Re: Debian et Google Drive
Bonjour, Le dimanche 23 novembre 2014, S L a écrit... Dégooglisons Internet (et décholestérolons-nous la vie) Framadrive en 2015... http://degooglisons-internet.org/liste/ https://duckduckgo.com -- jm -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123101900.GA5061@espinasse
HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
On 11/23/2014 01:10 AM, S L wrote: Le 23 novembre 2014 00:11, Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Est-il possible d'accéder à Google Drive comme on peut le faire avec Dropbox Bonjour Dégooglisons Internet (et décholestérolons-nous la vie) Framadrive en 2015... http://degooglisons-internet.org/liste/ Librement, Stef http://bn.parinux.org/p/agenda Bonjour Je soutiens cette démarche. Débarrassons nous de la peste Google comme nous nous sommes débarrassés de la peste Microsoft. http://www.solutions-logiciels.com/actualites.php?titre=Protection-de-la-vie-privee-les-internautes-prets-a-se-passer-de-Google-et-autre-services-americainsactu=15096 Vive le libre M -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471b468.1040...@aol.fr
HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
On 11/23/2014 11:19 AM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote: Dégooglisons Internet (et décholestérolons-nous la vie) Framadrive en 2015... http://degooglisons-internet.org/liste/ https://duckduckgo.com Excellente idée mais le duck n'est pas très performant. En attendant mieux, basé sur G mais sans les inconvénients de G https://startpage.com/fra/? https://startpage.com/fra/privacy-policy.html? M -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471b631.4060...@aol.fr
Re: [debian] PC portable compatible Debian : Asus T100
Désolé de reprendre ce fil déjà ancien, mais Noël approche... L'Asus T100 fonctionne t-il bien sous Linux Debian ? aussi la rapidité, réactivité... ainsi que l'écran tactile ? Il doit se décliner en plusieurs versions, si vous avez un conseil sur un modèle de la gamme T100. Merci. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411231200.45658.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
Bonjour, Le dimanche 23 novembre 2014, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit... Excellente idée mais le duck n'est pas très performant. En attendant mieux, basé sur G mais sans les inconvénients de G https://startpage.com/fra/? https://startpage.com/fra/privacy-policy.html? Pourquoi pas ixquick directement ? -- jm -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123121545.GA19555@espinasse
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
On 11/23/2014 01:15 PM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote: Excellente idée mais le duck n'est pas très performant. En attendant mieux, basé sur G mais sans les inconvénients de G https://startpage.com/fra/? https://startpage.com/fra/privacy-policy.html? Pourquoi pas ixquick directement ? La réponse est ici: https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/103/19/what-is-the-difference-between-startpage-and-ixquick Cependant G est le meilleur moteur de recherche. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471d8f0.5090...@aol.fr
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
Excellente idée, mais le duck n'est pas très performant. Hello, j'essaye d'utiliser duckduckgo au maximum depuis quelques temps, et je n'ai que rarement besoin de passer sur G. pour trouver des résultats plus pertinents. Les bangs de duckduckgo sont supers pratiques et font gagner pas mal de temps si on sait les utiliser. S'il faut sacrifier un peu de pertinence et de qualité pour un peu plus de liberté ... ça vaut le coup :-) Cordialement -- RHATAY Sami IUT Vannes - INFO2 ––– .--. / |o_o | |:_/ | // \ \ (| | ) /'\_ _/`\ \___)=(___/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [HS] Faire défiler des images sur une bande son
Le Sat, 22 Nov 2014 20:00:02 +0100, Cyrille a écrit : Je voudrais mettre dessus des images pour en faire un AVI Toutes les images (une centaine) sont stockées dans un dossier. package dvd-slideshow avec des utilitaires -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471d962$0$2145$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
Dégooglisons Internet (et décholestérolons-nous la vie) Framadrive en 2015... http://degooglisons-internet.org/liste/ Librement, Stef http://bn.parinux.org/p/agenda Bonjour Je soutiens cette démarche. Débarrassons nous de la peste Google comme nous nous sommes débarrassés de la peste Microsoft. http://www.solutions-logiciels.com/actualites.php?titre=Protection-de-la-vie-privee-les-internautes-prets-a-se-passer-de-Google-et-autre-services-americainsactu=15096 Vive le libre M Une solution intéressante pour de l'hébergement non centralisé chez soi / privé, similaire à Bittorrent Sync , mais en libre : Pulse : https://ind.ie/pulse/ Korben : http://korben.info/syncthing-devient-pulse-et-compte-bien-detroner-bittorrent-sync.html ça a l'air super prometteur ! Et ce n'est qu'une brique d'un projet encore plus grand, ils comptent même concevoir un smartphone libre. Cordialement -- RHATAY Sami IUT Vannes - INFO2 ––– .--. / |o_o | |:_/ | // \ \ (| | ) /'\_ _/`\ \___)=(___/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [HS] Faire défiler des images sur une bande son
Merci bizarrement openshot s'installe sans problème aujourd'hui. Il devait y avoir un pb avec le serveur. Je vais essayer ces 2 utilitaires graphiques ainsi que la ligne de commande que l'on m'a filée en privé ! Bon dimanche à tous ! Cyrille -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123142140.4dafe6e7@trollfest.trollfest.panic
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
On 11/23/2014 02:09 PM, Rhatay Sami wrote: Les bangs de duckduckgo sont supers pratiques et font gagner pas mal de temps si on sait les utiliser. S'il faut sacrifier un peu de pertinence et de qualité pour un peu plus de liberté ... ça vaut le coup :-) Oui mais ces fonctionnalités fournies par Startpage, Ixquick et G ne sont pas disponibles avec Duckduckgo: Date indifférente Moins de 24 heures Moins d'une semaine Moins d'un mois Moins d'un an -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471e054.6000...@aol.fr
Re: [HS] Faire défiler des images sur une bande son
bonjour, essai Kino, très simple d'utilisation Le 22 nov. 2014 19:54, Cyrille cyri...@cbiot.fr a écrit : Bonsoir J'ai enregistré un MP3. Je voudrais mettre dessus des images pour en faire un AVI Toutes les images (une centaine) sont stockées dans un dossier. Quel programme peut faire cela, je n'y connais pas grand chose en montage vidéo, j'ai essayé lives, mais les images tournent beaucoup trop vite et je n'arrive pas à régler la vitesse de défilement. Je pense qu'il doit y avoir bien plus simple. Je voulais installer openshot mais aptitude ne trouve pas blender (dépendance) sur le ftp de debian.fr (erreur 404) et donc bloque l'installation Je suis sous stable. Merci pour votre retour d'expérience. Cyrille -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141122195412.457ff91b@trollfest.trollfest.panic
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
Excellente idée mais le duck n'est pas très performant. Hello, j'essaye d'utiliser duckduckgo au maximum depuis quelques temps, et je n'ai que rarement besoin de passer sur G. pour trouver des résultats plus pertinents. Les bangs de duckduckgo sont supers pratiques et font gagner pas mal de temps si on sait les utiliser. S'il faut sacrifier un peu de pertinence et de qualité pour un peu plus de liberté ... ça vaut le coup :-) Cordialement -- RHATAY Sami IUT Vannes - INFO2 ––– .--. / |o_o | |:_/ | // \ \ (| | ) /'\_ _/`\ \___)=(___/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [HS] Faire défiler des images sur une bande son
Salut, Kino ? Il me semble qu'il est resté bloqué à la SD. Pour des photos la HD est quand même plus agréable ... Gaëtan Le Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:26:10 +0100 Belaïd oblivion.ik...@gmail.com a écrit: bonjour, essai Kino, très simple d'utilisation Le 22 nov. 2014 19:54, Cyrille cyri...@cbiot.fr a écrit : Bonsoir J'ai enregistré un MP3. Je voudrais mettre dessus des images pour en faire un AVI Toutes les images (une centaine) sont stockées dans un dossier. Quel programme peut faire cela, je n'y connais pas grand chose en montage vidéo, j'ai essayé lives, mais les images tournent beaucoup trop vite et je n'arrive pas à régler la vitesse de défilement. Je pense qu'il doit y avoir bien plus simple. Je voulais installer openshot mais aptitude ne trouve pas blender (dépendance) sur le ftp de debian.fr (erreur 404) et donc bloque l'installation Je suis sous stable. Merci pour votre retour d'expérience. Cyrille -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141122195412.457ff91b@trollfest.trollfest.panic -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123144925.42c55835b319eac7b1db5...@neuf.fr
Re: [HS] Faire défiler des images sur une bande son
a ok, je n'avais pas vu qu'il voulait du hd Le 23 nov. 2014 14:49, Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit : Salut, Kino ? Il me semble qu'il est resté bloqué à la SD. Pour des photos la HD est quand même plus agréable ... Gaëtan Le Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:26:10 +0100 Belaïd oblivion.ik...@gmail.com a écrit: bonjour, essai Kino, très simple d'utilisation Le 22 nov. 2014 19:54, Cyrille cyri...@cbiot.fr a écrit : Bonsoir J'ai enregistré un MP3. Je voudrais mettre dessus des images pour en faire un AVI Toutes les images (une centaine) sont stockées dans un dossier. Quel programme peut faire cela, je n'y connais pas grand chose en montage vidéo, j'ai essayé lives, mais les images tournent beaucoup trop vite et je n'arrive pas à régler la vitesse de défilement. Je pense qu'il doit y avoir bien plus simple. Je voulais installer openshot mais aptitude ne trouve pas blender (dépendance) sur le ftp de debian.fr (erreur 404) et donc bloque l'installation Je suis sous stable. Merci pour votre retour d'expérience. Cyrille -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141122195412.457ff91b@trollfest.trollfest.panic -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123144925.42c55835b319eac7b1db5...@neuf.fr
Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2014 à 13:54 +0100, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit : Cependant G est le meilleur moteur de recherche. C'est bien ce que je lui reproche. Le beurre et l'argent du beurre... Il est le meilleur ? Mais à quel prix ? Voilà la bonne question. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416787904.14948.3.ca...@aranha.fr
Re: Debian et Google Drive
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2014 à 01:44 +0100, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : J'en suis fort content mais c'est toujours HS. Je ne vous demande pas une solution pour remplacer Google Drive, j'en connais plein déjà et j'en utilise déjà, mais comment accéder à Google Drive depuis Debian via nautilus. Gnome m'énerve et google-drive, comme tous ces services d'espionnage gratuit, ce n'est pas trop ma tasse de thé, mais il me semble avoir vu passer il n'y a pas si longtemps que la fonctionnalité googledrive était dans les nouvelles fonctionnalités implémentées dans Gnome, sous entendu avant ça ne l'étais pas. Fouille les listes de gnome ou pose la question sur irc server OFTC #debian-gnome (english) Je ne peux pas mieux. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416788366.14948.5.ca...@aranha.fr
Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda
- Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda El Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:45:17 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El sábado, 22 nov 2014 a las 18:00 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: (...) Las opciones son las siguientes: 1. Puedes prescindir de esos paquetes: instalas xfce4 sin más. No, no puedo. 2. No puedes: instalas systemd Eso es lo que estoy diciendo, que te ves forzado a instalar systemd, sí o sí, en GNOME o en XFCE. 2.1. No quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-shim + (sysvinit-core o upstart) 2.2. Sí quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-sysv. Y no hay mayor problema. De verdad. *Para ti* obviamente no lo habrá, *para mí* lo hay porque el mismo entorno que tengo en wheezy no funciona en jessie si no paso por el aro de systemd. Vamos a ver, te respondo en global: Yo no relativizo ni me pongo como medida de nada. Cuando hablo de dependencia o recomendación me refiero única y exclusivamente a lo que el sistema de paquetes llama dependencia o recomendación (puedes ver las definiciones en https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.es.html) El sistema puede tener sus dependencias en cuanto a paquetes pero entenderás que los usuarios tengas sus propios requerimientos. Como ves el problema no es que GNOME o XFCE o cualquier entorno gráfico dependan o no de systemd (algo que se podría evitar) sino que para poder realizar las operaciones básicas (montaje de llaves USB, acceso a recursos samba, gestor de conexiones de red...) todo te lleva a systemd, independientemente del entorno gráfico que uses. Y eso es así desde Jessie porque en Wheezy no pasaba y esa dependencia va a ir a más. Como ves, es algo que puede entenderse sin conocer nada de mí. En cambio tu llamas dependencia a todo lo que estimas necesario o deseable en tu sistema. No tiene nada que ver con el sistema de paquete de Debian y es imposible saber a qué te refieres con ello sin conocerte. Eso, en resumen, es la definición de subjetivo. Tiene, además, la enorme desventaja de confundir al personal. No hay nada de subjetivo en un caso real y no seré la única persona que vaya a instalar esos paquetes en testing, de eso estoy segura. De lo que sí estoy segura es de que el 95% de los usuarios que instalen Jessie con un entorno gráfico se van a llevar systemd. Mantengo todo lo dicho y abandono este hilo. Saludos, -- Camaleón Aunque yo soy un usuario normal tampoco me gusta el camino que ha tomado debian, por tal motivo lo más seguro es que instale otro sistema sin systemd. Ahora quería preguntarle a ustedes que tienen mucha más experiencia que yo. Cuan distribución ustedes me recomendarían a mi que soy un usuario normal?. Por supuesto una distribución que no use systemd. Pero que a la ves se le pueda instalar una pequeña página web y un pequeño servidor de datos. Uso Firebird + PHP Pueden recomendarme la distribución al privado para no seguir sobrecargando la lista. Desde ya Gracias | ISMAEL | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a8bdc3470b2748f5816ade4fe59ec...@natio.co.cu
Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda
El día 23 de noviembre de 2014, 11:56, Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu escribió: - Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda El Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:45:17 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El sábado, 22 nov 2014 a las 18:00 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: (...) Las opciones son las siguientes: 1. Puedes prescindir de esos paquetes: instalas xfce4 sin más. No, no puedo. 2. No puedes: instalas systemd Eso es lo que estoy diciendo, que te ves forzado a instalar systemd, sí o sí, en GNOME o en XFCE. 2.1. No quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-shim + (sysvinit-core o upstart) 2.2. Sí quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-sysv. Y no hay mayor problema. De verdad. *Para ti* obviamente no lo habrá, *para mí* lo hay porque el mismo entorno que tengo en wheezy no funciona en jessie si no paso por el aro de systemd. Vamos a ver, te respondo en global: Yo no relativizo ni me pongo como medida de nada. Cuando hablo de dependencia o recomendación me refiero única y exclusivamente a lo que el sistema de paquetes llama dependencia o recomendación (puedes ver las definiciones en https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.es.html) El sistema puede tener sus dependencias en cuanto a paquetes pero entenderás que los usuarios tengas sus propios requerimientos. Como ves el problema no es que GNOME o XFCE o cualquier entorno gráfico dependan o no de systemd (algo que se podría evitar) sino que para poder realizar las operaciones básicas (montaje de llaves USB, acceso a recursos samba, gestor de conexiones de red...) todo te lleva a systemd, independientemente del entorno gráfico que uses. Y eso es así desde Jessie porque en Wheezy no pasaba y esa dependencia va a ir a más. Como ves, es algo que puede entenderse sin conocer nada de mí. En cambio tu llamas dependencia a todo lo que estimas necesario o deseable en tu sistema. No tiene nada que ver con el sistema de paquete de Debian y es imposible saber a qué te refieres con ello sin conocerte. Eso, en resumen, es la definición de subjetivo. Tiene, además, la enorme desventaja de confundir al personal. No hay nada de subjetivo en un caso real y no seré la única persona que vaya a instalar esos paquetes en testing, de eso estoy segura. De lo que sí estoy segura es de que el 95% de los usuarios que instalen Jessie con un entorno gráfico se van a llevar systemd. Mantengo todo lo dicho y abandono este hilo. Saludos, -- Camaleón Aunque yo soy un usuario normal tampoco me gusta el camino que ha tomado debian, por tal motivo lo más seguro es que instale otro sistema sin systemd. Ahora quería preguntarle a ustedes que tienen mucha más experiencia que yo. Cuan distribución ustedes me recomendarían a mi que soy un usuario normal?. Por supuesto una distribución que no use systemd. Pero que a la ves se le pueda instalar una pequeña página web y un pequeño servidor de datos. Uso Firebird + PHP Pueden recomendarme la distribución al privado para no seguir sobrecargando la lista. Desde ya Gracias Pues yo personalmente ya estoy probando Pcbsd y Freebsd No trabajo con grandes empresas ni soy un gran experto pero me incomoda la dirección que esta tomando el proyecto. Saludos. -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caaizax7nmv8v3vhahn6oquq-3w__ajrarh8m9nr6n91du0j...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda
El nov 23, 2014 12:57 PM, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 23 de noviembre de 2014, 11:56, Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu escribió: - Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda El Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:45:17 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El sábado, 22 nov 2014 a las 18:00 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: (...) Las opciones son las siguientes: 1. Puedes prescindir de esos paquetes: instalas xfce4 sin más. No, no puedo. 2. No puedes: instalas systemd Eso es lo que estoy diciendo, que te ves forzado a instalar systemd, sí o sí, en GNOME o en XFCE. 2.1. No quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-shim + (sysvinit-core o upstart) 2.2. Sí quieres systemd como sistema de inicio: instalas systemd-sysv. Y no hay mayor problema. De verdad. *Para ti* obviamente no lo habrá, *para mí* lo hay porque el mismo entorno que tengo en wheezy no funciona en jessie si no paso por el aro de systemd. Vamos a ver, te respondo en global: Yo no relativizo ni me pongo como medida de nada. Cuando hablo de dependencia o recomendación me refiero única y exclusivamente a lo que el sistema de paquetes llama dependencia o recomendación (puedes ver las definiciones en https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.es.html) El sistema puede tener sus dependencias en cuanto a paquetes pero entenderás que los usuarios tengas sus propios requerimientos. Como ves el problema no es que GNOME o XFCE o cualquier entorno gráfico dependan o no de systemd (algo que se podría evitar) sino que para poder realizar las operaciones básicas (montaje de llaves USB, acceso a recursos samba, gestor de conexiones de red...) todo te lleva a systemd, independientemente del entorno gráfico que uses. Y eso es así desde Jessie porque en Wheezy no pasaba y esa dependencia va a ir a más. Como ves, es algo que puede entenderse sin conocer nada de mí. En cambio tu llamas dependencia a todo lo que estimas necesario o deseable en tu sistema. No tiene nada que ver con el sistema de paquete de Debian y es imposible saber a qué te refieres con ello sin conocerte. Eso, en resumen, es la definición de subjetivo. Tiene, además, la enorme desventaja de confundir al personal. No hay nada de subjetivo en un caso real y no seré la única persona que vaya a instalar esos paquetes en testing, de eso estoy segura. De lo que sí estoy segura es de que el 95% de los usuarios que instalen Jessie con un entorno gráfico se van a llevar systemd. Mantengo todo lo dicho y abandono este hilo. Saludos, -- Camaleón Aunque yo soy un usuario normal tampoco me gusta el camino que ha tomado debian, por tal motivo lo más seguro es que instale otro sistema sin systemd. Ahora quería preguntarle a ustedes que tienen mucha más experiencia que yo. Cuan distribución ustedes me recomendarían a mi que soy un usuario normal?. Por supuesto una distribución que no use systemd. Pero que a la ves se le pueda instalar una pequeña página web y un pequeño servidor de datos. Uso Firebird + PHP Pueden recomendarme la distribución al privado para no seguir sobrecargando la lista. Desde ya Gracias Pues yo personalmente ya estoy probando Pcbsd y Freebsd No trabajo con grandes empresas ni soy un gran experto pero me incomoda la dirección que esta tomando el proyecto. Saludos. -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caaizax7nmv8v3vhahn6oquq-3w__ajrarh8m9nr6n91du0j...@mail.gmail.com Yo hace bastante uso bsd pero en estaciones de trabajo y notebook, hace muy poco en servidores y dado el tema de debian con systemd, pasará que muchos van a cambiarse de sistema a alternativas que sigan trabajando con init u otro pero no con systemd. El futuro de deben desde ahora cuando la versión testing pase a stable y con systemd como control de inicio se vera muy afectado dado que muchos administradores no querrán migrar sus sistemas si no se familiarizar con systemd. Saludos.
Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda
2014-11-22 14:20 GMT+00:00 Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:37:48AM +, C. L. Martinez wrote: [...] república bananera [...] Vaya. Parece que vamos cambiando el término según el caso. ¿En qué quedamos entonces? ¿hay mandamases o no hay mandamases? Mira te voy a dar dos características, en mi opinión, que definen a ese pseudo comité técnico: a) Van de mandamases (nosotros lo podemos todo) b) Manejan a la comunidad Debian como si de una república bananera se tratase. y te añado otro: van de señoritos de un cortijo. Todo eso es lo que pienso de ese fabuloso CT de Debian, que a todas luces, es el más desastroso en la historia de Debian. Como ves, no cambio de parecer como me convenga, mantengo lo que digo. Según la constitución, podría haber habido una GR para que el sistema de inicio por defecto volviera a ser sysvinit (o upstart, o cualquier otro) pero *no* la ha habido y *nadie* ha propuesto tal cosa. Por lo tanto la decisión de usar systemd por defecto no es de ningún mandamás, es del proyecto Debian en su conjunto. Si no te gusta la constitución de Debian, siempre puedes convertirte en desarrollador y cambiarla tú mismo. Es muy fácil, solamente necesitas una mayoría de tres cuartas partes. Te deseo suerte. No pienso convertirme en desarrllador de algo para que aparezca un grupito de mandamases a hacer y deshacer. Yo ya contribuyo en varios proyectos opensource como QA tester y ayudo en el diseño de soluciones y reportando bugs (por cierto algunos de ellos están en la paqueteria de Debian). Y en esos proyectos, se escucha a la gente, incluso a los testers (no hace falta ser desarrollador). Eso ya me absorve mucho tiempo. Por eso, no voy a entrar en cambiar la idea de esos mandamases. Porque en una cosa si te voy a dar la razón: el grupo de desarrolladores de Debian está demostrando muy poca personalidad. Y no lo digo porque deban estar a favor de systemd o no. Lo digo, porque por lo menos deberían haber alzado la voz ante tanta fuga de personajes relevantes en Debian. Como mínimo podían haber dicho Hey, esto se nos va de las manos. Hagamos algo. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAEjQA5KV=5id6kapyoc1nj2v-0bqdxv3t3d35mphfb7k_vy...@mail.gmail.com
minicom y puerto /dev/ttyS0 bloqueado
Lista: Estaba haciendo unas pruebas sobre comandos AT instale bien minicom sin ningun problema. Comence a usar los comandos AT y todo bien. Y aqui viene el pero. Resulta que al usar el comando AT+IPR=? Me arrojo varios resultados para decirme que velocidades eran soportadas. Asi que despues ejecute el comando pero con la velocidad que quise (la mas veloz por supuesto). AT+IPR=57600 Y fue ahi donde la puerca torcio el rabo... (asi se dice en Mexico). A partir de ahi, al ejecutar minicom, pues ya no pude hacerlo por la sencilla razon de que escribo, pero no aparece nada en la terminal. Lei el manual del modem y nada. Asi que decidi iniciar minicom como root y ahi me arrojo el siguiente error (mas bien horror para mi). El dispositivo /dev/ttyS0 está bloqueado. Asi que inicie la busqueda en google y encontre algo similar a lo que buscaba, me dice que busque en la carpeta /var/lock y que ejecutara el comando ls y veria algo similar a LCK..ttyS0 y al ver su contenido podria ver que pid estaba ejecutando el puerto. No he encontrado ni el archivo ni nada que tenga que ver a algo semejante. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, todo bien, pero no puedo escribir ningun comando AT, por lo mismo no puedo realizar las tareas que necesito. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, entra a minicom, pero no puedo escribir. Abro otra ventana xterm y ¡vuala! si puedo escribir (hasta revise las baterias del teclado inalambrico). Alguna sugerencia?. Debinero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cam50unzupwrc2vax11ovgcdskcxh+19et9o1jtwhuhnkr2z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: minicom y puerto /dev/ttyS0 bloqueado
2014-11-23 20:54 GMT-06:00 Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com: Lista: Estaba haciendo unas pruebas sobre comandos AT instale bien minicom sin ningun problema. Comence a usar los comandos AT y todo bien. Y aqui viene el pero. Resulta que al usar el comando AT+IPR=? Me arrojo varios resultados para decirme que velocidades eran soportadas. Asi que despues ejecute el comando pero con la velocidad que quise (la mas veloz por supuesto). AT+IPR=57600 Y fue ahi donde la puerca torcio el rabo... (asi se dice en Mexico). A partir de ahi, al ejecutar minicom, pues ya no pude hacerlo por la sencilla razon de que escribo, pero no aparece nada en la terminal. Lei el manual del modem y nada. Asi que decidi iniciar minicom como root y ahi me arrojo el siguiente error (mas bien horror para mi). El dispositivo /dev/ttyS0 está bloqueado. Por alguna razon extraña, ya pude ingresar (no resolvi el problema de ninguna manera, solito se resolvio) tal vez estaba ejecutando minicom como sudoer y por eso me bloqueaba el puerto. Asi que inicie la busqueda en google y encontre algo similar a lo que buscaba, me dice que busque en la carpeta /var/lock y que ejecutara el comando ls y veria algo similar a LCK..ttyS0 y al ver su contenido podria ver que pid estaba ejecutando el puerto. No he encontrado ni el archivo ni nada que tenga que ver a algo semejante. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, todo bien, pero no puedo escribir ningun comando AT, por lo mismo no puedo realizar las tareas que necesito. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, entra a minicom, pero no puedo escribir. Abro otra ventana xterm y ¡vuala! si puedo escribir (hasta revise las baterias del teclado inalambrico). Alguna sugerencia?. Debinero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cam50unx5atycvmrwlds5vrqttasequfobneaa+ff4tu8cof...@mail.gmail.com
Re: minicom y puerto /dev/ttyS0 bloqueado
RESUELTO Vaya, estoy avanzando... ya pregunto y puedo responder a mi mismo mas rapido de lo que contestan en la lista. Tal vez con el tiempo, comience a ayudarles a resolver muchos problemas. Les explico rapidamente: Aunque no me permitia escribir nada, si me permitia ejecutar la ayuda con las teclas CTRL+A Z Entre al menu y me aparecieron varias opciones, entre ellas CONFIGURAR MINICOM (Configure Minicom) y me decia que presionara la letra O. Lo hice y aparecio otro menu y elegi la opcion... CONFIGURACION DE LA PUERTA SERIAL La ejecute y aparecio otro menu con varias opciones y elegi... E - BPS/PARIDAD/BITS Como lei el manual del modem, me decia que el modem podia trabajar a diversas velocidades que sopotaba, pero la ideal era la de 115200 8n1 y presione enter y despues enter y llegue al menu donde una opcion decia SALVAR CONFIGURACION COMO DFL (supongo que es la nativa de minicom) Posteriormente elegi la opcion... SALIR Se reinicio automaticamente el modem y ¡magia hecha realidad, pude volver a ejecutar mis comandos!. Gracias por su atencion Debianero 2014-11-23 21:00 GMT-06:00 Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com: 2014-11-23 20:54 GMT-06:00 Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com: Lista: Estaba haciendo unas pruebas sobre comandos AT instale bien minicom sin ningun problema. Comence a usar los comandos AT y todo bien. Y aqui viene el pero. Resulta que al usar el comando AT+IPR=? Me arrojo varios resultados para decirme que velocidades eran soportadas. Asi que despues ejecute el comando pero con la velocidad que quise (la mas veloz por supuesto). AT+IPR=57600 Y fue ahi donde la puerca torcio el rabo... (asi se dice en Mexico). A partir de ahi, al ejecutar minicom, pues ya no pude hacerlo por la sencilla razon de que escribo, pero no aparece nada en la terminal. Lei el manual del modem y nada. Asi que decidi iniciar minicom como root y ahi me arrojo el siguiente error (mas bien horror para mi). El dispositivo /dev/ttyS0 está bloqueado. Por alguna razon extraña, ya pude ingresar (no resolvi el problema de ninguna manera, solito se resolvio) tal vez estaba ejecutando minicom como sudoer y por eso me bloqueaba el puerto. Asi que inicie la busqueda en google y encontre algo similar a lo que buscaba, me dice que busque en la carpeta /var/lock y que ejecutara el comando ls y veria algo similar a LCK..ttyS0 y al ver su contenido podria ver que pid estaba ejecutando el puerto. No he encontrado ni el archivo ni nada que tenga que ver a algo semejante. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, todo bien, pero no puedo escribir ningun comando AT, por lo mismo no puedo realizar las tareas que necesito. Lo raro es que al ejecutar minicom como sudoer, entra a minicom, pero no puedo escribir. Abro otra ventana xterm y ¡vuala! si puedo escribir (hasta revise las baterias del teclado inalambrico). Alguna sugerencia?. Debinero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cam50unzx00-7vr9g_b0gm6pfcc_3fawzqp3+qrsf2vbzavg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Μεταφράσεις Debian
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:23:47 +0200 John Tsiombikas nucl...@member.fsf.org wrote: Giati yparxoun tosa fantastika pragmata pou mporei na kanei kapoios pano se ena programma, pou mou fainetai farsokomodia to posoi anti na katsoun na mathoun 5 pragmata apo programmatismo kai na kanoun kati endiaferon, kathontai ola ta xronia kolimenoi se oti pio aniaro mporousan na broun, kai paristanoun tin natasa syreggela. 1. Δεν θέλουν/μπορούν όλοι να γίνουν προγραμματιστές, μερικοί είναι απλώς χρήστες και δεν ξέρουν τόσο καλά αγγλικά όπως εσύ ή/και δεν τους ενδιαφέρει σε τελική. 2. Κάποιοι άνθρωποι θέλουν απλά να βοηθήσουν τους (1), εγώ πχ το έχω κάνει για πολλά χρόνια αυτό αλλά απλά κουράστηκα και επέστρεψα σε προγραμματισμό αλλά δε μετανιώνω που βοήθησα. 3. Σε τελική το τι επιλέγει ο καθένας να κάνει στον ελεύθερό του χρόνο είναι δική του υπόθεση. 4. Ποια είναι η Νατάσα Συρεγγέλα; Koinos, I aim to educate :) Θα μπορούσες απλά να το πεις έτσι από την αρχή όμως. FTR, σε σέβομαι πάρα πολύ ως προγραμματιστή και το ξέρεις πιστεύω, αλλά ειλικρινά ξεκόλα από το plain ascii, πάλιωσε, πλέον ακόμα και στο slackware μπορεί κάποιος να γράψει ελληνικά out of the box ;-P Κώστας -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-greek-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123104113.63303a730efe703f72ef0...@freevec.org
Re: Μεταφράσεις Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/11/2014 08:20 μμ, Eleni Maria St. wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:19:59 +0200 Support VisualBasic supp...@visualbasic.gr wrote: Epi tou thematos , tha mporouse kapoios na stilei stin lista (attached) arxeia pou theloun metafrasi kai opoios thelei kai mporei kai xerei na analavei ena arxeio kai na voithisei (I will) http://www.mikrosapoplous.gr/texts1.htm ἐδῶ ἔχει πολλά, μπορεῖς νὰ κατεβάσεις καὶ νὰ μεταφράσεις ὅσα θέλεις, εὐχαριστοῦμε ἐκ τῶν προτέρων οἰ φιλόλογοι. Ελένη γειά, Το θέμα που συζητάμε δεν είναι για όποια τυχαία κείμενα, αλλά για συγκεκριμένες μεταφράσεις ελληνικών που αφορούν την διανομή Debian. Φιλικά gnugr -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUcg6CAAoJEGaW2W7vxiDh71gH/2yevv4YcthvYEzhPmharXun vsBl1eBz1m1imyguGqgFgvIc8c/oYV7hLCUH0ZIJ/BkWqPEtckIKr4Co30bqLtSd nPxNeyJ4zz83OqM8byiYyC0TtB5Tw9QYsUoeASb4T5YwxSx6VWd4Eq8KLyWjus7E 3TgF5+rQq+ifDXQLXWXcpwSg6puXgA85STrNj7V81/xlmUn3nyMhOYeVZrVgKfif S8goYOn2+t7ZFQhEt5/PwzYqkLivpIUN920WhrA7aLQgIrU6pvm09wz4CEgdx7Ok dmUSJ7wN1YYRAaeDpDHx8swiT/R2Cx/KAaH5cIXMvJ+rEqZQF3/QS8c98jx2rp4= =xSlX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-greek-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54720e89.5060...@gnugr.org
Re: MALWARE Virus no Ubuntu [Alerta]
Olhando meus logs de mail e web, virou lugar comum esse tipo de ataque. Mas bastou um apt-get update; apt-get upgrade pra resolver. Se a equipe de segurança não é capaz disso, não tem nenhum procedimento que possa ajudar, pois esses exigem mais capacidade técnica e conhecimento. Helio Em 22/11/2014 21:08, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu li no google que é um tipo de ataque sim, o que fiz foi aumentar minha segurança no ubuntu. Coisas simples que eu achava sem necessidade, mas como a bendita travou a minha rede...comecei a utilizar. Minha máquina é de testes e nada tenho de importante nela, porém, vai saber quando alguém vai querer utilizar seu host de zombie para atacar terceiros. Em 16 de novembro de 2014 14:31, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu: Esse tipo de ataque não é vírus. É um ataque. Helio Loureiro -= sent by Android =- On Nov 16, 2014 5:17 PM, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com wrote: Não sei bem o motivo, o fato é que não se pode confiar 100% em antivírus para uma rede local. Sempre mantenho meu S/O atualizado, mas creio que não seja o bastante. Em 16 de novembro de 2014 09:20, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu: Se não estava atualizado, pode ter sido uma exploração de vulnerabilidade do bash (shell shock). Nos meus logs eu vejo que isso virou lugar comum. Por qualquer serviço aberto. Http, https, mail, etc. Helio Loureiro -= sent by Android =- On Nov 15, 2014 4:22 PM, Thiago Zoroastro thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br wrote: Adicionar o usuário para usar sudo no /etc/sudoers rootALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL deixo embaixo do de cima: usuarioALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL E uso sudo no Debian e Debian-baseds. Que é desabilitado por padrão. Tenho feito isso sempre desde que migrei do Ubuntu. On 15-11-2014 10:31, henrique wrote: A minha **opinião** eh que não importa a distribuição, se você alterar o padrão dela, vai dar alguma coisa errada. Veja: - Ubuntu deixa a senha de root em branco por padrão, e deixa o acesso de root habilitado no ssh por padrão. E isso é seguro. Idiota e non-sense ao meu ver, mas seguro. - Debian pede para você setar a senha de root e deixa o acesso de root desabilitado por padrão. E isso é seguro. O que não é seguro é o usuário modificar o padrão sem pensar em consequências. Por ex, habilitar a senha de root no ubuntu, ou habilitar o login de root via ssh no debian, deixa ambos os sistemas mto inseguros, caso a senha de root seja fraca. E esta combinação de fatores (senha fraca no root e acesso de root via ssh ) eh perigosa em qualquer distribuição, em qualquer sistema, seja gnewsense, trisquel, *bsd, beos, tra-la-la-systems. Os sistemas tem um bom nível de segurança por padrão - com as devidas limitações causadas pelo nosso fator humano. As catástrofes são geral e costumeiramente causadas pelo usuário aspirante a administrador, em qualquer distro, em qualquer sistema, em qualquer cenário. Abraços Henry -- *De:* Thiago Zoroastro thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br *Para:* debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org *Enviadas:* Sexta-feira, 14 de Novembro de 2014 19:20 *Assunto:* Re: MALWARE Virus no Ubuntu [Alerta] Depende é claro do tipo de usuário. LMDE é perfeito para usar sem inesperados empecilhos por conta dos formatos privativos predominantes. O mais indicado é Trisquel ou gNewSense, mas o gNewSense é uma porção mais trabalhoso que o próprio Debian. On 14-11-2014 17:05, Flavio Menezes dos Reis wrote: Por estas e por outras que prefiro o Debian. Em 14 de novembro de 2014 14:25, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com escreveu: Srs, utilizo o ubuntu e nesta semana me deparei com um problema. Minha rede estava falhando e resolvi vas culhar o meu S/O. Descobri os arquivos abaixo instalados no meu PC local : /etc/init.d/DbSecuritySpt /etc/init.d/selinux /etc/init.d/.SSH2 /etc/init.d/.SSH2 Eles geravam um daemon chamado sfewfesfs e alguns subprogramas chamados de sshdd14xxx e se conectavam com ips na china : netname: CHINANET-ZJ-HU country: CN descr: CHINANET-ZJ Huzhou node network Ainda bem que descobri a tempo, só achei estranho, meu primeiro virus de linux e, pelo que eu me lembre não instalei nada no S/O nestes ultimos dias. Bom, para quem é leigo em segurança, como eu, e quer saber como descobri essas praguinhas, eu sem nada conectado eo meu host, executei netstat -putona, vi os programas que estavam com nomes do tipo : tcp0 0 192.168.0.3:45200 ipremoto:7668 ESTABELECIDA 1592/.sshhdd14 keepalive (55,40/0/0) tcp0 0 192.168.0.3:35433 ipremoto:36665 ESTABELECIDA 18537/sfewfesfs keepalive (50,02/0/0) tcp0 0 192.168.0.3:58840 ipremoto:7168 ESTABELECIDA 13987/.sshdd14 keepalive (50,79/0/0) No meu caso, para encontra-los, nao usei a TI, mas sim a lógica, vi os ultimos
Re: [Off-Topic]Procedimentos - Invasão e/ou Malware
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 01:35:19PM +0100, Helio Loureiro wrote: Uma simples atualização dois servidores teria mitigado o problema. Se nem isso fizeram, não há segurança no mundo que se possa aplicar. Não com essa equipe. Talvez ele queira saber como escalar privilégios nesse sistema mal cuidado, afinal de contas não é da equipe responsável. O que vem primeiro o acesso root ou a inclusão na equipe? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Ubuntu 14 não mata os processos do samba
Srs, o meu samba no ubuntu 14 não está parando, acredito que algum processo o starta automaticamente mas não encontro processos de start no syslog. Evidencias : root@pc-desktop:~# service samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd status * nmbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd status * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i nmbd root 4618 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 nmbd -D root 4856 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i nmbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4636 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4638 4636 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4859 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4866 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4868 4866 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4871 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbdcasa 4860 3578 0 17:06 pts/24 00:00:00 tail -f log.smbd root 4875 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4877 4875 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4880 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbd Notem que existe a alteração do numero dos processos após o kill, o que para mim diz que os processos morreram e iniciaram. Logs : [2014/11/23 17:09:06.082014, 0] ../lib/util/pidfile.c:153(pidfile_unlink) Failed to delete pidfile /var/run/samba/smbd.pid. Error was No such file or directory [2014/11/23 17:09:06, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1198(main) smbd version 4.1.6-Ubuntu started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2013 [2014/11/23 17:09:06.102514, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1278(main) standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ls -l /var/run/samba/smbd.pid -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Nov 23 17:12 /var/run/samba/smbd.pid root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# Alguém ja reparou neste problema? -- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
Re: Ubuntu 14 não mata os processos do samba
Velho vc não acha q esta postando algo na lista errada? até aonde eu sei aqui é uma lista do debian, se quer saber de um erro especifico dessa distro poste na lista deles 2014-11-23 16:18 GMT-03:00, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com: Srs, o meu samba no ubuntu 14 não está parando, acredito que algum processo o starta automaticamente mas não encontro processos de start no syslog. Evidencias : root@pc-desktop:~# service samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd status * nmbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd status * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i nmbd root 4618 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 nmbd -D root 4856 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i nmbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4636 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4638 4636 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4859 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4866 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4868 4866 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4871 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbdcasa 4860 3578 0 17:06 pts/24 00:00:00 tail -f log.smbd root 4875 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4877 4875 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4880 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbd Notem que existe a alteração do numero dos processos após o kill, o que para mim diz que os processos morreram e iniciaram. Logs : [2014/11/23 17:09:06.082014, 0] ../lib/util/pidfile.c:153(pidfile_unlink) Failed to delete pidfile /var/run/samba/smbd.pid. Error was No such file or directory [2014/11/23 17:09:06, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1198(main) smbd version 4.1.6-Ubuntu started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2013 [2014/11/23 17:09:06.102514, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1278(main) standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ls -l /var/run/samba/smbd.pid -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Nov 23 17:12 /var/run/samba/smbd.pid root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# Alguém ja reparou neste problema? -- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACnf0pgF4t9sK_T=jv4=3Xrx6qMkUg_DeYGxk1BFVZLci=X=3...@mail.gmail.com
Implementando um servidor de domínio com o poderoso Samba4
Senhores, Já tem um certo tempo que eu não posto nada aqui, mas devido a minha labuta para implementar um servidor de domínio de maneira funcional, resolvi escrever esse artigo para documentar os procedimentos realizados e também para ajudar os colegas que tiverem essa mesma necessidade. Segue o link: http://migre.me/n4JTk Espero colaborar com a comunidade! Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724b2f.4030...@linuxadmin.com.br
Re: Ubuntu 14 não mata os processos do samba
Acho que tem razão. 2014-11-23 18:34 GMT-02:00 P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com: Velho vc não acha q esta postando algo na lista errada? até aonde eu sei aqui é uma lista do debian, se quer saber de um erro especifico dessa distro poste na lista deles 2014-11-23 16:18 GMT-03:00, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com: Srs, o meu samba no ubuntu 14 não está parando, acredito que algum processo o starta automaticamente mas não encontro processos de start no syslog. Evidencias : root@pc-desktop:~# service samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/samba status * nmbd is running * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/nmbd status * nmbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd stop root@pc-desktop:~# /etc/init.d/smbd status * smbd is running root@pc-desktop:~# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i nmbd root 4618 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 nmbd -D root 4856 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i nmbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4636 1 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4638 4636 0 16:54 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4859 22042 0 17:05 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ps -ef |grep -i smbd root 4866 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4868 4866 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4871 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbdcasa 4860 3578 0 17:06 pts/24 00:00:00 tail -f log.smbd root 4875 1 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4877 4875 0 17:06 ?00:00:00 smbd -F root 4880 22042 0 17:06 pts/10 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i smbd root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# killall smbd Notem que existe a alteração do numero dos processos após o kill, o que para mim diz que os processos morreram e iniciaram. Logs : [2014/11/23 17:09:06.082014, 0] ../lib/util/pidfile.c:153(pidfile_unlink) Failed to delete pidfile /var/run/samba/smbd.pid. Error was No such file or directory [2014/11/23 17:09:06, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1198(main) smbd version 4.1.6-Ubuntu started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2013 [2014/11/23 17:09:06.102514, 0] ../source3/smbd/server.c:1278(main) standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# ls -l /var/run/samba/smbd.pid -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Nov 23 17:12 /var/run/samba/smbd.pid root@pc-desktop:/var/run/samba# Alguém ja reparou neste problema? -- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacnf0pgf4t9sk_tjv43xrx6qmkug_deygxk1bfvzlci...@mail.gmail.com -- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
Re: [Off-Topic]Procedimentos - Invasão e/ou Malware
Muito obrigado pela contribuição de todos, particularmente ao Rodrigo Cunha e ao André. É isso mesmo que queria saber, algumas coisas que eu poderia analisar. Eu não vou mexer nessas máquinas pois não tenho acesso mas é para eu saber o que poderia ser feito após um incidente. Manter o sistema atualizado é básico mas nesse caso não ocorreu, por isso pedi orientação dos colegas. Obrigado a todos. Em 23/11/2014 13:35, Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 01:35:19PM +0100, Helio Loureiro wrote: Uma simples atualização dois servidores teria mitigado o problema. Se nem isso fizeram, não há segurança no mundo que se possa aplicar. Não com essa equipe. Talvez ele queira saber como escalar privilégios nesse sistema mal cuidado, afinal de contas não é da equipe responsável. O que vem primeiro o acesso root ou a inclusão na equipe?
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside
working all day (almost beer o'clock)
On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote:
On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 23/11/14 09:50, Marc Shapiro wrote:
My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be
able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy.
snipped
BUS==scsi, ATTRS{idVendor}==05ac, ATTRS{idProduct}==12aa,
ATTRS{serial}==ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9,
NAME{all_partitions}=ipod, GROUP=plugdev
Should be BUS==usb
Also, MODE=0660
Note that you:-
;only need to supply enough rules to match the device (minimum of 2 from
memory) I'd suggest you use BUS and ATTRS{serial}.
;you haven't mentioned what you want to do with the device i.e. mount
it somewhere - or who should do that. Please let me know what you want
to do (I don't know anything about gtkpod requirements)
Example only - this will work - but should be modified to suit your
requirement (please read further down):-
ATTRS{serial}==ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9,
ATTRS{manufacturer}==Apple Inc., ATTRS{product}==iPod,
KERNEL==sd?1, SYMLINK+=ipod, GROUP=plugdev, MODE=0660
Did you try the above? If so, what results?
I then tried connecting the device again. Still nothing. I rebooted
with the device attached. Nothing.
Apologies - I'm rushed today and don't have time to check my notes. Try:-
udevadm control --reload-rules
Did you try this after applying the example rule three paragraphs up?
snipped
You mention two devices - in which case I'd:-
;suggest you turn on udev debugging (as root udevadm control
--log-priority=debug)
Sorry - did you apply the above, and if so - what do the logs show?
(please post any relevant information for all to reference.).
For now, I'm just trying to get my daughter's iPod connected. My wife
says that she is only interested in getting photos and video off and I
should be able to do that with shotwell. Shotwell works with unmounted
devices and detects and accesses my daughter's iPod just fine, so will
probably work with my wife's iPad Mini, as well.
;*post* the output of udevadm info[*1] for both IPod devices) to
paste.debian.net and include a link in your reply.
[*1] see the Ref below for an expansion on what I mean by that.
The first thing that post says to do is to get the device node. That is
my problem. I do not have a device node for the iPod (see the output
from dmesg and my comments, above).
It's possible that a fusefs has grabbed the device... I have little
experience with Apple devices so this is a learning curve for me to. I'm
guessing you run GNOME - something else I have (very) little experience
with.
Please try unplugging the device, them, while running as root, udevadm
monitor --property and posting the results from plugging the Apple
device back in (if any).
I tried the grep on
/var/log/messages, as the post suggested, but it did not provide a
device node. It gave pretty much the same as the dmesg output that I
posted above:
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.557084] usb 4-4.4: USB
disconnect, device number 8
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.789452] usb 4-4.4: new high-speed
USB device number 9 using ehci-pci
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885203] usb 4-4.4: New USB device
found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=12aa
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885213] usb 4-4.4: New USB device
strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885218] usb 4-4.4: Product: iPod
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885222] usb 4-4.4: Manufacturer:
Apple Inc.
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885226] usb 4-4.4: SerialNumber:
ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote mtp-probe: checking bus 4, device 9:
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:16.2/usb4/4-4/4-4.4
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote mtp-probe: bus: 4, device: 9 was not an MTP device
Thanks. (do test the rule I posted - it 'should' work based on that
handy dmesg snip).
It did not continue with any of the other lines such as you show and
most specifically, does not provide a device node.
OK. Again, thanks for the useful information (your efforts are much
appreciated as I don't have the devices to analyse).
I had already looked
in /dev/disk/by-path, but there is nothing there. If I had a device
node then I would not have posted the question, since I would have been
able to mount the device and use gtkpod. My problem is the *lack* of a
device node.
Let's see what the use of the rule I posted, the logs, and the output of
udevadm monitor --property show. What you desire *is* possible, just
difficult as I don't have the device, and your system, on hand to test.
Your patience is greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
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Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/11/2014 11:14 AM, John Hasler wrote: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: But they are anathema to the We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile crowd. And then there is the Systemd is the Borg! Kill! Kill! crowd who jump into every mention of Systemd to piss and moan about the other crowd, which then retaliates. While I can and will killfile you others evidently can't or won't and so every attempt at a rational discussion of anything Systemd related gets disrupted. I don't care for Systemd but I am going to have to live with it and so I want to hear about it's bugs, misfeatures, and workarounds. I do *not* want to hear about your conspiracy theories nor do I want to hear any more sneering ridicule of anyone who questions Systemd. Both crowds should just STFU. You are doing nothing but antagonizing people. Not to mention the fact that the list is NOT seeing the breadth of the problems with systemd -- the views of the not so few are being squashed time and time again with post moderation. You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list ... and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a small limited number of people. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRxlawACgkQqBZry7fv4vsH2QD+N4fJ0Y4RMs9isqOvTuryBT3d w9h8jLd2/voVqPd4DMIA/3vQ7TZpP4iqOUj8kFC+eJrMQ70/1tyPM3ztYJ38IzMp =NrPA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547195ad.1010...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:45:38 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Gary Dale a écrit : Have you considered getting a USB case for your new drive and doing dd from your current drive to the new one? Afterward you can install the new drive then boot from gparted/rescue disk and resize your partitions. If the original disk already uses LVM, no need to resize partitions. Just create another PV in the extra space. dd-ing the whole drive would lead to the extra space being after all four partitions. Unfortunately, it's the second partition that contains the LVM stuff. So what ? LVM does not care about the locations of the PVs. I'd end up having to move partitions 3 and 4 to the end of the disk to get the space int partition 2 where it's needed. Huh ? Why the hell would you need to move partitions ? There are two situations : a) You need the extra space only to extend LVs. Then you create a new partition in the extra space, define it as a PV (pvcreate), use it to extend the existing VG (vgextend) and extend your LVs as needed (lvextend or lvresize). All this can be done online while the system is running. If the LVs contain ext2/3/4 filesystems, the filesystems can be extended online to the new LV size with resize2fs. b) You need to extend non-LVM partitions. Only then you have to resize and possibly move partitions. I have no idea whether Windows cares about whether the hidden and the EFI partitions re actually partitions 3 and 4. Anyway, you do not need to change the partition numbers. Moving a partition does not mean changing its number. But dding the start of the disk, enough to copy the entire windows partition and the stuff before the first one might be a good idea. Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. And it;s the space before the first partition which is likely to contain the crucial boot information that Windows might want. That ans the EFI partition, of course. So your system boots from UEFI. This make things a bit different. 1) UEFI booting does not require the MBR and blocklist kludge used for BIOS booting. The UEFI booloaders are just regular files in the EFI system partition. So you could just create partitions on the new disk and copy the files (you may have to update some UUIDs where needed), or the raw partitions using dd. 2) If Windows boots from UEFI, I suppose that the original disk partition table is in the GPT format. This format stores two copies of the GPT header, one at the beginning (primary header) and one at the end of the disk (secondary header). Each header has a pointer to the other, so in a way the primary header has a reference to the end of the disk where the secondary header is located. So, if you use dd to copy the whole disk, the secondary header will not be at the end of the new disk. Maybe tools such as gdisk can fix this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54719ca2.1010...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 23/11/14 19:07, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 23/11/2014 11:14 AM, John Hasler wrote: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: But they are anathema to the We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile crowd. And then there is the Systemd is the Borg! Kill! Kill! crowd who jump into every mention of Systemd to piss and moan about the other crowd, which then retaliates. While I can and will killfile you others evidently can't or won't and so every attempt at a rational discussion of anything Systemd related gets disrupted. I don't care for Systemd but I am going to have to live with it and so I want to hear about it's bugs, misfeatures, and workarounds. I do *not* want to hear about your conspiracy theories nor do I want to hear any more sneering ridicule of anyone who questions Systemd. Both crowds should just STFU. You are doing nothing but antagonizing people. Well said John, and thanks (for the record, I'm *not* pro-systemd, nor anti - just keeping my mind carefully open, as I did with the introduction of devfs and udev). Not to mention the fact that the list is NOT seeing the breadth of the problems with systemd -- the views of the not so few are being squashed time and time again with post moderation. You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list ... and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a small limited number of people. A. How many people subscribe to this list? How many people follow the various reposting of this list? While there may be a large number of people who have problems with systemd, many of which are Debian Users - most of them are polite, and present their objections/queries in a rational manner (you would do well to learn from them). May I respectfully suggest that context is everything - only a very small number of people*[*1]*, like yourself, make persistent, bullying, vague claims about problems with systemd - while continually ignoring that it is *not* forced on them. To suggest that you represent the silent majority is the height of arrogance (and delusion?) - don't you think. Likewise the belief that anyone who patiently tries to help you solve the problems you continually refuse to *define* and *substantiate* as fanbois or part of a conspiracy - does little to give credulence to your claims. It does nothing gain you respect, divides the community upon which *you* feed, and drowns out the legitimate concerns of others due to your incessant bad behaviour. Your behaviour, not surprisingly, irritates and offends users in general - to which you then claim is evidence of persecution. There's a term for that - a classification even. If you want fair hearing be respectful and intelligent - resorting the hyberbole implies that your argument is short on facts. List your *specific* problems with systemd and put them up *once* for people to read and reply to. Twice implies lack of forethought, three times implies? And you've ranted[*2 how many times? Likewise your *half-dozen* similarly behaved Veteran Unix Administrators. There are many who have concerns about systemd - you and your behaviour do not represent them. This is a community of users - most who don't code or package, some of which make a contribution in terms of reportbug. Those that code and package make a commitment (it's an eggs and bacon thing if you need an analogy). Developers and packages would not cease to exist if user did, the opposite is the opposite. Clearly you haven't considered that - please do. [*1]https://lwn.net/Articles/620441/ [*2]] a term I apply *after* continually, and exhaustively, assuming best intentions on your part. Time I could have spent trying to help people with non-organic problems. Kind regards (sincerely - try and embrace the difference instead of trying to destroy those things 'you' don't want). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471a07b.1040...@gmail.com
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:50:43 -0800 Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Marc, My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an See the following; https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone#endConfigTwo I know that says iphone, but it applies to ipods, too. Good luck: You'll need it. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous Ugly - The Stranglers pgp7ho5wpPqio.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 2014-11-22, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: What next? Shall we debate gravity or other pointless exercises[*1] (unless the Debian User list has become a school for aspiring sophists)? I've always been against gravity and am amazed it ever got off the ground. Who's Sophie? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm73g9v.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
Pascal Hambourg a écrit : Hendrik Boom a écrit : Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. 2) If Windows boots from UEFI, I suppose that the original disk partition table is in the GPT format. This format stores two copies of the GPT header, one at the beginning (primary header) and one at the end of the disk (secondary header). Each header has a pointer to the other, so in a way the primary header has a reference to the end of the disk where the secondary header is located. So, if you use dd to copy the whole disk, the secondary header will not be at the end of the new disk. Maybe tools such as gdisk can fix this. Looking more carefully, there is more than just the address of the secondary GPT header. The GPT header contains also the last usable address for partitions which is near the end of the disk, just before the secondary partition table. Also, the protective MBR contains a GPT partition of the size of the disk - up to 2 TiB due to limitations of the MBR partition table format. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table However, parted will detect that the disk is bigger than the partition table reports and ask to fix it. gdisk allows to fix it too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471c191.8050...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 23/11/14 22:13, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-22, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: What next? Shall we debate gravity or other pointless exercises[*1] (unless the Debian User list has become a school for aspiring sophists)? I've always been against gravity and am amazed it ever got off the ground. I debate that! This is one of many problems with the human constitution. Do you understand the Constitution? No one does - am I right or am I right? I'm right (you're left - you pinko, orangey. Don't take that the wrong way...) Constitution is a woody word. So is Defenestration. Denialists say that causation is not consumption - but I say where's the evidence?. [Obscure Wheezy pun] Who's Sophie? My *server* has always worked just fine without her, and lot's of people say she works for the NSE. I've heard she abuses small animals - but it all fairness I wanna extend the opportunity for her to provide conclusive evidence that it ain't so. Note: We sent a letter to Sophie (I asked my secretary to write one as I speak - indicated by head nod) - but she hasn't responded. Make of *that* what you will (you social progressive type would - tell me I'm not wrong) Makes sense to me, let's ask an average salt of the earth[*1] reader [returning you now to the regular Debian User list] [*1 mmmhmm Salted earth - good thingy. Your sensationally, Glenn Beck (channelling Duane Gish via Shirley McLaine) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471cc25.2080...@gmail.com
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Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:14:25 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Pascal Hambourg a écrit : Hendrik Boom a écrit : Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. 2) If Windows boots from UEFI, I suppose that the original disk partition table is in the GPT format. This format stores two copies of the GPT header, one at the beginning (primary header) and one at the end of the disk (secondary header). Each header has a pointer to the other, so in a way the primary header has a reference to the end of the disk where the secondary header is located. So, if you use dd to copy the whole disk, the secondary header will not be at the end of the new disk. Maybe tools such as gdisk can fix this. Looking more carefully, there is more than just the address of the secondary GPT header. The GPT header contains also the last usable address for partitions which is near the end of the disk, just before the secondary partition table. Also, the protective MBR contains a GPT partition of the size of the disk - up to 2 TiB due to limitations of the MBR partition table format. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table However, parted will detect that the disk is bigger than the partition table reports and ask to fix it. gdisk allows to fix it too. The laptop now uses MBR partitions. Since the new drive is only 2T, I don't expect to need GPT. Thanks for the details, though I won't need to worry about these until my *next* hard disk enlargement. And ... will Windows XP know what to do with GPT? But maybe by then I will have successfully left Windows, even for the very last commercial applications. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4sjl5$10c$1...@ger.gmane.org
Bugs
Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywhere. They also at my brother, on my.harddrive from laptop. Im cannot dl whats app or call because of them. And really it was just i wanne to learn and no more Windows os. I had kali and pinguy, and i prefer to both reinstall. But at this moment i go offline. I got allready 3 mad people from google mail
Re: Bugs
The make loopbacks or somthing. I plugged router in now. Mij laptop i do not because i thing they also go to all my contacts . I uninstalled everything Op 23 nov. 2014 13:37 schreef Chris Help helpmescripsareeverywh...@gmail.com het volgende: Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywhere. They also at my brother, on my.harddrive from laptop. Im cannot dl whats app or call because of them. And really it was just i wanne to learn and no more Windows os. I had kali and pinguy, and i prefer to both reinstall. But at this moment i go offline. I got allready 3 mad people from google mail
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/11/2014 7:53 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: How many people subscribe to this list? How many people follow the various reposting of this list? Sorry Scott, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The assumptions you are making are ridiculous. I've given many good reasons why I don't support systemd and none of them need me to do anything that /supports/ systemd, such as using it. I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so hard to understand? It's not about conspiracy, it's not about a lot of things that you assume. Please, if you don't understand my position, then read all my posts on the matter -- if you don't want to read all my posts, then stop making false assumptions and accusations. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRx2rYACgkQqBZry7fv4vsP4AD/ej8zebpgKate+kDgp/p49ph2 N8xQAsyZZrNhXlKzpGUA/RmlhaCluUe33E/onyKwHhCIMBkSNqIkEnAgasy62T6K =skYr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471dab8.1090...@affinityvision.com.au
[solved] Re: virtmanager not connecting to server
On 23/11/14 02:29 AM, Reco wrote:
On 22/11/14 06:06 PM, Reco wrote:
Changes the error:
Unable to connect to libvirt.
Cannot recv data: Host key verification failed.: Connection reset by peer
Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running on the remote host.
Details:
ibvirt URI is: qemu+ssh://garydale@TheLibrarian/system
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/connection.py, line 1020, in
_open_thread
self._backend.open(self._do_creds_password)
File /usr/share/virt-manager/virtinst/connection.py, line 158, in open
open_flags)
File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/libvirt.py, line 105, in openAuth
if ret is None:raise libvirtError('virConnectOpenAuth() failed')
libvirtError: Cannot recv data: Host key verification failed.: Connection reset
by peer
Wait.
Why does it say 'Host key verification failed'? What's the result of
ssh garydale@TheLibrarian
Reco
Interesting. When I ssh to TheLibrarian from my garydale account, I get
a clean connection but when I did it as you suggested, I got this:
The authenticity of host 'thelibrarian (192.168.1.14)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is 9e:e3:f5:04:b4:55:c5:36:ad:e3:e7:44:42:92:0d:08.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
After answering yes, it connected. Now I am able to connect using
virt-manager.
Thanks!
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Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:29:20PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have a laptop (an old Asus EEEPC), and I need to replace its only disk drive with a larger one. The hardware aspects are easy -- keep static electricity away and use a screwdriver. I have the new drive on my desk already. And it's not hard to copy the file systems, either. I can temporarily access the new drive using a USB adaptor. fdisk and the lvm utilities will create the new partitions and then I copy, using dd or rsync or tar/ untar or even cp --archive. Perhaps a recursive checksum script afterward just in case. It's currently a dual boot between Debian Jessie and Windows XP. I can copy the Windows partition using ntfs-3g. Or maybe dd if that fails. Windows XP comes with the usual C: drive (/dev/sda1), a hidden Windows partition (/dev/sda3), and en EFI paritition (/dev/sda4). All of Linux hides out in the so-called extended partition (/dev/sda2). I have no idea what Windows does with the space at the start of the drive before he first partition. Presumably grub messes with this space, too. But I'm concerned about installing the bootloader. I presumably have to do this before I actually swap drives, or the machine won't boot. Currently I'm using grub-legacy to boot. Actually, grub2. Presumably I'll want the configuration file in the new system to be pretty well the same as the old, but there may have to be changes. And when I'm installing the boot loader it's got to set everything up to refer to the new disk drive even though when that gets used it will be in a different electronic location on the machine. (it'll be /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb) If you use UUIDs instead of /dev/sd??, you avoid the issue of locations changing. If the new /dev/sda drive has GRUB in the MBR, I believe you should be able to boot from the command line in any case. Grub can boot Windows just fine. regards, Joel So I create partitions, copy all the files, edit my grub--config to add stanzas just like the existing ones but with the new UUIDs (possibly changing menu entries by adding 'old' or 'new'), copy *it* to to the new drive too, and then grub-install /dev/sdb or whatever the new drive happens to be at the moment. If necessary (thought from what you say it probably won't be), repeat this after the new drive has been properly installed in the machine so it can still find Windows. And there shouldn't be any show-stopping gotchas. Just minor ones from miscopying UUIDs and the like. Normal debugging. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4snt2$jbg$1...@ger.gmane.org
enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
To any listmasters that might be paying attention. Perhaps it's time to establish policy that meta-meta-discussions about what's on-topic and what's not, are themselves off-topic, and grounds for moderation? All of the wrangling, degenerating into name calling, conspiracy theories, and profanity seems to be eating up far, far more bandwidth than any of the topics that are being discussed (it seems like a mention of systemd - be it a pro statement, an anti statement, a complaint about the TC decision, or even a legitimate bug report or support question, leads to dozens of that's offtopic and no it's not exchanges). Lots of noise, not at all productive, maybe it's time for someone to put their foot down? Respectfully, Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471e6b7.6060...@meetinghouse.net
Re: ntpd confusion
Am 22.11.2014 um 22:01 schrieb Erwan David: Le 22/11/2014 21:57, mad a écrit : Hi! I'm stumped. On my home network all my Debian installations _only_ use the router as clock source. # ntpq -p remote refidst t when poll reach delay offset jitter fritz.box X.Y.Z.A 3 u- 6411.8740.153 0.052 I use the default ntp configuration and other Debian installations directly on the internet use all four clock sources (0.debian.pool, 1.debian.pool...). Why is that? It seems to have something to do with IPv4 and IPv6. If I start ntpd with '-4 -n' ntpq exists with 'Connection refused'. If I start it with '-6 -n' ntpq says 'No association ID's returned'. I'm thoroughly confused. Does anyone knows what's happening? TIA mad Does your router announce itself as ntp server in the dhcp answer ? No, at least that is what I read from the answer (removed several lines): # dhcpdump -i eth0 IP: A.B.C.25 A.B.C.1 OP: 1 (BOOTPREQUEST) HTYPE: 1 (Ethernet) HLEN: 6 HOPS: 0 XID: 4cf07154 SECS: 0 FLAGS: 0 CIADDR: 0.0.0.0 YIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SIADDR: 0.0.0.0 GIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SNAME: . FNAME: . OPTION: 53 ( 1) DHCP message type 3 (DHCPREQUEST) OPTION: 50 ( 4) Request IP address0.0.0.0 --- TIME: 2014-11-23 15:33:49.014 IP: A.B.C.1 255.255.255.255 OP: 2 (BOOTPREPLY) HTYPE: 1 (Ethernet) HLEN: 6 HOPS: 0 XID: 4cf07154 SECS: 0 FLAGS: 7f80 CIADDR: 0.0.0.0 YIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SIADDR: A.B.C.1 GIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SNAME: . FNAME: . OPTION: 53 ( 1) DHCP message type 6 (DHCPNAK) --- TIME: 2014-11-23 15:33:49.014 IP: A.B.C.25 A.B.C.1 OP: 1 (BOOTPREQUEST) HTYPE: 1 (Ethernet) HLEN: 6 HOPS: 0 XID: 4cf07154 SECS: 0 FLAGS: 0 CIADDR: 0.0.0.0 YIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SIADDR: 0.0.0.0 GIADDR: 0.0.0.0 SNAME: . FNAME: . OPTION: 53 ( 1) DHCP message type 7 (DHCPRELEASE) --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5471f19d.4010...@sharktooth.de
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:01:44AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so hard to understand? Loud and clear - So DON'T INSTALL it then! You're ranting because of philisophical differences, and that my friend isn't for -user. You want the advocacy channel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123155123.GA10514@stephen-desktop
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error This works: curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br I get this: tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123162023.GC12221@tal
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:20:23 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error This works: curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br I get this: tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure If Wheezy goes LTS too, I'll probably remain using it for as long as I can. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547209ef.6000...@gmail.com
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: This works: curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br I get this: tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure Ditto. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm742h6.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:47:51PM +0100, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was developers will work it out themselves i.e. Debian won. Another reading being The Developpers won, Debian lost... Only reads that way if you have trouble reading - or simple refuse to acknowledge the view of Debian. The Constitution might need to be rewritten, to support your POW. While Debian always have been a meritocracy, the constitution have its load of weasel words, that implies the opposite. weasel words ?? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123161652.GB12221@tal
Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm743ct.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
Andrew McGlashan writes: I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so hard to understand? What's hard to understand is why I should give a damn. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87ppcd6fen@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: weasel words ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm7439d.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
Andrew McGlashan writes: You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? ...and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a small limited number of people. What makes you think I believe that? I *still* do not want to see your emotional rants here (nor those of your opponents). Are you unaware of the fact that many people support Systemd solely because they have decided that all the opponents are raving lunatics? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhn16f5z@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 16:24:06 + (UTC), Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: This works: curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br I get this: tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure Ditto. They must have changed the server configuration all today, because yesterday it worked, and so I implemented the shell script. But today the script would not work, and then I got the same errors you both have mentioned... Teresa e Junior -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54721724.1040...@gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On 11/22/2014 10:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 10 nov 14, 18:20:37, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential problems that might result from later uninstallation all the dependencies that systemd brings in with it. Please be specific. What problems of of dependencies are you talking about? Objection: relevancy. Overruled :p Exception. You made a claim that installing systemd would pull in other packages vie dependencies, that are later difficult to remove. Incorrect. I never made that claim. Methinks you have me confused with Miles. Al I ever claimed was that the one - 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54721803.7070...@libertytrek.org
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On 2014-11-23, Teresa e Junior teresaejun...@gmail.com wrote: They must have changed the server configuration all today, because yesterday it worked, and so I implemented the shell script. But today the script would not work, and then I got the same errors you both have mentioned... And with the 'L' flag, it doesn't work for you either? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm746dq.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrew McGlashan writes: You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? ...and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a small limited number of people. What makes you think I believe that? I *still* do not want to see your emotional rants here (nor those of your opponents). Are you unaware of the fact that many people support Systemd solely because they have decided that all the opponents are raving lunatics? Anyone who has done that instead of making decisions on technical grounds deserves what he/she gets. What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5472168c.9080...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository
Hallo, * Joel Roth [Thu, Nov 20 2014, 10:05:08PM]: pkgcache.apt pkgcache.bin restore sources.list sources.list.destdir srcpkgcache.bin Hi Andrei, Are you sure these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from the 'apt' source package. Anyway: Yes, they are. I'm curious at which step they get generated. Have a look at the timestamps which might provide a clue. I cannot see any integration tests or similar activity config in the packaging so it's hard to explain. Also make sure you have checked out the right branch, see debian/gbp.conf for details. Regards, Eduard. -- wurst-griller hallo ich möchte eine datei mit unrar entpacken, ich verwende dazu den befehl unrar -e *.rar, es kommt jedoch immer nur die liste der optionen? youam wurst-griller: dann kannst du wohl nicht lesen youam haeufige fehlerursache... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123173344.ga27...@rotes76.wohnheim.uni-kl.de
Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:30:34 + (UTC), Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Teresa e Junior teresaejun...@gmail.com wrote: They must have changed the server configuration all today, because yesterday it worked, and so I implemented the shell script. But today the script would not work, and then I got the same errors you both have mentioned... And with the 'L' flag, it doesn't work for you either? Today the ciphers AES128-SHA, AES128-SHA256, AES256-SHA, and AES256-SHA256 work. I don't know if this is something they change at will, and so I'm not sure how I should implement this in a shell script, but I'm doing it this way: $ curl --ciphers 'DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA AES128-SHA AES128-SHA256 AES256-SHA AES256-SHA256' https://www.basebit.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54721bd6.8040...@gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equivalent, yes. Identical, probably no. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411231743.43778.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 2014-11-22, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an iPad Mini and it would be nice to be able to maintain that from the linux box, as well. I have googled. I have upgraded to the latest kernel from Backports (3.16). I have installed libimobiledevice-utils. I have done everything I can think of. You have GVFS = 1.5.1 installed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm747dd.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside
working all day (almost beer o'clock)
On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote:
On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 23/11/14 09:50, Marc Shapiro wrote:
My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be
able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy.
snipped
BUS==scsi, ATTRS{idVendor}==05ac, ATTRS{idProduct}==12aa,
ATTRS{serial}==ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9,
NAME{all_partitions}=ipod, GROUP=plugdev
Should be BUS==usb
Also, MODE=0660
Note that you:-
;only need to supply enough rules to match the device (minimum of 2 from
memory) I'd suggest you use BUS and ATTRS{serial}.
;you haven't mentioned what you want to do with the device i.e. mount
it somewhere - or who should do that. Please let me know what you want
to do (I don't know anything about gtkpod requirements)
Example only - this will work - but should be modified to suit your
requirement (please read further down):-
ATTRS{serial}==ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9,
ATTRS{manufacturer}==Apple Inc., ATTRS{product}==iPod,
KERNEL==sd?1, SYMLINK+=ipod, GROUP=plugdev, MODE=0660
Did you try the above? If so, what results?
Apologies - I'm rushed today and don't have time to check my notes. Try:-
udevadm control --reload-rules
Did you try this after applying the example rule three paragraphs up?
Yes. I put in the rule above and then ran the above command to reload
the rule. Still no device node.
snipped
You mention two devices - in which case I'd:-
;suggest you turn on udev debugging (as root udevadm control
--log-priority=debug)
Sorry - did you apply the above, and if so - what do the logs show?
(please post any relevant information for all to reference.).
Yes, I did. What log should I be looking in and what should I be
looking for?
I apologize for not making it clear that I had tried all of these
suggestions.
The first thing that post says to do is to get the device node. That is
my problem. I do not have a device node for the iPod (see the output
from dmesg and my comments, above).
It's possible that a fusefs has grabbed the device... I have little
experience with Apple devices so this is a learning curve for me to. I'm
guessing you run GNOME - something else I have (very) little experience
with.
I am using Mate. I do not like the Gnome 3 paradigm.
Please try unplugging the device, them, while running as root, udevadm
monitor --property and posting the results from plugging the Apple
device back in (if any).
My daughter has the iPod with her at the moment, so it will be this
evening before I can test anything that requires having the device on hand.
I tried the grep on
/var/log/messages, as the post suggested, but it did not provide a
device node. It gave pretty much the same as the dmesg output that I
posted above:
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.557084] usb 4-4.4: USB
disconnect, device number 8
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.789452] usb 4-4.4: new high-speed
USB device number 9 using ehci-pci
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885203] usb 4-4.4: New USB device
found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=12aa
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885213] usb 4-4.4: New USB device
strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885218] usb 4-4.4: Product: iPod
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885222] usb 4-4.4: Manufacturer:
Apple Inc.
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote kernel: [11593.885226] usb 4-4.4: SerialNumber:
ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote mtp-probe: checking bus 4, device 9:
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:16.2/usb4/4-4/4-4.4
Nov 22 17:39:18 quixote mtp-probe: bus: 4, device: 9 was not an MTP device
Thanks. (do test the rule I posted - it 'should' work based on that
handy dmesg snip).
It did not continue with any of the other lines such as you show and
most specifically, does not provide a device node.
OK. Again, thanks for the useful information (your efforts are much
appreciated as I don't have the devices to analyse).
I had already looked
in /dev/disk/by-path, but there is nothing there. If I had a device
node then I would not have posted the question, since I would have been
able to mount the device and use gtkpod. My problem is the *lack* of a
device node.
Let's see what the use of the rule I posted, the logs, and the output of
udevadm monitor --property show. What you desire *is* possible, just
difficult as I don't have the device, and your system, on hand to test.
Your patience is greatly appreciated.
As is yours.
I will try the udevadm monitor --property command once I have the
device available again.
Marc
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Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 11/23/2014 09:47 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-22, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an iPad Mini and it would be nice to be able to maintain that from the linux box, as well. I have googled. I have upgraded to the latest kernel from Backports (3.16). I have installed libimobiledevice-utils. I have done everything I can think of. You have GVFS = 1.5.1 installed? Yes. I have gvfs 1.12.3-4 installed, as well as gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 and fuse 2.9.0-2+deb7u1. Does this help, or hurt? Those were installed to access my phone. Scott has suggested that the iPod might be getting grabbed by a fusefs. Does this make sense, and, if so, what can I do about it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547223bc.3040...@gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:23:15, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/22/2014 10:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: You made a claim that installing systemd would pull in other packages vie dependencies, that are later difficult to remove. Incorrect. I never made that claim. Methinks you have me confused with Miles. Apologies, it was indeed Miles. Al I ever claimed was that the one - 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. Would you please be so kind to point out what is different? A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is generally considered a bug in Debian, severity depending on the impact, of course. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 22:05:08, Joel Roth wrote: Are you sure these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from the 'apt' source package. Anyway: Yes, they are. I'm curious at which step they get generated. Me too. Care to explain step by step what you did? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equivalent, yes. Identical, probably no. sigh Ignorance reigns supreme. Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They can result in the same set of files being installed - but that does not and never will be 'euiqvalent'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5472272b.2030...@libertytrek.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:17:00, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. I agree that they are the majority. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Well, I will assert that those users also don't customize their systems in ways that would matter for the Wheezy - Jessie upgrade switch to systemd[1]. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. As with any major transition. And your point is? [1] assuming this will happen, as it's still not decided yet. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface
Hello Forum, is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface ? Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547229ad.7090...@rezozer.net
Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
On 24/11/2014, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? I think that, in one of the sciences, was a L'Hopital's Rule, but, do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rule. Otherwise, I wonder whether the above, has something to do with mosques and charities and hospitals? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8m4osczy1djni7tiqucavorlv2_on97onqhnxxppzf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 13:27:55 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equivalent, yes. Identical, probably no. sigh Ignorance reigns supreme. Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They can result in the same set of files being installed - but that does not and never will be 'euiqvalent'. Earlier in this thread we had https://lists.debian.org/2014180749.7e240...@fornost.bigon.be The claim there is that the two processes are *functionally* the same; different routes are taken but the same end result is achieved. In an attempt at injecting some software neutrality into this discussion let's consider netcat-traditional, which d-i automatically installs. Some people prefer netcat-openbsd so they preseed its installation. In what way is a system *functionally* different from one which d-i gave netcat-openbsd automatically. It would be nice if you regarded the word functionally as an essential qualification of equivalent or identical and not dismiss it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123190921.gu3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
Le 23/11/2014 20:09, Brian a écrit : On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 13:27:55 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equivalent, yes. Identical, probably no. sigh Ignorance reigns supreme. Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They can result in the same set of files being installed - but that does not and never will be 'euiqvalent'. Earlier in this thread we had https://lists.debian.org/2014180749.7e240...@fornost.bigon.be The claim there is that the two processes are *functionally* the same; different routes are taken but the same end result is achieved. In an attempt at injecting some software neutrality into this discussion let's consider netcat-traditional, which d-i automatically installs. Some people prefer netcat-openbsd so they preseed its installation. In what way is a system *functionally* different from one which d-i gave netcat-openbsd automatically. It would be nice if you regarded the word functionally as an essential qualification of equivalent or identical and not dismiss it. If functionnally is the only criteria, then its time to flee. You may have same functionality (and I am not sure systemd is functionnaly equivalent to sysvinit) witheg proprietary and free software : would you then acceot the proprietary software ? You have also different secuity, different audit, etc... if you consider only functionlaity for equivalence, then windows is equivalent to debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547231c2.8010...@rail.eu.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/11/2014 3:38 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrew McGlashan writes: I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so hard to understand? What's hard to understand is why I should give a damn. Ditto on why I should give a damn about your position. I would like to see Debian move forward, but I see the systemd situation as a clear backwards step. The future of Debian will mean, as it stands today, that systemd will be more important and likely become a necessity even though today we are not forced to use it ... and that's just part of the problem. I would prefer Linux kernel with traditional Debian userland with stability and security as major focuses, not the init system or anything else that comes along with systemd lock-in coming in the not too distant future. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRyLmwACgkQqBZry7fv4vutPAD/efPbFZzZNXR0oC3wTNIfCfG3 gt5ywQ30+S/gYyTosdkA/j4hEA0fD/aIn+/ypxUxh4QpciPe0ndIYYUpA71qa+LR =QtTR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54722e6e.1070...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On 11/23/2014 2:09 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: It would be nice if you regarded the word functionally as an essential qualification of equivalent or identical and not dismiss it. What would be nice is if you (and others) would stop claiming that 'installing systemd, then installing sysvinit-core, then uninstalling systemd', is *the same* as performing a clean install with sysvinit as the init system. I honestly don't care if they are functionally equivalent or not, as it is beside the point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54723245.2010...@libertytrek.org
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I have gvfs 1.12.3-4 installed, as well as gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 and fuse 2.9.0-2+deb7u1. Does this help, or hurt? Those were installed to access my phone. Scott has suggested that the iPod might be getting grabbed by a fusefs. Does this make sense, and, if so, what can I do about it? What does it say when you run ideviceinfo in a terminal after plugging in your device (might tell us what is missing from the picture)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm74cre.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/11/2014 4:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrew McGlashan writes: You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? ...and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a small limited number of people. What makes you think I believe that? I *still* do not want to see your emotional rants here (nor those of your opponents). Are you unaware of the fact that many people support Systemd solely because they have decided that all the opponents are raving lunatics? Anyone who has done that instead of making decisions on technical grounds deserves what he/she gets. What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. Exactly, well said Jerry. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRyL2wACgkQqBZry7fv4vsj2QD/YVLHdLG/2WZkfFP1Y8oVKUus Q/2ApXKSIkb4xrfX/lAA/R9qMVzgvd2xTC1A8EqsWGbR8/MQzzmHvBabNRlX9zBQ =TV92 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54722f6d.4000...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? I think that, in one of the sciences, was a L'Hopital's Rule, but, do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rule. My etymological sources tell me that from the end of the Middle Ages to the beginning of the Renaissance, in large European cities, there was a certain rivalry between publicly-administered hospitals and religiously-administered charities in treating the sick and the poor. Otherwise, I wonder whether the above, has something to do with mosques and charities and hospitals? Moquer (to mock), not mosquée (mosque). The expression signifies that before criticizing others, you should make sure that you yourself are beyond reproach. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm74dbt.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 9:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. That's how it works with every major OS release, and some minor ones too. Often with other software too. Once in a while I still run into someone who buys a new computer and is surprised there is no place to plug in their parallel printer. This is what release notes are for, highlighting changes and known issues. In some cases not working as expected is a bug, in others it's by design. The situation with Windows XP is evidence enough that many people are willing to spend excessive amounts of money keeping systems alive that are well past their DNR date to stick with something they know. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. Jerry For non technical people it is always good to recommend waiting a bit before upgrading to something new, I would normally say 2-3 months to let additional issues get uncovered, work a rounds to be found, fixes to be released ,etc... With the amount of time between new Debian releases there is some time to sort things out in point releases and make some decisions on how things are to be for the next major release. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5472336d.7080...@comcast.net
Re: ntpd confusion
mad wrote: I use the default ntp configuration and other Debian installations directly on the internet use all four clock sources (0.debian.pool, 1.debian.pool...). Should see some remapped names from the pool in the list then. Why is that? It seems to have something to do with IPv4 and IPv6. If I start ntpd with '-4 -n' ntpq exists with 'Connection refused'. If I start it with '-6 -n' ntpq says 'No association ID's returned'. I'm thoroughly confused. Does anyone knows what's happening? No idea. Works for me. Is your router blocking ntp port 123 and preventing them from connecting? Bob Example from a machine here using the pool. # ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == +time.tritn.com 66.220.9.122 2 u 651 1024 377 68.8241.508 22.071 *pool-test.ntp.o 204.123.2.72 2 u 439 1024 377 69.1641.546 1.088 -ntp2.pcloud.com 43.77.130.2542 u 568 1024 377 74.165 -12.416 17.309 +tssnet1.tss.net 204.123.2.5 2 u 940 1024 377 74.379 -0.202 0.965 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On 11/22/2014 11:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:29:20PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: /snip/ If you use UUIDs instead of /dev/sd??, you avoid the issue of locations changing. If the new /dev/sda drive has GRUB in the MBR, I believe you should be able to boot from the command line in any case. Grub can boot Windows just fine. regards, Joel What are the gotchas that are easy to get wrong in an operation like this? -- hendrik Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants to be activated and I found that GParted's activation does not suffice.That's why I mentioned obtaining a program to activate Windows. If you only have one computer, you should get that before you mess around. (I don't pretend to know why this happens, only that it does. That's why there are programs available to take care of that problem.) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54723da9.9080...@optonline.net
Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:03:20 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? I think that, in one of the sciences, was a L'Hopital's Rule, but, do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rule. Otherwise, I wonder whether the above, has something to do with mosques and charities and hospitals? L'Hopital and La Charité were the two main Paris hospitals in the middle-ages, the one run by the city, and the other by the Church; and both were just equally bad in how fast their patients died off Cheers, Ron. -- /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ AND POSTINGS -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123170726.13d49...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 14:15:17 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/23/2014 2:09 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: It would be nice if you regarded the word functionally as an essential qualification of equivalent or identical and not dismiss it. What would be nice is if you (and others) would stop claiming that 'installing systemd, then installing sysvinit-core, then uninstalling systemd', is *the same* as performing a clean install with sysvinit as the init system. I thought you would disregard functionally as being a dirty word. :) You have snipped the sentence where I explained what the same meant to me. Then you claim I said something different. That's a bit naughty. I honestly don't care if they are functionally equivalent or not, as it is beside the point. Your point is that arriving at a particular objective can be done in two (or more) ways. Rather obvious, IMO. Discussing the merits of the routes is besides the point? You could get a lot of mileage out of the netcat example. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123202346.gv3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 03:03:53PM -0500, Doug wrote: On 11/22/2014 11:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Grub can boot Windows just fine. Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants to be activated and I found that GParted's activation does not suffice.That's why I mentioned obtaining a program to activate Windows. If you only have one computer, you should get that before you mess around. I think that goes with OS installation. I was thinking the narrower issue of booting. I was able to shink a factory windows 7 partition and boot it with grub/lilo without affecting any activation codes. (I don't pretend to know why this happens, only that it does. That's why there are programs available to take care of that problem.) I speculate that windows startup code looks for changes in partition parameters recorded during the install. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54723da9.9080...@optonline.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123202520.GA27459@sprite
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 20:13:06 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le 23/11/2014 20:09, Brian a écrit : It would be nice if you regarded the word functionally as an essential qualification of equivalent or identical and not dismiss it. If functionnally is the only criteria, then its time to flee. You may have same functionality (and I am not sure systemd is functionnaly equivalent to sysvinit) witheg proprietary and free software : would you then acceot the proprietary software ? You have also different secuity, different audit, etc... if you consider only functionlaity for equivalence, then windows is equivalent to debian. It's possible you have misunderstood the process which functionally is applied to. Tanstaafl explains it in his mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141123202826.gw3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 11/23/2014 11:20 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I have gvfs 1.12.3-4 installed, as well as gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 and fuse 2.9.0-2+deb7u1. Does this help, or hurt? Those were installed to access my phone. Scott has suggested that the iPod might be getting grabbed by a fusefs. Does this make sense, and, if so, what can I do about it? What does it say when you run ideviceinfo in a terminal after plugging in your device (might tell us what is missing from the picture)? GnuTLS error: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547246fd.6070...@gmail.com
Re: wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 19:38:37 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface ? Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, If you are using ifupdown you will likely be wanting to use a wpa-roam.conf in it. The Debian README for wpasupplicant is very detailed and helpful. Have a look at it and see whether you need to follow up on it here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/23112014205746.507ef821a...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: How to mount an iPod Touch
On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: What does it say when you run ideviceinfo in a terminal after plugging in your device (might tell us what is missing from the picture)? GnuTLS error: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. Well, that error is worth a google search. I'm seeing: if you receive this error message when trying to mount with Ifuse GNUTLS ERROR: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received You need to pair the phone with your pc to do this enter this command idevicepair unpair Your Iphone or other Idevice will automatically try to re-pair you can then unplug it and plug it back in and it should mount correctly. Worth a try. I'm off to bed. Good luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm74iv3.30l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already
On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? :) Apt. (In English Pot, meet kettle) Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724c40.9080...@gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Sunday 23 November 2014 18:27:55 Tanstaafl wrote: Ignorance reigns supreme. Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They _are_ equivalent. They are not the same. Try your dictionary rather than gratuitously accusing me of ignorance because I don't agree with your semantics. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411232109.45980.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: replacing boot and only disk drive
On 11/23/2014 12:03 PM, Doug wrote: Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants to be activated and I found that GParted's activation does not suffice.That's why I mentioned obtaining a program to activate Windows. If you only have one computer, you should get that before you mess around. (I don't pretend to know why this happens, only that it does. That's why there are programs available to take care of that problem.) --doug Windows activation is a separate issue, but I'm assuming you meant... Windows needs to be on the active partition. Setting the partition flag to bootable/active in gparted works fine for this. It's the PBR (Partition Boot Record) that is the issue. If I remember correctly using the copy/paste feature in gparted to copy the partition to the new drive will copy the PBR, if someone knows different please correct me. If you need to write a new PBR. Booting off the XP install disk, going to the recovery console and using the fixboot command will write a new PBR. Booting from Vista or Windows 7 install disk, going into the recovery tools, command prompt, and using the bootsect command also works bootsect /? for a list of options. Bootsect has an option for writing an XP compatible PBR. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724ee4.2060...@comcast.net
Purging a package...............
In a different email, under the heading: Re: Installing an Alternative Init? Andrei posted this in part: [quote] A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is generally considered a bug in Debian, severity depending on the impact, of course. [end quote] I suppose this is literal, just that package? Because I have install a package which also pulled in some dependencies. Upon purging it, because it didn't suit the purpose of what I wanted to do. It purged itself, but left the dependencies on the system. I can only suppose this is what is supposed to happen? I backtracked and found them, purging each in turn. I also suppose this is what's supposed to happen? Or is there some command using apt-get that allows me to purge a package and the dependencies it pulled in as well? Just curious and trying to learn a bit more. Thanks, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Deep in their roots, All flowers keep the light. .Theodore Roethke *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141124082229.16a1683b@taogypsy
Re: wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface
Hello Brian, On 23/11/14 22:02, Brian wrote: On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 19:38:37 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface ? Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, If you are using ifupdown you will likely be wanting to use a wpa-roam.conf in it. The Debian README for wpasupplicant is very detailed and helpful. Have a look at it and see whether you need to follow up on it here. I already use this approach. The difficulty here is the coova login page. Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547250b8.30...@rezozer.net
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 1:15 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:17:00, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. I agree that they are the majority. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Well, I will assert that those users also don't customize their systems in ways that would matter for the Wheezy - Jessie upgrade switch to systemd[1]. I think that's a false assumption. Virtually every server I'm familiar with has some customization for individual needs. Very few are running stock Wheezy packages only. But that's probably because one of the things I do is device drivers, and virtually every system I write them for is special purpose for one reason or another. Even though my experience shows the opposite, I will admit that experience is a small part of the entire Linux installation base. However, I still don't believe you can make that assumption. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. As with any major transition. And your point is? [1] assuming this will happen, as it's still not decided yet. Kind regards, Andrei This is a much bigger change than any release in about the last 10 years. With other upgrades, virtually everything custom ran fine. The biggest problem I saw was when the device driver interface changed and I had to rewrite a bunch of drivers. But even that was minimal compared to this change - which will affect many more users. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724cef.9050...@gmail.com
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On 11/23/2014 1:27 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be considered the *equivalent* of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equivalent, yes. Identical, probably no. sigh Ignorance reigns supreme. Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They can result in the same set of files being installed - but that does not and never will be 'euiqvalent'. I would disagree here. If the result is the same set of files being installed, then there is no difference between the two systems. So they are truly equivalent. In fact, they would be identical. The question, however, is - can this equivalency be accomplished? That I don't know. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724ef8.6020...@gmail.com
Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 2:20 PM, seeker5528 wrote: On 11/23/2014 9:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. That's how it works with every major OS release, and some minor ones too. Often with other software too. Once in a while I still run into someone who buys a new computer and is surprised there is no place to plug in their parallel printer. The change in init systems is the biggest change for users in the last 10 years or more. It will affect many more users than any previous upgrade I've seen in Debian in that time. This is what release notes are for, highlighting changes and known issues. In some cases not working as expected is a bug, in others it's by design. Which does not change the fact that it will affect many people. The situation with Windows XP is evidence enough that many people are willing to spend excessive amounts of money keeping systems alive that are well past their DNR date to stick with something they know. If I wanted Windows XP, I would be running Windows XP. The same with my customers. Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do so. Jerry For non technical people it is always good to recommend waiting a bit before upgrading to something new, I would normally say 2-3 months to let additional issues get uncovered, work a rounds to be found, fixes to be released ,etc... We're not talking non-technical people here. We are talking companies with IT departments managing multiple servers and desktops. We are talking small companies who contract their IT services. We are talking individual users running their own servers and desktops. But even for them, waiting 2-3 months is NOT going to fix their problems. Neither is waiting 2-3 years, because the problem is incompatibility with previous Debian releases. With the amount of time between new Debian releases there is some time to sort things out in point releases and make some decisions on how things are to be for the next major release. Later, Seeker Which takes time, talent and money. Many are short of one or more. I'm already being asked what I recommend for another distro. I can't answer that because I don't know where I'm going myself, yet. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54724e60.5020...@gmail.com
