Re: A page that causes Firefox (Sarge) to close

[Gnu-Raiz]

On 17:12, Fri 18 Nov 05, C. Chad Wallace wrote:
> Ralph Katz wrote:
> >This looks like:
> >
> >Crashes when displaying image
> >https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310917
> >
> >http://www.movieweb.com crashes ff 1.5 RC3 from mozilla.org as well as
> >an older debian ff on my sarge box.
> 
> This happens to me too, running unstable:
> 
> ii  mozilla-firefox1.0.7-1lightweight web browser 
> based on Mozilla
> 
> 
> hrm... Why do I *have* to be so curious?  Now I have to try and remember 
> what websites I had open!  *sigh*
> 
> TTYL.
> -- 
> 
> C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc.
> The Lodging Company
> http://skihills.com/
> OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0

I ran the above url through the http://validator.w3.org/ it
puked up 178 vital errors. I guess this website is not
Mozilla friendly. It works in Konqueor but take's some time
to load, it seems to be very heavy on the graphics, and
seems to be not a very good url.

If your looking for movie information I would suggest using
the more reliable http://us.imdb.com/ if you in the US or
your local friendly national version other wise.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Gnu-Raiz]

On 18:23, Fri 18 Nov 05, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 13:54 -0600]:
> > On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > > Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty:
> > > 
> > > > You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests.
> > > > Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I
> > > > can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to
> > > 
> > > Does not work, because this stupig "remailer"
> > > break the thread in small pieces.
> > 
> > Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread.
> 
> Not my Mutt.  This whole sordid thread is still all intact on this
> screen.
> 
> - Nate >>
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My suggestion is if this is that hard to follow in your mail
program why not just subscribe to the digest form. That's
what I do, it might not be as quick as regular mailing list
but it puts it in a nice readable form.  All I do in mutt is
hit v and read the headers, if nothing interest's me I move
along.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

[Steve Lamb]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> OK, then you've bought the right-wing ranters' version of what  the Kelo
> decision said.

Yes, because we all know if it isn't mainstream it's right-wing.  The
irony being, of course, that it was the right that was in the majority with
the left, O'Conner, writing the dissent.

> Have you read the Kelo decision?  Apparently not.  The Court made it
> abundantly clear that taking property from one private owner and giving
> it to another would violate the "public use" limitation (if that's what
> it is - textual analysis could go either way) of the Takings Clause, and
> that that is NOT what happened in New London.  And it's not.  The
> "taking" was part of a comprehensive land-use development.

In which the property in question was reapproriated FOR PRIVATE
DEVELOPMENT.  We're not talking about infrastructure or some other public use,
emphasis on public and use.  It was for private development.  No public.  No
use.  Period.

Have you read it?  "After approving of an integrated development plan
designed to revitalize its ailing economy" is how it starts off.  Page 2 gets
another nice damning sentence, "The city has carefully formulated a
development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the
community, including, but not limited to, *new jobs and increased tax revenue*."

Simply put if a developer comes along and decides that he can wring more
tax revenue out of a particular piece of property then it is considered
"public use".  From private to private, that is not what eminent domain was for.

> Bull back at you, if that's the level on which you wish to conduct the
> discussion.  The constitution _explicitly_ contemplates that private
> property _may_ be taken for public use upon payment of just compensation
> (i.e. fair market value).  Who should make the decision whether exercise
> of the eminent domain power is appropriate?

Be taken *for* *public* *use*.  Increasing the tax base doesn't qualify by
a long shot.

> So the owner can simply deny government's right to exercise the power of
> eminent domain?

When the government is trying to use eminent domain to hand it off to
another private individual, yes.

> You're no libertarian; you're an anarchist!  (So be it - I'm not riding
> a horse here, just clarifying constitutional doctrine, and the US
> Constitution is not an anarchist document.)

Sorry, care to try that again.  Do me a favor and do searches on Google on
the following two phrases, "libertarian kelo" and "cato kelo".  Let's see,
CATO, often described as "A Libertarian thin-tank" wrote a brief on Kelo's
behalf arguing the city had violated the 5th amendment.  LPVA's site states
they feel the ruling was incorrect for the same reasons as I have outlined.
NLP website is the same.

In fact so far I have found exactly one page in all those returned which
comes to the conclusion you've arrived.  So I feel you're going to be hard
pressed to catagorize me as anarchist when my position falls in line with
those who are recognized as "libertarian".

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Bruno Buys]

loos wrote:


Em Qui, 2005-11-17 às 20:32 -0800, David Kirchner escreveu:
 


On 11/17/05, Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


I don't know if that's exactly a black hole, but you can also try to address
your messages to, at least, two other addresses:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


whois also suggests sending complaints to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . It
would probably be best for customers of UOL to complain to them about
this, as they're in the best position to convince UOL to stop this
sort of behavior.

   



Unfortunately, most of their clients are very happy with this system: It
is very effective for SPAM protection.

In fact for non-list mail it is really a good idea: all you
correspondents have to respond the challenge one and only one time,
all subsequent mail is unchallenged.

You just can't use this account for list subscriptions.

Besides that they are one of the largest and most popular ISP here.

Michel.



Ok, but this scheme is like forwarding to other people (the sender) the 
task of sorting spam out of YOUR inbox. I don't think its fair.



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apt-get install xutils: remove 259 packages!?

[David Koski]

I did a dist-upgrade to unstable from stable and am left with only a couple of 
packages that were held back after manually installing several. But now 
apt-get install xutils wants to remove 259 packages including kde and 
friends. Now what?

Regards,
David Koski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] island.com


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stable/sarge missinglibrary dependancies

[Rodney D. Myers]

I have 3 people I support, who are running sarge/stable.

Just yesterday, I have alot of files that are "upgradeable", not not
upgradeable, because of dependency problems.

my girlfriends /etc/apt/sources/list;

#Debian
# sources.list generated by apt-spy v3.1
deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main
#deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main

# Misc programs
deb http://www.maretmanu.org/debian/ sarge main
deb http://mail.linuxvar.it/~gianluca/athlon-xp/ sarge main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main

a few of the programs in question;

bash :
bsdutils:
cpio:
cron:
debianutils:
dpkg:
dpkg-dev:
dselect:
initscripts:
iptables:
lbxproxy:
libdb2:
libdps1:
libselinux1:
libt1-5:
libxaw7:
sysvinit:
 
  PreDepends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed. 

console-tools:
  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed
  Depends: libconsole (=1:0.2.3dbs-57) but 1:0.2.3dbs-56 is to be
 installed

libgtk1.2:
  Depends: libgtk1.2-common (>=1.2.10-18) but 1.2.10-17 is to be
installed Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed

libgtk1.2-dev:
  Depends: libgtk1.2 (=1.2.10-18) but 1.2.10-17 is to be installed

libice-dev:
  Depends: libice6 (=6.8.2.dfsg.1-7) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 is to be
installed

libice6:
  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed

libsm-dev:
  Depends: libsm6 (=6.8.2.dfsg.1-7) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 is to be
installed

libsm6:
  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed

libx11-6:
  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed

libx11-dev:
  Depends: libx11-6 (=6.8.2.dfsg.1-7) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 is to be
installed

libxau-dev:
  Depends: libxau6 (=6.8.2.dfsg.1-7) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 is to be
installed

libxau6:
  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed

Any ideas as yo what is going on?

Thanks

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OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

[Patrick Wiseman]

On 11/19/05, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Patrick Wiseman wrote:> This thread is just way out of hand[1], but if you're speaking of the US> Supreme Court's decision in _Kelo v. New London_, you've apparently> bought the MSM's spin on it.
Nope, tend to ignore MSM for the rubbish it is.
OK, then you've bought the right-wing ranters' version of what  the Kelo decision said.
 > All the Court did in that case was
> reaffirm at least 50 (and arguably 200) years' worth of constitutional> law:  decisions about land use should be made _locally_ and not be
> second-guessed by the 9 probably-out-of-touch folks who happen to sit on> the US Supreme Court.That's the excuse given which doesn't hold water because even local lawofficals are beholden to the Constitution.  I'm sorry but the phrase "nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" ishard to mangle into "Taking property from one private individual and giving itto another individual because they would generate more tax revenue" based on
the notion of "decisions about land use should be made locally".
Have you read the Kelo decision?  Apparently not.  The Court
made it abundantly clear that taking property from one private owner
and giving it to another would violate the "public use" limitation (if
that's what it is - textual analysis could go either way) of the
Takings Clause, and that that is NOT what happened in New London. 
And it's not.  The "taking" was part of a comprehensive land-use
development.

> Whether what happened in New London was bad

> _policy_ (something I'll not argue) it violated no constitutional> _principle_.Bull.  Protections against private property are very much the core ofconstitutional principle and that was grossly violated.

Bull back at you, if that's the level on which you wish to conduct the
discussion.  The constitution _explicitly_ contemplates that
private property _may_ be taken for public use upon payment of just
compensation (i.e. fair market value).  Who should make the
decision whether exercise of the eminent domain power is appropriate?
> I thought libertarians - and I had the impression you, Mr.> Lamb, consider yourself one - preferred local to national decision
> making.I do.  But I do not believe "local decision making" trumps one's right topersonal property.  Why?  Because that's as local as you can get.  It's is*my* land and *I* decide whether to sell it or not.  The local "planning
board" is one step removed from the most local authority of that land, the owner.
So the owner can simply deny government's right to exercise the power
of eminent domain?  The constitution (the US one that is, sorry to
be parochial on this international list) specifically provides
otherwise.  You're no libertarian; you're an anarchist!  (So
be it - I'm not riding a horse here, just clarifying constitutional
doctrine, and the US Constitution is not an anarchist document.)

Patrick

MAIL environment variable and GDM

[Steven Rostedt]

Hi all,

I just noticed (because I now need it) that the MAIL environment
variable is not being set when I log in through GDM.  If I ssh in, or
just simply do a su to the same user account, the MAIL variable is set.
But it just doesn't get set when logging in through GDM.

Now with with the maze of config files to look through
(/etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.conf, /etc/pam.d/*) 
I've pretty much given up on where to look for GDM.

Also, what's an easy way to globally set PATH. Changing it
in /etc/profile doesn't work anymore. Do I need to change it in
login.defs?

Thanks,

-- Steve

BTW, I'm not on the mailing list so please CC me.

Also this is all on the latest unstable.  But I have an older system
that hasn't been upgraded for a few weeks and it's acting the same.



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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> This thread is just way out of hand[1], but if you're speaking of the US
> Supreme Court's decision in _Kelo v. New London_, you've apparently
> bought the MSM's spin on it.

Nope, tend to ignore MSM for the rubbish it is.

> All the Court did in that case was
> reaffirm at least 50 (and arguably 200) years' worth of constitutional
> law:  decisions about land use should be made _locally_ and not be
> second-guessed by the 9 probably-out-of-touch folks who happen to sit on
> the US Supreme Court.

That's the excuse given which doesn't hold water because even local law
officals are beholden to the Constitution.  I'm sorry but the phrase "nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" is
hard to mangle into "Taking property from one private individual and giving it
to another individual because they would generate more tax revenue" based on
the notion of "decisions about land use should be made locally".

> Whether what happened in New London was bad
> _policy_ (something I'll not argue) it violated no constitutional
> _principle_.

Bull.  Protections against private property are very much the core of
constitutional principle and that was grossly violated.

> I thought libertarians - and I had the impression you, Mr.
> Lamb, consider yourself one - preferred local to national decision
> making.

I do.  But I do not believe "local decision making" trumps one's right to
personal property.  Why?  Because that's as local as you can get.  It's is
*my* land and *I* decide whether to sell it or not.  The local "planning
board" is one step removed from the most local authority of that land, the 
owner.

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:49 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 13:24 -0600]:
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:02:47AM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > 
> > > I won't give you any arguments.  If it is the software that you like and 
> > > not a need for the format, then that is your choice and your right. 
> > > That's what linux is all about -- choice!  I will also admit that the 
> > > reveal codes option was the greatest idea since the wheel.  I used it in 
> > > WP 5.1 a LOT, not as much in WP8, though.  I wish that other word 
> > > processors would start using it, too.  It seems like such an easy thing, 
> > > I don't know why others have not picked it up.
> > 
> > I believe it was discussed on this very list years ago for OOo.  Answer:
> > they disapprove of it. 
> 
> In a way, that's too bad.  "Getting under the hood" is always a useful
> feature.  WYSIWYG is fine until what you're looking at disappears at a
> keystroke and winds up a page down or something.  Editing the codes in
> WP was often the best way to get the layout just right, especially in
> WP 5.1.
> 
> > Really: the OOo developers don't want people to think in terms of
> > formatting, but in terms of styles.  So codes shouldn't matter to us.
> 
> That sounds very much like SGML philosophy and this is precisely why a
> reveal codes functionality would be so useful in OOo which is
> essentially now an XML editor so one could work at the abstract style
> level instead of layout/formatiing (maybe I need to spend more time
> with OOo Writer as it probably already does this).  I don't do much
> heavy document editing these days so I'm not going to lose any sleep
> over it.  ;-) 

If you want Reveal Codes, you could always edit the XML in Vim...

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Patrick Wiseman]

On 11/18/05, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alex Malinovich wrote:> I'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps an example of a law that> is meant to be friendly to the community but is unfriendly to an> individiual would be in order?
I think the recent Supreme Court ruling on the 5th Ammendment [sic] is a primeexample.
This thread is just way out of hand[1], but if you're speaking of the
US Supreme Court's decision in _Kelo v. New London_, you've apparently
bought the MSM's spin on it.  All the Court did in that case was
reaffirm at least 50 (and arguably 200) years' worth of constitutional
law:  decisions about land use should be made _locally_ and not be
second-guessed by the 9 probably-out-of-touch folks who happen to sit
on the US Supreme Court.  Whether what happened in New London was
bad _policy_ (something I'll not argue) it violated no constitutional
_principle_.  I thought libertarians - and I had the impression
you, Mr. Lamb, consider yourself one - preferred local to national
decision making.  But maybe it depends on the decision.  That
the local decision was good for the community as a whole but bad for
some individuals is arguable; that the Supreme Court should have
second-guessed it is not.

Patrick

[1]Yes, I'm a Debian user and yes, this is the debian-user list, but doesn't that imply something about SUBJECT-MATTER??

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps an example of a law that
> is meant to be friendly to the community but is unfriendly to an
> individiual would be in order?

I think the recent Supreme Court ruling on the 5th Ammendment is a prime
example.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Alex Malinovich]

Steve Lamb wrote:


   Not to mention that people for some reason think that the groupthink et
al. for corporations are bad because it is "for profit" and yet groupthink for
"the community" is good because it isn't.
 

Groupthink is bad regardless of circumstances. Whether a bad decision is 
made by a board of directors, a local government, or the federal 
government (we've had a fair bit of those lately), it is still a bad 
decision.



   There was a reply in here somewhere that I never got, only quoted, where
someone attributed my name to the "cowboy mentality" of "give me 40 acres, a
mule, a shotgun and I'll take care of myself".  They went on to say that
because of the large urban populations we're more interconnected than I
supposedly seem to think; that the Europeans have figured this out and is why
their laws are more "friendly to communities".  What they failed to realize
that pretty much any time action is taken "for the good of the community" it
denies that the community is made up of individuals.  It is flat-out
anti-individual.  How something can be friendly to a group of individuals
while being hostile to any individual in that group is beyond me.

 

I'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps an example of a law that 
is meant to be friendly to the community but is unfriendly to an 
individiual would be in order?


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newer kernel for non-bootable sarge

[David Emerson]

Hi there,

I ran into a nasty problem while trying to install sarge: The 2.6.8 kernel has 
a bug that won't allow my computer to boot.

((  I have a compaq armada 1750 laptop. It has issues... ))
((  In the past, I've never been able to get my mouse to work with a 2.4 
kernel, and it's always been easy with 2.6. ))

So, is there a way to download a newer (like, 2.6.12) kernel and just drop it 
into /boot ?? (Keeping in mind that I can't actually boot debian to install it)

Where on earth can I download the files? Assumably, the files I want are:

initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386
vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386

And probably also:

config-2.6.12-10-386
System.map-2.6.12-10-386

Assuming I can find the files to download, should this operation be as simple 
as I'm assuming it to be?

Thanks,
David

Re: Where to download Debian 1.2?

[Rogério Brito]

On Nov 18 2005, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 12:07 -0600]:
> > There are archived ISO's on .
> 
> Link please.  I've looked and I can't find anything older than 1.3.1. 
> If you know where ISOs are for 1.1 and 1.2, I'm sure archive.debian.org
> would love to have a copy for their archives.

And having torrents/jigdo files of them at archive.debian.org would also
be extremely nice.


Regards,

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[John Hasler]

loos writes:
> Unfortunately, most of their clients are very happy with this system: It
> is very effective for SPAM protection.

It's also very effective for spam production.
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Re: vnc repeater

[loos]

Em Qui, 2005-11-17 às 20:20 -0600, Rodney Richison escreveu:
> Joseph H. Fry wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday 17 November 2005 1:15 pm, Rodney Richison wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Is there a vnc repeater available on linux(debian) like the ultravnc
> >>repeater?
> >>For customer support...
> >>And,,, this is probably a question in the ultravnc forum, but can you
> >>connect to a repeater using linux xvncviewer?
> >>
> >>--
> >>I don't know the answer to your question exactly, but I have successfully 
> >>used 
> >>port mapping in my router to allow multiple VNC connections... which I 
> >>changed to SSH connections with VNC tunneling.  This way I can SSH into any 
> >>of my machines at home or at work and then fire up a VNC connection to that 
> >>machine if I need graphical control.
> >>
> >>What exactly do you need the repeater for?
> >>
> >>Customer support type stuff.  Have customer download the support.exe,
> >>run it, it will hit the repeater and my viewer will hit the repeater,
> >>thus getting around any firewalls on either side.  At the moment, I'm
> >>doing it with ultravnc, but it seems to be a totally winblows solution.
> >>I have to boot to windows to run the ultravnc viewer.  :(
> >>
> >>

ssh tunneling through the server works fine, you access by VNC any
computer that is accessible by VNC from the server, and only need ssh 
access to the server.

ssh -L5900::5900   ServerName

and then direct your viewer to the localhost

Michel. 

Re: Where to download Debian 1.2?

[loos]

Em Sex, 2005-11-18 às 18:31 -0600, Nate Bargmann escreveu:
> * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 12:07 -0600]:
> > Hi Manou again,
> > 
> > There are archived ISO's on .
> 
> Link please.  I've looked and I can't find anything older than 1.3.1. 
> If you know where ISOs are for 1.1 and 1.2, I'm sure archive.debian.org
> would love to have a copy for their archives.
> 

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/debian/1.1/i386/buzz/

there you find the 6 floppies (rescue/root/base1-4)
and all the debs.

Good times memories. (My first debian installation was in 1995)

Michel.


> - Nate >>
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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[loos]

Em Sex, 2005-11-18 às 15:45 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh escreveu:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I beg to differ about incompetent. And I doubt if its anything like
> 
> Read my reply to my own post.
> 
> > 10 linux users just from that one ISP.  OTOH, if those users who do
> 
> We are not talking about a pint-sized-country's ISP here, they should exceed
> 10k LINUX users easily (although I am not sure about 100k LINUX users).
> 
> But it is an AOL-style ISP, so the users are quite often clueless... and so
> is the entire first and second-level support staff, as usual in these ISPs.
> 

Since UOL has over 3M clients 100k Linux users is some 3%, this does not
seem exagerated.

Michel.

Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[loos]

Em Qui, 2005-11-17 às 20:32 -0800, David Kirchner escreveu:
> On 11/17/05, Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't know if that's exactly a black hole, but you can also try to address
> > your messages to, at least, two other addresses:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> whois also suggests sending complaints to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . It
> would probably be best for customers of UOL to complain to them about
> this, as they're in the best position to convince UOL to stop this
> sort of behavior.
> 

Unfortunately, most of their clients are very happy with this system: It
is very effective for SPAM protection.

In fact for non-list mail it is really a good idea: all you
correspondents have to respond the challenge one and only one time,
all subsequent mail is unchallenged.

You just can't use this account for list subscriptions.

Besides that they are one of the largest and most popular ISP here.

Michel.

thunderbird no longer understands '$'

[Alex Goldman]

I have a very up-to-date Sarge.

After installing some additional fonts from Debian (Asian, Chinese,
Japanese, etc. - I can't read them, but I wanted the ugly squares to
go away in Firefox), I ran

xfs restart

and after a while, I noticed the following problem: I can't type '$'
in Thunderbird. All other characters, including @#%^ seem to work.
WTF? I restarted X. Same problem. Rebooted. Same problem. Yuck.

{ Cc: to me as well please, if you reply }

Re: A page that causes Firefox (Sarge) to close

[C. Chad Wallace]

Ralph Katz wrote:

This looks like:

Crashes when displaying image
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310917

http://www.movieweb.com crashes ff 1.5 RC3 from mozilla.org as well as
an older debian ff on my sarge box.


This happens to me too, running unstable:

ii  mozilla-firefox1.0.7-1lightweight web browser based 
on Mozilla


hrm... Why do I *have* to be so curious?  Now I have to try and remember what 
websites I had open!  *sigh*

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

[Nate Bargmann]

* Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 13:24 -0600]:
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:02:47AM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> 
> > I won't give you any arguments.  If it is the software that you like and 
> > not a need for the format, then that is your choice and your right. 
> > That's what linux is all about -- choice!  I will also admit that the 
> > reveal codes option was the greatest idea since the wheel.  I used it in 
> > WP 5.1 a LOT, not as much in WP8, though.  I wish that other word 
> > processors would start using it, too.  It seems like such an easy thing, 
> > I don't know why others have not picked it up.
> 
> I believe it was discussed on this very list years ago for OOo.  Answer:
> they disapprove of it. 

In a way, that's too bad.  "Getting under the hood" is always a useful
feature.  WYSIWYG is fine until what you're looking at disappears at a
keystroke and winds up a page down or something.  Editing the codes in
WP was often the best way to get the layout just right, especially in
WP 5.1.

> Really: the OOo developers don't want people to think in terms of
> formatting, but in terms of styles.  So codes shouldn't matter to us.

That sounds very much like SGML philosophy and this is precisely why a
reveal codes functionality would be so useful in OOo which is
essentially now an XML editor so one could work at the abstract style
level instead of layout/formatiing (maybe I need to spend more time
with OOo Writer as it probably already does this).  I don't do much
heavy document editing these days so I'm not going to lose any sleep
over it.  ;-) 

- Nate >>

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Re: Writing technical text

[Victor Munoz]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 06:21:47AM +, Joe Mc Cool wrote:
> How might I access non-standard document classes: shopping list, parts
> list, invoice, bill of materials, lesson plan, scheme of work, memo,
> ..?  Is there a repository of such things somewhere ?  Perhaps I
> can make my own ?
> 

CTAN mirrors should have a lot of packages prepared for various needs,
though I'm not aware of classes like the one you mentions. But I really
don't know. You'd have to search the archives. 

Anyway, creating a class might be a bit difficult, as you need to know more
commands than you usually need as a normal user, but learning how to do it
is a good investment. LaTeX documentation has a document with a title like
"LaTeX for class and package writers", which should explain the basic
structure of writing a class/package. In many cases, you can create your own
class based on one of the standard classes, plus some additional LaTeX
commands. For more complex layouts, you will probably need TeX knowledge,
and much more time learning. 

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Re: Where to download Debian 1.2?

[Nate Bargmann]

* Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 12:07 -0600]:
> Hi Manou again,
> 
> There are archived ISO's on .

Link please.  I've looked and I can't find anything older than 1.3.1. 
If you know where ISOs are for 1.1 and 1.2, I'm sure archive.debian.org
would love to have a copy for their archives.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Nate Bargmann]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 18 13:54 -0600]:
> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty:
> > 
> > > You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests.
> > > Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I
> > > can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to
> > 
> > Does not work, because this stupig "remailer"
> > break the thread in small pieces.
> 
> Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread.

Not my Mutt.  This whole sordid thread is still all intact on this
screen.

- Nate >>

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 21:06 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Currently I have around 4.000 Messages gotten
> > 
> > Can't you just filter them into the Trash or use a killfile?
> 
> Not to mention that you should have received only one message per post you
> made to mailing lists the loser with AntispamUOL is part of.
> 
> Maybe you are seeing the results of a spammer forging your address?

Dunno.  I received about 100 of those emails, but none in the past
24ish hours.

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[David Kirchner]

On 11/18/05, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not to mention that you should have received only one message per post you
> made to mailing lists the loser with AntispamUOL is part of.
>
> Maybe you are seeing the results of a spammer forging your address?

I received over 20 (I stopped counting at 20) immediately after
posting on the list. I doubt it's because of a spammer, unless someone
on the list is watching for posts and then forging 20+ emails to the
C/R address.

It really does look like this problem can either only be solved by UOL
fixing their servers (since it is their code that C/R's Bcc:'d email)
or by the Debian moderators removing everyone that uses UOL from the
list.

Since UOL is ignoring our complaints (I'm betting I'm not the only one
that sent a explanation of what's going wrong), the only option
remaining is to have the moderator remove the UOL users,
unfortunately. Could start by checking if "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
is on the list. (I also wonder if petsupermarket.com.br is related,
maybe it's [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Re: A page that causes Firefox (Sarge) to close

[Ralph Katz]

This looks like:

Crashes when displaying image
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310917

http://www.movieweb.com crashes ff 1.5 RC3 from mozilla.org as well as
an older debian ff on my sarge box.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds.  When 
> you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil-
> ted into the Borg collective.

> It's *individuals* *choosing* to go along with Groupthing, conform-
> ism, etc.

Not to mention that people for some reason think that the groupthink et
al. for corporations are bad because it is "for profit" and yet groupthink for
"the community" is good because it isn't.

There was a reply in here somewhere that I never got, only quoted, where
someone attributed my name to the "cowboy mentality" of "give me 40 acres, a
mule, a shotgun and I'll take care of myself".  They went on to say that
because of the large urban populations we're more interconnected than I
supposedly seem to think; that the Europeans have figured this out and is why
their laws are more "friendly to communities".  What they failed to realize
that pretty much any time action is taken "for the good of the community" it
denies that the community is made up of individuals.  It is flat-out
anti-individual.  How something can be friendly to a group of individuals
while being hostile to any individual in that group is beyond me.

Between a corporation with way too much money and manpower and an
overzealous activist with no clue give me the former.  At least then I know
the exact price of my consensual reaming as opposed to being clueless of the
cost of my forced raping.

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Currently I have around 4.000 Messages gotten
> 
> Can't you just filter them into the Trash or use a killfile?

Not to mention that you should have received only one message per post you
made to mailing lists the loser with AntispamUOL is part of.

Maybe you are seeing the results of a spammer forging your address?

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:
> So, I don't call any more. I just wait an hour or so,

Call the *billing* department (they always answer the phone, and they are
trained to be nice and patient on adverse conditions).  Explain to them that
you need to contact the ombudsman about a serious problem.  That should be
enough for you to either get to the ombudsman, or to manage to get the phone
number and name of someone that can actually do something.

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Re: apt-get update connecting to (1.0.0.0)

[Edward J. Shornock]

On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:38:47PM -0800, Fred J. wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I have a problem, I can brows the web fine but my
> #apt-get is not
> downloading any thing at all.
> my system is
> testing/unstable
> 2.6.13
> adsl router/modem to a switch to the debian box.


Since you can browse the web fine, are you perhaps using a proxy server
in your web browser(s)?

What is the output of `host ftp.us.debian.org`?  What does
/etc/resolv.conf look like?  It sounds to me like it's a DNS resolver
issue...



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Re: bad md5sum for initrd in hd-media?

[David Emerson]

Almut wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:21:22PM -0700, David Emerson wrote:
> > I downloaded initrd.gz and vmlinuz from:
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/hd-media/2.6/
> > 
> > (I'm intending to install sarge from hard drive on a computer with a flaky 
> > cd-rom)
> > 
> > There are md5sums at
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/MD5SUMS
> > 
> > My vmlinuz md5 matches up, but the initrd.gz md5sum does not match. I 
> > re-downloaded with no change, still in disagreement the archive:
> > 
> > My md5sum:
> > ca838dff73b15963544ea21537ccaa8f  initrd.gz
> > 
> > archive md5sum:
> > 250db6ab320fc5edcecf3ed9d1c185a6  ./hd-media/2.6/initrd.gz
>
> How exactly did you download the file?  What seems to have happened is
> that the file got unzipped while downloading:
>
> $ ls -l initrd*
> -rw-r--r--1 ab   ab   10645504 18. Nov 22:55 initrd
> -rw-r--r--1 ab   ab3205673 18. Nov 22:54 initrd.gz
>
> $ md5sum initrd*
> ca838dff73b15963544ea21537ccaa8f  initrd
> 250db6ab320fc5edcecf3ed9d1c185a6  initrd.gz
>
> ==> the md5sum of the uncompressed file is exactly what you have...
>
> IOW, you've already got the right file -- you just need to gzip it again :)
>
> Almut

You're absolutely right. I was using the Opera web browser to download the 
file, and for some reason it seems to want to decompress the .gz on download, 
and then save it with the .gz extension. Off I go to report a bug to the opera 
people...

I ought to have checked the file size after downloading

Thanks,
David

Re: Painful upgrade from XFree86 to X.Org

[László Monda]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 16:43 -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> On 11/18/05, László Monda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> After upgrading from XFree86 to X.Org bad, bad things happened
> to me.
> 
> More specifically:
> 
> 1) I cannot switch to the consoles with Alt-F1 - F8.
> 
> I have always had to use Ctl-Alt-F* (Alt-F7 to return) even before
> switching to X.org.

Yeah, I meant Ctrl-Alt-F*.

Thanks for the correction, Patrick.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Greg Norris]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:50:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Does not work, because this stupig "remailer"
> > break the thread in small pieces.
> 
> Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread.

My copy of mutt (1.5.11-3, from sid) doesn't seem to have any trouble 
threading this mess.


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Re: Building ant from etch

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:18:22PM +, Joseph Haig wrote:
> --- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:20:32PM +, Joseph Haig wrote:
> > > I am backporting ant-1.6.5 from testing to stable (as part of the
> > > process of attempting to backport openoffice.org) and it seems to
> > have
> > 
> > You shouldn't need to do that.  The only reason for depending on Ant
> > 1.6.5 is because of the dependency on gcj-4.0.  So, unless you are
> > backporting all of gcc-4.0, you don't need the newer Ant.
> > 
> 
> That is the case, gcj-4.0 is a build dependency for Openoffice.  Of
> course, it is entirely possible that I am missing something vital, as
> this is only my second attempt at backporting.  Is it possible (and
> sensible) to override the build dependency and use the version of gcc
> in stable?
> 

You can't use the gcj in stable, as it is not sufficiently advanced.
You can (1) backport all of gcc-4.0, or (2) use a non-free JDK from Sun
or Blackdown or IBM.

I am trying with the Sun JDK, but my build fails like this:

=
Building project rhino
=
/home/roberto/tmp/debian/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-2.0.0/ooo-build/build/ooo680-m3/rhino
mkout -- version: 1.5
-
dmake:  Error -- `./rhino1_5R4.patch' not found, and can't be made
'---* tg_merge.mk *---'

ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making
/home/roberto/tmp/debian/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-2.0.0/ooo-build/build/ooo680-m3/rhino
make[1]: *** [stamp/build] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roberto/tmp/debian/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-2.0.0/ooo-build'
make: *** [debian/stampdir/build] Error 2


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Re: Building ant from etch

[Joseph Haig]

--- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:20:32PM +, Joseph Haig wrote:
> > I am backporting ant-1.6.5 from testing to stable (as part of the
> > process of attempting to backport openoffice.org) and it seems to
> have
> 
> You shouldn't need to do that.  The only reason for depending on Ant
> 1.6.5 is because of the dependency on gcj-4.0.  So, unless you are
> backporting all of gcc-4.0, you don't need the newer Ant.
> 

That is the case, gcj-4.0 is a build dependency for Openoffice.  Of
course, it is entirely possible that I am missing something vital, as
this is only my second attempt at backporting.  Is it possible (and
sensible) to override the build dependency and use the version of gcc
in stable?

Thanks,

Joe




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Re: Best cluster OS

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:19:59AM -0700, Nick I wrote:
> Hi,
> At www.clusterbuilder.org/FAQ  there is a
> question about what OS and cluster management software are the best for a
> cluster system. Does anyone have any advice on Debian as a cluster OS?
> 
> Here is the question:
> 
> "I'm bulding a project for a cluster that consists on 64 machines running
> each 2x Dual Core AMD Opteron with 2GB of memory per core (8GB per machine).
> We already have everything else accounted for except for the software. We
> have serious doubts on what would be best for the OS and the cluster
> management software. The OS has to be open source. Please give me some
> advice on what you think you be the best performance solution for it. It
> doesn''t matter if it's not free. "
> 

Use the Debian AMD64 distribution - it should have everything you could
possibly need. I have a machine running 2 x Opteron with 2.5G of memory
at work. Works fine: 64 bit clean: has most software anyone could want -
if you need maths software, for example, or genome sequencing stuff or
... chances are that Debian is the only Linux which bothers to package
it.

> Also, if anyone has any advice on cluster management software, please send
> it. I am trying to build a knowldgebase of different opinions on software.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nick


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Re: bad md5sum for initrd in hd-media?

[Almut Behrens]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:21:22PM -0700, David Emerson wrote:
> I downloaded initrd.gz and vmlinuz from:
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/hd-media/2.6/
> 
> (I'm intending to install sarge from hard drive on a computer with a flaky 
> cd-rom)
> 
> There are md5sums at
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/MD5SUMS
> 
> My vmlinuz md5 matches up, but the initrd.gz md5sum does not match. I 
> re-downloaded with no change, still in disagreement the archive:
> 
> My md5sum:
> ca838dff73b15963544ea21537ccaa8f  initrd.gz
> 
> archive md5sum:
> 250db6ab320fc5edcecf3ed9d1c185a6  ./hd-media/2.6/initrd.gz

How exactly did you download the file?  What seems to have happened is
that the file got unzipped while downloading:

$ ls -l initrd*
-rw-r--r--1 ab   ab   10645504 18. Nov 22:55 initrd
-rw-r--r--1 ab   ab3205673 18. Nov 22:54 initrd.gz

$ md5sum initrd*
ca838dff73b15963544ea21537ccaa8f  initrd
250db6ab320fc5edcecf3ed9d1c185a6  initrd.gz

==> the md5sum of the uncompressed file is exactly what you have...

IOW, you've already got the right file -- you just need to gzip it again :)

Almut


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Re: trouble forcing apt-get into using local mirror

[Hendrik Verhoek]

To answer my own question, it seems apt-get secretly prefers
sites which are authenticated, even when disabling authentication
as a commandline option..
I came across this as a 'bug' report which apparently hasn't been put through 
into
testing/stable yet. I would call it a bug since it is undocumented and in
my case unwanted behaviour when I supply no authentication to apt-get.
The solution is therefore to sign your own Release files.
1) gpg --gen-key (no passwd because apt-move has a batch to sign)
2) gpg --export -a PUBKEY | apt-key add -
3) add the key in apt-move.conf

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Re: Painful upgrade from XFree86 to X.Org

[Patrick Wiseman]

On 11/18/05, László Monda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi List,After upgrading from XFree86 to X.Org bad, bad things happened to me.More specifically:1) I cannot switch to the consoles with Alt-F1 - F8.
I have always had to use Ctl-Alt-F* (Alt-F7 to return) even before switching to X.org.

Patrick

Re: Permanently stoping gnome-panel

[Bill Marcum]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 11:31:41AM +1100, Neil Dugan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have set up tightvncserver on my computer, I am using 'gnome-panel' to 
> put up some icons etc.. on the vnc screen.  My problem is when I go to 
> stop the new gnome-panel process it won't stay stopped.  I puts a 
> requester on my main X window that refuses to go away.
> 
> Is there any way to stop the second gnome-panel process completely?
> 
> I have tried 'kill ' & 'kill -9 ' & 'killall gnome-panel'.
> 
> Regards Neil.
> 
> 
Look for the "Sessions" tool (in System : Preferences)
and remove gnome-panel from your session.


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Bill Marcum]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:37:10PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> 
> ISTM, that our entire economy has been jacked up about $40,000 per
> year, to accomodate. 

Hey, where's my $40,000?  Give it back! :)


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Re: iptables

[Wayne Topa]

Hugo Vanwoerkom([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> 
> A little late with the post but thanks for the suggestion!
> I was looking for a way to start Firehol other than manually all the time.

Like /etc/init.d/firehol maybe?

less /var/lib/dpkg/info/firehol.list
..
..
..
/etc/init.d/firehol

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 12:48 -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 13:48 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> --snip--
> > Did Steve ever mention "rational"?  I don't think so.
> > 
> > Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds.  When 
> > you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil-
> > ted into the Borg collective.
> > 
> > It's *individuals* *choosing* to go along with Groupthing, conform-
> > ism, etc.
> 
> While it is true that, in the end, we all have a choice, the problem
> with a phenomenon such as groupthink is not in the choice, but in the
> data used as a basis for that choice.
> 
> While you and I may look at a situation and say, "That person obviously
> made a bad decision by throwing that bucket of gasoline onto that fire",
> the person facing the fire is looking at a bucket labeled "Water" that,
> as far as she can determine, CONTAINS water.
> 
> Groupthink and other socially influenced behaviors cause us to perceive
> our environments differently, thereby turning perfectly rational choices
> into apparently irrational ones. So in that sense, when you walk into an
> office building you ARE forcefully assimilated into the Borg collective.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree on this assertion.

> And unless you are an old bald man with a penchant for Earl Grey tea and
> saying things like "engage", you are not likely to get out of it
> easily. :)
> 

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Painful upgrade from XFree86 to X.Org

[László Monda]

Hi List,

After upgrading from XFree86 to X.Org bad, bad things happened to me.

More specifically:

1) I cannot switch to the consoles with Alt-F1 - F8.

2) Sometimes keyboard repetiton doesn't work.  Launching Gnome Keyboard
Preferences solves this problem, but it's still a pain.

3) The delete key functions as backspace in Emacs.

I've attached my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log.

I'd greatly appreciate if someone could shed some light on these issues.

Thanks in advance!

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# XFree86 4 configuration created by redhat-config-xfree86

Section "ServerLayout"

# Serial Mouse not detected
# USB Mouse not detected
Identifier "XFree86 Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice"PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "Files"

# Additional fonts: Locale, Gimp, TTF...
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
#   FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi"
#   FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi"
# True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig!
RgbPath  "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
#   FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
#   FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
#   FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/CID"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "ddc"  # ddc probing of monitor
Load  "GLcore"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "glx"
Load  "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
Load  "speedo"
Load  "type1"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "record"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
#   Option  "XkbRules" "xfree86"
#   Option  "XkbModel" "pc104"
#   Option  "XkbLayout" "us,hu"
#Option  "XkbOption" "grp:shift_toggle"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Serial Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "Microsoft"
Option  "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option  "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option  "SendCoreEvents" "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "PS/2 Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option  "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option  "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option  "SendCoreEvents" "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "USB Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "SendCoreEvents" "true"
Option  "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option  "Buttons" "5"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
 # Very conservative. May flicker.
# These are some Modelines that happen to work on many systems
# Especially the "1024x768" has been thoroughly tested, even on Laptops
Identifier   "Monitor0"
ModelName"NEC MultiSync P1250+"
HorizSync31.0 - 110.0
VertRefresh  55.0 - 160.0
ModeLine "640x480" 25.2 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
ModeLine "800x600" 40.1 800 848 968 1056 600 601 605 628
ModeLine "1024x768" 85.0 1024 1056 1152 1360 768 784 787 823
ModeLine "1152x864" 92.0 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895
ModeLine "1152x864" 110.0 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908
ModeLine "1152x864" 135.0 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908
ModeLine "1152x864" 137.7 1152 1184 1312 1536 864 866 885 902 
-hsync -vsync
ModeLine "1280x1024" 80.0 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 
interlace
ModeLine "1280x1024" 11

OT: Asus-N6600-TD/256 video card?

[Ishwar Rattan]

Does any one know if it works with X
in Debian-unstable? I am thinking of buying
a new video card.

Thanks in advance,
-ishwar


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Alex Malinovich]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 13:48 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
--snip--
> Did Steve ever mention "rational"?  I don't think so.
> 
> Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds.  When 
> you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil-
> ted into the Borg collective.
> 
> It's *individuals* *choosing* to go along with Groupthing, conform-
> ism, etc.

While it is true that, in the end, we all have a choice, the problem
with a phenomenon such as groupthink is not in the choice, but in the
data used as a basis for that choice.

While you and I may look at a situation and say, "That person obviously
made a bad decision by throwing that bucket of gasoline onto that fire",
the person facing the fire is looking at a bucket labeled "Water" that,
as far as she can determine, CONTAINS water.

Groupthink and other socially influenced behaviors cause us to perceive
our environments differently, thereby turning perfectly rational choices
into apparently irrational ones. So in that sense, when you walk into an
office building you ARE forcefully assimilated into the Borg collective.

And unless you are an old bald man with a penchant for Earl Grey tea and
saying things like "engage", you are not likely to get out of it
easily. :)

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bad md5sum for initrd in hd-media?

[David Emerson]

Hi there,

I downloaded initrd.gz and vmlinuz from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/hd-media/2.6/

(I'm intending to install sarge from hard drive on a computer with a flaky 
cd-rom)

There are md5sums at
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/other/MD5SUMS

My vmlinuz md5 matches up, but the initrd.gz md5sum does not match. I 
re-downloaded with no change, still in disagreement the archive:

My md5sum:
ca838dff73b15963544ea21537ccaa8f  initrd.gz

archive md5sum:
250db6ab320fc5edcecf3ed9d1c185a6  ./hd-media/2.6/initrd.gz

(My vmlinuz md5 matches the archive...)
d80defb1fc1d85ee189879a479076d95  vmlinuz

I'm rather hesitant to install at this point. Any advice?

Thanks,
David

Re: Request to remove Information

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty:
> 
> > You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests.
> > Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I
> > can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to
> 
> Does not work, because this stupig "remailer"
> break the thread in small pieces.

Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread.

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all our hopes on parchment and on paper, let us strive to build
peace, a desire for peace, a willingness to work for peace in the
hearts and minds of all of our people. I believe that we can. I
believe the problems of human destiny are not beyond the reach of
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Re: Request to remove Information

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 10:05 -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 06:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > C Shore wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > >>And the corporations are trying to prevent from folding.  BTW, you do
> > >>realize that corporations are nothing more than individuals just like you.
> > 
> > > That's a load of crap perpetuated by lawyers.  A coporation is not 
> > > person in any reasonable definition of the word.
> > 
> > That's not what I said.  I said that corporations are nothing more than
> > individuals just like you.  Note the plural.  What makes up a corporation.
> > Uhm, individual human beings.  When people say "Corporations do this" and
> > "Corporations do that" they are demonizing an entity which is, at the very
> > core, made up of and run by people just like them.  To question why certain
> > decisions are made by "corporations" while ignoring that people make the 
> > same
> > decisions, is to show a monumental amount of ignorance.
> 
> To assume that what a group decides is equivalent to the decisions that
> would be made by any rational, individual member of said group, is to
> show a monumental amount of ignorance. (If I may borrow a phrase from
> Steve here.)
> 
> Groupthink[1] is a very powerful force in human behavior. Many extremely
> bad decisions have been made through the years because of it and its
> sister stupidities: herd behavior[2], mob mentality[3], conformism[4],
> et al[5]. And many of those bad decisions have been brought to light
> only because of the willingness of rational INDIVIDUALS to identify
> those decisions as stupid and speak out or act out against them.

Did Steve ever mention "rational"?  I don't think so.

Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds.  When 
you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil-
ted into the Borg collective.

It's *individuals* *choosing* to go along with Groupthing, conform-
ism, etc.

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mike McCarty]

Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 18 November 2005 00:40, Carl Fink wrote:


On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 11:25:16PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


Let's find the cause, find the reason for the challenges, and then
act.


Let's ask the listmasters why this account wasn't unsubscribed within
hours of this stupid misconfiguration.



Warren Togami did just that to the fedora list, but I've no clue who
manages this one.



Not quite. Fedora unsubscribed ALL of UOL, not "this account".

Mike
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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mike McCarty]

Gene Heskett wrote:

[snip]



I beg to differ about incompetent. And I doubt if its anything like
10 linux users just from that one ISP.  OTOH, if those users who do
get tossed figure out why, they WILL take a cluebat to the ISP's
offices and get it fixed. 10 pissed users showing up at the offices
will usually get their attention, if only to occupy the 9 drones in
the front room while the 10th heads for the real office.


This is not clear to  me. I've had arguments with the service
personnel at my ISP (the help line now goes to India). I've
told them at times that their mail server is down, and had
them argue back that they just checked, and all mail servers
are up. Then they want to run diagnostics checks on my DSL
modem. When I tell them I can browse with no problem, but
that I'm getting POP errors reported, they start asking
what version of Windows I'm running, and how I know that
I'm getting POP failures. On one occasion, when I told the
fellow I wasn't running Windows, then he asked what version
of MacOS I run. I told him that I don't run MacOS, and he
said "Oh, then you're probably running XP." After arguing
with him about MY OWN MACHINE, for a while, I told him
"I run Linux." That was the end of the conversation for
him. The servers are up, the problem is that I'm running
Linux. Goodbye. Click!

On another occasion when I reported POP failures, and
the fellow checked, he said "No, all the e-mail servers
are up. I just checked. Four people from your area
have called to complain, and so I'm sure the server
is up, because I've already looked three times!"

!?

So, I don't call any more. I just wait an hour or so,
and usually somebody with brains has noticed the
problem and rebooted the server.

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mike McCarty]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Gene Heskett wrote:


[snip]



You see, the C/R responder this clueless twit has setup, is also
expunging all traces of the source user from the headers of the
messages, therefore we have no recourse against that user as an



NOW, THAT is something UOL could fix without 'losing face or business'.


I've got a suggestion...

So far, everyone is complaining about some guy who has probably
made an ignorant mistake, and about UOL which is exacerbating
the problem making it difficult to identify the culprit.

Has anyone tried to respond to the culprit? IOW, answer the C/R?
I won't do it, because I don't have any throw-away e-mail addresses.
But I suggest that a list manager do the following:

(1) re-enable UOL
(2) send a message to the group using a throw-away e-mail address
contents of said message to be something like:
You have accidentally caused us a problem by enabling your
anti-SPAM to send everyone on the group challenges. This is
a problem for us. Please contact me via e-mail at this address
and we'll work together to resolve this.
(3) disable UOL
(4) respond to the challenge so the e-mail gets delivered
(5) try to work with whoever responds to get things fixed
(6) throw away the e-mail address, because it may be getting
large amounts of SPAM soon.


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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Curt Howland]

> HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE?

I did. Testing, specifically, and ran into all the trouble one would 
expect.

> A newbie which come to "our" website, WILL download STABLE.

False. There are more examples than just I. Unless, of course, by 
"our" you mean some other web site than Debian.org.

> A newbie who downloads TESTING or UNSTABLE was following directions
> by other people WHICH KNOW how to use it.

False again. I came to Debian having never used Linux before, nor 
knowing any more than "Hey, check out this Linux thing" from one 
coworker. My decision was based entirely on reading the Debian web 
page, which has not changed substantially in structure since then.

> I have never recommended to newbies downloading TESTING or UNSTABLE
> because I am aware of the problems...

Which is exactly what I was informed of when I, having problems with 
Testing, started asking questions in the Debian-user forum.

> Greetings
> Michelle

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 19:04 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2005-11-16 10:07:38, schrieb Steve Block:
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:19:04AM -0500, Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> > >Is anyone else suddenly getting spammed by "Antispam UOL" messages
> > >related to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Yes and I am probably going to blacklist the sender.
> 
> I have done this too.
> And it does not stop...
> 
> Currently I have around 4.000 Messages gotten

Can't you just filter them into the Trash or use a killfile?

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:02:47AM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:

> I won't give you any arguments.  If it is the software that you like and 
> not a need for the format, then that is your choice and your right. 
> That's what linux is all about -- choice!  I will also admit that the 
> reveal codes option was the greatest idea since the wheel.  I used it in 
> WP 5.1 a LOT, not as much in WP8, though.  I wish that other word 
> processors would start using it, too.  It seems like such an easy thing, 
> I don't know why others have not picked it up.

I believe it was discussed on this very list years ago for OOo.  Answer:
they disapprove of it. 

Really: the OOo developers don't want people to think in terms of
formatting, but in terms of styles.  So codes shouldn't matter to us.
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Re: Upgrading to linux-2.6.14.2

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> Compiling the kernel oneself is not for the light-hearted :^) In
> theory, it is easy if you follow the instructions. In practice, is
> looking for trouble, unless you know what you are doing. I don't want
> to disencourage learning and getting experience, but I suggest that you
> use a prepackaged kernel image, instead.

Or, if you want to compile from source your own kernel, please use a
packaged kernel *source*.  Debian's has a lot of patches in it.  Same for
RedHat/Fedora, etc.  Refer to the kernel-tree- packages in Debian
unstable and testing.

AND, install and learn to use the kernel-package package, and make-kpkg
utility.  It will make your life a lot easier.

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Re: Upgrading to linux-2.6.14.2

[Basajaun]

Jeff Lucas wrote:
> I've been trying to install an update from linux-2.4.27-2-k7 to
> linux-2.6.14.2.  But when I install the kernel package that I built and
> reboot to linux-2.6.14.2 it brings up a kernel panic.  When I created the
> menu config file I made sure that all filesystems where to be installed in
> the package and not as modules.  I also built the IDE chipset and SCSI into
> the package.  Nothing has worked so far.  I am a BRAND NEW user to linux and
> I'm using debian GNU/Linux 3.1.  I need detailed info if possible.
>
> Thanx
>
> Jeff

Compiling the kernel oneself is not for the light-hearted :^) In
theory, it is easy if you follow the instructions. In practice, is
looking for trouble, unless you know what you are doing. I don't want
to disencourage learning and getting experience, but I suggest that you
use a prepackaged kernel image, instead.

Once you get a Debian-packaged standard 2.6 kernel working, you can
fiddle to your heart's content with a kernel.org source, and try to
compile it. That way, you

1) already have a 2.6 kernel running (your #1 objective, I guess)

, and

2) know that if your compiled kernel doesn't boot, it is because of
some configuration mistake you made, and not some other weird thing
that prevents such a kernel version from booting in your specific
machine.

, and

3) take advantage of the APT packaging system that is an important part
of the reasons one uses Debian in first place.

HTH,

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Re: vim-suite

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

roberto wrote:


hello
i recently installed 'vim-suite' provided by debian
after this, it happens the following strange behaviour:
if i type an open and a close parenthesis like this ()
or like this{} then vim prompts me with these instead:
(<++>) or {<++>} in place of () and {} but i did not know exactly what
this means

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That is infact the beauty of the Vim-latexsuite. They are called place 
holders. For more information open gvim and enter


:h place-holders

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Re: Problemas de instalacion

[Lorenzo Lopez]

You should know a few things before trying to send an email to any 
mailing list:


1. If you send a mail to a list in a non-spanish language, you should 
write your email in English language.


2. You should send your emails in plain text format. This is because not 
everybody has the possibility to read emails in html format (i.e. people 
with console-based mail readers).


3. You should try to send your mails with an acceptable good mail reader 
(i.e. almost any mail reader but outlook).


4. You should send your emails to the suitable list depending on the 
topic of your mail.



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Best cluster OS

[Nick I]

Hi,
At
www.clusterbuilder.org/FAQ
there is a question about what OS and cluster management software are
the best for a cluster system.  Does
anyone have any advice on Debian as a cluster OS?

Here is the question:
"I'm
bulding a project for a cluster that consists on 64 machines running
each 2x Dual Core AMD Opteron with 2GB of memory per core (8GB per
machine). We already have everything else accounted for except for
the software. We have serious doubts on what would be best for the OS
and the cluster management software. The OS has to be open source.
Please give me some advice on what you think you be the best
performance solution for it. It doesn''t matter if it's not free.
"
Also,
if anyone has any advice on cluster management software, please send
it.  I am trying to build a knowldgebase of different opinions on
software.
Thanks,
Nick

Re: Request to remove Information

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:22 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Then we're even: "religion" should work better than the people 
> > > who implement and practice it.
> > 
> > Nope.  Because the people who practice and implement it are required by
> > its very nature to ignore reason, logic and to disbelieve anything to the
> > contrary.
> 
> Having read the Bible a lot (completely twice, and big chunks many
> more times), and known *lots* of religious people, and being an
> amateur history buff, I can categorically state that your "required"
> assertion is not flat wrong.

I'll definitely second that. Too often people confuse the sheep
following quasi-religious political establishments such as the Catholic
church (among others), for religious people in general. Buddhism and
many other eastern religions focus very heavily on logical thought and
learning. So religion does not NECESSARILY need to ignore reason and
logic, it is only that many of the best-known religions tend to do this.

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vim-suite

[roberto]

hello
i recently installed 'vim-suite' provided by debian
after this, it happens the following strange behaviour:
if i type an open and a close parenthesis like this ()
or like this{} then vim prompts me with these instead:
(<++>) or {<++>} in place of () and {} but i did not know exactly what
this means

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 06:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> C Shore wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >>And the corporations are trying to prevent from folding.  BTW, you do
> >>realize that corporations are nothing more than individuals just like you.
> 
> > That's a load of crap perpetuated by lawyers.  A coporation is not 
> > person in any reasonable definition of the word.
> 
> That's not what I said.  I said that corporations are nothing more than
> individuals just like you.  Note the plural.  What makes up a corporation.
> Uhm, individual human beings.  When people say "Corporations do this" and
> "Corporations do that" they are demonizing an entity which is, at the very
> core, made up of and run by people just like them.  To question why certain
> decisions are made by "corporations" while ignoring that people make the same
> decisions, is to show a monumental amount of ignorance.

To assume that what a group decides is equivalent to the decisions that
would be made by any rational, individual member of said group, is to
show a monumental amount of ignorance. (If I may borrow a phrase from
Steve here.)

Groupthink[1] is a very powerful force in human behavior. Many extremely
bad decisions have been made through the years because of it and its
sister stupidities: herd behavior[2], mob mentality[3], conformism[4],
et al[5]. And many of those bad decisions have been brought to light
only because of the willingness of rational INDIVIDUALS to identify
those decisions as stupid and speak out or act out against them.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behaviour
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_mentality
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformism
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#See_also

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-17 00:35:13, schrieb Rogério Brito:
> On Nov 16 2005, Carl Fink wrote:
> > I'm tempted to report them to the US authorities AS as spammer.
> 
> If the Debian lists start blocking everything from UOL, then I won't be
> able to post anymore.

It is not possibel for Debian to block it, because I have gotten
the 4000 UOL messages directly from UOL and not via Debian.

> That's the ISP that I use and just because there is one asshole
> subscribed to a mailing list with a challenge-response address, that
> doesn't mean that other people using the same ISP are also brain
> damaged.

right.

> Yes, this provider is brain-damaged. They don't even know what Usenet is
> and it would be quite handy if I got access to sci.math, comp.theory,
> comp.emacs and comp.text.tex. :-(

I have installed a procmail filter which forward the
"AntiSpam UOL" messages to the Abuse Address of UOL.  :-)

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-17 01:07:24, schrieb Antony Gelberg:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> > I'm tempted to report them to the US authorities AS as spammer.
> 
> I'm so angry but the extent of my anger was to ask listmaster to kick
> the offender off.  Grr times a thousand.

:-)

me too!

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-16 10:07:38, schrieb Steve Block:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:19:04AM -0500, Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> >Is anyone else suddenly getting spammed by "Antispam UOL" messages
> >related to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Yes and I am probably going to blacklist the sender.

I have done this too.
And it does not stop...

Currently I have around 4.000 Messages gotten

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michelle Konzack]

You too ?

On 16/17 November I have gotten around 4000.
I have already mailed the Abuse contact...

Am 2005-11-16 10:19:04, schrieb Mitch Wiedemann:
> Is anyone else suddenly getting spammed by "Antispam UOL" messages
> related to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Problemas de instalacion

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:37:52PM -0300, Mario A. Sanchez - Sistemas - Clínica 
Pergamino S.A. wrote:
> Que tal tengo la version de debian en 2 DVD.
> 
> Los DVD bootean bien, pero cuando comienza la instalación me deice que
> no puede montar el cdrom y se muere la instalacion.
> 
> Tengo un athlon amd 64 bits con lectora de DVD, que puede ser, el
> mismo error me lo tira con los cdrom de instalacion
> 

Mario,

Todas las listas a cual has dirigido tu mensaje, son para discusiones en
inglés.  Tambien, este és un problema que se pertenece a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ni a [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Por favor
mande tu pregunta a [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Changing default runlevels

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-15 13:31:00, schrieb Scott:
> I've gathered Debian starts in run level 2 and from there X is started.
> 
> How do I change the setting so that when I log in I don't go any further
> than a shell and if I want ex  I just type "startx" and enter?

apt-get --pruge remove kdm | gdm |wdm | xdm

> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,


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Re: mounting a remote directory

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-15 23:50:09, schrieb Clive Menzies:

> We have Linux, Windows and OSX clients and initially used both NFS and
> Samba.  However, there were three reasons we decided to standardise all
> clients on Samba:

And the UNIX permissions are gone...

> NFS is allegedly less secure

I am using NFS via Internet, but ssl tunneled.

> Regards
> 
> Clive

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-16 16:19:10, schrieb Mitch Wiedemann:

> I suggest you keep your ego in check and remember you're on a
> *debian-user* email list. 
> 
> If you would like to discuss e-mail filtering, that would be a great
> deal more useful to the rest of us than what you've all been going on about.
> 
> So, what is the most efficient way to filter any and all future
> responses to the "Request to remove Information" thread?

in your ~/.procmailrc

:0
* ^Subject:.*(Request to remove Information)
/dev/null
 

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty:

> You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests.
> Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I
> can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to

Does not work, because this stupig "remailer"
break the thread in small pieces.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-16 03:49:16, schrieb Antonio Rodriguez:

> Speaking of the devil that keeps the US (European, etc) population
> getting fatter and fatter every day (growth hormone to cows, cows to
> human mouths, you know the chain, plus some other substances, etc), by
> the end of the year the gov is getting ready to approve the sale of
> cloned animals in the market, noiseless, as usual, no body knows,

But not in Germany, France or the rest of the EU

> nobody cares, oh!, we are getting fatter, so fat that look like
> walking balloons...

Hey, I am eating Halal from Morocco and Turkey. :-)

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Re: Building ant from etch

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:20:32PM +, Joseph Haig wrote:
> I am backporting ant-1.6.5 from testing to stable (as part of the
> process of attempting to backport openoffice.org) and it seems to have

You shouldn't need to do that.  The only reason for depending on Ant
1.6.5 is because of the dependency on gcj-4.0.  So, unless you are
backporting all of gcc-4.0, you don't need the newer Ant.

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Re: Where to download Debian 1.2?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi Manou again,

There are archived ISO's on .

Am 2005-11-13 17:32:22, schrieb Manou J.M. Eifes:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know where I can download a full version of Debian 1.2 or 
> getting an ISO-image of a cd that contains Debian 1.2? Or could someone send
> me a copy of the Infomagic CD-ROM (december 1996), that contains Debian 1.2 
> or an ftp-server that holds the CD-ROM as an ISO-image.
> 
> I need  Debian 1.2 for a personal project. I want to try severel different 
> old Debian versions on an old computer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Manou
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Re: changin XTerm colors

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-17 09:46:04, schrieb John L Fjellstad:
> Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Weird, becasue I have a directory called ~/.Xresources and there I
> > have the file
> 
> Are you using Sid with Xorg?  I don't think I had problems

My /home is mounted via NFS and it works on Potato, Woody, Sarge
and Etch.  My Development Workstation is currently down because
X.org makes problems with starting.

So I can not try it.

> until I upgraded to Sid.  Don't really know what the difference, if any,
> between Xorg and whatever version of XFree came with Sarge.

Hmmm...

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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-17 08:48:33, schrieb loos:

> 1. Normal = most of them does just that.

I do not know ONE newbie which is using TESTING or UNSTABLE.

> 2. Debian unstable is just as good as a stable Fedora, etc.

My Development Workstation was broken several times in the last 4
month.  There was no chance for newbies to get it running again.
 
> 3. By having problems, which on unstable are rapidly resolved (<1 week)
> they actually learn a lot. Beginning with a little patience.

You mean those guys which send then wit M$ Outlook Express to
the Debian lists and break mail threads where you do not find
the singel messages in your Mailbox ?

> 4. They usually don't price stability at all since they don't devellop
> for anything, they just use.

???
 
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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi Antony,

Am 2005-11-15 11:11:02, schrieb Antony Gelberg:

> It's not that simple.  A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable
> because they "have" to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what
> to do when their system breaks.

HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE?

A newbie which come to "our" website, WILL download STABLE.

A newbie who downloads TESTING or UNSTABLE was following directions
by other people WHICH KNOW how to use it.

I have never recommended to newbies downloading TESTING or UNSTABLE
because I am aware of the problems...

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:47:47AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> 
> I don't use WP8 for its file format! I use it because it remains the best
> word processor out there, especially because of its "Reveal Codes" function
> which no other word processor does as well, that I've seen anyway. And if

Interesting.  I use Vim and LaTeX and have no problems "revealing
codes."

> OO.o2 is anything like OO.o, it's bloatware. WP8 may have its flaws, but it
> remains my word processor of choice. And I'm running it on a current testing
> system. (And, no, I don't want to get into an argument about the merits;
> others have their word processor of choice. I just want the same.)
> 
True, OOo is quite bloated.

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Problemas de instalacion

[Mario A . Sanchez - Sistemas - Clínica Pergamino S . A .]

Que tal tengo la version de debian en 2 DVD.
 
Los DVD bootean bien, pero cuando comienza la instalación me deice que no 
puede montar el cdrom y se muere la instalacion.
 
Tengo un athlon amd 64 bits con lectora de DVD, que puede ser, el mismo 
error me lo tira con los cdrom de instalacion
 
Espero uan respuesta
 
saludos

  

   

Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I beg to differ about incompetent. And I doubt if its anything like

Read my reply to my own post.

> 10 linux users just from that one ISP.  OTOH, if those users who do

We are not talking about a pint-sized-country's ISP here, they should exceed
10k LINUX users easily (although I am not sure about 100k LINUX users).

But it is an AOL-style ISP, so the users are quite often clueless... and so
is the entire first and second-level support staff, as usual in these ISPs.

> get tossed figure out why, they WILL take a cluebat to the ISP's
> offices and get it fixed. 10 pissed users showing up at the offices

Heh, which one of the 50 or so offices? You need somethink like 1000 pissed
off users to even make them notice, and they better clog the entrace of the
datacenter (and wear heavy protection gear, the police won't like it).

> Absolutely no response has been obtained from any of those addresses I
> posted earlier.  I also have no clue if the forwarding in kmail 1.7
> works as advertised since I'd never tried it before.  I also haven't
> taken the time to search my sent-mail folder, call me lazy.

Well, don't report anyone to rfc-ignorant.org on that basis.

> >Ever heard of VERP?  It is immune to forwarding and header cleanup. It
> > has been in use for years.  It can be done automatically by the ML
> > software, or you can use an external utility and process the results
> > of a VERP run manually.
> 
> Nope, never heard of it.  Commercial I assume...  I wonder if Warren
> Togami (RH) has knowledge of it?

Don't assume.  You are as off the mark as someone thinking that Microsoft
created the Linux kernel.  I won't even bother posting a link, do a Google
search.

A listmaster has to be incompetent to not know about VERP.  Of course, he
can _know_ about VERP and still not use it for whichever reason, that
wouldn't qualify him as incompetent at all.

There is no way Warren Togami wouldn't know about it if he is a RedHat
listmaster (I don't know him).  What does he consider enough reason to
actually USE VERP, I have no idea.

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Re: "Antispam UOL" spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 November 2005 07:36, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >This attitude would punish a lot of users, "thank you". For example,
>> >since they are my ISP, I'm using them as a relay.
>>
>> And "open" relays should be banned.  Period.
>
>UOL may be a lot of crap, but open relays they are not AFAIK.
>
>> I'm forwarding all such messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Its no doubt a
>> black hole, but...
>
>IF it is a blackhole, complain at rfc-ignorant.org.  Unlike a damnable
> user with that annoying challenge-response system enabled to a mailing
> list, an ISP failing to pay attention to abuse@ is not forgiveable,
> and UOL has the resources to respond to abuse@ without problems.
>
>Rogério, I'd phone UOL right now, and give them hell. They won't listen
> to YOU, but if enough people complain, they'll do something about it.
>
>> The Fedora list has simply expunged all users from this ISP from the
>> subscription lists, a self defense brought on by a C/R response from
>> this twerp for every message posted, doubling the load on the
>> servers.
>
>Incompetent listmasters there?  Blacklisting at least 10 users for
> one dumbass that replies with a constant email address you could drop
> at the incoming MTAs?  (and it is probably more like 50 or so,
> this ISP is *big* and country-wide).

I beg to differ about incompetent. And I doubt if its anything like
10 linux users just from that one ISP.  OTOH, if those users who do
get tossed figure out why, they WILL take a cluebat to the ISP's
offices and get it fixed. 10 pissed users showing up at the offices
will usually get their attention, if only to occupy the 9 drones in
the front room while the 10th heads for the real office.

>> You see, the C/R responder this clueless twit has setup, is also
>> expunging all traces of the source user from the headers of the
>> messages, therefore we have no recourse against that user as an
>
>NOW, THAT is something UOL could fix without 'losing face or business'.
>Rogério, you're their costumer. I'd highly suggest you contact them
> NOW. Use the Fedora blocking as leverage, and open different tickets
> (otherwise they WILL ignore your complain and all suggestions that are
> in the same ticket).
>
>I'd suggest one for headers of the original email on the AntispamUOL
> *email reply* and not the fucking web page, and another to allow us to
> submit AntispamUOL blacklists to them (which will drop any and all
> messages requiring AntispamUOL verification that are addressed to some
> domains). And a third one for the abuse@, warning of the blacklisting
> which WILL be done through rfc-ignorant.org sooner or later.

Absolutely no response has been obtained from any of those addresses I
posted earlier.  I also have no clue if the forwarding in kmail 1.7
works as advertised since I'd never tried it before.  I also haven't
taken the time to search my sent-mail folder, call me lazy.

>> individual and must perforce blacklist, reject, or otherwise dispose
>> of all messages comeing from that triplet of addresses that represent
>> uol.com.br.
>
>Ever heard of VERP?  It is immune to forwarding and header cleanup. It
> has been in use for years.  It can be done automatically by the ML
> software, or you can use an external utility and process the results
> of a VERP run manually.

Nope, never heard of it.  Commercial I assume...  I wonder if Warren
Togami (RH) has knowledge of it?

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Re: mounting iPod

[Klaus Pieper]

VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdb1.


sdb1 contains the system, you have to mount sdb2.
Klaus


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

[Marc Shapiro]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:
I don't use WP8 for its file format!  I use it because it remains the 
best word processor out there, especially because of its "Reveal Codes" 
function which no other word processor does as well, that I've seen 
anyway.  And if OO.o2 is anything like OO.o, it's bloatware.  WP8 may 
have its flaws, but it remains my word processor of choice.  And I'm 
running it on a current testing system.  (And, no, I don't want to get 
into an argument about the merits; others have their word processor of 
choice.  I just want the same.)


I won't give you any arguments.  If it is the software that you like and 
not a need for the format, then that is your choice and your right. 
That's what linux is all about -- choice!  I will also admit that the 
reveal codes option was the greatest idea since the wheel.  I used it in 
WP 5.1 a LOT, not as much in WP8, though.  I wish that other word 
processors would start using it, too.  It seems like such an easy thing, 
I don't know why others have not picked it up.


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Re: gnome resolution

[Serkan Sakar]

Dexter schrieb:

Hi,
i've debian installed on Laptop 15". I use Gnome DM. I 've set up
resolution 1024x768, which is i think maximum for my LCD display,
becouse XF86Server ignores higher resolution. But still my icons and
open windows are quite big, 


in nautilus -> settings there is an option to adjust the icon size 
(25%-100%)


like I would use lover resolution. If I
lover lesolution to 800x600, than there are even biger. 
Did I miss some setings?  Why I can't get bether resolution?


if your graphiccard doesnt support other higher resolutions than 
1024x786, which is quite common for a 15" lcd, than it wont work.


Thanks 
Dexter





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Re: mounting iPod

[Sergio Cuéllar Valdés]

2005/11/18, Bernd Prager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> While trying to attach and mount my iPod I end up with following error
> messages:
>
> ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root
> node and resetting...
> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
> ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0-00:1023
> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]  GUID[000a27000203ce96]
> scsi2 : SCSI emulation for IEEE-1394 SBP-2 Devices
> ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device
> ieee1394: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048]
>   Vendor: Apple Model: iPod  Rev: 1.24
>   Type:   Direct-Access-RBC  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> SCSI device sdb: 19531260 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
> sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
> sdb: asking for cache data failed
> sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
> SCSI device sdb: 19531260 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
> sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
> sdb: asking for cache data failed
> sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
>  sdb: [mac] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3
> Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> sdb1: rw=0, want=65602, limit=62
> VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdb1.
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> sdb1: rw=0, want=65602, limit=62
> VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdb1.
>
> I'm using etch with kernel version 2.6.14.2.
> Can anybody please help me with some suggestions?


Hi,
How are you mounting the ipod ?

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Re: gnome resolution

[Jon Dowland]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 05:22:28PM +0100, Dexter wrote:
> i've debian installed on Laptop 15". I use Gnome DM. I 've set up
> resolution 1024x768, which is i think maximum for my LCD display,
> becouse XF86Server ignores higher resolution. 

Did it work, then? Are you getting 1024x768? To test: take a screenshot
(using the gnome tool or 'import -window root tempfile.png') and run the
program `file' over the result. This will give you the resolution.
Example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ import -window root tempfile.png
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file tempfile.png
tempfile.png: PNG image data, 1280 x 1024, 16-bit/color RGB,
non-interlaced

(there's probably a much easier approach to doing this. The
gnome-display-properties program seems to tell you, for example.)

> But still my icons and open windows are quite big, like I would use
> lover resolution. If I lover lesolution to 800x600, than there are
> even biger.  Did I miss some setings?  Why I can't get bether
> resolution?

For a lower resolution, a smaller number of pixels are occupying the
same amount of space on the screen as for a larger resolution.
Therefore, it's normal for an icon to appear larger at a smaller
resolution.

In GNOME, you can run nautilus-file-management-properties (shows up as
`File Management Properties' or similar on the GNOME menu under settings
or preferences or somesuch) and select smaller icon sizes (they're
expressed in percentages, I believe).

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Re: how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Realos]

> Jon Dowland wanted us to know:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -drp testdir/* temp/

Actually, I need that "-p" option for preserving rights/ownrships on
files. Owing to this helpful list, the problem is solved.

many thanks and a nice WE.

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gnome resolution

[Dexter]

Hi,
i've debian installed on Laptop 15". I use Gnome DM. I 've set up
resolution 1024x768, which is i think maximum for my LCD display,
becouse XF86Server ignores higher resolution. But still my icons and
open windows are quite big, like I would use lover resolution. If I
lover lesolution to 800x600, than there are even biger. 
Did I miss some setings?  Why I can't get bether resolution?
Thanks 
Dexter


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at-poke in debian system

[Mauricio Lin]

Hi all,

Does anyone have at-poke installed on debian system?

I installed on my debian sarge but it is crashing all the time.

Below is the error.

** ERROR **: Can't find at-poke.glade2
aborting...


and a dialog window is showed with the following message ->

The Application "at-poke" has quit unexpectedly.
You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.

Any idea?

BR,

Mauricio Lin.

Server response slow (revisited)

[Ed Curtis]

So far I've managed to speed up pop processes by adding all my Lan hosts
to the /etc/hosts file. This also help internal ssh logins. Also, I found
my problem with SMTP response times. Apparently the RBL I was using was
slowing down the process. I removed their entries and SMTP requests are
now instantaneous.

Ed


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Re: how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Tudi LE BLEIS]

> I know I could copy all files with "cp * temp" and then all subdirectories 
> one by one butI would prefer a single command to do that. Any chance?

cp -R testdir/* temp

If I understood well...

Tudi.


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Re: how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Jon Dowland]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:23:57PM +0100, Realos wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -drp testdir/ temp/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll temp/
> drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:04 testdir

> I know I could copy all files with "cp * temp" and then all
> subdirectories one by one butI would prefer a single command to do
> that. Any chance?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -drp testdir/* temp/

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Re: how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Realos]

> Peter Nuttall wanted us to know:
>
>cp -r testdir/* temp might do the trick

thanks a lot for quick and a helpful reply.

cheers,


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Re: how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Peter Nuttall]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:23:57PM +0100, Realos wrote:
> I like to copy all contents of a directory "testdir",i.e. all its
> files and subdirectories, into another directory called "temp". 
> 
> The problem is that the directory "testdir" itself is also being created
> inside the "temp" directory. How can I copy _only_ contents of "testdir" 
> without that parent directory, namely "testdir" being recreated inside "temp"?
> 
> Following is how it all looks like in my case:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll
> drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:05 temp
> drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:04 testdir
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll testdir/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:05 testdir_1
> -rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_a
> -rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_b
> -rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_c
> -rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_d
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -drp testdir/ temp/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll temp/
> drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:04 testdir
> 
> I know I could copy all files with "cp * temp" and then all subdirectories 
> one by one butI would prefer a single command to do that. Any chance?
> 
Hi,

cp -r testdir/* temp might do the trick

Pete

> Regards,
> 
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how to cp dir and subdir but not the parentdirectory?

[Realos]

I like to copy all contents of a directory "testdir",i.e. all its
files and subdirectories, into another directory called "temp". 

The problem is that the directory "testdir" itself is also being created
inside the "temp" directory. How can I copy _only_ contents of "testdir" 
without that parent directory, namely "testdir" being recreated inside "temp"?

Following is how it all looks like in my case:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll
drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:05 temp
drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:04 testdir

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll testdir/
drwxr-xr-x  2 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:05 testdir_1
-rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_a
-rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_b
-rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_c
-rw-r--r--  1 user user0 2005-11-18 16:04 testfile_d

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -drp testdir/ temp/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll temp/
drwxr-xr-x  3 user user 1024 2005-11-18 16:04 testdir

I know I could copy all files with "cp * temp" and then all subdirectories one 
by one butI would prefer a single command to do that. Any chance?

Regards,

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