Skeletons at the gates
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Ed Norton wrote: I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported out there West of the Hudson... Apparently, a large traffic-stopping protest here in NYC was performed using a method I hadn't heard of before. Basically, the demonstrators handcuffed themselves together, but inside large PVC tubing in which their arms were encased. So in order to clear out the demonstrators, cops pretty much have to cart off a tied-together mass of 100 demonstrators, without any real hope of breaking them apart in any short amount of time. Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever ...should simply be left that way. Their screams for water, for release, and then eventually their dying moans, could be broadcast on the Internet. Maybe even a video feed of one of the perps trying to gnaw his own hand off. I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. The skeletons, after a year or two, might send a signal to others. (Of course, none of this will happen. If nothing else, lawsuits would be filed demanding that money be spent to cut their PVC pipes or chains or whatever. A litigious society makes their asymmetric warfare possible.) --Tim May Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout --Unknown Usenet Poster
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
At 06:09 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48331-2003Mar29.html If all the Iraqi farmers/civilians have half this guy's stash... It's probably safer to invade Iraq than, say, Switzerland, because the Iraqi government probably didn't trust all its ethnic minorities with weapons, or at least not enough to buy them for everyone. (And by the way, the pro-invasion side bashes the French for surrendering to the Germans, largely because they don't support the invasion, but they're not bashing the Swiss for not joining the COWboys, and they _are_ bashing the Iraqi civilians for acting Swiss, not French.) That was one of the absurd things in the US-Somali war, where US military forces claimed they were going to disarm the Somalis. While many of the Somalis they were attacking had moved into cities, it's still a culture that have traditionally been nomadic cattle-herders, and telling them to give up their weapons was rather stupider than going to an NRA rally in Texas ranch country and telling _them_ that. It's not like the Somalis had gone armadillo since the Siad-Barre dictatorship; they'd just gradually adopted AK47s along with the traditional spears.
iraqi gun ownership (was Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
At 0:55 -0800 2003/03/30, Bill Stewart wrote: At 06:09 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48331-2003Mar29.html If all the Iraqi farmers/civilians have half this guy's stash... It's probably safer to invade Iraq than, say, Switzerland, because the Iraqi government probably didn't trust all its ethnic minorities with weapons, or at least not enough to buy them for everyone. Bit on BBC a couple of weeks ago listed Iraq as having the highest private gun ownership rate in the world, after the anarchic warlord states in Africa. Had a nice interview at an open-air gun market, one of the sellers said that Smith Wesson was quite popular. -- J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com buy stuff, damnit: http://www.spies.com/jet/store.html
State Super-DMCA Too True (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:53:32 -0500 From: William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: State Super-DMCA Too True Declan McCullagh sent out an email 7:56 am EST this morning, referencing his full report at: http://news.com.com/2100-1028-994667.html I was shocked to see that Michigan has *already* passed such a law! (Also Virginia, Delaware, and Illinois.) I've found the new law(s), and they basically outlaw my living in Michigan starting March 31st (this Monday, two days from now): http://www.michiganlegislature.org/printDocument.asp?objName=mcl-750-219a-amendedversion=txt http://www.michiganlegislature.org/printDocument.asp?objName=mcl-750-540c-amendedversion=txt The Bill analysis basically quotes the MPAA website! http://michiganlegislature.org/documents/2001-2002/billanalysis/house/htm/2001-HLA-6079-b.htm It outlaws all encryption, and all remailers. It outlaws connecting any device without the express authority of the telecommunications service provider. No NATs. No wireless. (Some DSL/cable companies try to charge per machine, and record the machine address of the devices connected.) It outlaws configuring your ISDN to be a voice device, and then sending data over the device. (Most folks around here are willing to settle for 56Kbps + 56Kbps -- fixed fee -- instead of 64Kbps + 64Kbps -- per minute.) It outlaws configuring a wire pair purchased as a burglar alarm circuit, and then using it as DSL. It outlaws using Linux/*BSD for reading DVDs and a host of other things. Also, reprogramming a device (and software and computer chips are explicitly included) that is capable of facilitating the interception, transmission, retransmission, decryption, acquisition, or reception of any telecommunications, transmissions, signals, or services would seem to prohibit mod'ing of M$ Xboxen. Heck, it is possible to read this Act to prohibit changing your operating system from M$ to Linux. This was passed in a lame duck session (December 11, 2002) as part of a big omnibus crime act that covered everything from adulteration of butter and cream, to trick or acrobatic flying to false weights and measures, mostly increasing fines and/or jail for existing offenses. Michigan is a leader in overcrowding its prisons. There was other lame duck legislation passed, before a new Governor took office, almost all of it bad for civil liberties! -- William Allen Simpson Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU
Mentions of anonymous remailers are now almost commonplace. Looks like stego is catching up. Implications for attempted bans on these tools, or enhanced sentencing, are left to your imagination. Steganalysis is going to be a big thing. Possible countermeasure is embedding a steganographed message (can be a random file with statistical characteristics equal to an encrypted file) into as many images as possible. The adversary will still be able to detect the data in the file, but the number of files with real messages in them could be just a fraction of the total amount. A Microsoft(R) Worm(R) could be unleashed that would steganographically embed random files into all JPEG files found on the victim machines, for diluting the stego files in a worldwide scale; possessing/transmitting such image wouldn't then be automatically a reaspon for suspicion. Another approach, less effective but also less dramatic and more difficult to do in large scale, is to put such module into some popular graphics-editing software. Opinions, comments, peer review?
Sunday Times article on civilian murder?
On indymedia, this quote: The british journalist Mark Franchetti (Sunday Times) reports today, that after killing 12 Iraqi civilians, among them a 5 year old girl, on a bridge at Nasirija, a US corporal, active in that killing told him that Iraqi people are a disease and we are the chemotherapy. In addition he told the journalist that he hates that country. Sounds quite intriguing, but I can't get the actual article from the Sunday Times page: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,2086,00.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-628258,00.html Does anyone have the full article? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Skeletons at the gates
At 03:28 PM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: According to indymedia, those SF protests last week seemed to be pretty effectively shutting down the financial district even without lockdowns, thru sheer force of numbers. Not surprising - traffic there only marginally works anyway, and if the protests block half the street parking or a few parking garage entrances, everything fails totally. It's a complex system, and such things are often fragile. Any group of Pranksters willing to buy a bunch of orange traffic cones and some sawhorses and a few dozen credible-looking street construction signs could do almost as well without even a large group support group, if they got out early in the morning, and if drivers decide to collapse the waveform by ignoring all such cones and signs, there's be weeks of chaos afterwards until drivers get back in the habit of obeying.
Re: Quote of the Day
On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:37, Tyler Durden wrote: Hey, as for Sharpton, I'll quote my brother: I'm gonna vote for Sharpton just to piss YOU off! I know someone who voted for Sharpton a few years ago (Governor? Senator? One of his no-chance campaigns.) because he figured he'd be the only one voting for the doofus in his very conservative county and he'd be able to point at that 1 entry and say That's mine!. To his dismay, three or four others apparently though the same way. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Guns will get you through times of no duct tape better than duct tape will get you through times of no guns. -- Ron Kuby
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
At 01:15 PM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: IIRC, the protestants aren't Irish, they are Brits, the remainder of the brit occupying forces. The Irish were essentially slaves of the brits for centuries. You don't remember correctly. Most of the Protestants in Ulster were moved there in the 1700s from Scotland during the conquests there. It took care of two problems at once - displacing a lot of the Irish, and getting a lot of uncooperative Scots out of Scotland. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. While there was some of that, there wasn't much, particularly in Scandinavia - Norse Odinism was a pretty depressing religion, and the population converted at least nominally very quickly, though it took a while to get concepts like Don't kill and Don't steal accepted as widely as Don't sacrifice people to the old gods, given that viking was a standard part of the Viking economy.
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:14:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:01:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever ...should simply be left that way. Their screams for water, for release, and then eventually their dying moans, could be broadcast on the Internet. Maybe even a video feed of one of the perps trying to gnaw his own hand off. I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. Actually, they always have support people to bring them food and water. No problem. It's a fairly effective tactic. You misunderstand completely. Two words: Private Property. If Randy Redwood and Sally Sprucetree chain themselves to my property, I don't have to let support people enter my property, my office, my facilities. No, I think it's you who is misunderstanding. What private property? The demos he was talking about originally were on public property, downtown NYC. And, for that matter, the vast majority of EarthFirst! actions are on public property, like the Nat'l Forests. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:38PM -0500, stuart wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HS Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions HS a couple of milleniums ago. Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of those surviving christers. And considering all those from Africa murdered and enslaved here by christers, And especially now, considering the millions enslaved as we speak in the US by christers, and what we can clearly see about to happen with the new christer crusades. Sometimes the few must be sacrificed for the common good, eh? 8-) Obviously the christers, past and present, see it that way. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Quote of the Day
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 12:40:45PM -0600, Neil Johnson wrote: I heard this quote from a Marine today on NPR talking about the sucide bombing earlier and how they are now dealing with IRAQI citizens. We've been told to be professional and polite, but prepared to kill anyone we meet. Ha! Good for a chuckle! Of course, this is the new Post-Ashcroft rule for how US law enforcement deals with US citizens, too. -- Greg
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sunday 30 March 2003 15:13, Tyler Durden wrote: Uh...I don't think Tim May gets the picture here. Think a few dozen PVC-groups consisting of 100 or more each, lying in the middle of, say, 5th avenue, or at the mouth of the midtown tunnel. Oh, and say it happens at 8:00AM on a Weekday. The result is a significant impact on the local economy (at least), and a city that is partially paralyzed for half a day. Hey, finally a legitimate use of SUVs for people who never go off-road! My commuter bug would get hung up when I drove over the protoplasmic speed bumps, but the big tires of a 4WD SUV would have no trouble. I'm pretty sure the self-indulgent imbeciles who engage in this sort of infantile behavior would find another venue once the great mass of people stopped indulging their temper tantrums. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Guns will get you through times of no duct tape better than duct tape will get you through times of no guns. -- Ron Kuby
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HS Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions HS a couple of milleniums ago. Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? -- stuart We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade. -Operation Ivy-
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Saturday, March 29, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HSYeah, too bad they don't feel the same way about Ireland. The HS Irish have been trying to kick the Brits out for what, 400 years? HS At least. Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. The story of Britain and Ireland is not simply one occupying another. The Irish are not one mass of people, they are two: Protestant and Catholic. Before they became a part of the Kingdom they were Catholic. After, many Irish converted to Protestantism. There was terrible persecution of the Catholics by the British. This died down by the time of the Union in 1800. The Catholics wanted out of the Union, the Protestants didn't. Violence, bloodshed, rinse repeat. Eventually the south became the Repulic of Ireland while the North remained a part of the Union. Catholic majority in the south, Protestant in the north. Those Catholics left in the north weren't treated as equals, and wanted a united Ireland. The Protestant majority in the north was SCARED TO DEATH of seceding from the Union and becoming a part of the Republic of Ireland because they knew they will be shit on by the Catholics. Remember, the north is 6 counties to the south's 26. The Protestants are far outnumbered. Hence they are separate, and remain a part of the Union instead of being one with the south. This is the root of the conflict. It's not the British occupying Ireland. Ireland is free, Northern Ireland is a part of the Union. Ireland wants the north, the north doesn't want Ireland. If the British just left Northern Ireland, there would probably be some serious ethnic cleansing due to centuries of animosity. The Protestant majority in the north DO NOT WANT TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION. The British aren't in Northern Ireland holding on to a last scrap of empire, they are there because Northern Ireland is a part of Britain, and the majority of those in Northern Ireland want it to stay that way. Now Scotland, on the other hand, THEY want out of the Union. -- stuart We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade. -Operation Ivy-
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:14:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:01:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever You misunderstand completely. Two words: Private Property. If Randy Redwood and Sally Sprucetree chain themselves to my property, I don't have to let support people enter my property, my office, my facilities. No, I think it's you who is misunderstanding. What private property? The demos he was talking about originally were on public property, downtown NYC. And, for that matter, the vast majority of EarthFirst! actions are on public property, like the Nat'l Forests. Neopagan nitwit. I specifically, in my original post, talked about those who chain themselves to trees, gates, etc. I repeated this point above. I was referring to the Pacific Lumber Company, for example, where Earth First! activists have chained themselves to company gates, to redwood trees, inside company offices, etc. For those who block roads, the solution has been what we have done in San Francisco: use an SUV or truck and just keep driving. Crunch. (We did this during Critical Mass.') The bozo named after a Beach Boy who lost his legs when a munitions train wouldn't stop is the poster boy for this roadkill. I guess they shouldn't have been in the road. --Tim May A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship. --Alexander Fraser Tyler
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:01:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever ...should simply be left that way. Their screams for water, for release, and then eventually their dying moans, could be broadcast on the Internet. Maybe even a video feed of one of the perps trying to gnaw his own hand off. I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. Actually, they always have support people to bring them food and water. No problem. It's a fairly effective tactic. You misunderstand completely. Two words: Private Property. If Randy Redwood and Sally Sprucetree chain themselves to my property, I don't have to let support people enter my property, my office, my facilities. --Tim May
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HS On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:38PM -0500, stuart wrote: Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? HSWell, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, HS given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the HS Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of those surviving HS christers. And considering all those from Africa murdered and enslaved here by HS christers, And especially now, considering the millions enslaved as we speak HS in the US by christers, and what we can clearly see about to happen with HS the new christer crusades. All of this has nothing to do with early Christians. You could say the Romans should have wiped out the early Germanic tribes and so averted the Holocaust, but would you? By this precedent, yes. HSSometimes the few must be sacrificed for the common good, eh? 8-) You might make an excellent totalitarian ruler. HS Obviously the christers, past and present, see it that way. Be careful who you lump together. Most Christians do not wish for the things you describe here. You are confusing fundamentalists with the rest. They may be loud, they may have power, they are most certainly not all. -- stuart Anyone who tells you they want a utopia wants to put chains on the souls of your children. They want to deny history and strangle any unforeseen possibility. They should be resisted to the last breath. -Bruce Sterling-
Re: Skeletons at the gates
At 11:35 AM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:01:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Ed Norton wrote: I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported out there West of the Hudson... It's been done here in San Francisco as well. Actually, they always have support people to bring them food and water. No problem. It's a fairly effective tactic. And I'm sure the police are happy to bring them all the coke and coffee they want to drink while leaving them chained up... I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. And later Tim wrote Private Property There are some cases where it's private property, but others where it's street or sidewalk blockage, and while some of the police may want to let them stay until they starve, they don't want traffic blocked in the Financial District, and haven't thought of bringing lots of rotten tomatoes for the motorists to use. In many cases, the protestors _do_ have keys to their handcuffs, so they can unlock themselves if they want; it's just tough for other people to do the job with the PVC pipes in the way, as opposed to regular handcuffs which bolt cutters take care of quickly. (Besides, you want to have a handy set of spare handcuff keys in case the police haul you away after they get you unlocked) The cases where they don't have keys are usually much rarer - the guy who handcuffed himself to something where the area was going to be flooded by a new dam, etc., and usually that's not private property.
Re: State Super-DMCA Too True
[Sent to you alone as I am unable to post to the list] On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: I find this argument interesting, because a lot of people seem to share your feeling that the ISP can, in the terms of service, allow or disallow specific uses. Please note that in the absence of overriding law, these are civil contracts covered by civil law (at least in the US - YMMV overseas), and the ISP *absolutely* can set arbitrary and even stupid restrictions on how their service is used. several excellent examples of pay-for-use elided If ISP's keep imposing these overly restrictive terms of service eventually the people will revolt. The government will come in and make a huge mess of the industry, but probably fix things from the consumer point of view. ISP's would be wise to look at what the other utilities do, and make their service be the dropping off of an Ethernet port on a billing device (eg, meter) and simply bill per bit. Obviously, you are describing the model used universally in the early days of connectivity scarcity. Since the industry is ruled by supply and demand rules, as the supply expanded, the price dropped - eventually to the point where the appearance of unlimited use was a viable marketing tool. As the pipes feeding the ISPs got bigger and bigger, the industry moved to selling the trivial-response-time-decreases, via the sale of more bandwidth - at no time did any of the ISPs expect that the 1.5m unlimited customer would use that 1.5m continually. On the flip side, the vast majority of consumers understood very little of the technology other than 1.5m meant less waiting for that daily M$ Critical Security Patch, resulting in the perpetuation of the cycle. Until Napster, both the ISPs and the consumers were happy with the illusion that oversubscription provided. What we have today is the interesting reversal of conditions: p2p and other ultra-high-use technologies have brought us back to a [relative] state of scarcity in supply, however, the consumer is now conditioned to expect that 1.5U/512D for $49.95, no metering, thank-you-very-much. Switching back to a metered model is now impossible - as we are all aware, a 3 year long satisfied customer will dump you tomorrow if a competitor offers the same [or even degraded] service for $10.00 less. Announcing the move to metering would be a form of instantaneous corporate suicide today. In the end, I think users would be more happy (plug up whatever you want, however you want, we don't care!), and I think the ISP's would make more money. First, more people would plug up more stuff. Second, they would make revenue off things they don't today. They outlaw servers because they can't make money on them with $49.95 a month pricing. Well, if you bill by the bit the guy who runs a server can pay $50 in usage charges. He has his server, the ISP has the money to scale their network to support it. We call this a win-win situation. Third, they could lower the entry point price for people with low needs. $25 could get you DSL with 1G a month for grandma and her e-mail, while $100 could get you DSL with 8G a month for a gamer. The grandma who won't pay $50 today might pay $25. As an employee at a multinational NSP, I note that this model doesn't sell to ISPs either, at least until you hit DS3s. And we don't want to sell it: the bookeeping nightmare isn't worth the bit charges involved at these low speeds. The same issues apply to the ISPs. So, while the ISP's may not be doing anything illegal, and in fact may be having success in passing laws to make what they seem to want to do even easier, they are being extremely short sighted and stupid. They may get a couple of good years out of this run, but eventually the people will be fed up, and fed up people get the government involved, and the government will fix it in it's usual bull-in-a-china-shop way, which will be very bad for the ISP, and hopefully only slightly bad for the consumer. I generally agree with this assessment: eventually, the people will revolt, and *really* screw things up. But until that happens (and then at least there will be a judge somewhere that we can all blame for anything bad), we are stuck in the marketing mess we have ourselves created. Leo Bicknell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - CCIE 3440 -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:01:56AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Ed Norton wrote: I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported out there West of the Hudson... Apparently, a large traffic-stopping protest here in NYC was performed using a method I hadn't heard of before. Basically, the demonstrators handcuffed themselves together, but inside large PVC tubing in which their arms were encased. So in order to clear out the demonstrators, cops pretty much have to cart off a tied-together mass of 100 demonstrators, without any real hope of breaking them apart in any short amount of time. Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever ...should simply be left that way. Their screams for water, for release, and then eventually their dying moans, could be broadcast on the Internet. Maybe even a video feed of one of the perps trying to gnaw his own hand off. I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. Actually, they always have support people to bring them food and water. No problem. It's a fairly effective tactic. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HSYeah, too bad they don't feel the same way about Ireland. The HS Irish have been trying to kick the Brits out for what, 400 years? HS At least. Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. No, I do. The story of Britain and Ireland is not simply one occupying another. The Irish are not one mass of people, they are two: Protestant and Catholic. Before they became a part of the Kingdom they were Catholic. After, many Irish converted to Protestantism. IIRC, the protestants aren't Irish, they are Brits, the remainder of the brit occupying forces. The Irish were essentially slaves of the brits for centuries. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. (snip) -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Quote of the Day
I heard this quote from a Marine today on NPR talking about the sucide bombing earlier and how they are now dealing with IRAQI citizens. We've been told to be professional and polite, but prepared to kill anyone we meet. -- Neil Johnson http://www.njohnsn.com PGP key available on request.
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:09:11PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:15 PM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: IIRC, the protestants aren't Irish, they are Brits, the remainder of the brit occupying forces. The Irish were essentially slaves of the brits for centuries. You don't remember correctly. Most of the Protestants in Ulster were moved there in the 1700s from Scotland during the conquests there. It took care of two problems at once - displacing a lot of the Irish, and getting a lot of uncooperative Scots out of Scotland. ahh, that's what it was. I knew they weren't Irish at any rate. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. While there was some of that, there wasn't much, particularly in Scandinavia - Norse Odinism was a pretty depressing religion, and the population converted at least nominally very quickly, though it took a while to get concepts like Don't kill and Don't steal accepted as widely as Don't sacrifice people to the old gods, given that viking was a standard part of the Viking economy. The number of women, in particular, who were murdered by the church is pretty high, not just during the initial conversion but also during the following Inquistion. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Quote of the Day
Steve Furlong wrote on March 28, 2003 at 17:56:41 -0500: On Friday 28 March 2003 00:10, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Sometimes when you're in government you have to do things for the people whether they like it or not. That's what governing is all about, said Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, R-Brunswick. Hitlary, Chucklehead Schumer, the now-deceased Pat Old Drunk Moynihan, George Pataki, Al Sharpton, and now Joe Bruno. Tell ya, I'm damn proud to be a New Yorker. This Joseph Bruno probably needs his ass governed. I'm thinking that instead of killing them, freedom fighters can lock them in small cells with big black men. -- Tom Veil
Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU
Gotta give this thought a great big ditto. I've believed for a long time now that the real reason the fedz have tried to scare the public from using heavy crypto is for precisely this reason...a lot can be determined merely by the presence and form of crypto used. I am in fact starting to wonder if whether (in certain contexts) merely knowing that something is encrypted (and how) is just about as good as de-encrypting it. As for the how, one wonders some form of fake-stego can't be incorporated somehow into non-stego programs, such as zip/compression utilities, file-sharing and so on. -TD From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Mentions of anonymous remailers are now almost commonplace. Looks like stego is catching up. Implications for attempted bans on these tools, or enhanced sentencing, are left to your imagination. Steganalysis is going to be a big thing. Possible countermeasure is embedding a steganographed message (can be a random file with statistical characteristics equal to an encrypted file) into as many images as possible. The adversary will still be able to detect the data in the file, but the number of files with real messages in them could be just a fraction of the total amount. A Microsoft(R) Worm(R) could be unleashed that would steganographically embed random files into all JPEG files found on the victim machines, for diluting the stego files in a worldwide scale; possessing/transmitting such image wouldn't then be automatically a reaspon for suspicion. Another approach, less effective but also less dramatic and more difficult to do in large scale, is to put such module into some popular graphics-editing software. Opinions, comments, peer review? _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
PVC Tubes and NYC Demonstrators
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported out there West of the Hudson... Apparently, a large traffic-stopping protest here in NYC was performed using a method I hadn't heard of before. Basically, the demonstrators handcuffed themselves together, but inside large PVC tubing in which their arms were encased. So in order to clear out the demonstrators, cops pretty much have to cart off a tied-together mass of 100 demonstrators, without any real hope of breaking them apart in any short amount of time. -TD _
Closer Together Than Average Primes Discovered
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/5483833.htm And in amazing math discovery news... - ... Dan Goldston, a math professor at SJSU, has solved an important problem in number theory relating to prime numbers. ... Mathematicians described the advance -- announced at a conference in Germany -- as the most important breakthrough in the field in decades. ... Can you always find prime numbers that may not be twins, but that are much closer together than average? Taking into account, of course, the fact that the bigger numbers get, the sparser primes become. Working with Cem Yalcin Yildirim of Bogazici University in Istanbul, Goldston was finally able to say yes. ... -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: Quote of the Day
Hey, as for Sharpton, I'll quote my brother: I'm gonna vote for Sharpton just to piss YOU off! -TD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Veil) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quote of the Day Date: 30 Mar 2003 16:14:14 - Steve Furlong wrote on March 28, 2003 at 17:56:41 -0500: On Friday 28 March 2003 00:10, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Sometimes when you're in government you have to do things for the people whether they like it or not. That's what governing is all about, said Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, R-Brunswick. Hitlary, Chucklehead Schumer, the now-deceased Pat Old Drunk Moynihan, George Pataki, Al Sharpton, and now Joe Bruno. Tell ya, I'm damn proud to be a New Yorker. This Joseph Bruno probably needs his ass governed. I'm thinking that instead of killing them, freedom fighters can lock them in small cells with big black men. -- Tom Veil _
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 03:13:42PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Uh...I don't think Tim May gets the picture here. Think a few dozen PVC-groups consisting of 100 or more each, lying in the middle of, say, 5th avenue, or at the mouth of the midtown tunnel. Oh, and say it happens at 8:00AM on a Weekday. The result is a significant impact on the local economy (at least), and a city that is partially paralyzed for half a day. -TD According to indymedia, those SF protests last week seemed to be pretty effectively shutting down the financial district even without lockdowns, thru sheer force of numbers. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Skeletons at the gates
Uh...I don't think Tim May gets the picture here. Think a few dozen PVC-groups consisting of 100 or more each, lying in the middle of, say, 5th avenue, or at the mouth of the midtown tunnel. Oh, and say it happens at 8:00AM on a Weekday. The result is a significant impact on the local economy (at least), and a city that is partially paralyzed for half a day. -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Skeletons at the gates Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:01:56 -0800 On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Ed Norton wrote: I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported out there West of the Hudson... Apparently, a large traffic-stopping protest here in NYC was performed using a method I hadn't heard of before. Basically, the demonstrators handcuffed themselves together, but inside large PVC tubing in which their arms were encased. So in order to clear out the demonstrators, cops pretty much have to cart off a tied-together mass of 100 demonstrators, without any real hope of breaking them apart in any short amount of time. Those who handcuff themselves to gates, to trees, inside PVC pipes, whatever ...should simply be left that way. Their screams for water, for release, and then eventually their dying moans, could be broadcast on the Internet. Maybe even a video feed of one of the perps trying to gnaw his own hand off. I came to this realization when a pair of demonstrators chained themselves to a gate at a lumber company in Northern California. You made your bed, now you can lie in it. The skeletons, after a year or two, might send a signal to others. (Of course, none of this will happen. If nothing else, lawsuits would be filed demanding that money be spent to cut their PVC pipes or chains or whatever. A litigious society makes their asymmetric warfare possible.) --Tim May Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout --Unknown Usenet Poster _
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 12:22:41AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:36:08PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Are there specific facts on that Web page that you believe to be in error? Did you read the hilarious description of FCF and EFF? I assume not, if you had to ask... It seems to be making the point that the FCF is not truthful about it's programs, the recipients of their support, and is generally not forthcoming, indeed, even secretive, about it's activities, which seems more than a little strange for a group promoting liberty. I haven't seen anything at all critical of EFF, they're using that example to point up how FCF operates. FCF looks to me to be a pretty creepy bunch like all the christer right. I get the same gag reflex reading about them as I do seeing a picture or hearing the voice of Asscruft. Or Dubya, Rumdum, Farwell, Roberts, etc. Ick. The whole bunch really creeps me out, like watching a really nasty horror flick. Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions a couple of milleniums ago. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
