[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-19 Thread Amelia

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 less

 pronounced...or so I've heard...


 People tell me that  depends on how much you drink.

In Bolivia, one may order tea made with cocoa leaves.It is called a cocoa
mottie (I am spelling that phonetically as I do not know the real word in
Spanish). They will bring you a whole little tea pot of this hot beverage.
It is supposed to help with altitude sickness which I always got there as
LaPaz is above 14,000 ft.  I drank two whole pots of it one time and my lips
became numb, temporarily.  I also saw cocoa leaves for sale by the hefty bag
in the open air Indian markets. I believe it takes about a ton or so to make
one kilo of cocaine so there is litle danger that someone would purchase
that  quantity by the hefty bag. Makes me wonder why our govt is so uptight
about all this.  There is less abuse there where it is legal in reasonable
amounts than  here. I think only liquor companies make campaign
contributions.  Make contributions to the right campaigns and anything can
become legal.  And also we need sin taxes and to keep our prison system
fluorishing.
Amelia


Amelia

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-19 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

On 19 Aug 2000, at 1:30, Amelia wrote:
 In Bolivia, one may order tea made with cocoa leaves.It is called a cocoa
 mottie

coca mate

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-19 Thread Robert F. Tatman

Excuse me, Amelia, but that should be "coca", not "cocoa"... Not that this is
the first time the two have been confused, however.  When the Spanish arrived in
South America, I've heard, they discovered the natives chewing funny-tasting
leaves and drinking a strange, dark hot beverage. After a while of chewing the
leaves and imbibing the hot drink, los Indios became decidedly intoxicated; and
accordingly the Spanish, wishing only to protect the common good, banned the
consumption of cocoa.

It should be noted that the unprocessed leaves of the coca plant are nowhere
near as potent in their effect that the refined extract called cocaine.

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 In Bolivia, one may order tea made with cocoa leaves.
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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this--mate de coca, brownies

2000-08-19 Thread P Rehn

my husband says it's spelled mate de coca
(accent over the e which laptop does not make)
you can also buy regular tea bags of  coca in Peru that
apparently can be imported to the US.  it looks like green tea and kinda
tastes like green tea too.  didnt get much of buzz but
i didnt brew it very strong or drink much (no altitude sickness
at my house)
in Argentina there is regular mate which is Celestial
Seasonings Morning Thunder tea

pot tea tastes pretty awful so it hard to drink enough to
get high, but tends to give headaches, like smoking seeds.
pot brownies were always the traditional high school
teacher prank but one must saute the pot in butter and
use that so the plant material is not obvious. It worked
best on those who tended to wolf things down as
there was still a green taste.

another child of the 60's

At 01:30 AM 08/19/2000 -0500, you wrote:

In Bolivia, one may order tea made with cocoa leaves.It is called a cocoa
mottie (I am spelling that phonetically as I do not know the real word in
Spanish). They will bring you a whole little tea pot of this hot beverage.
It is supposed to help with altitude sickness which I always got there as
LaPaz is above 14,000 ft.  I drank two whole pots of it one time and my lips
became numb, temporarily.  I also saw cocoa leaves for sale by the hefty bag
in the open air Indian markets. I believe it takes about a ton or so to make
one kilo of cocaine so there is litle danger that someone would purchase
that  quantity by the hefty bag. Makes me wonder why our govt is so uptight
about all this.  There is less abuse there where it is legal in reasonable
amounts than  here. I think only liquor companies make campaign
contributions.  Make contributions to the right campaigns and anything can
become legal.  And also we need sin taxes and to keep our prison system
fluorishing.
Amelia


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-19 Thread nessie

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It should be noted that the unprocessed leaves of the coca plant are
nowhere
near as potent in their effect that the refined extract called cocaine.

People have been chewing coca leaves since the ice age. It has never been
shown to have done any of them any harm. Au contraire, it seem to be good
for them.

But the extract, especially when smoked, lowers the IQ dramatically. It's
not as harmful as alcohol, but I don't recommend it, either.

On the other hand, if it were cheap and legal, like alcohol, crime and
corruption would plummet, scores of billions of dollars would be saved,
hundreds of thousands of lives would no longer be ruined by prison, and
this sick, sick society could finally begin to heal.

If your curiousity is overwhelming you, and you simply must find out what
cocaine feels like, try this: drink a double cappacino, hold an ice cube
to your nose for five minutes, and burn a hundred dollar bill. It's close
enough.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Gremlin

Cool.
Yes, all that propaganda.
Pot makes you mellow and willimg to take a second look.
Why do you think they push alcohol so much..
It makes you violent and stupid.
war and violence, that what moakes up most of our "North Americam" culture.
Read"The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer, It is about Hemp  The
Marijuana Conspiracy.
Another excellent book is Green Gold The Tree of Life:Marijuana in Magic 
Religion by Chris Bennett, Lynn Osbourne  Judy Osbourne.
 I personally have read green Gold 5 times cover to cover and am reading it
for the 6th time. Every time I read it I learn more ...
gremlin
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this


On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:25 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which said:

 Thank you Gremlinguess you have seen a few spooks in your day?

 I would like just once to smoke a marijuana cigarette, but I do not
 smoke.out of curiosity.

I was terrified when the idea hit me that I might like to try it.  I
spent 2 months researching before I actually made the decision to try
it.  I read what DARE had to say about it, then looked at my friends who
were smoking and none of them were exhibiting any of the effects that
DARE said was caused by pot smoking.  Plus, I looked at the history of
prohibition.  It seems that the reasons not to smoke have changed
through the years.  To me, that just meant they were making stuff up to
get what they wanted, so I decided to try it, bracing myself for the
onslaught of psychotic thoughts and raging horniness that would make me
want to rape and kill anything in sight.  First time, not much happened.
I just felt kind of queasy, like I was having airtime on a
rollercoaster.  But by the third time, I realized that I wasn't going to
become a psycho.  In fact, just the opposite happened.  I learned how to
relax, where before I was just GO GO GO GO!  I needed a dose of
"amotivational syndrome".  I still went, but I took the time to decide
whether I wanted to "go" or not and if I didn't, I just stayed home and
relaxed.

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Gremlin

Medicinal marijuana..there was a recen decision in the Ontario Court of
Appeal, R. vs Parker.
Mr. Parker is a severe epileptic and uses marijuana to help control his
seizures.
The honorable justices found that, yes marijuana is very effective to help
control seizures and that the current laws are unconstitutional.
I have a copy of the decision, if anyone would like to read it.
For information about the ritual/sacramental uses and the current court case
relating to the subject goto www.iamm.com ,
 I smoke marijuana to help control my chronic fatigue.
I also smoke it as a sacramental to help keep my head clear and not rush out
and do something that I might regret later.


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From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this


You made me really wonder here, involuntary - about use of medical
marijuana and what it really does.   Feds say no medicinal value?  Maybe
that is true; but, nicotine is a drug used in medicines, but forget what
for.

What you said made me wonder..some people go through chemotherapy
and feel pretty good; others become very, very ill and are given
medication now with the therapy.

What if marijuana just relaxes people - for it is said stress can really
cause cancer victims unheard of problems.

Know two women who went to chemothrapy dailyeach continued to work
daily - while others had really adverse reactions.

What if marijuana relaxes a person, relieves the stress, creates a sense
of well being, and at no cost if you can grow it free..but one there
was a patent pending on first marijuana cigarette - was aware of this in
1972 but never checked it out, for had no reason.

So.Zoloft - a drug to improve serotonin to do with neuro
transmitterssupposedly eat a banana or potatoes have same effect.

I really wonder about this because going through some of the treatments
for cancer - this is a traumatic experience and stressful.

What if marijuana just releases the stress which reduces some of the
side effects?

The man who died recently who could not smoke marijuana - how horrible -
his life was made a living hell, and something that could have given him
an easier path to follow was denied.

So guess marijuana is illegal because like butterflies, it can be free
in your own back yard.

Am still stashing up on the catnip and maybe I make a catnip cigarette
and  find some marijuana and give it a try.

After all, the police some of whom I accidently caught years ago,
smuggled cigarettes up from Kentucky and had no tax stamps - and booze
which was poured into real labeled bottles.when I saw that one
checking this famous basement for all was not well at our
banquet.there they were...funnels and all.

Upstairs was the Treasurer of Ohio and the candidates to many different
officedid I snitch - with all those cops in on the game?

No way..

Saba

Some things one does not do = matter of family pride.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Jenny Decker
 at the time and reading D.C. papers--the
papers widely announced that the public had been "silent" on this issue.
When I was young during the sixties, therefore, my father was understandably
less than impressed by the lurid drug scares so widely disseminated through
the media; in fact, it was the B.S. published about marijuana by the
mainstream 60s press that prompted him to relate this history to me.
It's all politics, today and yesterday. Marijuana competes with
prescription drugs. It's illegality allows dissident voices to be arrested
on flimsy pretexts. It also allows the legal pirates in the government drug
war to enrich themselves by confiscating the property of all those involved
in its cultivation or sale. (What would the government Mafia do, poor
things, without the War on Drugs to make an honest living for themselves?)
I'm going to shut up now. Just do read this book, because it will put the
historical facts and sources in your hands. Knowledge is power.

Jenny Decker
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this


 You made me really wonder here, involuntary - about use of medical
 marijuana and what it really does.   Feds say no medicinal value?  Maybe
 that is true; but, nicotine is a drug used in medicines, but forget what
 for.

 What you said made me wonder..some people go through chemotherapy
 and feel pretty good; others become very, very ill and are given
 medication now with the therapy.

 What if marijuana just relaxes people - for it is said stress can really
 cause cancer victims unheard of problems.

 Know two women who went to chemothrapy dailyeach continued to work
 daily - while others had really adverse reactions.

 What if marijuana relaxes a person, relieves the stress, creates a sense
 of well being, and at no cost if you can grow it free..but one there
 was a patent pending on first marijuana cigarette - was aware of this in
 1972 but never checked it out, for had no reason.

 So.Zoloft - a drug to improve serotonin to do with neuro
 transmitterssupposedly eat a banana or potatoes have same effect.

 I really wonder about this because going through some of the treatments
 for cancer - this is a traumatic experience and stressful.

 What if marijuana just releases the stress which reduces some of the
 side effects?

 The man who died recently who could not smoke marijuana - how horrible -
 his life was made a living hell, and something that could have given him
 an easier path to follow was denied.

 So guess marijuana is illegal because like butterflies, it can be free
 in your own back yard.

 Am still stashing up on the catnip and maybe I make a catnip cigarette
 and  find some marijuana and give it a try.

 After all, the police some of whom I accidently caught years ago,
 smuggled cigarettes up from Kentucky and had no tax stamps - and booze
 which was poured into real labeled bottles.when I saw that one
 checking this famous basement for all was not well at our
 banquet.there they were...funnels and all.

 Upstairs was the Treasurer of Ohio and the candidates to many different
 officedid I snitch - with all those cops in on the game?

 No way..

 Saba

 Some things one does not do = matter of family pride.

 A. Saba
 Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Aleisha Saba

Thank you for the information Jenny; when I have the time I am going to
research this.

Always liked that song Green Green Grass of Home, sung by Tom
Jones

Big federal case over a littlel grass?   Must find out why cats really
like catnip and what the miracle drug is, in thatit might be akin to
zoloft?

Rather have a kid on pot, than Ritilin?


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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Involuntary

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:20:35 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which said:

 You made me really wonder here, involuntary - about use of medical
 marijuana and what it really does.   Feds say no medicinal value?  Maybe
 that is true; but, nicotine is a drug used in medicines, but forget what
 for.

 What you said made me wonder..some people go through chemotherapy
 and feel pretty good; others become very, very ill and are given
 medication now with the therapy.

 What if marijuana just relaxes people - for it is said stress can really
 cause cancer victims unheard of problems.

Well, that's one of my main positive points about marijuana.  It's a
stress reliever, and yes, stress does cause health problems.  That much
has been proven.

 Know two women who went to chemothrapy dailyeach continued to work
 daily - while others had really adverse reactions.

 What if marijuana relaxes a person, relieves the stress, creates a sense
 of well being, and at no cost if you can grow it free..but one there
 was a patent pending on first marijuana cigarette - was aware of this in
 1972 but never checked it out, for had no reason.

I think it boils down to money.  Companies aren't interested in selling
products you can grow for free, but oddly enough, they do it with
tomatoes, oranges, apples, plums, cattle, etc  People would buy
commercially grown marijuana as long as there are no nasty additives
added to it.  But they want a PATENT, and quite frankly, I'm surprised
if they can't get one.  These genetic research companies are getting
patents for the genetic code they engineer.  If I go to a geneticist and
get, say, green eyes instead of blue, I guess basically that company
owns the rights to my green eyes.

 So.Zoloft - a drug to improve serotonin to do with neuro
 transmitterssupposedly eat a banana or potatoes have same effect.

I have noticed that eating a banana does revitalize me.  I thought it
had to do with the potassium, though.

 I really wonder about this because going through some of the treatments
 for cancer - this is a traumatic experience and stressful.

Well, I don't know about cancer, but in the case of AIDS, marijuana
works becasue it allows the patient to keep his medicine down because
the nausea is relieved by getting high.  AIDS patients can gain weight
because the marijuana causes the munchies, giving AIDS patients ravenous
apetites, and that's what they need.  Good nutrition and a way to keep
the food down.  Marijuana does both for them.

 What if marijuana just releases the stress which reduces some of the
 side effects?

 The man who died recently who could not smoke marijuana - how horrible -
 his life was made a living hell, and something that could have given him
 an easier path to follow was denied.

 So guess marijuana is illegal because like butterflies, it can be free
 in your own back yard.

Probably so.  One of the things is that these pharmaceutical research
companies say that smoking anything isn't good.  But they NEVER bring up
that you can simply eat cannabis right off the plant, fresh, like the
herbs basil, dill weed, thyme and others.  Cannabis doesn't have to be
smoked to be effective, but smoking it does result in the quickest
effects.  These pharmaceuticals want to take the marijuana and make it
into a patch, while still keeping the plant itself illegal.  It's
obvious that they want to keep their cash registers ringing.  If I'm not
mistaken, it's illegal to grow your own tobacco, and it's illegal to
make some kinds of alcoholic beverages.  These companies want to do it
for us so we can pay them.  Marijuana patches or pills won't be as
effective as a smoke.  Swallowed Marinol would take a couple of hours to
kick in, if you could hold it down that long.  Smoking a few puffs
causes the effects to kick in in only 5 to 10 minutes, then you swallow
your meds and they stay down.

 Am still stashing up on the catnip and maybe I make a catnip cigarette
 and  find some marijuana and give it a try.

If you've never tried pot, you might not like it so much the first time.
I didn't really care for it the first time.  I just felt sort of light,
like I was sort of filled with helium.  After about the third or fourth
time, I started liking it because I realized I wouldn't turn into a
lunatic.

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Involuntary

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:37:31 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 It may be your fancy treatment of this wild plant is not what it craves
 - for catnip like marijuana, grows wild and free (in more ways than
 one).

I have another 7 packets of seeds.  Perhaps I'll throw some out next
spring and see what happens.

 Get some mud, old fashioned mud and see what happenscatnip is legal
 but maybe the feds never saw a cat higher than hell rolling around on
 ground in catnip patch?

No, but I have a cat and I'd like to see that happen. :-)

 So it is the smellwith marijuana it is something in the dead leaves?
 Wonder what would happen if you made marijuana tea.

"They" say that cannabis is only fat soluble so making tea isn't very
effective.  I don't happen to believe that.  I'd think that you'd get
SOMEthing out of it.  I imagine that making chicken broth with it for a
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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread Involuntary

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:48:01 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 I'm growing some catnip now.  Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow!  I've

 had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely

 grown an inch.

 You are keeping your cats away from it, right?

Yeah.  I think it may have something to do with this drought-stricken
Texas heat.  I keep them watered, but a couple of times the soil has
dried out.  If it's not watered at least every three days, the soil gets
as dry as a bone.

As for the cat, she's an indoors only cat -- never goes out, and in
fact, if you try to open the door with her in your arms, she crawls up
on your neck and holds on for dear life.

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 8/18/00 5:07:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
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  Wonder what would happen if you made marijuana tea. 


Pot tea, while not the BEST way to utilize the sweet bud, is a way to get
high...and the high is more prolonged than smoking, though less
pronounced...or so I've heard...


Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-18 Thread nessie

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less

pronounced...or so I've heard...


People tell me that  depends on how much you drink.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Involuntary

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:31 -0400, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:

 Oh yes - it is grown in Canada in farmers' fields, in forests, in
 backyards and in homes.  I didn't hear this military story.  Ty, could
 you provide a source for your story?  Thanks.

Here you go...  Also have a look at another story I just posted about
the six kids who were killed in Columbia.


Newshawk: Carey Ker
Pubdate: Tue, 15 Aug 2000
Source: National Post (Canada)
Copyright: 2000 Southam Inc.
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Author: Peter Morton

FIVE ACCUSED OF USING ARMY TRUCKS TO SMUGGLE POT

WASHINGTON - Five Canadians, including a military reservist, have been
charged with drug smuggling after two Canadian military vehicles were
employed to ship more than US$1-million of "B.C. Bud" marijuana across
the U.S. border.

Authorities in both countries said it would be the first time a Canadian
military vehicle has been used to bring large amounts of drugs into the
United States.

"This is a new one for us," said Captain Bob Lanouette, a spokesman for
the Canadian Armed Forces National Investigative Services.

He called the incident "extremely disturbing" and said Sergeant Sten
Sture Strom, a member of the reserves from a base in Richmond, B.C.,
will likely face criminal charges in Canada.

The five, along with two Americans, were arraigned in a Seattle court
yesterday after a drug-sniffing dog found 240 pounds of high-potency
marijuana in five duffel bags hidden in one of the Canadian military
vehicles trying to cross the border at Blaine, Wash.

The marijuana sells for as much as US$5,000 a pound on the American
market.

American customs officials became suspicious of the two military
vehicles on Aug. 12 when they arrived at the busy border crossing in the
early evening, claiming to want to pick up a broken-down Canadian
military truck in nearby Ferndale, Wash.

Canada and the United States routinely have joint military exercises in
the region, especially in the winter, but one American official said the
border agents on both sides are always notified in advance.

In this case, the Americans were not told Canadian military vehicles
would be crossing that night.

In an affidavit filed in a Seattle court, United States drug agents said
Sgt.  Strom drove the first vehicle, a military tow truck, while the
second vehicle, described as a military utility truck, was driven by
Brent Sheldon Rusnak, a Canadian civilian dressed in a military uniform
with someone else's name tag.

After the two were arrested, United States drug enforcement agents said
in court filings yesterday, Sgt.  Strom agreed to co-operate and told
the agents about a pre-arranged pick-up point in a shopping mall in
Blaine where he was to be paid US$16,000 to deliver the marijuana.

Two agents, wearing the Canadian Army uniforms, are alleged to have
driven the Canadian military vehicles to the mall, where Robert Ralph
Lauren, a third Canadian, was arrested.

Authorities claim he unloaded the marijuana into a rented mini-van.

U. S. drug agents said their investigation was helped when a cellular
phone seized from Mr. Lauren began ringing.  United States Customs
claims the caller was worried about the delay and asked that the
marijuana be delivered to an underground parking lot at the Courtyard
Marriot hotel in Seattle.

"Customs and DEA agents took the marijuana to this location and arrested
four more suspects -- two U.S. citizens and two Canadian citizens," U.S.
Customs said.

Arrested were Yoshi George Yamada, Roderick Arthur Brennan, both
Canadians, and Wesley Dean Antholz and Erin Nicole Harms.  Mr. Antholz
and Ms. Harms are American.

All have been charged with importing and distributing drugs.

Capt.  Lanouette said the Armed Forces has launched its own
investigation to find out how the military vehicles managed to leave the
12th Services Battalion in Richmond.

The seizure comes at a particularly sensitive time after the Canadian
government managed to convince Congress not to go ahead with a
controversial proposal to demand more paperwork at the border from
Canadians, something that could have tied up the border crossings for
hours.

In addition, United States Immigration and Customs services have been
complaining to Congressional committees that the B.C.-Washington border
is becoming increasing popular with drug and people smugglers as well as
terrorists.

Last December, Ahmed Ressan, an alleged Algerian terrorist, was arrested
at B.C.-Washington border with what police claim was bomb-making
material.
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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Involuntary

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:16:25 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article
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 Okay Ty - I agree, but what is so dumb - you can grow that stuff free in
 your own bathtub?

Yeah, that's true.  But of course, it would be nice if it was legal to
do so.  I don't think most pot smokers actually want to break the law,
but they like smoking up illegally than not smoking up legally.

 It grows wild and like herbs and natural medicines, many will be
 outlawed until they are synthenticized.then pay big bucks.

Perish the thought!  I don't mind if Pfizer grows my buds, but I don't
want them ground into powder and shaped into a little pill!

 What a big price for Columbian Gold?   Why is it so valuable?

Because of the risks involved in trafficking it.  Growers look at their
past statistics and they know about how much will be confiscated by the
cops.  The more the cops confiscate, the higher the drug prices go.  Of
course, at the same time, drug dealers know that people will pay that
for drugs, so besides the other factors involved, there's also a 2,500%
profit to be made on drugs.  I always shake my head when I hear about 6
pot plants uprooted with a street value of $24,000.  Keep in mind that
I've never seen a real, live marijuana plant, but 6 plants = $24,000???
Puhleeze!  That's just insane!  And people are winning insurance claims
after the cops come in and steal their plants!  I think that's great,
but the value of the stuff still amazes me.  How many pounds can be
taken from a single plant?  1/4 ounce sold for $25 in Dallas about three
years ago.  So at those prices, if 6 plants can have a street value of
$24,000, that means you can get 2.5 pounds of pot from one plant,
selling for $4,000, or $1,600 per pound.  Of course, buying that much at
once usually gets you a bulk discount.  A friend of mine got 1/4 pound
(4 ounces) for $250.  Don't worry.  He's dead now so they can't hurt
him.  Anyway, Dallas prices were very cheap compared to other places in
the country.  Some places, 1/4 oz costs around $50 or $60.

So if you consider that you can grow a marijuana plant to maturity in
only a matter of 3-5 months, and considering that they're naturally
pest-resistent, and the fact that the stuff can grow virtually anywhere,
then the only reason left for the high prices is the fact that it's a
black market commodity, and perhaps availability.  Most people buy from
a dealer.  The few who grow themselves may value it with street prices,
but in reality, since gardening is a hobby for many, and given that a
little goes a long way with the stuff, the value of 2.5 pounds of pot
probably isn't more than about $50.  People who make a living at growing
pot, though, will sell the stuff at street prices and make huge profits
on only a few plants simply because they can sell for that price and
people will pay it.  If the stuff was mass produced by corporations on
large farms, you could get the stuff for probably $5 per pound.  Much
better than the current $1,000+ per pound you pay now.  Some people
think that legal drugs selling for such a low price would result in
people REALLY getting stoned.  Not necessarily so.  It simply means that
people wouldn't have to spend as much to get their fix.  Instead of
spending $50 per month on a couple of quarters, they'd spend probably
about $10.00 because I'd expect a huge tax to be put on it if it ever is
legalized.  That would make me happy to pay taxes on pot.  I can't think
of any pot smoker that wouldn't be happy because it would still mean an
80% drop in prices!

 I once had a little marijuana plant I cared for until I found out
 what it was and then I stopped watering it and it died and natural
 death and one day it was gone, and somebody had smoked it.

 You want marijuana?  Grow your own, and roll your own.  Next think
 they will be after the catnip and what will my cat do?  Will they
 take her to the cat slammer?

I'm growing some catnip now.  Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow!  I've
had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely
grown an inch.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Involuntary

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:55:09 -0400, Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article 00b001c0070b$dd86af40$01bdfea9@revcoal, which said:

 But that said, I don't cheer for either side; rather I weep over
 the fact that so much money and resources are being diverted over
 something that should be decriminalized; and that the 'War on
 Drugs' is a scam, a smoke-and-mirrors con game utilized to lull
 the public into sacrificing more and more of the public's rights
 as citizens.

Pharmaceutical companies don't like the idea of legalized marijuana
becasue it means that AIDS and cancer patients can hold their medicines
down.  Bristol-Meyers, Pfizer, Parke-Davis, etc... they love it when
people puke up their medications.  It means that people go through their
medicines faster because who wants to swallow a pill that's been thrown
up?

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Involuntary

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:25 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which said:

 Thank you Gremlinguess you have seen a few spooks in your day?

 I would like just once to smoke a marijuana cigarette, but I do not
 smoke.out of curiosity.

I was terrified when the idea hit me that I might like to try it.  I
spent 2 months researching before I actually made the decision to try
it.  I read what DARE had to say about it, then looked at my friends who
were smoking and none of them were exhibiting any of the effects that
DARE said was caused by pot smoking.  Plus, I looked at the history of
prohibition.  It seems that the reasons not to smoke have changed
through the years.  To me, that just meant they were making stuff up to
get what they wanted, so I decided to try it, bracing myself for the
onslaught of psychotic thoughts and raging horniness that would make me
want to rape and kill anything in sight.  First time, not much happened.
I just felt kind of queasy, like I was having airtime on a
rollercoaster.  But by the third time, I realized that I wasn't going to
become a psycho.  In fact, just the opposite happened.  I learned how to
relax, where before I was just GO GO GO GO!  I needed a dose of
"amotivational syndrome".  I still went, but I took the time to decide
whether I wanted to "go" or not and if I didn't, I just stayed home and
relaxed.

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Aleisha Saba

You made me really wonder here, involuntary - about use of medical
marijuana and what it really does.   Feds say no medicinal value?  Maybe
that is true; but, nicotine is a drug used in medicines, but forget what
for.

What you said made me wonder..some people go through chemotherapy
and feel pretty good; others become very, very ill and are given
medication now with the therapy.

What if marijuana just relaxes people - for it is said stress can really
cause cancer victims unheard of problems.

Know two women who went to chemothrapy dailyeach continued to work
daily - while others had really adverse reactions.

What if marijuana relaxes a person, relieves the stress, creates a sense
of well being, and at no cost if you can grow it free..but one there
was a patent pending on first marijuana cigarette - was aware of this in
1972 but never checked it out, for had no reason.

So.Zoloft - a drug to improve serotonin to do with neuro
transmitterssupposedly eat a banana or potatoes have same effect.

I really wonder about this because going through some of the treatments
for cancer - this is a traumatic experience and stressful.

What if marijuana just releases the stress which reduces some of the
side effects?

The man who died recently who could not smoke marijuana - how horrible -
his life was made a living hell, and something that could have given him
an easier path to follow was denied.

So guess marijuana is illegal because like butterflies, it can be free
in your own back yard.

Am still stashing up on the catnip and maybe I make a catnip cigarette
and  find some marijuana and give it a try.

After all, the police some of whom I accidently caught years ago,
smuggled cigarettes up from Kentucky and had no tax stamps - and booze
which was poured into real labeled bottles.when I saw that one
checking this famous basement for all was not well at our
banquet.there they were...funnels and all.

Upstairs was the Treasurer of Ohio and the candidates to many different
officedid I snitch - with all those cops in on the game?

No way..

Saba

Some things one does not do = matter of family pride.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Aleisha Saba

When we were kids Involuntary, we always had a catand this cat would
go to end of our lot, which was edged with trees and in this area, my
mother had grown flower beds,  rock garden and roses and here was this
plant which thrived which she always carefully avoided hurting when
weeding, etc.   It was a wild plant and I used to laugh when the cat
would go wild out there.

My mother would sew little packets of catnip and the cat would go wild
for awhile - talking about a 12 o clock highand sudden, lose
interest for the smell must not be effective for too  long.

So it was catnip, and it grew wild.my lawyer friend used to grow it
outside her office, where she had purshased this small building and made
tea with it..and something that smelled like spearmint

It may be your fancy treatment of this wild plant is not what it craves
- for catnip like marijuana, grows wild and free (in more ways than
one).

Get some mud, old fashioned mud and see what happenscatnip is legal
but maybe the feds never saw a cat higher than hell rolling around on
ground in catnip patch?

So it is the smellwith marijuana it is something in the dead leaves?
Wonder what would happen if you made marijuana tea.

Begin to understand now why marijuana is such an endangiered
species..like Osama bin Ladin, price on this plant is biggr than on
his head?

Law of supply and demand?   Like prohibition - no wonder Lucky Luciana
after prohibition was out continued to support WCTU..those old
broads were probably on the payroll of the mob all the time.

Now too I always wondered why it was illegal to sell and take certain
seeds for food ovrseas whilel people died from hunger?



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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread nessie

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

I'm growing some catnip now.  Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow!  I've

had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely

grown an inch.

You are keeping your cats away from it, right?

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-17 Thread Mark McHugh

nessie wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 I'm growing some catnip now.  Jeez, that stuff is hard to grow!  I've

 had some sitting out in some potting soil for months and it's barely

 grown an inch.

 You are keeping your cats away from it, right?


We had that problem when I was a kid.  The cat found the two plants of catnip.
We found him zonked in the backyard and the plants stripped bare.  Ours grew
fine with no more attention than the watering in the evening.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-16 Thread Gremlin

There is no better bud, than the bud you grow yourself.
I am talking serious quality control.
Especially if you use the SacredHerb for medicinal and/or Ritual/Sacramental
purposes...
Point of reference.
Green Gold The tree of Life:Marijuan in Magic and Religion
by Cris Bennett. Lynne Osbourne,  Judy Osbourne.
ISBN 0-9629872-2-0
Access Unlimited, 1995

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this


Okay Ty - I agree, but what is so dumb - you can grow that stuff free in
your own bathtub?

It grows wild and like herbs and natural medicines, many will be
outlawed until they are synthenticized.then pay big bucks.

What a big price for Columbian Gold?   Why is it so valuable?   I once
had a little marijuana plant I cared for until I found out what it was
and then I stopped watering it and it died and natural death and one day
it was gone, and somebody had smoked it.

You want marijuana?   Grow your own, and roll your own.   Next think
they will be after the catnip and what will my cat do?   Will they take
her to the cat slammer?

Marijuana on Canadian Trucks?   Sounds fishy to me - maybe someone
looking for something else?

Columbian Gold - something else hidden like cocaine - could never figure
out why pot was so high in price - why the grass is always greener in
Columbia or a Canada?

We have all the green green grass of home right in our own back yard.

So they want big stuff - ought to contact my old pilot friend who this
one very wealthy man wanted to do some smuggling for him.

Wonder if Larry Flynt still has two planes?   One for his ego and the
other for his snow birds and bi producs?

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-16 Thread Aleisha Saba

Thank you Gremlinguess you have seen a few spooks in your day?

I would like just once to smoke a marijuana cigarette, but I do not
smoke.out of curiosity.

But curiosity killed a catand I am regardless, going to stash up on
the catnip in the even someday the feds come to my door for my cat and
her catnip.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-16 Thread Gremlin

yes, i have had my share of fleas(slang for cops).
I helped set up and organize several rallies in Vancouver and Victoria, B.C.
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Thank you Gremlinguess you have seen a few spooks in your day?

I would like just once to smoke a marijuana cigarette, but I do not
smoke.out of curiosity.

But curiosity killed a catand I am regardless, going to stash up on
the catnip in the even someday the feds come to my door for my cat and
her catnip.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-15 Thread Mark McHugh

Involuntary wrote:

 I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this.

 Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that
 marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks?  Yes, the smuggle
 failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt?  I have to admit --
 honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols
 every time they make a bust.

 I just had to get that off my chest.

 If any narcs are reading, I'd just like to say hello as a show of
 sportsmanship. :-\

 Ty

Can't they grow MJ up in Canada?  We grow it here in the US Midwest, but there
are still tons of it moving through the area coming from Mexico.  It's usually
the stupid smugglers that get caught, the fools doing 80 on the Interstates with
tons of aromatic herb stuffed in their trucks.  Are those guys the sacrificial
lambs?

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

Okay Ty - I agree, but what is so dumb - you can grow that stuff free in
your own bathtub?

It grows wild and like herbs and natural medicines, many will be
outlawed until they are synthenticized.then pay big bucks.

What a big price for Columbian Gold?   Why is it so valuable?   I once
had a little marijuana plant I cared for until I found out what it was
and then I stopped watering it and it died and natural death and one day
it was gone, and somebody had smoked it.

You want marijuana?   Grow your own, and roll your own.   Next think
they will be after the catnip and what will my cat do?   Will they take
her to the cat slammer?

Marijuana on Canadian Trucks?   Sounds fishy to me - maybe someone
looking for something else?

Columbian Gold - something else hidden like cocaine - could never figure
out why pot was so high in price - why the grass is always greener in
Columbia or a Canada?

We have all the green green grass of home right in our own back yard.

So they want big stuff - ought to contact my old pilot friend who this
one very wealthy man wanted to do some smuggling for him.

Wonder if Larry Flynt still has two planes?   One for his ego and the
other for his snow birds and bi producs?

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-15 Thread Kelly

Mark McHugh wrote:

 Involuntary wrote:
 
  I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this.
 
  Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that
  marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks?  Yes, the smuggle
  failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt?  I have to admit --
  honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols
  every time they make a bust.
 
  I just had to get that off my chest.
 
  If any narcs are reading, I'd just like to say hello as a show of
  sportsmanship. :-\
 
  Ty

 Can't they grow MJ up in Canada?  We grow it here in the US Midwest, but there
 are still tons of it moving through the area coming from Mexico.  It's usually
 the stupid smugglers that get caught, the fools doing 80 on the Interstates with
 tons of aromatic herb stuffed in their trucks.  Are those guys the sacrificial
 lambs?

Oh yes - it is grown in Canada in farmers' fields, in forests, in
backyards and in homes.  I didn't hear this military story.  Ty, could
you provide a source for your story?  Thanks.

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-15 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "Involuntary" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this.

I'll take a swing at it, just to prove you wrong...  ;-)


 Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that
 marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks?  Yes, the smuggle
 failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt?  I have to admit --
 honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols
 every time they make a bust.

There is a reason they call it 'dope'...only dopes use that stuff.

But that said, I don't cheer for either side; rather I weep over the fact that so much 
money and resources are being diverted over
something that should be decriminalized; and that the 'War on Drugs' is a scam, a 
smoke-and-mirrors con game utilized to lull the
public into sacrificing more and more of the public's rights as citizens.


June

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Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-15 Thread Mike Smith

 I cheered and laffed my ass of at that. not bcuz of the attempt as you
say. But being canadian i like every black eye one of our Gov't institutions
gets.

Mike Smith

 I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this.

 Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that
 marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks?  Yes, the smuggle
 failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt?  I have to admit --
 honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols
 every time they make a bust.

 I just had to get that off my chest.

 If any narcs are reading, I'd just like to say hello as a show of
 sportsmanship. :-\

 Ty

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