Re: Problems with kernel recompiling

[Vadim Kutsyy]

David Benfell wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 01:40:36AM -0500, Vadim Kutsyy wrote:
> >
> > I want to recompile the kernel.  I config and compiling went without any
> > problem (I am trying 2.2.18pre21 static on woody).  Hwever, when I am
> > restrarting computer, Xserver starts, but gdm doesn't, so all what I am
> > getting is gray screen whithout anything at all.
> >
> The only way this could be a kernel issue is if you misconfigured the
> kernel and left out some modules that X (or gdm) needs.  I'm having a
> hard time imagining that gdm would need any special kernel modules.
> I can imagine, depending on your hardware (e.g. Intel i810e) that you
> might have left out some modules that X would need.  But X starts; I
> think that rules this possibility out.

Well, I not that sure.  I started Linux without X, and then I tryied to
start x (startx).  Here is result:

-
_XSERVTransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local
_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for local
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for local/kutsyy:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for local
_X11TransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local
_X11TransSocketOpenCOTSClient: Unable to open socket for local
_X11TransOpen: transport open failed for local/kutsyy:0

waiting for X server to begin accepting connections 
XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: January 8 2000
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer
than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux 2.2.14-va.4.4-i586 i686 [ELF] 
Configured drivers:
  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1):
  NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
  RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256,
  GeForce DDR, Quadro, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i,
ET4000W32i_rev_b,
  ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b,
  ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1,
  wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128,
ati,
  sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597,
  sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540,
tvga8200lx,
  tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000,
  tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420,
tgui9420dgi,
  tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682,
  tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520,
  cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d,
cyberblade,
  clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429,
clgd5430,
  clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464,
clgd5465,
  clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542,
clgd7543,
  clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga,
mga2064w,
  mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400,
oti067,
  oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302,
ali2308,
  ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl,
ark1000pv,
  ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, s3_savage, s3_virge, AP6422,
AT24,
  AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200,
  ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546,
  ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct6, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200,
  ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740,
i740_pci,
  i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic
(using VT number 7)
XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(en_US)" (overrides other XKB settings)
(**) Mouse: type: IMPS/2, device: /dev/mouse, buttons: 5
(**) Mouse: zaxismapping: (-)4 (+)5
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Voodoo3"
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "ViewSonic G773"
(--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(

Re: mouse configuration

[David B . Harris]

This thread about mouse configuration got me to try to get 'gpm' and X
co-operating again, and I was successful this time. Let me explain my
setup.

I have a Logitech mouse of some sort, a Mouse Man Plus, I think. It's
got two buttons, plus a wheel that also acts as a third button(plus
up-and-down, which are in reality two more buttons, for a total of
five).

In my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, I had the mouse protocol set to
MouseManPlusPS/2, which worked well. I had full use of my wheel, etc.,
etc..

In my /etc/gpm.conf file, I had the mouse type set to "ps2", as there
existed no setting specifically for a Logitech Mouse Man Plus.

Normally, when gpm started before X, and X was configured to use
/dev/gpmdata, I had the use of the regular three buttons on my mouse,
but no wheel(which was really irritating). If I made X start first,
using /dev/psaux, and then killed X, started 'gpm', changed X to use
/dev/gpmdata, everything worked all right. Obviously something odd, eh?
:)

Well, I changed /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to use /dev/gpmdata, and using the
IMPS/2 protocol(Intellimouse PS/2). I also set the mouse type in
/etc/gpm.conf to 'imps2', also designed for the Intellimouse PS/2.

Now everything works great. I find it odd that using IMPS/2 everywhere
makes a difference; since /dev/gpmdata should be an exact duplication of
the mouse's data, but maybe there was some initialization thing going on
that my mouse didn't like.

Anyways, I'm sure this is mouse-dependant, but take it for what it's
worth :)

Dave

Re: X in startup

[N. Raghavendra]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:23:30AM -0800, Xucaen wrote:

> does this disable X? what if you still want to run X from the
> command line using startx?
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > after booting up press  F1 to go into a console
> > terminal.  logon as root.  cd /etc/rc2.d rm S??xdm  # or just
> > move it, if you dont want to delete it  shutdown -r now
> > worked for me this morning, anyway.

Hi,

What I have been doing to stop /etc/init.d/ scripts (like xdm)
from being executed at bootup is to put the line
exit 0
at the top of the file (as the first uncommented line). This
makes the script neatly exit without doing anything.

Cheers,
Raghavendra.

-- 
N. Raghavendra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Instead of loving your enemies,
Harish-Chandra Research Institute   | treat your friends
GnuPG public key at:| a little better.
http://riemann.mri.ernet.in/~raghu/ |   -- Edgar W. Howe

Re: mouse configuration

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:


Mithras wrote:








After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
discovered the mouse wasn't working.







Besides this mouse problem, I'd just like to say how *pleased* I've
been with Debian.  The default X environment (what I've been able to
see of it) and Xdm are gorgeous, and when I discovered that xdm & my
mouse problem conspired to keep me from a console or xterm prompt, I
really appreciated finding the shell prompt available from the boot
CD.





Some window managers (such as ICEWM) allow you to access the menu with a 
Ctrl-ESC key sequence; then you can arrow around and  to choose 
things from the menu, such as xterm. Alternatively, you can always 
CTRL-ALT-Fx to switch to the virtual terminal corresponding to "x" 
(CTRL-ALT-F1 will go to the first VT, CTRL-ALT-F2 to the second VT, 
etc). CTRL-ALT-F7 (in most cases) should get you back to X.


Kent

Re: docbook and pagesize

[Bob Bernstein]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:59:32PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>   - What tools to you use to produce output?  I've been using sgmltools,
> but am told jade is the preferred (or at least more powerful) route.

The scripts in sgmltools simply call jade. /usr/bin/sgmltools, from
sgmltools-2, is one such script. I use a Makefile to call jade as described
in Stephane's estimable HowTo. Then in Emacs, which with psgml is the only
way to do SGML that I know of, I can call make without leaving the editor.

Here's a typical Makefile:

html: newsite.sgml 
jade -t sgml -d newsite.dsl newsite.sgml

txt: newsite.sgml
jade -t sgml -V nochunks -d newsite.dsl newsite.sgml > dump.html
lynx -force_html -dump dump.html > newsite.txt

(I know, the dependencies aren't right, but what the heck.) 

> Also under the impression that one or more of sgmltools or
> sgmltools-light is no longer current.

I'm not sure either, but that package is no longer central to my DocBook
work. I think sgmltools-2 is current.

>   - How do you specify your customized environment?  How would I get
> DocBook to point to *my* customized stylesheets rather than the
> defaults?

You sort of don't. Your custom driver file will point to the correct DocBook
stylesheet. Here's a driver file I use, adapted from an old sgmltools
driver.


]>



 
;;
;;  This is the standard HTML stylesheet, which deviates only a little bit
;;  from the plain version.
;;
(define %html-ext% ".html")

(define %root-filename% "index")

(define %body-attr% 
;;  http://www.htmlgoodies.com/colors.html
;; What attributes should be hung off of BODY?
(list
;; (list "BGCOLOR" "#FFF8DC")
(list "BGCOLOR" "#F0")
(list "TEXT" "#00")))

;; turn this off!   
(define %shade-verbatim% #f)
(define %use-id-as-filename% #t)

(define %graphic-default-extension% "gif")
;; rem'd out by me:
  
  (define use-output-dir
  ;; If an output-dir is specified, should it be used?
  #t)
  
  (define %output-dir%
  ;; The directory to which HTML files should be written
  "newsite")

  (define %admon-graphics% #t)

;; added by me for snort:
;; (define %generate-article-toc% #t)

  ;; do we need this here?
  ;; (define $generate-chapter-toc$ 
  ;; Should a Chapter Table of Contents be produced?
  ;; (lambda ()
  ;;  (or (not nochunks)
  ;; (node-list=? (current-node) (sgml-root-element)

 (define nochunks
  ;; Suppress chunking of output pages
  #f)

 (define %gentext-nav-use-tables%
  ;; Use tables to build the navigation headers and footers?
  #t)

(define %spacing-paras%
  ;; Block-element spacing hack
  #t)

 (define %gentext-nav-tblwidth% 
  ;; If using tables for navigation, how wide should the tables be?
  "80%") 
  
 (define %stylesheet% "Oldstyle.css")
 (define %stylesheet-type% "text/css")
  






The next to last line above points the process at the DocBook stylesheets.
It depends on the catalog to find its way to the actual file.

>   - How about specifying multiple hardcopy output formats?

You can create different sections in your driver file, and then in the
Makefile have different make targets call those different sections using,
for instance, mydriver.dsl#print1, mydriver.dsl#print2, etc. where the
sections are denoted like


blah 
blah
blah


and then at the bottom the correct external specification




> I've been going through docbook docs up to my eyeballs, found  the
> Debian SGML/XML HOWTO, which is very useful but not well advertised, at:
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~bortz//SGML-HOWTO/

This is the one thing that more than ANYTHING else got me over my initial
learning curve hump with DocBook!

> While it does describe customization, it doesn't describe how to
> organize such customizations across a project or multiple projects.  I'd
> be interested in ideas on that.

For my money the use of Makefiles and custom driver files, along with
whatever directory structure makes sense for you, is the best way to go. I
tend to keep a given project and its Makefile and driver file in one
directory, along with the html output in a subdir under that same dir. This
also keeps track of psgml's saved parsed DTD's. (Don't do printing here.)

There is a lot of info in the docbook stylesheet docs but you kind of have
to eke it out. Norm gives an example of the driver file in his DocBook book
which is available online (somewhere). The docbook-apps list is a good place
to get an answer, often from Norm himself. Also debian-sgml.

-- 
Bob Bernstein
at
Esmond, Rhode Island, USA  

Re: mouse configuration

[Kent West]

Mithras wrote:


Excuse me if this question is really basic.

After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
discovered the mouse wasn't working.

It didn't move at all at first, and I found last night that /dev/mouse
was just symlinked to some weird device, but not ttyS0 like it should
(for my 3-button Logitech mouse).  When I started X, however, the
mouse moved only in occasionally sudden leaps to the left & downward,
while also sending imaginary mouse clicks (pop-up menus appeared).

Could I have chosen the wrong mouse device to link to?  I've heard
that GNOME can be sluggish, but this doesn't appear to be a system
grinding along (other symptoms, like hard drive activity, or slow
screen draws, are not evident).  (My cpu is an AMD K6 233, with 80M.)
I cleaned the mouse wheels, so it couldn't be that either.

Note: I did notice an X error on the console about accessing the mouse
after I quit last night, but alas I don't have that message written down.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Besides this mouse problem, I'd just like to say how *pleased* I've
been with Debian.  The default X environment (what I've been able to
see of it) and Xdm are gorgeous, and when I discovered that xdm & my
mouse problem conspired to keep me from a console or xterm prompt, I
really appreciated finding the shell prompt available from the boot
CD.  My past experience has been with old Red Hat & Slackware
distributions, which simply didn't look as *pretty* as Debian.
(Trivial perhaps, but it is somehow satisfying when your favorite
operating system doesn't look like a sow's ear.)

Thanks in advance,

ben taylor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.dhp.com/~mithras
716-586-0020 work, 716-256-2484 home, 716-233-3159 cell
174 Henrietta St. #2 / Rochester, NY 14620





If you want a mouse in the text-based console, you'll need to run gpm 
(apt-get install gpm, and/or run gpmconfig).


If you don't need the mouse in the console but you do want it in X, 
don't run gpm; this makes things simpler. You'll then tell X (via 
/etc/X11/XF86Config[-4]) to use the mouse found on /dev/ttyS0 for serial 
port one, or /dev/ttyS1 for serial port two, or /dev/psaux for a PS/2 
port mouse, etc.


If you want the mouse in both the text-based console and in X, you'll 
need to run gpm, and tell X to use /dev/gpmdata instead of /dev/ttyS0, 
etc. This allows gpm to gather the mouse data and pass it to X, instead 
of having X and gpm both fighting for the mouse data.


I've had setups where running gpm and having X point to the real device 
(/dev/ttyS0, etc) (or its link) work fine; I've had setups where trying 
to do this causes erratic or no mouse response (like you describe 
above). I've also had setups where having X look to /dev/gpmdata work; 
I've had setups where it didn't work. In my experience, getting your 
mouse to work is almost more of an art than a science.


What you might do if try running gpmconfig and getting the mouse to work 
in the console correctly with gpm. Once that's done, shut down gpm (run 
"/etc/init.d gpm stop") and try to get X working with the real device. 
Once that's done, shut down X, restart gpm ("/etc/init.d/gpm start"), 
and then try to get X to work with /etc/gpmdata.


Doing it step-by-step like this gives you more clues as to what may be 
going wrong than just trying to do it the correct way all in one step.


Wheel mice and USB mice are for another day . . . .

Kent

Inspiration & 2.4

[Rob Hudson]

I was inspired by this post at advogato
[http://www.advogato.org/article/224.html] and would like to test the
2.4 kernel.  I've tested ac patches and sent in bugs to Alan Cox and
he was quick to respond with a fix.  I have no idea how he does this
with the amount of email I'm sure he gets, but it is very cool.

I'm using an up to date potato.

Are there any docs for an upgrade path?  
Any advice from people who have done it? 

Thanks,
Rob

Re: GeForce2 MX, drivers, X4...

[Rob Hudson]

I installed X4.0.2 and the nVidia drivers 0.9-5.  Just take your time
and follow the steps in the docs that came with those packages and
things should work.  If you have an Asus P5A (what I have) or anything
with an ALi chipset, there are a few extra steps, but they work
nicely.

As of version 0.9-4, they have support for the GeForce MX chip.

I didn't get the errors you got.  I'd suspect you have some missing
libraries with your compiler.

The folks in #nvidia on irc.openprojects.net are a big help, BTW.

-Rob

> On 20010103.2252, Jonathan Markevich said ...
>
> Well, the price was right and I grabbed a GeForce2 MX card... now I have no
> X.  I understood X 3.3.x support was nil, so started an X4 upgrade...!
> 
> Now, I'm not sure how to proceed, I'm still downloading one packages,
> (xserver-xfree86), but if I understand correctly, I need to compile the
> kernel module and stuff.  Has anyone done this?
> 
> I try to compile the latest module (0.9-5) and get...
> 
> cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done
> cc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory
> make: *** [nv.o] Error 1
> 
> ?  I don't understand the error.  What just happened?  Do I really need to
> do this?  This is quite different...
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://www.geocities.com/jmarkevich
> == It's VIRUSES, not VIRII!  See http://language.perl.com/misc/virus.html ==
> 
> Concerning the war in Vietnam, Senator George Aiken of Vermont noted
> in January, 1966, "I'm not very keen for doves or hawks.  I think we need
> more owls."
>   -- Bill Adler, "The Washington Wits"
> 
> 
> -- 
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quake 2 server lists probs

[David Purton]

I've managed to install quake 2 and get it to run without too many
problems, but whenever I try to refresh the server list it complains
that the broadcast address of 224.1.0.0 is unreachable and no local
servers are displayed.

How can I get quake 2 to broadcast on my local network for available
servers instead of the above broadcast address?



Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars 
on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...

Francis A Schaeffer

David Purton

http://www.chariot.net.au/~dcpurton/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: fdisk program in MSDOS

[Kent West]

Michael Light wrote:

I just recently bought a debian software package and I've been reading 
the book 'Learning Debian GNU/Linux'.  I tried using the fdisk utility 
on my hard drive.  One of the things I've noticed is that on my menu 
there is no number 5. Change current fixed disk drive.  Is that 
necessary and what do I do if it is?


"Fixed disk drive" is alternative terminology for "hard drive". This 
option will only appear in MS-DOS's fdisk utility if there's more than 
one hard drive in your machine. By default the utility is set up to work 
with partitions on the first hard drive. In order to work with 
partitions on a second (third, etc) drive, you would then use the option 
5 to set "Change current fixed disk drive" so that instead of working on 
the first drive, it'd be working with the second (third, etc) one.


Be aware that there's also a Linux version of fdisk. It's more powerful 
than the MS-DOS version, but not quite as easy to work with. Debian also 
has another utility called cfdisk which is, in my opinion, the best 
utility for partitioning a drive in Linux.


As a general rule, you want to create/delete MS-DOS partitions with 
MS-DOS's fdisk, and you want to create/delete Linux partitions with one 
of the Linux  tools (fdisk, cfdisk, Redhat's DiskDruid, etc); in other 
words, you generally want to use the utility for the OS that you want to 
create/delete the partition for, whether that's DOS, or Linux, or Be, or 
OS/2, etc. So if you're going to have a dual-boot configuration, I'd 
suggest you use MS-DOS's fdisk to create the DOS partitions, leaving 
enough blank space for Linux partitions, which you should then create 
during the Linux installation using one of the Linux utilities.


Another gotcha that you might run into: you can only have 4 primary 
partitions  on an IDE drive (if you have SCSI, don't worry about it); so 
if you wanted, say, a C: and a D: drive in DOS/Windows, and a / and a 
/home and a swap file in Linux, all on the same IDE drive, you'd have to 
make at least one of these partitions an extended partition. If you're 
new to partitioning drives, and you're just starting out with Linux, 
you'll probably want to start out with just a single / (root) partition 
and a swap partition in Linux. Later, after you've wiped the drive and 
started over a couple of times (the best way to learn is to do it 
several times, a little differently each time), you can graduate to 
using multiple partitions, which is a good idea, especially on a 
production machine such as a server, but not particularly important (but 
still a good idea) on a home machine.


Kent

Package Config Diffs

[Fredrick Paul Eisele]

For system administration...
In order to reconstruct a system...
It is easy/rivial to get a list of all the instaned 
packages on a machine.
But, getting a list of the modified configuration 
files (presuming any modified file is 
a config file of some type) and the differences is 
a little harder.
I am thinging of extracting all files from a 
package into a scratch directory and
then comparing against what is actually installed, 
looping over all installed packages.
This seems a bit excessive, any 
suggestions?
 

Re: sound blaster live! 512

[Jerrud]

Hmmm I changed the permissions with the setting you specified, and 
added my user to those permissions, but I still get the same error. I`m 
wondering if i should boot to my old kernel if i want sound, and if i 
want to use my cd writer, to boot to my new kernel. that would be such a 

pain though

Do you think having support for my card compiled right into the kernel 
is what is making things go wrong? should i compile it as a module?

Jerrud

[jerlin@surfcity.com: Re: sound blaster live! 512]

[Jerrud]

- Forwarded message from Jerrud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Nope, all that is in my /var/log/syslog file are 3 entries

Jan  4 02:11:13 localhost syslogd 1.3-3#33.1: restart.
Jan  4 02:11:14 localhost anacron[173]: Job `cron.daily' terminated
Jan  4 02:11:14 localhost anacron[173]: Normal exit (1 jobs run)


thats it. nothing about sound. i wonder if thats good or bad ;-)

Jerrud 


On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:51:03 Andrea Vettorello wrote:
> romain lerallut wrote:
> 
> > have you tried the ESD output plugin instead of the OSS one ?
> >
> > [...]
> > such device
> >
> > Looks like I might have deeper problems than permissions...
> >
> > Have any ideas?
> >
> 
> Could you look in your "/var/log/syslog" for any messages like "modprobe: 
Can't
> locate module sound-slot-0"?
> 
> 
> Andrea
> 
> P.S. I suggested to a  friend of mine to compile the driver as a module 
after
> finding the messages "modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0" in
> "/var/log/syslog". This happened after he upgraded to 2.2.18. Sounds 
strange,
> but who knows, give a try...
> 
> 
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Re: Dell PERC RAID Controller

[Kevin Traas]

Oh, and I forgot to mention

I'm not subscribed to either of these mailing lists, so please be sure to
reply privately with any comments, questions, etc.

Regards,
Kevin


- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Traas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: Dell PERC RAID Controller


> Greetings everyone,
>
> After much frustration in trying to get Debian GNU/Linux (my distro of
> choice) installed on a Dell PowerEdge 2450, I've finally found success!
>
> My problem was finding kernel support for the onboard PERC 3/Si RAID
> Controller (Adaptec OEM chipset) so that I could store my root fs with a
> RAID array container.  Turns out that Adaptec has recently open-sourced
the
> driver; however, it hasn't been accepted into any of the Linux kernel
trees
> as of yet.  So, I tracked down the driver sources (many thanks to Matt),
> patched them (5 patches in total) into 2.2.18, and built my own, new patch
> file to incorporate the aacraid 1.0.6 driver into this kernel in one, easy
> step.
>
> For anyone who's interested, you'll find the patch, a patched 2.2.18
kernel
> source archive, Debian (potato) installation disk images (with this new
> kernel), and other info at:
>
> http://www.merilus.com/~kevin/aacraid.html
>
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Traas
> Chief Information Officer
> Merilus Technologies, Inc.  .:|| Thinking inside the box ||:.
>
>

Dell PERC RAID Controller

[Kevin Traas]

Greetings everyone,

After much frustration in trying to get Debian GNU/Linux (my distro of
choice) installed on a Dell PowerEdge 2450, I've finally found success!

My problem was finding kernel support for the onboard PERC 3/Si RAID
Controller (Adaptec OEM chipset) so that I could store my root fs with a
RAID array container.  Turns out that Adaptec has recently open-sourced the
driver; however, it hasn't been accepted into any of the Linux kernel trees
as of yet.  So, I tracked down the driver sources (many thanks to Matt),
patched them (5 patches in total) into 2.2.18, and built my own, new patch
file to incorporate the aacraid 1.0.6 driver into this kernel in one, easy
step.

For anyone who's interested, you'll find the patch, a patched 2.2.18 kernel
source archive, Debian (potato) installation disk images (with this new
kernel), and other info at:

http://www.merilus.com/~kevin/aacraid.html


Regards,
Kevin Traas
Chief Information Officer
Merilus Technologies, Inc.  .:|| Thinking inside the box ||:.

Re: LILO 0x40 ERROR when trying to multiboot freebsd and linux

[Christopher W. Aiken]

It's been a while since I used FreeBSD, but if I remember
correctly, you just set up your lilo.conf file for FreeBSD
the same way you do for a Winderz partition.

Try:
other=/dev/hdb3  <--- FreeBSD boot partition
label=freebsd

After you setup lio.conf, re-run lilo for corrections to
become active.

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Current O/S: Debian GNU/Linux 2.2_r2



On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Susumu Takuwa wrote:

->> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:50:47 -0500 (EST)
->  Walter Tautz writes:
->
->WT> NOTE: I can run linux with NO difficulty. I just can't get freebsd
->WT> to boot...maybe someone is trying to tell me something ;-)
->
->I suggest your using GNU GRUB. Maybe you can solve
->the problem. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
->
->regards,
->
->
->  Susumu Takuwa
->
->
->
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Re: SCSI challenge

[Dietmar Schultz]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:50:35PM -0800, David S. Bach wrote:

> What I cannot do yet is get Debian 2.2r2 to speak with my Advansys 
> SCSI card. Tied to it are a couple of gigabytes of storage I would be 

Which boot-floppy flavour did you use? Vanilla-boot-floppies have
advansys support included, there sould be some messages while kernel
boots. Compact seems to support it, too. Idepci doesn't, Udma66 has it
built as a module, so "modprobe advansys" should do something
sensible.

Might be, changeing to the right kernel helps, if you use the
idepci one. If it is udma66, add the line "advansys" to /etc/modules.

If this doesn't help much, say which card it is exactly you have
and/or look at the following addresses.

> What are my options to access the SCSI storage through the Advansys 
> card? Advansys claims to actively support Linux, but offers modules 
> only for Red Hat and Suse, which I can download - but, hey!, what do 
> I do with them?

Get the source and build your own kernel - if the card is not
supported by the actual kernel, but is with the latest driver.
 
> I almost always solve my Linux problems (I have two other vanilla PCs 
> running Linux as a gateway and a Web server) with man pages and 
> HOWTOs. But this has me stumped. Can anyone out there direct me to 
> the right resource?

Snipped from kernel 2.2.18 source:

/*
 * advansys.h - Linux Host Driver for AdvanSys SCSI Adapters
 *
 * Copyright (c) 1995-2000 Advanced System Products, Inc.
 * Copyright (c) 2000 ConnectCom Solutions, Inc.
 * All Rights Reserved.
 *
 * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
 * modification, are permitted provided that redistributions of source
 * code retain the above copyright notice and this comment without
 * modification.
 *
 * As of March 8, 2000 Advanced System Products, Inc. (AdvanSys)
 * changed its name to name to ConnectCom Solutions, Inc.
 *
 * There is an AdvanSys Linux WWW page at:
 *  http://www.connectcom.net/downloads/software/os/linux.html
 *  http://www.advansys.com/linux.html
 *
 * The latest released version of the AdvanSys driver is available at:
 *  ftp://ftp.advansys.com/pub/linux/linux.tgz
 *  ftp://ftp.connectcom.net/pub/linux/linux.tgz
 *
 * Please send questions, comments, bug reports to:
 *  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 */


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GeForce2 MX, drivers, X4...

[Jonathan Markevich]

Well, the price was right and I grabbed a GeForce2 MX card... now I have no
X.  I understood X 3.3.x support was nil, so started an X4 upgrade...!

Now, I'm not sure how to proceed, I'm still downloading one packages,
(xserver-xfree86), but if I understand correctly, I need to compile the
kernel module and stuff.  Has anyone done this?

I try to compile the latest module (0.9-5) and get...

cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done
cc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory
make: *** [nv.o] Error 1

?  I don't understand the error.  What just happened?  Do I really need to
do this?  This is quite different...

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Re: LILO 0x40 ERROR when trying to multiboot freebsd and linux

[Susumu Takuwa]

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:50:47 -0500 (EST)
Walter Tautz writes:

WT> NOTE: I can run linux with NO difficulty. I just can't get freebsd 
WT> to boot...maybe someone is trying to tell me something ;-)

I suggest your using GNU GRUB. Maybe you can solve
the problem. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/

regards,


Susumu Takuwa

Re: debian on a red hat system

[John Galt]

If you can't be helpful, be silent.

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Veit Waltemath wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:49:06PM -, Pat Woolley wrote:
> > Hi
> > I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I would like to be 
> > able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there are two 
> > ways possible. Convert debian to rpm or install dselect on my system.
> > 
> > Can you help with one or both of these solutions please.
> > 
> > Regards Pat Woolley
> > 
> Why do you want install debian packages on a rpm-system. The sense escapes me.
> 
> 

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Re: mouse configuration

[John Galt]

have you run gpmconfig recently?  That'd be the first step...

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mithras wrote:

> Excuse me if this question is really basic.
> 
> After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
> discovered the mouse wasn't working.
> 
> It didn't move at all at first, and I found last night that /dev/mouse
> was just symlinked to some weird device, but not ttyS0 like it should
> (for my 3-button Logitech mouse).  When I started X, however, the
> mouse moved only in occasionally sudden leaps to the left & downward,
> while also sending imaginary mouse clicks (pop-up menus appeared).
> 
> Could I have chosen the wrong mouse device to link to?  I've heard
> that GNOME can be sluggish, but this doesn't appear to be a system
> grinding along (other symptoms, like hard drive activity, or slow
> screen draws, are not evident).  (My cpu is an AMD K6 233, with 80M.)
> I cleaned the mouse wheels, so it couldn't be that either.
> 
> Note: I did notice an X error on the console about accessing the mouse
> after I quit last night, but alas I don't have that message written down.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Besides this mouse problem, I'd just like to say how *pleased* I've
> been with Debian.  The default X environment (what I've been able to
> see of it) and Xdm are gorgeous, and when I discovered that xdm & my
> mouse problem conspired to keep me from a console or xterm prompt, I
> really appreciated finding the shell prompt available from the boot
> CD.  My past experience has been with old Red Hat & Slackware
> distributions, which simply didn't look as *pretty* as Debian.
> (Trivial perhaps, but it is somehow satisfying when your favorite
> operating system doesn't look like a sow's ear.)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> ben taylor
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.dhp.com/~mithras
> 716-586-0020 work, 716-256-2484 home, 716-233-3159 cell
> 174 Henrietta St. #2 / Rochester, NY 14620
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [slightly OT] book recomendations?

[John Galt]

apt-get install ldp-nag;apt-get install ldp-sag :)


On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Xucaen wrote:

> Hi all,, there have been some mentions of books
> on the list, but nothing definitive...
> can anyone recomend a good system
> administration/network administration book?
> just curious to hear people's opinions.
> thanks!
> 
> 
> xucaen
> 
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> Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
> http://photos.yahoo.com/
> 
> 
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Opinions on the O'Reilly book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/

[Britton]

O'Reilly kernel book is pretty good, definately much better than Linux
Internals.

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Britton Kerin

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Ray Percival wrote:

> I assume you mean the O'Reilly Debian book. It is worth reading online
> the website not worth buying. There are a couple of books on the kernel
> one has all the source and comments (INAC so I have not looked at it)
> I also noticed that O'Reilly has a kernel book.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Walter Tautz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:41:50 -0500 (EST)
>
> >Has anyone read it and do you have an opinion on the least
> >painful way to learn about the kernel...reading the source
> >is presumably the only way if one really wants to get into
> >the heart of the matter?
> >
> >-walter
> >
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Re: debian on a red hat system

[John Galt]

use alien.  IIRC there is an RPM for it, look on rpmfind.

   alien --to-rpm package.deb
   Convert the package.deb into a package.rpm



On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Pat Woolley wrote:

> Hi
> I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I would like to be 
> able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there are two ways 
> possible. Convert debian to rpm or install dselect on my system.
> 
> Can you help with one or both of these solutions please.
> 
> Regards Pat Woolley
> 
> 

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boot problems

[D-Man]

I can't boot Debian the right way.  I use loadlin.exe to boot, thus I
copy my kernel images to C:\ so that loadlin can find them.  This has
worked fine for me with RH6.1 (custom kernel) and RH7.0 (stock
kernel).  I copied my Debian kernel to C:\, but loadlin tells me it's
not a kernel.  I can boot the Debian system if I use the RH kernel
(2.2.16).

Debian Potato, 2.2.17 idepci kernel

Any ideas as to why loadlin doesn't think the debian kernel is a
kernel?

Also, what is the proper command to upgrade the kernel?  I want to
upgrade to the "normal" kernel (I used the idepci kernel to do a
network install) and if I can I want to upgrade to 2.2.18.

Thanks,
-D

Internet for normal users & /usr/local

[Hammurabi Mendes]

I am doing some configuration now, and installing new programs, but I
would like not to desorganize the system or compromise the system
security, and I have 2 questions:

Is /usr/local the right place to put executables that are not controlled
by packages?

If some user is supposed to access internet, is secure add the user on
the "dip" group? (Or, was this group specially created for this
purpose?)


Thanks, 

   Hammurabi Mendes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Memory leakage

[D-Man]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:05:13PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 
> 
> $ fuser -v bigfile# show process(es) using bigfile
> $ fuser -vk bigfile   # kill process(es) using bigfile
> $ fuser -v bigfile# verify the kill worked
> $ cat /dev/null > bigfile # "empty" the file
> $ rm bigfile
> 
> In general, you want to *empty* a file (cat /dev/null > file) before you
> delete it, and you don't want to delete an open file.
> 

Why would you cat /dev/null into the file before removing it?

-D

Re: Installing KDE 2 using apt-get

[Bart Szyszka]

> > Please, do someone know how to install KDE 2 using apt-get?
>If you go to  you'll find details on adding a
> line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file which will allow you to install
> KDE2 in *.deb format.

You only need kde.tdyc.com if you use potato or something older.
Otherwise, KDE2 is included in Debian unstable.

- Bart

RE: Official Debian

[John Galt]

It was slink--it was part of the VA/SGI/ORA boxed set...

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:

> O'Reilly has a Debian book, I seem to recall it having a 2.1 cd in the jacket.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V101 #21

[Steve Cooper]

Debian worked out of the box for my with my Advansys card.  It seemed to be 
built into the kernel.  You shouldn't need to get anything from Advansys.

If you rebuild your kernel with generic SCSI and Advansys device support built 
in (not as modules) it should work with no additional hassle.  I'm not
near my Linux box or I'd get the precise kernel options.  Let me know if you 
need them.

Regards,
Steve
(working for somebody else in Redmond, WA)

> Subject: SCSI challenge
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:50:35 -0800
> From: "David S. Bach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> It's really nice to get X up with Debian. It really can be done in a
> single install (CAN be done, but maybe not the first try!).
>
> Anyway, I took the Windows computer that works as a backup for games
> and Word and installed 2.2r2 with X, and it looks and works great -
> no mouse problems, nice virtual screen, a nice environment.
>
> What I cannot do yet is get Debian 2.2r2 to speak with my Advansys
> SCSI card. Tied to it are a couple of gigabytes of storage I would be
> happy to turn over to Deb. Installing the SCSI module didn't help,
> and LILO cannot be coaxed into dual-booting Win95 on the first
> partition of the SCSI devices (though Windoze boots fine if I disable
> the IDE drive were Linux resides.
>
> What are my options to access the SCSI storage through the Advansys
> card? Advansys claims to actively support Linux, but offers modules
> only for Red Hat and Suse, which I can download - but, hey!, what do
> I do with them?
>
> I almost always solve my Linux problems (I have two other vanilla PCs
> running Linux as a gateway and a Web server) with man pages and
> HOWTOs. But this has me stumped. Can anyone out there direct me to
> the right resource?
>
> TIA,
>
> David Bach
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> Seattle, Washington
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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alsa software mixing

[Joey Hess]

I was astounded today when my laptop was able to play a mp3 while I was
running a game with sound effects. I don't use esound; I do use alsa
with the snd-card-ymfpci module. 

I didn't realize alsa did software mixing. This rules! Am I just
particularly lucky about the sound card in my laptop[1], or is this a
standard alsa feature for many cards?

-- 
see shy jo

[1] How ironic that would be, it was a bugger waiting for it to be
supported in alsa and then getting it working..

Re: Memory leakage

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:06:16PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> 
> 
> kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Try the following on each of your mounted partitions, starting at the
> > mount point:
> > 
> > $ du -sx * | sort -nr | cat -n | less
> > 
> > ...which will list out your largest directories, with usage sumarized,
> > in size order.  Track down where the storage seems to be going.
> > 
> 
> Thanks a lot. Following your indication I was able to determine what the
> problem was: About 2 weeks ago I had changed my /etc/ppp/options file,
> uncommenting debug and writting kdebug 7 (!!!)
> So, du -sx etcetera took me right away to
> /var/log, where I found 
> syslog 685016
> debug 684696
> kern.log 684592
> 
> rm them, rebooted and got back 2 gigs of space!
   
Not necessary.

Rather:

$ fuser -v bigfile  # show process(es) using bigfile
$ fuser -vk bigfile # kill process(es) using bigfile
$ fuser -v bigfile  # verify the kill worked
$ cat /dev/null > bigfile   # "empty" the file
$ rm bigfile

In general, you want to *empty* a file (cat /dev/null > file) before you
delete it, and you don't want to delete an open file.

> Lesson: BE very carefull implementing kdebug level 7 in /etc/ppp/options

You might also want to look at logrotate's options, which should manage
this for you.


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Re: rsync and harddisk memory dissapearence

[kmself]

on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:25:54PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> For a couple of days already I have been observing the following strange
> thing:
> I run
> rsync -v -etcetera kdesite:: /mnt/drC/kde_mirror
> Setting: drC is where /dev/hda1 is mounted. My linux runs from /dev/hdb
> Now, after just a couple of hours, my memory shows to be down by about
> 400 mb, which is impossible in a 36k dialup connection!!! Actually, it
  ^^
You are *not* talking about memory.  You're talking about disk storage.

> has never happened before.
> Any way, my kde mirror gets filled in hda1, but not by 400 mb! After a
> few these such, I am now down to about 1 mb free space!
> What can I do? Any ideas for things to check?

From /:

$ du -sx * | sort -nr

...then trace down through your large(r) partitions.

Also:

$ find / -mtime -1 -size +1000 -depth -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l

...which will list large(r) recently created files.


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Re: Installing KDE 2 using apt-get

[Randy Edwards]

> Please, do someone know how to install KDE 2 using apt-get?

   If you go to  you'll find details on adding a
line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file which will allow you to install
KDE2 in *.deb format.

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Re: docbook and pagesize

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:40:24PM -0500, Bob Bernstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:50:51PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> > /usr/lib/sgml/stylesheet/dssl/docbook/nwalsh/print/dbparam.dsl
> 
> In your custom dssl driver file put:
> 
> (define %paper-type%
> ;; Name of paper type
> "A4")
> 
> The DocBook stylesheet documentation lists these characteristics.
> 
> 'dbparam.dsl' is the right file, but it is a bad practice to alter the files
> in the distribution; much better to place customizations in your own driver
> file. For a start at creating one of these I use one from the sgmltools
> package, for instance 
> 
> /usr/lib/sgml/stylesheet/dssl/sgmltools/print.dsl 
> 
> copying it into my home directory and adding my changes to it, rather than
> to the distribution's files.

Thanks, Bob.

Couple of questions since you stuck your neck out (again):

  - What tools to you use to produce output?  I've been using sgmltools,
but am told jade is the preferred (or at least more powerful) route.
Also under the impression that one or more of sgmltools or
sgmltools-light is no longer current.  Not sure which I've got on my
system.  Hmmm...looks like I've got sgmltools-2 on my production
system, and there's a zh-sgmltools, if I need to do any
Chinese-language output (not likely).

  - How do you specify your customized environment?  How would I get
DocBook to point to *my* customized stylesheets rather than the
defaults?

  - How about specifying multiple hardcopy output formats?  We service
both US and European/overseas users, and it would be nice to have
both US Letter and A4 formatted postscript and PDF files.  Any
convenient way to do this?

I've been going through docbook docs up to my eyeballs, found  the
Debian SGML/XML HOWTO, which is very useful but not well advertised, at:

http://people.debian.org/~bortz//SGML-HOWTO/

While it does describe customization, it doesn't describe how to
organize such customizations across a project or multiple projects.  I'd
be interested in ideas on that.

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Re: Memory leakage

[Antonio Rodriguez]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:


> 
> Try the following on each of your mounted partitions, starting at the
> mount point:
> 
> $ du -sx * | sort -nr | cat -n | less
> 
> ...which will list out your largest directories, with usage sumarized,
> in size order.  Track down where the storage seems to be going.
> 

Thanks a lot. Following your indication I was able to determine what the
problem was: About 2 weeks ago I had changed my /etc/ppp/options file,
uncommenting debug and writting kdebug 7 (!!!)
So, du -sx etcetera took me right away to
/var/log, where I found 
syslog 685016
debug 684696
kern.log 684592

rm them, rebooted and got back 2 gigs of space!
Lesson: BE very carefull implementing kdebug level 7 in /etc/ppp/options
Thanks again,
Antonio.

SCSI challenge

[David S. Bach]

It's really nice to get X up with Debian. It really can be done in a 
single install (CAN be done, but maybe not the first try!).


Anyway, I took the Windows computer that works as a backup for games 
and Word and installed 2.2r2 with X, and it looks and works great - 
no mouse problems, nice virtual screen, a nice environment.


What I cannot do yet is get Debian 2.2r2 to speak with my Advansys 
SCSI card. Tied to it are a couple of gigabytes of storage I would be 
happy to turn over to Deb. Installing the SCSI module didn't help, 
and LILO cannot be coaxed into dual-booting Win95 on the first 
partition of the SCSI devices (though Windoze boots fine if I disable 
the IDE drive were Linux resides.


What are my options to access the SCSI storage through the Advansys 
card? Advansys claims to actively support Linux, but offers modules 
only for Red Hat and Suse, which I can download - but, hey!, what do 
I do with them?


I almost always solve my Linux problems (I have two other vanilla PCs 
running Linux as a gateway and a Web server) with man pages and 
HOWTOs. But this has me stumped. Can anyone out there direct me to 
the right resource?


TIA,

David Bach
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A true person of no rank

Re: Tracking down IP's

[Nate Duehr]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:30:25PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote:
> Either way, it's still a private IP address range.  NOBODY should let
> packets with one of these addresses, either as source or destination, cross
> a network boundary.  If the ISP is getting this traffic from its upstrea
> provider, it should configure the router between it and the provider to
> drop all private address ranges, and let the provider know it's leaking
> private IPs.

Hmmm.  Wish my ISP followed those rules.  I can root around their
10.x.x.x network without problems.  And a friend on Qwest/USWest was
able to do the same.  I originally became curious about it when I
realized that traces outbound show the 10.x.x.x network and my DSL
device is configured in a layer-2 bridging mode. 

Someone was VERY lazy in their network design meetings.  Tsk tsk.

Betcha' the router jocks at both places have CCNA certifcations
or higher from Cisco too.  Boy howdy!

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Re: Tracking down IP's

[Nate Duehr]

Looks like HP OpenView or some other network management tool with
auto-discovery turned on is wasting bandwidth on your corporate network.

(And I say that because...)

161 is SNMP's port number.
It's happening at regular intervals.
172.16.0.0/20 is private address space reserved IP's.

And...

I've seen the same thing in my logs at work when someone misconfigured
HP OpenView.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 12:16:59PM -0700, JD Kitch wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what this person is looking for here, and how I
> can find out where this is coming from?
> 
> Security Violations
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Dec 31 11:06:47 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7632 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> Dec 31 11:06:53 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7712 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> Dec 31 11:06:59 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7713 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> Dec 31 11:07:06 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7716 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> Dec 31 11:07:13 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7724 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> Dec 31 11:07:19 tower kernel: Packet log: output REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 
> xx.xx.xxx.xx:61662 172.16.72.113:161 L=106 S=0x00 I=7725 F=0x T=127 (#43)
> 
> I've been unable to track it down.  I've had pages and pages of this
> every hour since early yesterday, always coming from the same IP, to
> the same port.
> 
> TIA,
> jdk

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Re: Imac CD install problem

[Nate Duehr]

You may want to subscribe to the debian-powerpc (or is it debian-ppc?)
mailing list and ask questions there.  You're much more likely to hit
someone who's knowledgeable about the iMac platform there.

I've been (very very slowly) gathering some information about how to
load Debian on my new iMac DV SE, and have run across a number of issues
that the folks there have been very helpful in trying to track down.
Linux on the PPC platform is a whole new ballgame for me, but it's fun.

If you want "seamless" or relatively easy Linux installations on PPC,
the recent reviews of the LinuxPPC distribution have been encouraging.
Personally, I will probably continue fighting through trying to get
Debian installed.

I haven't really gotten very excited about OSX yet, but I do spend some
time in that strange environment these days messing around with it and
seeing what I can break on purpose.  I don't think I can stomach their
licensing and strange way they're doing devel on Darwin at Apple and
keeping some of it closed-source, and some open-source.  Very odd.

On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:47:12PM -0500, Dippy Black wrote:
> I am trying to install debian 2.2 from the CD on my Imac DV (slotloading). I
> burned the CD myself. It boots okay and enters the install process.
> 
> The problem arises after Install Op System Kernel and Modules. I choose cdrom.
> It then says, Please choose path inside the cdrom where the Debian Archive
> resides. It defaults to /instmt.  Clicking okay it does nothing. I then tried
> just listing from root. It then gives me 2 options: list and manual. I try 
> list
> and it reports that it can not find a directory on the cd containing file
> rescue.bin.  I then try manual and have tried several trees here.  the one 
> that
> would seem appropriate is
> /dists/potato/main/disks-powerpc/2.2.16-2000-07-26/powermac/images-1.44/rescue.bin
> 
> This does not seem acceptable either. Any help  would be appreciated. Sorry if
> this has been covered before. I could find nothing at the web site. I tried 
> IRC
> and there was no one that could help there. 
> 
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Re: Problems with kernel recompiling

[David Benfell]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 01:40:36AM -0500, Vadim Kutsyy wrote:
> 
> I want to recompile the kernel.  I config and compiling went without any
> problem (I am trying 2.2.18pre21 static on woody).  Hwever, when I am
> restrarting computer, Xserver starts, but gdm doesn't, so all what I am
> getting is gray screen whithout anything at all.  
> 
The only way this could be a kernel issue is if you misconfigured the
kernel and left out some modules that X (or gdm) needs.  I'm having a
hard time imagining that gdm would need any special kernel modules.
I can imagine, depending on your hardware (e.g. Intel i810e) that you
might have left out some modules that X would need.  But X starts; I
think that rules this possibility out.

It's been modutils that's been breaking with newer versions of both
2.2 and 2.4 kernels and causing the most havoc.  Again, it's hard to
see how that could come in to play here.

I would suggest going through Documentation/Changes in the kernel
source tree and making sure that all other required software packages
are up to date.

Once you've ruled all that out, we're left with gdm which shouldn't,
in itself, care too much which version of the kernel it's running
under.  Try booting your old kernel and confirm that gdm still comes
up under it.  If it does, I would argue that this is a gdm bug and
should be reported as such.

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Re: Many install questions

[Bob Nielsen]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:40:04PM -0800, David B. Small wrote:
> I haven't been able to find an "install-help" list.  If I've sent this
> to the wrong list, I'll be happy to resend to a different one.
> 
> I have a well-aged Dell Dimension with, among other things, a Promise
> UDMA-66 card and an old CDROM drive.
> 
> I was given 3 CD's of the potato release, and I intended to install
> this alongside W98  (this disk is already partitioned).
> By moving the UDMA-66 drive to the onboard EIDE controler, I was able
> to install from CD's (though it took several hours, either because the
> CDROM drive gave Read errors, or becasue the CD's were bad...I suspect
> both.), use APT to change the kernel to one friendlier to my Promise
> controller, adjust LILO and /etc/vfstab, and get things
> to---sort-of---work.  There were all sorts of s/w missing, that I'd
> have expected.  I tried adding packages from Corel Linux, to fix this,
> which was a mistake.  So, now I'm starting over.
> 
> Here are my questions (in decreasing order of importance to me)
> 
> 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it
> likely mine are bad.

I would expect that commercially-produced CD's are most likely good. 
If they were made with CD-R or (especially) CD-RW there might be some
read problems.  I just did a potato (2.2r2) installation from CD-R and
had no problems.

> 
> 2) Is it possible to install directly to the UDMA drive, on the
> promise.  (Stated differently:  can I make an "install" diskette using
> the kernel with IDE patches?)

Yes.
 
> 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I
> installed?  (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there
> recommendations?  Eazel/Nautilus?  Konqueror?  Others?

mc, gmc

> 
> 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager?  (or is apt-get/dpkg
> the only way to go?)

dselect, aptitude

> 
> 5) Is there a printer adder/control panel (a la Corel Linux's)?  If
> it's not standard, is there one other folks can recommend?

I use magicfilter + lprng.  woody has printtool.

> 
> 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system?
> (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS)

kernel-2.2.18 has some USB support backported from 2.4.  I don't know
exactly what devices are supported.

Bob

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Opinions on the O'Reilly book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/

[Ray Percival]

I assume you mean the O'Reilly Debian book. It is worth reading online
the website not worth buying. There are a couple of books on the kernel
one has all the source and comments (INAC so I have not looked at it)
I also noticed that O'Reilly has a kernel book. 


-- Original Message --
From: Walter Tautz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:41:50 -0500 (EST)

>Has anyone read it and do you have an opinion on the least
>painful way to learn about the kernel...reading the source
>is presumably the only way if one really wants to get into
>the heart of the matter? 
>
>-walter
>
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Re: Many install questions

[David B . Harris]

I'll try to help where I can :)

To quote "David B. Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# 1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it
# likely mine are bad.

I can't say for sure - I only used one CD, but it went flawlessly(after
I figured out how to get through the install process ;).

# 3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I
# installed?  (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there
# recommendations?  Eazel/Nautilus?  Konqueror?  Others?

Come to think of it, I don't think there is. However, I do have some
suggestions.
a) 'mc': Console app, very popular.
b) 'gmc': GNOME version of 'mc', also fairly popular. Ageing technology,
will be replaced by Nautilus as soon as is feasible.
c) 'konqueror': KDE file manager, does HTML fairly well(I use it as my
daily browser). Fairly stable, but not terribly feature-full as a file
manager. Think Windows Explorer.
d) 'dfm': Old, but still useful. Light on resources, uses X. I use it
for desktop icons(when I need them).
e) 'nautilus': Unstable and slow, but very very pretty. Will use Mozilla
for HTML, with appropriate decrease in stability and decrease in speed.
f) 'filerunner': 'mc'-like, uses X and Tcl/Tk(or just Tk, dunno for
sure). I used this for a fair while. Powerful and easy to use.
g) 'emelfm': Like 'filerunner', but more up-to-date, and uses GTK+ as
its widget set. When don't use command-line tools, this is what I use.

# 4) Should there have been a GUI package manager?  (or is apt-get/dpkg
# the only way to go?)

More options:
a) 'dselect': Old and difficult to use for most.
b) 'console-apt': Also known as 'capt', relatively easy-to-use. I use
this for the most part. Console based.
c) 'gnome-apt': GNOME frontend to 'apt'. Not entirely bug-free, but
useful nevertheless.
d) 'stormpkg': GTK+/GNOME-based package manager. I find it very useful.
Similar interface to console-apt. When I'm going to be working on
package management for more than three minutes, this is what I use.

# 6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system?
# (It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS)

I don't know for sure, but kernel 2.2.18 *does* have support for USB.
Never had to use it myself, though. I imagine the hardest part would be
to get X to use the right device/protocol.

Hope I helped,

Dave

Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Steve Cooper]

When I try to run gnomecc it crashes out of X and returns me to my KDM prompt.  
Is Gnome currently broken under Woody?

==
Steve Cooper
(working for somebody else in Redmond, WA)

>
> Subject: Re: Helix gnome control center freezes
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:31:20 +0100
> From: Paolo Pedaletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Seung-woo Nam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Salve Seung-woo Nam,
>
> > Has anyone had the same problem?
>
> me too :-(
>
> --
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Many install questions

[David B. Small]

I haven't been able to find an "install-help" list.  If I've sent this
to the wrong list, I'll be happy to resend to a different one.

I have a well-aged Dell Dimension with, among other things, a Promise
UDMA-66 card and an old CDROM drive.

I was given 3 CD's of the potato release, and I intended to install
this alongside W98  (this disk is already partitioned).
By moving the UDMA-66 drive to the onboard EIDE controler, I was able
to install from CD's (though it took several hours, either because the
CDROM drive gave Read errors, or becasue the CD's were bad...I suspect
both.), use APT to change the kernel to one friendlier to my Promise
controller, adjust LILO and /etc/vfstab, and get things
to---sort-of---work.  There were all sorts of s/w missing, that I'd
have expected.  I tried adding packages from Corel Linux, to fix this,
which was a mistake.  So, now I'm starting over.

Here are my questions (in decreasing order of importance to me)

1) Have other folks had trouble installing from potato CD's, or is it
likely mine are bad.

2) Is it possible to install directly to the UDMA drive, on the
promise.  (Stated differently:  can I make an "install" diskette using
the kernel with IDE patches?)

3) Should there have been a file manager/explorer included, when I
installed?  (There wasn't...if none come standard, are there
recommendations?  Eazel/Nautilus?  Konqueror?  Others?

4) Should there have been a GUI package manager?  (or is apt-get/dpkg
the only way to go?)

5) Is there a printer adder/control panel (a la Corel Linux's)?  If
it's not standard, is there one other folks can recommend?

6) How can I get my Logitech USB mouse to work with this system?
(It's less important, since I still have a psaux mouse from MS)

Thanks for any help folks can offer,
---
David B. Small
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: VPN client software for Linux

[Nate Duehr]

Be very careful doing this.  You're connecting a "relatively insecure"
environment for many people (home network) directly inside your
corporate firewall.  If you're big enough to have a legal department,
ask them to try to write something specific that your end-users have to
sign -- but it still won't protect you from their mistakes. 

And the real fun is watching the legal department have kittens.  :)

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 12:07:55PM -, Diarmuid Drew wrote:
> My employer uses Checkpoint Firewall 1 and I use VPN-1 SecureClient as a VPN
> client on windows. The checkpoint site says linux FreeSWAN is compatible.
> I'd like to be able to use Linux, has anybody got any experience of FreeSWAN
> ?
> 
> Derm.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Timothy C. Phan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:57 PM
> Subject: VPN client software for Linux
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> >   Is there any VPN client software for Linux? TIA!
> >
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Re: [slightly OT] book recomendations?

[Mike]

Mithras wrote:
> I'm also looking for a book, a late Xmas gift for my dad who's been
> getting into Linux.  I'm confident he has enough newbie literature to
> help him when I'm not around (I last recommended Thinking Unix to
> him), so I thought a book about the free software culture would be
> good for him now.  Wasn't a book about the history of free software
> reviewed on /. a few months ago?

O'Reilly put out a book called "Open Sources" early 1999 - there may have
been another edition by now.  It's a collection of essays from folks that
are involved in open source - Bruce Perens, Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond,
Richard Stallman, Larry Wall, and a whole bunch more.  I don't know if this
is the one you're thinking of, but it's an entertaining read.
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Parallel Printer Port Problem

[Jeffrey S. Coppock]

Anyone,

I recently got the newest Dell Latitude CPx laptop and I've installed it with 
stable 2.2.18.  I've got about everything worked out but the sound and the 
parallel printer port.  I need help with the parport.  It won't work.  Here's 
everything I can think of to help:

- parport and parport_pc support are compiled into the kernel as modules
- parallel printer is compiled as well with printer readback turned on.
- modprobe shows the following:

root-bash# modprobe -d parport
=
Module parport
kname parport
objkey parport
names: parport
mode: NORMAL
Module matching parport: /lib/modules/2.2.18-3/misc/parport.o
=

- syslog has this to say:

Jan  2 18:21:35 localhost kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) 
[SPP,ECP,ECPPS2]
Jan  2 18:21:35 localhost kernel: parport_probe: failed
Jan  2 18:21:35 localhost kernel: parport0: no IEEE-1284 device present.
Jan  2 18:21:35 localhost kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).

* I think that printer readback is the 1284 thing.

any help is appreciated...jc

Re: System.map irritation

[David Benfell]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:31:41AM -0500, David B . Harris wrote:
> 
> To quote Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> # well i also used gcc-2.95.2 as that is also what is in potato.
> # 
> # i should note one other detail, i build the kernel on straight potato
> # (with potato modutils) and install the package on a different machine
> # that has upgraded modutils.  but i don't see how that could make any
> # difference as modutils are not used during building AFAIK.
> 
> There are a number of things the kernel uses modutils and friends for -
> either at build time, or run-time. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes
> tells us what version we want. I've had a few difficult-to-track bugs
> that were the result of bad versions of some of those utilities.
> 
If it is modutils, please note the following from
Documentation/Changes:

Modutils


Upgrade to recent modutils to fix various outstanding bugs which are
seen more frequently under 2.3.x, and to enable auto-loading of USB
modules.  In addition, the layout of modules under
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ has been made more sane.  This change also
requires that you upgrade to a recent modutils.

and from the current minimal requirements in the above:

o  modutils   2.3.18  # insmod -V

Various sorts of module related questions are now frequently asked on
the kernel list.  I don't have a Debian installation at hand to check
the current version, but I would definitely check this.

> With everyone's permission, I'm going to bring this to the kernel guys'
> attention. I've ruled out any "easy" fixes on this end; I think it's a
> kernel problem. A fresh build of 2.2.17 does not cause the error, while
> 2.2.18 does. I've also heard reports that test12 had the error, where
> test11 and prelease didn't.
> 
Saying 2.2.18 makes it sound like a modutils issue.  However, newer
versions of modutils have now been required for several test kernels.

> So, are we agreed that we should bother the kernel guys?
> 
I would suggest ruling out the modutils version issue first.

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Re: debian on a red hat system

[Brian May]

> "Veit" == Veit Waltemath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Veit> Why do you want install debian packages on a rpm-system. The
Veit> sense escapes me.

Probably because Debian has packages that rpm doesn't???

(of course, the next obvious question is: why not install Debian
instead? I suspect this may not be an option for some for
non-technical reasons, eg. company policy).
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Re: howto tell cron run last day of month

[Rick]

check out the GNU date function.  I know that you can specify 'yesterday'
and believe that you can 'tomorrow' as well, so if tomorrow is the first,
then today is the last.  Sorry, I'm on a solaris box with boring date and
it doesn't do that to my knowledge.

rick

Nate Duehr writes:

> Would midnight on the 1st work?  Just a thought.
> 
> There's no situations I can think of where the first of the month
> doesn't exist in most locales, since daylight savings changes officially
> at 2 AM in places that do that.
> 
> (like here... grrr)
> 
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:12:21PM +0200, Jaume Teixi wrote:
> > I run a cron script 27-31
> > then inside the script i need to check if it this last day of month
> > 
> > how to check this ?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > jaume.
> > 
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Re: Network Throughput

[Philipp Schulte]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:37:56PM -0500, Tim Sailer wrote: 

> I have a Debian box with 2 NICs. Both 100Meg, running in full duplex. This
> machine is running as a ftp proxy. As part of the traffic going through the
> box, some streams have 1000k window size for a certain reason. How do
> I tune the NICs to handle the streams better? There are ways of doing this
> on other OSs. Right now, the box only does about 1.8Mb when it should be doing
> 80+Mb.

I guess you are mixing up MBit and MByte. 
Phil

Re: glibc devel info pages

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Wednesday, January 3, Ben Collins did write:

> On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:37:44PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> > > "Ben" == Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > Ben> By default, __USE_GNU is defined. If you want to define it
> > 
> > (perhaps you meant "...is undefined"???)
> > 
> > Ben> explicitly, then use -D_GNU_SOURCE in your CFLAGS.
> > 
> > It doesn't seem to be the case here:
> > 
> > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include-g -O2 -Wall -c -o 
> > > main.o main.c
> > main.c: In function `xmlparse_file':
> > main.c:14: warning: implicit declaration of function `asprintf'
> > 
> > 
> > >gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include-g -O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE 
> > >-Wall -c -o main.o main.c
> > [no warnings]
> > 
> > So it looks like I have to define _GNU_SOURCE explicitly in order to
> > get rid of the warning.
> 
> No, __USE_GNU is defined, unless one of the other _XXX_SOURCE macros are
> also defined (like _SVID_SOURCE or _XOPEN_SOURCE, or similar). Most
> likely the program you are compiling is defining one of these aswell. In
> that case, yes, you do have to define _GNU_SOURCE explicitly.

Hm.  Seems to be a bug somewhere, then:

[minbar:~]$ cat foo.cc
#include 
int main() { return 3 ; }
[minbar:~]$ g++ -E -dM foo.cc | grep USE_GNU
[minbar:~]$ g++ -E -dM -D_GNU_SOURCE foo.cc | grep USE_GNU
#define __USE_GNU 1 

(The -E -dM stuff simply prints out all known preprocessor macros rather
than compiling the file.)

Stock potato install.

Richard

Re: Quick questions

[Jon Pennington]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I was wondering, could you get a base Debian system installed by
> downloading from /dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/:
> 
> base2_2.tgz
> images-1.44/rescue.bin
> images-1.44/root.bin
> 
> Then install the rest of the system when I get networking configured?
>

I tried this just last night, and it worked.  I mounted the new
partition on /mnt, chroot'ed to that point, ran lilo, and it worked.  I
was running a fully-funcional debian system at the time; don't know how
this affected my success.  YMMV.

> Also, how do you rebuild the package listings?  Is there a quick way of
> rebuilding Packages and Packages.gz?

 $ apt-get update

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Re: howto tell cron run last day of month

[Nate Duehr]

Would midnight on the 1st work?  Just a thought.

There's no situations I can think of where the first of the month
doesn't exist in most locales, since daylight savings changes officially
at 2 AM in places that do that.

(like here... grrr)

On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:12:21PM +0200, Jaume Teixi wrote:
> I run a cron script 27-31
> then inside the script i need to check if it this last day of month
> 
> how to check this ?
> 
> thanks,
> jaume.
> 
> 
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Quick questions

[arthur]

I was wondering, could you get a base Debian system installed by
downloading from /dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/:

base2_2.tgz
images-1.44/rescue.bin
images-1.44/root.bin

Then install the rest of the system when I get networking configured?

Also, how do you rebuild the package listings?  Is there a quick way of
rebuilding Packages and Packages.gz?


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Re: docbook and pagesize

[Bob Bernstein]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:50:51PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> /usr/lib/sgml/stylesheet/dssl/docbook/nwalsh/print/dbparam.dsl

In your custom dssl driver file put:

(define %paper-type%
;; Name of paper type
"A4")

The DocBook stylesheet documentation lists these characteristics.

'dbparam.dsl' is the right file, but it is a bad practice to alter the files
in the distribution; much better to place customizations in your own driver
file. For a start at creating one of these I use one from the sgmltools
package, for instance 

/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheet/dssl/sgmltools/print.dsl 

copying it into my home directory and adding my changes to it, rather than
to the distribution's files.


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Network Throughput

[Tim Sailer]

I have a Debian box with 2 NICs. Both 100Meg, running in full duplex. This
machine is running as a ftp proxy. As part of the traffic going through the
box, some streams have 1000k window size for a certain reason. How do
I tune the NICs to handle the streams better? There are ways of doing this
on other OSs. Right now, the box only does about 1.8Mb when it should be doing
80+Mb.

Thanks,
Tim

PS: This is really something to do with the window size and WAN latency.
The box does well when traffic goes in one NIC and out the other, as long
as the end point is local When it hits the WAN, it all dies. Traffic not
going through the box just flies rignt along.

-- 
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Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001

Re: Official Debian

[Larry Shields]

Hello John,

I have the same book Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, but never used the CD that came
with it...
I ordered a CD from http://www.Libranet.com, it comes with a full year of
Support Help, not any other vendor I know does this...
I will say this though, there CD was a snap to Install Debian, so before you
do anything I'd check out there Website...

Larry

Re: [slightly OT] book recomendations?

[Mithras]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Xucaen wrote:

> Hi all,, there have been some mentions of books
> on the list, but nothing definitive...
> can anyone recomend a good system
> administration/network administration book?
> just curious to hear people's opinions.
> thanks!

Myself, I've always liked the Unix System Administration Handbook, by
Nemeth, Snyder & Seebass.  I noticed new edition recently came out to
cover Linux, and it has cute cartoons. :-)

I'm also looking for a book, a late Xmas gift for my dad who's been
getting into Linux.  I'm confident he has enough newbie literature to
help him when I'm not around (I last recommended Thinking Unix to
him), so I thought a book about the free software culture would be
good for him now.  Wasn't a book about the history of free software
reviewed on /. a few months ago?

thanks,

ben

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Re: Memory leakage

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:44:45PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> 
> 
> kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > 
> > on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:34:09AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > In a case of permanent memory loss (hard disk), w/o apparent reason,
> > 
> > "Memory loss" and "hard disk" don't make sense.
> 
> Memory in the sense of storage space, in the hard disk.
>  
> > Are you talking about memory (RAM) issues, or have you lost data or
> > partitions on you hard drive?
> > Did you delete an open file?  If you delete a file while another program
> > is writing to it, the space is not reallocated until the writing process
> > is terminated.  In this case, you may be able to locate the open process
> > with:
> > 
> >   - lsof
> >   - ps
> > 
> > If lsof shows the process, you can kill it.  Otherwise, switching to
> > single user mode, or as a last resort, rebooting the system, may reset
> > things.
> 
> rebooting did not fix it. That was the first thing I did.

Try the following on each of your mounted partitions, starting at the
mount point:

$ du -sx * | sort -nr | cat -n | less

...which will list out your largest directories, with usage sumarized,
in size order.  Track down where the storage seems to be going.

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Re: docbook and pagesize

[kmself]

on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:31:54PM +0100, Remco van 't Veer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I get sgmltools-2 to output my docbook article in a4 format?  I
> always end up with a BBox size document.  My /etc/papersize reads a4
> though.

I'm still getting the hang of this myself, but I believe you want to
look at:

/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheet/dssl/docbook/nwalsh/print/dbparam.dsl

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Re: Upgrade from Mandrake

[Glyn Millington]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:38:47PM -0800, thus spake Miguel Pengson:
> Hi,
> 
> I am running Mandrake 7.1 and would like to install Debian 2.2. I read the 
> Upgrading Your linux Distribution mini-HOWTO at ldp but it seems a little 
> dated(96), any pointers?


You will need to perform a  new install of Debian 2.2 - moving from Mandrake
to Debian isn't an upgrade, it's a whole new life!  BUT  if you have "home"
mounted on a separate partition then the installation process will allow you
to  simply to mount it rather than format it.  

You should back up as much as you can  before you start...

Good luck - it is worth the effort!

Glyn M 

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Re: Gcc broken. How to fix?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

matthschulz wrote:
> 
> Say dpkg -i _package-name_
> 
> Replace _package-name_ with the full name of the .deb file.
> 

Its not that simple. Have another look at the output below. The 
libtool package is installed its just thats its failing during 
configuration.

Thanks anyway for the help.

Erik

> Matth
> 
> On Mittwoch,  3. Januar 2001 14:02, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I had a crash on my laptop (battery died) which has left
> > me with a broken GCC.
> >
> > I tried uninstalling and reinstalling task-c-dev but now
> > I get the following:
> >
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED] > apt-get install task-c-dev
> >   Reading Package Lists... Done
> >   Building Dependency Tree... Done
> >   Sorry, task-c-dev is already the newest version
> >   0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> >   1 packages not fully installed or removed.
> >   Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> >   Setting up libtool (1.3.3-9.1) ...
> >   Configuring libtool...
> >   Configuration name missing.
> >   Usage: ./config.sub CPU-MFR-OPSYS
> >   or ./config.sub ALIAS
> >   where ALIAS is a recognized configuration type.
> >   dpkg: error processing libtool (--configure):
> >subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> >   Errors were encountered while processing:
> >libtool
> >   E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> >
> > Does anybodu have any idea of how to fix this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Erik

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Upgrade from Mandrake

[Miguel Pengson]

Hi,

I am running Mandrake 7.1 and would like to install Debian 2.2. I read the 
Upgrading Your linux Distribution mini-HOWTO at ldp but it seems a little 
dated(96), any pointers?

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Re: mouse configuration

[Mithras]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, David B.Harris wrote:

> To quote Mithras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> # Excuse me if this question is really basic.

I wonder now if I showed naivete' by suggesting mouse configuration
should be simple! :-)

> # After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
> # discovered the mouse wasn't working.
> 
> I think the problem is 'gpm'. I know it is possible to have 'gpm' and X
> share the mouse, but I've never found a way(and to all those who are
> reading this; /dev/gpmdata isn't sufficient). You might want to consider
> stopping 'gpm', by doing a '/etc/init.d/gpm stop', and see if you X
> mouse problems go away. If they do, you might try to disable 'gpm' from
> being started at boot time by using the 'update-rc.d' script.

Yes!  That was the 'odd device' I saw /dev/mouse linked to,
/dev/gpmdata.  I've spent some time now studying this 'gpm', and I
imagine that it could be destructive of or interfering with the serial
port device, which would explain the erratic behavior I observed last
night.  I noticed that 'gpm under X' is discussed on the list of
notes for 2.2 rev0, (http://cdimage.debian.org/lastmin.html) which
suggests:

> The easiest solution is to remove the linerepeat_type= from 
> /etc/gpm.conf

Thanks for the lead!  (So much to catch up on with a new
distribution.)

ben

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Re: Is there a nice graphical front end available for gpg or pgp ?

[Sam Vilain]

> I am looking for a graphical front end for gpg and or pgp. Possibly qt or gtk 
> based. Is geheimnis packaged already ?

Check out the GnuPG home page at http://www.gnupg.org/, it has a list of many 
front-ends available.  Then just use the "search" function in dselect with the 
name of the package, if you're lucky it'll exist.  Until Debian has a functionally structured package repository 
there isn't really a better solution.

At least one of them has a Debian package (gpgp), but gpgp is ... well, just 
oozing with opportunities for features, shall we say.
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Re: Memory leakage

[Antonio Rodriguez]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:34:09AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > In a case of permanent memory loss (hard disk), w/o apparent reason,
> 
> "Memory loss" and "hard disk" don't make sense.

Memory in the sense of storage space, in the hard disk.
 
> Are you talking about memory (RAM) issues, or have you lost data or
> partitions on you hard drive?
> Did you delete an open file?  If you delete a file while another program
> is writing to it, the space is not reallocated until the writing process
> is terminated.  In this case, you may be able to locate the open process
> with:
> 
>   - lsof
>   - ps
> 
> If lsof shows the process, you can kill it.  Otherwise, switching to
> single user mode, or as a last resort, rebooting the system, may reset
> things.

rebooting did not fix it. That was the first thing I did.

Re: 4 Mouse buttons with gpm?

[Sam Vilain]

> > I've got a Logitech 4 button "MouseMan" (according to the label) mouse, and 
> > I can't get gpm to repeat the fourth button; it keeps being repeated as 
> > button 2.
> Don't know if this solves your problem, but you definitely should use
> "repeat_type=raw" here.  And to complement the use of "raw" you should
> specify the corresponding types/protocols for X and for gpm.

It's still only behaving as if it had 3 buttons; button 4 is still being button 
2.

Thanks for that, I'm definitely closer now :-).  I think I just need to get gpm 
to talk the equivalent of X's "MouseManPlusPS/2", like perhaps the mouse is 
detecting that it's being accessed in a 3 button protocol or something and 
translating the buttons for me.  Hmm.

I'll have a chat with the GPM authors directly.

Cheers,
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Re: [slightly OT] book recomendations?

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:17:23PM -0800, Xucaen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi all,, there have been some mentions of books
> on the list, but nothing definitive...
> can anyone recomend a good system
> administration/network administration book?
> just curious to hear people's opinions.


Linux Books mini-FAQ

Karsten M. Self 
Written:  Saturday October  7, 2000
Modified:  Saturday October  7, 2000



In response to the perennial "read any good books" lately question,
vis-a-vis Linux and Unix, I've compiled the following.  Prices are
approximate.


General Linux & getting started guides.

Mark G. Sobell, _A Practical Guide to Linux_, Addison-Wesley, © 1997 
ISBN 0-201-89549-8, US$40

Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman, _Running Linux, 3rd Edition_  O'Reilly, ©
2000.  ISBN 1-56592-151-8, US$30



General Linux/Unix system administration -- more advanced topics.  Each
of these references is a classic.  You don't need all three (though I've
got a copy of each), but you'll find within each the distilled wisdom of
experienced system administrators.

AEleen Frisch, _Essential System Administration : Help for Unix
System Administrators_, O'Reilly, © 1996, 788 pages.  ISBN
1-56592-127-5. US$35

Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein _UNIX System
Administration Handbook_ (Bk\CD ROM), Prentice Hall, © 1995, 780
pages, ISBN: 0-13151-051-7. US$75

M. Carling, Stephen Degler, & James Dennis, _Linux System
Administration_, New Riders, © 2000, 337 pages. ISBN 1-56205-934-3.
US$30



It was the following two books (actually, the earlier _UNIX in a
Nutshell_) which put me "over the hump" in becoming familiar and
experienced with Unix and Linux.  I still refer frequently to each text
when trying to accomplish a complex system task or needing command
syntax and examples that the man pages just don't provide.

Brief command and system reference:

Ellen Siever, Stephen Spainhour, Stephen Figgins, Jessica P. Hekman
_Linux in a Nutshell, 3rd Edition_, O'Reilly, © 2000, 650 pages,
ISBN 1-56592-167-4. US$35


Shell and tools "cook book":

Jerry D. Peek, Tim O'Reilly, Mike Loukides, _UNIX Power Tools, 2nd
Edition_, O'Reilly, © 1997, 1120 pages, ISBN: 1-56592-260-3, US$55



You want to reach out and touch someone?  The NAG, as it's
affectionately known, is available online in electronic format, but you
can take the hardcopy to your favorite cafe, the beach, or that most
popluar of technical reading environments, the WC.

Networking:

 Olaf Kirch, Terry Dawson, _Linux Network Administrator's Guide_
 (2nd Edition), O'Reilly, © 2000, 474 pages, ISBN  1-56592-400-2.
 US$35
 Online:  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/index.html


...when you're tired of people reaching out and touching you...
Garfinkel and Spafford is a classic, though slightly time-worn.  Its
emphasis on philosophy over specific toolsets, and a strong vision on
the part of the authors makes it a worthwhile read even now.

Sonnenreich and Yates have published an excellet guide not just to
building a firewall (this Debian GNU/Linux fan highly recommends the
OpenBSD route), but some excellent front-matter on contemporary elements
and aspects of network security.  Be sure to look at the companion
website as it contains up-to-date information concerning recent changes
to software and distributions, and more advanced firewalling,
monitoring, and proactive security tools.

Security:

Simson Garfinkel, Gene Spafford, _Practical Unix and Internet
Security_, O'Reilly, © 1996, 1004 pages, ISBN: 1-56592-148-8 

Wes Sonnenreich, Tom Yates, _Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls_,
John Wiley & Sons, © 2000, 384 pages.  ISBN: 0-47135-366-3.  US$40



As Richard Stallman says, using vi isn't a sin, it's a pennance.  This
handy pocket guide will give you (or answer) a prayer.

Arnold Robbins, _vi Editor Pocket Reference_, O'Reilly, ISBN
1-56592-497-5, US$6.95

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Re: debian on a red hat system

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:49:06PM -, Pat Woolley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi
> I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I would like to
> be able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there are
> two ways possible. 

> Convert debian to rpm 

Yes.

> or install dselect on my system.

Not recommended.  Competing package management systems are a bad idea.
RPM's fscks up enough as it is.

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Re: Official Debian

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:45:42AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> O'Reilly has a Debian book, I seem to recall it having a 2.1 cd in the
> jacket.

Poor quality, dated, and a nonstandard distro.  You can read what there
is worth reading from it at O'Reilly's website.

Going agains my usual recommendations, Sams has a nice introductory
Debian book.  It's ***NOT*** the fat "Debian GNU/Linux Unleashed"
volume, but a thin (1/2 inch or so) introductory guide.  

Thomas Down, _Installing Debian GNU/Linux, Sams, 11/1999, $19.95.
197 pp.
ISBN: 0672317451
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0672317451&vm=

Includes a 2.1 Slink installation disk (you can use this to install the
base system, then upgrade via apt-get over the 'Net).

Documentation at the Debian website, and this list, are probably your
best bets.

The 2.0 "Official Debian" book is a bit dated.

General GNU/Linux books (_Running Linux_, _Linux In a Nutshell_) and a
good sysadmin book (Nemeth or Frisch) are your best general bets.

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Re: X-windows in startup

[kmself]

on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:07:28AM -0800, Tom Schuetz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I had unsuccessfully configured X, set it aside for a day. Rebooted the 
> machine, only to have X start automatically. Problem is, X isn't working 
> beyond letting me enter username/password. 
> 
> C-ALT-D only gets me back to the initial GUI login! IS there a way to
> escape out of this during the boot process? 


X display manager Pre-shrunk Ultra-Mini  HOWTO

Karsten M. Self 
Written: Sat Oct 14, 2000
Modified: 2001/01/03 21:00:31


X has started and (pick one or more):

   - It's broken.
   - It exits immediately.
   - You don't want it.

You can usually kill an X session with the key combination
.  For a managed (xdm, gdm, wdm, kdm, etc.) X
session, this usually just restarts the session manager.

You can switch to an alternate virtual console, VC, sometimes called a
virtual terminal, VT.  Prefrably one with a command-line login prompt.
Use the key combination F[1-6] -- where F[1-6] represents any
of the function keys numbered F1-F6.  A default Debian GNU/Linux
installation runs a getty (terminal login) on the first six VCs.  You
can also use the 'chvt', though this assumes a command line, which you
didn't have in the first place, eh?  Note that you can issue the 'chvt'
command remotely, in the event your console is hosed, but your system is
still responsive, and you have network access to the machine. 



You don't want to run an XDM login session?

To disable xdm for the current system session:

$ /etc/init.d/rc.d/xdm stop

To disable xdm startups for *all* system sessions:

$ /usr/bin/update-rc.d -f xdm remove

To allow *remote* xdm control but disable local control:  comment out
the localhost display in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers, e.g.:

$ mv /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers.bak &&
sed -e '/^[ ]*:[0-9] local/s/^/# /' < /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers.bak \
> /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers


To remove xdm from your system:

$ apt-get remove xdm


Note that I recommend not using an X display manager on your system for
the following reasons:

   - It needlessly complicates the X initialization sequence, and makes 
 debugging and troubleshooting more difficult.

   - It means that your system is incurring the overhead of running an X
 session when you explicitly *aren't* using the console (though you
 may be using the system remotely or in batch processing).  This is
 a waste of resources.

   - Though xdm does simplify remote X sessions to an extent, it is an
 insecure means of accessing your system, and leaves your entire X
 session open on the wire for snooping.

Yes, you can run an X display manager such as XDM, GDM, KDM, WDM, etc.,
and many people do.  My preference is not to.

My preferred X startup method is:

$ startx -- :1 1>.startx.log 2>&1 & exit

...executed from a console login.  This startx X (on display :1 rather
than :0 -- if I *do* want to run an X display, it won't interfere), logs
all X server output to the file .startx.log, including error output, and
exits the console session.

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Re: X in startup

[matthschulz]

I usually rename just the (in my case kdm) /etc/init.d/xdm into 
/etc/init.d/xdm.bak.  It mkes a lot easier to bring everything back into the 
old status. 

/etc/init.d/xdm stopwill shutdown xdm without rebooting.

Matth

On Mittwoch,  3. Januar 2001 11:40, David Turner wrote:
> nope doesnt disable X just prevents it from starting automatically as part
> of the INIT process of linux.
>
> read the article
> http://www.egroups.com/files/newbieDoc/runlevels-intro.html mentioned on
> this list earlier today for more info.
>
> so startx should work fine (if you have setup your config files properly)
>
> cheers,
>
>
>
> david
>
> ps i dont know why my last posting appeared twice... is this my fault or a
> problem with list server
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Xucaen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 January 2001 17:25
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: X in startup
>
>
> does this disable X? what if you still want to
> run X from the command line using startx?
> (i'm asking because I don't have X installed
> right now, but will in a few weeks..)
> thanks!!
>
> xucaen
> --- David Turner
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > after booting up press  F1 to go
> > into a console terminal.
> >
> > logon as root.
> >
> > cd /etc/rc2.d
> >
> > rm S??xdm  # or just move it, if you dont want
> > to delete it
> >
> > shutdown -r now
> >
> > worked for me this morning, anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > david
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tom Schuetz
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 03 January 2001 15:11
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: X-windows in startup
> >
> >
> > I had unsuccessfully configured X, set it aside
> > for a day. Rebooted the
> > machine, only to have X start automatically.
> > Problem is, X isn't working
> > beyond letting me enter username/password.
> >
> > C-ALT-D only gets me back to the initial GUI
> > login! IS there a way to escape
> > out of this during the boot process?
> >
> >
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Re: mouse configuration

[Christoph Simon]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:31:58 -0500 (EST)
Mithras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Excuse me if this question is really basic.
> 
> After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
> discovered the mouse wasn't working.
> 
> It didn't move at all at first, and I found last night that /dev/mouse
> was just symlinked to some weird device, but not ttyS0 like it should
> (for my 3-button Logitech mouse).  When I started X, however, the
> mouse moved only in occasionally sudden leaps to the left & downward,
> while also sending imaginary mouse clicks (pop-up menus appeared).
> 
> Could I have chosen the wrong mouse device to link to?  I've heard
> that GNOME can be sluggish, but this doesn't appear to be a system
> grinding along (other symptoms, like hard drive activity, or slow
> screen draws, are not evident).  (My cpu is an AMD K6 233, with 80M.)
> I cleaned the mouse wheels, so it couldn't be that either.
> 
> Note: I did notice an X error on the console about accessing the mouse
> after I quit last night, but alas I don't have that message written down.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I experimented the same symtoms. Then I found out, that it works fine
if you hold down the left mouse button before the mouse receives
energy from the computer. You can do this during a reboot, or you can
plug out the mouse, hold down the left button with one hand, and try
with the other to fiddle with the connector to plug it in again; then
you may release the button. (try guessing this one :-). As a matter of
fact, if I switch from X to tty mode, and come back, I usually loose
the mouse and have to repeat this acrobacy. Fortunately I don't switch
very often. I found other references in the net suggesting among other
thing to gamble with the DTR, but I lost...

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:q
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shit
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RE: [slightly OT] book recomendations?

[Holp, John Mr.]

Xucaen,

I have purchased the following books:

1.  Linux Systems Administration Handbook by Mark F. Komarinski
About 385 pages, not enough examples, syntax, etc., for me.

2.  PREP KIT General Linux I by Theresa Hadden Martinez
About 350 pages, quite good, slanted towards the LPIC 101
exam

3.  General Linux I by Dee-Ann LeBlanc
About 700 pages, many errors, slanted towards the LPIC 101
exam

4.  Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 by several people
About 1120 pages, still reading it.

My motives may be a bit impure as I am half way to becoming a Linux
Professional Institute Certified person.  On the 102 exam, the one I am
currently studying for, they ask questions specifically on rpm and dpkg -
hence my use of Red Hat and Debian.

Today I noticed on www.cheapbytes.com there is a book listed with
the 3 CD Debian distribution that has 1,956 pages of Linux systems
administration - I have not read it but that bad-boy might be the one to
consider.

John


-Original Message-
From: Xucaen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:17 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [slightly OT] book recomendations?


Hi all,, there have been some mentions of books
on the list, but nothing definitive...
can anyone recomend a good system
administration/network administration book?
just curious to hear people's opinions.
thanks!


xucaen

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Latest apt-get dist-upgrade on unstable removes kde ?

[Michael Meding]

Hi all,

a quick apt-get update and dist-upgrade would uninstall kde. Is this 
intentional ?

Greetings

Michael

Re: mouse configuration

[David B . Harris]

To quote Mithras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# Excuse me if this question is really basic.
# 
# After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
# discovered the mouse wasn't working.
# 
# It didn't move at all at first, and I found last night that /dev/mouse
# was just symlinked to some weird device, but not ttyS0 like it should
# (for my 3-button Logitech mouse).  When I started X, however, the
# mouse moved only in occasionally sudden leaps to the left & downward,
# while also sending imaginary mouse clicks (pop-up menus appeared).
# 
# Could I have chosen the wrong mouse device to link to?  I've heard
# that GNOME can be sluggish, but this doesn't appear to be a system
# grinding along (other symptoms, like hard drive activity, or slow
# screen draws, are not evident).  (My cpu is an AMD K6 233, with 80M.)
# I cleaned the mouse wheels, so it couldn't be that either.
# 
# Note: I did notice an X error on the console about accessing the mouse
# after I quit last night, but alas I don't have that message written
down.
# 
# Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I think the problem is 'gpm'. I know it is possible to have 'gpm' and X
share the mouse, but I've never found a way(and to all those who are
reading this; /dev/gpmdata isn't sufficient). You might want to consider
stopping 'gpm', by doing a '/etc/init.d/gpm stop', and see if you X
mouse problems go away. If they do, you might try to disable 'gpm' from
being started at boot time by using the 'update-rc.d' script.

# Besides this mouse problem, I'd just like to say how *pleased* I've
# been with Debian.  The default X environment (what I've been able to
# see of it) and Xdm are gorgeous, and when I discovered that xdm & my
# mouse problem conspired to keep me from a console or xterm prompt, I
# really appreciated finding the shell prompt available from the boot
# CD.  My past experience has been with old Red Hat & Slackware
# distributions, which simply didn't look as *pretty* as Debian.
# (Trivial perhaps, but it is somehow satisfying when your favorite
# operating system doesn't look like a sow's ear.)

Agreed :) I've rebooted maybe two dozen times in the past few days just
so I could see the Debian theme of the Linux Progress Patch :) You're
right, veeery satisfying :

Dave

mouse configuration

[Mithras]

Excuse me if this question is really basic.

After installing Debian for the first time (but not Linux), I
discovered the mouse wasn't working.

It didn't move at all at first, and I found last night that /dev/mouse
was just symlinked to some weird device, but not ttyS0 like it should
(for my 3-button Logitech mouse).  When I started X, however, the
mouse moved only in occasionally sudden leaps to the left & downward,
while also sending imaginary mouse clicks (pop-up menus appeared).

Could I have chosen the wrong mouse device to link to?  I've heard
that GNOME can be sluggish, but this doesn't appear to be a system
grinding along (other symptoms, like hard drive activity, or slow
screen draws, are not evident).  (My cpu is an AMD K6 233, with 80M.)
I cleaned the mouse wheels, so it couldn't be that either.

Note: I did notice an X error on the console about accessing the mouse
after I quit last night, but alas I don't have that message written down.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Besides this mouse problem, I'd just like to say how *pleased* I've
been with Debian.  The default X environment (what I've been able to
see of it) and Xdm are gorgeous, and when I discovered that xdm & my
mouse problem conspired to keep me from a console or xterm prompt, I
really appreciated finding the shell prompt available from the boot
CD.  My past experience has been with old Red Hat & Slackware
distributions, which simply didn't look as *pretty* as Debian.
(Trivial perhaps, but it is somehow satisfying when your favorite
operating system doesn't look like a sow's ear.)

Thanks in advance,

ben taylor

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[slightly OT] book recomendations?

[Xucaen]

Hi all,, there have been some mentions of books
on the list, but nothing definitive...
can anyone recomend a good system
administration/network administration book?
just curious to hear people's opinions.
thanks!


xucaen

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Re: Removing Helix packages

[Hall Stevenson]

> > Well, for some stupid reason, I decided to give the
> > Gnome packages from Helix a try. After re-starting
> > X-Windows, I noticed that my Eterms don't have
> > scrollbars and scroll-arrows. My first assumption
> > is that it's related to Helix's version of the various
> > imlib packages. Now though, I can't remove them,
> > at least without removing a bunch of other packages
> > that depend on them.
> >
> > I've tried different "--ignore-depends=???" options,
> > "--force", etc with no luck. I'm sure there is a way to
> > force the removal of *just* the items I specify, isn't
> > there ?? If so, could someone explain ??
>
> apt-get --purge remove \*helix\*
>
>
> follow the prompts... it may remove more thna you bargained for so
maybe
> doing this without --purge may be a better choice..

Yes, it did want to remove a lot more than I wanted to mess with.
Literally, every gnome package that I had installed would have been
removed.

So, I ended up grabbing Eterm from CVS, along with it's req'd libraries
(libast, imlib2, etc). It's all working fine now.

Thanks
Hall

Re: debian on a red hat system

[Jon Pennington]

> Pat Woolley wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I would like to
> be able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there are
> two ways possible. Convert debian to rpm or install dselect on my
> system.

Try alien.

 $ alien -r package.deb

It should be a part of your distribution.  Just so you know, the debs
are probably packaged against different libraries than what you have on
your Mdk system, and some apps just might not work right.

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Re: Potato and new hardware

[Jon Pennington]

paul wrote:
> 
> hi there,
> 
> i'm upgrading my current system (intel p2) and i'm getting a thunderbird
> 1.2ghz.
> i've ordered an abit kt7 motherboard, and i'm wondering if i can expect any
> problems?
> 
> should i build a kernel with support for a particular chipset?  and do i need
> any patches or anything?
> 
> thanks for any information.

Should be no problems, but I'd get the kernel-image-2.2.18-ide out of
the kernel-image-2.2.18-i386 pool first.  Good, solid kernel with lots
of IDE chipset support.  If you are getting a KT7-RAID, it's a /bit/
more complicated, but not much.  Burn that bridge when you get there. ;)

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Gcc broken. How to fix?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Hi all,

I had a crash on my laptop (battery died) which has left
me with a broken GCC.

I tried uninstalling and reinstalling task-c-dev but now
I get the following:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] > apt-get install 
task-c-dev
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  Sorry, task-c-dev is already the newest version
  0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
upgraded.
  1 packages not fully installed or removed.
  Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
  Setting up libtool (1.3.3-9.1) ...
  Configuring libtool...
  Configuration name missing.
  Usage: ./config.sub CPU-MFR-OPSYS
  or ./config.sub ALIAS
  where ALIAS is a recognized configuration type.
  dpkg: error processing libtool (--configure):
   subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
  Errors were encountered while processing:
   libtool
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Does anybodu have any idea of how to fix this?

Thanks,
Erik

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Non-KDE2 programs aren't taking on color scheme

[Bart Szyszka]

Hi,

I have KDE2.1 installed and am having trouble with the color scheme being 
applied to other programs. This is how my computer currently looks:
http://gigabee.com/linuxextras/kde2.1-koverse.png

, but when I run GImp, for example, it is showing up as light gray with large 
fonts. Before, it was blue like everything else is in KDE 2.1 and the fonts 
were the same size as the fonts I have in native KDE programs. Then I decided 
to install GAIM because I wanted to see its icons (I'm making new icons for 
Konverse and someone said Konverse's current icons look like GAIM's) and ever 
since I installed it, GNOME programs aren't taking on KDE2's colors. Any 
ideas what might have gone wrong?

- Bart

Re: Removing Helix packages

[Walter Tautz]

On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Hall Stevenson wrote:

> Well, for some stupid reason, I decided to give the Gnome packages from Helix 
> a try. After re-starting X-Windows, I noticed that my Eterms don't have 
> scrollbars and scroll-arrows. My first assumption is that it's related to 
> Helix's version of the variou
s imlib packages. Now though, I can't remove them, at least without removing a 
bunch of other packages that depend on them.
> 
> I've tried different "--ignore-depends=???" options, "--force", etc with no 
> luck. I'm sure there is a way to force the removal of *just* the items I 
> specify, isn't there ?? If so, could someone explain ??
> 
> Thanks
> Hall
> 
> 


apt-get --purge remove \*helix\*


follow the prompts... it may remove more thna you bargained for so maybe
doing this without --purge may be a better choice..


-walter

Re: debian on a red hat system

[Veit Waltemath]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:49:06PM -, Pat Woolley wrote:
> Hi
> I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I would like to be 
> able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there are two ways 
> possible. Convert debian to rpm or install dselect on my system.
> 
> Can you help with one or both of these solutions please.
> 
> Regards Pat Woolley
> 
Why do you want install debian packages on a rpm-system. The sense escapes me.

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Re: Recompiled potato kernel and

[Dan White]

Badiane Ka wrote:
> 
> now I'm having problems with modules not being
> inserted.  I have tried to insert them manually with
> no success.
> 
> I ran linuxinfo and notice that my laptop speed which
> is 500MHz is now something in the low 100's.
> 
> Can someone help.
> 
> Badiane

To keep things consistent, try this:

install 'kernel-package'

cd /usr/src/kernelx
make menuconfig (or config or xconfig)
make dep
make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg kernel_image

which will create a kernel-image .deb in /usr/src with the System.map
and modules included. When you install it, it will complain if you have
any conflicting modules already located in /lib/modules and suggest what
do do.

- Dan White

Re: sound blaster live! 512

[Andrea Vettorello]

romain lerallut wrote:

> have you tried the ESD output plugin instead of the OSS one ?
>
> [...]
> such device
>
> Looks like I might have deeper problems than permissions...
>
> Have any ideas?
>

Could you look in your "/var/log/syslog" for any messages like "modprobe: Can't
locate module sound-slot-0"?


Andrea

P.S. I suggested to a  friend of mine to compile the driver as a module after
finding the messages "modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0" in
"/var/log/syslog". This happened after he upgraded to 2.2.18. Sounds strange,
but who knows, give a try...

Re: Straight to woody after fresh potato install?

[David B . Harris]

To quote Jon Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# csj wrote:
# > 
# > The first of two questions: Is it OK to specify woody as the apt
source after
# > a fresh potato installation (I just grabbed, as someone suggested,
the 2.88mb
# > floppy install image)? I want to have woody with the least number of
# > downloaded packages.
# 
# Sure.  I'd recommend changing your sources.list, apt-get update, then
# install debconf, then apt-get dist-upgrade.
# 
# > Second question: where is the best place to get the latest gnome
packages?
# > I'm planning to do some gtk compiling. Which gnome and what
(virtual?)
# > package do I specify to get a complete development environment. This
query
# > has been prompted by my inability to compile the lastest xcdroast
(0.98?)
# > under potato.
# 
# I just use the packages at Helixcode.  I don't even use the Debian
GNOME
# packages if I can help it.

I would just like to point out that it is really quite difficult to get
rid of Helix GNOME in favour of the regular Debian packages if at some
point in the future you decide Helix is too buggy.

I installed Helix without difficulty; and it ran just fine. However, I
have a rather spartan desktop, without even the GNOME panel. I long ago
got rid of GNOME's session manager(sort of slow and bloated, that one),
so really all I'm running is Sawfish and some 'gkrellm' monitors. So, I
decided to get rid of Helix and switch to the Debian packages. I did it,
but it wasn't fun at all.

Dave

LILO 0x40 ERROR when trying to multiboot freebsd and linux

[Walter Tautz]

I have an older American Megatrends 1994 rev BIOS and I recently
put in an IBM IDE 20Gig drive as my master driveI haven't
done anything to reconfigure my BIOS since it is old and DOES
work with just linux kernels (I have some newer equipment on 
which the settings below work flawlessly)

I have the entry
-lilo.conf

lba32

boot=/dev/hda



install=/boot/boot.b

map=/boot/map


delay=20


vga=normal






other=/dev/hda2
table=/dev/hda
label=freebsd


where /dev/hda2 is the bsd parition created by the install...


this kind of setup seems to work on newer equipment. Reading 
the docs on lilo says this is a BIOS error suggesting media
problems...

Is there some special incantations that I have to feed lilo
specially if it has problems communicating with the BIOS...

NOTE: I can run linux with NO difficulty. I just can't get freebsd 
to boot...maybe someone is trying to tell me something ;-)


-walter

debian on a red hat system

[Pat Woolley]

Hi
I use mandrake 7 and I am very happy with it.  However I 
would like to be able to install debian packages on my system. As I see it there 
are two ways possible. Convert debian to rpm or install dselect on my 
system.
 
Can you help with one or both of these solutions 
please.
 
Regards Pat Woolley
 

[OFFTOPIC] Opinions on the O'Reilly book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/

[Walter Tautz]

Has anyone read it and do you have an opinion on the least
painful way to learn about the kernel...reading the source
is presumably the only way if one really wants to get into
the heart of the matter? 

-walter

Re: Straight to woody after fresh potato install?

[Hall Stevenson]

> The first of two questions: Is it OK to specify woody
> as the apt source after a fresh potato installation

I did and it worked fine. The commands (after specifying Woody in
/etc/apt/sources.list) are "apt-get update" and then "apt-get upgrade".
This will only upgrade the packages you currently have, along with any
new dependencies.


> Second question: where is the best place to get the
> latest gnome packages? I'm planning to do some gtk
> compiling. Which gnome and what (virtual?) package
> do I specify to get a complete development environment.
> This query has been prompted by my inability to
> compile the lastest xcdroast (0.98?) under potato.

I believe the most actively developed would be HelixCode's site. I don't
remember the exact URL, but do have it at home. Someone else will likely
post it, but I did find this entry by searching the lists archives:

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main

Good luck
Hall Stevenson

Potato and new hardware

[paul]

hi there,

i'm upgrading my current system (intel p2) and i'm getting a thunderbird
1.2ghz.
i've ordered an abit kt7 motherboard, and i'm wondering if i can expect any
problems?

should i build a kernel with support for a particular chipset?  and do i need
any patches or anything?

thanks for any information.

-- 
cheers,
paul

Re: Straight to woody after fresh potato install?

[Jon Pennington]

csj wrote:
> 
> The first of two questions: Is it OK to specify woody as the apt source after
> a fresh potato installation (I just grabbed, as someone suggested, the 2.88mb
> floppy install image)? I want to have woody with the least number of
> downloaded packages.

Sure.  I'd recommend changing your sources.list, apt-get update, then
install debconf, then apt-get dist-upgrade.

> Second question: where is the best place to get the latest gnome packages?
> I'm planning to do some gtk compiling. Which gnome and what (virtual?)
> package do I specify to get a complete development environment. This query
> has been prompted by my inability to compile the lastest xcdroast (0.98?)
> under potato.

I just use the packages at Helixcode.  I don't even use the Debian GNOME
packages if I can help it.

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Re: Source list

[Juergen Fiedler]

At Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:56:01 -0700,
Brandeil wrote:
> 
> Hi !
>   I am very new to Debian. I have been trying to install some software 
> using the apt-get, I have had little success with it though.
> netscape and ncftp are the only programs I have successfully installed. 
> GIMP, MC, GTK and others i have not been able too, their is an attempt made 
> and downloads occure, however the program is not installed, a message says 
> to "udate" files to add missing files, I have done this several times but 
> no success.
> Some files are NOT FOUND, I dont know how to add a link to the source list 
> (the attempts that i have tried causes an error and does not run)
> 
> Thank you for your help.

Could you please post your /etc/apt/sources.list?
Without that, it is very hard to guess what could
be going wrong with your installations.

j

Re: Official Debian

[Ray Percival]

It would be quite a wait for Woody as they are now talking about it 
going frozen about May and then several months after that before it
goes stable.
-- Original Message --
From: D-Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:26:12 -0500

>
>Potato is the current stable (version is 2.2r2) but a large number of
>packages are out of date.
>
>Woody is 'testing' now (not unstable any more) so I expect that it is
>now quite reasonable and will be 'stable' soon.
>
>If you don't need to install right away, I would recommend waiting a
>while and getting Woody instead.  (though I doubt you would find a
>book with woody bundled in it, an older book should work just fine ;
>also there's this list :-))
>
>HTH,
>-D
>
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Re: Source list

[Hall Stevenson]

> Some files are NOT FOUND, I dont know how to
> add a link to the source list (the attempts that i
> have tried causes an error and does not run)

Run "apt-setup" to add source "locations" for software. Select "http" as
your access method and then choose a mirror site (or the main Debian
site, if you wish).

Good luck
Hall