museum in 58,000 square feet of renovated space near the National Portrait Gallery. Unlike most museums in Washington, the privately-owned project will be a for-profit venture, the newspaper said. Visitors will be charged admission, about $8. Some of the items on display will be on loan from H. Keith Melton, an espionage artifacts collector, historian and technical adviser on the Malrite project. "The general public really has no idea about real spying," said Melton. "Unfortunately, they've seen too many Oliver Stone movies and think the CIA's a big shooting gallery where they train assassins...We want to show how the world we live in has been crafted through the work of spies." The CIA has been kept abreast of the Malrite project, but has not officially endorsed it, spokesman Mark Mansfield said. But the project did involve a CIA employee who acted as a private consultant. Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:05:48 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Under fascism, the capitalist class OWNS the government. Under "communism" the government IS the capitalist class.They're different, but not much. Either war, working people have no say whatsoever.=20 OK, lets look at ourselves. Are we fascist or communist? It is a given that corporate america owns the politicians, the process, the judiciary, etc. Now are they the capitalist class that OWNS the government (Fascists)? Or, since their nominal employees are the government, and they control their employees, are they communists? I think we are making the same misstake that anthropoligists have made for years. Marxist theory was used to 'explain' indiginous behavior. That forced anthropologists to fit the square peg of observed behavior into the round hole of Marxist theory. What we have today is not pure anything. It is an amalgum of capitalistic greed mixed with what ever political form is available and electable. Let's stop arguing about the proper label and get to the nut of the problem. Look at George II's nominations so far. Big Business (a lot from big oil) nominees dominate where money is involved (Treasury, Commerce, OMB, National Security). Attorney General is Ashcroft, and I can safely say that if he does get in you can kiss a lot of our rights goodbye, all in the interests of "Law and Order" which protects big business and government from the rest of us. Whitman, not very knowledgable on the environment has thankfullness (for a big job promotion) and controlability going for her. Vampire Capitalism has been with us for over 20 years, and is just now being recognized for what it is. George II is putting Vampire Capitalism in control of the government.That sucking sound you will soon hear is the last of our natural resources being vaccuumed out from under us. Privatizing Social Security is just another way to suck it dry and not even leave an I.O.U. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass shooting in Massachusetts
Title: RE: [CTRL] Mass shooting in Massachusetts I think it's all orchestrated... I mean how often did this occur 20 years ago or more? It must be easier for the Elitists to pull off today then it was before because of mind control or whatever, I dunno. But it's definitely not a random that's what really happened crime. I noticed how the media was so forward in listing all the weapons of the shooter and a rifle was mentioned... See, those NRA guys really are bad murderous criminals. This is a setup to show that any gun can be a murder weapon even rifles so they can take our guns... They create the crisis then they provide their solution and the people will accept it, specially if Rosie O'Donnell in here ignorance supports it. The sheeple just don't see it. They don't think for themselves anymore. Jamie -Original Message- From: kl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Mass shooting in Massachusetts -Caveat Lector- The following was snipped from my inbox. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Dearest Friends, Right now, I am watching news coverage of a mass shooting in Wakefield, Massachusetts. It struck me as very strange that there are reports of BATF being involved, and one of the first things I noticed were the police dressed from head to toe in black, with black helmets, black face masks, and the letters: S.O.U. on the backs of their black uniforms. Does anyone have any clue what S.O.U. might mean? These shootings are a strange phenomenon indeed. What do you folks think? Whatever happened to the traditional police uniforms (in other words, why do they look like military instead of everyday, average law enforcement officers?) Just some food for thought. God bless, (Name withheld) -- Taking a long view of history, we may say that anyone who lays down his arms deserves whatever he gets. --Jeff Cooper A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Bush/Moon/CNP
Columbus Free Press Bush moons America by Bob Fitrakis, April 01, 2000 Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush the son of former CIA Director George Herbert Walker Bush found himself in trouble and faltering after his New Hampshire defeat to Senator John McCain. A shadowy, secretive and spooky network centered around right wing religious organizations and causes rushed to his rescue in South Carolina. At the crux of this network is the Council for National Policy (CNP) founded in 1981 by the Rev. Tim LaHaye and T. Cullen Davis, members of the ultra-right John Birch Society with financial backing from Nelson Bunker Hunt. Currently, the clandestine CNP has over 500 members and serves as the Who¹s Who network of the United States¹ right wing. At the center of the CNP, with a seemingly endless supply of questionable cash, is self-proclaimed Messiah and mind control cult leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Ron Godwin, Senior Vice President of the Moon-owned Washington Times, and Robert Grant, President of Moon-affiliated American Freedom Coalition (AFC), are CNP members. The main function of the Moon organization seems to be providing media propaganda and financially propping up failing right wing organizations. In the mid-1980¹s when New Right direct mail king Richard Viguerie fell into debt, Moon¹s Unification Church bought his building for ten million dollars. Viguerie served on the Board of the AFC and has done mailings for that organization and the Washington Times. When the Rev. Jerry Falwell fell on hard times, once again, it was the Moonies to the rescue. Moon has reportedly lost a billion dollars in the 1980¹s and 90¹s operating the Washington Times. In 1992, a PBS Frontline investigative report claimed that a key money source for Rev. Moon¹s far-flung world financial empire was Ryoichi Sasakawa, the self-proclaimed ³world¹s richest fascist² who died in 1995. At the time of his death, Sasakawa administered a ³charitable foundation² taking in nearly $24 billion a year from a monopoly on legalized gambling in Japan. Sasakawa was one of Japan¹s foremost fascists in the 1930¹s. He modeled his own private army of 15,000 men and 20 warplanes after Mussolini¹s Black Shirts. After the World War II, Sasakawa, a classified Class A war criminal, awaited death in a military prison before suddenly being released by General Douglas McArthur. Also released with Sasakawa was leading Japanese organized crime syndicate leader Yoshio Kodama of the Yakuza. The Japanese News Service KYODO released documents linking Sasakawa to U.S. military intelligence. Declassified documents link Kodama¹s release to the CIA. Both Kodama and Sasakawa played a key role in the rise of the Moon organization. In 1977, Congressman Donald Fraser launched an investigation into the Moonie organization. The 444-page Congressional report alleged Moonie involvement in arms sales, bribery, bank fraud and illegal kickbacks. Not surprisingly, the report suggested that Moon¹s Unification Church was a tool of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) and was being used to influence U.S. foreign and domestic policy. The U.S. CIA created the Korean KCIA and also established the ties between Sasakawa, Kodama and Moon. Moon, a Korean, and his two Japanese buddies, first joined forces in the 1960¹s to form the Asian people¹s Anti-Communist League with the aid of KCIA agents and allegedly financed by Japanese Yakuza money. In 1964, League money set up Moon¹s ³Freedom Center² in the U.S. with crime boss Kodama serving as Chief Advisor to the Moon subsidiary ³Win Over Communism.² In 1966, the League merged with the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, a group with strong fascist ties to form the World Anti-Communist League led by retired U.S. Major General John Singlaub. Singlaub, a good friend of the Bush family, serves on the CNP and enlisted paramilitary organizations to support the contra cause in Nicaragua. These are the FOBs (Friends of Bush), a shadowy network connected to the CIA, mind control, fascism and arms and drug-running. Articles Spring2000
[CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President
-Caveat Lector- G.W. Bush will soon take the Oath of Office and be sworn-in as President of the United States. He will solemnly swear: "...to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States..." IFhe has any intention of honoring his oath, IFhe has any intention of serving under the lawful authority of The Constitution, IFhe has any personal honor or integrity, THEN..his very first Official Act as President should be to cancel the fraudulent "State of Emergency" under which this country has existed since 1933. Bush's own political party has demanded this. The Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Texas passed a Formal Resolution in 1995 which demanded the "State of Emergency" be ended. The Republican Party of California passed an almost identical Resolution that same year. The U.S. Senate created the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency in 1973. ___ 93d Congress SENATE Report No. 93-549 1st Session EMERGENCY POWERS STATUTES: PROVISIONS OF FEDERAL LAW NOW IN EFFECT DELEGATING TO THE EXECUTIVE EXTRAORDINARY AUTHORITY IN TIME OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY REPORT OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON THE TERMINATION OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY UNITED STATES SENATE NOVEMBER 19, 1973 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON : 1973 24-509 O SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON THE TERMINATION OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY FRANK CHURCH, Idaho Co-Chairman PHILIP A. HART, Michigan CLAIBORNE PELL, Rhode Island ADLAI E. STEVENSON III, Illinois CHARLES McC MATHIAS, Jr., Maryland CLIFFORD P. CASE, New Jersey JAMES B. PEARSON, Kansas CLIFFORD P. HANSEN, Wyoming WILLIAM G. MILLER, Staff Director THOMAS A. DINE, Professional Staff FOREWORD Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially-proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971. These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes." __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: Dee Dee Myers: Hillary's a Bitch
-Caveat Lector- "And one-time White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported in 1996 that junior White House staffers were ordered not to make eye contact with the first lady lest they anger her." "Myers is the first Clinton loyalist to go public ..." With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Tuesday, Dec. 26, 2000 3:09 p.m. EST Dee Dee Myers: Hillary's a B---h As first lady, Hillary Clinton had a habit of raging at even senior White House aides, hurling personal insults designed to belittle and humiliate them in front of their colleagues, according to former White House Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers. Myers lifted the lid on Mrs. Clinton's long-rumored nasty temper in an amazingly candid interview with ABCNews.com, which gathered the accounts of several former White House staffers to commemorate the end of the Clinton administration. One vivid example cited by Myers was the internal administration debate over how to handle Whitewater. Myers, George Stephanopoulos and several others in the meeting favored turning all documents from the Clintons' controversial land deal over to the Washington Post. But when Mrs. Clinton entered the room and demanded to know what was going on, everybody "clammed up." "Mrs. Clinton wanted to know what was going on and she looked at George," reports Myers. "And George began to make the argument that we'd all been making and nobody backed him up. Nobody backed him up. Everyone just sat there and let George take the beating, you know. "And Mrs. Clinton got really angry," said Myers. "She attacked George, which everyone knew was coming, which is why I guess nobody was willing to ride in there to the rescue. ... Here were 12 people in the room who all basically agreed and only one of them was willing to stand up and tell her what she had asked. And that took a lot of courage." Myers told ABC that when anyone tried to disagree with Mrs. Clinton, her temper could be vicious and more deliberately hurtful than even her husband's notorious purple rages. "Anybody that stood up and tried to say this was a bad idea was, you know, smashed down and belittled, very personally," the Clinton loyalist revealed. "And I mean where I said the president didn't really attack people personally, Mrs. Clinton sometimes did." The one-time Clinton spokeswoman said that White House staffers lived in fear of the first lady because her attacks sometimes wouldn't end when her temper tantrums subsided. "Not only would she sort of humiliate you in front of your colleagues or whoever happened to be around," Myers said, "Hillary tended to kind of campaign against people behind their back, and that was certainly my experience." "She was not happy with me, but she never confronted me. She would go call [then-White House chief of staff] Leon [Panetta] in and yell at him and then he'd have to call me in and say, 'Mrs. Clinton is really upset about X. You said Y, and she disagrees with that, and you know, she wants you to fix it,' or whatever." Myers is the first Clinton loyalist to go public with charges that Mrs. Clinton would brutalize White House aides with her rages. Previous accounts of Clinton's notorious temper were generally dismissed by mainstream reporters as the grumblings of disgruntled former employees. Nearly two years ago, Hillary biographer Barbara Olson reported that White House counsel Abner Mikva was so incensed over Mrs. Clinton's conduct that he resigned after one profanity-laced upbraiding by the first lady. Another Clinton biographer, Gail Sheehy - who has spent hours with the first lady since the 1992 campaign - wrote that Clinton seemed to be "in a perpetual state of suspended anger." Once Hillary even tried to kick an Arkansas state trooper bodyguard who got in her way, according to Clinton biographer Christopher Andersen. And one-time White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported in 1996 that junior White House staffers were ordered not to make eye contact with the first lady lest they anger her. But during her New York Senate campaign, the media never touched on these and dozens of other accounts about Mrs. Clinton's temper, portraying her instead as a warm and genuinely likable personality. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lewrockwell.com/sobran/sobran123.html Stealing an Election by Joseph Sobran Both the major parties have been accusing each other of trying to "steal" the presidential election in Florida. But this mess is a clean process indeed compared to one that occurred in Maryland in 1861. In May 1861 the Civil War was already raging. President Abraham Lincoln called on Maryland to send four regiments to fight for the Union cause. But the state was bitterly divided over the war. Most Marylanders didn't want their state to secede, but neither did they favor war. It is widely forgotten that a large body of American opinion held that the Confederate States had every right to secede from the Union and thought they should be allowed to go in peace. But to Lincoln, this view was "treason." By Lincoln's definition, most Americans, not just Southerners, probably qualified as traitors. The Maryland state legislature replied to Lincoln's summons for troops with a resolution condemning the war as "unconstitutional and repugnant to civilization," adding that "for the sake of humanity we are for peace and reconciliation, and solemnly protest against this war, and will take no part in it." The legislature also called "the present military occupation of Maryland" a "flagrant violation of the Constitution." Lincoln was infuriated. He sent informers to determine which members of the legislature were "disloyal" i.e., opposed to war. On the night of September 12 he had federal troops arrest dozens of legislators and other prominent citizens (including the mayor of Baltimore and a Maryland congressman) he suspected of Southern sympathies. Since Lincoln had also suspended the right of habeas corpus, he claimed the power to arrest anyone arbitrarily, without specific charges and without a trial. When the chief justice of the United States, Roger Taney, had ruled that Lincoln had no constitutional power to do this, Lincoln had not only ignored the ruling but ordered Taney's arrest too! (If he had gone through with this outrage, he might well have been impeached and removed from office.) Having depleted the Maryland legislature, Lincoln moved to refill it with reliable Unionists. He stationed thousands of federal troops in the state and used them to crush dissent. As the historian Charles Adams writes in his book When in the Course of Human Events (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman Littlefield, 2000): "In November there was an election, and to make sure only Union people were elected, all members of the Federal armed forces voted, even though they were not residents of the state. At the voting booths, other voters had to pass through platoons of Union soldiers who had bayonets affixed to their rifles." Southern sympathizers attempting to vote were arrested. By such means Lincoln got the legislature he wanted. "Democratic government ceased in Maryland for the duration of the war," Adams notes. So much for "government of the people, by the people, for the people," which, you'll recall, would "perish from the earth" if the Union lost. Lincoln's devotion to his avowed principles may be measured by such practices, which showed the cynicism behind his gorgeous rhetoric. The legend of Lincoln's humanitarianism and love of freedom will not withstand an examination of his brutal wartime tactics, which shocked civilized Europe. The cruelty of the Union armies as they invaded the South is well known. What is less well known is how the Union terrorized itself. Across the North Lincoln authorized tens of thousands of arbitrary arrests and shut down hundreds of newspapers for criticizing his war. His military governors sometimes ordered hangings, without trial, for minor offenses. Mere suspicion of disloyalty very broadly defined was enough to expose the individual to danger from his own government. It was a genuine reign of terror, an era of government by hysteria. The Constitution was effectively suspended. Defenders of Lincoln and the Union cause contend that the Constitution doesn't authorize states to secede. Actually, the Constitution says nothing about secession; it doesn't authorize it, and it doesn't forbid it. But neither does the Constitution authorize its own abrogation for the purpose of resisting secession. It remains binding on the federal government, including the president, at all times, even during war and insurrection. Lincoln argued in effect that the Constitution could be saved only if he could violate it. It was, and remains, a shabby argument; but it was, and remains, successful propaganda. December 27, 2000 -- Spike Lee should be shot with a .44 bulldog. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Happy Everything
-Caveat Lector- Like gravity Holidays, chastity, marriage give people ways of defining themselves Without heterosexuals what would you call homosexuals, how would you define them? If it wasn't holidays would they be upset at the animals, sky or gravity. Without something to blame they just need to use the right thing. Birds wrote: -Caveat Lector- Saba, The card was not meant for that reason. Actually is pertains to Ritual Abuse Survivors who really hate holidays and doing all the usual garb. So someone made up this funny card to cover that arena! Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Happy Everything -Caveat Lector- Happy Everything to you Birdie...boy you sure know how to get your money's worth - what an idea - one card fits all - look at the postage you could save? Saba You forgot Ground Hog's Day. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Sum2000.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us
[CTRL] Pet Mines
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Activists Urge Americans To 'Adopt-a-Minefield'
WASHINGTON - It is a tried and true fundraising method that for decades has helped
communities across the United States maintain thousands of kilometers of highways.
Roads are being offered to companies, organizations and wealthy individuals for
"adoption."
Now, two leading US disarmament groups are trying the same approach on the
international stage by urging US groups and individuals to "adopt" minefields in
countries like Afghanistan or Cambodia to held raise the money for clearing them.
"The idea behind Adopt-A-Minefield is both powerful and simple," explained the
United Nations Association of the United States, one of the campaign organizers.
"Designed to move the political and policy debates typically associated with banning
the use of landmines, the Campaign provides a practical solution to the tens of
millions of mines that contaminate the world," the group said in a statement.
The Better World Fund, created two years ago by activist entrepreneur Ted Turner,
the founder of CNN television, promised to make sure that every dollar raised
through "adoptions" of minefields was "forwarded to the United Nations for mine
clearance operations."
An estimated 100 million landmines have been planted around the world during various
recent conflicts, according to the United Nations. They kill or maim more than
20,000 people a year, most often in Cambodia, Angola, Bosnia-Herzegovina and
Afghanistan.
But identifying minefields is only part of the problem, according to disarmament
activists.
They say that while a modern landmine costs as little as three dollars to produce,
removing it could cost up to 1,000 dollars, which often makes the whole undertaking
too expensive for rural communities.
That's where the Adopt-A-Minefield campaign is expected to lend a hand.
William Luers, chairman of the UN Association of the United States, says the ideas
appears to have captured people's imagination.
"It's something you can pay for that gets done and helps save lives -- direct," he
told The New York Times.
So far, the groups have managed to arrange for the "adoption" of 53 minefields in
Bosnia, Croatia, Afghanistan, Cambodia and Mozambique.
The sponsors include disarmament and religious groups, companies as well as several
individuals.
Amy Newmark of Greenwich, Connecticut, has "adopted" a section of a minefield in
Matutuine, in southern Mozambique, while Josh and Judy Weston from Montclair, New
Jersey, are taking care of a minefield in Reaksmei Suengha, in Battambang province,
in Cambodia.
"Their donation will be used to clear land that will enable the villagers of
Reaksmei Suengha to safely use their school, pagoda, and surrounding agricultural
land," campaign organizers said in a statement.
The two groups, whose "adoption" initiative enjoys the backing of the Clinton
administration, expect to raise more than 2.5 million dollars by the end of the
year.
Meanwhile the US government plans to spend 100 million dollars to support demining
efforts around the world in 2001, according to the State Department.
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[CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- License to Kill http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/dh/2000/david07-13-00.htm David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | July 13, 2000 IT WHEN A YOUNG MAN named Matthew Shepard was tortured and left to die on the high plains of Wyoming simply because he was gay, the nation was outraged. Earlier that year, an even more brutal attack was made on the person of James Byrd Jr., a black man in Texas. Like Shepard's murder, Byrd's was followed by outpourings of anger and grief from editorial pages and political pulpits across the country. Well and good enough. These responses are signs of health in the body politic, the presence of a will to summon the better angels of our nature, and to keep the savagery that lurks beneath the surface of any civilized society safely at bay. But by contrast, most of the nation never knew about another crime that took place more than a year before the attack on James Byrd. Three white Michigan youngsters hitched a train-ride as a teenage lark. When they got off the train, they found themselves in the wrong urban neighborhood, surrounded by a gang of armed black youths. One of the white teenagers, Michael Carter, aged fourteen, was killed. Dustin Kaiser, aged fifteen, who was brutally beaten and shot in the head, eventually recovered. The fourteen-year-old girl (whose name has been withheld) was pistol-whipped and shot in the face after being forced to perform oral sex on her attackers. Though the six African-Americans responsible for the deed were arrested and convicted, their attack was not prosecuted as a hate crime. More to the point, most of the nation never knew that the crime had taken place. It was not reported on page one of the national press, and there was no public outrage expressed in the nation's editorials or in the halls of Congress. Indeed, the few papers that reported the incident nationally did so on their inside pages. Beyond the Great Lakes region, the stories often failed to mention the races of the participants at all. The crime took place on July 21, 1997, but among readers of this book, there will not be one in a hundred who has even heard of it, because, as a hate crime, it was in a perverse sense politically incorrect. To notice that black people, as well as whites, can be responsible for vicious crimes of hate, is improper. Hate crimes can only be committed by an oppressor caste; therefore, what happened in Michigan was not a hate crime at all. The fact is that it is not tolerable in America to hate blacks, but it is okay in our politically correct culture to hate white people. Hollywood understands this rule of progressive etiquette. A recent film, American History X, features (for the umpteenth time) white neo-Nazis as the villains of a homily about racial bigotry. The idea is that race hatred is synonymous with "skin-heads" who are white. But a few years ago a sensational mass murder trial in Miami spotlighted a black cult leader named Yahweh Ben Yahweh, who required his cult members to kill whites and bring back their ears as proof of the deed. One of his recruits was a star football player. Seven people were murdered. But there was no Hollywood scramble for the rights to the Yahweh cult story, as there would have been if the colors were reversed or everyone had been white. As a result, few Americans are even aware that these murders ever took place. According to Department of Justice figures, 85 percent of the crimes of interracial violence nationwide are committed by blacks against whites. How many of these crimes are actually the result of black racism, and therefore hate crimes? There is no real way to tell. There is, however, plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests the problem is not negligible. A recent spate of brutal and random murders in a single Los Angeles district, for example, was explained by one black inhabitant to a Los Angeles Times reporter as retaliation for the "fact" that "whites had taken all the black jobs." Of course, the leftist academy has a ready answer for every question about black racism: Only whites can be racist. The alleged reasoning behind this assertion is that in our society only whites have power. This is the kind of absurdity only an intellectual could think up. Forget the thousands of public officials great and small, police chiefs, judges, administrators, and members of congress, petty bureaucrats, corporate executives, and military officers now drawn from the ranks of minorities, who wield social power in various forms. At the most elemental level, a black with a gun and there are many has the power of life and death over an unarmed law-abiding citizen of any race or color. The doctrine that only whites can be racist is, in fact, itself an instigation to hate crimes. It is a doctrine that has already spread to the secondary schools. The week after the Shepard killing, a Seattle father called a national talk radio show on which I was a guest and told the audience
[CTRL] The John Birch Society Wants You!
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Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:55 -0800 Birds [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone acceptable? Jayson, with a good supply of ammo. I see you agree! Birds Private Mail Welcome While I do not advocate anyone shooting these people, I have no objection to their self removal from the gene pool. I would be willing to supply the ammo if they gave me written assurances as to the ultimate end use. Jayson Just being helpfull;) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] No suspects? Just DNA test everyone.
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:34:53 - Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Scores of men living near the scene of a rape attack on a 16-year-old girl are to be DNA tested, police said today. This is a good example of how we get stampeded into passing some very stupid laws. Take a horrible example (preferably where a child is the victim) and whip up public sentiment to the point where you can get the most egregious laws, rules or regulations passed. MADD has taken a real problem and whipped everyone up to the frenzy of the 0.8 DUI. Megan's Law was passed in the same way, and is so egregious that it is under attack everywhere. The rash of school shootings have made possible the enactment of laws, rules and regulations that would never have been passed in calm times. Look at the article in Scientific American (January, 2001, pg 19, "Pink Slip in your Genes") and see what can come of mass genetic testing. In this case the donors would have to be identified individually. Do you think the results, reports, samples etc will be destroyed after the case is closed? What should be a boon to mankind is being perverted into a threat. Why? As the article points out, it is the old profit motive. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Peter Dale Scott
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:21:06 EST Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- That is 6:30 PST or this is a program from alternative radio and will be played on many npr and other stations world-wide. This is Dr. Scott's talk in Eugene 6/23/00. I submitted several and Dr. Scott;s was the one they chose. I am just pleased that a message is going out to many from a source that many listen to. Peter's going to be on Alternative Radio tonite @ 6:30 on KLCC. Kris, I heard you on The Dan Nims Show and wrote it down. I'll be listening. Keep up the good fight. Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:46:00 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Anyway...Mr. Robards was no ditz when it came to his finances. Turns out that he had been married a couple of times, and each of the ex-wives were granted alimony based on his annual income. He didn't want to pay it, so he incorporated himself, with himself as president of Jason Robards, Inc., and his lawyer as treasurer. As president of the corporation, Mr. Robards had unlimited drawing power on the treasury of Jason Robards, Inc. As an individual, Mr. Robards had a fairly paltry annual salary. But Jason Robards, Inc., DID make a substantial income via the acting duties of Jason Robards, the individual, which as a corporate entity was beyond the reach of the ex-wives. Yet another example of our 'fine' legal system at work. This sort of legal BS really pisses me off. Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drug help request
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:58 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Holy Gawd Jayson! Thank you! You get an A+ and ten gold stars in by book! A bottle of Irish Whiskey (Tullemore Dew if you please) will do. Do you mind if I send this to other people? No, in fact you can give them my email address if you want. This is a subject I have been intimately involved with for over 30 years. I have all kinds of research sources that are not connected to either the government or the NORMAL folks. Independent research is the only effective way to fight stupidity. Then they can't say it is biased. I also have the research on Urine Testing. And again, thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my request - I didn't know where to begin looking! There's a sea of information out there but you summarized it beautifully! There is a mass (mess) of information out there indeed. Much of it is useless in real debate as it is obviously biased on one side or another. Some of it, on both sides, is pure B.S. I only use government sources of hard data, not their press releases, media spin or "groomed data". I do not use obviously biased sources such as Rolling Stone, High TImes or NORMAL unless I get to the research data behind the story. The truth is out there, you just have to go to the sources to figure out what is truth and what is spin. Forever grateful! Kelly I appreciate that Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Preparing for the Terrorist Threat
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:31:12 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Preparing for the Terrorist Threat By Jon Basil Utley Full article at: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995 Excerpt: A congressional advisory panel reports that a national strategy is needed to defend against terrorist attacks, but some plans would have us give up our civil liberties. The potential for terrorist attacks inside U.S. borders is a serious, emerging threat," warns Republican Virginia Gov. James Gilmore. Gilmore is chairman of a congressionally mandated panel studying the changing threat to U.S. security and what kind of responses the nation will have to make. What's needed, according to Gilmore, is a "truly national strategy" with the creation of a "National Office to Combat Terrorism" reporting to the president. Moreover, the national office would be overseen by a new joint congressional committee. The implications for the future of American society, the way it is organized, and the implications for civil liberties are just now beginning to be examined by a number of groups. Now why am I not surprised that it is the Republicans leading the charge to take away more of our rights and freedoms? They are good at creating a 'boogyman' and then whipping up public sentiment to demand more of our rights and freedoms be taken away. What is it with today's list offerings? Almost every one seems to be glaring examples of our continual loss of rights and freedoms. Is it just me or are others seeing an escalation of the attacks on the Constitution "for our own good"? Jayson (Too much coffee???) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]
-Caveat Lector- Capitalism / Communism / Socialism / Fascism = Statism. Ridiculous! Libertarian math. Capitalism and Socialism are economic systems. Communism and Fascism are political systems. Statism is the Libertarian Bogey Man. Joshua2 Whoa there J2! Capitalism/ Communism/ Socialism/Fascism are all dependent on State Empowerment. Without the police power of statism, none of these systems can exist. To claim there is a difference between these statist systems because Capitalism / Socialism are "economic" while Communism/ Fascism are "political" is semantical nonsense. To say that Communism or Fascism do not have an essential economic component is extraordinary semantical nonsense. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After AllTheseYears]
-Caveat Lector- Under fascism, the capitalist class OWNS the government. Under "communism" the government IS the capitalist class.They're different, but not much. Either war, working people have no say whatsoever. Why not take it one level higher and call it what it really is? Elitism. The source of all social problems in every society to date. J2 Congrats J2! You finally got it! Of course the only way to prevent "the elites" from controlling society is to disempower the state. If you minimize the power of the state, you minimize the power of the elite. Whether it is through "the Party" or the Corporate Board, the elites absolutely rely on the police power of govenment to gather up the spoils and rip us all off of our property and freedom. The Great Allies of the Elite are the so called "Progressives." They bleat about the dastardly elites. Their solution? Empower the state even more and put "us" in chargeyeah right! flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Innocent plea in office killings
So this guy was under care of psychiatrist and presumably, drugs; from his picture he was wild looking and belonged in a mental institution - no criminal record - and he quotes his scriptures. Give a kid a gun, a bible, and some ritilin and watch this still small voice from within, order executions.so as Don Quioxte loosed the prisonersthis guy flew over the cuckoo nest too. He pleads innocent - wonder if he will shave his wild beard and I still wonder if this is his real namehow did he get away with not paying his income tax? Saba Innocent plea in office killings A distraught couple leaves the scene of the shooting Tuesday in Wakefield, Mass. Michael McDermott was arraigned Tuesday, showing no emotion as a prosecutor described the shootings that left seven co-workers dead MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS WAKEFIELD, Mass., Dec 27 A software engineer accused of targeting seven co-workers for methodical slaughter was denied bail Wednesday after pleading innocent to seven counts of murder. Michael McDermott, 42, stood impassively as a prosecutor described how the shooter blasted through the offices of Edgewater Technology with 37 rounds from a semiautomatic rifle and several from a shotgun, striking co-workers in their heads and backs as they tried to flee. December 27 The Rev. Michael Steele, who counseled workers fleeing the shooting spree, talks with "Today" host Matt Lauer SOME OF the four women and three men killed worked in the accounting department, which was recently served with an order from the Internal Revenue Service to begin withholding back taxes from McDermott's wages. Last week, he had an angry outburst over the action, said one employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. McDermott stood silently during his brief court appearance. He displayed no emotion as Tom O'Reilly, an assistant district attorney, described in graphic detail the rampage at Edgewater Technology. "There was very little, if any, missed shots. Most of the wounds went through and through the bodies," said O'Reilly. "One of (the victims) was underneath his desk. He had been shot numerous times. Another was a young lady slumped over her keyboard of her computer. She had been shot in the back of the head," O'Reilly said. The victims were earlier identified as: Jennifer Bragg-Capobianco; Janice Hagerty; Louis Javelle; Rose Manfredy; Paul Marceau; Cheryl Troy; and Craig Wood. All worked on the first floor of Edgewater Technology's offices, located in a converted factory building. Two were believed to be receptionists and the other five worked in the company's accounting department, authorities said. BOMB TOOLS FOUND Advertisement The Presidential Election and Other Cool FactsNo Ordinary Time by Doris Kearns GoodwinOther books by Doris Kearns Goodwin O'Reilly added that officers who searched McDermott's work area found ammunition in a cubby hole at his desk and shotguns shells in the trash basket. In McDermott's home, authorities discovered bomb-making magazines; three gallons of nitric acid which can be used to make nitroglycerine in boxes labeled "Danger, do not move"; blasting caps and more ammunition, O'Reilly said. Wearing an orange jail jumpsuit and a bulletproof vest, the manacled McDermott looked around the courtroom frequently as O'Reilly spoke. Defense attorney Kevin Reddington made no argument for bail. He said McDermott had been undergoing psychiatric treatment and asked that McDermott be held where he would be able to continue taking medication. Reddington did not elaborate on his client's condition. After the hearing, McDermott's parents stood next to Reddington but would not give their names. "They are devastated," the attorney said. "They expressed extreme regret and sympathy." POSSIBLE MOTIVE Prosecutors were investigating whether McDermott was upset about the IRS action, Middlesex District Attorney Martha Coakley said Tuesday. She said Edgewater had agreed not to begin taking money from McDermott's paycheck until after the holidays. The amount owed was "a couple thousand" dollars, said a person familiar with the IRS order, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Coakley said the shootings apparently were not random, since the suspect bypassed several people during the rampage. None of the victims was among McDermott's supervisors. SUSPECT HEAVILY ARMED McDermott had an AK-47 rifle, a shotgun and a semi-automatic handgun when police burst into the building and found him sitting silently in the reception area, a body nearby. He made no attempt to shoot police and was described by authorities as "unresponsive." "They made a split-second decision to hold their fire to try to effect an arrest," said Stephen Doherty, the police chief in this city 10 miles north of Boston. Authorities said
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- It is time to go back to the wisdom of the Founders, who wrote a constitution without reference to ethnic or gender groups. They did so in order to render us equal before the nation's system of law. They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ted K flies on wings of high rollers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.msnbc.com/local/boshld/M5176.asp?cp1=1 Ted K flies on wings of high rollers Sen. Edward M. Kennedy often flies corporate or private jets to events, paying first-class fare, a fraction of the actual cost, to the owners. -- Tara Bricking Andrew Miga WASHINGTON, Dec. 26 - Frequent flier Sen. Edward M. Kennedy accepted 11 cut-rate campaign trips over the past two years aboard private jets owned by wealthy backers and companies with key issues before the Senate. KENNEDY (D-MASS.) FLEW corporate jets provided by defense giant Raytheon, a major health insurer and a powerful Texas trial lawyer with a huge stake in bills limiting liability lawsuits. Kennedy, a Herald review of federal campaign records found, also took flights on jets owned by a large labor union and two prominent Boston businessmen, Thomas H. Lee and David Mugar. Under a well-known campaign law loophole, Kennedy was able to use the luxury jets for a fraction of their actual cost - a practice public watchdog groups allege is a backdoor means for special interests to curry favor with politicians. The difference for a cross-country jaunt can easily run into tens of thousands of dollars since executive jet charters can cost upward of $3,000 per hour, according to industry sources. "It's a huge help to the candidate - a favor that these companies hope the candidate will remember," said Stephen Weiss of the non- partisan watchdog group, Center for Responsive Politics. "The average working person certainly can't do it." The senior senator, who spends considerable time campaigning nationwide on behalf of fellow Democrats, said he only uses the private aircraft as a last resort to meet the demands of his busy Senate schedule. "In certain situations Senator Kennedy's participation in events would not be possible without the use of private planes," said Kennedy spokesman Will Keyser. "He's used privately owned planes when commercial flights could not meet the needs of his schedule." Kennedy's office, like those of many other senior members of Congress, keeps a list of familiar corporate and private jet owners for its scheduling needs. During a western fund-raising swing last year, Kennedy hitched a ride aboard a jet provided by prominent trial lawyer John Eddie Williams Jr., whose successful Houston firm has been a leader in the high-stakes tort reform fight on Capitol Hill. The firm funneled an eye-popping $250,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in April as key bills limiting lawsuits headed to the Senate floor. Kennedy, like many other Democrats, has sided with trial lawyers in the fight. Trial lawyers fighting Republican efforts to curb lawsuits have been among the biggest donors to Democrats this past election season. American Family Life Assurance Co.'s Falcon 50 jet ferried Kennedy, a Senate leader on health care reform, to a Southeastern Massachusetts economic summit in 1999. AFLAC waged a major lobbying battle in Congress to sell cancer insurance. When Kennedy needed an early-morning flight from D.C. to his family's Hyannisport compound for a "60 Minutes II" interview April 20, the International Union of Bricklayers made its jet available. Two days later, records show, Massachusetts-based Raytheon's executive jet whisked Kennedy from D.C. to a speech at Boston's Suffolk University. "We had the flexibility to provide the jet to accommodate the senator," said Raytheon spokeswoman Amy Hosmer, noting the company abides strictly by Senate ethics rules for the flights. Raytheon, the Bricklayers, the trial lawyers and AFLAC each run strong lobbying efforts on Capitol Hill seeking to sway influential lawmakers, including Kennedy, on major issues. But Keyser said: "Senator Kennedy's record is unaffected by these trips. His agenda has been clear and consistent for decades. Nothing changes that." A campaign law loophole allows politicians to solicit and accept flights aboard private and corporate jets as long as they pay the equivalent first-class commercial fare - a small fraction of what the flights are actually worth. The law essentially allows wealthy contributors, corporations and other special interests to subsidize campaign travel, a practice that watchdog groups sharply criticize as a de facto campaign contribution. The Center for Responsive Politics considers the practice "one of the biggest scams in Washington," noting many lawmakers take full advantage of the loophole. The non-partisan Campaign Study Group, in a study last May, found Kennedy's $18,730 spending on private jets since 1995 was second in the Senate only to Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), who paid $101,029. Candidates turning to private jets avoid the hassles and mind- boggling delays plaguing the traveling public, enjoying the luxury touches such as oversized seats, faxes and phones featured on
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:20, Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It is time to go back to the wisdom of the Founders, who wrote a constitution without reference to ethnic or gender groups. They did so in order to render us equal before the nation's system of law. They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. That is because the northern non-slaveholding states feared that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. -- No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution a nd 22 more times in the Bill of Rights. - Edmund A. Opitz A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: THE STATEMENTS OF CAPTIVES WHO SURVIVED THE BAYRAMPASA MASSACRE
- Original Message - From: dhkc bureau To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@smtp.EUnet.yu Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: THE STATEMENTS OF CAPTIVES WHO SURVIVED THE BAYRAMPASA MASSACRE THE TRUTH IS CONTINUING TO BE EXPOSEDTHE STATEMENTS OF CAPTIVES WHO SURVIVED THE BAYRAMPASA MASSACREHello,We witnessed savagery in 16 prisons on December 19, 2000. I want to revealthe massacre, as one of those who witnessed and was subjected to thissavagery. We woke up to the sound of an explosion at around 5 am on December19. One of our friends shouted "Friends! The operation is taking place!" Weall rushed to put our clothes on. When I looked outside from the window Isaw the special military units on the roofs. They were wearing the gas masksand their long-range rifles were directed at the dormitory. Before we putour clothes on, they opened fire at us and we took cover. We soaked all thetowels we could find. Then they started to dig into the ceiling from variousplaces. Meanwhile they were swearing at us. "We came here to kill you," theywere saying. They continued to dig into the ceiling. From outside, from theroofs they were continually throwing blast bombs. After opening severalholes in the ceiling, the bombardment with gas bombs began. We were chokingand trying to gasp for air. While covering our mouths and noses with the wettowels to neutralise the effect of the gas, we were breaking the windows ofour dormitory to get some fresh air. The rain of gas bombs was continuing.We moved from the centre of the dormitory towards the windows to get someair. Some of our friends fainted because of the gas. Those who came to carryout a massacre were continuously shouting through a megaphone, "Surrender,otherwise we will kill you all!" Our reply to this was our marches, slogansand tililis (a Kurdish women's tradition during weddings and funerals: akind of loud trilling noise). Until noon we were continuously having gasbombs and nerve-gas bombs thrown at us. Approximately 700 to 1,000 bombswere thrown at us. We, on the other hand, had nothing to retaliate with. Ourbest response was our marches and slogans. The enemy was belittled withevery passing second. They were continuing to throwing bombs, swearing at usand opening fire from the windows. They opened holes on the ceiling from 10different places and they continuously carried out surprise attacks fromthese holes by using bombs. These bombs were dropped on us and started toburn us. While we were trying to put the fire out, we were also inhalinggas. Meanwhile the special teams tried to land at the exercising area fromthe roofs by using ropes but they could not succeed. They were continuouslythrowing blast bombs and opening fire from the roofs. Since I am a DeathFast fighter my friends were trying to protect me. At around noon theystarted to throw nerve gas and fire bombs at us. Most of us choked and lostconsciousness. The flames started to cover the dormitory. Those who have notfainted yet were continuing to shout slogans and to sing marches. The firespread all over the dormitory. We all moved towards the door, we had to getout. The door could not be opened first. Everywhere was shrouded in smokeand fire. Because of the effect of the gas some of us lost theirconsciousness while attempting to reach the door. I fell too. Some of mycomrades fell over me. I could not breathe and because of the fire it washot. When I caught my breath I stood up with a great effort. I could walkforward a step or two. Then one of my comrades pushed me out of the door.The threshold was as hot as hell. Nothing could be seen because of thesmoke. The fire surrounded us. I barely remember to be pushed outside. Withthe fresh air I gasped. While trying to walk down the stairs my legs weretrembling. Most of my comrades were in the same situation. We were in shockbecause of the nerve gas and we could not realise certain things. When I wasdownstairs some of my comrades were trying to put out the fire on them byusing water. Hair, hands and the backs of most of us were burnt. When one ofour comrades said, "Some of us could not come out, they are still burningupstaýrs", many of our comrades headed towards the stairs. I saw Ebru Dincerwhile sitting on the stairs and fully burnt. She could not speak and herhands, face, hair and most parts of her body were burnt. Then our comradesHacer Arikan, Birsen Kars and Gulizar Kesici were taken out of the flameswith a great effort. There were still some of our comrades inside. GulserTuzcu comrade was on fire at the threshold. Our comrades tried to pull herout but could not succeed. Everyone was running from one place to another.Finally two of our comrades re-entered the dormitory to search for theothers. When they returned empty-handed, their faces, hair and hands wereburnt too. When we went downstairs we noticed that Nilufer, Seyhan, Ozlem,Sefinur and the First Team Death Fast fighter
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Regard$, --MJ If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -- Anatole France A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]
-Caveat Lector- flw Capitalism/ Communism/ Socialism/Fascism are all dependent on State Empowerment. Without the police power of statism, none of these systems can exist. MJ If capitalism is NOT an economic system void of Government intervention ... then what 'word' suits this ideal? Capitalism: You hire me to build a fence on your property to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We sign a contract. I build the fence as directed. You provide the compensation as directed. Where is Government 'depended upon'? Regard$, --MJ The meaning of economic freedom is this: that the individual is in a position to choose the way in which he wants to integrate himself into the totality of society. -- Ludwig von Mises A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:55, Nessie wrote: That was because the northern non-slaveholding states were afraid that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. It doesn't matter why they did it. They did it. Ergo, David Horowitz lied. He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. -- The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. - Henry Ward Beecher A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Meet Your Enemy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/26/00 10:46:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Japanese were the gun, FDR pulled the trigger; FDR was never punished for murdering thousands of men in uniform, not to mention hundreds of civilians. Europe is screwed up; they are always having wars. Why should we have to protect the British? Lessor of two evils. It was that or end up with Bolshevists in charge of Eurasia from one end to the other. It very nearly ended up that way anyhow. Lessor of two evils is bad thinking. That is why we have only the Democrats and Republicans as the "one" party system. Russia was in bad shape at the end of WWII and if we did not join the fray; Russia would have been devastated and not able to push Communism on Eastern Europe by force. Ha! I never claimed to be a woman, then a man, then a woman again. Who said you did? That is what you have claimed since you have been on this list, yet you accuse me of presenting something falsely. I think all politicians are a detriment to mankind, not just FDR. I also think it is necessary to expose the lies of all politicians. That=92s a different matter. Expose away. I=92m all for it. But = that=92s quite a different matter than accusing him of murder. He was commander-in-chief. He could do any damn thing he pleased with his troops. That what commander-in-chief means. Whether this is a good thing or not is also another matter. But good or bad, it is what it is. If he did withhold information that Japan was going to attack then he was a murderer period. The CINC has a responsibility to those under his control and it is not to have them slaughtered needlessly. If his actions were so legal, then why were they kept secret all these decades? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. " - Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Burke is dead wrong. All that it takes is for evil to get there =93firstest with the mostest.=94 Had America=92s fascist tinged = isolationist propaganda machine not kept US troops in the barracks as long as they did, the war would have been over a whole lot quicker. In Spain, in = =9136, for example, had the so-called free world joined the armed resistance to fascism, fascism could have been stopped in its tracks. WWII, as we know it, would never have happened. Intervention would have headed fascism off at the pass. The earlier the intervention the less it would have cost in blood and treasure. But Pelley and Lindbergh and Coughlin and the rest of those scum preached against it, day after day after day. They preached in parks, in stadiums, in churches, in rented halls and on corporate radio. Like saps, the American public let itself be swayed. This is hindsight. The people at the time couldn't necessarily see it coming. Burke is correct, if people had done something about Hitler's rise to power he would have never taken control of the country, but people didn't do anything. But the real blame for WWII should be laid, on the propaganda machine, but on the capitalists who put up the money to make fascism happen in the first place. The American people let them do this, instead of hanging the bastards like they deserved. So it was the responsibility of the American people to undo the wrong. They should have started a whole lot sooner than they did.=20 Read "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy" (author Anthony Sutton) and you will also see that Communism (in Russia) was supported by those with money in the US, but we aren't doing anything about that either. You should also realize that Bush Sr. and Clinton have both helped the military build-up in Red China as well, now that Russia has backed down. I don't necessarily see isolationism as a total detriment. The UN is hyping this so called "free trade" which is anything but. The Europeans should have stopped Hitler from building the German military, but they didn't have the balls to do so. One might say they shouldn't have come down so hard on Germany after WWI, then WWII may never have happened. Hitler did have to be stopped there is no question about that, but it still points to the fact that the US was railroaded into war with Germany by FDR. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. This is faulty logic. It is irrelevant whether Horowitz agrees with me or no. He does not agree with the facts. The Constitution said slaves were less than human. It even specified precisely how less than human they were. That's a fact. Horowitz said the Constitution did not do this. Ergo, Horowitz lied. That "imperfection" of the Constitution is a separate issue. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: RUSSIA, USA: TO NEW CENTURY WITH NEW LEADERS
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - Subject: SN1039:RUSSIA, USA: TO NEW CENTURY WITH NEW LEADERS RIA Novosti - Moscow Diary December 26, 2000 RUSSIA, USA: TO NEW CENTURY WITH NEW LEADERS Professor Alexei BOGATUROV, deputy director of the Institute of USA and Canada Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences The outgoing year marked a threshold in Russia-USA relations. Leaders were replaced in both countries as a result of the presidential elections. Russian President Vladimir Putin has been running the country for almost a year while George Bush is just preparing to replace US President Bill Clinton. The two leaders will start dialogue next year. Either a new model of Russian-US relations will be formed or the old model will be transferred to a new level. It became clear in the past year that both Russia and the United States started to put more emphasis on priorities in national interests. In other words, egocentric tendencies have emerged in their foreign policies. The outgoing US Administration and first Russian President Boris Yeltsin proclaimed worldwide solidarity that did not exist in reality. They pledged adherence to common values and almost internationalism. Both Bush and Putin have made national interests the cornerstone of their policies and are not going to conceal it. Political scientists said that such foreign policy direction would trigger a "head-on collision" between the two leaders and hinder bilateral ties. These apprehensions seem groundless. Quite the contrary, it would be easier for the two relatively young politicians to follow a similar logic and understand each other's motivation. They are likely to reach a consensus. Russia and the United States did not conclude specific agreements this year. However, the Russian parliament ratified the START-2 Treaty. It became a major step in limiting strategic offensive weapons. Considerable difficulties have obstructed the conclusion of the new agreement (START-3). It envisions the lowering of the nuclear arms' ceiling to 1,500-2,000 warheads. The main problem is Washington's intention to deploy the national missile defense system that would violate the 1972 ABM Treaty. Russian officials insist that it would make sense to conclude the START-3 Treaty if the ABM Treaty is strictly complied with. The ABM Treaty was concluded in Moscow and serves as a foundation for strategic stability and security. The Clinton Administration planned to start the deployment of the national missile defense system in 2000. It alleged without grounds that Iran, North Korea and a few other countries posed a nuclear and missile threat. However, the United States did not go ahead with the plan due to Moscow's extremely negative reaction and lack of support from its allies. The Bush Administration will have to deal with this problem. George Bush reiterated his support for the national missile defense program during the electoral campaign. However, campaign promises are one thing and real politics is another. It's hard to say what the new US president will do given his awareness of an unavoidable aggravation in relations with Russia if the system is deployed. Washington could not help but notice the fact that Moscow has pursued a more precise and consistent policy since Putin came to power. The Kremlin demonstrated its readiness to start constructive dialogue with the White House. However, it will not ignore sharp differences or tone down contradictions or make unreasonable concessions as it happened in the early nineties. The Moscow-NATO relations that are in effect part of the Russian-US ties have proved this. Moscow expressed principled disagreement with NATO's actions in the Balkans and its association with the Albanian extremists. Russia has warned of the risks involving NATO's eastward expansion. Nevertheless, the Russian leadership has made considerable efforts to normalize relations with NATO and resume contacts this year. Putin and NATO Secretary General George Robertson held talks in Moscow. Russia's economic revival boosted its confidence in dialogue with Washington. While the United States has been enjoying a continuous economic growth for the eighth year, a tendency for an industrial growth has just emerged in Russia. It raised hope in Russians that they had left the worst behind, in the outgoing century. George Bush will probably have to continue repairing the American home that Bill Clinton promised to strengthen. Putin is busy overhauling the far from perfect state mechanism in Russia. Better bilateral relations could help both countries resolve their domestic problems and work together for the sake of peace. Moscow is optimistic about the future. It hopes to obtain US financial assistance provided Washington understands that Russia will not sacrifice its national interests for US or any other loans. The
Re: [CTRL] And the dead shall vote
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/2000 1:18:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: `He was, like, from Cuba,'' Dennard said. Fantastic, and Dennard, who cannot really speak English himself, is from where? It's amazing how Florida is. The dead are voting, and the live ones are turned away. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Meet Your Enemy
-Caveat Lector- Lessor of two evils is bad thinking. That is why we have only the Democrats and Republicans as the "one" party system. We have the system we do because the powers that be control law enforcement and the military. Russia was in bad shape at the end of WWII and if we did not join the fray; Russia would have been devastated and not able to push Communism on Eastern Europe by force. Thats absurd. At the end of WWII Russian occupied most of Eastern Europe by military force. The only reason they did not also occupy Western Europe is because the Yanks and Brits got there first and wouldnt let them. That is what you have claimed since you have been on this list, yet you accuse me of presenting something falsely. I never said any such thing. Im a guy, and have said so repeatedly. Anybody who assumes Im not, just because my handle ends in ie isnt thinking very clearly. If he did withhold information that Japan was going to attack then he was a murderer period. The CINC has a responsibility to those under his control and it is not to have them slaughtered needlessly. If his actions were so legal, then why were they kept secret all these decades? (1.) it wasnt needlessly. (2.) It was kept secret because secrecy is how government works. Read "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy" (author Anthony Sutton) and you will also see that Communism (in Russia) was supported by those with money in the US, but we aren't doing anything about that either. This is true. Its also a separate issue. Lets stay on topic. You should also realize that Bush Sr. and Clinton have both helped the military build-up in Red China as well, now that Russia has backed down. I don't necessarily see isolationism as a total detriment. In some situations isolationism is the best strategy. In others, it is not. Today, we ought to pull back, mind our own business and stop bullying the world to make money for corporations. The UN is hyping this so called "free trade" which is anything but. The capitalists are hyping free trade. The UN is their shill. The Europeans should have stopped Hitler from building the German military, but they didn't have the balls to do so. Bullshit. They didnt have the guns. When the Spanish Anarchist militias finally said, enough is enough, and took up arms against the spread of fascism, the so-called free world (especially the Brits) blockaded their access to arms coming by sea. The Fascists, of course, had no problem importing both arms and troops because they controlled the overland route. So in effect, the free world and the fascists united in successful suppression of European resistance to fascism. Read Facts and Fascism by George Seldes. He meticulously recounts the economic motivations of the Brits in this case, especially the Rio Tinto Mining Company. One might say they shouldn't have come down so hard on Germany after WWI, then WWII may never have happened. Indeed. With 20-20 hindsight, it is easy to dismiss as a stupid mistake. It was, however, a calculated move on the part of the Western elites. They knew exactly what they were doing. Hitler did have to be stopped there is no question about that, but it still points to the fact that the US was railroaded into war with Germany by FDR. This is not true. Germany declared war on America. It was their decision, not Americas and not FDRs. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Point to the specific article, section and clause. Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." Regard$, --MJ If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -- Anatole France A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reu: Night Sky Boom Rattles Australians, Baffles Police
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[This is similar (or the same) as the stuff on the STS videos (48
or 54??), when the same stuff happened around Perth a year or so
ago ago. Not only was a pulse taped via a hand held camera from
an orbiting shuttle mission (the camera man was actually AIMING
the camera directly at the coastal area where the pulse was to
originate seconds later --as if they were EXPECTING the pulse),
at an estimated INSTATAINEOUSLY REACHED 60 THOUSAND
MILES-PER-HOUR coming up from the western coast of the continent
(around PINE GAP!!!), but NASA expects us to believe that it was
lightning, and that "an ICE CRYSTAL" in the exact path of this
pulse IMMEDIATELY accelerated so as to INSTANTLY perform
EXTREMELY high velocity evasive maneuvers to dodge the this
pulse, AND THEN, about a second later (after the pulse went off
screen) NASA's "ice crystal" instantly turned again, zipping off
the screen at a similar velocity, i.e., 60K mph! According to
the Perth news papers for the next day, THREE QUARTERS OF A
MILLION PPL in and around Perth were jolted awake by the same
lights and booms ("MUCH louder than thunder"). According to Stan
Dayo, this all occurred at exactly the same instant as the pulse
and UFO were taped from the shuttle! He, and others (Hoagy, et
al.) believe that it was either an SDI test of some type, or a
REAL WAR MANEUVER WITH AN ET CRAFT! Seriously, as outrageous as
this may sound, even NASA's own Physicist/video expert, Bruce
McCabee, claims the "ice crystal" could not be anything BUT some
type of EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENTLY CONTROLLED STUFF ! !
--MS]
http://news.excite.com/news/r/001227/03/science-australia-spacejunk-dc
Night Sky Boom Rattles Australians, Baffles Police
December 27, 2000
SYDNEY, Australia (Reuters) - Australian authorities were baffled
Wednesday by overnight reports of bright lights and booming
noises in the sky which shook some houses and prompted fears of
falling space junk or meteorites. Police said they received
numerous reports of "explosions in the sky, sonic boom-type
noises and flare-type lights" over a two hour period Tuesday
night from residents along a 124-mile stretch of the country's
east coast.
"There was a huge bang which shook my house," one resident of
Bateman's Bay, 177 miles south of Sydney, told Australian
Broadcasting Corp. radio.
"I thought the house next door had blown up," he said.
Police said they had contacted meteorology, air safety,
emergency, and defense experts, but were unable to come up with
any official reason behind the unusual night sky action.
A number of small grass fires were also sparked around the nearby
capital of Canberra at about the same time, they said.
"No debris has been found," a police spokesman told Reuters.
The noise and lights prompted fears the accident prone Mir Space
station could be making an uncontrolled return to earth after
Russian space officials lost contact with the 130-ton craft for
24 hours until late Tuesday.
The craft, which remains safe in orbit, is to be dumped in the
Pacific Ocean, 900 to 1,200 miles off Australia, in late
February.
Australia's Deep Space Communications Complex said a small
meteorite was the most likely explanation for the sightings.
"That would cause a sonic boom and would also cause some good
flares around it," operations supervisor Ian Warren told domestic
news agency Australian Associated Press.
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 December 2000 22:06 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill three fifths of all other Persons." so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." Regard$, --MJ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Ashcroft hailed Confederates as patriots
Knew there was something I liked about this guy..only John Wilkes Booth was one of my heros.Lincoln was a vicious, sadistic killer and only equaled by Sherman in hatred of the Gentry, who also landed Saba John Ashcroft Ashcroft hailed Confederates as 'patriots' Democrats mine past interviews of attorney general-designate ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON, Dec. 27 Sen. John Ashcroft, President-elect Bush's choice to be America's top law enforcement officer, once hailed Confederate war heroes as "patriots" and suggested they shouldn't be portrayed as having died for "some perverted agenda." Democrats and critics have made clear they intend to make Ashcroft's civil rights record an issue. THE MISSOURI REPUBLICAN, tapped to be the next attorney general, also has advocated an increased role for charities while opposing federal money for drug treatment, saying government assistance shouldn't further the "lowest and least" conduct. And a decade ago he refused to sign a presidential panel's report that concluded America was falling behind in efforts to bring equality to minorities, calling it too negative. As his soon-to-be former colleagues in the Senate prepare for Ashcroft's confirmation hearings, the GOP senator's conservative speeches, writings and interviews are being scrutinized for what they may foreshadow of his views as attorney general. Democrats and critics have made clear they intend to make Ashcroft's civil rights record an issue. 'REVISIONIST NONSENSE' His record shows he vigorously sought to end abortions, advocated a larger role for charities, pushed amendments that would permanently alter the Constitution for various conservative causes and sent what critics say is a mixed message on race and poverty issues. In a 1998 interview, Ashcroft criticized efforts by some historians to portray early Americans, like slave-owning George Washington, as racist, calling them "malicious attacks" and "revisionist nonsense." "Your magazine also helps set the record straight," Ashcroft told the Southern Partisan, a two-decade-old periodical that has published articles defending Confederate soldiers and political figures and once sold a T-shirt commemorating Abraham Lincoln with the phrase his assassin uttered, "Thus always to tyrants." Advertisement The Presidential Election and Other Cool FactsNo Ordinary Time by Doris Kearns GoodwinOther books by Doris Kearns Goodwin "You've got a heritage of ... defending Southern patriots like (Gen. Robert E.) Lee, (Gen. Stonewall) Jackson and (Confederate President Jefferson) Davis," Ashcroft said in an interview. At the time, he was courting conservatives for a possible presidential candidacy. "We've all got to stand up and speak in this respect or else we'll be taught that these people were giving their lives, subscribing their sacred fortunes and their honor to some perverted agenda," he added. Juleanna Glover Weiss, a spokeswoman for Bush's transition, said Ashcroft's comments reflected that he "believes in an exact reading on history." "He holds sacred the legacies of Jefferson, Washington and Martin Luther King," she said. "Senator Ashcroft's favorite historical figure is Abraham Lincoln. He has been an avid student of history." She added, "he will be an exceptionally strong enforcer of the civil rights laws as he has been a proponent in Missouri and throughout his career." As Missouri governor from 1985 to 1993, Ashcroft signed into law a state holiday honoring Martin Luther King Jr., the slain civil rights leader; established musician Scott Joplin's house as Missouri's only historic site honoring a black person; created an award honoring black educator George Washington Carver; named a black woman to a state judgeship; and led a fight to save Lincoln University, which was founded by black soldiers. And when he considered becoming Republican Party chairman in 1993, he urged Republicans to be "tolerant" and to avoid being "mistakenly portrayed as petty, divisive and mean-spirited." But in 1988, when former President George Bush appointed Ashcroft to a federal commission to study the plight of minorities in America, he refused to sign the panel's final report. That report concluded that the nation was slipping in its efforts to achieve equality for blacks, Hispanics and Indians and that many minorities were "afflicted by the ills of poverty and deprivation." Ashcroft was one of only two people on the 40-member panel, which included former presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and King's widow, Coretta, to refuse to endorse the findings. Ashcroft's office said at the time that he believed the report's portrayal of minorities was too negative and that its "generalizations about setbacks in progress are overly broad and counterproductive." Weiss said Ashcroft was instrumental in getting the panel created
[CTRL] The Bohemian Grove club: America's ruling elite at work and play
The Bohemian Grove club: America's ruling elite at work and play http://wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/bohe-d27_prn.shtml By Richard Tyler 27 December 2000 The World Socialist Web Site has noted the political and personal bonds linking members of the US Supreme Court with the incoming Republican administration (see: “Family ties, political bias linked US Supreme Court justices to Bush camp” http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/sup-d22.shtml). It is also worth noting that several of the justices, or their spouses, share another common bond with the Bush camp—participation in the activities of the highly secretive Bohemian Grove club. Every year since 1879, the club holds its two-week Annual Summer Encampment, dubbed by President Herbert Hoover “the greatest men's party on earth.” The gathering takes place on the exclusive 2,700-acre Bohemian Grove in Monte Rio, about 70 miles north of San Francisco, California. Club membership, which is open only to males, is estimated at 2,700. Those belonging have included every Republican president since Calvin Coolidge, as well as a smaller number of Democratic presidents. The club mixes top-level politicians with the extremely wealthy, including the CEOs of many Fortune 500 corporations and global financial institutions. Many of the interests represented in the club membership are subsidized by lucrative government contracts, including the military, oil, banking, the utilities and the media. A list of members reads like a veritable “Who's Who” of the American ruling elite. It includes former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and George Shultz; S.D. Bechtel Jr., who heads the family-owned global engineering and construction corporation; Thomas Watson Jr. from IBM; Ralph Bailey of Dupont; former president George Bush; A.W. Clausen of the World Bank; CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite; and William F. Buckley, editor-in-chief of the conservative National Review magazine. The club mixes extended bouts of eating and drinking with “artistic” pursuits—staging plays written and performed by members—along with mock “pagan” rituals. The annual gathering starts with the “Cremation of Care” ritual, the burning of an effigy of the club's mascot as members stand chanting in their red-hooded robes before the base of a 40-foot stone owl altar. The “Lakeside Talks” held as part of the gathering offer the members an opportunity to hear lectures on a variety of topics, usually including several on contemporary political issues. It is said that the Manhattan Project, responsible for building the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima, was conceived at the Grove in 1942. A brief listing of the topics discussed in recent years indicates the general tenor of the talks: In 1997 the president of the American Enterprise Institute, Christopher DeMuth, delivered a lecture entitled, “The Triumph of the Market and the Politics of Affluence.” The same year, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who played an instrumental role in handing George W. Bush the presidency earlier this month, spoke on “Church, State and the Constitution.” The next year, James A. Baker, former secretary of state under Bush senior and head of George W's legal challenge in Florida, expounded upon “The Imperative of American Leadership”. William Perry, the former secretary of defense under Clinton, outlined a “Preventative Defense and American Security Strategy for the 21st Century.” The 1999 lecture programme seems somewhat prophetic in light of the successful Republican effort to steal the 2000 presidential election. Washington Post political correspondent David Broder spoke about “Direct Democracy—Curse or Blessing.” He shared the lecture programme with General Colin Powell (“America's Promise—Leading Armies and Leading Kids”) and Walter Hussman, publisher of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette (“Lying, Cheating, Stealing in the Media”). Those who attended the 1999 gathering were said to include George Bush senior, together with his sons, George W. and Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida. Also present were Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell and Newt Gingrich. This year's Bohemian Grove gathering saw the return of George Bush the father, together with his former secretary of defense and now vice-president-elect, Richard Cheney. According to the New York Times, US Supreme Court Justice Sandra O'Connor's husband has also participated in the activities of the Bohemian Grove. One does not have to subscribe to an outlandish conspiracy theory to imagine a conversation among the California redwoods beginning, “Now, gentlemen, I want to ask what you can do to help my son become the 43rd President...”
[CTRL] Constantine-Dr. George Rupp, President of Columbia University -- Fascism, Money
http://www.newsmakingnews.com Dr. George Rupp, President of Columbia University -- Fascism, Money Laundering (and the CIA, too) By Alex Constantine Copyright, 2000 The 1988 issue of Louis Rukeyser's Business Almanac reports, "the largest fines for money laundering came in 1986," the occasion of this record-breaking event being the federal audit of Texas Commerce Bank of Houston, "hit with $1.9 million in civil fines for not reporting cash transactions." Dr. George Rupp, a director of the bank, also then president of Rice University, sat on the board of the Panhandle Eastern Corporation in Houston, a holding company for the state's natural gas industry. Robert Mosbacher, former President Bush's Commerce Secretary, served with Rupp on the board of Texas Commerce Bank -- an institution controlled throughout the1900s by the family of James Baker III, President Bush, Sr.'s secretary of state and a partner in Baker Botts, a law firm that largely serves Morgan-Rockefeller interests. Linda Minor, a Houston-area attorney and student of the city's commercial history, informs us that the Bakers "formed one of the component banks that later merged into Texas Commerce -- for a client of his, Hugh Hamilton, who appeared to be a front from Scottish distilling interests. The Baker law firm always acted on behalf of clients and used other people's money to gain power for themselves. Their major clients were the Union Pacific, Southern Pacific and even the Missouri Pacific Railroads. They also were very into representation of power companies. Baker Botts was actually the attorneys for the 'Octopus' from its first days." The 1994 Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia offers this capsule bio of Dr. George Erik Rupp: "1942, American educator and theologian, b. Summit, N.J. He studied in Germany before graduating from Princeton Univ. He earned a B.D. degree from Yale Univ. and a doctorate from Harvard. A Presbyterian minister, he has spent most of his career in the field of higher education. After serving as vice chancellor of the Univ. of Redlands, Redlands, Calif., he taught at the Harvard Divinity School, was Dean of Academic Affairs at the Univ. of Wisconsin at Green Bay, and became president of Rice Univ. in 1985 [Note: Rice was founded by the grandfather of James Baker III, Captain James A. Baker -- originally intended as a world center for the study of the fascist-style eugenics, all the rage at the turn of the century]. He was named president of Columbia Univ. in 1993. He is the author of Commitment and Community (1989)." The "Enemy Alien" Chair at Rice University. Everybody knows the war is over, Everybody knows the good guys lost... -- Leonard Cohen Dr. Rupp could be counted on to "keep the secrets" at Rice U. There were others. There was, for instance, Franz Brotzen, the mysterious presence at Rice -- an "enemy alien," according to the draft board -- who got along famously with the "prickly" career college president, as reported in the Rice University Weekly (April 27, 1995), a story that chronicles the rise of a well-respected spy from Nazi Germany: Spy Questions To Classroom Lessons Mark Brotzen's Life By Meg Langner, Rice News Correspondent In early 1945, Franz Brotzen, now a Rice University professor emeritus, was a U.S. military officer charged with helping to organize the once-powerful Nazi spy network in the Soviet Union into a resource for the United States. The German high command knew the war would soon end. They expected no mercy from the Soviets but hoped to be punished less severely when they surrendered to the Americans, said Brotzen, the Stanley Moore Professor Emeritus of Materials Science. The United States knew very little about the Soviet Union at that time, he said, and when the Allies won the war, the Nazis decided to turn over to the United States their intelligence on the Soviets. During the war, Germany controlled large spy networks within the U.S.S.R., but as the Nazis retreated before the Soviet forces, the system fell into disarray, Brotzen said. Brotzen, along with three other American intelligence officers, was sent into Germany following the surrender of the Nazis, where he lived for six months interviewing former-Nazi officers who had served on the Eastern front. He fulfilled the American government's request for information on the Soviet Union by figuring out how facts could best be obtained. "That was quite an exciting time, sort of a little bit out of spy novels," he said. Brontzen left Germany for Brazil and eventually settled in at Rice University to conduct research in materials science. Brotzen, born in Berlin, graduated from the gymnasium during the depression and landed a job with I.G. Farben, the chemical monopoly that manufactured poison gas for the "Solution," made extensive use of slave labor, etc. Farben maintained symbiotic
[CTRL] The Bush-Florida-Cuba connection
The Bush-Florida-Cuba connection By Larry Chin http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin122700/chin122700.html December 27, 2000 | On November 22, a violent Republican-sanctioned mob shut down the Miami-Dade canvassing board, stopping a decisive ballot recount, and snuffing out Al Gore's chances for victory.This incident, which was instrumental in seizing the American presidency for George W. Bush, was not (as most media accounts suggest) merely the work of [Tom] DeLay congressional aides and angry pro-Bush protestors.In fact, the true intimidation came at the hands of hundreds of militant right-wing Cuban operatives. It is important to note that the recount shutdown was the latest chapter of an alliance between the Bush family, right-wing anti-Castro Cubans, Florida-based covert operatives and extreme elements of the Republican party that has persisted for nearly half a century. 1953. CIA operative George Herbert Walker Bush founds Zapata Petroleum in Texas. Its subsidiary, Zapata Offshore is used as a CIA front. Initiating his career-long foray into Latin American shadow politics, Bush establishes ties with CIA operative and narco-trafficker Manuel Noriega of Panama (later its dictator). 1960–1961. Bay of Pigs. Bush and fellow CIA operative Felix Rodriguez organize and train Cuban exiles in Florida and across the Gulf region for an invasion of Cuba, and the assassination of Fidel Castro, with assistance from elements of the Mafia (based in Florida). President John F. Kennedy pulls the plug on the operation, infuriating the Cubans, the CIA, the mob, and Bush. 1963. JFK is assassinated in Dallas. The involvement of Cubans, CIA operatives in Florida (Felix Rodriguez), and the questionable activities of Bush, Richard Nixon, Texas oil moguls and Texas politicians during the period, are detailed by numerous assassination researchers. J. Edgar Hoover interviews a "George Bush of the CIA" regarding "anti-Castro exile reaction" to the murder. 1968–1973. With Richard Nixon in the White House, Antonin Scalia in charge of the White House communications office, and George H.W. Bush heading the Republican National Committee, the Republicans maintain close ties to right-wing Florida Cubans. Bebe Rebozo, a prominent Florida Cuban with intelligence ties, is a close friend of Nixon. In 1971, journalist Ken Collier calls on Nixon to investigate 1970 Florida election fraud by Republicans. Scalia persuades Nixon to remain silent, Collier alleges. 1973. The Watergate Break-In is conducted by anti-Castro Cubans and CIA agents tied to the Bay of Pigs: Rodriguez, Bernard Barker (former Cuban secret police), Frank Sturgis, E. Howard Hunt, and Eugenio Rolando Martinez. Nixon tapes reveal that the objective is to hide evidence regarding "Dallas" and "the Bay of Pigs thing." Bush assists Nixon in the coverup, and the stonewalling of the Congress. * 1976. CIA Director George H.W. Bush stonewalls Congress regarding the aerial bombing of a Cubana Airline jet and a car bomb slaying of a Chilean diplomat. Anti-Castro Cubans are arrested, including Luis Carriles. Carriles' immediate superior is Felix Rodriguez (who boasts to have assassinated Che Guevara).During the Bush CIA years, the loyal Rodriguez is involved with the Phoenix program, Air America, and heroin smuggling in Southeast Asia. 1982–1986. Iran-Contra. With Vice President Bush "in the loop" with CIA Director William Casey and other members of the Reagan "firewall," Felix Rodriguez coordinates the contra resupply program in El Salvador under Oliver North. In Senate testimony, Rodriguez alleges to have passed ten million dollars to the contras from the Colombian Medellin cocaine cartel. In Florida, Jeb Bush (the head of the Dade County Republican Party) operates as the Republican administration's unofficial link with Cubans, the contras and Nicaraguan exiles in Miami. During this period, Jeb aligns with Leonel Martinez, a Miami-based right-wing Cuban-American drug trafficker associated with contra dissident Eden Pastora. Jeb forges business ties with contra supporter Miguel Recarey, a right-wing Cuban, and major contributor to PACs controlled by then-Vice President Bush.Florida-based drug-running fronts funnel US government funds as humanitarian aid to the contras. Senator John Kerry investigates Miami-based Ocean Hunter, one of many Florida-based drug-running fronts, and discovers $200,000 channeled south. 1986. Reagan appoints Antonin Scalia to the Supreme Court. At his confirmation hearing, Ken and James Collier accuse Scalia of sandbagging their lawsuits against the Republican National Committee for election fraud in Florida. 1988–1992. With George H.W. Bush as president, the US invades Panama, toppling former CIA ally, contra compatriot and narco trafficker Manuel Noriega. Cuban operatives assist. As a link to that powerful and wealthy South Florida community, Jeb remains a tireless supporter of reactionary Cuban-American political
[CTRL] Fwd: Charlie Cook's Off To The Races 12/27/00
Because Charlie Cook has this week off, the National Journal Group brings you the latest edition of "On The Trail," by Hotline Editor Chuck Todd. "Off To The Races" will return next week. Please pass on the following URL to any friends or colleagues who may be interested in receiving Charlie's FREE weekly newsletter: http://nationaljournal.com/about/cookcolumn.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ON THE TRAIL O-Four! Among the many delays caused by the drawn-out election was the start of the 2004 presidential campaign. Normally, the first potential candidates begin to hit Iowa and New Hampshire just one month following the previous November election. Whether Gore is in or out, here is a look at the likely Dem favorites for WH 2004. Obviously, this election postponed those travels, but look for early ventures to these two states by prospecting Democrats in the first few months of next year. As for the prospective '04 field, it could be as large as any "open" field for the Democratic nod we've seen in the television era. And despite his bump from the concession speech, don't assume Al Gore is the field's 800-pound gorilla. Even if Gore is the perceived front-runner going into the primary season, all one needs to do is look at the GOP campaign of 2000 for evidence of a slew of ambitious pols unafraid of bulging poll numbers. But will Gore run? While history tells us that presidential candidates who come as close as Gore came to the White House usually run again, history may not be a good guide. There are already many questions as to whether the institutional support Gore had as VP this cycle will be there for him in '04. There are many activist Democrats who, while supportive of the VP in his Florida plight, also believe the election never should have been so close. These folks believe Gore should have won in a runaway. And if Gore does not have that institutional support, how motivated will he be to make another run? This last cycle, Gore was able to run using Air Force II and VP limos. Will he and Tipper really want to go back to flying commercial and riding in minivans? So while we don't completely write off Gore, we are not ready to hand him the nomination. And neither are a slew of Democrats. Let's look at the likely field: Dick Gephardt, D-Mo. -- Other than Gore and a certain Clinton spouse, there probably is not a better nationally known Democratic officeholder than Gephardt. As his one-time media consultant from Gephardt's '88 presidential race noted recently, there is no other Democrat who has been in more living rooms across this country than the House Democratic leader. And while it is too early to declare a front-runner for the nomination (due to the looming presence of Gore), Gephardt is probably the early "institutional" frontrunner. Should he succeed in winning back the House for Democrats in '02, Gephardt would easily have labor on his side, and as we've seen in Democratic primary fights of the past, labor can easily trump money or name recognition. Labor has compromised the last three presidential cycles, something they are probably getting tired of, so if Gephardt does run, look for labor to quickly second the candidacy. More importantly, Gephardt has another powerful ally, incoming DNC chair Terry McAuliffe. While McAuliffe has sworn allegiance to no one for '04, most insiders view him as an old Gephardt guy who would side with him. John Kerry, D-Mass. -- Blessed with the initials "JFK," the junior senator from Massachusetts appears to be in the mode of waking up every day and asking himself, "What can I do today that will help me become president?" Viewed by some as a lightweight early in his Senate career, Kerry has established himself as one of the leaders of his party. His standing with Democrats was drastically enhanced in '96 when he handily defeated then-GOP Gov. Bill Weld in Kerry's re-election bid. While he toyed with running this year, Kerry was smart enough to realize that Gore had too many institutional advantages to overcome. And though on style points Kerry could have upstaged Gore, he could never crack that air of inevitability. For 2004, however, it is a whole new ballgame. Should Gephardt end up as the party's institutional front-runner (a la George W. Bush in 2000), look for Vietnam Vet Kerry to play the part of John McCain. One ace in the hole Kerry has that McCain did not: his wife, Teresa Heinz, and her multi-million dollar ketchup fortune. Should he decide to forego the fund-raising route and fund his own campaign, it could be hard to stop Kerry. Gray Davis, D-Calif. -- Priority No. 1 for the party's most powerful gov? Take care of California's energy crisis, which is leaving some residents in the dark -- on purpose -- some days. The Golden State is currently feeling the pains of utility deregulation. We can picture the '02 ads now against Davis: a flashing "12:00" on a VCR clock with a voice-over: "Are you tired of re-setting your clock due to unscheduled
[CTRL] Movement demands pardon for Peltier
- Via Workers World News Service Reprinted from the Dec. 28, 2000 issue of Workers World newspaper - FBI pressures Clinton as Movement demands pardon for Peltier By John Catalinotto On Dec. 15, a group of 500 active and retired FBI agents ignored both their constitutional role and human decency to march on the White House. They complained about the fact that President Bill Clinton would even consider pardoning American Indian Movement warrior Leonard Peltier. Marching silently with their short haircuts and business suits, the agents were an ugly sight to anyone who understands their role in repressing the progressive movement in the United States. For New Yorkers, the action directed against the lame-duck president had the same taste of fascism as the cop demonstration against then-Mayor David Dinkins during his last year in office. Since the 1975 FBI attack on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota, the agency has been involved in other widely publicized attacks on people or groups on questionable grounds. The most deadly was the armed FBI assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, in 1993. There the FBI took revenge for the shooting deaths of four Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents, launching a siege that ended in the deaths of 86 adults and children. Peltier has been in jail nearly 25 years for allegedly killing two FBI agents in 1975. The FBI members had been part of an armed attack on the Native community at the time, and hadn't even identified themselves as federal agents. The incident occurred during the "Pine Ridge Reign of Terror" of 1973-76, when more than 60 members and supporters of the American Indian Movement were killed. Peltier was part of a group of AIM activists trying to defend their people. The federal prosecutor in Peltier's case has admitted that he doesn't know who killed the agents. Two others charged with the killing of the FBI agents were tried separately and acquitted on grounds of self-defense. Peltier remains in prison. His health is deteriorating. His best hope for release is executive clemency, so the support movement has focused its attention on Clinton. Peltier is the only Pine Ridge defender the FBI has been able to get imprisoned, and the agency seems determined to take out its vengeance on the Native leader. Media's reluctant coverage When thousands demonstrated Dec. 10 in New York demanding clemency for Peltier, the corporate media gave the event no coverage. The FBI's action, on the contrary, got lots of air time and newspaper space. The only bright side of this was that Peltier's defenders took advantage of the attention to fight publicly for their client. Jennifer Harbury, one of Peltier's attorneys, spoke forcefully to millions both through the newspapers and by debating an FBI spokesperson on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Mr. Peltier has been in prison for 25 years. He is way overdue for parole," Harbury said. "He has been receiving human-rights awards for the good deeds he has done behind bars, for his massive humanitarian efforts, and he is in failing health." Harbury called on FBI Director Louis Freeh and Attorney General Janet Reno to open an investigation into the case. "Even the United States attorney admits no one knows who killed that FBI agent, who fired those fatal shots," Harbury said. "The woman who claims to have witnessed the killing later admitted she signed those affidavits only after the FBI threatened to take away her children. The FBI ballistics test showing that the bullet could not have come from Mr. Peltier's gun was concealed from the jury and also from the defense." Freeh, overstepping his constitutional role, wrote a letter to Clinton complaining that the president would consider Peltier for clemency. When he made the letter public, this drew a protest from Janet Reno. Peltier's defenders have organized a popular call-in campaign to the president. The FBI has held its own campaign--with the pressures only a police agency can bring--to try and keep him in prison. Readers can call the White House at 202-456- to demand that President Clinton grant executive clemency to Leonard Peltier. - END - (Copyleft Workers World Service: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this document, but changing it is not allowed. For more information contact Workers World, 55 W. 17 St., NY, NY 10011; via e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For subscription info send message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Web: http://www.workers.org)
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." It uses a euphamism, "those bound to Service," but so what? Bound is bound no matter what you call it. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." c. so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of its simplicity ... For mathematical purposes ... The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so allotted. State One has 200 persons State Two has 160 persons plus 67 persons that fit the description. State One receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 25 persons State Two receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 28 persons Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Regard$, --MJ Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYP: MediaWatch: THE FOURTH ESTATE CRIES 'VETO!'
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/18922.htm MEDIA WATCH: THE FOURTH ESTATE CRIES VETO!' Wednesday, December 27,2000 SOUND the alarm! The battle to bork Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft is on - and the mainstream media already are pitching in with their best shots to kill the nomination. Nearly all the coverage of Ashcroft's selection by President-elect George W. Bush stressed his opposition to abortion - but none as misleadingly as did The New York Times last Friday. As Ira Stoll of smartertimes.com notes, the Times ran a quote from Ashcroft, under the heading "On Abortion," that was lifted from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of April 30, 1999. In it, he decries "this gruesome procedure" and says that Congress and a majority of Americans want it eliminated. But the original story makes clear that Ashcroft was referring specifically to partial-birth abortion - a procedure that a majority of Americans do indeed oppose, as does the American Medical Association. The line came from a speech in the Senate, in which Ashcroft added: "I realize, however, that not everyone agrees with my view of abortion. Indeed, I recognize that the American people remain deeply divided on the issue. But where there is common ground, we need to move forward and protect life." Needless to say, none of those inclusive remarks were quoted by the Times. Why? In fact, asks Stoll, why did the Times quote the remarks from the Post-Dispatch - which itself was quoting a full speech available on numerous electronic databases? As for the TV networks, anchors and reporters were marching full steam ahead to depict Ashcroft - whom they had widely praised for his dignified refusal to contest his re-election defeat by the late Mel Carnahan - as the sidekick of Attila the Hun. "Anti-abortion groups and the self-described Religious Right could not be happier," declared CBS's Dan Rather. He then tossed the story to John Roberts, who labelled Ashcroft "the darling of the Republican right" and allowed opponents to declare, without rebuttal, that the nomination was "an insult to every American." ABC's Mike Von Fremd warned that this "controversial" nomination "troubles most Democratic constituencies," then ran back-to-back interviews with Democratic interest-group officials, who called Ashcroft "one of the most divisive he could have chosen." All that was missing was a talking head shaking his head in sorrow and intoning, "That's not the kind of man Al Gore would have chosen." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? If you don't get it, maybe it's because you don't want to. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- MJ Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Nessie If you don't get it, maybe it's because you don't want to. MJ Get what? The words quoted do NOT support this absurdity. The reference is simply a formula for determining Representatives -- nothing more. Regard$, --MJ Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor (from Murphy's Laws) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President
-Caveat Lector- I am glad you clarified that, Jayson, as even in jest, it is illegal to threaten a presidential party. I am sure you are aware of this and with the eyes/ears on this list, it is not a good thing to do. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Jayson R. Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:55 -0800 Birds [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone acceptable? Jayson, with a good supply of ammo. I see you agree! Birds Private Mail Welcome While I do not advocate anyone shooting these people, I have no objection to their self removal from the gene pool. I would be willing to supply the ammo if they gave me written assurances as to the ultimate end use. Jayson Just being helpfull;) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Preparing for the Terrorist Threat
-Caveat Lector- Jayson You are not surprised that it is the Republicans because you are looking for that because it is your own personal belief. Under the guise of Executive Orders, the Clinton administration has taken away a tremendous amount of personal freedom. And don't forget all those things done "for the children" during the past 8 years. This is a bipartisan grab of personal rights and freedoms but the Democrats have been in office most recently, promoting everything from the Brady Bill II to Waco. Republicans are hardly leading the charge. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Jayson R. Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Preparing for the Terrorist groups. Now why am I not surprised that it is the Republicans leading the charge to take away more of our rights and freedoms? They are good at creating a 'boogyman' and then whipping up public sentiment to demand more of our rights and freedoms be taken away. What is it with today's list offerings? Almost every one seems to be glaring examples of our continual loss of rights and freedoms. Is it just me or are others seeing an escalation of the attacks on the Constitution "for our own good"? Jayson (Too much coffee???) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Mentally Ill Homeless In Phoenix, AZ
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, Some of us are old enough to remember that it was the Kennedy brothers who suddenly "discovered" that the mentally ill have "civil rights" including the right not to take medication nor be held against their will. These people were on the streets long before Regan was in office! I remember seeing them in Chicago for the first time while there on business in the very early 70's. Nice try, though, as lots of people are actually too young to remember and if you can blame something on the Republicans, even if they did not do it, that is the name of the game. Amelia - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "Mentally Ill" Homeless In Phoenix, AZ -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: Until Ronald Reagan decided that these folks should not be supported by the state or allowed to stay in state institutions, the majority were not homeless. They were not always treated as I might wish, but then they don't do better on the street. If the conditions from which they suffer are caused by "Mind Control" or some other factor is not particularly important. The hell it's not! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Shalala won't implement prescription drug law
-Caveat Lector- Shalala won't implement prescription drug law By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON The Associated Press 12/27/00 1:48 AM WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new law aimed at cutting prescription drug prices by allowing them to be reimported from Canada won't be implemented by Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala. In a letter Tuesday to President Clinton, Shalala said the law had "serious flaws and loopholes." Those concerns "make it impossible for me to demonstrate that it is safe and cost effective," she wrote. "As such, I cannot sanction the allocation of taxpayer dollars to implement such a system." Signed by President Clinton before Election Day, the law was an attempt to address the clamor for cheaper prescription drugs -- particularly among the elderly. Lawmakers were unable to agree on a more sweeping plan to add prescription drug coverage to Medicare. Drugs manufactured in the United States can be purchased for much less in Canada, principally because the government regulates prices, a solution fiercely resisted here. For example, the allergy-sinus medication Flonase Nasal costs $46 in the United States, but just $23 in Canada. Likewise, 45 pills of the anti-depressant Prozac can cost about $106 in the United States and $43 in Canada. The law was vigorously opposed by the pharmaceutical industry and Democratic critics called it a Band-Aid fix for the country's troubles with prescription drug prices, manufactured to give political cover to those who opposed broader solutions. Shalala was directed by the legislation to review the law and determine whether it was cost effective and safe. Shalala said she would not request $23 million available to establish a system for overseeing the importation of drugs from Canada. She argued that the law raises safety issues because there's no guarantee that imported drugs will carry labels approved by the Food and Drug Administration. And she complained that the law did nothing to keep drug manufacturers from strong-arming distributors into raising prices on imported drugs. But Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., a co-author of the legislation, said the administration simply "chickened out." "The best approach would have been to say, we'll pass a law that does something and then we will wait and see how the drug companies react," Dorgan said. "If they start playing games then at least we'll all know who the villain is. But this makes no sense at all. Now we know the drug companies will do nothing because we're doing nothing." Chris Jennings, Clinton's top health policy aide, said Shalala's stinging assessment was on target. "We have an obligation not to raise hopes with false promises," he said. "There are loopholes that allow the intent of the legislation to be completely thwarted." Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] : Bush may pursue more activist Colombia policy
-Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON TODAY: Bush may pursue more activist Colombia policy By GEORGE GEDDA The Associated Press 12/27/00 1:31 AM WASHINGTON (AP) -- A hallmark of the Clinton administration's military commitment to Colombia has been to help Colombian officials curb narcotraffickers while staying out of the country's long-running civil war. President-elect George Bush may not be as fussy about drawing such distinctions. He could face a collision with Democrats over Colombia policy. Under President Clinton's rules of engagement, leftist guerrillas are fair game if they are part of the drug trafficking infrastructure, but U.S. helicopters and other assistance should not otherwise be used against the rebels. As Clinton sees it, drug trafficking poses a threat to the United States but Colombia's 35-year civil war doesn't. The Bush team seems to think the current policy is too confining, a point made by Robert Zoellick, a top foreign policy adviser to Bush, in a no-press-allowed speech in late October. "We cannot continue to make a false distinction between counterinsurgency and counternarcotics efforts," said Zoellick, a State Department aide in the first Bush administration a decade ago. "The narcotraffickers and guerrillas compose one dangerous network," he said. A copy of Zoellick's prepared remarks was made available by his office. His speech was delivered to a gathering of the Council on Foreign Relations. Colombian rebels are believed to earn hundreds of millions of dollars through their links to drug traffickers. The State Department recently cited evidence that Colombia's leading rebel group supplied cocaine to a major Mexican cartel in exchange for cash and possibly weapons. Zoellick suggested that future U.S. support for Colombia would depend on Colombian willingness to confront enemies of all stripes. "If the legitimately elected leaders of Colombia demonstrate the political will to take their country back from killers and drug lords, and if the Colombian people are willing to fight for their own country, then the U.S. should offer serious, sustained and timely financial, material and intelligence support," Zoellick said. But if the incoming Bush administration tries to alter the ground rules along the lines suggested by Zoellick, it would almost certainly produce Democratic opposition, particularly from Sens. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., and Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Many Democrats believe the Clinton administration already is too deeply involved in Colombia, citing shortcomings in the human rights record of the Colombian military and its continuing links with rightist paramilitary groups that also have a reputation for brutality. Zoellick sees the problem differently. He said in October that the "forces of democracy" must join hands to combat "new threats to security," such as that which exists in Colombia. His comments made no reference to human rights problems that Democrats find troubling. The tougher line on Colombia was foreshadowed in an Aug. 25 speech by then-candidate Bush himself who said U.S. assistance "will help the Colombian government protect its people, fight the drug trade, halt the momentum of the guerrillas and bring about a sensible and peaceful resolution to this conflict." In those comments, Bush gave equal billing to the need to curb narcotraffickers and guerrillas. The Clinton approach has been to give prominence to the counterdrug aspect of the problem. Clinton angered many Democrats in August by waiving a legislative provision which requires that Colombia meet certain human rights criteria before further U.S. assistance can be dispensed. A $1.3 billion U.S. anti-drug package was approved for Colombia last summer. Wellstone, in an opinion piece in Tuesday's New York Times, delivered an appeal for no more human rights waivers. "Next month," he wrote, "the U.S. government must once again certify that Colombia's military satisfies the conditions so that delivery of anti-drug aid can continue in 2001. "This time, the Bush administration's State Department must take a tough stance: no waiver and no aid until all human rights conditions are met," Wellstone said. "Americans should not be supporting a partnership with a military that does not meet these very basic standards." -- EDITOR'S NOTE -- George Gedda has covered foreign affairs for The Associated Press since 1968. On the Net: State Department on Colombia aid: http://www.state.gov/www/regions/wha/colombia/index.html Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. INSIDE A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
[CTRL] : Hospitals told to treat patients' pain
-Caveat Lector- HEALTHBEAT: Hospitals told to treat patients' pain By LAURAN NEERGAARD The Associated Press 12/26/00 12:48 AM WASHINGTON (AP) -- When you enter a hospital, you have a right to have your pain properly treated. That sounds so common-sense, yet millions of Americans suffer every day because pain is routinely ignored or undertreated. But starting next week, the nation's hospitals must make a major change: New standards require that every patient's pain be measured regularly from the time they check in -- just like other vital signs are measured -- and proper pain relief begun or the hospitals risk losing their accreditation. Patients should expect at least to be asked to rate how they're feeling, from zero, no pain, to 10, the worst pain imaginable. (Small children will use pictures to rate pain.) The score determines what steps the hospital must take to help. To stress how important the changes are, the new standards actually put in writing that "patients have the right" to proper pain assessment and treatment. Some hospitals already are handing out leaflets and posting signs in the halls telling patients about that right, so they know it's OK -- nay, crucial -- to complain if a doctor or nurse doesn't help. Better, it's not just hospitals that must take the new steps but nursing homes and outpatient clinics accredited by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations. The commission adopted the standards over a year ago, but gave facilities until January to comply. It's "a watershed event," said Dr. Russell Portenoy, pain medicine chairman of New York's Beth Israel Medical Center. "No one has ever promised patients no pain. But what JCAHO wants to do is promise people their pain will be assessed and managed in a state-of-the-art way." Many centers still are scrambling to comply. Teaching health workers who aren't pain specialists how to treat can take some time -- and many doctors inappropriately shun narcotics, a treatment mainstay for numerous types of pain, because they think patients will get hooked on them. "This is not going to happen overnight," cautioned American Pain Society president-elect Christine Miaskowski, nursing chair at the University of California, San Francisco. "Patients are going to have to demand better care," she said. "Unrelieved pain has negative effects. Just like they need an antibiotic to treat infection, they need analgesics to treat their pain." But many patients don't know they don't have to suffer -- or that pain is more than bothersome, it actually hinders healing. So being a stoic isn't good. Revealing how much pain you're in doesn't "bother the doctors" or distract them from treating your underlying disease, common excuses. "People think it's like an 11th commandment: 'Thou had surgery, thou should have pain.' ... Or that if you have cancer, you must have pain," said June Dahl, a University of Wisconsin pain specialist who helped write the standards. "Pain can be relieved." How big is the problem? Cancer provides the best estimates: About 40 percent of cancer patients have undertreated pain. One in four elderly cancer patients in nursing homes receives no treatment at all for daily pain. Last year, Oregon's medical board disciplined a doctor for treating a dying cancer patient's pain with mere Tylenol. Look beyond hospitals and some 9 percent of Americans suffer chronic pain, ranging from back injuries to rheumatoid arthritis. Experts say four of every 10 with moderate to severe pain don't get adequate relief. One of the biggest challenges is teaching nonspecialists that narcotic painkillers called opioids -- such as morphine, codeine, fentanyl -- are the mainstay for many types of pain, Portenoy says. Many doctors hesitate to prescribe opioids, which are heavily regulated because they can be abused by addicts. But for people who have never abused drugs and have no history of psychological problems, hardly any become dependent on pain medicine, Miaskowski said. Another complaint, heavy sedation, usually wanes in three to four days, she said. So what's state-of-the-art treatment? For moderate to severe pain from acute illness or surgery, expect a short-acting opioid like Percocet, or morphine in a patient-controlled quick-dose pump. For cancer, expect a long-acting version of morphine or oxycodone, or a fentanyl skin patch. For chronic pain not due to cancer, new guidelines recommend similar opioids. Methadone is an alternative when those drugs fail. Doctors also are trying antidepressants and antiseizure drugs like gabapentin for patients with nerve-related pain. And relaxation and hypnosis help, too -- but shouldn't replace proper medication, Miaskowski stresses. -- EDITOR'S NOTE -- Lauran Neergaard covers health and medical issues for The Associated Press in Washington. On the Net: American Pain Society: http://www.ampainsoc.org Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- K wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:55, Nessie wrote: That was because the northern non-slaveholding states were afraid that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. It doesn't matter why they did it. They did it. Ergo, David Horowitz lied. He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. -- The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. - Henry Ward Beecher Who was allowed to vote by that standard? Certain Males. Where were these particular people located in mass? The Northern states. Give us your tired, your poor, your voters. Now Why would Lincoln, who wanted to free the slaves have been killed? That guy was tilting the boat. To give the South that much power when they almost had them! Would he have allowed women to vote next? -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Sum2000.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] : Bush may pursue more activist Colombia policy
-Caveat Lector- Kate And the Bush government is looking for legitimately elected government officials? Looks like we have even more reason to watch the Colombia "drug war." Ronn 12/27 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ray Buckey's Press Corps and the Tunnels of McMartin - part three
-Caveat Lector- Resent - the original was truncated This may be heavy for survivors. From: Psychic Dictatorship in the USA, Alex Constantine (Feral House, 1995). part three : Ray Buckey's Press Corps and the Tunnels of McMartin A Cottage Industry of Child Abuse Debunkers "MODERN WITCH-HUNT - CHILD ABUSE CHARGES" bawled a Wall Street Journal editorial for February 22, 1993. But the tone of the column was dry and high-toned. Dr. Richard Gardner, professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University, cautioned that "a great wave of hysteria" had gripped the country. In the early 90s, the mass hysteria premise was touted by big city newspapers and magazines of elite stature, all attempting to persuade with evident bias and inflated "expert" opinion that false child abuse charges were endemic. This school of disinformation coaxed public opinion with dire exhortations of a child abuse witch-hunt. In his Wall Street Journal comments, Dr. Gardner warned that a great wave of hysteria, "by far the worst" in history, the most devastating "with regard to the number of lives that have been destroyed and families that have been disintegrated." Gardner's basic argument is that allegations of child abuse are often fabricated by parents embroiled in custody disputes another explanation not supported by statistics, the ones Gardner ignores. One study found that a mere two percent of all abuse accusations stem from visitation and custody disputes. Other researchers have placed the percentage slightly higher.) As for "mass hysteria," one of the earliest promoters of this thesis was Ralph Underwager, co-author with his wife, Hollida Wakefield, of Accusations of Child Sexual Abuse. "Few physicians will wish to invest the time and money ($70) to own or even read this book," complained a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association. "It is of little value to those who work with abused children except as it may be important to be aware of all points of view. The book will be doubtless be useful to attorneys defending persons accused of sexual abuse of children. It appears to have been written particularly for that audience The authors cite over 700 references, but they do not really review this body of literature. When a given reference fails to support their viewpoint, they simply misstate the conclusion." Since 1974, Dr. Underwager has been the director of the Institute for Psychological Therapies in Northfield, Minnesota. He has since been frequently called upon to provide expert testimony in the late '80s he spent 60-70 percent of his professional life shuttling between courtrooms. He is the author of numerous articles debunking the credibility of ritual abuse victims. Dr. Underwager has frequently been cited by Debbie Nathan as a leading authority on the subject. Lisa Manshel, author of Nap Time, an account of the New Jersey ritual abuse case, found that "child sexual abuse was not his field of knowledge," but "it was his field of courtroom practice. He proliferated the opinion, 'No one knows how to tell accurately whether a child's been abused' throughout the nation's courts." He has testified in most states, and by satellite in foreign countries, before at least 200 juries." Dr. Underwager once stated on the stand that he considered it "more desirable that a thousand children in abuse situations are not discovered than for one innocent person to be convicted wrongly." Dr. Underwager, a founder of the False Memory Syndrome foundation, is an ordained Lutheran minister. He believes, he once said in an interview appearing in an Amsterdam journal for pedophiles, , that sex with children is not only acceptable, but "God's will." Q: Is choosing pedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individual? Underwager: Certainly it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose pedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people. That is usually an essential negative definition. Pedophiles spend a lot of time and energy defending their choice. I don't think a pedophile needs to do that. Underwager insisted that pedophiles "should attack the concept, the image, the picture of the pedophile as an evil, wicked and reprehensible exploiter of children." Following the interview, Underwager was forced to resign as a founding member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (which is largely directed by CIA psychiatrists with backgrounds in mind control experimentation) The London Observer for December 12, 1993 reported that Dr. Underwager denied ever condoning sex with children. He added, however, that "scientific evidence" had demonstrated that "60 percent of women sexually abused as children reported that the experience was good for them. He contended the same could be true for boys involved with
Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)
-Caveat Lector- Wow, now there's some conclusive evidence. Kansas, I think you need to re-evaluate what kind of spirit you are communicating with; beause it definitely is NOT the Holy Spirit. This is all a bunch of scare tactics and mysticism. This does not come from the Lord. ** I tried to respond to J. Cone's question directly, but my reply did not register at CTRL. Here it goes: New Atlantis President William McKinley died on September 14, 1901. The twin Presidential evils of this millennial year, Bush and Gore, clinched their Party nominations on March 14, 2000. The Presidential Farce contest between the twin evils was resolved on December 13, 2000. Supermodel/actress Heidi Klum appeared on NBC's "The Weber Show", a.k.a. "Cursed", on December 14, 2000. She played the object of desire for a heterosexual man and a Lesbian woman. From CBNnow web-based E-mail, part of the growing CBNnow web presence. CBNnow, your source for news, information, and inspiration in the new millenium. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/27/00 8:48:14 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn. And this applies to conspiracy research...how? Notice the OT (Off-Topic) in the subject header? You can delete OT's and sleep well knowing you didn't open a single post that doesn't pertain to conspiracy theory. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it. Why don't you all stop fighting long enough to go back and re-read (or read fully for the first time) the original post, and LEARN something. You politically correct liberals can never see a simple truth until YOUR ox is gored.
[CTRL] REU: Clinton plans a new round of pardons
-Caveat Lector- http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20001227_2134.html Clinton says he plans a new round of pardons WASHINGTON, Dec 27 (Reuters) - President Bill Clinton on Wednesday said he expects to issue another round of presidential pardons before he leaves office on Jan. 20, and left the door open to pardons for Whitewater scandal figures. Asked whether he was still considering pardons for Whitewater figures, Clinton told reporters, "I expect to do another round of pardons." "I haven't had any meetings or made any decisions about any others yet. I just expect to do some," he added. Clinton last week pardoned 59 people and commuted the sentences of three others to time served. But he did not include well-known figures such as Susan McDougal, his partner in the failed Whitewater land deal in Arkansas, and former junk bond king Michael Milken. Nor did he act to free Leonard Peltier, who is serving a life sentence for killing two FBI agents at the Pine Ridge Indian reservation in South Dakota in 1975. Law enforcement groups have hotly opposed clemency for Peltier, who maintains his innocence. Clinton said on Wednesday that at least until last week's actions he had given fewer pardons than any president in nearly three decades. "But I think that it is appropriate for the president to do them where circumstances are appropriate," he said. PARDONS VERSUS COMMUTATIONS Clinton drew a distinction between sentence commutations -- which he said should be based only on "very specific reasons" -- and pardons, which he said should be given a more "broad-minded" consideration. The view would appear to support the cases of figures who have completed their punishment, such as Milken and McDougal, while giving Peltier a higher standard to meet. "In so many states in America, pardons are necessary to restore people's rights of citizenship," Clinton said. "And if people -- particularly if they committed relatively minor offenses, or if some years have elapsed and they've been good citizens and there's no reason to believe they won't be good citizens in the future -- I think we ought to give them a chance to, having paid the price, to be restored to full citizenship. "There are many people ... they'd like to vote at election time, they'd like to be full citizens, and they're out there working hard and paying taxes. And they have paid the price," he said. Clinton also expressed frustration with the U.S. clemency system, which he said he inherited as president, and said he wanted to try to help people without money or power to influence the process. Two commutations Clinton announced last week were for women convicted of conspiracy to distribute cocaine. They were considered incidental figures who received longer sentences than key offenders. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who IS Kansan1255????
-Caveat Lector- Hey Bill, thanks for the info. This person is so full of crap, is anyone really contemplating this garbage except for the queen of paranoia, Aleisha? If she agrees, watch out! It's just two freaks agreeing on anti-semetic opinions. Isn't there more to your pathetic lives than hate and mistrust? ** Nick Kaffes who disguises himself as "Kansan1225" is one of the more bizarre posters on various newsgroups. His initial appearance on the alt.freemasonry newsgroup included a number of postings attempting to relate every event which had ever occurred in the history of mankind (and perhaps some outside of it) to what he calls the "Clandestine Luciferian Masons" or CLuMs for short, in a "spiritual and temporal conspiracy". This is, of course, a fantasy of his imagination; no one in the known literature about Freemasonry has ever employed such a term. Using, primarily, coincidence of dates (but occasionally tossing in things like similar patterns on flags, neckwear, or whatever), he concocts a connection from any event to any other event - throughout the history of the world and particularly in current times. Among his more bizarre claims is that all of the world's countries are in league with each other with their leaders secretly manipulating world events - and that everyone is somehow secretly connected with Masonry. His premises were so weird as to be dismissed out of hand yet a casual reader examining a single internet Usenet posting often feels compelled to respond, if only because they don't fully understand the enormous fallacy which feeds the concept. One Mason has observed that even taking the listing from the book "10,000 Famous Freemasons" would result in - on average - some thirty Masons being tied to an event for each day of the year. And, ignoring obvious fact, all of the world's leaders (past and present) are tied to Freemasonry whether there is an actual connection or not. More astute observers will note that Kansan1225 rarely makes predictions but simply puts together his conception of connections between events, all controlled by these imaginary CLuMs - and that to date, each of his predictions has been wrong. In more recent posts, however, this individual has resorted to violent anti-Semitic attacks and attempts to sell what may be imaginary books. As an example, he posted the following: "Recently the Shabbes Goy Ed King tried to side step my characterization of him as a boot-licking slave of his satanic Zionist masters. Having lived in the New York/New Jersey area for many years, I am very familiar with the behavioral characteristics of Jews, satanic Zionists, Talmudists, the backward Hassidim, etc. Ed King does not behave like any kind of Jew in my experience. He does, however, behave like a sycophantic slave, licking the Talmudic excrement off the boots of his satanic Zionist masters. What do other people think? How would you vote? Ed King: Shabbes Goy or Jew?" He later posted the following as well: "Hey, Ed King, what are you doing posting here on a Saturday morning? You should be at a Synagogue cleaning out toilets." If you think that this is the type of person who has credible viewpoints, you have our sincere sympathies. We find such hatred absolutely disgusting, particularly when this poster attempts to claim that his 'messages' are inspired by Christ! With the death of conspiracy theorist Jim Keith, Kansan1225 is not attempting to 'tie his star' to another of those who achieved notoriety through weirdness. From CBNnow web-based E-mail, part of the growing CBNnow web presence. CBNnow, your source for news, information, and inspiration in the new millenium. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:]
Re: [CTRL] Mentally Ill Homeless In Phoenix, AZ
-Caveat Lector- Oh, Aleisha, what a saint you are: Studying your bible to amaze us with secrets, yet dismissing all those chapters on giving to the needy, not judging others and loving the Jewish people as our brothers. Instead you spread hate of any Israelites as Palestinian child killers(Who do you think have the guns, genious?) and those in this country less fortunate as yourself. You have a lot to learn from the Word of God. Even Satan knows the Bible and uses it to convince ignorants of "special God-given secrets". You aren't fooling anybody. No Spirit-filled person would interpret the Holy Word the same way as you do. You and your ilk are the spirit of the antichrist, as you are against the loving, accepting principles of Jesus. Aleisha wrote: The street people and homeless shelters - ever been to one? Winos, drug addicts, mentally "challenged", killers like climate of Whitechapel during days of Jack the Ripper.would you want to invite some of these people to your home for Christmas? This one young kid looked like demoniac - eyes full of hatred, mind partially destroyed by use of drugs - and one of these street people used by Democrats in Columbus Ohio few years back, murdered someone - and got caught, and this was when it was discovered he was hired by Democrat Party - but boy when Clinton came to town around 1994 or 1995 the secret service and/or Columbus Police undercover rid the streets of them..lying in hallways, filthy and some hungry but had wine bottles with them. From CBNnow web-based E-mail, part of the growing CBNnow web presence. CBNnow, your source for news, information, and inspiration in the new millenium. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] MH: Unregistered voters cast ballots in Dade
-Caveat Lector- This is one reason why it does not mater how many recounts are done. There is no way to know who won if all and only legally cast ballots are counted. Imus has declared his show "election-free" this entire week. Sounds like a great idea. Amelia - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:49 AM Subject: [CTRL] MH: Unregistered voters cast ballots in Dade -Caveat Lector- Sunday, December 24, 2000 The Miami Herald Unregistered voters cast ballots in Dade Dead man's vote, scores of others were allowed illegally, Herald finds BY MANNY GARCIA AND TOM DUBOCQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] André Alismé died of cancer in 1997. Yet a vote in his name was cast in last month's presidential election, one of more than 100 illegal ballots uncovered by The Herald in Miami-Dade County. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: JUSTICE!!!!! And Clinton's Harris Death Joke
-Caveat Lector- Maybe this explains why some people think the death of a political opponent is so hilarious--just following the example of their hero and emulating him like good little sheople. Whose funeral was it where Clinton was giggling upon exiting and when he realized he was on camera, he did a "face correction" that should embarrass an 8 year old? Was that Ron Brown? We have had God smite Bush give Cheney leprosy and it suggested Bush kill himself and Jayson has the ammo (no thanks to current administration, BTW) and Bush and his brother routinely make human sacrifices and Bush Sr, and GW and Cheney drug and rape a 6 year old and her mother, not to even mention the obsession with the proportions of Cheney's penis. Now not only have I noticed a complete lack of interest in the proportions of Leiberman's penis on the part of the Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians, I have not seen one post the equal of these in viciousness and and mean-spiritedness, despite Nessie saying the list fairly "drips" of it. The closest I can think of is the "Clinton Death Count" and he is not a current candidate. Yes, Mike, I know--Conservatives "whine" while Liberals make "insightful social commentary" and I should lighten up, etc. It is just that it all sounds the same to my untrained ear. :) And daily we are told how uncaring and "not nice" the C/R/L's are by these very same people. Guess it is sort of like hate crimes--you cannot commit one against a white person and there is no inconsistency in being as nasty as one can about a group while stating they are the nasties. I just hate inconsistency! No, I am NOT advocating any form of censorship--far from it--everybody post away. Just had to comment on a little discrepancy that keeps happening. Like Chelsea being off limits and it being "cruel" to make jokes about her by these already going after Jenna Bush. So let's all be as nasty and rude to each other as we can and say the most despicable thinks we can about political opponents. I am sure we are making some Elites very happy. And I DO need to lighten up--guess that means be equally nasty. I love good humor like Woody Allen, George Carlin, Dennis Miller, even South Park but I just do not find much humor in death--the death of anybody, even politicians I do not support. Ditto for torture and personal bodily injury. Some people do and there is no accounting for tastes so they are entitled, I suppose. Just MHO. Following the death joke, far down the list of addressees, is a letter advocating justice in the killing of Vickie Weaver. Amelia Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: JUSTICE! Friends, To the New World Order, the death of anyone opposed to their dictates may be a joking matter. This is not the first time liberal communist have "joked" about the death of someone who stood for American values and laws. - From: Howard Rothenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] NewsMax.com Clinton Tells Katherine Harris Death Joke [Snip] Tuesday night, at a party hosted by Phil and Melanne Verveer (his wife's chief of staff), Clinton tossed off his own Harris death knee-slapper. Thursday's Washington Post detailed the scene: "While the president presented 'survivor' medals to eight of his wife's staffers who have lasted all eight years at the White House, Phil Verveer said he hoped no one would confuse these awards with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, because the often-elderly recipients of that particular honor tend to die shortly after the ceremony. "'I guess I should have given one to Katherine Harris,' Clinton riposted, referring to the woman who certified George W. Bush the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes." The comment drew "appreciative chuckles all around," reported the Post. -- And, if our honorable (?) president thought that was funny, he must still be laughing about Waco and Ruby Ridge, Vince Foster, Ron Brown and the hundred or so other dead "friends" of his. However, some of us do not find this very humorous. I've left the e-mail addresses in this message in case you wanted to have them or add your own comments. From: "L'isbeth Noelle Rothe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Allard, Senator Wayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Campbell, Senator Ben Nighthorse" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Schaffer, Congressman Bob" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Tancredo, Congressman Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " DeGette, Congresswoman Diana" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Udall, Congressman Mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Bush Cheney Administration Transition Team" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Thurmond, Senator Strom" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Hatch, Senator Orrin" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Sessions, Senator Jeff" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Kohl, Senator Herb" [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Torricelli, Senator Robert C." [EMAIL PROTECTED], " Grassley, Senator Chuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "
[CTRL] Fwd: Clinton Legacy
-Caveat Lector- Bill O'Reilly _ WND Exclusive Commentary _ Remembering President Clinton _ First of all, Merry Christmas to all WorldNetDaily readers. Thanks for taking the time this year to read my musings. Right now with George W. Bush warming up in the bullpen, a description he would like, some in the media are beginning to analyze Bill Clinton's eight years in office. Alas, I am one of those. As some of you know from watching my television program "The O'Reilly Factor," Mr. Clinton is not my favorite guy. But not for the reasons he and others of the Democratic persuasion think. You see, I want my president to be a problem solver and to put the folks ahead of his own self in the pecking order of life. Let's take a look at the record regarding President Clinton. As far as the economy is concerned Mr. Clinton did a good job managing it up until this year when he went into the tank and stopped governing. The president said not a word when OPEC slowed down production, and that action is going to cause us a mini-recession in 2001. Since Mr. Clinton had no energy policy to fall back on, the OPEC production cut and subsequent higher oil prices were a disaster for working Americans and corporate profits. The reason the president did not aggressively fight the OPEC action is that he desperately wanted Arab cooperation in a Middle East peace deal, and he was too busy raising money for the Democratic Party and himself to pay close attention to macroeconomics. Mr. Clinton knew that any recession in 2001 was going be somebody else's problem. Thus the champion of the phrase "it's the economy, stupid," leaves the American people with a very shaky and somewhat stupid economy, and it did not have to be that way. The situation points up what I believe is Mr. Clinton's biggest fault -- he's selfish. The presidency was all about him, not us. He is quoted as saying he doesn't know how history will treat him but no one had more fun in office than he did. Swell. I'm glad he had so much fun. That's where I want my tax dollars to go -- fun for the president. Are you getting the picture here? If not, here are a few more things that offended me about President Clinton. He spent lavishly on himself and his family to travel the world, and many of those trips were little more than fabulous junkets. I know some of the people who went on them -- no expense was spared. We're back to fun again. Mr. Clinton also did nothing about the drug problem in America, the illegal immigrant problem on the southern border, high health costs, poor public school education and a deteriorating military. I repeat -- he did nothing about those problems in eight years. In fact some of them got worse. The president fiddled while America's airline industry fell apart. He appointed the incredibly incompetent Rodney Slater as Transportation Secretary. Mr. Slater ran up huge expenses while doing nada. And we all know about the nuclear secrets debacle and the campaign finance illegalities. Also, I hope you have noticed that I did not mention Monica Lewinsky one time. On the plus side, Mr. Clinton cut the welfare rolls, increased home ownership in America, kept inflation under control by balancing the budget and kept crime down by effective use of block federal grants to local law enforcement agencies. But the American worker got slaughtered under Mr. Clinton, even if Joe and Betty America don't really know it. Taxes are the highest since World War II and individual spending depletes almost all personal income. In other words, many American workers are living paycheck to paycheck. And those paychecks are no longer secure. So I believe Mr. Clinton did little of lasting importance. Nobody is going to remember the go-go economy of the '90s 30 years from now. But after eight years of Mr. Clinton, our kids still face a rampant narcotics infestation, sky-high medical costs, poor public education, a wobbly Social Security system and a jaded social outlook where about half the population feels it is quite OK to lie under oath if you're talking about sex. No question that Bill Clinton had brains and charisma and a big opportunity to make this country a better place. For lack of a better phrase, he blew it. Veteran TV news anchor Bill O'Reilly is host of the Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor," and author of the new book, "The O'Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad, and the
Re: [CTRL] NM: Dee Dee Myers: Hillary's a Bitch
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/27/00 11:00:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nearly two years ago, Hillary biographer Barbara Olson reported that White House counsel Abner Mikva was so incensed over Mrs. Clinton's conduct that he resigned after one profanity-laced upbraiding by the first lady. Barbara Olson can't even remotely be considered as a reliable source. She screams right-wing rhetoric on every talk show she can find, and is married to the nototrious Ted Olson - the man who in league with Richard Mellon Scaife spent Clinton's term dogging him, digging up dirt and even manufacturing dirt. He's also the lawyer who argued GW's election cases to the US SC, though the fix was in before he even opened his mouth. He could have recited the alphabet and sang nursery songs in front of the bench and won. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ray Buckey's Press Corps and the Tunnels of McMartin - part four
-Caveat Lector- This may be heavy for survivors. From: Psychic Dictatorship in the USA, Alex Constantine (Feral House, 1995) part four : Ray Buckey's Press Corps and the Tunnels of McMartin Others appearing in the story threatened me. They did not sue. Why not? They made such a noise. Now they are the sources of your movie, still making noise about "innocence abused," and it¹s hollow. They contend there is no evidence that children were abused at McMartin. On the contrary, there is an abundance of evidence. But the DA had no real intention of gathering it. Neither did the press. Same as JFK, eh? The CIA connection to cults around the country began in 1963. The story was told by a Berkeley psychologist in a thesis entitled "The Penal Colony," which was presented at a psychiatric conference in San Francisco by Congressional aide Joe Holsinger after Leo Ryan was killed at Jonestown. The hybrid was conceived because people were asking questions about experiments at McGill, the University of Pennsylvania, John Hopkins, UCLA, Honeywell, NASA and other haunts of the CIA¹s MKULTRA mind control fraternity. Jonestown was one product of the association. Another, more recent example was the Solar Temple killings in Switzerland. The British press reported that this cult was running arms to Australia and South America, and laundering the proceeds at BCCI. The American press couldn¹t find this information. What does this tell you? Buckey Sr. testified that he did not have tunnels dug beneath the preschool. Why would anyone do that? Five scientists have put their reputations on the line to confirm that there are tunnels. One, a carbon-dating specialist, discovered that the tunnels were excavated in 1968. That was the year the preschool was built. It was built by Charles Buckey. He lied on the stand. The kids gave fairly accurate descriptions of the tunnels. Did Abby? Regards, Alex Constantine Despite this protest, and threats of a boycott of HBO from children's advocacy groups around the country, Indictment aired anyway. The movie simply reinforces the many misconceptions the public has been force-fed since Abby Mann became involved in the case. The Most Hated Man at the L.A. Times In January, 1990, after the anti-climactic, deadlocked verdict of the second trial, the Los Angeles Tmes ran a four-part series by media critic David Shaw, trashing the paper's own coverage of the McMartin case. Shaw described press coverage of the case as a "media feeding frenzy" ranking with exposes of Gary Hart, Oliver North and Dan Quayle. "More than most big stories," Shaw explained, "McMartin at times exposed basic flaws in the way the contemporary news organizations function. Pack journalism. Laziness. Superficiality." Daily newspaper coverage, he argued, was contaminated by "cozy relationships with prosecutors," and a competitive furor "that sends reporters off in a frantic search to be the first with the latest shocking alllegation." Shaw's McMartin series won the Times its 18th Pulitzer, but few reporters attended the champagne party thrown in his honor. "Most people don't like him," Times staffer Lee Dye told a reporter for Los Angeles magazine. "He really is disliked at the Times," said restaurant critic Ruth Reichl. Bill Boyarsky, another staffer, says "everyone around me hates him." The harshest opinion of Shaw came from the late Glenn Binford, the paper's late night editor at the city desk, who refers to Shaw as "an oily little prick." The nickname stuck. "Even the late Dial Torgerson," reported Los Angeles, "a droll, dry-witted newsman's newsman ... adopted the moniker, though it was uncharacteristic of Torgerson to disparage anyone." Reporters for the "Metro" section particularly harbor a keen disdain for David Shaw. Why is so much animosity directed his way? Most of Shaw's colleagues at the Times feel that he receives special treatment. He is contracted to write a mere four stories a year. He moonlights as the monthly "Dining Out" columnist for GQ magazine. As the official ombudsman of the Times, one reporter complains, "Shaw plays favorites and purposefully ducks anything that may really irritate his superiors, tending instead to aim at those with no actual power." One of his primary targets is staff writer Lois Timnick and Cathleen Decker, whose McMartin coverage was hardly "frantic" or "superficial." Shaw's depiction of them as reportorial McCarthyites is not borne out by a review of the newspaper's McMartin coverage, and the air around Times Mirror Square has, since his series appeared, been thick with acrimony. A week before Shaw received the Pultizer, Timnick (who has since stopped talking to him) threatened to organize an office "suicide party" if he won. When he did walk away with an award, the Pulitzer committee stated that it was given to Shaw not on the merits of his writing, but because the Times
Re: [CTRL] Carla Binion at the Online Journal
-Caveat Lector- A handful of us have posted articles by Carla Binion in recent weeks. Carla will be creating her own website soon. Many of her essays can be found at the Online Journal site. A search on "Binion" at (http://www.onlinejournal.com/) gives these results: 1. Special Reports â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion Bush's cabinet of spooks By Larry Chin Anti-Semitism, racism and a Bush Family organization By Carla Binion A kinder, gentler fascism ... ... By Carla Binion A layman's guide to the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore By Mark H. Levine, Attorney at Law Cover-ups and withholding ballot ... ... By Carla Binion Bush and the FOIA, Cheney and secrecy: Why we might never find out who won By Carla Binion Sample ballot deceptiveâelection supervisor ... 66% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:11:53 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/special_... 2. Commentary â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion Damned if you do, damned if you don't: The Florida Supreme Court's dilemma By Tamara Baker Beyond the Supreme Court: 6 ways Al Gore can ... ... By Carla Binion It depends on what the meaning of disenfranchise is By Christian Mitchell-Livemore Reactionary radio's polar opposites By Johnny Angel ... ... By Carla Binion Hyper-technicalities, judges and evidence By Bev Conover The will of the people By the Consortiumnews.com Editors A Bush family slip-up ... 64% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:28:29 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/commentary.html 3. Letters â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... Binion's article "Nazis and Bush family history... Editor: Carla Binion wrote: "The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, ... ... Re: The Starr Report and Carla Binion's article Editor: I forwarded the Nostradamus quote to Catherine Crier and Greta Van Sustran.Hope it gets on the ... ... In regard to Carla Binion and her article about anti-Semitism and racism in the Bush family. I am amazed that it could be so well known in this country ... 63% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:09:19 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Letters/letters.html 4. DirtyTricks â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion December 20, 1999 â Robert Kennedy, Jr., Katie McGinty, Pat Bryant, Federico Pena, and Ted Danson sent out email saying that it is ... 61% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:21:25 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/DirtyTricks/... 5. Binion120100 â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion "When the Supreme Court suggested in a 1980 case that blacks suing under the Voting Rights Act had to prove intentional discrimination ... 61% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:15:29 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Binion120100/... 6. Binion112900 â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion November 29, 2000 | Early in the campaign, I mentioned that as a presidential candidate, George W. Bush resembled an Elvis impersonator ... 61% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:35:11 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Binion112900/... 7. Binion120900 â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion December 9, 2000 | This government originated as an alternative to rule by monarchy. Tom Paine, though not an author of the Declaration ... 61% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:30:04 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Binion120900/... 8. Binion120700 â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion December 7, 2000 | What might a conflict between the interests of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and the Democratic Party's ... 61% Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:34:01 GMT http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Binion120700/... 9. Binion120500 â¢â¢â¢ Join our mailing list! View Online Journal Archive "What is George W. hiding?" redux The corporate media may be giving Bush a pass, but we won't A kinder, ... ... By Carla Binion December 5, 2000 | A Bush presidency might pose a threat to the
