Re: Be a BASTARD

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

 >>> The 2nd Annual BASTARD (Berkeley Anarchist Students of Theory And 
Research > & Development) Anarchist conference will be Sunday March 31st, 
2002, the > day after the San Francisco Anarchist Bookfair. Jeezuz. Can't 
even build a decent acronym, eh? Hint: "and", "the", and "of" don't 
freakin' count, you twit... - Dr. Strangelove --- "What, me worry?" -- 
Alfred E. Neuman

Actually as a jack Nicholson fan I'm opposed to misuse of that word even if 
it seems to becoming a term of endearment in some circles,( like 
"nigger'.)Also by posting material here I dont endorse every word or the 
way some articles are worded or even if they are from 'me'.No one likes a 
pedantic prick so take your twittery nyms and go fuck yourself,CHICKEN.




Zero

2002-03-22 Thread James Choate

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/21/17952/7662




May's weak as piss political views.

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

 >>(Despite my very strong political views,<<

That I wont debate as I am an over the hill,paunchy wanker.

  >>I dislike the focus of the CP list on "legalpunks" crusades.Ditto for 
the focus of physical meetings, of other organizations, etc.<<

I guess I'm a closet marxist,its all going to fall in our lap.

  The war will be won with technology, not lawyers.) <<

Hunker in your bunker.




Re: Books, Ideas, the List, and Getting Back to Basics

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

 >>Who does? Only fascist regulators who can't get off unless they're 
grinding a boot-heel by proxy into the proles. They have to keep regulating 
and legislating in order to self-justify their values, no matter how 
fucked-up those values might be. To do otherwise might hurt their future 
employability.<<

Your allowed to sneak up on facists and shoot them in the back,strip them 
and run and hide,see,the french resistance.
Even wopersons can do it,look up the 'white mouse',nancy wake.Luckily today 
we can pay someone else to do the hard yards for us.If you were on this 
list in 96 you'd know that.Stop kissing Tims butt and read some archive's.

"Using encryption and digital cash the whole exercise would be within the 
law because the person who made the successful "prediction" would be 
anonymous and their reward would be untrackable, Mr Bell wrote."




Sydney t-shirt magnate does deals with the enemy....

2002-03-22 Thread James Choate

http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=11835&group=we
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Afghanistan : Yankee go home!

2002-03-22 Thread James Choate

http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=11827&group=we
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I think you all need to read this

2002-03-22 Thread James Choate


  It appears that the notion of level of grammaticalness is to be 
regarded as the traditional practice of grammarians. For any 
transformation which is sufficiently diversified in application 
to be of any interest, the earlier discussion of deviance is not 
quite equivalent to an important distinction in language use. 
Analogously, the fundamental error of regarding functional 
notions as categorial is rather different from the system of 
base rules exclusive of the lexicon. Thus this analysis of a 
formative as a pair of sets of features raises serious doubts 
about the levels of acceptability from fairly high (eg (99a)) to 
virtual gibberish (eg (98d)). Comparing these examples with 
their parasitic gap counterparts in (96) and (97), we see that 
the speaker-hearer's linguistic intuition appears to correlate 
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2002-03-22 Thread James Choate


  
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2002-03-22 Thread James Choate


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Re: distributed filtering with server-side NoCeM's

2002-03-22 Thread Adam Back

On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 04:38:57PM -0500, Matt Curtin wrote:
> Adam Back <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Anyone explored NoCeM's?
> 
> Maybe the thing to do would be to have an NNRP Cypherpunk node that
> understands NoCeM messages.
> 
> I believe that `cleanfeed' is the software Adam cites to handle NoCeM
> messages on the news spool.

I suppose the advantage of using NoCeM's and onspool NoCeM processing
over a moderated list is that it allows multiple moderators.  The
moderators task is then to choose NoCeM issuers from the pool of
people issuing them.

An parallel group with no onspool processing might also be nice for
people who have NNTP news clients able to process the NoCeM's locally.

Then people have the choice.  Would be kind of nice.  As another
poster noted you can use NNTP off-line ok with some clients.

But anway the [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to be working out
OK so far.

btw. I sent an email inviting people from the now dead coderpunks list
(list server is out of action) to join [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(or [EMAIL PROTECTED] at their choice).

Adam



cp-moderated archive

2002-03-22 Thread Adam Back

I filled in the (semi?-)automated online archive for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at:

http://www.mail-archive.com

I presume in due course it will start archiving at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/

It seems to be already archiving (separately and multiply) each of the
other cypherpunks nodes, plus cryptography and a number of other
lists.

Adam




design considerations for distributed storage networks

2002-03-22 Thread Adam Back

Here's something I wrote up the other night with my thoughts about the
differences between peer-to-peer networks vs the more ambitious
storage surface type propsals and the design criteria which one might
entertain designing against.

http://www.cypherspace.org/p2p/

Suggestions for more criteria welcome.  

How do the current raft of systems like bittorrent, mnet/mojonation,
freenet, and the others presented at codecon rack up against criteria
such as these?  Plus how do the non privacy and censor-resistant
focussed, but censor resistant to some extent just by sheer volume and
popularity like gnutella, morpheus/kazza/fasttrack, edonkey, imesh
compare.

btw I've noticed while looking around at storage-surface web pages
recently while writing the above that it would seem that some are
showing signs of gearing up for commercial backing.
eg. http://www.intermemory.org -- I'm pretty sure that used to look
more research oriented and it's now looking quite corporate.  Also the
interest from commercial vendors like micrsoft who has their own
farsite project: http://www.research.microsoft.com/sn/Farsite/

Adam




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Revitalizing the list

2002-03-22 Thread James Choate

exclusive



Internal debate as a necessary and healthy means of
revitalizing our party

Outsiders naturally regarding our leaders as fugitives

The assassination of Abu Ali Mustafa inspiring further
resistance

Our people's intifada providing the only viable hope
to end occupation

SUMMARY

Comrade Ahmad Saadat ("Abu Ghassan"), General
Secretary of the Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, confirmed that intellectual, political, and
organizational debate gives life and liveliness to our
party and to any party that seeks to renovate itself
in light of contemporary developments. Saadat told
"al-Hadaf" that among the armed patriotic Palestinian
groups, the Popular Front is the most courageous in
addressing its situation, problems, and
contradictions.

"Abu Ghassan" emphasized that it is a natural
condition for the General Secretary of the Popular
Front to be a fugitive, sought by the forces of
occupation. He went on to explain that the criminal
assassination of Abu Ali Mustafa, a heroic leader who
embodies our struggle, has inspired our comrades,
friends, and all Palestinian patriots to return with
heightened vigor and take active roles in our
struggle.

Regarding the unification of the patriotic democratic
currents, Abu Ghassan called for political and social
programs to augment the quest for a unified
ideological stance. He said that whoever views the
intifada as a means of deliverance for our people must
start with an introspective struggle within himself,
reflect upon the Palestinian Authority's options in
the direction of the popular program, and then direct
all of his or her power and determination against the
occupation. He added that an official declaration of
support by the Palestinian Authority for the intifada
is necessary to encourage the same by Arab
governments. Otherwise, he indicated, many regimes
will continue to rationalize their neglect and avert
their duty to the promote the intifada, the
implications of which are regional or even global in
scale.

The General Secretary noted that the first requirement
for attaining popular participation in the decision
making process must begin with rebuilding the
Palestine Liberation Organization and electing
representatives of the armed organizations and the
institutions to the Palestine National Council
directly from the people.

He elaborated that a policy must be built on the basis
of principles rather than on political illusions and
compromises that provoke self-defeat by undermining
our collective strength and the viability of our
self-defense.

FULL TEXT OF THE INTERVIEW

AL-HADAF: Some observers say that you were elected as
part of a compromise and without real elections. They
are referring to a lack of democracy in the inner
party life of the left-wing Palestinian groups. What
is your comment on this?

SAADAT: If there was a compromise, that would not
bother us at all, if it contained a possible formula
for the internal unity of the Party. Compromise, as
is legitimate, necessary, and appropriate in external
political relations, is also legitimate within the
framework of relations of parties and political
forces.

Compromise also does not invalidate the rules that
govern the work of the leading institutions of the
Popular Front and neither does it harm the democratic
process. Any formulation, whoever proposes it, will
in the final analysis be submitted to the Central
Committee for ratification.

Despite all that, there is no basis for concern
regarding this legitimate question, because the
election process for the position of the General
Secretary and the Deputy General Secretary took place
in accordance with the Party statues for elections
that are followed by the Popular Front and that
constitute one of the fundaments of its internal
political system. If there were complete agreement,
why would we have competing candidates for the post of
General Secretary? Why would ballots have been
distributed, then taken up and counted? If there had
been agreement, it would have been possible simply to
vote by acclamation in less than an hour without any
need for administrative arrangements to bring together
circles of the Central Committee at the same time,
spending a whole day just to carry out an election.
>From another standpoint, the notion of compromise
implies the existence of full-blown factions with
their own positions and members. These do not exist
in the Popular Front. Yes, there are different
viewpoints on this or that issue, and there are
struggles between the different opinions, but there
are absolutely no groups that express their own
opinions as factions inside the bodies of the Front or
outside them.

THE UNITY OF THE POPULAR FRONT

AL-HADAF: A lot has been said about the existence of
different trends within the Front, one moderate and
the other extremist. How do you respond to that? Is
the Front free from internal differences or different
orientations? What are the mechanisms for internal
dialogue within the Popular Front on th

RE: I'm no "agent."

2002-03-22 Thread Aimee Farr

I meant to say "a" stale.

But wait, that's not all

Tim wrote:
> Don't hire a single lawyer. As soon as even a single lawyer is hired,
> you're lost. Because it means you're thinking in terms of using the
> legal system, of striking business deals with those whose products you
> napster, and with working within the system.
>
> Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ with a lawyer, means
> you are fully aware of how much you are relying on the laws of
> mathematics rather than the laws of men.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader

What happens if you break the laws of mathematics? Do fractions with guns
chase you? Do you get put in a random number prison? Or, does couching a
choice of law between the "laws of men," and "the laws of mathematics" smack
of some fallacy?

Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ (emphasis his) a lawyer,
more truly means you are a complete moron and disdain even calculated risk.
If you break the law by a significant act in that direction, you set your
own hook for co-option, especially in espionage.

I don't see a marketplace opportunity in an espionage Black Net. In
high-tempo complex event streams with changing decision-makers, shifting
goal-setting, interveners, variable resources, etc. -- the advantage to be
gained by competitors (of any sort) more truly lies elsewhere. Mere secrets
no longer offer the edge, because they offer a short half-life of
decision-relevance. Now, 3 days to 3 months, and it grows shorter. Few
competitors have decision-utility in terms of capability and readiness to
take advantage of "secrets." Most of the information you need is open
source, or can be gained by acumen with low-risk. Add in the traitor element
and the "go to jail" consideration, and it looks like a no-go to me.
(Espionage is more traditionally called treason, BTW. It's even in the
Constitution.)

But, hey, a man should feel free to make his own decisions, just like Tim
tells him to.

~Aimee


---
> Tim, lay off the maskirovka will ya?
>
> I'm tired of the snitch-jacket, and it's an stale narrative.
>
> Besides, imaginative bias and perceptual predispositions can be
> used to lead
> a person, or a group, to form erroneous conclusions without resorting to
> dezinformatsia.




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RE: Resources discussing secure time (nonce) in a distributed environment.

2002-03-22 Thread Phillip H. Zakas


>Kevin A. Burton writes:
>Does anyone have any references they would recommend which talk about
the
>problems of time in a secure and distributed environment?

Try datum.com...they offered a sponsor pitch at intl financial
cryptography in Bermuda two weeks ago. Unlike most of the academic (and
irrelevant) debate I've seen on this issue lately, their products seem
to work pretty well given real world needs/constraints today.
Phillip







Re: Jim Darling

2002-03-22 Thread Syniker

In a message dated 3/17/02 11:35:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jill jill)

huh??? NO == I would call it 'Jim Darlings List' .
god what a brain...syniker




Re: Fw: see my ex-wifes pictures Time:5:01:23 AM

2002-03-22 Thread Syniker

comon david get with the reality




Re: design considerations for distributed storage networks

2002-03-22 Thread Julian Assange

> Sharing copyrighted material in order to get the same is the only working
> example that I can see. If someone can point to reason why large number of
> people would give a fuck about fighting censorship, enhancing privacy and
> anonymity, I'd like to be enlightened. With working real-world examples.
> Unemployed cypherpunks do not count.

It is not necessary for the entire population to adopt a technology; merely
a user-base of sufficient size to forfill the technical & social requirements
of the project leaders. Visions of world domination are for
propaganda, not for actualisation. The 95% of the population which
comprise the flock have never been my target, and neither should
they be yours; it's the 2.5% percent at either end of the normal that
I find in my sights, one to be cherished and the other to be destroyed.

--
 Julian Assange|If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
   |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
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Re: design considerations for distributed storage networks

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 03:43 PM 3/22/02 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>On Friday, March 22, 2002, at 01:55  PM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>
>>> Suggestions for more criteria welcome.
>>
>> Motivation.
>>
>> I cannot find a non-computer paradigm that relates to sharing
in-house
>> private
>> resources with unknown others. This maybe the the principal
conceptual
>> obstacle. Outside irrelevantly low-numbered activist circles, masses
>> just do
>> not want to share without very obvious and immediate gratification.

Why do folks rip CDs they have licensed?  Because they want to access
them at work.
Or to share them with friends.  As a side effect, you have these MP3s
which you can
trivially share with the world.

If you estimate your risk at being caught as approaching nil, and the
effort
required to share also approaches nil, it happens.

>I gave Phil the example of someone soliciting something like "Optimum
>implant doses for CMOS process sought. Will pay $500."

Optimum doses are around 125 micrograms.  Costs much less than $500.

>To make the point graphically to Phil, I devised "Black Net" as the
>place where epi implant information is bought and sold, where someone
>offers $100K for the Stealth bomber blueprints, where all sorts of
>secrets are solicited and offered.

Left under a bridge in a park in D.C...


>Any person, any organization, any company which gets into the
napstering
>business will face the guns of the lawyers, the Feds, international
>bodies (when it suits them), and so on. Whether that company is Mojo or

>BitTorrent or whatever, the criminal and civil suits will be aimed at
>whomever can be identified as a nexus.
>* Forego ego and develop and release a product _untraceably).

Many in, or formerly in, the software biz have realized that:

1. Microsoft can buy you out (at least you make some one-time money), or
duplicate you

2. Open source folks can duplicate you *for free*

and now you add,

3. Lawyers/congresscum will harass you.

Alas, poor programmers...


>But find other ways to make money or stroke your ego. The familiar saw
>about two people being able to keep a secret...if one of them is dead.

And "real friends help you move bodies"...

Cheers, (and we agree with you, if its not obvious)




RE: I'm no "agent." Sez the cretin agent.

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 08:33 PM 3/22/02 -0600, Aimee Farr wrote:
>Tim wrote:
>> Don't hire a single lawyer. As soon as even a single lawyer is hired,

>> you're lost. Because it means you're thinking in terms of using the
>> legal system, of striking business deals with those whose products
you
>> napster, and with working within the system.
>>
>> Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ with a lawyer,
means
>> you are fully aware of how much you are relying on the laws of
>> mathematics rather than the laws of men.
>
>"I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader

"Read the source, Luke"

>What happens if you break the laws of mathematics?

Jah gets *really* pissed.

>Or, does couching a
>choice of law between the "laws of men," and "the laws of mathematics"
smack
>of some fallacy?

Been fellating a lot of legislative numerical illiterates recently, have
we Aimee?

>Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ (emphasis his) a
lawyer,
>more truly means you are a complete moron and disdain even calculated
risk.

No, it means you're observant and have discounted the lawhores.

>If you break the law by a significant act in that direction, you set
your
>own hook for co-option, especially in espionage.

What if you do no wrong, but the RIAA/MPAA brings heavy artillery
upon you?

Naah, can't happen here, Suzy Creamcheese.

>Most of the information you need is open
>source,

Dream on

>or can be gained by acumen with low-risk. Add in the traitor element
>and the "go to jail" consideration, and it looks like a no-go to me.

We have some questions about the optimal voltage/flow rate used when
electro-spraying
CO2 & nutrient deprived anthrax cultures...




time-delayed release of information

2002-03-22 Thread Julian Assange

> Specifically how do you keep others from cheating and saying that an event
> happened in the past when it actually happened in the present?

You need a trusted time-notary who will sign or publish hashes of the event
in a manner which is hard to undo (e.g in a major news-paper). This is a
known art.

A related but harder problem is time-delayed release of information.

If you can predict the future cost/CPU speed then you can create
a problem which can't be solved with current technology at a reasonable price.
The future isn't predictable enough to do this over the longer term.

If you have a large enough transmitter/receiver, you can transmit
they key to distant astral bodies and wait for the reflection.
However if this became routine, spy sats might intercept the transmissions.

You can launch a pair of notary space probes and have them bounce
an encrypted key stream between them with lasers for a specified
period of time (using space as a storage device) before sending
decrypts back. If the sats were moving away from earth at significant
speed due to VEEGA like alignment windows, it might be a long time before
these sats could ever be destroyed.

--
 Julian Assange|If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
   |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery



They like to come on fridays

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

As jim bell twigged and as my dell was taken on one,from now on I'll draw 
the blinds and not answer the door on fridays...
Post made yesterday (as comment)at melb Indymedia.
Subject: Soviet style psychiatry.A court case for human rights?
Dr lector or Sigmund Fraud?
Dr perera has been sacked by me,I refuse to see him untill my formal 
complaint against him is
heard.I am not evading or discontinuing treatment as I indicated to Dr 
perera's superiors.
I will see any other Dr(s) and continue medication as prescribed.I have a 
good supply of olanzapine.
All this hasn't stopped Dr P seeking to have me taken to Bendigo.This was 
sprung
on me today without notice.I told the case workers that I would not go 
quietly unless I was
given a reason for this.They could not provide one and indicated they were 
just obeying orders.
They've gone for now when I told them I would resist unless I was given a 
reason."Dr P says I'm ill" is not a reason.
Apart from anything else,I dont believe I'd get a good hearing in Bendigo 
on a friday evening.(They came for me around
4.30 pm.)First thing monday I shall be seeking legal advice on how to sue 
Dr Perera and his employers,the Vic,health commission.END
Just noticed a related story at 
Jorlins...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A158-2002Mar21.html
Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 22, 2002; Page A01
The Bush administration yesterday proposed changing some of the federal 
rules designed to protect the confidentiality of Americans' medical 
records, including the ability of patients to decide in advance who should 
be able to use their personal health information.MORE...




Global Crossing = Western Union = Collaborators

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Ex-SecDef Cohen is a member of the board of Global Crossing.

A Global Crossing exec is a member of Bush's National Security
Telecom thang.

This was reported on a State-Licensed "news" channel.

But the implications weren't: you don't need Echelon if you have
tentacles into the fibernet... even if it pulls a chapter 11..

Collaborators need collaborator treatment...

---
(Bamford fans will get the Western Union ref...)




Re: time-delayed release of information

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 04:23 PM 3/23/02 +1100, Julian Assange wrote:
>If the sats were moving away from earth at significant
>speed due to VEEGA like alignment windows, it might be a long time
before
>these sats could ever be destroyed.

High power laser beams are hard to outrun.




The voyage of the Mongo

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

Sorry...MOBRO...my mistake,in 1987 - The Mobro 4,000, piled with 3,168 tons
of New York
garbage, begins a 162-day, 6,000-mile search for a port
willing to take its' load. As the boat barged it's way into
the media spotlight -- a surreal symbol of man's inability
to clean up his own mess -- it's rebuffed by 6 states & 3
countries before New York City agrees to burn the trash.
http://www.astc.org/exhibitions/rotten/rtintro.htm
http://www.garbage.org/events.htm
ALSO in the bleed...1989 - US: The Exxon Valdez destroys thousands of square
miles of pristine wildlife habitat in the largest oil spill in US
history. Exxon Corp. spends the next several years avoiding
lawsuits, creating new PR spins, & obstructing cleanup
efforts.
1990 -- England: Death of Geoffrey Ostergaard, gentle
anarchist/pacifist. Wrote on workers' control, & also
similarities of Sarvodaya in India & anarchism.
'In [the ideal state] every one is his own ruler. He
rules himself in such a manner that he is never a
hindrance to his neighbor. In [such a state],
therefore, there is no political power because there
is no State.'
 Gandhi
http://www.stanford.edu/~piber/nonviolence/ideology/anarchism.html




Who is that cryptocode for, anyway?

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Sarah Brady conducts an illegal straw-man firearm purchase for her son:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/news/politics/2909641.htm




Re: Jim Darling

2002-03-22 Thread Syniker

In a message dated 3/22/02 8:49:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> god what a brain...

 thank you




Google re-links anti Scientologist info

2002-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020322/wr_nm/tech_google_dc

Google Restores Web Page Critical ofScientology
   Fri Mar 22, 3:10 PM ET

   By Elinor Mills Abreu

   SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Google (news - external web site)
   Inc. restored a Web site critical of the Church of Scientology on its

   Internet search engine on Thursday while free speech advocates
   slammed the company for removing the site in the first place.

Google said the company had only removed certain pages from the
   site because of a copyright dispute.

   "Certain pages of the Xenu.net Web site were removed from our
   search engine earlier this week in response to a copyright
infringement
   notification under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (news - web
   sites) (DMCA)," Google spokesman David Krane said in an e-mail.

   The home page for Xenu.net was "inadvertently removed" along with a
   long, two-page list of associated Web pages on Wednesday but was
   put back on Thursday, said Google spokeswoman Cindy McCaffrey.
   Neither she nor Krane were available for further comment.

   On Thursday evening, the Web site was listed fourth under Google
   search results for "Scientology" and 8th under "Church of
Scientology."

   A lawyer representing the Church of Scientology accused Xenu.net of
   "wholesale, verbatim copyright infringement" by allegedly reprinting
   large amounts of material on the site.

   "We don't abuse this act," the lawyer, Helena Kobrin of the Los
   Angeles firm of Moxin & Kobrin said of the DMCA. "We go very
   strictly by what the copyright laws are."

   Copyright law allows people to use pieces of copyrighted material for

   personal, education and other purposes under a so-called "fair use"
   provision. However, Kobrin said the Web site used more than was
   allowed under fair use.

   "We will do whatever we can to protect these copyrights," she said.
   "The real story here is my clients are constantly the targets of some

   really horrendous stuff on the Internet."

   The Church of Scientology, whose members include actors Tom
   Cruise and John Travolta, has mounted challenges to Web sites and
   organizations that are critical of it in the past.

   STIFLING CRITICISM

   Robin Gross, staff attorney for the San Francisco-based Electronic
   Frontier Foundation, said the Church of Scientology was trying to use

   copyright law to stifle criticism.

   "A lot of the cases using copyright to quell critics are Church of
   Scientology cases," she said.

   The DMCA protects companies that host or link to Web sites from
   being held liable if they notify allegedly offending Web sites that
there is
   a complaint about them and give them a chance to respond, Gross
   said.

   Google had to remove Xenu.net immediately, as the company claimed
   in a letter to Andreas Heldal-Lund, the Norwegian Web master of the
   site, but could have replaced it after getting a counter-notice from
   Heldal-Lund, attorney Gross said.

   "Had we not removed these URLs (uniform resource locators, or
   network address of Web pages), we would be subject to a claim for
   copyright infringement, regardless of its merit," Google said in its
letter.

   Don Marti, an activist who protested the arrest of a Russian
   programmer under the DMCA last year, said he and other activists met
   with Google on Thursday to discuss the situation.

   "Google invited us right in," said Marti, whose ad hoc group is
called
   "Mountain View, California, Xenu Independent Study Group."

   Google had the Web site back up before the group arrived at its
   Mountain View offices on Thursday afternoon, he said.

   "We're discussing Google's DMCA policy and trying to keep this from
   happening again," Marti said. "Google should be a fair and accurate
   representation of what's on the Internet."




Re: CDR: Re: time-delayed release of information

2002-03-22 Thread measl


On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> High power laser beams are hard to outrun.

As opposed to low power laser beams?

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...






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Tim may,an Ox for the people to ride.

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

I might have been mistaken about Tim being CIA,actually with a ring through 
his nose,( like the lack of idealogical support he's been getting 
lately),he's becoming quite tractable."An ox for the people to ride."
It must be frustrating seeing Jim Bell run off with your "Extremely dark 
markets,"idea and now the P to P's want his precious Blacknet.Quelle 
Horreur! Worse,far worse than Beta losing to VHS! 1984 is really coming 
true when the fucking MOSEs of crypto-anarchy is being 'disappeared'.Dont 
worry about an ex-cia agents usenet posts,what if something should happen 
to the cyphernomicon for gawds sake! Tims quick on his feet for a punchy 
old tomato can,he just landed one on agent Farr.
Keep it up chump,sorry,keep it up CHAMP.
EXTRACT
 >>The interesting projects are the ones dangerous to the state, dangerous 
to the corporations, dangerous to the establishment. (This is not "Mattd" 
rhetoric about smashing the state...this is just the basic fact about these 
technologies.)<<
Mongo also makes the point that these,'interesting projects' are more 
likely to come from individuals and his old saw about how "technology" 
itself will result in manna from heaven.If both these propositions are true 
that still leaves most of us punks
with little to do.There's some evidence for that from some of the shit I've 
had to put up with lately from some underemployed trolls on this list.I 
will keep seeking to advance real crypto-anarchy,it would help if all of 
you dont mention my name.Dont tread on me.These "technologies" are also 
dangerous to wealthy individuals.Thank you.  




Re: design considerations for distributed storage networks

2002-03-22 Thread keyser-soze

>On Friday, March 22, 2002, at 01:55  PM, Morlock Elloi wrote:

>Sharing copyrighted material in order to get the same is the only working
example that I can see. If someone can point to reason why large number of
people would give a fuck about fighting censorship, enhancing privacy and
anonymity, I'd like to be enlightened. With working real-world examples.
Unemployed cypherpunks do not count.

It doesn't require a large number of people, only a small number who are willing to 
spend their lives to expunge those who would deny the rest their rights to speech and 
privacy.  One has only to look at the middle east to see what a small number of 
zealots with C4 can do.

Fear of imprisonment and/or loss of friends, family and financial stability are the 
main weapons of the state.  Many may be capable but few are willing to engage in some 
creative political destuction.  There are very few like Timmy, but there could be more 
if the terminably ill were offered a sufficient incentive.  Maybe what's needed is an 
American Patriot family relief fund.  A group which supports families of those who 
gave their all "fighting the powers that be."  

If had less than 6 months to live I would, without a doubt, take one or more tyrants 
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"Where are my turnips?"

2002-03-22 Thread dmolnar



I recently read _TAZ_ for the first time. It was on the shelf at St.
Mark's Bookshop here in NYC in the "Anarchism" section, I hadn't read it,
and I knew of it only from the Wagner/Goldberg paper.

Everyone go read it now!!

There are many other things in the "Anarchism" section of the St. Mark's
Bookshop in NYC, by the way. Should any list readers stop by the city,
check it out. The people browsing the section are more fun than the
section itself.

I knew about anarchism before I really knew about cryptography. Peter
Marshall's _A History of Anarchism_ was a present from parents who were
worried that the "anarchy club" at the local junior high might present the
wrong idea. (They figured drawing the libertine circled A was enough).
Later on Emma Goldman's essays proved valuable; those are reprinted and
available at the same bookshop. Both of these are no nonsense, no
bullshit, practical overviews of what anarchism is about...no hermenutics
necessary.

Digression aside, Hakim Bey asks in _TAZ_ the question "where are my
turnips?" By this he means "when are computers going to deliver on the
revolutionary promise?" When will we be able to use computer networks to
exchange goods that people *actually care about* ? When will I be able to
trade something I have (knowledge about esoteric aspects of relativised
cryptography, say) for some concrete strange *physical* goods I want
(Cuban hallucenogenic fruits, controlled substances, organic turnips)?
(See, the information-only goods don't count. they're not REAL ENOUGH.
Besides, what kind of revolution is it when the only benefit is free
Britney Spears songs?)

He's asking this in _1989_. WHERE ARE THE TURNIPS IN 2002?

Recently we saw this question echoed by Morlock Elloi -- are there
compelling reasons to ask for privacy and anonymity, besides the fact that
a bunch of (unemployed) cypherpunks are True Believers? A more pointed way
to put it would be "have the technologies we've argued about for the past
ten years *actually* changed **anyone's** lives?"

Well Tim's already partially answered this in the word "Napster!" Some 19
year old went and changed the world, created something even nontech
friends of mine not only *could* use, but *did* use. **all the time**.
Never mind that Eric Hughes had a design for something similar with his
Universal Piracy Network; this guy actually did it and the world is
fucking CHANGED because of it.

We can point to anon remailers as well; if it gets the Church of
Scientology gets hot and bothered and causes them to ruin the lives of
random people and Cypherpunk tech can stop that, well ain't that a good
thing in the end? isn't that what we're after? concrete technologies to
"make the world safe for privacy" or realize that "spectre of
crypto-anarchy" depending on your temperament?

Now we have a vision from Adam Back, the vision of a privacy
protecting independent media enhancing "storage surface" which will allow
niche REAL REPORTING to survive in a censorship resistant fashion. I think
it's a **beautiful** vision. the problem is, wasn't this what the web was
supposed to do, at least in free countries where censorship is less of an
issue? wasn't self-publishing supposed to enable a wave of voices,
bringing about the radical decentralization of self and viewpoint
prophesied in the 1960s? (a decade I know little about beyond the accounts
of _Psychoanalytic Politics_ and the aforementioned Peter Marshall book
_Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism_). Weren't we all
supposed to tune to the EZLN site with the same attention and credulity as
we gave to cnn.com? How will
freenet+++

be any different?

What I get from Hakim Bey in TAZ at this point is a skepticism about the
idea of computers as enabling the Temporary Autonomous Zone. In their
place, he has the usual bullshit about how it's all about "becoming" and
all about presence, spontaneity, self-defintion, and so on.

 (echoes of this essay by Benjamin about "The Work of Art in the Age of
Mechanical Reproduction," which tries to save the notion of art by
invoking a mystical "presence" of the work which is supposed to save the
"original"  work from becoming indistinguishable from its copies. today
the copies are perfect. I am listening to Britney on CD now; I listen to
Britney on mp3 over Napster tomorrow; I listen to Britney on Ogg via
Gnutella the day after and they all sound the same -- where is the
presence here especially since the "original" studio tape is kept locked
Platonic ideal style up away from where I'll ever get a chance to see it!)

So what is missing from the computer networks of today that gets in the
way of this real social change that people have been proclaiming forever?
or did the amazing change happen and I just missed it? Is there something
about our current networks that actively HINDERS the TAZ?

hell, is the temporary autonomous zone still what "cypherpunks is a

RE: I'm no "agent."

2002-03-22 Thread Morlock Elloi

> choice of law between the "laws of men," and "the laws of mathematics" smack
> of some fallacy?
> 
> Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ (emphasis his) a lawyer,
> more truly means you are a complete moron and disdain even calculated risk.

It should be considered that Mr. May perhaps meant to say that one does not
turn to bacteria for help in fighting infection. One uses antibiotics.

I can understand that from the fungal point of view the purpose of the world is
to be sucked dry by the fungus. Advanced fungi, however, should be able to
comprehend that this opinion is not shared by the victims. "Suckees" is
probably the legal term.

Once I saw a sticker (from shmoo, I think) that said:

"If you are a part of solution, you are a part of the problem".

Does this help ?



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Bitch's leave.

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

 >>...smack
of some fallacy?

Spanking and fellatio,I'm up for it.

 >>Not hiring a single lawyer, not even _consulting_ (emphasis his) a lawyer,
more truly means you are a complete moron <<

Your spelling sucks,its MONGO,a complete MONGO.Get it?,got it?...good.

 >>and disdain even calculated risk.<<

Farred heart never one fair lady?

 >>If you break the law by a significant act in that direction, you set your
own hook for co-option, especially in espionage.<<

When crypto is outlawed only outlaws will have $#%^86232@@@!9***

 >>I don't see a marketplace opportunity in an espionage Black Net. In
high-tempo complex event streams with changing decision-makers, shifting
goal-setting, interveners, variable resources, etc. -- the advantage to be
gained by competitors (of any sort) more truly lies elsewhere. Mere secrets
no longer offer the edge, because they offer a short half-life of
decision-relevance. Now, 3 days to 3 months, and it grows shorter. Few
competitors have decision-utility in terms of capability and readiness to
take advantage of "secrets.<<

She may have a point here,didnt vlad Putin say recently thats its harder to 
keep secrets these days?Thank goodness for the web.

 >>" Most of the information you need is open
source, or can be gained by acumen with low-risk.<<

What,you dont want to buy anything? getthefuckoutofhere! There are no 
commies here.

  >>Add in the traitor element
and the "go to jail" consideration, and it looks like a no-go to me.
(Espionage is more traditionally called treason, BTW. It's even in the
Constitution.)<<

Treason is the daily background hum of the internet,darlin',"national 
borders are road humps,etc"You keep talking like we are all septic tanks.I 
also have a soft spot for treason,it was the name of a collective I 
belonged to about 20 years ago,we produced a samizdat for a few years.I'll 
send one c/o crawford PO if you like.The Zimbabwe opposition leaders just 
been charged with treason so its not a bad thing is it.Some good things are 
illegal and the nuremburg trials showed that sometimes "treason' is 
justified.If strong crypto is used,what the US govt doesnt know wont hurt 
them,and if it does hurt them it might be a desirable outcome and if 
innocents get hurt then thats bad but in war and in life bad things happen 
to good people.Look at the ferry of heavy water that was sunk in 
Norway,innocents died to slow down german A-bomb creation.
Each case would have to be judged on its merits.For my side,being a traitor 
to an illegal rogue terror state is good thing and is to be encouraged.

 >>But, hey, a man should feel free to make his own decisions, just like Tim
tells him to.
~Aimee<<
Any man or woman,(your a man aren't you,agent Farr?) is unlikely to be 
persuaded either way by a peanut like Mongo,but if they are,good luck to 
them.Strong crypto takes care of everything.




RSA in deep shtuck,dump rsa stock,DUMP RSA!

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=rsas&script=1901

If the SEC doesnt get them human rights violations in co-partner China will.




Patent nonsense getting out of hand

2002-03-22 Thread matthew X

1st Google and now this...http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24421.html
What a shitty week for free speech and encryption.Two dropkicks even tried 
to rope profesor rat!
My heart goes out to proff cyborg in canada,proffs have feelings too.See
http://www.theregus.com/content/28/24417.html
If only an anal probe was all they wanted.I'm loath to contact MAZ or the 
facist Canuck Govt directly after the pacifier letters that might have 
gotten me kicked off one ISP so I'll ask one of you underempolyed punks to 
remind MAZ about APster,please? TIA.The ISP case looks like a winner for me 
as the ISP concerned has not been in touch.They will have to reinstate me 
if they have no evidence against me.I'll notify you all next time I change 
adress,hate to imagine you getting the idea I was pissing in your hot 
tub.So write to
Corporate Office
MAZ Technologies, Inc.
2030 Main Street, Suite 1300
Irvine, CA 92614
309.210.7551 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tell them the justice posse's coming.