Re: eGroupWare Debs

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:28:15PM -0800, Daniel Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Has anyone packaged (or working on packaging) eGroupWare for Debian?  
> They just released version 0.09.99.008 - their first production release 
> candidate, if I read it correctly.  I'd love to be able to use this 
> product within the Debian package system.

The usual place to look for third-party debs is http://www.apt-get.org/

There's also a list of requested packages at:

http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/

...which you can augment if you wish.


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sound question: Jack

[Richard Kimber]

The document "Installing and configuring ALSA, JACK, & Ardour on Red Hat
7.3" (June 2003) has some information on how Debian differs from RH
embodied in it.  But it also includes the statement:

"JACK is available from http://jackit.sourceforge.net.  Let me make this
perfectly clear - DO NOT use a tarball or RPM that you may find anywhere
else (trust me on this one)"

Do the Jack Debian packages overcome whatever fears the author had about
non-jackit.sourceforge.net versions?

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Re: Workbone - With Volume Control - How To Install?

[Scarletdown]

On 13 Dec 2003 at 19:39, Brian Potkin wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 02:18:09PM +, Brian Potkin wrote:
> 
> >   To mention several
> > packages: aumix is said to be a competent utility and mp3blaster
> > can play cd's and comes with nmixer;
> 
> Before everyone rushes off to download mp3blaster to play a cd I wish 
to
> own up to some unintentional misinformation.  mp3blaster is an mp3 and
> ogg player.  However, the package does include nmixer which does 
control
> the sound card.
> 

Too late, I already tried it.  :D  Not a bad little program, but two 
things disqualify it for me.

1:  The afore-mentioned lack of audio CD support
2:  The apparent inability to handle compressed wav files 9see 
soundamerica.com for an example of what I mean).  The majority of my 
sound and music files are in that compressed format, and I really do not 
feel like uncompressing them at this time.

Also, I could not get the Function-Key controls to work when running it 
while logged in via a telnet or SSH session, (though switching the KV 
switch over to that system and logging in directly allowed me to operate 
the program normally).  I'm sure that problem is just a matter of 
configuring my telnet client (PuTTY) properly.

I'll keep trying other players until I find just the right one.


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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Gregory Seidman]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 02:36:10PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote:
} On Saturday 13 December 2003 12:46 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
} > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 03:00 GMT, Greg Madden penned:
} > > http://debian.org/logos/
} > Ooh.  I was wondering where to find logos.
} > 
} > Why eps as opposed to pdf or whatever?
[...]
} Furthermore, PDF isn't really an open data format, just a
} closed one that turned out to be easier to crack than .doc files.
} Adobe isn't any nicer about sharing their standards than
} Microsoft is.  The fact that we have good Linux readers for
} PDF has more to do with slow releases of new versions of
} the standard, and more widespread use (especially in the
} academic community), than with any intrinsic quality.  But
} the latest versions (5.x?) still don't seem to be accessible
} with open source tools.
} 
} OTOH, postscript has been around for so long that it is definitely
} a well-understood standard (there are published manuals
} explaining the language in detail).  I'm not sure whether it was
} intended to be open or not, but it is in effect, at least.
} 
} And that would probably be Debian's reason. ;-)

That is entirely FUD. PDF is no more nor less open than PostScript. Both
PostScript and PDF are industry standards developed, promoted, and
documented by Adobe. A Google search for "pdf specification" turns up the
Adobe PDF specification, available free from Adobe, within the first two
links. Similarly, a google search for "postscript language reference" turns
up the PostScript specification available free from Adobe as the first link.

} Cheers,
} Terry
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remote install

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

Hi everyone,

I've just leased some (redhat) rack space. I'd like to do a remote install
of debian. I'm currently reading
http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
and am wondering if anyone can recommend any other HOWTOs.

thanks,
emma <--- I. Am. So. PUMPED. about having root. :)

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Re: Use Debian mailinglists with slow connection to Internet?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 07:10:11PM +, Clive Standbridge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat 13 Dec 2003 01:14:53 +(-0800), Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > > Alternatively, reduce your online overhead by subscribing to 
> > > debian-user-digest instead of debian-user.
> > 
> > No.  You get all the traffic in undigestable chunks.
> 
> Chunks, yes (that's the point). Indigestible, no. The second paragraph of
> my previous mail explained how to extract the individual messages.

I sort of kicked myself after  sending that -- I've used formail on
digests (decided I'd rather have the un-munged messages to play with),
and am familiar with the idea.

Point I was making:  you're getting The Whole Damned Thing, with no
selection by topic or content.

> And it works. My daily email (most of it from debian-user) used to take 
> 20-30 minutes to download; since I switched to the digest it takes less
> than 5.

What's your fetch mode?  I'm finding that fetchmail over 56k is taking
~5-10 seconds per message (mostly depending on how much Swen I've got).
Is the per-message overhead really that high?  Is the digest compressed
at all (I doubt this).  ...OTOH, it may reduce a lot of the overhead of
full headers.

> It's a viable solution to the stated problem of a "slow and expensive
> connection to Internet". Whether it suits the originator of this
> thread more or less than than the other suggestions is another matter,
> of course.

True.


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Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 11:21:02AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> As your autogenerated sig says, peace.

It's not autogenerated.


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Re: Workbone - With Volume Control - How To Install?

[Brian Potkin]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 02:18:09PM +, Brian Potkin wrote:

>   To mention several
> packages: aumix is said to be a competent utility and mp3blaster
> can play cd's and comes with nmixer;

Before everyone rushes off to download mp3blaster to play a cd I wish to
own up to some unintentional misinformation.  mp3blaster is an mp3 and
ogg player.  However, the package does include nmixer which does control
the sound card.

Brian.


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Re: Use Debian mailinglists with slow connection to Internet?

[Clive Standbridge]

On Sat 13 Dec 2003 01:14:53 +(-0800), Karsten M. Self wrote:

> > Alternatively, reduce your online overhead by subscribing to 
> > debian-user-digest instead of debian-user.
> 
> No.  You get all the traffic in undigestable chunks.

Chunks, yes (that's the point). Indigestible, no. The second paragraph of
my previous mail explained how to extract the individual messages.

And it works. My daily email (most of it from debian-user) used to take 
20-30 minutes to download; since I switched to the digest it takes less
than 5.

It's a viable solution to the stated problem of a "slow and expensive
connection to Internet". Whether it suits the originator of this thread
more or less than than the other suggestions is another matter, of course.

> 
> Peace.

Absolutely.


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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Terry Hancock]

On Saturday 13 December 2003 12:46 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 03:00 GMT, Greg Madden penned:
> > http://debian.org/logos/
> Ooh.  I was wondering where to find logos.
> 
> Why eps as opposed to pdf or whatever?

Well, for one reason, postscript is an older and more widespread
standard in the printing field (whereas PDF is ostensibly only for
electronic distribution).  Any printshop running whatever OS on
their computers will have an easier time reading and handling
encapsulated postscript.

That would be the printshop's reason.

Furthermore, PDF isn't really an open data format, just a
closed one that turned out to be easier to crack than .doc files.
Adobe isn't any nicer about sharing their standards than
Microsoft is.  The fact that we have good Linux readers for
PDF has more to do with slow releases of new versions of
the standard, and more widespread use (especially in the
academic community), than with any intrinsic quality.  But
the latest versions (5.x?) still don't seem to be accessible
with open source tools.

OTOH, postscript has been around for so long that it is definitely
a well-understood standard (there are published manuals
explaining the language in detail).  I'm not sure whether it was
intended to be open or not, but it is in effect, at least.

And that would probably be Debian's reason. ;-)

Cheers,
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apt-get install kills gnome apps

[Ben Luey]

Hi -- I have installed debian sid and whenever I run apt-get install to
get software, galeon, evolution rhythmbox crash. If I run evolution (as
a user) and then apt-get install (as root), evolutions closes with the
message "killed". Same for evolution and rhythbox. Hardware: k6 -- with
defaults i386 kernel.

Anyone have any idea what's going on?

My sources.list is:

deb http://jarno.gmxhome.de/deb-archive unstable/
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

(the jarno.gmxhome.de is gnome-panel with modifications for user shutdown
and reboot from the logout command).

Thanks,

Ben



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Re: Bug in testing abiword package?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 11:34:38AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Since you're on testing, it may be worth waiting a day or so and seeing
> if this resolves itself.

Looking at 'grep-excuses abiword' (install the devscripts package),
it'll be a while before any version of abiword arrives in testing. The
"is buggy" lines are the most immediate problems.

> On the other hand, here in unstable-land, it looks like 5.6.1-8.2 is
> *also* the most recent version of perl ...

Unstable has perl 5.8.2-2.

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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 03:00 GMT, Greg Madden penned:
> 
> For a do-it yourself (sort-of) Debian Swirl go to Kinko's (print shop). 
> They do cut vinyl, fairly cheep, bring in a .esp logo from http://
> debian.org/logos/. I put one on my work van :)

Ooh.  I was wondering where to find logos.

Why eps as opposed to pdf or whatever?

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voice communication - windows w/ masquerade and debian w/ real IP

[Grzegorz B. Prokopski]

Hello!

I badly need to communicate with a person that is using windows
behind a masquerade of his ISP (which he doesn't control). My
machine has routable IP address so theorhetically such a connection
from windows machine to mine - would be possible.

But what kind of software could be used for that? Sometime ago I used
the great Gnome Meeting but it requires both sides to have a real IP
or to use some proxies on gateways etc. which is not possible for
the windows machine. [*]

Any ideas how to get voice communication in such a setup?

Grzegorz B. Prokopski

[*] A wild idea that popped up in my mind would be ex. to setup dante
(socks) proxy in my machine and setup windows machine's voice
communication program to use it... Pure fantasy probably...

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Re: Bug in testing abiword package?

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 17:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
> Under testing and gnome 2.2  I'm trying to install abiword issuing the
> command "apt-get install abiword".  The installation fails
> immediatedly because (unfortunately I'm translating from Italian into
> English!) "Abiword depends on libperl5.6 (>= 5.6.1-8.3) while you're
> using  version 5.6.1-8.2". After an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade"
> I still have a  libperl5.6  5.6.1-8.2 perfectly installed.  Have I
> found a bug or there's something I can't catch?  Please help Vittorio
> 

Since you're on testing, it may be worth waiting a day or so and seeing
if this resolves itself.

On the other hand, here in unstable-land, it looks like 5.6.1-8.2 is
*also* the most recent version of perl ... so maybe you should file a
bug report?  I don't see anything obviously related here:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=abiword

The 'reportbug' command is pretty awesome and automates a lot of the
bug-report drudge work.

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Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 09:11 GMT, Karsten M. Self penned:
> 
> 
> Addressing this specifically:  while there's a lot of similarity of
> interests on this list, it's neither a social nor general discussion
> list.  I see no particular reason the Debian Project or SPI should be
> compelled to provide infrastructure for either.   One of the people
> quoted in this post has hit my own s/n annoyance threshold.  While she
> may not appreciate being told so, it doesn't change the facts.  And it
> makes her own lecturing at least mildly ironic.
> 
> 

To whom could you possibly be referring?  You're giving no clues at all!

I made my suggestion.  Feel free to ignore it.

As your autogenerated sig says, peace.

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Re: I can't update SPARC unstable

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:51:59PM -0500, Scott Robert Ladd wrote:
> The maddening thing is, the update worked for the Sparc a couple of 
> weeks ago, but hasn't worked at all in the last few days.

In what way does it fail to work?

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Re: Bug in testing abiword package?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:22:35PM -0500, Travis Crump wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Under testing and gnome 2.2  I'm trying to install abiword issuing the 
> >command
> >"apt-get install abiword".  The installation fails immediatedly because
> >(unfortunately I'm translating from Italian into English!) "Abiword 
> >depends on
> >libperl5.6 (>= 5.6.1-8.3) while you're using  version 5.6.1-8.2". After an
> >"apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" I still have a  libperl5.6  5.6.1-8.2
> >perfectly installed.
> >Have I found a bug or there's something I can't catch?
> 
> There isn't a testing abiword package right now; libperl5.6 isn't in 
> testing as well[perl is at 5.8].  Perhaps you are using stable?

Sounds like he's got both stable and testing in sources.list. This is a
good example of how that results in confusion and tends to be a bad idea
unless you're very familiar with both distributions.

(That's not to say that there are no uninstallable packages in testing.)

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Re: My email is rejected by some sites

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 09:46 GMT, Joerg Rossdeutscher penned:
> 
> 
> I agree to that. Not everyone should use a private mailserver.
> Hobbyists and Freaks should not run such service, it's a job for
> professionals, and those have a static ip. I'm really tired of writing
> a lot in mailinglists an get lots of "You mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] could
> not be delivered..."
> 

Say what?

This hobbyist has run her own mail server on and off for years now.
Sometimes just to send, sometimes both to send and receive.

The problem that you're describing isn't a problem of dynamic IPs; it's
a problem of proper configuration.  Having a static IP does *not* imply
in any way that someone is a professional -- all it takes is money, and
not much money, at that.  After all, I have a static IP, and I'm not a
professional -- I just find it convenient.

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Re: Copy all desktop settings for a new user

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 09:41 GMT, Philipp Schulte penned:
> Hello, lets say I have a few users (not all of them with prior
> GNU/Linux experiance) and I want to setup a common profile for their
> accounts.  By profile I mean things like desktop-icons, desktop-theme,
> menues, MUA-settings, browser-settings, printer ...
> 
> The users will most likely either use KDE or Gnome and applications
> like Firebird, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.
> 
> I would like to create a role-account, configure everything for this
> account and copy all those settings everytime a new user is created.
> I know about /etc/skel but I am not sure if it's possible to use this
> because some paths are absolute in configuration files.

Just curious -- what do you mean by this?  Even if the default files in
there have absolute paths, you could just edit them ...

> 
> I am sure somebody must have a solution for this. Thanks for any
> pointers. Regards, Phil
> 
> 


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Re: How do I get sound?

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:06:18PM -0800, Mark Healey wrote:
> Have no sound.  What tool do I use to get it?

The Sound HOWTOs.

http://ursine.ca/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Sound-HOWTO/index.html
http://ursine.ca/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Soundblaster-AWE.html
http://ursine.ca/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Sound-Playing-HOWTO.html

You can also see the HOWTO index at

http://ursine.ca/doc/HOWTO/en-html/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html

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Re: Anti-Virus Scanner recommendations please

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:17:19PM -0800, Raquel Rice wrote:
> Oh gosh!  Can you sense that I'm more than a bit nervous about
> getting rid of Sendmail and installing Exim?  Is it going to be a
> giant job?

Does 20 minutes sound like a giant job?

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Re: Installing all packages

[Nunya]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 12:23:53PM -0500, Brad Stockdale wrote:
>But is there an easier way to do this? An unattended way to do it, 
> equivalent of setting the 'Everything' choice in Red Hat's install?

First, apt-get install aptitude.
Run aptitude.
Highlight "Not Installed Packages".  Hit the Plus key.
Hit "G".

Some things conflict with one another, so some things will
unselect themselves automatically.

I do this with a local partial mirror of (currently) 414 mb of debs.
It takes about 30 minutes to install that much debs.


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Re: Anti-Virus Scanner recommendations please

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:45:38PM -0500, BruceG wrote:
> If you decide to go with exim4-heavy-daemon, there is a great tutorial on
> getting SpamAssassin going here :http://ursine.ca/~baloo/clamd-exiscan.txt

No, no, you can use dman's spamassassin solution with it, but that is
exclusively about virus rejection.

> I followed the tutorial and have ClamAV scanning e-mail before delivery.
> This list is a good place to start in getting exim4-heavy-daemon and ClamAV
> running.

Woohoo!

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ide-scsi Question

[Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler]

Hi,

I'm running ide-scsi because I want to use cdrdao.  Unfortunately ide-scsi 
intermittantly hangs on boot on my cdrom drive with a "lost interupt" error 
and enters an endless loop in which it continously times out.  I havn't found 
a way to get out of this loop without reseting the computer.  I didn't have 
any problems with the drive before I loaded the ide-scsi module (using 
modconf).  I unplug the drives power to get it to boot now...

Thanks for any suggestions,

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Re: Installing all packages

[Brad Stockdale]

Hello all,

   I am new to the list and new to Debian. I've been using Linux since 
1996, and my distribution of choice has always been Red Hat. That is, until 
Red Hat as a company started persuing goals that I had no desire to be 
involved with.

   So, that left me with some choices to make. I needed to find a new 
distribution that had goals and a community that I wanted to be involved 
with, and after reviewing about a dozen distributions, I decided that I 
would like to invest some more time into seeing if Debian was the right one 
for me...

   Having said that, I have jigdo'd the files and created a seven CD set 
of Debian 3.0r1... I grabbed a spare computer and booted the first CD, and 
began the installation process... Eventually I was booted up to the minimal 
post-install system and I logged in...

   Now, as a test system I would like to install all the packages 
available to really see what Debian is offering... During the install, I 
scanned all seven of the CD's, and then once I was logged in I wanted to 
install all the packages available... With Red Hat (please no flames), 
during install I would just mark 'Everything' as the package selection, and 
magically everything would be installed...

   Being new to Debian, I am unsure as to how to do the equivalent... Do I 
use apt-get? tasksel? umm... Not sure what else to try... I started 
SOMETHING last night (being up so late has made me forget what commmand I 
was running)... It's instlling tons of stuff and configuring it all as it 
goes...

   But is there an easier way to do this? An unattended way to do it, 
equivalent of setting the 'Everything' choice in Red Hat's install?

   In any case, from what I can tell thus far about Debian's community, I 
applaud you all. Debian appears to be a distribution that supports the Open 
Source mindset in the purest form.

   I'm sure once I get Debian installed as I desire, I will fall in love 
with it... It's just hard initially since I have been using Red Hat for 
about 7 years now...

Regards,
Brad
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Re: My email is rejected by some sites

[Adam]

On Saturday 13 December 2003 10:00, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am Do, den 11.12.2003 schrieb Thanasis Kinias um 21:51:
>> AOL was the first that I encountered to do this; over the
>> summer, they started blocking all e-mail originating from Cox IP
>> addresses.  Not long thereafter, Cox blocked all outbound SMTP except to
>> their own mailserver, so I had to go to relaying everything.
>> # For AOL...
>> 
>> aol:
>> driver = domainlist
> 
> I don't think this is a real solution. More and more providers block
> dynIPs, you will end up with a very long exim.conf. :-)

http://abuse.easynet.nl/dynablocker.html

Fortunately easynet.nl's blacklists, including the loathsome dynablock, 
are being discontinued.  Unfortunately, the replacement service that they 
are recommending also provides a dynamic IP blacklist.

I do think people who have this problem should make a point of complaining 
to postmasters of sites that block us from routing mail directly.

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Re: How to login as ROOT as start

[Albert Dengg]

Hi
If you really want to do this (it was discussed a few times here why not
to do it), and you want to to login with gdm edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and
change AllowRoot= (or even AllowRemoteRoot=) to true and you should be
fine. I don't know about gdm though. If it is a machine with only one
user at a time locally logged in, you could also run "xhost +local:" and
then do su to get root. you will then be able to start any X app from
any user you su'd to

yours
Albert

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> Hi folks,
> 
> How can I login as ROOT after booting at 'Desktop Manager" popup.  I
> am only allowed to login as USER both KDE and GNOME.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> B.R.
> Stephen Liu
> 
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Re: Copy all desktop settings for a new user

[Brad Sims]

On Saturday 13 December 2003 3:41 am, Philipp Schulte wrote:
> I am sure somebody must have a solution for this. Thanks for any
> pointers.

Hrm try copying and chmoding as needed: .kde, .gnome, .gnome2, .vimrc, .bashrc.

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Re: Use Debian mailinglists with slow connection to Internet?

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:14:25PM +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> The Debian mailing lists produce big trafic of email.  If I want to
> follow them regularly I have to use a slow and expensive connection to
> Internet (low quality phone line or mobile phone).  I tried to use
> offlineimap but this was only to realise that I can afford it.  May be
> other people have symilar problems (mobile computers, etc.).

How about using the newsgroup version at muc.lists.debian.user?

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Re: How to login as ROOT at start

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http://learn.to/quote please.

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 12:10:57PM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> While working as USER, I usually use following command on Konsole window
> to login as ROOT to do administration work, starting applications
> 
> ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That works.  So does su -m

> Because my Debian box is newly installed, not properly setup, X-window
> forwarding not configured. 

??  X forwarding has always just worked for me.

> Besides I am not quite experienced on Debian commands.  Therefore if
> I can login as ROOT directly at start it would simplify my work in
> setting up this Debian box.

No, logging in directly as root won't help you learn how to do it the
right way.

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Re: How to login as ROOT as start

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 12:33:31AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> How can I login as ROOT after booting at 'Desktop Manager" popup.  I am
> only allowed to login as USER both KDE and GNOME.

That's a Good Thing.  Log in as a normal user and run what you need
from a shell by getting root access with su -m instead.  You really
don't want to be running more than you have to as root.  Running an X
session as root is running way, way more than you have to as root.

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Re: My Debian box can't connect Internet

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Please turn your line wraps on and set them to about 72 columns and
consider http://learn.to/quote/

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 02:41:55PM +0100, Robert Storey wrote:
> You didn't say what kind of broadband you want to connect to. There
> would be a difference between adsl and cable, as well as pppoe and
> adsl with a fixed address.

Broadband refers exclusively to cable internet access (named because
of the broad piece of the radio spectrum being used to send it over
the cable, not because it's a fat pipe (though it is a fat pipe)).

> I'm not an expert, but I just yesterday connect to adsl (using
> pppoe). If that describes your situation, try running "pppoeconf" -
> it's fairly intuitive and it worked well for me.

PPPoE is generally only used by lesser-quality DSL providers, I'd
consider shopping for one that doesn't screw around with ways to screw
you out of bandwidth.

> As for using "ping", I understand that many web sites are blocking
> the ping command (or am I wrong about this?).  I'm using Guarddog as
> a firewall, and I've also got ping blocked.

You shouldn't.  Check the RFCs, responding to ping is a requirement.
It might be handy for big websites, but there's not much point in
disabling it except making it harder for your ISP to find network
faults (can't just ping customer machines and get packets back to see
how well a node is working, if a node is down in the case of cable).
Just leave ping enabled.

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Re: locales and coding systems

[Haines Brown]

> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:31:17PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> > The default coding system in emacs is determined by how I've set up
> > locales in debian. I went back to my installation notes, and according
> > to them, I had set the locale to utf-8.
> 
> I don't know exactly how emacs decides what coding system to use for
> new files. But this might be useful. This is from the emacs manual, in
> the section on international character set support, in the subsection
> about specifying coding:
> 
>   "The variable `default-buffer-file-coding-system' specifies
>   the choice of coding system to use when you create a new file.
>   It applies when you find a new file, and when you create a buffer
>   and then save it in a file.  Selecting a language environment
>   typically sets this variable to a good choice of default coding
>   system for that language environment."

The operative word here may be "typically." Despite some debate on this
issue, it seems my emacs 21.2.1 is supposed to support mule-ucs quite well.

> So I think you can either solve this by setting that variable or by
> changing your language environment. 

Something was indeed broken in setting my language environment, but it
is now apparently fixed. That is, after several configuration
attempts, $ locales now finally does return LANG=en_US.UTF-8. I
finally have that coding system listed in /etc/locales.gen. 

However, emacs still does not see it. Do you know of any little test
that might use the default coding system? For example, I could view a
text having accented chars in nedit, but it seems nedit does not
support them. Galeon does not disply utf-8 chars either.  

Setting the variable may be a useful work-around, but I'd rather find
out what is the cause of the problem. I do intend to return the emacs
forum to pursue it from that side, however.

Bijan, thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: Workbone - With Volume Control - How To Install?

[Scarletdown]

On 13 Dec 2003 at 2:09, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> Please set your mailer/editor linewrap to 68-75 characters.  I strongly
> recommend 72 as a good default.
> 
> Thank you.

Done.  I thought I had done that a while back; then remembered that I had 
switched my subscription over from my Yahoo account to my charter email 
address, as my Yahoo mailbox kept filling up too fast...
 
> workbone is an _ancient_ CD player.  Most desktop environments have
> built-ins which integrate to their toolbars / docks, there's a gkrellm
> player, etc.  Unless you need a console/ncurses mode player, I'd go with
> one of these.

I'm currently working from the console, logged in via either telnet or SSH.
That way, I can easily copy and paste output from PuTTY into Pegasus Mail 
messages.  I will eventually try out, I think it's called VNC?, for 
having a remote X desktop.  But that is pretty fr down on my checklist of 
objectives for this system at the moment.

> There's also cdtool, which is a commandline interface to CD playing.

I gave cdtool a try, after someone in IRC suggested it last night, but I 
could not get the cdvolume command to work.  I kept getting an error to 
the effect of IOCTL Failed, or something like that.

 
> 'workbone' _is_ the executable.  Try running it.

I tried running it from my home directory, which is where the file still 
was, and it didn't work.  This is the error that I got...

/usr/bin/workbone: No such file or directory 

I also copied it into /usr/bin and tried again to run it, and still got 
the same error.

So, I'm not going to push this issue any further.  Like someone else 
pointed out in another response in this thread, there are other console-
based CD players that I can try.  I will just keep trying others until I 
get one that works, and that I am comfortable with.


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Re: Setting Up Email

[Scarletdown]

On 13 Dec 2003 at 11:50, Anita Lewis wrote:


> I'm not sure on this, but I think your mail is going to be in
> /var/mail/gsutton9503.  It didn't go into scarletdown, because you 
didn't
> tell it to.  You should make a .fetchmailrc file for your home 
directory and
> include 
> 

I have it working now.  All I needed to do was log in as root and send a 
local email to scarletdown.  That created a mailbox in /var/mail.  After 
that I added one line to .muttrc

alias scarletdown gsutton9503

I was then able to send and receive emails properly.  That completes the 
email objective on my checklist now.  I will go about tweaking and fine 
tuning it with your suggestions below later.  Next up is the firewall and 
proxy.

> is "scarletdown" here
> 
> and like someone else said, use 'keep' in it until you get it working
> correctly.
> 
> For you it would be this:
> 
> poll mail.charter.net proto pop3 
>user "gsutton9503" is "scarletdown" here keep
> 
> You can also include: with pass "secret-password" 
> That goes after the user section on mine - not sure if it has to be 
there. 
> You need to make .fetchmailrc rw for only the owner so that no one 
outside
> can see your password.
> 
> chmod 600 .fetcmailrc
> 
> As for getting your mail, if you find that file in /var/mail, first 
make
> sure that you do not have scarletdown there.  If you have root 
privilege on
> the machine, then you can change the name with 'mv' and change the 
owner. 
> It should already be group 'mail' and have rw for both owner and group, 
I
> think.  So you could just do:
> 
> mv gsutton9503 scarletdown
> chown scarletdown scarletdown
> 
> Then mutt should go right to it and any future mail should be added on 
to
> that file.
> 
> Anita
> 
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I can't update SPARC unstable

[Scott Robert Ladd]

The maddening thing is, the update worked for the Sparc a couple of 
weeks ago, but hasn't worked at all in the last few days. Meanwhile, the 
Intel boxes update without any problems. I have not changed my 
sources.list, which is rather simple:

  deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib

The ia32 boxes have a few mroe entries for sources and non-US packages, 
but are using the line above. I've tried other protocols and servers 
without much success.

Suggestions?

Thanks.

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Re: Why is konqueror my x-www-browser when it doesn't provide it?

[Nunya]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:27:54PM -0500, Travis Crump wrote:
> Nunya wrote:
> >Why is konqeror my x-www-browser when it doesn't "Provide" it?
> 
> See 
> 

So it's a bug?

I was looking for someone to say "no, this is correct behavior, and 
here's why it's like that."  Is it a mistake?


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Re: My Debian box can't connect Internet

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 12:29:33AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Kindly advise how to fix the problem.

Wow!  Thank you!  That's a good start, thanks for giving lots of
detail.

What happens if you try pinging 66.218.71.86 (w7.scd.yahoo.com, one of
the servers that listens to www.yahoo.com)?

Take a look at /sbin/ifconfig and see if eth0 is listed there, and if
so, what the IP on it is.

If that looks good, check /etc/resolv.conf and make sure there's a
nameserver or two listed.

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hostname bogosity

[Michael D. Harnois]

I'm perplexed by a network configuration problem on my system. hostname
returns the correct name; yet on startup, KDE says "Can't get own host
name. Your system is severely misconfigured," and my DHCP server doesn't
recognize the hostname for the system either. Where could the problem
be?

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Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:34:30AM +0100, Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka wrote:
> > with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it.
> Can someone tell me where I can find nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496 package for
> installing nvidia-glx?

- From building nvidia-kernel-source

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Re: Why is konqueror my x-www-browser when it doesn't provide it?

[Travis Crump]

Nunya wrote:
On my machine:

# update-alternatives --display x-www-browser
x-www-browser - status is auto.
 link currently points to /usr/bin/konqueror
/usr/bin/konqueror - priority 100
Current `best' version is /usr/bin/konqueror.
But:
$ grep-available -FProvides x-www-browser

Why is konqeror my x-www-browser when it doesn't "Provide" it?


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Re: Bug in testing abiword package?

[Travis Crump]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Under testing and gnome 2.2  I'm trying to install abiword issuing the command
"apt-get install abiword".  The installation fails immediatedly because
(unfortunately I'm translating from Italian into English!) "Abiword depends on
libperl5.6 (>= 5.6.1-8.3) while you're using  version 5.6.1-8.2". After an
"apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" I still have a  libperl5.6  5.6.1-8.2
perfectly installed.
Have I found a bug or there's something I can't catch?
Please help
Vittorio

There isn't a testing abiword package right now; libperl5.6 isn't in 
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Re: locales and coding systems

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:31:17PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> The default coding system in emacs is determined by how I've set up
> locales in debian. I went back to my installation notes, and according
> to them, I had set the locale to utf-8.

I don't know exactly how emacs decides what coding system to use for
new files. But this might be useful. This is from the emacs manual, in
the section on international character set support, in the subsection
about specifying coding:

"The variable `default-buffer-file-coding-system' specifies
the choice of coding system to use when you create a new file.
It applies when you find a new file, and when you create a buffer
and then save it in a file.  Selecting a language environment
typically sets this variable to a good choice of default coding
system for that language environment."

So I think you can either solve this by setting that variable or by
changing your language environment. I think the version of emacs you are
using doesn't support utf-8 or doesn't support it fully. So you should
probably set your language environment to either English/Ascii or one
of the European ones/Latin-1.

The info on how to change your language environment is in the same
section under the subsection Language Environments. But if you want
to do it manually simply, go in the menu-bar under options -> mule ->
set language environment.

Hope that helps,
Bijan
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Re: ide DMA on Intel 865PE

[Rune Maagensen]

Dobai-Pataky Balint wrote:

> On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 22:27, Rune Maagensen wrote:
> 
>> using_dma=  0 (off)
> 
> 
> try hdparm -i device, to see what modes are suported by hdd
> 

/dev/hda:

 Model=Maxtor 6Y080P0, FwRev=YAR41BW0, SerialNo=Y2Q5NXLE
 Config={ Fixed }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=7936kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=160086528
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6
 AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled
 Drive Supports : ataATA-1 ATA-2 ATA-3 ATA-4 ATA-5 ATA-6 ATA-7

I looks like the drive supports all modern modes.

> and a  cat /proc/ide/piix for more info,

Well that doesn't exist on my system.

this does however:
hubble:/home/admin# less /proc/ide/ide0/hda/settings
namevalue   min max mode
-   --- --- 
acoustic0   0   254 rw
address 0   0   2   rw
bios_cyl99640   65535   rw
bios_head   255 0   255 rw
bios_sect   63  0   63  rw
breada_readahead8   0   255 rw
bswap   0   0   1   r
current_speed   0   0   70  rw
failures0   0   65535   rw
file_readahead  124 0   16384   rw
init_speed  0   0   70  rw
io_32bit0   0   3   rw
keepsettings0   0   1   rw
lun 0   0   7   rw
max_failures1   0   65535   rw
max_kb_per_request  128 1   255 rw
multcount   16  0   16  rw
nice1   1   0   1   rw
nowerr  0   0   1   rw
number  0   0   3   rw
pio_modewrite-only  0   255 w
slow0   0   1   rw
unmaskirq   0   0   1   rw
using_dma   0   0   1   rw
wcache  0   0   1   rw

 
> my opinion is you can safely turn on simple dma(hdparm -d1 device), you
> can only worry about udma modes (-X66 ->-X69), that's the only way i can
> get an irq timeout on the hdd.
> 

Ok, thanks, but is there a performance penalty from running normal DMA compared to 
UDMA, I know both the disk and chipset is capable?

TIA
Rune


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Re: Installing all packages

[Brad Stockdale]

Hello all,

   I am new to the list and new to Debian. I've been using Linux since 
1996, and my distribution of choice has always been Red Hat. That is, until 
Red Hat as a company started persuing goals that I had no desire to be 
involved with.

   So, that left me with some choices to make. I needed to find a new 
distribution that had goals and a community that I wanted to be involved 
with, and after reviewing about a dozen distributions, I decided that I 
would like to invest some more time into seeing if Debian was the right one 
for me...

   Having said that, I have jigdo'd the files and created a seven CD set 
of Debian 3.0r1... I grabbed a spare computer and booted the first CD, and 
began the installation process... Eventually I was booted up to the minimal 
post-install system and I logged in...

   Now, as a test system I would like to install all the packages 
available to really see what Debian is offering... During the install, I 
scanned all seven of the CD's, and then once I was logged in I wanted to 
install all the packages available... With Red Hat (please no flames), 
during install I would just mark 'Everything' as the package selection, and 
magically everything would be installed...

   Being new to Debian, I am unsure as to how to do the equivalent... Do I 
use apt-get? tasksel? umm... Not sure what else to try... I started 
SOMETHING last night (being up so late has made me forget what commmand I 
was running)... It's instlling tons of stuff and configuring it all as it 
goes...

   But is there an easier way to do this? An unattended way to do it, 
equivalent of setting the 'Everything' choice in Red Hat's install?

   In any case, from what I can tell thus far about Debian's community, I 
applaud you all. Debian appears to be a distribution that supports the Open 
Source mindset in the purest form.

   I'm sure once I get Debian installed as I desire, I will fall in love 
with it... It's just hard initially since I have been using Red Hat for 
about 7 years now...

Regards,
Brad 

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Re: dosemu: access denied

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 11:44:04AM +0100, Boudewijn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed dosemu 1.0.2.1 into my Sarge system.
> 
> Commands like dir work, but whenever I need disk access, for example
> C:\> md myprogs,I get:
> C:\> md: access denied
> 
> I do not understand where the C: drive is located, but root should 
> surely have access.
> Shellscript /usr/bin/dosemu + executable /usr/bin/dosemu.bin are 
> root:root and -rwxr-xr-x.

C is not a real drive it just contains the basic files needed to have 
freedos funtion (command.com, ls.exe, etc.).

You can run dosemu -h or xdosemu -h to have it mount your home directory
as the d: drive. I do this and create a dos directory in my home directory
and store my dos stuff in there.

Hope that helps,
Bijan
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Re: only root able to play music cds? (2nd try)

[Hubert Chan]

> "michelle" == michelle  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

michelle> I have things set up so that members of the audio group can
michelle> use the sound cards. Users can mount and unmount cds. But only
michelle> root can play music off the cd. Not even members of the disk
michelle> and audio groups can do that.

The CD-ROM device is probably owned by the cdrom group.  Check
/dev/cdrom.

Users can mount CDs because mount is SUID root.

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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[Kent West]

John Hasler wrote:

Terry writes:
 

Now, if you are just doing this "in good faith" or making a "best
effort", you're asking for a lawsuit the first time somebody buys your
stuff and can't get the "backalley joe" Linux distro version 0.0.2 to
work with it.  Either that, or you're just going to be giving people
their money-back an awful lot.
   

So you guarantee that it works with a specific version of a specific
distribution.  And ship it with that version installed and running.
 

Or to make it even simpler:
 "Designed for Knoppix 3.3 11-02-2003"
and include that Knoppix CD without an OS installed. That'd be good 
enough guarantee for me.

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Bug in testing abiword package?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Under testing and gnome 2.2  I'm trying to install abiword issuing the command
"apt-get install abiword".  The installation fails immediatedly because
(unfortunately I'm translating from Italian into English!) "Abiword depends on
libperl5.6 (>= 5.6.1-8.3) while you're using  version 5.6.1-8.2". After an
"apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" I still have a  libperl5.6  5.6.1-8.2
perfectly installed.
Have I found a bug or there's something I can't catch?
Please help
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Re: The Debian installer

[Damon L. Chesser]

Joey Hess wrote:

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
 

Failed to fetch 
http://non-us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz  
404 Not Found
   

It should not be trying to use non-us. What does your
/etc/apt/sources.list look like?
 

So:  where can I find the Installer, or how can I fix this problem with 
the cvs script?
   

You can download some cd images from
http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/
 

How do I send an e-mail to Sebastion to thank him for the image?  His 
main page is german and I can't read german.

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Re: The Debian installer

[Damon L. Chesser]

Joey Hess wrote:

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
 

Failed to fetch 
http://non-us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz  
404 Not Found
   

It should not be trying to use non-us. What does your
/etc/apt/sources.list look like?
 

# See sources.list(5) for more information

#Libranet
# deb http://libranetlinux.com/ updates/2.8/
# deb http://libranetlinux.com/ security/2.8/
#Debian
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free 
#deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free 

#Debian Non-US
deb http://non-us.debian.org/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free 
#deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free 

#Debian security updates
deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ sarge/updates main 
contrib non-free
deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stable/updates main 
contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ sarge/updates main 
contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stable/updates main 
contrib non-free

Libranet is commented out for this purpose.  Why not use non-US?  What 
should be used?

 

So:  where can I find the Installer, or how can I fix this problem with 
the cvs script?
   

You can download some cd images from
http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/
 

Thanks for that link, I have searched in vain for one like that, they 
all lead back to Debian or broken links for woody net installs!  
Much easier then cvs!

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Re: The Debian installer

[Joey Hess]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Failed to fetch 
> http://non-us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz
>   
> 404 Not Found

It should not be trying to use non-us. What does your
/etc/apt/sources.list look like?

> So:  where can I find the Installer, or how can I fix this problem with 
> the cvs script?

You can download some cd images from
http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/

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Re: only root able to play music cds? (2nd try)

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

michelle (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I have things set up so that members of the audio group can use the
> sound cards. Users can mount and unmount cds. But only root can play
> music off the cd. Not even members of the disk and audio groups can do
> that.
> 
> How do I fix this so members of audio can use cd player apps (playing
> cds from alsaplayer in particular)?

I already wrote an answer to your last question, but here it is again:

Do you use ide-scsi emulation for your cdrom drives? If yes, add the
users to the cdrom group. Also, check the permissions of /dev/sg*. Some
programs (like the audiocd plugin for konqueror) use these devices,
changing ownership from root.root to root.cdrom and making them
read-writable for the group may help. If you don't use ide-scsi
emulation, better change ownership for the cdrom device files from
root.disk to root.cdrom instead adding users to the disk group. Members
of the disk group have full write access to all harddisks.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[Geoff Bagley]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Sitton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect


>Only problem was, and have experienced this, Dell
> would not honor their warranty if it was shipped with winblows, and got
> formated and Linux installed.


That is the same story from Evesham. (So they told me).
Would they not still be liable under common law to sell hardware
fit for the intended purpose ?

Geoff.


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minicom vs pon

[csj]

I have a serial modem connected via a usb serial converter.  I
noticed that if I turn the modem off then on, I can no longer
connect via pon (ppp) *unless* I reset the modem or serial link by
other means, like disconnecting and reconnecting the usb serial
converter or invoking "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart".

OTOH I can "instantly" dial out with minicom or even efax.
Somewhat surprising is that after I use either program, I can
already connect via pon.  I must assume that minicom and efax
issue commands to "prep" the modem.  Does anybody know how these
two programs differ from pon in the way they interact with the
modem?  I need to place something in my crontab so I can use pon
without user intervention.


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Re: My Debian box can't connect Internet

[Robert Storey]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:02:16 +0800
Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Stephen,

I told pppoeconf that I didn't want to start the network at boot. To start it anytime: 
Open an xterm, su to root. Then try this:

  pon dsl-provider

You can use the "plog" command to see what effect this had, or "ifconfig ppp0"

Similarly to kill the connection:

  poff dsl-provider

That's what works for me. The next thing (actually, a question I want to ask on this 
list) is how to do this without becoming root.

regards,
Robert


> Hi Robert,
> 
> Thanks for your advice.
> 
> The Debian box is connected to broadband via a ADSL modem with dynamic
> IP.  I ran  'pppoeconfig' to setup the connection.  Up to this point it
> seemed without problem, ISP connected and confirmed with 'ifconfig'. 
> But connection to Internet was blocked.  I searched around to find out
> whether the gateway in the network card has entry which will mislead
> looking to the gateway and could not find it.  '/etc/init.d/iptables
> stop' reconfirmed firewall having not started (I have not configured
> firewall yet).
> 
> I could not discover the cause of blocking connection to Internet.
> 
> B.R.
> Stephne
> 


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remote GNOME session over ssh fails

[lloyd]

I start a local X session and run a GNOME session on another machine:

  X &
  xterm -display :0 -e ssh -X -f remotehost gnome-session
For awhile this worked - now it's mysteriously not working.  I just get 
the blank X root window, and nothing else happens.

However, if I drop the -f parameter for ssh, it works:

  X &
  xterm -display :0 -e ssh -X remotehost gnome-session
...but I have an ugly xterm window on my display - disconcerting for 
non-techie users, who often close the window and thus end the GNOME 
session altogether.

any ideas what might be going on?

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Why is konqueror my x-www-browser when it doesn't provide it?

[Nunya]

On my machine:

# update-alternatives --display x-www-browser
x-www-browser - status is auto.
 link currently points to /usr/bin/konqueror
/usr/bin/konqueror - priority 100
Current `best' version is /usr/bin/konqueror.

But:
$ grep-available -FProvides x-www-browser


Why is konqeror my x-www-browser when it doesn't "Provide" it?


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Re: [OT] C programming, variable size array

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Debian User wrote:
if you really have to do it in a low-level language, do it in assembly 
native to that processor. you can even write them inline within your 
C code.

asm(" mnemonic_instruction operand, operand");


Debian User wrote:

> if you really have to do it in a low-level language, do it in 
assembly native to that processor. you can even write them inline within 
your C code.
>
> asm(" mnemonic_instruction operand, operand");
>
>

That actually is a good point. I learned programming that way in 1967. 
But where do I find the docs to code that way on my i386 PC with an 
Athlon Thuderbird CPU? Back in those days with IBM, processing power was 
low: you shared the S/360 in the backroom, as of yet no terminals, but 
there were manuals galore...

Hugo.

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Re: My Debian box can't connect Internet

[Stephen Liu]

Hi Robert,

Thanks for your advice.

The Debian box is connected to broadband via a ADSL modem with dynamic
IP.  I ran  'pppoeconfig' to setup the connection.  Up to this point it
seemed without problem, ISP connected and confirmed with 'ifconfig'. 
But connection to Internet was blocked.  I searched around to find out
whether the gateway in the network card has entry which will mislead
looking to the gateway and could not find it.  '/etc/init.d/iptables
stop' reconfirmed firewall having not started (I have not configured
firewall yet).

I could not discover the cause of blocking connection to Internet.

B.R.
Stephne


On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 21:41, Robert Storey wrote:
> Dear Stephen,
> 
> You didn't say what kind of broadband you want to connect to. There would be a 
> difference between adsl and cable, as well as pppoe and adsl with a fixed address.
> 
> I'm not an expert, but I just yesterday connect to adsl (using pppoe). If that 
> describes your situation, try running "pppoeconf" - it's fairly intuitive and it 
> worked well for me.
> 
> As for using "ping", I understand that many web sites are blocking the ping command 
> (or am I wrong about this?).  I'm using Guarddog as a firewall, and I've also got 
> ping blocked.
> 
> regards,
> Robert
> 
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:29:33 +0800
> Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > My Debian box can't connect Internet, Broadband connected.  
> > 
> > # ifconfig
> > showed connecting ISP
> > 
> > I played around with following files without a solution;
> > 
> > # cat /etc/network/ifstate 
> > lo=lo
> > eth0=eth0
> > 
> > # cat /etc/network/interfaces 
> > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration
> > file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) 
> > # The loopback interface 
> > auto lo 
> > iface lo inet loopback 
> > # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian
> > installationauto eth0
> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
> > 
> > # cat /etc/network/spoof-protect
> > LOCAL_IPS="127.0.0.1/8"
> > LOCAL_IFACES="eth0 eth1 ppp0"
> > (Remark: having tried;
> > #LOCAL_IPS="127.0.0.1/8"
> > #LOCAL_IFACES="eth0 eth1 ppp0"
> > LOCAL_IFACES="eth0 ppp0"
> > 
> > After each change made
> > # /etc/init.d/networking restart 
> > Reconfiguring network interfaces: done)
> > 
> > # cat /etc/network/interfaces.dpkg-new 
> > # (no output, an empty file)
> > 
> > # cat /etc/network/options 
> > ip_forward=no 
> > spoofprotect=yes
> > syncookies=no
> > (having tried;
> > ip_forward=yes
> > spoofprotect=no
> > syncookies=yes)
> > 
> > # ping -c 3 www.yahoo.com
> > ping: unknown host www.yahoo.com
> > 
> > # /etc/init.d/iptables stop
> > Aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset, "inactive".
> > 
> > iptables has not been configured yet
> > 
> > Kindly advise how to fix the problem.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > B.R.
> > Stephen Liu


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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:08:45 +, Colin Watson wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:30:35AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned:
>> > That's pretty cool.  I also recommend this site as well...
>> > 
>> > http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html
>> 
>> Ah, some neat stuff, and much more budget-friendly.  But tell me, does
>> anyone ever actually wear cufflinks?  I mean, other than to a funeral,
>> where probably little penguins wouldn't be greatly appreciated by the
>> other mourners.
> 
> I do from time to time. I had to regretfully give up on wearing a
> cufflinked shirt to a party recently because I couldn't find either of
> my two pairs of cufflinks at short notice (yeah, I'm disorganized).
> 
> Dress sense might be a bit different in the UK from that in the US,
> though.

Speaking as an expat Welshman who emigrated from London, yes, it is a
little different.  I prefer to wear cufflinks;  unfortunately,
single-cuffed shirts in the US do not generally have the extra buttonhole
by the cuff button, so, if one wants to wear cufflinks, one has to wear
double-cuffed shirts.

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The Debian installer

[Damon L. Chesser]

Hi all, first post here!
I have been using Libranet and love it.  However, having first learned 
GNU/LInux by way of Debian, I will from time to time install a Debian 
box just to stay rusty.  Now I want to install Debian and get all the 
functionality I have with Libranet.  This is an intellectual exercise; 
the purpose is to be able to install from scratch in a professional 
environment.  Toward this end, I really want to try out the Debian 
installer, but since the servers where hacked, I have been unable to 
find it. 

I tried using CVS, but the make image script  issues in errors stating 
that it cannot find the files on the net.  Quote:

Failed to fetch 
http://non-us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz  
404 Not Found
Reading Package Lists... Done
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old 
ones used instead.
Failed to update the Packages file. This usually means of of two things:

A) sources.list.udeb does not contain a vaild repository.
  You can override the generates sources.list.udeb
  with sources.list.udeb.local if you haven't done so yet.
B) The repository in sources.list.udeb is not reachable.
  If you are not working online use 'export ONLINE=n' to skip updating
  the Packages files. Beware that this can result in images with
  out-of-date packages and should be used for private developement only.
make: *** [cdrom-get_udebs-stamp] Error 1
END QUOTE.

So:  where can I find the Installer, or how can I fix this problem with 
the cvs script?

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Re: locales and coding systems

[Haines Brown]

Vineet,

Well perhaps some progress, perhaps not.

> * Haines Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031212 14:02]:
> > Logged and back in and went to save my test file. The test
> > failed. That is, I'm still being prompted for the coding system, and
> > utf-16-le is offered as the default.
> >=20
> > The command $ locales tells me that locales is installed (status is
> > ii).=20
> >=20
> > However, the $ locale command still only returns LANG=3DPOSTFIX for
> > LANG. It still lacks a line such as LANG=3Den-US.utf-8.  The coding
> > system I selected with locales configuration is not reported.
> 
> Try it after puttin something like this in your .bashrc:
> 
> LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8
> export LANG

Well, I put these lines into /etc/bash.bashrc. This did in fact put
LANG into bash's environment, and when I ran $ locales, it does
report LANG=en_US.UTF-8 rather than LANG=POSIX. However, that
information is not being used by emacs when it tries to find the
default coding system (when I try to save a file with accendted
characters, I'm told there's no default language and utf-16-le is
offered as the option by default).

Since I managed to install locales, I noticed that now I have a
/etc/locale.gen file, and when I look into it, I find that apparently
the coding system is supposed to be written there when I run
dpkg-reconfigure locales. For some reason nothing was written when I
configured locales initially, but now when I run dpkg-reconfigure, I
find added to it the line: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8.

I relogged in again and now have:

$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

Looks good, but then I tested to see if emacs would now see
UTF-8 as the coding system in use. It did not ;-(. I've slowly gotten
to the point where it seems that emacs should pick up the coding
system, but it fails to do so.

Do you happen to know which of these variable names is likely to be
the one used by emacs? At this point, I may need to approach the
problem from the emacs side, but my sense is that the problem is not
there.   

Haines Brown 


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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:58:25 -0700, s. keeling wrote:

> 
> If you need to understand it to use it, you've got the source.  What
> more could you need?  That's not good enough?  Don't use it.  You
> think it would be better with good documentation?  Great.  Go write
> some.  Oh, you want me to write some?  Why?  I don't think it needs
> it since I have no trouble using it.
> 

Try reading uncommented source.  Even stuff you wrote yourself.  Part of
documentation is comprehensive commenting of source code.  It is a pain to
write, but if one is writing code which someone else may have to maintain
or understand, and one has not documented one's source, then one has done
a half-assed job and should be condemned to a year of writing COBOL
accounting programs with a line editor.

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:06:01 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> 
> When I donated this year I tried to make an estimate of how much I might
> have paid on proprietary software to do what I've been doing with free
> software over the last few years, and to contribute at least that much.
> 
> To be honest I probably underestimated--it's easy to forget how expensive
> software can be.
> 
> Anyway it's something to consider, since I know this is the time of
> year when a lot of people donate
> 
> --Bruce Fields

Good for you, Bruce.  I admit to having been miserly in donating either
money or time, but this year I will donate $, and next year I will figure
out how to donate time/skill also.

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Re: Workbone - With Volume Control - How To Install?

[Brian Potkin]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:24:46AM -0800, Scarletdown wrote:

> i just tried out the workbone CD player that is installable via
> apt-get.  It's a decent console- based player, except for one problem.
> It has no volume control.

I agree with your assessment of workbone as a decent console-based cd
player but if you see lack of volume control as a problem there is
always the option of installing a mixer program.  To mention several
packages: aumix is said to be a competent utility and mp3blaster
can play cd's and comes with nmixer; I use alsamixer.  All do rather
more than control the sound volume of a cd.
 
> Anyway, I did a bit of snooping around and came across this:
> 
> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/derouler/info/workbone/index.html.en
> 
> That is the same player, but with the + and - keys set to provide
> volume control.

Just tried this.  The + key increases the volume but doesn't take the
output to a very high level.  Your experience may be different.

> I downloaded it and uncompressed it, but now, how do I actually
> install it?
> 
> The files that are now sitting in my home directory after
> uncompressing the tgz file are:
> 
> hardware.c
> workbone
> workbone.h
> struct.h
> workbone.c
> 
> So, what does I have to do with these to get a working player?  The
> site the tgz file was downloaded from has no instructions on how to
> install this.

Install the file workbone somewhere in your home directory and run it
from there.  Or you could use /usr/local/bin.

Brian.


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Re: Easing the load.

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:50:15 +0800, David Palmer wrote:

> I have seen what I believe is a need for an additional mailing list, not
> so much for the benefit of the developers' list, but most definitely for
> the sake of sanity on debian-user. I have posted to curiosain
> recognition of their patience with an O.T. situation.
> 
[snip]
> 
> 
> As a migration point for O.T. threads that are creating a
> distraction within the main lists. There are two aspects to
> this:-
> 
> (1). The distracting, disruptive influence just stated, and
> 
> (2). The carry over and clutter created within the corresponding
> archive. The last thing a busy admin needs when a server is
> down, and she requires the answer to a problem, is to have to
> wade through a tide of irrelevant flotsam and jetsam. Having the
> facility of a list of this nature would have the effect of
> really cleaning up the archives.
> 
> Non productive O.T. threads could, with the consensus of three
> other list members (to avoid personality clash scenarios) for
> example, could be migrated to the proposed list, leaving the
> main list to proceed productively, maintaining the integrity of
> the archive. If the thread becomes too off the wall for the new
> list, and after an initial negotiation fails, the
> personality(ies) could be unsubscribed. I believe the new list
> could be as productively essential as any other in its' own way,
> I do not see it as the dumping ground for the collective Debian
> effluviant, just a little further down the alimentary tract
> perhaps ;
> 
[snip]

So, you are wanting debian-user to become a moderated list, basically. 
What if there are three other list members who *don't* want the thread to
be migrated?

I think that the whole idea is unworkable, and, anyway, for the most part,
I enjoy the OT threads, although I resist (mostly) the temptation to add
to them.

If one is an admin with a critical server down, maybe one ought to be
engaging the services of a support professional.  (I know they're
not your exact words, but "Critical server down" implies a business or
commercial service, and one maybe shouldn't be relying on free advice to
support that.)

The idea of moderating a list by the "three people don't like the thread"
method, and of moving threads, and of banning people, smacks of bullying
to me, and will almost certainly generate more heat than light, as people
gang up against one another.  I bet that one could find three people to
move a thread or ban a subscriber based simply on length or content of a
sig. Someone has already posted that they consider all sigs as "spam". 
And the volume of posts arguing about the usefulness or topicality of
threads will probably be greater than the volume of OT threads anyway.

I think the solution to the "server down, need answer NOW" issue is:

1.  Ask on the #debian IRC channel
2.  Get better at refining Google searches.
3.  Use professional support services.

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neither are we allowed by law to operate 
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I will like you to provide immediately your full
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dial-up timeouts

[Vaclav Smidl]

Hi,
I have got a strange behaviour with ppp.
When I got connected, all programs using network (kmail,mozilla) suddenly
becomes very slow. They hangs for minutes without response.
When I shut down pppd, everything becomes normal.
I have a suspicion that it wait for some servise that is not avalilable
and it wait until timeouted.
The only application that is not affected is Konqueror - it works like a
charm.

I have no idea where to look. Can anybody recommend what logs to look
at?

Thanks in advance,

Vasek


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Re: spurious interrupt

[Roberto Sanchez]

Robert Storey wrote:
For some reason, when I logged on today I received this message:

  "spurious 8259A, interrupt: IRQ7"

I'm not sure if this is anything to worry about at all. Anyone have an idea what it means?

regards,
Robert

If you have an nForce2 mobo, this is actually normal, and harmless.

-Roberto


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Re: Script for subscribung/unsubscribing Debian-user?

[Clive Standbridge]

On Fri 12 Dec 2003 23:57:05 +(+0100), Andreas von Heydwolff wrote:
> Just wondering - is it possible to write a script for mailing a few 
> initial subscribe or unsubscribe messages for one's favorite lists to 
> the server managing the listmembers or does this process depend on the 
> web page/cgi or whatever?

Something like this?

Create a file called subscribe containing, with lists set to taste:

#!/bin/bash
lists='user cd security-announce'   # (for example)
for x in $lists
do
echo | (set -x; mail -s ${0##*/} [EMAIL PROTECTED])
done


Then do
chmod +x subscribe
ln -s subscribe unsubscribe

To unsubscribe do
./unsubscribe
To re-subscribe do
./subscribe

NB mail is in the mailx package. Substitute mutt for mail if you prefer.

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Dear Friend,

I am a project manager with the FEDERAL MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (FMWH). 
I obtained your email from the internet, while
searching for a reliable person, who could assist us
in receiving kick-backs funds from contractors awarded
contracts executed under the current budgetary
allocation for NDDC. These bills had been approved for
payment by the concerned ministry. The contracts had
been executed, commissioned.

What we are about to receive now is a kick back from
the contractors whom we helped obtain the contracts
and process their payments.

On our part, all modalities had been worked out in
ensuring a smooth transaction within the next Ten
days. All I want from you is your details to enable
these foreign contractors forward the kick-back sums
to you on our behalf, because as government officials
we cannot collect these kick-backs directly from them,
neither are we allowed by law to operate 
foreign accounts. 

I will like you to provide immediately your full
names, address, and telephone  number if you are
interested.

Please note: there will be no financial obligation
required from you and this transaction is risk free.
For each kick-back received by you on our behalf, you
are entitled to 10% of  that sum.

As soon as you indicate your interest, further
instructions will be passed on to you on the procedure
that we will follow in accomplishing 
this deal.

Reply confidential email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:07:00 -0600, tripolar wrote:

> I am familiar with compiling kernel
> #make menuconfig
> #make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make
> modules_install
> 
> does this process work for debian? I usually download kernel from
> kernel.org but I will use apt-get install new kernel if I am confident
> that I wont break anything :-)
> Please direct me to clean documention on how to compile kernel debian
> way 
> Thanks

I found this one concise and useful when starting out:

http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html

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only root able to play music cds? (2nd try)

[michelle]

I have things set up so that members of the audio group can use the sound 
cards. Users can mount and unmount cds. But only root can play music off 
the cd. Not even members of the disk and audio groups can do that.

How do I fix this so members of audio can use cd player apps (playing cds 
from alsaplayer in particular)?



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Re: [OT] C programming, variable size array

[Paul Morgan]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:57:12 -0500, Hubert Chan wrote:

> 
> 
>> "John" == John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> John> #include 
> John> int main
> John> (
> John>int  nNumberofArguments,
> 
> Your variable names are too long, which decreases readability.  Having
> such a long name does not convey any more information than a shorter
> name such as "numArgs" (or "numArguments").  Not to mention that
> Hungarian notation is ugly.
> 
> Also, since your program does not make use of the command line
> arguments, you might as well just omit the parameters to main.
> 
[snip]

Man, a code walkthrough on debian-user!  Cool!  And a reminder for me not
to post any of *my* code :>

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Re: dosemu: access denied

[Robert Storey]

Dear Boudewijn,

It's been awhile since I used dosemu, but as I recall...

The "C: drive" is an image file that you specify, or you could specify a partition. 
You make this setting in file /etc/dosemu.conf, for example:

in file /etc/dosemu.conf: $_hdimage = "/dev/hda1"

In the above example, I've specified a partition. You could just specify a file. Make 
sure that file is writable - if it's read only, you'll have problems.

You should be able to start dosemu with the command: dos -k

And exit with the command "exitemu"

good luck,
Robert


On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:44:04 +0100
Boudewijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I installed dosemu 1.0.2.1 into my Sarge system.
> 
> Commands like dir work, but whenever I need disk access, for example
> C:\> md myprogs,I get:
> C:\> md: access denied
> 
> I retried as root, + I tried commenting out  of /etc/dosemu/users
> "all nosuidroot c_all# disallow suid access by default"
> And "all suidroot".
> 
> I do not understand where the C: drive is located, but root should 
> surely have access.
> Shellscript /usr/bin/dosemu + executable /usr/bin/dosemu.bin are 
> root:root and -rwxr-xr-x.
> 
> md is probably part of /usr/lib/freedos/command
> which is a "link to unknown" (?) root:root and lrw-r--r--
> and al commands in freedos/bin are root:root and -rw-r--r-
> some of these, say touch, should also access the drive.
> Should here be some x'es?
> 
> Found a log in /tmp:
> 
> Running unpriviledged in low feature mode
> kernel CPU speed is 2399000798 Hz
> Running on CPU=586, FPU=1
> using stderr for debug-output
> debug flags: -a
> debug flags: -dARWDCvXkiTsm#pQgcwhIExMnPrSgZ
> ERROR: X: Unable to open font "vga"ERROR: X: Unable to open font 
> "vga"ERROR: , trying "vga"...
> ERROR: , trying "vga"...
> ERROR: X: Unable to open font "vga"ERROR: X: Unable to open font 
> "vga"ERROR: , trying "9x15"...
> ERROR: , trying "9x15"...
> 
> These fonts seem not the problem.
> 
> Ideas anybody? Boudewijn
> 
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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[John Hasler]

Terry writes:
> Now, if you are just doing this "in good faith" or making a "best
> effort", you're asking for a lawsuit the first time somebody buys your
> stuff and can't get the "backalley joe" Linux distro version 0.0.2 to
> work with it.  Either that, or you're just going to be giving people
> their money-back an awful lot.

So you guarantee that it works with a specific version of a specific
distribution.  And ship it with that version installed and running.
-- 
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Re: spurious interrupt

[Robert Storey]

Dear Andy,

Thanks for the reply. I'm embarassed that I didn't do a proper job of searching for 
the answer myself.

One possible source of the problem may be that I have a routing conflict between irq 7 
and irq 9 caused by my sound card clashing with the sound device built into the 
motherboard (dmesg tells me this). But if I remove the sound card, I get no sound - 
the sound port on the motherboard doesn't seem to work.

Thanks again for the help.

best regards,
Robert

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:09:17 -0500
Andy Firman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 06:47:01PM +0100, Robert Storey wrote:
> > For some reason, when I logged on today I received this message:
> > 
> >   "spurious 8259A, interrupt: IRQ7"
> > 
> > I'm not sure if this is anything to worry about at all. Anyone have an idea what 
> > it means?
> 
> I did a little searching for you.  There was a recent thread on this.
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg05114.html
> 
> Then I found this for you:
> 
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html#spurious-8259A-interrupt
> 
> spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ14
> 
> Short summary: It's a hardware problem (usually). Transient Line-noise/crosstalk 
> persuades the PIC
> that something happened; this can result in a 'dummy' interrupt being raised, which 
> happens to be IRQ7
> with intel's 8259 design.The problem could possibly also be caused by (or instead be 
> caused by) a device
> driver not properly masking its interrupts before servicing, this would be the 
> suspect if the IRQ7's were
> happening in bursts, or more often than 'several' per day. (Source and additional 
> information)
> 
> Since the message itself is harmless, it's enough to adjust the default loglevel 
> outplut of klogd (the
> -c opion) in the syslogd bootscript. See man klogd for details. You can also try 
> recompiling the kernel
> and unset CONFIG_LOCAL_APIC.
> 
> 
> -Andy
> 
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Re: When will packages.debian.org be available again?

[Paul Brossier]

That's something i would like to know too ?!

Paul


On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:51:11PM +0100, Neodym123 wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Does anyone know, when the packages list and search on www.debian.org 
> will be available again?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> U.Lukas
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] C programming, variable size array

[Paul Morgan]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:56:54 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 23:40 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
> [snip]
>> 
>> In the real world:
>> 
>> Do the simplest thing that is consistent with the specification.
>> Someone, whose skill level you can't predict, is going to have to
>> maintain it after you.
> 
> Corollary: Regardless of the skill level of the person who maintains
> the code after you, they will find your implementation unsatisfactory,
> bitch about it at every opportunity, and beg repeatedly to be allowed to
> rewrite it.
>
> (I recently made this point at a code review.  Someone paused and said,
> "You know, you're right.  In 20 years of software development, I've
> never once met someone who was happy with the code they'd inherited.")

You are dead right.  I think this *all the time* (and that's over 30
years!). Actually, I said it recently.  There are a set of files from
other systems which come in flat and are converted to XML files, with a
few translations and database lookups, all of which is currently done by
Java processes on a separate server. My view is that this Java process is
bloated, obfuscated and completely unnecessary, as I could do the same
thing in Perl and make the code much simpler, cleaner and *much* more
easily maintainable.  I am going to get my way on this one.
> 
>> This takes quite a bit of discipline.  The temptation is always to
>> write something cool and clever.  A lot of development (and support)
>> time and money gets wasted that way.
> 
> Someone famous has a quote about how it's always harder to debug than it
> is to write code.  Therefore, if you use the full extent of your
> cleverness in writing the code, you will never be able to debug it.
> 

I agree with that.  Also, I have written "clever" stuff that I have had
difficulty understanding when I've gone back to it later, even though I
make myself comment my code liberally.

Sometimes unusual stuff works out well, though.  More than a decade back,
I implemented a doubly-linked list in Unisys COBOL (!) for a ring-polling
process.  I did hide the housekeeping in separate sections, so all one had
to do was "perform 9100-insert-element", "9110-delete-element",
"9120-next-element", and so on.  The likelihood of anyone needing to
change the housekeeping code was remote, and the main program was simpler
than it might have been otherwise.  But the real reason I *started*
writing it that way was because I thought that it would be fun, cool and
clever to implement a doubly-linked list using COBOL arrays :)

A personal observation: part of the problem with bugs in the first place
is the thoroughness and methodology of testing, which often does not seem
to be as good as it once was.  I'll stay off the soapbox here except to
say that, if you run a test and you have not documented *in advance* the
expected result, then you are *not* testing: you're experimenting. :)

BTW, the debian community deserves a lot of credit for their QA work. 
Doing QA sucks for the most part, and most folks do their level best to
avoid being part of it.  And yet debian, this cloud of volunteers from all
over the world, willingly giving their time with no compensation, produces
"stable" releases which compare very, very favorably with software
releases of similar complexity from commercial enterprises. I'd hire every
one of them if I were building a QA team :)

Sorry, just realized that I've been talking about myself too much, but now
I've written it, I'll post it anyway.  If I've irritated anyone, my
apologies.

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Osamu Aoki]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:26:39PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
...
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
...
> 2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
...
> 3. The Adobe Acrobat reader looks gosh-awful. Like Windows 2! I have a
...
> 4. Oldie-but-goody hardware which I really would like to use:
...
> USB -- have a roland MIDI device on this, correctly detected but not shown
...
> dman2044 audio interface -- PCI, IRQ11--the linux detects that as an AGOSP
...
> Davicom32 Fax modem -- ISA, detected. Fairly standard and NOT a "win" modem
...

You seem to have lots of initial installation problems.

Unfortunately, current Debian is not the best Linux for this initial
problem and it root cause: auto hardware detection.

Try commercial Debian based distros or Knopix, or even Readhat or
Mandrake.  Once you are comfortable with them, you can always come back
to Debian.

Debian gives you smooth upgrade and maintainance.  Debian respect site
admin and will never overwrite your configuration.

And you should be able to use configuration generated under different
distro.  After all, all of these are GNU/Linux.

I have been through:

slackware -> slackware based JP -> Debian (could not work with it) 
  --> Redhat -> Mandrake -> Debian

Oh, you may still want to check documents in DDP before giving up on
Debian.

   http://www.debian.org/doc
   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference  (I wrote it)

Osamu

> 
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Re: Installing Printer - CUPS **SOLVED**

[Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler]

Thanks!  that was the problem.  I hadn't manually configured the pnm2ppa 
package.  I have to say that this is a problem with debian.  I had to install 
a slew of packages to get cups to work, basically by trial and error.  Some 
packages simply work upon installation, some don't (pnm2ppa).  There was no 
notification upon installation of pnm2ppa that I needed to edit the config 
file and copy it to /etc/ for pnm2ppa to work.  it just happily installed 
itself in a non-fuctioning mode on my computer.  NOT very nice.

Chris

On Friday 12 December 2003 04:33, Paul Stolp wrote:
> * Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-11 07:16]:
> > gs -h (6.53-3) doesn't show the driver I need (pnm2ppa) which seem odd
> > because it's supposed to support every driver.  I get a Ghostsript 
> > unrecoverable error in the error_log file.
>
> don't know about this ... I don't show pnm2ppa under gs -h either.
> I'm kind of grasping at straws here, but did you edit /etc/pnm2ppa.conf
> to uncomment your model?
>
> > ???
> >
> > On Sunday 07 December 2003 00:13, Paul wrote:
> > > * Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-06 14:23]:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having trouble getting my local printer working (HP Deskjet 710C)
> > > > . I'm running woody with KDE3.1.4.
> > >
> > > I have a HP 712C from the same braindead series. I've recently updated
> > > from woody to sid, but did have this printer working with woody and the
> > > KDE backport.
> > >
> > > > I've installed: cupsys cupsys-client cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd a2ps
> > > > mpage enscript cupsys-driver-gimpprint pnm2ppa foomatic-db
> > > > gsfonts-other hpijs
> > >
> > > take a good look at this page -- it had everything I needed to get the
> > > 712c working.
> > >
> > > http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C
> > >
> > > hope this helps,
> > > Paul
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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[Terry Hancock]

On Saturday 13 December 2003 03:57 am, Wayne Sitton wrote:
> I mean holly fril, If Gateway had a sticker that guaranteed that every
> piece of hardware on a specific Box was Linux compatible, no matter what
> os was shipped, they'd probably become better than they are currently. 
> But, why do they not get this?  HP recently announced that they will
> start supporting Debian, but where on their site can I gat a laptop
> pre-installed with Debian?
> 
> I just want these companies to recognize that we buy too, and that we
> want to know if a particular product is Linux compatible.

This is a good idea, which I've had before. In fact, I liked it so much,
I thought maybe I should open a small shop that did precisely this.

Then you find out the problem:  When you slap a sticker on hardware
like that, you aren't just suggesting that it *probably* works with Linux,
you are *making a legal guarantee* that it works with Linux and 
*promising to support it* if it doesn't work on Linux.  That can be an
incredible burden!

Windows (and Sun and Macs) come in relatively few flavors.  Furthermore,
one flavor is always "recommended" and all others "deprecated", because
these companies want to force you to keep upgrading to their latest
and greatest OS.  So, as a hardware vendor, you're okay if you just
support that variety.  What's more, you've got a lot of backup -- you have
suppliers who *also* guarantee the hardware with that OS, and you've
got an OS tech-support number that you can dump people onto if you
can't figure it out, and a legal agreement that they're going to do
something for you (that's what those "designed for Microsoft Foo" stickers
are all about).

Now, if you are just doing this "in good faith" or making a "best effort",
you're asking for a lawsuit the first time somebody buys your stuff and
can't get the "backalley joe" Linux distro version 0.0.2 to work with it.
Either that, or you're just going to be giving people their money-back
an awful lot.

Now there *are* a *few* hardware vendors who do officially support
Linux (e.g. Netgear NICs -- which is why I buy from them. They not only
provide Linux drivers, they provide *source* for their Linux drivers in the
consumer-packaged box.  This is good practice!).

But if you had to build a retail computer business around only those 
suppliers, you'd never get anywhere.  It already sucks badly enough
being a hardware vendor -- hardly anything is more perishable than
the value of computer hardware.  You can *not* afford to hang on
to inventory.  So either you sell in volume, with extremely efficient JIT
supply, or you don't stay in business.  No time to hang around waiting
for a community driver to be written or fixed.

A couple of companies have actually tried to support Linux online.
You may be interested in http://www.elinux.com/ for example.  But,
even they don't really *guarantee* that their hardware works with
Linux (they are also quite biased towards the server rather than
the desktop and have limited selection -- which just means they've
followed their market).

And although, I'm pleased to see that e-Linux is still in business, I'm
not sure that all Linux users are exactly flocking there. So, as an
entrepreneur, it's hard to feel too motivated by this type of business
plan.  It's *not* obvious that the market is sitting there waiting for you.

This kind of dilemma is a direct consequence of Linux's development
model: Distributed open-source development and an indemnity from
responsibility (as in the Gnu disclaimer we put at the top of our
source files), makes it awkward for a company to underwrite our
successes in this way (whereas corporate-written proprietary software
comes with that guarantee, so the vendor can "pass the buck" if
things don't work as advertised).

My point?  If we're going to hang onto our software model (and
we should), then we're probably going to need a new distribution
model for the hardware, too.  I'm still not sure what that model
is, though I have a few ideas about pieces of it.  But it's a problem
to be solved.

Cheers,
Terry

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Re: spurious interrupt

[Andy Firman]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 06:47:01PM +0100, Robert Storey wrote:
> For some reason, when I logged on today I received this message:
> 
>   "spurious 8259A, interrupt: IRQ7"
> 
> I'm not sure if this is anything to worry about at all. Anyone have an idea what it 
> means?

I did a little searching for you.  There was a recent thread on this.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg05114.html

Then I found this for you:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html#spurious-8259A-interrupt

spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ14

Short summary: It's a hardware problem (usually). Transient Line-noise/crosstalk 
persuades the PIC
that something happened; this can result in a 'dummy' interrupt being raised, which 
happens to be IRQ7
with intel's 8259 design.The problem could possibly also be caused by (or instead be 
caused by) a device
driver not properly masking its interrupts before servicing, this would be the suspect 
if the IRQ7's were
happening in bursts, or more often than 'several' per day. (Source and additional 
information)

Since the message itself is harmless, it's enough to adjust the default loglevel 
outplut of klogd (the
-c opion) in the syslogd bootscript. See man klogd for details. You can also try 
recompiling the kernel
and unset CONFIG_LOCAL_APIC.


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Re: Nagios not quite working

[Adam Garside]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 12:53:54PM +, James Roberts wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> I have set up nagios-text on testing. Currently there are no 
> nagios-plugins available with apt-get due to upstream issues. The 
> maintainer for nagios-plugins told me (thanks!) that netsaint plugins 
> would work. I apt-got them and everything is nearly but not quite 
> working. I've done a *lot* of reading and nearly understand how it works 
> but obviously not enough. I've configured hosts, host groups and a 
> single gateway to ping, and also installed fping. The gw is pingable of 
> course.
> 
> The system reports "Warning: Monitoring process may not be running!"and 
> "Process Status:  UNKNOWN". The gateway box status is shown as 'Pending'.

This sounds like the process that checks that nagios is running is not
running. I can't remember where to configure it though.

> 
> Clearly I've done something dumb (I'm new to nagios and Debian).  I 
> assume that the netsaint plugins are not adequately bound to nagios.

Actually, the netsaint plugins should work fine. They are just scripts
called by the monitoring engine.

> 
> Could anyone offer a few hints? Or tell me what other information I need 
> to give  to help resolve this?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> J.
> 
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Re:Nagios not quite working

[James Roberts]

Hello all:

I have set up nagios-text on testing. Currently there are no 
nagios-plugins available with apt-get due to upstream issues. The 
maintainer for nagios-plugins told me (thanks!) that netsaint plugins 
would work. I apt-got them and everything is nearly but not quite 
working. I've done a *lot* of reading and nearly understand how it works 
but obviously not enough. I've configured hosts, host groups and a 
single gateway to ping, and also installed fping. The gw is pingable of 
course.

The system reports "Warning: Monitoring process may not be running!"and 
"Process Status:  UNKNOWN". The gateway box status is shown as 'Pending'.

Clearly I've done something dumb (I'm new to nagios and Debian).  I 
assume that the netsaint plugins are not adequately bound to nagios.

Could anyone offer a few hints? Or tell me what other information I need 
to give  to help resolve this?

thanks!

J.

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Solved: Updating sysvinit

[Joan Tur]

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Es Dissabte 13 Desembre 2003 12:45, en Joan Tur va escriure:
> Es Dijous 11 Desembre 2003 22:52, en Miquel van Smoorenburg va escriure:
> > Try: dpkg -i sysvinit_2.85-7_i386.deb initscripts_2.85-7_all.deb
> > sysv-rc_2.85-7_all.deb
> >
> > Yes, you need all three packages, and you need to do that in one
> > single dpkg run, or things will break.
>
> Er... where could I get those?  packages.debian.org is down and apt-get is
> not going to download them  8-?
Solved.  Google helped me  ;)

PD  It broke things, but I restored copying files from other debian pc in my 
network  ;)
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Re: Setting Up Email

[Anita Lewis]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:51:04 -0800, Scarletdown wrote:
> I've been trying to set up POP3 email access (in text mode instead of from the 
> desktop), and 
> am really stumped now.  I just did a little experiment and installed fetchmail, then 
> from the 
> command prompt gave the fetchmail command as follows:
>
> fetchmail -p AUTO -u gsutton9503 mail.charter.net
>
> I was then asked for my password for the server.  After entering the password, 
> apparently a 
> bunch of messages downloaded to somewhere on my hard drive and were deleted off of 
> the 
> server.  Where did the messages get saved to, and how do I access them?  I tried 
> running 
> mutt, but at the bottom of the screen is the notice:
>
> /var/mail/scarletdown: No such file or directory (errno = 2) (scarletdown is the 
> name of the 
> regular non-root user account).
>
> I did a little investigating and it seems that there should be a file (or possibly a 
> directory) in 
> each user's home directory called mbox.  Well, there isn't, and I am not sure where 
> else to 
> look for mbox.
>
> So since mutt doesn't work, how do I access those 19 messages that were downloaded?
>
>

I'm not sure on this, but I think your mail is going to be in
/var/mail/gsutton9503.  It didn't go into scarletdown, because you didn't
tell it to.  You should make a .fetchmailrc file for your home directory and
include 

is "scarletdown" here

and like someone else said, use 'keep' in it until you get it working
correctly.

For you it would be this:

poll mail.charter.net proto pop3 
   user "gsutton9503" is "scarletdown" here keep

You can also include: with pass "secret-password" 
That goes after the user section on mine - not sure if it has to be there. 
You need to make .fetchmailrc rw for only the owner so that no one outside
can see your password.

chmod 600 .fetcmailrc

As for getting your mail, if you find that file in /var/mail, first make
sure that you do not have scarletdown there.  If you have root privilege on
the machine, then you can change the name with 'mv' and change the owner. 
It should already be group 'mail' and have rw for both owner and group, I
think.  So you could just do:

mv gsutton9503 scarletdown
chown scarletdown scarletdown

Then mutt should go right to it and any future mail should be added on to
that file.

Anita


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Re: Mail questions

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:25:42PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 01:11 GMT, Reaz Baksh penned:
> > 
> > I now have a few questions:
> > 1) when I issue the fetchmail command as above, is fetchmail passing
> > the mail to exim4 to deliver it to the mail box, or is it delivering
> > it on its own?
> 
> Fetchmail does not deliver mail on its own; it passes it to the MTA on
> the system.  Assuming that exim4 is configured properly, fetchmail on
> your system is probably passing the mail to exim4.

...or MDA (e.g.:  procmail) of your specification.


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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:57:37AM -0600, Wayne Sitton wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 22:59, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:46:03AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > > OFF-TOPIC
> > > 
> > > Perhaps I have no business posting this here . . . .

> And, I don't have a problem if tigerdirect, or anyone else, has banners
> that are windows oriented, but if they promote that they recommend
> windows over anything else, then we should let them know that we are
> Buyers as well and would appreciate equal advertisement or they will not
> get our business, and promote against them...like maybe a link page of
> Linux-friendly hardware distributors, or whatever we can to make these
> game developers and hardware makes know that we want to be supported,
> and are tired of being treated like second class citizens.
> 
> I don't give a damn if most computers run winblows...I don't! and I want
> to watch DVD's, play games, burn cd's, and do all the same things they
> do.
> 
> And, my opinion is that if they don't develop for Linux as well, then
> they are promoting the M$ monopoly, and should be liable under the U.S.
> justice for promoting a monopoly  
> 
> 
> I would say just my 2 centsbut I think I have taken up a dollar!
> 
> Wayne
Hi Wayne,
I'm on your side. I love free software and it world-wide community and I
try to say Gnu - Linux (hi RMS!) when ever possible.
unfortunatley its like the US Govn't, They listen to $100,000,000
lobbyists, not to joe citizen who may write a letter. This is how the
DMCA, broadcast flag laws got passed. MS Pays them for the advert. Maybe
we can setup a fund and tell Debian proper to direct this fund to pay
Tiger Direct to post OUR Banner, web link, etc. This would be cool!
-Kev


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Re: Updating sysvinit

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> Try: dpkg -i sysvinit_2.85-7_i386.deb initscripts_2.85-7_all.deb
> sysv-rc_2.85-7_all.deb
>
> Yes, you need all three packages, and you need to do that in one
> single dpkg run, or things will break.
Er... where could I get those?  packages.debian.org is down and apt-get is not 
going to download them  8-?

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Re: How do I get sound?

[Robert Storey]

> Mark Healey wrote:
> 
> >Have no sound.  What tool do I use to get it?
> >-


Something like this:

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> sndconfig

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> adduser mark audio

mark must log out and log back in for this to go into effect

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>aumix   (to adjust volume and pcm)


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spurious interrupt

[Robert Storey]

For some reason, when I logged on today I received this message:

  "spurious 8259A, interrupt: IRQ7"

I'm not sure if this is anything to worry about at all. Anyone have an idea what it 
means?

regards,
Robert


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Re: My email is rejected by some sites

[Antonio Rodr)]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:29:05 -0800
Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * TR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031212 04:02]:
> > Somebody whose attribution has been removed wrote:
> > > Well, really you'll just need one such router, with the bad
> > > domains listed on that "domains = " line.  Me, I'd use a filename
> > > there and that way be able to just edit the file whenever I felt
> > > like it instead of mucking around in exim.conf.  As an added
> > > bonus, making changes to this external file wouldn't require the
> > > server to reload to incorporate them.
> > 
> > What is the correct way?
> > " domains = /home/tony/black_list  "
> > is for example right?
> 
> Yep, that should do it.  I don't have any machines with exim3 still on
> them to check, but I recall doing things like
> 
> local_domains = /etc/exim/local_domains
> relay_domains = /etc/exim/relay_domains
> 
> There's no special trick to it.  Just check the ownership and
> permissions if you're using a file within your home directory.
> 
> good times,
> Vineet

OK, I think I found out one of the reasons why my changes in the settings of 
/etc/exim/exim.conf were being bypassed. I am running exim4, and it even didn't occur 
to me that there could be a directory /etc/exim4 overriding the older one.
Any way, the setting's changes seem to be needed in /etc/exim4/conf.d/(routers, main?, 
etc?)
According to the documentation, or what I understood from it, this must be done in the 
following sequence:
1. Change settings in the proper file in the proper directory as written above. 
2. Run "update-exim4.conf"
3. Run "invoke-rc.d exim reload"

There are some problems with this:
In /etc/exim4/conf.d/routers alone there are several files, which exactly isn't very 
clear to me must be edited.
To reflect the name change of the machine, what must be edited?
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dosemu: access denied

[Boudewijn]

Hi,

I installed dosemu 1.0.2.1 into my Sarge system.

Commands like dir work, but whenever I need disk access, for example
C:\> md myprogs,I get:
C:\> md: access denied
I retried as root, + I tried commenting out  of /etc/dosemu/users
"all nosuidroot c_all# disallow suid access by default"
And "all suidroot".
I do not understand where the C: drive is located, but root should 
surely have access.
Shellscript /usr/bin/dosemu + executable /usr/bin/dosemu.bin are 
root:root and -rwxr-xr-x.

md is probably part of /usr/lib/freedos/command
which is a "link to unknown" (?) root:root and lrw-r--r--
and al commands in freedos/bin are root:root and -rw-r--r-
some of these, say touch, should also access the drive.
Should here be some x'es?
Found a log in /tmp:

Running unpriviledged in low feature mode
kernel CPU speed is 2399000798 Hz
Running on CPU=586, FPU=1
using stderr for debug-output
debug flags: -a
debug flags: -dARWDCvXkiTsm#pQgcwhIExMnPrSgZ
ERROR: X: Unable to open font "vga"ERROR: X: Unable to open font 
"vga"ERROR: , trying "vga"...
ERROR: , trying "vga"...
ERROR: X: Unable to open font "vga"ERROR: X: Unable to open font 
"vga"ERROR: , trying "9x15"...
ERROR: , trying "9x15"...

These fonts seem not the problem.

Ideas anybody? Boudewijn

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Re: OT: Letter to TigerDirect

[Wayne Sitton]

On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 22:59, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:46:03AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > OFF-TOPIC
> > 
> > Perhaps I have no business posting this here . . . .
> > 
> > I've done business with TigerDirect in the past, but recently 
> > they've added a pro-MS banner to their home page. I wrote this note 
> > to them, and would encourage other Debianistas who have done 
> > business with them to make your feelings known to them also. Note, 
> > I realize many (most?) of you aren't anti-Microsoft (unlike 
> > myself), but are rather pro-Debian, but the banner just seems -- 
> > wrong, somehow, for freedom-loving folks. I'm probably 
> > over-reacting (and hopefully this message won't get me in a bunch 
> > of killfiles), but it just seems like I should make you folks aware 
> > of this.
> > 
> 
> Hi Kent,
> IIRC they offer some no os pcs. If that is the case, as long as they
> continue to do this, that is what I would care about.
> I understand their position, 99.9% of businesses that are pro-linux are not 
> anti-microsoft but just want for ms not to bury them(sun,...etc) contrary to what 
> the linux community wanted out of the antitrust cases. Freshmeat, Slashdot and other 
> media have had ms banner IIRC. So, this is not a big deal to me. 
> What is a big deal to me is the DMCA, Patriot Act and DRM.
> -Kev


I myself am not a pure-ist.  But, I no longer use windows, and Boot
Debian Sid for my OS of choice.  I have long promoted Debian, even while
my colleagues were Red Krap freaks because they thought it was cool to
like linux, but not really know anything. But I have to say I agree with
the original poster.

Although I agree that our biggest threats to the 'Open Source' movement
is things like the DMCA...etc.  There is also the problem of the small
threat. Not to 'Opensource', but to Linux it self.  'Opensource' is not
Linux, it's a way of life.

Companies like Tigerdirect, by promoting XP, have shown a bias.  They
are a hardware distributor, who are now promoting a software upon the
hardware they sell.

Are we not a legitimate OS that can run on the same hardware?

Companies like Dell stopped selling Linux based computers because there
was a lack of interest.  But it was funny that I noticed that the same
hardware could be bought for a cheaper price, from them,  when it was
shipped with winblows. Only problem was, and have experienced this, Dell
would not honor their warranty if it was shipped with winblows, and got
formated and Linux installed.

I mean holly fril, If Gateway had a sticker that guaranteed that every
piece of hardware on a specific Box was Linux compatible, no matter what
os was shipped, they'd probably become better than they are currently. 
But, why do they not get this?  HP recently announced that they will
start supporting Debian, but where on their site can I gat a laptop
pre-installed with Debian?

I just want these companies to recognize that we buy too, and that we
want to know if a particular product is Linux compatible.  I mean, a
while back I was a big ATI fan.  But, once I realized they would support
the video drivers only, but not support the All-in-Wonder card's TV
functions, I completely quit using them, and am now anti-ATI unless they
get their shit together and support Linux as a whole and not just when
they want too.  At least nVidia puts out Linux drivers for their cards!
(yes, I know about the gatos project, but it's an outside thingATI
has not helped them.)


Hell, Bioware...although took way too long to put out the Linux version
binaries for NeverWinter's Nights, at least they put it out.  Unlike all
these other companies who don't consider my OS worth while to develop
for.

These companies promote the M$ monopoly, and should realise that maybe,
currently M$ may have a lagre group, 70% to whatever of the desktop
world(just a guess for the rant), but are you really wanting to lose 30%
of your business?  And what if M$ goes underif you have never
developed for others you go under as well.  Jesus, how much of common
sense does this take for them to get it?

Honestly, how many of us would go completely to a particular hardware
vender if they had a stamp that said'Linux Compatible'.  You know we
all would.

And, I don't have a problem if tigerdirect, or anyone else, has banners
that are windows oriented, but if they promote that they recommend
windows over anything else, then we should let them know that we are
Buyers as well and would appreciate equal advertisement or they will not
get our business, and promote against them...like maybe a link page of
Linux-friendly hardware distributors, or whatever we can to make these
game developers and hardware makes know that we want to be supported,
and are tired of being treated like second class citizens.

I don't give a damn if most computers run winblows...I don't! and I want
to watch DVD's, play games, burn cd's, and do all the same things they
do.

And, my opinion is that if they don'

Re: Applications are too big

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:04:50PM -0800, Mark Healey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Whenever I open an application it is too big for my desktop (Gnome).
> There are a couple of problems with this.  If I resize it many of the
> controls are obscured.  Then there are the non resizable apps.
> 
> I think that this has something to do with the fact that the first
> time I managed to get X to start was with an XF86Config-4 cribbed from
> Knoppix.  It had the resolution insanely high.  I believe that what
> happened was that when X was first stated sawmill was automaticaly
> configured using the insanely high Knoppix resolution.

What application?  What resolution are you running?  How large is the
application itself?

Depending on your window manager / desktop environment:  grab the
application and move it so that a resize handle (again, varies by WM) is
visible.  Resize to fit your screen.  Close the app.  It should open
sized to your screen.  You might also maximize it so that it just fits
within your visible desktop.


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Re: Workbone - With Volume Control - How To Install?

[Karsten M. Self]

Please set your mailer/editor linewrap to 68-75 characters.  I strongly
recommend 72 as a good default.

Thank you.


on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:24:46AM -0800, Scarletdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> i just tried out the workbone CD player that is installable via
> apt-get.  It's a decent console- based player, except for one problem.
> It has no volume control.

workbone is an _ancient_ CD player.  Most desktop environments have
built-ins which integrate to their toolbars / docks, there's a gkrellm
player, etc.  Unless you need a console/ncurses mode player, I'd go with
one of these.

There's also cdtool, which is a commandline interface to CD playing.

I suspect workbone may require a separate mixer/volume control.

> Anyway, I did a bit of snooping around and came across this:
> 
> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/derouler/info/workbone/index.html.en
> 
> That is the same player, but with the + and - keys set to provide
> volume control.
> 
> I downloaded it and uncompressed it, but now, how do I actually
> install it?
> 
> The files that are now sitting in my home directory after
> uncompressing the tgz file are:
> 
> hardware.c
> workbone
> workbone.h
> struct.h
> workbone.c
> 
> So, what does I have to do with these to get a working player?  The
> site the tgz file was downloaded from has no instructions on how to
> install this.

Compile them.  Usually:

$ make; make install

...where the latter needs to be run as root or staff.  If there's no
Makefile, read the sources, or look at what type(s) of files you have
(hint:  'man file').

'workbone' _is_ the executable.  Try running it.

...though YMMV.


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