Bookworm and ZFS (zfs-dkms 2.1.11) data corruption bug

[Jan Ingvoldstad]

Hi,

It seems that Bookworm's zfs-dkms package (from contrib) has the data
corruption bug that was fixed with OpenZFS 2.1.14 (and 2.2.2) on 2023-11-30.

https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases/tag/zfs-2.1.14

However, I see no relevant bug report in the bug tracker - have my
searching skills failed?

-- 
Jan

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 21:09:54 +
Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote:

Hello Michael,

>Alternatively, they also offer SanDisk SDXC 128 GB memory cards at $14
>a piece. One such will easily hold 1000 CDs at near-CD quality MP3.

Depends;  I ended up buying three smaller sticks, because the
limitations of the file system meant that the File Allocation Table
got filled up wy before the larger capacity memory sticks did.  I
would point out that, since the sticks were bought for use in my car,
reformatting to ext4 (for example) was not an option.

Even with the smaller sticks, I had to use all upper case, and stick to
8.3 names for the files, otherwise the FAT still got overloaded.

Of course, if you're going to reformat the sticks then the foregoing
issues are moot.

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Re: dmesg reporting lots of errors apparently emanating from a Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller ...

[Albretch Mueller]

On 1/6/24, Albretch Mueller  wrote:
>  I may not even have an NVMe card in my computer as the manufacturer
> claims.

 My DELL Inspiron 5593 actually does have a M.2 512GB KIOXIA NVMe SSD,
which I need to use! The problem, as I described here without getting
a solution for it:

// __ I cannot change BIOS settings on my laptop?

 
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/i-cannot-change-bios-settings-on-my-laptop.3833102/
~
 is that I can't access/change the BIOS settings on my own laptop to
make the hdd work in AHCI mode, I think. I have also read that Debian
Linux has problems operating such cards:

https://superuser.com/questions/1502756/debian-not-detecting-nvme-asus-zenbook-ux430ua

I purchased a Dell XPS 8930 with an NVMe dirve. Debian and Fedora did
not recognize the NVMe. I had to use Ubuntu 18.04 for the drive to be
recognized. I'm not sure what Ubuntu is doing that Debian is not, but
I suspect it has something to do with updates. Debian tends to stick
with old and broken software. They will not upgrade for users. – jww
Nov 23, 2019 at 4:28
~
 You may know how to deal with such problems, better than I do, since
I don't tend to mind the intricate technical details about computer
hardware, even though I understand well the physics in them.

 Every piece of computer hardware my paranoia uses seems to have a
mind of its own. I have decided to not use computers (do all the
writing by hand on paper), but the data processing and algorithmic
basis of my paper I have to do on a computer.

 Any suggestions?

 lbrtchx

Re: Changing keyboard layout fails

[Russell L. Harris]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:28:07PM -0500, David Niklas wrote:

Hello,
I installed debian, 12.4.0 on 2 laptops.
One of them, a 2023 ASUS Zenbook 15" 7735U, I cannot change the keyboard
mapping on. Changing it on the other works like a charm. I initially set
them up as dvorak, for my own ease, and now I want it to be qwerty. I have
temporarily worked around the problem by using setxkbmap.

I followed the guide here: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard , using as
root,

# dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
# service keyboard-setup restart
# udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change

In the config files, I can see the correct values in
/etc/default/keyboard

Having worked with Gentoo Linux at one point in time, I read their guide.
Based on that info, I checked /etc/vconsole.conf and adjusted it from
dvorak to qwerty without effect.

I also tried (un)setting dvoark and qwerty layouts including doing
multiple reboots without effect. I also tried installing the console-data
package which was recommended elsewhere and set qwerty layout without
effect.

I'm flat out of ideas as to why the keyboard layout will not change.

Anyone know how to change the keyboard layout on Debian?


With Debian 12 amd64 and xfce, I use the APPLICATIONS > SETTINGS >
KEYBOARD .

Sometimes with previous Debian releases it has been necessary to
monkey a bit with the LAYOUT menu (move up, move down, delete, add)
to effect the change within the current session (without log out or
restart).

I use the American "Dvorak Classic" layout, in which the upper numeric
key row  conforms to the original Dvorak layout.

RLH

Changing keyboard layout fails

[David Niklas]

Hello,
I installed debian, 12.4.0 on 2 laptops.
One of them, a 2023 ASUS Zenbook 15" 7735U, I cannot change the keyboard
mapping on. Changing it on the other works like a charm. I initially set
them up as dvorak, for my own ease, and now I want it to be qwerty. I have
temporarily worked around the problem by using setxkbmap.

I followed the guide here: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard , using as
root,

# dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
# service keyboard-setup restart
# udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change

In the config files, I can see the correct values in
/etc/default/keyboard

Having worked with Gentoo Linux at one point in time, I read their guide.
Based on that info, I checked /etc/vconsole.conf and adjusted it from
dvorak to qwerty without effect.

I also tried (un)setting dvoark and qwerty layouts including doing
multiple reboots without effect. I also tried installing the console-data
package which was recommended elsewhere and set qwerty layout without
effect.

I'm flat out of ideas as to why the keyboard layout will not change.





Anyone know how to change the keyboard layout on Debian?

Thanks!

Re: Donate money

[gene heskett]

On 1/8/24 18:11, John Hasler wrote:

David writes:

The way they would withhold payments as not going to approved entities
by the powers that be has forced me into believing they are more of an
information gathering utility disguised as a financial one.  If you
undertake to act as a medium in a financial transaction, that's what
you do.


They have to comply with the (vaguely worded) law if they want to stay
in business.  I doubt that they like it any more than we do.


You don't put through some transactions and not others, simply because
they are heading to an Assange fund or some other entity not currently
approved of by American foreign policy preference.


The "know your customer" regulations are by no means a US-only
phenomena.  It's supposed to prevent "money laundering".

My point is that these things are mostly subjective and not stated in 
the TOS. If not stated in the TOS, its some idiotic MBA's idea of 
security.  That little personal preference actually cost us around 
250,000 USD, you can't bill for a commercial that didn't play on the 
contracted schedule. IMO they do not get a 2nd chance at such idiocy. 
That card # was a company card & had a good million or more behind it.


I've sold a couple things on ebay, yonks ago, but have never collected a 
penny because that site has never been given to me so I could arrange a 
transfer to my bank. It's just pocket change so it is no big deal to me, 
but that is just more evidence that data collection is more important to 
paypal than shuffling money around to allow honest businesses to survive 
in a hostile environment. $10 I don't care, a quarter mill that might 
affect my future paycheck? Unforgivable.


Take care, stay warm and well all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: Donate money

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 9:31 PM David  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 19:48 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > David writes:
> > > This forces _everybody_ to comply with American law: unilateral
> > > world
> > > order by any other name.
> >
> > It is not a uniquely USA law.  It's part of an international scheme
> > in
> > which most governments participate.
>
> Where is Paypal based?
> Then it operates under American law, doesn't it?
>
> > > A directly attributed, undisguised donation to an Assange fund, or
> > > any
> > > other (because this applied to more than one isolated case) does
> > > not
> > > qualify as `money-laundering'.
> >
> > I didn't say that it did.  I said that preventing "money laundering"
> > is
> > what the scheme *purports* to do.
>
> And I'm saying the KYC procedure (in any country) doesn't apply to a
> situation where both the donor and recipient of a financial process are
> openly declared.
> What's to know?
> Essence of red herring.
>
> >
> > > Yes, we definitely need something better than Paypal.
> >
> > I don't like PayPal either but you won't find any way to do
> > international transactions without dealing with obnoxious
> > regulations.
>
> U, yes there are,
> But I'm not about to openly advertise my modes of transaction here.
> They do exist, they are not dishonest, they are not hard to discern, or
> difficult to put into play, either.
>  I merely move my money (emphasis on `my money') to where I require it
> to be.
> No obnoxious regulations in evidence.

Is actually fiat currency. It stopped being money backed by gold when
Nixon took the US off the gold standard. The Bretton Woods Agreement
was working well until that day in 1971.

After 1971 in the US, the wife had to go to work because one income
was not enough for household goods and savings. The next decade or so
that followed, the wife continued to work but people stopped saving
because there was not enough money in the household. And a couple
decades later, two people working with no savings is not enough.
Families are borrowing money and living off credit cards. We are now
in the end game of what Nixon set in motion.

US currency is now a ponzi scheme. I think it is in its end game
because of consumer debt. The US Federal Reserve creates money in
response to debt. With consumers saturated with debt, consumers cannot
take on more debt. The Fed will not be able to print money without
adverse effects, like inflation. (Prices nearly doubled for some goods
in the last few years due to Covid-19. Imagine what's going to happen
if hyper inflation starts running its course due to worthless paper
flooding the markets).

When the dollar collapses, other currencies that peg to the USD will
be in for a wild ride.

You should have some gold and silver in your portfolio to get you
through 6 to 9 months of hardship. I hope the time will be enough to
improve the system. Shareholder Capitalism has eaten just about all
its young. There's nothing left to feed on. It needs to change.

Maybe Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies will come into their own at this time.

Jeff

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

On Monday 08 January 2024 03:49:17 pm Haines Brown wrote:
> where can find an inexpensive drive to hold about 1000 cds and find 
> the time do all the converting? ㋡ 
 
The 4TB drive in my server has about 77GB roughly holding a similar amount of 
stuff.  The time was over a rather lengthy period of time,  not all done at 
once.


-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

Re: Donate money

[David]

On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 19:48 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> David writes:
> > This forces _everybody_ to comply with American law: unilateral
> > world
> > order by any other name.
> 
> It is not a uniquely USA law.  It's part of an international scheme
> in
> which most governments participate.

Where is Paypal based?
Then it operates under American law, doesn't it?

> > A directly attributed, undisguised donation to an Assange fund, or
> > any
> > other (because this applied to more than one isolated case) does
> > not
> > qualify as `money-laundering'.
> 
> I didn't say that it did.  I said that preventing "money laundering"
> is
> what the scheme *purports* to do.

And I'm saying the KYC procedure (in any country) doesn't apply to a
situation where both the donor and recipient of a financial process are
openly declared.
What's to know?
Essence of red herring.

> 
> > Yes, we definitely need something better than Paypal.
> 
> I don't like PayPal either but you won't find any way to do
> international transactions without dealing with obnoxious
> regulations.

U, yes there are,
But I'm not about to openly advertise my modes of transaction here.
They do exist, they are not dishonest, they are not hard to discern, or
difficult to put into play, either.
 I merely move my money (emphasis on `my money') to where I require it
to be.
No obnoxious regulations in evidence.
Cheers!

Re: visudo, /etc/sudo.conf, probe_interfaces

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Mike McClain wrote:
> Yes I'm on Raspberry Debian now but my Devuan system still isn't
> working well enough to post here and I ran into this first on my
> daedalus system.

So there are THREE NON-DEBIAN SYSTEMS in this story?!

> visud0 complains that my hostname can't be found via DNS,

Please show the actual command you're running, and the actual error.

What *is* your hostname?  You showed this:

> mike@RPI4b3:~> uname -a
> Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi7-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.63-1+rpt1
> (2023-11-24) aarch64 GNU/Linux

But this contains contradictions.  Your hostname might be "RPI4b3" or
it might be "MikesPI" or something else entirely.

Is your hostname properly mapped to an IP address in the /etc/hosts
file?  Is nsswitch.conf correct?  Does "getent hosts $(hostname)"
give a correct-looking response in a reasonable amount of time?

The idea that visudo would *look up your hostname in DNS* is news to
me, and I'm going to insist on some actual *proof* here.

> 'visudo /etc/sudo.conf'  shows a line '# Set probe_interfaces
> false'

So, wait, visudo *works* now?  I thought it failed with an error.

Also, this command makes no sense.  visudo edits the sudoers file, NOT
the sudo.conf file.  These are two different files.

> which should tell sudo not to worry whether hostname returns an
> FQDN. Unfortunalely, visudo sees that as a syntax error and sudo
> ignores that line.

Because that line doesn't go in the sudoers file.  It goes in the sudo.conf
file.  And you're using visudo which expects to see the syntax of sudoers
in the file you're editing.

Here's what sudo.conf(5) on Debian 12 says:

 probe_interfaces
   By default, sudo will probe the system's network interfaces and
   pass the IP address of each enabled interface to the policy plugin.
   This makes it possible for the plugin to match rules based on the
   IP address without having to query DNS.  On Linux systems with a
   large number of virtual interfaces, this may take a non-negligible
   amount of time.  If IP-based matching is not required, network in‐
   terface probing can be disabled as follows:

   Set probe_interfaces false

   This setting is only available in sudo version 1.8.10 and higher.

So the first question is, what version of sudo is on the system...
but you've got THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS in this horror show, so I don't
even know which one you're talking about.

Second, what file did you put this line into?

Third, if I'm reading this correctly, adding that line (if your version
of sudo is high enough) would SUPPRESS the feature where it grabs the
IP addresses directly from something equivalent to "ip addr".  Without
those IP addresses, sudo will have to look in DNS to find out who you are,
but only if your sudoers file has rules that are host-specific.  I think?
Maybe?  Gods almighty, what kind of crazy shit are you DOING here?  I've
never heard of HALF of this crap!  Then again, I have never in my entire
life used host-specific rules in sudoers.  Are you doing so?

So anyway, if you want sudo NOT to look things up in DNS, it sounds like
you WANT probe_interface to be true.  Setting it to false would seem to
be counterproductive, on top of which you might be putting it in the
wrong file, and/or using the wrong tool to do so.

visudo, /etc/sudo.conf, probe_interfaces

[Mike McClain]

mike@RPI4b3:~> uname -a
Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi7-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.63-1+rpt1
(2023-11-24) aarch64 GNU/Linux

Yes I'm on Raspberry Debian now but my Devuan system still isn't
working well enough to post here and I ran into this first on my
daedalus system.
visud0 complains that my hostname can't be found via DNS, which I don't
find surprising since I'm a single user system serving no ports. It's
been like that for years and never caused a problem until I installed
Devuan. 'visudo /etc/sudo.conf'  shows a line '# Set probe_interfaces
false' which should tell sudo not to worry whether hostname returns an
FQDN. Unfortunalely, visudo sees that as a syntax error and sudo
ignores that line. If I leave the line uncommented sudo still
complains if mike takes eth0 up or down. I just checked and the same
thing happens on this system. Both are Debian based systems and I'm
wondering if anyone here can say if the problem comes from Debian or
upstream.
Thanks for listening.

Be well,
Mike
--
Remember, success is ninety-nine percent the refusal to accept failure.
- Charles Sheffield, _The_Cyborg_From_Earth_

Re: Donate money

[John Hasler]

David writes:
> This forces _everybody_ to comply with American law: unilateral world
> order by any other name.

It is not a uniquely USA law.  It's part of an international scheme in
which most governments participate.

> A directly attributed, undisguised donation to an Assange fund, or any
> other (because this applied to more than one isolated case) does not
> qualify as `money-laundering'.

I didn't say that it did.  I said that preventing "money laundering" is
what the scheme *purports* to do.

> Yes, we definitely need something better than Paypal.

I don't like PayPal either but you won't find any way to do
international transactions without dealing with obnoxious regulations.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Donate money

[David]

On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 17:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> David writes:
> > The way they would withhold payments as not going to approved
> > entities
> > by the powers that be has forced me into believing they are more of
> > an
> > information gathering utility disguised as a financial one.  If you
> > undertake to act as a medium in a financial transaction, that's
> > what
> > you do.
> 
> They have to comply with the (vaguely worded) law if they want to
> stay
> in business.  I doubt that they like it any more than we do.

This forces _everybody_ to comply with American law: unilateral world
order by any other name.

> > You don't put through some transactions and not others, simply
> > because
> > they are heading to an Assange fund or some other entity not
> > currently
> > approved of by American foreign policy preference.
> 
> The "know your customer" regulations are by no means a US-only
> phenomena.  It's supposed to prevent "money laundering".

A directly attributed, undisguised donation to an Assange fund, or any
other (because this applied to more than one isolated case) does not
qualify as `money-laundering'. Compare this to the $21 trillion missing
from Pentagon finances and the money which has `gone astray' in the
Ukrainian scenario to observe the difference.

Who knows?
Perhaps the Debian Project, represented in the media as `an
unaccountable collective of hackers', will be next.
Yes, we definitely need something better than Paypal.
Cheers! 
> 

Kernel compiling 6.5 and beyound

[Herb Garcia]

I was able to compile Linux kernel 6.1.X. 

When I tried compiling kernel 6.5.x and ran into issues. 

I download the required dependencies as required per
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.7/process/changes.html#changes

I'm just looking to see if I missed any steps. Here is the list of
commands I was able to create prior kernels.


make mrproper

cp -v /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config

make olddefconfig

make

make modules_install

make install

update-initramfs -c -k 6.5.x

update-grub

Anyting I'm missing?

-HP Garcia

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Stefan Monnier]

> The time to physically go through all those CDs, now that's a slightly
> different issue.

Once you've setup your "rip" tool (I used mostly `grip` back then,
not sure what's still maintained, maybe `abcde`?), it's a small matter
of putting the next CD in the drive when the previous one is ejected
(i.e. every 10 minutes or so).
I did it while doing other things on my computer.

The hardest part is labeling the resulting audio files: while some CDs
have good data in CDDB and friends (so the rip tool can do a good job
auto-labeling), not all do, sadly.


Stefan

Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 11:38 AM Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bret Busby wrote:
> > > .;
>
> Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> > IBM's MVS & its successors, most recently z/OS, have something
> > similar called a GDG (or Generation Data Group).
>
> The principle made it into ISO 9660 specifications.
>
> To make this thread relevant for Debian, let's assume that somebody
> asked about the peculiar filenames in the netinst ISO when mounting
> its plain ISO 9660 personality:
>
>   $ sudo mount -o norock,nojoliet,map=off debian-12.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> /mnt/iso
>   mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
>   $ find /mnt/iso
>   /mnt/iso
>   /mnt/iso/BOOT
>   /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB
>   /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB/EFI.IMG;1
>   /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB/FONT.PF2;1
>   ...
>   /mnt/iso/_DISK/MKISOFS.;1
>   /mnt/iso/_DISK/UDEB_INC.;1
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>

You ruined my day :-)

Something similar to IBM's kludgiest relic of the early 1960s has appeared
in linux? The idea that we need version numbers embedded in filenames
involuntarily may be "natural" to somebody. But just seems sloppy to me.
And I've been an IBM mainframe admin and developer too.


Thomas
>
>

Re: Donate money

[John Hasler]

David writes:
> The way they would withhold payments as not going to approved entities
> by the powers that be has forced me into believing they are more of an
> information gathering utility disguised as a financial one.  If you
> undertake to act as a medium in a financial transaction, that's what
> you do.

They have to comply with the (vaguely worded) law if they want to stay
in business.  I doubt that they like it any more than we do.

> You don't put through some transactions and not others, simply because
> they are heading to an Assange fund or some other entity not currently
> approved of by American foreign policy preference.

The "know your customer" regulations are by no means a US-only
phenomena.  It's supposed to prevent "money laundering".

-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Re: Debian in HPC

[Stuart Barkley]

I think some places are moving to Ubuntu.  The thought is that Ubuntu keeps 
more up to date with software.  I preferred to keep the OS minimal and build 
the user software independently since there usually were complex dependencies 
and Debian should be fine in that case.

We used diskless servers with stable ramdisk boot images and I did not get 
Debian or Ubuntu working before I retired.  I didn't get far enough along to 
try Infiniband or GPFS.  GPFS was working for some others on Ubuntu 
workstations.

The Beowulf mailing list is good.

Stuart


On January 6, 2024 4:04:51 PM UTC, "Andrew M.A. Cater"  
wrote:
>Michael: This discussion has also been taking place periodically in
>the main Beowulf lists over at Beowulf.org (https://www.beowulf.org)
>
>See, for example, their archives from May-November 2023 for the thread.
>
>For anyone interested in HPC, I commend the Beowulf list - very small
>numbers of extremely motivated, extremely competent people.
>
>Disclaimer: I'm also an occasional contributor to discussions there -
>and I first suggested that they use Debian rather than a Red Hat base
>in about 1998 when Red Hat launched Extreme Linux :)
>
>All the very best, as ever,
>
>Andy
>(amaca...@debian.org)

Re: serial-getty@ttyS0.service does not start

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi Michael,

thanks for your quick reply.

Am Sonntag, 7. Januar 2024, 15:06:22 CET schrieb Michael Biebl:
> Am 07.01.24 um 14:45 schrieb Rainer Dorsch:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I tried to start a serial console on ttyS0, but when I try to start the
> > serial-getty service, it does not return:
> 
> 
> Looks like the service is waiting for the device to appear.
> Do you have a /dev/ttyS0 device?

I get kernel messages through that device on the serial interface using 
console=ttyS0,115200n8 as kernel parameter.

> Can you show the output of
> 
> ls -la /dev/ttyS0
> systemctl status dev-ttyS0.device
> udevadm info /dev/ttyS0

root@master:~# ls -la /dev/ttyS0
crw-rw 1 root dialout 4, 64 Jan  8 22:14 /dev/ttyS0
root@master:~# systemctl status dev-ttyS0.device
● dev-ttyS0.device - /dev/ttyS0
Follows: unit currently follows state of sys-devices-pnp0-00:06-tty-
ttyS0.device
 Loaded: loaded
 Active: active (plugged) since Sun 2024-01-07 14:35:33 CET; 1 day 7h ago
 Device: /sys/devices/pnp0/00:06/tty/ttyS0

Jan 07 14:35:33 master systemd[1]: Found device dev-ttyS0.device - /dev/ttyS0.
root@master:~# udevadm info /dev/ttyS0
P: /devices/pnp0/00:06/tty/ttyS0
M: ttyS0
R: 0
U: tty
D: c 4:64
N: ttyS0
L: 0
E: DEVPATH=/devices/pnp0/00:06/tty/ttyS0
E: DEVNAME=/dev/ttyS0
E: MAJOR=4
E: MINOR=64
E: SUBSYSTEM=tty
E: USEC_INITIALIZED=3388940
E: ID_MM_CANDIDATE=1
E: TAGS=:systemd:
E: CURRENT_TAGS=:systemd:

root@master:~# 


Do you see anything suspicious in the output?

Thanks
Rainer

-- 
Rainer Dorsch
http://bokomoko.de/

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Michael Kjörling]

On 8 Jan 2024 15:49 -0500, from hai...@histomat.net (Haines Brown):
>> But unless you cannot spare 60 megaoctets somewhere, save yourself a lot
>> of trouble: just run cdparanoia -B then opusenc and put back the audio
>> CD at the back of the shelf where it belongs.
> 
> where can find an inexpensive drive to hold about 1000 cds and find 
> the time do all the converting? ㋡ 

I don't know what you consider inexpensive, but even uncompressed,
1000 CDs is about 700-800 GB. (FLAC will approximately halve that; MP3
at close to CD quality will reduce it to about 1/10.) Just a quick
check, Amazon lists a USB3 1TB Seagate HDD for $58 plus shipping,
though I've heard some horror stories about buying storage media from
Amazon as of late. There are certainly other options available, both
in terms of hardware, suppliers and resellers. Also 1 TB is
sufficiently small that the next step up isn't appreciably more
expensive; a similar 2 TB model lists for $70, for example.

Alternatively, they also offer SanDisk SDXC 128 GB memory cards at $14
a piece. One such will easily hold 1000 CDs at near-CD quality MP3.

The time to physically go through all those CDs, now that's a slightly
different issue.

-- 
Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Haines Brown]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 05:37:00PM +0100, Michel Verdier wrote:
> On 2024-01-08, Haines Brown wrote:

> > But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
> > the script work?
> 
> You fumble on another "play" program. Try "type -a play" to
> confirm. Then just rename your script.

You are correct. Renaming the file did the trick.
 
-- 

 Haines Brown 

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Haines Brown]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 04:32:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote:

> I suspect this is because of insufficient read-ahead or insufficient
> bandwidth, as you seems to assume to based on your comment on buffer
> size. You might be able to use --cache=yes to improve matters.

To judge by the man mplayer, I suspect the line in the config file 
would be cache = enable

Although all the cache lines in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf are 
commented out, simply replacing the line # cache = 8192 with the line 
cache = 16384 solved the buffer problem. Is cache thereby enabled? 

> Check the output of: type play
> 
> Most likely something else named play comes earlier in your $PATH.

You are correct. Solved the problem by changing play to Play.

Thank you.
 

> Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
> “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”


-- 

 Haines Brown 

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Haines Brown]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 05:23:34PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Haines Brown (12024-01-08):
> > I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount 

Understood about not mounting CDROM disks. Confused music with data 
disks

> > The mplayer command $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/sr0 cdda:// works. On 
> > my system it relies on alsa. However, about every 15 seconds the the 
> > process stops for about one second ane the drive LED flashes on. In 
> > the mplayer configuration I do D not see anything about buffer size.
> 
> Search for “cache” in the man page.

Thanks! That solved my problem. I find cache (enable/disable) and 
cache size (cache). 

In /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf there is a cache section. I changed the 
line

# cache = 8192
 
  to 

cache = 16384

and that seems to  have fixed the buffer problem.
 
> > To simplify my life, I created a ~/scripts/play file. It is in my 
> > PATH. The file has this content:
> > 
> >   #!/bin/sh
> > 
> >   mplayer /dev/sr0 cdda://
> > 
> >   exit 0
> > 
> > But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
> > the script work?
> 
> You forgot the “-cdrom-device” option. And judging from what you are
> saying you need to learn how $PATH works.

The scripts folder is in my path. I holds many commands I regularly 
use.

Turns out that the "play" command was earlier taken by another 
application. So I changed the command from play to Play, and now it 
works without the cache problem. The Play command is:

mplayer /dev/sr0 cdda://

The option -cdrom-device is default and so is optional. Mplayer works 
fine without it. 

> But unless you cannot spare 60 megaoctets somewhere, save yourself a lot
> of trouble: just run cdparanoia -B then opusenc and put back the audio
> CD at the back of the shelf where it belongs.

where can find an inexpensive drive to hold about 1000 cds and find 
the time do all the converting? ㋡ 

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
>   Nicolas George
> 

-- 

 Haines Brown 

Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)

[Niall O'Reilly]

On 8 Jan 2024, at 9:17, Bret Busby wrote:

> But, apart from the functionality that I have not seen in any other operating 
> system, of using an extra file descriptor of version number, so the whole 
> filename would be something like
> .;
> (I am not sure whether that syntax is correct - I have not used VAX/VMS, for 
> about 35-40 years)
> retaining (from memory) up to the last seven versions of a file, really, why 
> bother?

It was also a feature (with slightly different syntax) of DEC's
TOPS-20, before VAX/VMS was released.  I don't recall what the
limit on retained versions was.

...
Niall

Re: Donate money

[David]

On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 14:35 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/8/24 13:09, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > noah poulton  wrote:
> > > Hi guys!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct
> > > debit?
> > > I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I
> > > don't
> > > really want to create one).
> > > 
> > > I live in the UK (if that makes a difference).
> > 
> > Clicking on the paypal link doesn't mean you need to create a
> > paypal
> > account. It's just a payment service and you can use your regular
> > credit card details. I agree it would be better for Debian to use
> > some
> > other payment service though!
> > 
> I agree 200%, as a broadcast engineer working for an outfit that had 
> several b-cast properties all over the country, and good at putting
> out 
> tech fires, I was flown halfway across the country to put out the
> fires 
> caused by an incompetent EE that was on the missing list, he found a 
> woman and had basically abandoned his duties. So I got shipped to 
> western Colorado, with instructions to see if I could fix the
> commercial 
> player for a 4 channel one control room complex. Which I had
> diagnosed 
> as a dead scsi card 30 minutes after getting off the airplane.
> 
> So I go to the CE's office and using his windows xp computer which it
> turns out was setup by the local ISP with a pretty tight lockdown.
> But I 
> eventually get to ebay and buy a card for about $50. I had all the
> data 
> I needed to prove it was me accessing my account to pay the guy, but
> I 
> was a hacker and the transaction was blocked because I wasn't coming
> in 
> from my home computer 1700 miles east. This failure was costing us
> about 
> $50k a day in lost revenue so speed was prime, but it took me calling
> Seattle after figuring out what the problem was, threatening a
> lawsuit 
> at $100k/day in damages to finally get paypal to pay the guy a measly
> $50. They turned a next day fix into 6 days.
> 
> I have a very long memory for such, and have not used paypal since.
> If 
> my card isn't any good, no sale. 30 years later I run into the paypal
> only thing on the debian donate page and back out.  Debian has been
> good 
> to me, and I have enough machines running it or some variation that 
> since I'm a firm believer in TANSTAAFL, me putting a kilo in the
> kitty, 
> no strings attached, is not out of line. But it won't come thru
> paypal.
> If that paypal only policy ever changes, please advise this list. I
> am 
> subbed.
> 
> Thanks for reading another of my war stories.  Take care, stay warm
> and 
> well all.

Agreed!
It has been a substantial number of years since I have cancelled my
Paypal account, now.
The way they would withhold payments as not going to approved entities
by the powers that be has forced me into believing they are more of an
information gathering utility disguised as a financial one.
If you undertake to act as a medium in a financial transaction, that's
what you do.
You don't put through some transactions and not others, simply because
they are heading to an Assange fund or some other entity not currently
approved of by American foreign policy preference.
Cheers!

Re: Donate money

[gene heskett]

On 1/8/24 13:09, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

noah poulton  wrote:

Hi guys!


I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
really want to create one).

I live in the UK (if that makes a difference).


Clicking on the paypal link doesn't mean you need to create a paypal
account. It's just a payment service and you can use your regular
credit card details. I agree it would be better for Debian to use some
other payment service though!

I agree 200%, as a broadcast engineer working for an outfit that had 
several b-cast properties all over the country, and good at putting out 
tech fires, I was flown halfway across the country to put out the fires 
caused by an incompetent EE that was on the missing list, he found a 
woman and had basically abandoned his duties. So I got shipped to 
western Colorado, with instructions to see if I could fix the commercial 
player for a 4 channel one control room complex. Which I had diagnosed 
as a dead scsi card 30 minutes after getting off the airplane.


So I go to the CE's office and using his windows xp computer which it 
turns out was setup by the local ISP with a pretty tight lockdown. But I 
eventually get to ebay and buy a card for about $50. I had all the data 
I needed to prove it was me accessing my account to pay the guy, but I 
was a hacker and the transaction was blocked because I wasn't coming in 
from my home computer 1700 miles east. This failure was costing us about 
$50k a day in lost revenue so speed was prime, but it took me calling 
Seattle after figuring out what the problem was, threatening a lawsuit 
at $100k/day in damages to finally get paypal to pay the guy a measly 
$50. They turned a next day fix into 6 days.


I have a very long memory for such, and have not used paypal since. If 
my card isn't any good, no sale. 30 years later I run into the paypal 
only thing on the debian donate page and back out.  Debian has been good 
to me, and I have enough machines running it or some variation that 
since I'm a firm believer in TANSTAAFL, me putting a kilo in the kitty, 
no strings attached, is not out of line. But it won't come thru paypal.
If that paypal only policy ever changes, please advise this list. I am 
subbed.


Thanks for reading another of my war stories.  Take care, stay warm and 
well all.



Thanks,

Noah Poulton.


.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

CD-DA sector addressing, was Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i cannot contribute much to the practical issues with playing music.
But i'd like to clarify technical properties of CD-DA media:

Nicolas George wrote:
> compared to data CDs, audio CDs lack one layer of error-correcting code

True.

Another drawback is that CD-DA sectors cannot be read by the usual SCSI
commands for hard disk reading, but only by the special command READ CD.

> and [lack] the synchronization necessary to tell the
> position of a particular sector.

Not true. It is possible to read CD-DA with sector granularity.

Random addressing may be somewhat cumbersome for the drive, because the
exact sector address is part of the low level data of the sector.
See MMC-5 4.2.3.5.2 "Mode-1 Q" for how it is implemented on medium and
6.20 "READ CD Command" for how it is to be operated by software of the
hosting computer.

> This is why tools like cdparanoia exist: between one read and the next
> they seek back a few sectors and check that the overlap matches.

If ever it is the drive's firmware which has to guess the position and
then to pick the sectors with the desired address in Mode-1 Q (or in a
neighbor if one of the 10% sectors without Mode-1 Q is desired).

The main reason for specialized CD readers like cdparanoia is rather in
the fact that data readers like mount(8) want to use the general SCSI disk
read commands. There are more reasons, as the man page of cdparanoia
indicates, including workarounds for bugs of antique drives.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Donate money

[debian-user]

noah poulton  wrote:
> Hi guys!
> 
> 
> I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
> I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
> really want to create one).
> 
> I live in the UK (if that makes a difference).

Clicking on the paypal link doesn't mean you need to create a paypal
account. It's just a payment service and you can use your regular
credit card details. I agree it would be better for Debian to use some
other payment service though!

> Thanks,
> 
> Noah Poulton.

Re: systemd-timesyncd

[Curt]

On 2024-01-07, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
>
>> Take care, stay warm, well, and unvaxed.
>> ^^^
>
> Gene - no partisan opinions, please, as per Code of Conduct?

Nothing sucks like a VAX!

> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Nicolas George]

Michael Kjörling (12024-01-08):
> Note that while CD-DA disks are technically CD-ROM disks (compact disk
> read only media), in typical usage "CD-ROM" is taken to mean a CD
> which contains _data organized as files within a file system_, often
> an ISO-9660 file system typically with extensions (Rockridge, Juliet,
> ...).

It is worse than that: compared to data CDs, audio CDs lack one layer of
error-correcting code and the synchronization necessary to tell the
position of a particular sector.

This is why tools like cdparanoia exist: between one read and the next
they seek back a few sectors and check that the overlap matches.

But on the other hand, an audio CD can contain up to 807 mega-octets of
audio, compared to only 703 for a data CD.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Michel Verdier]

On 2024-01-08, Haines Brown wrote:

> I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount 
> the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting 
> sometimes recommended?

It talks about mounting "data" CD. Audio CD cannot be mounted and are
accessed by device (like /dev/sr0).

> But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
> the script work?

You fumble on another "play" program. Try "type -a play" to
confirm. Then just rename your script.

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Michael Kjörling]

On 8 Jan 2024 11:00 -0500, from hai...@histomat.net (Haines Brown):
> I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount 
> the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting 
> sometimes recommended?

You mount a file system. Audio CDs (that is, CD-DA disks) do not hold
file systems, so they aren't mounted in the typical sense.

Note that while CD-DA disks are technically CD-ROM disks (compact disk
read only media), in typical usage "CD-ROM" is taken to mean a CD
which contains _data organized as files within a file system_, often
an ISO-9660 file system typically with extensions (Rockridge, Juliet,
...).


> I wanted to use aplay to play music on cdrom, but have concluded
> it cannot be done in any straightforward way. Why not?

Likely simply because nobody has implemented that. Software to play
audio CDs exists aplenty; is there any particular reason why you want
to use specifically aplay to do it?


> However, about every 15 seconds the the
> process stops for about one second ane the drive LED flashes on.

I suspect this is because of insufficient read-ahead or insufficient
bandwidth, as you seems to assume to based on your comment on buffer
size. You might be able to use --cache=yes to improve matters.

Another option is to copy the CD audio to the computer using some tool
designed for that, and then play the copy. I suggest trying cdparanoia
for this, as it has excellent handling of poor read quality or buffer
underrun/overrun.


> To simplify my life, I created a ~/scripts/play file. It is in my 
> PATH. The file has this content:
> 
>   #!/bin/sh
> 
>   mplayer /dev/sr0 cdda://
> 
>   exit 0
> 
> But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
> the script work?

Check the output of: type play

Most likely something else named play comes earlier in your $PATH.

-- 
Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

Re: playing CDROM music questions

[Nicolas George]

Haines Brown (12024-01-08):
> I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount 

Please do not remove the protocol part from the URL, it makes
auto-detection and copy-pasting more annoying.

> the cdrive.

I do not see this page suggesting to mount audio CDs. Audio CDs do not
contain a files system, nor do they contain the synchronization
information necessary for a reliable read.

There is a hack in the kernel to mount them and present audio track as
PCM files but it is a hack, I do not know if it is enabled by default
and I do not recommend too use it.

> But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting 
> sometimes recommended?

Either people are wrong to recommend it or you are mistaken in thinking
they recommend it.

> I wanted to use aplay to play music on cdrom, but have concluded 
> it cannot be done in any straightforward way. Why not?

Because aplay requires the data to be available as a plain stream of
octets and the kernel does not provide that interface for audio CDs.

> The mplayer command $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/sr0 cdda:// works. On 
> my system it relies on alsa. However, about every 15 seconds the the 
> process stops for about one second ane the drive LED flashes on. In 
> the mplayer configuration I do D not see anything about buffer size.

Search for “cache” in the man page.

> To simplify my life, I created a ~/scripts/play file. It is in my 
> PATH. The file has this content:
> 
>   #!/bin/sh
> 
>   mplayer /dev/sr0 cdda://
> 
>   exit 0
> 
> But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
> the script work?

You forgot the “-cdrom-device” option. And judging from what you are
saying you need to learn how $PATH works.

But unless you cannot spare 60 megaoctets somewhere, save yourself a lot
of trouble: just run cdparanoia -B then opusenc and put back the audio
CD at the back of the shelf where it belongs.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

playing CDROM music questions

[Haines Brown]

I wish to play cdrom music discs from an exterrnal USB CDROM drive. It 
is the Rioddas drive recomended for linux.

I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount 
the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting 
sometimes recommended?

I wanted to use aplay to play music on cdrom, but have concluded 
it cannot be done in any straightforward way. Why not?

The mplayer command $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/sr0 cdda:// works. On 
my system it relies on alsa. However, about every 15 seconds the the 
process stops for about one second ane the drive LED flashes on. In 
the mplayer configuration I do D not see anything about buffer size.

To simplify my life, I created a ~/scripts/play file. It is in my 
PATH. The file has this content:

  #!/bin/sh

  mplayer /dev/sr0 cdda://

  exit 0

But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't 
the script work?

-- 

 Haines Brown 

Re: Problem opening VMWare Player

[Curt]

On 2024-01-08, Stephen P. Molnar  wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@"
>>> failed to execute child process "@@BINARY@@" (no such file or directory
>> When you run *what*?  What command, exactly?
>>
>> In any case, this is very clearly a failed installation.  The @@BINARY@@
>> is a placeholder that should have been replaced by a program name (with
>> or without a path) during the installation.
>>
>> Either you didn't follow the installation instructions correctly, or
>> something went wrong during the installation, which you'll have to
>> discover and fix before trying the installation again.
>>
> Thanks for the quick reply.
>
> I don't doubt what you're saying. The installer reported that there were 
> no errors. Obviously, it was wrong.

How are you attempting to start vmware? From inside a desktop
environment or window manager or from the command line? If the
former, have you attempted the latter?

Re: bookworm No printer, No sound

[Gareth Evans]

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 00:21, Thomas George  wrote:
> 
> nmap finds printer ,printer ip lan address. with lan address printer's state 
> can be read and test page printed
> 
> Cups can install printer with a long ipp address, not wifi. Only the lpinfo 
> command works, the others are deprectiated, not working so it  is not 
> possible to set an lp destination.
> 
> xsane finds no devices
> 
> gnome settings sound finds output device Speakers - Built-in audio
> 
> pulseaudio volume port shows Speakers (plugged in)
> 
> Both these show a fluctuating signal when mpv plays an audio file but 
> speakers are silent
> 
> uname -a shows Debian 6.1.0-amd64 (2023-12--2) This does not change after 
> update and dist-upgrade.
> 
> Any comments welcomed,
> 
> Tom George
> 

Hi Tom,

Can you give the make and model of the printer please?

What do you mean by

> Cups can install printer with a long ipp address, not wifi.

?

Do you mean cups doesn't automatically detect the printer?

Also, have you tried the other lp... commands you refer to (I presume you mean 
lpadmin etc) with sudo, or as root?

Thanks
Gareth

Re: systemd-timesyncd

[gene heskett]

On 1/7/24 19:39, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:51 PM Charles Curley 
> wrote:


On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:36:12 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" mailto:amaca...@einval.com>> wrote:

 > > Take care, stay warm, well, and unvaxed.
 > >                             ^^^
 >
 > Gene - no partisan opinions, please, as per Code of Conduct?

Oh, come on! Just because Gene doesn't like certain ancient Digital
Equipment products…?


Come on There has to be a linux-based VAX simulator somewhere out 
there for Gene :-D

So he can practice getting VAXed... :-D
said the man who used to use LSI-11's :-D

Glutton for punishment I take it?


-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?


https://charlescurley.com 
https://charlescurley.com/blog/ 



Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: systemd-timesyncd

[gene heskett]

On 1/7/24 17:51, Charles Curley wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:36:12 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater"  wrote:


Take care, stay warm, well, and unvaxed.
 ^^^


Gene - no partisan opinions, please, as per Code of Conduct?


Oh, come on! Just because Gene doesn't like certain ancient Digital
Equipment products…?

Chuckle.  That however, does bring back the memories of the PDP-11/23a 
that was supplied by Sci-Atl and CBS to control a 7 meter C-band 
satellite dish, to say it was unstable was the understatement of the 
century.  But it came with a maintenance contract so I let the field 
engineers from DE, worry about it, but everytime it crashed, we lost 
several thou, because we were selling toothpaste instead of dog food, 
and CBS didn't pay us for those mistakes. I grew increasing frustrated 
with DE because in the end, they changed every component in that machine 
but the frame rail with the seriel number. The computer guy in NYC CBS 
HQ finally traded me his test mule figuring he could fix it so we 
updated DE's seriel number list and traded machines.  But, he couldn't 
fix it either, so he then had no test mule to check other stations 
boards and software updates. Then it snowballed from there with CBS 
finally forced to replace every pdp11-23a at their affiliate sites, with 
an I've Been Moved, industrial version pc, and an artic real time 
interface card as a control interface.  His pdp11-23a Just Worked, as 
did the IBM. That of course had a very visible positive effect on our 
P&L reports.  So yeah, you could say I did not have any great faith in 
DEC. Early on but after the warranty on it expired, it used a DEC VT220 
for local admin stuff. Nothing fancy but when I called DEC looking for a 
HOT for it, was not available but they did have a vt550 they wanted 
nearly 6 grand for, and would not guarantee it would work. CBS could 
call it up on the phone so they did for about 10 days while I reworked a 
vt100 clone that ran on os9, the nix clone for a trs-80 color computer 
3, making a 100% compatible vt220 out of it.  That worked until the IBM 
came in.  So here is a guy named Gene, that has never owned a "PC" cuz I 
was doing things a pc couldn't, on a color computer, switching to the 
Amiga in the 90's, and built my first linux machine, installing RH5.0 on 
it in 1998. Built lots of other machines starting with an RCA 1802, but 
never a VAX.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: Problem opening VMWare Player

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/08/2024 08:53 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 08:33:11AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Bookworm.

I have installed VMWare-Player-Full-Bundle v-17.5.0, after checking that
Debian still supports it.

When I attempt running I get an error:

Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@"
failed to execute child process "@@BINARY@@" (no such file or directory

When you run *what*?  What command, exactly?

In any case, this is very clearly a failed installation.  The @@BINARY@@
is a placeholder that should have been replaced by a program name (with
or without a path) during the installation.

Either you didn't follow the installation instructions correctly, or
something went wrong during the installation, which you'll have to
discover and fix before trying the installation again.


Thanks for the quick reply.

I don't doubt what you're saying. The installer reported that there were 
no errors. Obviously, it was wrong.


--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
https://insilicochemistry.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Problem opening VMWare Player

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 08:33:11AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I am running Bookworm.
> 
> I have installed VMWare-Player-Full-Bundle v-17.5.0, after checking that
> Debian still supports it.
> 
> When I attempt running I get an error:
> 
> Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@"
> failed to execute child process "@@BINARY@@" (no such file or directory

When you run *what*?  What command, exactly?

In any case, this is very clearly a failed installation.  The @@BINARY@@
is a placeholder that should have been replaced by a program name (with
or without a path) during the installation.

Either you didn't follow the installation instructions correctly, or
something went wrong during the installation, which you'll have to
discover and fix before trying the installation again.

Re: systemd-timesyncd

[Mark Fletcher]

Is it supposed to be installed by the net-installer? There does not seem

> to be any man pages other than the bog std stuff. When I found the
> /etc/systemd/timesyncd I immediately asked the system for man timesyncd,
> got this:
> gene@coyote:/etc$ man timesyncd
> No manual entry for timesyncd
>

Try man systemd-timesyncd . Usually the systemd explanations are
systemd-. I’m not at a machine right now to check, but usually
that’s the case.

Mark

Problem opening VMWare Player

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I am running Bookworm.

I have installed VMWare-Player-Full-Bundle v-17.5.0, after checking that 
Debian still supports it.


When I attempt running I get an error:

Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@"
failed to execute child process "@@BINARY@@" (no such file or directory

Suggestions for a solution will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
https://insilicochemistry.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Donate money

[Peter Ehlert]

On 1/8/24 04:08, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 08.01.2024 um 11:07:30 Uhr schrieb noah poulton:


I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
really want to create one).

There are other ways like IBAN bank transfer:
https://www.debian.org/donations


yes, follow that link!
My bank is set to make recurring donations.
I forget what process I used to set it up, but it was quite simple.

Re: Donate money

[piorunz]

On 08/01/2024 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 08.01.2024 um 11:07:30 Uhr schrieb noah poulton:


I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
really want to create one).


There are other ways like IBAN bank transfer:
https://www.debian.org/donations


Is it possible to donate with Bitcoin?

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
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⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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Re: ipv6: temp address does not renew

[Marco Moock]

Am 08.01.2024 um 13:01:38 Uhr schrieb Andreas B:

> I haven't checked thoroughly (yet), but the only immediate difference
> I can see, is that the router lifetime is 600 seconds (RA). My ISP's
> router used a lifetime of 86400 seconds (24h), I think.

That affect when the old addresses must be removed from the interface.

Check
   valid_lft 582619sec preferred_lft 63918sec

in ip a for each address.

Re: ipv6: temp address does not renew

[Andreas B]

A follow up on this.

I recently swapped my ISP's router with my own.
New temp-addresses are now generated when old ones become deprecated, as 
expected.

I haven't checked thoroughly (yet), but the only immediate difference I can 
see, is that the router lifetime is 600 seconds (RA).
My ISP's router used a lifetime of 86400 seconds (24h), I think.

Best,
Andreas

Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Bret Busby wrote:
> > .;

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> IBM's MVS & its successors, most recently z/OS, have something
> similar called a GDG (or Generation Data Group).

The principle made it into ISO 9660 specifications.

To make this thread relevant for Debian, let's assume that somebody
asked about the peculiar filenames in the netinst ISO when mounting
its plain ISO 9660 personality:

  $ sudo mount -o norock,nojoliet,map=off debian-12.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
/mnt/iso
  mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
  $ find /mnt/iso
  /mnt/iso
  /mnt/iso/BOOT
  /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB
  /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB/EFI.IMG;1
  /mnt/iso/BOOT/GRUB/FONT.PF2;1
  ...
  /mnt/iso/_DISK/MKISOFS.;1
  /mnt/iso/_DISK/UDEB_INC.;1


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Donate money

[Marco Moock]

Am 08.01.2024 um 11:07:30 Uhr schrieb noah poulton:

> I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit?
> I want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't
> really want to create one).

There are other ways like IBAN bank transfer:
https://www.debian.org/donations

Donate money

[noah poulton]

Hi guys!


I was wondering, is there a way to donate to Debian via direct debit? I 
want to to donate but I don't have a paypal account (and I don't really 
want to create one).


I live in the UK (if that makes a difference).


Thanks,

Noah Poulton.

Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC

[Eric S Fraga]

On Friday,  5 Jan 2024 at 19:42, Hans wrote:
> All are running 1,666 GHz (except the very ealy ones, EEEPC 901, which is 
> running 1GHz.

Mine is one of the early ones, in fact probably the first version
released.

Thank you for your other longer post: very helpful.  I will find a
suitable SD card in the mess that is my office and will try live booting
different versions.

I am not bothered about DE -- simple WM will do.  I just want to run
Emacs with org mode as a portable writing and agenda system.

Thanks again,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-06-19) on Debian 12.0

Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2024, at 09:17, Bret Busby wrote:

> But, apart from the functionality that I have not seen in any other 
> operating system, of using an extra file descriptor of version number, 
> so the whole filename would be something like
> .;

IBM's MVS & its successors, most recently z/OS, have something 
similar called a GDG (or Generation Data Group).

It's handed via system catalogs - which are the indexes which tell
you where specific files are.  Dataset names do not contain disk
(or tape, or virtual tape) names and don't have the sort of 
hierarchical names relating to a root & mount point like most
files in Linux.

For a lot of files the catalogs say which disk a file is currently on
& the disk's "VTOC" - volume table of contents - says where on
the disk that file is.

Anyway if one defines eg 

  DEFINE GENERATIONDATAGROUP -
  (NAME(PQR.TEST.THIS) LIMIT(8) SCRATCH NOEMPTY)

then the system will maintain 8 separate copies of a file
named "PQR.TEST.THIS".  

You can refer to the newest created one as PQR.TEST.THIS(0)
or the next oldest by PQR.TEST.THIS(-1) or its ancestor by
PQR.TEST.THIS(-2) etc.  You can refer to the whole lot (so 
eg to read all the contents of as many of these files as
happen to exist at some point in time) simply by leaving
the (n) part off the name.

To create a new file you refer to PQR.TEST.THIS(+1); after
you finish using the file the system throws away the very 
oldest one & rejigs its index of them all so this latest one
is now able to be referred to via (0) - and the specific 
files previously referred to by -1, -2, -3 etc all shift up by
one.

For the whole duration of the process that creates a new
generation of such a file, the index of subsidiary versions 
is locked so that no other process can simultaneously
create new ones or delete any of them (ie not just delete
the one about to be the oldest, no longer required one).

The files are typically used for storing chunks of 
continuously occurring data, eg transactions or logs. You
might start each business day with no files in such a GDG
then accumulate any number of successive tranches of some
sort of transaction data in them, then - perhaps at the end
of day process the whole lot into one "daily" file & reset 
the GDG ready for the next day's processing.  You might 
then have a set of daily GDGs which get merged into 
weekly files, monthly ones etc.

You can also find out the internal name by which a 
specific generation of the file is named & refer to it
directly, eg PQR.TEST.THIS.G00
- thus meaning one doesn't have to know such a file's
relationship to the successive generation structure.

Back in the 1990s when I last used these there could be
up to 255 or so files in each GDG.  That limit might have
increased since then.

Ref: 
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=files-processing-generation-data-groups

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)

[Bret Busby]

On 8/1/24 08:44, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2024-01-07 at 19:20, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:


On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:51 PM Charles Curley 
wrote:


On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:36:12 +

"Andrew M.A. Cater"  wrote:



Gene - no partisan opinions, please, as per Code of Conduct?


Oh, come on! Just because Gene doesn't like certain ancient Digital
Equipment products…?



Come on There has to be a linux-based VAX simulator somewhere out there
for Gene :-D
So he can practice getting VAXed... :-D
said the man who used to use LSI-11's :-D


$ apt-cache show simh
Package: simh
[...]
Description-en: Emulators for 33 different computers
  This is the SIMH set of emulators for 33 different computers:
[...]
  DEC VAX (but cannot include the microcode due to copyright)


No idea whether it'd be enough, but if anyone does actually want to
pursue the idea, it might be worth looking at.

If anyone really wants to run VAX/VMS, or, another version of VMS, then 
you should read the article at

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/linux_may_soon_lose_support/
which has applicable links.

But, apart from the functionality that I have not seen in any other 
operating system, of using an extra file descriptor of version number, 
so the whole filename would be something like

.;
(I am not sure whether that syntax is correct - I have not used VAX/VMS, 
for about 35-40 years)
retaining (from memory) up to the last seven versions of a file, really, 
why bother?


In these times (and, even back then, when UNIX system V was the main 
UNIX system that was commercially used, and, even when BSD 4.2 was the 
main UNIX version), a decent systems level "C" programmer should be able 
to write a utility to do it.


When I was being taught VAX-FORTRAN (which, from memory, was enhanced 
FORTRAN-77, the last FORTRAN before FORTRAN-90, with FORTRAN-90 
introducing pointers to FORTRAN) and "C", and I remarked that 
VAX-FORTRAN had 8-byte precision, that "C" did not, the "C" lecturer 
simply said that a "C" programmer could create the data type, and write 
the maths libraries, to deal with it.


So, running VAX/VMS, or a version  of the VMS operating system, is a bit 
like running XENIX or MINIX, or, like a friend of that time, who had an 
operational PDP on his flat (apartment) balcony, that he had obtained an 
kept for playing with octal programming. It would, I expect6, be done 
for no other reason, than the sake of doing it.


But, all of that, and, the subject and thread of this message thread, 
are completely off-topic, for a Debian operating system mailing list, I 
think.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.