Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Tomas Pospisek]

G'day admin4,

I suggest you take this to the #debian IRC channel where you can 
hopefully drill down to the root cause of the problem. A mailing list 
like debian-devel is not really well suited to do back-and-forth 
debugging...

*t

On 23.09.21 12:08, admin4 wrote:

GoodDay Mates,

network connectivity dropping during package download is still there, it 
is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not, this used to work 
very well.


it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be debugged & 
fixed!


will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with their 
setup)


the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during package 
download: (after software selection)


https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218 



trying non-free now.

tried yesterday and today installing

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ... 64/iso-cd/ 



on Lenovo t440

and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388 packages 
of 1491 before grinding to a halt...


  * after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being big
MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian package mirror
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ 

it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses 
connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]


  * downloading isos via wget from just works fine

best regards

On 8/19/21 5:25 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:


is there a Debian "testing" team?

That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
decide to report an issue they found.


that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with 
priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free 
versions)),

The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release
and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download
RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just
follow the installer prompts.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting


1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)

and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not 
work )

I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have
enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it
is.


2) scan the hardware specs of the system

There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:

https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database
https://linux-hardware.org/
https://bsd-hardware.org/

Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called
hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the
Debian live installer (calamares).

https://bugs.debian.org/964853
https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454


anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen 
resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list

The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some
hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware
probes of the same computer.

https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing
https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy


where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work with 
this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)

There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you
would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did
the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We
could create a Debian Live distro for hardware
testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done
that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do
something similar some years ago.

http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification

There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their
experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file
installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn


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Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

GoodDay Mates,

network connectivity dropping during package download is still there, it
is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not, this used to work
very well.

it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be debugged &
fixed!

will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with their
setup)

the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during package
download: (after software selection)

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218


trying non-free now.

tried yesterday and today installing

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ... 64/iso-cd/


on Lenovo t440

and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388 packages
of 1491 before grinding to a halt...

  * after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being big
MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian package mirror
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ 

it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses
connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]

  * downloading isos via wget from just works fine

best regards

On 8/19/21 5:25 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:
>
>> is there a Debian "testing" team?
> That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
> decide to report an issue they found.
>
>> that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with 
>> priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free 
>> versions)),
> The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release
> and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download
> RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just
> follow the installer prompts.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting
>
>> 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
>>
>> and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not 
>> work )
> I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have
> enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it
> is.
>
>> 2) scan the hardware specs of the system
> There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database
> https://linux-hardware.org/
> https://bsd-hardware.org/
>
> Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called
> hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the
> Debian live installer (calamares).
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/964853
> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454
>
>> anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen 
>> resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
> The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some
> hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware
> probes of the same computer.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing
> https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy
>
>> where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work 
>> with this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)
> There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you
> would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did
> the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We
> could create a Debian Live distro for hardware
> testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done
> that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do
> something similar some years ago.
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification
>
> There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their
> experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file
> installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn
>
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   connect the people

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Philip Hands]

Paul Wise  writes:

> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:
>
>> is there a Debian "testing" team?
>
> That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
> decide to report an issue they found.

While that probably accounts for the bulk of the effort, there are also
people that work on this within Debian (as mentioned debian-cd does
testing), and we also have several mechanical testing efforts of various
sorts-- e.g.:

  https://jenkins.debian.net
  https://reproducible-builds.org/
  https://openqa.debian.net/
  https://ci.debian.net/
  https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/

(there are bound to be more that I've forgotten)

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 10:15 PM Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

> I give the installer a 5 star rating although I would like to see some
> improvements made to the disk configuration utility. Currently the
> disk configuration utility is non-intuitive and appears to be designed
> for keyboard only navigation as opposed to mouse navigation. No matter
> how many times I use the disk utility I just can not get used to using it.

The issue tracker for the Calamares project is on GitHub:

https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues

> I have not found any show stopper bugs. I am having an issue in KDE
> Plasma where the desktop fails to load including the wall paper. The
> screen is just black with a functional task bar. Simply logging off
> and logging back in fixes it, so it is just a minor annoyance.

Sounds like something that should be reported upstream:

https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved#Issue_Reporting
https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting

Once it is fixed upstream, you could talk to the Debian Qt/KDE team
about getting it fixed in the affected Debian versions.

https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/

> Having a dedicated email list and IRC channel for installation related
> concerns seems like a good idea. I could see it getting used.

For the Debian Live installer, there is the upstream Calamares
Matrix/IRC room/channel and the debian-live mailing list and IRC
channel. For the Debian Installer there is the debian-boot mailing
list and IRC channel.

https://github.com/calamares/calamares/

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pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Timothy M Butterworth]

I have been using Debian 11 since Alpha 1 release. I installed with
non-free live DVD using the calamaris installer. I have it installed
on three systems one Intel Celeron, one Intel i5 and one AMD Ryzen 7.

I give the installer a 5 star rating although I would like to see some
improvements made to the disk configuration utility. Currently the
disk configuration utility is non-intuitive and appears to be designed
for keyboard only navigation as opposed to mouse navigation. No matter
how many times I use the disk utility I just can not get used to using
it.

I have not found any show stopper bugs. I am having an issue in KDE
Plasma where the desktop fails to load including the wall paper. The
screen is just black with a functional task bar. Simply logging off
and logging back in fixes it, so it is just a minor annoyance.

Having a dedicated email list and IRC channel for installation related
concerns seems like a good idea. I could see it getting used.

Tim

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

Hello all valuable and constructive contributors :)

1) so thanks again for Debian it is just a lovely distro

2) forgot to mention: was using the net install ISOs for the test
(hardware used server hp proliant g6 (amd64) (the raid is detected
fine!)

and lenovo laptop x60s (i386)


https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/


 1. because they are minimalism
 2. let me install just what is needed
 3. fit on a CD

testers are an important part of the team :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFbLyUQSbw


best regards

On 8/18/21 12:33 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:25:58PM +0200, admin4 wrote:
>> Hello all, in short,
>>
>>   * is there a Debian "testing" team?, that does test setups of Debian
>> ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used
>> CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),
>>   * before the ISOs spread across the world on all those nice download
>> servers, for further "public beta" testing?
>>   * does-it-work-well.sh script could
>>   o 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
>>   + and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments
>> what does/did not work )
>>   o 2) scan the hardware specs of the system
>>   + anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip
>> addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to
>> debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
>>   # where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange
>> (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red
>> (fails, no fix available currently)
> Yes, testing the pre-release ISOs and filing installation-report bugs is
> encouraged during freezes.

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:

> is there a Debian "testing" team?

That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
decide to report an issue they found.

> that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with 
> priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free 
> versions)),

The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release
and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download
RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just
follow the installer prompts.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting

> 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
>
> and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not 
> work )

I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have
enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it
is.

> 2) scan the hardware specs of the system

There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:

https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database
https://linux-hardware.org/
https://bsd-hardware.org/

Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called
hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the
Debian live installer (calamares).

https://bugs.debian.org/964853
https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454

> anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen 
> resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list

The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some
hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware
probes of the same computer.

https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing
https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy

> where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work 
> with this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)

There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you
would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did
the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We
could create a Debian Live distro for hardware
testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done
that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do
something similar some years ago.

http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification

There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their
experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file
installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 9:12 AM admin4 wrote:

> cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works
>
> Too many errors from stdin

You need to tell nano to load stdin:

cat feed.xml | nano -

> here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report a problem 
> and improve a GNU Linux distribution.

Please note that debian-devel is a public mailing list too, so your
email is already public.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

Hello all, in short,

  * is there a Debian "testing" team?, that does test setups of Debian
ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used
CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),
  * before the ISOs spread across the world on all those nice download
servers, for further "public beta" testing?
  * does-it-work-well.sh script could
  o 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
  + and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments
what does/did not work )
  o 2) scan the hardware specs of the system
  + anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip
addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to
debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
  # where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange
(can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red
(fails, no fix available currently)

just trying to help ensure the quality of Debian stays rock solid and
frustration free especially for new users, that might not want to wait
for days, until a fix is uploaded and then simply go to ubuntu

but as Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, if Debian is broken, so is then
probably Ubuntu

best regards

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:25:58PM +0200, admin4 wrote:
> Hello all, in short,
> 
>   * is there a Debian "testing" team?, that does test setups of Debian
> ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used
> CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),
>   * before the ISOs spread across the world on all those nice download
> servers, for further "public beta" testing?
>   * does-it-work-well.sh script could
>   o 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
>   + and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments
> what does/did not work )
>   o 2) scan the hardware specs of the system
>   + anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip
> addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to
> debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
>   # where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange
> (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red
> (fails, no fix available currently)
Yes, testing the pre-release ISOs and filing installation-report bugs is
encouraged during freezes.

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Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

Hello Andrey,

On 8/18/21 11:20 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:54:17AM +0200, admin4 wrote:
 Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?
> Both are included, less has Priority: standard, vim-tiny has Priority:
> important.

after setup is complete yes, but during the setup / when doing a setup
of Debian 11 iso via
https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/


during the setup neither less nor vi are available in the consoles (what
gnu linux is used during setup? busybox?)

>> in theory yes... in reality try this:
>>
>> wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml
>>
>> cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works
>>
>> *Too many errors from stdin**
>> *
>>
>> *Buffer written to nano.save*
>>
>> *# argh, only works for small files!?*
>>
>> can not handle large files?
> vi doesn't support this either. You just shouldn't pipe files to editors
> and call `nano feed.xml` instead.

but then nano can not replace less as stated by p...@debian.org

best regards

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:54:17AM +0200, admin4 wrote:
> >> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?
Both are included, less has Priority: standard, vim-tiny has Priority:
important.

> in theory yes... in reality try this:
> 
> wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml
> 
> cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works
> 
> *Too many errors from stdin**
> *
> 
> *Buffer written to nano.save*
> 
> *# argh, only works for small files!?*
> 
> can not handle large files?
vi doesn't support this either. You just shouldn't pipe files to editors
and call `nano feed.xml` instead.

> "Note that your installation report will be published in the Debian Bug
> Tracking System (BTS) and forwarded to a public mailing list."
> 
> "Make sure that you *use an e-mail address that you do not mind being
> made public*"
> 
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug
> 
> 
> here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report a
> problem and improve a GNU Linux distribution.
Well, you mailed a mailing list directly instead, doing the same thing.

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Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

Hello Paul,

thanks for the timely reply.

On 8/18/21 4:33 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM admin4 wrote:
>
>> today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason for 
>> users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)
> Debian 11/bullseye is not in LTS mode yet. Debian 10/buster will be in
> LTS mode in a year's time when regular security support for it ends.

thanks for the info, alright, sounds good, Debian 10 runs just fine
right now :)

> Debian 11/bullseye will be in LTS mode one year after the release of
> Debian 12/bookworm in approximately two year's time.
>
>> 2) the problems:
>>
>> E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install
> Please ask for help debugging this on Debian support channels and once
> you know what the problem is, then file an installation report.
>
> https://www.debian.org/support
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug
>
>> S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors
> The Debian bug reporting tool is called reportbug, please file issues
> using it. If you don't know which package is at fault, you can ask on
> our support channels to find out.
is this tool available during setup? with no network connection?
https://itsfoss.com/bug-report-debian/

>
> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
> https://www.debian.org/support
>
>> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

in theory yes... in reality try this:

wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml

cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works

*Too many errors from stdin**
*

*Buffer written to nano.save*

*# argh, only works for small files!?*

can not handle large files?


> Sounds like a question for the support channel, but I assume it is
> because nano is available, which is a user-friendly alternative to vi,
> and can also replace less.

"Note that your installation report will be published in the Debian Bug
Tracking System (BTS) and forwarded to a public mailing list."

"Make sure that you *use an e-mail address that you do not mind being
made public*"

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug


here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report a
problem and improve a GNU Linux distribution.

will try that

cu

Re: Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM admin4 wrote:

> today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason for 
> users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)

Debian 11/bullseye is not in LTS mode yet. Debian 10/buster will be in
LTS mode in a year's time when regular security support for it ends.
Debian 11/bullseye will be in LTS mode one year after the release of
Debian 12/bookworm in approximately two year's time.

> 2) the problems:
>
> E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install

Please ask for help debugging this on Debian support channels and once
you know what the problem is, then file an installation report.

https://www.debian.org/support
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug

> S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors

The Debian bug reporting tool is called reportbug, please file issues
using it. If you don't know which package is at fault, you can ask on
our support channels to find out.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://www.debian.org/support

> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

Sounds like a question for the support channel, but I assume it is
because nano is available, which is a user-friendly alternative to vi,
and can also replace less.

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Debian 11 Bullseye Setup Problems Error Report

[admin4]

Dear Debian Team,

*1) first (always) say something positive*

being a big fan of Debian since aprox 10 years

thanks for all your efforts making Debian a easy to install (universal)
reliable system, that lowers the bar for users trying to go Open Source
and GNU Linux and FreeSoftware (a migration via OSX might be a good
transition from Windows)

today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason
for users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)

*2) the problems:*

*E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install*

*tested on:*

  o hp server g6 proliant (amd64)
  o x60s laptop (i386)
  * *observed problem:*
  o network aka "the internet" (like ping 1.1.1.1) works at the
beginning
  o then it loses network connection (on all nics even wifi)
  o *and setup will fail ***before "software selection" screen* with
screenshots that can be seen here*
  + *pwd: DebuggingDebian11*
  + *https://dwaves.de/2021/08/17/gnu-linux-debian-11-testing/

*
  + got isos from
herehttps://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/

  # did the sha512sum -c on all downloaded isos (so it ain't
a download corruption problem)

*S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors*

S.1.) include a "report problem" button, that automatic generates a
report to store away any error logs (and dmesg) that is generated during
the setup on a usb drive, for easy upload to
https://debian.org/report-a-problem 

or:

S2.) (even better if network works) include a "report problem" button,
that automatic generates a report and uploads it to debian.org for
further investigation (easily accessible as a link like
https://debian.org/errors/report/2021-08-17_11-57_lenovo_x60s_128903786351782539
)

*Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?*

makes debugging things very very hard

please checkout this wonderful script that should run on some console
during setup per default

https://dwaves.de/2017/06/15/linux-monitor-all-logs-in-real-time-d-follow-all-show-changes-to-log-files-under-varlog/


which would display all errors (currently via ccze) nicely in *RED*

*for easy visual detection of problems*

PS: thanks for rss feed btw this app
https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/how-to-read-news-in-the-21st-century-apps-rss-feeds-turns-the-users-android-based-device-into-an-independent-open-source-based-news-aggregator-that-respects-the-users-privacy/

allows nice following of news such as
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814


via rss feed https://www.debian.org/News/news


On 8/17/21 10:32 AM, debian-devel-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:

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