Re: [CTRL] Fw: The Real Story on Arsenic in Your Water

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 This one is getting a bit weary, too.  Arsenic occurs
 naturally in many substances but to hear the liberal press,
 one would think W is proposing to poison us all!  Ridiculous
 exaggeration once again.
 AKE 

Yes, the well water available at Ankara Air Station in Turkey was clearly
labeled as "arsenic containing."  There was an advisement on it that said it
was potable, but that it should not be given to children under the age of
five or to pregnant women.  No other problems noted.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] The Extinction of Man?

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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San Francisco - The co-founder of one of Silicon Valley's top
  technology companies believes scientific advances may be
  ushering humanity into a nightmare world where super smart
  machines force mankind into extinction. 

Many years ago I read a science fiction novel with just this plot.  It seems
the machines decided we were something akin to cancer and we had to go.
Hm.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Open Letter to Clinton-Annonymous

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Good letter. He left out probably Clinton's most
 nefarious acts, such as bombing the Sudan
 pharmaceutical factory (it wasn't making chemical
 weapons) and the rape of Juanita Broaddrick (I believe
 her).
 Gavin. 


I can't believe you guys are still writing to Clinton.  Why not a little note
of encouragement to Dubya.  After all he's in charge now.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] SCHOOL PRAYER

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Since the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer are not allowed
 in
 most public schools anymore because the word "God' is mentioned ...
 a kid in Arizona wrote a new school prayer . 

Man, the kids in Arizona are pretty clever.  When I went to school, the word
God was not a part of the Pledge of Allegiance, and we never said the Lord's
Prayer in school.  We said it in Sunday School and frequently at other times,
but not in school.  We were really amazing.  We all went to Sunday School and
church.  We had total faith in our faiths and were comfortable with each
others' faiths.  We did not pray in school.  We did not even read the Bible
until I got to high school, and at that time I noticed that no one other than
the reader of the day was paying any attention to the reading.  It was the
time when our homeroom teacher checked her makeup, and the rest of the kids
did various things, but they didn't listen to the Bible readings.I've
noticed that today's youth do not really want specifically to pray.  What
they want is to lead others in prayer.  They have a deep desire to convert
others to their specific beliefs.  The Bible instructs us to pray in private.
 Hitler with his Gestapo, his Nazi party and all his concentration camps
could not stamp out the Jewish faith.  It is the same with true Christians.
They do not need the company of others or the inclusion of their particular
practices in various institutions (including schools) to maintain their faith
in Christ.  If they need such crutches, then they need much more than prayer
in school can do for them.  Let them invite the students they wish to
influence or convert into their homes and churches.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Ancestry of Dick Cheney (b. 1941)

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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He is also born in the year of the snake.  This is his year.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Israel plans water pipeline from Turkey

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 In a maverick deal with Turkey, a nation with whom Israel has established
 close military ties, Israel would receive fresh water from its cross-sea
 neighbor. Turkey is rich in water resources and is currently building a
 series of dams that will give it control over the Tigris and Euphrates
Rivers
 -- the cradle of civilization.  

This ought to be interesting.  It appears that Turkey plans to starve her
neighbors of water to sell it to the Israeli.  Should be an invitation to
disaster.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Soul of Brevity

2001-04-14 Thread Carl Amedio
 This little tidbit contains all you really need to know  about government
 and
 bureaucracy.

 Pythagorean theorem: 24 words.
 The Lord's prayer: 66 words.
 Archimedes' Principle: 67 words.
 The 10 Commandments: 179 words.
 The Gettysburg address: 286 words.
 The Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words.
 The US Government regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words.






[CTRL] Palestinians Attacked

2001-04-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Subj:[Spy News] Top Palestinians Attacked After Joint Security Talks
Date:   04/09/2001 1:55:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Top Palestinians Attacked After Joint Security Talks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43465-2001Apr5.html

Israelis Fire on Convoy Following U.S.-Initiated Meeting

By Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, April 6, 2001; Page A26


JERUSALEM, April 5 -- Senior Palestinian security officials came under
Israeli gunfire early today as they entered the Gaza Strip just hours after
meeting Israeli officials at the home of the U.S. ambassador in Tel Aviv.
The incident quickly poisoned a U.S. attempt to revive security cooperation
between Israelis and Palestinians.

After the meeting, three Palestinian officials -- Public Security head
Abdel-Razek Majaydeh, Preventive Security chief Mohammed Dahlan and top
intelligence officer Amin Hindi -- were ferried to the Gaza border in U.S.
Embassy vehicles. At some point after the three boarded their own jeeps and
a silver Mercedes-Benz, bullets and shrapnel hit the convoy. As the jeeps
sped away, one flipped over and two bodyguards suffered broken limbs.

"The shooting was planned. . . . We could have been killed," Hindi said.

Israeli officials said the Palestinians shot first and that Palestinian
gunmen left their cars to continue shooting from nearby buildings. The
Israelis offered to join the Palestinians in investigating the incident.
However, Brig. Gen. Yair Naveh, who commands Israel's Gaza division, said
after the incident that his soldiers "acted appropriately." An Israeli
Foreign Ministry official said, "We cannot justify the shooting, but we
think we can explain it."

The outbursts marred the reentry of U.S. officials into face-to-face talks
between the sides. Israeli and Palestinian security officers met near Tel
Aviv at the residence of U.S. Ambassador Martin Indyk; a CIA official
presided. Both Palestinian and Israeli officials described the get-together
as an exploration of whether the sides can revive the cooperation that ended
six months ago when the Palestinian uprising erupted.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the meeting was "positive
and useful."

After daylight, however, violence flared throughout the West Bank and Gaza
Strip. A top official of the militant Islamic Jihad movement, which rejects
compromise with Israel, was assassinated in the West Bank city of Jenin when
a public phone exploded as he made a call. Palestinian officials said
Israeli planes flying near the city detonated the hidden booby trap by
remote control.

Israel had accused the victim, Iyad Hardan, of masterminding bomb attacks on
civilians inside Israel, including one that killed two Israelis in December.
The Palestinian Authority, which controls about 20 percent of the West Bank
and two-thirds of Gaza, had jailed Hardan on occasion but had permitted
frequent furloughs. Today, he had attended classes at a Jenin university.
Hardan made the fatal phone call just outside the jail's gates.

Islamic Jihad officials blamed not only the Israelis but also the
Palestinian Authority, suggesting that Palestinians connived in setting the
trap, and they vowed revenge. "Israel will regret this. We can inflict
damage," said Ramadan Shalah, an Islamic Jihad official speaking in
Damascus, Syria.

In Gaza, Israeli soldiers shot and killed a 15-year-old Palestinian who was
throwing stones at a fortified Israeli position. His death came as the
Palestinians were holding "Children's Day" to protest the killing of youths
and children. By late evening, the Israeli army reported mortar attacks on
settlements and army positions in the north and south of the Gaza Strip.
There were no reports of injuries. But later the Israelis used helicopter
gunships and mortars to attack Palestinian security outposts.

Raanan Gissin, a government spokesman, said Israel has expanded its list of
punitive targets to include Palestinian units in places where Palestinian
fire originated. Previously, Israel had targeted units suspected of direct
involvement in attacks.

Besides the security talks held late Wednesday, Israeli Foreign Minister
Shimon Peres met with top Palestinian negotiators in Greece despite Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon's pledge not to negotiate as long as Palestinians are
violently resisting Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.

Sharon also acknowledged that his son, Omri, had traveled to Gaza on Sunday
to speak with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. The talks had been kept
secret for three days. Sharon defended himself against complaints from the
right that he was negotiating under fire, saying that his son had gone only
to tell Arafat that the government would "not negotiate under fire."

In another move likely to anger Palestinians, Sharon announced plans to
build another 700 houses at two West Bank 

Re: [CTRL] SCHOOL PRAYER

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Man, the kids in Arizona are pretty clever.  When I went to school, the word
 God was not a part of the Pledge of Allegiance,

You're forgetting the 'one nation under God' clause...


June

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Cobra Gold US Special Forces join drugs war/ Chiang Mai (SSA)

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan





 The Nation - April 13, 2001
 US Special Forces join drugs war

 CRACK troops from the United States will join Thailand's war on drugs
 in the coming months, in a new bid to stem the enormous flow of drugs
 from Burma.

 About 20 soldiers from the US First Special Forces Group will train
 Thailand's newly formed Task Force 399 starting from October, a senior
 Third Army officer said yesterday, on condition of anonymity.

 The secretive task force - made up of 100 members of the Thai Special
 Forces, two infantry units with about 100 soldiers each and a
 100-strong unit of Border Police - will be based out of Chiang Mai's
 Mae Rim district, the officer said.

 The American Special Forces will arrive here next month along with
 5,000 other American soldiers to take part in the annual
 joint-military exercise, Cobra Gold, with their Thai counterparts.

 Creating the anti-drugs taskforce is the latest tactic by authorities
 to curb the flow of illicit drugs, mostly methamphetamines, from areas
 under the control of Burma's armed ethnic rebels, particularly the
 United Wa State Army (UWSA), which operates with little hindrance in
 Burma's Shan State.

 Anti-narcotics cooperation between Thailand and the US has a long but
 relatively unpublicised history, Panitan Wattanayagorn, a security
 expert at Chulalongkorn University, said.

 Past operations were pretty much focused against opium-poppy
 cultivation and heroin trafficking, which Thailand sees as mainly
 affecting other countries. But because growth in synthetic stimulant
 abuse has become a local issue detrimentally impacting just about
 every corner of Thai society, said Panitan, news about the American
 Special Forces working with local troops was likely to attracted great
 attention.

 Up to 800 million speed pills produced in Burma's north were expected
 to flood into Thailand this year, the officer said, adding that the
 UWSA was responsible for most of the illicit drug production.

 The UWSA came into being in 1989 shortly after the fall of the
 Communist Party of Burma (CPB). It soon signed a cease-fire with the
 military government in Rangoon. The bulk of the UWSA's troops served
 as infantry for the CPB, which was backed by the Chinese Communists
 before it fell apart.

 Under an agreement with the Burmese junta that allows it some degree
 of autonomy, the 20,000-strong outfit has extended its power base in
 Burma's Shan State from along the Chinese border southward to areas
 across from Thailand's Mae Ai and Fang districts. New towns such as
 Mong Yawn and Mong Mai, built by hundreds of Thai labourers and Thai
 construction companies, have sprung up in recent years as millions of
 methamphetamine tablets, known locally as yaa baa, have been sent
 across the border and sold in Thai cities.

 The trade proceeded relatively unperturbed until two years ago when
 the bodies of nine Thai nationals from Chiang Mai's Fang district were
 discovered by the border near the Wa area. All fingers pointed to Mong
 Yawn for the murderers. Thai authorities were forced to impose
 economic sanctions against the Wa by closing the border crossing to
 their territory.

 The Burmese regime, on the other hand, has come under strong criticism
 from both Thailand and Western countries for turning a blind eye to
 the Wa's illicit activities.

 Thailand's Third Army commander, Lt General Wattanachai Chaimuanwong,
 has accused a number of top Burmese military chiefs of taking bribes
 from the Wa.



 The Nation - April 13, 2001

 LETTERS
 Give credit to the Shan State Army

 I WOULD like to commend you for telling the story of the Shan State
 Army (SSA). There are those in the media and other sources who have
 been attempting to tell of the changes in direction, especially in the
 area of drug production, brought about by Colonel Yaud Serk of the
 SSA. These have been laughed off by United States operatives, who have
 preached an allied effort with Burma while on the surface, keeping the
 country where it belongs, on the drug-producers' list. None of these
 US operatives ever went to the SSA area to see if changes had in fact
 taken place.

 Do not look for any changes in the US State Department position.
 Secretary Powell has named Richard Armitage, who Khun Sa named as his
 "US connection", his number-two man and most trusted assistant. Khun
 Sa, with the multimillion-dollar reward on his head, resides in
 splendour beside his new Burmese allies. The Wa have joined the
 Burmese Army in attacks on all ethnic groups, especially the SSA.
 These have been repulsed time and again.

 The drug labs and caravans hit by the SSA were joint Wa/Burmese
 operations. No pat on the back from the USA for that. You did a great
 service by showing the Shan on the march against drugs and
 dictatorship. But I would not hold my breath waiting for US State
 Department recognition of these changes. It's so much easier to have a
 drink in Rangoon, Bangkok or Washington than to get out there 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] MCVEIGH'S ACCESS TO THE PRESS

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan





I spoke today with Bob Popovitch James Nichol's best friend in Michigan.  He
is one of a handful of people that McVeigh calls on the phone.

McVeigh can make one 15 minute call a day.  Most calls go to his father and
sister Jenifer.  Our Attorney General has announced that McVeigh can have no
more contacts with journalists.  That Ashcroft maintains could open wounds,
like the American people seeing the Zapruder film would.

Bob Popovitch is a good American.  I am proud of him for what he has
endured.  Bob did not know McVeigh well.  I believe McVeigh only visited
James Nichols with Terry Nichols once.  Still Bob is not certain he is
talking with McVeigh.  He believes he is.  But with his limited acquaintance
with McVeigh Bob feels McVeigh's mind has been altered.

McVeigh is a big puzzle.  His "book" backs up the FBI 100% and implicates his
friend Terry which seems out of character for Tim.  Playing ball to protect
the lives of his father and sister does seem in character for McVeigh.

I viewed home movies of the teenager McVeigh.  I saw a well adjusted teen who
was surrounded by good friends.  Tim was actually advanced for his age
purchasing land early on and doing many responsible things.

Tim was given the lead role in the DESERT STORM attack as the lead gunner on
the lead tank.  This assignment is typically the most dangerous of an assault
and earned him the title "hero of DESERT STORM"  and a position on the honor
guard of General Norman Swartzcoft.  He was accepted into Special Forces
where no doubt he was recruited for a special assigment --- like the special
assignment Lee Harvey Oswald was recruited for after he penetrated the Soviet
Union as an agent for James Angelton.

It requires great precision when the stakes are as high as the bombing of the
MURRAH BUILDING or the assassination of a president.  That is Oswald and
McVeigh.  Oswald was working a deep security  assignment doing photo
developing of the CIA's U-2 spy photos of Cuba under the supervision of
Theodore Shackley of the Miami JM-WAVE station.  The Attorney General of
Texas Wagner Carr sent the WARREN COMMISSION into secret session when he
revealed that Oswald was an FBI informant and revealed Owsald's agent number.

Hopsicker can fill in more of these details that I can.

Brian Quig

peter morgan wrote:

 "seem odd, and unbelievable"
   Yes! and where's a videotaped interview relating to these
 confessions?? Why only hearsay via authors?
   If he made these statements, it's incredible the state wouldn't use
 them to their advantage does anyone know what press access to
 McVeigh is like??
 P.
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  In a message dated 4/12/2001 9:50:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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   does anyone but me suspect that the upcoming "execution" of
 timothy
   mcveigh might be a sham?
  
 
  The execution will probably be real, but the things being said to
 have come
  out of McVeighs mouth as confessions and that he wants to die,
 those seem
  odd, and unbelievable.
  Peace,
  Preston

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[CTRL] Fwd: CIA Bugs Arafat and All Top Palestinians

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

Read this and remember the USS Liberty.




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  Arafat has been paid a very great amount of money for the deals he signed in 
Washington, Cairo, Sharm, Hebron, et. al.   He, his family (the Tawils), and top 
cronies like Nabil Shaath, Abu Mazen, et. al., now have hundreds of millions of 
dollars in foreign bank accounts as a result.
The Palestinian people have paid a very great price for what Arafat has done.  
Most importantly he has squandered so much now lost time and support around the world 
and given the Israelis the time they have needed to consolidate their hold over the 
Palestinians and to create today's Apartheid situation.  At the same time he has 
allowed the Palestinian areas to quite literally be infected with CIA agents and 
high-tech survelliance means, this on top of the Israeli military and intelligence 
occupation.
Now, in print in Hebrew, comes something we've suspected and written about for 
some time.  The real purpose of the American involvement with Arafat, and the real 
reason Clinton got Arafat to actually invite the CIA to play such a role in the 
occupied territories, was to further bug, control, manipulate, co-opt and deceive the 
Palestinian leadership itself.
This is a scandal in some ways akin to that  some decades ago now when it came out 
that King Hussein was quite literally on the CIA payroll (after which the monies were 
rechanneled)
Many years ago now, long before it reached the pages of the Washington Post and 
New York Times, MER was highlighting the much greater role of the CIA in Palestinian 
affairs allowed, even encouraged, by Arafat, Shaath and Rajoub.It never was for 
the welfare of the Palestinian people.  It always was a kind of additional Arafat 
pay-off to the Americans for all the money, support, guns, and VIP priviledges given 
to him and cronies in order that they in turn would control their own people.  And it 
all lead to Camp David of last year where Arafat's pen was to be used one more maybe 
final time on behalf of Israel and the U.S.
  But Arafat and company were roadblocked at Camp David by their own people.  "The 
Chairman" didn't have the credibility left to sign anything further and sell away 
still more Palestinian rights.   As Arafat then is reported to have said to Clinton:  
"Do you want to next visit Jerusalem as my guest, or do you want to come to march in 
my funeral?" -- alluding to what his own people would do to him if he now sold out 
even more, no matter how much additional money, support, and accolades the Americans 
and Israelis were going to bestow on him.



CIA RECORDED DAHLAN ORDERING BOMBING OF SCHOOL BUS

[Translated from original Hebrew from Hatzofeh: 13 April]:
The CIA has secret recordings of telephone conversations in which the
voices of the head of preventive security in the Gaza Strip, Mohammed
Dahlan, and his deputy, Rashid Abu Shabbab, can be heard ordering the
execution of anti-Israeli terrorist attacks in the Gaza Strip.

The Americans, who according to a number of sources bug all the senior
Palestinians, did not keep the information to themselves and gave it to
Israel.   According to the information, the U.S. has recordings in which
Dahlan can be heard ordering the bombing of the bus of children in Kfar
Darom on the 20th of September 2000.
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[CTRL] Fwd: [NA] Lee Harvey Oswald Must Die! This Time by Injection.

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan





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Lee Harvey Oswald Must Die! This Time by Injection.

Tim McVeigh is the Lee Harvey Oswald of the government operation gone
awry known as “the Oklahoma City Bombing.” Oswald had to be shot before
a trial would have revealed that he was only a cog in the works, a
patsy. Tim McVeigh must now be executed, -- it will be done by lethal
injection – to plant in the collective American mind that he was the
only significant villain in the Oklahoma City Bombing. The real
villains, the intelligence operatives of the Shadow Government, must
cover their tracks so they can live to fight again – live to contrive
more fake crises -- which (they hope) will induce us to give up our
constitutional freedoms, or will at least create conditions under which
we will allow them to take our constitutional freedoms from us.

When I say “government operation” I am referring to the evil Ruling
Elite “shadow government” which now controls so much of our federal
government, and which has total control of the Big Media, and total
control of the money issuing power in the United States.

The cynical Oklahoma Bombing government terrorist operation backfired in
a big way. As proof of the government/Big Media machinations, cover-ups,
and lies seeped out to the alert American patriotic community, primarily
through communication over the internet, the government was again put on
the defensive, even as millions of apparently mindless  Americans
swallowed the Big Media Propaganda completely. By Election 2000,
Robo-Veep Al Gore didn’t even dare bring up gun confiscation as a
campaign issue.

Immediately, “anti-terrorist” gun control legislation,  which was rushed
into Congress by the likes of Sen. Charles Schumer of New York – did not
take hold. This was the main purpose of the Oklahoma bombing – to take
away constitutional freedoms from primarily middle class, primarily
white, and primarily Christian Americans (although all of us everyday
citizens would be effected). Schumer, also the main mover -- since the
2000 election -- behind the rush for internet and computerized votescam
initiatives – also introduced legislation which would have made it a
crime to publicize “irresponsible” government conspiracy theories on the
internet.

Clinton, who had been looking bedraggled and nose-bloated after a
prolonged series of defeats, came out of the chute a few hours after the
horrendous Oklahoma bombing, -- bursting with joy and happiness
(underneath the crocodile, maudlin “sorrow”) as if he had been able to
borrow the glow of joy from a pregnant woman. He was going to get to
play Chief Consoler! And, sure enough, -- WHILE BOTH WERE FRUSTRATING
ANY REAL INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED -- he and the Big Media
cooperated -- in a most disgusting and ultimately cynical exploitation
of the stunned grief and profound loss which the shadow government’s
portion of “our” intelligence agencies had inflicted on hundreds of
Oklahoma’s family directly, and on all of us indirectly.

Timothy McVeigh was in the works. He was the designated VILLAIN of the
Oklahoma bombing, and his execution in May 2001 is meant to provide
“closure” for all gullible Americans. In what way he was brought into
the works, what role he felt he was playing, what role he actually
played, and what role he feels he is playing today – remains a mystery.
If he was any part of the direct action which resulted in the bombing of
the Murrah building, and the death of the 168 people, then McVeigh
deserves the death penalty. But was he? What was he told he was doing?
It is a legitimate question. One point here is, that even if McVeigh
deserves the death penalty, so do all the other shadow government agents
who were involved in this dastardly conspiracy against the American
people.

That unique, incisive investigator and commentator Michael A. Hoffman II
has written about the strange phenomenon of Big Media spotlighted “lone
nuts” who seem to be under some kind of mind control, and who meekly
play the role assigned to them in the aftermath of a big crime. When
these “manchurian candidate lone-nuts” have the chance to speak to the
world press, they pass their opportunity by. The alleged unabomber, who
the Big Media had told us was PASSIONATE to make his point to the public
(hence all the fatal mail bombs), passed up his one moment in the
courtroom spotlight – with the world media at full attention -- by
muttering that his words had been distorted and he would clear it up
later. Tim McVeigh read some 

[CTRL] ~Action report concerning the race war in Cincinnati~ (fwd)

2001-04-14 Thread Yardbird

-Caveat Lector-

Action report concerning the race war in Cincinnati
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: VERY Serious INFO!
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:36:48 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


This is a short after action report concerning the race war in Cincinnati
Ohio.

The 1st two days of riots were controlled by members of the coalition n16.
They staged a Seattle like World Trade protest in Nov 2000 in Cincy and many
got arrested. Well, they were in town last week for their courts dates, they
were acquitted or the charges were dropped on ALL protesters that challenged
the arrests. this ticked off the group and they vowed to get even, (see
Cincinnati City beat local newspaper).

There tactics were to get a large group 50-100 and then send out a smaller
group out from the initial "protest-riot " starting point. The police would
move on them to get them back and the large group would pull a pincer
movement and the police would fall back.

The protesters were able to drive the cops back about 3-5 blocks and this
left the "over the Rhine" area open for the subsequent riot and damage.

On Wednesday the black panthers moved in and their tactics differed from the
more urban/modern/anti Biz Seattle type protesters". The Panthers used CB
radios and they went mobile we had early reports (being a Libertarian I have
friends not only in high and low place but left and right, I helped train the
street medics for the n16 demos's in Nov) that 2 police stations were to be
burned after dark.

The riots started up at 4-pm on Wed and the Panthers moved out of Downtown to
the east (Imagine Cincinnati in bowl, the city in the bottom ring by hill on
all side and a river to the South) . At this point they went right into
property damage and attacking whites. The police responded up the hill with a
bus full of riot police and drove them back.

They started fires to cover their withdraw and then headed up a "Main Drag"
called Reading Road. They attacked one woman and when the police tried to
help they shot at the cops. the woman laid in her call comatose bleeding from
a head wound for over 45 mins. They 1st group continued north attacking and
burning as they went. A second group headed east and gained more support and
tried to re enter the 2 nd riot site from the North. through another small
city call Norwood. The Norwood police, in NO uncertain terms told them they
shoot real bullets not rubber ones.

Those folks then dispersed and headed for a police sub station and burned it.
At the same time the rioters in Downtown were setting fires to draw out
firemen and then shoot at them from sniper on top bldg..
The fire dept. would have police escort and came in from the North (off a
parkway) to fight the fire. When this happen the fire station (6 block west)
was not guarded. The rioter started fires around the fire station and when
the firemen came out they attacked and shot at the firemen.

At 1025 PM in the north of town, the amount of gun fire was heard over police
radio as they called in they were taking numerous shot from handguns rifle
and possibly full auto.

In downtown the Cop was shot at 1115-PM. At that point the 2 swat teams moved
in and cleared a few bldg. They did not get the shooter. They then retreated
in unit formation to a rally point and sat out the nite.

On Thursday morn the Mayor signed a curfew and it has been somewhat calm.

The governor sent in over 135 Highway Patrol cars each with 2-4 troopers
12 command cars and 4 large equipment truck, ( I am an MP at the Air National
Guard base that they used as an advance rally point before they deploy into
the city)

Out of the 14 black men shot by police 11 shot at the police 1st after
various crimes, including armed robber, drug bust gone bad, one even tried to
car jack a POLICE car with the female cop inside. She was shot 3 times with a
357mag at less than 1 foot. She was then pushed to the side and the guy drove
off, the female cop radioed in the attacked and was able to draw her sidearm
and kill the now driver, sending them crashing into a bldg. She lost her
spleen.

Another black male drug a cop to his death over 700 feet as his arm was
caught in the door/sterring wheel. After over 500 feet of dragging, ( and
after parts of his body were torn from his body) the officer shot the driver,
causing the police office to fall and die in the street. the driver later
died.

Then there was the guy who, (and on audio tape) jumped out at cops doing a
drug raid, his words were, I am going to die like a soldier, he emptied his
weapon at police hitting a couple of cops. 3 of those 11 took an officers gun
and shot cops. 2 cops died (2 years ago) when they tried to serve a warrant,
the thug was later  Killed.

Then there was the guy  Owensby who was "killed'  he robbed a store and ran
from cops (( gee they always run) he then hit attacked and choked the police,
and got away. He was then caught and the police mace him and "sat on 

[CTRL] Fwd: Blacks in Cincinnati Hear Echoes Amid the Violence

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

Come to Macedoniawas the call heard loud and clear?

So read more on Planet of the Apes"
Saba




Welcome, saba22

April 14, 2001
Blacks in Cincinnati Hear Echoes Amid

the Violence
By FRANCIS X. CLINES

 Agence France-Presse Crystal Brown and her son Demitri attended a Good
Friday gathering downtown.

Peace Is Largely Restored to Cincinnati Streets After Violent Wake
of Police Shooting

Cincinnati Mayor Imposes Curfew to Quell Violence (April 13, 2001)

Appeals for Peace in Ohio After Two Days of Protests (April 12, 2001)

 The Associated Press Keith Fangman, above, a police officer and
president of the police union in Cincinnati, warned against concessions
to "these terrorists," as he called violent protesters.

CINCINNATI, April 13 — Charles Wimms looked back today from some fresh
scars on storefronts in the black Avondale neighborhood to the old,
still chilling memories of the last time local youths erupted in violent
protest, when the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated more
than three decades ago.

"This wouldn't have happened if they had listened to us in those years
back then," said Mr. Wimms, a 39- year-old construction worker,
recalling that police treatment of black Cincinnatians — the issue
that drove the wave of protest and vandalism by clusters of angry blacks
this week — was also a principal issue in the 1968 violence.

"So now we have a new generation of young black men running the streets
again to stir things up for what is right," he sadly contended.

Mr. Wimms stood before broken windows where youths looted a sneaker
store on Wednesday night, at the height of protests over a white police
officer's fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager last Saturday.
Blacks maintain that the killing, the fourth of a black by the police
since November, resulted from racial profiling that they say has long
been rampant here.

While an investigation into the killing proceeds, officers quoted in the
local press have disputed that version of events. They say the slain
teenager, Timothy Thomas, was pursued by officers in the first place not
because he was black but because the officers had recognized him as
someone against whom a total of 14 warrants were outstanding, although
most related to traffic charges.

With Easter-season allusions to resurrection and regrets at the damage
to this city's streets and reputation, people like Mr. Wimms warily
greeted the return of civil order after an all-night curfew took hold,
with no clear idea of when it might be safe to end it.

"This all feels kind of strange, like a return to the 60's, you know?"
said Todd Bigger, a 39-year-old black resident who said the 1968
violence was remembered as a frightening benchmark among blacks, but
also as a desperate symbol of demand for change that, he said, still has
not been accomplished.

"But when stuff like this goes on, I guess authorities have to act," Mr.
Bigger said, looking uncertain on a sunny spring day that city officials
vowed was the turning point as they ordered a second night of curfew.

This patchwork city of black and white enclaves did indeed offer time-
warp facets of the old ways of street protest and official crackdown.
Black clergy members once more worked their congregations, pleading for
an end both to what they described as decades of police abuse and to the
angry violence that has mainly redounded upon the blacks' own
neighborhoods. At the same time, white officials looked for something
more creative than the sweeping 8 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew, which on
Thursday night and into this morning substituted eerie scenes of urban
emptiness for the hit-and-run confrontations of earlier this week, when
protesting youths vandalized stores and the police responded with rubber
bullets and tear gas. More than 200 people have been arrested, and more
than 50 treated at hospitals.

In the debate over what to do, pointed criticism of the police was
offered by the Ohio secretary of state, J. Kenneth Blackwell, a former
Cincinnati mayor respected as a careful, conservative Republican.

"The truth is, we have a real pathology in police community and race
relations in Cincinnati," Mr. Blackwell said in calling for a review of
procedures for applying deadly force. There is no public confidence, he
said, that officials sworn to root out crime will "just as swiftly act
on rooting out folks — officers — who are in violation of policy and
procedures."

But the police union defended its own, as Keith Fangman, president of
the local Fraternal Order of Police, warned against concessions to
violent protest. "If we give one inch to these terrorists in the form of
negotiations, then we've got no one to blame but ourselves when we turn
into another Detroit or Washington, D.C.," Mr. Fangman said.
The shooting of the 19-year-old Mr. Thomas brought to 15 the number of
suspects, all of them black, slain by the police here in the last six
years.
Officers say that Mr. Thomas had a clear history of fleeing efforts to
detain 

[CTRL] It's only fair: Across the board tax cut.

2001-04-14 Thread Nurev Ind.

-Caveat Lector-

How much will YOU get out of this tax cut???
J2
=


Bush, Cheney Report 2000 Earnings


By SCOTT LINDLAW
.c The Associated Press

CRAWFORD, Texas (April 13) - - President Bush reported earning $894,880
last
year, while Vice President Dick Cheney took in $36 million, according to
income-tax documents released Friday.

The Bush family paid $240,342 in federal taxes, the Cheneys $14.3 million.

Bush released a federal Form 1040, without attachments. Cheney released
only
a summary prepared by the White House. The information was released in
Crawford, Texas, where the president is spending the weekend.

The Bushes reported donating $143,300 to charity, including $75,000 in
royalties from his biography published during the presidential campaign
last
year, ''A Charge to Keep.'' The book sale proceeds went to four
organizations: Boy Scouts of America, Girl Scouts of America, Boys and
Girls
Clubs of America and Girls Inc.

The Cheneys donated stock options worth $7.8 million to three
beneficiaries:
Capital Partners for Education, which provides educational assistance to
low-income children in Washington; George Washington University Medical
Faculty Associates, the hospital where he has been treated for his heart
condition; and the University of Wyoming, in Cheney's home state.

They also donated $41,646 to other, unspecified, charities.

Cheney's tax total put him in the rarified realm of the top 39.6 percent
tax
bracket, which Bush wants to eventually reduce to 33 percent. Bush's
effective tax rate came to about 27 percent.

Both Cheney and Bush would stand to get a sizable tax cut under the
president's 10-year, $1.6 trillion tax relief plan.

According to a ''tax calculator'' on the Web site of the conservative
Heritage Foundation, Bush would get a tax cut of $38,979 using his 2000
reported income. That's a 16.2 percent cut.

Figuring Cheney's potential tax cut precisely is more difficult because he
did not disclose how much in itemized deductions he claimed this year. But
using the small standard deduction of $7,350, the calculator estimates
Cheney's tax cut under the Bush plan at more than $2.3 million, a 16.1
percent cut.

The bulk of Bush's income came from $549,236 in interest from investments,
held in state and federal blind trusts. He also reported $138,358 in
capital
gains.

Bush reported earning $70,554 in salary. Bush was governor of Texas until
resigning in December.

Bush took $150,198 in deductions, but did not publicly disclose what they
were.

''This is the standard manner in which he has always released his taxes,''
said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

The Bushes were entitled to a federal income tax refund of $244,534.

They elected to apply about half - $127,220 - to their 2001 tax bill. They
were repaid the difference of $117,314.

Bush reported making $474,917 in estimated tax payments and payments
applied
from his 1999 return, but his tax came to only $240,342 - meaning he
overpaid
by $244,534 counting the $9,959 that was withheld from his governor's
salary.
Bush decided to take a refund of $117,314 and apply the remaining $127,220
toward next year's return.

Most of Cheney's income came when he exercised stock options and sold stock
in Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based energy services firm he headed until
late in the presidential campaign. The White House did not specify
precisely
how much Cheney earned from that.

The vice president received $4.3 million in deferred compensation and
bonuses. He reported $806,332 in salary.

Cheney sold part of his stock to avoid raising conflict-of-interest
questions, and he reported sustaining a $1.9 million loss.

By federal law, some of those losses will have to be carried to future tax
years, the White House said.

He also reported $823,509 in capital gains.

There was no mention of Cheney tax deductions in the statement released by
the White House.

Last year, former President Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore
released more extensive tax information, including detailed accounts of
their
deductions, investments and interest income.

By releasing only the two-page Form 1040, Bush gave no details on how he
made
$549,236 in taxable interest or $138,358 in capital gains - typically from
investments - or what made up his $150,198 in itemized deductions.

 AP-NY-04-13-01 2053EDT

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [NA] Lee Harvey Oswald Must Die! This Time by Injection.

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

Well Kris Barry and the Boys is one of the best books I have read in
years..the cover I count 12 men, but two are without heads - and it
looks like the Last Supper - only thing missing pitchers of the vino?

Would like to share this with you for I have called bible calendar for
such a long time.

First item - notice the Gideon Bible - McVeigh circled passage in this
bible - my one old bible had circled passages - and one captioned "key
experiment".on Song of Solomon, where everything is under the
rose.from civil rights fights to those whose lips are asleep
speak...hypnosis.   Something one sees in the mind?

So I put out one psalm the other day for a clue with hope others would
understandMcVeigh had ciricled "wrath of God" in this Gideon bible,
which is the basis of my entire theory re Premeditated Murder by
Prophecy..have feeling those who have slept are awakening once
again, the old line come to the aid of their country for if they do not,
who will?

I would sure hope anybody interested in stuff like this would read your
book - you mention my old friend Gordon Novel in this book many times -
he was handsome d evil, looked like James Deanwife looked like
Ginger in Gilligans Island.he is a very important man in the history
of this country during the last half century -

Saba

IStory re Gideon Bible and McVeigh...now I always thouoght this
Unibomber went to that hotel and left messages in a biblewhy would
that guy go into this town looking like something rolled out of a
gutter, go to a hotel - where no doubt, one would find the Gideon placed
bible - oh so secret - such a place to leave hidden messages?

So here is this one:

McVeigh attorney seeks to delay building demolition
(c) Copyright the News  Observer Publishing Co.
Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Timothy McVeigh's attorney wants to delay this week's
demolition of the federal building so he can inspect the site, take
pictures and "get the feel of it."

Stephen Jones said he would file papers today seeking a 30-day delay. He
met with McVeigh for 1 1/2 hours Monday and described his client as
"polite, cooperative, anxious."

The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was to be demolished by this
weekend. City officials were to announce Wednesday exactly when the
building will be taken down with explosives.
Jones said he had written to Assistant U.S. Attorney Arlene Joplin
seeking an informal agreement to allow him to examine the building "to
get the feel of it, see it, take pictures and measurements and have the
engineers we will consult with take measurements and video."
Jones also said the taxpayer-funded $125 an hour plus expenses he is
charging for defending McVeigh is fair, and that he normally would
charge $175 to $200 for such a case.

Michael Tigar, the attorney for suspect Terry Nichols, also will charge
$125 per hour. While the rate is high for court-appointed attorneys, it
is much less than lawyers make in private practice, particularly in
high-profile cases, said Randall Coyne, a University of Oklahoma law
professor.

"That's dirt cheap and well below the prevailing rates for private
attorneys," said Coyne. He said top defenders often charge $300 per hour
to clients who can afford them.

"I doubt very much that Johnnie Cochran, for example, is charging O.J.
Simpson such a meager sum," Coyne said.
But even that relatively small amount will add up in a case that may not
go to trial for at least a year. A lawyer who bills 40 hours a week for
a year would charge $260,000, and Coyne said 40-hour weeks are rare in
capital cases.

"These cases can't be handled nine-to-five; they possess your life,"
said Coyne, a death penalty defense specialist.
McVeigh and Nichols are charged in the April 19 bombing that killed 168
people. They face the death penalty if convicted.
In addition to lawyers' fees, the government must pay for the defense's
independent investigation of the crime. Justice Department officials
said last week that the cost of the prosecution's investigation will
reach $10.36 million by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year.
In some other high-profile cases, court-appointed lawyers get far less
than $125 per hour. Leslie Abramson will be paid only $50 an hour for
defending Erik Menendez in his retrial on state charges that he and his
brother, Lyle, murdered their parents for their $14 million estate.

She is now being paid out of public funds after the brothers were ruled
indigent.
A court-appointed second attorney for Susan Smith, the South Carolina
mother charged with drowning her two young sons, will get $70 per hour
for in-court time, and is limited to a total of $25,000 per year.

Other developments:
-- Investigators were trying to determine whether thousands of dollars
worth of crops that disappeared this winter from the Decker, Mich., farm
of Terry Nichols' brother, James, were sold to finance the bombing, The
Detroit News reported.

-- In Detroit, Assistant U.S. Attorney 

[CTRL] ????

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

Anybody get this - is this a virus.,my web tv does not pick up stuff
like this and I am curious Yellowbird

Can someone tell me if this is a joke, pornographic and how did they
send this over the net using this "" address and nothing else?

Some type of scam?   So if a virus, ignoredid anyone else on list
get this? \

I can only imagine what sent it..






 KNGNENKN.EXE



Re: [CTRL] ????***********VIRUS**************

2001-04-14 Thread tnohava

-Caveat Lector-

Ya sure!!! How many times did you want to send it!


 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Aleisha Saba
 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 1:33 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] 


 Anybody get this - is this a virus.,my web tv does not pick up stuff
 like this and I am curious Yellowbird

 Can someone tell me if this is a joke, pornographic and how did they
 send this over the net using this "" address and nothing else?

 Some type of scam?   So if a virus, ignoredid anyone else on list
 get this? \

 I can only imagine what sent it..



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[CTRL] W95.Hybris.Worm

2001-04-14 Thread kl

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The attachment, KNGNENKEN.EXE, that came in with the article titled
CTRL???, is the W95.Hybris.Worm.  I advise against opening any mail
from that source.

It seems to me there's been a very high level of virus activity on a lot of
mail lists the last couple of days.  Or is it just my imagination?
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[CTRL] Cops Use HIV+ Hooker To Bust Pot Users !

2001-04-14 Thread Martin F. Abernathy

-Caveat Lector-

Sting exposed men to HIV, lawsuit claims
But prostitute never had sex to complete
the drug deals, say police in Okanogan

Friday, April 13, 2001

By TRACY JOHNSON
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

A rural Washington police task force used a prostitute to lure men into
supplying her drugs -- an undercover operation that one man claims exposed
numerous people to the virus that causes AIDS. A lawsuit against Okanogan
County and the North Central Washington Task Force contends police should
have known the danger of turning a convicted prostitute into a police
informant.

"It's outrageous police misconduct to do such a thing," attorney Rodney
Reinbold said. "The government has no right to prey on men who are lonely and
expose them to AIDS." County Prosecutor Rick Weber, acting as the attorney
for the county and task force, said the woman, who says she is HIV-positive,
helped nab eight or nine drug suspects. But he maintained that she did not
have sex with any of them.

"She disputes that she was using sex to complete these drug deals," Weber
said. "She denies it. We deny it." The 31-year-old woman signed on as a task
force informant in November, after she completed drug treatment. The officer
who had arrested her for smoking pot talked her into helping the task force,
according to court documents.

She is no longer helping make busts, Weber said, though she still testifies
against drug suspects in court. The lawsuit was filed March 30 by John Danny
Shearer, an apprentice plumber who was arrested for delivering marijuana. The
49-year-old Methow Valley man claims the woman made sexual advances toward
him, cajoling him to hand over some of his pot.

They had sexual contact at least a few times, according to his written
statement, and now he is fearfully waiting to learn if he is HIV-positive.

Five other men arrested on drug charges have come forward, worrying that the
woman may have infected them, Reinbold said. He will ask for approval of a
class-action suit to seek damages for the other men, along with their
partners and their future mates.

Several men gave sworn statements claiming the woman made sexual advances,
then persuaded them to go find her some drugs.At least three said they had
sexual contact with her, completely unaware of her HIV status. Another man
who simply knew the woman claimed "she intended to infect as many men, women
and children as possible before she died."

Reinbold contends the task force knew the woman was HIV-positive. She has
disclosed it in several public court hearings, and she even said she told the
task force herself, according to court documents. The lawyer also argues that
the task force must make sure its informants are gaining the confidence of
drug suspects with sex. "They had an obligation to watch her and know what
she was doing," he said.

A Chelan County judge has banned the task force from employing prostitutes
until April 30, when she will hear arguments from both sides.

Shearer's earlier claim sought millions of dollars: $100,000 for people who
needlessly worried that they were infected with HIV, and $2 million -- plus
$15,000 each year for medical expenses -- for those who contracted the virus.

It also sought $2 million in punitive damages, roughly five times the task
force's $400,000 annual budget, Reinbold said. Aside from money, Shearer's
lawsuit also asks to have all drug cases that involved the woman dismissed.
As a tradeoff, the men would have to take mandatory HIV tests.

Reinbold contends that's the only way to help keep the men from spreading the
deadly virus unknowingly, a measure he deems more important than prosecuting
crimes that involved negligible amounts of drugs.

The drug task force has been around for more than a decade. It targets drug
crimes using the combined resources of police in cities like Omak, Okanogan
and Winthrop with county and state officers. The Okanogan County Sheriff's
Office oversees its efforts. The use of informants is not new, said Weber,
the county prosecutor.

Officers learn all they can about someone's past, he said, then they make "a
judgment call" about whether they would make a trustworthy informant.

They were fully aware that the woman at the center of controversy had a long
rap sheet that involved prostitution, he said. "Drug task forces have a
difficult job," he said. "In order to deal with the criminal conduct, they're
essentially required to employ people who fit into that part of society."

The woman said she was paid for her undercover work, according to court
records. First it was $225 per case, then $50 for each drug buy, and most
recently, a flat $75 a day. Weber said the task force had no policy about
using people who are HIV-positive, simply because the issue hadn't come up
before. He said he didn't know when the task force learned of the woman's HIV
status.

But he was doubtful that the police would condone the woman's alleged tactics
of making sexual advances toward suspected drug 

[CTRL] Alternative to background checks proposed (fwd)

2001-04-14 Thread Yardbird

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22381

Thursday, April 12, 2001


Alternative to background checks pushed
Pro-gun authors' proposal removes current firearm-registration risks


By Jon Dougherty

© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Two pro-firearms authors have developed what they say is a new method of
preventing criminals from purchasing guns, while protecting lawful gun-owners
from the possibility of eventual gun registration or bans.

Brian Puckett, founder of Citizens of America -- a California-based pro-gun
organization, and Russ Howard, a past director for the National Rifle Association
and founder of Citizens Against Corruption, have developed a new system that
would "replace the existing firearm purchase background check system with an
identity search/firearms disability check that eliminates the risk of gun registration
inherent in the current system."

Currently, gun buyers are subjected to NICS -- the National Instant Check System,
operated by the FBI via its West Virginia facility -- that immediately informs
a gun
dealer whether a customer is wanted by police, has a criminal record that would
prohibit the purchase of a gun, or is prevented from owning a gun for other reasons.

But Puckett and Howard have come up with a different system they call "BIDS"
--
Blind Identification Data System -- which purports "to eliminate gun owner
registration while continuing to provide for a system to prevent illegal gun
sales by
dealers."

"In BIDS, the word 'blind' refers to the fact that the government cannot detect
who is
attempting to buy or has bought a firearm and thus cannot add this person's name
to
a registry of gun owners. Nor can gun dealers randomly view a list of persons
who
have been denied the right to buy, own and use firearms," the authors said in
a
published report about the new program.

The report calls the NICS system "deeply flawed" because it "provides the means
for
the government to create and update, with relative ease, an illegal registry
of firearm
owners."

FBI officials say gun buyers are not kept in a permanent database or registry,
but
despite that, the BIDS system, the authors argue, would alleviate that possibility
for
good, should lawmakers ever attempt to force the agency to record gun buyers
and
transactions in a permanent database.

Also, the authors said, "Gun owner registries have already been created in certain
states (Illinois and Pennsylvania, for example) and the federal government continues
to compile a microfilmed list of gun purchasers via surrendered Form 4473's."

The BIDS system, the report said, uses computer and Internet technology to allow
firearm dealers to determine whether or not a potential buyer is prohibited from
purchasing a firearm, but without the government ever knowing the potential
purchaser's name or whether or not he actually bought a firearm.

"Historical records, such as The Federalist Papers, clearly show that the Second
Amendment is intended to stand as a bulwark against establishment of a tyrannical
American government," the report said. "It is elementary that the spirit of the
Second
Amendment opposes the establishment of federal or state registries of gun owners,
which would greatly simplify confiscating guns or rounding up gun owners by such
a tyrannical government."

Also, the report cites federal law, which prohibits government collection of
gun
ownership information.

Section 926 of the 1968 Gun Control Act, the authors quote, says: "No such rule
or
regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearm Owners'
Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this
chapter
or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred
to a
facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any
political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms,
firearms
owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. ..."

Also, the authors said the so-called "Brady Law," which codified the NICS system,
also prevents firearms transaction and ownership records from being permanently
catalogued in a database:

 Section 25.9(d) -- The following records of state and local law enforcement
 units serving as POCs will be subject to the Brady Act's requirements for
 destruction:
 (1) all inquiry and response messages (regardless of media) relating to
 the initiation and result of a check on the NICS that allows a transfer
that
 are not part of a records system created and maintained pursuant to
 independent state law regarding firearms transaction; and
 (2) all other records relating to the person or the transfer created as
a
 result of a NICS check that are not part of a records system created and
 maintained pursuant to independent state law regarding firearms
 transactions.

The authors of the report said that as currently established, the National Instant

[CTRL] Fluoride

2001-04-14 Thread Yardbird

-Caveat Lector-

peter czaplicki wrote:

 My 4 year old has been diagnosed with 9 cavities. She is not much of a sweet
 eater. She does drink a lot of tap water. Could it be that there is too much
 flouride in our local supply? If so, how do I go about approaching this
 problem?

Thank you for a response,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have recently came across a book by Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Professor, Chemist

GOOD TEETH, BIRTH TO DEATH
"THE PRESCRIPTION FOR PERFECT TEETH"
Revised Edition, 117 Pages, January 9, 1997

PUBLISHED BY:
RESEARCH PUBLICATION CO.   (602) 412-3955
GERARD F. JUDD
6615 W. LUBINE
GLENDALE, AZ 85304-3136

Why was this book written? To bring to every human the secret of
how to have strong, non-decaying teeth throughout their life.

"Fluoride is most negative particle on earth."

. Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D Chemist

I think this book report is $8.00 + SH. Trust me, it will
answer your questions.

God speed, please send me your study results.

Kenneth L. Vardon, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  Shocking News About Fluoride The following article exposes the biggest
  on going medical experiment ever carried out by the United States
  Government on an unsuspecting population
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  3. FLUORIDE
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speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me - and
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[CTRL] FLORIDAS GOP JILTING HARRIS

2001-04-14 Thread radman

FLORIDA’S GOP JILTING HARRIS 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0%2C2669%2CSAV-0104020216%2CFF.html


OFFICIAL AT CENTER OF ELECTION FLAP SEEN AS LIABILITY

By Jeff Zeleny 
Tribune staff reporter 
April 2, 2001 

JACKSONVILLE - The line of autograph seekers snaked around two banquet
tables as members of the local Republican Party patiently waited recently
to share a moment with the most noted character of Florida’s election
fable.
There she was, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, embraced by
the rank-and-file Republicans who believe she deserves much of the credit
for President Bush’s victory. But now, in the aftermath of Florida’s
colossal political dispute, the state’s leading Republicans are keeping
their distance.
“People in this town are backing away from her,” said a key GOP aide in
Tallahassee. “The Republican Party can’t say it, but there are certainly
elected Republicans who would rather not be in the public spotlight with
her. It’s unwise politically.”
Harris’ office calendar tells the story.
The secretary of state was invited and then abruptly uninvited to join
Gov. Jeb Bush and members of his election reform task force as they
revealed their findings this month in Tallahassee. Minutes before the
event began, Harris said she was told by the governor’s office that her
presence was not needed.
Days later, as a thunderstorm pounded the state Capitol, Harris canceled
a news conference where she had planned to unveil her $200 million plan
to modernize Florida’s voting system. Her aides said Harris canceled
after the fierce storm kept her from giving a preview to the governor,
the Senate president and the speaker of the House. But the leaders’ aides
said they had no plans to attend the event, rain or shine.
“I think it’s very strange,” Harris said when asked to explain the
back-to-back jilting.

Nervous Republicans
To be sure, Republicans here are nervous. Even though the next state
election is 20 months away, the Florida Democratic Party is already
airing television ads attacking Jeb Bush. With those commercials in mind,
GOP political strategists say it’s dangerous for Republicans to align
themselves too closely with Harris.
Democrats, meanwhile, are savoring the possibilities for future
television ads, many of which are sure to feature Harris. “There’s a
whole lot of fodder out there,” said Tony Wyche of the Florida Democratic
Party.
Four months after one of the most controversial elections in American
history, Harris spends much of her time traveling around the state. She
delivers up to 35 speeches a week, giving Republican audiences a peek
into her thoughts from the election dispute.
The grandchild of a Florida citrus and cattle tycoon, Harris is a former
state senator and served as the state co-chairwoman of the Bush
presidential campaign. But her relationship to the Bush campaign was
barely noticed until after the election. Harris certified the results
that gave Bush a 537-vote margin of victory in Florida and thus the
presidency.
“From my rise from some sort of obscurity to notoriety, famous, infamous
depending on what side of the aisle you’re on, you learn the value of
perspective,” Harris said. “I certainly think I developed a sense of
humor. I used to not be able to laugh at myself. I took myself so
seriously. But at certain points you either had to laugh or go to the
22nd floor of the Capitol and find an
empty window.”
Though Harris is the state’s top election official, she is one of
Tallahassee’s few ranking politicians who has not been invited to testify
before election reform committees in the House and Senate.
It’s a vast change from three months ago. Then, one day after Vice
President Al Gore conceded the bitterly fought election, the Florida
governor and secretary of state stood side-by-side before a bank of
television cameras and pledged to reform the state’s troubled election
system.
“She’s either a heroine or the devil incarnate,” said Susan MacManus, a
professor of political science at the University of South Florida in
Tampa. “There’s not much in between.”

Political liability
Harris’ self-described lightning rod image is bad for political business
as the Republican-controlled Legislature tries to salve the raw wounds
from the 36-day election dispute that ultimately delivered the presidency
to Bush. Jeb Bush, the president’s younger brother, also is trying to
calm the political waters before facing a potential re-election campaign
in 2002.
And even though the secretary of state insists she used the law, not
politics, to guide her during the five-week election controversy,
political strategists say she is unlikely to shed the image she picked up
after the election.
Consider her introduction on a recent night at a celebratory dinner for
the Republican Party of Duval County. Toni Crawford, chairwoman of the
group, introduced Harris as the woman who “played a very pivotal role in
the presidential election” and “assisted” in the election of President

[CTRL] Bombing Big Sur

2001-04-14 Thread William Shannon
http://www.counterpunch.org/




Bombing Big Sur

Apparently, the deserts of Nevada, so similar in terrain to the Pentagon's
other main target practice area, the Iraqi outback, simply aren't challenging
enough for the Navy's top guns any more. Now they want to bomb Big Sur.
A new plan issued by the Navy's Strike Fighter Wing in January calls for
nearly 3,000 bombing practice a year runs from Lenmoore Naval Air Station, in
the Central Valley, and aircraft carriers in the Pacific, to Fort Hunter
Leggett, in the Santa Lucia Mountains near Big Sur. Lemoore is the home base
for the F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter planes. The scheme calls for the jets to
drop 25-pound "test" bombs onto a 500-foot in diameter target painted on the
grounds of Fort Hunter Liggett. One Navy flack called the plan "kindergarten
for bombers".


Pressed by Congressman Sam Farr (D-Monterrey) to explain itself, the Navy,
perhaps trying to capitalize on the current fuel crunch, says it all comes
down to conserving energy. By bombing Big Sur, instead of Fallon, Nevada,
they can save nearly $3 million a year in fuel costs. It's curious that the
Navy doesn't show such a penny-pinching attitude when it comes to funding for
Trident submarines, F-22 jets or aircraft carriers.


The 150,000 acre military base, nestled next to the Ventana Wilderness Area,
was sold to the Pentagon, at a handsome profit, by William Randolph Hearst in
the 1940s, who had evicted the remaining Salinan Indians from the site when
he purchased it as his private pleasure ground in the early 1900s. Today, the
upper Stony Valley area, wedged in the mountains, is still largely an entact
ecosystem, a thriving oak savanna of the type that is becoming increasingly
rare as so much of the coast falls to the bulldozers of developers.


Indeed, a 1981 report commissioned by the Fort's top brass concluded that the
base probably contained a "greater conservation of resources (of grassland,
oak savanna and woodland, and chaparral) than any other contiguous parcel in
the state of California." The land is so special that National Park Service
has tried to get the Army, which manages the Fort, to turn over to them.


This part of the California coast is home to some of the nation's rarest and
most prized species, starting with the California condor and the sea otter.
There are also endangered fairy shrimp, Pogogyne clareanna, a rare mint
endemic to the area, bald eagles and 450 Tule elk.


Not to worry, says the Navy, we have the best interests of these creatures at
heart and no harm will come to them. This is a rather robust bit of
eco-consciousness from the same group that is even now attempting to secure
the right to permanently bombard humpback whales in the Pacific with
mega-shots of high range sonar. The sonar pulses have been known to cause the
whales to issue cries of distress, become disoriented and beach themselves.
The Navy's underwater soundings have also been linked to ear hemorrhages in
the giants of the deep.


Those bullseyes for the Navy fighter jets' bombs would nearly mark the
precise area that the now landless Salinan tribe considers as the center of
the creation. And indeed the area harbors one of the richest clusters of
archaeological sites on the California coast, including painted caves and a
delicate and fragile sandstone natural arch used for vision quests. "It only
takes one bomb to land in the wrong place," says Gregg Castro, head of the
Salinan tribal council. "The arch is unique. Once it's gone it's gone.
There's no repairing it."


There are also several private inholdings within the proposed bombing range,
including the San Antonio de Padua Mission, founded in 1771. The
Franciscans--the closest you get to a nature sect in the Catholic
Church--aren't too pleased about their ancient sanctuary being buzzed by
F/A-18 fighter jets ten times a day. The Friars are joined in opposition with
the Benedictines, who have just built and opened the New Camaldoli Hermitage,
a hillside retreat meant for quit meditation and worship, a few miles away.


Forgive the residents of the coast if they are a little bit skeptical of the
top guns at Navy HQ. After all, this is the same Navy which just sank a
Japanese fishing boat because the sonar crew was distracted by a group of big
time Republican donors who had been allowed to pilot a billion dollar
submarine. Will execs from Boeing or Microsoft be allowed to co-pilot bombing
runs? It's also the same outfit that had to admit that more than 40 percent
of its "smartest" bombs had missed their target in the recent remote control
bombing of Baghdad.


The Navy brass blamed those recent misfires on wind. Well, there's plenty of
that on Big Sur. So you can excuse the residents of San Luis Obispo and, even
Salinas, if they are somewhat anxious about the Navy's novice bombardiers
ability to consistently hit their targets.


The Navy's track record at other bombing sites around the West hasn't been so
hot, either. Nevada has been rocked by 

[CTRL] Global Warming-Ocean Study Points Finger At Mankind

2001-04-14 Thread William Shannon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1274000/1274252.stm




Ocean study points finger at mankind

By BBC Science Correspondent Christine McGourty

 Scientists in the United States have produced the strongest evidence yet
that man-made global warming is responsible for a significant increase in the
temperature of the world's oceans in the last 50 years.

 The average temperature of the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans has risen
0.06 degrees C since 1955.

 Two separate studies - both carried out using computer modelling techniques
- have now linked that rise directly with global warming caused by human
activity.

"I believe our results represent the strongest evidence to date that the
Earth's climate system is responding to human-induced forcing," said Dr
Sydney Levitus of America's National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration in Silver Spring, Maryland.

 Ocean simulation

 Dr Tim Barnett of Scripps Institute of Oceanography, in La Jolla,
California, who led the other research team, indicated the implications of
the findings were not straightforward.

 He said: "Warming in the oceans is bad news and good news. It really does
add strength to the claims that global warming is here. But it also suggests
that the immediate impact may not be as great, because the oceans may slow
things down a little."

 Each research team used a different computer model to simulate how ocean
temperature should respond to current levels of greenhouse gases and other
atmospheric conditions.

 Both predicted a warming similar to that measured by scientists.

The Scripps team also ran their model without the extra greenhouse gases and
sulphate aerosols produced by human activity and found that without these the
simulated ocean did not warm significantly.

 'Big and bold' signal

 "What we found is that the signal is so bold and big that you don't have to
do any fancy statistics to beat it out of the data. It's just there, bang,"
said Dr Barnett.

 "The odds are exceedingly good that the model did not trick us with this
signal. It couldn't have done it by itself."

 He added that the findings "will make it much harder for naysayers to
dismiss predictions from climate models."

 In their model, the team from NOAA also factored in the effects of the sun's
changing intensity and the aerosol particles produced by volcanic eruptions
over the last century.

 'Robust' models

 They too found a very close match to the actual measurements.

 Dr Levitus said: "The fact that the model ocean warms by approximately as
much as our observed estimate indicates that the models are very robust in
simulating the observed changes in the Earth's climate system during the past
100 years."

 Both sets of results are published in this week's Science magazine.

 Computer models have come in for criticism in the past.

 Earlier versions included measurements of atmospheric temperatures, but not
ocean ones.

 Revising predictions

 As a result, it is thought that they frequently predicted that air
temperatures would increase by more than they have - as the oceans absorb
heat.

 The findings have often been used by sceptics, who have argued that global
warming predictions are exaggerated.

 No doubt some will continue to argue that modellers can get any answer they
want about climate change, simply by adjusting any of the numerous inputs
into them.

 The researchers themselves agree more work is needed to make computer models
deliver more consistent and specific predictions.

 But Dr Levitus says that one important benefit of the new research is that
"in future, models will have to get the ocean right in order to be
believable. These results raise the bar for sorting out the best models".





[CTRL] 24 Montagnards receive asylum after fleeing to neighboring Cambodia

2001-04-14 Thread Bill Richer

-Caveat Lector-

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Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!

Persecuted Vietnamese win freedom in U.S.
24 Montagnards receive asylum after fleeing to neighboring Cambodia

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By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

As 24 American military personnel were released from captivity in China this 
week, 24 members of the Montagnard hill tribe of Southeast Asia, long a U.S. 
anti-communist ally, received their own ticket to freedom. 

Earlier this week, the U.S. State Department welcomed a step by Cambodian 
Prime Minister Samdech Hun Sen -- a former leader of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge -- 
toward the resettlement in America of 24 ethnic minority Montagnards who had 
fled their homes in Vietnam. 

The 23 men and one woman were arrested in remote northeastern Cambodia nearly 
a month ago and have been held at military police headquarters in Phnom Penh 
since March 24. 

The decision by the U.S. drew a strong protest from the communist Vietnamese 
dictatorship. Vietnam called the granting of asylum interference in Vietnam's 
domestic affairs that would encourage illegal border crossings and regional 
instability. 

Why did the 24 Montagnards flee their own nation and travel through jungle, 
valleys and landmined fields on their way to Cambodia? The Vietnamese 
government has been persecuting the Montagnards, many of whom are evangelical 
Christians, for over a quarter century. 

Vietnamese dissidents in exile have long accused the communist government of 
brutality repressing Christians and Buddhists, saying hill-tribe people were 
attacked and tortured to death after recent protests in the Central 
Highlands. 

The Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam, Buddhist Hoa Hao, the Catholic Church 
and Protestants of the Central Highlands have all been repressed by the 
government. The Buddhist church, banned since 1981, has been severely 
persecuted. Patriarch Thich Huyen Quang has been detained in his pagoda 
without trial for 20 years. 

"Actually, the Vietnamese dictators want the Montagnards trapped inside 
Vietnam so they can control them and kill them," said Don Scott, who works 
with the hill tribes of Southeast Asia and acts as the American 
representative for the exiled anti-communist Prince of Laos. 

The State Department praised Hun Sen -- whose son graduated from West Point 
last year. Hun Sen was placed in power by the Vietnamese when they invaded 
Cambodia on April 17, 1979, to overthrow Pol Pot and his genocidal regime. 
The U.S. and UK responded by arming the Khmer Rouge cadres in western 
Cambodia to act as a buffer to keep the Vietnamese from invading Thailand -- 
a key U.S. and UK ally. 

By granting asylum to the 24 Montagnards, America's relations with Vietnam 
could be strained. One of the Clinton administration's last acts in office 
was to establish formal trade ties with Vietnam's Marxist government. 

"We ... welcome the decision by Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen to allow 
processing for third-country resettlement those persons determined by the 
U.N. to be refugees," State Department spokesman, Philip Reeker, said in a 
statement. 

The Vietnamese were livid. 

"We protest the granting of permission for these people to settle in the 
United States," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Phan Thuy Thanh said in a 
statement urging their return to Vietnam. 

Earlier this week, U.S. ambassador to Cambodia Kent Wiedemann said officials 
of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service were due in Phnom Penh to 
start processing the group for resettlement in the United States. 

Over 50 members of Congress have signed a letter urging democratic reform in 
Vietnam. The European Parliament has also pushed the letter, which will be 
delivered by Buddhist Monks to Vietnam’s communist government. 

Wiedemann dismissed Hanoi's complaint of interference. 

"It's a humanitarian issue, not interfering in Vietnam's affairs," he said. 
"These people came into Cambodia ... and we interviewed them based on the 
claim that there was a good chance they would face persecution if they 
returned." 

As for the Montagnards fleeing Vietnam, they said they fled their homes to 
escape Vietnam's crackdown on recent unrest. Thousands of ethnic minority 
farmers took part in anti-government protests in Vietnam in early February, 
the biggest for years in the communist country. Recently, the Montagnards 
engaged in a march in Washington, D.C., to call attention to their 
persecution in Vietnam. Some marchers also demanded that Americans boycott 
Vietnamese coffee and Nestle products. The latter has ingredients from the 
communist state. 

The U.S.-based Montagnard Foundation, which represents the mountain tribes, 
wants to see trade and foreign aid cut from the Western nations to Vietnam’s 
regime. 

Kok Ksor, executive director of the South Carolina-based group, told a 
working group at the U.N. 

[CTRL] Bush Baffles Med-Privacy Pundits

2001-04-14 Thread Bill Richer

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Bush Baffles Med-Privacy Pundits
by Jeffrey Benner

2:00 a.m. Apr. 13, 2001 PDT

 The Bush Administration baffled pundits and defied predictions on Thursday
when it decided to allow sweeping privacy regulations drafted under the
Clinton Administration to take effect this Saturday.

Once they become law on Saturday, the new regulations (PDF file) will grant
patients more control over their medical records. Any time medical
information changes hands, it will require consent from the patient --
something the health care industry claims will be cumbersome and expensive to
do.

The new administration has repeatedly declared its opposition to new
government regulations that make it harder to do business. And from repealing
ergonomics legislation to arsenic rules, it's proven itself willing to side
with business, even in hot-button political issues.

The smart money said the same thing would happen to the medical privacy
rules. It was wrong, and now medical privacy pundits are wondering why.

"I'm surprised they didn't pull the rules," said Bob Gelman, a consultant who
has worked on the medical privacy issue for over 20 years. "Everyone I talked
to thought they would. It's a little bizarre."

Gelman is not the only one confused. Health care industry organizations like
the American Hospital Association (AHA) pushed hard to loosen the new rule,
claiming it would be too difficult and expensive to implement.

When Secretary of Health Tommy Thompson reopened the new rules to public
comment last February, it appeared the AHA's message was getting through, and
the administration would make good on its reputation as a friend of business
and foe of government regulation.

Melinda Hatton, an AHA lawyer, struggled to explain what had happened.

"I don't know," she said. "I wish I knew. It was a profound disappointment to
us. We wanted them to extend the effective date and fix the rule."

Joy Pitts, who is senior counsel for Georgetown University's Health Privacy
Project and a supporter of the new regulations, didn't expect the victory.

"It is a surprise," she said. "Especially considering the intense pressure
from the industry. They really put out an all-out attack."

Despite the rule taking effect, the battle isn't over. Critics of the rule,
like the AHA's Hatton, plan to hold Bush and Thompson to their puzzling
promises to modify the rule after it goes into effect.

In the same Thursday statement that announced the rule would become law, Bush
acknowledged that some complaints about it were legitimate, and "asked
Secretary Thompson to recommend appropriate modifications to the rule to
address these concerns."

In a separate statement, Thompson promised to publish "guidelines" that "will
allow us to clarify some of the confusion regarding the impact this rule
might have on health care delivery and access. And we will consider any
necessary modifications that will ensure the quality of care does not suffer
inadvertently from this rule."

Why would the administration implement a new rule and then promise to change
it all in one breath? Larry Gostin, a professor of Law and Public Health at
Georgetown, thinks the administration may have had no choice but to let the
rule stand.

"The legal wiggle room was minuscule," Gostin said. "They're in a box and
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[CTRL] Taipei offers to build Aegis warships

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Taipei offers to build Aegis warships
Officials seek U.S. technology, say they could make vessels more quickly

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By Jon Dougherty
 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

Taiwan is capable of building its own Aegis-equipped destroyers, and would 
actually prefer to do so, but would only build them if the United States 
agreed to transfer the military technology at the heart of the system. 

According to the Taipei Times, Taiwanese Vice Adm. Hung Cheng-lo, deputy 
chief of the general staff for defense planning, said Taiwan has the 
shipbuilding experience but lacks only the software technology to build ships 
equivalent in performance capability to U.S. warships. 


USS John A Moore, a Perry-class frigate decommissioned in September 1998. 
Taiwan has built its own warships based on this class. 

"Our state-run China Shipbuilding Corporation [CSC] has experience and 
competence in building warships," he told the paper. "It built the 
Chengkung-class frigates" for Taiwan's navy. 

The ships, which are based on U.S. Perry-class frigates, are still under 
construction under a program to build eight of them. The program, which began 
in 1989, is slated to end soon, with the construction and delivery of the 
eighth warship. The last ship should be delivered to Taiwan's navy in 2004; 
each vessel costs around $212 million. 

"The previous shipbuilding experience of the CSC shows that we Taiwanese are 
not inferior to the people of any other country," Hung said in speech to 
lawmakers earlier this week. 

In addition to the seven Chengkung-class frigates, six Lafayette-class 
frigates have been purchased from France and six Knot-class frigates have 
been leased from the United States to form the backbone of Taiwan's fleet. 

Other naval officials told the newspaper that while Taiwan was eager to get 
advanced U.S.-built warships like Aegis-equipped destroyers, officials were 
less interested in buying them without technology transfers than they are 
about building them in Taiwan with U.S. technology. 

One of the reasons why, officials say, is the lengthy amount of time it would 
take to acquire the U.S.-built ships. Even if the Bush administration agrees 
to sell Taiwan Aegis air-defense and battle-management warships at a meeting 
between both countries later this month in Washington, D.C., it would still 
take eight to ten years to build, test and transfer the warships. 

Taiwanese officials have said they were interested in buying four of the 
U.S.-built ships, but the Bush administration has not publicly committed to 
the sale. 

"If the U.S. agrees to sell us the Aegis-equipped ships this year, the ships 
will not be delivered to us for another eight to ten years," one unnamed 
Taiwanese naval official told the paper. "What the navy wants most is to buy 
technology from the U.S. and build the Aegis-equipped ships in Taiwan." 

One CSC official quoted by the paper said the company "absolutely has the 
ability to build Aegis-equipped ships." 

"The CSC is very good at assembling ships, as long as it gets the blueprints 
for them," said the official, who was not named. "It will be the same with 
the Aegis-equipped ships." 

"When we built the Chengkung-class frigates, we took only 40 months to 
produce one vessel," the official told the paper. "We have the ability to 
build advanced ships. What we need is technical support from the U.S." 

Perry-class frigates are primarily warfare ships intended to provide 
open-ocean escort of amphibious ships and convoys in low- to moderate-threat 
environments in a global war with the Soviet Union. They could also provide 
limited defense against anti-ship missiles existent in the '70s and '80s, 
according to the Federation of American Scientists. 

The ships are equipped to escort and protect carrier battle groups, 
amphibious landing groups, underway replenishment groups and convoys. They 
can also conduct independent operations to perform such tasks as maritime 
interception operations and exercises with other nations. 

The class, however, is viewed as vulnerable to multiple anti-ship missile 
threats and functions now primarily in an anti-submarine and patrol role. 

They are robust, however, as demonstrated by past incidents. The USS Stark 
was hit by two Iraqi-fired Exocet anti-ship missiles in 1987. And the USS 
Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine. But both ships survived, were repaired and 
returned to the fleet, FAS said. 

The U.S. Navy has 36 Perry-class frigates in active service. The namesake 
warship, the USS Oliver Hazard Perry, built in 1977, was decommissioned Feb. 
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[CTRL] China exerts influence in Latin America

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China exerts influence in Latin America
Jiang Zemin's regional tour goes to communist-soulmate Cuba

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By Toby Westerman
 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

Chinese President Jiang Zemin arrived in Cuba for a three-day visit "to 
strengthen the already broad and excellent relations between Cuba and the 
Peoples Republic of China," according to official Cuban sources. 

"It is common knowledge that China and Cuba have very good bilateral 
relations," stated China's ambassador to Cuba, Wang Chengjia. "Cuba and China 
are both socialist countries; we share the same ideals and objectives," Wang 
declared. 

The statements were carried by Radio Habana Cuba, the official broadcasting 
service of the Cuban government. 

Jiang's Cuban tour, which began Thursday, is part of an extended trip 
throughout much of Latin America, including Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, 
Venezuela and Chile, as well as a number of Central American states. This is 
Jiang's first official visit to the region since 1993 and occurred in the 
midst of the Chinese-U.S. crisis over 24 U.S. service personnel held for 11 
days in China. 

Jiang is visiting Cuba, according to Radio Habana, in response to an 
invitation from Cuban President Fidel Castro. 

Trade and other forms of mutual cooperation are expected to increase even 
further after Jiang's visit to the island, especially in the areas of 
electronics and telecommunications. 

China-Cuban trade already stands at some $500 million annually. 

Just prior to Jiang's arrival on the island, Havana and Beijing signed an 
accord in the "electronics, infomatics and telecommunications sector," 
according to Cuban sources. 

China and Cuba are planning joint production of "TVs, VCRs, air conditioners, 
mobile telephones, and short-wave radios" for both Cuban consumption and 
foreign export, Havana stated. 

Although no mention was made of any military use of China's high-tech aid to 
Cuba, some observers are uneasy about Beijing's increasingly sophisticated 
technological assistance to Havana. 

Beijing is in possession of advanced technology from U.S., western European 
and Russian sources -- and some sources claim that China is already operating 
a spy base in Cuba similar to the Russian surveillance facility at Lourdes. 

U.S.-Cuban relations remain very cool, even hostile at times. While the U.S. 
condemns a variety of human-rights abuses on the Caribbean island, Cuba 
regularly denounces various U.S. activities throughout the world. 

In April 2000, at a meeting of under-developed nations in Havana, Castro 
called for "Nuremberg trials" for the leaders of the "current economic world 
order," of which the U.S. is seen by Cuba as the prime moving force. 

It was Easter weekend exactly one year ago that saw the culmination of 
another tense incident in U.S.-Cuban relations. In an early-morning raid, 
U.S. Justice Department officials seized 6-year-old Cuban Elian Gonzalez from 
his relatives' home in Miami before returning him to the custody of his 
father, who returned him to Cuba. Gonzalez had been rescued at sea after a 
shipwreck that cost his mother her life, as she attempted to secure freedom 
for her family in the U.S. 

Cuban-U.S. ties have also been affected by the ongoing trial of the 
participants in the "Wasp Network", a group of Cuban agents allegedly seeking 
to acquire sensitive military information regarding U.S. defenses, as well as 
attempting to cripple ant-Castro forces in the U.S. 

The leader of the "Wasp Network" has been implicated in the death of several 
Cuban exiles whose plane was intercepted and destroyed by Cuban jet fighters. 
The exiles were attempting to aid refugees fleeing the communist-held island. 

Jiang's visit also is provoking concern in Taiwan. The government of the 
Republic of China on Taiwan has expressed concern that Jiang is seeking to 
undermine support for the ROC in Central America. 

Taiwan believes that Jiang is attempting during his tour to "increase China's 
influence" among nations that have been "staunch allies of Taiwan," according 
to Radio Taipei International, the official broadcasting service of the ROC. 

China regards Taiwan as a rebel province and has vowed to retake the island 
-- by force if necessary. Taiwan regards itself as the heir to the Republic 
of China established by Sun Yat-sen in 1912 after the overthrow of the last 
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[CTRL]

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

TNOHAVA:   The below item was sent to me on list..obviously it is
from someone who has a computer - I have a web TV and it is impossible
to send such such whatever it is.

So I have forwarded to ABUSE on WEB TV and to other parties so they can
check it out.

The forward is exactly how it came which is rather strange - for no way
to even reply to it on a web tv.

Guess this stuff is traceable according to man at web with whom I spoke
- he can find origin.

Saba

But I am still curious as to what this thing is.   Below is exact copy -
so if anyone knows how to pull it up let me know - but if is a virus,
you will know if you are protected.










 KNGNENKN.EXE



[CTRL] Fwd: Illuminati in America

2001-04-14 Thread William Shannon





UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 6, Number 15
April 12, 2001
Editor: Joseph Trainor

 http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ 

1793: SINISTER CITIZEN

  April 8 marks an important date in conspiracy history--the arrival of
Citoyen (Citizen) Genet in Charleston, South Carolina.
  Genet was born on January 8, 1763 at Versailles in France, the son of
Marie Anne Louise Cardon de Genet and Edme Jacques Genet, a high-ranking
bureaucrat in the French Foreign Office who specialized in Anglo-American
relations.  The Genets were friends of Benjamin Franklin, active in
Freemasonry and moved in philosophy circles.
  Edmond had a gift for languages, easily mastering Spanish, English,
German and Russian.  After graduating from the university, he took over his
father's job at the Foreign Office and soon came to the attention of the
former prime minister, the Comte (Count) de Vergennes
  Like Dr. Franklin, the UK's Sir Francis Dashwood and Lord Dalrymple,
Vergennes seems to have been part of an informal "International Party" that
was talking about a "New Europe" at a time when Illuminati founder Adam
Weishaupt was still teaching college courses and Anacharsis Clootz was still
wandering around the Middle East.  (For more on Clootz, the self-styled
"Secretary-General and Orator of the Human Race," see UFO Roundup, volume 5,
number 16 for April 29, 2000, "Unforgettable Anacharsis Clootz," page 6.)
  Through Vergennes, Genet was introduced to Charles Francois LeBrun and
Philippe, Duc (Duke) d'Orleans, younger brother of King Louis XVI, and became
a regular at the Lodge of the Nine Sisters, a favorite hangout of the
Illuminati.  In 1786, Weishaupt suggested to LeBrun that the order send Genet
to Russia, to help foment revolution there.
  So Genet became charge d'affaires at the French embassy in St.
Petersburg.  Here he worked with the Sicilian Illuminatus Joseph Balsamo,
also known as the magician Cagliostro, in recruiting Russian nobles into the
Illuminati.
  Genet was a big success in Russia.  He spoke the language so well that
people thought he was from Voronezh.  Among the Illuminati he worked with in
Russia were Nicholas Novikov, editor of the newspaper The Wasp, and Prince
Pavel Dolgorukii, who, by the way, was the maternal grandfather of Theosophy
founder Elena Petrovna von Hahn Blavatsky.
  By 1790, there were 165 Masonic lodges in Russia, all reporting to the
Grand Lodges of St. Petersburg and Moscow.  Many of the lodges had been
"Illuminized" by Genet and Novikov.
  Alarmed by the violent turn the French Revolution took in August 1792,
and by the arrest of the royal family, Tsaritsa Ekaterina (also known as
Catherine the Great) asked her trusted advisor, Count Platon Subtov, to
investigate the "Martinists," as the Illuminati were called in Russia.  As a
result, Genet was arrested and sent home to Paris.
  Weishaupt and his inner circle decided to try their luck elsewhere.
Brissot, another friend of Genet's and LeBrun's from the Foreign Office, was
on the verge of becoming France's prime minister.  He arranged for the
Convention to send Genet to the USA as the new French ambassador.
  Publicly, Genet's diplomatic mission was to persuade President George
Washington to honor the Treaty of 1778 and enter the new European War on the
French side.  But Genet had a hidden agenda, as well, to carry out a bizarre
scheme hatched by Weishaupt and "Secretary-General" Clootz.
  Governor Moultrie and the people of Charleston welcomed Genet on April
8, 1793 with a great "civic feast" and much fanfare.  Women baked cakes in
the shape of royal coats-of-arms and the partygoers had fun slicing them up
and gobbling down the pastry.  Genet was even more popular in the new
territories of Kentucky and Tennessee.
  But President Washington wasn't so thrilled with the new ambassador.
Washington had originally approved of the French Revolution.  But the arrest
of the king, to whom he had written on several occasions, troubled him, and
the arrest and exile of his old comrade-in-arms, the Marquis de Lafayette,
angered him, as did the massacre of Lafayette's mother's family, the de
Noailles.
  No sooner had Genet arrived in Philadelphia (then capital of the
USA--J.T.) than trouble began.  Genet organized a Democratic Society of
Philadelphia, an organization designed to agitate for "a new republic," and
to elect candidates more favorable to France.  The society eventually gave its
name to the political faction around Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson,
which became the Democratic-Republican Party, and in the next century, the
Democratic Party.
  Jefferson defended the French Revolution and its ideals.  Treasury
Secretary Alexander Hamilton and John Jay were pro-British and looked on les
Brissotins like Genet as "murderers, criminals and mad dogs."  Hamilton
complained, "He (Jefferson) has a womanish attachment to France."
  Genet grew bolder.  Soon he was acting like he was the president, not
George 

Re: [CTRL]

2001-04-14 Thread kl

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On 14 Apr 2001, at 17:13, Aleisha Saba wrote:


 But I am still curious as to what this thing is.   Below is exact copy - so
 if anyone knows how to pull it up let me know - but if is a virus, you will
 know if you are protected.


It is the W95.Hybris.Worm.  Yes, it is a virus, and anyone running
Windows who is foolish enough to open your attachment will infect their
computer.   You really shouldn't send stuff out like this - that's how
viruses are spread in case you didn't know.
--

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2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Thanks KI - think it is someone on this list for how could they even
send it out with just "" and nothing else - I did pass it on.

My computer has no modem; use strictly for personal stuff and that which
is private but I do not like mail like this - so I think the source can
be traced.

No virus can wipe out my stuff on web - it can cut me off, but my files
are under control of web tv - maybe this is someone seeking revenge?

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[CTRL] Fwd: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message yo u sent.

2001-04-14 Thread Aleisha Saba

Well KI just read this one which I forward and one wonders if this is
not same person who wrote that other piece???

So this is suspect too?Am forwarded to WEB TV and other source to
check out.

Also going to send to a friend who is expert in this field

Saba




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Re: [CTRL]

2001-04-14 Thread William Shannon
Yeah, it's almost funny that you insist on sending that virus each and every
time you post on the subject!
Stop it!!
What's wrong with you Colleen?? Damn!!!

Bill.


[CTRL] WND: Labor secretary on first-name basis with President Jiang Zemin

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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[Arrow emphasis added.  --MS]

 CHINA CRISIS RESOLVED

Bush administration mum on Chao's role

Labor secretary on first-name basis with President Jiang Zemin


By Paul Sperry (C) 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON -- President Bush reportedly never picked up the phone and
called Chinese President Jiang Zemin to free Navy airmen held in China.
But maybe he didn't have to.

A member of his Cabinet is on a first-name basis with Jiang.

= Labor Secretary Elaine Chao's father went to
= college with Jiang in Shanghai, and his shipping
= company does business with China. Chao herself
= has met privately with Jiang in Washington and
= in Beijing.

Did Bush, who is not chummy with China's leadership, use Chao to develop
backchannel communications with Jiang?

His spokespeople won't say.

But they don't deny that she may have participated in high-level talks
with the White House and State Department to negotiate an end to the
standoff over the downed U.S. reconnaissance plane.

"I'm not at liberty to discuss any diplomatic conversations, or get into
the participants in the meetings," said White House spokesman Jimmy Orr.

Most of the face-to-face negotiations took place in Beijing.

But some officials, including Secretary of State Colin Powell's deputy,
met with the Chinese ambassador here.

Did Chao join in those talks?

"There were a lot of people involved in the talks, so I couldn't answer
that," said State Department spokeswoman Victoria DeLong.

Chao's spokesman Stuart Roy dodged the question altogether.

Asked if the secretary was involved in any of the negotiations, Roy
snapped -- "Why? Because she's Chinese? I gotta go. I gotta go" --
before abruptly hanging up the phone.

A spokeswoman for James Chao, chairman of Foremost Maritime Corp. in
New York, said he was "out of town" and couldn't comment. She says Chao
hasn't been to Washington since attending his daughter's confirmation
hearing.

The spokeswoman, however, proffered her own opinion of how the crisis
will affect U.S.-Sino relations: "I think eventually it will be good,
because after this happened there will be more understanding about the
policy" for U.S. surveillance flights off China's coast.

If Chao did help break the logjam, so far no one at her old shop, the
Heritage Foundation, is gloating.

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Re: [CTRL] W95.Hybris.Worm

2001-04-14 Thread c.

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my colleague recieved exact same one and thought the same things you do-
hysterical paranoia, etc
but i have recieved it from the same fake domain as she and it disspelled
her paranoia. i got it yesterday to an email addie that is never used except
for particular things- so it is strange if even spam, let alone a virus
spam, shows up there... so i would have been similarly paranoid if my
colleague hadn't just been through it.
i very rarely revieve viruses- but lately there does seem to be this one
turning up all over the place- not only on lists.

but dammit aleisha- i thought you would have been better informed of what
not to do with a virus (i.e. sending it to the flipping listtwice?!) and
while it seems personal- it prolly ain't.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] W95.Hybris.Worm


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 Thanks KI - think it is someone on this list for how could they even
 send it out with just "" and nothing else - I did pass it on.

 My computer has no modem; use strictly for personal stuff and that which
 is private but I do not like mail like this - so I think the source can
 be traced.

 No virus can wipe out my stuff on web - it can cut me off, but my files
 are under control of web tv - maybe this is someone seeking revenge?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message yo u sent.

2001-04-14 Thread c.

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actually there was no attachment on kl's mail so i doubt there is a virus
attached... but i will NOT open any attachments on ANY of your mails,
aleisha cause you got the POX baby
unclean!unclean!

read a Faquing FAQ before you send it again you dirty girl

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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a
message yo u sent.


 Well KI just read this one which I forward and one wonders if this is
 not same person who wrote that other piece???

 So this is suspect too?Am forwarded to WEB TV and other source to
 check out.

 Also going to send to a friend who is expert in this field

 Saba



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[CTRL] How the GOP Gamed the System in Florida

2001-04-14 Thread radman

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How the GOP Gamed the System in Florida

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010430s=lantigua

April 30, 2001

by JOHN LANTIGUA

On July 10, 2000, in the midst of the presidential campaign, GOP candidate
George W.  Bush addressed the national NAACP convention in Baltimore and
denounced such "new forms of racism" as racial profiling and redlining. But
even as he spoke, a very old, traditional form of racism was being
implemented in Florida: the disfranchisement of eligible voters, especially
blacks, which helped Bush win that state and the election.
Despite one well-reported incident involving a police checkpoint near a
polling place, disfranchisement
2000-style did not depend on intimidation. Cattle prods and attack dogs,
the legacy of former Birmingham
Commissioner of Public Safety Bull Connor, were nowhere in evidence.
Instead, Florida state elections
officials and hired data crunchers used computers to target thousands of
voters, many of whom were then
purged from the voter rolls without reason. And many thousands more saw
their votes thrown out as a result
of error-prone voting machines and poorly designed ballots, the results of
an underfunded and chaotic
electoral system.

In all, some 200,000 Floridians were either not permitted to vote in the
November 7 election on questionable or possibly illegal grounds, or saw
their ballots discarded and not counted. A large and disproportionate
number were black.

Florida's black leaders, already engaged in an emotional, bitter
confrontation with Governor Jeb Bush, George W. Bush's brother, had mounted
an unprecedented voter registration effort to defeat candidates they saw as
political enemies. According to exit polls, 65 percent more black voters
went to the polls in Florida in 2000 than in the 1996 election, and of the
votes that were counted, blacks went at least 9 to 1 for Democrat Al Gore.
But the votes that were tallied were not enough. After the US Supreme Court
cut off ballot recounts, Bush had a margin of 537 votes out of more than
5.8 million cast. The closeness of the final count made all votes not cast
and not counted that much more crucial. (As one example, the Palm Beach
Post recently reported that Gore lost 6,600 votes in Palm Beach County
alone because of the infamous butterfly ballot, more than ten times Bush's
margin of victory.)
State officials deny racist intent in their actions, but the US Commission
on Civil Rights conducted two hearings in Florida in January and February
to determine why so many Floridians were denied the right to vote. In a
preliminary assessment, the commission noted that the Voting Rights Act of
1965 "was aimed at subtle, as well as obvious, state regulation and
practices" that could deny citizens the right to vote because of their
race. The commission said it found evidence of "prohibited discrimination"
in Florida's polling process. A final report is due this summer.
The NAACP and others filed suit on January 10 against Secretary of State
Katherine Harris, who was a co-chair of the campaign and is responsible for
the conduct of fair elections in Florida, and other Florida officials,
charging them with violating the Fourteenth Amendment and the 1965 Voting
Rights Act. The suit demands many reforms of the Florida electoral system.
But no future remedy can undo what happened in 2000, only a portion of
which has been revealed through the hearing, the suit and media reports.
"They done got us," said civil rights veteran Elmore Bryant of Marianna,
Florida, referring to the GOP-mandated purge of voter rolls. "They had
themselves a game and we had no game. The old leaders in the  '60s wouldn't
have let this happen. We woulda had us a game too, but we didn't. They done
got us good."
The stage for the November 7 election and the effort by black leaders to
defeat George W. Bush was set during Jeb Bush's initial and unsuccessful
run for governor in 1994.  During a debate in Tampa on July 27 of that
year, Bush was asked by a journalist what he would do for Florida's black
community if he was elected. His answer was both concise and prophetic.
"Probably nothing," he said, explaining that he favored what he called
"equality of opportunity" for all Floridians. Four years later, when he ran
again, he avoided such candor.  But although he won, he was backed by only
10 percent of the state's blacks, according to exit polls. In his first
year in office, Bush then eliminated most affirmative action programs
benefiting minorities and women, substituting a plan he called the One
Florida Initiative. That program ended guaranteed minority and female
set-asides in state hiring, in the awarding of state contracts (only 1
percent of state spending for merchandise and services went to
minority-owned firms as it was, according to the Miami Herald) and in
university admissions. Polls had shown that such a move would be popular
with the white majority in the state. Black and feminist leaders called it
a betrayal.
After the 

[CTRL] WP: On the return of the aircrew from China: We Lost

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13350-2001Apr12.html

We Lost

By Robert Kagan and William Kristol

The Washington Post
Friday, April 13, 2001; Page A23

In the United States today, Americans are celebrating the return of the
aircrew from China. President Bush is being widely praised for his deft
handling of the hostage crisis. In China today, the government-run media
are celebrating a great "victory" over the American superpower. Chinese
leaders are being praised for extracting an apology from the United
States for its aggressive invasion of Chinese territory. Who is right to
celebrate? Comforting as it would be to believe otherwise, the Chinese
see more clearly than we do that -- so far -- they have won and we have
lost.

First, make no mistake: The United States has apologized. And the fact
of our apology is all the more humiliating because the United States was
in no way to blame for the incident. An American surveillance plane
flying in international airspace was bumped by a Chinese fighter and
forced to make an emergency landing in Chinese territory.

The Chinese pilot, some say, was "reckless." Maybe so. But the pilot was
only carrying out his government's specific orders to recklessly harass
American aircraft flying over the South China Sea, which Beijing wants
to claim as Chinese territory and from which the Chinese military wants
the United States excluded. For months the Chinese have been directing
their pilots to fly closer to American surveillance planes. And for
months they have ignored repeated U.S. warnings about the dangers of
this new, aggressive policy.

And so the collision was not, as American officials insist, a "tragic"
accident for which no one was to blame. It was the direct consequence of
a deliberate Chinese policy to increase the risks to American pilots and
crew -- and to their own -- in order to achieve a military objective.

Confronted by this direct and deliberate challenge, the United States
has apologized. We have not only expressed regret and sorrow for the
loss of the Chinese pilot and plane. We have publicly declared that we
are "very sorry" for violating Chinese airspace by landing our crippled
plane in Chinese territory. And let us not forgot why we apologized. The
letter that our ambassador delivered to the Chinese government this week
was not the product of high diplomacy. It was not the product of
Sino-American "cooperation" -- a welcome harbinger of future "crisis
management" between the two powers. It was the product of Chinese
extortion. They held our troops hostage until we said, "Uncle." When we
finally said something that in Chinese sounds a lot like "uncle," they
let them go.

We can kid ourselves all we want, but we have suffered a blow to our
prestige and reputation, a loss that will reverberate throughout the
world if we do not begin immediately to repair the damage. The problem
is not merely that we have lost face -- though the Chinese are right to
believe that great powers should place a high value on their reputation.
The bigger problem is that our reliability as defender of the peace and
protector of friends and allies, especially in East Asia, has been
thrown into doubt. If we do not have the will to stand up to the Chinese
when they hold 24 Americans for 10 days, who can believe we will stand
up to China when it threatens Taiwan and dares us to risk thousands more
troops to defend that democratic ally?

Nor should anyone doubt that Saddam Hussein has studied this whole
affair intently to see how the United States responds when faced with
this kind of bullying. So far the lesson is all too clear: When you
bully the United States, the United States searches for a way to
apologize.

Fortunately, the hostage crisis just ended was only Act One in the
Sino-American confrontation. Act Two begins now. As Richard Perle,
Charles Krauthammer and others have said, China must now pay a price for
its appalling and bellicose behavior. The point is not to exact
vengeance. The point is not to seek confrontation for its own sake. The
point is to make clear to the Chinese government that this kind of
muscle-flexing and flagrant violation of international norms cannot be
tolerated, and will not be rewarded or excused.

Right now the United States can take steps to ensure that China
understands how counterproductive its actions have been. First, we can
resume our surveillance flights in the South China Sea immediately,
without any deviation from the routes and methods used before the
crisis. Then, in two weeks, the Bush administration should agree to the
sale of a robust package of weapons to Taiwan, including a commitment to
sell Taiwan the Aegis system. We should do this not only to send a
message to China. We have an obligation to give the Taiwanese democracy
what it needs to defend itself against an increasingly threatening
Chinese military posture. But the Chinese also need to know that their
efforts to drive us away from Taiwan are 

[CTRL] Extreme Weather Sourcebook 2001

2001-04-14 Thread radman

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Extreme Weather Sourcebook 2001

http://www.esig.ucar.edu/sourcebook/

The latest version of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
Extreme Weather Sourcebook offers easy access to updated data on the
economic damage from hurricanes, floods, and tornadoes in the United
States and its territories. Time spans for each type of extreme
weather vary, with hurricane data covering 1900-99, tornadoes
1950-99, floods 1955-1999, and lightning 1959-1994; however, all
damage data are reported in constant 1999 dollars to simplify
comparisons. The data are offered by weather event and state by rank
or alphabetically.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Links for Tyree Paper, DOJ suit against Harvard

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan





Kris:

Can you send far and wide? Thanks.



Tyree Papers---The Second Generation

This is an update of the Bill Tyree flowcharts and power maps regarding the
who and how of power in our world. He just finished mailing from his prison
cell in South Walpole last month. Publish away:


http://www.solari.com/tyree/flowcharts.pdf

http://www.solari.com/tyree/flowcharts.pdf

http://www.solari.com/tyree/affidavidofgordonthomas.pdf


This is a copy of the qui tam adopted by DOJ against Harvard for its role in
the rape of Russia. Publish away:

http://www.solari.com/harvardcomplaint.pdf







[CTRL] Golly Wally Doodle . . .

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan

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Saba and whomever, please think before posting to the list.

I do not believe that the virus was viable as shown,  the actions are very
provacative, though.

Om
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Re: [CTRL] Golly Wally Doodle . . .

2001-04-14 Thread tnohava

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Read for yourself
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.hybris.gen.html

Technical description:

When the worm attachment is executed, the Wsock32.dll file is modified or
replaced. Once the worm has infected wsock32.dll, it has the abilty to
monitor the Internet connection as well as incoming and outgoing email
traffic. The worm then scans for email addresses. When an email address is
detected whether on an Internet site or in email being sent or received, the
worm waits for a period of time and then sends an infected message to the
detected address.

The worm attempts to connect to the alt.comp.virus newsgroup. If it connects
successfully, then the worm uploads its own plug-ins to this newsgroup in an
encrypted form. It goes thru the subject header of the messages, and tries
to match a specific format. The subject header will also specify the version
number of the attached plug-in if the plug-ins are present. If newer
versions of the plug-ins are found, the worm downloads them and updates its
behavior.

One of the plug-ins for W95.Hybris.gen generates a spiral image. Upon
execution, the plug-in initially loads OpenGL libraries which are used to
draw a large black and white spiral image. It also registers itself as a
service; this prevents it from being displayed in the Close Programs dialog
box. For additional information on this, see the document W95.Hybris.Plugin.

This worm also has a plug-in that infects executable programs. The DOS EXE
infection is fairly simple dropping technique. The virus code is appended to
the end of the file with a small 16-bit dropper routine. This routine
creates a temporary file with an .exe extension in the TEMP folder and
executes it. It then deletes the temporary executable. In this way,
Wsock32.dll is infected with the actual worm body. The PE executables have a
much more complicated file infection process. PE files become infected only
if they have a long enough code section. The virus infection plug-in packs
the original code area and overwrites it if it will fit in the same place.
This complicated antiheuristic infection technique is difficult but possible
to repair.

If Wsock32.dll is being used by the system, the worm cannot modify it. In
this situation, the worm will add a registry entry to one of the following
subkeys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce

It always alternates between these two keys as the worm spreads from one
computer to another. The worm hooks onto the following exports of
Wsock32.dll:

send()
recv()
connect()

Whenever you send email, the worm sends a second message to the same person,
attaching a copy of itself using a randomly generated file name.



Removal instructions:

To remove the W95.Hybris.gen worm, follow these steps:

1. Run LiveUpdate to ensure that you have the most recent virus definitions.
They must be dated September 25, 2000, or later.
2. Start NAV, and perform a full system scan. Make sure that NAV is set to
scan all files. When an infected file is detected, do the following:
When Wsock32.dll is detected as infected, choose Repair. In most cases, NAV
can repair this file. If NAV cannot repair the file, then you will need to
replace it from the Windows installation CD. If you need to replace this
file, see the instructions in the next section.

NOTE: If NAV cannot repair Wsock32.dll when Windows is in normal mode, then
try to repair it in Safe Mode. This is particularly true if you are
connected to a network; in this case you may see a "sharing violation"
message when NAV attempts the repair. To try this, restart the computer in
Safe Mode. If this is not successful, then you must extract a new copy as
explained in the next section.

Delete all other detected files; their contents have been overwritten by the
worm. You must restore them from backups or, in the case of application
software, reinstall the programs.
3. If you see a rotating spiral on the Windows desktop, you must follow addi
tional steps to remove it. See the section To remove the rotating spiral.

To extract a new copy of the Wsock32.dll file:
This is necessary only if Wsock32.dll cannot be repaired. You need to use
the Extract command at a DOS prompt. Follow these steps to do this, using
the instructions for your operating system.

NOTES:
Have the Windows installation CD available.
When typing the command, substitute the appropriate drive letter for your
CD-ROM drive for the letter x. For example, if you are using Windows 98, and
the CD-ROM drive is the drive D, then you would type

extract /a d:\win98\precopy1.cab wsock32.dll /L c:\windows\system

If Windows is installed in a folder other than C:\Windows, then substitute
the appropriate path or folder name in the last part of the command that
refers to the \Windows\System folder.
For detailed instructions on using the Extract command, see the Microsoft
document How to Extract 

[CTRL] Million Homeless Moms

2001-04-14 Thread Yardbird

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http://www.examiner.com/news/default.jsp?story=n.mom.0412w

Million Mom March leaving
   its office space

   By Christopher Merrill
   Of The Examiner Staff

   The Million Mom March foundation is moving out of
rent-free
   office space it enjoyed for two years on the third floor
of a building
   at San Francisco General Hospital.

   A pro-gun activist launched a campaign against the
group this
   year when he discovered what he said were unapproved taxpayer
   subsidies -- meaning free rent -- going toward the ailing
   gun-control organization.

   The foundation, which gained notoriety for its march
on
   Washington last year, has had financial trouble lately,
said Mary
   Leigh Blek, president of the foundation. Thirty of 35
staff were let
   go last month out of the national office in the hospital.
Executive
   director James McGuire resigned as director and as a board
   member last month.

   The questions about the propriety of the group's office
space
   was another headache for the organization.

   The hospital property belongs to the city, and the
Board of
   Supervisors has to approve such arrangements. That has
not
   happened in the case of the Million Mom March, an education
   and advocacy group that supports stricter gun laws.

   McGuire said the group is an offshoot of the Trauma
   Foundation, a nonprofit injury prevention group that has
rights to
   the space. That group, which McGuire also founded, was
given
   the space for free in 1981 through an arrangement with
Donald
   Trunkey, then the director of the hospital's burn center.
McGuire
   said all political activities of the Million Mom March
are carried out
   at another office, meaning that taxpayers aren't unwittingly
   supporting a political organization.

   Gun activist James March dismissed that explanation,
saying
   McGuire is involved in several gun-control groups, some
of which
   are used as a cover for others.

   "They can't keep their story straight," March said.
"All roads
   lead back to (McGuire)."

   On Wednesday, some supervisors said they were concerned
   the groups may have become too cozy with city property.

   "Any property that the city and county owns, that
we then
   lease to someone, should not be subleased," said Supervisor
   Leland Yee, who has questioned the hospital's financial
practices
   in the past.

   Supervisor Aaron Peskin, a member of the city's finance
   committee, raised questions about the lack of lease for
either
   group. He noted that the city administrative code requires
all
   leases worth more than $500,000 in a five-year period
be revisited.

   Blek is confident the group will rebound in the coming
year.
   Rallies are planned on Mother's Day in every state the
group has
   chapters. In Sacramento the group will support a bill
that requires
   Californians to pass a written test, a firing-range 
demonstration
   and a thumbprint for a state Department of Justice background
   check.

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[CTRL] Handgun Deaths At 35-Year Low (fwd)

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Subject: Handgun Deaths At 35-Year Low
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:51:30 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neal Knox)

Neal Knox Update, April 13 -- The Centers for Disease Control yesterday
announced that the number of "gun-related deaths" had declined 25 percent
since 1993, to the lowest levels since 1966 (Note: that was two years
*before* the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the string of subsequent gun laws).

According to an Associated Press story, CDC analysts credited "stricter
sentencing in some areas, new laws that make it more difficult for criminals
to get guns, the waning crack trade and low unemployment because of the
booming economy."

CDC, which has been attempting to convince the nation that violent crime
is a disease, is right about stricter sentencing of gun-wielding criminals,
but dead wrong about criminals having any difficulty obtaining guns. Despite
decades-old bans on guns in high-crime cities like New York, Washington,
D.C., and Chicago, criminals have all the guns they want.

The AP report doesn't mention that the National Center for Health Statistics
report for 1998 (latest available) shows that of the 30,708 total firearms-
related deaths, only 11,798 - slightly more  than a third - were homicides
(some of which are justifiable).

Suicides account for well over half of the gun deaths - 17,424, or 57%. An
incredibly low 866 were accidents, and 620 were listed as "undetermined" or
"other" -- which probably includes a lot more self-defense shootings.

The NRA supposedly told the AP reporter that the lower death rates "are
evidence that gun-safety programs are reaching Americans and that gun
laws are working."

NRA spokeswoman Patricia Gregory is directly quoted as saying: "There
are tens of thousands of firearms laws on the books. Strict enforcement
of existing law could reduce these numbers even further."

NRA-ILA Director Jim Baker, after talking with Ms. Gregory, told me the
reporter distilled the quote from a 15 minute interview. The reporter did
not understand she was talking about enforcement of laws against criminal
misuse.

AP promised Baker to run a corrected story.
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[CTRL] NYP: Black Panthers tell Bill to keep out of Harlem

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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 http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38398.htm

 New York Post
April 14, 2001

BLACK PANTHERS TELL BILL TO KEEP OUT OF HARLEM

By DAN MANGAN

The New Black Panther Party yesterday demonstrates against Bill
Clinton's plans for a Harlem office, saying it will cause the "white
gentrification" of the area.
- R. Dembow

April 14, 2001 -- Saying Bill Clinton will accelerate "white
gentrification" in Harlem, the New Black Panther Party yesterday
demanded the ex-president abandon his planned office there and "go
home."

"Harlem is ours!" shouted the party's national spokesman Malik Zulu
Shabazz to about 25 paramilitary-garbed members outside the office
building Clinton will occupy at 55 W. 125th St.

"We will not allow some cracker named Bill Clinton to set the stage and
the pace to drive black people out of Harlem.

"We are here to deal with a serious problem called gentrification,"
Shabazz said. "Gentrification to us means genocide."

Shabazz said the militant Panthers would use "any means necessary" to
prevent Clinton from moving in, including daily protests, although he
disavowed using violence.

Clinton, whom Shabazz called "the former president of the United Snakes
of America," and other whites have driven up rents by moving into the
neighborhood, thereby displacing African-Americans, he argued.

"We're declining to comment," said Clinton's spokeswoman, Julia Payne.

Earlier this year, Clinton announced plans to open an office in Harlem
after a furor erupted over his proposal to lease space in Midtown's
Carnegie Hall Tower for $811,000 per year at taxpayer expense. He
reportedly is close to signing the lease for the Harlem space, which
will cost more than $350,000 per year.

News that he would take space there met with widespread approval by
Harlem residents and businesses, who said the former president's
presence would bring some cachet and positive publicity to a resurgent
neighborhood that long labored under a negative image.

In fact, despite having announced their rally a week ago and trying to
drum up attendance, the Panthers apparently drew no one other than their
own members to the demonstration, except for curious passersby.

The party, whose controversial leader Khalid Muhammad died two months
ago, conducted several "Million Youth" marches in Harlem and espouses a
black nationalist philosophy.

"I don't care what them Panthers think," said Dawn McKnight, who was
working at the Slice of Harlem Pizzeria around the corner. "Lots of
people like" Clinton, she said.

"I think it's really a disgrace," said Deborah Munger of Queens, about
the rally, which she passed while shopping. "People are people. It
doesn't matter whether he's white, yellow or green. He should be able to
be in any part of the United States."

Copyright 2001 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.

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[CTRL] North Carolina to allow searching of cars, people without warrants

2001-04-14 Thread radman

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State legislature to allow searching of cars, people without warrants

http://www.ashevilletribune.com/state_legislature_to_allow_searc.htm

NC bureaucrats given authority to kill animals without owner's consent,
Constitution suspended

A North Carolina bill that would allow a search of individuals or vehicles
on public or private roads by the state veterinarian or an authorized
representative, without a warrant, has now become law.

The bill, S.799, was enacted because of the threat of foot-and-mouth disease
and any other contagious animal disease.

According to the bill, the state veterinarian must consult with the North
Carolina Commissioner of Agriculture and get the permission of the governor
before taking any action under the new law.

However, the law also states that the state veterinarian does not even need
to have a reasonable suspicion that the person or vehicle is carrying a
diseased animal. He can stop persons or vehicles to determine whether they
are carrying a diseased animal.

State Senator Charles Albertson (D-5th), who sponsored the bill, when asked
if he had a problem with the constitutionality of the law, told the
Asheville Tribune  "No, I don't. In this case I think it's warranted and
justified."

"If you think there are animals that's moving through the country side, or
any means of conveyance this virus could travel on, you can't wait to go get
a court order before you need to take action," Albertson stated.

This is a serious threat to animal agriculture, to the economy of this
state, and you have to take, I think, extra ordinary measures to make sure
you do everything to prevent it

Asked if he thought that the threat was serious enough to suspend the Fourth
Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, Albertson said, "Yes, I do. There is a
great public concern here."

Asked if it was more important for the people to be secure than for them to
have rights, Albertson said, "I think, in this case, it may be justified."
The bill stops short of allowing the state veterinarian, or his
representatives, to enter private property other than a private road.

The bill states, "If the person refuses to consent to the entry and
examination after the State Veterinarian or an authorized representative has
notified, in writing, the owner or person in whose custody the animal is
found, of the intention to enter the property and conduct the examination,
the State Veterinarian or an authorized representative may petition the
district court in the county where the animal is found for an emergency
order authorizing the entry and examination."

Senator Charles Carter (D-28th) said that he was not concerned that there
were any constitutional problems with the bill, but does think if there were
"the judicial system would throw it out."

According to Albertson, the vote in the Senate was unanimous, with only two
descenting votes in the house.

Albertson says the response from the state's animal industry has been
positive.

"I think everyone is pleased with it." The law is set to expire April 1, 2003.

You can contact Senator Charles Albertson at 136 Henry Dunn Pickett Road
Beulaville, NC 28518 or by calling (910) 298-4923.

This report was filed by Clint Parker of the Asheville Tribune.

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[CTRL] Report upholds US lawyer's conspiracy theory

2001-04-14 Thread radman

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Report upholds US lawyer's conspiracy theory

http://www.smh.com.au/news/0104/12/pageone/pageone7.html

By Gay Alcorn and Darren Goodsir

A prominent Florida politician and lawyer who fled to Australia eight years
ago amid sex and drug allegations was the victim of politically motivated,
and possibly corrupt, inquiries by police and government officials, a United
States congressional report has found.

The Committee on Government Reform has urged the US Justice Department and
the Florida government to undertake a "serious independent investigation"
into the case of Mr Joseph Gersten, now a Sydney lawyer.

Mr Gersten claims his political rival, Ms Janet Reno, the then Florida
attorney who became the attorney-general in the Clinton administration, was
part of a conspiracy to destroy his political and personal life.

Since arriving in Australia, Mr Gersten has repeatedly sought political
refugee status and is involved in court action to retain his right to
practise law.

A spokesman for the Immigration Minister, Mr Ruddock, said if Mr Gersten
believed the committee's report constituted "information that was new and
relevant" he should direct it to the appropriate authorities.

The NSW Law Society, which is fighting Mr Gersten in the Supreme Court
seeking to stop him practising as a solicitor, has relied on the information
condemned by the committee's report. It had no comment on the matter.

Mr Gersten said the committee's report was the first time his claims had
been taken seriously, but his quest for justice had a long way to run.
"Imagine your government creating fiction to destroy you," he said
yesterday. "Not just destroying you in America, but swimming across the
ocean, and across the world to continue their pursuit."

The committee, headed by Republican congressman Mr Dan Burton, backs Mr
Gersten's allegations that "the vast power of the state was used to destroy
him", but it does not name Ms Reno as being personally involved.

The report says the US reports that Australian authorities relied on to
oppose Mr Gersten's application for residency "appear to be erroneous".

On April 29, 1992, Mr Gersten, then an "irascible" Miami Dade County
Commissioner with mayoral ambitions, reported his Mercedes-Benz stolen from
his home's driveway. The car turned up the next day, but the people
apprehended - all with previous criminal convictions - claimed the car was
taken while Mr Gersten was smoking crack cocaine with a prostitute at a drug
house. Mr Gersten refused to co-operate with the car theft investigation,
and spent nearly three weeks in prison for contempt of court. He fled to
Australia in 1993, and an outstanding charge of filing a false police report
was only recently dropped.

The committee report found numerous examples where FBI investigators and
government officials ignored evidence that threw into doubt the claims
against Mr Gersten. They include:

That a drug test showed that he had not used cocaine;

That a prostitute offered money to an alleged witness, Mr Wayne Pierce, to
tell police that Mr Gersten had murdered a transvestite the same night. Mr
Pierce later told police the information was false, but police never told Mr
Gersten of the allegation.

That there were "fatal inconsistencies" in the witnesses' testimony that
police did not try to reconcile, suggesting that some one was out to frame
Mr Gersten;

That one of the accusers made an offer to Mr Gersten's lawyers to change his
testimony if they paid him $US10,000.

"State and Federal government officials have continued to rely on, and
perpetuate, obviously suspect allegations against Gersten to his detriment,"
the report said.

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[CTRL] Ashcroft imposes restrictions on news media's access to McVeigh

2001-04-14 Thread radman

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Ashcroft imposes restrictions on news media's access to McVeigh

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/259F61A94F550A6E86256A2D0009AF6D?OpenDocument


BY JON SAWYER
Post-Dispatch Washington bureau
04/12/2001

WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft on Thursday urged the media to
exercise "self-restraint" in its coverage of Timothy McVeigh, the convicted
Oklahoma City bomber who faces execution May 16 in an Indiana federal
prison.

Ashcroft said the media would not be permitted to conduct on-site interviews
with McVeigh and that video and voice-recorded interviews would be barred.
He said media outlets could request telephone interviews but that any
contact with McVeigh would be limited to the 15 minutes of personal calls he
is permitted each day.

The new limits will apply not just to McVeigh, he said, but to coverage of
all federal executions. If McVeigh's execution goes through as scheduled, it
will be the first application of the death penalty at the federal level
since 1963.

Representatives of journalist organizations and attorneys active in capital
punishment cases lashed out at Ashcroft's remarks, calling them
inappropriate for the nation's top law enforcement official and insensitive
to the fact that important information sometimes surfaces in death row cases
only as a result of media contacts.

"It's just not an appropriate decision for Ashcroft to make," said Lucy
Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the
Press. "He's the guy in charge of flipping the switch. I don't think he's
the last word on whether it's appropriate for the public to know what's
going on inside prison walls."

Ashcroft described the new restrictions at a news conference called to
announce his decision to permit families of the 168 bombing victims to watch
McVeigh's execution on closed-circuit television.

"I would ask that the news media not become Timothy McVeigh's co-conspirator
in his assault on America's public safety and upon America itself," Ashcroft
said. "Please do not help him inject more poison into our culture. He's
caused enough senseless damage already."

Alex Jones, director of the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics
and Public Policy at Harvard University, said the restrictions Ashcroft has
imposed "bespeak a real misunderstanding of the role of the media in a free
society."

"I share Ashcroft's perception of Timothy McVeigh as a wanton killer," Jones
said. "But I think that to suggest that seeking to cover this very
newsworthy event with thoroughness is to somehow become a partner to Tim
McVeigh is a despicable thing for the attorney general to suggest."

Jones called the restrictions on interviews Draconian. Ashcroft, he said,
"is seeking blatantly to muzzle legitimate serious coverage of one of the
most emotionally wrenching moments in recent memory."

The Ashcroft rules are "deeply troubling," said David Protess, a professor
at Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism. Protess' students
have uncovered evidence that has led to the release of three prisoners from
death row in Illinois.

The restrictions Ashcroft has imposed are consistent with U.S. Supreme Court
decisions upholding the right of prison authorities to set limits on media
access and with the recent trend to curtail such contact in many states.
Protess said the trend had "disturbing" implications, even in cases like
that of McVeigh, who has acknowledged his guilt.

"Covering people on death row and what they have to say puts a human face on
executions," he said. "If we're going to fully tell the story of a horrible
crime we need to hear from the victim, the police, witnesses - and from the
condemned person himself. Otherwise our stories are incomplete. How can our
stories be complete if we don't hear from the person who's about to die?"

Ashcroft stressed at Thursday's news conference that the limits on media
access and other restrictions would be followed in other cases as well. But
at the same time he acknowledged that he had been moved by the grisly nature
of McVeigh's crime.

"As an American who cares about our culture, I want to restrict a mass
murderer's access to the public podium ..." Ashcroft said. "I do not want
anyone to be able to purchase access to the podium of America with the blood
of 168 innocent victims."

Locke Bowman, a death penalty specialist at the University of Chicago Law
School's MacArthur Justice Center, said it was the death sentence itself
that had guaranteed the notoriety now swirling about McVeigh.

"The whole situation is bizarre," Bowman said. "By setting out to execute
this guy, by fulfilling his delusions of martyrdom, the U.S. government has
made this a news story ...

"Then faced with the inevitable consequence of that decision - that he
becomes a news story - it seems to me doubly wrong to suggest that the
opportunity to cover the story which the government created should be
limited or cut off."

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2001-04-14 Thread Nessie

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APB is not covering the events.

   http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/index.html

But Independent Media Center is, at both local

   http://ohiovalleyimc.org/

and global levels.

   http://www.indymedia.org/

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[CTRL] Fox:Auditors: Clinton Administration Officials Bowed to PoliticalPressure

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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Auditors: Clinton Administration Officials Bowed to Political Pressure

Friday, April 13, 2001WASHINGTON


Federal auditors contend that Clinton administration housing officials
bowed to political pressure and approved a $9.5 million college
dormitory for Alaska Natives that wasn't necessary.


Department of Housing and Urban Development officials tried to block
release of the report from the HUD inspector general last winter, but it
was resubmitted to the Bush administration and made public March 30.

"It's the first time I've ever run across where they've requested us not
to release a report," Frank Baca, head of the Seattle audit office that
investigated the case, said Wednesday.

The audit said HUD officials approved the dorm at Alaska Pacific
University "without any evidence that there was a need for the project."
Local HUD officials calculated that the 40-student dorm should cost no
more than $2.3 million -- less than a quarter of the amount approved.

Construction on the dorm has not started, and Baca said the project is
on hold.

Investigators said political pressure, not evidence of need, helped the
project win approval. Those who weighed in to support the dormitory
included Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, chairman of the Senate
Appropriations Committee.

Neither Stevens nor former Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo responded to
repeated requests for comment.

Last December, Deputy Housing Secretary Saul Ramirez wrote auditors
asking that the report not be issued.

"We conclude that all findings are wrong," Ramirez wrote. He said
auditors misinterpreted federal regulations. His letter did not mention
political pressure.

The dormitory is the latest in a series of problems that HUD's inspector
general has found in the agency's housing programs for American
Indians. Auditors have criticized HUD for building luxury homes for
well-connected tribal members while thousands of other Indians live
crammed into reservation shacks.

Last fall, auditors found that Washington state's Lummi tribe had
misspent up to $1.3 million of $12.4 million in HUD money it got from
1993 to 1999. A 1998 audit of Indian housing programs found that $14
million had been wasted or misspent.

In the March 30 audit criticizing the dormitory, auditors said HUD
officials gave no reason for approving the $9.5 million project, even
though agency memos "appear to argue against" it.

"We believe these improper actions occurred because HUD officials made
decisions based primarily on political considerations," auditors wrote.

In addition to Stevens, auditors said Carl Marrs, head of Cook Inlet
Regional Inc., the Alaska Native corporation backing the dormitory, also
met with Cuomo to lobby for the project, seeking it under programs for
housing low income Indians.

Cook Inlet is one of 13 regional corporations created to manage Alaska
Natives' land and resources under a 1971 law Stevens wrote. The
government money for the project is funneled through a nonprofit
subsidiary, the Cook Inlet Housing Authority.

A CIRI official defended the project.

"The way to reduce the need for low-income housing is to educate Alaska
Natives effectively so they don't need it," said Keith Sanders, CIRI's
general counsel. "I think that's the message that was conveyed to the
secretary and the senator."

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[CTRL] IM: IRS Boss Snagged Clinton Waiver

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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By John Berlau
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http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200105078.shtml


Charles Rossotti held on to millions of dollars of stock in AMS, which has
huge contracts with the IRS, but got a midnight waiver of
conflict-of-interest rules from the Clinton team.

Two weeks ago when Insight was reporting potential conflicts of interest
involving IRS Commissioner Charles O. Rossotti's large holdings in a
company that does millions of dollars' worth of business with his own
agency (see "A Taxing Dilemma," April 23), the IRS said not to worry.
Rossotti is recused from dealing with the huge government contracts of
American Management Systems (AMS), the company that he cofounded and of
which he remains the major shareholder, said Frank Keith, the IRS' national
director of communications. "The commissioner has executed a viable and
rigorous recusal pro-cess to separate himself from any dealings with AMS,"
Keith insisted.

Now Insight has learned that in December 2000 the Clinton administration
blew a very large hole in the wall that is supposed to separate Rossotti,
whom Clinton appointed as commissioner in 1997, from dealing with his old
company. Along with the last-minute pardons and "midnight regulations" that
the administration rushed through in its last two months, it also issued a
waiver of conflict-of-interest rules that allows Rossotti to participate in
decisions that directly could affect the AMS bottom line.

Insight has obtained a copy of that waiver.

Signed on Dec. 11, 2000, by Clinton's deputy Treasury secretary, Stuart
Eizenstat, the waiver allows Rossotti to join in discussions and decisions
about the IRS' Custodial Accounting Project, which uses an automated
financial-management system and software provided by AMS. "I have
determined that your disqualifying financial interest in the Custodial
Accounting Project [CAP], which arises from your ownership interest in
American Management Systems Inc. [AMS], is not so substantial as to be
deemed likely to affect the integrity of the services that the government
may expect to receive from you with respect to the CAP," Eizenstat wrote.
Clinton's man noted that, without this waiver, federal law "would preclude
[Rossotti] from participating in the CAP because certain decisions would
have a direct and predictable effect on your financial interest in AMS."

Eizenstat, now a partner at the hugely powerful Washington law firm of
Covington  Burling, did not return Insight's telephone calls asking why
the waiver was necessary.

The conflict-of-interest waiver allows Rossotti to participate in "budget
and resource-allocation issues, the prioritization of the CAP and
high-level design and architecture issues." It gives him the power to
decide how much money will go to the project and, indirectly, to AMS, say
experts.

At press time, the IRS had not returned Insight's telephone calls for
comment about the newly revealed waiver and other issues that have surfaced.

And this is no minor matter, say ethics specialists. Rossotti called the
Custodial Accounting Project "critical" to IRS' ongoing computer-system
modernization in testimony to a House subcommittee on April 4. The IRS has
asked Congress for $50 million for the project in fiscal 2002 alone.
Overall, the Bush administration's budget gives the IRS an 8 percent
funding increase in 2002, double the 4 percent average re-quested for all
agencies. The additional funds reflect the computer modernization.

Because so much of this money could flow to AMS  scheduled to be paid more
than $17 million this year by the IRS, according to IRS spokesman
Keith  some have expressed concern. "I always want to be certain that
government officials are avoiding conflicts of interests, but I won't jump
to any conclusions," Rep. Ernest Istook Jr., R-Okla., chairman of the House
Appropriations subcommittee that oversees IRS funding, tells Insight
through a spokeswoman.

Officials of some of the watchdog groups that insisted Treasury Secretary
Paul O'Neill divest his $100 million worth of Alcoa stock (see "The $100
Million Misunderstanding," April 2-9) now say that Rossotti's situation is
more serious than O'Neill's would have been had he not agreed to sell the
stock. "The point there [with Alcoa] was that there was very little the
Treasury Department could do that would not impact Alcoa, and I think
eventually Secretary O'Neill came around to that conclusion," says Larry
Noble, executive director of the Washington-based Center for Responsive
Politics. "I think the same principles apply [to Rossotti], a little bit
more directly here in the sense that the IRS is doing business with AMS."

Charles Lewis, the executive director and founder of the Center for Public
Integrity who called strongly for O'Neill to divest, says Rossotti should
follow O'Neill's lead. "If O'Neill should have divested, then clearly this
guy should divest," Lewis tells Insight. "The O'Neill stuff that came up
about Alcoa was really speculative 

[CTRL] NYP: HILLARY'S SOFT-MONEY ADDICTION

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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HILLARY'S SOFT-MONEY ADDICTION
NEW YORK POST

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/38408.htm


April 14, 2001 -- Like most Democrats, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton voted
for the McCain-Feingold campaign-finance "reform" bill - ostensibly
believing, like her colleagues, that banning "soft money" contributions
will eliminate the most corrupting influence from the political process.

So guess who's now working like a bat out of hell raising millions in soft
money for herself and her party?

Ms. Clinton, that's who.

Is anyone really surprised?

Certainly, New York's junior senator knows a thing or two about soft money.
Last year, she raised more of it than any other Senate candidate in the
nation - $9.6 million, through so-called joint fund-raising, which allows
candidates to simultaneously raise money for their party and their own
campaign.

Oh, but this is only about fairness, says Sen. Clinton.

She'll be happy to abide by McCain-Feingold - once it actually takes
effect, that is.

Until then, she proclaims, "we have to play hard on the field where we
currently are, especially when we have an opponent who is still out there
running up and down the field as fast as they can."

Which is why she's about to open her new multimillion-dollar mansion to her
party's cause, raking in the bucks as quickly as possible.

That might sound plausible - until you consider that last year, according
to Common Cause, Senate Democrats nationally raised $15 million in joint
fund-raising, while the Republicans netted just $2.6 million in that
soft-money technique.

So who's chasing whom?

Besides, the notion that anything goes until McCain-Feingold becomes law is
downright ludicrous, especially given the arguments that its supporters -
including Hillary Clinton - used about the moral imperative of passing the
bill and the evils of soft money.

In fact, it sounds very much like Hillary had to be dragged kicking and
screaming to support this bill. Nothing she's ever done, before or since,
suggests that she really believes in the campaign-finance reform cause she
so strongly espoused.

Mrs. Clinton should take a cue on this one from her senior colleague, Chuck
Schumer. He's refused to raise any soft money this year, saying through a
spokesman that he intends to "honor the spirit of McCain-Feingold."

At least New York has one senator who isn't being two-faced on this issue.

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[CTRL] Fw: CONGRESS ACTION: April 15, 2001

2001-04-14 Thread Butch




- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: CONGRESS ACTION: April 15, 2001


CONGRESS ACTION: April 15, 2001
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THE DEATH OF RATIONAL THOUGHT: Public 
policy in this country is no longer premised on rational thought and educated 
public debate, it is increasingly being driven by fear, hysteria, ignorance, and 
media disinformation.
Last winter, the U.S. was cold. Growing seasons are moving south. Orange 
groves in central Florida that used to be productive several decades ago, can no 
longer grow oranges because it's gotten too cold. Floridians complained that 
they couldn't remember a winter as cold as that just ending. Yet while they sat 
around their homes in sweaters, they earnestly discussed imminent world disaster 
from global warming. Fifteen hundred scientists, solely on the basis of computer 
models, predict doom from human caused global warming; and the United Nations 
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issues increasingly apocalyptic 
warnings about impending disaster. Yet over nineteen thousand scientists see no 
such danger from human caused global warming (a silent majority ignored by the 
media, because stories about disaster sell newspapers and boost viewers, but 
stories concluding "no problem" do not). NASA has had satellites in space for 
over 20 years with the mission of measuring the earth's temperature, and has 
found that there has been a slight cooling over the past 20 years. NOAA 
issued a report that last November and December were the coldest such 
periods on record. Scientists measure ocean floor sediments and ice cores and 
find that the planet routinely undergoes significant fluctuations in climate, 
and that it has been doing so for thousands of years without any help from man. 
Twelve thousand years ago the planet emerged from the last great ice age. A 
century and a half ago the earth emerged from a mini ice age. When the planet 
emerges from an ice age, it gets warmer, without any help from man. But cynics 
in politics and global government types at the United Nations continue to demand 
we "do something" about global warming, and pandering politicians with a lust 
for power are only too happy to oblige. Completely forgotten are the dire 
warnings of a mere thirty years ago that we were all about to die from global 
cooling, with the same fearmongers warning of a looming, human-induced 
ice age. Hot, cold, no matter. Ignorant fear is the order of the day. Emulating 
the rooster that thinks its crowing causes the sun to rise, human ignorance, 
arrogance, and vanity causes some people to think that they have the power to 
fundamentally alter the climate of the planet.
Environmental extremists would like to see human society driven back to 
pre-industrial levels, and in California they have been given free reign to 
implement their vision. Thanks to a regulatory morass that has been instituted 
to mollify those extremists, and to pander to consumers who really think that 
they can have something for nothing, California is only beginning to experience 
the results of a decade of head-in-the-sand politics. It's a failure of the free 
market, cry the political panderers, government bureaucrats, and environmental 
socialists who created the mess. California's energy system is about as far from 
being a deregulated free market as anything can be -- there are price caps on 
consumer electricity rates, thus there is no incentive for consumers to 
conserve, and no economic benefit to building new power plants; environmental 
restrictions make it virtually impossible to build new power plants anyway, and 
would make any new plant enormously expensive and economically unviable; there 
are restrictions on how power companies are allowed to buy fuel and electricity; 
and there was a centralized bureaucracy that controlled it all. Offshore and 
across the country, existing oil wells are shut down and new wells banned; clean 
coal deposits were placed off limits in national monuments; hydropower dams are 
being dismantled to appease the fish lobby; and the nuclear power industry has 
been driven virtually to the edge of extinction by hysterical propaganda from 
"no-nuke" radicals, who have created in the public an irrational fear of nuclear 
power. Blaming deregulation, free markets, and greedy utility companies, 
ignorant populations (when was the last time you heard of a comprehensive course 
in fundamental free market economics taught in public schools?) warn politicians 
in other states considering deregulating their own power industries, "You better 
not!" And politicians bow to the pressure and put their own plans for 
deregulation on hold; while the same anti-capitalist radicals, politicians, and 
regulators who caused California's problems in the first place claim that the 
only solution is still more regulation. "Free markets don't work", the 
politicians 

Re: [CTRL] Ashcroft imposes restrictions on news media's access to McVeigh

2001-04-14 Thread gandalf

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 Ashcroft imposes restrictions on news media's access
 to McVeigh


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/259F61A94F550A6E86256A2D0009AF6D?OpenDocument


 BY JON SAWYER
 Post-Dispatch Washington bureau
 04/12/2001

 WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft on
 Thursday urged the media to
 exercise "self-restraint" in its coverage of Timothy
 McVeigh, the convicted
 Oklahoma City bomber who faces execution May 16 in
 an Indiana federal
 prison.

 Ashcroft said the media would not be permitted to
 conduct on-site interviews
 with McVeigh and that video and voice-recorded
 interviews would be barred.
 He said media outlets could request telephone
 interviews but that any
 contact with McVeigh would be limited to the 15
 minutes of personal calls he
 is permitted each day.

 The new limits will apply not just to McVeigh, he
 said, but to coverage of
 all federal executions. If McVeigh's execution goes
 through as scheduled, it
 will be the first application of the death penalty
 at the federal level
 since 1963.

 Representatives of journalist organizations and
 attorneys active in capital
 punishment cases lashed out at Ashcroft's remarks,
 calling them
 inappropriate for the nation's top law enforcement
 official and insensitive
 to the fact that important information sometimes
 surfaces in death row cases
 only as a result of media contacts.

 "It's just not an appropriate decision for Ashcroft
 to make," said Lucy
 Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters
 Committee for Freedom of the
 Press. "He's the guy in charge of flipping the
 switch. I don't think he's
 the last word on whether it's appropriate for the
 public to know what's
 going on inside prison walls."

 Ashcroft described the new restrictions at a news
 conference called to
 announce his decision to permit families of the 168
 bombing victims to watch
 McVeigh's execution on closed-circuit television.

 "I would ask that the news media not become Timothy
 McVeigh's co-conspirator
 in his assault on America's public safety and upon
 America itself," Ashcroft
 said. "Please do not help him inject more poison
 into our culture. He's
 caused enough senseless damage already."

 Alex Jones, director of the Joan Shorenstein Center
 on the Press, Politics
 and Public Policy at Harvard University, said the
 restrictions Ashcroft has
 imposed "bespeak a real misunderstanding of the role
 of the media in a free
 society."

 "I share Ashcroft's perception of Timothy McVeigh as
 a wanton killer," Jones
 said. "But I think that to suggest that seeking to
 cover this very
 newsworthy event with thoroughness is to somehow
 become a partner to Tim
 McVeigh is a despicable thing for the attorney
 general to suggest."

 Jones called the restrictions on interviews
 Draconian. Ashcroft, he said,
 "is seeking blatantly to muzzle legitimate serious
 coverage of one of the
 most emotionally wrenching moments in recent
 memory."

 The Ashcroft rules are "deeply troubling," said
 David Protess, a professor
 at Northwestern University's Medill School of
 Journalism. Protess' students
 have uncovered evidence that has led to the release
 of three prisoners from
 death row in Illinois.

 The restrictions Ashcroft has imposed are consistent
 with U.S. Supreme Court
 decisions upholding the right of prison authorities
 to set limits on media
 access and with the recent trend to curtail such
 contact in many states.
 Protess said the trend had "disturbing"
 implications, even in cases like
 that of McVeigh, who has acknowledged his guilt.

 "Covering people on death row and what they have to
 say puts a human face on
 executions," he said. "If we're going to fully tell
 the story of a horrible
 crime we need to hear from the victim, the police,
 witnesses - and from the
 condemned person himself. Otherwise our stories are
 incomplete. How can our
 stories be complete if we don't hear from the person
 who's about to die?"

 Ashcroft stressed at Thursday's news conference that
 the limits on media
 access and other restrictions would be followed in
 other cases as well. But
 at the same time he acknowledged that he had been
 moved by the grisly nature
 of McVeigh's crime.

 "As an American who cares about our culture, I want
 to restrict a mass
 murderer's access to the public podium ..." Ashcroft
 said. "I do not want
 anyone to be able to purchase access to the podium
 of America with the blood
 of 168 innocent victims."

 Locke Bowman, a death penalty specialist at the
 University of Chicago Law
 School's MacArthur Justice Center, said it was the
 death sentence itself
 that had guaranteed the notoriety now swirling about
 McVeigh.

 "The whole situation is bizarre," Bowman said. "By
 setting out to execute
 this guy, by fulfilling his delusions of martyrdom,
 the U.S. government has
 made this a news story ...

 "Then faced with the inevitable consequence of that
 decision - 

[CTRL] AP: Japanese doomsday cult growing through Internet, authorities say

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

-Caveat Lector-

Nando Times

http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/0,1643,500473098-500725327-50408
2
409-0,00.html


Japanese doomsday cult growing through Internet, authorities say

The Associated Press

TOKYO (April 13, 2001 11:02 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - The
doomsday cult behind the deadly gas attack on a Tokyo subway in 1995 is
growing steadily and reasserting influence through the Internet, the
government said Friday.

Aum Shinri Kyo membership has grown by about 150, or 10 percent, with at
least 1,650 followers by the end of last year, the Justice Ministry said in
a report submitted to the Cabinet. About 650 of them are carrying out cult
activities at group homes and facilities, it said.

The group was responsible for the sarin gas attack on March 20, 1995 that
killed 12 people and sickened thousands. The incident has shaken people's
sense of security in Japan, which has enjoyed a relatively low crime rate.

The report said that on the surface the group has changed its name,
acknowledged its responsibility for the subway gassing and apologized. But
fundamentally, it remains the same.

"The group's dangerous nature has not changed even though no poisonous
substances or ingredients have been found at their facilities," the report
said. "Its deceptive nature is unchanged."

Investigators at the Public Safety Agency have found 29 Aum facilities and
200 apartment houses in 10 onsite inspections.

The cult, which now calls itself Aleph, is expanding its computer-related
business and raking in profits from its 13 companies. Under influential
leader Fumihiro Joyu's "cyber cult" plan, the group continues spreading its
"dangerous" teachings on the Net, the report said.

Joyu, jailed guru Shoko Asahara's most-trusted aide, was released from
prison in December 1999 and is considered the cult's de facto leader.

The cult also earns funds by charging expensive fees through the sale of
books and compact discs containing Asahara's teachings and seminars.

The group is moving to expand overseas as well, said the report, which did
not specify where.

The cult is by law under Public Safety Agency surveillance. The Justice
Ministry is responsible for publishing the cult's activities in an annual
report. The latest update is for the period between May 16 and December 31,
2000.

Judges have handed down death sentences to several former leaders in the gas
attack and other killings. Guru Shoko Asahara is still on trial for
masterminding the 1995 gassing and 16 other charges.

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[CTRL] TIME: U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White subpoenas Roger Clinton

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,106316,00.html

TIME

Saturday, Apr. 14, 2001

U.S. Attorney White Keeps the Iron Hot

U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White subpoenas Roger Clinton and grants immunity
to Denise Rich. TIME's Viveca Novak on the ongoing investigation of the
last-minute Clinton pardons  BY VIVECA NOVAK

Profile: Mary Jo White

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,102441,00.html

While national attention's been focused on the conflict with China,
federal prosecutors have been moving forward quietly and quickly in
their investigation of Bill Clinton's last-minute pardons. TIME has
learned that U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White has dropped a subpoena on
Clinton's brother, Roger, for a grand jury appearance this week to
discuss his role in an alleged pardon swindle. Insiders say that White
has all but finished with most witnesses in the controversial clemency
granted to four New York Hasidic Jewish leaders. And, in a possibly
major development, one lawyer close to the investigation says that White
has struck an immunity deal with Democratic donor Denise Rich, whose
international financier ex-husband Marc was pardoned by Clinton despite
objections from White House lawyers.

A host of witnesses connected to the pardon of Rich, the fugitive
financier whose clemency kicked off the furor about how Bill Clinton
used his pardon power, have already either been before the grand jury in
New York or have been interviewed by White's prosecutors, according to
lawyers close to the case. Beth Dozoretz, a friend of Clinton and Denise
Rich, testified in grand jury proceedings earlier this month and will be
returning for another appearance. Jack Quinn, an attorney for Marc Rich
who took the pardon plea to the president, also testified, as did
another Rich lawyer, Robert Fink. Beth Nolan, the former White House
counsel who opposed the Rich pardon, agreed to talk to White's
prosecutors outside of the grand jury.

Democratic donor Denise Rich, who was persuaded to go to bat for her
former husband in spite of a bitter divorce, had been bargaining with
prosecutors for weeks in an attempt to work out an immunity deal. Any
deal she cuts means nothing she tells them, and nothing derived from
leads she gives them, can be used against her. Investigators are looking
at whether Clinton pardoned Marc Rich in exchange for large
contributions from Denise Rich to Clinton's presidential library, the
Democratic Party or other political campaigns, and whether Marc Rich was
the actual source of the money.

Rich's lawyers declined comment, as did White's office. However,
cautioned a lawyer who represents a different witness in the case,
"Immunity was inevitable for her, given the theory that they are
investigating. It doesn't mean the investigation is necessarily going
anywhere."

Roger Clinton's subpoena requires him to appear before the grand jury on
April 20. While Clinton has said he received no money from a handful of
people for whom he requested clemency from his brother (the president
denied them all), two Texans claim they were swindled after being
solicited to pay more than $200,000 to a group that included Roger
Clinton - who was then supposed to secure a pardon for a relative, but
did not attempt to do so, they allege. Several witnesses connected to
those allegations have testified recently as well.

Bart Williams, Roger Clinton's lawyer, said he doesn't know if his
client will testify or claim his Fifth Amendment privilege against
self-incrimination. "It's always a very serious matter when one is asked
to testify before the grand jury and one should proceed cautiously,"
said Williams, who also added that he was trying to convince White's
office to give Clinton more time to make the decision.

He may find White a tough sell. "They are moving speedily along, and
they are not letting people have extensions," said a lawyer who
represents someone else in the pardons probe. Most of the possible
witnesses connected to the clemency granted to four Hasidic Jews from
the New Square, NY community, for instance, have already testified. The
four were convicted of stealing more than $30 million in government
funds by establishing a fictitious religious school; their sentences
were commuted after the Grand Rabbi of their ultra-orthodox community
arranged a Dec. 22 meeting at the White House with both Clintons
present. New Square had voted almost unanimously for Hillary Clinton in
the New York Senate race. But, said a lawyer familiar with the case,
even if Hillary had promised to lobby her husband for clemency in
exchange for the town's votes (and there appears to be no proof of
that), it would be tough to find a crime there. "Politicians make
promises all the time," said the lawyer. "That's nothing new - or
illegal."

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[CTRL] USNEWS: STREISAND WANTS TO BUY NETWORK...

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/010423/23pol.htm

DRUDGE Headline:

MAG: STREISAND WANTS TO BUY CABLE NEWS NET...

U.S. News
4/23/01

A diva for Democrats

The gospel according to Streisand-get with it, fellas

By Gloria Borger

Picture this: It's a Saturday in April in Southern California. Barbra
"I'm Mad as Hell" Streisand is having a political meeting at her home.
Warren and Annette are there, as are producer Norman Lear and other
Hollywood libs. House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt attends, too. The
topic: Barbra's recent essay on the Democrats, "Nice Guys Finish Last."

First comes the diva's dramatic reading of her three-page memo (in which
she refers to the "Supreme Coup" at the high court and exhorts Democrats
to filibuster future "right wing" nominees, to "rock the boat," and to
"talk about Republican pardons" since Clinton's pardons "have no impact
on the health and welfare of the American people"). This, it turns out,
is the sanitized Streisand. A careful textual analysis reveals that this
memo has been edited from an original version, in which Streisand told
Democrats they seemed "paralyzed, demoralized, and depressed." Or maybe
bewitched, bothered, and bewildered.

But I digress. In addition to the memo, Streisand also lets it be known
that she's mad at (a) Georgia Democratic Sen. Zell Miller, who voted for
the Bush tax cut, (b) the eight Democrats who voted for John Ashcroft
for attorney general, and (c) all Democrats who refused to defend Bill
Clinton. She's so mad, in fact, that sources tell me she wants to put
together a group of Democrats to buy a cable-TV network so they don't
have to watch Republican talking heads. "Everybody told her it was
nuts," says one well-informed source. Too bad. Because it's truly an
inspired idea-a Coffee Tawk network  la Saturday Night Live. (Today's
topic: The Democrats and The Way We Were. Better? Or worse? Discuss
amongst yourselves.) Bill O'Reilly, eat your heart out.

Golden girl. Anyway, aside from the fact that this is Babs, what makes
Gephardt-who wants to be either speaker or president-attend a Hollywood
gripe session? One answer: money. She's a big Democratic contributor.
But, you ask, won't campaign finance reform reduce the influence of big
givers like Streisand? No way, says one party fundraiser. "If you pass
reform, people like Streisand become huge." Why? Concerts-and the
ability to gather huge crowds and collect huge sums in small amounts.
"Her name is even more golden."

But what about the Streisand critique, such as it is? Are the Democrats
dead, as Streisand and some others seem to think? Are they under the
spell of the Bushies? Are they timid? "Democrats don't have to be
ruthless like the Republicans," Streisand advises. "They just have to be
strong. . . . Just being nice doesn't work. Democrats should fight
before it's too late! There's not a moment to lose."

Last time I checked, the Democrats weren't exactly losing much time
bashing President Bush or his tax cut or his decision not to lower the
amount of arsenic in drinking water. "I've never seen an administration
in all my years more unwilling to work with Democrats," huffed Senate
Minority Leader Tom Daschle. "It is breathtaking how remarkably
unwilling they are to sit down and try to find common ground." How nice
is that?

In fact, the Democrats are more united than is usually the case at the
onset of a GOP presidency. In 1981 (Streisand's pre-Yentl period), the
Democrats couldn't run for the tall grass fast enough. In 1989
(pre-Prince of Tides), "there was a lot of friction in the party even
though Democrats controlled the Congress," recalls ex-Clinton aide Mike
McCurry. "Our ability to muster an opposition message was limited."

Not anymore. In fact, Daschle told me, "we're pretty happy." And why
not? Their message seems to be sinking in: Recent polls show that voters
believe the Bush tax cut benefits the wealthy, and they oppose his
decision not to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. In fact, a recent
Democratic poll by Celinda Lake caught Daschle's eye: Eight in 10 voters
say that environmental issues will be a more important factor in future
presidential elections. As for the midterm elections in 2002, Democrats
will make the case that Bush needs to be "balanced out" in Congress,
says pollster Geoffrey Garin. So far, Garin's polls show the voters want
that balance-by 15-to-20-point margins. The Bushies understand this. One
senior Bush adviser tells me that Bush will be praised by the
environmental angels as early as this week, when he could decide to
approve President Clinton's regulations on reporting lead emissions.
"What is the one consistent thing Democrats do about George Bush?" he
asks. "They underestimate him."

Not Barbra. She will never relax. "How could such a destructive man be
so popular with the American people?" she writes. ". . . We cannot trust
George W. Bush." He "stole the presidency through family ties,
arrogance, and intimidation." As for 

Re: [CTRL] W95.Hybris.Worm

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "kl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The attachment, KNGNENKEN.EXE, that came in with the article titled
 CTRL???, is the W95.Hybris.Worm.  I advise against opening any mail
 from that source.

 It seems to me there's been a very high level of virus activity on a lot of
 mail lists the last couple of days.  Or is it just my imagination?

No, I've noticed it too.  Plus an increase in commercial spam


June

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[CTRL] AP: Denise Rich Strikes Immunity Deal

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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Denise Rich Strikes Immunity Deal

Roger Clinton To Appear Before Grand Jury

WASHINGTON, 4:02 p.m. EDT April 14, 2001 -- Democratic donor Denise Rich
has struck an immunity deal with prosecutors investigating Bill
Clinton's pardon of her ex-husband, fugitive financier Marc Rich, Time
magazine reported on its Web site Saturday.

In addition, U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White has subpoenaed the former
president's brother, Roger Clinton, to appear before a grand jury this
week to discuss his role in an alleged pardon swindle.

Denise Rich, who had argued in her ex-husband's favor despite their
divorce, has been bargaining with prosecutors for weeks in an attempt to
work out an immunity deal, the magazine reported, citing lawyers close
to the investigation.

That means that any information that she gives authorities about the
pardon could not be used to prosecute her.

Marc Rich has been living in exile in Switzerland since a 1983
indictment charged him with tax evasion, racketeering and violating
trade sanctions with Iran. He was pardoned by Clinton just before the
president left office in January, despite objections from White House
lawyers.

Clinton's pardons of Rich and others are being investigated by White,
the U.S. attorney in Manhattan.

Investigators have been questioning witnesses about whether Clinton
pardoned Marc Rich in exchange for contributions from Denise Rich to the
ex-president's library in Arkansas, the Democratic Party or other
political causes, and whether the money might have come from the
financier.

A spokesman for White's office did not immediately return a call seeking
comment. Denise Rich's lawyer, Martin Pollner, declined to comment.

Roger Clinton is to appear before a grand jury on Friday, lawyers close
to the probe told the magazine. He has denied that he received any money
from people on whose behalf he requested clemency from his brother, who
denied them all.

Two Texans claim that they were swindled after being asked to pay more
than $200,000 to a group that included Roger Clinton; they say he
promised to secure a pardon, but did not try to do so.

Roger Clinton's attorney, Bart Williams, told Time that he didn't know
whether his client would testify or claim his Fifth Amendment right
against self-incrimination.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [NA] Lee Harvey Oswald Must Die! This Time by Injection.

2001-04-14 Thread John Cone

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--- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tim McVeigh is the Lee Harvey Oswald of the
 government operation gone  awry known as “the
Oklahoma City Bombing.” Oswald had to be shot before
 a trial would have revealed that he was only a cog
 in the works, a patsy.
_

Nakano comments:
In fact, Tim McVeigh has said this himself.
He said: "I might be a Lee Harvey Oswald."
Here are some details.

Lee Harvey Oswald yelled to reporters in the
Dallas County Jail:
"I'm a patsy"
Then Oswald was conveniently shot and killed
while in police custody.

Tim McVeigh obviously thought he was in the
same sort of situation when Federal Officers
came to the Noble County Oklahoma Jail to
take him to Oklahoma City.

"A fellow jail inmate asked Tim McVeigh:
If you didn't do anything, you shouldn't be scared,".

McVeigh replied:
"But I might be a Lee Harvey Oswald."

This quote and some more interesting information
come from a CNN News story at:
http://europe.cnn.com/books/beginnings/9806/one.of.ours.cnn/

Here's some more:
About McVeigh's "robotic type of behavior":

"The room was crowded, and Cook squeezed into a
corner. The sheriff's top priority was that no one,
McVeigh included, be hurt, and that was a chief
concern because, he said later, "there were rumors
going around that we had snipers." He strained to look
at McVeigh and was amazed that the young man was able
to obscure his image, to deny his inquisitors any show
of concern about what was happening here. It was the
same blankness that had struck District Attorney
Gibson when he noticed the emptiness of McVeigh's
face, the totally unresponsive look in his eyes, the
absence of any human emotion. "I was looking and I
didn't see any," Cook recalled".

"Mark Gibson, the Noble County district attorney could
not help but study the man standing next to him. He's
one cool customer, Gibson thought. I've never seen
anyone so unreactive. So military-like. He's a void.
Not macho; not tough-guy. Just no reaction at all."

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Re: [CTRL] Ashcroft imposes restrictions on news media's access to McVeigh

2001-04-14 Thread Nessie

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He had said everything in his book 


Why should we believe that he actually said what we are told that he
said?

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[CTRL] New evidence casts doubt on global warming

2001-04-14 Thread Bill Richer

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New evidence casts doubt on global warming

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Claims are "based on false data," international team of scientists says


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by Robert Matthews


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Fresh doubt has been cast on evidence for global warming following the
discovery that a key method of measuring temperature change has exaggerated
the warming rate by almost 40 percent.

Studies of temperature records dating back more than a century have seemed to
indicate a rise in global temperature of around 0.5C, with much of it
occurring since the late 1970s. This has led many scientists to conclude
global warming is under way, with the finger of blame usually pointed at
man-made emissions of such greenhouse gases as carbon dioxide.

Now an international team of scientists, including researchers from the Met
Office in Bracknell, Berkshire, United Kingdom, has found serious
discrepancies in the temperature measurements, suggesting that the amount of
global warming is much less than previously believed.



Measuring water, not air

The concern focuses on the temperature of the atmosphere over the oceans,
which cover almost three-quarters of the Earth's surface. While scientists
use standard weather station instruments to detect warming on land, they have
been forced to rely on the crews of ships to make measurements over the vast
ocean regions.

Crews have taken the temperature by dipping buckets into the sea or using
water flowing into the engine intakes. Scientists have assumed there is a
simple link between the temperature of seawater and that of the air above it.

However, after analyzing years of data from scientific buoys in the Pacific
that measure sea and air temperatures simultaneously, the team has found no
evidence of a simple link. Instead, the seawater measurements have
exaggerated the amount of global warming over the seas, with the real
temperature having risen less than half as fast during the 1970s than the
standard measurements suggest.

Reporting their findings in the influential journal Geophysical Research
Letters, the scientists say the exact cause of the discrepancy is not known.
One possibility is that the atmosphere responded faster than the sea to
cooling events such as volcanic eruptions.



A big cut

The findings have major implications for the climate change debate because
sea temperature measurements are a key part of global warming calculations.
According to the team, replacing the standard seawater data with the
appropriate air data produces a big cut in the overall global warming rate
during the last 20 years, from around 0.18C per decade to 0.13C.

This suggests that the widely quoted global warming figure used to persuade
governments to take action on greenhouse gas emissions exaggerates the true
warming rate by almost 40 percent. The team is now calling for climate
experts to switch from seawater data to sea-air temperature measurements.

One member of the team, David Parker, of the Hadley Centre for Climate
Prediction and Research at the Met Office, said the discovery of the
discrepancy "shows we don't understand everything, and that we need better
observations--all branches of science are like that." Yet according to
Parker, the new results do not undermine the case for global warming: "It is
raising questions about the interpretation of the sea-surface data."

Even so, the findings will be seized on by skeptics as more evidence that
scientists have little idea about the current rate of global warming, let
alone its future rate. Climate experts are still trying to explain why
satellites measuring the temperature of the Earth have detected little sign
of global warming, despite taking measurements during supposedly the warmest
period on record.

Some researchers suspect the fault may again lie with the ground-based
temperature measurements. They say many of the data come from stations
surrounded by growing urban sprawl, whose warmth could give a misleading
figure. A study of data taken around Vienna, Austria, between 1951 and 1996
found that the air temperature rose by anything from zero to 0.6C, depending
on precisely where the measurements were made.




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[CTRL] Report: Russia Begins Production of New Torpedo

2001-04-14 Thread Bill Richer

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Tuesday, Apr. 10, 2001, 4:09 PM Moscow Time

Report: Russia Begins Production of New Torpedo

The Associated Press Russian has begun production of a new anti-submarine
torpedo system capable of hitting targets 4.3 kilometers away and up to 1,000
meters underwater, a news report said.

If the Russian figures are accurate, the weapon would represent an advance on
most current torpedoes which dive to depths of only about 700 or 800 meters,
according to Anthony Watts, editor of Jane's Underwater Warfare Systems.

"One thousand meters is certainly an advance on what is quoted in open source
literature as normal operating depth ... for most light torpedoes," he said.

The system, called RPK-8, can also be used against torpedoes and underwater
objects near the surface, Itar-Tass reported, citing the Russian Defense
Ministry.

The Defense Ministry press service declined to comment on the report Tuesday,
and officials at the Russian Navy could not be immediately reached for
comment.

Unidentified military officials cited by Itar-Tass lauded the new missile as
a modern weapon with good prospects on the international weapons markets.

Despite the Russian military's severe funding shortfalls, the country
continues to develop new weaponry and strives to recoup development costs by
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[CTRL] Flushing out the moles Part 1

2001-04-14 Thread Bill Richer

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Flushing out the moles

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© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 


Well, the Bush-Cheney Administration has got a mole infestation, all right, 
but not of Chinese moles that allegedly burrowed into our nuke labs several 
decades ago. No, siree. These are Clinton-Gore moles that went to ground only 
last November, and they need to be flushed out as soon as possible before 
they can do too much damage. 

How to find them? Well, one approach would be to carefully analyze for clues 
the cries of despair -- or shouts of hurrah -- of the media elite. If, for 
example, the brand-new EPA administrator says she is going to regulate carbon 
dioxide as a pollutant -- and the media elite cheer "Hooray!" -- then you 
know there’s a mole-hole somewhere near her office. And if the media elite 
take one look -- as they just did -- at the first Bush-Cheney budget and 
charge them with making drastic cuts in the wonderful Clinton-Gore 
"non-proliferation" programs -- particularly the Nunn-Lugar-Domenici "loose 
nuke" programs -- then you know there are Clinton-Gore moles infesting quite 
a few other agencies. 

In the first place, the Clinton-Gore "non-proliferation" programs were not 
wonderful. And, they did not focus on preventing Russian nukes from getting 
loose, which is what Nunn-Lugar-Domenici mandated that they do. 

If the Russians had been able to obtain and maintain -- without our 
assistance -- safe and secure control over a.) every Soviet nuke and b.) all 
the Soviet weapons-useable fissile materials -- and then safely and securely 
dispose of any excess -- there would have been no need for the 
Nunn-Lugar-Domenici Acts in the first place. But the Russians couldn’t do all 
that by themselves, so they came to us and asked for our assistance. And 
Congress immediately authorized President Bush to give it to them. 

However, it quickly became apparent to Congress that Clinton-Gore did not 
have the same understanding of "non-proliferation" as Bush-Quayle did. For 
Clinton-Gore, "non-proliferation" was synonymous with "disarmament." 
Clinton-Gore were not so much interested in assisting the Russians to secure 
their nuke stockpile as they were in getting rid of all of our nukes -- right 
away -- as an example for the rest of the world to follow. 

(Nixon had already gotten rid of all our biological weapons, Reagan got rid 
of our chemical weapons, Bush began getting rid of all the nukes we no longer 
needed, but candidate George W. Bush correctly promised to keep all the nukes 
we do need.) 

You’ve probably heard about the billions of dollars that Congress authorized 
Clinton -- they never authorized the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission to do any 
of the things they did, but they went ahead and did them, anyway -- to give 
the Russians to prevent nuke proliferation. These are the wonderful programs 
that the media elite are now accusing Bush-Cheney of cutting, drastically. 

Well, hardly any of that money was actually given to the Russians. Most of 
the billions -- initially authorized by the Freedom Support Act of 1992 for 
the purpose of bringing the emerging states of the former Soviet Union into 
the Western-style, market-oriented community of nations -- were funneled 
through federal agencies (State Department, Department of Defense, Agency for 
International Development -- AID, Ex-Im Bank, Overseas Private Investment 
Corporation, Department of Commerce, etc.) to U.S. contractors and their 
partners in the former Soviet Union. 

Title V of the multi-billion dollar Freedom Support Act is what is usually 
called the Nunn-Lugar Act, and it authorized the Departments of Defense (DOD) 
and Energy (DOE) to spend up to $400 million per year to prevent the 
proliferation of "weapons of mass destruction." However, it is very clear 
from the legislative history that the Nunn-Lugar Act was almost entirely 
focused on preventing Russian nukes from getting loose, but very little was 
actually spent by either DOD or DOE for that purpose. 

In fact, by 1997, DOD was spending virtually all Title V funds on something 
called "Defense Conversion." And almost all the rest of the multi-billion 
dollar Freedom Support Act funds were being spent by AID and other agencies 
on something called "Partnerships for Freedom." The point-people for these 
two grand Clinton-Gore Freedom Support Act programs -- to irreversibly disarm 
Russia under cover of the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission -- were Secretary of 
Commerce Ron Brown, Secretary of Defense Perry and Secretary of Energy 
O’Leary. 

Title V, the 1992 Nunn-Lugar Act, provided for DOD and DOE to help the 
Russians (1.) secure positive control over all Soviet nukes and 
weapons-useable materials from dismantled excess "weapons of mass 
destruction;" (2.) transport and store Soviet weapons that were to be 

Re: [CTRL] Israelis Crucify Palestinians - Not by Nails this time, by Bullets....

2001-04-14 Thread Marilyn Wright

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On 13 Apr 01, at 16:17, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 Obviously it is true this is the call for the crucifixion of the
 Palenians by the bulletAriel Sharon (and that is not his real name
 either) attempts to nail them before the call for help is heard?

Do you get paid to say the things you say on this list?


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[CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) Is Beyond The Pale

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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 This is absolutely BRILLIANT!!! You now sent this virus to this list three
 times now, what it does I don't know and could care less. What it may have
 already done is trash somebody's hard drive or whatever and it looks like
 your going for "seconds" and "thirds".

Seems to me this antic of Aleisha's should get her banned from this list for life...

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[CTRL] Fw: Radioactive Waste Seeps Toward Columbia River

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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  Radioactive Waste Seeps Toward Columbia River
  KIM MURPHY, Times Staff Writer

  RICHLAND, Wash.--For five years during the 1960s, researchers at the Hanford
 Nuclear Reservation took spent fuel from the plant's bomb-making reactors and
 conducted a series of radiochemistry experiments. Once the work was finished,
 the fuel--so radioactive it couldn't be handled except by remote control--was
 buried in three underground trenches. And there it remained, largely
 forgotten. Until last year, when routine surveys found tritium--known to
 cause birth defects--at concentrations 90 times the federal drinking water
 standard in a nearby well. By last month, the level of tritium in the ground
 water had increased fourfold.  The well lies 3 1/2 miles from the Columbia
 River, the greatest river of the American West, the waterway that irrigates 1
 million acres of prime farmland in two states and nurtures 80% of the fall
 chinook salmon harvested in Alaska and British Columbia. ests of other wells
 have shown that the potent tritium seep hasn't moved more than a quarter-mile
 from the burial site. Still, Hanford officials say that the contamination
 could reach the river in as little as three years.   What's more disturbing
 is what may follow. Tritium is one of the fastest-moving radionuclides and
 may merely be the scout. Far more deadly nuclear wastes likely are not far
 behind. Nowhere has the Cold War's legacy lingered so poisonously as it has
 at the 560-square-mile Hanford reservation, operated by the federal
 government for more than 40 years to produce plutonium for nuclear bombs. It
 is the most contaminated place in North America, with 80% of the spent
 nuclear fuel in the Department of Energy's inventory--2,100 metric tons in
 all--stored in a pair of aging basins, some of their fuel canisters crumbling
 and corroded. Deteriorating underground tanks a few miles away hold 54
 million gallons of radioactive soup that over the years has made its way into
 the ground waterexcerpts:

 How far has it leaked? There is already some tritium in the Columbia River,
 measurable in Richland's drinking water supply--although at well below
 federal safety standards. Mulberry bushes measured along the Hanford shore
 also have shown substantial amounts of strontium-90 and thorium, in addition
 to other toxic contaminants such as chromium.  None of it, federal
 officials believe, is enough to jeopardize public health. The Columbia's vast
 flows so far have diluted the contamination to well within federal standards.
 But imagine what it will be like in 10 or 20 years, say Washington state
 officials, who are pushing for increased cleanup efforts.  Under the most
 optimistic scenario, the Energy Department says it can clean up 10% of
 Hanford's leaky tanks by 2018. The rest of the waste won't be hauled away for
 40 to 50 more years. What of removing the tanks themselves? No plan. Target
 date for completely removing contamination around the tank farms and
 plutonium processing plants? Never.The magnitude of cleaning up the plants
 that manufactured America's atomic weapon arsenal--facilities such as the
 Idaho National Laboratory, the Savannah River Site in South Carolina, Rocky
 Flats near Denver and Hanford--only recently has begun to be understood.
 While the DOE expects to spend at least $186 billion over the next 70 years
 cleaning up 53 sites across the country, there is a growing realization that
 many of them will never be completely safe. In fact, there are more than 100
 sites nationwide with contamination that will require long-term stewardship.
 At places such as Hanford and Savannah River, it means keeping some of the
 gates locked forever. At a number of other sites, it means setting up
 agreements with local governments to make sure that, maybe half a century
 down the road, somebody doesn't unwittingly decide to build a housing tract
 or dig a well atop a buried store of poison. "As the years go by, people
 are starting to realize that the non- cleanup cleanup is all there's going to
 be. The fact is that we don't know how to clean up some things," said
 Katherine Probst of Resources for the Future, a nonpartisan group in
 Washington, D.C., that studies environmental issues. ... The DOE has
 awarded a $6.9-billion contract to British Nuclear Fuels Ltd. to build a
 plant to treat the first 10% of the radioactive wastes. But scientists for
 the National Research Council already have expressed doubts. Retrieving the
 waste from the damaged tanks, they warn, could end up spilling just as 

Re: [CTRL]

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 What's wrong with you Colleen?? Damn!!!

Our choices are either Stupidity Beyond The Pale, or Deliberate Maliciousness...

Either one should get her permanently banned from this list...


June

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Re: [CTRL] SCHOOL PRAYER

2001-04-14 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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  You're forgetting the 'one nation under God' clause.. 

 It was not there, June.  We said, "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
 justice for all."  It was a while ago.  Prudy

Interesting.  We always said "...one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and 
Justice for all..."


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Re: [CTRL] Israelis Crucify Palestinians - Not by Nails this time,by Bullets....

2001-04-14 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Marilyn Wright wrote:

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 On 13 Apr 01, at 16:17, Aleisha Saba wrote:

  Obviously it is true this is the call for the crucifixion of the
  Palenians by the bulletAriel Sharon (and that is not his real name
  either) attempts to nail them before the call for help is heard?

 Do you get paid to say the things you say on this list?

 sno0wl


Are you kidding snoOwl? Who would possibly pay for such crappy work?

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Re: [CTRL]

2001-04-14 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

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 From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  What's wrong with you Colleen?? Damn!!!

 Our choices are either Stupidity Beyond The Pale, or Deliberate Maliciousness...

 Either one should get her permanently banned from this list...

 June


As someone who is totally impartial on this issue, I cast my vote
for-- Stupidity Beyond The Pale.

Here's why... she is SO goddamn dumb that it undermines her maliciousness.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Golly Wally Doodle . . .

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan

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Read for yourself
 What i mean is that it wasn't sent in a exec. file [as far as I know, I use
Macs for many reasons, very few viruses being one, so I know very little of
exec codes. And there is some sort of virus checking at lsoft.

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Re: [CTRL] SCHOOL PRAYER

2001-04-14 Thread (Conspiracy Theory Research List)
In a message dated 4/14/2001 9:17:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 04/10/2001 6:55:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Since the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer are not allowed
in
most public schools anymore because the word "God' is mentioned ...
a kid in Arizona wrote a new school prayer . 


This is peculiar. In my classroom we begin each day with the Pledge of
Allegiance. To my knowledge the Pledge has never been discouraged.


Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) Is Beyond The Pale

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 4/14/01 7:31:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Seems to me this antic of Aleisha's should get her banned from this list
for life...

June
 And she would just join under another name and then we would be calling
every newbie saba/aleisha/c/? . But it is a thought,

Om
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[CTRL] Fwd: Sorry Kris

2001-04-14 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
K
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Am out of my 7 crisis letters and could not respond openly to list and
apologize.

I do not have a computer with a modem and all that; though familiar with
computers and have one, it does not have a modem  -  use for personal
stuff.

Sent to list to first ask and warn - believe this virus came from
someone on list.

At first I thought it was pornographic or something similar - then
thought maybe it could be virus - should have tought twice

I am trying to find out who sent it; and believe me from response think
I know.

So have never forwarded this stuff before; NEVER have I gotten anything
like this on this list - this Snow White Stuff comes in on old name I
know longer use except for personal notes to people and shopping, etc.

So sorry Kris - this think came bit after I sent out the stuff re Gideon
Bible and McVeigh.and someone on list sent it to me, of this I am
sure - just wonder for sure who - can only guess.

Note who got this virus and who did not?

I put out call to see who got it.

Again sorry.

Saba





[CTRL] This is what you get when businessmen control your drugs.

2001-04-14 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Ah the glories of private enterprise. Pay or die. The Mafia wishes it
had a racket like this.

Nurev
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April 12, 2001

Pharmaceutical Industry Remains Most Profitable in the Country

New Fortune 500 Report Confirms "Druggernaut" Tops
Other Industries in Profitability Last Year

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The pharmaceutical industry's status as the
most profitable industry in 2000
makes its opposition to Medicare prescription drug coverage
unconscionable, Public Citizen said
today.

The drug industry this week was named "more profitable than any
other" by Fortune in its new
Fortune 500 analysis of America's most successful companies and
industries in 2000. The
industry was also rated the most profitable industry last year
and has been consistently ranked
number one or two by Fortune over the past few decades.

The Fortune report shows that the 11 drug companies in the
Fortune 500 enjoyed rates of
profitability (measured in return on revenue) that were three to
four times greater than the
median for all industries in the Fortune 500. Pfizer, the
second-largest drug company, has seen
the value of its stock increase a stunning 1,454 percent over the
last decade.

Public Citizen conducted additional analysis of the 11 drug
companies' annual financial
reports. The analysis (available at
http://www.citizen.org/congress/drugs/factshts/mostprofitable.htm)
shows that profits - not
research and development of new medicines - were the top priority
for drug companies. Public
Citizen found that Fortune 500 drug companies plowed 30 percent
of their revenues into
marketing and administration, while committing just 12 percent of
revenues to research and
development. Seventeen percent of the revenues represented
profit.

"Given the druggernaut's extraordinary profits, it's laughable
that the industry - and the
congressional leadership in Washington, D.C. - have fiercely
opposed prescription drug coverage
under the Medicare program for fear it would lead to price
discounts," said Frank Clemente,
director of Public Citizen's Congress Watch.

The drug industry has spent tens of millions of dollars in recent
years to lobby against a
Medicare prescription drug benefit because it might lead to price
discounts as the federal
government becomes a bulk buyer for millions of American seniors.

"The drug industry's insistence on price-gouging appears all the
more greedy when you consider
that the industry's profitability is largely based on federal
government assistance in the form
of monopoly patents, taxpayer-funded research and huge tax
breaks," Clemente said.

Public Citizen's analysis also found that:

' The largest American drug company, Merck, had profits of $6.8
billion in 2000, which was more
than the profits of all the Fortune 500 companies in the airline,
entertainment, food
production, metals and hotel/casino/resorts industries combined.

' Fortune 500 drug companies saw the value of their stock
increase by 38 percent last year, as
investors turned to these steady profit-generators during the
stock market turbulence in 2000.
Drug stocks have tended to be impervious to market gyrations and
perform well during economic
downturns.

' The drug industry's success in Fortune 500 profitability
rankings has become a rite of
spring. In the 1970s and 1980s, Fortune 500 drug companies
enjoyed rates of return on revenue
that were two times greater than the median for all industries in
the Fortune 500. In the
1990s, the drug industry's rates of return on revenue were almost
four times greater than the
median for all industries in the Fortune 500.

###

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based in Washington, D.C. For more
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[CTRL] Devil Lived

2001-04-14 Thread Steve Wingate

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Devil Lived

An interesting but shocking look at the ancient origins of the devil. Not for
the faint-hearted!

http://www.viewzone.com/devil.html


ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES
http://www.anomalous-images.com

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[CTRL] (Fwd) - Scientists Find Way to Block Effects of Marijuana

2001-04-14 Thread Involuntary

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Scientists Find Way to Block Effects of Marijuana

April 13, 2001 04:13 PM ET

By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Chemically blocking receptors in the brain that
respond to a key compound in marijuana squelches the "high" caused by the
drug, scientists said on Thursday in a finding that could lead to treatment
for marijuana abuse and perhaps even for obesity.

Researchers with the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) have
confirmed for the first time in people that chemically blocking the brain's
cannabinoid receptors -- proteins on the surface of brain cells -- cuts the
intoxicating effects of smoked marijuana. The study involved 63 adult men
with histories of marijuana use.

Animal tests have found that the major effects of the active ingredient in
marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), result from its binding to specific
cannabinoid receptors.

In the study, the researchers used a compound called SR141716, which was
discovered by French drug maker Sanofi-Synthelabo. The compound binds to the
cannabinoid receptor and blocks compounds such as THC from activating it.
The findings appear in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry.

Cannabinoid receptors are most dense in brain regions involved in thinking
and memory, attention and control of movement, the researchers said. Their
precise function in people is not well understood, although animal studies
have shown compounds that activate the receptor sites impair learning and
memory and increase appetite and food intake.

Lead researcher Dr. Marilyn Huestis of NIDA, part of the National Institutes
of Health, said the findings help point the way toward possible treatment
for people addicted to marijuana.

"It's certainly an issue that is still a little controversial," she said of
whether marijuana can cause addiction. "But there's been some beautiful work
showing that marijuana is addictive, and that a number of people who utilize
the drug on a chronic basis have developed dependence and have a very
difficult time stopping taking the drug."

OBESITY TREATMENT POSSIBLE

Huestis also said the compound, by blocking the brain's cannabinoid
receptors, may prove useful in treating obesity and psychotic diseases such
as schizophrenia and improving memory.

"One of the most promising aspects is the issue of obesity and the fact that
marijuana produces hunger," Huestis said in an interview.

Sanofi-Synthelabo has completed one set of clinical trials involving
treating obesity with SR141716 and is now in talks with the U.S. Food and
Drug Administration about a next set of trials, said Dr. Joseph Palumbo, a
research official with the firm. "We're still learning about some of the
effects that we may have."

Subjects in the study were given either SR141716 or a placebo (dummy pill)
and two hours later smoked one marijuana cigarette. Those who received the
compound showed significantly reduced marijuana effects, while the placebo
group showed typical marijuana intoxication, the researchers said.

Subjects given the highest dose of SR141716 (90 mg) reported a 43 percent
reduction in how "high" they felt compared to the control group, the study
found. They also had a 59 percent smaller increase in heart rate, one of the
primary physical effects of marijuana.

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