Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
This Place is Morally Bankrupt Oh, Really, SO "LOCH NESSE" You, Defender of the Liberal Brain Trust, Appologist for World Wide Communism, The English Language Police, Say this Place is "Morally Bankrupt" ? You Forgot to Add, Ethically Bankrupt. For Which is based from all your Pontification of Pseudo Intellectual Flatulence examples of Self Absorbed Hatred for the U.S, our Founding Fathers Christian Culture, Of the Berkley Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out, "Free Love, Get High" Nihlistic Hipppie Flower Child Culture based on Pop Psychology, Paganistic - Propaganda Shill are an Example. With the "Lack Of Socially Accecptable Manners" for which is evident by your Religious, Ethnic, Intollerance, Bigotry, Assinine Politically Correct Responses you have given me, and others on this List; you qualify for the "Leona Helmsley / Alger Hess Award for Human Relational Endevor". Now I know where in Greek History we have the saying "A face that Launched a Thousand Ships". Maybe you remember the Record made some years ago by Carley Simon [All you Feminist Bela-The -Hat Absug Types] had a your song:" Your So Vain"? That Fits you to a Tee. It's too bad I kept the Oath I took to Protect and Defend the Constitution, and the Republic -[ Which you conviently forget ]- which you hide behind the First Amendment Rights; which I 'll Defend with the Second Amendment. The term "Lady or Female" is TOO good for you, it is an insult to the Real ones; Your a Whuss, Period. Your have the RIght to Remain Silent, Please Do So. Go Find the "Commuinist Manifesto Sympithizers List" and Be off with you !!! P.S. The "Seperation of Church and State" Liberal Propaganda - Is NOT found in the U.S. Constitution; However, it is Found in the Communist Manifesto" by Marx. Remember, Your Freedom and Liberty was Paid for By the Veterans who fought in Foreign Wars all Through the 20th Century, That Includes fighting for Keep the Socialist - Fasist's in WW 2: Like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Fasist Italy. From Invading the U.S. Mainland. Or Do your Revisionist History Books Forget to Mention the Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor without any Probvocation. We "Droped the Bomb on Japan to end the Paciific War! Then Again we fought against the "Socialist [Read Communist Dictator's] in the Korean and Viet Nam Conflicts. And FYI, My Family Were Freedom Fighters, NOT Communuist Sympthizers. Fifth Columnists, Foreign Agents, Provocuteors or Malcontent Aging Hippie Agitators eithor. As in my parents language: Viegas Nessee. I will Not Further Discuss the Issue with Traitors to the U.S. Constitution and our Culture. If you Can't Take the Heat, Get out of the Kitchen. Put up or Shut Up. Period. ! Mike U.A.I.C.-VT. * De Oppresso Liber * ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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The Commie stuff is over. Now it's time to get rid of the other Evil Empire. What in your view, precisely, is the other evil empire? Whether you understand it or not, or whether you like it or not, capitalismmust go. What is your basis for saying capitalism must go? Is this derived from economic theory? popular sentiment? what? If you don't like it you can move to Russia where they now enjoy the fruits of unrestrictedCapitalism such as no food, no work, no health care, no child care, a declinein life expectancy, higher mortality rates, and of course rampant corruption andcrime. Are you really maintainingthat in Russia they have unrestricted capitalism? The hallmarks of Capitalism. None of this existed under the last batch ofCommies You are maintaining that Russia used to have food, work health care, child care, etc. under communism, but now, with unrestricted capitalism, they do not? Your post reflectsserious thinking errors. It is one thing to bemoan the evils of capitalism but it isdishonest to attribute evils ofcommunist countries to capitalism, which you have done.
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, I was thinking about this after reading about the alleged abuse the little feller got from Pops Gonzalez ... and, of course, this was one out of how many instances where the Caribbeans set out for 'freedom' (another word for nothing left to lose?) How do we really know how Elian ended up floating out there in the innertube? We just have a 6 year old's perspective. It has been PRESUMED his mother put him and herself on the boat in a desire to reach the U.S. (whatever the mother's alleged motivation to leave Cuba) based on testimony of people who increasingly are revealed to be less than truthful and/or have their own agenda to push... For all we know, these people just decided to go on a 3-hour tour on the Minnow with The Skipper and Gilligan... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
Nessie says:
I was born here.
I'm an Anarchist.
Capitalism is evil.
If you don't like sharing a country with me, you leave.
People like you are the reason so much of the world despises us.
please go away.
Nessie also says:
If we want a world of peace and plenty we must build it ourselves, relying
not on leaders but on each other.
My question is:
How can an anarchist who hates capitalism tell a fellow native citizen to
leave and at the same time desireto build a world of peace and plenty,
relying on his or her fellow native citizens ("each other")?
Any questions?
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
How can an anarchist who hates capitalism tell a fellow native citizen to
leave
and at the same time desire to build a world of peace and plenty, relying
on his or
her fellow native citizens ("each other")?
How? Much more politely than the way he told me to leave, that's how. I
specifically requested that he "please change or please leave." That's a
lot more polite than he was to me. That's a lot more polite than I usually
am to fascists and their friends. "Each other" doesn't include fascists,
bolsheviks, capitalists, monarchists, theocrats or anybody else that wants
to exploit us rather than work with us to make a better world for all.
"Each other" means equals who treat each other as equals. If that doesn't
include you, then get off this planet; you're not welcome here. Die off,
quit wasting air. If it does include you, then do your share to drive the
exploiters out.
Oh yeah, and BTW, nationalism sucks too. Cuban nationalism sucks. American
nationalism sucks. Russian, Chinese and Lichtenstienian nationalism sucks.
They all suck. Countries are just big, glorified livestock paddocks and
we're the livestock. What would suck most of all is to turn the whole
world into a single nation state. One world government is not a concept
whose time has come. It's a concept that sucks. One world government sucks
for the same reason one country government sucks, only more so because
it's bigger. Government is bad for the planet. Government is bad for the
people. It's a parasite on the body politic. So is it's master, the
corporations. They suck on our neck. Away with them all.
Death to the nation state. Death to the corporations. The
corporate-government complex is the second greatest enemy our freedom ever
had. The greatest is our willing submission. Get off your knees and quit
licking their boots. Get up. Stand up. Think for yourselves.
Does that answer your question? I'm sorry if it sounded like I was
prostelizing, but you did ask, and that is the only honest answer.
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
And then they went tubing in the Caribbean just before the Minnow distappeared? Hey ... anything's possible ... my point is that many kids-in-exile are put at peril, for which same action an American might be criminally charged, not put up at the Wye (Emcee, eh?). AER For all we know, these people just decided to go on a 3-hour tour on the Minnow with The Skipper and Gilligan... Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nobody has been charged in any of this. Why? Why do Cuban-Americans have special rights? I think you know the answer to that. It's the same reason the Republicans are pushing for Congressional hearings into this, even though every single major poll shows the majority of the American public do NOT want them to waste the public's time and tax dollar on such hearings... When was the last time you saw congresscritters as a group ignore public opinion polls? This time it's because the Cuban-American community is an organized special- interest group, a PAC that wields too much power for its size. Hopefully their latest sheanigans have started to open the eyes of real Americans (citizens who prefer to wave the U.S. flag rather that the flag of their foreparents) to what this organized group is all about. Hopefully we're witnessing the beginning of the end of the inordinate power this group has exercised over American politics for the past 40+ years As for the what the mother, or someone, did to Elian out there at sea, two words come to mind: child endangerment. Exactly. She was interested more in following her meal-ticket boyfriend (and probably allowing raging hormones to rule instead of cool logic) than in any ivory-tower concepts of 'freedom'...and she chose to take Elian away from his father, who had joint custody, behind his back. If an American mother took her kid to Iraq and died on the way, what would America do to get the kid back? Yes, and there would be a fanatical group of Iraqis noisily clamoring that the child would be better off being raised by the Iraqui relatives than be sent back to 'the Great Satan' U.S.A June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 4/27/00 11:08:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, now for my comments... Oh let it rest. Here's a guy from Poughkeepsie, NY who lives in FL and was at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time and is getting his 15million minutes of fame. The "fame" is created by the media (or is it the Media?). I wish we could all stand back a minute and look at the frenzy the the media(Media) has fostered on us. 98% of everything that passes for news(News?) on TV/radio/etc is hype designed to get ratings so they can sell us products. They don't even care if they "sell" the product, they just want their names in front of people over and over (the Blimpie commercial is a parody of this). And we, being the lemmings that we are, will buy anything that's got a familiar name. Why else would companies pay millions to have just their name on little signs on the outfield fences at baseball games? We're being programmed to buy,buy,buy irrationally just to keep the economic juggernaut moving. We worship consumerism. People no longer go on vacation to relax...they go to buy. Even the Japanese come in on 747s to shop at the biggest mall of all in Minneapolis. Sorry, I digress. We've been had by the media, over and over. The cult of personality prevails. There's more gossip in the papers than news...or is it news too? Well the Elian affair is almost a Soap Opera. Who gives a rat's ass? Well, it could be the whole thing comes from universal suffrage! Women, as we've learned from sociology, are concerned about relationships, and that's what they discuss between themselves. (And try to discuss with their mates! :-) ) They also spend a lot of money. Ergo, the media delivers them to advertisers by giving them soap operas, real and imagined. Was it not logical that politicians, seeking the female vote, would entwine themselves in the "soap operas" of life to get exposure? That exposure leading to votes? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 4/27/00 11:17:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the what the mother, or someone, did to Elian out there at sea, two words come to mind: child endangerment. You are 110% correct! The mom put her child in harm's way and she did so recklessly...she's no "hero" she was a loon who did what her boyfriend told her to do with total disregard for the well-being of her son. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
Yeah, I was thinking about this after reading about the alleged abuse the little feller got from Pops Gonzalez ... and, of course, this was one out of how many instances where the Caribbeans set out for 'freedom' (another word for nothing left to lose?) ... when the politicians, the almost House Speaker Livingston for one, comparing this adventure to tossing a kid over the Berlin Wall just is not an accurate comparison ... well, maybe to Livingston but his memory fades in and out, depending on who he sides with or not ... ... 90 feet, 90 miles, terra firma, oceanaus liquiduii, Mott the Hoople ... maybe the Feds should think about prosecuting the people who put their under-18 kids at risk BASED on this little episode ... all civil and exile craft should be outfitted according to USCG standards or else!!! AER As for the what the mother, or someone, did to Elian out there at sea, two words come to mind: child endangerment. You are 110% correct! The mom put her child in harm's way and she did so recklessly...she's no "hero" she was a loon who did what her boyfriend told her to do with total disregard for the well-being of her son. Bill. Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
Now we slander the dead. Such serious discussion happens on this list lately regarding Elian and Christianity. You are such a jerk, and I say this from personal experience. Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil? Elian's mother saved him, and now the government wants to make it all for nothing. Do you care about anything or anyone but Bill? Would you die for anyone? If not, then in my book that makes you a worthless, waste of space on the planet. And Elian's mom did die for someone, so no matter what you have to say about her think of yourself as worth much less than that. Tara When truth needs a voice, silence lies. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight The mom put her child in harm's way and she did so recklessly...she's no "hero" she was a loon who did what her boyfriend told her to do with total disregard for the well-being of her son. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 4/28/00 6:24:30 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are such a jerk, and I say this from personal experience. Um, you're being kinda' mean to me! I haven't been mean to you at all! I like you...and though we disagree on certain things...I still do! So...really, you think I'm "a jerk"??? Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil? Elian's mother saved him, and now the government wants to make it all for nothing. Do you care about anything or anyone but Bill? Define "evil" TI don't think that by definition Cuba is "evil"...they have a system that is different from America or Canada...but our version of capitalism is "evil" to the exploited...of which there are many...The world, Tara, isn't black and white...but shades of grey... Would you die for anyone? Um, my son, my wife, my mom, dad, twin (and only) brother, sister, and probably for a whole host of people who are unknown to me but who, put in a situation where I could spare them with my life, I would! And that's a fact Tara! But I can say that I enjoy and respect your opinion and, though I disagree with you on many points, have never felt the need to attack you...I respect your POV! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil? Shall we count the ones gunned down at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and My Lai? How about the children who died in the bombing of MOVE? What about the half million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children, who have died because of the blockade? Shall we count Serbs? How many Serb children did your tax money murder last year? How about the children of the Branch Davidians, burned alive by jackbooted G-men in the heart of the "land of the free"? How about my little friends Hans and Nils, torn from their mother's arms because some bureaucrats don't like home schooling? America a good place for children!?! Gimme a break. I grew up here. I was a child in America. I know first hand. Being a kid here sucks. Being a kid with no money sucks worse. I'm not saying Cuba is paradise. I'm not saying that Cuba doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that it's no better here, just different. If you have money, America is a better place to live. If you're poor, Cuba is a better place to live. In Cuba, poor people don't have to sleep in the street. In Cuba, poor people don't have to die from curable diseases because they can't afford medicine. In Cuba they don't pass out ritilin like candy. In Cuba kids don't shoot up their schools. Before we go criticizing other people about how they choose run their own country we damn well ought to get our own house in order first. This place is morally bankrupt. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Sure, let's count the one's I understand in that list. Don't know what Move is. And I definitely don't agree that the government killed the children at Waco. I believe Koresh was responsible for that one. But I'm sure that being a kid in America with no money is a whole lost better than being a kid in Iraq or Cuba with no money. Or not related to Castro or Sadam) I wouldn't live in the States for any price, but Canada is no better in most cases and follows America's lead in almost everything. (Except that for now, at least, we have free health care) Tara All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nessie Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil? Shall we count the ones gunned down at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and My Lai? How about the children who died in the bombing of MOVE? What about the half million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children, who have died because of the blockade? Shall we count Serbs? How many Serb children did your tax money murder last year? How about the children of the Branch Davidians, burned alive by jackbooted G-men in the heart of the "land of the free"? How about my little friends Hans and Nils, torn from their mother's arms because some bureaucrats don't like home schooling? America a good place for children!?! Gimme a break. I grew up here. I was a child in America. I know first hand. Being a kid here sucks. Being a kid with no money sucks worse. I'm not saying Cuba is paradise. I'm not saying that Cuba doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that it's no better here, just different. If you have money, America is a better place to live. If you're poor, Cuba is a better place to live. In Cuba, poor people don't have to sleep in the street. In Cuba, poor people don't have to die from curable diseases because they can't afford medicine. In Cuba they don't pass out ritilin like candy. In Cuba kids don't shoot up their schools. Before we go criticizing other people about how they choose run their own country we damn well ought to get our own house in order first. This place is morally bankrupt. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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increíble e ingenuo: How about my little friends ...torn from their mother's arms because some bureaucrats don't like home schooling? Here ispainted a picture of kids ofschool age and older still being held by mommie. Nice. Sensational. A good beginning attention getter. America a good place for children!?! ... I know first hand. Being a kid here sucks I'm not saying that Cuba doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that it's no better here NO BETTER HERE? This is quite a baldlie and laughable. Perhaps yourdelusion that Cuba is on a par with the US stems frombitterness about something the US government did to you? Orperhaps a missed materialistic opportunity along the way of life in these United States? If you have money, America is a better place to live. If you're poor, Cubais a better place to live. In Cuba, poor people don't have to sleep in thestreet. Right,they have beaches and cane fields. They don't have Coleman camping gear though. In Cuba, poor people don't have to die from curable diseases because they can't afford medicine. Why heck, here is another laughable lie. Medical care as everything else in that country is not available on the same basis for poor and rich.One hasto be politically connected to get state of theart care and the system rots from thereon down. You think Cubans payinsurance premiums there and can appeal to their medical care provider denials of treatment deemed experimental? It'san incredibly naive and starry-eyed ideal you have ostrichhed yourself into. In Cuba they don't pass out ritilin like candy. Yeah, nor antibiotics, not even shoes. Before we go criticizing othe people about how they choose run their owncountry we damn well ought to get our own house in order first. Thisplace is morally bankrupt. Views like yoursempty the morals coffersquickly. Enlighten us as to howCubans "choose" to run their country under Castro. Do they vote, eg? Maybe they have town meetings? Are you aware that peopleare murdered and imprisoned for antiCastro sentiments or are youignoring this for the sake of your prothird world sentiment hobbyhorse? I suggest you take a trip to Cuba and verify the reality of your fanciful notions. Visit the people you say are not sleeping in the streets. Visit those who are not dying from curable diseases andhave no access tothe medicine and medical treatment they need. When your research is completed, you might thenenjoysampling Cuban cuisine, dining in Cuba's best restaurants and lounging in those cosmopolitannightclubs of theirs.Or you might desire to shop in their finest malls, perhaps drive to amovie in a newTaurus or maybe attend a lecture at the University of Havana campus. If you go now you can buy a mothers' day gift for your mom, perhaps flowers by egram would be nice (don't forget your laptop). The exchange rate would be awesome. Notions like yours derive from hopelessly naive and idealistic penchants.They're retrograde and feed aconspiracy to substitute lies for truth. El discurso libre es un derecho y un privilegio == - Original Message - From: nessie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil?Shall we count the ones gunned down at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and MyLai? How about the children who died in the bombing of MOVE? What aboutthe half million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children, who havedied because of the blockade? Shall we count Serbs? How many Serb childrendid your tax money murder last year? How about the children of the BranchDavidians, burned alive by jackbooted G-men in the heart of the "land ofthe free"? How about my little friends Hans and Nils, torn from theirmother's arms because some bureaucrats don't like home schooling?America a good place for children!?! Gimme a break. I grew up here. I wasa child in America. I know first hand. Being a kid here sucks. Being akid with no money sucks worse.I'm not saying Cuba is paradise. I'm not saying that Cuba doesn't haveproblems. I'm just saying that it's no better here, just different.If you have money, America is a better place to live. If you're poor, Cubais a better place to live. In Cuba, poor people don't have to sleep in thestreet. In Cuba, poor people don't have to die from curable diseasesbecause they can't afford medicine. In Cuba they don't pass out ritilinlike candy. In Cuba kids don't shoot up their schools.Before we go criticizing other people about how they choose run their owncountry we damn well ought to get our own house in order first. Thisplace is morally bankrupt.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Views like yours empty the morals coffer quickly Enlighten us as to how ;Cubans "choose" to run their country under Castro Do they vote, Maybe they have town meetings Yeah. Actually they do. But it amounts to about as much as voting does here; bupkis. Only direct democracy is real democracy. "Representative" democracy is a fraud and a sham. We don't elect our leader. We elect some of their henchmen, that's all. Our real leaders are the boards of directors of the corporations. Are you aware that people are murdered and imprisoned for antiCastro sentiments or are you;ignoring this for the sake of your prothird world sentiment hobbyhorse Yeah, I'm aware. But that's not because it's Cuba. All governments do that. America's government does that. Ask Leonard Peltier. Ask Geronimo Pratt. I myself was framed on a totally bogus charge just to silence my vocal opposition to the Viet Nam war. I got off easy because I'm white. I didn't do anything Bobby Hutton didn't do and they shot him down in the street. Now I have a question for you. When you say "third world," what do you mean? Do you mean the impoverished and exploited victims of neo-colonialism, or do you mean non-white? I suggest you take a trip to Cuba and verify the reality of your fanciful notions. Visit the people you say are not sleeping in the streets. Visit those who are not dying from curable diseases and have no access to the medicine and medical treatment they need. I've spoken with, and read accounts by, people who have visited Cuba. They are unanimous in their praise of the Cuban medical system. When your research is completed, you might then enjoy sampling Cuban cuisine, dining in Cuba's best restaurants and lounging in those cosmopolitan nightclubs of theirs. Or you might desire to shop in their finest malls, perhaps drive to a movie in a new Taurus or maybe attend a lecture at the University of Havana campus. ; If you go now you can buy a mothers' day gift for your mom, perhaps flowers by egram would be nice (don't forget your laptop). The exchange rate would be awesome. Well, you know, all that materialistic stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Materialism is what's wrong with America. We think more highly of things than we do of each other. Paper sleeps in a palace; people sleep in the street. It's sick and it's evil. Notions like yours derive from hopelessly naive and idealistic penchants. They're retrograde and feed a conspiracy to substitute lies for truth My "notions," as you call them, derive from a lifetime of study, from first hand accounts and from having an open mind. You, on the other hand, have swallowed the establishment's lies about Cuba whole. I strongly recommend you read Psywar On Cuba: The Declassified History of U.S. Anti-Castro Propaganda by Jon Elliston, ISBN1-876175-09-5. It'll open your eyes. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Nessie, thanks. I couldn't agree with you more. I notice you mention Hans and Nils. I met their very distressed mother, Pattie, at the Berkeley Earth Day celebration this last Saturday. I promised to keep in touch with her to find out how she's doing and what happens, and then promptly proceeded to lose whatever piece of paper I wrote that information on. Would you be so kind as to e-mail me if you have that information and feel okay about giving it me? Linda Mickelson nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Do you know how many children have been hurt escaping evil? Shall we count the ones gunned down at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and My Lai? How about the children who died in the bombing of MOVE? What about the half million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children, who have died because of the blockade? Shall we count Serbs? How many Serb children did your tax money murder last year? How about the children of the Branch Davidians, burned alive by jackbooted G-men in the heart of the "land of the free"? How about my little friends Hans and Nils, torn from their mother's arms because some bureaucrats don't like home schooling? America a good place for children!?! Gimme a break. I grew up here. I was a child in America. I know first hand. Being a kid here sucks. Being a kid with no money sucks worse. I'm not saying Cuba is paradise. I'm not saying that Cuba doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that it's no better here, just different. If you have money, America is a better place to live. If you're poor, Cuba is a better place to live. In Cuba, poor people don't have to sleep in the street. In Cuba, poor people don't have to die from curable diseases because they can't afford medicine. In Cuba they don't pass out ritilin like candy. In Cuba kids don't shoot up their schools. Before we go criticizing other people about how they choose run their own country we damn well ought to get our own house in order first. This place is morally bankrupt. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
I will comment on this article in another post June = Elian's rescuer enjoys the spotlight A fateful fishing trip upends Dalrymple's life By Michael Leahy WASHINGTON POST WASHINGTON, April 27 - Three nights after a federal agent found him trying to hide in a cramped closet with Elian Gonzalez in his arms, Donato Dalrymple sits in his Georgetown hotel room at midnight, ready to talk for hours, his body clock by now like a Vegas lounge singer's. Elian may be gone, but Donato Dalrymple, aka The Fisherman, is in demand. OLIVER NORTH rushed up to him a few hours ago to call him a hero. Some CNBC lovelies sought his attentions and autograph. And just five minutes ago, in a cab coming back from yet another television interview, he heard Howard Stern say his name on the radio. "Howard Stern! Howard Stern!" he is exulting. "It was just too cool," says The Fisherman. Elian may be gone, but Donato Dalrymple, aka The Fisherman, is in demand. "Did you know Elian liked to lick my face?" he asks, apropos of nothing. The thought hangs there while the phone in his room rings and rings. He ignores it. He wants to talk about Elian licking him, for no moment is more revealing about what Elian Gonzalez has meant to the life of Donato Dalrymple, or about how a child's tragedy can become a middle-aged man's deliverance. By then, five weeks after he helped pluck Elian out of the Atlantic on Thanksgiving Day, Dalrymple had found what he'd always wanted, and what had always eluded him. He'd walk through the Miami home of Elian's relatives and strangers would reach out to hug him, reverentially calling him The Fisherman, which, the more they said it, came to have a saintly quality. For many people contemptuous of both the relatives and federal officials, Dalrymple seemed the one pure, likable character in this custody tug-of-war. He'd stroll outside, and TV reporters would scream for interviews. Hordes of Cubans and gringos sought his autograph. Fisherman. Fisherman. Pescador. Pescador. The moniker made him sound like a character born of Hemingway, and he looked and sounded the part: broad-shouldered, barrel-chested, salt of the earth, with tattoos covering his arms and a passionate bark to his speech. But, in fact, he is no fisherman; he cleans houses for a living. Thanksgiving Day was the first time The Cleaner had ever gone fishing. He didn't even want to fish, he admits, but agreed to drive the boat for his cousin, content just to be out on the water, listening to oldies on the radio. He left it to his cousin to bait the hooks. "My cousin was getting on me," he grouses. "He always does. The phone rings and Dalrymple, 40, picks it up. Someone tells him he'll be on "Geraldo" the next day. "Sure, uh-huh. Great." He hangs up, stands and does a torso bend or two. An avid bodybuilder until the rescue of Elian turned his interests elsewhere, he bears an uncanny resemblance to a young Jack La Lanne, the fitness guru. His 5-foot-7 frame is dominated by his coiffed 'do, which stands straight up, electrified, like Lyle Lovett's. He has lost his train of thought, now asking whether his visitor wants to see how the Border Patrol agent aimed the gun at his head. "Well, actually it wasn't at my head," he says, grinning, shrugging. "It was right here." He points to a spot below his left shoulder. He remembers where he was going with this. "Let me tell you the moment when I knew my life had changed," he says, thinking back to an evening shortly after New Year's in the Gonzalez home in Little Havana. He had been lying alongside Elian on the little boy's bed, in the room Elian shared with his cousin Marisleysis, when the big truth struck him: There were few things worse, The Fisherman thought, than living 40 years on this planet and never feeling important. He had been eking out a living and a measure of contentment from mopping and vacuuming other people's houses, but contentment is what you settle for in a life unnoticed, when you walk the streets and feel invisible. No longer. He and the boy were on the bed watching "The Lion King," the Disney feature - beloved by Elian - about a brave young lion whose dad had perished. Elian enjoyed imitating the lions licking the cheeks of everybody they liked. Elian put his tongue on Dalrymple's cheek and laughed. Lick, lick, lick. Then he placed his head on Dalrymple's big chest. The two of them lay motionless for a while before Elian put his tiny index finger in the man's closed palm. "You know, I've never felt important in my life," Dalrymple says, his eyes dampening at the memory. "But I felt like the most important man in the world that night You know, life can be hard. But what the kid went through, and the lives he changed being with him, well, it's hard to explain. He makes people feel important and loved and powerful." Dalrymple walks over
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Now he admits he was trying to find an escape route Isn't that a felony? Isn't that several felonies? Why hasn't this guy been charged? Why haven't any of these people been charged? They're kidnappers. They held a hostage. Nobody has been charged in any of this. Why? Why do Cuban-Americans have special rights? As for the what the mother, or someone, did to Elian out there at sea, two words come to mind: child endangerment. If an American mother took her kid to Iraq and died on the way, what would America do to get the kid back? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
