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-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! GUN REFRESHER COURSE A-Z a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone c. Smith Wesson: The original point and click interface. d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. h. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. j. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved. k. What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand. l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. m. 64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians. o. Know guns, Know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety. p. You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive. q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer. r. Assault is a behavior, not a device. s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them. v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. w. Enforce the gun control laws in place, don't make more. x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control. z. a government by the people, for the people *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! Write to same address to be off lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:46:37 - "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- it hasn't been that succesful johannes because comprehensive checkpoints surrounding london are an impossible task. the police clai to use intelligence to know when to use such tactics. i am sure no-one has too much of a problem reaching buck house :) Rubbish. Do you think with the amounts that are spent on the Police and Secret Service they can't keep one city under surveillance? And sure, anyone can wander up to Buckingham palace but when was the last time someone did so armed with more than a pocket knife? This extensive surveillance was why so many people were surprised at the mortar attack on MI 6 HQ last year. Of course it's not infallible, but like I originally said London is under more physical and electronic surveillance than any other city in the world. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- no. not rubbish- you are over ove estimating the value of the cameras. and it is impossible to checkpoint a city in the way you implied. you are living in dreamland if you think there is ANY of terrorists being unable attack a target in loindon because of the cameras and/ or checkpoints. - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2001 00:18 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:46:37 - "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- it hasn't been that succesful johannes because comprehensive checkpoints surrounding london are an impossible task. the police clai to use intelligence to know when to use such tactics. i am sure no-one has too much of a problem reaching buck house :) Rubbish. Do you think with the amounts that are spent on the Police and Secret Service they can't keep one city under surveillance? And sure, anyone can wander up to Buckingham palace but when was the last time someone did so armed with more than a pocket knife? This extensive surveillance was why so many people were surprised at the mortar attack on MI 6 HQ last year. Of course it's not infallible, but like I originally said London is under more physical and electronic surveillance than any other city in the world. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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I used Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition. I AM sure of my facts. Why would you cite a VERB as a reply to a list of observations regarding guns, and those who feel more comfortable being disarmed?? You might just as well have replied "run", or "jump." A more appropriate reply might have been a noun, such as "ballocks", meaning "balls." I didn't think it was spelled, I knew. You surely did choose a classy reply - I guess it goes along with the disarmament frame of mind. However, we digress. It's STILL disrespectful, no respect at all. Again, if you feel better about life being disarmed and at the mercy of whomever decides to invade your home, be it some authority or criminal, try defending your family with indisputable logic. "c." wrote: not according to http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bollocks bollocks v : make a mess of, destroy or ruin [syn: botch, fumble, botch up, muff, blow, flub, screw up, ball up, blunder, spoil, muck up, bungle, fluff, bollix, bollix up, bollocks up, bobble, mishandle, louse up, foul up, mess up, fuck up] be sure of your facts.how did you think it was spelled anyway?
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Go ahead and laugh, your logic may be sound as a pound, which isn't worth much, nevertheless your logic is lunacy. Nobody here is emoting, you can wallow in your smug disarmanent attitude, and get round-shouldered from patting yourself on the back because you have no protection from some moron who wants to stick a knife in you or beat you to death, but you seem to be a perfect citizen of a government which has convinced you that socialism is great, and to be defenseless is desirable. You seem delighted that "the cost and availablity of guns in the UK is prohibitive." That is your problem which your citizens have allowed to befall yourselves. It seems that the idea of being free and armed is hateful to you, so I can conclude that the next time some moronic madman starts raining bombs on your cities, you will not be calling upon us for assistance. Good luck.
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-Caveat Lector- The city of London is under the most intensive electronic surveillance of any civilian city in the world. There are cameras, satellites, listening devices, infra-red, you name it. It sall to prevent (ostensibly) IRA attacks, and has been remarkably succesful. I've also read accounts that a great many cars entering London are searched by checkpoints, not to mention boats and planes. On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:20:39 -0800 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Carl Amedio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. There is a show on PBS called "Mystery", which shows primarily British imports. About a year ago on one of these imports, "Prime Suspect", a case of child rape/murder was solved due to these cameras. A big deal was made about how the suspect would never have been caught if it weren't for the fact that the suspect's car was caught on one of these cameras, showing the suspect was at the location of the crime at the time the crime was committed, when the suspect seemingly had an alibi for being elsewhere. I thought at the time that it was very interesting that this British show presented these cameras so matter-of-factly, and indeed I got the impression the whole plot twist of the cameras being used to solve a horrific crime was orchestrated to help "sell" the idea of these cameras... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- it hasn't been that succesful johannes because comprehensive checkpoints surrounding london are an impossible task. the police clai to use intelligence to know when to use such tactics. i am sure no-one has too much of a problem reaching buck house :) june, was it "prime suspect" by lynda la plant? sounds like the correct plot outline. i would not read too much into any subtext to her "work". she has a habit of exploiting any contemporary fear that is in the news- the cameras in that story- and in "killer net" LOL she created a drama about net chatting and roleplaying leading to actual murder etc in very much the same way as she used the cameras in "prime suspect". she is well known for claimiung to research her subjects- but really not doing very much at all- as was evident in her potrayal of the internet and roleplaying games. i think in america in the recent past there have been several urban myths propogated about DD leading to cultish deaths and kids being drawn into a web of evil etc etc. so- yeah- i agree that there was a subtext regarding the use of cameras- but anyone aquainted with the actual issues and detail of the subject matter will see right through it. generally i am, like most people, uneasy at the cameras- most cities are putting them in place in town centres- but i am no different from anyone else- they do make city centres safer at night- but they are quite exploitable. obviously. important to note that they are not in any way omnipresent. - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2001 14:24 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE -Caveat Lector- The city of London is under the most intensive electronic surveillance of any civilian city in the world. There are cameras, satellites, listening devices, infra-red, you name it. It sall to prevent (ostensibly) IRA attacks, and has been remarkably succesful. I've also read accounts that a great many cars entering London are searched by checkpoints, not to mention boats and planes. On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:20:39 -0800 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Carl Amedio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. There is a show on PBS called "Mystery", which shows primarily British imports. About a year ago on one of these imports, "Prime Suspect", a case of child rape/murder was solved due to these cameras. A big deal was made about how the suspect would never have been caught if it weren't for the fact that the suspect's car was caught on one of these cameras, showing the suspect was at the location of the crime at the time the crime was committed, when the suspect seemingly had an alibi for being elsewhere. I thought at the time that it was very interesting that this British show presented these cameras so matter-of-factly, and indeed I got the impression the whole plot twist of the cameras being used to solve a horrific crime was orchestrated to help "sell" the idea of these cameras... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-t
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- Original Message - From: BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2001 08:45 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE I used Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition. I AM sure of my facts. Why would you cite a VERB as a reply to a list of observations regarding guns, and those who feel more comfortable being disarmed?? You might just as well have replied "run", or "jump." A more appropriate reply might have been a noun, such as "ballocks", meaning "balls." I didn't think it was spelled, I knew. ace... would that be an american english dictionary or an english dictionary? FYI bollocks was used in the right way- you got the insult didn't you? enough to try and correct me... twice even! so... i used enough correct language to make my point- and you got the point i was making- and it angered you enough to retort with nothing of substance- only an anally retentive spelling error. :) You surely did choose a classy reply - I guess it goes along with the disarmament frame of mind. However, we digress. It's STILL disrespectful, no respect at all. Again, if you feel better about life being disarmed and at the mercy of whomever decides to invade your home, be it some authority or criminal, as i said in another post on this subject- about being attacked in my home burglars (burgalizing? LOLOL) coming into my home are not a problem- there is an infentissimal chance of them being armed with a gun. i repeat- muggers and other small time criminals do not have access to handguns and so do not use them. if i am attacked in scotland in that way then i will defend myself if i can with whatever is at hand- the climbing axe springs to mind- because i am not in danger AT ALL of being shot (except in very exceptional circumstances- accidently being caught up in a bank raid - or if i am in england- a terrorist attack) really- i know it is hard for americans to believe it- but ALL i have to defend myself against is knives, coshes etc, aids filled syringes (very popular last year after one guy got some success with that technique) and, well, i am not sure what else. but it is unknown for burglars to rob a house with a firearm. really! secondly- defending myself against authority. listen, dude- cause this is a repeat too, your firearm defends you SYMBOLICALLY against authority. i hear this subject/ citizen argument and i wonder why people are kidding themselves with this fascile rhetoric. the government, UN, or any big organisation has the resources to ALWAYS have more firepower than you. you cannot defend your house against them. your firearm will never save you against them. even if all the legal gunowners in america managed to co-operate to take on the national army- they would flatten you if they chose. you know this, don't you? i stand by my initial point- that the more guns in circulation- the more deaths in circulation. nessie mentioned that guns can stop deaths by guns- but if there weren't so many goddamned guns- then there would be far less life threatening situations to stop with a gun. is that not logical? if a gun does not exist- then it cannot kill. if there were no guns for the bad guys to break into your house with- then they would tool up with blades- and i fancy my chances against a blade more than i do against a gun, don't you? try defending your family with indisputable logic. "c." wrote: not according to http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bollocks bollocks v : make a mess of, destroy or ruin [syn: botch, fumble, botch up, muff, blow, flub, screw up, ball up, blunder, spoil, muck up, bungle, fluff, bollix, bollix up, bollocks up, bobble, mishandle, louse up, foul up, mess up, fuck up] be sure of your facts.how did you think it was spelled anyway?
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- Original Message - From: BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2001 08:56 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE Go ahead and laugh, your logic may be sound as a pound, which isn't worth much, nevertheless your logic is lunacy. first: the saying "sound as a pound" refers to the weight- not the currency! (i think :)) and if it does refer to the currency then... second- the british pound has always been worth more than the american (and any other) dollar. at the momnet i think it is abut 1.6 dollars to 1 british pound. ergo- if the pound is not worth much- then the dollar is worth less. Nobody here is emoting, you can wallow in your smug disarmanent attitude, and get round-shouldered from patting yourself on the back because you have no protection from some moron who wants to stick a knife in you or beat you to death you are (deliberately?) missing my point- i only need to defend myself against knives or beatings because that is all the small criminals use in the UK- i was not saying i don't defend myself- i am saying that i can and do- and i am equally prepared to defend against these weapons. but in america- one trigger pull and someone is dead- too easily- it makes life too cheap. again i say- i prefer to have to worry about knives and beatings- than worry about a mugger/ burglar having a gun.. , but you seem to be a perfect citizen of a government which has convinced you that socialism is great LOL socialist? our government? our conservative party is right wing and our labour party is right wing- but pretends it is of the middle ground! saying the S word around them would get you a good beating probably LOL where did ya get the idea that socialism EVER existed anywhere in the world successfully? it never has and it never will. now, fascism- that is q different story- just ask russia, china, cuba, america, britain, whoever. , and to be defenseless is desirable. see above.. *yawn* You seem delighted that "the cost and availablity of guns in the UK is prohibitive." yes i am delighted- i am not enamoured by the limited possibilities of gun use or their availability- the chances of death when settling a dispute with firearms is too great to be workable. how many news stories do you see from america about arguments (on the highway, in a shop, wherever) in the most mundane situations being settled with guns? this doesn't happen in the UK. you know how people get angry and lash out- with very dire results, happens all the time in various circumstances. now- i am dsaying that i would prefer a sociey where the choice to pick up a gun in a temper does not exist. i prefer a society where youngs kids cannot get access to guns. That is your problem which your citizens have allowed to befall yourselves. it isn't a problem - it is a blessing. we lost the right to bare arms some centuries ago and it is true that the motivation for this was nervousness on the part of the government about the public being armed. but it has turned out ok really. like i said many times- if the government decide to oppress me (even more than they are doing now) and i need a gun to defend myself...well.. i may as well have a water pistol the good a real gun would do me against such an organisation. It seems that the idea of being free and armed is hateful to you, so I can no not hateful- i said to nessie and the list yesterday that i sympathise entirely with the terrible situation america is in and i see the need for lawful people to arm themselves. i am free and unarmed- an anathema to you it seems. conclude that the next time some moronic madman starts raining bombs on your cities, you will not be calling upon us for assistance. LOL oh and if a moronic madman starts bombing YOUR cities- what good will your collection of guns do you? you think you will win against a bomber one on one? ;) i thin it is america that may be worrying about the erosion of the "special relationship" between america and the UK, not the other way around. it is YOU who needs US if you are to make your shield work. incidentally- that is some deal the americans offer the UK- they need the bases in england to make the shield work- but the shield will not protect the UK and the UK will be a direct target for any of america's enemies LOL cool, uh? a very "special" relationship Good luck. well- you need the luck, dude, considering where you live...
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1. Doesn't seem like any respect at all. 2. You misspelled "bollocks" (sic) "c." wrote: -Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks.
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Next time an armed intruder breaks into your home, try defending your family with indisputable logic. "c." wrote: -Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks. if you need any supporting evidence then contrast and compare per capita gun deaths (deliberate or accidental (the accident stat would be shocking on it's own)) in the USA with the UK more guns= more death. indisputable logic.
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-Caveat Lector- more guns = more deaths This is not only faulty logic, but it flies in the face of the empirical data. More guns, at most, equal more death by gunfire. More guns do not equal more deaths period. Whered you learn math, anyway? Go back there and complain. Your math teacher was grossly misfeasant. Your equation is incomplete. You failed to factor in the deaths prevented by guns. Every year, at the barest minimum, Americans use guns to prevent crimes two million times. And thats just the ones that were reported. It is not at all unsafe to assume that the majority go unreported. The majority of all human activities go unreported. I, myself, have used a gun to prevent a crime. I sure didnt report it. Guns prevent crimes. Often that crime is murder. Then theres rape and robbery, but lets keep this simple and factor only for deaths. To accurately determine the death to gun ratio you have to subtract form the total number of deaths the murders that were prevented by guns in the hands of the intended victims of murders that didnt happen. Calculating the gun to death ratio is not the most revealing study, anyway. What you really want to be calculating is the ratio between the number of times a gun is used to prevent a death and the number times a gun is used to cause a death. Keep in mind that a certain number will cancel each other out because one way to prevent a death is to cause one. In the vast majority of cases where a gun is used to prevent a crime, however, it is not fired. It is, at most brandished. In my case, I didnt even brandish it. I just let them know it was there. I popped the lid of the car trunk and, while standing behind it, looked the nearest one in eye and said. Do you WANT trouble? He didnt, and neither did his friends. They backed off at once, and I dont blame them one bit. It was the smartest move they could have possibly made. I am one hundred percent convinced that having what I had in the trunk that day prevented at least three, and maybe five murders. And I didnt even have to show it off. For all they knew for certain, all I had in there was a stack of cream pies. But if I hadnt had what I did have in there, I wouldnt have been able to pull it off. My fear would have shown and theyd have been on us in a hot second. Never bluff. NEVER, not even once. Especially dont try to bluff a bunch of guys with lumpy pockets when one of them is coming straight at you across a parking lot with his hand in his pocket and race slurs coming out of his mouth aimed at the guy next to you. Dont bluff guys like this. Its way too risky. If shooting back is not at least one of your options, run. Run as fast as you can and hope they dont shoot you the back. If they shoot you anyway, as youre lying there dying, youre going to have some last thoughts. One of them, I guarantee, will be, I should have listened to nessie about this. Is that REALLY what you want to have for a last thought? Think about it. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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not according tohttp://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bollocksbollocks v : make a mess of, destroy or ruin [syn: botch, fumble, botch up,muff, blow, flub, screw up, ball up, blunder, spoil, muck up, bungle, fluff,bollix, bollix up, bollocks up, bobble, mishandle, louse up, foul up, mess up,fuck up]be sure of your facts. how did you think it was spelled anyway? - Original Message - From: BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 08:40 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE 1. Doesn't seem like any respect at all. 2. You misspelled "bollocks" (sic) "c." wrote: -Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks.
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LOL my logic is sound as a pound, darling, you can emote all you like about armedhousebreakers but the fact remains that whether it is the assaulter or theassaulted- the use of guns leads to more deaths than not using guns. like isaid- indisputable logic.the cost and availablity of guns in the UK is prohibitive.the scenario you describe does not really happen in the UK because there aren'tmany guns in circulation.we prefer blades, home made mostly because the damned government infringed ourright to bare shivs, butterfly knives, deathstars, etc without good reason."i am an artist officer- the machete is for sharpening my pencil" that sort ofthing, y'know?the amount of armed housebreakers is linked directly to the amount of gunsavailable in the country. here in the UK it is expensive and difficult to buyguns- from UKP200+ for the most basic (illegal that is- there are no legalhandguns- except for very few sporting and strictly policed pistols) handgun -petty burglars just do not either have the cash- or ready access to them. - Original Message - From: BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 08:43 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE Next time an armed intruder breaks into your home, try defending your family with indisputable logic. "c." wrote: -Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks. if you need any supporting evidence then contrast and compare per capita gun deaths (deliberate or accidental (the accident stat would be shocking on it's own)) in the USA with the UK more guns= more death. indisputable logic.
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-Caveat Lector- nessie, in the UK i only realistically have to worry about getting stabbed or beaten at worst when i am out and about. in the US the reality is that you have to defend yourself with a gun because the assailants are armed, i understand and sympathise completely with that- and would not want to take your gun off ya (prying it from your cold, dead etcetera) but it is a bad situation that can only escalate. it is all you know and it is so sad that the stakes are that high in your country. it is normal to you- but strange to a western european. i think it may be immoral of your government to limit your options when the police, army, organised criminals and every other criminal is carrying on with the arms race. but it isn't normal to have such an overarmed population unless there is a national war on. - Original Message - From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 17:51 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE -Caveat Lector- more guns = more deaths This is not only faulty logic, but it flies in the face of the empirical data. More guns, at most, equal more death by gunfire. More guns do not equal more deaths period. Whered you learn math, anyway? Go back there and complain. Your math teacher was grossly misfeasant. Your equation is incomplete. You failed to factor in the deaths prevented by guns. Every year, at the barest minimum, Americans use guns to prevent crimes two million times. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 1/30/01 1:37:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nessie, in the UK i only realistically have to worry about getting stabbed or beaten at worst when i am out and about No guns. Cameras every 10 feet on the street. cameras that can see into homes from the street. A national DNA typing program in the works. Wasn't George Orwell from the UK? An unarmed population is a population of serfs. Carl
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cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here and orwell is generally believed to be "ofhis time" and any relevance to the UK people (in particular) lending themselves to being wooly and subjegated is attendent only to the fact that we love to identify and document our oppressors- celebrate them, even- we have a constitutional monarchy remember ;) and see into homes? whoopee... people in cars, pedestrians can see into my home- and if i want to hide- then i have a net curtain ;) the subject/ citizen argument you offer is good for philisophical theory- but is immaterial practically. your guns are mere comforters against your percieved threat from the government, because, dude, the government are always going to have an H-bomb bigger than yours- you cannot protect yourself from them. you may have a chance against criminals (if they are cheap criminals) but dream on boy about defending yourself from anyone with decent resources. - Original Message - From: Carl Amedio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 19:49 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE In a message dated 1/30/01 1:37:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nessie, in the UK i only realistically have to worry about getting stabbed or beaten at worst when i am out and aboutNo guns. Cameras every 10 feet on the street. cameras that can see into homes from the street. A national DNA typing program in the works. Wasn't George Orwell from the UK? An unarmed population is a population of serfs. Carl
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In a message dated 1/30/01 2:08:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. Carl
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-Caveat Lector- From: "Carl Amedio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. There is a show on PBS called "Mystery", which shows primarily British imports. About a year ago on one of these imports, "Prime Suspect", a case of child rape/murder was solved due to these cameras. A big deal was made about how the suspect would never have been caught if it weren't for the fact that the suspect's car was caught on one of these cameras, showing the suspect was at the location of the crime at the time the crime was committed, when the suspect seemingly had an alibi for being elsewhere. I thought at the time that it was very interesting that this British show presented these cameras so matter-of-factly, and indeed I got the impression the whole plot twist of the cameras being used to solve a horrific crime was orchestrated to help "sell" the idea of these cameras... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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you *believed* it? cool- they love 'overseas' audiences, they are so much more believing. and marketable cause you all think (wrongly) they have and ever had integrity. one thing in our favour is that we (in scotland) forced one of our main banks to not deal with pat robertson. he doesn't really agree with you about us being oppressed and weak- he reckons we are a dark country- full of gay homosexuals and drugs and stuff and we need a tougher authority to sort us out etc. you might be taken up the backalley if you go up a back alley in scotland- but it ain't gonna kill ya ;) - Original Message - From: Carl Amedio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 20:13 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE In a message dated 1/30/01 2:08:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. Carl
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-Caveat Lector- Subject: GUN REFRESHER COURSEthanks,,,Bonnie Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:14:57 -0700 All you women out there please replace man with woman. I do want to be Politically incorrect. My number 1 rule is: Shoot straight and empty the weapon. From: Eugene A. Tripp, "Keep Your Powder Dry-News" 24/7 Voice-mail Fax: 970 226 1732, TO BE ADDED To; OR REMOVED Mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GUN REFRESHER COURSE a.. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. b.. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. c.. Smith Wesson: The original point and click interface. d.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. e.. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? f.. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. g.. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. h.. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. i.. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. j.. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved. k.. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? l.. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. n.. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians. o.. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety. p.. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to live. q.. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer. r.. Assault is a behavior, not a device. s.. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. t.. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. u.. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them. v.. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. w.. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more. x.. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control. z. "...a government by the people, for the people..." PLEASE PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' TO 10 OTHER FREE CITIZENS A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 1/30/01 12:51:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My number 1 rule is: Shoot straight and empty the weapon. GUN CONTROL IS PUTTING THE FIRST CLIP IN THE TEN RING. CARL
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-Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks. if you need any supporting evidence then contrast and compare per capita gun deaths (deliberate or accidental (the accident stat would be shocking on it's own)) in the USA with the UK more guns= more death. indisputable logic. - Original Message - From: "BB" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 06:51 Subject: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- the french didn't need guns to revolt- they had the WILL to revolt. the british didn't revolt because they have NO WILL. guns do not equal strength of will - Original Message - From: "BB" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 06:51 Subject: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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it doesn't equate to sexual potency either carl - Original Message - From: Carl Amedio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 06:59 Subject: Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE In a message dated 1/30/01 12:51:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My number 1 rule is: Shoot straight and empty the weapon. GUN CONTROL IS PUTTING THE FIRST CLIP IN THE TEN RING. CARL
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-Caveat Lector- Gun Refresher Course 1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. 2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. 3. Colt : The original point and click interface. 4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. 5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? 6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. 7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. 8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. 9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. 10. The United States Constitution © 1789. All Rights Reserved. 11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? 12. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. 13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. 14. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians. 15. Know guns, know peace. No guns, no peace. 16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive. 17. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer. 18. Assault is a behavior, not a device. 19. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. 20. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. 21. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them. 22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. 23. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more. 24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. 25. The American Revolution would never have happened if the colonists had submitted to Gun Control Laws. 26. (My [BB's] contribution) At least Mothers Against Drunk Drivers are smart enough NOT to have gone after cars as the problem! Please forward this to Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
