Re: Virtualbox for stretch and buster not in repos

[Mark Fletcher]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:18:22PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Robert Menes  wrote:
> 
> > Is there a reason why virtualbox hasn't migrated into stretch or
> > buster yet? 
> 
> Short Answer: Because of Oracle.
> 
> Longer Answer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466
> 
> Summary: Virtualbox will at the current state of affairs never be in
> Testing or any stable release or stable-backports ever again.
> 

I feel this answer is slightly disingenuous. 

Yes it is true the official Debian repo won't contain Virtualbox again 
until Oracle make changes they will most likely never make.

But, you can get VirtualBox to work just fine on post-Jessie Debian by 
adding the following to your sources.list or sources.list.d:

deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib

(Obviously you wouldn't use stretch, I am on stretch so that is what I 
use)

then apt update and bob will be your uncle, and fanny will be your aunt.

Mark

Re: debian 9.1 dpkg error when installing xemacs and erlang

[Mark Fletcher]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 04:19:24PM +0200, Rémy Noulin wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> After running:
> apt-get install emacs25-el
> 
> I get another error:
> 
> While compiling erlang-edoc-xml-context in file
> /usr/share/xemacs21/site-lisp/erlang/erlang-edoc.el:
>   !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "xmltok"))
> 
> According to apt-file, xmltok is in emacs25-el and should be already
> installed:
> 
> emacs25-common: /usr/share/emacs/25.1/lisp/nxml/xmltok.elc
> emacs25-el: /usr/share/emacs/25.1/lisp/nxml/xmltok.el.gz
> 
> Cheers,
> Remy
> 
What about emacs25-common?

Mark

Re: [solved] Re: Live recording

[deloptes]

> 
> For human voice, I bought a USB audio card and plugged a third microphone
> into
> it.  So now I have:
> 
>  mic1 for piano basses; |__ plugged together into the
>  mic2 for piano highs;  |   above Y cable
>  mic3 for voice -> -> -> -> plugged into the USB dongle.
> 
> Then I do:
> 
>  $ sox -t alsa default piano.wav
> 
> and, at the same time, on another xterm session,
> 
>  $ sox -t alsa wh:2,0 voice.wav
> 
> where wh:2,0 is the USB device (do: `arecord -l' first).  This way I get
> two
> audio files: piano.wav and voice.wav.  The first one is stereo and the
> second
> is mono.  In the end I merge the two together with Audacity.  By default,
> Audacity puts the mono file just in the middle between left and right
> channel; but, if you like, you can have it weight more left or more right,
> in the
> percentage you want.  I must say that the result is acceptable, and
> more...
> 
Why not do all that directly in Audacity? I am sure it works and it will
take care of the timing automatically

regards

Re: need help on audio recording

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

> Then you answer your own questions. (But cover yourself in case there is
> a comeback). Yes, you are evidently a professional politician.

It's just Gene :)

Regarding the assumption, which I don't think match reality in this
particular case, I agree with the will to educate and at the most, the
believe it will work, so if there is a reason to be polite or just ignore
such queries I guess it would be the respect to people, like you, Gene and
tomás

Re: problème reconnexion ppp0 au démarrage (stretch)

[Louis-Philippe]

Le 14 août 2017 à 15:50, Pascal Hambourg  a écrit :

> Le 14/08/2017 à 20:46, Louis-Philippe a écrit :
>
>>
>> Mon interface ppp0 ne se monte plus automatiquement au démarrage de mon
>> serveur suite à la migration à Debian Stretch.
>>
>> Si je fais la commande "pon dsl-provider", tout fonctionne bien.
>>
>
> Et avec ifup  ?
>

Un ifup eth0 donne :
ifup: interface eth0 already configured


>
> Après avoir découvert ce problème, j'ai refait la commande pppoeconf et il
>> a modifié mon fichier interfaces... sans succès.
>>
>
> On peut le voir ?
>

Voici les 4 lignes concernant mon interface. (J'ai une eth1 qui est pour le
lan...):
auto dsl-provider
iface dsl-provider inet ppp
provider dsl-provider

iface eth0 inet manual



>
> Des idées ?
>>
>
> As-tu regardé dans les logs (/var/log/syslog notamment) ?
>
>
au moment du reboot :
Je suis à chercher l'information pour le "Terminating on signal 15" 

Aug 14 19:00:53 toto pppd[499]: Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
Aug 14 19:00:53 toto pppd[506]: pppd 2.4.7 started by root, uid 0
Aug 14 19:00:53 toto pppd[506]: error sending pppoe packet: Network is down
Aug 14 19:00:53 toto pppd[506]: error receiving pppoe packet: Network is
down
Aug 14 19:00:58 toto pppd[506]: PPP session is 1417
Aug 14 19:00:58 toto pppd[506]: Connected to 00:11:ZZ:YY:XX:XX via
interface eth0
Aug 14 19:00:58 toto pppd[506]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 14 19:00:58 toto pppd[506]: Connect: ppp0 <--> eth0
Aug 14 19:00:59 toto pppd[506]: Terminating on signal 15
Aug 14 19:01:02 toto pppd[506]: Connection terminated.
Aug 14 19:01:02 toto pppd[506]: Exit.

Merci pour l'information et ton aide !

-- 
Louis-Philippe Gauthier

Re: need help on audio recording

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 August 2017 16:42:49 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 15:48:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 14 August 2017 10:20:01 deloptes wrote:
> > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult.
> > > > From what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large
> > > > cultural gap to be here. Reading docs is sometimes difficult,
> > > > even for me (and I was born in a language which is most probably
> > > > neighbour to yours and neighbour to our current common English).
> > >
> > > I wasn't unfriendly at all. The point is you can read from the
> > > question at what level this OP is. So as Ric Moore said, mutual
> > > respect is expected, in my world you get what you asked for.
> > > Stupid questions get stupid answers etc.
> >
> > What if, in addition to jumping into the English speaking world, a
> > high hurdle itself, and has just opened the networking door,
> > possibly with a borrowed machine, and wants to know how to fix his
> > network, w/o even posting the linux version and release he borrowed
> > the install cd's for.
>
> You set up your imagined assumptions on which to base your argument:
>
>  jumping into the English speaking world
>  opening a networking door
>  a possible borrowed machine
>
Absolutely Brian.

> > He is NOT going to be familiar with the common vernacular we often
> > use, and may well ask a question that is stupid.
>
>  Two other unjustified, non-evidence based assertions.

Oh, we're counting now?  Who's the troll?
>
> > Are we to give him the RTFM brushoff, or actually try to educate
> > this individual with a non-condescending tone to our reply's.?
>
> Having set up your scenario (based on pure imagination) you proceed to
> ask two rhetorical questions. Are you a professional politician by
> trade?

Retired Television CE, and a C.E.T. & what was once a 1st Phone.

> > I vote for the latter unless the OP refuses to take the directions
> > offered, repeatedly.  Only then should any of us offer to discuss
> > his family tree.
>
> Then you answer your own questions. (But cover yourself in case there
> is a comeback). Yes, you are evidently a professional politician.

Does thinking about running for the board of education count?

Those thoughts were tossed when I attended a board meeting and found out 
just how tightly the local board's hands were tied by all the federal 
rules. In terms of the education our children get today, every federal 
action serves mainly to see to it that the unfortunate child with Downs 
can actually pass the tests and graduate.

I experienced the other side of that coin in the late 1940's when they 
discontinued teaching phonics.  My school was late doing that.

Fortunately I had a mother who, if I asked a question she did not know 
the answer to, did know where the library was.  She was also the only 
girl in the class on aviation technology at Des Moines Technical High 
School in 1929. 

So I quit school over an allergy issue in '49 and started fixing these 
newfangled things called tv's for real money.  Had my name drawn at the 
lopcal draft board in the middle of Korea, but made a 98 on the AFQT.  
That got me 4F'd.  But the next best score on that test that day, out of 
130+ other kids, was 36, obviously they wanted somebody who would take 
orders. and I wasn't that somebody.  Switched to tv engineering in the 
early 60's, after passing the 1st Phone w/o cracking a book.  Saw a 
notice in the Norfolk ME paper where I was then working, they were going 
to test for the C.E.T. a day or so later at the community college, so I 
walked in, laid my $20 on the table and took it. Missed 2 of 125 
multiple choice questions, which combined with my many years of 
experience, put the Journeyman version of that card in my billfold. 
Thats VERY impressive to potential employers, never failed to get me the 
job...

I finished out my working time in the middle of 2002 after nearly 19 
years in the CE's chair at WDTV-5, the local CBS affiliate.  Since then 
I've been building CNC machinery, and harassing these mailing lists on 
occasion.  Linux user since 1998.

You were saying?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab)

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 August 2017 16:33:40 Felix Miata wrote:

> Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):
> > So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust
> > of the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively
> > straightforward. A single user (or group of users) trying to alter
> > the init system policy is doomed to failure, no matter how
> > vociferous they are.
> >
> > Many complain about documentation. When control of it is put in
> > their hands they stand back and do nothing. Going for the "easy"
> > targets is more compelling.
>
> The problem with software documentation wikis is the people in best
> position to know what they should contain have no incentive to do the
> update work. To write useful docs requires knowledge what should be in
> them. That knowledge is mostly possessed by those writing and changing
> code, those who /caused/ the need to update docs.
>
> What's needed is incentive for code creators to simultaneously
> document, with ample examples that man pages usually omit, even if
> it's only in formal, non-wikified docs that wikis can point to.
>
> Thus we see by their nature that wikis cannot be depended upon to be
> up to date. Most should be used as little more than a starting point
> from which to confirm elsewhere from whatever clues they provide.

+100 Felix. Its pure dark green stuff on the ground behind the male 
bovine, chasing links all over the planet, which might have a hint about 
what to fix for an update that broke the whole installs gui's 2 weeks 
ago.

It should be an iron-clad rule that a developer submitting his itch 
scratcher code to a distribution must be subscribed to that 
distributions user list BEFORE he can commit.  Thats the only way the 
person responsible for the breakage will ever get any feedback in a 
reasonable time frame.  Doable, yes. Unintended consequences? Very 
Probably.  But my guess is short term. In 6 months, back to normal if 
not better.

An ex mother-in-law of mine from 60 years back up the log had a saying I 
have remembered all these years.

"They have the same clothes to get glad in that they got mad in" :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: obsolete wiki

[Felix Miata]

Brian composed on 2017-08-14 22:10 (UTC+0100):

>  I take it you are not up for altering the Init page?

I looked in the thread and was unable to find that anyone had provided a URL for
"the Init page". Without seeing the particular page in question I can't answer,
but I'm guessing the answer would be I would feel I have too little competence
to adequately address that particular subject, as with most wiki pages I find
deficient.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Joel Rees]

2017/08/15 1:05 "Brian" :
>
> On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 13:22:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> > > I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months
after the Stretch release.
> >
> > Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months.
> >
> > The answer to that question is simple: it is a wiki, it has not been
> > updated because you did not update it. Me neither. Please proceed.
>
> That looked to be a five minute job. Replace the "Overview" section
> with the single line "The system initialization process is handled
> by systemd" and delete all the links except the one to init(1).
>
> That's until you get to thinking what the purpose of the page is and
> look at where it is linked from and what has to be done to make all
> the parts form a coherent whole.

I wonder if you will now begin to recognize why the forced universal
upgrade to systemd was a thoroughly ill-conceived bit of social
engineering.

--
Joel Rees

http://reiisi.blogspot.com

Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab)

[Brian]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 16:33:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):
> 
> > So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust of
> > the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively straightforward.
> > A single user (or group of users) trying to alter the init system policy
> > is doomed to failure, no matter how vociferous they are.
> 
> > Many complain about documentation. When control of it is put in their
> > hands they stand back and do nothing. Going for the "easy" targets is
> > more compelling.
> 
> The problem with software documentation wikis is the people in best position 
> to
> know what they should contain have no incentive to do the update work. To 
> write
> useful docs requires knowledge what should be in them. That knowledge is 
> mostly
> possessed by those writing and changing code, those who /caused/ the need to
> update docs.

Knowledge is confined to those who know what they are doing? They are
the ones in charge? It is not for us ordinary mortals to spread or
interpret it? Some politians and priests are with you. Disseminating
knowledge is only for the few.

> What's needed is incentive for code creators to simultaneously document, with
> ample examples that man pages usually omit, even if it's only in formal,
> non-wikified docs that wikis can point to.

It always looks good to place the responsibility on someone else.

> Thus we see by their nature that wikis cannot be depended upon to be up to 
> date.
> Most should be used as little more than a starting point from which to confirm
> elsewhere from whatever clues they provide.

Wiki pages cannot be depended upon to be up-to-date when nobody does
anything. I take it you are not up for altering the Init page?

-- 
Brian.







> -- 
> "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
> 
>  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
> 
> Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
> 

Re: [solved] Re: Live recording

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>
>> According to:
>>
>>  http://www.upubuntu.com/2013/05/how-to-record-your-voice-from.html
>>
>> I record live sound via microphone just doing:
>>
>>  $ sox -t alsa default output.wav
>>
>> Now I was wondering about the stereo o non-stereo character of such a home
>> made recording...  I tried to use two microphones together, plugging them
>> together into the PC with a small common connection doubber.  Can we say the
>> result is stereo...?  I would doubt...  and how to have - if possible - a
>> stereo effect with the above basic recording instruments?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all.  The problem seems to be solved with such a cable:
>
>  https://www.thomann.de/at/pro_snake_78219_yadapterkabel.htm

Well, actually better this one:

 http://hosatech.com/product/ymm-261/

> as suggested by deloptes and other listers.  The cable consists in two female
> 3.5mm terminations, each of them mono, and a male 3.5mm stereo.  One mic at
> one female end, the other one at the other female end, and the male end
> plugged into the microphone input of my netbook.  All this seems to produce a
> perfect stereo effect: the two channels sound to be very well separated.
>
> I'll be using the above simple connection system to live piano recording: mic
> 1 on the basses (left), mic 2 on the high (right).
>
> My next step is trying to add human voice, say in the middle.  I'll see if
> this is possible by slightly complicating the above solution, without preamp
> or mixer or multi-channel audio interface.  I'll be posting here if the
> attempt succeeds.


For human voice, I bought a USB audio card and plugged a third microphone into
it.  So now I have:

 mic1 for piano basses; |__ plugged together into the
 mic2 for piano highs;  |   above Y cable
 mic3 for voice -> -> -> -> plugged into the USB dongle.

Then I do:

 $ sox -t alsa default piano.wav

and, at the same time, on another xterm session,

 $ sox -t alsa wh:2,0 voice.wav

where wh:2,0 is the USB device (do: `arecord -l' first).  This way I get two
audio files: piano.wav and voice.wav.  The first one is stereo and the second
is mono.  In the end I merge the two together with Audacity.  By default,
Audacity puts the mono file just in the middle between left and right channel;
but, if you like, you can have it weight more left or more right, in the
percentage you want.  I must say that the result is acceptable, and more...

Thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: Help with USB audio card

[Rodolfo Medina]

Curt  writes:

> On 2017-08-14, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>>
>>> How do I choose the one I want?  Each of them has a red button with a check
>>> in it, but nothing changes if I click on them...
>>
>>
>> ...Sorry, a green button, not red...
>
> Right.
>
> I have successfully recorded my speaking voice using a usb sound device
> (webcam, but that's all I got) with audacity.
>
> So you attach your usb dongle and plug in your microphone (turn it on, if it
> turns on), then open audacity.
>
> There are two microphone icons with drop down menus on the toolbar in
> audacity. Next to the lower left microphone icon, I selected 'USB
> Device' (hw:2,0) in the drop down menu.  The mic's mono so no choice
> there for me. 
>
> For the upper right mic icon select 'start monitoring' in the drop down
> menu. Now when you make a sound into the microphone the red monitoring
> meter should hop to the right. If that doesn't happen you can stop right
> there because something is wrong that must be fixed first. No meter
> movement--no sound input detected; you will end up with another empty
> wav. 
>
> Press red button to record.


Yes, thanks...  Something is wrong with the device: the test with Audacity is
negative.  Besides, today I got a new USB audio card, that I bought in internet
when I saw that the first one wouldn't work: here it is:

 https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01KLZR3TY/ref=pe_3310731_189395851_TE_dp_1

I bought it because it was claimed to be working with Linux.  And in fact, it
works perfectly, also with the test you suggested with pavucontrol, and also
with this test in Audacity, and it records fine.  But maybe, it is simply that
the first one is defective...

Thank you indeed, Curt, for your help...  Thanks to all.

Cheers,

Rodolfo

Re: testing, upgrade of openssl libssl1.1 ( 1.1.0f-3 => 1.1.0f-4 )

[Sven Hartge]

Kamil Jońca  wrote:
> Stephan Seitz  writes:

>> As announced the new version of openssl has disabled TLSv1 and
>> TLSv1.1 leaving only TLSv1.2.  So if you have an old server without
>> TLSv1.2, you can’t connect anymore.

> It is also break lot of other thigs: for example: my radius server
> start to refuse to authenticate win8 and win8 clients and android
> tablets.

Windows 8, too? It would be nice if you could add this to the thread on
debian-devel concerning this change in OpenSSL.

I already commented that anything Android 5.1 and older is affected by
that change.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: need help on audio recording

[Brian]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 15:48:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 14 August 2017 10:20:01 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
> > > what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
> > > to be here. Reading docs is sometimes difficult, even for me (and
> > > I was born in a language which is most probably neighbour to yours
> > > and neighbour to our current common English).
> >
> > I wasn't unfriendly at all. The point is you can read from the
> > question at what level this OP is. So as Ric Moore said, mutual
> > respect is expected, in my world you get what you asked for. Stupid
> > questions get stupid answers etc.
> >
> What if, in addition to jumping into the English speaking world, a high 
> hurdle itself, and has just opened the networking door, possibly with a 
> borrowed machine, and wants to know how to fix his network, w/o even 
> posting the linux version and release he borrowed the install cd's for.

You set up your imagined assumptions on which to base your argument:

 jumping into the English speaking world
 opening a networking door
 a possible borrowed machine

> He is NOT going to be familiar with the common vernacular we often use, 
> and may well ask a question that is stupid.

 Two other unjustified, non-evidence based assertions.

> Are we to give him the RTFM brushoff, or actually try to educate this 
> individual with a non-condescending tone to our reply's.?

Having set up your scenario (based on pure imagination) you proceed to ask
two rhetorical questions. Are you a professional politician by trade?
 
> I vote for the latter unless the OP refuses to take the directions 
> offered, repeatedly.  Only then should any of us offer to discuss his 
> family tree.

Then you answer your own questions. (But cover yourself in case there is
a comeback). Yes, you are evidently a professional politician.

-- 
Brian.

Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab)

[Felix Miata]

Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):

> So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust of
> the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively straightforward.
> A single user (or group of users) trying to alter the init system policy
> is doomed to failure, no matter how vociferous they are.

> Many complain about documentation. When control of it is put in their
> hands they stand back and do nothing. Going for the "easy" targets is
> more compelling.

The problem with software documentation wikis is the people in best position to
know what they should contain have no incentive to do the update work. To write
useful docs requires knowledge what should be in them. That knowledge is mostly
possessed by those writing and changing code, those who /caused/ the need to
update docs.

What's needed is incentive for code creators to simultaneously document, with
ample examples that man pages usually omit, even if it's only in formal,
non-wikified docs that wikis can point to.

Thus we see by their nature that wikis cannot be depended upon to be up to date.
Most should be used as little more than a starting point from which to confirm
elsewhere from whatever clues they provide.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: need help on audio recording

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 August 2017 16:08:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:01:26PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Thanks, Gene. You brought over my point better than I could have
> >
> > Yes indeed, I admit I learn from you each day
>
> Me too :-)
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Thanks for the flowers, both of you.

Now if I could just remember to water the things. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: need help on audio recording

[tomas]

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> 
> > Thanks, Gene. You brought over my point better than I could have
> 
> Yes indeed, I admit I learn from you each day

Me too :-)

Cheers
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Re: need help on audio recording

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Thanks, Gene. You brought over my point better than I could have

Yes indeed, I admit I learn from you each day

Re: libreoffice: 'No provider of glClearBufferfv found'

[Curt]

On 2017-08-14, Flo  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I upgraded two of my computers to testing recently and on my laptop 
> invoking libreoffice doesn't work. I've looked for a few hours to find a 
> solution but I failed.
>
> When I call libreoffice
>
> No provider of glClearBufferfv found.  Requires one of:
>  Desktop OpenGL 3.0
>  OpenGL ES 3.0
>
> Does anyone know what packages are necessary in that case.

I don't know. Maybe a bug.

 glxinfo | grep OpenGL

You can turn off OpenGL rendering apparently by editing the file
'registrymodifications.xcu' in your user profile folder.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/OpenGL

> Thank you for your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Flo
>
>


-- 
"Until the Lion learns to write, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the 
Hunter."
— African proverb

Re: why time in XP is wrong?

[Joe]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:44:47 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 14/08/2017 à 20:23, Joe a écrit :
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:09:19 +0200
> > Pascal Hambourg  wrote:  
> >>
> >> Windows 7 and later versions support setting the hardware clock to
> >> UTC through a registry setting. But with Windows XP the cleanest
> >> way is to use the UTC timezone or disable daylight saving shifts,
> >> or use NTP on each system to keep the system clock correct.  
> > 
> > Even the latter may be a problem. I have a Win8 laptop that I
> > occasionally boot to Sid, and of course it's an hour out back on
> > Win8.  
> 
> Why don't you set the hardware clock to UTC ?
> 

Because one day, an update will change it back to default, and I'll
spend four hours figuring out what's wrong. I've learned not to mess
with Windows defaults without good reason, and resetting the clock five
or six times a year isn't good enough.

Every version of Windows gets more damn 'helpful'... I'm hoping Red
Hat doesn't follow MS too closely...

-- 
Joe

Re: need help on audio recording

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:48:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 14 August 2017 10:20:01 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. [...]

> > I wasn't unfriendly at all. The point is you can read from the
> > question at what level this OP is. So as Ric Moore said, mutual
> > respect is expected, in my world you get what you asked for. Stupid
> > questions get stupid answers etc.

It came over a bit... rough. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

> What if, in addition to jumping into the English speaking world, a high 
> hurdle itself, and has just opened the networking door, possibly with a 
> borrowed machine, and wants to know how to fix his network, w/o even 
> posting the linux version and release he borrowed the install cd's for.
> 
> He is NOT going to be familiar with the common vernacular we often use, 
> and may well ask a question that is stupid.

Thanks, Gene. You brought over my point better than I could have :-)

Chers
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Re: problème reconnexion ppp0 au démarrage (stretch)

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 14/08/2017 à 20:46, Louis-Philippe a écrit :


Mon interface ppp0 ne se monte plus automatiquement au démarrage de mon
serveur suite à la migration à Debian Stretch.

Si je fais la commande "pon dsl-provider", tout fonctionne bien.


Et avec ifup  ?


Après avoir découvert ce problème, j'ai refait la commande pppoeconf et il
a modifié mon fichier interfaces... sans succès.


On peut le voir ?


Des idées ?


As-tu regardé dans les logs (/var/log/syslog notamment) ?

Re: need help on audio recording

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 August 2017 10:20:01 deloptes wrote:

> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
> > what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
> > to be here. Reading docs is sometimes difficult, even for me (and
> > I was born in a language which is most probably neighbour to yours
> > and neighbour to our current common English).
>
> I wasn't unfriendly at all. The point is you can read from the
> question at what level this OP is. So as Ric Moore said, mutual
> respect is expected, in my world you get what you asked for. Stupid
> questions get stupid answers etc.
>
What if, in addition to jumping into the English speaking world, a high 
hurdle itself, and has just opened the networking door, possibly with a 
borrowed machine, and wants to know how to fix his network, w/o even 
posting the linux version and release he borrowed the install cd's for.

He is NOT going to be familiar with the common vernacular we often use, 
and may well ask a question that is stupid.

Are we to give him the RTFM brushoff, or actually try to educate this 
individual with a non-condescending tone to our reply's.?

I vote for the latter unless the OP refuses to take the directions 
offered, repeatedly.  Only then should any of us offer to discuss his 
family tree.

> > If you don't have the time (or the knowledge) to answer, just don't.
> > If you have (and you often have, and your contribs here are really
> > good), do.
>
> The point is the guy should read manuals, and as he later mentioned he
> would try rather BSD if he had to read manuals. This attitude can not
> be tolerated. We all are busy and at least I do not want to do
> someones homework especially if he/she is being lazy, especially if
> these are basics, described and commented on tausand places in the
> net.
>
> > But please, don't pour sarcasm on people who (pretty obviously)
> > aren't ill-intentioned, just struggling with a daunting cultural
> > chasm. Pretty please.
>
> Agree, I hope Long Wind got my message anyway. I also spent hours of
> reading documentation. There wasn't the internet as it is today, so I
> expect when someone asks something to show at least the attitude of
> willing to learn and not complaining why this and why that is
> difficult. It is difficult if you don't understand or know. Knowledge
> and understanding make things easy.
>
> And regarding cultural differencies, I spent a lot of time learning
> english and my mother language is far from english, well it is still
> indoeuropean, but it cost a lot of time and money to bring it at the
> level it is now, so again, respect the others, their time and their
> knowledge should be a must and I could not read anything of this in
> Long Wings question. Some poor guy who discovered Linux, wants to do
> something  well ... some people may be better use windows or no
> computer at all.
>
> > (And tell *me* whenever I do the same: I'm far from perfect in that
> > department and can use some feedback too :)
>
> I admit that I am not that tolerant, but I did not expect you to
> comment on my post.
>
> regards


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: testing, upgrade of openssl libssl1.1 ( 1.1.0f-3 => 1.1.0f-4 )

[Kamil Jońca]

Stephan Seitz  writes:

> On Mo, Aug 14, 2017 at 08:02:40 -0400, songbird wrote:
>>  may break your getting of mail process.
>>(i'm using getmail).
>>
>>  luckily downgrading the two packages restores
>>things to working again.
>>
>>  no time right now for me to find the magic
>>words to fiddle with to allow this to go
>>through.
>
> As announced the new version of openssl has disabled TLSv1 and TLSv1.1
> leaving only TLSv1.2.
> So if you have an old server without TLSv1.2, you can’t connect anymore.

It is also break lot of other thigs:
for example: my radius server start to refuse to authenticate win8 and
win8 clients and android tablets.
KJ

-- 
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Computer programs expand so as to fill the core available.

Re: libreoffice: 'No provider of glClearBufferfv found'

[Brian]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 21:04:20 +0200, Flo wrote:

> I upgraded two of my computers to testing recently and on my laptop invoking
> libreoffice doesn't work. I've looked for a few hours to find a solution but
> I failed.
> 
> When I call libreoffice
> 
> No provider of glClearBufferfv found.  Requires one of:
> Desktop OpenGL 3.0
> OpenGL ES 3.0
> 
> Does anyone know what packages are necessary in that case.

If libreoffice is an essential application for you, you have illustrated
why it is recommended to use stable.

If you are intent on testing buster, thanks. Your "few hours" are not
wasted. Keep looking and questioning.

Sorry not to be more help in resolving the immediate problem

-- 
Brian.

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 05:43:04PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> > I see. Still, you could perhaps use your trick to "collect" the
> > passphrase early.
> 
> Even if I could find a convenient way to enter the pass phrase as early
> as the bootloader, it cannot happen before the end of the POST, and the
> POST is a significant part of the boot time.
> 
> Since it is not possible to enter the pass phrase at the very beginning
> of the boot, the very end it must be to fulfill my requirements.

Understood.

> > And you are either prey to a God complex (knowing better what's right
> > for others) or a helper syndrome. Or both.
> 
> What makes you say that? I did not pretend that I know better what is
> right for you.

Hm. Proposing I see a doctor because I don't want to deal with systemd
was a bit asking for it (tongue-in-cheek noted, granted).

> But systemd has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion for now,
> and yet you brought it up for no apparent reason.

I just stated that it might interact (it *has* interacted with LUKS
passphrase entering in the past, remember) and that's not me the one
to find that out.

Another, perhaps crazy approach (if you have the right motherboard)
might be coreboot :)

Cheers
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Re: no /etc/inittab

[Brian]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 20:54:24 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 14.08.17 11:43, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> > hi everybody,
> > I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
> > live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
> > all the documentation I found still mentions it, For example, from the 
> > Debian wiki:
> > 
> > The system initialization process is handled by the init daemon.
> >   The ?/etc/inittab configuration tells init what to do. Especially it 
> > contains the lines :
> > 
> > Nevertheless, the boot seems to work corectly without it, and without 
> > /etc/init.d/rc.
> > Does that means that the Debian wiki is out of date, or did I miss 
> > something?
> 
> Yup, but it hasn't missed you. We no longer run Linux, but rather, Systemdix.
> In Debian, systemd is inexorably replacing swathes of traditional *nix
> functionality which we have over several decades learnt to use and rely
> on. With Systemdix, we not only acquire a M$-style impenetrable
> monolithic kitchen sink, but lose the interfaces with which we are
> familiar.
> 
> My Debian 7.8 machine still has /etc/inittab, but the new 9.0 machine
> doesn't. AIUI, though, it is not necessary to go back to the old
> versions, as it is possible to replace systemd in stretch with a sysv package.
> In fact, the first hit for "debian stretch sysvinit" is "Debian Stretch
> - Without Systemd" Jackpot!
> 
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch
> 
> Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
> finding which package that might be in.
> 
> It's fine to add new stuff to *nix, but the user interface for existing
> stuff has to remain, or it's not worth a biscuit. (c.f. postfix, which
> provides a sendmail-style interface for us old-timers.)

We bet you feel a lot better after getting that of your chest. In a
rather obtuse and log-winded way it seems you answered the OP's query
and acknowledged the wiki gives out-dated advice; init on a standard
system is systemd, not sysvinit.

So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust of
the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively straightforward.
A single user (or group of users) trying to alter the init system policy
is doomed to failure, no matter how vociferous they are.

Many complain about documentation. When control of it is put in their
hands they stand back and do nothing. Going for the "easy" targets is
more compelling.

-- 
Brian.

libreoffice: 'No provider of glClearBufferfv found'

[Flo]

Dear all,

I upgraded two of my computers to testing recently and on my laptop 
invoking libreoffice doesn't work. I've looked for a few hours to find a 
solution but I failed.


When I call libreoffice

No provider of glClearBufferfv found.  Requires one of:
Desktop OpenGL 3.0
OpenGL ES 3.0

Does anyone know what packages are necessary in that case.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards,
Flo

Re: donde esta debian standard live

[Victor Padro]

Cuando hago ese tipo de instalaciones utilizo el netinstall:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso

Aquí mayor información:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

Y de ahí inicio cualquier instalación de servidor o escritorio, la que
mencionas de Debian 8 es un live install, también puedes adquirirlo aquí en
versión Debian 9:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Saludos.

2017-08-14 13:20 GMT-05:00 franiortiz hotmail :

> Hola a todos
> Normalmente para instalar debian voy a las imagenes unofficial+firmware
> y desde alli descargo la imagen standard, sin escritorio ni nada, un debian
> pelao con solo la consola y a patir de ahi voy instalando los paquetes que
> realmente me interesan y solo esos pero no  veo esa opcion en la nueva
> version 9
> esta es la ultima que tengo: debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-standard+nonfree
> un saludo y gracias
>
>


-- 
"Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding
of ourselves"

Re: why time in XP is wrong?

[Felix Miata]

Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-08-14 20:09 (UTC+0200):

> Setting the hardware clock to local time with multiple systems is broken 
> if the time zone has daylight saving shifts. It cannot work, as each 
> system will apply the shift without knowing another already did it.

XP needn't be configured to adjust to time shifts. It's how all my few systems
that still include XP, none of which are ever used for email, are configured.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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problème reconnexion ppp0 au démarrage (stretch)

[Louis-Philippe]

Bonjour,

Mon interface ppp0 ne se monte plus automatiquement au démarrage de mon
serveur suite à la migration à Debian Stretch.

Si je fais la commande "pon dsl-provider", tout fonctionne bien.

Après avoir découvert ce problème, j'ai refait la commande pppoeconf et il
a modifié mon fichier interfaces... sans succès.

Des idées ?

Merci

-- 
Louis-Philippe Gauthier

Re: why time in XP is wrong?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 14/08/2017 à 20:23, Joe a écrit :

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:09:19 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:


Windows 7 and later versions support setting the hardware clock to
UTC through a registry setting. But with Windows XP the cleanest way
is to use the UTC timezone or disable daylight saving shifts, or use
NTP on each system to keep the system clock correct.


Even the latter may be a problem. I have a Win8 laptop that I
occasionally boot to Sid, and of course it's an hour out back on Win8.


Why don't you set the hardware clock to UTC ?

donde esta debian standard live

[franiortiz hotmail]

Hola a todos
Normalmente para instalar debian voy a las imagenes unofficial+firmware
y desde alli descargo la imagen standard, sin escritorio ni nada, un debian
pelao con solo la consola y a patir de ahi voy instalando los paquetes que 
realmente me interesan y solo esos pero no  veo esa opcion en la nueva version 9
esta es la ultima que tengo: debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-standard+nonfree
un saludo y gracias

Re: name for wireless interface

[David Wright]

On Sat 12 Aug 2017 at 18:38:05 (-0400), Fungi4All wrote:
> > From: pe...@easthope.ca
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > pe...@easthope.ca
> >
> > A TL-WN722N adapter connected to a stretch system gives these results.
> >
> > peter@imager:~$ lsusb | grep Ath
> > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n
> >
> > root@imager:/home/peter# iwlist scan
> > wlxa0f3c10a28f7 Interface doesn"t support scanning : Network is down
> >
> > lo Interface doesn"t support scanning.
> >
> > eth0 Interface doesn"t support scanning.
> >
> > What is the origin of the long name, wlxa0f3c10a28f7?
> > Can a shorter name be assigned?
> 
> I can not help much and I have given up worrying about this madness.
> I have two debian installations, one has been on for years.  The one is
> testing the other unstable and previously have never had problems with
> either one.  Lately neither one has been able to maintain a wifi connection
> for long and takes 2-3' to boot up.  I took J.Johnson's recommendation
> to play around with ifconfig -a and ifconfig wlan0 up from console.
> The first time I run it the interface was listed as wlan0
> The second run it became wlan0mon
> The third it became wlan0monmon
> 
> I barely get enough time to run an update/upgrade on both installation
> and then it is down hill from there.
> 
> NOW
> 
> I have 4 more installations on the same machine, as I keep debian for
> sentimental reasons only.  None of the four different installations have
> had ANY connection problems, same machine, same wifi device, same
> connection.  The two are devuan-based the other two are Arch based.
> NONE have systemd on them, only Debian does.
> 
> You tell me what is wrong.  Setup is about the same, wicd is on all of them.

As usual, there's not much information to go on. I haven't seen
"J.Johnson's recommendation to play around with ifconfig -a and
ifconfig wlan0 up from console" but that sounds a great way to
break a system, particularly if there are some scripts that are
getting executed over and over.

A while back I wrote to you in another thread, "I'm trying to explain
what may have happened under the circumstances that you have presented
us with. You are the one trying to apportion blame, and you've decided
on fsck and grub." Getting a straight description of any problem from
you seems to be very difficult, so I'm not really surprised that no
one has yet taken the bait.

Cheers,
David.

Re: why time in XP is wrong?

[Joe]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:09:19 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 14/08/2017 à 07:11, arne a écrit :
> > 
> > To keep the hardware clock sane and the time correctly
> > displayed by multiple systems they need to agree on which timezone
> > the hardware clock is kept at.  
> 
> Setting the hardware clock to local time with multiple systems is
> broken if the time zone has daylight saving shifts. It cannot work,
> as each system will apply the shift without knowing another already
> did it.
> 
> Windows 7 and later versions support setting the hardware clock to
> UTC through a registry setting. But with Windows XP the cleanest way
> is to use the UTC timezone or disable daylight saving shifts, or use
> NTP on each system to keep the system clock correct.
> 

Even the latter may be a problem. I have a Win8 laptop that I
occasionally boot to Sid, and of course it's an hour out back on Win8.

But it is set to use NTP, however, there seems to be no control over
how often it updates, and it certainly doesn't do it on boot. I always
give up and use the admin password to trigger a sync, as a normal user
can't do it.

This seems to be the most likely answer, basically, add your own
cron-equivalent job to do it independently of the Windows *once* *a*
*week* scheduling.
https://www.pretentiousname.com/timesync/

-- 
Joe

Re: why time in XP is wrong?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 14/08/2017 à 07:11, arne a écrit :


To keep the hardware clock sane and the time correctly
displayed by multiple systems they need to agree on which timezone the
hardware clock is kept at.


Setting the hardware clock to local time with multiple systems is broken 
if the time zone has daylight saving shifts. It cannot work, as each 
system will apply the shift without knowing another already did it.


Windows 7 and later versions support setting the hardware clock to UTC 
through a registry setting. But with Windows XP the cleanest way is to 
use the UTC timezone or disable daylight saving shifts, or use NTP on 
each system to keep the system clock correct.

Re: Buster: problem changing partition size on a RAID 5 array

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 14/08/2017 à 06:32, Gary Dale a écrit :


Disk /dev/md1: 39068861440 sectors, 18.2 TiB
Logical sector size: 512 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): EFF29D11-D982-4933-9B57-B836591DEF02
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 31255089118

 ^
You created a GPT partition table on the md array. When the table is 
created, the first and last usable sector numbers (depending on the 
device size at creation time) are recorded in the GPT header and define 
the total available space. The reason is because before the first 
available sector and after the last available sector are the two copies 
of the partition table. So changing the device size is not enough : you 
need to move the secondary partition table at the new end and adjust the 
last usable sector number.


Neither fdisk nor gdisk let me create a partition larger than the 
existing one. Nor do they let me create a new partition anywhere except 
in the first 2047 sectors.


Because they rely on the GPT header to determine the available space.
With gdisk you could have used the "v" command to verify the disk and 
adjust the partition table to the new size. I don't know if fdisk can do 
it too.


I'm not sure what the problem is that gparted was able to see but fdisk 
and gdisk couldn't and whether this is a bug in mdadm or something else, 
but I thought I should report it somewhere.


In the first place, the bug was to create a partition table on an md 
array. Almost nobody does this and I can see no value in doing it. It is 
useless. If you want to use the whole array as a single volume, don't 
partition it. If you want to create multiple volumes, use LVM as most 
people still do even after md arrays could be partitioned. It is much 
more flexible than partitions.

Re: renommer l'interface réseau

[Jean-Marc]

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:55:14 +0200
JF Straeten  écrivait :

salut la Liste,

> LO,
> 
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:49:38PM +0200, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote:
> 
> > en vérifiant le nom de mon interface réseau, je constate qu'elle
> >  a changé de désignation (enp3s0) comment corriger le tir ?
> > 
> > merci de m'indiquer le fil de discussion 
> 
> C'est voulu sous Stretch, voir ici :
> 
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.fr.html#new-interface-names
> 
> La méthode de retour est décrite aussi.

D'après la doc', je cite : « l'ancienne méthode souffrait de situations de 
compétition pour l’énumération, rendant possible le changement des noms 
d'interfaces de manière inattendue. »

Je pense donc qu'il est préférable de conserver la nouvelle manière de nommer 
les interfaces.

Mais comme d'hab', tout le monde a le choix.

> 
> A+
> -- 
> 
> JFS.
> 


Jean-Marc 


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Re: renommer l'interface réseau

[Frédéric MASSOT]

Le 14/08/2017 à 16:49, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
> bonjour,
> 
> 
> en vérifiant le nom de mon interface réseau, je constate qu'elle
>  a changé de désignation (enp3s0) comment corriger le tir ?
> 
> merci de m'indiquer le fil de discussion 

Tu peux regarder le fichier :

/usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz

Ou :

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/

http://blog.devarieux.net/2015/08/comprendre-la-prediction-de-noms-des-interfaces-reseau-de-systemd/


Le nom des interfaces peut être connus avec :

udevadm info -q all -p /sys/class/net/enp2s0

udevadm info -q all -p /sys/class/net/eth0



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Re: need "newbie level" instructions to file a bug.

[Fungi4All]

> From: butterflyby...@gmail.com
> To: Debian Users 
>
> On 8/13/17, Elton Woo  wrote:
>> Last week at Debconf17, here in Montréal, Debian "Stretch" was installed
>> on my machine during the Installfest. Since then, I have had several lcckups
>> of the system.
>> Machine: Lenovo G50-45, (purchased August 2015). 8 Gb Ram dual booting
>> Windows 8.1 / Debian "Stretch"
>> What happens: Whenever the screen goes to sleep / suspend mode,the system
>> freezes (no response from the mouse or keyboard). My only recourse was to do
>> a dirty shutdown via the power switch.
>> The experts have determined that the consistent firmware crash is related to
>> the drivers of my Qualcomm Atheros network card. Previously, i was able to
>> use the wifi and bluetooth in Mint Linux (see thread here:Atheros QCA6164
>> 0168c:0041 ver20 [SOLVED]
>> | |
>> Atheros QCA6164 0168c:0041 ver20 [SOLVED] - Linux Mint Forums
>> |
>>
>> For the present I am obliged to disable screen timeouts, wifi connections,
>> and use an ethernet cable
>> For DebConf17, I registered with my other email address 
>> and this is the address which I would prefer to use for reporting the bug.
>
> Hi.. I don"t have the answer(s) you need. What I"m doing is
> "commiserating", saying "me, too" here. I actually owe this to a
> different thread on a similar topic. There is at least one more thread
> like this in recent times, and I think there might be more than that.
>
> With respect to reporting this, there"s a Debian package called
> "reportbug". It tries to walk you through the process as painlessly as
> possible considering all the variables involved.
>
> If you decide to use reportbug, you first need to know what package
> you should likely report this against. If we mess up and file against
> a wrong package, the pros on the other end simply redirect the bug to
> where it really belongs.
>
> You"ll go through some multiple choice steps that are geared toward
> determining the severity of the bug. If you get through to actually
> writing up your report, you"ll encounter a temporary template that you
> delete and replace by answering the steps that are addressed in the
> template.
>
> I just deleted everything else that I wrote about mine, and instead I
> have a question about yours. What exactly are you doing to tell yours
> when to hibernate, suspend, go to sleep?
>
> In other words mostly I"m wondering what program or programs you"re
> using, which tabs in those programs if that applies, that kind of
> thing. That"s the kind of thorough detail you would want to put into
> your report when you file it.
>
> Do you have yours setup to make you log back in afterward, or is yours
> supposed to take you straight on in with no password when you wake it
> up?
>
> Your wifi angle there is the first I"ve heard of that one. It"s
> possible someone else has mentioned it and that I just haven"t read
> that yet.
>
> These days, mine"s about the keyboard on a desktop PC that
> theoretically has enough memory, if nothing else. This keyboard glitch
> was on the laptop, too. I"d forgotten about that.
>
> The keyboard becomes 100% USELESS until I use a mouse to send the
> currently active window into the background and then bring it to the
> forefront again. EVERY time. It"s the weirdest glitch.
>
> It was purely by accident that I tripped over that seemingly unrelated
> work-around for it. Only occurs when it I THINK it is technically the
> word, "hibernates".
>
> In a situation where I might not have a mouse or a touchpad, the ONLY
> way I could use this computer again is to do the hard reboot using
> that hardware power on/off button. In other words, even things like my
> fave ALT+F1 Applications menu popup don"t work as an alternative for
> getting to that Log out/Restart option..
>
> Mine"s set up for me to log back in after it "hibernates" (?)/goes
> into "standby"..
>
> Cindy :)
> --
> Cindy-Sue Causey
> Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
>
> * runs with duct tape *

Isn't the first thing a newby needs to do, before they get to reportbug, to set 
up
mail for the system?  If like most of us use webmail or something like 
thunderbird
it will not do.  Alternatively there is a template somewhere in reportbug that 
you
can complete and send as any way you send email.

I can't help you much right now because I am not on Debian, it is broken and 
sick.

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:

If we go with that idea, that would suggest that Google web pages (which, for 
argument's sake, we shall assume have a stable code base) would be dated from 
some months ago, based on when someone "wrote" the page. The date at which the 
google web results page was "written" has no relevancy on the freshness of the 
results.

   I think it has. If I look for something today with Google, the results
   will be today's results. If I print these results to read them later, it's
   relevant to know when they were found, as the same search will give
   different results later (of course, you can tell me that I can
   write myself the date on the paper...)


Similarly, if we take the "date" to be the date the page is rendered, what use 
has that? Can you cite google and say "I was the top search for 
'GoogleWhackBlatts' on Thursday 2nd May"? No, because Google's search results 
are dynamic. You can't look back at the archive to see how google looked the 
day you were born, etc.


I'm not saying that putting a date on "howto" pages, "reamde"s etc is not 
useful. I'm just saying that an "Authored on" date for EVERY web page doesn't 
make sense.


  Yes, the most important is the date of documents, but as a lot of people are
  lazy or dizzy, and they will not put it if they are not obliged. The 
experience
  clearly proves that I'm right.
  If you think that some date useless, you are not obliged to use it.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:21:24 -0300
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > > up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> > > wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd,
> > > and it's nice to have a working firewall...  
> > 
> > The standard Debian initramfs is supposed to handle that, if it is not
> > doing that properly, it is a bug we should fix...
> > 
> 
> Which?

Separate /usr.  The initramfs is supposed to mount it early enough and
then do whatever is required (suck as re-kicking udev, etc) for it to be
equivalent to /usr-in-/ for the rest of the system.

[...]

> As to the separate /usr, I know I can muck about with initrd to get a
> separate /usr mounted during boot, but all things considered, it seemed
> preferable to merge it into /. It was just a pain because it was a

Yes, it is safer.  And recreating filesystems with a newer toolset every
so often is a good idea.  mkfs.xfs in stretch will do on-storage-format
v5, for example, which gives you metadata CRC, d_type, and some other
nice stuff that is not present on on-storage-format v4 used by jessie...

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Brian]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 13:22:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> > I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months after 
> > the Stretch release.
> 
> Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months.
> 
> The answer to that question is simple: it is a wiki, it has not been
> updated because you did not update it. Me neither. Please proceed.

That looked to be a five minute job. Replace the "Overview" section
with the single line "The system initialization process is handled
by systemd" and delete all the links except the one to init(1).

That's until you get to thinking what the purpose of the page is and
look at where it is linked from and what has to be done to make all
the parts form a coherent whole.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> I see. Still, you could perhaps use your trick to "collect" the
> passphrase early.

Even if I could find a convenient way to enter the pass phrase as early
as the bootloader, it cannot happen before the end of the POST, and the
POST is a significant part of the boot time.

Since it is not possible to enter the pass phrase at the very beginning
of the boot, the very end it must be to fulfill my requirements.

> And you are either prey to a God complex (knowing better what's right
> for others) or a helper syndrome. Or both.

What makes you say that? I did not pretend that I know better what is
right for you.

But systemd has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion for now,
and yet you brought it up for no apparent reason.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Bastien Durel a écrit :
> You don't. pam_mount will ask you for your password (after ssh
> authentication) if you didn't provided one

Thanks for the clarification. If you are right, then you probably should
file a bug report for outdated documentation.

But still, "UsePrivilegeSeparation no" is a deal breaker on its own.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Joe]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:21:24 -0300
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh  wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> > wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd,
> > and it's nice to have a working firewall...  
> 
> The standard Debian initramfs is supposed to handle that, if it is not
> doing that properly, it is a bug we should fix...
> 

Which?

I wrote my own firewall pseudo-daemon, long before iptables-persistent,
and although it complied with the dependency-based boot requirements,
systemd could not deal with it. No big deal, iptables-persistent does
the job, but it would have been nice if systemd was happy with the old
script.

As to the separate /usr, I know I can muck about with initrd to get a
separate /usr mounted during boot, but all things considered, it seemed
preferable to merge it into /. It was just a pain because it was a
non-LVM setup with many awkwardly-placed partitions, inherited from a
very old installation. What I actually did was to install Wheezy to a
new hard drive with merged /usr, and run the server with that, then
tried the upgrade on the old drive installed in other hardware. When it
failed to boot, and the boot log threw up several /usr-related errors,
I just went ahead with the merge, after which it booted OK. When I do
upgrade the real Wheezy, /usr is already in /, that's one less problem.

-- 
Joe

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Bastien Durel]

Le lundi 14 août 2017 à 16:17 +0200, Nicolas George a écrit :
> - If you use SSH, you have to adjust /etc/ssh/sshd_config like this:
> 
>   UsePAM yes
>   UsePrivilegeSeparation no
>   ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
>   PasswordAuthentication yes

You don't. pam_mount will ask you for your password (after ssh
authentication) if you didn't provided one

-- 
Bastien

audacity bug

[Daniel Chanow]

I have debian 8.4 with audacity
2.?2( the latest) and it has given
bad sound and then freezed/ crashed with frequent restarts
and recteation of not saved files.

In the past I have tried to file bugs
but the very long lists of very technical questions has been too
impossible to find.If not all questuons are answered there is a
"dummy punishment" that every thing is erased instantly.
This has made me mad.

 Is there a more
automated way? A small program
that will automatically catch hard to
find mumbo jumbo.

Sincerely

Daniel C

Re: renommer l'interface réseau

[JF Straeten]

LO,

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:49:38PM +0200, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote:

> en vérifiant le nom de mon interface réseau, je constate qu'elle
>  a changé de désignation (enp3s0) comment corriger le tir ?
> 
> merci de m'indiquer le fil de discussion 

C'est voulu sous Stretch, voir ici :

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.fr.html#new-interface-names

La méthode de retour est décrite aussi.

A+
-- 

JFS.

renommer l'interface réseau

[bernard . schoenacker]

bonjour,


en vérifiant le nom de mon interface réseau, je constate qu'elle
 a changé de désignation (enp3s0) comment corriger le tir ?

merci de m'indiquer le fil de discussion 

slt
bernard

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> I tend to the other extreme: everything (save /boot) is encrypted,
> as one big (physical, in the LVM sense) volume. Partitions whithin
> it are logical (LVM) volumes. Yes, that's more or less the standard
> Debian way.
> 
> Among other things this gives me peace of mind about (copies of)
> sensitive data hanging around /var (/var/lib/postgresql, for example,
> has a copy of my banking transactions history somewhere).
> 
> This brings the "LUKS question" to the earliest point, namely when
> trying to mount /.

No, it is not the earliest point, it is after the POST, bootloader and
initrd. With my setup, it is approximatively halfway to the full boot,
which makes it the worst possible time for my objective.

> Now SSH... to fulfill that in this setting, the initramfs must have
> some ssh server capability. I've heard that you can bake in dropbear
> SSH in the initramfs, which sounds pretty elegant. Never tried, though.
> 
> Downside would be that now you've got *two* sshd instances to take
> care of, security-wise.

It would also require duplicating the network setup in the initrd:
wpa_supplicant and wifi passwords, OpenVPN and certificates, plus
rebuilding the initrd every time the configuration gets updated. Not
workable.

> No idea about how (or whether) that interacts with systemd (and
> honestly, not very keen on finding out :)

You seem to be suffering from a systemd obsession, maybe you should
consult a therapist about that :-Þ

Thanks for the advice.

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:25:21PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:


updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.


I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
oblige to date in a visible way all web pages.


Which datestamp would you like? The date the page was served? The 
date the page was rendered? The date the page was authored? The date 
the article was authored? The date the software used to render the 
article was authored?


If I write a site that scrapes questions from Stack Overflow for the 
purposes of serving ads alongside (you know the pages I mean), do 
you want me to put my date on there, or Stack Overflow's date?




  I don't think it'so complicated:
  when you write something, you add the date of the day you wrote it.
  when googling, a lot of time is wasted reading obsolete informations..
  Do you imagine newspapers without the date, and people browsing these
  newspapers to find some information on past events?



My point is that while, back in the time Mr Berners-Lee created the web, 
pages used to be created statically, the vast majority of web pages 
these days are dynamic. In the early days, yes. publishing a web page 
was like publishing a news article. You wrote the HTML file, you saved 
that to a web server and you served that page. 

If we go with that idea, that would suggest that Google web pages 
(which, for argument's sake, we shall assume have a stable code base) 
would be dated from some months ago, based on when someone "wrote" the 
page. The date at which the google web results page was "written" has no 
relevancy on the freshness of the results.


Similarly, if we take the "date" to be the date the page is rendered, 
what use has that? Can you cite google and say "I was the top search for 
'GoogleWhackBlatts' on Thursday 2nd May"? No, because Google's search 
results are dynamic. You can't look back at the archive to see how 
google looked the day you were born, etc.


I'm not saying that putting a date on "howto" pages, "reamde"s etc is 
not useful. I'm just saying that an "Authored on" date for EVERY web 
page doesn't make sense.


--
For more information, please reread.


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Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:26:09PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> > I tend to the other extreme [...]

> No, it is not the earliest point [...]

I see. Still, you could perhaps use your trick to "collect" the
passphrase early.

[...]

> It would also require duplicating the network setup in the initrd:

This, OTOH, is definitely more serious, and makes your current
approach more attractive for your use case.

[...]

> You seem to be suffering from a systemd obsession, maybe you should
> consult a therapist about that :-Þ

And you are either prey to a God complex (knowing better what's right
for others) or a helper syndrome. Or both.

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Re: [OT] Valid DKIM signature (Was: Re: I want to rejoice like a queen. Pauline)

[deloptes]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> I have received plenty of spams with valid DKIM signatures. As long as
> you have a domain, adding DKIM is pretty straightforward.

Perhaps one should look into what valid DKIM sig means, perhaps it is not
exactly the same what you understand.

https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205582267-About-SPF-and-DKIM
https://blog.returnpath.com/how-to-explain-dkim-in-plain-english-2/
etc.

it may be valid message but still spam.

regadrs

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Darac Marjal a écrit :
> It sounds to me, then, that you'd like the system to be unencrypted, but
> your home to be encrypted.

Indeed, that is exactly what I have now.

>You want to look into PAM, which I'm sure can do
> this. With PAM, the system would come up and all the system daemons would
> start. Towards the end of that (or perhaps earlier, depending on the
> dependencies), login methods (getty / x-display-manager / sshd / etc) would
> become available. You'd log in on one of those and PAM would ensure that
> your home is decrypted as part of the session start-up.
> 
> A quick google suggests that pam_mount is your friend here. I *think* that
> pam_mount should be able to mount other directories (as well as home), so if
> you have a media partition that you'd like mounted, that can be done.

Thanks for the pointer. Unfortunately:

- If you use SSH, you have to adjust /etc/ssh/sshd_config like this:

  UsePAM yes
  UsePrivilegeSeparation no
  ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
  PasswordAuthentication yes

The second and last point are both deal breakers on their own. Plus,
glimpsing at the rest of the documentation, I do not see how it is
better than mounting the partition from the session's startup scripts.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:


updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.


 I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
 oblige to date in a visible way all web pages.


Which datestamp would you like? The date the page was served? The date the 
page was rendered? The date the page was authored? The date the article was 
authored? The date the software used to render the article was authored?


If I write a site that scrapes questions from Stack Overflow for the purposes 
of serving ads alongside (you know the pages I mean), do you want me to put my 
date on there, or Stack Overflow's date?




   I don't think it'so complicated:
   when you write something, you add the date of the day you wrote it.
   when googling, a lot of time is wasted reading obsolete informations..
   Do you imagine newspapers without the date, and people browsing these
   newspapers to find some information on past events?

Re: no /etc/inittab

[deloptes]

Erik Christiansen wrote:

> Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
> finding which package that might be in.
> 

$ dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig
net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig

should be installed manually as it is no longer part of the base system

... and I thought I learned about systemd too late ... this made my day

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd, and
> it's nice to have a working firewall...

The standard Debian initramfs is supposed to handle that, if it is not
doing that properly, it is a bug we should fix...

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: need help on audio recording

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> 
> C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
> what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
> to be here. Reading docs is sometimes difficult, even for me (and
> I was born in a language which is most probably neighbour to yours
> and neighbour to our current common English).
> 

I wasn't unfriendly at all. The point is you can read from the question at
what level this OP is. So as Ric Moore said, mutual respect is expected, in
my world you get what you asked for. Stupid questions get stupid answers
etc.

> If you don't have the time (or the knowledge) to answer, just don't.
> If you have (and you often have, and your contribs here are really
> good), do.
> 

The point is the guy should read manuals, and as he later mentioned he would
try rather BSD if he had to read manuals. This attitude can not be
tolerated. We all are busy and at least I do not want to do someones
homework especially if he/she is being lazy, especially if these are
basics, described and commented on tausand places in the net.

> But please, don't pour sarcasm on people who (pretty obviously)
> aren't ill-intentioned, just struggling with a daunting cultural
> chasm. Pretty please.
> 

Agree, I hope Long Wind got my message anyway. I also spent hours of reading
documentation. There wasn't the internet as it is today, so I expect when
someone asks something to show at least the attitude of willing to learn
and not complaining why this and why that is difficult. It is difficult if
you don't understand or know. Knowledge and understanding make things easy.

And regarding cultural differencies, I spent a lot of time learning english
and my mother language is far from english, well it is still indoeuropean,
but it cost a lot of time and money to bring it at the level it is now, so
again, respect the others, their time and their knowledge should be a must
and I could not read anything of this in Long Wings question.
Some poor guy who discovered Linux, wants to do something  well ... some
people may be better use windows or no computer at all.

> (And tell *me* whenever I do the same: I'm far from perfect in that
> department and can use some feedback too :)
> 

I admit that I am not that tolerant, but I did not expect you to comment on
my post.

regards

Re: [OT] Valid DKIM signature (Was: Re: I want to rejoice like a queen. Pauline)

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Dom, 13 Ago 2017, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:

By the way the mail got valid DKIM signature. Please explain to me why
the mail is here. It's odd. Please Please Please ...


I have received plenty of spams with valid DKIM signatures. As long as  
you have a domain, adding DKIM is pretty straightforward. It can be  
used to detect fake forgeries (a spammer sending an email claiming to  
be from @paypal.com, for instance), but it doesn't really help with  
spam detection if it's j...@buymycrappyproducts.com sending unsolicited  
emails advertising his crappy products.


--
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Re: [Debian-br-gud-rs] Home Banking e Debian

[Andre Felipe Machado]

Olá,
O Banco do Brasil possui módulo warsaw  Diebold pré empacotado para Debian 64 
bits que funciona bem, instalando as dependências que falharem, se for o caso.
Já o pacote deb de 32 bits estava errado uns meses atrás e tive de acionar 
suporte. Enfatizei que a versão 64 bits funcionava corretamente mas a 32 bits 
não.
Enviaram um link direto no site BB de um pacote (beta?) 32 bits que funcionou. 
Não sei se a versão  32 bits atual no site público já está corrigida.
Atenção: ainda NÂO FUNCIONA com Debian 9.x, APENAS com debian 8.x.
Está listado no site do BB a compatibilidade com Debian 8.7 e é isso mesmo. Não 
funciona no 9.x ainda.

Boa sorte.
André Felipe



José Antônio de Figueiredo  wrote ..
> Caros, bom dia.
>
> Venho pedir conselhos com relação aos problemas com sistemas de home
> banking atualmente. Navegadores sem suporte ao Java...
>
> Gostaria de conhecer quais tem sido as soluções utilizadas pelos amigos
> para acesso aos sistemas dos bancos?  Principalmente Banrisul
>
> * 'feliz' Debian Day a todos os envolvidos...
>
>
> --
> José de Figueiredo
> Seja Livre, use GNU/Linux. Use Debian !!!
> 
> Antes de autorizar um aborto, pense que poderia ser vc lá dentro,
> esperando alguém decidir se vc morre ou não...
> http://www.brasilsemaborto.com.br/
> 

SV: Hej! Vill du hälsa? Nora

[Martin Saadio]

Hej, är detta en riktig mail? 

Den torsdag, 3 augusti 2017 17:17 skrev Nora Veerabathran 
:
 

 

Låt oss prata nu. 
http://bitly.com/2u4F0vO

   

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:


updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.


 I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
 oblige to date in a visible way all web pages.


Which datestamp would you like? The date the page was served? The date 
the page was rendered? The date the page was authored? The date the 
article was authored? The date the software used to render the article 
was authored?


If I write a site that scrapes questions from Stack Overflow for the 
purposes of serving ads alongside (you know the pages I mean), do you 
want me to put my date on there, or Stack Overflow's date?


I'm thinking we might need to raise an RFC here, for proper clarity.

--
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Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:


updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.


  I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
  oblige to date in a visible way all web pages.

Re: Home Banking e Debian

[Juscelino Cordeiro]

Mas essa solução tem um problema que eh de usar um navegador desatualizado. 
Ficando assim vulnerável a alguns problemas de segurança.

> Em 13 de ago de 2017, às 22:41, José Antônio de Figueiredo 
>  escreveu:
> 
> Juscelino, boa
> 
> ah. boa que ideia... testei... com 51 não foi.. funcionou com a versão
> 50, ultimo java e pcscd para leitora de cartão. Consegui rodar.
> 
> Muito obrigado mesmo, pois estava as voltas com máquina virtual e outras
> tentativas falhas para fazer acesso ao banrisul.
> 
> Agora fiquei com um firefox (na versão 50) apenas para banrisul... a
> versão mais atualizada fica para navegação normal.
> 
> vale observar que é preciso desativar o recurso de atualização
> automática do navegador, porque senão automaticamente ele se atualiza e
> vc perde o 'ambiente'.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13-08-2017 17:19, Juscelino Cordeiro wrote:
>> Eu tenho utilizado uma versao do firefox, se nao me engano eh a 51, que 
>> baixei direto do site. Ele ainda suporta o java. 
>> 
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>> 
>>> Em 13 de ago de 2017, às 12:02, José Antônio de Figueiredo 
>>>  escreveu:
>>> 
>>> Caros, bom dia.
>>> 
>>> Venho pedir conselhos com relação aos problemas com sistemas de home
>>> banking atualmente. Navegadores sem suporte ao Java...
>>> 
>>> Gostaria de conhecer quais tem sido as soluções utilizadas pelos amigos
>>> para acesso aos sistemas dos bancos?  Principalmente Banrisul
>>> 
>>> * 'feliz' Debian Day a todos os envolvidos...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> José de Figueiredo
>>> Seja Livre, use GNU/Linux. Use Debian !!!
>>> 
>>> Antes de autorizar um aborto, pense que poderia ser vc lá dentro,
>>> esperando alguém decidir se vc morre ou não...
>>> http://www.brasilsemaborto.com.br/
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> José de Figueiredo
> Seja Livre, use GNU/Linux. Use Debian !!!
> 
> Antes de autorizar um aborto, pense que poderia ser vc lá dentro,
> esperando alguém decidir se vc morre ou não...
> http://www.brasilsemaborto.com.br/
> 
> 

Re: need help on audio recording

[Long Wind]

Thank tomas!
but the point isn't culture gapi can read all documentation
but if i have to read so many manuals as suggested by some useri'd rather try 
bsd

it turns out that the problem is with IGain
Thanks to all those who reply!

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Joe]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:04:19 +0200
Nicolas George  wrote:

> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Joe a écrit :
> > Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> > Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
> > system used, thus breaking almost every Debian server in the
> > world.  
> 
> I must be lucky, none of the servers that I handle broke because of
> that.

I upgraded a Sid to use systemd, and I've tried upgrading a backup of
my Wheezy server. Both broke quite badly, neither was bootable, though
both were repairable. I gave up with the unstable, it wasn't worth
chasing down all the minor problems, so I reinstalled with systemd added
at an early stage. An unstable installation is, by definition,
expendable.

I believe I have the server backup OK on Squeeze now, but I'm working
up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd, and
it's nice to have a working firewall...

> 
> > The problem, as Erik says, is that the interface to large chunks of
> > *nix is continuously changing, and surprise, surprise, instructions
> > for fixing problems are almost all out of date and useless.  
> 
> Well, writing documentation is not fun. It is necessary, but almost
> always neglected. I do not think it is significantly better on the
> proprietary side of the barrier, but not with the same kind of flaws
> ("to print the document, use the 'print' menu").
> 

Yes, I know... but a bit more backward compatibility would help a lot.
Sound seems to have settled somewhat now, but there were at least ten
years of regular breakage, with nearly all of the information out there
being non-applicable. The official documentation almost never helps
when something breaks (with a few notable exceptions, which I cannot
currently bring to mind), we're reliant on other people who have fixed
the same problem. It's this unofficial documentation which never gets
updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.

-- 
Joe

Re: Why debian put ~/bin beginning of $PATH

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2017-08-09 03:11:48 +0800, spp mg wrote:
> In the ~/.profile has below default setting:
> 
> --
> # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
> if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
> PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
> fi
> --
> 
> Why put ~/bin beginning ? Is that dangerous ?

No, it's the opposite that is potentially dangerous. For instance,
you install some executable foo in your ~/bin, so that you can run
just "foo". Then, imagine that after some system upgrade or package
installation, a new executable "foo" gets installed somewhere in
the system path. So, when you run "foo", it will no longer be your
executable, but the system one, and if this executable is destructive,
you may lose data...

It is "." that must never be put in front of the path. Putting it
at the end might be OK, but this is not even recommended, due to
the above issue and also because you may run a wrong executable by
mistake.

-- 
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Joe a écrit :
> Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
> system used, thus breaking almost every Debian server in the world.

I must be lucky, none of the servers that I handle broke because of
that.

> The problem, as Erik says, is that the interface to large chunks of
> *nix is continuously changing, and surprise, surprise, instructions
> for fixing problems are almost all out of date and useless.

Well, writing documentation is not fun. It is necessary, but almost
always neglected. I do not think it is significantly better on the
proprietary side of the barrier, but not with the same kind of flaws
("to print the document, use the 'print' menu").

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: testing, upgrade of openssl libssl1.1 ( 1.1.0f-3 => 1.1.0f-4 )

[Stephan Seitz]

On Mo, Aug 14, 2017 at 08:02:40 -0400, songbird wrote:

 may break your getting of mail process.
(i'm using getmail).

 luckily downgrading the two packages restores
things to working again.

 no time right now for me to find the magic
words to fiddle with to allow this to go
through.


As announced the new version of openssl has disabled TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 
leaving only TLSv1.2.

So if you have an old server without TLSv1.2, you can’t connect anymore.

Shade and sweet water!

Stephan

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Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:


What the *nix world *really* needs is a worm to locate all old
documentation on the Net, and at the very least, mark it OBSOLETE in
very big letters.


  I entirely agree, but if there is no available worm, it is a full-time job...


best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

testing, upgrade of openssl libssl1.1 ( 1.1.0f-3 => 1.1.0f-4 )

[songbird]

  fyi,

  may break your getting of mail process.
(i'm using getmail).

  luckily downgrading the two packages restores
things to working again.

  no time right now for me to find the magic
words to fiddle with to allow this to go
through.


  songbird

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Joe]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:09:24 +0200 (CEST)
Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> 

> >
> > It's fine to add new stuff to *nix, but the user interface for
> > existing stuff has to remain, or it's not worth a biscuit. (c.f.
> > postfix, which provides a sendmail-style interface for us
> > old-timers.)  
> 
> thanks Erik for your explanations, but actually I see no good reason
> to revert to sysinit. I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is
> not updated, 2 months after the Stretch release.
> 

Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
system used, thus breaking almost every Debian server in the world.

What the *nix world *really* needs is a worm to locate all old
documentation on the Net, and at the very least, mark it OBSOLETE in
very big letters.

The problem, as Erik says, is that the interface to large chunks of
*nix is continuously changing, and surprise, surprise, instructions
for fixing problems are almost all out of date and useless.

Particularly sound. And Grub. And the various suspends. And... 

-- 
Joe

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Nicolas George wrote:


Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months.


   all the Jessie systems I know actually have /etc/iniitab and 
/etc/init.d/rc...


The answer to that question is simple: it is a wiki, it has not been
updated because you did not update it. Me neither. Please proceed.


   I naively thought that Debian developpers took care of that...

   Luckily, there is a full set of documentation at https://www.debian.org/doc/

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> thanks Erik for your explanations, but actually I see no good reason to 
> revert to sysinit.

If you trust the Debian developers who made the choice to switch to
systemd over random advice on the mailing-list, you indeed have no
reason to revert.

> I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months after the 
> Stretch release.

Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months.

The answer to that question is simple: it is a wiki, it has not been
updated because you did not update it. Me neither. Please proceed.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: "[Off-topic] Modem USB sin tty"

[Cristian Mitchell]

El 13 ago. 2017 3:21 PM,  escribió:

 Hola a todos.

Estoy conectando un teléfono Galaxy Ace en modo download, supuestamente
tiene que ser detectado como un modem, y así lo hace: udev detecta un
modem USB 1.0, carga el módulo cdc_acm, pero no genera un dispositivo
ttyACM, si enciendo el teléfono lo enciendo en otro modo, debug, si
genera el ttyACM.

He probado en testing, en stable versión 9, incluso en Ubuntu; he
probado a desactivar ModemManager tal y como he visto en alguna
sugerencia, y siempre con el mismo resultado.

Bueno, lo marco como Off-topic, tengo la impresión que es algún
comportamiento de Linux con este dispositivo concreto.

Saludos y gracias de antemano


P.S. Estoy utilizando la interfaz web de mi correo, le he marcado para
texto, pero no estoy seguro del resultado.



Si cambiando el modo cambia la configuración de Linux, la lógica dicta que
el problema es el teléfono, o la documentación que estás usando

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Erik Christiansen wrote:


Yup, but it hasn't missed you. We no longer run Linux, but rather, Systemdix.
In Debian, systemd is inexorably replacing swathes of traditional *nix
functionality which we have over several decades learnt to use and rely
on. With Systemdix, we not only acquire a M$-style impenetrable
monolithic kitchen sink, but lose the interfaces with which we are
familiar.

My Debian 7.8 machine still has /etc/inittab, but the new 9.0 machine
doesn't. AIUI, though, it is not necessary to go back to the old
versions, as it is possible to replace systemd in stretch with a sysv package.
In fact, the first hit for "debian stretch sysvinit" is "Debian Stretch
- Without Systemd" Jackpot!

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch

Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
finding which package that might be in.

It's fine to add new stuff to *nix, but the user interface for existing
stuff has to remain, or it's not worth a biscuit. (c.f. postfix, which
provides a sendmail-style interface for us old-timers.)


thanks Erik for your explanations, but actually I see no good reason to revert 
to sysinit.
I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months after the 
Stretch release.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: no /etc/inittab

[Erik Christiansen]

On 14.08.17 11:43, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi everybody,
> I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
> live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
> all the documentation I found still mentions it, For example, from the Debian 
> wiki:
> 
> The system initialization process is handled by the init daemon.
>   The ?/etc/inittab configuration tells init what to do. Especially it 
> contains the lines :
> 
> Nevertheless, the boot seems to work corectly without it, and without 
> /etc/init.d/rc.
> Does that means that the Debian wiki is out of date, or did I miss something?

Yup, but it hasn't missed you. We no longer run Linux, but rather, Systemdix.
In Debian, systemd is inexorably replacing swathes of traditional *nix
functionality which we have over several decades learnt to use and rely
on. With Systemdix, we not only acquire a M$-style impenetrable
monolithic kitchen sink, but lose the interfaces with which we are
familiar.

My Debian 7.8 machine still has /etc/inittab, but the new 9.0 machine
doesn't. AIUI, though, it is not necessary to go back to the old
versions, as it is possible to replace systemd in stretch with a sysv package.
In fact, the first hit for "debian stretch sysvinit" is "Debian Stretch
- Without Systemd" Jackpot!

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch

Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
finding which package that might be in.

It's fine to add new stuff to *nix, but the user interface for existing
stuff has to remain, or it's not worth a biscuit. (c.f. postfix, which
provides a sendmail-style interface for us old-timers.)

Erik

Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:27:00AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I have been using LUKS to encrypt part of my system, with a rather
> unusual setup, and I would like to ask for advice on making it more
> standard without sacrificing my requirements.

[...]

> - The system partitions are not encrypted. The partitions containing
>   personal data are encrypted using LUKS.

I tend to the other extreme: everything (save /boot) is encrypted,
as one big (physical, in the LVM sense) volume. Partitions whithin
it are logical (LVM) volumes. Yes, that's more or less the standard
Debian way.

Among other things this gives me peace of mind about (copies of)
sensitive data hanging around /var (/var/lib/postgresql, for example,
has a copy of my banking transactions history somewhere).

This brings the "LUKS question" to the earliest point, namely when
trying to mount /.

Now SSH... to fulfill that in this setting, the initramfs must have
some ssh server capability. I've heard that you can bake in dropbear
SSH in the initramfs, which sounds pretty elegant. Never tried, though.

Downside would be that now you've got *two* sshd instances to take
care of, security-wise.

No idea about how (or whether) that interacts with systemd (and
honestly, not very keen on finding out :)

Perhaps you knew all of this, but perhaps this gives you some ideas.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: Unusual LUKS setup

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:27:00AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

Hi.

I have been using LUKS to encrypt part of my system, with a rather
unusual setup, and I would like to ask for advice on making it more
standard without sacrificing my requirements.

My requirements are:

- Protect me from casual invasions of my privacy in case the computer
 were stolen.

- Being able to unlock the system remotely through SSH.

- Minimize the duration of the second-longest interval between required
 manual operation during boot.

 Which translate in practice by: minimize the time between the first
 interaction I must have with Linux and the moment I have an usable
 session.

- Minimize the number of keystrokes required during boot.

The second point requires an explanation. Like many people, in the
morning I switch on this computer with the following sequence: start the
boot, go take care of physiological needs, finish the boot. During the
longest part of the boot, I am somewhere else, hence my focus on the
second longest part. Since the duration of the POST is incompressible,
the longest part of the boot is usually the time between pressing the
power button and the first interaction required by Linux.


It sounds to me, then, that you'd like the system to be unencrypted, but 
your home to be encrypted. You want to look into PAM, which I'm sure can 
do this. With PAM, the system would come up and all the system daemons 
would start. Towards the end of that (or perhaps earlier, depending on 
the dependencies), login methods (getty / x-display-manager / sshd / 
etc) would become available. You'd log in on one of those and PAM would 
ensure that your home is decrypted as part of the session start-up. 

A quick google suggests that pam_mount is your friend here. I *think* 
that pam_mount should be able to mount other directories (as well as 
home), so if you have a media partition that you'd like mounted, that 
can be done.



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Unusual LUKS setup

[Nicolas George]

Hi.

I have been using LUKS to encrypt part of my system, with a rather
unusual setup, and I would like to ask for advice on making it more
standard without sacrificing my requirements.

My requirements are:

- Protect me from casual invasions of my privacy in case the computer 
  were stolen.

- Being able to unlock the system remotely through SSH.

- Minimize the duration of the second-longest interval between required
  manual operation during boot.

  Which translate in practice by: minimize the time between the first
  interaction I must have with Linux and the moment I have an usable
  session.
  
- Minimize the number of keystrokes required during boot.

The second point requires an explanation. Like many people, in the
morning I switch on this computer with the following sequence: start the
boot, go take care of physiological needs, finish the boot. During the
longest part of the boot, I am somewhere else, hence my focus on the
second longest part. Since the duration of the POST is incompressible,
the longest part of the boot is usually the time between pressing the
power button and the first interaction required by Linux.

My current solution to achieve this consists in the following steps:

- The system partitions are not encrypted. The partitions containing
  personal data are encrypted using LUKS.
  
- I have a shell script that asks me for the passphrase once and uses it
  to unlock all the partitions, and I have configured sudo to be able to
  run that script without authentication.
  
- I have a minimalistic home on the system partition with a SSH key that
  allows me to log in, and a shell startup file that automatically runs
  the shell script to unlock.
  
- I also have an user with an empty password whose login shell is a
  script that invokes the shell script to unlock.
  
- I have configured systemd to only launch xdm when the partitions have
  been unlocked.
  
With the following scheme, the system boots fully automatically and
becomes functional, except the personal data is not mounted. I can log
in through SSH and unlock and mount it. Or I can log in on the text
console to unlock and mount it, and then wait a few seconds for xdm to
start.

It all works rather well, but I wonder if there are more supported ways
of achieving the same result.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

no /etc/inittab

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi everybody,
I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
all the documentation I found still mentions it, For example, from the Debian 
wiki:

The system initialization process is handled by the init daemon.
  The ?/etc/inittab configuration tells init what to do. Especially it contains 
the lines :

Nevertheless, the boot seems to work corectly without it, and without 
/etc/init.d/rc.
Does that means that the Debian wiki is out of date, or did I miss something?

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: why audio recording is so hard in Linux

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 02:44:10PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:11:31AM +, Long Wind wrote:
> > even simple task like recording from line in can't be donethough i try very 
> > hard
> > mencoder has many advanced featuresall seem useless
> > 
> > maybe alsa is at fault??or because of poor documentation?
> > i had used openbsd, it's 
> > easyhttps://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#confaudiomaybe i shall switch to 
> > bsd
> 
> This is probably a side effect of (lack of) familiarity, combined
> with your penchant for command line Ultimate Control (TM)(C)(R) (I
> too share this penchant :)

Exactly. Much and varied choice

 - plain ALSA + command line (that's how I swing)
 - Pulse Audio on top of ALSA + command line
 - some GUI program on top of that
 - full desktop goodness (e.g. gstreamer and GUIs
   on top of *that*
   ...

Choice is good, but not always easy :)

Add to that that the above "variants" (which are just a lame attempt
from me at categorizing the vast field) come from different epochs
and cater to different folks. From time to time someone thinks again
his/her Way is the True Way and tries to eliminate everything else
(I call that the Highlander Syndrome). Luckily, that doesn't seem
to suceed 100% most of the times.

As to mencoder (part of the mplayer suite): good choice. Very powerful.
But difficult to learn and use.

Cheers
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Re: need help on audio recording

[Ric Moore]

On 08/14/2017 05:06 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 09:23:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:


Perhaps I start offering babysitting for hire.


[other unnecessary borderline abuse elided]

C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
to be here. 


He has been asked to respect the group norm, more than once, and cease 
top-posting. Mutual respect goes a long ways in tech support. If you 
want respect you give respect. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: Help with USB audio card

[Curt]

On 2017-08-14, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
>
>> How do I choose the one I want?  Each of them has a red button with a check
>> in it, but nothing changes if I click on them...
>
>
> ...Sorry, a green button, not red...

Right.

I have successfully recorded my speaking voice using a usb sound device
(webcam, but that's all I got) with audacity.

So you attach your usb dongle and plug in your microphone (turn it on, if it
turns on), then open audacity.

There are two microphone icons with drop down menus on the toolbar in
audacity. Next to the lower left microphone icon, I selected 'USB
Device' (hw:2,0) in the drop down menu.  The mic's mono so no choice
there for me. 

For the upper right mic icon select 'start monitoring' in the drop down
menu. Now when you make a sound into the microphone the red monitoring
meter should hop to the right. If that doesn't happen you can stop right
there because something is wrong that must be fixed first. No meter
movement--no sound input detected; you will end up with another empty
wav. 

Press red button to record.

> Rodolfo
>
>


-- 
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Hunter."
— African proverb

Re: why audio recording is so hard in Linux

[Ric Moore]

On 08/14/2017 03:27 AM, Michael Lange wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:31 + (UTC)
Long Wind  wrote:


even simple task like recording from line in can't be donethough i try
very hard mencoder has many advanced featuresall seem useless


have you checked if your sound card's IGain is muted or set to a very low
level? Here I can set "Line" as capture device but the recording level is
determined only by the setting of "IGain". These things may differ from
card to card though, so I'd recommend to use alsamixer or the gui-mixer of
your choice to check the settings of the other mixer lines.


Pulse audio sits on top of alsa. Use alsamixer to select the sound 
source (f6) and check that the input is not muted. If you see 'mm' it is 
muted so hit the 'm' key to unmute it ( you should see '00') then raise 
it's volume level to max using the up-arrow key. Hit 'esc' to exit. Then 
use pavucontrol open the 'configuration' tab then select the sound 
device. If it has stereo speakers then select stereo plus analog mono 
input. Check the input devices tab to select your desired input device. 
Leave this open and started your graphical recording app. Start 
recording and check the recoding tab on pavucontrol. You should see the 
audio level flickering.


Keep in mind that this is how stock audio is installed to Debian. If you 
are following ten year old alsa setups of config files from the net, you 
will be stuck and virtually punching alsa repeatedly in the face. Using 
pulse you can have many sound input devices and you can select between 
them on the fly.


I have five sound devices and I use pavucontrol to disable three of them 
leaving my USB 7.1 sound system to be output only and my USB headphones 
to be stereo and analog mono input. Click click, dead simple. Again, if 
alsamixer isn't set correctly, pulse doesn't stand a chance. Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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Re: need help on audio recording

[tomas]

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 09:23:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I start offering babysitting for hire. 

[other unnecessary borderline abuse elided]

C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
to be here. Reading docs is sometimes difficult, even for me (and
I was born in a language which is most probably neighbour to yours
and neighbour to our current common English).

If you don't have the time (or the knowledge) to answer, just don't.
If you have (and you often have, and your contribs here are really
good), do.

But please, don't pour sarcasm on people who (pretty obviously)
aren't ill-intentioned, just struggling with a daunting cultural
chasm. Pretty please.

(And tell *me* whenever I do the same: I'm far from perfect in that
department and can use some feedback too :)

Thanks
- -- tomás
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Re: why audio recording is so hard in Linux

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:31 + (UTC)
Long Wind  wrote:

> even simple task like recording from line in can't be donethough i try
> very hard mencoder has many advanced featuresall seem useless

have you checked if your sound card's IGain is muted or set to a very low
level? Here I can set "Line" as capture device but the recording level is
determined only by the setting of "IGain". These things may differ from
card to card though, so I'd recommend to use alsamixer or the gui-mixer of
your choice to check the settings of the other mixer lines.

Regards

Michael

> 
> maybe alsa is at fault??or because of poor documentation?
> i had used openbsd, it's
> easyhttps://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#confaudiomaybe i shall
> switch to bsd
> 
> 



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Re: need help on audio recording

[deloptes]

Perhaps I start offering babysitting for hire. 

"never be able to see sound wave in audacityeven after making choices by
click this or that button"

Long Wind definitely did not read the manual :)

Long Wind needs to learn how to learn and perhaps that there are manual
pages

Long Wind needs to do his/her homework

regards

Re: why audio recording is so hard in Linux

[deloptes]

Long Wind wrote:

> even simple task like recording from line in can't be donethough i try
> very hard mencoder has many advanced featuresall seem useless
> 
> maybe alsa is at fault??or because of poor documentation?
> i had used openbsd, it's
> easyhttps://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#confaudiomaybe i shall switch
> to bsd


don't know about you, I have never had a problem with it, so your problem
must be operator and not device problem.
It takes time to find your way, do not give up.

regards

Re: Valid DKIM signature

[deloptes]

Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:

> Dear deloptes,
> 
> deloptes  께서 쓰시길,
>  《記事 全文  에서》:
> 
>> It should have been more proper to start a new thread.
>>
>> X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=5.21 tagged_above=-1 required=5.3
>> tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1,
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25,
>> FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT=0.25,
>> HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,
>> RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
>>
>> This is the reason why it passed. It was scored 5.21 while 5.3 was
>> required to flag it
> 
> It sould be increase more HTML_MESSAGE score, i think.
>  

or more properly configured

X-policyd-weight: NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 NOT_IN_BL_NJABL=-1.5
CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .yahoo. -
helo: .sonic323-31.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo. - helo-domain: .yahoo.) 
FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2; rate: -7

and last but not least, add some component that can be trained at regular
bases

regards

Re: Help with USB audio card

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> How do I choose the one I want?  Each of them has a red button with a check
> in it, but nothing changes if I click on them...


...Sorry, a green button, not red...

Rodolfo