Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- That presupposes that they HAD clones. I really believe this was one bit of super-science the soviets managed to keep all to themselves and known only to a small number of people for many years. The current applications of the technology may be theirs being applied commercially, or it may have been sucesfully discovered independantly by Western researchers. Consider also the far greater leeway Soviet scientists had in regards to human subjects and mortality rates, compared to the US and other Western countries which, while these abuses happen infrequently, they try to keep it quiet and hence can't use as much money, personnel etc. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nessie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles -Caveat Lector- a 30 or 40 year headstart Consider when clones of J.Edgar Hoover, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lyndon Johnson would have needed to have been born. This disproves nothing considering the possibilities of time travel and/or accelerated feeding/development in a lab. Could it be the alien abduction phenomenon with the fetuses being stolen is a cloning/replacement program? Many abductees are now saying humans actually do the abductions, hiding behind a holographic projection of "aliens." If intelligence agencies were/are conducting such programs that most people would consider "evil," it would be very convenient to blame a scapegoat that is not human and not from Earth. Telling the abductees they are "chosen ones" is a very clever use of the human ego to distract and deceive the victim. Only entities with knowledge of human nature could conceive this strategy. Those from other worlds would not even have the concept; the only way to understand human nature even a little bit is to experience being human. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- a 30 or 40 year headstart Consider when clones of J.Edgar Hoover, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lyndon Johnson would have needed to have been born. This disproves nothing considering the possibilities of time travel and/or accelerated feeding/development in a lab. Could it be the alien abduction phenomenon with the fetuses being stolen is a cloning/replacement program? Of course, I forgot to include the possibility of time travel (another common scientific error). If you could travel back in time, why not go back to when the person was at their physical/mental prime and take them to the present? Assuming you couldn't alter what had already happened, Hey Presto you're young again! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- time travel and/or accelerated feeding/development in a lab. alien abduction phenomenon with the fetuses being stolen is a cloning/replacement program? Yeah, and it could be divine intervention, too. But I dont think so. When an explanation requires a paradigm shift, it also requires extraordinarily solid empirical proof. Many abductees are now saying humans actually do the abductions, hiding behind a holographic projection of "aliens." Now your onto something. But holographic projection is neither necessary, nor in all probability a technological possibility. But zap some guy with a LIDA, shoot him full of scopolamine, dance around in front of him in a rubber suit while he's too stoned to see straight, beam some gobbledy-gook about some United Federation of Planets directly into his brain with a Frey Effect transmitter, and burn a little pattern onto his skin with some radium so hell have a memento of the experience to show the world, and hell yes hell believe he was abducted by aliens. Wouldn't you? See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/31.html A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Calvin Burgin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles By the way, I appreciate your posting the Fire From The Sky document on the internet, at the time I did not know how and was not even on the internet (except for some business networks that technically was internet I suppose). Calvin, Thanks for the VERY enlightening response to my half-enlightened post. To be honest I did not know you subscribed to CTRL. There's more to the story of Fire From the Sky. Back in 1996 I got a call from someone wanting to know if it had been published in print form. About the same time Bob Girard of Arcuturus Books in Port St. Lucie, FL was listing a printed version in his catalog. I told the fellow about the copyright policy of Contact and that I thought it would not violate copyright law. Soon the series was listed in the catalog again, but this time with only parts 1-14 included. It seems someone, perhaps Girard, was wary of the material on the fate of the Third Reich, which did not jive with conventional history. Then it disappeared altogether, and as far as I know still has not been published or distributed outside the internet except by you personally. The unfortunate aspect of this is that as a result of Steve Wingate including my name in the introduction to FFS on his website, many people assumed I had written the series. Prior to changing my email address I received mail from some people who were quite upset. As recently as last summer I got a phone call from a fellow in Maine who emails UFO information to a small list, profusely thanking me for writing Fire From the Sky, how it explained everything. He pointed me to the members-only area of CSETI where he had read the series. I explained who had really written it. I STILL think FFS is the most important information in one source I have seen because it shows the conspiracy can be successful when control of information is the method used. They push black-and-white thinking from kindergarten on and that eliminates rational thinking in most people. Those who break out of that do something I call "breaking hypnosis" and it can be quite a shock to the system. As to Bush, Hoover, etc. being shape-shifters, I did not think that was a question -- how would I know whether they are or not? It just seems they are responsible for more than one physical being can possibly be involved in, thus the question of the possibility there could be more than one of certain individuals. most everything I wrote was already written somewhere else. Although I am the author of the Fire From The Sky document, I point out that it is just quotations from others. I was a compiler more than an author. FFS was thoroughly documented for anyone who wants to check the sources. I have seen some of the out-of-print books you quoted at flea markets and other places. 8 astronauts were MURDERED the same year because they resisted the hoax. The rest of the astronauts got the message and went along with the program. Do you know what the "quarantine" the astronauts endured was designed to accomplish? "Contact was financed primarily through money provided by a wealthy eccentric from Austin, TX." Once again, no. Thanks for clearing that up. What was the story behind Contact's demise? Calvin Burgin AKA "One Who Knows" (how would you like to be stuck with that name? grin) I hope everyone understands now that you are a real person just like the rest of us. Now if Branton would only claim his real identity it would do a lot for his credibility. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- The significance of this series, to me, was that it explained what happened to the U.S. Space Program after 1975 better than anything else I have seen. That doesnt mean its true. Prior to then there are good histories by many astronauts and others associated with the space program. Most write very little or nothing about the space program after Project Apollo ended. Could that be because the Shuttle program was rushed into use as spy apparatus after all U.S. spy satellites were destroyed, as stated in "Fire From The Sky?" If anyone has a better explanation I would love to see it. Maybe they have trouble finding publishers because there isnt much of a market. On the whole, the public is bored to tears with NASA. Unfortunately many took the significance of the series to be that the Nazis escaped. That, to me, was a side issue. I was accused of being a neo-Nazi, an anti-semite and a "Nazi historian" when I didn't even write the series. The essence of effective disinformation is that it is almost all true. The lies are slipped in, usually as tangents. In fact, the Nazi hierarchy did get away and they got away with the money. They had major assistance from western especially US, intelligence and from the Vatican. All this saucer/Antarctica hooey is disinfo to cover up how it really happened. The other unfortunate aspect of this is the absence of good information gives credence to the ridiculous claims that Project Apollo astronauts never went to the moon. Only to the gullible. It does, however, raise some interesting questions which should be investigated. There is, for example, the distinct possibility that the Biefeld-Brown effect has made rocketry obsolete, that this has been covered up (for a variety of reasons) and that NASA is essentially a massive boondoggle, an enormous black hole into which money can be made to disappear. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html I find it interesting that Nessie and "One Who Knows" used some of the same sources in their research. Research, which I might add, is confined to published material in print and on the web. As far as I know, neither interviewed anyone with first-hand knowledge. Yeah, thats a real problem. I, personally, wasnt born till 1948, so I missed out on the Nazi escape. But even if I had been alive and of age, unless I had been in with the in crowd, I never would have been told what was happening. The same problem exists with modern covert activities, especially when they concern such a massive and layered entity as NASA. NASA, we must remember, was founded primarily by Nazi scientists. It would be foolish to assume that they stopped being Nazis, or part of the underground Nazi apparatus, just because they were Paperclipped into this country. For details, read the Torbitt Document. The primary difference is that "One Who Knows" used the writings of Commander Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, as channeled through George Green and Doris Ekker. Channeling is a lot of superstitious clap-trap. Its nothing but Nineteenth Century spiritualism dressed up in modern clothes. Its swapped frocked coats and bustles for tie-dye and crystals, but its still just as hollow inside. Fools believe in channeling and, like the fools of the Nineteenth Century are soon parted from their money. A word of warning: Calvin is quite sensitive about any questioning of his conclusions about the world. When I suggested by email last year that the group that was heard planning the JFK assassination which included J. Edgar Hoover, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lyndon Johnson (among others) might have been shapeshifting aliens or clones of those people, he stopped communicating with me. Neither of these things are even remotely possible. Cloning wasnt possible early enough. Shape shifting defies the laws of physics. Things that don't make sense begin to make a lot more sense, especially the way the U.S. government acts in the face of anything it cannot rationally explain. If by make sense you mean that the theory has internal logic and consistency, then yes it does. However, a valid theory must have more than internal logic and consistency. it must be grounded in empirical fact. Falkland Islands. Can be easily explained by internal Argentine politics. Grenada. By the airstrip. Waco. Happened three days after conviction, at their second trial, of two of the cops who beat Rodney King. Even holding a second trial was a sing of weakness and a concession to the mob. Waco was Uncle Sams way of showing he could still get it up. Also, Waco, spawned a panoply of resistance grouplets, many armed. This in turn served to justify the dramatic increase in repression and surveillance we have seen and the accompanying reduction in basic civil rights and liberties. This was further exasperated by World Trade Center. and Oklahoma City. Both of which were the work of agents provocateur. Kobe. was in all likelihood a natural
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- This is how children think. Get over it. Grow up. Think like a scientist. Every event is a separate event and must be analyzed on the basis of the empirical data available. OK, Nessie, now that we know you can explain everything, one question: Ever see anything you couldn't explain or didn't understand? All the people I know who think they know everything are teenagers. What's your excuse? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Sorry about the flattery. It won't happen again. I din't mean to sound ungrateful. I really do appreciate it. I'm just concerned that some people might stop thinking for themselves and just let me think for them. This would be a major error on their parts. I'm not nearly as smart as I sound. I'm just good with words, that's all. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Ever see anything you couldn't explain or didn't understand? Of course. But I never see two things I can't explain and automatically assume they have the same explanation. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- --- Calvin Burgin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "...a total of 8 astronauts were MURDERED the same year because they resisted the hoax. The rest of the astronauts got the message and went along with the program." Nakano comments: For those not old enough to remember, Senator John Glenn was one of the original Mercury Astronauts. He was the first American to orbit the earth. The following quote from Glenn indicates he was one who "got the message." "Back in those glory days, I was very uncomfortable when they asked us to say things we didn't want to say and deny other things. Some people asked, you know, were you alone out there? We never gave the real answer, and yet we see things out there, strange things, but we know what we saw out there. And we couldn't really say anything. The bosses were really afraid of this, they were afraid of the War of the Worlds type stuff, and about panic in the streets. So we had to keep quiet. And now we only see these things in our nightmares or maybe in the movies, and some of them are pretty close to being the truth." -- Senator John Glenn (Quoted from Richard Hoagland's enterprisemission.com Regards to All Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Cloning has been theoretically possible for decades. There has been speculation for many years that wealthy individuals were paying to have themselves cloned (probably without much success). There was a book in the 70's (widely believed to be a hoax) claiming to be a (French?) journalist's account of a wealthy US businessman's sucessful raising of his clone as his son. I'm sure others on the list know the book I'm talking about. The older version of 'cloning' was to take an ovum and a sperm/DNA sample and manually, with very tiny instruments, insert the desired DNA material into the ovum, and then the whole into the 'mother' (like normal in vitro fertilisation) hopefully leading to the person/animal being born again. And then there's the Yeltsin business. How was it that he'd be staggering around in public and then have a massive heart attack, and a few weeks later he'd be back to normal only to rapidly deteriorate again (all this was in front of the world's television cameras.) Theory: He got to the technology late, but found some Soviet era lab who whipped him up some 'carbon copy' type clones. This is well advanced to what cloning in the west is currently, but then maybe they've had a 30 or 40 year headstart? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- The following quote from Glenn Anything that a successful politician says must be evaluated within the context of the ability to lie with a straight face being one of the skills necessary to the job. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- a 30 or 40 year headstart Consider when clones of J.Edgar Hoover, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lyndon Johnson would have needed to have been born. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- When hasn't Nessie supplied us with a steady flow of GodDAMN, brilliant writing, and great pieces?! Look, I'm flattered and all, but let's be realistic here. My talent with language is something I was born with, and while I'm glad it happened, I cant honestly take credit. Its either the work of God or the work of blind chance, depending on which you choose to believe. But style is not what my writing is about. My writing is about research. I look stuff up I tell you what I find. Research takes very little talent, if any. Research is not about inspiration. Research is about perspiration. If you know what youre looking for, and you just keep looking and you do it in a thorough and systematic fashion, sooner or later you will find it. Its a lot more like digging a ditch than it is like rocket science. The trouble with conspiracy research, and historical research in general, is not that its difficult, but that so few people seem willing to make the effort to dig. Most people seem willing to let others dig for them. Not every alleged researcher digs their ditch in a straight line. A lot of them shovel pure crap. The result is massive and widespread delusions. This is not accidental. There are people out there who get paid to tell you lies and to distract and divert you from the reality of their masters crimes. Other people do it for sport. It behooves anyone who wants to know whats really going on out there to find out for themselves. This means going to multiple sources, and whenever possible to primary sources. Above all, it means not taking any single guys word for anything, not even mine. This is not difficult to do, nor is it an unpleasant way to pass time. But it is time consuming. The essence of effective research is time management. Life is short. How much of it do you really want to spend listening to one or two guys who may or may not be lying or wrong? Youll never learn the truth of anything from one guy, except the nature of his own opinions. If you want an opinion, have one of your own. But base it on facts, not somebody elses opinions. If a guy said something happened, find out if hes telling the truth. First check his sources. If he gave none, hes lying. If he gives only a single source, theyre lying. Conspiracy, by its very nature, is buried under a pile of lies. Conspiracy theory isnt built, its uncovered. Youre not trying to build rockets. Youre digging a ditch. Every shovel full of crap you fling over your shoulder, the closer to your goal you are. If theres a guy in front of you digging, the crap he flings lands in your face. Get out in front of him. Fling crap behind you. Then youll make progress, IMHO. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nessie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles This is sci-fi. For the real story, see: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html As the one who originally sent the Fire From The Sky series to Steve Wingate over 5 years ago, I feel compelled to step in with a comment or two. The significance of this series, to me, was that it explained what happened to the U.S. Space Program after 1975 better than anything else I have seen. Prior to then there are good histories by many astronauts and others associated with the space program. Most write very little or nothing about the space program after Project Apollo ended. Could that be because the Shuttle program was rushed into use as spy apparatus after all U.S. spy satellites were destroyed, as stated in "Fire From The Sky?" If anyone has a better explanation I would love to see it. Unfortunately many took the significance of the series to be that the Nazis escaped. That, to me, was a side issue. I was accused of being a neo-Nazi, an anti-semite and a "Nazi historian" when I didn't even write the series. The other unfortunate aspect of this is the absence of good information gives credence to the ridiculous claims that Project Apollo astronauts never went to the moon. I find it interesting that Nessie and "One Who Knows" used some of the same sources in their research. Research, which I might add, is confined to published material in print and on the web. As far as I know, neither interviewed anyone with first-hand knowledge. The primary difference is that "One Who Knows" used the writings of Commander Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, as channeled through George Green and Doris Ekker. These writings appeared in the Phoenix Liberator and its successors, including Contact: The Phoenix Project. They are also included in the Phoenix Journals. Archives of these publications can be found in pdf form at www.contactnews10.com Contact was financed primarily through money provided by a wealthy eccentric from Austin, TX who died a couple years ago. When he died, so did Contact. For anyone who would like to contact "One Who Knows," he is Calvin Burgin of Austin, a friend of the wealthy eccentric, and he now claims authorship of FFS and other similar writings. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] A word of warning: Calvin is quite sensitive about any questioning of his conclusions about the world. When I suggested by email last year that the group that was heard planning the JFK assassination which included J. Edgar Hoover, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lyndon Johnson (among others) might have been shapeshifting aliens or clones of those people, he stopped communicating with me. Try, if you can, to imagine the history of the past 24 years if the Soviets (or Russians, whichever you prefer) did indeed have the skies blanketed with Cosmospheres equipped with Tesla particle-beam weapons. Things that don't make sense begin to make a lot more sense, especially the way the U.S. government acts in the face of anything it cannot rationally explain. Falkland Islands. Grenada. Waco. World Trade Center. Kobe. Oklahoma City. Challenger. Hurricanes. Strange weather. TWA 800. KAL 007. Add your own items to the list. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Dale, I am on the Conspiracy Theory Research List and saw the message you sent. I have to smile at your statement "Calvin is quite sensitive about any questioning of his conclusions about the world" and you said I stopped communicating with you because of something you said. No, my friend, the medium of email does not convey the nuances of messages and people often misunderstand. If I was sensitive about what people thought about what I write I would not write it. I have no ill will nor any other negative feeling against you or your questions! I am just very busy, and I routinely get about 50 to 150 emails A DAY (many from this list) and I simply cannot keep up with all of it. By the way, I appreciate your posting the Fire From The Sky document on the internet, at the time I did not know how and was not even on the internet (except for some business networks that technically was internet I suppose). As to Bush, Hoover, etc. being shape-shifters, I did not think that was a question -- how would I know whether they are or not? Although in fact the Russians made their breakthrough in scalar technology in the 1970's and developed clones in the late 1970's using physics that involves holograms, which could lead to more understanding of the shape-shifting phenomena. At some point, everything in the universe is a shape-shifter. You can find more than you wanted to know on this from Tom Bearden, Walter Russell and David Icke. Since I am the "One Who Knows" of the original Battle of the Harvest Moon document, how about I make some statements to clear up some points (which will only cause more questions, I know). The name "One Who Knows" was not my idea, it was given to me by a man who was in solitary confinement in prison as a direct result of what he knew about the Mena, Arkansas, Bush/Clinton drug operation. It is explained in my Fire From the Sky document, the various internet versions of it may or may not contain the story. In the 1970's I worked in the secret section of Control Data Corporation in Sunnyvale, Calif. CDC had the world's most powerful computers at the time: the Cyber series, the Star 100, the Cray (Seymour Cray worked for Control Data. Later when he started his own company, Norris the owner of CDC financed the Cray Corporation and owned part of it). As a direct result we worked on the United States' most secret projects. Such as weather satellites -- which do more than weather, such as the computers under Cheyenne Mountain, and such as spy satellites. I had two security clearances, one official and one unofficial. The security clearances and all are really beside the point, because most everything I wrote was already written somewhere else. Although I am the author of the Fire From The Sky document, I point out that it is just quotations from others. I was a compiler more than an author. You stated that the writings were channeled through George Green and Doris Ekker from Hatonn (pronouncedd Aton). Well, Green was just a publisher, Doris was the channeler and the channeled material was mostly spiritual. The Battle of the Harvest Moon material did not come from Hatonn, it came from Dr. P. D. Beter who was involved in clandestine activities for MI6 and the Queen of England, he was assigned to the Export/Import Bank by President Kennedy. Beter praticed law before the U.S. Supreme Court, he knew Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General George Brown personally and had secret contacts with Brown. Beter also had contact with extraterrestrials, he was the go-between between Brown and Hatonn. Brown got canned and later murdered because of that contact. Yes, some of the Nazi's escaped and made contacts that lead directly to Ronald Reagan and George Bush. I am sure you know this already. Yes, the astronauts went to the moon - but NASA lied about the whole program and gave us a false story. Check with Richard Hoagland, R. Rene, etc. Many have seen that the NASA material is hoaxed and have concluded that we did not go to the moon. We went to the moon all right, but that true story is highly classified. One of the original plans for the moon program is in the back of the book The Day After Roswell by Philip Curso. I used to get a note every week from a man who was the camera operator for the moon landing hoaxed films. He died a few months ago now so I can't refer you to him. Just do your homework -- the year that Gus Grissom, Edgar White and Roger Chaffee (Chaffee was U2 pilot with Frances Gary Powers and pilot that took the pictures that led to the Cuban Missile Crisis. The man who read the pictures and reported to the President is one of my customers, he works for the Texas Department of Transportation, and another of the U2 pilots is a friend of mine who is also my competitor, his business is the same as mine and his shop is across town from me) and a total of 8 astronauts were MURDERED the same year because they resisted the hoax. The rest of
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Jeez, all I was saying was that, IMO, your CTRL posts and web articles almost always seem to be well worth the read -- and I was quoting Bill's word's, NOT mine. It's not like I believe you have a monopoly on the truth or anything, or that you're "all that", and whatnot. In fact, if it makes you feel any better, in "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" Antony C. Sutton said about everything you mentioned in that article even better then you said it. (And it's not as if Sutton has a monopoly on the so-called 'truth' either.) http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/ Sorry about the flattery. It won't happen again. Nessie wrote: When hasn't Nessie supplied us with a steady flow of GodDAMN, brilliant writing, and great pieces?! Look, I'm flattered and all, but let's be realistic here. My talent with language is something I was born with, and while I'm glad it happened, I cant honestly take credit. Its either the work of God or the work of blind chance, depending on which you choose to believe. But style is not what my writing is about. My writing is about research. I look stuff up I tell you what I find. Research takes very little talent, if any. Research is not about inspiration. Research is about perspiration. If you know what youre looking for, and you just keep looking and you do it in a thorough and systematic fashion, sooner or later you will find it. Its a lot more like digging a ditch than it is like rocket science. The trouble with conspiracy research, and historical research in general, is not that its difficult, but that so few people seem willing to make the effort to dig. Most people seem willing to let others dig for them. Not every alleged researcher digs their ditch in a straight line. A lot of them shovel pure crap. The result is massive and widespread delusions. This is not accidental. There are people out there who get paid to tell you lies and to distract and divert you from the reality of their masters crimes. Other people do it for sport. It behooves anyone who wants to know whats really going on out there to find out for themselves. This means going to multiple sources, and whenever possible to primary sources. Above all, it means not taking any single guys word for anything, not even mine. This is not difficult to do, nor is it an unpleasant way to pass time. But it is time consuming. The essence of effective research is time management. Life is short. How much of it do you really want to spend listening to one or two guys who may or may not be lying or wrong? Youll never learn the truth of anything from one guy, except the nature of his own opinions. If you want an opinion, have one of your own. But base it on facts, not somebody elses opinions. If a guy said something happened, find out if hes telling the truth. First check his sources. If he gave none, hes lying. If he gives only a single source, theyre lying. Conspiracy, by its very nature, is buried under a pile of lies. Conspiracy theory isnt built, its uncovered. Youre not trying to build rockets. Youre digging a ditch. Every shovel full of crap you fling over your shoulder, the closer to your goal you are. If theres a guy in front of you digging, the crap he flings lands in your face. Get out in front of him. Fling crap behind you. Then youll make progress, IMHO. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
http://www.enigma.eccosys.org/fire/chapter_28.htm
Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
by "One Who Knows"
PART 28
GERMAN FLYING SAUCERS
Hitler's advanced technology included intercontinental ballistic missiles,
vertical takeoff aircraft, jet engines, cruise missiles, sound cannons, and
many other advanced items. The Allies captured plans for what became the
Boeing 747 Jumbo jet. Among the most secret items captured were plans for
flying disks, that were at first called "Krautmeteors." Based on the
evidence, they were built as early as around 1933 and went into mass
production in 1940. Scientists involved in these projects were Bellonzo,
Schriever, Miethe and Victor Schauberger.
Schauberger developed the "flying hat" type disc that was later seen over the
United States. The final version was the Bellonzo-Schriever-Miethe Diskus, as
large as 135 feet and some up to 225 feet in diameter. They traveled over
2,000 km/hr and were planned to go over 4,000 km/hr. In 1945 they could reach
a speed of 1,300 mph and an altitude of 40,000 feet in less than three
minutes. The Germans developed the Delta wing craft, and were working on
stealth technology, etc.
Many pilots saw the strange craft over Germany. However, as soon as a craft
was built, Hitler ordered it disassembled and shipped somewhere - probably
Antarctica. None of the craft were captured by the Allies, although some of
the scientists were captured and then mostly disappeared, but can somewhat be
traced to Bell Textron and to places such as Area 51, which, surprise!, is
infamous for its UFO sightings.
Here are some examples of news items during WW II concerning Germany's UFOs,
from the *New York Times:*
*NEW YORK TIMES,* December 14, 1944:
"Floating Mystery Ball Is New German Weapon. SUPREME HEADQUARTERS, Allied
Expeditionary Force, Dec. 13 - A new German weapon has made its appearance on
the western air front, it was disclosed today.
"Airmen of the American Air Force report that they are encountering silver
colored spheres in the air over German territory. The spheres are encountered
either singly or in clusters. Sometimes they are semi-translucent."
and, "SUPREME HEADQUARTERS Dec. 13 (Reuters) - The Germans have produced a
"secret" weapon in keeping with the Christmas season.
"The new device, apparently an air defense weapon, resembles the huge glass
balls that adorn Christmas trees. There was no information available as to
what holds them up like stars in the sky, what is in them or what their
purpose is supposed to be."
FALKLAND ISLANDS WAR
The Falkland Islands War had more to do with Nazis than with Argentina, for
more details of what happened please refer to the *Phoenix Journals.*
The Germans, from their Antarctica base, began to infiltrate into Argentina,
Chile, etc., and bought large tracts of land and swept up corporations. They
also invested in corporations in Germany and elsewhere, with plans to make a
comeback. They used the German treasury, captured treasure from other
nations, and counterfeit American currency printed on real U.S. currency
printing plates given to the Russians and captured by the Germans.
Some plates were stolen by Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury Harry
Dexter White (real name Weiss) under Henry Morgenthau and sent to the Soviets
for use in occupied Germany. He also arranged for the mass theft of tons of
our special money-paper. When J. Edgar Hoover went to President Truman with
all the evidence that the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury was a Communist
spy and thief, Truman of course removed Weiss (White) from his job - and
promoted him to head of the International Monetary Fund. I kid you not, look
it up. The story has a rather common ending - when a controversy developed in
the press concerning this incident, Weiss became a "suicide."
GERMAN ECONOMIC "MIRACLE"
For more information on how the "economic miracle" was accomplished after the
war by the Germans, you can read such books as *Martin Bormann, Nazi in
Exile* by Paul Manning ("...Bormann became the guiding force in the 'economic
miracle' that led to the rebirth of German industry and finance in the
thirty-five years following political and military defeat. In the waning
months of World War II, as the Third Reich was tottering and finally
crumbling in defeat, Bormann set up 750 corporations scattered among those
nations that had remained neutral. Those corporations received the fleeing
wealth of Germany and became the power base that enabled Germany to climb
back to economic and political strength." From flyleaf). This book expands on
the meeting in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944, mentioned in Michael
Bar-Zohar's book *The Avengers.*
In 1986, while researching these subjects, we received 161 pages under a
Freedom of Information search concerning what happened to the German treasury
at the end of WW II. Many of these documents had been SECRET until
declassification to fulfill our request. One document was No. 19,489,
November
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- This is sci-fi. For the real story, see: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 3/24/01 7:27:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is sci-fi. For the real story, see: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html GodDAMN!! That's brilliant writing! Great piece "Nessie"!! Bill.
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-Caveat Lector- Great piece "Nessie"!! Thanks. I try. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Archie Bunker wrote: GodDAMN!! That's brilliant writing! Great piece "Nessie"!! Bill. When hasn't Nessie supplied us with a steady flow of GodDAMN, brilliant writing, and great pieces?! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
