date:20010701


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On 1 Jul 01, at 2:09, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 Maybe this author of the following sees what I saw?  Let Our
 Children Go or the Wrath of God will fall upon these sick perverted
 twisted people.The Plague of Aids is Upon Them.

I think hate-filled people who judge others should be sodomized by their
Priest while reciting 500 Hail Marys.

Steve


 (Just kidding. ;)

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[CTRL] ABCNews: Levy Investigation Broadens; FBI Seeks Interview With Congressman's Wife

2001-07-01 Thread MIKE SPITZER


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http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/levy_update010628.htm
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Levy Investigation Broadens

FBI Seeks Interview With Congressman's Wife

ABCB News


W A S H I N G T O N, June 28 - As the FBI seeks to interview the wife of
Rep. Gary Condit about missing intern Chandra Levy, ABCNEWS has been
provided an exclusive look at what the congressman claims to have been
doing in the days surrounding the disappearance.

With few new leads turning up in Washington, the search for clues appears
to be picking up on the West Coast.

The FBI, which is handling aspects of the investigation beyond the nation's
capital, have interviewed California friends and neighbors of Levy in
recent days. They also are planning to talk to Carolyn Condit, the wife of
Democratic Rep. Gary Condit.

The congressman, who has been the subject of intense public speculation
since Levy's disappearance on April 30, has released prepared statements
calling her a good friend. Levy's parents suspect their 24-year-old
daughter may have been having an affair with the 53-year-old congressman.

His aides have denied the two were dating. Condit steadfastly refuses to
comment publicly about the former Federal Bureau of Prisons intern, who
hails from his Northern California district.

Police Deny Condit Told Them of Breakup

Condit did tell police that his wife, who lives in Ceres, Calif., had
visited Washington and stayed at his apartment during the final week before
Levy's disappearance. The FBI now wants to ask Mrs. Condit whether she saw
or talked to Levy while in town.

For the first time, details are emerging about what Condit claims to have
been doing during the week his wife visited and Levy disappeared.

A source close to Condit has provided a detailed schedule of the time
between April 28 and May 3, the time his wife was in Washington. The
calendar portrays Condit as a busy man, with each day with a packed
schedule of activities from morning until night.

On April 30, the date of Levy's last known appearance, Condit's staff
picked him up for work in the morning. The congressman's staff says he does
not have a car in Washington. According to this timeline, Condit then
attended a lunchtime event at the White House, worked out of his Capitol
Hill office and wound down the evening at home with his wife.

The next day began again with a ride to work and ended with his wife at
home, with a series of meetings and appointments in between.

Though several newspapers and a cable network are reporting that Condit
told police he ended a close friendship with Levy in the days before she
vanished, and that she was in a distraught emotional state, high-level
police sources have denied those reports.

We don't know where they got that, one source said, echoing denials from
Condit's staff and from another well-placed police source. We don't know
where they got that and it's not true!

In fact, sources tell ABCNEWS, Condit shed no new light on his relationship
with Levy last weekend in his second interview with police.
In the first interview, police said, Condit had strongly suggested there
was no relationship with Levy.

Police have consistently said that Condit is not a suspect in the
disappearance, which remains classified as a missing persons investigation.
Though the search for clues is being headed up by homicide detectives,
police say they have found no evidence that a crime was committed.

Levy was last seen on April 30, when she canceled a gym membership. Her
last known communication with friends or family - an e-mail to her
parents - was received the morning of May 1.


ABCNEWS' Pierre Thomas, Mike Gudgell, Mary Walsh and Brian Hartman
contributed to this report.


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Re: [CTRL] White House irritated over surgeon general's report on sex

2001-07-01 Thread tribalzidane


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:11:53 -0700, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:

 The president thinks abstinence education is important, Bush spokesman
 Ari Fleischer said Friday in response to Satcher's report, which called on
 communities to provide lifelong sex education, encouraging abstinence as
 well as birth control. Satcher also said Americans should develop greater
 understanding toward gays and lesbians.

Yet further evidence of the government's love of population control.  If it
were not for immigration, American population would be on the decline.  I
think that's taking affirmative action too far.

 Fleischer refused to say whether Bush stood behind Satcher, though he
 routinely offers endorsements of other personnel. In this case, he said,
 the surgeon general was not appointed by this administration.

 Officials later said Fleischer was expressing Bush's disappointment in
 Satcher, though they are not likely to seek his resignation.

Bush's disappointment?  As if he has the credentials to judge decisions and
statements made by the surgeon general?

Damaeus

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Re: [CTRL] SFBG: FOOD FIGHT

2001-07-01 Thread tribalzidane


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:02:24 -0700, MIKE SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article 007401c101b0$5928c300$11888cd1@Pmrufomm, which said:

 These are traditional Texas recipes, but with a special twist,
 explained White House chef Daniel Arreido, who also indicated that the
 Bush family likes to drink milk containing rBGH, a genetically
 engineered bovine growth hormone.

 According to several environmental and science groups, rBGH may be
 linked to human breast, colon, and prostate cancer.  This artificial
 bovine growth stimulant is banned in Europe, Japan, New Zealand, and
 Canada, but not in the United States, where it is widely employed by
 dairy companies to pump up milk production and profits.

And hemp...an antioxident that can help prevent cancer is banned in the
United States.  sigh  Insanity.  Plain insanity.

 A vast, reckless experiment is underway with unknown but possibly
 devastating consequences, and we are the guinea pigs.  No one is certain
 about the long-term health implications of eating foods fortified with
 insecticide implants and other alien genes - and that's why many people
 are worried.  Tinkering with nature could irretrievably alter existing
 species, wreak havoc on diverse wildlife, and set off vexing ecological
 problems such as herbicide- resistant super-weeds, which have already
 begun to sprout on farmland planted with transgenic crops from Monsanto.

By the sweat of your brow shall you eat bread.  We were meant to work for
food, not strip mine it with technology, apparently...given all these new
weeds, bugs and other relative pests.

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Re: [CTRL] Classic

2001-07-01 Thread tribalzidane


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:47:09 -0700, John Cone [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:

 --- Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created
  equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
  rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
  -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among men,
  deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that
  whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is
  the Right of the People to alter or abolish it.  ...
 
  Do we believe that, still?

I believe it, but what would happen if we moved to abolish the government?
Martial law.  Tienneman Square.  The Holocaust.

 Thankyou for posting this Prudy.  It's obvious that most Americans no
 longer believe in, or are even familiar with, these principles.  The
 public schools (government indoctrination centers) and the mass media
 have done a thorough job of erasing these beliefs from the public mind.
 There is a story about old Ben Franklin emerging from the Constitutional
 Convention after the signing.  A woman called out to him: What form of
 government have you given us?  He answered: A Republicif you can
 keep it.  We haven't.  It's gone.

Question is...what comes next?  What is the segue going to be?  I wonder if
we're heading to a time of a major abolishment of the few remaining freedoms
we have.  I'm thinking we are.  It's one of those rock bottom things, kind
of like alcoholics having to hit rock bottom before they can see the light
and turn things around.  Probably society will have to hit rock bottom
before the cat is cornered and it starts hissing and fighting.  It's just a
matter of compromises.  There is a power in place that wants more and more
control, so lawyers battle it out in court and a compromise takes place.
Later there is another compromise as someone, somewhere wants more control,
so we compromise again, each time giving up a little more freedom.

The sad part is that there is little I can do about it by myself.  There is
little we can do, even collectively, as members of this mailing list because
we're really not mainstreamers.  Mainstreamers are so strapped for cash that
mom and dad have to work, the kids are in daycare and everyone is so
exhausted by the time they come home that all they can manage to do is plop
down in front of the TV to absorb a few hours of propaganda before falling
asleep and repeating the same thing until the weekend when some of the
people get drunk, some of the people have sex and the rest just lay around
and recuperate from the hell of the weekdays.

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[CTRL] Echelon Eats Quiche

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--- Forwarded message follows ---
Date sent:  Sun, 01 Jul 2001 02:00:38 +
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Subject:Konformist: Echelon Eats Quiche
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Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
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http://www.konformist.com/2001/echelon-eats-quiche.htm

Echelon Eats Quiche

In late 1999, The Konformist published a list of reputed trigger
words for Echelon, the global electronic surveillance system run (in
the United States, at least) by the National Security Agency, with
help from Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Echelon is
reputed to intercept all electronic transmissions, filtering out
those with particular keywords.

We titled the article Echelon Eats Quiche in honor of one of the
reputed trigger words.We're not quite sure why quiche was on the
list. (One possible explanation: George Bush Sr. is always looking
for new recipes.)

Whatever the case, the list recently was published in the UK
Register. Because of this, we are reprinting the list on The
Konformist webpage. Enjoy.

Rewson, SAFE, Waihopai, INFOSEC, ASPIC, MI6, Information Security,
SAI, Information Warfare, IW, IS, Privacy, Information Terrorism,
Terrorism

Defensive Information, Defense Information Warfare, Offensive
Information, Offensive Information Warfare, The Artful Dodger, NAIA,
SAPM, ASU, ASTS,

National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, SAO, Reno, Compsec,
JICS,

Computer Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, RSP, ISS,
JDF,

Ermes, Passwords, NAAP, DefCon V, RSO, Hackers, Encryption, ASWS,
CUN, CISU,

CUSI, M.A.R.E., MARE, UFO, IFO, Pacini, Angela, Espionage, USDOJ,
NSA, CIA,

S/Key, SSL, FBI, Secert Service, USSS, Defcon, Military, White House,

Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, SALDV, PEM, resta, RSA, Perl-RSA,
MSNBC, bet,

AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX, STARLAN, 3B2, BITNET, SAMU, COSMOS,
DATTA,

Furbys, E911, FCIC, HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, ram, JICC, ReMOB,
LEETAC,

UTU, VNET, BRLO, SADCC, NSLEP, SACLANTCEN, FALN, 877,
NAVELEXSYSSECENGCEN,

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NADIS, NMI, SEIDM, BNC, CNCIS, STEEPLEBUSH, RG, BSS, DDIS, mixmaster,
BCCI,

BRGE, Europol, SARL, Military Intelligence, JICA, Scully, recondo,
Flame,

Infowar, FRU, Bubba, Freeh, Archives, ISADC, CISSP, Sundevil, jack,

Investigation, JOTS, ISACA, NCSA, ASVC, spook words, RRF, 1071, Bugs
Bunny,

Verisign, Secure, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF,
FLiR, JIC,

bce, Lacrosse, Flashbangs, HRT, IRA, EODG, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP,
FINCEN,

FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, site, SASSTIXS, NAVWAN, NRL, RL,
NAVWCWPNS,

NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, SARD, LABLINK, USACIL, SAPT, USCG, NRC, ~,
O,

NSA/CSS, CDC, DOE, SAAM, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC,
CIM, ISN,

DJC, LLNL, bemd, SGC, UNCPCJ, CFC, SABENA, DREO, CDA, SADRS, DRA,
SHAPE,

bird dog, SACLANT, BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, SC, TA SAS, Lander, GSM, T
Branch,

AST, SAMCOMM, HAHO, FKS, 868, GCHQ, DITSA, SORT, AMEMB, NSG, HIC,
EDI,

benelux, SAS, SBS, SAW, UDT, EODC, GOE, DOE, SAMF, GEO, JRB, 3P-HV,
Masuda,

Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, radint, MB, CQB, TECS, CONUS, CTU, RCMP,
GRU,

SASR, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, SART, BBE, STEP, Echelon,
Dictionary,

MD2, MD4, MDA, diwn, 747, ASIC, 777, RDI, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-
11,

EODN, SHS, ^X, Shayet-13, SADMS, Spetznaz, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS,
Halcon,

NSS, Duress, RAID, Uziel, wojo, Psyops, SASCOM, grom, NSIRL, D-11,
DF, ZARK,

SERT, VIP, ARC, S.E.T. Team, NSWG, MP5k, SATKA, DREC, DEVGRP, DSD,
FDM, GRU,

LRTS, SIGDEV, NACSI, MEU/SOC,PSAC, PTT, RFI, ZL31, SIGDASYS, TDM.
SUKLO,

Schengen, SUSLO, TELINT, fake, TEXTA. ELF, LF, MF, Mafia, JASSM,
CALCM,

TLAM, Wipeout, GII, SIW, MEII, C2W, Burns, Tomlinson, Ufologico
Nazionale,

Centro, CICAP, MIR, Belknap, Tac, rebels, BLU-97 A/B, 007,
nowhere.ch,

bronze, Rubin, Arnett, BLU, SIGS, VHF, Recon, peapod, PA598D28,
Spall, dort,

50MZ, 11Emc Choe, SATCOMA, UHF, The Hague, SHF, ASIO, SASP, WANK,
Colonel,

domestic disruption, 5ESS, smuggle, Z-200, 15kg, DUVDEVAN, RFX,
nitrate,

OIR, Pretoria, M-14, enigma, Bletchley Park, Clandestine, NSO, nkvd,
argus,

afsatcom, CQB, NVD, Counter Terrorism Security, Enemy of the State,
SARA,

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COCOT,

NACSI, rhost,

[CTRL] Fwd: Wall Street's Pop: Excerpt from June 2001 (4) IF

2001-07-01 Thread Kris Millegan






Maybe if communities had access to on line technology, education and
capital/jobs based on performance starting in the early ninties, their would
be real economic productivity bottom up.

Also, Wall Street wanted it all killed and American dumbed down.

Here is what they get...




The fall in earnings at investment banks and brokerage houses portends a
severe turndown. Merrill Lynch¹s earnings are off 50%, Goldman Sachs 24% and
Morgan Stanley 36%. The next 90 days will bring some momentous decisions in
the industry. MA is off 40% from last year in the first six months of the
year and IPO¹s 59%. At Morgan Stanley MA fell 55% and IPO¹s 29% and at
Goldman Sachs banking revenues fell 50%. All firms have begun to cut
commissions for brokers usually from 45% to 25%. Worse there is no evidence
it will get better soon and in fact it looks like the situation will worsen.
Merrill had 72,000 brokers last year. We expect 50,000 this year.
Decimalization is bringing about the end of payment for order flow, which we
consider criminal. It will wipe out tens of millions of dollars in payments
now booked each year by on-line brokers. The practice is a definite conflict
of interest by the order taking brokerage, because it penalizes a retail
customer¹s order. Eventually, as spreads close up, market-making brokers
will go out of business and all orders will be posted on an electronic
bulletin board for all to see. You will then sell or buy through your broker
off the board and the cost of the traders will be gone as will their
perpetual shorting.
The SP 500 Index is 23 times projected 2001 earnings and 19.5 times 2002
earnings. We believe the 2001 earnings are inflated by 20% and 2002 by 30%.
Historically the Index has reflected 14 times earnings. Today non-tech
portions of the SP reflect 15 times earnings, but the tech sector is still
30 times. As you can see if we are correct a major correction will take
place in the SP and Dow this year and another correction in 2002.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: June 2001 (4) IF


THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER   30 June 01 - Issue  #4
An international financial, economic, political and social commentary.
Published and Edited by: Bob Chapman  Vol.  5- No. 6-4
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Re: [CTRL] Reptoids and illegal drugs

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i mean the dynasty of james didn't last very long. there was a bit of toing
and froing lineage wise :)

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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reptoids and illegal drugs

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   and became james 1st of england. 

  Yes, thats correct. Of England, i.e., english.

 LOL he was scotlands monarch and became the monarch of scotland and
 england but granted,  it didn't last... and yeah- england is the big

 It didn't? Last I heard the UK was still the UK and the Queen was still
Queen of England, Scotland, Wales and a few other places besides.

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Re: [CTRL] Final word on khyber

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it was a simple play on words. if you knew the film i was referring to
carry on up the khyber you would maybe see why i said it. sorry if it was
oblique :)

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 Khyber is a Hebrew word meaning a fort

 From http://www.afghan-network.net/khyber.html

 Nonetheless, I don't see why a Scot would be wielding an Afghan knife. If
Khyber is a form of dagger or sword, is it a modern brand-name? I used to be
familiar with much of the world's cutlery but don't recall ever coming
across this one.

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[CTRL] MPs under fire for race riots


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MPs under fire for race riots

Damning dossier goes to UN as police probe firebomb attack on Asian family

Martin Bright and Paul Harris
Sunday July 1, 2001
The Observer

British politicians are stoking racial hatred with inflammatory comments on
asylum and immigration, according to an independent report to be put to the
United Nations tomorrow.
As new trouble flared in the north of England yesterday, with an Asian
family of seven fleeing their house which was petrol-bombed as they slept,
Amnesty International and other human rights groups said comments by Labour
and Tory politicians had led to violence against asylum-seekers.
In a damning report to the UN Human Rights Committee, 11 organisations, led
by Liberty, the civil rights group, and including the Law Society and the
Bar Human Rights Committee, say 'politicians and media alike have been
encouraging racist hostility in their public attitudes towards
asylum-seekers'.
They say: 'Such negative presentation of asylum-seekers has not only led to
direct attacks on asylum-seekers, but also an underlying greater hostility
towards all those from ethnic minority communities, and heightened racial
tensions. In our view, the recent race riots in Oldham and Bradford are to
an extent directly linked to the above.'
Jagdesh Patel, of the Monitoring Group, which supports victims of racial
harassment, last night backed the findings: 'There is a marked increase in
reports to our helpline of attacks when politicians make speeches on race
where they blame asylum-seekers for problems.'
But as towns across the North braced for more violence between Asian and
white gangs, Lord Tebbit, the former Tory chairman, said he did not believe
the rhetoric from the main parties had been excessive. 'I am convinced that
the race relations industry is the main recruiting ground for the British
National Party,' he said. 'There is a danger that, if the debate on asylum
is suppressed, it will be continued only on the far fringes of politics.'
Tensions rose after racists fire-bombed the home of the Asian family in the
Lancashire town of Accrington. The family, the youngest of whom is aged
seven, were asleep above the former newsagent's shop when a covering over a
front window was forced open and petrol was poured through and set alight.
The alarm was only raised when the eldest son was awoken by the smell of
smoke. He rushed through the house to alert his family, which will be
rehoused because of the extensive damage to their home.
Police said it was luck that no one was killed. Superintendent David Mallaby
of Lancashire police said: 'This is an appalling incident where an entire
family could have been killed. The whole community should be united in
helping us identify the people responsible for putting children's lives at
risk.'
The arson attack early yesterday followed four petrol bombings in Accrington
on Friday evening against two white-owned businesses, a school and a car.
Two Asian youths were spotted running away from the blazing car, police
said. Police and community leaders have appealed for calm in the town, where
Muslim tombstones were vandalised a week ago.
Council leaders are considering a ban on marches and demonstrations in
Accrington, similar to those in place in Burnley and Oldham.
Firebombers were also at work early yesterday in Burnley, which saw three
nights of rioting last week. An empty Asian-owned greengrocer's shop was
attacked just after midnight and two cars were set on fire. Nick Griffin,
leader of the far-right BNP, blamed the tensions on 'Asian thugs'. His
comments are certain to stoke anger in the town, where more than 4,000 voted
for the BNP in the general election. 'Asian thugs for some years now, in
places like Burnley, have been winding this up by attacking innocent white
people,' he said.
Griffin, who has called for Belfast-style 'peace lines' to keep Asians and
whites apart, was also at the centre of a media row yesterday after plans to
interview him in Burnley on BBC Radio 4's Today programme were axed after
police advice.
But the report to the UN committee will underline fears that the
disturbances in the North are but a symptom of the state of race relations
in Britain. Citing evidence of widespread discrimination against black and
Asian Britons, the authors also express 'deep concern' about the continuing
rise in deaths in prison and the high proportion of black people who have
died in police custody since 1997. The organisations will raise the case of
17-year-old Zahid Mubarak, who died of his injuries after being attacked by
his cellmate in Feltham Young Offenders Institution last March.
They will also discuss the hanging of three black men in Telford,
Shropshire, and the police handling of the case.
In the report, the police are also accused of neglecting ethnic minority
communities and failing to act on the recommendations of the Macpherson
Report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence, the black teenager, in
south-east London .

[CTRL] 'I Was Told To Blow-up Blair', Yugoslav General Claims


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'I Was Told To Blow-up Blair', Yugoslav General Claims
From Ananova
Sunday July 1, 2001 10:52 am
The Yugoslav army's chief of staff claims he was ordered to assassinate Tony
Blair in Macedonia in 1999.
General Nebojsa Pavkovic said the orders came from the top - an apparent
reference to Slobodan Milosevic.
The commander says he was under pressure to blow up Mr Blair's helicopter at
Petrovac airport in Skopje. He didn't do it because he feared civilian
casualties, loss of support from Macedonia and being charged with war
crimes.
Cherie Blair was with her husband on the helicopter at the time, along with
chief of defence staff Sir Charles Guthrie and press secretary Alastair
Campbell.
The attack was to be carried out using a multiple rocket launcher system
capable of firing 288 bomblets at a time from bases in Kosovo at the airport
in Macedonia.
Mr Pavkovic, who is married to a cousin of Mr Milosevic's wife, Mira, said:
We had the possibility to do it and we had the political decision to strike
at the airport when Blair was coming. We knew from our intelligence sources
when he was coming.
I was under pressure to do it since Nato was destroying Yugoslavia. But
since I did not have the precise possibility of monitoring the airport, my
main worry was massive civilian casualties.
Mr Pavkovic is reported by The Sunday Times to have made the claims to two
journalists, Dejan Lukic and Pero Simic, who plan to produce a book called
Milosevic - Rise and Fall.
According to the newspaper, Nato officials and British intelligence sources
had no information at the time about the planned attack, but now consider it
to have been plausible.

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[CTRL] TIME: New Questions About Roger Clinton's Slippery Schemes

2001-07-01 Thread MIKE SPITZER


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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,165992,00.html


A TIME exclusive by Viveca Novak and Michael Weisskopf


New Questions About Roger Clinton's Slippery Schemes

For Clinton pardongate investigators, the former First Brother
is the gift that keeps on giving.


BY VIVECA NOVAK AND MICHAEL WEISSKOPF

PABLO MARTINEZ MONSIVAIS/AP

TIME
Saturday, Jun. 30, 2001


Call him the brother who couldn't shoot straight. While Bill Clinton ran
the nation for eight years, his half brother, Roger, lived in Bill's
shadow. Now Roger is sweating under the hot lights as questions pile up
about whether he had a role in an outrageous array of slippery and
ill-fated schemes ranging from Mafioso pardons to Chinese scooter imports
to Venezuelan coal mines. Though he always seemed to be the slacker
Clinton, Roger now appears to have been a very busy man after all.

For Clinton investigators, Roger is the gift that keeps on giving. Last
week, the House Government Reform Committee wrote him asking about his role
in clemency pleas made by six convicted felons, including Rosario Gambino,
a jailed New Jersey restauranteur reputed to be a soldier in the Gambino
crime family. Committee documents show that Rosario Gambino's daughter
wrote a $50,000 check to one of Roger Clinton's companies in September,
1999, some months after Roger sought leniency from the U.S. Parole
Commission for Rosario, who is serving a 45-year sentence for heroin
trafficking.

More than a year ago, sources told TIME, the FBI learned of Clinton's
efforts with the parole board. Suspicious of his motives, agents wanted to
set up a sting operation. Members of the Clinton-appointed Parole
Commission are said to have asked Justice Department officials to nix the
FBI probe. The Department refused, but that investigation petered out
anyway.

In Bill Clinton's final days in office last January, a White House lawyer
included Rosario Gambino on a list of pardon candidates to be screened by
the Justice Department, documents show. No pardon was granted. But at least
Gambino - the former owner of Valentino's Supper Club of Garden City,
N.J. - seems to have been considered for a pardon.
The White House Counsel's office included Gambino's name on a list of
pardoned candidates to be sent to the DOJ for criminal background checks.
That's more than a handful of other convicts whose lawyers or relatives
sought help from Roger Clinton got out of their deals.

One of them was J.T. Lundy, former head of the famous Calumet Farms who was
sentenced last year to 4 1/2 years in prison for bank fraud. Lundy had
given Roger Clinton a job at his Kentucky race horse stud farm after
Clinton served a prison term in the 1980s for dealing cocaine. By late
1999, Lundy began asking Clinton for help - even before his trial began.
Sources told TIME he suggested Roger try to help delay legal action until
the final days of the Clinton presidency, a time in which presidents
usually grant pardons.

Lundy offered to reward Roger Clinton with stock in a Venezuelan coal deal,
sources told TIME. To protect Clinton from discovery of the payment and
assure it remained tax free, the sources said, Lundy suggested to Clinton
in November, 1999 that Lundy would transfer the stock to a mutual friend,
Dan R. Lasater, a Little Rock financier who was convicted in the mid-1980s
for buying drugs from Roger Clinton. The House committee has obtained
records showing that Clinton deposited in his bank $100,000 in travelers
checks on Nov. 30, 1999, with some of the checks purchased in Venezuela.

Lundy's lawyer, David McGee, told TIME his client had no Venezuelan coal
interests to transfer. But a source close to Lundy said a group of his
friends from Kentucky did, and Lundy hoped they would facilitate a deal
with the president's brother. Roger Clinton's lawyer, Bart Williams, said
his client never received payment from Lundy and never recommended him for
a pardon. Lasater refused comment.

As the days of the Clinton presidency dwindled, Roger Clinton was in great
demand by pardon seekers. Lawyers for two of them shipped documents to
Roger Clinton at the White House in care of the usher's office, sources
said. Neither of them received clemency.

The House committee is not the only investigative body interested in Roger
Clinton and pardons. The office of U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White is examining
allegations by a Texas family that they paid two associates of Roger
Clinton, George Locke and Dickey Morton, more than $200,000 in late 1998 to
have Roger secure a pardon for a relative. Business sources say White also
is focusing on a firm, CLM - for Clinton, Locke  Morton - and the
activities of Locke and Morton. Sources said they invoked Roger Clinton's
name to line up investors for a scheme to import wallboard, scooters and
other products from China. Their pitch: Roger is the president's man in
China, two sources told TIME. Locke and Morton have claimed their Fifth
Amendment right not to talk to

Re: [CTRL] Final word on khyber

2001-07-01 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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sorry but you are a long long way from really understanding
why our strange friend C used the word kyber and the intention
behind it.
He was referring to the film Carry on up the Khyber and because that film
featured
around scotsman with kilts/skirts and naked genitals
the expression 'up yer khyber' became synonymous for anal sex
and consequently of gay interest
you're reading far too much into it :) its just basic 'sex talk'

andrew

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[CTRL] Fw: [isml] PROMETHEISM

2001-07-01 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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Prometheans coming together to breed a new human species with a
higher intellect and love of one's people. A communion of intellect
and beauty for the simple reason that it can be done. This creation
is what gives us purpose and meaning. No other justification is
required for this program to advance our Promethean species.


Principles and Goals

I.We are both a nation and a religion. Whether we will be a
diasporic nation, a nation with boundaries, or both, will depend on
circumstances currently beyond our control. But in the future, a
homeland must be sought for by any means available.

II. Our aim is to create a genetically enhanced race that will
eventually become a new, superior species. In the short-term, this
will be achieved via eugenics and genetic engineering.

III.There are many reasons why we want to achieve this:

a.) Technology has outpaced the human brain in modernization -- we
must now play catchup using eugenics and do it alone if necessary.
b.) The world is caught in a dysgenic trend from which we want to be
freed.
c.) This is a way of maximizing our viability -- the survival and
probability of survival of our genes. A more intelligent species will
be more fit to adapt to new environments and to face new threats and
obstacles.
d.) We see this as the noble thing to do, the idealization of
humanity and beyond-humanity. We seek to bring ourselves closer to
Godhood. Through eugenics and other forms of improvement, we will
bring higher civilization, higher creativity, higher consciousness to
the Universe. What Nature used to do via natural selection, we will
now take into our own hands with directed and deliberate evolution.


IV.   We must not concern ourselves with others that are caught in
the dysgenic cycle. We must only be concerned with the success of
other competing eugenics' programs that will pose a threat to our own
new species, for speciation will not travel along a single vector
when humans compete using the new technologies.

V.   Any eugenics' program has equal validity to use the state's
coercive power to improve human genetic capital. Genetic capital is
now more valuable than land and/or territory aside from some scarce
resources. DNA or genetic capital is the most valuable commodity in
the universe.

VI.   Behavioral tolerance should flow naturally out of a highly
intelligent, eugenic society that is ethically cohesive. It must be
accepting of many different preferences or freedoms of personal
conduct that might offend, but does no harm to the group. That is,
elimination of consensual crimes is a given in a society that through
intelligence and understanding of human behavior in others can
tolerate deviants who do no harm.

VII.   We are not a cult or sect. Our principles are firmly grounded
in empiricism and neo-Darwinism. Our purpose is merely to do what we
believe is noble, using science to create a new human species because
that is what we want to do. No irrational dogma is required or
desired. The eugenic state is a sovereign state, with or without
borders.

VIII.   As creators we do not submit to dogma or blind faith, but
only to empirical knowledge. Likewise, we have no need of holy men,
only wise men. As individuals, we only submit to the goals of the
project, and to nothing else. And in allowing us to be part of the
creation, the group gives back to the individual a sense of purpose
and fulfillment. Eugenic is that which makes us come closer to our
image of god in a technological and ever expanding universe. No
limits, and no regrets.

Rules and Strategies

I.The danger of curing the effects of genetic disease through
postnatal intervention, and the accumulation of bad genes, is
equivalent to allowing toxins to build up in the environment and
curing them with vitamin supplements. Resources must not be wasted on
curing disease when it is more cost effective to merely eliminate the
disease from the genetic capital of the eugenic nation. We can easily
live with numerous minor genetic flaws, but it should never be policy
to correct obviously adverse genetic diseases when they can be
detected and eliminated from the gene pool, even though that is not
our primary goal.

II.Eventually, the goal of a eugenically equalized society is to
displace representative democracy with direct democracy. Only in this
way can the corruption inherent in democracy be eliminated. This
direct democracy requires that all members of society be highly
intelligent and capable of understanding the issues as well as our
elite representatives do now.

III.   Neither any single woman nor man must be forced to procreate
or to spend time raising children. The genes of the group flow in all
of us, and resource acquisition is as important as having children to
the success of the group. That is, it is each person's choice where
to contribute. It may be more beneficial to hire breeders for having
the children rather than force women who prefer an intellectual life
over

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam


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You better buy an American history book that was written at least
50 years ago-if you want any thing near the  truth. Anything written
later than that is a waste of paper.

Generally, true...but ANY history book will show that the American
colonists did NOT 'go to war over the Declaration of Independence' as
Aleisha opined, since the Declaration wasn't written and ratified until
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[CTRL] Delusional am I: Iraq may already have a nuclear bomb


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Iraq's Nuclear Program - Iraq may already have a nuclear bomb

IRAQ NEWS, SUNDAY JULY 1, 2001
Laurie Mylroie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Earlier reports from Iraq News covered the talk which Khidhir
Hamza, a leading scientist in Iraq's nuclear program, gave at the
American Enterprise Institute Jun 20.  Hamza cautioned that Iraq may
already have a nuclear bomb, if it has managed to obtain fissile
material from another country.  Iraq News would like to underscore
this point, as it is the dominant opinion among the experts, but there
seems to be a general state of denial regarding the immediacy of the
problem.

On Jun 14-15, the Institute for Science and International Security
(http://www.isis-online.org ) held a conference on Iraq's nuclear
program.   The dominant view at the conference was:
It has been 2 1/2 years since weapons inspectors were in Iraq. Given
the advanced stage of Iraq's nuclear program, that is a very long time.
The chokepoint in Iraq's program was the fissile material, but if Iraq
has acquired it abroad, no assurances can be given that Iraq has not
produced a nuclear bomb.
Iraq is a big country, roughly the size of California, and the
weapons inspectors were a small group.  Iraq has some 3,000 kilometers
of border, and it is hard to stop smuggling.

Bob Gallucci, UNSCOM's first deputy chairman, now Dean of Georgetown
U's School of Foreign Service, spoke similarly Jun 19 at Carnegie's
non-proliferation conference. Gallucci said the key question regarding
Iraq's nuclear program was the potential availability in the black
market of fissile material from the states of the former Soviet Union.
The US could not have high confidence any longer that Iraq was a
non-nuclear state.

 Yet somehow this is not being absorbed.  At Khidhir Hamza's talk, a
reporter responded to his statement that Iraq could have a nuclear bomb,
by asking when Iraq could obtain a delivery system. Yet Iraq has it now.
Baghdad retains some number of SCUD missiles, which it never turned over
to UNSCOM, as was learned after Hussein Kamil defected in Aug 95.
Similarly, Gerald Steinberg, of Bar-Ilan U., wrote in the Jerusalem
Letter, Jul 1, that Iraq could have nuclear weapons within a year. That
is optimistic. This is not a future danger; it is a present danger.

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[CTRL] Did you read Mike's post Goolie?- FOXNews: War Crime Charges Against Clinton?


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MIKE SPITZER wrote:

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 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,28365,00.html

 Analysis: Door Could Be Open for International War Crime Charges Against
 Clinton

 FOXNews
 Thursday, June 28, 2001
 By Nathan Brown

 Serb authorities are scrambling to respond to the Yugoslavian
 Constitutional Court's freeze on Slobodan Milosevic's extradition.
 Despite the delay, he will likely stand before the International Criminal
 Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, on charges of war crimes.
 More interesting is what Milosevic will not be charged with, and the impact
 on other foreign leaders and military officers around the world.

 In the two years since the Kosovo conflict, there has been little evidence
 produced to prove that the former president did, in fact, commit the
 genocide that NATO claimed justified the war. He will now be charged only
 with war crimes. Ironically, the precedent-setting reduction in charges
 would make it easy for international courts to try a variety of foreign
 leaders and military officers, including Americans.

 The Kosovo indictment includes persecution and seven instances of murder,
 totaling 340 victims. These murders are classified both as alleged war
 crimes -- violations of the codes and practices of war --
 and as crimes against humanity, defined as severe crimes conducted against
 innocents, often outside the context of war.

 But noticeably absent are charges of genocide. This is striking because
 Milosevic's government was blamed for as many as 10,000 killings of ethnic
 Albanians during the opening weeks of the 1999 war for Kosovo. It now
 appears that these mass killings have not been borne out by two years of
 excavations and investigations.

 The charges Milosevic must answer to in The Hague are significantly
 different from the charges of genocide leveled by London and Washington
 just two years ago. During the initial weeks of the war, NATO governments
 claimed that the numbers of ethnic Albanian dead and missing ranged in the
 tens of thousands. Eventually, the accepted number of Albanian dead settled
 around 10,000.

 The ICTY has exhumed about 4,000 bodies to date, according to a
 spokeswoman. However, many of these bodies have not been definitively
 identified, either as non-combatant ethnic Albanians or otherwise. They may
 be casualties of battle, collateral damage or victims of ethnic infighting.
 More Albanian bodies have recently been discovered in Serbia.

 Late in 2000, the ICTY changed its tactic: It shifted from conducting a
 mass search for the killing fields to putting together a case, based on
 available evidence that would convict Milosevic. As a result, the charges
 are certainly somber but of lesser magnitude. Rather than charges of
 genocide, Milosevic would stand trial for war crimes --
 violations of the Geneva Conventions that are comparatively common in
 conflict -- as well as certain crimes against humanity, but not genocide.

 The tribunal is helping to set an important and ironic precedent. By
 dropping the genocide charge, the court has set a relatively undemanding
 hurdle for trying heads of state or military leaders. And the ICTY's most
 serious charges -- crimes against humanity -- are not iron-clad in the
 sense that the crimes are not on the scale of, say, Nazi Germany or
 Imperial Japan.

 As a result, the threshold for crimes against humanity -- and their
 ferocity -- have been signficantly lowered. If an unpopular but
 democratically elected former leader like Milosevic can be indicted,
 extradited and tried for these crimes, so can many other political leaders
 in a variety of governments around the world.

 Every leader who has sent troops into conflict is liable for civilian
 deaths or excessive force. The potential list ranges from influential
 figures like Russian President Vladimir Putin, for Chechnya, to
 lesser-known leaders like Mozambique's Joaquim Chissano, who presided over
 his own country's civil war and remains in power.

 On this front, Americans may have some of the greatest legal exposure.
 Former President Clinton ordered U.S. operations in Kosovo, Somalia,
 Afghanistan and Sudan -- all of which resulted in civilian deaths. U.S.
 military officers may face additional legal exposure abroad, as would
 officers in the Canadian, British and Nordic militaries who contribute
 forces to peacekeeping operations.

 The one significant trouble international courts will have in enforcing
 this precedent is the lack of an executive arm with which to reach out and
 grab suspects. No court in the world has the ability to coerce China,
 Russia or the United States to hand over a current or former leader. They
 enjoy much more political power than does a country like Chile, unable to
 gain the release of former President Augusto Pinochet.

 The indictment process is likely to become more institutionalized. A
 permanent international war crimes tribunal, sponsored by the United
 Nations, is likely to

Re: [CTRL] Zionists Disregard Sharon's War Crimes At Their OwnRisk


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Aleisha Saba wrote:

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 Wouldn't it be wonder if this entire matter would be answered in a court
 of law?

 Lost boundaries - to use the bible - isn't it the goal of Nationalism to
 restore lost boundaries, return to secular education, etc., etc., at
 least this was athe goal of the Mau Mau's and Jomo Kenyatta who operated
 it seems from a masonic hallplayed the role of a Moses (wonder when
 Gay Pride will come up with their Gay Moses to lead them through the
 promised land, etc etc etc).

 Since all this stuff is supposed to be God's Plan depending whose God it
 will be - and the greatest Judge of all, is to be God -  and since they
 say these wars are religious wars (what a crock) why not decide using
 the bible and lost boundaries who gets what.

 Never liked religion much - appreciated the knowledge in the bible -
 Sigmund Freud stole a lot of knowledge from the bible without due credit
 - but why not let these religious leaders get together and kick the
 politicians the hell out, and let them make peace.

 Prince Faisal and I repeat this told us that day in August of 1967 (when
 his father the King opened his big royal mouth and got into trouble)
 that the domestic jew and domestic moslem and all semites and christians
 in holy land could live in peace but the European Zionist would not let
 them.

 Keeping in mind that God gave Ishmael all that oil when he was kicked
 out and sent into the desert..for God promised to make him a great
 nation too?

 Of course - when they say Chosen People I always say, Chosen For What -
 Death?

Don't hold your breath Saba. You'll never live to see it. Israel will go
the way of all nations eventually, but it won't be anytime soon.

J2


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Re: [CTRL] NM: Legal Expert: Roger Clinton Not Far From Indictment


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 Does anyone know what the crime is supposed to be?
Prudy

First Count:  Extortion
Second Count:  Theft by deception.
Third Count:  Congenital sleaze
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Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist, Charged With Murder


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This displays the point that rape is not a crime about sex, but a crime
of power and control and dominance, and hate against women, where sex is
the main weapon, any traditional weapons such as guns or knives that are
utilized actually being only secondary adjuncts to facilitate utilizing
the primary weapon of sex.

Castrating such individuals will not necessarily solve anything (although
in theory I have no problem with it as a possible deterrent if it was a
punishment doled out by official representatives of the state), as these
individuals still have the primary issues of their obsessive need to
dominate and 'punish' women...


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Re: [CTRL] Did you read Mike's post Goolie?- FOXNews: War Crime Charges Against Clinton?


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And then there is this matter of the Chinese Embassy blown up by NATO -
how is that for diplomatic immunity?

Chinese accepted humble apologies.

Now Osama bin Laden - hiding in Afghanistan - ex CIA asset - helped
build maybe the Saudi Arabian Embassy maybe for he built a lot of othr
buildings, mosques, etc.   And then they kick him out?

So, the Sword of Osama bin Laden - Vengeance is Mine - and it will be
interesting now to see how our Leaders like being drawn to a higher
(though illegal) court, where they could be shot at sunrise, stoned to
death,  hanged, drawn and quartered, and charged with stealing, murder,
inciding to riot, dropping big bombs for TV Show, etc, etc etc.

I am all for the War Criminal Charges - and hey maybe we can get Janet
Reno for War declared in American on Waco?

But wait a minute - WAR CRIMINALS

We have not had a declaration of war since WWII and that war was
provided by bombing Pearl Harbor and it was then self defense, for as
Clinton said once - let them get the first shot..

Well that Clinton was pretty good at getting the first shot; what I love
is they cannot involve congress, or can they - who financed those
police actions??   International Bankers, for as I said previously
one does not go to a pawn broker to finance a war, they go to a banker
..

And please let us leave religion out of this?

These our Humanitarians With Big Whipe and Bombs Wars.

Pardon, police actions.tell me did Sharon ever declare War - a
legal War?   Were these not all Civil Wars and nobody's business but
their own

Now the daggers is a symbol of vengance and I imagine the whole Arab
State is out sharpening their swords and daggers, while nobody over here
is at this point in time, beating any plouoghshares into swords to go to
war for the likes of the UN???

Come to think of it the biggest War Criminal of all is that peaceful,
Secretary of the UN?   Now he has declared War of AIDS and needs
billions of dollars but hey, they got the first shot for first came the
AIDS attack of the UN.

Saba

Maybe Sadaam Hussein will come out smelling as a Rose?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam


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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
Now Benjamin Franklin and William
Hogarth  see their hand in this document for this Article I, Section 8

The Declaration of Independence doesn't have any Articles or Sections...


you can be sure - well look at all the stuff Benjamin Franklin invented
even unto almost getting knocked on his can with a kite...

Franklin 'invented' nothing with his infamous experiment, neither the
kite, the key, nor the theory that prompted his experiment.  Such
experiments had been done throughout Europe for more than a decade before
Franklin's attempt, and he was merely trying to recreate what had already
been done.

But Franklin was his own best publicist, and succeeded in 'selling' the
idea that he'd 'discovered' something that no one else had...

Because the other experimenters had only published their findings in
obscure scientific journals; Franklin trumpeted his feat to the general
public...   ;-)



Finally, a decade of conflicts between the British government and the
colonists, beginning with the Stamp Act crisis in 1765, led to the
outbreak of war in 1775 and the Declaration of Independence in 1776.

So you see, Aleisha, you were wrong to state that the war BEGAN over 'a
piece of paper' called the Declaration of Independence.


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[CTRL] Recantation of claims of mrj**n* harm

2001-07-01 Thread Jenny Decker


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In this past Sunday Times of London:

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/07/01/stinwenws01033.html?

July 1 2001 BRITAIN
Drug czar recants: cannabis use does not lead to heroin

Rosie Waterhouse

BRITAIN'S first drugs czar, Keith Hellawell, has softened his hard line on
cannabis, saying that he no longer believes it necessarily leads on to
harder drugs.

In a significant U-turn the anti-drugs co-ordinator, who was sidelined by
David Blunkett, the home secretary, last month, said: I do not believe it's
a gateway drug.

The shift signals an end to Britain's apparent zero tolerance of soft
drugs, coming only days after Blunkett endorsed a police experiment to let
off people caught in possession of cannabis with only a warning.

Until now, Hellawell and ministers have not only opposed decriminalisation
but also rejected calls to downgrade possession of cannabis to a lesser
offence. Last November Hellawell said that research from New Zealand had
convinced him that cannabis was a gateway to more harmful drugs such as
heroin and cocaine.

However, last week he said: The evidence we've got from New Zealand is that
if someone smokes a joint of cannabis a week they are 60 times more likely
to be involved in harder drugs than those who do not use it at that level.
That is one piece of evidence.

That does not mean that everybody who smokes 50 joints a year will
automatically be involved in hard drugs.

Hellawell also supported the scheme in Lambeth, south London, where police
will no longer arrest and caution people caught with cannabis.

[Also see Focus article]  Is Tony Blair turning a blind eye to cannabis?

---

Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times
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Re: [CTRL] NYP: FLY GAL: CONDIT DIDN'T WANT TO 'PULL A NEWT'


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Condit's wife, Carolyn, is said to be ailing, but the exact nature of her
illness is not known.

Is she too ill to knock off a rival?  Or to arrange for someone else to
do so?

What exactly is known regarding Mrs. Condit, and her background?


Smith reportedly claimed she was in love with Condit. She added that he
never showed signs of violent tendencies, the sources said.

Perhaps because Smith never made any demands or ultimatums on Condit, as
Levy may have done?


For example, on April 30, the last day Levy was seen, Condit was picked up
by staff, had lunch at the White House and worked in Congress for four
hours before heading home for dinner with his wife.

What exactly does 'worked in Congress' mean?  Does he have an eyewitness
for every single moment of the day?

What exact time did he leave work, and what exact time did he arrive home
'for dinner with his wife'...?

Of course, such information is moot if he hired someone else to take care
of Levy for him...


Smith told investigators she met Condit on a Washington-to-San Francisco
flight as he was handing out his business card to her and fellow flight
attendants, sources said.

Was he only giving his card to the flight attendents, or to everyone else
on board?  If only to the flight attendents, it would seem that he was
looking for something more than potential votes...


In late winter, Smith has said she started becoming suspicious that Condit
was two-timing her with another woman

Strange phrasing to describe an affair with a married man; seems she was
okay with the fact that he was married, but started getting pissed off
when she discovered she wasn't the only chippy he had on the side...


and admitted she once poked around
the congressman's condo in Washington to look for evidence but never found
anything.

Sounds very much like Smith was jealous of Levy...in which case, Smith
herself can be a very likely suspect in Levy's disappearance.  We only
have her word for it that she 'never found anything' when she 'poked
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[CTRL] China Stopped Pilot From Shooting Down EP-3

http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/



Chinese stopped fighter pilot from shooting down EP-3

   
Zhao Yu, a PLA air force pilot, disclosed last week that he had armed his 
air-to-air missile and was prepared to shoot down the U.S. EP-3E surveillance 
aircraft following the collsion April 1 with a J-8 fighter.

Zhao told the PRC-owned Wen Wei Po that he was ready to fire and had asked 
ground controllers for permission to fire but was waved off the attack.
    
“The only thing that saved the lives of the 24 crewmembers on the US spy 
plane was that the headquarters issued prompt orders to ‘disengage and return 
to base,’” the newspaper reported.
    
Zhao was flying alongside Wang Wei, who was killed in the collions, and after 
he lost contact, Zhao circled once and as he was returning to his base on 
Hainnan island he saw the EP-3 again. According to the official newspaper, 
Zhao was “furious” and armed all the missile switches in his F-8.
    
“I am going to shoot it down,” he reported.
    
The command post replied: “Do not attack.”
    
Zhao told reporters that if he had followed through in firing missiles at the 
plane carrying 24 American service members, he “would have wiped them all 
out,” he stated. “But we do not act that way,” he said.
    
Zhao then landed on Hainan island and threw his helmet on the ground. Minutes 
later, the crippled EP-3 landed on the same runway and the Americans were 
taken hostage and the plane impounded.

Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal:Delusional am I?... 1/2


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  Final Solution  is a Nazi term for genocide. Don't try to compare the
 two situations. It's dishonest.
 J2

  I didn't realize there is a copywrite on that term. What would you call
  a plan by some Israelis to exterminate one or two million Palestinians
  a mandatory trip to paradise?

   Isn't it odd that the Disco  Bomber was driven
  to the bomb scene by an Israeli agent - and the target was mostly
  non religious Russians (many not even Jews) who ironically had
  good relations with Palestinians? In a club which welcomed
  Palestinians? Remember the Reichstag Fire?

 You're reading to much conspiracy junk. This story is nonsense.
 J2

Do you deny the following:

1. The cab driver who took the bomber to the disco was an
Palestinian Israeli contract agent.
2. The disco was often patronized by Palestinians.
3. Most of the clientele were Russian Immigrants who freely
   socialized with Palestinians.
4. The bombing has inflamed public opinion to demand
retribution against the Palestinians. The Israeli right wing
has used this bombing in its call to eliminate the Palestinian
Entity.

Any objective observer would consider these facts odd.
Part of a conspiracy? Stranger things have happened in
this conflict.

But that must be conspiracy junk...like claiming odd
circumstances surrounding the Rabin assassination.
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Re: [CTRL] NYP: FLY GAL: CONDIT DIDN'T WANT TO 'PULL A NEWT'


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Why June so quick to accuse Mrs. Condit of murder?

Why don't you give her the same consideration you gave to Paula
Poundstone, the comedian who is not laughing who was arrested for lewd
and lasiviious behavior involving her foster children and adopted
chidren?

$200,000 bail is pretty high but again, Paul Poundstone said she always
read the sodomy laws before going to any state...oh she is so funny.

Hey June, what do you do with an ugly Lesbian who rapes or molests
little chidren - castrate this pervert?

So June so quick to charge the wife - the ultimte victim in this matter?

Saba

Think we ought to castrate all those homosexuals who murdered - say like
the little 13 year old - they torturned and sodomized him for hours
before finally killing them...don't read much about that in the paper.

Let us call for the castration of Paula Poundstone?   Rosie O'Donnell is
a liittle nervous these days too.

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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal:Delusional am I?... 1/2

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Final Solution " is a Nazi term for genocide. Don't try to compare the
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I always thought it referred to emigration...

Bill.

[CTRL] Little Rock arrests/ Gary Condit lunch partner 30 APRIL

2001-07-01 Thread Jenny Decker

For example, on April 30, the last day Levy
was seen, Condit was picked upby staff, had lunch at the White House and
worked in Congress for fourhours before heading home for dinner with his
wife.
I don't understand the reference to Condit having
lunch at the White House on April 30. What is the verified source of this info?
He's supposed to have had lunch with Dan Lasater, the Clinton cronies'
chief "Disappearer" even in Arkansas well before the Presidency (see forwarded
email below).
If he did eat with Lasater, it
points almost too clearly to an organized hit on Chandra, designed to keep her
from blabbing, either to her parents or to his wife. I would wager there is a
tacit "dissappearance" service for favoured high govt. officials, just as there
are tacit excort services. You can trust them to be silent because their very
profitable business depends on it, and in court by organized agreement one will
lie and all the others will swear to it, thus "validating" their
testimony.
Under these conditions, her body
will be very hard to find as they could have done anything with it. A possible
list:

sent to a meat packing plant (see Gary Condit's
list of California agricultural contributors!)

donated to a teaching hospital for student use;
quickly dismembered for school use so unrecognizeable.

Switcheroo--Chandra's body is misidentified by some
bribed morgue underling and buried in some other person's grave. Then the other
person's body could be donated or disposed off without raising a police alarm,
since the other person is not being looked for. In all likelihood, police have
already done DNA tests on her and could test any suspicious remains, so this
method seems promising (from the murderer's viewpoint!)

Jenny

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Dan Lasater was a bond
broker in Little Rock who got busted for possession of cocaine, and for
giving it to teenage girls at an apartment in Little Rock in 1985. Lasater
paid for the apartment, but Bill Clinton's brother, Roger, actually lived
there. Roger was also busted. Lasater did some time in the federal
slammer, while Roger was confined to a half-way house. While Lasater
was in prison, his side-kick, Patsy Thomasson, ran his bond brokerage.
When Clinton was elected, he brought Ms. Thomasson to the White House in
1993, as "Director of Administration" (i.e., head of security). Later on,
Lasater started "Phoenix Mortgage Company," in Little Rock, which was a
drug-money laundry. For a short time, after he got out of jail,
Lasater lived at a lodge in the woods in western Arkansas, near Mena. The
property was owned by International Paper Co., one of the Rose Law Firm's
biggest clients. Hillary Clinton, Webb Hubbell, and Vince Foster were
partners at the Rose firm at the time. Lasater ran his money laundering
operation from the lodge. Lasater has been a close friend of Bill
Clinton's for years. He was also very close to the late James McDougal (of
Madison Guaranty Savings Loan fame). Lasater is described by Chip
Tatum (an ex-Army pilot who, unwittingly it appears, flew numerous drug
runs to and from Central America in the '80s for Lasater and the Dixie
Mafia), as being the "Dr. Lasater" to whom certain cargo was delivered
from time to time in Arkansas. That cargo was usually in the form of large
styrofoam coolers marked "Medical Supplies." According to Tatum, one of
the coolers fell onto the tarmac, while it was in the process of being
loaded onto Tatum's helicopter, and burst open. The contents clearly had
"medicinal value," but could hardly have been accurately described as
being "Medical Supplies." The coolers contained tightly wrapped bags of
raw cocaine. Tatum relates that shortly after that happened, he
arrived at an airport near Little Rock, and was introduced to "Dr.
Lasater" (to whom the coolers were being shipped), Governor Clinton, and a
third man who became Clinton's FEMA Director in 1993. The three were there
to meet the helicopter. Anyone who has more and/or better information
should certainly feel free to redact what I've written. R.
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Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians and Homosexual


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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
Some years back I watched a homosexual/lesbianelement invate our schools
as bus drivers, and into the NEAsaw one homosexual get his hands on
3 little kids

Once again, homosexuality has absolutely NOTHING to do with pedophilia.

When heterosexual men sexually molest little girls, why don't you post
laments about this heterosexual element that wants to get their hands on
our children?


about the same age as the kids this Paula Poundstone got
her lewd hands on - for the charges against he are lews and lascivicious
behavior - doe she think this is funny.

What is it about our system of goverment and of jurisprudence, where one
is PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, that you have a problem with?

Poundstone has been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior, she has
not been TRIED AND CONVICTED.  She is presumed innocent until PROVEN
guilty.


Children do not have a 'sexual orientation' Mr Lessard, they cultivate
one as their sexual nature develops through puberty --

This is bullshit.  All homo sapiens are sexual beings, no matter what
their age, even tho some sexually repressed individuals would like to
deny the fact that children before puberty have sexual feelings.

I'd like to know how many heterosexuals feel they had to 'cultivate'
their sexual orientationI know I didn't.  My orientation just
'was'...I didn't have to think about who I was attracted to, when such
feelings began to emerge...

Why then say that homosexuals had to 'cultivate' theirs?  They all say
they just 'knew' who they were attracted to from an early age, just as we
heteros knew who we were attracted to...


meet them early on can influence them one way or another. No one is
born gay, and this claim has never been proven. Since nature itself
dictates, even on a molecular level, the male/female construct for the
whole blessed universe,

The author displays his or her abject ignorance of biology.


Nothing in the nature of human sexuality urges one to penetrate a rectum
where feces passes, much less to do anything else with it that doesn't
strictly involve evacuation of the bowels. T

Guess what?  Heterosexual men and women engage in the very same
practice...in fact, I've never met a straight man who didn't get
turned on over the idea of engaging in anal sex with a woman...their only
problem is in finding a willing partner...  ;-)

Are you going to wage a campaign of hate against such couples too?

Obviously SOMETHING in 'the nature of human sexuality' urges these
heterosexual couples to engage in the practice...and also in such
practices such as 'fisting', BD, SM, 'golden showers', rubber or fur
fetishists and other such 'gourmet' sexual practices...

Do you also have a problem with oral sex (other than the fact that you
can't get any?)?  After all, that's putting one's mouth over another area
of elimination...


The very activity of anal sex represent a 0mock desire (and denial) for
penile/vaginal intercourse, expressed in the act of perversion with
wrong orifice.

What's your explanation for straight couples engaging in the very same
practice?

What is it about the concept of it feels good that you can't seem to
grasp?


The sphincter muscle of the rectum tells us it's for
'outgoing' only. Only human beings bent on defying nature will intrude
on nature to such sickening degrees.

Then I guess you feel that heterosexuals engaging in anal sex are also
'sickening'?

Also, the vagina is 'outgoing only' also.  In fact, that is what keeps
the vagina clean.  It is designed to facilitate the expulsion of monthly
menses, and the occasional infant.

Using your twisted logic, the insertion of a penis into a vagina is
therefore 'wrong', and is an act 'defying nature' too...


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Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Steve wrote:
 There's no doubt that a lot of nasty stuff is secreted in ALL fluids
 leaving the body, e.g., sweat, lachrymal, urine, saliva, blood,
 semen/vaginal, feces, open lesions, etc., etc.

Most waste is excreted in the kidneys, not the skin. If skin was a major
source for waste excretion, we people with kidney failure would just go to a
sweat lodge instead of receiving dialysis. And people would smell like
urine, and have to bathe several times daily. (Sounds like the Greys.  :)

I suggest you get a basic textbook on medical biology, and read the
chapter on skin.  If I can find my old nursing textbooks, I'll post the
text regarding the skin being ONE of the major organs of elimination.

No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys.  But
try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what
happens...


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[CTRL] Serbians attack gay pride parade. (fwd)


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Violence as Serbian homosexuals hold first Gay Pride march

Agence France Presse

June 30, 2001

Police fired in the air in a bid to disperse several hundred anti-gay
nationalists who stoned and beat homosexual activists taking part in the
first-ever Gay Pride parade in Yugoslavia on Saturday.

At least four activists and one policeman were injured when groups mainly
made up of young skinheads and Serbian nationalists attacked several dozen
gay activists on Belgrade's central square.

Radio B92 reported that at least 10 attackers were detained, while six
policemen suffered head injuries.

The radio said members of the right-wing conservative group Obraz
(Cheek) was organising the protest against the gay activists.

They also beat to the ground four women from the lesbian association
Labris.

Lepa Mladjenovic of the Labris group told AFP that the anti-gay forces
were waiting on the square where the activists had scheduled their
gathering, immediately attacking and beating them as they arrived.

The Gay Pride march was planned months ago and came a day after thousands
of die-hard nationalist supporters of ousted leader Slobodan Milosevic
took to the streets of the capital in anger at his extradition to the
International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The
Hague.

Several dozen policemen managed to push back the groups, who shouted We
do not want gays in Serbia! Long Live the Serbian Kingdom and waved
WWII nationalist flags with the insignia With faith in God, For King and
Kingdom.

The nationalists later marched through central Belgrade, beating and
stoning small groups of gay activists gathered in a nearby students
cultural center.

Police again fired in the air, but failed to prevent further clashes.

One of the skinheads among the attackerss wore a T-shirt with a Dutch flag
and the initials ICTY, with the date of Milosevic's extradition, June 28
on his back.

They shouted Serbia for the Serbs and not for gays and This is an
Orthodox country where there will be no immorality.

Some groups stoned the office of the the Social Democratic Union, the
party of Serbian deputy prime minister Zarko Korac, which had already come
under attack in March when six men stormed its premises, injuring four
people.

The party has openly supported homosexual movements.

The Gay Pride demonstration was called by several groups of gay activists,
who have tried to publicize their presence in Serbia in the past two
years, to mark international gay day on June 27.

After years of silence, we join the world celebration of the Gay pride of
homosexuals determined to break the fears and taboos, encourage each other
and decrease hostilities, its statement said.

Although the gay community in Serbia has reportedly been increasing, many
conservative traditionalists remain hostile towards it.

Soon after the demonstration was publicized placards appeared in central
Belgrade calling the Orthodox to gather for a spiritually healthy Serbia
at the same time as the Gay Pride.

Let us prevent anti-Christian, homosexual immorality and perverse
orgies, the posters said.

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Re: [CTRL] NYP: FLY GAL: CONDIT DIDN'T WANT TO 'PULL A NEWT'


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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
Why June so quick to accuse Mrs. Condit of murder?

More accurately, it's a case of not being so quick to EXCLUDE any viable
suspect.

Her husband seems to be a philanderer; perhaps Mrs. Condit tolerates
this, especially if she is in ill health, as long as they are only
'meaningless flings' with no threat to her lifestyle.

If Condit DID break it off with Levy, and if Levy DID 'take it hard', as
some reports have presented, perhaps Mrs. Condit found Levy a threat to
her own security...

Just conjecture.  Any good detective would consider ALL possible
suspects, and as the 'injured wife', Mrs. Condit makes a prime one.


Why don't you give her the same consideration you gave to Paula
Poundstone, the comedian who is not laughing who was arrested for lewd
and lasiviious behavior involving her foster children and adopted
chidren?

I'm only considering Mrs. Condit as a POSSIBLE SUSPECT, I did not say FOR
A FACT that she indeed did it or had someone else do it for her.  Later
in my post I posit that the flight attendent girlfriend of Condit's is
just as viable a SUSPECT.

And I stated in another post that if Poundstone is GUILTY, I hope they
lock her up and throw away the key.  But until then she is PRESUMED
INNOCENT.

I would say the same thing if and when anyone gets charged with anything
in Levy's disappearance and presumed murder...


$200,000 bail is pretty high but again, Paul Poundstone said she always
read the sodomy laws before going to any state...

And your PROOF for this alleged statement is?


Hey June, what do you do with an ugly Lesbian who rapes or molests
little chidren - castrate this pervert?

It obviously didn't work in your case...you're still ugly and perverted.



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I know as fact that MANY things that have been posted to these sites
ARE IN FACT NOT HOAXES, e.g., gerbiling,


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[CTRL] West Bank Checkpoint (Washington Post) (fwd)


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West Bank Checkpoint

By Wendy Pearlman
Saturday, June 30, 2001; Page A31

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/A1910-2001Jun29.html

BIR ZEIT, West Bank -- It is 100 degrees, and the sun blazes overhead as I
trudge up the hill. I have just finished a full day's work and am lugging
vegetables that I picked up on my way home. I try to ignore the soldier
leaning against his tank in the middle of the road, his machine gun in
hand and ready to fire. But this is getting more and more difficult to do.

I live in the Palestinian village of Bir Zeit, where life has recently
become hostage to the Israeli military checkpoint stationed to obstruct
traffic on the main road connecting us to the rest of the West Bank. Last
March the Israeli army used bulldozers to tear up the road, halting
movement between 35 surrounding villages and the town of Ramallah.
Although Palestinians came together to repair the damage and reopen the
road, Israeli tanks and armed soldiers have remained stationed here.

For the past two weeks, the soldiers have been forcing almost everyone
traveling from one point to another to get out of their taxis, abandon
their cars and cross the checkpoint on foot. At best this requires people
to gather their belongings and walk a long distance in the sun before
catching another ride. Yet it is also not unusual for soldiers to stop
people or turn them back, inspect identity cards, confiscate car keys or
fire tear gas bombs and rubber bullets.

Like some 65,000 Palestinian citizens and dozens of other internationals
living in Palestine, I travel this road on a nearly daily basis. And on a
number of occasions, when I am too frustrated to just pass by the
soldiers, I have stopped and talked to them. I ask them what they think
about making so many men, women and children deal with this daily torment.
Their replies leave me dumbfounded. Again and again, Israeli soldiers tell
me that if Palestinians suffer enough they will give up the current
uprising. If daily life becomes too unbearable, they say, then the
Palestinians will become frustrated and put pressure on President Yasser
Arafat to end the resistance and stop the violence.

The crux of these comments, while obvious to most Palestinians, may be
surprising for Western audiences. The checkpoint is not a security measure
designed to prevent terrorists from transporting bombs. It is a political
tactic aimed at making Palestinians suffer in order to break their wills.
As one soldier told me, Israel knows that at least 99 percent of all the
people crossing this checkpoint want nothing more than to get to work or
school. Nevertheless, it is a military order to fill their path with
obstacles.

This Israeli policy of deliberately tormenting a captive civilian
population is not only morally abhorrent. It is also just plain illogical.
Does Israel really think that if it tortures Palestinians then
Palestinians will oppose Arafat? Is it not obvious that when Israel
tortures Palestinians, Palestinians rise up in opposition to Israel?

Israel's logic of power is doomed to boomerang. In its fear of terrorism,
Israel employs warlike violence that drives people to terrorism. In its
effort to crush radicalism, Israel has imposed a siege that is making
people more radical. A person who takes his own life in a suicide bombing
is a person whose political horizons have been so blocked that he sees no
alternative means of demanding his rights from a hostile power. Bombs do
not go off in Tel Aviv because Palestinians want Arafat to make
concessions to Israeli demands. Bombs go off because Israel's siege on the
West Bank and the Gaza Strip has left many Palestinians feeling that they
have nothing left to lose.

The more Israel makes the Palestinian people suffer, the more Israel will
suffer in the long run. If the Israeli public feels no sympathy for the
suffering of the Palestinian people, it could at least do better at
attending to its own interests. The Palestinians I see crossing the
checkpoint each day are not on the verge of surrender. They are
righteously angry, as I am angry and as anyone forced to submit to such
humiliation would be angry. The checkpoint only reinforces our conviction
that the Israeli occupation must end. It confirms the need for a future
without checkpoints and the injustice that they represent.

The sooner the Israeli government realizes that force will not bring
acquiescence, the sooner we can all move on to more productive ways of
dealing with the conflict. Neither checkpoints nor F-16s will coerce the
Palestinian people into relinquishing their legitimate right to live in
the land of Palestine with freedom and dignity. I must disagree with the
checkpoint soldier who told me that no one knows how to achieve peace
between Israelis and Palestinians. Here on the blocked road between Bir
Zeit and Ramallah, it seems to me that the solution could not be simpler.
Israel has only to gather up its soldiers and settlers and leave the

[CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon

Why farmers in Hermel have more faith in 'Gold' than government

By Robert Fisk
01 July 2001

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=81153

At first, it looks like a cornfield. But step a few metres into the corn
and the stooks turn into little bright-green trees with spiky leaves, all
swaying in the breeze up the narrow mountain valley. When my guide started
gesticulating towards another, smaller field, I pleaded with him not to
point. There are gunmen aplenty in these hills  in the same dark Mercedes
they used in the civil war  but the man laughed.

You're perfectly safe with me here, he said.

That's when I realised this was his hashish field. You know what we are
doing? he asked. It's a kind of challenge from us to the Lebanese
government, a challenge from an impoverished people.

The Beirut government boasted back in 1994 that it had eradicated the drug
fields of Lebanon, burning and poisoning the thousands of acres of hashish
and the smaller though more lethal dunums of poppies that produced
Lebanon's heroin exports.

The Americans and the UN's anti-drugs units clapped their hands. We were
even invited to watch the army burn the fields. But today Lebanese gold
the finest hashish grown in the country  is back, albeit in comparatively
small quantities. This is not 1 per cent of what we used to grow in the
civil war, the Hermel landowner insisted, a point he rather spoiled by
inviting us to see a larger field a few miles down the road.

The air is clear up here, the midday sky pale-blue against the hot grey
mountains, a tributary of the Orontes river, green and cold, irrigating
the hashish.

What can we do? the man asks, opening his hands. We were promised aid
from the government in return for destroying our fields, new agricultural
projects, new crops to take the place of hashish. But my four sons and
three daughters, some of them married, are all living in my home because
they have no money for a house of their own. We live off the only one of
my sons who has a job  and he brings home just 500,000 Lebanese pounds
(243) a month. Which is true. The dealers make the money; the growers do
the work.

Nor does his assessment meet with any surprise in the office of the United
Nations Development Project chief technical adviser down the Bekaa Valley
in Baalbek. Mohamed Ferjani hands me a document he sent to his superiors
in 1994, the year the Lebanese announced the end of illicit crop
cultivation and the start of a programme to encourage alternative crops.

The absence of development efforts and international community support
will mean the return of illicit crops and border traffic, Ferjani had
presciently written. His voice rises as he explains his frustration.
There was no regional development plan and the government's programme for
the area was launched with high expectation on the part of the
beneficiaries [the farmers]  but with less than 6 per cent of the
estimated required funds.

After the civil war, the Hermel men at first believed in their new role as
legal farmers, cultivating tomatoes, tobacco, wheat and water melons. A
Hermel schoolteacher and his wife told me of the outcome of broken
promises: First the government gave us a ton of seed potatoes and then,
without warning, it became half a ton, the teacher said. Then many of
the families who applied for licences to grow tobacco were refused
permission. I don't know why.

On its near-desert plateau, Hermel got a bad name. It became known
unfairly, according to its 83-year-old mukhtar (town leader)  as a drugs
town and, because of the location of nearby Hizbollah guerrilla training
camps, as a town of terrorists and gunmen. Old Haj Asaad bin
Daibis-Jouheri, smoking a cigarette from a holder in his thin wiry hands,
tried to explain his town's story. We used to survive on wheat, barley,
chickpea growing, and we were simple people. Then there came schools and
new clothes and people needed money. People became more reliant on
earning. But we got no real help. People really go hungry here. And now
the media have started a war against this region.

Nor are things going to get better. At the time of the government's new
programme, Lebanon was an exporter of vegetables and fruit, especially to
the Gulf and Iraq, Mr Ferjani says. Then came the Second [1991] Gulf War
and Iraq was sanctioned and the Turks, Egyptians and others started
exporting to the Gulf. And the people here grew much poorer.

You only have to drive round the Hermel area to understand what this
means. There are patches of wheat and a few watermelon farms. But much of
the landscape I passed through was sand and rock and acres of rubbish, the
ground, even along the banks of the Orontes, blossoming with old plastic
bags and rusting car parts. Up in the hills, the gunmen follow all
visitors  they have no ideology, Mr Ferjani warned  and I suspect they
are working for men in Amsterdam rather than Beirut. So

Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal:Delusional am I?... 1/2


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   Final Solution  is a Nazi term for genocide. Don't try to compare the
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I always thought it referred to emigration...

Bill.


It referres to extermination and you know it.

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Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians and Homosexual


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Look! People abuse children, always have and always will. What we as a
society need to do is shoot them as they try to escape. If we find out that
they were innocent, there won't be too many of those, we can send them a
letter of apology.
And as an added bonus, this will cut down on the number of repeat offenders.

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Re: [CTRL] Serbians attack gay pride parade. (fwd)


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Remember the post, I'm gay, and its OK? Well, It's not OK in Serbia, Thank
G*d.

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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 Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon 

Hashish is not a crop. It is distilled from weed.

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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Hashish is not a crop. 

Correct. 

Hemp is the crop. Hashish is merely one lof the products made from hemp.
There are others.




It is distilled from weed.


Incorrect. It is not distilled. The ripe flowers are shaken over a large
cloth. The dust that settles is collected and pressed into bricks or, in
Lebanon, into shoe shaped loaves.

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Re: [CTRL] Delusional am I: Iraq may already have a nuclear bomb

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Subject: Delusional am I: Iraq may already have a nuclear bomb

Well guess its time to nuke Iraq...and Iran...and Egypt, etc. etc.

Bombs Away!!!
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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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 Incorrect. It is not distilled. The ripe flowers are shaken over a large
cloth. The dust that settles is collected and pressed into bricks or, in
Lebanon, into shoe shaped loaves. 

Then, these are the bricks which explode in the faces of the workers and do
serious damage to their bodies?

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Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist,


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 This displays the point that rape is not a crime about sex, but a crime
 of power and control and dominance, and hate against women, where sex is
 the main weapon, any traditional weapons such as guns or knives that are
 utilized actually being only secondary adjuncts to facilitate utilizing
 the primary weapon of sex.
 June

Rape is a sexual act and a crime.

Rape is impossible without sexual arousal by the male.
Claiming rape is not sexual but political (or some kind of
non sexual power game) is political jabberwocky.

See A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion
by Randy Thornhill, Craig T. Palmer.

This book is a breath of fresh air. For more than two decades we
have been bullied by feminists abetted by social scientists to believe
that rape is a political, not a sexual, crime. Yet everyone, both male
and female, knows instinctively that rape is indeed a sexual crime.
Does anyone truly believe that rapists risk their lives to intimidate
females generally for the benefit of males generally? What altruists
rapists would be! 
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal - and Palestinian propaganda.

2001-07-01 Thread goolie smith

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:31:12 -0400

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goolie smith wrote:
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sigh

ok, give me the answers to these questions

Was Ariel Sharon in command of the occupied area where the massacres
  took
place ?

  Yes he was.

Is there a Geneva convention (4th) which places responsibility of a
population upon the person in charge ?

  I don't know. But if there is, that's not the law under which Sharon is
  being charged. It is a  special law recently enacted but it's not clear
  to me by whom.

  Special law ? to be a war criminal you have to break the Geneva
conventions
  and they have been in force for over 50 years.

This is a new arrangement created in Belgium. The Palestinians are not
coming
before the United Nations to enforce the Geneva Conventions. They are
bringing
their case to Belgium. By the way, the USA has not recognized either
Belgium
OR the World Court in the Hague. They are afraid that what is happening to
Sharon could happen to the American military any where in the world. It's
hard to maintain a criminal empire when you can be brought up on charges.
For
this reason they will grudgingly skunk the trial. Because they hate Sharon.
They can't control him like they can Peres and the Laborites.

ah, ok now i understand. slight confusion here.  Yeah i do NOT think sharon
will get found guilty for Genocide or crimes against humanity, but i think
he will be found guilty for war crimes if he stands for trial.

Yeah its a shame when the self appointed 'leader of the free world' has to
be afraid of international justice, but is willing to put that same justice
on to others.

  ariel sharon has broken the
  geneva conventions pretaining to the safeguarding of civilians at a time
  when the land is occupied

  since you do not know and might not believe me ill give you a link and
you
  can find out for yourself.  http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm
  Im hoping that you'll trust the site, it is the United Nations site
after
  all.

  Are you well versed in international law?

Are you jewish ?

  Yes.

These questions should sort it out, the first two will show why
sharon
should be indicted as a war criminal,

  No they don't. You don't know that law. You are making presumptions
based
  on ignorance. For Sharon to be indicted as a war criminal he would have
  to have had intent. Further more, it would have to be proven.

  please dont lecture me on law, and if you were brave enough you would
debate
  without having to resort to mud slinging.

  War crimes do not have to show or prove intent, crimes against humanity
and
  genocide however do need to.  Ariel sharon is NOT being accused of
crimes
  against humanity or genocide.  However he is being accused of breaking
  geneva conventions.

Ok Goolie I won't lecture you on Belgian law. Since you sound so confident,
I will presume that you are a lawyer. Maybe you can explain this...

  Chibli Mallat, one of the lawyers filing the case, has
explicitly stated that the The complaint is filed against Ariel Sharon,
Amos
Yaron and any Israeli or Lebanese person responsible for *** genocide,
crimes
against humanity,*** and war crimes that happened between the 16th and 18th
of
September, including the killing, torture, rape and disappearance of from
1000 to 3500 civilians - children and women as well as men, Lebanese as
well
as Palestinians.

By the way, you'll notice the number of dead is really unknown. But when
it's
presented by the Palestinians, it gets bigger and bigger. Do you have any
idea
what it takes to kill 3,500 people and then get rid of the bodies?

Dude, i dont think that you should be so critical of the amount of dead
people, international agency have said a number (think it was 2000 i cant
remember off hand) i mean there are bodies that are buried that may not have
been found.  whatever the amount i think its safe to say it was a tragedy.

  If you still do not believe me, here is another link
  http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ign0
  This link is the ministry of foriegn affairs of the israeli goverment.
This
  site details a report by Yitzhak Kahan commissioned to find out what
  happened.  What it found was that Ariel sharon was indirectly
responsible
  for the killings but directly responsible for disregarding the safety of
the
  people at the camps

The Kahan Commission needed to produce a scapegoat to appease world
opinion.
So they did. Sharon got a slap on the wrist. He was forced to resign as
defense minister. But he was right back in government when the Likud
regained
power. I don't see much value in the Kahan Commission's work. I see it as
a cover up.

  Look, nurev, be brave and be a man to know what is right, Im not backing

[CTRL] Vegetation Beating

2001-07-01 Thread Alamaine


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If you want to find out the differences between hemp, MJ, and its other forms. go
to:

http://www.drugwarroom.com/mainframe.htm

Go to the section on the left frame entitled Plant, then in the next frame that
shows up, you can find three images of leaves, gold, green and red, that will relay
you to information on hemp, MJ, and hash, respectively.

There you can find definitions, processes, and other information relating to the
plant and its various uses.

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[CTRL] Face-Recognition System In Tampa

http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml



Ybor police cameras go spy-tech

By AMY HERDY © St. Petersburg Times,
published June 30, 2001 

TAMPA -- Strolling along Centro Ybor, the young woman stopped to browse at a 
shop window. Unbeknownst to her, she was presenting her back to a camera 
monitoring her progress. 

"Turn around," coached the man watching her on a video monitor tucked within 
a building several yards away, even though she could not hear him. 

The man, David Watkins of Advanced Biometric Imaging, was trying to compare 
the woman's face with thousands of images stored in a database of wanted 
criminals and sex offenders.

The software he was installing, called Face-It, is linked to 36 cameras 
throughout the Centro Ybor entertainment complex and along E Seventh Avenue. 
It's the first system of its kind in the state, and Friday the Tampa Police 
Department began using the software for the first time. 

"If there's a hit -- boom, we'll send an officer to confirm or deny who it 
is," said Tampa police Detective Bill Todd, who helped implement the system 
after being approached by its owner, Visionics Corp. of New Jersey. 

The software costs $30,000, but is on loan for a year while the department 
decides whether to purchase it, said Maj. Rick Duran, who considers it a 
valuable tool. 

"What's the best way to say this place is safe?" Duran said. "This is a way 
of letting local hooligans know they will be identified." 

The system, he said, is similar to the one used during the Super Bowl, where 
surveillance cameras were aimed at people entering the turnstiles, a practice 
that led some to dub the game, "Snooper Bowl." 

Of the 19 "hits" obtained at the Super Bowl, however, none led to arrests, 
Duran said. 

"We could never get through the crowd," he said, a problem he does not 
anticipate in Ybor City. 

"We don't have the massive crowds here like at the Super Bowl," although 
attendance can reach 70,000 on weekends, he said. 

Duran said a dozen officers have been trained for the new system, which will 
use only one or two officers at a time for the surveillance. 

Here's how it works: The software can instantly capture the images of up to 
four people (it is programmed for four, but capable of capturing eight at a 
time) and compares those images to a computer database based on 80 points of 
the person's face, in an area encompassing their eyes and nose. 

The database consists of those wanted on active warrants from the 
Hillsborough Sheriff's Office and a list of sexual offenders from the Florida 
Department of Law Enforcement, Todd said. A larger pool can be added later if 
desired. 

If there is a resemblance, the computer will rate it from 1 to 10, giving out 
an audible "whoop whoop!" alarm for 8.5 and above. 

The officer will then contact others on the street by radio, Todd said, who 
will stop the person and determine their identity. If they are wanted, they 
will be arrested. If they are not, the situation will be explained to them 
and they are free to go. 

The incident is also recorded in a log for future reference. 

Since so many teenagers frequent Ybor City, Todd said, it is an area that 
could be targeted by sexual offenders, who have restrictions in their 
probation that typically prohibit them from contact with minors or with 
alcohol, he said. 

In the future, the police department hopes to add to the database, including 
gang members and missing children, Todd said. 

Wanda Souders, shopping in Centro Ybor Friday afternoon, embraced the idea. 

"That's awesome," said Souders, 35, a caterer. "If you don't have anything to 
worry about, it won't bother you. As far as any invasion of rights -- if 
you're breaking the law, your rights are kind of dissolved." 

The situation disturbed Ryan Rovelto, 23, who works at the Creatures of 
Delight shop on 15th Street in Ybor, and lives a few blocks away. 

"It's kind of like a police state," Rovelto said. "Whether I have a warrant 
or not, it makes me uncomfortable they can pick me out of a crowd" and run 
his image, he said. 

In time, Rovelto said, "Who knows what they'll use it for?"

[CTRL] Canada Fed LSD To Unwitting Inmates

http://www.mapinc.org/ccnews/v01/n1129/a05.html?345



FEDS ADMIT FAULT IN GIVING LSD TO INMATE 

OTTAWA - The federal government and a former prison psychologist have 
confessed to battery and negligence for giving LSD to a teenage inmate 40 
years ago.  

The admission by the government and psychologist Mark Eveson in Ontario's 
Superior Court of Justice is a victory for former prisoner Dorothy Proctor.  

LSD was administered to 23 prisoners as part of a 1961 study at the federal 
Prison for Women in Kingston.  The prison is now closed.  

In 1998, Proctor sued the government and former officials of the Correctional 
Service of Canada for giving her the drug, saying it has caused brain damage 
and hallucinations.  

Proctor was 18 and serving a three-year robbery sentence when she received at 
least one dose of the hallucinogen.  

The government says LSD was given to female prisoners with the aim of 
"promoting the health of individuals," not for experimental reasons.  

However, the government concedes there is no record of Proctor having 
consented to receive the drug.  

The lawsuit began a protracted court fight over the nature of the LSD tests 
and the ethics of using prisoners in the drug program.  

On April 30, the government and Eveson admitted to assault and negligence, 
declarations that were accepted by the court in May.  

Proctor is suing for $5 million, though the court has not yet addressed the 
issue of damages.

Re: [CTRL] Did you read Mike's post Goolie?- FOXNews: War Crime Charges Against Clinton?

2001-07-01 Thread goolie smith


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yeah, just read it from your post.
its a shame that the same yard stick isnt applied to all people.

there is a famous quote that i cant quite remember who said it, but it goes
something like this

The measure of a nation is not if they are in power or are powerfull, but
what they do with the power they have

suppose this show it all /


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   Charges  Against Clinton?
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:12:10 -0400

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MIKE SPITZER wrote:
 
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  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,28365,00.html
 
  Analysis: Door Could Be Open for International War Crime Charges Against
  Clinton
 
  FOXNews
  Thursday, June 28, 2001
  By Nathan Brown
 
  Serb authorities are scrambling to respond to the Yugoslavian
  Constitutional Court's freeze on Slobodan Milosevic's extradition.
  Despite the delay, he will likely stand before the International
Criminal
  Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, on charges of war crimes.
  More interesting is what Milosevic will not be charged with, and the
impact
  on other foreign leaders and military officers around the world.
 
  In the two years since the Kosovo conflict, there has been little
evidence
  produced to prove that the former president did, in fact, commit the
  genocide that NATO claimed justified the war. He will now be charged
only
  with war crimes. Ironically, the precedent-setting reduction in charges
  would make it easy for international courts to try a variety of foreign
  leaders and military officers, including Americans.
 
  The Kosovo indictment includes persecution and seven instances of
murder,
  totaling 340 victims. These murders are classified both as alleged war
  crimes -- violations of the codes and practices of war --
  and as crimes against humanity, defined as severe crimes conducted
against
  innocents, often outside the context of war.
 
  But noticeably absent are charges of genocide. This is striking because
  Milosevic's government was blamed for as many as 10,000 killings of
ethnic
  Albanians during the opening weeks of the 1999 war for Kosovo. It now
  appears that these mass killings have not been borne out by two years of
  excavations and investigations.
 
  The charges Milosevic must answer to in The Hague are significantly
  different from the charges of genocide leveled by London and Washington
  just two years ago. During the initial weeks of the war, NATO
governments
  claimed that the numbers of ethnic Albanian dead and missing ranged in
the
  tens of thousands. Eventually, the accepted number of Albanian dead
settled
  around 10,000.
 
  The ICTY has exhumed about 4,000 bodies to date, according to a
  spokeswoman. However, many of these bodies have not been definitively
  identified, either as non-combatant ethnic Albanians or otherwise. They
may
  be casualties of battle, collateral damage or victims of ethnic
infighting.
  More Albanian bodies have recently been discovered in Serbia.
 
  Late in 2000, the ICTY changed its tactic: It shifted from conducting a
  mass search for the killing fields to putting together a case, based on
  available evidence that would convict Milosevic. As a result, the
charges
  are certainly somber but of lesser magnitude. Rather than charges of
  genocide, Milosevic would stand trial for war crimes --
  violations of the Geneva Conventions that are comparatively common in
  conflict -- as well as certain crimes against humanity, but not
genocide.
 
  The tribunal is helping to set an important and ironic precedent. By
  dropping the genocide charge, the court has set a relatively undemanding
  hurdle for trying heads of state or military leaders. And the ICTY's
most
  serious charges -- crimes against humanity -- are not iron-clad in the
  sense that the crimes are not on the scale of, say, Nazi Germany or
  Imperial Japan.
 
  As a result, the threshold for crimes against humanity -- and their
  ferocity -- have been signficantly lowered. If an unpopular but
  democratically elected former leader like Milosevic can be indicted,
  extradited and tried for these crimes, so can many other political
leaders
  in a variety of governments around the world.
 
  Every leader who has sent troops into conflict is liable for civilian
  deaths or excessive force. The potential list ranges from influential
  figures like Russian President Vladimir Putin, for Chechnya, to
  lesser-known leaders like Mozambique's Joaquim Chissano, who presided
over
  his own country's civil war and remains in power.
 
  On this front, Americans may have some of the greatest legal exposure.
  Former President Clinton ordered U.S. operations in Kosovo, Somalia,
  Afghanistan and Sudan -- all of which resulted in civilian deaths. U.S.
  military officers may face additional legal exposure abroad,

[CTRL] Milosevic To Name Names...Will He Be Suicided?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=3H3Bu8HMatmo=
pg=/et/01/7/1/wslob01.html



Milosevic: I'll name British leaders who helped me

By Julius Strauss and Philip Sherwell in Belgrade and Joe Murphy in London

SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC is planning to embarrass Britain and other Western
governments by revealing at his war crimes trial at The Hague the secret
deals which he claims propped up his regime during a decade of bloodshed in
the Balkans.

Lawyers for the deposed Serbian president will name three former Foreign
Secretaries, Lord Hurd, Lord Carrington and Lord Owen, in a strategy designed
to implicate British and American diplomatic figures in the bloody break-up
of Yugoslavia.

They will claim that he was given a "green light" for many of his most
controversial actions, including the use of force, by Western governments.
Branimir Gugl, one of Milosevic's lawyers, told The Telegraph yesterday: "Mr
Milosevic feels that Nato are the real criminals and that will be part of his
defence."

Milosevic will argue that the British peers, along with Foreign Office
diplomats, were involved in negotiating peace deals that were designed to
maintain him in power despite his record.

Lord Hurd's later role as a director of National Westminster Bank in striking
a lucrative deal with Milosevic to refinance the Serbian economy is likely to
be highlighted during the trial. Milosevic is expected in court on Tuesday.

The former president, nicknamed the Butcher of Belgrade for his pitiless
treatment of ethnic minorities, is said to feel betrayed by Western
negotiators.

A Senior Foreign Office official said: "We will not be surprised if Lord
Hurd's dealings with Milosevic are raised during the trial but in fact our
hands are clean, we have nothing to hide. The French government may well be
nervous about its own friendly relationship with Milosevic right up to 1999
being brought up."

Lord Hurd, who aroused controversy by opposing American plans to lift the
arms embargo on Bosnia's Muslims, later became the deputy chairman of NatWest
Markets and brokered a deal to privatise Serbia's telecoms service. At a
secret business breakfast with Milosevic, he was accompanied by Dame Pauline
Neville-Jones, formerly Britain's most senior woman diplomat, who had also
joined the bank.

The French are believed to have maintained communications with the Serbs
during the Nato bombing campaign which was beset by leaks of targets. Serbs
claimed that Gen Bernard Janvier, a French former UN commander, secretly
promised to veto air strikes in 1995 provided that they released 300 UN
hostages. A month later, the Bosnian Serb army attacked Srebrenica, killing
7,000 Muslims in Europe's biggest war crime in 50 years.

Milosevic's lawyers plan to call former peace envoys to give evidence. These
include Lord Carrington, the chief negotiator for the European Union in
1991-92, Lord Owen, who co-brokered the 1993 Vance-Owen peace deal, and
Richard Holbrooke, the American who brokered the Dayton accord on Bosnia.

They, in turn, are likely to explain that whatever their misgivings about
Milosevic, his position as "strong man" in the region meant that they could
not ignore him.

Officials in The Hague, where Milosevic has been held since Thursday, say
they expect to broaden his charges to include genocide. Milosevic was under
close supervision last night; his parents committed suicide and there are
fears that he might try to do the same.

Re: [CTRL] Milosevic To Name Names...Will He Be Suicided?


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Yup, the guards will find him feet up on the bottom of his cage some morning.
The cornor's ruling will be he died by his own hand.  Just like Reichs furer
Hess.

BHoward

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[CTRL] Eating Fetuses: The lurid Christian fantasy of godless Chinese eating

2001-07-01 Thread Michael Pugliese


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Eating Fetuses: The lurid Christian fantasy of godless Chinese eating
unborn children.

by Miss Poppy Dixon, 10.2000

http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/sex/chinese_eating_fetuses.html

Blood Libel: Eating Childen
Blood libel [1] is the practice of accusing one's enemy of eating children.
Originally traced to pagans slandering early Christians it quickly adopted
the form it would take for the next two thousand years - that of Jews
murdering and eating Christian children, primarily for Passover. The
practice of blood libel has been revived in the US by Christian
conservatives, and is now aimed at their latest enemy, and most promising
market: the Chinese.

Beijing, 1995: The Godless Triad
The United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, held in Beijing in
1995, was hosted live on the Internet - one of the first of such events on
the Web, and thousands of women the world over logged on. Conservative
Christians could not fathom why the rest of the world was not outraged by
the convergence of their three arch enemies: women, the communist Chinese,
and the Clintons. James Dobson, of the ultra-conservative Focus on the
Family book and radio empire, covered the event in his August 1995
newsletter titled, Position on United Nations Conference on Women. Uncertain
that he could move apathetic Americans with bland facts, Dobson quoted a
World Magazine article about the Chinese dining on aborted fetuses as
evidence of this godless triad.

If [capital punishment] isn't enough to turn one's stomach, consider this:
According to World... human fetuses have begun to appear on menus of Chinese
restaurants as a delicacy and health tonic.

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[CTRL] Worldwide Recession Now Hits Mexico


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Let see.
Japan; Germany (Europe); South America (Argentina, Venz. Mexcio)
all going bad...but the good ole USA to stay healthy?

I don't think so.

The bubble is slowly bursting.
flw

Downturn in Economy Deepens Across Mexico
Layoffs hit virtually all sectors and imperil social reforms promised by Fox
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates2/lat_mexecon010701.htm

By CHRIS KRAUL, Times Staff Writer

Mexican yam wholesaler Mayer Zaga has cut prices on his products. This is a crisis, 
whether we understand it
or not, he says.
CHRIS KRAUL / Los Angeles Times

 SAN ANDRES OCOTLAN, Mexico--From farms and automotive plants on the outskirts of 
Mexico City to the
industrial heartland of Monterrey and the wineries and electronics firms in Tijuana 
and Guadalajara, signs are
that this nation's recession is becoming more entrenched.
 Every day, another big company or industry is hit by layoffs, the most recent 
being the pivotal steel
industry, where hundreds last week received pink slips. Even the maquiladoras--the 
factories on the border
with the U.S. that have been jewels of Mexican economic development--are feeling pain 
as never before.
 Tenant farmer or textile magnate, there is no shortage of victims who could be 
overwhelmed by the
spreading recession. The hard times increase fears of social unrest as well as the 
prospect of illegal
immigration, which could lead to more people dying in risky border crossings. With the 
U.S. facing its own
economic troubles, more economic refugees won't be greeted with open arms.
 The most prominent victim may be President Vicente Fox, whose ambitious plans to 
transform Mexican
society require a good economy. A reform candidate whose election last year ended the 
71-year rule of the
Institutional Revolutionary Party, Fox swept to power by promising to boost 
prosperity, add 1.3 million new
jobs in his first year and create more social programs to address grinding poverty and 
inequality.
 Although still enormously popular, Fox has reason to be concerned. A failure to 
deliver new jobs and
prosperity will weaken him politically and hinder efforts to carry out a bold slate of 
reforms ranging from
boosting the rights of indigenous peoples to overhauling the judicial and tax systems.
 The worsening times have farmers such as Rodolfo Hernandez in a bind. Corn, 
carrot and lima bean prices
are sinking while the costs of diesel fuel and fertilizer are rising. All he expects 
to harvest from his
25-acre farm here 40 miles southwest of Mexico City are headaches and big losses.
 In the past, at least there was movement, equilibrium. Now, there are no buyers 
at all, said Hernandez,
40.
 Times have become so brutal, he said, that his younger brother Antonio, an 
out-of-work tailor, illegally
emigrated to Washington state, where he quickly landed a job in construction. Rodolfo 
said he may follow if
things don't turn around soon. Antonio knows the risks, but in spite of all that he 
went with seven others
from the town.
 Also alarmed is businessman Mayer Zaga, who has lowered prices by an average 17% 
on the fabrics, threads
and apparel produced by his company, Zagis SA. He said his goal is to avoid having to 
lay off any of the 3,000
workers at his multimillion-dollar firm, the country's largest yarn wholesaler.
 This is a crisis, whether we understand it or not, Zaga said as he surveyed the 
gray-and-green ranks of
looms on the floor of his factory in Tepeji del Rio in Hidalgo state, 50 miles north 
of the capital.
 Mexico dipped into recession late last year, and figures are likely to show the 
nation having continued
to be mired in one at least through the second quarter of this year, which ended 
Saturday, according to
Ciemex/Wefa economic consultants of Philadelphia.
 Mauricio Gonzalez, a director at GEA business consultants in Mexico City, said 
disappointment could run
deep because of heightened expectations after Fox's election.
 Everyone was going to be happy and entertained. Now there is no party, he said. 
People are now
realizing it's not going to be as good as they thought and that maybe [the recession] 
will affect them
personally.
 Fox had counted on a recipe of free trade and his own businesslike efficiency to 
rev up Mexico's economic
performance, generating enough income to help the government carry out sweeping new 
initiatives in health
coverage and education. But tax collections have declined along with the economy, 
dropping an alarming 7% in
May from the same month last year. The Finance Ministry is expected to soon announce a 
second round of
spending cuts.
 Instead of all the new jobs he had promised during the grueling election 
campaign, Fox has seen the loss
of 200,000 jobs so far this year--and will be lucky to end the year with as many 
workers as he started with in
January. Economist Rogelio Ramirez de la O of Ecanal, a Mexico City consulting firm, 
thinks that the job

[CTRL] 2 Troubled Bush Appointees- George Argyros Joe Albaugh

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/01/42/news-moxley.shtml



Control Freak 
DA report alleges ambassador-designee Argyros paid bonuses to employees who 
ripped off tenants 

by R. Scott Moxley 

George Argyros is busy taking beginner diplomacy courses, struggling with 
basic Spanish lessons, and likely dreaming of the day he’s sworn in as the 
next U.S. ambassador to Spain.

But before Argyros packs for Madrid, the temperamental Newport Beach 
businessman—who is worth between $600 million and $1 billion—may want to 
ponder ways to survive what could be an ugly U.S. Senate hearing on his 
nomination.

A previously undisclosed law-enforcement report obtained by the OC Weekly 
unequivocally concluded that a "heavy-handed" Argyros personally directed a 
massive, "systematic rip-off scheme" to defraud thousands of poor and 
middle-class tenants who occupied nearly 5,000 apartments he owns in Orange 
County.

Specifically, the report details evidence that the ambassador-designee: 

•Rewarded employees with bonuses for illegally withholding security deposits, 
overcharging tenants for apartment repairs and billing tenants for imaginary 
expenses;

•Reprimanded employees when they did not defraud tenants; 

•Angrily complained to top managers on at least two occasions that they were 
not sufficiently padding tenant charges.

Argyros was also consumed—perhaps even neurotic—about money. According to 
investigators, he once made an international call from his yacht in Greece to 
an Orange County employee to see if one tenant had paid a $25 late fee. 

Deputy District Attorney Wendy Brough, who wrote the detailed report after a 
13-month investigation, did not mince words about Argyros’ behind-the-scenes 
role."He is personally liable and should be barred [from similar business 
practices] by injunction," Brough wrote.

Brough was skeptical about Argyros’ ability to reform himself. She noted "a 
long history of violations dating to 1980," when Argyros paid a fine and 
promised to reform his rental practices.

Since the scandal was first reported on Feb. 6 by The Orange County Register
’s Bill Rams, Argyros’ lawyers and associates have strenuously denied that 
Arnel Management Co. has committed any crime. They have also argued the case 
should not spur pesky inquiries into Argyros’ business practices while his 
nomination is at a critical juncture.

But such sentiment appears hallucinatory. Congressional sources in 
Washington, D.C., said the scandal could prompt the powerful Senate Foreign 
Relations Committee, headed by Senator Joseph Biden (D-Delaware), to deem 
Argyros unfit to serve in the high-profile overseas post. California Senator 
Barbara Boxer, another Democrat, is also on the committee. Her office 
declined comment, but sources say that Boxer and other senators have taken an 
interest in the nomination. 

No hearing date has been set for Argyros, who has no known diplomatic skills 
but who has contributed several million dollars to Republican Party 
candidates. Argyros’ supporters say he raised $50 million for George W. 
Bush’s successful presidential campaign. (Argyros did not return calls for 
this story.)

The Bush White House says it reviewed the backgrounds of all ambassadorial 
nominees and was satisfied.

It is unlikely that the civil case against Argyros and his company will be 
settled before Senate confirmation hearings. That’s owing to the case’s 
tortured history. DA investigators completed their first draft of the suit 
against Argyros in December. But their boss, Orange County District Attorney 
Anthony J. "Tony" Rackauckas, an Argyros pal and close political ally, 
ordered Brough to rewrite the suit, this time without naming Argyros 
specifically.

"To remove his name from the complaint is totally inappropriate, totally 
outside the normal procedure in a case like this," said Stephen Douglass, an 
investigator who has since left the DA’s office. "Everybody [on the case] was 
very upset."

Nevertheless, the staff obliged Rackauckas, redrafted the suit, and on Feb. 
1, officially filed it in the county courthouse. But then Rackauckas 
intervened again: in an unprecedented move, the DA pulled the suit 90 minutes 
after it was filed and ordered it removed from public inspection. His 
explanation: the investigation was incomplete.

The case against Argyros might still be secret if not for the anonymous 
source who leaked it to the Register. Publication of the suit there led 
Rackauckas to refer the case to state Attorney General Bill Lockyer. While 
the attorney general’s office investigates, private attorneys have filed 
three separate civil suits on behalf of Argyros’ former tenants. One of those 
suits reportedly seeks damages of $96 million.

Ex-investigator Douglass says it’s possible the months-long delay in filing 
the DA’s case was Rackauckas’ way of protecting Argyros’ pending 
ambassadorial nomination. 

"Tony was doing a lot of favors for Argyros in the case," Douglass said. "We 
were told

Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK)(fwd)

2001-07-01 Thread Mark McHugh


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Yardbird wrote:

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 Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon


An amusing piece of cluelessness!  Fields of hash!

I remember hearing of children wearing leather aprons running through
the marijuana fields in Michoacan, collecting resin to be scraped off
later.  A hash field?

--
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Sharon is clearly provoking the Arabs.  He knows it.  They know it.  
The new President Assad is clearly being challenged, his own credibility at stake.
The main reason General Barak before him did not strike out in the ways Sharon 
quickly started doing as soon as he became PM is precisely because Israel may end up 
paying a far higher price for what it is doing than is generally realized.  These 
things are cumulative.  And the day of revenge may come also sooner than is generally 
realized.
Clearly the arms race in the region is now escalating.  The armies throughout the 
area are preparing.  Missiles and advanced weapons are being rushed to readiness.   
The Israelis are being armed by the Americans with all kinds of new military 
technology including new kinds of advanced intelligence capabilities for pin-point 
attacks at weapons of mass destruction from Iran to Libya.
Even while Israeli planes were striking Syrian positions in Lebanon this weekend 
news of a military alert by Iran was in Washington's second newspaper, The Washington 
Times.  Amazingly, even though the Israelis have publicly threatened Iran, the article 
leaves out any mention of possible Israeli attacks against Iran, focusing solely and 
erroneously on just the American threat.




   ISRAELI PLANES ATTACK SYRIAN POSITIONS
  By Morshed Dandash

BAALBEK, Lebanon  AP, 1 July - Israeli warplanes attacked a Syrian army radar 
position in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley on Sunday, triggering an artillery duel between 
Hezbollah guerrillas and Israeli troops along the border. 

The Israeli airstrike was in retaliation for an attack by Hezbollah two days ago  the 
second time in less than three months that Israel has lashed back at Syrian positions 
for action by the guerrillas, who are backed by Syria and Iran. 

In the eastern Bekaa Valley, witnesses said at least two Israeli missiles hit a Syrian 
position in the plain between the two main towns of Zahle and Baalbek. 

Two Syrian troops and a Lebanese soldier were wounded, the official Syrian news agency 
SANA reported. Lebanese security officials said at least two Syrian soldiers were hit, 
but did not mention any Lebanese casualties. 

The Bekaa Valley is dotted with Syrian radar, anti-aircraft and tank positions, part 
of a force of some 25,000 deployed in Lebanon, especially in the Bekaa near Syria's 
border, since 1976. The Syrian government made no immediate comment on the Israeli 
strike. 

The instant Hezbollah response to the Israeli strike was reminiscent of the worst days 
of the 20-year border war that finally saw Israel end its occupation of southern 
Lebanon a year ago. 

Hezbollah fired rockets and mortars at two Israeli military positions, witnesses said. 
Israel responded with its own fire, and Lebanese security officials said one Lebanese 
farmer, 60-year-old Kassem Atwi, was injured in the Israeli shelling. 

In Israel, a government statement said the initial airstrike was in retaliation for 
Hezbollah attacks. This criminal activity by Hezbollah takes place under the 
authorization of Syria, Israel's Cabinet said in a statement. 

On Friday, Hezbollah guerrillas fired anti-tank missiles at Israeli army positions in 
the disputed Chebaa Farms area along the Israeli-Lebanese border, wounding one 
soldier. Israeli warplanes responded by firing on suspected guerrilla infiltration 
routes. 

Hezbollah has vowed to continue fighting Israel until it vacates the Chebaa Farms 
area. The territory is part of the Golan Heights, which Israeli occupied from Syria. 
However, Syria and Lebanon claim the land belongs to Lebanon. 

Israeli warplanes destroyed a Syrian radar station on April 16, killing three Syrian 
soldiers, in retaliation for an earlier Hezbollah attack. After that strike, neither 
Hezbollah nor

[CTRL] FC: Feds raid unapproved cloning lab in attempt to stifle research (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

Also see this editorial:

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1963-2001Jun29.html
THOUGH STILL publicly wavering on whether to support funding for stem cell
research, the Bush administration has begun wading into the tangle of
issues that accompany the new reproductive technologies. A health official
testifying before Congress last month signaled the administration's support
for a bill to ban all human cloning. [...]

---

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:00:55 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Banned Research and Raids on Secret Labs
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

Here's an item about the Feds banning certain types of biological research.
More evidence that government is flexing its muscles to interfere in
research it has decided is not acceptable...or that it is not controlling
for its own purposes. I wonder what Thomas Jefferson, a noted amateur
scientist, would have thought of the federal government raiding labs and
subpoening records when it decided it wanted to? His cryptography research,
for example? So much for the real spirit of the First and Fourth, amongst
others.

(Note: I realize, for you lawyers, that the Fourth was technically met, in
that a valid court order was issued for the subpoenas and raids. It still
sucks, though, to use a nonlegal term. Warrants and orders are issued
freely. Fishing expeditions is what they really are. There's not a single
one of us who could not have our possessions and papers sifted through if
one of tens of thousands of prosecutors and investigators decided they
wanted to. So much for secure in one's papers and possessions and a
man's home is his castle.)

I'll include a few paragraphs, marked with enclosers.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/010709/usnews/clone.htm

U.S.News 7/9/01

The God game no more
The feds crack down on a human cloning lab

By Nell Boyce and David E. Kaplan


For Brigitte Boisselier, cloning a human being isn't just good science
-it's a religious imperative. As a trained chemist and a bishop of a sect
that believes scientists from another planet created all life on Earth,
Boisselier and other followers of the Raelian religion say cloning is key
to humanity's future. Despite warnings from scientists who say such
practices are fraught with potential health risks, some Raelians have built
a secret U.S. laboratory and vowed to create the first human clone this
year. They also believe the feds have no legal right to stop them.

  Washington, unsurprisingly, disagrees. U.S. News has learned that a
federal grand jury in Syracuse, N.Y., near Boisselier's home, has
subpoenaed telephone records and other documents in what appears to be an
unprecedented probe into the sect's activities. Food and Drug
Administration agents visited the lab recently and ordered any human
cloning experiments to cease. Says one official: There's a timeout in
force. 

Comment: So, someone who _says_ they are interesting in human cloning can
face a subpoenaing of records and documents. Interesting. So much for free
scientific inquiry.

And what's the significance of the secret lab language? Was it just the
U.S. News reporter's take on the situation, or does having a secret lab
enter into the gubment's case?

How long before we see _crypto_ treated the same way? For example:

For Joe Cypherpunk, developing digital money isn't just good science, it's
an imperative. Not surprising, Washington disagrees. A federal grand jury
in Sunnyvale, CA has subpoenaed telephone records and other documents. FCC,
SEC, and FBI agents visited the secret lab recently and ordered any digital
money experiments to cease. Says one official: There's a timeout in force.

(Oh, so now we have timeouts for banned research? So much for another of
the rights enumerated in the BOR, the right to a trial. Yeah, I know about
temporary injunctions and restraining orders, given exigent circumstances,
blah blah. This sounds more like the harassment and road block issue,
though. A crackdown, as the reporter notes below.)


 The crackdown marks the first time that investigators have uncovered a
secret lab tied to human cloning in the United States, government sources
say. 

Oooh, scary! A secret lab! What, all labs are supposed to be public,
registering with the government? (There is no evidence the lab is using
more dangerous chemicals than are normally found in any hardware store, for
example, so public safety cannot be a justification.)

The article goes on to talk about Clonaid and how they are not violating
any laws, but how they plan to leave the U.S. to avoid this kind of raid
harassment.

 The federal investigation was prompted by statements Boisselier made
this spring, when she said Clonaid was just weeks away from being ready to
clone a human being. On March 27, Boisselier received a letter from the
FDA, warning that the company might be in violation of FDA regulations. A
similar letter was hand-delivered to the

Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer


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June, the first part of this quote was from Michael Spitzer, not me. I am quite aware 
that
the skin is NOT a major organ of elimination. That is what I was trying to point out.

Steve

On 1 Jul 01, at 10:27, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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 On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Steve wrote:
  There's no doubt that a lot of nasty stuff is secreted in ALL fluids
  leaving the body, e.g., sweat, lachrymal, urine, saliva, blood,
  semen/vaginal, feces, open lesions, etc., etc.
 
 Most waste is excreted in the kidneys, not the skin. If skin was a major
 source for waste excretion, we people with kidney failure would just go to a
 sweat lodge instead of receiving dialysis. And people would smell like
 urine, and have to bathe several times daily. (Sounds like the Greys.  :)

 I suggest you get a basic textbook on medical biology, and read the
 chapter on skin.  If I can find my old nursing textbooks, I'll post the
 text regarding the skin being ONE of the major organs of elimination.

 No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys.  But
 try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what
 happens...


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On 1 Jul 01, at 10:27, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

 No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys.  But
 try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what
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It is strange,  just last week you were saying the Breast Cancer post was a hoax.

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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On 1 Jul 01, at 9:41, Nessie wrote:

 Hemp is the crop. Hashish is merely one lof the products made from hemp.
 There are others.

Hashish is NOT made from hemp. Hemp contains very little THC. Hashish is made
from cannibis (marijuana). Hemp is not the same as marijuana.

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[CTRL] Noah Chomsky Interview: Real Agenda of War on Drugs

2001-07-01 Thread Jenny Decker


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Informative reading.

http://www.ariannaonline.com/interact/phorum/read.php?f=5i=24t=24

http://www.hal-pc.org/~clyndes/political-chomsky.html

 Noam Chomsky on The Drug War Industrial Complex
Author: nl5x (---.parker1.co.home.com)
Date:   04-23-01 05:30

Interview With Noam Chomsky
A Hundred years from now Noam Chomsky is going to figure in the history
books as the prime voice of conscience, dissent and reason in the wars and
social catastrophes of the late 20th century. At the Massachusetts Institute
of Technology in the 1950's, he began an intellectual revolution in the
understanding of linguistics which very efficiently challenged and subverted
the old knee-jerk behavioristic worldview that nourished the Cold War. His
seamless critical essays on American foreign and domestic policies since
then have unerringly diagnosed their fallacies, relentlessly dissecting the
propaganda of the power establishment. We thought it was time he addressed
the Drug War.
HT: You've defined the War on Drugs as an instrument of population control.
How does it accomplish that?
Noam Chomsky: Population control is actually a term I borrowed from the
counterinsurgency literature of the Kennedy years. The main targets at the
time were Southeast Asia and Latin America, where there was an awful lot of
popular ferment. They recognized that the population was supporting popular
forces that were calling for all kinds of social change that the United
States simply could not tolerate. And you could control people in a number
of ways. One way was just by terror and violence, napalm bombing and so on,
but they also worked on developing other kinds of population-control
measures to keep people subjugated, ranging from propaganda to concentration
camps. Propaganda is much more effective when it is combined with terror.
You have the same problem domestically, where the public is constantly
getting out of control. You have to carry out measures to insure that they
remain passive and apathetic and obedient, and don't interfere with
privilege or power. It's a major theme of modern democracy. As the
mechanisms of democracy expand, like enfranchisement and growth, the need to
control people by other means increases.
So the growth of corporate propaganda in the United States more or less
parallels the growth of democracy, for quite straightforward reasons. It's
not any kind of secret. It is discussed very frankly and openly in business
literature and academic social-science journals. You have to fight the
everlasting battle for the minds of men, in their standard phraseology, to
indoctrinate and regiment them in the way that armies regiment their bodies.
Those are population control measures. This engineering or manufacture of
consent is the essence of democracy, because you have to insure that
ignorant and meddlesome outsiders-meaning we, the people-don't interfere
with the work of the serious people who run public affairs in the interests
of the privileged.
HT: How does the War on Drugs fit into this?
Chomsky: Well one of the traditional and obvious ways of controlling people
in every society, whether it's a military dictatorship or a democracy, is to
frighten them. If people are frightened, they'll be willing cede authority
to their superiors who will protect them:  OK, I'll let you run my life in
order to protect me, that sort of reasoning.
So the fear of drugs and the fear of crime is very much stimulated by state
and business propaganda. The National Justice Commission repeatedly points
out that crime in the United States, while sort of high, is not off the
spectrum for industrialized societies. On the other hand, fear of crime is
far beyond other societies, and mostly stimulated by various propaganda. The
Drug War is an effort to stimulate fear of dangerous people from who we have
to protect ourselves. It is also, a direct form of control of what are
called  dangerous classes, those superfluous people who don't really have
a function contributing to profit-making and wealth. They have to be somehow
taken care of.
HT: In some other countries you just hang the rabble.
Chomsky: Yes, but in the U.S. you don't kill them, you put them in jail. The
economic policies of the 1980's sharply increased inequality, concentrating
such economic growth as there was, which was not enormous, in very few
hands. The top few percent of the population got extremely wealthy as
profits went through the roof, and meanwhile median-income wages were
stagnating or declining sharply since the '70's. Your getting a large mass
of people who are insecure, suffering from difficulty to misery, or
something in between. A lot of them are basically going to be arrested,
because you have to control them.
HT: It's absolutely true, but how do you prove it?
Chomsky: Just by looking at the trend lines for marijuana. Marijuana use was
peaking in the late '70's, but there was not much criminalization. You
didn't go to jail for having marijuana then because the

Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)

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marijuana is hemp is marijuana. just different strains give different
emphasis- fruit or flesh.

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon
(Independent UK) (fwd)

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 On 1 Jul 01, at 9:41, Nessie wrote:

  Hemp is the crop. Hashish is merely one lof the products made from hemp.
  There are others.

 Hashish is NOT made from hemp. Hemp contains very little THC. Hashish is
made
 from cannibis (marijuana). Hemp is not the same as marijuana.

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[CTRL] Clear Link Between Nutrition And Bi-Polar Manic-Depression


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  Clear Link Between Nutrition
  And Bi-Polar Manic-Depression Found
   By Anne McIlroy
 The Globe and Mail
  http://www.globeandmail.com
   7-1-1

  When he was 3, he would colour with black crayons only
  and was obsessed with death. Over the next few months,
  the boy became ultrasensitive to light and noise, began
  curling up in a ball and refused to respond to his parents.
  He wouldn't eat and lost at least 15 per cent of his body
  weight.

  He stopped talking, he wouldn't look at us. It was
  frightening, says his mother, who asked that the family
  not be identified.

  His parents, a professional couple from the Ottawa area
  with two other healthy children, thought that he might be
  showing signs of depression. But like their doctor, they
  couldn't believe the disease could strike someone so
  young.

  We have bipolar disorder [manic depression] in my
  family, my grandmother has it, so we thought there might
  be some link, the 30-year-old mother says.

  Her grandmother's symptoms had dramatically improved
  after trying a mineral supplement developed by two
  Alberta men as an alternative treatment for manic
  depression and other kinds of mental illness. It is based
  on a formula proven to stop erratic behaviour in pigs, and
  contains a wide variety of vitamins and minerals in a form
  that is easy for the body to absorb.

  I said to myself, whatever happens, it won't hurt, the
  mother remembers. She started making her son
  milkshakes with the supplement blended in.

  That was a year ago, and today, her four-year-old son
  has gained 17 pounds, grown six inches, and is an
  intelligent, giggly little boy.

  New-age quackery? The mother says she was cynical
  until she saw how much her son improved.

  Researchers are also taking a close look at whether there
  is a link between nutrition and mental health. More than
  half a dozen clinical trials are under way or in the works in
  Canada and the United States.

  The supplement the boy took was created by David Hardy
  and Tony Stephan, who decided to market the
  supplement after they helped him personally.

  Stephan's wife committed suicide in 1994 after battling
  bipolar disorder for years, and two of his 10 children were
  also diagnosed with the illness. He feared they would also
  take their own lives and expressed his desperation to
  Hardy, a friend whose expertise was in making feed for
  livestock.

  Hardy had an idea.

  With over 20 years as a biologist in the agri-food
  business, I knew that behaviour problems in pigs such as
  ear-and-tail-biting syndrome were treated through the use
  of nutritional supplements, Hardy says.

  On a comparative basis, pigs make excellent subjects:
  They are raised in captivity and their gastrointestinal
  system is very similar to ours. On the basis that their
  'manic' behaviour could be controlled through the use of
  nutritional supplements, we concluded that it was entirely
  feasible that human behaviour could also be treated using
  nutritional supplements.

  Hardy put together a homegrown formula for Stephan's
  children. When they showed remarkable progress, the two
  men formed Synergy Group of Canada Ltd., to sell the
  formula.

  The supplement is in large capsules,

[CTRL] Top Censored Stories of 2000

2001-07-01 Thread radman


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  TOP 25 CENSORED STORIES OF 2000:
http://projectcensored.org/cyearbook.htm


INTRODUCTION: PROJECT CENSORED 25TH ANNIVERSARY
By Noam Chomsky
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/intro.html


1: World Bank and Multinational Corporations Seek
to Privatize Water
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/1.html

2: OSHA Fails to Protect U.S. Workers
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/2.html

3: U.S. Army's Psychological Operations Personnel
Worked at CNN
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/3.html

4: Did the U.S. Deliberately Bomb the Chinese
Embassy in Belgrade?
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/4.html

5: U.S. Taxpayers Underwrite Global Nuclear Power
Plant Sales
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/5.html

6: International Report Blames U.S. and Others
for Genocide in Rwanda
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/6.html

7: Independent Study Points to Dangers of
Genetically Altered Foods
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/7.html

8: Drug Companies Influence Doctors and Health
Organizations to Push Meds
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/8.html

9: EPA Plans to Disburse Toxic/Radioactive Wastes
into Denver's Sewage System
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/9.html

10: Silicon Valley Uses Immigrant Engineers to
Keep Salaries Low
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/10.html

11: United Nations Corporate Partnerships - A
Human Rights Peril
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/11.html

12: Cuba Leads the World in Organic Farming
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/12.html

13: The World Trade Organization is an Illegal
Institution
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/13.html

14: Europe Holds Companies Environmentally
Responsible, Despite U.S. Opposition
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/14.html

15: Gerber Uses the WTO to Suppress Laws that
Promote Breastfeeding
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/15.html

16: Human Genome Project Opens the Door to
Ethnically Specific
Bioweapens
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/16.html

17: IMF and World Bank Staff Tightly Connected to
New Yugoslav Government
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/17.html

18: Indigenous People Challenge Private Ownership
and Patenting of Life
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/18.html

19: U.S. Using Dangerous Fungus to Eradicate Coca
Plants in Colombia
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/19.html

20: Disabled Most Likely to be Victims of Serious
Crime
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/20.html

21: U.S Military Bombing Range Destroys Korean
Village Life
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/21.html

22: U.S. Government Repressed Marijuana-Tumor
Research
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/22.html

23: Very Small Levels of Chemical Exposures Can
be Dangerous
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/23.html

24: Pentagon Seeks Mega-Mergers Between
International Arms Corporations
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/24.html

25: Community Activists Outsit McDonalds
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[CTRL] The Measure of Power

2001-07-01 Thread radman


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The Measure of Power
By Alan Leo June 28, 2001

   Non-intrusive load monitoring gives detailed views of where power is
going, with payoffs for utilities, customers and maybe Big Brother.

California's winter of rolling blackouts left its citizens outraged, its
utilities in crisis and its politicians pointing fingers. Enter Steven Leeb
and Les Norford, two MIT professors with a plan to help electricity
suppliers and consumers figure out where power is going and how to conserve
it.

Leeb, a professor of electrical engineering, and Norford, a professor of
architecture, are working together to test a system called non-intrusive
load monitoring, or NILM (rhymes with film), which uses a wallet-sized
blue box, a PC and some very advanced software to measure fluctuations in
voltage and current hundreds of times each second.

Using complex algorithms, the system's software analyzes these minute
fluctuations to identify a building's electrical loadthe individual
machines drawing power off the line, be they light bulbs, air conditioners
or a washing machine. The system is non-intrusive, explains Leeb, because
it attaches to the outside of a power cable running into a building.

Truly Smart Sensing

While smart metersdevices that gather detailed data about electricity in
a home or businesshave been around for years, researchers call NILM a major
leap over existing technology.

Most smart meters in use today must be connected to the power line, which
makes installation expensive. And such systems take only a few measurements
per minuteor per hour. By taking hundreds of samples each second, the new
monitoring technique can present a far more detailed, high-resolution
picture of electricity use.

It's like a microscope, says Mary Ann Piette, a staff scientist at
Lawrence Berkeley National Lab in Berkeley, CA, where researchers are
testing the system. You're looking at very minute info from the signal
data.

A NILM prototype currently monitors washing machines in an MIT dorm, display
ing the results on the Internet. See that? exclaimed Leeb during a recent
demonstration. Someone just turned on a drier!

cont'd at
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Re: [CTRL] Worldwide Recession Now Hits Mexico


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A recession hiting Mexico is not good for the USA. This means that there will
a flood of illigals coming across the border. Can the economy in the USA
absorp them? Not all of them. This means that crime will go up.
This also means that the illigals will be taking the jobs that graduating
classes from high schools would normally expect to fill. These kids will be
out of work, what will they do to earn a living?
This is not good.

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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Then, these are the bricks which explode in the faces of the workers
and do
serious damage to their bodies?



What are you talking about?

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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)


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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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Hemp is not the same as marijuana.


It's the same plant. Some strains are grown for their stems, some for
their flowers. 

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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)


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 aggression, anti-social behavior, etc. etc.

 I would appreciate your serious answer. 

It is not important to me which populations are culled; however, I do not
understand why there would be a need for such action.  That appears to be
happening at the present time, but the reasons are not to make a better
environment.  I just think they are clearing some areas for better
exploitation.  The folks who are engineering this planet don't really seem
concerned by human behavior, although they do talk a lot.  It is not the
culling of those already here that is necessary, it is the careful planning
of future births that we need to see to.  Lifestyle practices should also be
examined, especially in areas were families live closely so as not to take up
too much room.  Huge houses sitting in the middle of several acres of
carefully barbered weed  feed lawn are not the answer to the space problem
that is going to be a major concern before long.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] latest issue of smart, with info on mind control and abuse

2001-07-01 Thread Smart News


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Dear List,

The latest issue of smart is now out, at
http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Sample-Issue-39.htm

This issue includes a book review of Carol Rutz' new book A Nation Betrayed:
The Chilling and true story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on Our
Children and Other Innocent People.  She will be speaking at our conference
this summer, info is at :
http://members.aol.com/smartnews/smart-2001-conference.htm

It also includes information on Operation Paperclip and the Nazi's, mk-ultra,
court cases, articles on memory, journal articles on abuse and sex
trafficking.

Newsletter subscription information is available at :
http://members.aol.com/smartnews/How-to-subscr-to-S.M.A.R.T.htm

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

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Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians and Homosexual

2001-07-01 Thread lassey


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NASTY, NASTY  comment.




On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:40:00 -0700 Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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 On 1 Jul 01, at 2:09, Aleisha Saba wrote:

  Maybe this author of the following sees what I saw?  Let Our
  Children Go or the Wrath of God will fall upon these sick
 perverted
  twisted people.The Plague of Aids is Upon Them.

 I think hate-filled people who judge others should be sodomized by
 their
 Priest while reciting 500 Hail Marys.

 Steve


  (Just kidding. ;)

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Re: [CTRL] North says publicly that he'll seek seat if district goes his way


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 RICHMOND -- Oliver North told about 80 Republican and local government
officials in southwest Virginia on Sunday that he would run for Congress if
an appropriate district were created for him this year.

 ``If they build it, I will run,'' North said in a telephone interview,
paraphrasing a line from the movie ``Field of Dreams. 

As I recall, this bozo lied to Congress and bragged about it.  He'll be right
at home in the House.  Of course when Republicans lie it's okay--God has
issued them a special permit.  And when Congressmen lie that's just a tactic.
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Re: [CTRL] articles on memory

2001-07-01 Thread Smart News


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Dear list,

Below please find a few articles on memory.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

This may be heavy for survivors to read.



A review of the book A Retractor's Account - Making Of An Illness : My
Experience with Multiple Personality Disorder by MacDonald, Gail, review by
Philip M. Coons, MD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Psych., Indiana Univ.
School of Medicine. In the forward of the book by Campbell Perry, Ph.D.,
scientific board member of FMSF, Dr. Campbell speculates...that her
therapeutic experience was horrible, that she was conned,...who underwent
disguised hypnosis. (He)... makes these statements despite ...recent
research demonstrating that bizarre memories cannot be suggested (Pezdek,
Finger, Hodge, 1997) Dr. Perry did not review the treatment notes, journal
entries...material which was available in this case, nor did he personally
examine (her)... Coon's review describes Mrs. MacDonald's history. Because
Mrs. McDonald tells a highly-biased, one sided account...Is her continuing
memory loss evidence of traumatic amnesia ? ...The psychiatrist who offered
the opinion that (she) had no psychiatric diagnosis was clearly in error...by
(her) own admission... she had a variety of social adjustment problems prior
to therapy.  From pg 109 - 113 of the Journal of Trauma  Dissociation, Vol
1, No. 1, 2000, ISSN 1529-9732, available from The Haworth Press, Inc. 10
Alice St. Birmingham, NY 13904, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 607-722-5857.

Child Abuse  Neglect, 1999, 23, No. 12, pp. 1221-1224. Manufactured Memory,
Altered Belief  and Self Report  Mirage:  The Alleged False Memory of Jean
Piaget Revisited by Frank Leavitt, Ph.D.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psnews/message/328

Suspected repressed childhood sexual abuse: Gender effects on diagnosis and
treatment. Sullins CD Psychology of Women Quarterly 1998 Sep Vol 22(3)
403-418 These results do not support reports that many therapists neglect
clients' current symptoms and instead focus on memories, use controversial
techniques, make suggestive statements regarding abuse, or immediately assume
that their clients have repressed memories.

Iatrogenic memory change. Examining the empirical evidence. Leavitt F Am J
Forensic Psychol (19)2: 21-32, 2001. Certainty of sexual abuse predated
treatment in 33% of the cases. Therapeutic causation was unlikely in another
26% because personal certainty of abuse emerged on average 4.1 years after
termination of treatment. The pattern was similar for groups treated with and
without hypnosis. Remarkably few patients recovered first memories in therapy
with the help of hypnosis. This study places the percentage at 4%. Thus, in
the direct study of patients who recovered memory of childhood sexual abuse,
hypnosis was not an important factor in the emergence of sexual abuse
memories. ...The results do not support widespread implanting of novel
memories of sexual abuse by therapists.

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Presidential Biographer Details Clinton Cocaine Use and Violence


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 Presidential Biographer Details Clinton Cocaine Use and Violence 

Gee, is Kitty Kelly writing another book?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Art Bell smear campaign

2001-07-01 Thread BB


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But... But... But...   Art Bell's WIFE is Filipino ..!!??
What an absurd topic to smear him with 



Schmidt wrote:

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 This is hot off the wires from drudge, so the URL may change.

 Check my website daily

 http://leviathan.weblogs.com

 http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

 X DRUDGE REPORT X SAT JUNE 30, 2001 20:28:31 ET X

 TALKRADIO SENSATION ART BELL VICTIM OF GLOBAL SMEAR CAMPAIGN

 Overnight talkradio sensation Art Bell has been falsely labeled a 'Filipino basher' 
after a phony e-mail message signed 'Art Bell' makes its way around the digital world 
and finally into print, reproduced in a leading Philippine newspaper.

 MORE

 ENTERTAINMENT US TALK RADIO HOST INSULTS FILIPINOS ON INTERNET headlines the July 
1 edition of the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

 In the article, 'Filipinos . . . make me puke,' Bell lambastes Filipinos, the 
paper reports.

 We are printing excerpts from Bell's article: 'The Philippines is a Third World 
country. Nothing respectable has ever been created by Filipino people during our 
entire human history. Nothing good has ever come from Philippines and I don't believe 
anything good ever will...The only Filipinos that can live successfully in Japan are 
the Filipino prostitutes.

 Slight problem.

 The e-mail purporting to be Bell's thoughts and words -- is a hoax!

 The phony Bell message has been posted repeatedly on USENET newsgroups and has been 
referenced in chatrooms.

 One posting has been traced to the Library computer lab at the University of 
California in San Diego. This vicious writing is so obviously a fraud to anyone who 
listens to Bell's program and to those of us who know Bell personally, said a close 
source to the radio host.

 What is so surprising, and alarming, is how it has spread... now a newspaper half 
way around the world has gone and published it!

 Bell is heard on 500 stations nationwide.

 END

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Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer


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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Steve wrote:
 No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys.  But
 try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what
 happens...

It is strange,  just last week you were saying the Breast Cancer post was a hoax.

It is.  One of the things I pointed out that shows how ignorant the
composer of the hoax is regarding human physiology is in the statement
that only certain areas of the body's surface expel toxins.  That is not
true, the entire skin is one organ, and every area of skin expels toxins.

I don't know how you turn that statement into an affirmation of the
premise that using antiperspirants cause breast cancer...


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Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist,


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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, flw wrote:
Rape is impossible without sexual arousal by the male.

Untrue.  There have been cases of impotent men raping women, using some
other object than their penis.


Claiming rape is not sexual but political

I never said it wasn't sexual and I definitely never said it was
political.

What I said -- read my lips so you can get this clearly -- is that it is
a crime of dominance, power, and hatred against women, where sex is the
primary weapon.

It is a fallacy to deem rape as nothing more than sexual arousal out of
control.  Infants have been raped, as have bed-ridden elderly women in
their 90s.


This book is a breath of fresh air. For more than two decades we
have been bullied by feminists abetted by social scientists to believe
that rape is a political, not a sexual, crime.

Again, I never claimed rape was 'political', and I don't believe it is
so.  But dismissing it as nothing more than out-of-control sexual arousal
will never solve the problem of rape.

Rape is a crime of dominance and power...this is obvious in the case of
prison rape.  It is not so obvious in societal rape.  Yet until that
aspect is addressed in dealing with rapists, they will continue to repeat
their crime, and in many cases escalate to murder when rape no longer
provides the power-thrill it once did.

The case mentioned in the original post demonstrates this...even though
the rapist was castrated, which in your opinion would have solved the
problem since the man was no longer capable of sexual arousal, he then
went and attacked a woman, obviously in a sexual manner since he repeated
his modus operandi regarding the victim's bra...but unfortunately he then
went on to kill the victim.

So obviously castration by itself does NOT solve the problem of rape.
One has to get to the root of WHY these men have a need to dominate women
in such a manner, and find out the basis for their deep-seated hatred of
women.  Personally, I believe that once an adult male has reached such a
point that he's actually attacking women in such a manner, that he is
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Re: [CTRL] Art Bell smear campaign

2001-07-01 Thread Carl Amedio

In a message dated 7/1/01 7:40:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
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But... But... But... Art Bell's WIFE is Filipino ..!!??
What an absurd topic to smear him with 



This has been floating for years. like a fungal infection it simply wont go
away.

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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 What are you talking about? 

I'm talking about the people in the third world countries who cook up hash
and have the mixture  explode in their faces.

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[CTRL] Faysal Al-Husseiny in his Last Interview: The Oslo Accords Were a Trojan Horse.


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MEMRI: Faysal Al-Husseiny in his Last Interview: The Oslo Accords Were a
Trojan Horse; The Strategic Goal is the Liberation of Palestine from the
[Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] sea

Special Dispatch - Egypt July 2, 2001 No. 236

On his way to Kuwait, where he died later on of a heart attack, Faysal
Al-Husseiny gave an interview - which turned to be his last - to the
Egyptian (Nasserite) daily, 'Al-Arabi'. Following are excerpts from the
interview with reporter Shafiq Ahmad Ali: (1)

The Oslo Accords: A Trojan Horse

Q: What is happening now, unfortunately, is a natural consequence of
Arafat's signing the Oslo Accords which did not explicitly state that the
settlements should be removed, or even [their construction] halted...and
did not explicitly determine the future of Jerusalem and the right of
return...but - among other mistakes you recently admit - it did explicitly
state that the PA must confiscate weapons from Palestinian civilians...

A: Following the signing of the Oslo Accords... I said three things:
First:
following a long period of pregnancy we brought a child into the world
[the Oslo Accords] who is smaller, weaker, and uglier than what we had
hoped
for. However, despite it all, this is still our child, and we must nurture,
strengthen and develop it so that he is able to stand on his own two feet.

Second, we are the Jews of the 21st Century. Meaning, we the Palestinians
will be the Jews of the early [previous] century. They infiltrated our
country using various methods; using all kinds of passports, and they
suffered greatly in the process. They even had to face humiliation but they
did it all for one goal: to enter our country and root themselves in it
prior to our expulsion out of it. We must act the in the same way they did.
[We must] return [to the land], settle it, and develop new roots in our
land
from where we were expelled; what ever the price may be.

Third, the [ancient] Greek Army was unable to break into Troy due to
[internal] disputes and disagreements [among themselves]. The Greek forces
started retreating one after the other, and the Greek king ended up facing
the walls of Troy all by himself, and he too suffered from illnesses and
[internal] disputes, and ended up leading a failed assault on Troy's
walls.

[Following these events] the people of Troy climbed on top of the walls of
their city and could not find any traces of the Greek army, except for a
giant wooden horse. They cheered and celebrated thinking that the Greek
troops were routed, and while retreating left a harmless wooden horse as
spoils of war. So they opened the gates of the city and brought in the
wooden horse. We all know what happened next.

Had the U.S. and Israel not realized, before Oslo, that all that was left
of the Palestinian National movement and the Pan-Arab movement was a wooden
horse called Arafat or the PLO, they would never have opened their
fortified
gates and let it inside their walls.

Despite the fact that we entered these walls in order to build, unlike the
Greeks who entered them in order to destroy, I now tell you all, all these
to whom I spoke in a secret meeting during the days of Oslo: 'climb into
the
horse and don't question what type of material the horse is made of. Climb
into the horse, and we shall transform your climbing into that horse into a
beginning of a building era rather than an era of the end of hope.

And indeed, there are those who climbed unto the horse and are [now]
inside
[the PA territory] whether they supported the Oslo Accords or not.

Q: But the horse began to ignore criticism from the people, both from
those
who supported Oslo and those who opposed it. [It ignored] criticism about
the true democracy that should lead the horse and about the horse's
corruption.

A: Your words remind me of the famous meeting we had with all the
Palestinian factions three years following Arafat and the PLO's return to
Gaza...the debate revolved around the same issues you are raising - i.e.,
democracy, corruption, etc.

In that meeting - and those who attended are still alive and can attest to
it - I asked to speak. I told everyone: three years ago I said 'climb into
the horse' and everyone entered into the horse and the horse entered into
the walled-in [area]. Now, the time has come for us to say: 'come out of
the
horse and start working. Don't stay inside the horse and don't waist time
and energy while you are inside the horse arguing whether this was a good
horse or not. Look, it is thanks to this horse that you were able to get
into the walled-in city.

So come down out of the horse and start working for the goal for which you
entered the horse to begin with. In my opinion, the Intifada itself is the
coming down out of the horse. Rather than getting into the old
arguments...this effort [the Intifada] could have been much better,
broader,
and more significant had we made it clearer to ourselves that the Oslo
agreement, or any other agreement, is just a

Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon(Independent UK)(fwd)


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Steve wrote:

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 On 1 Jul 01, at 9:41, Nessie wrote:

  Hemp is the crop. Hashish is merely one of the products made from hemp.
  There are others.

Hemp is the crop. It is a variety of canabis. Hemp and Marajuana plants are
bothe canabis. One is grown for the fiber. One is grown for its sticky leaves
and flowers.

The resin for Hash is collected on leather aprons then scraped off and
mixed with filler.


 Hashish is NOT made from hemp. Hemp contains very little THC. Hashish is made
 from cannibis

From canabis staiva, a variety of the Hemp / canabis plant.

 (marijuana). Hemp is not the same as marijuana.

If you've ever tried to smoke rope, you know this is true.


 Steve

Just to confuse the issue... Did you know that canvas comes from the word
cannabis and was a huge part of the old hemp/ maritime industry?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Sharon War Criminal:Delusional am I?... 1/2


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flw wrote:

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   Final Solution  is a Nazi term for genocide. Don't try to compare the
  two situations. It's dishonest.
  J2

   I didn't realize there is a copywrite on that term.

DON'T BE DISHONEST! You're not stupid like Saba. You know very well where
that term originated.

  What would you call
   a plan by some Israelis to exterminate one or two million Palestinians
   a mandatory trip to paradise?

Show me where you came across this  plan . Do you have an 'in' with the
upper echelons of the Israeli government? Or are you just full of shit?

All the Israelis have to do is to move the Palestinians if that's what they
deem worth the trouble they'll catch for it. They don't need to kill them
like Christian Europe and Germany in particular did to the Jews.

This is obscene bullshit.


Isn't it odd that the Disco  Bomber was driven
   to the bomb scene by an Israeli agent - and the target was mostly
   non religious Russians (many not even Jews) who ironically had
   good relations with Palestinians? In a club which welcomed
   Palestinians? Remember the Reichstag Fire?
 
  You're reading to much conspiracy junk. This story is nonsense.
  J2

 Do you deny the following:

 1. The cab driver who took the bomber to the disco was an
 Palestinian Israeli contract agent.
 2. The disco was often patronized by Palestinians.
 3. Most of the clientele were Russian Immigrants who freely
socialized with Palestinians.
 4. The bombing has inflamed public opinion to demand
 retribution against the Palestinians. The Israeli right wing
 has used this bombing in its call to eliminate the Palestinian
 Entity.

 Any objective observer would consider these facts odd.

None of this is odd. How do YOU determine that it's odd. What do you
know about Tel-Aviv society? But even if you believe that it's ' odd ',
so what? Odd doesn't mean proof of any sort whatsoever. It just means that
you don't know anything about anything. It's 'odd' that tornados always
seem to be killing people in trailer parks. But that's not a fact. It's
a personal feeling.

I've been inquiring about that post by Israel Shamir. No one I contacted
in Israel has heard of him. This seems to be Palestinian disinfo at this
point in time. When I can identify the author I can have a better idea as
to whether he knows what he's talking about.

But it's always interesting (and indicative )to see what people choose to
believe.

 Part of a conspiracy? Stranger things have happened in
 this conflict.

 But that must be conspiracy junk...like claiming odd
 circumstances surrounding the Rabin assassination.
 flw

Again, odd compared to what? The Kennedy assassination? The assassination
of the Tzar? Abe Lincoln? What are comparing it to? It was a political
assaination. What's odd about that?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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On 1 Jul 01, at 21:59, c. wrote:

 marijuana is hemp is marijuana. just different strains give different
 emphasis- fruit or flesh.


Not correct, c. Hemp and marijuana are related but different. Our governments would
like you to believe that they are the same however.  Read on...

http://zimafoods.ca/diff.html

HEMP VS. MARIJUANA
 Well now that you know how good the seed is, also how many uses there are for the
plant, what really is the difference between hemp
 and marijuana?
Marijuana is a tobacco-like substance produced by drying the leaves and flowering
parts, or buds, of the Cannabis plant. These particular
parts of the Cannabis plant are selected for illicit use due to the concentration of
tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in those particular areas of the
plant. THC is the chemical present in marijuana that produces the drug user's
psychoactive, or high, effect. Most wild
marijuana found growing in Canada and the United States has a THC concentration of
less 0.5 percent, compared to
Colombian or Mexican varieties with a THC content ranging normally between 3 to 7
percent. An increase has been noted by
law enforcement in recent years of large scale domestic production of marijuana
containing much higher THC values,
sometimes with a THC content as high as 25 percent.
Marijuana is normally used in its dry form by rolling the same into cigarettes, or 
joints,
and smoked. A wide variety of other
smoking utensils, primarily in the form of pipes, are also used.
Hemp on the other hand is a non-psychoactive cannabis variety. Originally there was
no marijuana per say, just fields of hemp
grown for fibre, oils and livestock feed as well as food for humans. When the slaves of
the early 1800's began to realize that by
smoking the flowering tops of the hemp plant they achieved a measure of relief from
the horrible lives they were living as slaves! Thus began
  the association between the evil weed marijuana and hemp. It was also 
the
Mexicans who were smoking the weed before
  battle, the song La Cucaracha being about a soldier who refused to 
march
without some marijuana to smoke. Although
  there are similarities, the differences are greater by far.

Click here to see the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 1911 entry on hemp.

Although many people think hemp and marijuana are the same it would be best to
describe them as cousins. Hemp is meant as an industrial
crop. Much like flax or cotton. Hemp can be used for many things, just check out the
uses page and see. Hemp is a wonder plant! If you leave
aside the 40,000 + products that can be made from hemp the mere fact that it has
survived the US War on drugs never ceases top amaze
me. People though don't realize that countries unaffected by US foreign policy didn't
stop growing hemp at all. Countries like Poland, Russia,
India and China to just name a few. Fortunately for us we can now go to these peoples
and regain the information we require to create our own
hemp industry right here in North America.
So why does the US have it's War on Drugs while Canada uses hemp to create a new
industry within it's borders? There seems to be a
definite difference in thinking between Health Canada's way of dealing with hemp and
the US's DEA. Why does Health Canada allow hemp to
be grown all across Canada while just a few kilometers south of the border the DEA is
actively spraying wild hemp in order to eradicate all
hemp from within it's borders?
That of course is not a one two three answer but simply put Health Canada is a branch
of the Government regulating health issues, getting it's
budget to do just that. The DEA under which the hemp issue is big business, $500
million US last year alone given to the organization to
eradicate wild hemp and that says nothing of the marijuana enforcement dollars. So in
short, by regulating the growth of the hemp industry in
Canada the government is creating jobs for the farmers and for the manufacturing
sector. If it were legalized in the states, the paramilitary like
DEA would lose a lot of it's funding and also it would lose face. The Government there
has worked long and hard, since 1937, to convince it's
peoples that hemp is bad, why change now and lose all of the lies it's created!

and
http://www.azhemp.org/Package/Legal/legal.html

HEMP vs. MARIJUANA

The word hemp is English for a number of varieties of the cannabis plant, 
particularly
the varieties like industrial hemp that were bred over time for industrial uses such 
as
fuel, fiber, paper, seed, food, oil, etc.

The term marijuana is of Spanish derivation, and was primarily used to describe
varieties of cannabis that were more commonly bred over time for medicinal and
recreational purposes, like cannabis indica , and certain strains of cannabis sativa.

In fact, when all forms of hemp were made illegal in the early part of the last 
century, it
was used in the majority of the prescription drugs then sold in America.  That was

Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK) (fwd)


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I'm talking about the people in the third world countries who cook up
hash  and have the mixture  explode in their faces.


Where'd you hear this? It's absurd. Hash isn't cooked. The process
doesn't involve any heat whatsoever.

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Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians andHomosexual

2001-07-01 Thread Mark McHugh


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 NASTY, NASTY  comment.
 

 On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:40:00 -0700 Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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  On 1 Jul 01, at 2:09, Aleisha Saba wrote:
 
   Maybe this author of the following sees what I saw?  Let Our
   Children Go or the Wrath of God will fall upon these sick
  perverted
   twisted people.The Plague of Aids is Upon Them.
 
  I think hate-filled people who judge others should be sodomized by
  their
  Priest while reciting 500 Hail Marys.
 
  Steve
 
 
   (Just kidding. ;)
 
  ANOMALOUS IMAGES
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Didn't comedian Bill Hicks have the best comment about religion, child
molestation and government intervention?  Something like If the
government was worried about children being molested by the Branch
Davidians why don't we see tanks attacking St. Patrick's?

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Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist,


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FWIW, heres part of what my editor cut from a column I wrote about gun
control (http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/33.html). The eleven minutes
refers to another paragraph (also cut) about 911 response time.

*



Then theres rape. There are no political solutions to rape. Even
eliminating sexism entirely, a very difficult  job in itself, will not
eliminate rape because rape is only partly about sexism. Rape is
primarily about power (http://www.prisoners.com/license.html). It
transcends gender (http://www.prisoners.com/rapesex.html). It even
transcends species. Dolphins
(http://www.whalewatch.co.nz/_disc3/017b.htm) do it. Chimps
(http://www.harvard-magazine.com/issues/jf97/right.chimp.html) do it.
And theyre not the only ones. Its part of life the  way bad weather is
part of life. It happens sometimes and when it does, either youre
prepared to deal with it or you are not. 

The only certain prevention of rape happens in person, on the spot, and
is the work of the intended victim  and/or of persons nearby at the
time. Almost always it requires force or the credible threat of force.
Appealing to the rapists better nature doesnt work. He doesnt have
one. What gun control is really about is the empowerment of rapists.
Is this what the left really wants to do, to empower rapists? Dont ask
me. Ask a leftist. Eleven minutes is plenty enough time to get raped at
least once, twice if theres two of them. What the proponents of gun
control are really advocating is that if it happens to you, you may as
well just lie back and enjoy it, because you wont have any choice. But
then, not having any choice is what rape is all about  in the first
place, isnt it? 

Have you ever been raped? Do you have any idea what it feels like?
Hopefully not yet. Hopefully not ever. But roughly one out of four
women, and one out of ten men, do know what it feels like, exactly what
it feels like,  from their own personal experience. When you stop and
think about it, those arent very good odds at all. So dont believe for
a minute that it cant happen to you. If it does, while its happening,
think about this: 

No one ever raped a .45, not ever, not even once. 

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Re: [CTRL] Top Censored Stories of 2000

2001-07-01 Thread Damian B. Cooper


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  TOP 25 CENSORED STORIES OF 2000:
http://projectcensored.org/cyearbook.htm




25: Community Activists Outsit McDonalds
http://projectcensored.org/c2001stories/25.html


THIS is one of the TOP 25 CENSORED STORIES OF 2000?

What a bunch of Barbra Streisand.

For all I know, if I had ever seen this story in a newspaper or had it pushed
in my face by Dan Blather, I would have ignored it.

I think it is more accurately described as one of the Top 25 Propaganda
Initiatives That The Left Had High Hopes For But Which Flopped
Miserably Because No One Gave a Flip.

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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)

2001-07-01 Thread Damian B. Cooper


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At 07:45 PM 7/1/01 -0400, Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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...  It is not the
culling of those already here that is necessary, it is the careful planning
of future births that we need to see to.
   Prudy


Does it make any difference WHICH populations have their future births
carefully planned by the authorities to achieve the end of world population
reduction?

Specifically, should the authorities use a world population reduction
program as an opportunity to remove specific populations that are historically
troublesome, backward, or otherwise undesirable?

I would appreciate your serious answer.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement


So here it is - Jihud and Diamons are forever; now it took one of our
Ohio representatives to start the investigation.

Maybe now we will know where and why Israel has all these diamonds they
do not mine; however, it should be noted this KGB plant in the FBI
without a doubt is no Catholic  he was about as Catholic as that
Japanese Sharpshooter..nice fronts.

And of course the Catholic Church had been infiltrated way back in 1960
- but the same murderers - this same secret society that murdered JFK,
Lincoln, and the Czar - where they getting all the diamonds?

Saba

I look at McVeigh and I think he is about as Scotch as say a McHugh in
disguise?
The name game..but this FBI Agent working for KGB/Mossad paid in
diamonds?

NBC News
NEW YORK, July 1   For centuries, diamonds have been a symbol of
love. But in some parts of the world, they've become an instrument of
war. They're called conflict diamonds  sold to pay for armies
terrorizing some of the poorest people on earth. Human rights groups
have been trying to halt the trade, and many jewelers will tell you they
try not to buy or sell conflict diamonds. Should you believe them? Dr.
Bob Arnot reports.
          
 

 
 
       IF YOU HAVE a glass of wine tonight, you're going to
know exactly where that bottle of wine came from. Why shouldn't you know
where that diamond is coming from? says Rep. Tony Hall, D-Ohio.
       Almost anything you buy  running shoes, furniture,
groceries  comes with a label telling you where it's from. Why not
diamonds  perhaps one of the most expensive items you'll ever buy?
       There's no paper trail, says Hall. There's no system
to stop conflict diamonds.
       Conflict diamonds are diamonds that are financing wars in
Africa and costing millions of innocent people their lives and limbs.
Hall says the only way to stop this bloodshed is to stop buying diamonds
from these war zones.
       You should ask the question, 'Where is this diamond
from?'  says Hall. If that jeweler says, 'I don't know,' don't buy a
diamond there until he finds out.
       But how do you find out? Right now, after a diamond is
cut and polished, there's no way to know. For the past three years, Hall
has pushed legislation so consumers can make sure the diamonds they are
buying are not linked to human suffering.
       In Sierra Leone, rebels  funded by diamond profits 
have waged a campaign of terror, hacking off the limbs of civilians.
       In Angola, again, diamonds are paying for weapons in
fighting that has driven millions of people from their homes.
       And the biggest losses are in the Congo  it's
estimated that in the last three years, 2.5 million people have lost
their lives because armies are fighting over the country's diamonds and
other mineral resources.
       If you didn't have diamonds in the Congo, you wouldn't
have this war, says Alex Yearlsey of the London-based Global Witness, a
human rights group that has brought international attention to conflict
diamonds.
       Diamonds in the Congo are the major resource, the major
reason the conflict has been going on for so long. When Dateline
visited, we saw a little girl, Vamilia, who was shot in the leg and
watched her parents were killed in front of her.
       It's important to keep in mind that not all diamonds
cause despair. The majority of diamonds are clean and even benefit the
countries that produce them. But conflict diamonds are a significant
number.
       In the United States, whether it's the 15 percent that
the human rights groups claim or the 4 percent the diamond industry
asserts, sales of conflict diamonds adds up to well more than $100
million. Although it's not illegal to buy or sell conflict diamonds in
this country, the United Nations and the United States have imposed some
import bans and humanitarian groups have expressed outrage  all
pressure that the jewelry industry is well aware of.
       We're working so hard for a meaningful solution to this
problem, says Matt Runcie, who heads the Jewelers of America, a trade
organization of 11,000 jewelry stores.
       Runcie says no jeweler can make any guarantees until a
system is in place to make sure diamonds are clean.
       The truth is, however, that today, retail jewelers in
America cannot provide the complete assurance that consumers have every
right to seek in connection with the sale of an individual diamond,
says Runcie.
       

       
       
'DATELINE NBC' INVESTIGATES
       So what are jewelers telling customers who ask about
conflict diamonds? Dateline went on a shopping trip with hidden
cameras to find out. We visited Tiffany's, Cartier and Harry Winston 
three premiere diamond sellers on New York's Fifth Avenue. They were all
willing to tell us about color, clarity and carat size, but listen to
what happened when we asked where the diamonds were from.
       At Tiffany's, one saleswoman told us just what the
Jewelers of America advises its members to tell customers. We make
every

[CTRL] NY Father Stabs His Three Sons

2001-07-01 Thread M. F. Abernathy


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Some many incidents of *odd* behavior these days...I wonder WHY??!
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New York father shot dead after stabbing 3 children

http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/36228p-590318c.html

The Associated Press


SYRACUSE, N.Y. (July 1, 2001 10:24 p.m. EDT) - As the mother watched
helplessly outside a locked window, a father stabbed his three young
boys, killing two, before he was shot and killed by police.

Police said Cuong Tran, 33, lunged at them with a knife when they found
him Saturday night in a bedroom of the family's home, standing over one
of the children.

Sons Randy, 5, and Danny, 6, died in the attack. Seven-year-old Andy was
in serious but stable condition Sunday. The mother, whose identity was
not released, was unhurt.

Sgt. David Sackett said Sunday that investigators were still
investigating the Vietnamese man's background and did not know what
caused the deadly outburst. It was not clear whether Tran was living
with the family.

Sackett said the mother arrived home late Saturday. Her screams prompted
a neighbor to call 911. Police forced their way into the locked home,
where an officer fired a single shot that killed Tran.

The officer will not be identified until a grand jury considers whether
the shooting was justified, which is common practice after a police
shooting, Sackett said.




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