Re: [CTRL] Return of the Plagues?

[Carl Amedio]

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We now have drug resistant polio TB and others.  Its just a question of time.

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[CTRL] Return of the Plagues?

[Euphorix]

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>From Wash DC Post
via http://www.cleveland.com/news/index.ssf?/news/pd/w28resis.html

>>>This is reminiscent of the problems the comfort ladies in the Philippines (and
other locales) had with taking forty pills over ten days' time and being abstinent.
The developed a bunch of resistant cooties, too.  When the natural defenses are put
into atrophy, morality notwithstanding, the cooties usually win.  Another good one
is TB, on the comeback trail.  A<>E<>R <<<

}}>Begin
Disease-causing bacteria growing more immune to 'wonder drugs’
Thursday, December 28, 2000
By GUY GUGLIOTTA
WASHINGTON POST
Health & Fitness

Ohio to extend Medicaid coverage

Inhaled steroids can ease symptoms but do not arrest respiratory ailments

Disease-causing bacteria growing more immune to 'wonder drugs’

Visit the Health & Finess section

Talk in our Health Forum

Talk in our Fitness Forum






One of nature’s most common - and dangerous - disease-causing bacteria is developing
antibiotic-resistant strains at an increasing rate, the latest evidence that overuse
of these "wonder drugs" is causing them to lose their effectiveness.
A report in today’s issue of the New England Journal of Medicine found that the rate
of multidrug resistance for the microbe Streptococcus pneumoniae had increased from
9 percent to 14 percent between 1995 and 1998. Streptococcus pneumoniae is the most
common cause of bacterial meningitis, pneumonia and inner ear infections in the
United States.
"The emergence of S. pneumoniae with anti-microbial resistance is a matter of great
concern," said the research team, led by Cynthia Whitney of the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention. "Multidrug-resistant pneumococci are common and are
increasing."
As recently as the 1930s, the fatality rate from pneumonia in the United States
stood at 35 percent. With the introduction of antibiotics, the rate began to drop in
sharp increments until it reached 5 percent to 8 percent with the introduction of
penicillin.
The CDC team collected 12,045 samples of Streptococcus pneumoniae between 1995 and
1998 from a population of 16.5 million spread throughout the country. During the
period, the rate of resistance to penicillin rose from 21 percent to 25 percent, the
report said, but the rate of resistance to three or more classes of drugs rose much
more sharply - from 9 percent to 14 percent.
The study found a higher proportion of penicillin-resistant bacteria among children
and white Americans than among adults and black Americans, statistics the team said
probably reflected whites’ easier access to antibiotics and parents’ greater
likelihood of dosing their children with drugs.
Furthermore, the report said, although bacterial strains "that are susceptible to
penicillin are rarely resistant to another agent," strains "that are resistant to
penicillin are likely to be resistant to multiple other agents."
The chief culprit in microbial resistance is overuse of antibiotics, the team said,
and in an editorial accompanying the study, Richard Wenzel and Michael Edmond of
Virginia Commonwealth University noted that approximately 25,000 tons of antibiotics
are consumed each year in the United States, about half by humans and the rest by
livestock and agriculture.
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"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
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the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
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[CTRL] Undoing 'Plan Colombia'

[Amelia]

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{Well, we can hope. AKE}


Undoing 'Plan Colombia'

Will Bush declare end to Clinton's flawed war on drugs?
U.S. Marines carry the casket of one of five U.S. soldiers killed in July.
when their reconnaisance plane crashed into a mountainside in southern
Colombia, The Bush Administration will have to decide whether to continue
U.S. intervention there.


By William Ratliff
MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR

Dec. 27 -  In a perverse way, the tragic nightmare unfolding in Colombia may
be a good thing - if it gets the incoming Bush Administration to look
seriously at what is happening in Latin America. This region is our largest
and fastest growing market and (with Canada) our closest neighbor, but the
Clinton foreign policy team could hardly have cared less. The challenges
there of drugs and development are reaching crisis level - in part, a result
of Clinton's indifference.
   Should the Bush Administration declare an end to the Clinton
Administration's war on drugs?


 Yes. Military aid has created more problems than drug abuse itself. Spend
the money on treating addicts at home.

 No. The United States must treat the drug problem at its source: the
countries that produce illegal drugs.


  Should the Bush Administration declare an end to the Clinton
Administration's war on drugs?

 * 1864 responses
 Yes. Military aid has created more problems than drug abuse itself. Spend
the money on treating addicts at home.
 74%


 No. The United States must treat the drug problem at its source: the
countries that produce illegal drugs.
 26%
 Survey results tallied every
60 seconds. Live Votes
reflect respondents' views
 and are not scientifically
 valid surveys.


 IF THE SON is at all like the father, and the son's political
appointments suggest that he is, the incoming foreign policy team should do
better, not least because Secretary of State-designate Colin Powell seems to
be a sound strategic thinker who is able to ascertain what genuine U.S.
interests exist in Latin America. What's more, Powell's roots are in the
region and he has the stature to promote those interests.
   Here are the issues he faces:
 Figuring out what is important and what is possible with the resources we
have and are willing to commit. For starters, that means minimizing the
influence of partisan domestic issues on foreign policy and avoiding such
Quixotic and enormously time-consuming adventures as the Clinton
Administration's attempts to "restore democracy" in Haiti.
 Active promotion of hemispheric trade through the proposed Free Trade Area
of the Americas (FTAA), an idea introduced in 1990 by the first President
Bush. This will lead the agenda at the Third Summit of the Americas in
Quebec City, Canada, in mid-April, where Bush will first meet most Latin
American leaders. The Clinton Administration supported the FTAA verbally,
but refused to spend real political capital on it. If the new administration
is serious, it will press immediately for "fast track" authority to bypass
the perpetual inaction of Washington.
 Close cooperation with our nearest neighbors and top trading partners,
Canada and Mexico. The more problematic relationship traditionally has been
with the latter, though prospects have never been better than now under
Mexico's dynamic new president Vincente Fox.
 Lifting the antiquated and counterproductive embargo on Cuba. A majority of
Americans now favor such a change; even 38 percent of Cuban-Americans in the
Miami area, according to a recent poll by Florida International University.
But here Bush may be hamstrung by domestic politics. At the same time,
Washington must keep an eye on Castro and his self-appointed anti-American
successor in Latin America, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, both of whom
cultivate friends like Iraq's Saddam Hussein.
 A critical reevaluation of the U.S. role in Colombia and of the hopelessly
failed U.S. "war on drugs." Suffering from this war in the States has been
nothing compared to its impact in Latin America, where the toll has been
tragic in the destruction of lives, democratic institutions, social fabric,
hope for the future and respect for the United States.

THE POWELL DOCTRINE
 Will Colin Powell knock some sense into our foreign policy?

 Powell must have noticed that the current large and war-oriented
U.S. aid package to Colombia flies in the face of his own famed doctrine:
clarity of objective, use of massive force, certainty of victory and exit
strategy, and public support. Clinton's ill-advised "Plan Colombia" will not
greatly reduce drug deliveries to the United States, but will get us
open-endedly involved militarily in Colombia's decades-old civil war. The
strategy does not seek to apply massive force. But when more of the 500
American advisers now down there are killed and the costs of further aid,
and the replenishing of expensive destroyed equipment, become clear,
Americans will become much more perturbed about our largely military
involveme

[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President

[Amelia]

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Birds,
Re-read my post.  It is to Jayson and no where do I mention you at all.  I
was referring to his stating that he had the ammo and how many would need to
be taken down to find an acceptable one, etc.  I am merely stating a fact
that ANY threat against a presidential party is required by law to be
thoroughly investigated by the Secret Service.  That is the law and I did
not write it.  It was written in a time of actual political assassinations
and attempts.  It was meant as a word of caution as one never knows who is
on a large list such as this one.
Amelia

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Subject: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Amelia,
>
> No where in Jayson's mail says I said something illegal.  Why  do you care
about what I said anyway?  I am surprised it came from
> you Amelia.  I did not say I was going to kill Bush and frankly who gives
a crap about us being illegal when those politicians kill
> people all the time.  The President should not be this high and almighty
person who cannot be killed.  What about other important
> people?. That is some screwed up thinking on the part of this country.
Thinking of killing and actually killing are two different
> things.  Maybe you are a Bush fan.  We talk all the time on this list
about Bush and how dirty his whole family is.  He has done so
> much damage and you tell me I should not say that against the almighty
President who is totally Illuminati??? Give me a break. The
> question was what Bush should doI said get killed.  I did not say that
I was going to kill  him.  I was making a joke which I
> thought was good.  This list just is not healthy for me.  The only reason
I stay on is the good information Kris gives and Smart
> News and and others with some real truths.  I need to stick to their posts
and delete the rest.  It appears people are challenging
> the McMartin tunnels and how is it possible?  Anyone could build a tunnel
who is strong enough.  Ted Gunderson a well known retired
> FBI man has covered the McMartin case thoroughly.  I have seen his videos.
I hope that he has some things on the internet if one
> wants to check him out.
>
> Birds
> Private Mail Welcome
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:13 PM
> Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours
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>
> -Caveat Lector-
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> I am glad you clarified that, Jayson, as even in jest, it is illegal to
> threaten a presidential party.  I am sure you are aware of this and with
the
> eyes/ears on this list, it is not a good thing to do.
> Amelia
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:38 PM
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> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:55 -0800 Birds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > >>On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >>OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone
> > >>acceptable?
> > >>Jayson, with a good supply of ammo.
> >
> > >I see you agree!
> > >Birds
> > >Private Mail Welcome
> >
> > While I do not advocate anyone shooting these people, I have no
objection
> > to their self removal from the gene pool.  I would be willing to supply
> > the ammo if they gave me written assurances as to the ultimate end use.
> >
> > Jayson
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Re: [CTRL] The Best of the Season

[Foxter]

Kris,
Thanks for this list.
Foxter

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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[CTRL] Uruguay President says "Legalize Drugs"

[William Shannon]

http://www.narconews.com/heroyear2000.html 

Uruguay President says "Legalize Drugs" 

What if an elected president of an Américan nation called for the legalization of drugs and nobody outside of his country reported it? 

That's what happened twice in the past month when Uruguay President Jorge Batlle called for other Latin American leaders to join him in opposing US-imposed drug policy. "If this powder was worth only ten cents, there would not be organizations dedicated to make a billion dollars to fund armies in Colombia," said Batlle, speaking about cocaine policy on November 20th at the 10th Latin American Summit of Heads of State in Panama City. Batlle (pronounced baht-yuh) said other countries must confront the question of legalization. "How do you create the money that sustains all of this? Do you believe that while this substance has this fantastic market value that there is any mechanism that can impede its trafficking? How do you make this product lose value so that nobody is interested anymore in this business?" The 72-year-old Uruguay leader, elected in November of 1999 in his fifth run for the presidency, said that the countries of América "must stop playing games and treat the theme of drugs seriously at its root. And if I am wrong, then why are we afraid to ask ourselves the question?" Source: Terra.com News, Montevideo Uruguay, November 20, 2000 http://www.terra.com.uy/canales/actualidad/5/5086.html In fact, the legalization proposal of Batlle has been percolating in Uruguay since June of this year. According to the daily newspaper El Observador in Montevideo, the capital of Uruguay, the president's chief of staff, Leonarda Costa, floated the trial balloon on June 16th. He said, "a line of discussion will be opened among the Mercosur countries (Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay)" in relation to "the idea of legalizing the consumption of drugs." "Obviously, Uruguay cannot take unilateral measures on this theme," said the presidential secretary to Latitud magazine, adding that "the coordination between nations" is necessary. President Batlle told the weekly Brecha magazine that he is in favor of legalizing drug consumption. "When the president said what he said, he was expressing his personal philosophy," said Costa. "But it is viable to the extent that other countries also do it." The chief of staff affirmed that there would have to be a "generalized agreement between nations," and that, "the countries have to come to an agreement about this problem…. The first thing to do is to make an educational effort." Source: El Observador, Montevideo, June 16, 2000 http://www.observador.com.uy/elobservador/anteriores/2000/junio/1606/viernes/16ur04d.htm At the Brasilia Summit on August 31 and September 1 of South American Presidents, Batlle worked with other Mercosur heads of state - Ricardo Lagos of Chile, Fernando de la Rúa of Argentina and Fernando Cardoso of Brazil - to deliver the united opposition to the military aspects of Plan Colombia, just two days after US President Bill Clinton's Colombia visit. Then, on October 17th, in Santiago de Chile, at of the 56th annual assembly of the Inter-American Press Association, IAPA, Batlle raised another question that CNN broadcast without mentioning the context of his pro-legalization stance: "Let's look also at where money is laundered," said President Jorge Batlle of Uruguay, in a clear reference to the banking system in the United States and developed countries. His November 20th statement at the Panama presidential summit went unreported, although many of the US correspondents for major media outlets were present. Then, on December 1st, Batlle traveled to Mexico City to attend the inauguration of President Vicente Fox. There, according to El Observador in his home country, Batlle made his strongest challenge to US-imposed drug policy yet. "The day that it is legalized in the United States, it will lose value," said the president of Uruguay. "And if it loses value, there will be no profit. But as long as the US citizenry doesn't rise up to do something, they will pass this life fighting and fighting." Batlle, in Mexico City early this month, compared the drug problem to that caused by alcohol prohibition in the United States (1918-1933), saying that the drug trafficking problem "will be resolved on the day that the consumers announce that this cannot be fixed by any other manner than changing this situation in the same way that was done with the ‘Dry Laws'." Of Plan Colombia, he said, "You have to think about the origin of the thing. Basically, where is this consumed? A minimum of 50 percent is consumed in the United States. It seems fine with me that my friend Pastrana (the Colombian president) tries to improve education, health and roads… but this doesn't resolve the problem." And Batlle added that he has personally proposed the legalization solution to US President Bill Clinton. Source: El Observador, Montevideo, December 1, 2000 http:

[CTRL] GuardianUK: Now it's unofficial: Gore did win Florida

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

[This is a few days old, but I've been away, and I don't recall
seeing it before.  Sorry if this is a duplicate post.  --MS]


http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4109842,00.html


Now it's unofficial: Gore did win Florida

Ed Vulliamy in New York
Sunday December 24, 2000
The Observer

As George W. Bush handed further key government posts to hardline
Republican right-wingers, an unofficial recount of votes in
Florida appeared to confirm that Bush lost the US presidential
election.

Despite the decision by the US Supreme Court to halt the Florida
recount in the contested counties, American media organisations,
includ ing Knight Ridder - owner of the Miami Herald - have
commissioned their own counts, gaining access to the ballots
under Freedom of Information legislation. The result so far, with
the recounting of so-called 'undervotes' in only one county
completed by Friday night, indicates that Al Gore is ahead by 140
votes.

Florida's 25 electoral college votes won Bush the presidency by
two seats last Monday after the Supreme Court refused to allow
the counting of 45,000 discarded votes. But as the media recount
was suspended for Christmas, the votes so far tallied in Lake and
Broward counties have Gore ahead in the race for the pivotal
state, and hence the White House.

Gore's lead is expected to soar when counting resumes in the New
Year and Miami votes are counted. In a separate exercise, the
Miami Herald commissioned a team of political analysts and
pollsters to make a statistical calculation based on projections
of votes by county, concluding that Gore won the state by 23,000.

The media initiative is likely to bedevil Bush in the weeks to
come, thickening the pall of illegitimacy that will hang over his
inauguration on 20 January.

It has already led to a face-off between almost all the news
media organisations in the state and Bush's presidential team. In
the most extreme example of the Bush camp's desperation to avoid
a recount, the new director of the Environment Protection Agency,
Christine Todd Whitman, has proposed that the Florida ballots be
sealed for 10 years.

Bush's spokesman Tucker Eskew dismissed the recount as
'mischief-making' and 'inflaming public passions' while his
brother, Florida governor Jeb Bush, accused the papers of 'trying
to rewrite history'.

Meanwhile, Bush made his boldest ideological statement yet with
the appointment of John Ashcroft as Attorney General.

The appointment is especially significant, because as head of the
Justice Department Ashcroft would be the man to bring any felony
charges against President Bill Clinton over the Lewinsky affair.
During the scandal, Ashcroft was among the loudest and shrillest
voices for impeachment.

There have been many calls to President-elect Bush to pardon his
predecessor as a sign of peace, but he made a point of rejecting
them.

Ashcroft lost his Missouri Senate seat to the widow of the
state's popular Democrat governor, Mel Carnahan. From the family
of a Pentacostal minister, he is an outspoken social conservative
and an ally of the extremist Pat Robertson.

Ashcroft represents a host of militant committees and activist
groups, of which the Christian Coalition is most prominent. He is
an opponent not only of abortion but even - as he said in one
speech - of dancing.


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[CTRL] [5] Follow the Chad"

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It has all the ingredients of a Silent Coup in some jerkwater Banana
Republic...
There are shadowy figures from Organized Crime rubbing elbows in Miami
restaurants with "retired" CIA agents and Bay-of-Pigs-era Cubans...
"Business" is conducted ever-so-discreetly, covert op style, behind the heavy
velvet drapes of dummy "front" companies...
And since these are rarely bloodless affairs,  there's a dead body (or two or
three) lying around somewhere in the background. In court, one lawyer has
even called it a "sinister conspiracy," language uncharacteristically-blunt
for  civil proceedings.
But this coup isn't just another Central American "transfer-of-power;" it
involves, instead,  the possible subversion of the very democratic process
itself.
Only this time it didn't take place in a country with a foreign-sounding
name...but in the United States of America.
In November. In Florida.


"Tangled Webb City"

Here's a brief run-down on a few of our "players:"
Harold and Herb Webb are twin brothers operating election service industry
companies in New Jersey.  These companies,  Garden State Elections and
Elec-tec, were used to conceal transactions involving election services
industry giant Sequoia Pacific, according to court documents, which fingered
that company last week for orchestrating a 10-year long bribery scheme
involving the Commissioner of Elections for Louisiana.
But Harold and Herb Webb aren't even the only Webb's in this tangled
scheme...Industry giant Sequoia Pacific's General Manager's name is Hugh
Webb.
Harold Webb, Herb Webb, and now Sequoia's Hugh Webb. Is it just a  'tangled
Webb?'
Or something more?


"We don't know why we broke into the Watergate, honest."

Herb Webb, president of a firm proven to have acted illegally on Sequoia
Pacific's behalf, denied to this reporter even knowing Hugh Webb.
Sequoia Pacific head honcho Hugh Webb returned the favor, denying knowing
either Herb or  Harold Webb... a neat trick, since Harold Webb has admitted
to prosecutors that he was acting on behalf of Hugh Webb's company.
Prosecutors have the ability to untangle this tangled Webb. The question is:
will they?
There is even another extended "family," that of Sequoia Pacific's Southern
Regional Sales Manager Phil Foster, with deep connections to the bribery
scheme... Phil Foster is about to be indicted in Louisiana, while his
brother-in-law, David Philpot, is soon to stand trial.
And then there is also James Foster, of James Foster Associates, the Texas
firm which printed Florida's Republican absentee ballot
applications...Remember them? The ballot applications where a voter i.d
number had been "inadvertently" left off?


"Follow the Chad"

Sequoia Pacific operates through a number of dummy front companies.
Pasquale "Rocco" Ricci's company, International Voting Machines, was really
Sequoia Pacific. Harold Webb's Garden State Elections was really Sequoia
Pacific. So was Herb Webb's Elec-tec. This is a list which could quickly grow
much longer.
Many Florida Counties involved in the Vote Snafu used tabulating machines
from Sequoia Pacific disguised as being from other vendors; Sequoia actually
supplied both computer and punch card systems to Florida, in counties where
their name has not yet surfaced.
The reason for all this elaborate deception? Clearly, some people have gone
to some little trouble in an elaborate attempt to conceal Sequoia Pacific's
role. Why?
A reporter for the Fresno Bee interviewed Hugh Webb recently. He told us,
about Webb, "I was taken aback by his secretive nature."

There is a joke making the rounds just now in Southern State Capitals; like
much humor it contains an uncomfortable truth that cannot yet be spoken in
polite company...
"The real vote snafu in Florida," goes the joke, "concerns what happened
after the Sunshine State purchased used election machines from the state of
Louisiana, and on those machines Edwin Edwards was elected President in a
landslide."
There's a hidden truth behind the sarcasm: Edwards is the convicted former
Louisiana Governor, and the 'one-liner' describing this budding scandal
threatening to burst out in screaming Technicolor is this:
"Florida used the same (doctored) machines as Louisiana. And they came from
the same 'shadowy' sources."
(to be continued.)
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Politically Correct counts
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[CTRL] [This is WILD!] WP: Bush's mystery photos?

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[This is WILD...straight out of The Twilight Zone!  You *MUST* go
to the this URL to see these pictures.  You won't be sorry you
did!  THEY WERE TAKEN ON DIFFERENT DAYS!!  --MS]


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52767-2000Dec26.html


'Machine' Politician Exposed By Photos

President-elect Bush named top advisers Condoleezza Rice and
Alberto R. Gonzalez at the governor's mansion in Austin on Dec.
17. (J. Scott Applewhite - AP)

By Gene Weingarten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 27, 2000; Page C01


First, don't panic. There is probably a good explanation for the
mystery of the photographs, something that does not threaten the
enslavement and/or extermination of mankind.

There has to be a benign explanation. I just haven't found it
yet.

The first photograph appeared in The Washington Post on Dec. 18.
In it, the president-elect stands behind and to the side of
Condoleezza Rice, his nominee for national security adviser.
George W. Bush is slightly out of focus. His head is cocked to
the left and tilted slightly backward, his mouth downturned in a
perfect cartoonish crescent, the way a first-grader might draw a
frown. His eyes are squinty.

The next photograph appeared in this paper two days later. In it,
the president-elect stands behind and to the side of Alberto R.
Gonzalez, his choice for White House counsel. George W. Bush is
slightly out of focus. His head is cocked to the left and tilted
slightly backward, his mouth downturned in a perfect, cartoonish
crescent, the way a first-grader might draw a frown. His eyes are
squinty.

It is not a similar pose; it is an identical pose. It is not a
similar expression; it is the identical expression.

Both photos were sent to me via e-mail by Post reader Adam
Shannon, and at first I suspected chicanery: that as a joke,
Shannon had altered one or both of them in a Photoshop process.
But no, Post archives confirmed that both had been published.

Then the third photo appeared in The Post two days later:

The president-elect stands behind and to the side of Ann Veneman,
his nominee for agriculture secretary. George W. Bush is slightly
out of focus. His head is cocked to the left and tilted slightly
backward, his mouth downturned in a perfect cartoonish crescent,
the way a first-grader might draw a frown. His eyes are squinty.

Identical. Different tie, identical pose.

Now I suspected chicanery of a different sort. Could The Post
have violated its own hallowed standards for accuracy by ginning
up these photos from old stock, to cover for lazy or drunken
photographers who missed their assignments? Or something?

Then the fourth photo appeared. This was in the Philadelphia
Inquirer. Bush, with his new EPA chief, Christine Todd Whitman.
Cocked head. Backward tilt. Crescent frown. Squint.

Then, The Baltimore Sun. The New York Times. The Washington
Times. Bush, with his nominee for treasury secretary, Paul
O'Neill. Squints! Frowns! First-graders! Tilt!

Then, El Nuevo Herald in Miami. ¡Ceños! ¡Cortaduras!
¡Estrabismos! ¡Cabezas inclinadas!

I felt I was losing my mind.

Adopting a background pose of requisite gravity is evidently a
tricky thing for a new president: In 1993, when Bill Clinton had
to appear beside his new nominees, this very newspaper commented
how similar the president-elect looked in the photographs: It was
the birth of his famed lip-bite pose. But those photos were
fraternal twins of each other. These new ones are clones. What
could explain this?

It occurred to me that it might not be Bush in these photos at
all. The president-elect is a busy man these days, forced by
circumstance to collapse his interregnum into a few weeks.
Perhaps he hasn't the time to attend all these ceremonial events.
Perhaps what we are seeing is a stand-in, one of those cardboard
cutouts you can pose with on the street around the White House.

I telephoned J. Scott Applewhite, the Associated Press
photographer who took that first excellent picture of Bush and
Condoleezza Rice. Is it possible, I asked him respectfully, that
he was fooled by a cardboard cutout?

"A cardboard cutout?"

Yes, I said hopefully.

"It was Bush," he said.

You sure?

"I am absolutely certain. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said it was
Bush in my caption."

Hm.

I asked: How is your eyesight?


Silence.


"It does the job," he said, a little stiffly.


I admit I was pressing, but I was desperate. The only alternative
scenario I had was the one I did not wish to visit.

Adam Shannon, the Washington communications consultant who first
brought this matter to my attention, had a theory of his own: The
Bush we know, the Bush we see, the Bush at the debates, the Bush
on the campaign trail, the Bush we elected, the Bush whom J.
Scott Applewhite and others have been photographing, is "an
animatronic robot."

A machine?

"It's a fusion of a servo-motorized biofidelic shell and a
sophisticated artificial intelligence module," Shannon theorizes.

What we are seeing in t

[CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky

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- Original Message -
> Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups
>
> **
>
> Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky, 2000
> The Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the
> World's climate.
> Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military scientists are working on
> weather systems as a potential weapon."
>
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000
> From: Michel Chossudovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Climate Change: Washington's New World Order Weapons
>
> IT'S NOT ONLY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS:
> WASHINGTON'S NEW WORLD ORDER WEAPONS
> HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRIGGER CLIMATE CHANGE
> by Michel Chossudovsky
> Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of The Globalization of
> Poverty, second edition, Common Courage Press, 2000.
>
> The important debate on global warming under UN auspices provides but a
> partial picture of climate change; in addition to the devastating impacts of
> greenhouse gas emissions on the ozone layer, the World's climate can now be
> modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated "non-lethal weapons."
> Both the Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to
> manipulate the World's climate.
>
> In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active
> Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic
> Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is
> fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods,
> droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is
> a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of
> conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological
> systems of entire regions.
>
> While there is no evidence that this deadly technology has been used, surely
> the United Nations should be addressing the issue of "environmental warfare"
> alongside the debate on the climatic impacts of greenhouse gases.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> Despite a vast body of scientific knowledge, the issue of deliberate
> climatic manipulations for military use has never been explicitly part of
> the UN agenda on climate change. Neither the official delegations nor the
> environmental action groups participating in the Hague Conference on Climate
> Change (CO6) (November 2000) have raised the broad issue of "weather
> warfare" or "environmental modification techniques (ENMOD)" as relevant to
> an understanding of climate change.
>
> The clash between official negotiators, environmentalists and American
> business lobbies has centered on Washington's outright refusal to abide by
> commitments on carbon dioxide reduction targets under the 1997 Kyoto
> protocol.1 The impacts of military technologies on the World's climate are
> not an object of discussion or concern. Narrowly confined to greenhouse
> gases, the ongoing debate on climate change serves Washington's strategic
> and defense objectives.
>
> "WEATHER WARFARE"
>
> World renowned scientist Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military
> scientists are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The
> methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor rivers in
> the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or floods."2 Already in
> the 1970s, former National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski had foreseen
> in his book "Between Two Ages" that:
>
> "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques
> for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security
> forces need be appraised... [T]echniques of weather modification could be
> employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."
>
> Marc Filterman, a former French military officer, outlines several types of
> "unconventional weapons" using radio frequencies. He refers to "weather
> war," indicating that the U.S. and the Soviet Union had already "mastered
> the know-how needed to unleash sudden climate changes (hurricanes, drought)
> in the early 1980s."3 These technologies make it "possible to trigger
> atmospheric disturbances by using Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radar
> [waves]." 4
>
> A simulation study of future defense "scenarios" commissioned for the US Air
> Force calls for:
>
> "US aerospace forces to 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging
> technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting
> applications. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the
> enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete
> dominance of global communications and counterspace control,
> weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options
> to defeat or coerce an adversary... In the United States,
> weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy
> with both domestic and international applications. Our government will
> pursue such a policy, de

[CTRL] Mea Culpa? No effin' way!!! Re: [CTRL] "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 27 December 2000 Part 2

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Re: [CTRL] "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 27 December 2000 Part 2
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Refuting R.W. Zimmerman, author of

> A New Strategy For A New Generation

> In upcoming years, Generation X must become active to develop into
> responsible citizens. They are now discovering the positive and the negative
> lessons from their parents.

Uh huh...  sure.  Unless the ETs 'save' us first.

> I think we, the "40, 50, and 60-Somethings" are really the "what's in it for
> me generation" and we should look to the kids of tomorrow to reconnect us
> with deeper values.

Speak for yourself.  I have spent a large portion of my life trying to enlighten
others, increasing both collective and individual awareness so our nation will
not be overtaken by the encroaching tyranny of the corporate plutocracy, which,
unfortunately, it seems to be doing anyway.

Many of the "idealistic and dedicated" citizens of this nation ARE the
'boomers'.  Why do people like yourself buy into pre-packaged generalizations
about generations?  The best and the worst are to be found in every age group,
or every ethnic group or nationality, for that matter.  Why do you buy into the
media-promoted BS of disempowering shame that they work so hard to sell you?
How many times and in how many ways is it repeatedly pointed out to the public
how superficial, empty, materialistic the 'boomers' are?  Do you know that it
has also been reported that 'boomers' will need ever closer monitoring for
barely discernable mental illness, which reportedly, according to 'authorities'
with the help of the propaganda press, they are a greater risk to manifest?
Why is this paridigm being pushed?

These are LIES — plain and simple!  And the agenda is to further divide the
citizens of this nation against each other and to undermine the authenthicity,
viability and effectivity of individuals who happen to find themselves
characterized in a gross generalization of a generation.

If we are so impoverished as to need to look to 'generation X' for guidance and
solutions, we are indeed in a sorry state!  For we need to look with faith
within ourselves, and to the best in each other of all generations as we seek
guidance and solutions, not to the established authorities of government,
government regulatory agencies, the corporate-controlled media or religions.
Doesn't experience clearly demonstrate how these 'authorities' have done nothing
but undermine the creative spark of the individual, giving us naught but a
nightmare in exchange for the all-too-willing sacrifice of our dreams of a free,
compassionate and enlightened nation?

Please, think about what paradigms are being pushed and why.  Think about the
fact that you are being manipulated to believe what will compliment agendas of
which you may not yet be aware.  Or maybe it is easier for you to turn a blind
eye to reality, instead continuing to pay homage to the alleged authorities who
will corner and subdue you with their manufactured ghosts of shame,
ineffectivity and powerlessness.

Guilt is a useless and draining burden to carry, sapping energy, confidence,
courage, strength and potential.  The only payoff is that if we blame ourselves
we are in the sanctimonious position of relinquishing our responsibility and
deflecting further blame.   And that is what you are doing with your
self-effacing cooperation with artificially generated shame — copping out.

Mirage

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Mark Twain

"If in the last few years you haven't discarded a major opinion or acquired a
new one, check your pulse, you may be dead."
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>>This makes accepting that the WC is not a Nazi puppet very, very
difficult.


Don't get ridiculous.



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[CTRL] "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 27 December 2000 Part 3

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Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!


GI HUMOR - No Nativity Scene In Washington

Ed.: In case you haven't noticed...
*

The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a nativity scene in
Washington, D.C. this Christmas. This isn't for any religious reason.

They simply have not been able to find three wise men and a virgin in the
Nation's capital. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill
the stable.

===
MEDAL OF HONOR
~
Ed.: The Battle of the Bulge lasted from December 16, 1944 to January 28,
1945. More than a million men participated in this battle on both sides. At
the conclusion of the battle the casualties were severe: 81,000 U.S. with
19,000 killed, 1400 British with 200 killed, and 100,000 Germans killed,
wounded or captured. Here is another story of one of the heroes who helped
turn the Fuehrer's last gamble into total strategic defeat.

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WIEDORFER, PAUL J.

Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant (then Private), U.S. Army, Company G,
318th Infantry, 80th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near, Chaumont,
Belgium, 25 December 1944. Entered service at: Baltimore, Md. Birth:
Baltimore, Md. G.O. No.: 45, 12 June 1945.

Citation: He alone made it possible for his company to advance until its
objective was seized. Company G had cleared a wooded area of snipers, and one
platoon was advancing across an open clearing toward another wood, when it
was met by heavy machinegun fire from 2 German positions, dug in at the edge
of the second wood. These positions were flanked by enemy riflemen as well.

The platoon took cover behind a small ridge, approximately 40 yards from the
enemy position. There was no other available protection and the entire
platoon was pinned down by German fire. It was about noon and the day was
clear, but the terrain extremely difficult, due to a 3-inch snowfall the
night before.

Pvt. Wiedorfer, realizing that the platoon's advance could not continue until
the 2 enemy machinegun nests were destroyed, voluntarily charged alone across
the slippery open ground with no cover of any kind. Running in a crouched
position, under a hail of enemy fire, he slipped and fell in the snow, but
quickly rose and continued forward with the enemy concentrating automatic and
small-arms fire on him as he advanced.

Miraculously escaping injury, Pvt. Wiedorfer reached a point some 10 yards
from the first machinegun emplacement and hurled a hand grenade into it. With
his rifle he killed the remaining Germans, and without hesitation, wheeled to
the right and attacked the second emplacement. One of the enemy troops was
wounded and the other 6 immediately surrendered.

This heroic action by one man enabled the platoon to advance from behind its
protecting ridge and continue to reach its objective. A few minutes later,
when both the platoon leader and the platoon sergeant were wounded, Pvt.
Wiedorfer assumed command of the platoon, leading it forward with inspired
energy until the mission was accomplished.

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27 December 2000 - "Christmas Memories And A Look To The Future"

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The Christmas That Won't Go Away

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Hack's Target of the Week:

The Christmas That Won't Go Away


By David Hackworth

Fifty years ago this week, I spent a white Christmas in Korea along with
thousands of other GIs. We weren't skiing at some fancy resort but trying to
stop hordes of Chinese from steamrolling south. Mao's master plan was the
destruction of all American forces that were trying to save South Korea from
a communist takeover. So his army wasn't heading south for sun or fun.

No way could Yuletide 1950 be described as a jolly good time. We were on the
run with a Chinese juggernaut pummeling us night and day, coming at us with
mass attacks that Yankee firepower couldn't stop. Put simply, they had more
troops than we had bullets.

Then there was the 20-below-zero weather. Trying to beat the elements was a
battle in itself. It was so bitterly cold that if you didn't constantly move
your fingers and feet, they turned black and you lost them.

Not only had our generals failed to understand the enemy's intentions, they
hadn't provided their grunts with the basics. Like Americans who fought at
Valley Forge 172 years before, ammo, winter gear and food were almost
nonexistent up at the forward edge. We lived off the land and did a lot of
praying. It was brutal.

I was a scout squad leader in the 25th Recon. Our company's job was to slow
the enemy down and deceive him as to where our front really was. Day after
day we swapped terrain for time, fighting rear-guard actions and praying that
a panicky engineer wouldn't blow a bridge we'd need to dart across at the
last possible minute.

The day before Christmas, our prayers went unanswered. As we wer

[CTRL] Zulfikar says, "I told you so"

[PM Kansan1225]

  Zulfikar had to alert the media.  Captain Zulfikar "Zodiac"
Zolkoski of the Mosquitoes Police Department (MPD) intended to
let everyone know the true character of the notorious Dr. K, also
known as Kansan1225.

  Zodiac called up his pal, CNN's roving correspondent Rhonda
Schlepper:

  Zulfikar "Zodiac" Zolkoski:  "As-Salaam 'aleykum, ya Rhonda!"
("Peace be unto you, oh Rhonda!")

  Rhonda Schlepper:  "Wa 'aleykum as-Salaam, ya Zulfikar!"
("And unto you Peace, oh Zulfikar!")  "Eid Mubarak!"  ("Blessed is
the Feast at the end of Ramadan!")

  Z.Z.Z.:  "Eid Mubarak!  Merhaba!"  ("Hello!")

  R.S.:  "Merhabteyn!"  ("Two hellos!")

  Z.Z.Z.:  "Alf merhaba!"  ("One thousand hellos!")

  R.S.:  "Keyf hal-kom fee Mosquitoes?"  ("How are you all
doing in Mosquitoes?")  (Mosquitoes:  the Texas metropolis
formerly known as Houston.)

  Z.Z.Z.  "Kulu tamaam!  Everything is A-OK, except, of course,
for the matter of the Catholic Protest compound and that trouble-
maker, the notorious Dr. K."

  R.S.:  "What's up with Kansan1225?"

  Z.Z.Z.:  "As I have told you before, he is continuing on his
leftist deviationist path.  He is indulging himself in a cult of
personality of his own creation."

  R.S.:  "I heard that he is capitalizing on the fact that his
birthday is Christmas Day.  He was born just before the Blue Moon
of December 1952."

  Z.Z.Z.  "Yes, and he even thinks that the first hydrogen bomb
explosion in November 1952 was the star in the East that marked
his birth."

  R.S.:  "Do you think he will claim that Hiram "Hank" Williams,
Senior's musical talent has been transferred to him, since Hank died
one week after Kansan's birth?"

  Z.Z.Z.:  "No, he hasn't done that yet, but I will tell you what:
it's more likely that Joseph Stalin's spirit was transferred to Kansan,
since Stalin died on March 5, 1953."

  R.S.:  "I can see that.  Stalin was an Orthodox seminarian in his
youth, studying to be a priest.  That fits with Kansan's religious
posturing, while using Stalinist methods all along."

  Z.Z.Z.:  "I told you so, he is KGB all the way."

  R.S.:  "Captain, you, as a Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD)
expert, what do you think of Nikolai Alexandrovich, the self-
proclaimed Czar Nicholas III?"

  Z.Z.Z.:  "That fraud claims that his father, Alexander, named
him after the late Czar Nicholas II.  He forgets to mention that his
father was a minor Communist Party functionary and named him
after another Nick, after Nikolai Lenin."

  R.S.:  "Well, I'm glad you are on the case, Zodiac.  Lupus will
be pleased, too."

  Z.Z.Z.:  "I always try to do what is needful.  And how is your
wonderful husband, Mr. Lupus Blister?  I never miss his show on
CNN."

  R.S.:  "He is thinking of coming down to Texas to cover the
transition."

  Z.Z.Z.:  "Acha'"  ("Good.")  (Zulfikar reverted for a moment to
his mother tongue, Urdu.)  "I hope I can meet him then.  I have
some more background information for him."

  R.S.:  "What about?"

  Z.Z.Z.:  "I can not go into too many details over the phone, but
Law Enforcement Officials (LEO) suspect Kansan's involvement in
the heart attack suffered by Dick Cheney on November 22, the
anniversary of President Kennedy's death."

  R.S.:  "Wow, he would stop at nothing to make his theories
come true.  And what about the young Jenna Bush?"

  Z.Z.Z.  "LEO think that Kansan may have cast a spell on her to
get acute appendicitis on Christmas Day, on this fiend's birthday."

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The problem with this explosion of growth at the federal level was that it
takes money for the system to continue to perpetuate itself. The second blow
to the liberties of the American people came in 1913 in the form of one
Federal Act and one Amendment to the Constitution. The Act is called the
Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and effectively established what is becoming
known as the Shadow Government or the American Oligarchy (a government in
which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish
purposes). This Act established a central banking system that is regulated
only slightly by the government. The effect of this banking system will be
immediately apparent by the following example. Alan Greenspan is for the
moment the head of the Federal Reserve Bank. He has direct control of every
IRA, 401K and the interest rates Americans pay for loans on their homes,
credit cards, automobile purchases, etc… Have you ever noticed how when the
“Fed” raises interest rates the stock market reacts in the negative thus
causing losses in many 401K’s, your local bank raises interest rates, and
prices for consumer goods increase in all areas of commerce? This Act is
directly responsible for the shifting of the economy of the United States and
its money system from the control of the U.S. Congress into the hands of a
few powerful bankers in direct contradiction to the Constitution.

1913 also was the year the 16th Amendment was enacted (some say this
Amendment was never ratified by the States) giving birth to our income tax
and the modern IRS. Senator Richard E. Byrd says this concerning the passage
of the 16th Amendment:

"It means that the state must give up a legitimate and long-established
source of revenue and yield it to the Federal government. It means that the
state actually invited the Federal government to invade its territory, to
oust its jurisdiction and to establish Federal dominion within the innermost
citadel of reserved rights of the Commonwealth. This amendment... will extend
the Federal power so as to reach the citizens in the ordinary business of
life. A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every
man's business; the eye of a Federal inspector will be in every man's
counting house…

"When the Federal government gets a stranglehold on the individual
businessman, state lines will exist nowhere but on the maps. Its agents will
everywhere supervise the commercial life of the states... "

The end of 1913 saw the second fear of our 1787 prophet come into being and
the eventual disintegration of state independence.

“…[T]he legislature of the United States are vested with the great and
uncontroulable powers, of laying and collecting taxes, duties, imposts, and
excises; of regulating trade, raising and supporting armies, organizing,
arming, and disciplining the militia, instituting courts, and other general
powers… [T]hey may so exercise this power as entirely to annihilate all the
state governments, and reduce this country to one single government. And if
they may do it, it is pretty certain they will; for it will be found that the
power retained by individual states, small as it is, will be a clog upon the
wheels of the government of the United States; the latter therefore will be
naturally inclined to remove it out of the way. Besides, it is a truth
confirmed by the unerring experience of ages, that every man, and every body
of men, invested with power, are ever disposed to increase it, and to acquire
a superiority over every thing that stands in their way… [T]he authority to
lay and collect taxes… is the great mean of protection, security, and
defense, in a good government, and the great engine of oppression and tyranny
in a bad one”

During the debate to ratify the United States Constitution an Anti-Federalist
position held that the size of the proposed United States did not lend itself
to being ruled by either a true democracy or as a republic. Brutus in his
final prophetic concern for the new republic expressed his objections this
way:


“History furnishes no example of a free republic, any thing like the extent
of the United States. The Grecian republics were of small extent; so also was
that of the Romans. Both of these, it is true, in process of time, extended
their conquests over large territories of country; and the consequence was,
that their governments were changed from that of free governments to those of
the most tyrannical that ever existed in the world.”

“Not only the opinion of the greatest men, and the experience of mankind, are
against the idea of an extensive republic, but a variety of reasons may be
drawn from the reason and nature of things, against it. In every government,
the will of the sovereign is the law. In despotic governments, the supreme
authority being lodged in one, his will is law, and can be as easily
expressed 

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Just what was it that Congress changed because of FDR’s request? Congress
amended the October 6th 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act! This act was amended
in the following ways:

1st. Congress made the amendments to the 1917 act retroactive to March 4th,
1933 to cover any thing FDR may have declared prior to Congress meeting on
March 9th, 1933.

2nd. The distinction between enemies of the United States and the citizens of
United States was changed so that “We the People”, were included in the
definition of the enemy, and were to be treated no differently. All
distinctions between the two groups were totally voided and every man, woman
and child was made an enemy of their government.

3rd. The Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 was amended to read “during times
of war or during any other national emergency declared by the President….”
Thus the war powers not only included a period of war, but also a period of
“national emergency” as defined by the President of the United States. When
either of these two situations occur, the President may:

“[T]hrough any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate,
regulate or prohibit under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe by
means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange,
transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by
the President and export, boarding, melting or earmarking of gold or silver
coin or bullion or currency by any person within the United States or
anyplace subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

What can the President do now to the We, the People, under this amended act?
He can do anything he wants to do. It's purely at his discretion, and he can
use any agency or any license that he desires to control us. All that is
required is for the President to declare a “national emergency” whether it
is real or imagined. The United States Federal government had ceased to be
the Constitutional Republic designed by the founding fathers and arrived at
the constitutional dictatorship feared by the Anti-Federalists 146 years
earlier.

In an article entitled Law and Antilaw © 1995 and posted at the Constitution
Society website it becomes a little clearer what the Emergency and War Powers
order means to the American public.

“…[T]he Emergency and War Powers order. This act, codified as 12 USC 95(b),
effectively declared the Constitution suspended and conferred dictatorial
powers on the President, a situation which continues to this day.”

We are now nearing the end of the year 2000. Remember that this order is
still in effect and will continue to remain so unless and until Congress acts
on it to repeal it. The article Law and Antilaw continues:

“Following this there was a long train of unconstitutional legislation and
executive orders, made possible by intimidation of the federal courts…”

“Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said ‘Since March 9, 1933, the
United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.’ It goes on
to say:”

“These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These
hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers,
ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens
in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken
together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to
normal constitutional process.’”

“Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize
property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities;
assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all
transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private
enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control
the lives of all American citizens.’”

The 1973 Senate Report 93-549 also contains a very telling statement in its
introduction. That statement is as follows:

“…[I]n the United States, actions taken by the government in times of great
crisis have from, at least, the Civil War, in important ways shaped the
present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency.”

It is immediately apparent what the War Between the States had to do in
shaping the permanent state of national emergency. The Senate report
deliberately uses the words “Civil War” to define the great crisis. The
Senate report could not possibly mean anything that happened in the Southern
government from 1861 to 1865 since they had left the Union of States and were
existing under their own constitution. It is therefore, the actions of
Lincoln and his cabinet with the complicity of the Congress that the Senate
report is referring too. The Senate in 1973, fully realized they had in place
everything needed to repeat the dictatorial events first used by Lincoln and
as I have show

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Date: 12/21/2000 1:25:00 AM
Written By: Tim Case
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“If the constitution, offered to your acceptance, be a wise one, calculated
to preserve the invaluable blessings of liberty, to secure the inestimable
rights of mankind, and promote human happiness, then, if you accept it, you
will lay a lasting foundation of happiness for millions yet unborn;
generations to come will rise up and call you blessed… But if, on the other
hand, this form of government contains principles that will lead to the
subversion of liberty — if it tends to establish a despotism, or, what is
worse, a tyrannical aristocracy; then, if you adopt it, this only remaining
asylum for liberty will be shut up, and posterity will execrate your memory.”

Between September 1787 and the ratification of the U.S. Constitution, which
took effect in March 1789, a debate raged among the citizens of the 13
colonies. This debate was over the limits or lack thereof, that should be
placed on the proposed federal government. Those that supported a strong
central government were known as the Federalists and were championed by men
like James Madison and Alexander Hamilton. Opposing a centralized federal
government and arguing the need for strong state government and limited or no
centralized federal power were the Anti-Federalists. The best known supporter
of the Anti-Federalists position was Patrick Henry. The argument raged in
town halls, newspapers, back yards and the legislatures of all 13 states. In
New York State there arose a voice only known as Brutus who published his
fears of a federal system and how it would result in the loss of liberty.

No one knows the true identity of Brutus but there was no doubt that during
the debate for ratification of the Constitution of the United States, Brutus
stood as a staunch Anti-Federalist. Although history has still not yielded
the identity of Brutus, within 74 years after his concerns were set in print
the prophetic nature of his words along with those of many Anti-Federalists
were beginning to be realized in the person of Abraham Lincoln.

“If it (the Constitution) has its defects, it is said, they can be best
amended when they are experienced. But remember when the people once part
with power, they can seldom or never resume it again but by force. Many
instances can be produced in which the people have voluntarily increased the
powers of their rulers; but few, if any, in which rulers have willingly
abridged their authority.”

April 1861 would see the Federal government, under the control of Abraham
Lincoln, set the Constitution aside for almost 5 years. Charles Adams in his
latest book entitled When in the Course of Human Events, explains:

“After the attack on Fort Sumter, Lincoln assumed dictatorial powers. He
circumvented his constitutional duty to call Congress in times of emergency
by delaying the meeting for almost three months. In the meantime, he made
decisions, which, according to the Constitution, the Congress should have
made.”

The dictatorial powers assumed by Lincoln in violation of the Constitution
started with his calling to service the militia from each of the 24 states in
defiance of Article 1, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. This was done
within a week after the South fired on Fort Sumter. Then, as an act of war
and in circumventing the Constitution and Congress, he ordered the blockade
of Southern ports. Charles Adams goes on to say:

“On April 21, he (Lincoln) ordered the navy to buy five warships, an
appropriations act requiring congressional approval. On April 27, he started
suspending the privilege of habeas corpus, in effect just about nullifying
every civil liberty of every citizen. Soon thereafter he started shutting
down newspapers that were not supportive of the war on the South. On May 3,
he called for more troops, this time for three years, again a prerogative of
the Congress.”

“He directed the Treasury Department, at this time, to pay $2,000,000 to a
private firm in New York to start buying military equipment, also an
appropriations act that required Congressional approval—before the fact.”

It is outside the scope of this work to go into the causes for these
extraordinary actions taken by Lincoln and his cabinet, so I will concede
that argument to another work and other scholars. My intent is threefold:
First, to show through history how our government has come to be the enemy of
our freedoms. Second, what has happened that allows the Federal government to
assume powers that are not delegated in the supreme law of the land. Third,
to show the results of these historical events in relation to the freedoms of
the American people. The results of these actions by a President of the
United States are best summed up by the following c

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here is a bill pending that bans all .50 cal weapons and even tells you
to turn them in to the authorities.
notice that they can't find the vote record. If I was voting to disarm
you I wouldn't want my name released
either.

New York State Bill A08992

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BILL NO   A08992A

SPONSOR   RULES COM Matusow

COSPNSR   Clark, Diaz, Dinowitz, Hoyt, Ortiz, Hochberg, Englebright,
Glick,
  Greene, Harenberg, John, Koon, Perry, Pheffer, Sanders,
Scarborough,
  Stringer, Weinstein, Weisenberg

MLTSPNSR

Amd Pen L, generally; amd SS117 & 301.2, Fam Ct Act; amd S190.71, CP L
Bans the sale, use or possession of 50-caliber weapons and directs the
division
of state police to embark on a program whereby persons currently in
lawful
possession of such weapons may be reimbursed for the fair market value
thereof
upon turning such weapons in to a designated officer.



Actions on Bill A08992

BILL NO   A08992A

07/22/1999referred to codes
01/05/2000referred to codes
02/24/2000amend (t) and recommit to codes
02/24/2000print number 8992a
03/13/2000reported
03/16/2000advanced to third reading cal.51



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Re: [CTRL] The 62 people granted clemency Friday by President Clinton

[Samantha L.]

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In a message dated 12/28/00 3:59:52 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> If I'm not mistaking, MOST of these were, are, and
>  should be state crimes, of which the Federal government has no
>  legal role.  --MS]

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/21/presidentialclemency.ap/inde

x.html

exerpt:

Earlier this week, a coalition of 675 clergy asked Clinton to commute
sentences of nonviolent drug offenders. In a letter, the group asked the
president to grant clemency and release on supervised parole those federal
prisoners who have served at least five years for low-level, nonviolent
involvement in drug cases.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/28/clinton.pardons.reut/index.h

tml

exerpts

Clinton last week pardoned 59 people and commuted the sentences of three
others to time served. But he did not include well-known figures such as
Susan McDougal, his partner in the failed Whitewater land deal in Arkansas,
and former junk bond king Michael Milken.
---
Clinton said Wednesday that at least until last week's actions he had given
fewer pardons than any president in nearly three decades.
---
Clinton drew a distinction between sentence commutations -- which he said
should be based only on "very specific reasons" -- and pardons, which he said
should be given a more "broad-minded" consideration.
---
"There are many people ... they'd like to vote at election time, they'd like
to be full citizens, and they're out there working hard and paying taxes. And
they have paid the price," he said.
---
Two commutations Clinton announced last week were for women convicted of
conspiracy to distribute cocaine. They were considered incidental figures who
received longer sentences than key offenders.
--
Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] The 62 people granted clemency Friday by President Clinton

[K]

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On 28 Dec 2000, at 14:59, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> [Sorry if y'all have seen this, but I wondering if this is
> normal, i.e., the actual nature of the crimes and the shear
> amount of these pardons & comuntations??  To me, this is just
> unbelievable. The President of the United States can only give
> pardons and/or clemency for Federal crimes.  Take a look at this
> list and ask yourself how the crimes these people are supposed to have
> committed fell under the jurisdiction of the Federal government. If
> I'm not mistaking, MOST of these were, are, and should be state
> crimes, of which the Federal government has no legal role.  --MS]
>

Maybe they just know the "right" people and have enough cash to
spread around to make it worthwhile to pardon them.

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[CTRL] Nevada MJ laws conflict with Feds

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What ever happened to "States Rights"?

Marijuana IS a medicine and can be found listed in old texts on herbal medicine,
but competes with the pharmacuetical corporations, (the petroleum industry and
the cotton and synthetic fiber industry too) who would rather we take their
expensive poisons.  ~  M


http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2000/dec/27/511223836.html

Las Vegas SUN

December 27, 2000

Las Vegas SUN

Medical panel urges marijuana research

By Cy Ryan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
SUN CAPITAL BUREAU

CARSON CITY -- A team of doctors and pharmacists has recommended that the state
conduct research to determine if marijuana is effective in treating ailments
such as cancer, AIDS or glaucoma.

The group said the research program would allow the state to avoid a
confrontation with the federal government, whose anti-marijuana laws conflict
with the recently passed initiative that allows marijuana prescriptions.

The panelists said it would help resolve the debate on whether the drug actually works.

The recommendations are contained in the final report released Tuesday by the
Nevada Medical Marijuana Initiative Work Group, formed last year after Nevada
voters in 1998 passed a ballot initiative to allow medical use of marijuana. The
initiative passed a second time in November and now becomes part of the Nevada 
Constitution.

The work group issued its recommendations as guidelines to Gov. Kenny Guinn and
the state Legislature, which will also be considering bills to reduce the
penalty for possession of a small amount of marijuana from a felony to either a
gross misdemeanor or misdemeanor.

The group recommended formation of a committee of health care professionals.
Doctors or medical groups could apply to the committee for permission to study
the efficacy of marijuana.

If the committee sanctions the plan, the research proposal would have to get
federal approval from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Food and Drug
Administration and the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

Louis Ling, general counsel to the state Pharmacy Board and a co-author of the
report, cited precedents for such state-federal cooperation.

A plan similar to the Nevada patient research plan is already in use at the
University of California, San Francisco, which secured federal approval, he
said.  And San Mateo County in California is close to final approval from the
federal government.

The state ad hoc committee would seek and distribute grants and possibly state
money to help applicants through the process with the federal government and
into the research stage.

"Marijuana would be purchased by the research study through federally approved
providers," the report says. "Marijuana would not be grown, processed or
manufactured in Nevada. The federally approved provider would provide uniform,
predictable and uncontaminated marijuana, thus protecting patients from the
vagaries of illegal or homegrown marijuana."

The physician conducting the research would write the prescription and it would
be filled by participating pharmacies that would purchase marijuana from the
federal government. This plan, said the work group, "would allow physicians, not
state bureaucrats, to decide which patients would have access to marijuana for
medical purposes."

This system, the group said, treats marijuana as "a potential medicine.

"Modern medicine has been and continues to be enriched by medications that
originated from pre-existing biological materials," the report says.

But these materials, it said, must be "subjected to rigorous and exacting
medical and scientific research. Only through such rigor could folk remedies and
traditional cures be proven or disproven and outright charlatanry be weeded out."

If the claims are proven, then the research enhances "the lives of patients
every day," the report said.

The team said it was aware that the system "may restrict the access of some
people to marijuana, since marijuana will only be available through approved
medical research programs."

Proponents of the constitutional amendment objected, the report notes, and there
was "considerable frank debate" on that issue. But the group "determined that
access to all experimental drugs is, by necessity, limited."

"Such limited access is useful to produce credible results and to protect
patients from the potential harm that an untried substance might produce.

"Several members of the work group hoped that marijuana might provide medical
tools presently unavailable, but they believed that only credible scientific
research could validate marijuana's utility and safety," the report says.

The law proposed by the group would not authorize the use or possession of the
plant for purposes other than medical research. And it would not require
insurance companies to cover the medical research. Nor would it require
"accommodation of medical use in a place of employment."

The group said, however, that marijuana available as part of an approved
r

[CTRL] The 62 people granted clemency Friday by President Clinton

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

[Sorry if y'all have seen this, but I wondering if this is
normal, i.e., the actual nature of the crimes and the shear
amount of these pardons & comuntations??  To me, this is just
unbelievable. The President of the United States can only give
pardons and/or clemency for Federal crimes.  Take a look at this
list and ask yourself how the crimes these people are supposed to
have committed fell under the jurisdiction of the Federal
government. If I'm not mistaking, MOST of these were, are, and
should be state crimes, of which the Federal government has no
legal role.  --MS]


begin forward

Associated Press

The 62 people granted clemency Friday by President Clinton, with
the year sentenced and offense, according to the Justice
Department:

Commutations of sentence:


--Edward Raymond Birdseye, Chico, Calif., May 1992, unlawful use
of a communication facility.

--Charles Edward Boggs, Paragould, Ark., October 1977, receiving
a stolen motor vehicle which was part of interstate commerce.

--Terry Coy Bonner, Hambleton, W.Va., July 1986, possession of an
illegally made destructive device.

--Darrin Dean Dorn, July 1981, Iowa, conspiracy to damage
property by means and use of an explosive.

--Dorothy Marie Gaines, Alabama, March 1995, conspiracy to
possess with intent to distribute, and possession with intent to
distribute, cocaine base.

--Bobby Franklin Griffin, Missouri., December 1997, bribery, mail
fraud.

--Kemba Niambi Smith, Virginia, April 1995, conspiracy to
distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine and
cocaine base, conspiracy to engage in money laundering, making
false statements to an agent of the United States.

Pardons (59):

--Jimmy Lee Allen, Everton, Ark., September 1990, false
statements to agency of United States.

--Virgil Lamoin Baker, Swansea, Ill., July 1959, violation of the
Military Training and Service Act.

--Garran Dee Barker, North Little Rock, Ark., December 1986,
conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud.

--Nancy M.  Baxter, Vansant, Va., May 1990, tax evasion and
filing a false amended tax return.

--Charles N.  Besser, Chicago, October 1985, mail fraud.

--Harlan Richard Billings, Stonington, Maine, August 1985,
conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute is excess of
1,000 pounds of marijuana.

--Edward Raymond Birdseye, Chico, Calif., May 1992, unlawful use
of a communication facility.

--Roscoe Crosby Blunt Jr., Shrewsbury, Mass., April 1945,
Fraternization, Article of War 96.

--Charles Edward Boggs, Paragould, Ark., October 1977, receiving
a stolen motor vehicle which was part of interstate commerce.

--Terry Coy Bonner, Hambleton, W.Va., July 1986, possession of an
illegally made destructive device.

--Alfred Whitney Brown III, Covington, La., June 1992, illegal
sale of wildlife by allowing hunting over a baited field.

--William Robert Carpenter, McMillan, Mich., November 1991,
possession of marijuana with intent to distribute.

--Philip Vito DiGirolamo, Prunedale, Calif., June 1984,
conspiracy to import marijuana, willfully subscribing to a false
tax return.

--Peter Welling Dionis, Fort Lauderdale, Fla., May 1976,
conspiracy, importation, and possession with intent to distribute
hashish.

--Darrin Dean Dorn, July 1981, Iowa, conspiracy to damage
property by means and use of an explosive.

--Peter Bailey Gimbel, New York, February 1991, conspiracy to
distribute cocaine.

--Philip Joseph Grandmaison, Nashua, N.H., March 1996, mail
fraud.

--Joe Robert Grist, Abilene, Texas, June 1990, misapplication of
funds by a bank employee.

--LeRoy Kenneth Hartung Jr., Las Vegas, September 1986,
interception of wire communications.

--Joseph Riddick Hendrick III, Charlotte, N.C., December 1997,
mail fraud.

--Judd Blair Hirschberg, Chicago, July 1991, mail fraud.

--Robert Quinn Houston, Brandon, Miss., April 1986, conspiracy to
obstruct commerce by extortion.

--Martin Joseph Hughes, Rocky River, Ohio, November 1987, aiding
and abetting the falsification of union records, aiding and
assisting in the submission of false tax records, making false
statements to a government agency.

--Jere Wayne Johnson, Enid, Okla., September 1982, conspiracy to
defraud the U.S.  and Wield County, Okla., while serving as a
county commissioner.

--Michael Thomas Johnson, d'Iberville, Miss., January 1987,
filing false tax returns.

--Daniel Wayne Keys, Benton, Ark., September 1977, possession
with intent to distribute marijuana.

--Larry Ray Killough, Searcy, Ark., June 1985, unlawful
distribution of prescription drugs.

--Jack Kligman, Philadelphia, August 1985, conspiracy and mail
fraud.

--Hector Osvaldo Labagnara, Beach Haven, N.J., January 1976,
conspiracy to transport stolen motor vehicles in interstate
commerce, to receive and sell stolen motor vehicles, to transport
false vehicle registrations in interstate commerce, and to
receive and dispose of false vehicle registrations; receipt and
sale of stolen motor vehicles.

--Moses Jubilee Lestz (for

[CTRL] IRS, tax-exempt status and free speech

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http://www.freedomforum.org/news/2000/12/2000-12-27-03.htm

IRS Internet review worries tax-exempt groups

By The Associated Press

12.27.00

A quiet Internal Revenue Service examination of how to apply the tax law
restrictions for
tax-exempt organizations to the groups’ Internet Web sites has raised an alarm.
Some groups fear
the move could lead to excessive government intrusion and stifle free speech.

IRS officials, who published a notice in October seeking comment on the issue,
say they’re merely
considering whether to modernize laws that affect some 1.3 million entities
exempt from taxes
under section 501(c) of the tax code.

But others aren’t so sure.

“This request raises many concerns,” said House Majority Leader Dick Armey,
R-Texas. “The idea
of turning the tax man into a Net cop would have a chilling effect on free
speech on the Internet.”

Section 501(c) covers a wide range of tax-exempt organizations, including
religious institutions,
charities, foundations, public service entities and nonprofit groups. Those that
qualify for Section
501(c)(3) can accept tax-deductible contributions but can’t engage in political
activity. They can
take part only in “insubstantial” lobbying. In addition, there are rules
regarding income from
activities such as advertising, fund-raising and issue advocacy.

In its low-profile notice, released Oct. 16, the IRS asked for comment on a host
of questions about
how these rules translate to the increasing use of the Internet. Some tax-exempt
organizations have
raised concern that the IRS could hold them accountable� — and possibly
revoke their
tax-exempt status for their Web page links to political groups or for statements
made in Web
newsgroups or chat rooms.

“I am very concerned with the IRS proposal because of the difficulty I would
have with policing
links from the site,” said Jim Harper, who runs a 501(c)(3) privacy-policy site
called Privacilla.org.
“I would easily have more than 1,000 links, each of which the IRS could find to
be ‘advocacy’
because of the content on the other end.”

Another 501(c)(3) group, the Citizens’ Council on Health Care, which is based in
St. Paul, Minn.,
said in an e-mail that the IRS could produce rules that would “seriously limit
public discourse and
freedom of speech. Even if the Web site is eventually found to be innocent of
the IRS charge,
damage to the organization will be extensive.”

But officials with the Treasury Department say the idea for updated IRS
guidelines originated with tax-exempt groups themselves, including Independent
Sector, a coalition of leading nonprofit and philanthropic groups, and the
American Bar Association’s tax section.

Washington attorney Pamela Olson, chairwoman of the ABA tax section, said the
rules are “an
area where we definitely need guidance. I think Treasury is listening closely to
the comments.”

Judy Kindell, IRS tax law specialist in the exempt organizations division, said
the intent is to apply
existing law for tax-exempt groups to new practices made possible by the
Internet. The IRS, she
said, is not attempting to enact new restrictions or rewrite the law.

“We’re not trying to broaden our authority at all. We’re just trying to do our
job and move it to
the Internet age,” Kindell said.

Some of the negative comments, she added, “go back to the underlying
prohibition, not what
happens when you take existing activities and move them to the Internet.”

The IRS will accept comment on the issue through Feb. 13, and it is possible
officials will decide to
take no further action. If new guidelines are developed, Kindell said, it could
take months or even
years before they are finalized.






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[CTRL] GUN OWNERS RESIST REGISTRATION LAW

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http://www.postnet.com/postnet/news/wires.nsf/National/DDDBC1F3624912A2862569C3001C36CD?OpenDocument


GUN OWNERS RESIST REGISTRATION LAW

Dec. 27, 2000 | 11:14 p.m.

By JASON KANDEL c.2000 Los Angeles Daily News

LOS ANGELES -- With just three days left to register assault weapons under a new
state law, only
10,000 gun owners have done so, and some said they plan to move their firearms
out of state.

Racing against the deadline, several gun groups including the National Rifle
Association said they plan to go to court this week to seek a delay, saying the
law is vague and has not been publicized well enough.

But Attorney General Bill Lockyer said he is confident the law would survive a
court challenge. The law -- the toughest of its kind in the nation -- requires
owners of assault weapons with specific features to alter, destroy, register or
turn them in by Sunday.

Lockyer said he believes more assault weapons should be registered by now.

"We didn't have any expectations because no one knows exactly how many of these
types of guns are in private hands. We estimate there are a larger number, though."

Enforcing the law depends wholly on gun owners' cooperation.  Failure to
register could bring a fine of $500 or more and from 16 months to three years in
state prison.

"No one's planning to go knock on doors and search for something.  We recognize
the owners have
pre-existing property rights," Lockyer said.

The law, authored by state Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland, is intended to strengthen
the 1989 Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Act, which limited models of assault
firearms, and further defines an assault weapon based on characteristics.

The law now defines assault weapons as semiautomatic rifles, pistols and
shotguns with detachable magazines and that have features including:

!bbox! A forward pistol grip or one sticking out from beneath the weapon.

!bbox! A thumbhole stock.

!bbox! A folding or telescopic stock.

!bbox! A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

!bbox! A flash suppressor.

Also, semiautomatic pistols are covered by the law if they have certain
features, including a second
handgrip or a shroud that protects the shooter from getting burned.

In absence of registering an assault weapon, an owner must disable it
permanently, surrender it to law
enforcement, sell it to a licensed assault weapon dealer or move it out of state.

"We're trying to dry up the pool of assault weapons," Lockyer said.

In protest of the law, some gun owners are moving their guns out of state, an
act permitted under the
new law.

"They just don't want to deal with the government bureaucracy," said Jim Brown,
an employee at the
Pony Express Sports Shop in North Hills. "Many will take their guns out of
state. Many will just not
register them."

Others are trying to figure out exactly what the law means to them.

"We've been getting about a dozen calls a day. This law is vague. It's political
symbolism at its worst,"
said Steve Helsley, spokesman for the National Rifle Association. "It's referred
to as a ban. This is a tax
bill. You have to pay the state a fee, and fill out a form to continue to
lawfully possess your property."

An attorney for the NRA said the law is confusing, and that gun owners should
have another year to
register.

"Firearms laws are becoming as complicated as tax and environmental laws," said
Chuck Michel, a Los
Angeles lawyer representing various gun advocacy associations, business owners
and gun owners.

"The difference is that the average gun owner doesn't have a lawyer in the
closet standing by to give
advice like a corporation that is subject to environmental and tax laws does.
The result is accidental
felons."

Lockyer said the allegation is baseless.

"The confusion is part of the legal strategy of the NRA," Lockyer said. "They
try to convince judges
that it's unconstitutional because of vagueness and confusion. So far the courts
have not bought that
argument."

The state Department of Justice has advertised the law in newspapers and on
radio, as well as having
alerted gun dealers and conducted public hearings.

Previous efforts to register assault weapons have survived legal challenges.

As a result of the 1989 law, more than 62,000 weapons were registered in a
27-month period in
1991-92, officials said.

In August, the state Supreme Court upheld the registration of types of AK and
AR-15 assault weapons
identified in the 1989 law. Those weapons must be registered by Jan. 23.

Law enforcement and gun control advocates support the law, and agree the best
solution to firearms
violence is enacting laws at the federal level.

"There is no other law like this in the country that's this strong," said Lewis
Tolley of the Los Angeles
branch of Handgun Control Inc., which works to enact gun control legislation in
the United States.

"But in order for this law to work most effectively, it would need to be a
national law. As long as
someone can buy assault weapons in every state around Cali

[CTRL] Fwd: Nostradamus translations by Sollog. The Prophecies of Sollog. US School Shootings info. Columbine, Jonesboro, Springfield, Littleton. Death of Princess Diana and JFK Jr. Bible Codes. GOD.

[Aleisha Saba]

So Sollog and Randi - Randi has offered a million bucks for a long time,
but he does not pay up when someone scores a hit by prophecy especially
when carried out by assassins bullet?  Like JFK and Reagan, and RFK and
Wallace ...so what else is new.

Here is full text of Sollog - think he is Mafia connected?   Has
intelligience connections or has he studied the assassins so long he
feels the pulse of the mentors and those who fulfill the predictions
some call "prophecies".

As the old King said in I Kings...did I not tell you he would
prophecy no good to me, only evil.

And that is the way it goesthey are back..and he uses the
prophecy crap ..nothing worse than a false prophet with a back up
consisting of black pullets from the East or Torpedos from Michigan or
NYC.

Is it all in the game?   Didn't we all know these bastards would even
get little John John and the Princess of Wales?   So what do we end up
with but the Ugly People both inside and out.

Sabaso here is the entire line of crap.   So who will set off
the volcanos?They are still selling gems from Mt. Helenewho had
right to sell same?




http://www.sollog.com/

Re: [CTRL] Crime and Punishment

[mirage]

-Caveat Lector-

Also, with the DoD panel relegating GWI to the ravages of 'stress', all GWI
victims are restricted from gun ownership.  The VA do whatever they can to
elicit responses that indicate "stress" so that diagnosis will go on the charts
of GWI sufferers.  And who wouldn't be stressed if they feel sick,  getting no
help, but instead prescriptions for damaging brain clogging anti-depressents,
while being tracked by the DoD and VA, those agencies complicit in the mass
poisoning of our own military forces?  Apparently the DoD has requested all the
records of the stressed veterans and they are being viewed and used by the DoJ.
There's more information on this at Joyce Riley's gulfwarvets.com.


For more on GWI see:  http://www.gulfwarvets.com/article.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/brain.htm

The current infrastructure of the many laws is such that it is rare (if ever)
that any person is not 'guilty' of some crime for which they could be
prosecuted/persecuted if they were deemed worthy of 'legal' harassment, i.e.,
threatening —  so we have plenty of available 'legal' charges which can be used
as a tool for disrupting and or destroying the lives of 'enemies' of the
corporate plutocracy's imposed status quo.

'We the People' are the commodities sold by our government 'authorities' to the
highest bidders, with many plans in the works for us to be implemented by
bioengineering.  As far as they're concerned, your life belongs to them.  Your
future,  your health, your lifespan, even your dreams, will be engineered to
suit their interests and agendas.

This can be changed, but only if awareness increases and people quit bickering
over moot points and false media promulgated political partisanship battles.
But it seems that petty bickering is such an entertaining and false-ego
fortifying pastime that most can't get beyond it to unite in a common effort to
stop their common enemies.  Looks to me like one for the Darwin awards.

~ /\/\

Those who can ask, still ask the question, "Do I think people in this country
are capable of genocide?" One can only say, take the time to ponder who
perpetrates and prospers from the 20 million deaths per year from cancers and
diseases, from chemicals in the food and water, from starvation, from
sterilizations, from microwave pollution, etc., etc., much of which can be
traced to purposeful malice. This is the reason there are no publications for
investigative reporting left in America. This year, four or five such
publications were bought out by Rockefeller or went out of business, and it was
not from a lack of things to report of the need to be informed.
>From transcript of Mae Brussell’s broadcast from KLRB, Carmel, California on
August 4, 1978.

"Jayson R. Jones" wrote:
RE: Gun law traps unmeant targets
> >By Amy Worden,INQUIRER HARRISBURG BUREAU
> >Federal law prohibits anyone from buying or possessing a weapon who
> >was convicted of a crime that carried a penalty of more than one year in
> >prison.
>
> With so many "crimes" now carrying more than a year in jail (as well as
> forfieture of property), a legal system that lets prosecutors indict a
> rock, draconian manditory sentence laws that insure a plea bargain on a
> lesser charge, and a missguided "Lock em all up forever" mentality, who
> will be left to own a gun?  Or vote?  Or get a good job? Or get a student
> loan?  We have a "crime problem" more due to everything being made
> illegal and punishable, than from the effects of real crime.  A 0.8 DUI
> law
> that, in many states also carries forfieture of your vehicle, costs you
> all your rights.  Possession of 1 marijuana cigarette costs you
> all your rights.  Hiring a prostitute costs you all your rights.  Playing
> poker in your livingroom costs you all your rights.  Any sex other than
> vaginal costs you all your rights.  Here in Eugene Oregon dumping a pie
> on the head of the Mayor (assault) costs you all your rights.  Think
> about it folks.  This is our legal system in action.  It is not only your
> right to Keep and Arm Bears that you lose.  It is the right to vote.  It
> is the loss of any chance at a good job.  It is getting grants and
> scholarships for education.
>
> >Several lawmakers say they are exploring legislative remedies.
>
> Yup, putting more gobblety-gook in the books.  The remedy is repeal the
> laws, rules and regulations that nullify the freedoms and rights given us
> in the Constitution.
> Grumpy Ol' Jayson
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[CTRL] Fwd: Welcome to The Temple Of 'Hayah.

[Aleisha Saba]

So Sollog is at it again and predicts only he calls it "prophecies" (for
none dare call it propaganda) that within 72 hours there will be 7.0
earthquate in mid east.

So we have volcanos about to blow and unless energy released some way
presume earthquakes nd volcanos cause problems about the same time and
consider too, our own government aided and abetted by Russia has means
to bring down the ice age upon us, and to cause earthquakes.

February 5 - could be a very bad date too.for movers and shakers.

So read this stuff and wonder - who is Sollog?   Well ask any scientist
of major importance about earthquakes - and oh, what a way to calm down
the people who are rioting in the Holy Land.how long does Clinton
have now to perform a miracle?

Going to scare the hell out of someone with al this crap..but lets
find out who is really responsible for the Siberian Clipper - and sure
as hell is not God - it is the Red Star of Satan?

MIR out on control?   STILL remember in 1977 the big Siberian Clipper
coming into Ohioa little 8 year old boy was so cold he could not get
into his house, and for a week his litle body was in snowbed outside his
own door, as police were searching for him.suddenly, a big Russian
satellite blew up over Canada and things normalized.

For some of his weather is not an act of God for it is now, Food and
Weather as a weapon against the people.

Hope somebody gets these bastards before they do any more harm.

So much for the real terrorists..strange, even hit Arkansasbut
then Clinton is not wanted there any more, nor is his bell bottomed
wife.

Saba




http://www.sollog.com/toh/join.shtml

[CTRL] AGAIN THE MILLENNIUM

[K]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.antiwar.com/stromberg/s122600.html

The Old Cause
by Joseph R. Stromberg
Antiwar.com
December  26, 2000
Western Civilization: Love It Or Leave It
AGAIN THE MILLENNIUM

Today we stand just a few days this side of the real thousand-year
mark, that is, midnight 31 December 2000.  You knew I wasn't
going to let that go, didn't you?   I still wonder why all the calendar-
challenged classes insisted on having a big song and dance last
year, but can't be bothered, it seems, to notice that January 1,
2001 is more than an ordinary New Year's Day.  The Brits even
built an insane Millennium Dome, which no one admits to liking, for
last year's premature party.  I suggest moving it to the fairgrounds
of one of our Midwestern States.   You could get a lot of grain and
cattle into that thing.

The reason why the New Millennium was welcomed in the wrong
year may be the same reason a lot of things happen when they
do.  Sir Ernest Gellner, the sociologist, once referred to the "postal
error theory of history," which may not have been original with him.
This theory held that, by some terrible mistake, the liberating,
revolutionary message meant for the working classes had been
handed over to sundry nationalist movements, with deplorable
results.  Of course,  where the message did get in the "right"
hands, even more damage was done, but why quibble?  Historians
still shed a conventional tear about what happened to poor Rosa
Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, but don't these historians know
what the comrades wanted to do?   Evidently, the "social changes"
envisioned by the comrades were just the thing, but at the end of
the 20th century we ought to know better.

METAHISTORY, QUIGLEY, AND ‘CONSPIRACIES'
Metahistorians like Oswald Spengler, Arnold Toynbee, Pitrim
Sorokin, and Carroll Quigley sought to find the processes by which
civilizations rise and decline.  The first three were rather gloomy –
reacting in part to the civilizational disaster known as World War I
– although Spengler did dare us to throw those historical dice.
  It's just as well that he died before various historical actors threw
them in the disaster known as World War II.

One of the players in World War II, Uncle Joe Stalin, had a
metahistorical doctrine of his own, to which he contributed a
number of turgid essays even less readable than those of Lenin
and Trotsky.  On Joe's orders, as orchestrated by a Stalinist
professor of anthropology at Columbia University, Trotsky met with
assassination.  No wonder no one trusts anthropologists any
more.  Anyway, Stalin's historical doctrine held that if everyone
gave up control of everything to his regime, in time everyone would
have strawberries and cream, after which this horrible regime would
"wither away."  Even at 20 million plus deaths this seemed a good
deal to many people.  Others understandably resisted and under
cover of helping out, the other Uncle – Sam – made his bid for
world dominance.

Buoyed up by their own sense of competence, Yankee ingenuity,
and American know-how, our northeastern elite built a world empire
on which the sun has not yet set.  They didn't notice, or didn't
much care to notice, that in the process they had deconstructed
their own country.  Perhaps they just thought of it as a convenient
  place to stand while carrying out their good work.  I only wish
they had presented it clearly to the voters: "Support the empire,
destroy your way of life, you'll feel better when it's all over."  I'll bet
there wouldn't have been as big a consensus, had they done so.
So they said, instead: "Give us total power to stop the commies
and we'll give it back later.  Trust us."  Many people did trust
them.  H. L. Mencken long ago addressed why that might be.

PHASES OF CIVILIZATION

In a roundabout way, this brings us back to Quigley.  The Evolution
of Civilizations (Indianapolis: Liberty Press, 1979 [1961]) is
probably his most important book.  In this work Quigley sought to
find the developmental pattern of civilizations.  Very briefly, he
spied seven phases in the life of any civilization which lasted long
enough to go through the full set.  These are mixture, gestation,
expansion, conflict, empire, decay, and invasion.  These phases
are not "given" to observation but are generalized from what we
know about past civilizations.  There is no predictive science here,
nor does every civilization go through all seven stages.  Constituent
states within a civilization might so weaken the civilization through
constant warfare as to skip the empire phase, going straight from
conflict to decay and invasion.  A civilization in one of the first two
phases might run up against another in its expansion phase and
simply succumb.

Quigley believed that Western Civilization had, in effect, recycled
itself three times.  Uniquely, it had gone through three expansion
phases based on feudalism, merchant capitalism, and industrial
capitalism, respectively.  Each expansion phase had kindled a
confli

[CTRL] 'Machine' Politician Exposed By Photos

[William Shannon]

'Machine' Politician Exposed By Photos  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52767-2000Dec26.html
By Gene Weingarten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 27, 2000; Page C01 

First, don't panic. There is probably a good explanation for the mystery of the photographs, something that does not threaten the enslavement and/or extermination of mankind.
There has to be a benign explanation. I just haven't found it yet.
The first photograph appeared in The Washington Post on Dec. 18. In it, the president-elect stands behind and to the side of Condoleezza Rice, his nominee for national security adviser. George W. Bush is slightly out of focus. His head is cocked to the left and tilted slightly backward, his mouth downturned in a perfect cartoonish crescent, the way a first-grader might draw a frown. His eyes are squinty.
The next photograph appeared in this paper two days later. In it, the president-elect stands behind and to the side of Alberto R. Gonzalez, his choice for White House counsel. George W. Bush is slightly out of focus. His head is cocked to the left and tilted slightly backward, his mouth downturned in a perfect, cartoonish crescent, the way a first-grader might draw a frown. His eyes are squinty.
It is not a similar pose; it is an identical pose. It is not a similar expression; it is the identical expression.
Both photos were sent to me via e-mail by Post reader Adam Shannon, and at first I suspected chicanery: that as a joke, Shannon had altered one or both of them in a Photoshop process. But no, Post archives confirmed that both had been published.
Then the third photo appeared in The Post two days later:
The president-elect stands behind and to the side of Ann Veneman, his nominee for agriculture secretary. George W. Bush is slightly out of focus. His head is cocked to the left and tilted slightly backward, his mouth downturned in a perfect cartoonish crescent, the way a first-grader might draw a frown. His eyes are squinty.
Identical. Different tie, identical pose.
Now I suspected chicanery of a different sort. Could The Post have violated its own hallowed standards for accuracy by ginning up these photos from old stock, to cover for lazy or drunken photographers who missed their assignments? Or something?
Then the fourth photo appeared. This was in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Bush, with his new EPA chief, Christine Todd Whitman. Cocked head. Backward tilt. Crescent frown. Squint.
Then, The Baltimore Sun. The New York Times. The Washington Times. Bush, with his nominee for treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill. Squints! Frowns! First-graders! Tilt!
Then, El Nuevo Herald in Miami. ¡Ceños! ¡Cortaduras! ¡Estrabismos! ¡Cabezas inclinadas!
I felt I was losing my mind.
Adopting a background pose of requisite gravity is evidently a tricky thing for a new president: In 1993, when Bill Clinton had to appear beside his new nominees, this very newspaper commented how similar the president-elect looked in the photographs: It was the birth of his famed lip-bite pose. But those photos were fraternal twins of each other. These new ones are clones. What could explain this?
It occurred to me that it might not be Bush in these photos at all. The president-elect is a busy man these days, forced by circumstance to collapse his interregnum into a few weeks. Perhaps he hasn't the time to attend all these ceremonial events. Perhaps what we are seeing is a stand-in, one of those cardboard cutouts you can pose with on the street around the White House.
I telephoned J. Scott Applewhite, the Associated Press photographer who took that first excellent picture of Bush and Condoleezza Rice. Is it possible, I asked him respectfully, that he was fooled by a cardboard cutout?
"A cardboard cutout?"
Yes, I said hopefully.
"It was Bush," he said.
You sure?
"I am absolutely certain. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said it was Bush in my caption."
Hm.
I asked: How is your eyesight?
Silence.
"It does the job," he said, a little stiffly.
I admit I was pressing, but I was desperate. The only alternative scenario I had was the one I did not wish to visit.
Adam Shannon, the Washington communications consultant who first brought this matter to my attention, had a theory of his own: The Bush we know, the Bush we see, the Bush at the debates, the Bush on the campaign trail, the Bush we elected, the Bush whom J. Scott Applewhite and others have been photographing, is "an animatronic robot."
A machine?
"It's a fusion of a servo-motorized biofidelic shell and a sophisticated artificial intelligence module," Shannon theorizes.
What we are seeing in these photos, he postulates, is "a machine that has defaulted into standby mode." At a press conference in which attention is directed elsewhere, he said, the robot would "go into a temporary shutdown state in which it assumes a preprogrammed pose while waiting its turn to reactivate and begin speaking."
Let's follow this through to its logical conclusion. The most powerful human on Ear

[CTRL] ADVANCED GEOPHYSICAL WARFARE

[BR Wahl]

-Caveat Lector-

28 DEC 2000 :  It looks as though fedbeast will
shortly be learning a lot more about advanced
geophysical warfare!  They've asked for it!!
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[CTRL] Fwd: End-2000 Alert: John Ashcroft, Clemencies, Hemp Regs

[William Shannon]

*
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Rapid Response Team
*

End-2000 Alert:  John Ashcroft, Clemencies, Hemp Regs
-
   12/28/00

Dear friend of drug law reform:

As the year winds to an end, with Congress in recess and many
of you on vacation, drug reformers are faced with not one, or
even two, but three urgent action items -- as well as a little
bit of good news.  Please take a few moments to call Congress
and the President this week -- it could make all the
difference in the coming year!

URGENT ACTION ITEM #1:  John Ashcroft

As you may have read in mainstream news accounts, Sen. John
Ashcroft, who was defeated for reelection in Missouri by the
late Gov. Mel Carnahan, has been nominated by George W. Bush
to be the next US Attorney General.  It is vital that his
nomination be opposed.  John Ashcroft is one of the most
ideologically extreme drug warriors, and his appointment would
spell trouble for sentencing/prison policies, medical
marijuana, needle exchange, racial profiling, you name it.  We
will be publishing much more information about him in
tomorrow's issue of The Week Online with DRCNet, and will be
issuing detailed action alerts, by January 4th when the new
Senate is sworn in, for opposing him on a state-by-state
basis.

In the meantime, please call your two US Senators and ask them
to oppose the controversial John Ashcroft nomination.  You can
reach your Senators (or find out who they are) by calling the
Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121.  You can also
visit http://www.senate.gov to look up their web sites and
find out their direct numbers in Washington and their local
phone numbers and locations in your state.  Make an in-person
visit if you can!

URGENT ACTION ITEM #2:  Save Industrial Hemp

Drug warriors at the DEA and ONDCP are trying to ban a whole
range of products made with industrial, non-drug hemp.  Their
motivation, ostensibly, is that hemp interferes with drug
testing and creates false positives, causing problems with
federal drug testing programs more complicated.  Really, they
are simply committed to a bizarre ideology that considers hemp
a drug, even though you can't get high with it.  But in doing
so, they are attempting to administratively rewrite 63 years
of US law that clearly makes an exception for low-THC hemp in
the marijuana laws.  Their actions threaten to make a
perfectly legal, fledgling industry and its patrons all
victims of the drug war.

What is happening is that DEA is planning to publish three
"interim rules," which would immediately become effective
while they go through the longer process.  First, the DEA
proposes to change its interpretation of existing law to bring
hemp products within the purview of the Controlled Substances
Act; second, to change DEA regulations to agree with the new
interpretation; and third, to exempt traditional hemp products
not designed for human consumption, such as paper and
clothing, from being subject to the Controlled Substances Act.
(See http://www.drcnet.org/wol/165.html#hempembargo for
further information on the looming Hemp Embargo.)

For the rules to become effective, several federal agencies
have to sign off on them.  The so-called Dept. of Justice has
already done so, but they still have to go through Customs,
Treasury, Commerce, and the Office of Management and Budget.
Please call your US Representative and your two US Senators;
ask them to oppose the DEA's illegal hemp regulations and to
put pressure on these agencies to reject the regulations.
Again, you can reach all three of them via the Congressional
Switchboard at (202) 224-3121, or look up their DC and local
contact information and locations via http://www.senate.gov
and http://www.house.gov on the web.

URGENT ACTION ITEM #3:  Appeal to Clinton for More Clemencies

Less than an hour after the last issue of The Week Online with
DRCNet was published, the news came out that President Bill
Clinton had granted clemencies to two prisoners whose names
are well known to drug reformers:  Dorothy Gaines and Kemba
Smith, now home with their families.  That's the good news;
read more about it in tomorrow's issue.

The action item is to urge Clinton to release more such
prisoners.  There are hundreds of thousands of nonviolent drug
offenders in the nation's penal institutions, tens of
thousands of them in the federal system over which Clinton has
jurisdiction.  It is wonderful that Dorothy and Kemba have
gotten to go home, but two is not enough!

In particular, the 350+ "safety-valve" prisoners should be
released.  These are people who would likely be free today if
they had been sentenced after the passage of the 1994 Crime
Bill, which allowed judges to reduce the sentences of certain
drug offenders 

[CTRL] Fwd: Elitist Sentiments Threatening Liberties

[Aleisha Saba]

Interesting Item - under labor "bosses" note name of Jerry Wurf - I met
that guy prior to death f JFK for he was taking over AFSCME then -
Arnold Zander was out and Wurf, CFR traitor, was in.my old friend
Joe Gilphalin, an organizer with Zander - later his house was set on
fire and he and his wfe, died -then later Jock Yablotski was murdered
with his wife anddaughter...

Wurf, had a limp which he used to his advantage and the sleeze took over
the Union using sanitation workers - thugs.

About that time we had a near riot in the Union headed by BA Stanley
Petrosky - who told me Wurf, was a comunist - and he had fought him in
NYC years before

This happened under CFR govenors in waiting and since this time,
Democrats nearly folded in Ohioone of these traitors told me "we
need the structure of the party"   and I inquired, why?
So this Wurf is one who invited MFL to his death and MLK died for Dues
Checkoff for Sanittion workers.

Leonard Woodcock was the other traitor who sold ut his unions - you see
what they have done to working Americans - try to buy anything made in
America today?   Other than fast fods.

Where were the Unions when the big jobs moved overseas..and did they
ever really have a Buy American rally?

Little late now..we are becoming servants in our own country to low
browed comunists.

Saba

 .
GOLDWATER SEES ELITIST SENTIMENTS
THREATENING LIBERTIES
By U.S. Senator Barry M. Goldwater
Reprinted in part from F.R.E.E.
(Fund to Restore an Educated Electorate)
Box 8616,
Waco, TX. 76710
Johnny Stewart, Director
Membership List

GOLDWATER SEES ELITIST SENTIMENTS THREATENING LIBERTIES
By U.S. Senator Barry M. Goldwater (1979)
"In September 1939, two members of the Council on Foreign Relations
visited the State Department to offer the council's services.
"They proposed to do research and make recommendations for the
department without formal assignment or responsibility, particularly in
four areas - security armaments, economic and financial problems,
political problems, and territorial problems. The Rockefeller Foundation
agreed to finance the operation of this plan.
"From that day forward, the Council on Foreign Relations has placed its
members in policy-making positions with the State Department and other
federal agencies. EVERY SECRETARY OF STATE SINCE 1944, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF JAMES F. BYRNES, HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.
"Almost without exception, its members are united by a congeniality of
birth, economic status and educational background. The organization
itself began in 1919 in Paris when scholars turned their attention to
foreign affairs after the end of World War I. It remains a
non-governmental private grouping of specialists in foreign affairs.
"A NUMBER OF WRITERS, disturbed by the influential role that this
organization has played in determining foreign policy, have concluded
that the council and its members are an active part of the communist
conspiracy for world domination.
"Their syllogistic argument goes like this: THE COUNCIL HAS DOMINATED
AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY SINCE 1945. ALL AMERICAN POLICY DECISIONS HAVE
RESULTED IN LOSSES TO THE COMMUNISTS. Therefore, all members of the
council are communist sympathizers.
"Many of the policies advocated by the council have been damaging to the
cause of freedom and particularly to the United States. But this is not
because the members are communists or communist sympathizers. This
explanation of our foreign policy reversals is too pat, too simplistic.
"I believe that the Council on Foreign Relations and its ancillary
elitist groups are indifferent to communism. They have no ideological
anchors. IN THEIR PURSUIT OF A NEW WORLD ORDER, THEY ARE PREPARED TO
DEAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH A COMMUNIST STATE, A SOCIALIST STATE, a
democratic state, a monarchy, an oligarchy - its all the same to them.
"THEIR GOAL IS TO impose a benign stability on the quarreling family of
nations through merger and consolidation. THEY SEE THE ELIMINATION OF
NATIONAL BOUNDARIES, THE SUPPRESSION OF RACIAL AND ETHNIC LOYALTIES, as
the most expeditious avenue to world peace. They believe economic
competition is the root cause of international tension.
"Perhaps if the council's vision of the future were realized, it would
reduce wars, lessen poverty and bring about a more efficient utilization
of the world's resources. To my mind, THIS WOULD INEVITABLY BE
ACCOMPANIED BY A LOSS IN PERSONAL FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND RE-ESTABLISHMENT
OF THE RESTRAINTS THAT PROVOKED THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
"When we change presidents, it is understood to mean that the voters are
ordering achange in national policy. Since 1945, three different
Republicans have occupied the White House for 16 years, and four
Democrats have held this most powerful post for 17 years. With the
exception of the first seven years of the Eisenhower administration,
there has been no appreciable change in foreign or domestic policy
direction.
"THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT TURNOVER IN PERSONNEL. BUT NO CH

[CTRL] Fwd: {slick-d} Fw: [APFN] FW: [Strait_Truth] Fw: The Fable of the Ducks and Hens

[Aleisha Saba]

So the Duck stops here.have duck dinner.




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Subject: The Fable of the Ducks and Hens


THE FABLE OF THE DUCKS AND HENS
by George Lincoln Rockwell


Many, many years ago,
When animals could speak.
A wondrous thing the ducks befell,
Their tale is quite unique.

Down by a pond dwelt all these ducks,
Ten thousand at the least.
Their duckish joys were undisturbed
By any man or any beast.

One day down near the entrance gate,
There was an awful din.
A hundred hens all out of breath
Were begging to come in.

"Oh let us in!" these poor birds cried,
"Before we do expire!"
"Tis only by the merest inch
That we escaped the fire!"

Their feathers burned, their combs a droop,
They were the saddest sight.
They'd run a hundred miles or more,
All day and then all night.

"Come, come in!" the ducks all quacked,
"For you our hearts do bleed!
We'll share our happy lot with you,
Just tell us what you need!"

And so these poor bedraggled hens
Amongst the ducks moved in.
For, after all, the ducks declared,
"We're sisters 'neath the skin."

Before too many months had passed,
The hens were good as new.
They sent for all their rooster friends,
And these were welcomed too.

o please their host, these chickens tried
To waddle and to quack.
To simulate the duckish ways
They quickly learned the knack.

This pleased the flock of ducks because
It gratified their pride.
.But hear my tale and learn how they
Got taken for a ride.

The ducks, it seemed, spent all their time
In fixing up their place,
In growing food and building homes
And cleaning every space.

They asked the hens what they would do
To earn their daily bread.
"We'll teach and write and entertain,
And buy and sell," they said.

And so these hens began to teach
The baby ducks and chicks.
They traded food and eggs and things,
With many clever tricks.

They wrote great books & put on shows,
Of genius they'd no lack.
It wasn't long till chickens owned
The Duckville Daily Quack.

One day a mother duck who took
Her ducklings to the lake,
Was flabbergasted when one said,
"A swim I will not take!"

"Why ducklings always swim!" she gasped,
"It's what you're built to do!
Like bunnies hop, and crickets chirp,
And cows most always moo!"

"Your just old fashioned, a fuddy duck,
That stuff is all old hat!"
"It's wrong for birds to swim; ...besides,
It's too cold on my little pratt!"

"Oh fie!" the mother duck exclaimed,
"You're talking like a fool!"
Up quacked the other ducks and said,
"He's right! Ms. Hen taught us that in school!"

"Such things must stop!" the mother cried,
"Those hens can't teach such lies!"
"For sheer ingratitude and nerve,
I'm sure this takes the prize!"

.But she was wrong, for even then
The hens did thump the tub.
Demanding they be let into,
The Duckville Swimming Club.

"But you don't swim!" the ducks all cried,
To join, why should you care?"
"That's not the point!" the hens replied,
"To exclude us isn't fair!"

The younger ducks, who'd been to school,
Agreed right there and then,
"To keep them out is bigotry!"
"T'would just be ANTI-HEN...!"

Outnumbered by the younger ducks,
The old ducks soon did loose;
They agreed to let the hens all in,
If they would pay the dues.

That night the Duckville Daily Quack
Contained this banner spread:
"Reactionary Ducks Are Licked!
DUCKVILLE MOVES AHEAD!"

Down at the Duckville Gaiety,
The younger set laughed with glee,
At cracks about "Old Fuddy' Ducks"
In burlesque repartee.

Next day the hens were at the club,
A petition they'd sent around.
They objected to the swimming fund
With fury and with sound.

"You use our dues to fix the pond,
to keep it neat and trim."
"And this is wrong," they said, "Because
You know we do not swim!"

"God help us!" cried a wise old duck,
"These chickens have gone mad!"
"We'll take this to the court, by George,
And justice will be had!"

But when they went up to the judge,
Imagine their dismay!
A CHICKEN-JUDGE decreed that they
Had a heavy fine to pay!

"Minorities must have their rights!"
The judge declared right then.
"To use hen's dues to fix the pond
Is very ANTI-HEN...!"

Once more the Duckville Daily Quack
Emblazoned across the page:
"Old Foggy Ducks Refuse to See
The Great New Coming Age!"

In Duckville church on Sunday morn,
The preacher spoke these words,
"Discrimination's got to stop!
Remember we're all birds!"

The wisest duck in all the town
Sat down in black despair.
"I'll write a book," he thought, and then
"This madness I will bare!"

"Let Swimmers Swim, let Hoppers Hop,
Let Each One Go His Way.
Let No One Coerce a Fellow Bird!"
Was what he had to say.

"Twas wrong to force the hens to swim
So here's the problem's crux;
It's just as bad for hens to try
To chicken-ize our ducks

[CTRL] AP: Japanese Town Claims Tomb of Christ

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Associated Press
December 26, 2000

Japanese Town Claims Tomb of Christ


SHINGO, Japan (AP) - Nearly 2,000 years ago, a man fled for his
life from the Middle East, crossing Siberia and Alaska before
living out his days in this snowbound hamlet in northern Japan.

The tale is fanciful enough, but even more so when townspeople
tell you the name of the visitor they say is buried here: Jesus
Christ.

This strange historical theory is founded on a radical rewriting
of the Christian belief that Jesus was crucified, resurrected
three days later and then rose to heaven - all in Jerusalem. It
has its roots in shaky archaeology and shadowy local customs some
say came from the Holy Land.

Many officials here disavow the theory, but nevertheless, some
10,000 people visit the Shingo burial site each year. Perhaps
it's because the legend fits in with the fascination in Japan -
where fewer than 1 percent of the people are Christians - with
such trappings of Christianity as Christmas and church weddings.

The Jesus-in-Japan theory first emerged in the 1930s when
researchers claimed to have found a ``will of Christ'' - the
original of which was lost during World War II - indicating that
Jesus was buried in Shingo. Later, a burial mound believed to fit
the theory was found in the village about 370 miles north of
Tokyo.

According to the story, Jesus came to Japan in his early 20s,
studied Japanese culture and religion and then returned to Judea
when he was 33 to begin his ministry. He was never crucified -
having switched places with his younger brother Isukiri - and
managed to flee across Siberia to Alaska and on to Japan by boat.

In Shingo, Jesus is said to have married, had three daughters and
lived until age 106.

No one has actually ever burrowed into the mound to study its
contents, as far as town officials know.

Townspeople are reluctant to profess much belief in the story.
But the town is not resisting its fame - or the money tourists
bring with them.

The hamlet has held a ``Christ festival'' every June since the
early 1960s at the mound, where a signboard declares the tomb
``holy ground.'' In 1997, a small exhibition hall was built
nearby.

On display there is the other half of the Jesus in Japan story:
Exhibits on age-old Shingo customs that the villagers say
indicate an ancient link with the Middle East and Christianity.

Displays include a doll of a child with a cross painted on its
forehead, which officials say Shingo villagers used to do to
infants. Traditional clothes in the exhibit are hung with Star of
David emblems.

One display tells the story of a village chant that is
meaningless in Japanese, but is supposedly derived from an
ancient Hebrew song. The museum says the town's former name,
Herai, comes from the word Hebrew.

Mitsuru Takahashi, a liquor store owner who sells ``Christ
hometown sake'' and tea cups with crosses on them, said he isn't
sure about Jesus really being buried here.

``But I wonder if there is someone great in that tomb, someone we
should respect and praise,'' he said.

Some say the grave might be that of a leader of the Ainu, the
indigenous people who inhabited the islands before the ancestors
of today's Japanese arrived from the Asian mainland. Another
theory raises the possibility that the tomb holds the body of a
missionary who came to the remote north to escape a crackdown on
Christians in Japan in the late 1500s and early 1600s.

The nearest Roman Catholic priest, the Rev. Marcel Poliquin, a
Canadian who has been in Japan for 40 years, looks at the legend
with amusement.

``It's just a way of attracting tourists, making money,'' he said
in Towada, about 45 miles from Shingo. ``I say it as a joke:
`Christ died in my parish.'''


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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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> This is classic, the application of ILLOGIC principals to disprove
unwanted assertions. UFO debunkers are the experts at this and it goes
like this:

 > 1. Y made statements A-X in tract Z.
 > 2. Statement A can be proven false.
 > 3. Therefore statements B-X are all false.

I said no such thing. I said "is suspect," not "is false." These are
quite different things. Don't put words in other people's mouths. It's
dishonest.

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[CTRL] Boy Scouts

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:01:51 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>http://www.archaeology.org/curiss/newsbriefs/boyscouts.html
>Anti-Gay Policy Sparks Concern of Archaeologists
>By ELIZABETH J. HIMELFARB
>In October, a subscriber to the historical archaeology internet
>discussion list HISTARCH fired off a spam (the "e"-equivalent of
>junk mail) to the entire list, lamenting the withdrawal of
>funding the Scout stance had engendered, adding, "...the Scouts
>have refused to cave in to the pressure of 'politically correct'
>groups who despise the fact that the Scouts stand for faith and
>morality!"
>
>Recipients of the message seized the opportunity to note the
>effect the ban on gays has had on the archaeological community.

>A flurry of messages followed, some advocating that
>archaeologists withhold support from the Scouts. Others took a
>different approach. "As a private organization, it is appropriate
>that the Boy Scouts should lose the support of tax dollars,"

This Pro Boy Scout spam also showed up on the archaeology list I am a
denizen of (SUB-ARCH, a specialized list for Underwater Archaeology).  It
met with criticisms because it was out of place on that, or any other
professional list.  Our individual personal feelings on the matter were
beside the point.  The effect of the Boy Scout ban has had NO DISCERNABLE
EFFECT on Archaeology.  It is an internal issue for the Boy Scouts to
deal with.  It is up to those who contribute to the Boy Scouts to
evaluate how the decision to ban gays affects them, and decide for them
selves whether to continue to contribute money.  Personally, I think the
Boy Scouts made a decision that they had every right to make.  They must
also, like everyone else, live with the consequences of that decision.  I
don't think there is much to whine about.
Jayson

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Re: [CTRL] : Hospitals told to treat patients' pain

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:15:36 -0600 Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>HEALTHBEAT: Hospitals told to treat patients' pain
>By LAURAN NEERGAARD
>The Associated Press
>12/26/00 12:48 AM
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) -- When you enter a hospital, you have a right to have
>your pain properly treated.
>That sounds so common-sense, yet millions of Americans suffer every
>day because pain is routinely ignored or undertreated.

>Many doctors hesitate to prescribe opioids, which are heavily
>regulated because they can be abused by addicts. But for people who have
never
>abused drugs and have no history of psychological problems, hardly any
become
>dependent on pain medicine, Miaskowski said.

>So what's state-of-the-art treatment? For moderate to severe pain from
>acute illness or surgery, expect a short-acting opioid like Percocet, or

>morphine in a patient-controlled quick-dose pump. For cancer, expect a
>long-acting version of morphine or oxycodone, or a fentanyl skin patch.

>For chronic pain not due to cancer, new guidelines recommend similar
>opioids.

>Methadone is an alternative when those drugs fail.

>Doctors also are trying antidepressants and antiseizure drugs like
>gabapentin for patients with nerve-related pain.

>And relaxation and hypnosis help, too -- but shouldn't replace proper
>medication, Miaskowski stresses.

I participated in the Governor's Inquiry into Chronic Pain here in
Oregon.  What was made abundantly clear is that there is an effective
alternative to these drugs that has no toxicity threshold, has no
addiction problems, has few unpleasant side effects, and is a naturally
occuring plant that is affordable to everyone.  That led to the passage
of the Medical Marijuana Law.  Why anyone would not try it before trying
these other much more dangerous drugs is directly attributable to the War
on Drugs hype.  So far 9 states have made this step.  Here in Oregon, the
average age of those holding Medical Marijuana cards is 47years old.
The major speakers against the use of marijuana were more concerned that
the patient may "enjoy" the medication.  Many on the panel openly
questioned the validity of this arguement;  that a patient may derive
pleasure from a medication, as well as relief from pain, is no reason to
withold that medication.
Jayson

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[CTRL] voting

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:15:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>We want “paper ballot, handcounted” systems under the control of the
>citizens themselves in each voting precinct.

After listening to many proposals, I think I have to agree.  The Canadian
system seems to work well.  Paper ballots with big fill-in-the-circle
next to each candidate or issue.  Numerous counting places so that no one
person has to count very many ballots.  Bottom-up reporting.  No exit
polling.  All polling places across the country open and close at the
same time.

>And we want ONLY eligible residents to vote – which means that voters
must register >30 days in advance, so that postcards with “address change
requested” can be
>mailed out by each county Board of Elections to catch those who do NOT
live
>at the addresses they gave, or who have moved or died.

Here in Oregon we have a totally vote by mail system.  This was the first
year of it's implementation in a national election, and there were few
bugs even though the reporting was slow.  I have to say that I like vote
my mail very much, and I think it would solve some of the issues you
bring up.  We have to register in advance, the ballots are mailed out to
an address.  If you procrastinate, or desire, there are polling places to
go to.  The state is a very active initiative state, and there are always
initiatives to look at.  One thing that makes life for the voter easy is
that the state publishes a book (sent to each registered voter) that
gives the wording of the proposition, an interpretation by the government
as to the economic costs (if any) and the effect of the proposition.  Pro
and Con arguements of one page may be paid for by interested parties.
The candidate has a self descriptive page as well as paid for pages by
supporters/detractors.  With vote by mail we can sit at home, read the
information and vote carefully.  I think it is a very good system, but
there are detractors (and I'm sure we will hear from some).

>Jim Condit Jr.,
>Director, Citizens for a Fair Vote Count

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[CTRL] Crime and Punishment

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:15:05 -0800 mirage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>
>Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer
>Tuesday December 26 07:45 AM EST
>Gun law traps unmeant targets
>By Amy Worden,INQUIRER HARRISBURG BUREAU
>Federal law prohibits anyone from buying or possessing a weapon who
>was convicted of a crime that carried a penalty of more than one year in

>prison.

With so many "crimes" now carrying more than a year in jail (as well as
forfieture of property), a legal system that lets prosecutors indict a
rock, draconian manditory sentence laws that insure a plea bargain on a
lesser charge, and a missguided "Lock em all up forever" mentality, who
will be left to own a gun?  Or vote?  Or get a good job? Or get a student
loan?  We have a "crime problem" more due to everything being made
illegal and punishable, than from the effects of real crime.  A 0.8 DUI
law
that, in many states also carries forfieture of your vehicle, costs you
all your rights.  Possession of 1 marijuana cigarette costs you
all your rights.  Hiring a prostitute costs you all your rights.  Playing
poker in your livingroom costs you all your rights.  Any sex other than
vaginal costs you all your rights.  Here in Eugene Oregon dumping a pie
on the head of the Mayor (assault) costs you all your rights.  Think
about it folks.  This is our legal system in action.  It is not only your
right to Keep and Arm Bears that you lose.  It is the right to vote.  It
is the loss of any chance at a good job.  It is getting grants and
scholarships for education.

>Several lawmakers say they are exploring legislative remedies.

Yup, putting more gobblety-gook in the books.  The remedy is repeal the
laws, rules and regulations that nullify the freedoms and rights given us
in the Constitution.
Grumpy Ol' Jayson

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:26:17 -0500 flw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>>Capitalism:  You hire me to build a fence on your property
>>to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We
>>sign a contract. I build the fence as directed.  You provide
>>the compensation as directed.  Where is Government 'depended upon'?
>>--MJ

>Don't make the mistake to equate modern captalism with the Free
>Market.
>Modern capitalism as practiced throughout the world is State
>Capitalism.

>State Capitalism can be defined as an unholy alliance between
>Corporate Interests and their political servants to use the police power
of the
>state to manipulate the Free Market for their own self interest.

A skunk by any other name still smells.  No matter what you call it, what
we have is NOT a free market.  What we have is Corporate America running
the country, and in the proposed George II administration Corporate
America is taking control directly.  "What's good for (was it GM or
Chrysler) is good for America."  thinking is dominate.

> For example, the FDA is a tool of the drug corporations, essentially a
means to
>destroy competition and monopolize the prescription drug industry.

A good and timely example.

>The very concept of a "corporation" is anti free market. A
>"corporation" is an artificial construct which is a creature the State.
It is a legal
>fiction. The history of the modern corporation can be traced to special
licenses >granted by the King to his favorites. Any state regulated
entity that insulates the >owners of that entity from personal liability
(i.e. a "corporation") is by definition anti
>Free Market.
>flw

I think you are preaching to the choir here.  The trick is how to get Joe
6pack to understand this, and then motivate him to take some action.

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Re: [CTRL] Shalala won't implement prescription drug law

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On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:15:15 -0600 kl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new law aimed at cutting prescription drug
>>prices by allowing them to be reimported from Canada won't be
implemented
>>by Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala.
>> In a letter Tuesday to President Clinton, Shalala said the law had
>> "serious flaws and loopholes."

>Looks like the pharmaceuticals have another big fish in their pocket.

Their pockets are full of fish from both sides of the aisle.

>The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
>construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
>--9th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

I'm heartened that others remember this often overlooked Amendment.  The
big battles are fought over the !st, 2nd, and fourth amendments that
actually define rights.  Those rights not enumerated in the Constitution
are long gone.  That is the tragedy.  We lost them by default.  This is
the 'death by a thousand cuts' that puts us in the position of having to
fight like hell to retain those actually named.  We get so hung up on the
question "Why shouldn't (this or that) be illegal (legal)?" that we
forget the even more basic question "Why should (this or that) be illegal
(legal)?"  It is the small laws, rules and regulations that bind us in
everyday life that we don't give a thought to.  Rights and freedoms start
in your own home.  If you are not free there, as we are not, then you
have no meaningfull rights or freedoms left.
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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> -Original Message-
> From: Nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:03 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
>
> When you catch a guy in a bald faced lie, everything else he says,
> especially in then same article, is suspect.
>
This is classic, the application of ILLOGIC principals to disprove
unwanted assertions. UFO debunkers are the experts at this and it goes like
this:

1. Y made statements A-X in tract Z.
2. Statement A can be proven false.
3. Therefore statements B-X are all false.

It was bullshit the first time Philip Klass and his cohorts used it
and it's still a bullshit technique.

But it continues to be used because it works.

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[CTRL] Jackson-Watchers Claim Wall Street Contributors Arranged His Phone Call to Bush

[Michael Pugliese]

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(From the Village Voice)
Jackson-Watchers Claim Wall Street Contributors Arranged His Phone Call to
Bush
Is Jesse for Sale?
by Peter Noel


Downcast Wall Street investors whose fears had been focused on a slowing
economy demanded that Reverend Jesse Jackson curtail his blistering attacks
on George W. Bush. These financiers arranged the controversial phone call
that Jackson made to the "president-select" shortly after Al Gore conceded
the race, key business figures told the Voice. Corporate moguls contribute
heavily to Jackson's Wall Street Project, an economic-development program
intended to persuade New York's financial leaders to steer big-business
bucks
to minority communities and entrepreneurs. The Project is, in fact, the Wall
Street office of Jackson's Rainbow-PUSH Coalition. "These guys on Wall
Street
aren't Democrats or Republicans—they're capitalists," says one investor.
"When they saw the tide turning, some of Reverend Jackson's top contributors
put a call in to him." Jackson did not return Voice calls for comment. Even
before the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in favor of Bush on the night of
December 12, Jackson was promising to "take to the streets" with a "civil
rights explosion." Prior to his phone call, Jackson had compared the Supreme
Court's ruling to the 1857 Dred Scott decision in which the Court declared
that blacks, slave or free, did not have the rights of citizens. After the
Supreme Court ruling, Jackson said he rejected Bush as the successor to
President Clinton "with every bone in my body and every ounce of moral
strength in my soul." He also said that "to lose by racial targeting is
dishonorable." With Wall Street having factored in a Bush victory, sources
in
the financial community say, it was only a matter of time before major
movers
and shakers muzzled Jackson and other Gore loyalists crying thievery. "These
contributors told Reverend Jackson, 'You better hold this down because we
won't back you anymore if you are adverse to the new administration in
Washington,' " a financial insider claims. "They said, 'We certainly can't
give you the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and all these other perks
if you are out there taking shots at a president we now have to lobby to get
what we want.' My understanding is that they told Reverend Jackson, 'You
better call Bush.' " The source adds that one business figure also told
Jackson he would call Bush "and tell him to take your call." On December 14,
Bush took a call from the civil rights leader. They talked about "healing
the
nation and bringing it together," according to a Bush aide. Bush offered to
meet with Jackson "for further discussions on election reform" in the
aftermath of allegations that black voters were unfairly treated in some
Florida voting precincts. The next day, Jackson, appearing on NBC's Today
show, said of Bush: "It is his burden to bring some closure to that
[allegation] in some fair and open way." That Jackson could be pressured by
Wall Street investors to scale down his rhetoric intrigued a civic leader
who
is a close associate. "Why would Jesse make the call? Why would Bush accept
the call?" he asks. Without confirming that is exactly what happened, this
Jackson supporter adds, "There must be somebody who is bigger than both of
them to put that together." Some in the black activist community are
steaming
over Jackson's phone call. They use words like "sellout" and "race merchant"
and "two-faced" to describe the nation's best-known civil rights activist.
One even asked, "Who's betraying Dr. Martin Luther King?" Jackson, one
incensed black leader declares, believes that the civil rights movement
marches to his dictates. None of the Congressional Black Caucus members or
any civil rights leaders contacted by the Voice was aware that Jackson had
planned to talk to Bush. Asserts one exasperated politician: "He didn't
touch
base with anyone." A source says that Florida congresswoman Corrine Brown
was
particularly outraged by Jackson's "shameful turnaround," which seemed to
dampen anti-Bush sentiments built up during the postelection crisis. Brown
and Jackson had filed a lawsuit claiming that blacks in Duval County were
denied the right to vote because they didn't have registration or photo-ID
cards, and were not permitted to present other forms of identification
allowed under state law. "She didn't know that he was going to make the
call," the source insists. "Just out of nowhere he makes this call. Why? He
had to protect his own interest." What would Al Sharpton do if Bush calls
him? "I would not meet with Bush alone," says the leader of the Harlem-based
National Action Network. "There has to be an agenda that the black
collective
agrees with. Clearly, I'm not looking to be part of the Bush
administration."
The black nationalist community, traditional Jackson foes, is abuzz with
condemnations of what it views as Jackson's latest political perfidy. "He is
a continuing embarrassment to the race," decla

Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

> You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and
> feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each
> other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the
> article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and
> a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it.



When you catch a guy in a bald faced lie, everything else he says,
especially in then same article, is suspect. Horowitz's account of mass
media's distortion is as distorted as the mass media itself. It is
important to distinguish between local coverage and national coverage.
The men who decide what gets national coverage and what the spin will be
are mass mind control artists of the first caliber. Yeah, they do under
report Black racist crimes. This is an extremely minor problem compared
to their other distortions, omissions and outright lies. More
importantly, it also seems only to bother a very few people, people with
a very specific agenda. Why are these people not equally upset over the
free ride that corporate criminals get in the mass media? Why are they
not outraged at the mass media's government financed propaganda for the
War On (Some) Drugs?  Why don't they throw one of their famous hissy
fits when (yet another) Republican gets caught with his hand in the
cookie jar? 

We can only speculate. I suspect that it is because they are closet
racists. 

Speaking of Republicans caught with their hand in the cookie jar, check
out:

 http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/32.html

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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hmmm... greetings michael, regardless of your ill humoured and somewhat
aggresive reply to my query about what the passage refers to, i ask you
again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. i do not have a belief to
support in this instance- but i was surprised and interested in the vehement
replies.
you are obviously frustrated by the suggestion made, but i do not understand
why. so please tell me what it *does* mean- i am genuinely curious as i had
not known about it before.
i know you are very interested in the constitution and i respect the
knowledge you have of it and so far i have been putting your aggression
regarding the suggestion down to not suffering fools gladly. is that the
case?
maybe the theory about the 3/5scalculation being anything to do with slaves
is totally wrong- but i would appreciate you clearing up what it does
actually refer to. i mean, i know you said it is only about representation-
but surely you can expand on it a little bit more because to the untrained
eye- it certainly looks like it is referring to the representation of
another group of people- and slaves seem the obvious choice due to their
omission from the list of people.

but Mumpsimus, please understand that it is no surprise that people allege
your association with- or even that you may be Dick Jones- your prose style
is interestingly similar and i am wondering that if the allegations are true
regarding either your real identity (if it is assumed)- or your association
with dick and the boys then maybe *you* have a belief system to protect
when you argue that the constitution is in no way relating to slavery in the
quoted passage. please enlighten me if you wish.

and one last thing- why do you even bother to split hairs regarding
"english" and "english language"? it is so wet of you to do that, very close
to basing any return arguement on the spelling mistakes i may make rather
than what i am trying to communicate to you- which you fully understood, of
course.

and wait until you can use the english language properly- rather than the
bastardised (not bastardized) "american english" before you begin to lecture
me on my language.
kind regards
c.

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> -Caveat Lector-
>
> c.
> since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english-
you
>
> MJ
> There is no such thing as 'english' -- basic or otherwise.
>
> Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise
> that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United
> States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation
> inclusive.  What is referenced is simply a formula for determining
> House Representation -- no more, no less.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
> and conscientious stupidity.   -- Martin Luther King, Jr
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[Nessie]

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>Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise
that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United
States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation
inclusive.  What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House
Representation -- no more, no less.


House Representation is determined by the number of human beings living
in a district. The Constitution said count them all except "Indians,"
and count slaves as only three fifths. If one counts human beings for
any purpose, and some human beings only count for three fifths of a
human being, how is that different from counting some human beings as
only three fifths of a human being?

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[CTRL] Fw: SN1062:MoD 'monitoring' health checks on Kosovo soldiers

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 5:37 
AMSubject: SN1062:MoD 'monitoring' health checks on Kosovo 
soldiers>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Health/2000-12/soldier281200.shtml>> 
MoD 'monitoring' health checks on Kosovo soldiers>> By Kim 
Sengupta>> 28 December 2000>> The Ministry of 
Defence is "closely monitoring" investigations beingcarried> out by 
its Nato allies into whether soldiers were exposed to dangerous> levels 
of depleted uranium in ammunition used by US forces in Kosovo.>> 
Spain is the latest country to announce that it is carrying out tests on> 
soldiers who served in Kosovo. All 32,000 who went to the Serbian 
province> will receive medical checks.>> Italy and France 
are carrying out similar checks, and Portugal has decided> to send 
scientists to Kosovo to check radiation levels on spent rounds.>> 
The Dutch government is considering an inquiry into the possible 
effectsof> depleted uranium on soldiers who served elsewhere in the 
Balkans.>> The United Nations sent a team to Kosovo last month to 
carry out its own> inquiry into the effects of depleted uranium (DU) and 
is expected toreport> its findings in February.>> The 
Ministry of Defence said yesterday that although it was carrying out> 
research on weapons containing DU, no tests had been carried out 
onBritish> soldiers who served in the Kosovo Force (KFor). But a 
spokesman added: "We> are very interested in the various investigations 
being carried out and we> shall be closely monitoring 
them.>> "There are no tests on soldiers planned at the moment, but 
that does not> mean none will be carried out in the future. We are open 
to any evidence> which is presented to us.">> Around 1,400 
British ex-servicemen who served in the Gulf war areregistered> as 
suffering from Gulf war syndrome. Another 469 have died. 
Campaignerssay> exposure to DU is partly to blame. The British 
Governmentmaintains that> there is no evidence of a link.>> 
In March this year Lord Robertson, the Nato secretary-general, told the 
UN> secretary-general, Kofi Annan, that around 31,000 rounds of 
ammunition> containing DU were used by American A-10 ground attack 
aircraft in Kosovo.>> A Pentagon spokesman said this week that 
there had been no outbreaks of> illnesses linked to DU, such as 
leukaemia, among US troops who served inthe> Balkans. The US Defense 
Department has said that rounds containing DU> carried no greater health 
risks than conventional weapons.>>>   news | 
UK  | Health  
Up>

[CTRL] Fw: Serbs infuriated at extensive power cuts (AP, Dec. 27)

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: TiM Publisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TiM Readers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:54 AM
Subject: Serbs infuriated at extensive power cuts (AP, Dec. 27)


>
> FROM PHOENIX, AZ - FOR FAIR USE ONLY
>
> Further to our yesterday's TiM Bulletin update - thought you'd be
> interested in this Associated Press report.
>
> DOS(ta) already?
>
> It didn't take long for the Serbs to wake up and get angry at the (DOS)
> devil they chose and cheered - not so long ago. Too late. Too bad.
>
> But as one TiM reader from Serbia noted today, "as for the elections, I
> hope that Djindjic and his revolutionaries realize that 4.5 million people
> did not vote for them, either by voting against or by abstaining."
>
> Bob Dj.
> -
>
> Serbs Infuriated at Power Cuts
>
>By Misha Savic
>Associated Press Writer
>Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2000; 1:39 p.m. EST
>
>BELGRADE, Yugoslavia -- With traffic lights failing,
> frozen foods
>thawing in grocery stores and people struggling to keep
> warm,
>Yugoslavia's worst-ever energy crisis is prompting many
> people to
>question whether the new democratic leadership can't at
> least keep the
>lights on.
>
>Officials of the new government appealed Wednesday for
> people to be
>patient with eight- to 10-hour blackouts - common in
> neighboring Albania
>or the province of Kosovo, but previously unheard of in
> Yugoslavia's main
>republic of Serbia.
>
>Some Yugoslavs grumbled that things were better under
> autocratic
>President Slobodan Milosevic, who was ousted following
a
> contested
>election in September and riots in Belgrade on Oct. 5.
>
>"I knew that we couldn't expect a fast improvement
after
> Oct. 5," said
>Milovan Radisic, 57, a retired factory worker. "But I
> didn't expect things
>would get worse."
>
>The long power cuts have affected virtually everyone in
> the country.
>
>Long queues formed Wednesday in front of supermarkets
> and department
>stores in the capital. Harried cashiers were scrambling
> to tally customers'
>bills by hand with only the dim light of candles. A
> crowd in the southern
>city of Nis burned tires in protest.
>
>The interior ministry issued an appeal Wednesday for
> motorists to take
>extra care on the roads because many traffic lights
were
> not working.
>Extra policemen were called out to keep order on busy
> streets where
>traffic signals had failed.
>
>"You wanted 'democracy,' now you got it," Dragoljub
Matic, a
>self-described Milosevic supporter, grumbled as he
> waited at a crowded
>bus stop.
>
>Serbia's deputy prime minister, Nebojsa Covic, tried to
> cast blame on the
>Milosevic's regime, which wielded power for 13 years.
>
>Covic told Belgrade radio and television stations that
> the Milosevic
>government had failed to maintain the power grid and
> keep up repairs on
>power stations. That was due in large part to the
> effects of years of
>international economic sanctions imposed on Yugoslavia
> because of
>Belgrade's role in fomenting ethnic wars in the
Balkans.
>
>Those sanctions made it difficult for the government to
> purchase spare
>parts and equipment from abroad.
>
>"A stable energy situation cannot be expected before
> spring," Covic
>admitted. "The whole system is extremely worn out."
>
>Yugoslavia's power system also suffered damage during
> last year's 78-day
>NATO bombing campaign, launched to stop Milosevic's
> crackdown on
>ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo.
>
>To make matters worse, a protracted drought in the
> Balkans, which began
>in the summer, has reduced water levels in the Danube,
> the Sava and
>other major rivers, severely limiting hydroelectric
output.
>
>Yugoslavia and other Balkan countries are tied together
> in a regional
>power grid, which allows them to import electricity in
> times of need.
>However, because of high demand elsewhere and
Belgrade's
> severe
>economic problems, officials say imports make up only
> about 20 percent
> 

[CTRL] Fw: SN1066:For All Russia, Biological Clock is Running Out

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Elich, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'siemvesti' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: SN1066:For All Russia, Biological Clock is Running Out


> New York Times
> December 28, 2000
>
> For All Russia, Biological Clock Is Running Out
>
> By Michael Wines
>
> RYAZAN, Russia - If Ina Chaikovskaya does not have it all, she has more
than
> most women in this ancient military town: brains and pluck, an apartment
and
> a Zhiguli sedan bought with profits from her own business, a pointed wit.
>
> What she does not have, and would like, are a husband and children. At 37,
> she is running out of time.
>
> "There are no normal men," she complained, curled up in jeans and a
sweater
> on a sofa, her companion - a 7-month-old orange tabby cat - staring out
the
> balcony window. "They've all got an inferiority complex because they can't
> earn enough money to support a family. All of them live with their
mothers.
> They all earn 1,000, 1,500 rubles a month," $35 to $55, roughly.
>
> "Who would want to bear a child with a man like that?" she asked.
>
> In Ryazan, a struggling industrial city southeast of Moscow, the answer is
> clear: hardly anybody. In the last decade, the marriage rate here has
> plummeted 30 percent. The divorce rate has leaped 60 percent.
>
> Not surprisingly, the birthrate is down 40 percent, too.
>
> This is the flip side to Russia's decade-long epidemic of rising
mortality:
> a baby bust of alarming speed and size, winnowing the nation's population
by
> millions - and likely to continue for years. Europe's highest- fertility
> country just a decade ago, Russia today is right down there with Spain and
> Italy as the lowest.
>
> New births last year in Russia occurred at the rate of 8.4 per 1,000
people,
> compared with 13.4 in 1990. Put another way, Russia's fertility rate - the
> average number of babies a woman is expected to bear - was just 1.17, down
> from 1.89 in 1990.
>
> The outlook, then, is for a shrinking, aging population when there is a
> crucial need for young people to rejuvenate Russia's farms, re-energize
> industry and rebuild the economy.
>
> The twin trends - rising deaths and declining births - are both rooted in
> the social and public-health upheavals that have swept the nation since
the
> Soviet Union entered its death throes in 1991. Both trends have confounded
> experts, who expected them to be neither as serious nor as prolonged as
they
> have been.
>
> The country's health care has collapsed in the last decade, along with the
> people's health. Public hospitals and clinics are short of money and
> medicine; doctors earn near-poverty wages; infectious diseases like
> tuberculosis are epidemic.
>
> No one doubts the decay has fed a rise in mortality unparalleled in recent
> peacetime history. And no one believes this is merely a medical issue.
> Rather, it is a signal that poverty and stress are eroding the
government's
> ability to care for its own.
>
> Experts, including some at United States intelligence agencies, fear
> deteriorating public health could lead to political upheavals at worst, or
> aid emergencies at best.
>
> Low fertility is the norm in many Western nations, of course, thanks
largely
> to women's emancipation and widespread birth control. Even in Russia,
> birthrates crept slowly downward for decades before the 1990's.
>
> But the latest plunge is different: driven not by women's broader choices,
> but by the fact that many of their options - marital, medical, social,
> financial - have been all but obliterated by the earthquake that destroyed
> the Soviet Union.
>
> Some turnaround surely will occur, but when, nobody knows. Experts once
> believed that Russia's mothers would start bearing children again after
the
> upheavals of the early 1990's. Instead, Russia's birthrate fell another 10
> percent.
>
> By all estimates, the population will continue to shrink. Russia has
already
> lost 3.3 million people since its population peaked in 1992. It will lose
> tens of millions more, experts predict, regardless of whether births pick
> up. The only question is how many.
>
> According to projections prepared at the United Nations, Russia will
> contract in the next five decades from its current 145 million people to
121
> million, the level of 1960.
>
> One Russian demographer, Sergei Yermakov, of the Research Public Health
> Institute, says Russia could shrink to as few as 80 million people, 10
> million fewer than at the time of the Russian Revolution in 1917.
>
> "Children are being put off right now," said Sergei V. Zakharov of the
> Russian Academy of Sciences, perhaps the leading expert on Russian
> fertility. "They are going to end up being born. The question is how
many -
> two or three. But the answer to that question isn't clear."
>
> The Reasons Why
>
> Ms. Chaikovskaya does not think the birth drought will end soon. After a
> decade of social upheaval and povert

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] "Mentally Ill" Homeless In Phoenix, AZ

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

>The choice of incarceration or medication should be up to them. 





http://www.sfbg.com/News/35/13/13ill.html

Mad as hell

Advocates for mentally ill people battle forced "treatment" by cops and
docs. 

By Cassi Feldman

LAST APRIL WE got a phone call from a woman in San Francisco General
Hospital's psychiatric ward. The 33-year-old was panicky, but she
articulated her problem clearly: she was being held against her will.
During an argument with her boyfriend, she told us, he pulled a gun and
threatened to kill her. After fleeing with her son to a domestic
violence shelter in San Francisco, she filed a police report and sought
medical attention. The officer promised that he'd get a social worker to
find her a "safe place" to stay. She didn't realize that meant a
lockdown ward.

Perhaps the woman seemed distraught. But according to California law she
should only have been taken into custody if she were "gravely disabled"
or a danger to herself or to others. While it's unclear whether this
woman fit the criteria, her case reflects a worrisome trend. Local
mental health activists say the city is routinely locking people up in
hospitals and jails instead of offering mental health treatment on
demand.

"If it's not voluntary, it's not treatment," said Sally Zinman of the
California Network of Mental Health Clients. People who are forced into
psychiatric care, she says, are then much less likely to seek it on
their own. "You can't fill in the gaps in service with more forced
treatment."

Zinman and other "psychiatric survivors" say the vicious cycle of San
Francisco's mental health system starts with a profound lack of
services. According to San Francisco Community Mental Health Services,
50 percent of those seeking mental health treatment last year in the
city never received it. One of the only ways to ensure medical attention
is to act out: become suicidal or commit a crime of some sort. But that
inevitably results in a confrontation with the police, who have little
training on how to handle psychiatric crises. Mentally ill people end up
committed and medicated, often against their will; they get released in
a day or two, and the cycle begins again.

Treatment not jails

"Treat us, don't beat us," more than 50 mental health consumers and
their
advocates chanted at a Dec. 12 action outside City Hall. To underscore
the conflict, protesters held up signs bearing the names of mentally ill
people killed in police confrontations. People such as Solano Silvano, a
homeless man who was shot by members of the San Francisco Police
Department in 1997 for allegedly firing a shotgun at police. According
to the October 22nd Coalition's Stolen Lives project, Silvano sought
treatment for paranoia at five different San Francisco mental health
programs during one month shortly before his death.

"Police are trained to command and control," Jennifer Friedenbach of the
Coalition on Homelessness told the crowd. "Folks end up dead or
brutalized because police officers don't know how to approach people
having mental health crises."

To address this problem, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors
earmarked
$180,000 for fiscal year 1999-2000 to help develop a "police crisis
intervention program," to help officers respond to these calls.
Community organizations such as local mental health nonprofit Caduceus
Outreach Services, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, and the Coalition
on Homelessness designed a 40-hour curriculum covering such topics as
psychopathology, legal issues, developmental disabilities, and community
resources.

But the SFPD refused to implement the plan, claiming that the training
should be required for all officers, not just a special unit. Instead it
is considering a proposal by Dr. Forrest Fulton, director of the Police
Behavioral Science Unit, to train one entire station for 20 hours and
then devote the other 20 hours to nonlethal weapons training. According
to Fulton that could include the use of tear gas, nets, and rubber
bullets.

In a contentious Dec. 15 episode of KQED-FM's Forum, Caduceus director
Marykate Connor slammed Fulton for derailing the community proposal.
Fulton insisted that his curriculum would improve the safety of police
calls for both the mentally ill person and the officers involved. But,
Connor replied, "it's police officers training police officers. It has
nothing to do with a shift in focus and the difference in culture."

Reagan's scalpel

Today's emphasis on policing reflects years of disinvestment in mental
health treatment. California's desperate shortage of psychiatric
facilities dates back to the late 1960s, when then-governor Ronald
Reagan slashed 1,700 hospital staff positions and several state-operated
aftercare facilities. San Francisco never recovered and continues to
lose vital psychiatric services to deep budget cuts (see "The Budget Axe
Falls on Mental Health," 6/28/00).

Chance Martin, the editor of Street Sheet, has felt the cuts firsthand.
Years ago 

[CTRL] McVeigh Goes to Court Asking for Execution Date

[K]

-Caveat Lector-

McVeigh Goes to Court Asking for Execution Date
Thursday, December 28, 2000

AP/Wide World

Timothy McVeigh faces a competency hearing Thursday over his
request to end his appeals.

"I'm asking the judge to protect him against himself, order a mental
status exam and put him on a suicide watch," said Paul Heath,
who narrowly escaped injury in the bombing. Heath wants McVeigh
to spend the rest of his life in prison.

More at http://www.foxnews.com/national/122800/mcveigh.sml

This reminds me of the old tale of Br'er Rabbit and the briar patch.

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[ThePiedPiper]

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Blacks were not the only slaves!

It gave control to the north instead of allowing
the blacks in the south to have their voices heard.

So, carpet baggers took over the land and
kept all the people, not just the blacks
enslaved.

kl wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 27 Dec 2000, at 22:58, BB wrote:
>
> > You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and
> > feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each
> > other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the
> > article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and
> > a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it.
> >
>
> Thank you.  I was just about to post a similar thought.
>
> --
>
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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you -
 start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
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My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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[CTRL] Russian Journalists Targeted in Attacks

[K]

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Russian Journalists Targeted in Attacks
Corruption Investigator's Face Slashed

By Sharon LaFraniere
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, December  28, 2000; Page A16
MOSCOW, Dec. 27 -- Russian journalists are a worried bunch
these days.

In the past few months, the owner of the nation's only independent
television network was arrested for the second time. One of
Russia's most popular television commentators was pulled off the
air -- he says for criticizing President Vladimir Putin. A Moscow
newspaper was raided by the secret service after it published a
satellite photo of the sunken Russian submarine Kursk.
Yet even in this nail-biting context, the Dec. 16 attack on Moscow
reporter Oleg Luriye attracted notice. This was not because Luriye
is so well known; he is not, although his stories last year about
bribe-paying Kremlin contractors won him a modest reputation as a
digger.

The attack caused a stir because there seems to be no
explanation for it aside from Luriye's articles about corruption
among government officials, especially in the Kremlin. It was also
noteworthy because Moscow journalists, though subject to all
kinds of pressure, generally are not attacked with straight razors.
"It was a warning," said Luriye, sipping coffee in a restaurant last
week after his release from a hospital, where doctors stitched up
three slashes across his left cheek. "It was a demonstration of
power."

For Luriye's newspaper, the independent twice-weekly Novaya
Gazeta, it was the second assault on one of its journalists this
year. In July, a reporter who covered cultural affairs died after he
was beaten in the head with a hammer. Novaya Gazeta editors
said that reporter had apparently been mistaken for a colleague
who lived in the same building who was investigating allegations of
high-level corruption involving oil deals.

The assault on Luriye was another reprisal, said Yuri
Schekochikin, who is a deputy both to the newspaper's editor in
chief and to the head of the security committee in the lower house
of parliament. "I think this shows that the authorities are continuing
their policy of intimidating journalists," he said.

"I believe the attack . . . is typical of President Putin's press policy,
where there is room only for officially sanctioned . . . propaganda."
The Kremlin made no immediate response to Schekochikin's
comments.

Attacks on Russian journalists are not unusual. Oleg Panfilov, who
runs the Moscow Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations, said
he has counted 68 this year, including six involving Russian
reporters. Most attacks occur in the provinces, not in the capital,
and most are never solved, Panfilov said. Luriye was slashed, he
said, because someone wanted to silence him. He does not rule
out government officials, who he said "are slowly waging war
against journalists."

Luriye, 37, said he had just arrived home from a birthday party for a
friend when he was surrounded by four men. One of them closed
the garage door, shutting Luriye's wife inside. He said he offered
them his watch, wallet and car keys but that they showed not a
flicker of interest and said not a word. Only because his wife
backed the car out through the garage door did he escape greater
injury, Luriye said, adding that he suffered a concussion as well as
facial wounds.

Luriye said he suspects the attack was related to articles he
recently published accusing Alexander Voloshin, Putin's chief of
staff, of illegally enriching himself before he went to work in the
Kremlin through deals involving businessman Boris Berezovsky --
now the target of a criminal investigation. Voloshin has not
responded to Luriye's articles.

Three days before the attack, Luriye said, police officers came to
the newspaper's office and seized his files on Voloshin and
Berezovsky. The night before the attack, on a news program
broadcast by the independent television network NTV, Luriye
accused the Kremlin of singling out Putin's opponents for criminal
prosecution and ignoring allegations about Kremlin insiders.
Luriye said he does not expect the police to find his assailants. He
said officers busied themselves with forms and phone calls but left
the hat of one of his attackers lying in the snow, never tested his
clothes for blood and never dusted the garage-door handle for
fingerprints.

Asked what comes next, he said, "I continue to work." He will also
apply for a green card that would enable him to work in the United
States, he said, "just in case something happens again."
© 2000 The Washington Post Company


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[On ancient Athens]:  In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security.  They 
wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all - security, comfort, and freedom.
When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to 
them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility then 
Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. - Edward Gibbon

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[CTRL] Fwd: Two Views of Joseph Korbel ‹Father of Madelaine Albright, Mentor of Condoleeza Rice ‹and the Washington Post on Bended Knee

[Kris Millegan]

Two Views of Joseph Korbel ‹
Father of Madelaine Albright, Mentor of Condoleeza Rice ‹
and the Washington Post on Bended Knee
‹
Contents:
   1.) London Times ‹ "Art Theft": Joseph Korbel Steals Jewish
Art Treasures at the End of WW II, Flees to the U.S.

   2.) Washington Post ‹ Lavish praise for Joseph Korbel
‹
1.) ART THEFT
UNITED STATES
In the London Times
Albright's father
'took war loot to America'
by Matthew Campbell, Washington

March 30, 1999 - A WEALTHY Austrian family is threatening legal action
against Madeleine Albright, the American secretary of state, in an
acrimonious row over a priceless collection of paintings and antiques that
has its roots in the chaotic aftermath of the second world war.
In a hitherto unpublicised dispute, descendants of Karl Nebrich, an Austrian
industrialist, claim that Albright's father, Josef Korbel, a former Czech
foreign ministry official who was Jewish, stole millions of dollars' worth
of art and furniture from them, then fled with it and his family to America
at the end of the war.
Tired of endless brush-offs from an American lawyer acting for John Korbel,
Albright's brother, Nebrich's heirs are considering legal proceedings to
reclaim the property - including a collection of old masters - in what risks
becoming an embarrassing distraction for America's first female secretary of
state. 
"I cannot believe the American secretary of state enjoys eating with my
family's silver," Philip Harmer, a great-grandson of Nebrich, said last
week. "These things must be handed over to my family."
Albright fled from Nazism and then Stalinism as a child and has cited these
events as having shaped her world view. After escaping to London when the
Germans marched into Prague in 1939, her family returned to the Czech
capital in 1945, when Albright was eight. They found that several of the
family's Jewish relatives who had stayed behind had died in concentration
camps. A luxurious first-floor flat at 11 Hradsanke Street in Prague was
assigned to Albright's father as a reward for his services to the Czech
foreign ministry. It had been expropriated from the Nebriches, who, although
not members of the Nazi party, had lived comfortably as citizens of the
Reich during the war but then found themselves out of favour with the Czech
authorities when the war ended.
The Nebriches allege that Korbel took possession of paintings, silver and
antique furniture, though these were not included in the expropriation
order. "He took the lot, even the nails from the wall," said Doris Renner, a
daughter of Nebrich. When Korbel was appointed ambassador to Yugoslavia, he
moved his family - and, allegedly, the treasure trove of art - to Belgrade.
Three years later, however, Czechoslovakia's communists staged a coup and
Korbel, an opponent of the communists, was in danger. The family fled to
America, where he became a professor at the University of Denver.
The Nebrich family tried for decades to track a "Dr Korbel" in America. But
it was not until 1996, when Albright - then America's ambassador to the
United Nations - revisited her childhood home in Prague and spoke of her
happy memories, that the Nebrich family realised she was Korbel's daughter.
Harmer, acting for Nebrich's two surviving children - Renner, his
great-aunt, and Ruth Harmer, his grandmother - began bombarding Albright's
office with faxes, letters and lists of items allegedly taken by Korbel.
Among them were 20 paintings - including one by Tintoretto, the Venetian
master, and one by Andrea del Sarto, another of the most important artists
of the 16th century.
"You lived in our flat as an eight-year-old child and I am sure you will
remember some of the paintings mentioned on the attached list," Harmer wrote
to Albright in February 1997. He suggested a meeting. The response was not
promising. "You may wish to raise this matter with the government of the
Czech Republic," a State Department official wrote back.
After more faxes from Harmer, Albright handed the file to John Korbel, her
younger brother. Michael Jaffe, his lawyer, wrote to Harmer in October,
1997, saying: "There is no basis whatever for thinking that any artworks of
the late Ambassador Korbel came to him improperly."
Undeterred, Harmer flew to Washington last year to see the lawyer.
"Essentially he said we have no case and warned us not to make a noise since
this powerful woman is involved," Harmer alleged.
The lawyer declined to discuss the case last week and Korbel, who works for
the accounting firm Price Waterhouse Coopers in Arlington, Virginia, was
unavailable for comment.
Harmer is considering taking Albright, Korbel and their sister, Kathy, to
court. He was heartened recently by Korbel's reported acknowledgment to a
journalist writing a biography of Albright that at least some works on the
Nebrich list belong either to him or to Kathy. None of the paintings is
believed to be hanging in Albright's home in Georgetown, Washington.
Harm

Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

From: "Birds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The
> question was what Bush should doI said get killed.
> I did not say that I was going to kill  him.

What you said is enough to get a list closed down.


> I was making a joke which I thought was good.

It was pretty sick -- which explains why YOU thought it was good.


> This list just is not healthy for me.

So unsub.



> The only reason I stay on is the good information Kris gives and Smart
> News and and others with some real truths.

The only thing I've seen lately from 'Smartnews' is rehashing the same old articles 
about the McMartin
tunnels -- while pointedly ignoring the points I raised on the subject.



> It appears people are challenging
> the McMartin tunnels and how is it possible?

Who?

I've never questioned the tunnels, only pointed out that the people who went to trial 
are NOT the ones who
should be focused on.



> Anyone could build a tunnel who is strong enough.

Exactly.

Although it takes a fair amount of skill to build a complex of them, and never have 
the neighbors suspect
anything.  Also takes skill to build a complex of them that last for decades without 
collapsing.  Hardly
something capable of a weekend handyman.

Who poured those cement slabs, and why didn't anyone in the area notice?


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Re: [CTRL] : Hospitals told to treat patients' pain

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sounds wonderful.  Can you imagine hospitals worrying about patients' comfort
> instead of how much they can charge for their services?  Prudy

Sounds wonderful, but as has been pointed out on another list I belong to -- one for 
people suffering from
various immune-system disorders such as multiple-chemical-sensitivity -- where this 
topic has been discussed
for the past couple of days, there is a fear that this new law will be used as an 
excuse to treat patients
with psychopharmaceuticals.

It will be so much easier for busy doctors to prescribe meds that while they relieve 
pain, also effect the
mind, than in pursuing other less-invasive pain-relieving techniques.  It can also be 
an excuse to just
medicate a patient instead of spending the time to find the root cause of the pain.


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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]

[flw]

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>If capitalism is NOT an economic system void of Government
>intervention ... then what 'word' suits this ideal?
>Capitalism:  You hire me to build a fence on your property
>to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We
>sign a contract. I build the fence as directed.  You provide
>the compensation as directed.
>Where is Government 'depended upon'?
>--MJ

 Those who define the termswin the battle.

Don't make the mistake to equate modern captalism with the Free Market.

Modern capitalism as practiced throughout the world is State Capitalism.

State Capitalism can be defined as an unholy alliance between Corporate
Interests and their political servants to use the police power of the state
to manipulate the Free Market for their own self interest. For example,
the FDA is a tool of the drug corporations, essentially a means to destroy
competition and monopolize the prescription drug industry.

The very concept of a "corporation" is anti free market. A "corporation" is an
artificial construct which is a creature the State. It is a legal fiction. The history
of the modern corporation can be traced to special licenses granted by the King
to his favorites. Any state regulated entity that insulates the owners of that entity
from personal liability (i.e. a "corporation") is by definition anti Free Market.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  And this applies to conspiracy research...how?
>
> Notice the OT (Off-Topic) in the subject header?  You can delete OT's and
> sleep well knowing you didn't open a single post that doesn't pertain to
> conspiracy theory.

So why send it at all?  What was it about Jason Robards' dying that you thought would 
be of interest to the
majority of the subscribers to CTRL?


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Re: [CTRL] GW Bush Art: Where Satire Prevails

[Samantha L.]

-Caveat Lector-

  These spoof pics are hilarious!

http://gwbushart.port5.com/
(exerpts)

It is set, the Texas Toddler is going to Washington. Through a campaign of
misinformation, over 100 million in corporate big bucks, generous treatment
from the media, disenfranchising voters, special accommodations from GOP
office holders (Jeb et al.), poorly designed ballots and finally the right
wing faction of the SCOTUS selling out democracy, little Georgie Bush will be
installed next January. There are no laws requiring us to like it. And there
are no laws requiring us to refrain from mocking him

The ultimate purpose of this site is help people laugh in the face of the
political and ethical affront comprised by "Dubya Inc." It is our sincerest
wish your visit causes uproarious laughter to the point of temporary muscle
aches and spasms. If you enjoy the galleries, please tell all of your friends
and return often.
---
Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[PM Kansan1225]

In a message dated 12/27/00 11:46:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Subj: Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)
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Wow, now there's some conclusive evidence. Kansas, I think you need to re-evaluate what kind of spirit you are communicating with; beause it definitely is NOT the Holy Spirit. This is all a bunch of scare tactics and mysticism. This does not come from the Lord.
***

  Answer:  Here is some more food for thought:

    April 12

   October 12


***

 I tried to respond to J. Cone's question directly, but my reply did not
register at CTRL.  Here it goes:

 New Atlantis President William McKinley died on September 14, 1901.

 The twin Presidential evils of this millennial year, Bush and Gore,
clinched their Party nominations on March 14, 2000.

 The Presidential Farce contest between the twin evils was resolved on
December 13, 2000.

 Supermodel/actress Heidi Klum appeared on NBC's "The Weber Show",
a.k.a. "Cursed", on December 14, 2000.  She played the object of desire for a
heterosexual man and a Lesbian woman.

Re: [CTRL] The South Will Rise Again

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

By the way the Pope still will note concede that the earth moves about
the sun, and not the sun about the earththe circuits of heaven - Job
speaks of the circuit of the son...Galileo, according to the Pope,
was wrong..the sun rises in the east and goeth downeth in the
west

Kinda reminded me of Gore - refuses to concede that George Bush won the
election and those ballots have been manhandled so much that by now, who
the hell cares...

Been wanting to say this for some time -


BUSH WON..he is president elect but we have three Presidents now -
Bush, Gore, and Clinton.so Gore still believes he won..like the
Pope won't that guy ever admit,  the earth travels about the sun?

So Bush won, and I can't stand it any longerNah, Nah Na Nah Na.

Kismet.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] The South Will Rise Again

[Dale Stonehouse]

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> -Original Message-
> From: Aleisha Saba [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:00 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] The South Will Rise Again
>
> at his least, George Bush, is a
> gentleman C...who should not look back upon the sodomites and former
> tenants of the White House.
>
> There is nothing new under the sun - and as the Great Satan Clinton
> fades into the sunset, let us hope we never see the likes of him again,
> at least 50 years or so..
>
> For that which is crooked cannot be made straight - or can it.
>
I have at least a dozen books that detail the crimes of the Bush
family going back to before the second world war.

Either they are all lies, and many of them are written by former
officers in the U.S. military - or there is fire behind all the smoke.

The great national pastime seems to be keeping score. The notion
that some crimes and deceptions are "better" or "worse" than others is
symptomatic of our obsession with quantifying everything under the sun.

My evil politician is better than your evil politician. Not.

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[CTRL] The South Will Rise Again

[Aleisha Saba]

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Diligent Seekers of truth might appreciate this item...keeping in
mind that which is crooked cannot be made straight - remember Clinton
always and never make same mistakes twice

MNASON - Dligent Seeker of the truth.for we all know under term of
Clintons and GORE that the scum, also rises at times.our country has
sunk to bottom of bilge before - and at his least, George Bush, is a
gentleman C...who should not look back upon the sodomites and former
tenants of the White House.

There is nothing new under the sun - and as the Great Satan Clinton
fades into the sunset, let us hope we never see the likes of him again,
at least 50 years or so..

For that which is crooked cannot be made straight - or can it.

Saba

THE SEARCH FOR MEANING
by Ray C. Stedman

Ecclesiastes is one of the favorite books of the Bible for skeptics,
scoffers, atheists and certain of the cultists. The reason for that is
that there are certain passages in this book which seem to deny that
there is life after death, that it is all over when this life ends.
Atheists love to contend that the book of Ecclesiastes seems to confirm
that view. That is why they frequently quote from it. Hedonists love
this book too because it apparently endorses a rather Epicurean
lifestyle. Those who pursue pleasure as the chief aim of life -- and
there are a great many of them in this country today, as the United
States is probably more hedonistic than any nation that has ever existed
-- love the book because again and again throughout it we are exhorted
to an "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we must die" philosophy.
Then there are passages in this book which are the favorite texts of
those who declare that even if we survive beyond this life we enter a
period of quietness, a time when we have no knowledge or desires. This
teaching falls in line with those cultists who teach "soul sleep," i.e.,
that when the body dies the soul goes to sleep within the body.
But all of these groups fail to note what we must note right from the
beginning, that this book is an examination of secular wisdom and
knowledge. The book clearly states at the outset that it is limiting
itself to that which is apparent to the natural mind. One of the key
phrases of the book is the continual repetition of the words, "under the
sun." What does a man gain by all the toil at which he toils under the
sun?" Verse 3 asks. We find that phrase used again in Verse 9. That
is the limitation put upon this book.
Ecclesiastes is a collection of what man is able to discern under the
sun, i.e., in the visible world. The book does not take into
consideration revelation that comes from beyond man's powers of
observation and reason. It is an inspired, an accurate book. It
guarantees that what it reports is what people actually believe. but it
is an examination of those beliefs. The book is not merely a collection
of ancient philosophy, for what it talks about is very much up-to-date
and extremely relevant. Here is what you will hear propounded in soap
operas, in political speeches, in the radical or conservative movements
of our day. Here is what you will hear in the halls of academia, or on
the streets of any city. In this book the philosophies by which people
attempt to live life are brought into consideration and examined. That
is why Ecclesiastes is so practical and up-to-date.
The first three verses introduce the theme of the book:
The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
  vanity of vanities! All is vanity
What does man gain by all the toil
  at which he tolls under the sun? {Eccl 1:1-3 RSV}
First, we learn that the writer is, "the Preacher, the son of David,
king in Jerusalem." We immediately recognize that that could refer to no
one but King Solomon. "The son of David" could refer to any descendant
of David who sat on the throne after him, but this particularly relates
to Solomon, as several things in the book will confirm.
Many of the critical commentators of our day question that view, and
very few of them accept it. They try to date the book after the
Babylonian exile, some 500 years after Solomon lived. That is the
habitual stance of critics of the Old Testament. But their views have
been proved wrong again and again, based, as they think they are, upon
an examination of the culture of the day. I think, however, that we
shall have no problem accepting the fact that it is indeed Solomon who
shares with us in this book the wisdom that God taught him throughout
his life.
The translators, unfortunately, here refer to Solomon as "the Preacher."
I am sorry they used that term. I know the book sounds a little preachy
at the beginning. On reading that second verse it would be so easy to
affect a "stained-glass" voice. In a modern audience this, of course,
would turn everybody off. The word for Preacher is the Hebrew word
Qoheleth, which really means, "the one who gathers, assembles, or
collects thi

Re: [CTRL] Nice doesn't cut it in the face of the rabid Right

[Samantha L.]

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12-07-00: Nice doesn't cut it in the face of the rabid Right

By Johnny Angel

December 7, 2000 | Wanna know what has really crippled the
progressive/moderate movement in America, why we seem so impotent in the
face of the endlessly blaring nuttery on the Right? Basically, it's a lack
of anger, a lack of outrage over the idea that the rest of the world
doesn't share our views, the life's blood and passion of America's
neo-conservatives.

The fact is the Right is perennially pissed off. Pinch-faced, cross-eyed
pissed off. It always has been and loudly so since Marconi's genius became
mass marketable, from racists Father Coughlin and Gerald Smith during the
Depression to convicted felons Gordon Liddy/Ollie North today. And why is
this, you may ask? Because the kind of psyche, rheuma, soul, whatever word
you'd like to use that is always boiling over cholerically belongs to the
empty-headed animals of the American Right--why do you suppose that the
bile level on political talk radio is up at the eyebrow line? As John
Lydon said so eloquently in PIL's 1986's anthem "Rise," "anger is an
energy"--and the Left doesn't have it. Not until we've been reamed,
steamed and dry-cleaned will this change. Even then, the nature of our
internal beast is not combative -- our own well-adjustment is a political
Achilles heel.

Not to mention dissonance and confusion in 2000, the roles of Left/Right
have reversed. Frankly, we on what was the Left have assumed the
traditional role of the true freedom-loving conservative--laissez faire on
social issues, economic prudence on debt and deficit, antipathy to
"zero-tolerance" and "mandatory sentencing", true adherence to the
Constitution (especially as it pertains to the 1st, 4th and 5th
Amendments, all loathed by the selective patriots on the Right), and most
importantly, a sense that fair play trumps all concerns, that there must
be uniformity in how the laws are applied. The American Right operates on
the (lack of) principle that their simian symbol of success, GW Bush
derided on a daily basis in his 200 million dollar campaign--"if it feels
good, do it", was a 60's mantra that Bush cited as the example of the
decline of Western Civilization, as proof of spiritual corruption gone
haywire. Yet, as has been shown in Florida in the last few weeks, the Bush
and GOP camps have "done it" whenever the mood hit them, with no regard to
either the law or the will of the people, using mob rule and violence to
quell manual vote counts in Miami, or assembling endless legal stonewalls
or Harris cronyism to assure a victory. And what will be the first
priority of a Bush administration? A trillion dollar tax cut (or, more
accurately, a rollback to 1989, so as to eradicate Bush Sr.'s tarnished
record) that will bring back deficits and high interest rates.
Conservative? Hardly--Barry Goldwater is rolling in his tomb.

Selective outrage, blood pressure-raising pique, hauteur for no
discernable reason, these are now the character traits of the people that
make up today's Republican Party. Our problems with this juggernaut are
duo fold--not only are they motivated, they're unified against what they
perceive as a common enemy--us. Ironically, the rank and file of the Angry
Right have much more in common with their supposed foes in the working and
middle class than they do with their wealthy, manipulative leadership (a
source of incredible anxiety to them, there is nothing they hate and fear
more than the idea that they're no better than anyone else)--but another
character trait of today's conservative is the unquestioning devotion to
cherished totems like righteousness, religiosity, the military and the
traditional role of the woman in the family. Beat that drum hard enough
and long enough, and the inability to reason (the downfall of any
regressive) takes over--with a side order of propaganda-fired rage as well.

Can't see us on the Left getting mad enough to get even, for the same
reason that there is no Limbaugh on the Left--sure, we have our prejudices
as well, but we don't embrace them as a source of pride, we have bouts of
anger, but they are aimed at moving the intractable evils of some human
beings as opposed to keeping the status quo at all costs. If we believe
that if privilege is sacred, it isn't because it's an exclusive weapon to
keep the masses in their places, but a benefit that must be used to
alleviate suffering without condition, if we believe that there are
cultural differences between certain groups of people, then we enjoy that
aspect of the human condition, not try to steam-roll other cultures into a
conformist straightjacket. This philosophy is harder to articulate and
doesn't play to xenophobia or code-word racism like the voices of the
Right do--and it doesn't play to the deep-seated fear and paranoia (ever
heard a progressive rave about an invasion from

Re: [CTRL] Shalala won't implement prescription drug law

[kl]

-Caveat Lector-

On 27 Dec 2000, at 22:11, Amelia wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
>
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new law aimed at cutting prescription drug prices
> by allowing them to be reimported from Canada won't be implemented by
> Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala.
>
> In a letter Tuesday to President Clinton, Shalala said the law had
> "serious flaws and loopholes."
>
> Those concerns "make it impossible for me to demonstrate that it is
> safe and cost effective," she wrote. "As such, I cannot sanction the
> allocation of taxpayer dollars to implement such a system."
>

Looks like the pharmaceuticals have another big fish in their pocket.

--


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny 
or disparage others retained by the peop
le.
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[kl]

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On 27 Dec 2000, at 22:58, BB wrote:

> You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and
> feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each
> other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the
> article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and
> a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it.
>

Thank you.  I was just about to post a similar thought.

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[M.A. Johnson]

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c.
since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english- you

MJ
There is no such thing as 'english' -- basic or otherwise.

Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise
that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United
States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation
inclusive.  What is referenced is simply a formula for determining
House Representation -- no more, no less.

Regard$,
--MJ

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and conscientious stupidity.   -- Martin Luther King, Jr

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Re: [CTRL] : Bush may pursue more activist Colombia policy

[Nurev Ind Research]

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 12/27/2000 11:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << WASHINGTON (AP) -- A hallmark of the Clinton administration's military
>  commitment to Colombia has been to help Colombian officials curb
>  narcotraffickers while staying out of the country's long-running civil war.

This is simply not true. Columbia is Clinton/Gore's covert war to crush
the rebels. Drugs are the cover. We are in Columbia to establish military
bases from which to control Panama, Venezuela, Peru, and probably Cuba and
Haiti as well.

>
>  President-elect George Bush may not be as fussy about drawing such
>  distinctions.  >>

Bush will most likely escalate if the economy tanks.

>
> Of course.  Republicans want a war every time they get the presidency.  We
> had Reagan into Greneda; Bush into Panama and the Middle East.  We haven't
> done Columbia yet.  Oh let's.  Dubya will become "Atilla the Ho-Hum."  Prudy
>

More and larger wars were prsided over by DemocRATS.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President

[Birds]

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Amelia,

No where in Jayson's mail says I said something illegal.  Why  do you care about what 
I said anyway?  I am surprised it came from
you Amelia.  I did not say I was going to kill Bush and frankly who gives a crap about 
us being illegal when those politicians kill
people all the time.  The President should not be this high and almighty person who 
cannot be killed.  What about other important
people?. That is some screwed up thinking on the part of this country.  Thinking of 
killing and actually killing are two different
things.  Maybe you are a Bush fan.  We talk all the time on this list about Bush and 
how dirty his whole family is.  He has done so
much damage and you tell me I should not say that against the almighty President who 
is totally Illuminati??? Give me a break. The
question was what Bush should doI said get killed.  I did not say that I was going 
to kill  him.  I was making a joke which I
thought was good.  This list just is not healthy for me.  The only reason I stay on is 
the good information Kris gives and Smart
News and and others with some real truths.  I need to stick to their posts and delete 
the rest.  It appears people are challenging
the McMartin tunnels and how is it possible?  Anyone could build a tunnel who is 
strong enough.  Ted Gunderson a well known retired
FBI man has covered the McMartin case thoroughly.  I have seen his videos.  I hope 
that he has some things on the internet if one
wants to check him out.

Birds
Private Mail Welcome

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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President


-Caveat Lector-

I am glad you clarified that, Jayson, as even in jest, it is illegal to
threaten a presidential party.  I am sure you are aware of this and with the
eyes/ears on this list, it is not a good thing to do.
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: "Jayson R. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:55 -0800 Birds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >-Caveat Lector-
> >>On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone
> >>acceptable?
> >>Jayson, with a good supply of ammo.
>
> >I see you agree!
> >Birds
> >Private Mail Welcome
>
> While I do not advocate anyone shooting these people, I have no objection
> to their self removal from the gene pool.  I would be willing to supply
> the ammo if they gave me written assurances as to the ultimate end use.
>
> Jayson
> Just being helpfull;)
>
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[CTRL] Another huge federal land grab - Missouri River and Breaks

[Tenorlove]

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> Friends and Associates,
>
>  Montana news media began running a story at around 11:AM
>  on 12/21/00 that Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt is
>  recommending that the Missouri River and Breaks be declared
>  a National Monument. More than a third of a million acres.
>
>  The majority of Montanans oppose this designation. Our
>  Senate and House of Representatives both passed resolutions
>
>  this past spring opposing this monument by a 66% majority.
>  Our Govenor, Representative Hill, and Senator Burns have all
>  stood against this monument designation.  We have had just
>  one Senator refuse to committ.  Max Baucus stated this
>  summer that he was not in favor of the designation if
>  progressive work cold begin on a list of issues that he
>  defined. Over the past months, many people have worked hard
>  toward meeting his goals.   Representative Hill iintroduced
>  a Bill that would establish the Wild and Scenic boundaries
>  that have never been officially adopted. That Bill was shut
>  down by the efforts of two US Senators.  One of them was Max
>  Baucus.  It is clear what side of the fence he stands on.
>
>  Senator Baucus has the power to stop this action. He will
>  not do it without understanding what his losses will be.  I
>  have have contacted the Senator and told him that if this
>  signing takes place, I will do everything in my effort to
>  see that he is not re-elected in two years.  I am asking you
>  to do the same. The least you could do to help is let him
>  know that you oppose this designation. His contact info is
>  below. And one more thing, PLEASE pass this email on.
>
>  Thank You,
>
> Dale Hankins
> Secretary, Missouri River Stewards
>
>
>  Baucus #'s
>   DC Phone 202-224-2651
>   Gt Falls  406-761-1574   Helena  406-449-5480
>   Billings  406-657-6790   Bozeman  406-586-6104
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> PS  Visit our web site at www.MissouriRiverStewards.org


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[CTRL] Ashcroft Once Hailed Confederates

[Tenorlove]

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Ashcroft Once Hailed Confederates
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. John Ashcroft, President-elect Bush's choice to
be America's top law enforcement officer, once hailed Confederate war
heroes as ``patriots'' and suggested they shouldn't be portrayed as
having died for ``some perverted agenda.''

The Missouri Republican tapped to be the next attorney general also has
advocated an increased role for charities while opposing federal money
for drug treatment, saying government assistance shouldn't further the
``lowest and least'' conduct.

And a decade ago he refused to sign a presidential panel's report that
concluded America was falling behind in efforts to bring equality to
minorities, calling it too negative.

As his soon-to-be former colleagues in the Senate prepare for
Ashcroft's
confirmation hearings, the GOP senator's conservative speeches,
writings and interviews are being scrutinized for what they may
foreshadow of his views as attorney general. Democrats and critics have
made clear they intend to make Ashcroft's civil rights record an issue.

His record shows he vigorously sought to end abortions, advocated a
larger role for charities, pushed amendments that would permanently
alter the Constitution for various conservative causes and sent what
critics say is a mixed message on race and poverty issues.

In a 1998 interview, Ashcroft criticized efforts by some historians to
portray early Americans, like slave-owning George Washington, as
racist, calling them ``malicious attacks'' and ``revisionist
nonsense.''

"Your magazine also helps set the record straight,'' Ashcroft told the
Southern Partisan, a two-decade-old periodical that has published
articles defending Confederate soldiers and political figures and once
sold a T-shirt commemorating Abraham Lincoln with the phrase his
assassin uttered, ``Thus always to tyrants.''

``You've got a heritage of ... defending Southern patriots like (Gen.
Robert E.) Lee, (Gen. Stonewall) Jackson and (Confederate President
Jefferson) Davis,'' Ashcroft said in an interview. At the time, he was
courting conservatives for a possible presidential candidacy.

``We've all got to stand up and speak in this respect or else we'll be
taught that these people were giving their lives, subscribing their
sacred fortunes and their honor to some perverted agenda,'' he added.

Juleanna Glover Weiss, a spokeswoman for Bush's transition, said
Ashcroft's comments reflected that he ``believes in an exact reading on
history.''

``He holds sacred the legacies of Jefferson, Washington and Martin
Luther King,'' she said. ``Senator Ashcroft's favorite historical
figure is Abraham Lincoln. He has been an avid student of history.''

She added, ``he will be an exceptionally strong enforcer of the civil
rights laws as he has been a proponent in Missouri and throughout his
career.''

As Missouri governor from 1985 to 1993, Ashcroft signed into law a
state
holiday honoring Martin Luther King Jr., the slain civil rights leader;
established musician Scott Joplin's house as Missouri's only historic
site honoring a black person; created an award honoring black educator
George Washington Carver; named a black woman to a state judgeship; and
led a fight to save Lincoln University, which was founded by black
soldiers.

And when he considered becoming Republican Party chairman in 1993, he
urged Republicans to be ``tolerant'' and to avoid being ``mistakenly
portrayed as petty, divisive and mean-spirited.''

But in 1989, when former President George Bush appointed Ashcroft to a
federal commission to study the plight of minorities in America, he
refused to sign the panel's final report.

That report concluded that the nation was slipping in its efforts to
achieve equality for blacks, Hispanics and Indians and that many
minorities were ``afflicted by the ills of poverty and deprivation.''

Ashcroft was one of only two people on the 40-member panel, which
included former presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and King's
widow, Coretta, to refuse to endorse the findings.

Ashcroft's office said at the time that he believed the report's
portrayal of minorities was too negative and that its ``generalizations
about setbacks in progress are overly broad and counterproductive.''

Weiss said Ashcroft was instrumental in getting the panel created by
the
president, but when ``the report was written, he was acutely
disappointed and believed it had missed some opportunities.

``He believed that it addressed the plight of some minorities, but it
didn't address all minorities,'' she said.

A decade later, Ashcroft found himself under attack from black leaders
after he helped scuttle a federal judgeship for Missouri Supreme Court
Judge Ronnie White, the first black on the state's high court.

Ashcroft said he considered White to be soft on criminals, and noted he
had supported 23 of the 26 nominations of black judges during his
Senate
tenure. But black leaders pledged to w

Re: [CTRL] : INVITATION TO JOIN A NEW LIST

[Jill]

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Hello Political Group,

 I have started a new list and ask that consider joining the list if you are 
interested in an unmoderated, unrestricted debate of timely political and social 
issues.  To join send a blank e mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I started this list in response to a number of complaints from my Hannity and 
Colmes list members regarding my 'heavy-handed' moderating style LOL (we can debate 
that issue at a later date) and although Hannity and Colmes may be suited to a "free 
for all" style list, I promised both Sean and Alan that I would not allow the list 
bearing their names to become that type of list.

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Re: [CTRL] : Hospitals told to treat patients' pain

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 12/27/2000 11:17:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< But starting next week, the nation's hospitals must make a major change:
New
 standards require that every patient's pain be measured regularly from the
 time they check in -- just like other vital signs are measured -- and proper
 pain relief begun or the hospitals risk losing their accreditation.

 Patients should expect at least to be asked to rate how they're feeling,
 from zero, no pain, to 10, the worst pain imaginable. (Small children will
 use pictures to rate pain.) The score determines what steps the hospital
 must take to help. >>

Sounds wonderful.  Can you imagine hospitals worrying about patients' comfort
instead of how much they can charge for their services?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] : Bush may pursue more activist Colombia policy

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 12/27/2000 11:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< WASHINGTON (AP) -- A hallmark of the Clinton administration's military
 commitment to Colombia has been to help Colombian officials curb
 narcotraffickers while staying out of the country's long-running civil war.

 President-elect George Bush may not be as fussy about drawing such
 distinctions.  >>

Of course.  Republicans want a war every time they get the presidency.  We
had Reagan into Greneda; Bush into Panama and the Middle East.  We haven't
done Columbia yet.  Oh let's.  Dubya will become "Atilla the Ho-Hum."  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] "Mentally Ill" Homeless In Phoenix, AZ

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 12/27/2000 11:11:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Some of us are old enough to remember that it was the Kennedy brothers who
 suddenly "discovered" that the mentally ill have "civil rights" including
 the right not to take medication nor be held against their will.  These
 people were on the streets long before Regan was in office!  I remember
 seeing them in Chicago for the first time while there on business in the
 very early 70's.
 Nice try, though, as lots of people are actually too young to remember and
 if you can blame something on the Republicans, even if they did not do it,
 that is the name of the game. >>

Yes, and they were there a long time before the Kennedy brothers.  Were the
Kennedy brothers responsible for closing the State establishments where these
people were held?  The taking of medication while in an institution should
not be mandatory.  Keeping everyone in a doze to make it easy on attendants
is not the purpose of medication which is supposed to help the patients.
Mental patients do have civil rights, and the right to take or not take
medication is one of them, as long as they are willing to stay within the
walls of a mental institution.   It is only when they are walking and working
among the general public that proper medication should be mandatory.  The
choice of incarceration or medication should be up to them.  When Reagan shut
down the institutions where they were held for their own and everyone else's
protection, there was no longer a choice.  In a society where case workers
cannot keep track of the children who are being killed by abusive parents or
adults, we certainly should not have to rely on case workers to suggest to
the mentally ill that it would be a nice thing if they took the medication
provided to them.  We need the State institutions brought back.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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Sent: 28 December 2000 01:20
Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill


>
> MJ
> Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of
> its simplicity ...
>
> For mathematical purposes ...
>
> The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion
> listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so
> allotted.

since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english- you
can also enlighten me as to just who fits the "criterion" that you refer to.
or did you really, truly misunderstand my point? i thought you were just
avoiding the point because it doesn't suit you to confront it- but maybe
your grip on the language is not all that it might be either?

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