Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 10:02 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of 'credibility and reputation'. We also know that when it comes to assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege. Prudy Consider rephrasing that to: Ah June, you have so much common knowledge. (Oh, and you might consider adding a meeeowww, just to get the tone right). Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. Well, I think this is called merchandising. The matter would certainly be of more interest right now. Prudy Actually, for once you and I agree...but I think the JAMA aspires to being 'apolitical' (not that it really is), but by deliberately pushing the scheduled publication date up to coincide with the impeachment trial, the editor basically tipped the magazine's hand in showing that it's claim to being above politics is a fraud. June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- It is common practice, among the major media, to set such stories to the "beat" of convenience. There is a rhythm which pulses out the heartbeat of propaganda to condition and control the mind set of America. This incident is very small, compared to the manipulations manifested over the years. It is how we were fed the Federal Reserve System, the United Nations and the multitude of Rhode's scholar designs put forth by our present and many past presidents. Follow the money trail and the power path !! New World Order !! -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath? Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:34 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/16/99 6:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. Well, I think this is called merchandising. The matter would certainly be of more interest right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:57:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This survey, if true, speaks volumes regarding education, mind control and indoctrination - not to mention stupidity. Scary stuff. You're on the right list, girl. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/clintime.htm Timeline: The Assault on the Presidency by Edward Spannaus and Jeffrey Steinberg Printed in The Executive Intelligence Review, February 6, 1998. -- April 1991: Linda Tripp goes to work for the Bush White House as a political appointee, following a series of civil service jobs in the Department of Defense. November-December 1992: At the recommendation of senior Bush administration people, the Clinton transition team hires Linda Tripp as an administrative assistant. January-March 1993: After working initially for Presidential aide Bruce Lindsey, Tripp is assigned to the Office of Legal Counsel, working for Bernard Nussbaum and sometimes for Vincent Foster. Winter 1993: Tony Snow, a conservative columnist on the payroll of Rupert Murdoch's Fox TV, introduces New York City literary agent Lucianne Goldberg to Linda Tripp, as Goldberg is seeking contracts for anti-Clinton books. Feb. 11, 1994: Paula Jones holds a press conference, claiming she had been accosted by Governor Clinton. March-April 1994: The Sunday Telegraph's Washington bureau chief, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, holds a series of meetings with Paula Jones and her lawyers, pressing her to file a lawsuit against the President. April 1994: Tripp is transferred from her White House job to a position at the Pentagon. Clinton loyalists have already become suspicious that Tripp has been a ``mole'' for Republican Get Clinton forces. Tripp lies to colleagues at the Pentagon that she was expelled from the White House because she ``knew too much about Whitewater.'' May 5, 1994: Paula Jones files her lawsuit against Bill Clinton. She receives extensive financial support from conservative and evangelical legal foundations, most of them funded by Richard Mellon Scaife. Summer 1994: Kenneth Starr is preparing a pro bono legal brief for women's groups supporting Paula Jones. He is simultaneously doing work for the Landmark Legal Foundation, one of the groups bankrolled by Mellon Scaife. Aug. 5, 1994: Starr is named to replace Robert Fiske as Whitewater independent counsel. The three-judge selection panel is headed by Appellate Court Judge David Sentelle. Summer 1995: Monica Lewinsky becomes an unpaid intern in the White House. She is later given a paid job there, answering correspondence. July-August 1995: Tripp testifies before the Senate Whitewater committee about events surrounding the death of Vincent Foster. April 17, 1996: Lewinsky is transferred to the Pentagon. Autumn 1996: Lewinsky meets Tripp. November 1996: Starr begins questioning Arkansas state troopers about Clinton's extramarital affairs, although there is no clear mandate for this line of investigation. Spring 1997:Newsweek's Michael Isakoff first meets Linda Tripp, while Isakoff is working on the Paula Jones case. Lucianne Goldberg attends some of the Tripp-Isakoff meetings. August 1997: Tripp speaks to Newsweek about an alleged sexual encounter between President Clinton and Kathleen Willey. Aug. 11, 1997: President Clinton's personal attorney, Robert Bennett, attacks Tripp's credibility after the Willey story breaks in the news, and Willey denies the Tripp allegations. Late August 1997: Linda Tripp begins taping phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky. October 1997: Tripp and Isakoff meet with Lucianne Goldberg, in Joshua Goldberg's Washington apartment. Tripp plays several of the Lewinsky tapes for Goldberg. Autumn 1997: The Rutherford Institute, which is now representing Paula Jones, reportedly receives three anonymous phone calls from a woman, alerting them to a Lewinsky-Clinton ``affair.'' Earlier, an anonymous call, also from a woman, had reportedly tipped off the Rutherford lawyers about Katherine Willey. Dec. 17, 1997: Lewinsky and Tripp are subpoenaed by Jones's lawyers, to be depositioned for the upcoming civil suit against the President. Dec. 26, 1997: Lewinsky leaves her job at the Pentagon. Jan. 7, 1998: Lewinsky signs an affidavit denying that she had had an affair with President Clinton. Jan. 10-12, 1998: Sometime during this 72-hour period, Linda Tripp brings her tapes to Kenneth Starr. Jan. 13, 1998: Tripp meets Lewinsky at Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Pentagon City, Virginia; Tripp is wearing a wire, with FBI agents in hiding. At this point, Starr still has no jurisdiction to probe the Lewinsky matter. Jan. 15, 1998: Starr meets Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder and requests expansion of his investigative authority. Jan. 16, 1998: Reno applies to the three-judge panel for expansion of Starr's investigation. The request is immediately approved. Jan. 16, 1998: Starr interviews Hillary Clinton under oath at the White House. Jan. 16, 1998: Tripp meets Lewinsky at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel; FBI agents grab Lewinsky and bring her up to a hotel suite, where they try to compel her to take immunity--without a lawyer present--and then attempt to entrap Vernon Jordan and President
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/britolig.htm The British Oligarchy Moves To Oust President Clinton by Jeffrey Steinberg Printed in The Executive Intelligence Review, February 6, 1998. The British monarchy, in league with elements of a vast Anglophile apparatus inside the United States, is running a high-risk, high-stakes assault against President Bill Clinton and, more broadly, the institution of the U.S. Presidency, in the midst of the gravest financial and monetary crisis of the twentieth century. The so-called Monica Lewinsky sex scandal is but the latest and most vile episode in a British-led ``Get Clinton'' campaign that was set in motion even before the President was sworn into office in January 1993--long before the American public ever heard of Whitewater or Paula Jones. The fact that the latest chapter of the frame-up campaign occurred on the eve of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's meeting with President Clinton, and as the Clinton administration was battling City of London, continental European, and Wall Street bankers over how to deal with a systemic world financial meltdown, currently centered in Asia, suggests the real motives behind the latest ``bimbo eruption'' against the President. It has been standard British monarchy fare, for example the ``Profumo Affair'' in 1962-63, to accomplish strategic political objectives via seemingly ``apolitical'' sex scandals. In that instance, the British establishment used a sex scandal, with KGB complications, involving British Defense Minister John Profumo, to bring down the Harold Macmillan government and usher into power a thoroughly ``New Age'' Labourite, Harold Wilson. The Wilson government immediately proceeded to launch a strategic assault upon the Bretton Woods System, which led, in 1971, to President Nixon's disastrous withdrawal of the dollar from the gold-pegged, fixed-exchange-rate system. Those British-orchestrated events, during 1968-71, set the world on the course of financial and economic disaster, which is now in its end-game phase. In the present instance, the Hollinger Corp., the media cartel that grew out of World War II British intelligence operations aimed at the United States, dispatched, in 1993, under journalist cover, a self-admitted MI6 stringer, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, to stir up a seemingly endless string of sex and murder scandals, all aimed against the President. Evans-Pritchard has bragged, in the pages of the Telegraph newspapers, that he personally induced Paula Jones to launch her legal suit against President Clinton. The suit has been bankrolled, from day one, through various right-wing and Christian fundamentalist fronts, all financed by Richard Mellon Scaife, the scion of the rabidly Anglophile Mellon family. Rupert Murdoch, another ``crown jewel'' of the House of Windsor, has thrown his own media empire, including the London Times, the New York Post, and the U.S. network Fox TV, into the ``Get Clinton'' propaganda frenzy. The editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal, the Moonie Washington Times, and the Hollinger-led American Spectator, have all been part of what the White House appropriately dubbed ``the media food chain.'' In turn, these ostensibly mainstream media outlets have worked in tandem with a large number of even more unsavory newsletters--such as convicted fraudster Nick Guarino's Wall Street Underground, Lord William Rees-Mogg's Strategic Investment newsletter, and British plagiarist Dr. John Coleman's World In Review--to spread the poison among gullible Main Street populists, through a never-ending stream of junk-mail promotionals. Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr, formerly President George Bush's Solicitor General, is another creature of the Mellon Scaife apparatus. Before he was appointed to the Whitewater grand inquisitor post, the wildly Anglophilic Starr (he has photographs of Margaret Thatcher in all his offices, according to the London Guardian) was involved in pro bono legal work on the Paula Jones suit against the President. Starr has already been provided with a lucrative post-Whitewater job at Pepperdine University in California, a school heavily endowed by Mellon Scaife. Even at the lowest gutter level, the assault on the President involves people with long-standing Anglophile intelligence pedigrees--and worse. Linda Tripp, the Bush administration mole who was the central player in two attempted ``sex scandal'' attacks against President Clinton, has a background that includes participation in several classified military intelligence units, including the elite counter-terror Delta Force. From the moment the Clinton administration came to Washington, Tripp surrounded herself with hard-core enemies of President Clinton, such as retired FBI agent Gary Aldrich, who wrote a book-length fabrication about his two-year stint at the Clinton White House. Tripp had also established what she described to her lawyer as a ``comfort
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- Linda: I am interested and appreciate your posts on the subject from various sources. Barb At 09:59 AM 1/17/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc. Sorry, it just seems improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc. + Barb, If you're truly interested in learning how this cabal operates, try reading the following article. It may interest you to know that Theodore Olson is married to the Barbara Olson who has been appearing on the talk-show circuit, especially Larry King Live. Linda == from: http://www.larouchepub.com/olson_starr_salon.html This article appeared in the March 13, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. Secret Operation vs. Clinton Is Run by Olson-Starr Salon by Edward Spannaus Dramatic new information developed by EIR on the role of Washington lawyer Theodore B. Olson as the power behind independent counsel Kenneth Starr, suggests that President Clinton is the target of an illegal, rogue intelligence operation being carried out under the putative authority of the 1981 Presidential Executive Order 12333. There are close parallels between the operation being run against Clinton, and that carried out against Lyndon LaRouche by some of the same circles, in the 1980s. The railroad against LaRouche was conducted as a covert foreign intelligence operation under the provisions of E.O. 12333--which permitted the "privatization" of intelligence operations. Key to the ensuing prosecution and judicial frame-up of LaRouche was a "softening up" process of defamation conducted through news media assets of George Bush's "secret government." This propaganda campaign was coordinated through a series of secret "Get LaRouche" meetings at the New York apartment of Wall Street spook/financier John Train--in what has become known as the "Train salon"--which included representatives of government intelligence and law enforcement agencies, plus news media representatives, including the Wall Street Journal. The "Train salon" was a project of the "Public Diplomacy" effort run out of the National Security Council, under the direction of George Bush's national security adviser Donald Gregg, and Gregg's associate, longtime CIA propaganda specialist Walter Raymond. According to evidence obtained by the Congressional committees investigating Iran-Contra, the initial financing for the Public Diplomacy program came from two intelligence-linked sources: Richard Mellon Scaife's foundations, and the Smith-Richardson Foundation. As we shall see, the same sort of "public-private" operation is now being conducted against President Clinton, by circles around Theodore Olson. In the LaRouche case, the "foreign counterintelligence" hook for the investigation was the allegation--circulated by Henry Kissinger and circles in the FBI--that LaRouche was a Soviet agent of influence, or a Soviet disinformation agent. It is likely that, in the case of Clinton, the pretext is the charge, circulating widely among circles within the FBI and private right-wing networks, that Clinton is guilty of treason for allowing secret intelligence to flow to China, in exchange for campaign contributions. The Olson salon The "Get Clinton" salon meets regularly at the home of former Justice Department official Olson, a longtime close friend and associate of Kenneth Starr, and of Olson's wife Barbara, chief counsel for Rep. Dan Burton's House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Burton's committee has been noisily conducting investigations of the "Chinagate" allegations around Democratic Party campaign fundraising, and of other alleged Clinton administration transgressions. The gatherings include: Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, Federal appeals court judge Laurence Silberman, former judge Robert Bork, Supreme Court associate justice Clarence Thomas, Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley, American Spectator editor Emmett Tyrrell, and many others. A glimpse into the Olson salon can be found in the July 1997 Esquire magazine, in an article by David Brock, titled "Confessions of a Right-Wing Hit Man." Brock was the author of the Scaife-financed "Troopergate" article in the January 1994 American Spectator--on whose board Ted Olson sits. Brock described how he had been a guest at the wedding of Ted and Barbara Olson in the summer of 1996, where "the entire anti-Clinton establishment" was on hand, including Starr, former Bush White House Counsel C. Boyden Gray, and the Wall Street Journal's
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/16/99 6:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. Well, I think this is called merchandising. The matter would certainly be of more interest right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of 'credibility and reputation'. We also know that when it comes to assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of 'credibility and reputation'. We also know that when it comes to assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. what some people call self control others might think of as sexual repression and as any self respecting social engineer knows that; if they have you by the balls, your mind will follow. you seem fairly obedient to the program june. rant on, because it is man's domain to subdue nature and master his environment and capitalism to bring it all to distruction. i keep thinking two-tonguedness, but everyone knows that is not a word. Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege. Prudy that is from hanging with insider types; i cringe to think who that might be. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/99 8:19:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sex, period. Not 'sexual relations', not 'sex act'...it's all parsing words, anyways, cuz anyone with half a brain knows sex = sex act = sexual relations It's interesting as a matter of discussion, but for some it's a matter of getting fired. According to the AP writer, Brenda Coleman (reported in my morning paper), one Dr. George D. Lundberg, editor of The Journal of the American Medical Association for l7 years was fired Friday for publishing a what-is-sex survey of college students to coincide with President Clinton's impeachment trial. The article - "Would You Say You Had Sex' If...? found that 59 percent of college students surveyed did not consider having oral sex as having "had sex." What is and what isn't having sexual relations is obviously very serious business. Or at least it is to the AMA. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 12:17 PM 1/15/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- Carlene M. Wojahn wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted to lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? Ahhh...but he hasn't admitted that..you see they didn't have sexual relations...he wasn't having any with her, she was having relations with him. +++ The point so many people seem to be missing is that this whole scandal started with a lawsuit brought by a woman whose credibility is severely in question, at a time when the law was not even clear whether a civil lawsuit could be brought against a sitting president. The law was clear to everyone, especially Clinton and his counsel. ---Snip- Suppose for a moment that she lied about what happened. Suppose also that the lawyers were acting on behalf of politically motivated individuals who hate Clinton for political reasons only--because his policies hurt their pocketbooks, for example. Lawyers taking a matter to trial on behalf of politically motivated plaintiff(s) - now that's something that you don't see every single day on every docket in the country!! Suppose these same people knew Monica's proclivities and Bill's weakness and set up a scenario for him to fall into, while at the same time pushing the Jones case through the court so that depositions could be taken. Then they monitored Monica's reports through agents Tripp and Goldberg, making sure any available evidence (like the dress) is preserved. I believe this scenario--given the connections between Ted and Barbara Olson, Kenneth Starr, the Rutherford Foundation and Richard Mellon Scaife--is much more credible than the "common sense" allegations Starr presented to Congress, without any real evidence, such as any small-town prosecutor in Texas would have to have in order to convict anybody for anything. If the real evidence he had, and the way he got it were revealed, and were subject to cross-examination in a real court, the judge would dismiss the case without presenting it to the jury. Linda Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated. The rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting as a matter of discussion, but for some it's a matter of getting fired. According to the AP writer, Brenda Coleman (reported in my morning paper), one Dr. George D. Lundberg, editor of The Journal of the American Medical Association for l7 years was fired Friday for publishing a what-is-sex survey of college students to coincide with President Clinton's impeachment trial. The article - "Would You Say You Had Sex' If...? found that 59 percent of college students surveyed did not consider having oral sex as having "had sex." What is and what isn't having sexual relations is obviously very serious business. Or at least it is to the AMA. Prudy What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated. The rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant. Barb On the contrary. It indicates a well-orchestrated cabal planned a coup d'etat. The people who planned it are of the same ilk as those who killed John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. But they found they can only murder so many important political figures without making people suspicious. (Who would have ever thought 35 years later people like some of us on this list are still determined to find out who did it.) So the next best option is to destroy the credibility and reputation of the individual. If you don't believe such conspiracies exist, why do you subscribe to this list? Linda DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 06:02 PM 1/16/99 -0600, LM wrote: -Caveat Lector- Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated. The rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant. Barb On the contrary. It indicates a well-orchestrated cabal planned a coup d'etat. The people who planned it are of the same ilk as those who killed John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. But they found they can only murder so many important political figures without making people suspicious. (Who would have ever thought 35 years later people like some of us on this list are still determined to find out who did it.) So the next best option is to destroy the credibility and reputation of the individual. If you don't believe such conspiracies exist, why do you subscribe to this list? Linda Are you saying that one must believe ANYTHING in order to subscribe to this list? Come up with proof, or even a set a facts from which a reasonable person would conclude your story is plausible, otherwise it's just that - a story. Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc. Sorry, it just seems improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Ah, facts, how nice. Pity this sort doesn't make the soundbytes. :-) I didn't read any 'facts', just some more allegations, albeit from the perspective of Klinton supporters... If the timetable is indeed such a 'bombshell' which the Klintonistas planned to 'drop at the trial', why then did Klinton lie under oath -- as he himself now admits he did -- to the Paula Jones grand jury? June Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted to lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Carlene M. Wojahn wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted to lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? Ahhh...but he hasn't admitted that..you see they didn't have sexual relations...he wasn't having any with her, she was having relations with him. +++ The point so many people seem to be missing is that this whole scandal started with a lawsuit brought by a woman whose credibility is severely in question, at a time when the law was not even clear whether a civil lawsuit could be brought against a sitting president. Clearly, lawyers--including friends and associates of Kenneth Starr--approached Ms. Jones with offers to take her case and somehow come up with money for her living expenses in order to argue the position that a president can be sued during his term. Suppose for a moment that she lied about what happened. Suppose also that the lawyers were acting on behalf of politically motivated individuals who hate Clinton for political reasons only--because his policies hurt their pocketbooks, for example. Suppose these same people knew Monica's proclivities and Bill's weakness and set up a scenario for him to fall into, while at the same time pushing the Jones case through the court so that depositions could be taken. Then they monitored Monica's reports through agents Tripp and Goldberg, making sure any available evidence (like the dress) is preserved. I believe this scenario--given the connections between Ted and Barbara Olson, Kenneth Starr, the Rutherford Foundation and Richard Mellon Scaife--is much more credible than the "common sense" allegations Starr presented to Congress, without any real evidence, such as any small-town prosecutor in Texas would have to have in order to convict anybody for anything. If the real evidence he had, and the way he got it were revealed, and were subject to cross-examination in a real court, the judge would dismiss the case without presenting it to the jury. Linda from: http://www.rain.org/~openmind/lies.htm The Truth, the Whole Truth . . . By David LePlunom What is the truth? Is it a reasonable goal of the court that every statement made in a court of law should be true? This doesn't appear reasonable or an effective means to achieve a rule of law. For example, what is the truth as it related to the testimony of Paula Jones? Paula Jones clearly lied under oath in her complaint and in her deposition. Judge Wright described Paula Jones' testimony regarding tangible job damages as vague, contradictory and contrary in some cases to state employment records in her April 1 order dismissing the case. This was a very accurate description of the testimony of Paula Jones. It is emphasized that this was the legal basis for which Monica Lewinsky was permitted to be subpoenaed as a witness. We have taken the testimony from the actual deposition transcripts and the complaints to emphasize points where probable perjury was commited. This will not effect the sanctimonious in the press who will continue to emphasize President Clinton's lie under oath. We have to remember that the Starnographers are incapable of being influenced by truth. No matter what the testimony showed, the Starry Eyed were just going to emphasize everything Paula Jones' attorneys were stating and ignore the truth about how weak her case was. By the way for the McCollum, Barr and Sennsenbrenner groupies, there are quite a few I don't recall statements here. In this article by the way, I have emphasized points in her complaint or deposition contradicted at another point in testimony by either Paula Jones or state employment records. I have not cited excerpts from other depositions that would imply she is not telling the truth. I have also emphasized situations where I believe it is clear Paula is not telling the truth. The following are the points that clearly indicate that Paula's testimony was far from the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth: 1) Paula Jones claimed in her sworn complaint that she did not receive merit raises in retribution for refusing to accede to Governor Clinton's alleged advances. However, the records of the state indicated she did receive several of these raises. Let us examine her testimony in this area to see if it was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth: Q. All right. And on March 11th, 1992, you received a merit increase? A. Um-huh. Q. Didn't you? A. Probably. That's what everybody else received too. Q. And on - A. Cost-of-living-raise. Q. And on July no. I said merit increase. A. Oh, I don't what that is. Q. You know there's a difference between a merit increase and a cost-of-living increase, you know that? A. No. Q. You don't know that you got both cost-of-living increases and merit increases when you worked at AIDC? A. I don't know if I did or not. Comment on Point 1: She really seems to feign ignorance to
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/99 9:37:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ahhh...but he hasn't admitted that..you see they didn't have sexual relations...he wasn't having any with her, she was having relations with him. I have to agree with him. He wasn't having sexual relations and neither was she. There was a sex act. I'm sorry, but sexual relations, it's not. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted to lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? It doesn't matter WHAT he lied about, what matters is that he gave perjured testimony to the Paula Jones grand jury...if their case was so 'in the bag' as the author claims the timetable put it, then why did Klinton have to lie to them? He could have just 'taken the Fifth' when asked about Lewinsky, and trusted to his lawyers dropping the 'timetable bombshell' in the event the Paula Jones case went to trial... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Linda Minor wrote: The point so many people seem to be missing No, most of us aren't 'missing' it, we recognize that it's not relevant. is that this whole scandal started with a lawsuit brought by a woman whose credibility is severely in question, at a time when the law was not even clear whether a civil lawsuit could be brought against a sitting president. So, you damn your own case. IF there was this supposed 'timetable bombshell' which would absolutely 'prove' Paula Jones' credibility was questionable, then why did Klinton lie to the grand jury? Why not just take the Fifth and trust to 'the bombshell' proving how incredible Jones' was? Clearly, lawyers--including friends and associates of Kenneth Starr--approached Ms. Jones with offers to take her case and somehow come up with money for her living expenses in order to argue the position that a president can be sued during his term. Even if true, totally irrelevant. Suppose for a moment that she lied about what happened. Suppose also that the lawyers were acting on behalf of politically motivated individuals who hate Clinton for political reasons only--because his policies hurt their pocketbooks, for example. Suppose these same people knew Monica's proclivities and Bill's weakness and set up a scenario for him to fall into, while at the same time pushing the Jones case through the court so that depositions could be taken. Then they monitored Monica's reports through agents Tripp and Goldberg, making sure any available evidence (like the dress) is preserved. Suppose, suppose, suppose...all your suppositions are totally irrelevant. Suppose this...suppose we had an HONEST man in the office of the presidency who didn't need a staff devoted to 'bimbo control' (where there's smoke, there's fire)...suppose we had a man in office who RESPECTED that office, and didn't use the taxpayers' funded House for sexcapades with his employees...suppose we had a President who knew, understood, and HONORED the Constitution and the rule of law, and would never dream of committing perjury, and obstructing justice... No, I guess you Klintonistas CAN'T, can you? June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
