[CTRL] Our President is marked by whom?

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

When Ronald Reagan was taking on this NWO and all for which it standns,
which includes the Federal Reserve and their cats paw Bnai Brith and
ADL, it was reported in the Columbus Dispatch that Reagan had better
change his plans..the 300 or sometimes called the 400, were more
than just up set with him.   At the time I thought, those bastards -
threatening the President of the United States.

Two days later another front page story, but not headline (those
headlines were reminiscent of Jean Dixon marking the Kennedys for
murder, over and over and over again =-that is how propaganda
works)..anyway, two days later, little front page story Castro
Plans to Assassinate Reagan.

Well my old boss Bob Kirkland, retired FBI was walking down the hall,
and without thinking I said They are going to shoot Reagan and blame it
on Castro..he just looked, and smiled as though I had been day
dreaming, but I was just reading the paper, and walked out.   The only
thing this man had in his office was a telephone book; nothing else,
just a telephone book.

So two days or so later my boss rwalked out and said they just shot
Reagan, how did you know..I told him why I had said it.

So now, they are starting on George W. Bush.  These bastards put out the
word Osama bin Laden had plot to murder George W. Bush, who happens to
be our President who does not  along with the ADL line of thinking, and
has not been aggressive enough for the little state of Israel..they
want to murder all the Palestinians and the Master Plan for Murder is
Set into operation.

Our Secret Service better not let their guard down for one moment, as
they did in Dallas that day - now here they tried to blame right
wingers.what else would one expect from this element in our
society..Meyer Lansky,  had just been kicked out of Cuba by Castro
and the plans were put into motion.

Often wondered what Operation Evergreen was - for Evergreen to me
symbolizes Ephraim - the Green Fir Tree - and the President of the
United Streets.

They are still using the bible code - another Operation Moses, for the
wrong man, like JFK go elected; and the wrong man, RFK would have been
elected; and the wong man George Wallace was upsetting the golden
apple.

But at Maureen Reagan said when she was told her father had been gunned
down virtually - No not this President, not this president will he
kill.

Watch out for the Astrologers and phoney psychic prophets for as they
say in Acts 16 these people bring their masters much profit.

As for John F. Kennedy Jr., this greatest threat to this vicious evil
element, murdered him before he had the chance, to expose them - he
could have had anything he wanted -

This is another attempt at the 1000 Year Reich.the born again
Messiah and our country is in grave danger.

Saba

This time people will be prepared and watchful.we have no Walter
Lippman's reciting from the 109th psalm around today who was an insider
- who obviously knew the score when he said Surely the democrats will
be punished and their offices taken away keyed to this Master Plan for
Murder - and then Teddy was nearly murdered again this time on a
bridge..

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[CTRL] Fwd: League of the South requests Civil War reparations

[Aleisha Saba]

I say you all, I am gettin in on this suit for most of my ancetors
fought with the South during the Civil War..and a Stiles dies in
Andersonville AFTER the Civil War and assume he was the one who rode
with Jesse James and the god damned Yankees got him.

So as my two great Uncles used to  say (Jefferson Davis Hoke and
Stonewall Jackson Hoke and do not think that ws their real
names)..as they said, Save Your Confederate Money boys, the South
will ride again, and this time we let Morris Dees pay for it for that
guy should be sued from here to eternity.

Saba

Any money derived in the even we win this case and I have documentation
of this one real plantation and the will - but any money derived will be
given to the IRA or Sinn Fein, with small portion going to Animal
Welfare - a private organization who saves the lives of cats and
dogs...




If at first you don't secede...

~~~ forwarded message ~~~

Source:
http://news.excite.com/news/uw/010621/politics-66

League of the South requests Civil War reparations


   Updated: Thu, Jun 21 12:00 PM EDT


   By Brandon Evans
   The Auburn Plainsman
   Auburn U.

   (U-WIRE) AUBURN, Ala. -- In an effort to relieve the Southern man's
   burden, the League of the South started an online petition which it is
   considering to present to Congress.

   According to the petition, the petitioners want Congress to conduct
   a thorough, non-partisan study examining the long-neglected
   injustices arising from the war crimes committed across the South
   from 1861-65 in violation of the U.S. Constitution, the Law of Nations
   and U.S. Executive Order No. 100, whereby the private property of
   non-combatants was ravaged, burned, stolen and destroyed as a
   deliberate policy of an unconstitutional war of invasion, conquest and
   occupation ... We anticipate that a thorough and impartial
   congressional investigation will reveal the necessity for a
   long-overdue compensatory program of justice for people of all races
   in the South who were subjected to treatment during and after the
   War Between the States that resulted in little less than barbaric
   dispossession and destruction of Southern people and their way of
   life.

   Eric Peatman, a junior in zoology and coordinator of the Auburn
   University chapter for the League of the South, said the Auburn
   chapter supports the petition.

   My family is from Savannah, Peatman said. My grandmother tells
   me stories she heard from her grandmother suffering from Sherman's
   troops.

   You can travel across Georgia and still see the damage.

   The LOS Web site contains the petition and currently has more than
   2,200 electronic signatures from people across the country.

   Last year, the Southern Poverty Law Center released a 53-page
   research report declaring the LOS a hate group.

   Heidi Beirick, a senior writer for the SPLC's magazine, Intelligence
   Report, said, I think it is a cynical attempt by the League of the
   South to profile themselves as a suffering group, while
   African-American leaders and civil rights groups are asking for
   reparations stemming from the serious issue of slavery.

   I think it is a mockery to the high-profile attempts made by
   African-Americans, Beirick.

   Beirick also said the petition by the LOS comes in the wake of the
   nationally run advertisement by David Horowitz.

   The advertisement ran in student and professional papers alike, and
   stated 10 reasons against giving reparations to descendants of
   slaves. Critics called the ad racist, and a small protest of the ad
   occurred at Berkeley.

   (C) 2001 The Auburn Plainsman via U-WIRE

[CTRL] Powell Comments on SSN Tracking of US Citizens

[Steve]

-Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded message follows ---
Date sent:  Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:34:19 -0700
From:   Anna M* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:IUFO: It has finally been 'voiced'
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I believe that this post is worth forwarding.
Anna



It has finally been 'voiced'. I think we all know this however
haven't voiced it or if we have we have been 'put down' about it.
But now here it is spoken by a representative of the people who
'manipulated' the election results.

Knowledge is Freedom.
Margaret


  Date: June 19, 2001 at 17:57:57
  From: EMPORER'S NEW CLOTHES,
  Subject: POWELL BITES TONGUE ON FOX NEWS...TOO LATE

  Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:24:53 -0700 (PDT)
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [SupremeLaw] Colin Powell leaks real reason for SSN:
monitor/track/capture Americans

  [Colin Powell] - Finding the Russian scientists may
  be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social
  Security System, as here in America, that allows us to
  monitor, track down and capture an American citizen.

  Please Read! Please Forward!
  Anyone wanting more information please reply to:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  To: The American Public

  Dear Folks:

  I was watching Fox News Sunday this morning, 06/17/01,
  being hosted in the first segment by Tony Snow. The
  lead off guest was Colin Powell, the US Secretary of
  State. Mr. Powell gave an excellent recitation
  relevant to foreign affair matters.

  I am strongly motivated, and send this e-mail
  communication to you based on a statement made by Mr.
  Powell during his recitation. Mr. Powell during the
  entire interview was very confident, and spoke without
  hesitation throughout the entire interview excluding
  for a one second period, after one specific statement
  made by him as he was talking about the Russian
  peoples. When he realized the consequences of making
  this disclosure indirectly to the American public, he
  froze for a second, his eyes rolled back as he
  realized what he had said, and then he continued
  without further pause for the rest of the interview.

  In my lifetime, I have never sent out to others a post
  relevant to a quote I heard while watching a news
  program. In this case, the significance of what was
  said in the flow of truth coming from Mr. Powell, is a
  statement that establishes the primary reality of
  intent per the politics and operative structure coming
  from government in this country. I had to immediately
  share what I had heard with others.

  Mr. Powell was discussing Mr. Bush's trip to Europe,
  and was at a point in his recitation covering certain
  concerns regarding Russia, and Russia being requested
  to cooperate with the United States too track down
  lost Nuclear materials and scientists who were
  unaccounted for after the break up of Russia, that now
  may be in the hands of, or in the case of the missing
  scientists, working for adversaries of the USA.

  The quote from Mr. Powell, per the Russian Scientists
  that every American NEEDS to hear immediately is as
  follows:

  [Colin Powell] - Finding the Russian scientists may
  be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social
  Security System, as here in America, that allows us to
  monitor, track down and capture an American citizen.

  EMPHASIS added to the word CAPTURE!

  Please pass this on to every one that you know. The
  significance of Mr. Powell's statement is profound,
  and essential to be heard by all in this country.

  I thank Mr. Powell for inadvertently being honest
  towards the underlying intent of the US Government,
  reaffirmed by his admission.

  Yours Truly,

  Walter J. Burien, Jr

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[Aleisha Saba]

Wayne: Extremely imoportant.

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  In 1989, Captain Russbacher violated direct orders and married,
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  It is evident to all who are familiar with the Russbacher case that
he was a political prisoner of the Bush administration. The following
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Jefferson City Correctional Center in Missouri.

  Captain Russbacher has been called the Company Banker. Because of
this, he had to be knowledgeable about the banking system in the United
States. Once he began studying the Federal Reserve, its origins and its
global aspirations, he began to understand how three hundred families
control the world. This article was written from memory, with a little help
from friends at Langley Center.


  The One World Monetary Cabal

  The story of my investigation into the One-World monetary cabal
begins in the elevator at Langley Center, (Headquarters for the Central
Intelligence Agency in McLean, Virginia.) I had just finished a field
exercise designed to certify me for further operations status. I had
narrowly passed.

  On the elevator, a friend invited me to join him and three others for
dinner. Knowing that my plane wasn't due out until 0800 hours the following
morning, I accepted. I needed a shower, so I hurriedly walked to my car and
began the drive back to the city. It was a sweltering day in the Capitol.
The air appeared to stand still. Mosquitos angrily attacked anything that
moved on the hot pavement. Little did I suspect, as I drove back to my
hotel, that tonight's dinner was going to be more than just a friendly
gathering.

  After a shower, shave and fresh clothes, I arrived at the restaurant.
I arrived early so I could have a drink and check out the place. I made my
way through the restaurant, heading for the bar. Hopefully no one noticed my
surprise when I saw the group who had already gathered. It was a weekend,
the place should have been empty. But it was filled with high level
government types, most of whom I knew. My friend from work was already in
the bar. Judging from the half-filled drink in his hand, he had arrived
early with the same intent in mind. The three others he mentioned this
afternoon were with him.

  After exchanging the usual, banal forms of greetings, we were led
into the dining room. Over hors d'oeuvres I realized that I was in the midst
of a serious meeting. The others who were present (with the exception of one
man, who was employed by one of the wire services,) were all top echelon
government employees. Together we represented the elite of the investigative
and intelligence communities. You didn't need to be a rocket scientist to
know that something more than dinner was going on here. To slam home the
point, a guy from State, (the State Department) read us our evening's
agenda. We were apprized that dinner would be brief so we should eat fast. A
helicopter would pick us up and take us to a SPECIAL MANUFACTURING plant.

  Not knowing when we'd eat again, we followed his suggestion and ate
quickly, in studied silence. We were soon told that the helicopters were
waiting, ready to take us deep into the Maryland countryside. We left the
table and boarded, still not knowing where we were going or why.

  The flight was thankfully uneventful and the craft softly deposited
us on the lawn in front of the corporate offices of a large manufacturing
plant. I offered the guess that the firm was considering an expansion or
maybe desired a government contract. Possibly they were looking for
government assistance to fund their current projects. At that point, all
speculations were pure 

Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

[Xxx Yyy]

-Caveat Lector-

Gee, when will you get to the part that says they aren't human because they
don't have blond hair and blue eyes and speak German?  Or maybe they aren't
human if they aren't productive?  Or maybe they aren't human if the skin
color and religions are wrong?  Oh no, of course you wouldn't.  That isn't
politically correct...yet.

You say: He doesn't have lungs. He doesn't have other human organs. He
doesn't have a brain. He doesn't have vocal chords.

A family member is in the hospital, having trouble with his lungs and I am
having problems with doctors who have no respect for his life.   The mute may
have less than perfect vocal cords.  Are they less than human?  Your brain
seems to have some shorts in its logical functioning?  Want to tell us how it
feels to be less than a complete human?

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[CTRL] [Politics] It takes a new law ? (fwd)

[William Bacon]

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visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html

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[CTRL] Wildlife holocaust may be triggered by vanishing borders (fwd)

[Yardbird]

-Caveat Lector-

For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/

Wildlife holocaust may be triggered by vanishing borders
Issue 79: June 23, 2001

+== TIME OUT PROJECT ==+

Each day, tens of thousands of trucks pass into the United States from
Mexico -- 5000 through Laredo, Texas checkpoints alone, reports the
Christian Science Monitor Week (Since NAFTA, increased drug traffic, May
10-16, 2001).  And according to the Washington Times, Only 60
inspectors monitor the 80,000 American and Mexican rigs that cross the
border 4.5 million times per year. (Highways to open to Mexican
trucking, May 3, 2001)

This crush of cross-border truck traffic poses huge problems for law
enforcement, which faces record levels of drugs and humans smuggled in
big rigs.

But John Tanton, publisher of the quarterly journal, The Social
Contract,  points out another threat -- often overlooked -- posed by
increasingly open borders: the introduction into the United States of
foreign plagues such as foot-and-mouth disease (already endemic in parts
of South America as far north as Colombia).

If the foot-and-mouth virus is let loose on our susceptible animals,
writes Dr. Tanton, there will be no calling it back, especially for
wild creatures. The risk is huge, and the consequences are potentially
devastating, both environmentally and economically.

Yet, the last line of defense against such a disaster, the U.S.-Mexico
border, is vanishing before our eyes, according to the June 11 Time
Magazine cover proclaiming AMEXICA!
__
Hoof-and-Mouth Disease -- A Border Control Issue
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=958terms=hoof-and-mouth

Details of foot-and-mouth disease
http://projectusa.org/Ezine/ezine_links/Ezine_memo_hoof_mouth.html

The Threat of NAFTA Trucking (great stuff here)
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/nafta-trucking.html


+== TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ==+

Despite the serious potential danger, the Bush Administration is
irresponsibly pushing ahead with its plans to open the United States
completely to Mexican trucks.

This would greatly increase the likelihood that foot-and-mouth disease
will find its way into the United States. It is not hard to picture the
nightmarish results if this were to happen.  Millions of deer and other
cloven-hoofed wildlife would suffer a painful, untreatable disease
comparable to leprosy, and infected domestic animals -- such as dairy
cows -- would be subject to wholesale slaughter.

Those organizations that care about the well-being of animals and
wildlife should be front and center in opposing the reckless,
profit-driven dismantling of border safeguards.

You can contact the organization below with this message:  Please oppose
the corporate globalists and their friends in the Bush Administration
who want to open the United States to Mexican trucks.  This plan
increases the likelihood that diseases like foot-and-mouth will infect
our domestic and wild animal populations.  Please help stop this
potential holocaust by taking a strong stand against NAFTA, FTAA and the
other globalist corporate consumerist schemes.

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+== QUOTE OF THE WEEK ==+

Speaking as a retired former Director of the U.S. Border Patrol Academy,
and a former Chief Patrol Agent for the INS Border Patrol, I will state
unequivocally that we can and should immediately deploy the Army and
other armed forces to our southern border. Currently our border is out
of control because of our government's refusal to deal with the problem.

Bill King


+==EMAIL OF THE WEEK==+

I just found out about your organization while reading Newsmax.com, and
I think the concept of advertising the immigration problem on billboards
is a great idea. This open-door immigration policy is another form of
insanity. Your organization exhibits a high degree of common sense so
often lacking in our out-of-control society.

Bruce
Wilkes-Barre, PA


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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 06/22/2001 9:51:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When my friend took over the information officer role of the scottish
 theosophical society
 his brief folder went missing - it subsequently turned up with many
 documents missing
 but with One notable insertion - religious sounding right wing documentation
 of a global cull -
 that spoke of justice without mercy -
 are you unaware of the causes of the great dying prudy 

Well perhaps not, although I've watched with interest as the major portion of
the continent of Africa has been let go.  Basically it's all going much as
one would expect after reading The Report from Iron Mountain.  I'm sure the
majority of the world's people are no longer needed and will be disposed of
when the time is right.  I have always thought that when a really effective
vaccine for ebola is perfected, action will be taken.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Gay Muslim Conference Launches (fwd)

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Gay Muslim Conference Launches

Friday, 22nd June 2001

A conference of gay Muslims has launched in San Francisco amid fears of
threats.

http://www.rainbownetwork.com/content/NewsLife.asp?newsid=1907

The Second North American Conference for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
Transgendered and Questioning Muslims and their Friends will run this
weekend with workshops, and events intended to help lesbian and gay
Muslims reconcile their sexual orientation with Islam. It is the largest
event of its kind, with participants from Bangladesh, Belgium, The
Netherlands, and Britain.

The Al-Fatiha Foundation, who are organising the conference, have 2000
members worldwide. The group regularly receives threats. Because of this,
media and press representatives will not be allowed to photograph or film
workshops and panel discussions. The conference venue is being kept
secret.

Faisal Alam, one of the organisers, said in an interview with the San
Francisco Chronicle: I`ve heard over and over you can`t be gay and
Muslim. It`s an oxymoron. Sex is a taboo in our families, our communities
and in our mosques. Now, we can point to Al-Fatiha, where we can address
our issues and put a face to it.

But Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Islamic Society of North America
wants gay and lesbian Muslims to repent. He said responded: Being gay and
Muslim is a contradiction in terms. Islam is totally against
homosexuality. It`s clear in the Koran and in the sayings of the prophet
Mohammed.

Conference delegates will march in San Franciscos Pride celebrations this
weekend.

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[CTRL] FC: U.K. bans publication of info on toddler's killers -- forever (fwd)

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[Summary: Two boys who murdered a 2-year old tot when they were 10 years
old are now 18 years old and about to be given new identities by the Crown.
To protect them from attempts at revenge, the government has permanently
banned the publication of any info about their new identities -- which
creates a problem, since photos of them are apparently available and could
circulate online. Originally they were convicted to 15 years in prison, but
are now have to be released because of a ruling by the European Court of
Human Rights. --DBM]

---

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=83688
Lives of falsehood and fear await killers
2001-06-23 03:28:10

It would be illegal for media in England and Wales to identify them but the
courts would struggle to prevent details of their new lives being posted on
the Internet. An up-to-date photograph of one of them is already said to be
circulating in Merseyside and may be posted on a website. If either boys
new circumstances are made known, the process of building a new identity
will have to be carried out again, at yet more expense.

---

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010623/wl/crime_britain_breach_dc_1.html
UK Probes Possible Bulger Murder Identity Breach
2001-06-23 05:11:10

``The attention of the attorney general has been drawn to an article in
today's Manchester Evening News, which appears to be in breach of the
injunction granted by the High Court on 8 January 2001, as it contains
information which might lead to the identification of the present
whereabouts of John Venables and Robert Thompson,'' a statement said. ``The
attorney general is considering as a matter of urgency whether it would be
appropriate to issue proceedings for contempt in the light of this.'' If
contempt of court proceedings go ahead, the Manchester Evening News could
face an unlimited fine and its editor could be jailed.

---

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=83773
Pair may cost the British taxpayer £5 million
2001-06-23 03:28:11

Thompson and Venables will be monitored by probation officers for the rest
of their lives, adding to the cost of the operation. There have also been
reports that they will have special phone links to police stations in case
of vigilante attack.

---

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/newsid_1403000/1403867.stm
Paper denies 'breach' of Bulger order
2001-06-23 04:10:05

A newspaper has denied knowingly breaching an injunction preventing the
publication of details about James Bulger's killers. The Manchester Evening
News is in talks with the Attorney General after it published information
on the whereabouts of Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.

---

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13803902
BULGER KILLERS GO ON HOLS
2001-06-23 03:28:11

Earlier this week it emerged that £1.5million has been spent creating new
identities for the boys. Both teenagers and their families have been given
new names, birth certificates, passports and National Insurance numbers.
They will also get fully-fitted £65,000 homes with the £270-a-week rent
paid. On top of that they are in line for free cars, credit cards, police
protection and cash handouts for the rest of their lives - all paid for by
taxpayers.

---

http://www.latimes.com/print/asection/20010623/t51931.html
Student Killers of Boy, 2, Paroled
2001-06-23 07:28:47
Fearing attack, the teens won a High Court injunction protecting their new
identities and prohibiting the British media from publicizing any
photographs of them taken since the time of the murder or any details of
their new lives that might lead to their being recognized.

---

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?f=/stories/20010623/599892.html
Toddler's murderers to be freed
2001-06-23 05:45:06

The privacy decision in the Bulger case was opposed by some free-speech
advocates, who argued it stifled the media's ability to report the news,
and by members of victims' rights groups, who say the killers were being
granted unusual privileges. They should take their chances on the streets
like every other murderer who is released, said Dee Warner, a spokeswoman
for Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, a lobbying group.

---

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/06/23/bulger.paper/index.html
Bulger injunction breach investigated
2001-06-22 23:40:05

News of the publication of details, which were also carried on the paper's
Web site, drew an astonished reaction from legal experts and MPs. Any
newspaper found to have breached the injunction could face an unlimited
fine or the imprisonment of their editor under the Contempt of Court Act.

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[CTRL] FC: More on U.K. bans publication of info on toddler's killers (fwd)

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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:43:53 +0100
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FC: U.K. bans publication of info on toddler's killers -- forever
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 02:31:59PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
  [Summary: Two boys who murdered a 2-year old tot when they were 10 years
  old are now 18 years old and about to be given new identities by the Crown.
  To protect them from attempts at revenge, the government has permanently
  banned the publication of any info about their new identities -- which
  creates a problem, since photos of them are apparently available and could
  circulate online. Originally they were convicted to 15 years in prison, but
  are now have to be released because of a ruling by the European Court of
  Human Rights. --DBM]

No, they were originally sentenced to be detained at her majesty's
pleasure and the trial judge recommended eight years.  The popularist
Home Secretary at the time decided that wasn't enough (although note that
he didn't make that decision until the tabloid press had been clamouring
for it) and changed it to fifteen years.  The ECHR ruled that that was
not valid because politicians should not be involved in sentencing.
Therefore, the original trial judge's recommendation was used by the
parole board.

  http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13803902
  BULGER KILLERS GO ON HOLS
  2001-06-23 03:28:11
 
  Earlier this week it emerged that £1.5million has been spent creating new
  identities for the boys.

A figure I have not seen anywhere else, and which I treat with the deepest
scepticism.

   Both teenagers and their families have been given
  new names, birth certificates, passports and National Insurance numbers.

All true, AFAIK.  That's what it takes to manufacture a new identity.
They need a new identity, as there have been death threats made against
them.

  They will also get fully-fitted £65,000 homes with the £270-a-week rent
  paid.

Somewhat unlikely, considering that there is property available at MUCH
lower rents.  And the Scum does not, of course, tell us the source of this
wild allegation.

On top of that they are in line for free cars, credit cards, police
  protection and cash handouts for the rest of their lives - all paid for by
  taxpayers.

Police protection, yes.  The rest - sounds like utter bollocks.

I wouldn't believe a word the Sun says.  It is a nasty little right-wing
tabloid scandal-sheet which loves distorting the facts on those occasions
when it doesn't just make stuff up to suit its agenda.

 
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?f=/stories/20010623/599892.html
  Toddler's murderers to be freed
  2001-06-23 05:45:06
 
  The privacy decision in the Bulger case was opposed by some free-speech
  advocates, who argued it stifled the media's ability to report the news,
  and by members of victims' rights groups, who say the killers were being
  granted unusual privileges. They should take their chances on the streets
  like every other murderer who is released, said Dee Warner, a spokeswoman
  for Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, a lobbying group.

I wonder how this lobby group would react if they were hunted down and
murdered by vigilantes, as would also certainly happen if their identities
were not protected.  They are not being granted unusual privileges but
rather are getting the same sort of protection as other people have in the
past when they are directly threatened.  Figures such as Salman Rushdie.

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[CTRL] HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH DEMANDS INVESTIGATION OF ARIEL SHARON (fwd)

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U.S.-Based Rights Group Backs Inquiry of Sharon

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010623/pl/rights_israel_dc_1.html

Saturday June 23

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A leading U.S.-based human rights group on Saturday
called for a criminal investigation of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon's role in the massacre of hundreds of Palestinians during Israel's
1982 invasion of Lebanon.

``There is abundant evidence that war crimes and crimes against humanity
were committed on a wide scale in the Sabra and Shatila massacre, but to
date, not a single individual has been brought to justice,'' said Hanny
Megally, executive director of Human Rights Watch's Middle East and North
Africa division.

The British Broadcasting Corp. aired a report last week examining whether
Sharon could be put on trial for the killing of hundreds of Palestinians
by Israeli-allied Lebanese Christian militiamen at the Sabra and Shatila
refugee camps in Beirut in 1982.

Israeli officials have accused the BBC of anti-Semitism and taking an
anti-Israeli editorial slant in its reporting.

Survivors of the massacre filed a case in Brussels on Monday, accusing
Sharon of crimes against humanity. The case was brought under a 1993
Belgian law which allows war criminals to be tried in Belgium regardless
of their nationality or where the crimes were committed.

In its statement, Human Rights Watch urged President Bush to discuss the
matter with Sharon during their scheduled meeting at the White House on
Tuesday, and urge him to cooperate with any investigation.

The group said the United States had a substantial interest in the case
because the Israeli occupation of West Beirut followed written U.S.
assurances that Palestinians remaining there would be safe, as part of an
arrangement regarding the evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization
forces.

ISRAELI INQUIRY FOUND SHARON INDIRECTLY AT FAULT

A 1983 state inquiry found Sharon, then Israel's defense minister,
indirectly responsible for the killing of hundreds of Palestinian men,
women and children at Sabra and Shatila.

The Israeli army allowed Israeli-backed Christian Phalangist militiamen to
enter the camp, ostensibly to search for Palestinian gunmen, after the
assassination of Phalangist leader Bashir Gemayel, the Lebanese
president-elect.

Sharon's aides insist that he and other Israeli commanders never
anticipated the massacre would happen.

Human Rights Watch said the Israeli state investigation could not
substitute for proceedings in a criminal court in Israel or elsewhere that
would bring to justice those responsible for the killings.

Megally said the Lebanese government should also examine the role of
militia leaders like Elie Hobeika, who carried out the killings.

``But the Israeli government also has a responsibility to conduct an
investigation into the actions of its own high officials who knew ... that
atrocities were likely to occur and did not act promptly to stop them once
they knew the killing had started,'' he added.

Israeli military intelligence estimated that between 700 and 800 people
were killed in the refugee camps over three days. The victims included
infants, children, women and the elderly.

Sharon leaves Israel on Sunday for talks with Bush. He is due to stop over
in London for discussions with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

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Re: [CTRL] Gay Muslim Conference Launches (fwd)

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What was that Saudi Arabia did to three gay moslems?   Dropped a wall
on them which is a custom.look out for the earthquakes.

This the ADL will try to stop this one, for they say 1 out of 5 in the
world, is a Muslim; now, remember how Gay Pride attempted to sabotage
the Knights of St. Patrick's Parade?

Wouldn't it be  sweet of the ADL got all their informers and supporters
to march in support of this Gay Moslem Pride bunch?   Join hands for
they are the world?

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Re: [CTRL] Study links red meat to colon cancer

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Life is linked to death.

 Study links red meat to colon cancer

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Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

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Besides, if my son doesn't have lungs, how could he be hollering to his
brother at this very moment? And his best friend (age 6) has a
brain-stem tumor that has left him in a wheelchair, unable to eat
without a feeding tube or breathe without a tracheotomy. Is he less
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 Gee, when will you get to the part that says they aren't human
 because they
 don't have blond hair and blue eyes and speak German?  Or maybe they
 aren't
 human if they aren't productive?  Or maybe they aren't human if
 the skin
 color and religions are wrong?  Oh no, of course you wouldn't.  That
 isn't
 politically correct...yet.

 You say: He doesn't have lungs. He doesn't have other human organs.
 He
 doesn't have a brain. He doesn't have vocal chords.

 A family member is in the hospital, having trouble with his lungs and
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Re: [CTRL] [Politics] It takes a new law ? (fwd)

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William, is there a link? I'd like to see the whole article. Thanks.

Tenorlove

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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)

[Nurev Ind.]

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Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 In a message dated 06/22/2001 9:51:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  When my friend took over the information officer role of the scottish
  theosophical society
  his brief folder went missing - it subsequently turned up with many
  documents missing
  but with One notable insertion - religious sounding right wing documentation
  of a global cull -
  that spoke of justice without mercy -
  are you unaware of the causes of the great dying prudy 

 Well perhaps not, although I've watched with interest as the major portion of
 the continent of Africa has been let go.  Basically it's all going much as
 one would expect after reading The Report from Iron Mountain.  I'm sure the
 majority of the world's people are no longer needed and will be disposed of
 when the time is right.  I have always thought that when a really effective
 vaccine for ebola is perfected, action will be taken.  Prudy


Report From Iron Mountain is a fake. It was written as satire.
No one is decimating the world population intentionally. That's
just paranoid nonsense.

Mass dying in Africa is happening because of the inability of most
Africans to make the changes in their culture necessary to survive
modern afflictions. That's all.

The betrayal of their leadership in most, but not all African countries
doesn't help either. I'm speaking of Mbeki of S. Africa who doesn't
want to piss of the International Globalists by making it legal to
produce cheap generic facsimiles of Aids drugs, and undercutting the price
gouging of the capitalist drug companies. He also won't dedicate
the little money he has to the care of his sick and dying people because
it is considered a waste of resources which foreign investors would
rather see go into the country's infrastructure.

This demonstrates the evil that is International Capitalism. Africa is
a byproduct. No one is planning this as such.

J2

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[CTRL] Fwd: In Memory of Yitzhak Rabin: His Life

[Aleisha Saba]

Here are two stories a tale of two leaders - the former a soldier the
latter a soldier - and both ended up running Israel.

Noted both went to the British Staff School at Camberly, and presumed
this must be like the War College in USA (my brother in law graduated
from this War College).

British Staff School - then consider Clinton went to Oxford, and these
Rhodes Scholars and Rhodes Round Table - tell me, when this bunch leaves
a place, do they leave anything of value?

Now Israel is more divided than the USA.somehow the Rabin Americans
remember does not fit the profile of the man who died with a song of
peace in his pocket.

Saba

CUT THE AID TO ISRAEL AND STOP THE WARS  - then use the money to feed
the 9 million American kids who go to bed hungry at night.

What sickened me was this friendship of Rabin with Henry Kissinger -
the man who wants to corner market on food and water - America's Trojan
Horse?

First Story of Two Stories on Israel Leaders



Ariel Sharon
(1928 - )
Ariel Sharon was born at Kfar Malal in 1928. He joined the Haganah at
the age of 14 in 1942. During the 1948 War of Independence, he commanded
an infantry company in the Alexandroni Brigade. In 1953, he founded and
led the 101 special commando unit which carried out retaliatory
operations. Sharon was appointed commander of a Paratroop Corps in 1956
and fought in the Sinai Campaign. In 1957 he attended the Camberley
Staff College in Great Britain.

During 1958-62, Sharon served as Infantry Brigade Commander and then
Infantry School Commander, and attended Law School at Tel Aviv
University. He was appointed Head of the Northern Command Staff in 1964
and Head of the Army Training Department in 1966. He participated in the
1967 Six Day War as commander of an armored division. In 1969 he was
appointed Head of the Southern Command Staff. Sharon resigned from the
army in June 1972, but was recalled to active military service in the
1973 Yom Kippur War to command an armored division that crossed the Suez
Canal.

Ariel Sharon was elected to the Knesset in December 1973, but resigned a
year later, serving as Security Adviser to Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin
(1975). He was elected to the Knesset in 1977 on the Shlomzion ticket.
Following the elections, he joined the Herut party and was appointed
Minister of Agriculture.
Sharon served as Minister of Defense from 1981-83, which position he
held during the War in Lebanon. He resigned after a government
commission found him indirectly responsible for the September 1992
massacre of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps by
Lebanese Christians.

Sharon remained in the government as a minister without portfolio and
then served as Minister of Industry and Trade from 1984-90 and as
Minister of Housing and Construction from 1990-92. In the 13th Knesset,
he served on the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
Sharon served as Minister of National Infrastructure from July 1996-July
1999, and as Minister of Foreign Affairs from October

1998-July 1999.
Re-elected to the 15th Knesset in May 1999, he served as chairman of the
Likud following the resignation of Benjamin Netanyahu.
In a special election for Prime Minister in February 2001, Sharon
defeated incumbent Ehud Barak to become the 11th person to hold that
position.
Sharon is widowed and has two sons.

Source: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and JTA.

*

In Memoriam
Yitzhak Rabin: Soldier Turned Peacemaker
by Marilyn Berger
New York Times
November 5, 1995

Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister of Israel who was assassinated on
November 4, 1995 at age 73, was a soldier turned politician, statesman,
and peacemaker. He lad his country into uncahrted territory to make
peace with Palestinians and put an end to the wars and bloodshed and
terrorism that had plagued his country since its founding.

It was Rabin, the commander-in-chief of Israel's armed forces in 1967,
who had led the lightning strike that captured broad swaths of Arab
territories.

Then, 26 years later, on September 13, 1993, it was Prime Minister Rabin
who reluctantly extended his hand to Yasser Arafat, leader of the
Palestinian Liberation Organization, to put a symbolic seal of approval
on an accord that would lead to the return of much of that territory and
to the Palestinian self-rule on the Israeli-occupied West Bank and the
Gaza Strip.

In an unusual ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House, one that
few had ever expected to see in their lifetimes, Rabin came face-to-face
with the man who had been reviled for decades by the Israelis as the
mastermind behind one attack after another on their men, women and
children.

The time for peace has come, Rabin declared. We, the soldiers who
have returned from battles stained with blood, we who have seen our
relatives and friends killed before our eyes,.
. .we who have come from a land where parents bury their children, we
who have fought against you, the Palestinians---we 

Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

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Xxx Yyy wrote:

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 Gee, when will you get to the part that says they aren't human because they
 don't have blond hair and blue eyes and speak German?

That's right they don't. But that's not why they aren't human.

 Or maybe they aren't
 human if they aren't productive?

They are not. But that's not why they aren't human. The Clergy and Bankers
are also parasites, but they have developed enough in the womb to survive
birth and and take their place as humans.

 Or maybe they aren't human if the skin
 color and religions are wrong?  Oh no, of course you wouldn't.  That isn't
 politically correct...yet.

You are an idiot. Probably a religious idiot.


 You say: He doesn't have lungs. He doesn't have other human organs. He
 doesn't have a brain. He doesn't have vocal chords.

That's nature baby. I'm just explaining it to you because you are an
ignorant moron who obviously doesn't even know high school biology.


 A family member is in the hospital, having trouble with his lungs and I am
 having problems with doctors who have no respect for his life.

That's your problem and his problem. That has nothing to do with this
discussion, since he has developed into a full fledged human being, and
managed to get born.

  The mute may
 have less than perfect vocal cords.  Are they less than human?  Your brain
 seems to have some shorts in its logical functioning?  Want to tell us how it
 feels to be less than a complete human?

Your stupidity seems to match that of Colleen/Saba/Goldberg. Your not trying
to pull a fast one are you Saba?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Streisand: Energy Conservation for Thee but Not for Me

[Bill Howard]

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In a message dated 6/23/01 9:37:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Not propeganda, but the truth, and you know it. 

Thats correct, Steve. Just tipical left wing, liberal bovine do-do.

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Re: [CTRL] Powell Comments on SSN Tracking of US Citizens

[Bill Howard]

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In a message dated 6/24/01 1:26:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  [Colin Powell] - Finding the Russian scientists may
  be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social
  Security System, as here in America, that allows us to
  monitor, track down and capture an American citizen. 

This should make the socialists, pinkos, and others akin to them in the
United States very happy. They have gotten what they have always wanted.
Control!

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Streisand: Energy Conservation for Thee but Not for Me

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 Thats correct, Steve. Just tipical left wing, liberal bovine do-do.

oh, and i thought it was the damn lefties who minced their words. if you
mean bullshit, then say bullshit and stop acting like a goddamned liberal.

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[CTRL] Konformist: High noon for the morning-after pill (fwd)

[Yardbird]

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Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com


http://www.salon.com

High noon for the morning-after pill
With the medical establishment pushing to make it available over the
counter, and anti-abortion groups fighting to stop it, little-known
emergency contraception could be the next battle in the reproductive
wars.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Janelle Brown

June 20, 2001 | Perhaps the one thing both sides of the abortion
debate can agree on is that it would be a good thing if there were a
lot fewer of them. Every year, more than 3 million American women
have unintended pregnancies, and almost half of those pregnancies end
in abortion. This, by any measure, is a national dilemma, regardless
of whether your sympathies lie with the embryo or with the woman who
must make the decision to terminate her pregnancy.

It's remarkable, then, that the most effective tool for reducing the
number of abortions remains so little-known and inaccessible. Every
woman in America probably knows what an abortion is, but only 15
percent have ever heard of the morning-after pill. Yet according to
the medical community, the morning-after pill -- also called
emergency contraception -- could potentially cut America's abortion
rate in half.

Emergency contraception consists of a high dose of the hormones found
in ordinary birth control pills. If taken within 72 hours after
unprotected sex, the morning-after pill can prevent pregnancy 75 to
85 percent of the time. Taking it is easy: Women can either pick
apart a packet of birth control pills and take about twice the
prescribed dose, or get a prescription for one of the two FDA-
approved drugs that are marketed specifically as emergency
contraception. One such product, called Preven, was approved by the
FDA in 1998; the other, Plan B, a year later. Emergency contraception
is widely endorsed by doctors as being both safe and effective.

The morning-after pill is commonly confused with RU-486, the so-
called abortion pill, which ends a pregnancy several weeks after it
has begun. Emergency contraception takes effect much earlier.
Depending on where a woman is in her menstrual cycle, it has one of
three effects: It prevents ovulation, stops fertilization or -- most
controversially -- prevents implantation of an egg that has been
fertilized.

Emergency contraception has been a relatively minor player in the
nation's wracking battle over reproductive rights, but that could
change soon. With the medical establishment pushing to have emergency
contraception available over the counter, and anti-abortion groups
and perhaps the Bush administration gearing up to stop it, a major
battle could be brewing. If anti-abortion forces succeed in
demonizing the morning-after-pill just as it promises to become more
widespread, the nation's great potential weapon against abortion
could once again slip into oblivion.

Emergency contraception has been available for decades in this
country, but the first emergency contraception product was only
approved by the FDA in 1998. Until the FDA's action, most women
weren't even aware of its existence: It was used mainly by college
students and clients of family planning clinics. Then, in April of
this year, the American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians
issued a call to arms, asking doctors across the country to
proactively distribute prescriptions for emergency contraception
during their patients' annual visits. And the American Medical
Association is now pushing to make emergency contraception an over-
the-counter product, like Tylenol or Sudafed.

We're convinced that if emergency contraception was more available
and utilized, at least half of [American] abortions could be
prevented, says Dr. Thomas Purdon, president of the American College
of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. And since the whole abortion
issue is such a divisive and gut-wrenching issue for the U.S., we'd
like to be a little more active.

But because emergency contraception can terminate a potential (or
actual, depending on your definition) pregnancy, it is anathema in
anti-abortion circles -- and they're trying to stop it.

Last month, Senator Jesse Helms, R-N.C., sponsored an amendment to
the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which would withhold
funding to school-based healthcare centers if doctors in those
centers distribute emergency contraception to teens without their
parents' permission. The amendment was never brought to the floor,
but Helms is expected to try again. And in San Bernardino County in
Southern California, the local board of supervisors is trying to
prevent county public health agencies from distributing emergency
contraception to women of any age.

Other anti-abortion organizations blast emergency contraception as
unsafe and immoral. 'Emergency contraception' is actually a
misnomer, because the pill can actually serve as an abortion-inducing
drug, claims Heather Cirno, 

Re: [CTRL] FC: U.K. bans publication of info on toddler's killers -- forever (fwd)

[Jenny Decker]

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These two scum deserve NOTHING in the way of Britain's resources.  The
reaction of the British public should tell you what justice really is. Kill
'em now, and bill their families for the price of the executions.Also, bill
their families for the monthly expenses of the murdered boy's parents for
the REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Jenny
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Subject: [CTRL] FC: U.K. bans publication of info on toddler's killers --
forever (fwd)


 -Caveat Lector-

 [Summary: Two boys who murdered a 2-year old tot when they were 10 years
 old are now 18 years old and about to be given new identities by the
Crown.
 To protect them from attempts at revenge, the government has permanently
 banned the publication of any info about their new identities -- which
 creates a problem, since photos of them are apparently available and could
 circulate online. Originally they were convicted to 15 years in prison,
but
 are now have to be released because of a ruling by the European Court of
 Human Rights. --DBM]

 ---

 http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=83688
 Lives of falsehood and fear await killers
 2001-06-23 03:28:10

 It would be illegal for media in England and Wales to identify them but
the
 courts would struggle to prevent details of their new lives being posted
on
 the Internet. An up-to-date photograph of one of them is already said to
be
 circulating in Merseyside and may be posted on a website. If either boys
 new circumstances are made known, the process of building a new identity
 will have to be carried out again, at yet more expense.

 ---


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010623/wl/crime_britain_breach_dc_1.html
 UK Probes Possible Bulger Murder Identity Breach
 2001-06-23 05:11:10

 ``The attention of the attorney general has been drawn to an article in
 today's Manchester Evening News, which appears to be in breach of the
 injunction granted by the High Court on 8 January 2001, as it contains
 information which might lead to the identification of the present
 whereabouts of John Venables and Robert Thompson,'' a statement said.
``The
 attorney general is considering as a matter of urgency whether it would be
 appropriate to issue proceedings for contempt in the light of this.'' If
 contempt of court proceedings go ahead, the Manchester Evening News could
 face an unlimited fine and its editor could be jailed.

 ---

 http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=83773
 Pair may cost the British taxpayer £5 million
 2001-06-23 03:28:11

 Thompson and Venables will be monitored by probation officers for the rest
 of their lives, adding to the cost of the operation. There have also been
 reports that they will have special phone links to police stations in case
 of vigilante attack.

 ---

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/newsid_1403000/1403867.stm
 Paper denies 'breach' of Bulger order
 2001-06-23 04:10:05

 A newspaper has denied knowingly breaching an injunction preventing the
 publication of details about James Bulger's killers. The Manchester
Evening
 News is in talks with the Attorney General after it published information
 on the whereabouts of Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.

 ---

 http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13803902
 BULGER KILLERS GO ON HOLS
 2001-06-23 03:28:11

 Earlier this week it emerged that £1.5million has been spent creating new
 identities for the boys. Both teenagers and their families have been given
 new names, birth certificates, passports and National Insurance numbers.
 They will also get fully-fitted £65,000 homes with the £270-a-week rent
 paid. On top of that they are in line for free cars, credit cards, police
 protection and cash handouts for the rest of their lives - all paid for by
 taxpayers.

 ---

 http://www.latimes.com/print/asection/20010623/t51931.html
 Student Killers of Boy, 2, Paroled
 2001-06-23 07:28:47
 Fearing attack, the teens won a High Court injunction protecting their new
 identities and prohibiting the British media from publicizing any
 photographs of them taken since the time of the murder or any details of
 their new lives that might lead to their being recognized.

 ---


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?f=/stories/20010623/599892
.html
 Toddler's murderers to be freed
 2001-06-23 05:45:06

 The privacy decision in the Bulger case was opposed by some free-speech
 advocates, who argued it stifled the media's ability to report the news,
 and by members of victims' rights groups, who say the killers were being
 granted unusual privileges. They should take their chances on the streets
 like every other murderer who is released, said Dee Warner, a spokeswoman
 for Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, a lobbying group.

 ---

 http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/06/23/bulger.paper/index.html
 Bulger injunction breach investigated
 2001-06-22 23:40:05

 News of the publication of details, which were also 

[CTRL] Slavery in Europe: Women and young girls sold in auctions (fwd)

[Yardbird]

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TRAFFICKING IN WOMEN REACHES NEW HEIGHTS IN EUROPE

Foreign Affairs News Keywords: PROSTITUTION, ALBANIANS
Source: Frankferter Rundschau online
Published: 4-9-2001 Author: Hans-Hagen Bremer
Posted on 04/10/2001 00:21:57 PDT by robbinsj

Young Albanians forced into prostitution tell of their sorry plight By
Hans-Hagen Bremer Paris - Albanian women told a committee of the Council
of Europe meeting in Paris on Monday grim tales of being auctioned off
like cattle and of enduring brutal psychological pressure designed break
them, to turn them into uncomplaining prostitutes.

They are auctioned off like animals. If they're blonde and pretty, the
bids are higher. Then they're trained for their future trade. They're
raped, tortured and psychologically broken until they submit. It's a real
slave market, said Briseida Mema, describing the techniques Albanian
pimps use on women to supply western Europe with prostitutes. Mema belongs
to the Independent Forum of Albanian Women.

Also invited to the hearing on the burgeoning trade in women and their
sexual enslavement were parliamentarians, police specialists and
representatives of private aid organisations, including a number from
eastern Europe. The camps where the women are inducted into the sex
industry also exist in countries of the former Yugoslavia.

Calls for classifying trafficking in women as a crime against humanity
have been growing stronger recently. According to Socialist MP Lydie Err
of Luxembourg, it represents a new type of crime against humanity which
remains relatively unpunished. Where charges are filed, he says, they
often result in sentences and fines below those imposed on dealers in
drugs and arms.

Fearing revenge attacks by their tormentors, many women who have escaped
from prostitution withdrew their agreement to publicly address the
committee.

Philippe Boudin, director of the French Committee Against Modern Slavery,
puts the number of non-EU women forced into prostitution in the European
Union since the collapse of communism in 1989 at 500,000 to 600,000. Every
year, another 120,000 or so join their sorry ranks.

For the traffickers and pimps, business is booming, says Don Cesare
Lodeserto, head of the Regina Pacis womens' shelter in Lecce, Italy. The
introduction of the euro has only boosted earnings.

Experts at the United Nations put turnover in the global sex-slave trade
at seven to 13 billion dollars.

The EU declared war on the illegal trade in women back in 1999.

Several directives aimed at harmonising and stiffening relevant laws are
currently being examined by the council of ministers. As yet, none has
been passed into law.

So far, only Belgium and Italy have declared the trafficking of women for
the prostitution industry as a crime and taken steps to provide help to
victims of ruthless gangs of human traffickers. In Belgium, for example,
escaped women can assume a new identity if they wish.


More interesting articles about real slavery in Europe in these short
articles: http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/ukraine/slavebosnia.htm
'Slave trade' thrives in Bosnia High unemployment makes women easy prey

Thursday, 8 March, 2001

By Michael Voss in Bosnia





Bosnia has become the centre of a modern day version of the slave trade.
The authorities believe that many of the warlords and paramilitaries
responsible for the bloodshed of the Balkan wars have now turned their
attention to organised crime and trafficking.

Young women are lured from the poorest regions of Europe with promises of
work in the West, then sold like cattle and forced into prostitution.
International police forces are trying to stop the trade, but most
traffickers escape unpunished.

Many young women change hands in secretive deals at a market in rural
Bosnia near the borders with Serbia and Croatia. Arizona market is one of
the biggest black markets in Europe. Operating from row upon row of wooden
huts, traders sell everything from carpets to washing machines and bootleg
CDs to counterfeit designer-label clothes.

Mara Radovanovic works with a local women's group helping victims of the
trafficking. When traders come they order the girls to take off all their
clothes and they are standingin the road naked: They are exposed to be
chosen just like cattle. Victimless crime?

From Arizona market the women are sold to the night clubs and brothels
which have sprung up all over Bosnia. Their customers are a mix of locals
and foreign soldiers serving with the Nato-led peacekeeping force.

Douglas Coffman, the United Nations spokesman in Bosnia, says that too
many people here believe that going to brothels and supporting
prostitution is really a victimless crime. They think that the girls are
willing and want to make money because of the tough circumstances back
home, he says. The fact is many of these women are victims of human
trafficking. They have 

[CTRL] 7.9 quake hits Peru, fulfills prediction for solar eclipse

[Jenny Decker]

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Peru-Earthquake.html

June 24, 2001


Quake Kills at Least 47 in Peru

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


Filed at 9:16 a.m. ET


LIMA, Peru (AP) -- President Valentin Paniagua flew over southern Peru on
Sunday, surveying damage from an earthquake that killed at least 47 people,
injured hundreds and left thousands camped out overnight in parks and
streets.

``We can say, gladly, that the physical damage to Arequipa and its
surrounding area is not so grave, but we still do not know what we are going
to see when we get over Moquegua,'' Health Minister Eduardo Pretell told
radio station Radioprogramas from a helicopter, where he was observing the
region with Paniagua.

President-elect Alejandro Toledo postponed a visit to the United States that
was set for Sunday and instead planned to fly to the colonial city of
Arequipa, 465 miles southeast of Lima, the capital. He takes office July 28.

The 7.9-magnitude quake shook the region for more than a minute Saturday
afternoon, toppling churches, buildings and homes and damaging one of
Arequipa's oldest cathedrals.

The powerful quake rattled residents in Lima and was felt in Boliva, 260
miles east of the epicenter, and in Chile, 225 miles southeast.

``For the love of God, please send help,'' a woman could be heard screaming
while a radio reporter described the destruction in the city of Moquegua,
southwest of Arequipa. Sixteen people were killed and 50 injured there.

At least 21 people were killed in Arequipa, Peru's second-largest city with
a population of 1 million, said Santiago Montenegro of Peru's Civil Defense
Institute.

Nine people were killed in Tacna, near the border with Chile, he said. Some
200 injured were being treated at a soccer field-turned-treatment center,
Tacna Mayor Luis Torres said.

In the small coastal town of Camana, 455 miles southeast of Lima, one person
was killed and 39 injured, a hospital official said. At least 30 people were
injured in northern Chile, four seriously, the government said.

The earthquake measured magnitude 7.9 and was centered off Peru's Pacific
coast, 120 miles west of Arequipa, according to the U.S. Geological Survey's
National Earthquake Information Center in Golden, Colo. Peru's Geophysical
Institute put the quake at magnitude 6.9 in Arequipa. The difference could
not be explained.

At least 20 aftershocks were registered in the area. Hundreds of people,
fearful of aftershocks, camped out in parks and in the streets of Arequipa
overnight, radio reports said, despite temperatures hovering as low as 41
degrees. Arequipa, where it is midwinter, lies 7,670 feet above sea level.

Two cargo planes stocked with 22 tons of food, blankets and medicine were on
their way aboard one of the flights, Peru's Civil Defense said.

Reports said the quake destroyed dozens of homes and damaged Arequipa's
imposing cathedral, first constructed in 1656 but rebuilt after an
earthquake in 1868. Television footage showed large chunks of stonework
crumbled away on one of the elaborate steeples. The other steeple had fallen
over.

Arequipa, founded by Spanish conquerors in 1540, has a long history of
devastating earthquakes. The city was destroyed by an earthquake in 1600.

Despite major earthquakes in 1687, 1868, 1958 and 1960, many 17th- and
18th-century buildings -- built from light-colored volcanic rock -- have
survived. Known as ``the white city,'' Arequipa was declared a UNESCO World
Heritage Site last year.

In Chile, the city hardest hit by Saturday's quake was Arica, 1,250 miles
north of Santiago, the capital. Some houses were damaged, and electricity
and telephone services were interrupted, said Emergency Office spokeswoman
Carmen Fernandez.

Peru is intermittently shaken by earthquakes, and was battered by a
7.7-magnitude temblor in May 31, 1970, that killed approximately 70,000
people.

On November 12, 1996, 17 people were killed and some 1,500 injured in a
7.7-magnitude quake that struck Nazca. On May 30, 1990, 137 people were
killed in a 6.3-magnitude quake in northern Peru.

A quake with a magnitude of 7 or more is capable of heavy and widespread
damage.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Peru-Earthquake.html

See geologist Jim Berkland's site for record of predictions:

http://www.syzygyjob.org/syzygy/index.shtml

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[CTRL] Intifada Gives Cover to Arafat's Graft and Fraud

[Nurev Ind.]

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Intifada Gives Cover to Arafat's Graft and Fraud

By Rachel Ehrenfeld

www.insightmag.com June 22, 2001

Foreign leaders applauded President George W. Bush's call for greater
transparency in governance in written remarks to the Global Forum on
Fighting Corruption held in The Hague on May 28. What remains to be seen is
how the Bush administration addresses the appalling corruption of Yasser
Arafat and the Palestinian Authority (PA).

It is evident that Arafat holds the key to the funds that keep the PA and
himself in business. While CIA Director George Tenet negotiated with
Arafat,
American tax dollars continued to flow into Arafat's private coffers to the
tune of at least $75 million annually since 1994, according to the
Congressional Research Service Report to Congress on April 17, 2001.
Arafat,
in sustained and well-documented instances of corruption, systematically
has
skimmed off portions of these funds, as he has with monies given to him on
behalf of refugees in the camps. Amazingly, Arafat still elicits trust,
recognition and sympathy from most world leaders.

The personal wealth of Arafat and his inner circle has not gone unnoticed
by
the Palestinian masses. Rapidly growing, highly visible social disparity in
the territories under Arafat's rule - rows of ostentatious villas and
late-model Mercedes-Benz automobiles for Arafat's cronies, while most
Palestinians live in dismal conditions - began to threaten his leadership.
It brought demonstrators against Arafat to the streets of Gaza and even
prompted his wife, Suha, on Feb. 4, 1999, to try to shift the blame,
saying:
'I've told him over and again to get rid of these people who build private
palaces next to refugee camps before it is too late,' according to the
Jerusalem Post.

The PA has admitted that the current intifada, or uprising, was instigated
and planned by Arafat last July, following the failed summit at Camp David.
In light of current events, no one can dispute that Arafat holds the key to
the violence in the West Bank and Gaza.
Igniting the latest intifada has enabled Arafat to portray the economic
decline in the territories as 'sacrifices' needed to mobilize against the
'Zionist enemy.' Thus, he was able to divert attention from the corruption
that he shares with his friends at the helm of the PA. To further hide this
corruption, Arafat ordered the kidnapping of Jawar al-Rusien, the PLO's
former trusted accountant, who had had a falling out with Arafat. On April
20, al-Rusien was kidnapped by armed men from his home in Abu Dhabi in the
United Arab Emirates and flown handcuffed on Arafat's plane to Gaza. His
whereabouts were unknown until recently, when Arafat's aides admitted
holding him 'because he failed to return money he borrowed,' according to
the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Aharonot.

Long before the Oslo accord, in 1990 the CIA estimated that the PLO had
between $8 billion and $14 billion worth of assets generated from a 5
percent tax on every Palestinian working in Arab countries. However,
according to a 1993 British National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS)
report published on the eve of the famous 'handshake' on the White House
lawn, most of the PLO's assets originated from 'donations, extortion,
payoffs, illegal arms dealing, drug trafficking, money laundering, fraud,
etc.'

A little-noticed report by the London Daily Telegraph on Dec. 6, 1999,
revealed that computer hackers had broken the security code of the PLO's
computer system. The hackers discovered records of about $8 billion the PLO
held in numbered bank accounts in New York City, Geneva and Zurich. In
addition, it held smaller secret accounts in North Africa, Europe and Asia.

The paper went on to report that the records obtained showed the PLO
secretly owned shares in the Tokyo and Paris stock exchanges, and expensive
real estate in London, Paris and other European capitals. They listed
companies that fronted for the PLO, stocks the PLO held in Mercedes-Benz,
shares in the national airlines of the Maldives and Guinea-Bissau, and
other
holdings of about $50 billion for the year 2000 (up from $32 billion in
1998). Yet, Arafat and the leadership of the PA continue to claim poverty.

But now we have legal tools to set the record straight. U.S. Treasury
official R. Richard Newcomb told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee on
May
10 that the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control can
prohibit or regulate commercial or financial transactions involving
specific
foreign countries, entities and individuals engaged in terrorism, drug
trafficking and money laundering.

There can be little doubt that Arafat's corruption represents punishable
crimes. Even without the force of the U.N. Convention Against Transnational
Organized Crime (which has yet to be implemented), legal authority exists
within the U.S. Criminal Code for indictment and prosecution of Arafat for
participation in an organized criminal group, money laundering, corruption
and 

[CTRL] British slaughter of animals defied expert advice to government

[Jenny Decker]

-Caveat Lector-

Revealed: the needless slaughter of 2m animals

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=79866

Top Government adviser speaks out on cull: 'Common sense totally suspended'
: Ministers alerted to wrong policy in March

By Robert Mendick and Geoffrey Lean
24 June 2001

Ministers ordered the slaughter of up to two million healthy animals despite
being told by their leading foot and mouth expert that the killing was not
needed to control the disease.

They went ahead with the cull on uninfected farms near outbreaks even though
they were told by a leading scientist at the Institute of Animal Health that
the scientific basis for it was a total suspension of common sense.

Officials now admit that some of the assumptions that led to the cull may
have been wrong. But at the time, says Dr Paul Kitching – then head of foot
and mouth at the institute's Pirbright Laboratory, the world's leading
centre for research on the disease – his objections were ignored.

His revelations are bound to reignite the row over the scale of the
slaughter. Nick Brown, the then Agriculture Minister, insisted that his
every move was guided by the best scientific advice.

Environmentalists and some farmers' leaders have denounced the cull, but
ministers retort that it has worked in bringing down the number of
outbreaks.

The new Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) says
it has no idea how many animals have been killed in the contiguous cull
stretching up to 3km from each infected farm. But it is well over one
million; estimates range up to two million.

The cull began in the last week of March, after scientific models predicted
that the disease would run out of control for many months, causing alarm in
Downing Street.

Dr Kitching told the Independent on Sunday yesterday that he met Mr Brown
and Baroness Hayman, a junior agriculture minister, on 29 March and told
them that the models were wrong. In early April, he added, he told the
interdepartmental science committee on the disease – headed by the
Government's Chief Scientist, Professor David King – that the contiguous
cull was unnecessary on the scale at which it occurred.

Dr Kitching – now the director of the Canadian Government's Foreign Animal
Disease Laboratory in Winnipeg – visited South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to
study outbreaks caused by the same strain of the virus last year, and had
begun experiments on it when the British epidemic was first discovered.

The research showed that the virus spread on the wind very much less than
had been supposed. This was confirmed in a paper in May by Prof Alex
Donaldson, the head of Pirbright, and three other scientists, which
concluded that the virus was unlikely to be carried even 200 yards in
sufficient quantities to infect other herds.

Dr Kitching said yesterday that Taiwan had worked out that for this strain
there was no need for a contiguous cull. Other nations, such as Japan and
South Korea, had also controlled foot and mouth without resorting to it.

But Prof Roy Anderson, of Imperial College, who led one of the groups that
produced the models, said that Dr Kitching's had been a lone voice when he
put his views to the science committee. He said that the extent to which the
virus was carried on the wind was irrelevant as epidemiologists looked at
how much it spread in practice, by whatever means.

Defra admitted that the airborne spread may prove to be less than
originally thought in some of the models but added that the effect was the
same because there had been greater transmission through poor
bio-security.

Senior ministry sources believe that the Government had no option but to
order the contiguous cull once faced with the models' predictions, and point
out that it has succeeded in dramatically bringing down the rate of
infection.

But Dr Kitching retorts: You could argue that if you slaughtered every
susceptible animal in the country you would get rid of it overnight. The
argument was: how much culling do you need?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=79866


Jenny Decker

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Re: [CTRL] British slaughter of animals defied expert advice to government

[Andrew Hennessey]

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This has simply wiped out the rural economy making
the UK more dependent on Europe -
a very pro-european initiative [imo] and the UK are being urged to unite
with the euro and increase integration

andrew
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 Revealed: the needless slaughter of 2m animals

 http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=79866

 Top Government adviser speaks out on cull: 'Common sense totally
suspended'
 : Ministers alerted to wrong policy in March

 By Robert Mendick and Geoffrey Lean
 24 June 2001

 Ministers ordered the slaughter of up to two million healthy animals
despite
 being told by their leading foot and mouth expert that the killing was not
 needed to control the disease.

 They went ahead with the cull on uninfected farms near outbreaks even
though
 they were told by a leading scientist at the Institute of Animal Health
that
 the scientific basis for it was a total suspension of common sense.

 Officials now admit that some of the assumptions that led to the cull may
 have been wrong. But at the time, says Dr Paul Kitching – then head of
foot
 and mouth at the institute's Pirbright Laboratory, the world's leading
 centre for research on the disease – his objections were ignored.

 His revelations are bound to reignite the row over the scale of the
 slaughter. Nick Brown, the then Agriculture Minister, insisted that his
 every move was guided by the best scientific advice.

 Environmentalists and some farmers' leaders have denounced the cull, but
 ministers retort that it has worked in bringing down the number of
 outbreaks.

 The new Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)
says
 it has no idea how many animals have been killed in the contiguous
cull
 stretching up to 3km from each infected farm. But it is well over one
 million; estimates range up to two million.

 The cull began in the last week of March, after scientific models
predicted
 that the disease would run out of control for many months, causing alarm
in
 Downing Street.

 Dr Kitching told the Independent on Sunday yesterday that he met Mr Brown
 and Baroness Hayman, a junior agriculture minister, on 29 March and told
 them that the models were wrong. In early April, he added, he told the
 interdepartmental science committee on the disease – headed by the
 Government's Chief Scientist, Professor David King – that the contiguous
 cull was unnecessary on the scale at which it occurred.

 Dr Kitching – now the director of the Canadian Government's Foreign Animal
 Disease Laboratory in Winnipeg – visited South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to
 study outbreaks caused by the same strain of the virus last year, and had
 begun experiments on it when the British epidemic was first discovered.

 The research showed that the virus spread on the wind very much less than
 had been supposed. This was confirmed in a paper in May by Prof Alex
 Donaldson, the head of Pirbright, and three other scientists, which
 concluded that the virus was unlikely to be carried even 200 yards in
 sufficient quantities to infect other herds.

 Dr Kitching said yesterday that Taiwan had worked out that for this
strain
 there was no need for a contiguous cull. Other nations, such as Japan and
 South Korea, had also controlled foot and mouth without resorting to it.

 But Prof Roy Anderson, of Imperial College, who led one of the groups that
 produced the models, said that Dr Kitching's had been a lone voice when
he
 put his views to the science committee. He said that the extent to which
the
 virus was carried on the wind was irrelevant as epidemiologists looked
at
 how much it spread in practice, by whatever means.

 Defra admitted that the airborne spread may prove to be less than
 originally thought in some of the models but added that the effect was
the
 same because there had been greater transmission through poor
 bio-security.

 Senior ministry sources believe that the Government had no option but to
 order the contiguous cull once faced with the models' predictions, and
point
 out that it has succeeded in dramatically bringing down the rate of
 infection.

 But Dr Kitching retorts: You could argue that if you slaughtered every
 susceptible animal in the country you would get rid of it overnight. The
 argument was: how much culling do you need?

 http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=79866


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Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Tenorlove wrote:
If I ever figure out how to get it to scan correctly, I'll send the
ultrasound of my youngest, taken at 8 weeks. No mistaking him for any
other creature than human.


--- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Embryos are not humans. Or even fetuses. There is no moral issue.


At 8 weeks gestation, your youngest was a fetus, not an embryo; Nurev's
observation stands.



June

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Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

[Nurev Ind.]

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 Besides, if my son doesn't have lungs, how could he be hollering to his
 brother at this very moment? And his best friend (age 6) has a
 brain-stem tumor that has left him in a wheelchair, unable to eat
 without a feeding tube or breathe without a tracheotomy. Is he less
 than human?


Are you being intentionally dense?

We are not talking about your son or anyone who was born alive.
We are talking about EMBRYOS!!! EMBRYOS

An embryo is NOT a HUMAN, just like an EGG is not a CHICKEN.
GET IT??? Go to you refrigerator and take out an egg and a chicken
and hold one in each hand so that you will get the point.

Stop personalizing this. This is simple biology.

A human embryo is not a human being. A chicken egg is not a chicken.
They are both potential representatives of their species IF THEY SURVIVE
THE GESTATION PERIOD AND ARE BORN ALIVE.

J2



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  Gee, when will you get to the part that says they aren't human
  because they
  don't have blond hair and blue eyes and speak German?  Or maybe they
  aren't
  human if they aren't productive?  Or maybe they aren't human if
  the skin
  color and religions are wrong?  Oh no, of course you wouldn't.  That
  isn't
  politically correct...yet.
 
  You say: He doesn't have lungs. He doesn't have other human organs.
  He
  doesn't have a brain. He doesn't have vocal chords.
 
  A family member is in the hospital, having trouble with his lungs and
  I am
  having problems with doctors who have no respect for his life.   The
  mute may
  have less than perfect vocal cords.  Are they less than human?


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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible ...

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 Where do you people get the audacity to point fingers at ANYBODY while
 supporting the PLO and Yassir Arafat. What astonishing hypocrisy. Even from
 Liberals.

 Joshua2

It is not a matter of supporting the PLO and Arafat.
The reality is that the West Bank / Gaza situation is essentially
one of Neo European Colonialism.

Since WWII there have been countless wars of National Liberation.

These wars of national liberation are very brutal wars where terrorism is the
most effective and common weapon - for both sides. Terrorist bombings
by insurgents; airplane bombings by the superior military side. Torture
is de rigueur by those seeking to oppress the insurgents.

Algeria, Kenya, Viet Nam, Rhodesia, South Africa come readily to mind.
Of course Israel itself was birthed through terrorism.

Few observers supported the terrorist tactics of the insurgents or the
status quo. As J2 points out - such is the reality of brutual conflicts -
and the side with the highest pain tolerance usually prevails.
Generally those with less to lose and the higher birth rate will
win.

Will the Palestinians outsuffer the Israelis? As the Israelis assume
a traditional European / American standard of living with all that
entails such as glorifying a lifestyle that abhors inconvenience and
demands instant gratification (much like the traditional colonialists living
in their colonialist bubble) they paradoxically become weaker. For
example it is now common for young Israelis to dodge the draft which
was almost unheard of in the past.

The more squalid the Palestinian's conditions become - the stronger they
become in terms of this conflict.

Perhaps the closest to the Palestinian / Israeli situation is South Africa.

It is clear that Israel's long term plan is an Apartheid State. Only an
Israeli Apartheid State could possibly survive demographic reality
assuming Israel insists on remaining a Theocratic ethnically pure
political entity.

Clearly just as in South Africa, Apartheid is a losing game.
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Re: [CTRL] Killer Mom's Meds

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Andrea Yates had taken a number of anti-depressant and anti-psychotic
medications since the birth of her fourth child in 1999, the same year
she attempted suicide.

[snip]

Although Mrs. Yates has not said why she drowned her five children, her
husband said he believes her depression played a major role. She wasn't
in the right frame of mind, he said.


I suspect there was a lot more going on with this woman than the supposed
'post-partum depression' she's alleged to have sufferend.

True post-partum depression only lasts a few weeks after the birth of a
child, and doesn't call for the prescribing of anti-psychotic meds.

I suspect the diagnosis of post-partum depression was something the
husband and the rest of the family found acceptable, rather than spending
the time and effort in trying to determine the real cause of this woman's
psychic angst...

I haven't read anywhere that this woman underwent COUNSELING at any
time...only that her doctors continued to throw one psychotropic med
after another at her...


Mr. Yates said medication his wife took after the birth of their fourth
child did not work as well after the birth of their fifth, six months ago.
When her father died, he said, her condition worsened.

Which should have been a red flag that she was suffering from something
more than 'post-partum depression'...but again, it would seem that this
family rather preferred to sweep the real problem under a rug instead of
addressing it head on...



June

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Streisand: Energy Conservation for Thee but Not for Me

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I love BaBa Streisand.

Because of her I keep in shape.

Everytime my wife plays her obnoxious, nasally braying
music I flee for the outdoors - jogging as far and and
fast as I can.
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[CTRL] European foreign ministers fear Macedonia meltdown

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European foreign ministers fear Macedonia meltdown

 
BRUSSELS, June 24 (Reuters) - European Union foreign ministers meet on Monday
facing an intractable crisis in Macedonia -- newly wrested from the brink of
disaster by EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana but still highly volatile.

Talks were stalled between ethnic Albanian and Macedonian leaders on a peace
plan to end a five-month-old insurrection by Albanian guerrillas. But Solana
on Sunday coaxed the Macedonian Army back to a truce, stopping a three-day
offensive.

"Political dialogue should now continue," he told reporters in Skopje after
fighting stopped in nearby Aracinovo. But this is what the EU and NATO have
been urging since March, without concrete results.

EU ministers still have ample cause for alarm. The peace deal they had
insisted on seeing by Monday looked unlikely to materialise on time, wrecking
their mediation timetable.

The EU has made much of the benefits Macedonia could expect to reap as a
potential candidate for membership of the bloc if it establishes stable,
multi-ethnic democracy.

But it has been reluctant to spell out the consequences of failure, partly
because it has no obvious way of coercing a deal that would not, potentially,
make the problem worse.

The United States, which brokered a peace deal in Bosnia and came close to
one in Kosovo, keeps a lower profile in Macedonia, although Washington has
joined EU appeals to resume talks.

Macedonia's president or prime minister, together with the main ethnic party
leaders, had been due to join the EU ministers in Luxembourg to present their
peace plan, partly crafted with EU and NATO advice.

But Solana has for now agreed that Foreign Minister Ilinka Mitreva alone
should represent the country -- a change suggesting there could be little
progress to report.

Western powers are pressing Macedonia to cede equal rights to the large
ethnic Albanian minority. But the Albanians are demanding veto rights -- seen
by Skopje as the death knell of effective government and the road to
partition.

Diplomats fear if fighting does not stop long enough to permit progress on
the political front, wider rebel attacks may propel the country into all-out
war.

The EU ministers were expected to appoint, for a limited period, a special,
resident envoy to Macedonia; a name mentioned is former French defence
minister Francois Leotard.

They were also due to discuss Yugoslavia's new decree permitting the
extradition of war crimes suspects such as ex-president Slobodan Milosevic,
and its possible impact on an aid donors' conference for Yugoslavia next
Friday.

The United States has threatened to boycott this meeting, which is critical
to Yugoslavia's economic recovery, unless there is a concrete display of
readiness to cooperate with the U.N. war crimes tribunal in The Hague.

During the two-day regular meeting, Solana will also brief ministers on his
efforts to revive Middle East peace talks, following weekend talks with
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Re: [CTRL] NM: Streisand: Energy Conservation for Thee but Not for Me

[Bill Howard]

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In a message dated 6/24/01 6:49:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 oh, and i thought it was the damn lefties who minced their words. if you

mean bullshit, then say bullshit and stop acting like a goddamned liberal. 

Wrong. A liberal would say Bull. I choose not to.

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Re: [CTRL] Killer Mom's Meds

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 Andrea Yates had taken a number of anti-depressant
 and anti-psychotic
 medications since the birth of her fourth child in
 1999, the same year
 she attempted suicide.

 [snip]

 Although Mrs. Yates has not said why she drowned
 her five children, her
 husband said he believes her depression played a
 major role. She wasn't
 in the right frame of mind, he said.


 I suspect there was a lot more going on with this
 woman than the supposed
 'post-partum depression' she's alleged to have
 sufferend.

 True post-partum depression only lasts a few weeks
 after the birth of a
 child, and doesn't call for the prescribing of
 anti-psychotic meds.

 I suspect the diagnosis of post-partum depression
 was something the
 husband and the rest of the family found acceptable,
 rather than spending
 the time and effort in trying to determine the real
 cause of this woman's
 psychic angst...

 I haven't read anywhere that this woman underwent
 COUNSELING at any
 time...only that her doctors continued to throw one
 psychotropic med
 after another at her...


 Mr. Yates said medication his wife took after the
 birth of their fourth
 child did not work as well after the birth of their
 fifth, six months ago.
 When her father died, he said, her condition
 worsened.

 Which should have been a red flag that she was
 suffering from something
 more than 'post-partum depression'...but again, it
 would seem that this
 family rather preferred to sweep the real problem
 under a rug instead of
 addressing it head on...



 June

I would like to know who many of you have a degree in
psychology and know this person personly.  Maybe what
her family is saying is the truth.  I am getting tried
of people seeing conspiracies in everything.

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Streisand: Energy Conservation for Thee but Not for Me

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In a message dated 6/24/01 7:56:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I love BaBa Streisand.


Because of her I keep in shape.


Everytime my wife plays her obnoxious, nasally braying

music I flee for the outdoors - jogging as far and and

fast as I can.

flw 

Good for you. You are truely a voice in the wilderness.

BHoward

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[CTRL] Fwd: Hague Conference Diplomatic Conference

[Kris Millegan]

   Hague Conference Threatens Entire Internet/Public Domain
   From James Carmody [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Random-bits digest, Vol 1 #252 - 6-21-1

  By James Love
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As the Hague Conference Diplomatic Conference Ends The Internet and
the Public Domain Are At Risk

INTRODUCTION

Today the Hague Conference on Private International Law will end
its first diplomatic conference on a new treaty to set the rules
for jurisdiction for nearly all commercial and civil litigation. In
a world where everyone is struggling to understand how to address
jurisdiction issues raised by the Internet, this new proposed
treaty imposes a bold set of rules that will profoundly change the
Internet, and not only that. As drafted, it will extend the reach
of every country's intellectual property laws, including those that
have nothing to do with the Internet.

What exactly does this new treaty seek to do? In a nutshell, it
will strangle the Internet with a suffocating blanket of
overlapping jurisdictional claims, expose every web page publisher
to liabilities for libel, defamation and other speech offenses from
virtually any country, effectively strip Internet Service Providers
of protections from litigation over the content they carry, give
business who sell or distribute goods and services the right to
dictate via contracts the countries where disputes will be resolved
and rights defended, and narrow the grounds under which countries
can protect individual consumer rights. It provides a mechanism to
greatly undermine national policies on the first sale doctrine,
potentially ending royalty free video rentals for corporate
entities with overseas assets, and it opens the door for cross
border enforcement of a wide range of intellectual property claims,
including new and novel rights that do not have broad international
acceptance. It will lead to a great reduction in freedom, shrink
the public domain, and diminish national sovereignty. And
practically no one knows anything about the treaty.

This proposed Hague treaty stands the tradition globalization
approach on its head. It does not impose global rules on
substantive laws -- countries are free to enact very different
national laws on commercial matters. The only treaty obligation is
that member countries follows rules on jurisdiction and agree to
enforce foreign judgments. Rather than a WTO or WIPO type approach
of harmonization of substantive policies, every country can march
to its own drummer. The treaty is about enforcing everyone's laws,
regardless of their content, and enforcing private contracts on
which national courts will resolve disputes. It is a treaty
framework that made some sense in a world of trade in pre-internet
goods and services that lend themselves to easy interpretation of
jurisdiction based upon physical activity. It is a treaty that
makes little sense when applied to information published on the
Internet, and more generally for intellectual property claims,
where one should not leap into cross border enforcement without
thinking.

THE HAGUE CONFERENCE ON PRIVATE INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Hague Conference on Private International Law is a little known
organization that held its first meetings in 1893, but did not have
a permanent status until 1951, and since then has adopted 34
international conventions, mostly on very narrow and often obscure
topics, such as the taking of evidence abroad, the form of
testamentary depositions, wills, traffic accidents, and several
dealing with children.

In 1965, the Hague Conference adopted a Convention on the choice of
court for civil litigation, but it only was endorsed by one country
-- Israel. The current effort is a renewed effort to deal with that
issue, and also the enforcement of judgments and other items, and
the scope is extremely wide -- nearly all civil and commercial
litigation. It is, without a doubt, the most ambitious project
undertaken by Convention, and the Secretariat and the member
country delegates are anxious to establish the Conference as a
major league actor in the rapidly changing global political
economy. Despite its grand ambition, the Hague Conference
secretariat is tiny, about a dozen according to a FAQ on its web
page. The small size and low profile of the Hague Conference has
allowed this treaty, which has enormous significance, to go
virtually undetected, even though it is has been in discussions
since 1992.

POLITICS OF THE CONVENTION

The official version of this particular convention on jurisdiction
and enforcement of foreign judgments is that in 1992 the US began
seeking ways to obtain more equitable treatment of the enforcement
of judgments from commercial and civil litigation, and was willing
to cut back on some aspects of US long arm jurisdiction to do so.
In the beginning, none of the negotiators were thinking 

[CTRL] Bush, Abortion and Racial Eugenics: The Real Story

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.gvny.com/columns/lederman/lederman01-12-01.html
Click Here: A
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Bush, Abortion and Racial Eugenics: The Real Story

as Lincoln wrong when he said you can't fool all the people all the time? In
an election with more tricks than a three card  monte game, the biggest trick
of all may have been getting  millions of pro-lifers to vote for GW Bush - a
candidate whose  family has been in the vanguard of the pro-abortion and
eugenics movements since the early years of the 20th Century.
Pro-choice or pro-life, there's bad news in store from this  administration
for living things generally. GW Bush's appointment of pro-life advocate John
Ashcroft as Attorney  General is intended to divert attention from this
administration's eugenics-based population control agenda.
Many of the corporate-funded right-wing foundations  promoting family values
in America -which are the sponsors of  GW Bush and virtually all of his
cabinet nominees - are advocates of eugenics, or as it is variously known,
population  control or scientific racism. The true picture of their own and
the Bush families' views on abortion and race - and of their  direct links to
groups like Planned Parenthood - is one of the least reported on news stories
of the past few decades.
At the dawn of the Twentieth Century American industrialists became alarmed
at the rate of population growth among minorities and the poor. Millions of
immigrants were arriving each year in America, dramatically changing the
racial and ethnic profile of this nation. At the same time, southern Blacks
were migrating north in unprecedented numbers.
Fearful of the emerging union and social rights movements, of minorities
vastly outnumbering white Americans or of a Marxist revolution, these
industrialists saw eugenics as the solution. Men like Rockefeller, Henry
Ford, Andrew Carnegie, JP Morgan, Andrew Mellon, Averell Harriman, the
Pioneer Fund's General W. Draper and Prescott Bush began funding a movement
to promote abortion, sterilization and euthanasia as a means of addressing
this emerging problem.
Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, was a driving force in the
eugenics movement. [For some incredibly racist quotes about blacks and Jews
from Sanger's eugenics publication, Birth Control Review, see
http://www.hli.org/issues/pp/bcreview/index.html  ].
The Harriman family, Prescott Bush's Wall Street partners in financing Nazi
Germany, built the Eugenics Records Office at Cold Springs Harbor NY-which is
today the site for the eugenics-based Human Genome Project. [The Bush family
fortune came from the Third Reich...the Rockefellers had financial
connections to Nazi Germany. -John Loftus, former US Justice Dept. Nazi War
Crimes investigator and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum quoted in
the Sarasota Herald-Tribune 11/11/2000
http://www.newscoast.com/headlinesstory2.
Eugenics advocates present themselves as nobly trying to improve the human
race by culling out undesirable traits like low IQ or genetic disease but
there has been nothing noble about the history of eugenics. While eugenics in
the Third Reich focused on killing Jews, Gypsies, the mentally ill and the
disabled, the targets for genetic improvement, sterilization or elimination
in America have been African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos and the
poor.
From their Wall Street offices these same wealthy industrialists provided the
financial basis for the Third Reich and what they hoped would become a
worldwide corporate-fascism [See: The GW Bush Gang: IG Farben 2001
http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/  ] .
At the same time in the U.S. they were able to use their influence to get 25
States to pass eugenics laws. Hitler proudly claimed he based his racial laws
directly on the parallel American eugenics movement. [See:
http://vector.cshl.org/eugenics.html  ].
The clearinghouse for the eugenics philosophy in America has been the Pioneer
Fund, started in 1937 by General W. Draper.  After helping build the Third
Reich with his Wall Street friends  Prescott Bush, Allen Dulles and Averell
Harriman, Draper was appointed Undersecretary of the Army following WWII and
placed in charge of the economic reconstruction of Germany.
To give a sense of the extent to which these industrialists played both sides
in WWII - with the full knowledge and support of the U.S. government - none
of the IG Farben factories or the Ford, GM, ITT or Alcoa factories owned by
American industrialists in Nazi Germany were bombed during the war despite
being the industrial base of the Nazi war effort [see: The Secret War Against
the Jews, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons; Trading with the Enemy by Charles
Higham, 1983; The Splendid Blond Beast: Money Law and Genocide in the
Twentieth Century by Christopher Simpson, 1993; Blowback, by Christopher
Simpson; OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN 

Re: [CTRL] Racism Among Some Jewish Intellectuals

[Michael Pugliese]

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Hitler was said to be Jewish...
And he had one ball, too!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Hitler+Jewish%3Fhl=ensafe=active

- Original Message -
From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Racism Among Some Jewish Intellectuals


 -Caveat Lector-

 Foote is an old family name Bill; is English, but never heard of a Foote
 that was Jewish.

 One was Skull and Bones and another you find his name in history books -
 headed Michigan Calvary Regiment and married into Blanchrd Family after
 which Blanchard River was named.

 Were Episcopalean?   Foote is not jewish name?

 Nice article Bill - maybe someday someone will really wonder why the
 Nazi Insiders consisted of homosexuals and Hitler was said to be Jewish;
 for none looked like Nordic Gods (as do my chldren with their blue eyes
 and blonde hair)..doubt that bunch was even German - we know Hitler
 was Austrian and used three different names - like Arien Sharon and Ehud
 Barak - these are phoney names too and I understand in Israel you no
 longer can steal names from the bible, for obvious reasons - a right to
 return?

 So much for Foote - but that is a family name and of course they date
 back beyond the Revolutionary War in this country.

 saba

 What is in a name, a rose by any other name might be a clone?


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Re: [CTRL] Killer Mom's Meds

[Jenny Decker]

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 Andrea Yates had taken a number of anti-depressant and anti-psychotic
 medications since the birth of her fourth child in 1999, the same year
 she attempted suicide.

Were these medications prescribed by her NASA-employed physician?


 [snip]

 Although Mrs. Yates has not said why she drowned her five children, her
 husband said he believes her depression played a major role. She wasn't
 in the right frame of mind, he said.


 I suspect there was a lot more going on with this woman than the supposed
 'post-partum depression' she's alleged to have sufferend.

Absolutely, and with a lot of other killers whose murders produce political
results.
Jenny

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Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

[Xxx Yyy]

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J2,
Your arrogance matches that of those in the SS and your ignorance matches
that of any who will not learn from studying history.  Do read a few books
dealing with the history of the early eugenics movement, note how these
positions coincided with the Darwinian view of cultures, read the book Modern
Fascism  by Gene Veith and then understand that not everyone is taken in by
the slicksters of the population control movement with their definitions of
who is human.

My son says you won't get the above comment because you are probably a 14
year old with too much time on his hands.  If this is the case, I apologize
and understand you need time to grow up.

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Re: [CTRL] Bush, Abortion and Racial Eugenics: The Real Story

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Thanks for an excellent post Kris, although it will take some time to work
thru the links.  I, too, am very leery about Bush, particularly after reading
Inside the League.  People like J2 won't let facts get in the way of cliches
however when it comes to population control.

Found the following in a story on the Free Tibet campaign that was written up
in a recent issue of the magazine Subject, a glossy, trendy magazine out of
England.

What about the Chinese population control policy--is that active in Tibet as
well?
AY:  Yes, they do enforce the one child rule on Tibetans, much more forcibly
than they do on the Chinese.  But the thing is that the Tibetans are not over
populating their land.  The land is very expansive so having a one-child
limitation on the Tibetans is actually contributing to the genocidal aspects
of what's happening there.  There's a truck that's been going around in Tibet
for years, performing forced abortions and forced sterilizations on women
there on a regular basis.  They are basically sterilizing whole towns and
villages.  The one child policy is actually very destructive, whereas in
China thre may be some logic in it with overpopulation.  Basically it's the
same  rule but it's being extended in a very destructive way in Tibet.

LR:   I heard a story that in Tibet there was someone who did interviews with
women there.  There's one story I remember particularly.  A medical truck
pulled into this village and told all the women in this town that they had to
report to this truck.  One woman was about eight months along in her
pregnancy.  They gave something to induce labour and when the baby was born
they gave it an inection in the head and killed it right in front of the
mother.  That's very typical of the stories you hear.

Ok in China--not OK in Tibet.  OK in the US--not OK in Germany.  How strange
that people think they can control the consequences of an idea.

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[CTRL] Lieberman's Assault Of 1st Amendment

[William Shannon]

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14219



Lieberman renews efforts on entertainment-marketing bill
By The Associated Press
06.22.01
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WASHINGTON — Sen. Joseph Lieberman, acknowledging limited support for his 
bill to regulate the entertainment industry's marketing of sex and violence 
to kids, said yesterday he is cranking up his recruiting efforts.

"I'm not kidding myself. The entertainment industry is a powerful force," 
said Lieberman, D-Conn. "We're fighting uphill here. But it's an important 
battle, and it's got to be waged."

The Media Marketing and Accountability Act would direct the Federal Trade 
Commission to regulate the music, movie and television industries as it does 
other businesses that engage in false and deceptive advertising. 

Entertainment companies found to be marketing adult material to minors would 
be subject to fines.

Lieberman has just three Senate co-sponsors, all Democrats. 
But he said the House introduction of his bill yesterday gives "new momentum 
and new strength."

Freshman Reps. Tom Osborne, R-Neb., and Steve Israel, D-N.Y., are the House 
sponsors. Lieberman said the support of Osborne, the former University of 
Nebraska football coach, shows bipartisanship and should encourage others.

Better known Republicans, including Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Sam 
Brownback of Kansas, joined Lieberman last year in calling for an FTC 
investigation of the industry.

 He said they should support him now and said he sent Senate colleagues a 
letter asking them to join.

"We see no reason why the solution we're proposing should be any less 
bipartisan than all that has preceded it," he said.

Lieberman said he had also written President Bush and Attorney General John 
Ashcroft, asking them to support the bill.

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said the issue is important, but offered no 
support.

"Like most Americans, the president is disturbed by the amount of violence, 
sex and substance abuse our children are exposed to in the entertainment 
industry," he said.

As for the letter, he added, "I'm not sure it's made its way through the 
proper channels."

Lieberman's Senate co-sponsors are Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton of 
New York and Robert Byrd of West Virginia.

Lieberman has long been a critic of the entertainment industry, though as 
former Vice President Al Gore's running mate last year he was accused of 
softening that position to avoid offending big Democratic Party donors.

The movie, television and music industries contributed $24 million to the 
Democratic Party in the past election cycle, compared to $14 million for 
Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The FTC report and a recent follow-up found the music, television and movie 
industries have failed to regulate themselves through voluntary rating 
systems. The industries disagree, saying they're working on improvements.

Critics say the bill violates First Amendment freedoms and predict the 
industries would remove their voluntary rating systems altogether rather than 
face government review.

"The end result of this bill would be less information for parents about 
entertainment and an intrusion on the Constitution," said Jack Valenti, 
president and CEO of the Motion Picture Association of America.

Earlier this week, the Creative Coalition, a group of politically active 
celebrities, sent a letter urging the four Senate sponsors to drop their 
support of the bill, saying it threatens the First Amendment guarantee of 
free speech.

Meanwhile, The Washington Post reported that a group of medical and child 
development experts sent a letter this week asking Congress and the 
entertainment industry to craft a new rating system that would include movie, 
television, music and video games and an independent group to oversee it.

The letter, signed by the American Medical Association, the American 
Psychological Association and a dozen other groups, called the current rating 
system "an alphabet soup … confusing to parents," the Post reported.

[CTRL] Book Ties McVeigh To White Supremacist

[William Shannon]

http://www.mcall.com/html/news/top/a_pg001a1_5mcveigh.htm



Book says McVeigh, Alburtis man linked 

Supremacist group founded in Berks helped with Oklahoma bombing, 
criminologist writes. 

06/22/01By ELLIOT GROSSMAN 
Of The Morning Call 

An Indiana State University criminologist -- claiming to have proof of a 
wider conspiracy -- is tying the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to Mark Thomas, 
who lived in the Alburtis area, and others who belonged to Thomas' group of 
white supremacists. 

Associates of Thomas may have helped Timothy McVeigh bomb the federal 
building in Oklahoma City, according to Professor Mark Hamm. 

And McVeigh may have helped Thomas and his Aryan Republican Army rob 22 banks 
in the Midwest to fund the ARA, Hamm said. 

McVeigh also met Thomas as early as December 1992, said Hamm, who spent the 
last three years researching the alleged connections for his book called "In 
Bad Company: America's Terrorist Underground." Due out in the fall, it is to 
be published by Northeastern University Press, Boston. 

For years, federal law enforcement officials have denied finding any 
connection between the Oklahoma City bombing and the ARA. 

Michael Schwartz, an assistant U.S. attorney in Philadelphia who prosecuted 
Thomas and several other ARA members, said federal officials never found 
evidence linking the ARA to the bombing. 

In particular, Schwartz said, "I can clearly tell you … that McVeigh had 
nothing to do with these bank robberies." 

Thomas, who's in prison, declined a request for an interview. Several years 
ago, Thomas denied participating in the 1995 bombing, but alleged that at 
least one ARA member was involved. 

In the early 1990s, Thomas helped form the ARA on his farm in Longswamp 
Township, Berks County, to spread his white supremacist, anti-government 
views. 

Thomas and several ARA associates are serving time in federal prisons for 
their roles in the bank robberies, which took place in the mid-90s. Rather 
than actively participating in the robberies, Thomas recruited ARA members 
and indoctrinated them with his views, according to Hamm. 

McVeigh, who was convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing with Terry Nichols, 
recently became the first federal prisoner to be executed in 38 years. 

But Hamm contends that as many as 10 others may have helped with the bombing 
by giving technical advice, helping to build and detonate the bomb and 
providing money from the bank robberies. 

Hamm, who also wrote a book about the Oklahoma City bombing, said he found 
connections the FBI missed by preparing separate time lines of the activities 
of McVeigh and the ARA for the years preceding the bombing. Hamm then 
overlaid the two time lines. 

"When I merge them, a pattern appears," said Hamm, who provided the merged 
time line to The Morning Call. Among its entries: 

McVeigh met Thomas possibly in December 1992, when Thomas was Imperial 
Chaplain of the Imperial Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

In March 1993, ARA member Peter Langan told an undercover police officer he 
wanted to bomb a federal building. Langan had extensive knowledge of 
explosives, the officer noted. 

In December 1993, McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister, indicating he is part 
of a group that believes the government should be overthrown and that robbing 
banks should be evaluated as a way to finance that objective. McVeigh may 
have served as a getaway driver for several ARA heists. 

In January 1995, Thomas, while visiting his ex-wife in the Alburtis area, 
made a comment to the effect: "We are going to hit one of their buildings, a 
federal building, during the day. That's when there will be the most 
casualties." 

By March 1995, for more than a year, the ARA had provided funding to McVeigh 
and Nichols and was to provide "tactical support" for the bombing. McVeigh 
was to carry out the deed and take the fall for the rest of the conspirators, 
confident in his belief of securing a place in "patriot history." 

The patterns were difficult to find, Hamm said, because the ARA modeled 
itself after the Irish Republican Army which uses secret independent units 
called cells. "This deliberate deception makes it difficult for any 
investigators to put the pieces together," Hamm said. 

Hamm said he also studied transcripts from the trials of McVeigh, Nichols and 
Langan. Hamm also obtained the unpublished, handwritten autobiography of ARA 
member Richard Guthrie, who killed himself in prison. And he interviewed 
about a dozen FBI agents. 

Hamm is one of many people who have put forward theories or research about a 
possible wider conspiracy in the bombing. In its bombing probe, the FBI 
circulated photos of a John Doe 2, an unidentified man who was seen but never 
arrested for helping with the bombing. 

For several years, there have been unconfirmed reports of connections between 
the bombing and the ARA. But Hamm said, "I believe I'm the first to do a 
comprehensive job of putting all the pieces together." 

J.D. 

[CTRL] (Fwd) McVeigh's Death Spurs Outcry Against Poetry

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MCVEIGH'S DEATH SPURS OUTCRY AGAINST POETRY

By Mad Cow Culture ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

June 17, 2001

By misappropriating as his death bed chant Invictus, the famous poem
by
W.E.Henley, mad cow bomber Timothy McVeigh has created an
infamous stink,
raising important legal, philosophical and academic issues.

W.E.Henley IV, great-grandson of the poet, is furious that a mass
murder
would pervert lines written by a relative who overcame enormous suffering
to excel as a magazine writer. The great-grandson, who has threatened
to
sue the McVeigh estate for malicious misappropriation of iambic
pentameter, thinks authorities should have at least amputated one of
the
bomber's legs so he, like the poet,  could be one with the poem.

The original Henley lived to have quite a future. Robert Louis Stevenson
used Henley as the prototype for Long John Silver of Treasure Island.
Rodin sculpted Henley's bust which is now found at the National Portrait
Gallery in London. Great-grandson Henley said McVeigh committed
another
crime by appropriating the poem without the suffering. Even the right
wing
wackos understand this. No one is even buying bogus McVeigh
memorabilia on
Ebay.  The guy is history.

McVeigh might be history but not the fuss caused by his deathbed
invocation
of Invictus. The Dallas School Board has opted to remove all literature
textbooks which contain the poem from its classrooms. Board
President Dr.
Jerry James said in a prepared report We will not expose
impressionable
students to a poem that has been used by a mass murderer to justify
and
celebrate his wicked acts. We are firm in our conviction that we will not
be party to making this fiend a cult hero. In fact we intend to be master
of our fate, and captain of our soul. I realize there are some First
Amendment issues involved, but the primary concern for the Dallas
School
Board is the health and welfare of our children.

The Dallas News has reported that the Board's edict might go further.
Internet chat rooms are suggesting that during his high school years and
during his service in the Gulf War, McVeigh was actually an avid reader
of
poetry. His high school sweetheart Jane Jones has allegedly claimed
that
McVeigh was an avid reader of Dylan Thomas Do Not Go Gentle,
Hamlet's
soliloquy, and Robert Frost's Out, Out--. Military friends have indicated
that McVeigh had read Atlas Shrugged at least six times and had a
fascination with Ahab in Moby Dick. There is some speculation that
McVeigh was secret admirer of Walt Whitman and has a particular love
for
Song of Myself.

These post-mortem finding have dismayed members of the now defunct,
bankrupt and disgraced McVeigh Fan Club who lament that the
bomber
should have gone out showing his sensitive, compassionate side.  The
Dallas School Boards, however, according to the Dallas News, is
dismayed
that this reading list, whether apocryphal or not, will become tainted by
an association with a murderer. According to Dr. James, The last thing
we
want is for students to be thinking that characters in Melville, Whitman,
or Shakespeare are to be admired and emulated because a mass
murderer
embraced them. Frankly, we'd rather our students not read these works
that
are even more likely now to contaminate their minds.

The Dallas School Board has not yet decided on a broader textbook ban
but
already textbook companies are getting the message and without any
apparent
coercion, are significantly reducing the amount of Thoreau, Emerson,
Hawthorne, Melville, Whitman, Crane, and Twain in American Literature
textbooks.

Some textbook companies are simply creating entire literature texts
around
excerpts from the Bible, which has met with the quiet approval of school
boards in Texas. In Dr. James opinion this effort serves as a reasonable
extension of President Bush's faith-based initiative. After all, there are
no surprises in the Bible, and we are reasonably certain the murderer
never
read this book.

Not everyone is so sanguine about these developments. The American
Civil
Liberties Union (ACLU) has already sought an injunction in Dallas
Superior
Court against this flagrant violation of First Amendment Freedoms. The
ACLU has lost the first round  the court, which invited further briefs,
wrote that local school boards have the right to decide curriculum
content. It is not the court's job to find motive.

The ACLU has vowed to fight this creeping religious hegemony that
threatens our schools.

Whatever the legality of the Dallas decision, school boards across
America
are looking intently at the drama and the court's response to date.
School
boards in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Mississippi and Florida who have
already
removed The Exorcist', Huck Finn, Black Like Me, and other books
from
school libraries seem more emboldened. City schools in Detroit,
Michigan
have already removed most of the Great Books of Western Literature
from

Re: [CTRL] Killer Mom's Meds

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Interesting - about Haldol

http://www.walnet.org/llf/drugs/haldol.html#start

SHOULD NOT BE USED OR SHOULD BE USED CAREFULLY WHEN THERE IS

use of drugs for depression (within 14 days)

use of tranquilizers, drugs for tension (within 14 days)

use of other antipsychotic/neuroleptic drugs 

severe depression
-

Anise


Mrs. Yates' husband, Russell Yates, said Thursday that his wife began
taking
Effexor and Remeron earlier this week. She had previously taken Risperdal,
Wellbutrin and Haldol, her husband said.

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Re: [CTRL] Effexorwith Haloperidol and/or Risperidone

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Effexor, when used with Haloperidol and/or Risperidone, increases the AUC
(Area Under the Curve, or full drug exposure ) level of both drugs
significantly:

http://www.effexorxr.com/pi.htm#contraindications

Haloperidol
Venlafaxine administered under steady-state conditions at 150 mg/day in 24
healthy subjects decreased total oral-dose clearance (Cl/F) of a single 2 mg
dose of haloperidol by 42%, which resulted in a 70% increase in haloperidol
AUC. In addition, the haloperidol Cmax increased 88% when coadministered
with venlafaxine, but the haloperidol elimination half-life (t189;) was
unchanged. The mechanism explaining this finding is unknown.
--
Risperidone - Venlafaxine administered under steady-state conditions at 150
mg/day slightly inhibited the CYP2D6-mediated metabolism of risperidone
(administered as a single 1 mg oral dose) to its active metabolite,
9-hydroxyrisperidone, resulting in an approximate 32% increase in
risperidone AUC. However, venlafaxine coadministration did not significantly
alter the pharmacokinetic profile of the total active moiety (risperidone
plus 9-hydroxyrisperidone.)
-

Doctors are hazardous to your health, IMO.
Anise






Wellbutrin, Remeron and Effexor are anti-depressants that affect
neurotransmitters. Remeron, one of the newer anti-depressants, stimulates
serotonin release while blocking specific serotonin receptors. All three
are
commonly prescribed for depression.

Haldol, an anti-psychotic manufactured by Ortho-McNeil, is often prescribed
for schizophrenia and outbursts of aggression and agitation. It also works
by
changing the flow of dopamine.


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[CTRL] LaRouche- Why Israel Would Lose A New M.E. War

[William Shannon]

http://www.sightings.com/general11/mids.htm




Why Israel Would Lose A 
New Middle East War
By Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.

6-24-1

If Prime Minister Ariel Sharon were to use his scheduled meeting with 
President George W. Bush, Jr., as a license to unleash new levels of warfare 
in the Middle East, the virtually inevitable outcome would be the ultimate 
extinction of the state of Israel. This is my strategic estimate, and that of 
many important strategic thinkers in Europe. It is also the fear expressed by 
a growing number of influentials and others, walking in the footsteps of the 
martyred Prime Minister Rabin, inside Israel itself. Bush's actions to block 
such an effect, might not be sufficient by itself; but, were he to take such 
action, he would have a decisive margin of support for the same effort within 
Europe, and elsewhere.   

Obviously, Israel has the military means to win a so-called conventional, or 
nuclear war, in the Middle East, but only if the conflict were limited to 
regular warfare. Even in the not-unlikely prospect that Sharon's likely 
extremist successors would launch nuclear warfare, that would not save 
Israel, but ensure its earlier disintegration.   

The danger to Israel, were it to launch such a war, would remind strategists 
of the way in which guerrilla warfare against Napoleon's forces in Spain, 
created the "second front" at Napoleon's back in the west, which facilitated 
his crushing defeat in the east. Israel could not outlive a protracted state 
of general chaos accompanied by irregular warfare, in the Middle East region. 
Such states of "unconventional warfare" can not be resolved by purely 
"conventional means." This danger becomes most acute when irregular warfare 
comes into being in the form of religious warfare. As religious and kindred 
forms of ethnic warfare practiced by Hitler, so, religious warfare of type 
still being proposed by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel P. Huntington, and their 
circles, is the most deadly and wicked threat to civilization among all modes 
of warfare. It is a holocaust which enflames the forest in all directions, 
once the torch is thrown.   

Can such a slow-burn obliteration of the state of Israel be prevented? It is 
the general opinion, around much of the world, that the only force likely to 
bring a stop Sharon's to escalation, would be action from President George W. 
Bush, Jr.   

If President Bush were to fail to warn Sharon and Sharon's backers in the 
circles of the Washington Post's Katie Graham, against any launching of 
expanded military operations in the Middle East region, Bush's failure to 
intervene against Sharon's imminent launching of escalated warfare, and to 
intervene in the most forceful and effective way, would virtually ensure that 
the entire Middle East, and much more, blows up in the Bush Administration's 
face. Under conditions of an onrushing world-wide financial collapse, such an 
eruption of chaos in the Middle East would have incalculable qualities of 
chain- reaction effects world-wide.   

If Bush would act now, before Sharon returns to Israel from his new U.S. 
visit, he would be assured of effective assistance from continental Europe, 
and others. Inside the U.S., especially in the Congress, there must be the 
widest possible mobilization of bi-partisan action to persuade the President 
to adopt and implement such a war- blocking strategic assessment.   

The Treaty of Westphalia as Precedent No competent historian or other 
strategic analyst, either in Europe or the U.S., will deny that, since 
Sharon's sponsorship of the provocation against the site of Jerusalem's Dome 
of the Rock, the present situation in the Middle East has been degenerating, 
largely through Sharon's actions, into a generalized religious war, which 
threatens to spread early and widely, into the Middle East as a whole.   

The precedent to be remembered in the way in which Europe as a whole was 
plunged into what some British historians have one named a virtual "little 
dark age," through the religious wars of the interval 1511-1648. In such a 
situation today, the precedent of the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia, is the only 
sane policy to be projected by the U.S, that in concert with our partners in 
Europe.   

We must remember, that the assassination of the Wallenstein who was seeking a 
peaceful solution with the Sweden's Gustavus Adolphus, resulted in a 
prolongation of the ongoing religious war more horrible than anything of the 
preceding period.   

Today, for the Middle East, the only available short-term solution, is a 
revival of the Oslo Accords, but, this time, without World Bank and other 
sabotage allowed to prevent the launching of the general development of basic 
economic infrastructure which provides the only concrete basis for initiating 
a durable peace among the peoples of the region as a whole.   

It is time when all responsible officials in the U.S.A. and Europe, will be 
studying, and embracing the 

[CTRL] Report: Egyptians Agree Plane Crash Was Suicide

[Steve]

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Sunday June 24 10:13 AM ET

Report: Egyptians Agree Plane Crash Was Suicide

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Egyptian investigators who probed the 1999 crash
of Egyptair Flight 990 in which 217 people were killed privately agreed with
the U.S. view that it was probably caused by the co-pilot committing
suicide, Newsweek magazine reported on Saturday.

The magazine said U.S. intelligence agencies secretly monitored
communications between Cairo and the investigators who were in
Washington at the time.

``Intelligence sources say the intercepts reveal that despite their public
stance, the Egyptian investigators privately agreed with their U.S.
counterparts that suicide was the likely cause of the crash,'' Newsweek
said.

All on board were killed when the Boeing 767 crashed into the sea off
Massachusetts. No mechanical cause for the crash has been found.

Earlier this month, the man who headed the U.S. National Transportation
Safety Board (news - web sites) at the time of the crash, James Hall, said it
could only have been caused by someone in the cockpit.

``The information that I have very carefully reviewed when I was chairman
left no question in my mind ... that there is no way that the events could have
occurred as a result of a mechanical failure, but occurred as a result of pilot
actions,'' Hall said.

Investigators have focused on co-pilot Gamil Batouti, who was at the
controls when the aircraft went into a final dive.

Egyptian authorities have long rejected any suggestion that Batouti may
have deliberately crashed the aircraft. They have urged U.S. investigators
to look more closely at the Boeing's elevator panels to determine if they
malfunctioned.

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Re: [CTRL] Effexorwith Haloperidol and/or Risperidone

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 6/24/01 2:56:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Effexor, when used with Haloperidol and/or Risperidone, increases the AUC
(Area Under the Curve, or "full drug exposure ") level of both drugs
significantly:

You're grasping at straws here.
This lady killed her kids not because of her medications but because of her
illness.
The reason we see people taking common SRI-type antidepressants commit acts
of violence is because they're mentally ill and predisposed to violence.
Millions of people take such meds without ill effect and in fact experience
life saving benefit.

Now that she was taking Haldol makes it clear that this wasn't simply garden
variety depression.

And frankly if she was having such a tough time with her brood she should've
stopped giving birth like a rabbit and she should've sent the kids to school
instead of keeping them at home with her to drive this already unbalanced
loon over the edge. Just stupid!!

Bill.

[CTRL] Protesters clash with Barcelona riot police

[Steve]

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Protesters clash with Barcelona riot police

By KERNAN TURNER. Associated Press

BARCELONA, Spain (June 24, 2001 3:25 p.m. EDT) - Riot police made
what may have been an unprovoked attack on anti-globalization protesters
gathered in a city park following a march down a main boulevard Sunday.
At least 32 people were slightly injured and 19 were arrested.

Thousands of screaming and shouting demonstrators, some with small
children, fled in panic as the police pushed into the crowd behind shields,
wielding truncheons and firing blank gunshots.

We raised our arms and shouted, 'Peace, Peace,' but they just kept
coming, said a woman who identified herself as Yolanda.

The march along Passeig de Gracia and rally at the Plaza de Cataluna -
along with other weekend activities - were organized to coincide with a
World Bank meeting originally scheduled for this week. Officials canceled
the meeting last week to avoid violent protests that have marred meetings
of global and regional institutions in the past two years.

The march was largely peaceful, but windows were broken at some stores
along the route, among them a McDonald's restaurant and a Swatch store.
Small groups of men and women taunted riot police.

Thousands of other demonstrators joined the marchers at the park
following the march. They had been peacefully listening to speakers and
chanting slogans when the police swept through the plaza.

The police charged the crowd after a small group of masked men and
women who appeared to be police agents staged a fight at the edge of the
park in full view of a line of riot police standing in front of police vans. A few
dozen demonstrators were pulled into the violence.

Police provoked the fight. They were part of it, said Ada Colau, a
spokeswoman for the Campaign Against the World Bank, one of the
protest organizations.

Reporters watched as the police appeared to use the staged scuffle as
bait to pull protesters into it and then use it as a pretext to charge into the
park. A second charge emptied the park within minutes.

The masked assailants, some of them apparently wearing earphones, had
gathered in groups on the fringes of the protest march as it arrived at the
park after passing down a dozen blocks of the boulevard.

They were wearing knapsacks and carrying sticks, but were able to walk
freely past police, pull on their masks and position themselves between the
edge of the crowd in the park and the police lines 25 yards away.

The fight began when one man grabbed another and pulled him to the
ground. Others from the same group began kicking and slugging each
other.

When demonstrators saw what was going on and joined the fight, the
police charged into the park. The men and women involved in the scuffle
walked through the police line and boarded the vans.

A reporter asked one of them if they were police. He at first said yes, and
then said no, before walking undeterred by police to the vans.

State television said 19 people were arrested, and the news agency Efe
quoted emergency medical services as saying 32 were slightly injured with
bumps and bruises.

Anti-globalization activists from a potpourri of organizations have been
showing up at summits of the World Trade Organization, International
Monetary Fund and the World Bank, institutions they claim widen the gap
between rich and poor.

Some protests resulted in violent clashes with the police, most recently at
the European Summit held in Goteborg, Sweden, this month, when several
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible LiberalsandPalestinianpropaganda. 1/2

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He did not commit THAT war crime.

oh really he did not commit that crime ?
was Sharon the man in charge of that area ? the answer is yes he was.
according to Geneva conventions and International law the person in charge is the one responsible when the land is occupied by a forigen force. Even though he did not do it himself, the safety of civilians and militray personal arrested are his responsibiliity.


There will ALWAYS be war crimes in war. ALWAYS The solution is to not allow wars to get started. 

yes that is true, but once the crime has been committed the perpetrator should bd brought to trial and punished for his crimes.Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'

[Don Daniels]

This is totally crazy.

It looks like the British Isles have gone politically-correct bonkers.

Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullibleLiberalsandPalestinianpropaganda. 1/2

[Nurev Ind.]

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goolie smith wrote:

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  He did not commit THAT war crime.



 oh really he did not commit that crime ?

 was Sharon the man in charge of that area ?  the answer is yes he was.

 according to Geneva conventions and International law the person in charge is
 the one responsible when the land is occupied by a forigen force.  Even though
 he did not do it himself, the safety of civilians and militray personal
 arrested are his responsibiliity.


Did you bother to read part2 of what I posted or do you just like
going in circles?

Sharon gave orders to protect non-combatants. This from one of the men
who did the killing.

Did you read what Hamas said?

By the way, do you think that Arafat is a war criminal?

J2



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 allow wars to get started.



 yes that is true, but once the crime has been committed the perpetrator should
 bd brought to trial and punished for his crimes.

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Re: [CTRL] Effexorwith Haloperidol and/or Risperidone

[Steve]

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On 24 Jun 01, at 16:05, William Shannon wrote:

 You're grasping at straws here.
 This lady killed her kids not because of her medications but because of her
 illness.

Well, who appointed you doctor and judge, Bill? I was just passing along
information. I am grasping at nothing but a closer examination of what
happened. Excuse me for posting revelant material here!

Steve


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Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'

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This is totally crazy.
yes, it is... unbelievably so!

It looks like the British Isles have gone politically-correct bonkers.
 if andrew is to be believed, that is.


well actually the post was, as all andrew's postings, a tissue of lies.
homophobic shite.
below is the news story he was misrepresenting for his own political ends.

~~
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_694000/694638.stm

Wednesday, 29 March, 2000, 11:27 GMT 12:27 UK

New blue hue to 'pink triangle'



The gay community tends to be wary of reporting attacks

A Scottish police force has launched a campaign to strengthen links with the
local gay community.
The initiative by Lothian and Borders Police aims to persuade gay and
lesbian members of the community that they will be treated equally by the
force.
At the same time, police say they will recognise the gay community has
special concerns and different needs.
Among the measures being introduced are specially-trained officers to work
with gay people and a higher police profile in areas of the city where there
is a greater proportion of gay residents.
Efforts to promote a better mutual understanding and increased confidence
will focus on the area around the city's Broughton Street, known as
Edinburgh's pink triangle.
Other measures include:
A dedicated police surgery based in Broughton Street which will run for a
one-year trial period
Contact telephone numbers for community officers to be handed out to all gay
venues in poster format and on flyers
Letters to all licencees in the Greenside/Broughton Street areas
highlighting increased police attention aimed at building community
relations
Crime prevention visits to pubs, clubs and restaurants in the area
Literature on crime reporting, domestic violence and police services for
local businesses
Advertising of police services through the gay press
External training inputs for police officers
Consideration to be given to anonymous remote reporting.
Police in Edinburgh acknowledge that the gay community in the city has less
confidence in the force than others in the capital.
They may be targetted by criminals because of their sexuality, and they are
less likely to report attacks against them.
As a result, police are not given a full picture of the extent of homophobic
incidents, while those responsible for such attacks are not caught.



The move is a drive towards greater trust

Consideration is now being given to enabling victims to report incidents
anonymously.
Chief Superintendent Malcolm Dickson, who will oversee the operation, said:
At present we know there is a problem with under-reporting of crimes for a
number of different reasons.
Some victims are not in a position to say openly that they are gay and
therefore that the crime may have been motivated for that reason.
Others may be reluctant to be tagged as a victim of homophobic crime.
'It's a long road'
He added that, ideally, the force wanted all crime victims to come forward
but he acknowledged that not everyone felt that they could.
It's a long road. In many respects we are lucky, we have a focussed,
well-established community and we are used to their presence and the
policing issues that are thrown up.
In that respect we may be ahead of other police forces but there is still a
long way to go and we are constantly refining our approach and, I'd like to
think, improving our skills in relating to the gay community.
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Re: [CTRL] British slaughter of animals defied expert advice to government

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 This has simply wiped out the rural economy making
 the UK more dependent on Europe -


total bullshit andrew. less than 2% of the uk stock was killed

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[CTRL] SNET: Philippine Volcano Spews Truck-Sized Boulders (fwd)

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And a tremondous amount of pollution and So called Green house gases

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[CTRL] 30-Foot Kite Used to Raise Obelisk

[Carl Amedio]

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JUNE 23, 20:05 EST 
30-Foot Kite Used to Raise Obelisk 
By ANDREW BRIDGES 
AP Science Writer 

LANCASTER, Calif. (AP) — Researchers used a mammoth kite Saturday to set a 
6,900-pound obelisk upright, a feat they say demonstrates that ancient 
Egyptians may have harnessed the wind to move even the most massive of 
stones. 
It took two tries but less than five minutes before the reinforced concrete 
obelisk, which had been prone on the ground, was raised by the tug of a 
brightly colored parachute modified to fly like a kite in the stiff Mojave 
Desert wind. 
``It's a heck of a lot easier lifting it with the wind than it is pushing it 
or pulling it,'' said Maureen Clemmons, a Reseda, Calif., business consultant 
who has spent the last four years spearheading the project. 
The feat required just two people to fly the 30-foot kite, which provided an 
estimated 400 pounds of thrust as it danced in the 14-16 mph wind. A complex 
system of pulleys provided enough mechanical assistance to make the task 
possible. 
Clemmons, 44, said the idea for using wind power to move heavy objects came 
to her in 1997 after she read a magazine article about modern efforts to 
replicate how experts believe ancient Egyptians built the pyramids. Stones 
used in the pyramids weighed about 5,000 pounds. 
``I was looking at this picture, all these guys pushing, pulling, sweating, 
the ramps and the sand, and nothing worked,'' said Clemmons, who has spent 
$30,000 on the project. ``There had to be another way.'' 
Clemmons was inspired by tales of Viking ships sailing across land on log 
rollers, using wind power. In 1999, she brought her idea to the California 
Institute of Technology, where a small group took on the project as an 
engineering challenge. 
``You can lift up any weight if you provide the right kite size,'' said Mory 
Gharib, a professor of aeronautics at Caltech, who has worked with Clemmons 
for three years perfecting the concept. 
Clemmons began with a child's kite and a foot-high toy obelisk and has 
gradually scaled upward. Saturday marked the fourth time her team has used 
wind to lift the 6,900-pound version. Eventually, they hope to lift a 
20,000-pound obelisk. 
Kite experts and Egyptologists are skeptical. 
``We just do not believe she's got a prayer. It's just not logical. It 
doesn't bear the scrutiny of people who know kites,'' said Valerie Govig, the 
publisher and editor of Kite Lines magazine, which recently ceased 
publication. 
Experts in Egyptian art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York added 
through publicist Egle Zygas that the concept of kite-flying pyramid builders 
is ``highly unlikely.'' 
But Clemmons — who maintains ancient paintings and reliefs suggest the 
Egyptians flew kites — remains a firm believer in wind power. 
``How many people does it take to pull an oak tree out of the ground? One 
gust of wind can pull it out by its roots,'' Clemmons said. 
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[CTRL] Montesinos Captured

[William Shannon]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americas/06/24/peru.montesinos/index.html




Peru's fugitive ex-spy chief caught in Caracas

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Peru's fugitive former spy chief Vladimiro Montesinos
was captured Saturday night in the Venezuela capital, President Hugo Chavez
said.

Montesinos had fled from Peru after being accused of a number of crimes,
including stealing state funds, taking kickbacks from illegal drugs and arms
deals, running death squads, and ordering torture of opponents.

The capture in Caracas was confirmed by Peru's interior minister Ketin Vidal.
Montesinos was captured by officials from Venezuela's military intelligence
at 10 p.m. Saturday in an area of the city called 23 de Enero. He was taken
to a military jail.

Peruvian Prime Minister Javier Perez de Cuellar called the capture a moral
victory for Peru.

Peru's interior minister was planning to travel on Sunday to Caracas to get
the suspect and take him back to Peru. But the timing was not clear. Peruvian
state attorney Jose Ugaz told CNN he was awaiting a decision on whether
Montesinos would be expelled immediately from Venezuela or whether
proceedings would delay his extradition several months.

Ugaz said extradition proceedings -- if necessary -- should go smoothly
between the two Latin American countries, which have similar extradition
protocols.

Montesinos sparked a scandal in Peru, where he was caught on videotape
apparently bribing a congressman. As a result of the incident, former
Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori was stripped of office as "morally unfit"
to rule last November. The spy chief was later also said to have allegedly
manipulated Peru's courts, media and military.

Peru has not had luck bringing Fujimori back from Japan, where Fujimori is in
self-exile. Because Fujimori has Japanese nationality, he cannot be
extradited, according to Japanese law.

"The Japanese government is giving [Fujimori] absolute cover," Ugaz said. "We
suppose now Montesinos will give us a lot of new evidence that will
demonstrate [to] the Japanese government that Fujimori is a common criminal."

Peru has charged Fujimori, its hard-line president from 1990 to 2000, with
dereliction of duty and the attorney general has also called for him to be
tried for responsibility in a 1991 massacre by an army death squad.

[CTRL] Fwd: Gates of Hell Opened Says Fateh Leader

[William Shannon]

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   ASSASSINATIONS AND TANK ATTACKS 

AS SHARON COMES TO USA FOR SECOND TIME AS PM

 With this assassination, Sharon has opened 
  the gates of hell for the Israelis.
Tanzim Leader Marwan Barghouti 

MID-EAST REALITIES © - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 6/24/01:
What the Israelis have in mind, now lead by General Sharon rather than General Barak 
or General Rabin, is not such a mystery a this point.  Before now they were primarily 
interested in twisting the Arafat Regime to do the policing and repressing of the 
Palestinian population now penned up in autonomous poplution centers.   At the same 
time the associated goal was to coerce or trick that regime into signing away 
Palestinian rights in another historic peace agreement White House extravaganza.  
Since the failure at Camp David and the reignition of the Intifada -- all instigated 
by none other than the current Israeli Prime Minister -- the Israelis are now getting 
ready to enforce their will through even more brutal and direct military means.  
Preparing the way to do just that is primarily a political undertaking, which is what 
Sharon is now engaged in.  The Israeli military and the Israeli public are ready and 
willing...and just waiting for the excuse to do it.  


ISRAELIS ASSASSINATE AGAIN USING PHONE BOMB

   A Palestinian activist was killed Saturday when the public telephone he was using 
exploded in the West Bank city of Nablus.
   Palestinians have blamed Israel for the attack which came as Israeli Prime Minister 
Ariel Sharon prepared to travel to Washington for talks with George W Bush on the 
turmoil in the Middle East.
   The Palestinian activist, Osama Jawabri, was using the phone on a square in the 
city when it exploded, witnesses said. Two children, a four-year-old boy, and his 
two-year-old sister, were slightly wounded.
   Mr Jawabri was a member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a group that has claimed 
responsibility for the killings of Jewish settlers during the current uprising, 
according to activists in Nablus.
   Mr Jawabri participated in bomb attacks in the West Bank and Israel and has long 
been a target for Israel, the activists added.
   Palestinians said Israel was responsible for the killing and called it a violation 
of the ceasefire agreement brokered earlier this month by the US.
   With this assassination, Sharon has opened the gates of hell for the Israelis, 
said Marwan Barghouti, a prominent member of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah 
movement.
   In his discussions with President Bush, Mr Sharon is expected to reiterate his 
position that Israel will not conduct negotiations with the Palestinians until there 
has been a complete cessation of violence.
   Israel's army has declined to comment on the explosion.
   Israel has targeted Palestinian militants, carrying out more than a dozen such 
killings since the Middle East violence began last September, according to the 
Palestinians. Israel has acknowledged some of the attacks, and has declined to comment 
on others.   [Ananova news, 24 June]



DEMOLITION IN GAZA LATEST TIT-FOR-TAT REPRISAL
   From Phil Reeves in Jerusalem

 [The Independent - 24 June 2001]:
 Distraught Palestinians were yesterday salvaging belongings
 from the rubble of destroyed homes in the Gaza Strip, after
 Israel's armed forces went on a wrecking spree, less than a
 day after two Israeli soldiers were killed by a suicide bomber.

 As Israeli tanks provided cover fire from machine guns,
 bulldozers flattened homes at Rafah in the seething southern
 part of the strip, according to Palestinian officials.

 The operation – another breach of the US-brokered ceasefire,
 which has been violated by both sides – came shortly before a
 Palestinian man was shot dead by Israeli troops, also in Gaza.

 The Israeli army said the troops who killed the man were from
 the same unit as two soldiers killed on Friday by a Hamas
 suicide bomber. A spokesman said that he had been trying to
 climb over the border fence separating Gaza from Israel, armed
 with grenades and a pistol.

 Israel has blamed all ceasefire violations on the Palestinians –
 a point that Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, is certain to
 emphasise when he sees Tony Blair en route to Washington
 today, and also when the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell,
 visits the region shortly afterwards.

 Mr Sharon is demanding that Yasser Arafat secure an end to
 Palestinian 

Re: [CTRL] Report: Egyptians Agree Plane Crash Was Suicide

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 Egyptian authorities have long rejected any suggestion that Batouti may
have deliberately crashed the aircraft. They have urged U.S. investigators
to look more closely at the Boeing's elevator panels to determine if they
malfunctioned. 

So, how much did it cost the US tax payers to get the Egyptians to agree to
the suicide?

BHoward

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Re: [CTRL] Book Ties McVeigh To White Supremacist

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--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 An Indiana State University criminologist --
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Many organizations have the resources to plan and
carry out terrorist operations such as the bombing
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But who had the power to control and limit the
investigation into the bombing?
Who had the power to call off the search for the other
John Doe numbers 2,3,4,5  et al?
Who had the power to destroy the crime scene, by
quickly demolishing and bulldozing the site of the
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The so-called white supremacists did not and
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Ask yourself...Who does?

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Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

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Xxx Yyy wrote:

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 J2,
 Your arrogance matches that of those in the SS

Oh really. All the SS or just the officers?

 and your ignorance matches
 that of any who will not learn from studying history.

You mean I have to study history, but you don't have to know shit about
biology? That seems unfair.

 Do read a few books
 dealing with the history of the early eugenics movement, note how these
 positions coincided with the Darwinian view of cultures, read the book Modern
 Fascism  by Gene Veith and then understand that not everyone is taken in by
 the slicksters of the population control movement with their definitions of
 who is human.

I am against the population control movement.


 My son says you won't get the above comment because you are probably a 14
 year old with too much time on his hands.

That's right. And what's your excuse for being a biological ignoramous?
Are you not yet in high school where you learn basic biology?

 If this is the case, I apologize
 and understand you need time to grow up.


Thank you. I accept your apology.

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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible ...

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flw wrote:

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  Where do you people get the audacity to point fingers at ANYBODY while
  supporting the PLO and Yassir Arafat. What astonishing hypocrisy. Even from
  Liberals.
 
  Joshua2

 It is not a matter of supporting the PLO and Arafat.
 The reality is that the West Bank / Gaza situation is essentially
 one of Neo European Colonialism.

That's one interpretation. And it's an arguable one. The Israelis are
not European any more than you are. They are Israelis. And the West Bank,
and Gaza are territories that were lost to Israel in a war with Arab Palestine
A.K.A. Jordan, who was warned not to attack Israel during the Six Day War.
They are not  occupied  by Israel. They are occupied by a conquered enemy
population. Losers can't be choosers.

How come no one is asking the USA to return Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New
Mexico, and California to Mexico??? And, the rest of the country to the
Indians? How come you are not?

 Since WWII there have been countless wars of National Liberation.

 These wars of national liberation are very brutal wars where terrorism is the
 most effective and common weapon - for both sides. Terrorist bombings
 by insurgents; airplane bombings by the superior military side. Torture
 is de rigueur by those seeking to oppress the insurgents.

 Algeria, Kenya, Viet Nam, Rhodesia, South Africa come readily to mind.
 Of course Israel itself was birthed through terrorism.

This is all true. Your points are well made. But there is one main difference
where Israel is concerned. The Jewish refugees who remained alive after WWII
had no where to go since no country would take them in even after what
happened. So they went to Palestine and won it over by terror and war. They
had nothing to lose.

This is NOT THE SAME AS COLONIZATION FOR PROFIT! This was a matter of
survival where the Palestinians paid for the sins of Christian Europe. I
personally think the Germany should have been given to the surviving Jews.
Then the Germans would be dealing with the aftermath of dispossession. That
would have been justice.

That was in the first half of the last century. There is no more Palestine.
There is Israel and Jordan. Like it or not. I think that if the Palestinians
don't like living under the Israelis, AND they can't defeat them in order
to change their situation, they should move to Germany.


 Few observers supported the terrorist tactics of the insurgents or the
 status quo. As J2 points out - such is the reality of brutual conflicts -
 and the side with the highest pain tolerance usually prevails.
 Generally those with less to lose and the higher birth rate will
 win.

This is a wrong analysis. The side with the greatest power will win. Either
the power of numbers as in S. Africa, or the power of military strength.


 Will the Palestinians outsuffer the Israelis?

You bet they will. But that won't get them Palestine back.

 As the Israelis assume
 a traditional European / American standard of living with all that
 entails such as glorifying a lifestyle that abhors inconvenience and
 demands instant gratification (much like the traditional colonialists living
 in their colonialist bubble) they paradoxically become weaker. For
 example it is now common for young Israelis to dodge the draft which
 was almost unheard of in the past.

This was true up to a point. That point has been passed. Your example was
what drove Labor and Liberals and the Israeli Left into the Oslo Accords.
They got tired and lazy and weary of constant war. They really wanted peace
with the Palestinians enough to delude themselves into thinking that the
Palestinians wanted peace too. But the Palestinians don't want peace. They
wasn't Israel to disappear and return to Old Palestine.

That won't happen. And the Palestinians and all the Arab world can't make
it happen. So they didn't take the best offer they would ever get. When the
bourgie Israelis saw that, it hit home. They reverted to the survival
mentality and elected the man who was most likely to deal with the enemy
as an enemy. Sharon.


 The more squalid the Palestinian's conditions become - the stronger they
 become in terms of this conflict.

This is a ridiculous statement. The Palestinians are losing all around.
They are even losing in world opinion which is swinging against them. They
have demonstrated their true intent.


 Perhaps the closest to the Palestinian / Israeli situation is South Africa.

Not even the same ball game. This is a forced and contrived comparison
designed to appeal to Liberals.


 It is clear that Israel's long term plan is an Apartheid State. Only an
 Israeli Apartheid State could possibly survive demographic reality
 assuming Israel insists on remaining a Theocratic ethnically pure
 political entity.

Israel intends to remain Jewish. That's the point of it's existence. If someone
doesn't like it, too bad.

J2


 Clearly just as in South Africa, Apartheid is a losing game.
 flw

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Re: [CTRL] Killer Mom's Meds

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, gandalf wrote:
I would like to know who many of you have a degree in
psychology and know this person personly.

No degree, just what was taught in my nursing classes and what any
medical person past basic training would recognize as signs a person may
require more than just meds thrown at them as a supposed 'solution' to
their mental and emotional problems...


Maybe what her family is saying is the truth.

I never said they were lying.  What I DID say is that the diagnosis of
'post-partum depression' was a convenient diagnosis for a problem which
seems to have been much more severe and deep-seated than anyone seemed to
care to probe.

Again, true post-partum depression only lasts a few weeks, and is never
treated with anti-psychotic meds...

So it would seem that the doctor(s) who prescribed the meds had to be
aware of a deeper problem, but didn't get this woman any counseling, only
continued to prescribe various psychotropic cocktails...


I am getting tried of people seeing conspiracies in everything.

One wonders what you are doing on a list called CONSPIRACY Theory
Research List, then...


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Re: [CTRL] Effexorwith Haloperidol and/or Risperidone

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, William Shannon wrote:
You're grasping at straws here.
This lady killed her kids not because of her medications but because of her
illness.

Perhaps.  But two points to consider...even if she didn't have any
adverse side-effects from any of the meds, it's obvious they didn't do
anything to help her mental/emotional state.

Second point:  a couple of the meds she was on have as a possible
side-effect hallucinations; if this woman experienced this side-effect,
that could possibly be one of the reasons for her killing the kids.  If
so, look for the infamous 'voices told me to do it' defense...


Now that she was taking Haldol makes it clear that this wasn't simply garden
variety depression.

Exactly.  Especially not the post-partum depression both her husband
and her doctor keep pushing.  I still say there was something else going
on with her that the husband didn't want to deal with and so latched on
to the post-partum depression diagnosis as an easy out...


And frankly if she was having such a tough time with her brood she should've
stopped giving birth like a rabbit

Well, hubby had a little bit to do with that too, keep in mind...


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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullibleLiberalsandPalestinianpropaganda. 1/2

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ah nurev, nurev, nurev dont tell me your going to start personal attacksagainst me.
Yes i did read the second part, thedisscussion here is onAriel Sharon not the syriansor the phalangeor any other group. If you would like we could discuss that on another thread, but this thread has the topic of "Sharon War Criminal".
The fact remains that Ariel Sharon did not do enough to stop people that he was in charge of being killed. On the contrary the IDF threw flares all through the night to help light the way for the phalange.
There is substantial evidence to call for Sharon to be tried in front of an International court. As was said on the BBC programme.

Arafat? I personaly think he is a bad apple and he could be up for some very nasty crimes, however im not sure if war crimes are one of them. Maybe you could enligten me. I would prefer though that you did this on another thread, as i said before the subject of this disscussion is Ariel Sharon.


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  He did not commit THAT war crime.
 
 
 
  oh really he did not commit that crime ?
 
  was Sharon the man in charge of that area ? the answer is yes he was.
 
  according to Geneva conventions and International law the person in charge is
  the one responsible when the land is occupied by a forigen force. Even though
  he did not do it himself, the safety of civilians and militray personal
  arrested are his responsibiliity.
 

Did you bother to read part2 of what I posted or do you just like
going in circles?

Sharon gave orders to protect non-combatants. This from one of the men
who did the killing.

Did you read what Hamas said?

By the way, do you think that Arafat is a war criminal?

J2

 
 
  There will ALWAYS be war crimes in war. ALWAYS The solution is to not
  allow wars to get started.
 
 
 
  yes that is true, but once the crime has been committed the perpetrator should
  bd brought to trial and punished for his crimes.
 
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[CTRL] Dirty Dollaring

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From
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According to a graphic at the site, the following are on the B-list:

Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Cook Islands, Dominica, Israel, Lebanon, Liechtenstein,
Marshall Islands, Nauru, Niue (sp?), Panama, Philippines, Russia, St Kitts  Nevis,
and St Vincent and the Grenadines.

}}Beginning paragraph only
The dirt on money laundering
Jun 21st 2001
From The Economist Global Agenda
An international task force is preparing to add more countries to its list of money-
laundering black spots. Its tough approach is beginning to have some effect

NAMED and shamed, very probably; but what will they do about it? Six countries are
likely to find themselves added to the money-laundering blacklist compiled by the
Financial Action Task Force (FATF), which is meeting this week in Paris. Egypt,
Guatemala, Hungary, Indonesia, Myanmar and Nigeria are likely to join the list,
while the Bahamas, Liechtenstein, the Cayman Islands and Panama may find themselves
released from it for good behaviour. This marks something of a triumph for the FATF,
which is trying to tackle a problem of vast proportions. Some $500 billion-1.5
trillion a year (equivalent to 1.5-4.5% of gross world product) generated by illegal
activities is washed through the banking system, according to estimates by the
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible ...

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They are Israelis. And the West Bank, 
and Gaza are territories that were lost to Israel in a war with Arab Palestine
A.K.A. Jordan, who was warned not to attack Israel during the Six Day War.
They are not " occupied " by Israel. They are occupied by a conquered enemy
population. Losers can't be choosers.

How come no one is asking the USA to return Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New
Mexico, and California to Mexico??? And, the rest of the country to the

Indians? How come you are not? 


Sorry buddy, the above statement is wrong. 
It is true that Israel did conquer 'that' land, however i have to point out that under international law (Geneva convention) and under the UN Security Council Resolution 242the law "prohibits the expansion of any nation’s territory by military force"
This law was basically created after the defeat of Nazi Germany, but before the creation of the nation of Israel. Basically it was constructed so that no one nation could conquer another and displace the population (as Nazi Germany did with Poland, France etc.)
So you see what was done to the Indians cannot be used in any way as a pretext to what is happening in palestine or in fact any other place on earth. 
Law stands mute in the midst of arms.Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

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Re: [CTRL] Dirty Dollaring

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 http://www.economist.com/agenda/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=664302

 According to a graphic at the site, the following are on the B-list:

 Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Cook Islands, Dominica, Israel, Lebanon, Liechtenstein,
 Marshall Islands, Nauru, Niue (sp?), Panama, Philippines, Russia, St Kitts  Nevis,
 and St Vincent and the Grenadines.

 }}Beginning paragraph only
 The dirt on money laundering
 Jun 21st 2001
 From The Economist Global Agenda
 An international task force is preparing to add more countries to its list of money-
 laundering black spots. Its tough approach is beginning to have some effect

 NAMED and shamed, very probably; but what will they do about it? Six countries are
 likely to find themselves added to the money-laundering blacklist compiled by the
 Financial Action Task Force (FATF), which is meeting this week in Paris. Egypt,
 Guatemala, Hungary, Indonesia, Myanmar and Nigeria are likely to join the list,
 while the Bahamas, Liechtenstein, the Cayman Islands and Panama may find themselves
 released from it for good behaviour. This marks something of a triumph for the FATF,
 which is trying to tackle a problem of vast proportions. Some $500 billion-1.5
 trillion a year (equivalent to 1.5-4.5% of gross world product) generated by illegal
 activities is washed through the banking system, according to estimates by the
 International Monetary Fund.

 clip

 Copyright © 1995-2001 The Economist Newspaper Group Ltd. All rights reserved.

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[CTRL] Mind-Controlled Truck Driver?

[M. F. Abernathy]

-Caveat Lector-

Bizarre events such as this one seem to be taking place with *alarming*
frequency in this country -- WHY!!??! Just three days ago, a man in
Atlanta [who claimed to be an FBI agent] commandeered a construction
crane, and after holding the police at bay for several hours, he
[allegedly] hung himself. He was described as 'mentally ill' [that's
what they ALWAYS say]Something is happening in this country, and if
you know how to read between the lines in stories such as the one below,
it's not too hard to figure out. Mental illness or Mind Control? Read
this story and decide for yourself.

Why aren't law enforcement agencies such as the FBI investigating the
*true* causes of incidents such as this one? Why are people so quick to
label victims of mind control as 'mentally ill'?



http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/31541p-532639c.html


 Trucker wreaks havoc at Long Beach Airport

The Associated Press

LONG BEACH, Calif. (June 23, 2001 11:28 a.m. EDT) - A truck driver
crashed through an airport fence Friday, sped up and down a runway and
flipped the 18-wheeler on its side before stripping off his clothes and
attempting to set his truck on fire, authorities said.

The wreckage of the truck, which was hauling ceramic toilet parts, was
strewn across the main runway at Long Beach Airport, forcing authorities
to divert air traffic to a secondary runway. No one was injured and only
one American Airlines departure had to be delayed, airport spokeswoman
Angela O'Bryant said.

The driver, who was not immediately identified, was arrested and
bomb-sniffing dogs inspected the truck before it was turned upright. The
incident began in midafternoon with a hit-and-run accident near the
airport, some 25 miles south of Los Angeles.

Deputies chased the truck as it weaved along the runway at speeds up to
70 mph, Los Angeles County sheriff's Deputy Richard Westin said. The man
was arrested pending investigation of hit-and-run driving and assault
with a deadly weapon. He was taken to a local hospital for observation.



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Re: [CTRL] Effexorwith Haloperidol and/or Risperidone

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 6/24/01 7:43:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


And frankly if she was having such a tough time with her brood she should've
stopped giving birth like a rabbit

Well, hubby had a little bit to do with that too, keep in mind...

Oh I totally agree, he's not innocent in more ways than one.
It's hard to fathom that he had no idea that she was capable of this type of
atrocity and yet he both contributed to their expanding brood AND he at the
very least accomodated this insane home schooling thing, something that seems
like a major stressor for a fragile and mentally unbalanced mother.

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] Mind-Controlled Truck Driver?

[M. F. Abernathy]

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The cover-up continues! There are two types of explanations that the
authorities usually use to explain away instances of bizarre behavior
caused by mind control: 1.)mental illness and 2.) drug use/abuse. Will
Nathan Woods be given a CAT scan to determine whether he has a mind
control/torture implant? Probably not, it's so much easier to label him
as 'paranoid' and 'delusional' and to say that drug abuse caused this
incident. I wonder if he heard 'voices'? Could that be why he thought
that the truck would blow up?

===

He was just paranoid and kind of delusional, Parker said. He wanted
to turn the truck over, he uttered that the truck was going to blow up.




http://www.press-telegram.com/archive/today/new03.asp

Sunday, June 24, 2001

Naked runway trucker charged

By Kristopher Hanson
Staff writer

LONG BEACH - A truck driver who drove his 18-wheeler onto a Long Beach
Airport runway, rolled it and then ran naked down the tarmac was booked
into the Los Angeles County Jail on a felony assault charge Saturday,
authorities said.  Officials said they believe Nathan Eugene Woods, 43,
of Silverton, Ore., may have been suffering from extreme paranoia
brought on by excessive amphetamine use when he took Los Angeles County
Sheriff's deputies on the wild chase Friday through Lakewood and Long
Beach.

People (who) are strung out on amphetamine, their body temperatures go
up ... they get delusional, said sheriff's Lt. Brett Parker. That may
be why he stripped naked.

The chase ended after Woods crashed the big rig and its load of
porcelain bathroom fixtures through a fence at the Long Beach Airport,
drove onto the main runway, flipped the truck, tried to light the cab
vehicle on fire, stripped and ran. After Long Beach Airport police
arrested Woods, authorities took him to Long Beach Memorial Medical
Center for mental evaluation and then transferred him to the Lakewood
Sheriff's Station jail, where he was held on $50,000 bail for assault
with a deadly weapon on a peace officer, Parker said.

Woods' erratic behavior during the chase led officials to believe he may
have been using drugs, Parker said. A search of the big rig turned up
cocaine and hash pipes in the cabin area, Parker said. He was just
paranoid and kind of delusional, Parker said. He wanted to turn the
truck over, he uttered that the truck was going to blow up.
Later Saturday, Woods was taken to the Twin Towers County Jail facility
in downtown Los Angeles to await a court hearing. His daughter called
earlier (Saturday) from Oregan and said he had a history of drug abuse,
Parker said. She was concerned about him.


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Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'

[Andrew Hennessey]

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it was also reported and discussed on local radio
Radio Forth -
You are totally wrong to suggest I derive my source from that story - you
are misrepresenting me for YOUR own ends

methinks thou dost protest too loudly


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 - Original Message -
 From: Don Daniels
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'


 This is totally crazy.
 yes, it is... unbelievably so!

 It looks like the British Isles have gone politically-correct bonkers.
  if andrew is to be believed, that is.


 well actually the post was, as all andrew's postings, a tissue of
lies.
 homophobic shite.
 below is the news story he was misrepresenting for his own political ends.

 ~~
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_694000/694638.stm

 Wednesday, 29 March, 2000, 11:27 GMT 12:27 UK

 New blue hue to 'pink triangle'



 The gay community tends to be wary of reporting attacks

 A Scottish police force has launched a campaign to strengthen links with
the
 local gay community.
 The initiative by Lothian and Borders Police aims to persuade gay and
 lesbian members of the community that they will be treated equally by the
 force.
 At the same time, police say they will recognise the gay community has
 special concerns and different needs.
 Among the measures being introduced are specially-trained officers to work
 with gay people and a higher police profile in areas of the city where
there
 is a greater proportion of gay residents.
 Efforts to promote a better mutual understanding and increased confidence
 will focus on the area around the city's Broughton Street, known as
 Edinburgh's pink triangle.
 Other measures include:
 A dedicated police surgery based in Broughton Street which will run for a
 one-year trial period
 Contact telephone numbers for community officers to be handed out to all
gay
 venues in poster format and on flyers
 Letters to all licencees in the Greenside/Broughton Street areas
 highlighting increased police attention aimed at building community
 relations
 Crime prevention visits to pubs, clubs and restaurants in the area
 Literature on crime reporting, domestic violence and police services for
 local businesses
 Advertising of police services through the gay press
 External training inputs for police officers
 Consideration to be given to anonymous remote reporting.
 Police in Edinburgh acknowledge that the gay community in the city has
less
 confidence in the force than others in the capital.
 They may be targetted by criminals because of their sexuality, and they
are
 less likely to report attacks against them.
 As a result, police are not given a full picture of the extent of
homophobic
 incidents, while those responsible for such attacks are not caught.



 The move is a drive towards greater trust

 Consideration is now being given to enabling victims to report incidents
 anonymously.
 Chief Superintendent Malcolm Dickson, who will oversee the operation,
said:
 At present we know there is a problem with under-reporting of crimes for
a
 number of different reasons.
 Some victims are not in a position to say openly that they are gay and
 therefore that the crime may have been motivated for that reason.
 Others may be reluctant to be tagged as a victim of homophobic crime.
 'It's a long road'
 He added that, ideally, the force wanted all crime victims to come forward
 but he acknowledged that not everyone felt that they could.
 It's a long road. In many respects we are lucky, we have a focussed,
 well-established community and we are used to their presence and the
 policing issues that are thrown up.
 In that respect we may be ahead of other police forces but there is still
a
 long way to go and we are constantly refining our approach and, I'd like
to
 think, improving our skills in relating to the gay community.
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Re: [CTRL] British slaughter of animals defied expert advice to government

[Andrew Hennessey]

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  This has simply wiped out the rural economy making
  the UK more dependent on Europe -


 total bullshit andrew. less than 2% of the uk stock was killed

I love those stats things - where do you get them -
I would have to say that with the superinflated price of diesel
and the general cost of living - masses of disenfranchised
farmers protesting all over the place has to be telling you
something.

andrew



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Re: [CTRL] new straight police unit prosecutes lilith

[Andrew Hennessey]

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by the way mr C
the next time you call me a liar - better have more rational grounds for
doing so. You presumed I was quoting that article, you know what they say
about assume - it makes an ass out of you and out of me :)
But then you're the  person that believes the demon lilith whose sole
mission in life is to destroy men by temptation,
and as the Book Of Josephus describes was forceably restrained by three
angels from her dark mission, is the good fairy godmother that you should be
introducing young kids [yours?] to.
In germany, there was a folk saying or prayer made by the peasants at
night - let adam and eve be here and X,Y,Z the three angels who will protect
them from the evils of Lilith


- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'


 -Caveat Lector-

 it was also reported and discussed on local radio
 Radio Forth -
 You are totally wrong to suggest I derive my source from that story - you
 are misrepresenting me for YOUR own ends

 methinks thou dost protest too loudly


 - Original Message -
 From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Don Daniels
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 9:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] new gay police unit prosecutes 'homophobes'
 
 
  This is totally crazy.
  yes, it is... unbelievably so!
 
  It looks like the British Isles have gone politically-correct bonkers.
   if andrew is to be believed, that is.
 
 
  well actually the post was, as all andrew's postings, a tissue of
 lies.
  homophobic shite.
  below is the news story he was misrepresenting for his own political
ends.
 
  ~~
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_694000/694638.stm
 
  Wednesday, 29 March, 2000, 11:27 GMT 12:27 UK
 
  New blue hue to 'pink triangle'
 
 
 
  The gay community tends to be wary of reporting attacks
 
  A Scottish police force has launched a campaign to strengthen links with
 the
  local gay community.
  The initiative by Lothian and Borders Police aims to persuade gay and
  lesbian members of the community that they will be treated equally by
the
  force.
  At the same time, police say they will recognise the gay community has
  special concerns and different needs.
  Among the measures being introduced are specially-trained officers to
work
  with gay people and a higher police profile in areas of the city where
 there
  is a greater proportion of gay residents.
  Efforts to promote a better mutual understanding and increased
confidence
  will focus on the area around the city's Broughton Street, known as
  Edinburgh's pink triangle.
  Other measures include:
  A dedicated police surgery based in Broughton Street which will run for
a
  one-year trial period
  Contact telephone numbers for community officers to be handed out to all
 gay
  venues in poster format and on flyers
  Letters to all licencees in the Greenside/Broughton Street areas
  highlighting increased police attention aimed at building community
  relations
  Crime prevention visits to pubs, clubs and restaurants in the area
  Literature on crime reporting, domestic violence and police services for
  local businesses
  Advertising of police services through the gay press
  External training inputs for police officers
  Consideration to be given to anonymous remote reporting.
  Police in Edinburgh acknowledge that the gay community in the city has
 less
  confidence in the force than others in the capital.
  They may be targetted by criminals because of their sexuality, and they
 are
  less likely to report attacks against them.
  As a result, police are not given a full picture of the extent of
 homophobic
  incidents, while those responsible for such attacks are not caught.
 
 
 
  The move is a drive towards greater trust
 
  Consideration is now being given to enabling victims to report incidents
  anonymously.
  Chief Superintendent Malcolm Dickson, who will oversee the operation,
 said:
  At present we know there is a problem with under-reporting of crimes
for
 a
  number of different reasons.
  Some victims are not in a position to say openly that they are gay and
  therefore that the crime may have been motivated for that reason.
  Others may be reluctant to be tagged as a victim of homophobic crime.
  'It's a long road'
  He added that, ideally, the force wanted all crime victims to come
forward
  but he acknowledged that not everyone felt that they could.
  It's a long road. In many respects we are lucky, we have a focussed,
  well-established community and we are used to their presence and the
  policing issues that are thrown up.
  In that respect we may be ahead of other police forces but there is
still
 

Re: [CTRL] SFLR news - reader response - about government mind control

[Smart News]

-Caveat Lector-

Dear list,

Please find an excerpt form the newsletter below.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick


This may be heavy for survivors of abuse and mind control.


SFLR News
The newsletter of San Francisco Liberation Radio
Saturday, June 23, 2001

San Francisco Liberation Radio, 93.7 FM
Broadcasting 4 p.m. - 11 p.m. nightly, 12 midnight on Saturdays,
In Western San Francisco

In this Issue:

1. Reader Response to Our Last Newsletter
*

1. Reader Response to Our Last Newsletter
 By Richard Edmondson

Our last issue of the SFLR News, entitled The Keys to Hell and Death,
prompted more response than any we've ever put out. Likewise with regard to
the event we sponsored on May 26, Mind Control, the Media, and the CIA.

One of those who replied was Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino, a retired
U.S. Army Reserve officer who has worked extensively in military
intelligence, particularly in the field of psyops, or psychological
warfare.

Aquino, whose home was raided fourteen years ago by San Francisco police in
connection with the Presidio child molestation case, is also mentioned
prominently in the book TRANCE-Formation of America, by Cathy O'Brien and
Mark Phillips. Aquino was never charged in the Presidio case. (Our last
issue of the SFLR News, which came out in two parts, can be seen at
http://www.liberationradio.net/SFLR_News_5-21-01.html, and
http://www.liberationradio.net/SFLR_News_5-22-01.html .Aquino's response, in
its entirety, can be viewed below.)

O'Brien and Phillips were speakers at the aforementioned May 26 event.

Thank you for the invitation, but my interest here is simply to convey
accurate information to you, Aquino wrote to us in an email response to our
invitation for an interview.

We had offered Aquino airtime on San Francisco Liberation Radio to discuss
the charges raised against him by O'Brien--particularly with regard to his
alleged involvement in a reputed government mind-control program known as
Project Monarch.

As far as I know, it (Project Monarch) is the purely fictional invention of
the lunatic fringe, Aquino wrote.

He added:

As you know, and particularly where government classified projects are
concerned, it's impossible to 'prove a negative.' Even for persons with
top-level security clearances, there is a 'need to know' requirement, i.e.
compartmentalization.

So I cannot say that 'there is not  never has been a program code-named
Monarch', because I obviously do not have access to anything like a
'master code-name directory.'

What I *can* tell you is that I've been involved in the PSYOP community of
the Army and other national intelligence agencies/departments since I was
commissioned in 1968, and I have never once heard of anything in/of/by the
government with that name, or under any name using children as pawns or
experiments. I frankly think that anything like that would be such an
outrage that it would never even be proposed, much less implemented. I have
to wonder at the perverted sense of fantasy of persons who would dream
something like this up just for a little conspiracy-subculture media
glamour.

But apparently not everyone in the government would regard such use of
children (in mind-control experimentation) to be quite as much of an outrage
as would Aquino.

Both Alexander Cockburn and Alston Chase have written about experiments
performed on Theodore Kaczynski in 1958--when Kaczynski, who later became
the Unabomber, was a 16-year-old undergraduate at Harvard. (See Cockburn's
article in the L.A. Times, July 6, 1999, p. B5, and the Chase piece in the
June, 2000 issue of The Atlantic. Also see
http://www.counterpunch.org/tedk.html, and
http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2000/06/chase.htm .)

In addition, Cockburn, in a separate article in Counterpunch, also discusses
the case of Dorothy Proctor, who was allegedly fed LSD at the age of 17 in a
CIA program involving hundreds of prisoners in Canada. (see
http://www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html, ).

According to Cockburn, the LSD for some of the experiments as well as
funding for the research was provided by the CIA and the Canadian Defense
Department.

Our last newsletter contained a retrospective of the Presidio case, quoting
from newspaper reports from the time, as well as an examination of some of
the separate charges raised in the TRANCE book, which include allegations of
sexual abuse of children under government auspices.

Aquino responded with a highly detailed, virtually point-by-point rebuttal
(see below) of the portion of our newsletter which had dealt with the
Presidio case, but made no mention of that part which had quoted from the
book.

In my opinion [and apparently those of the numerous other personalities and
public officials mentioned in it], it is an obvious crank book, and as such
does not deserve the dignity of attention or rebuttal, Aquino wrote in
reply to our request for clarification on the omission.

But it turns out that 

Re: [CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

[Xxx Yyy]

-Caveat Lector-

 and your ignorance matches
  that of any who will not learn from studying history.
  J2: You mean I have to study history, but you don't have to know shit about
 biology? That seems unfair.

I does seem to bother you that I studied biology before it was taught by
Humpty Dumpty teachers to people like you.  As Humpty would say based on the
following:  A fetus isn't a developing human and an embryo isn't a
developing human even if the dictionary says that is what the words mean
because I say so.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it
means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many
different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master - that’s all.”

  Do read a few books
  dealing with the history of the early eugenics movement, note how these
  positions coincided with the Darwinian view of cultures, read the book
Modern
  Fascism  by Gene Veith and then understand that not everyone is taken in by
  the slicksters of the population control movement with their definitions of
  who is human.

J2:  I am against the population control movement.

Does that term also mean what you want it to mean?

  If this is the case, I apologize
  and understand you need time to grow up.

 Thank you. I accept your apology.

I'm glad you have now acknowledged your intellectual age.

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[Kris Millegan]

 The Covert War Against Rock
 Book Review
 by Jaye C. Beldo
 Anonymous Magazine
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 Think you've got the  scoop on the deaths of Tupac Shakur and Notorious
 B.I.G.?  If you're getting your info from Corporate controlled media, what
 you've been fed is most likely more of the same canned lies dished out on a
 daily basis. However, thanks to the efforts of Alex Constantine, one of the
 foremost conspiracy writers going and author of such compelling titles as
 Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. and Virtual Government (put out by Feral
 House: www.feralhouse.com), the mysteries behind the demise of these stars and
 others such as Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley is cleared up once
 and for all.   Constantine unveils a music industry controlled by a Mafia
 with CIA, FBI and NSA connections so powerful that any maverick musician who
 dares to confront the powers that be ends up getting iced in the most
 unsavory of ways. The author exhibits much courage in describing  the deaths
 of rebellious rock stars through the thoroughness of his research and
 documentation of the testimony  provided by those who personally knew and
 worked with the musicians included in the book.
 One of the more harrowing chapters in The Covert War Against Rock  is
 that devoted to Reggae superstar Bob Marley who passed away on May 11, 1980.
 Surviving an attempt on his life by a well armed death squad at his Hope Road
 home in Jamaica,  Bob was later given a 'gift'  of a new pair of boots by
 Carl Colby, son of the late CIA director William Colby.   When the
 unsuspecting Marely put  them on , something pricked his foot.  He then
 reached into one of the boots and  pulled out a piece of copper wire.   Many
 of his closest friends suspected that the wire contained some carcinogenic
 substance as Marley contracted cancer shortly thereafter.  It is a well known
 fact that the CIA has often employed  such devious  tactics to silence
 dissidents like the conspiracy researcher Mae Brussels for example, who
 contracted stomach cancer after her lifelong dedication to empirically
 exposing Project Paperclip, a U.S. Government sponsored program which insured
 that top  Nazis scientists were smuggled into the United States shortly after
 WWII to work in mostly the aerospace industries.
 After a heroic bout of non stop touring in spite of the disease and Bob
 refusing to have his leg amputated based on Rastafari creed, he was
 eventually sent to a 'holistic' practitioner, Dr. Josef Issels,  who, as it
 was later ondiscovered, worked at the Auschwitz Concentration camp alongside
 the infamous, as well as inhuman, Dr. Mengeles.  How Marley got linked up
 with a known Nazi doctor is an irony beyond comprehension.   Perhaps it was
 somehow his personal destiny to come face to face with archetypal evil in
 such a way.  I'll spare the reader the horrorific things done to him by this
 so called Doctor in the name of eugenics (genocide) disguised as therapy and
 commend the author for bringing this disturbing information to the public
 domain. 
 Over and over again, Constantine cuts through the malignant allure which
 veils the deaths of celebrities and continues to perpetuate a kind of morbid
 fascination that is fully exploited by mainstream media as a means to
 distract us from the more important political matters at hand.  His book
 offers us a much needed, sobering perspective on the motives behind the
 murders of the rock stars themselves.  While reading The Covert War Against
 Rock, it becomes harder and harder to ignore that the Military-Industrial
 complex is very much threatened by musicians dedicated to raising the
 political awareness of  young people and will do whatever it can to stop
 them. The Covert War Against Rock  should be used as a kind of
 assassination Field Guide for those who want  to head for the front lines and
 'Fight the Power'.  Perhaps then the deaths of the musicians described within
 will not be in vain.
 
 
 Jaye C. Beldo writes for Anonymous, The Konformist, Disinfo.Com and
 elsewhere.  He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ©2001 Jaye C. Beldo

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[Alamaine]

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From
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}}Begin
Microsoft and AOL
From friends to foes
Jun 21st 2001 | SAN FRANCISCO
From The Economist print edition
The two technology giants are set to become bitter enemies

IN 1996, AOL and Microsoft cut a deal that made high-tech history. AOL agreed to
build its service around Microsoft’s web browser, Internet Explorer. In exchange,
Microsoft gave AOL’s software prominence on its Windows operating system. The
arrangement boosted both firms. It helped Microsoft to win the browser war against
Netscape, and it helped AOL to pick up millions of new subscribers. The failure of
the two companies to renew their deal, which was announced on June 16th after weeks
of negotiations, could prove just as significant. It is true that the absence of an
agreement will have only mild short-term consequences: although AOL’s software will
not now be attached to Windows XP, Microsoft’s new operating system, due out on
October 25th, AOL (now AOL Time Warner) can still strike deals with PC makers to
load
the program on to their machines. Rather, the impact will be felt in the long run.
The collapse of the talks could signal the beginning of a titanic battle between the
two firms. Both parties had hoped to gain something from a new agreement. AOL wanted
once more to ensure that its software had top billing on computer screens;
Microsoft’s main objective was to use AOL to gain market share for its W indows
Media
Player, a program that lets PC users listen to music or watch videos. Microsoft
wanted AOL, among other things, to offer its audiovisual content in a format that
can
be played by Windows Media Player. For now , this content works only on software
provided by RealNetworks. Why the negotiations failed depends on whom you ask. AOL
says it was because Microsoft wanted to banish RealNetworks’ music-and-video program
from AOL software so that Microsoft could gain “as much control of music on the
 Internet as possible”. Nonsense, retorts Microsoft. Several issues led to the
 collapse of the negotiations, it says, not least that AOL refused to make its
 instant-messaging service inter-operable with Microsoft’s becaus
e it hopes to continue to dominate this technology.
Spinning aside, the convergence of software and online services has put the two
companies on a collision course that makes it hard to cut deals. Microsoft, having
realised that winning the browser war was not enough to gi ve it control of the
Internet, is increasingly encroaching on AOL’s territory. Windows XP comes bundled
with many of the services AOL offers, including new instant-messaging features. The
battle could turn bloody. Much of it may be fought not in the marketplace, but in
court. According to AOL insiders, the firm had agreed not to sue Microsoft on
antitrust so long as the two companies had a technology-s wapping pact. Now it is
free to let its lawyers loose. Only recently, AOL gave warning that Microsoft was
again abusing its Windows monopoly to push into new markets. A similar claim set off
the government’s big antitrust
 trial against the software giant (in which the appeals court is expected to rule
any
day now). If war now looks inevitable, it is also unfortunate. A clash between AOL
and Microsoft would be bad for consumers, because it could leave them having to
grapple with competing standards. PC users want to see the two companies developing
common technical rules and competing on implementation, rather than each trying to
dominate the standard for online music, instant messaging and so on. Sadly, that
looks less likely than ever.

Copyright © 1995-2001 The Economist Newspaper Group Ltd. All rights reserved.


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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Forbidden Politics

[Kris Millegan]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the list and haven't had time to read much
of your posts yet (i've been busy on my web site).

Anyway, the following might be of interest since it deals with
Mormons and the Mormons are grossly over-represented in the CIA. Are
Mormon/SBC missionaries used as drug couriers? Who knows? All I know
is that Reagan used them in the 1980s to subvert the leftist in
Nicaragua.

Have fun!

FORBIDDEN POLITiCS JULY UPDATE
*

The Southern Baptist Convention organized in 1845 because it wanted
to support the established practice of slavery in the United States.
Using the Bible as their cornerstone, they preached vicious sermons
glorifying the need for the continued enslavement of humans across
the United States and the globe.

After the United States Civil War, the SBC grew in strength and
numbers and continued to spread their gospel of hate to the masses.
Many of its members helped establish the Ku Klux Klan and
participated in lynch parties where African Americans were
disemboweled, hanged, and then burned at the stake for their holy
amusement.

Today the SBC is the largest Baptist group in the United States. They
have missionaries across the globe spreading their leaders'
doctrines. But who are these people? What are their true beliefs? Why
do they continue to dominate United States politics? And why is their
leadership filled with Freemasons?

Explore these issues and more with the new update of the Forbidden
Politics site. We're at:
http://forbiddenpolitics.i8.com/

Also...
We've updated our Mormon page with various articles about the current
state of Mormonism in the world. Here you will find information on
the elusive Mormon missionaries. You'll find solid links between
these Mormon ultra-faithful and the CIA, Nicaragua in the 1980s,
blood atonement, arson, Freemasons, and child molesters, child
molesters, child molesters.

We've also made a page critiquing the art of Mormons in the hopes of
creating an understanding of the enigma that is the Mormon mind. Are
they true believers or just another mind-controlled establishment
version of Plato's ultimate warrior race? You decide.

Enjoy!
-Forbidden Politics Staff

NOTE: Forbidden Politics does not endorse ANY religion. We apologize
if our tone or facts discredit your current belief system. But isn't
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