Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 10:53 PM George at Clug  wrote:
>
>  [...]
>
> I am guessing you have tried 'Skype for Web' ?  How did you find it? If it 
> does not suite your purposes, I would like to know why, as 'Skype for Web' 
> might be a solution for myself if it works enough.
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/skype-for-web-preview-your-most-asked-questions-9c4836e4-5cdb-4261-ae46-d919b974af8a
> Skype for Web (Preview) - your most asked questions
>
> I want to try the Skype for Web (Preview) experience. How do I do that?
> Please go to https://preview.web.skype.com and sign into Skype.

Skype for Web looks like it could be a good alternative for OP. It has
been around since 2019. Cf.,
.

Both the Linux app from the *.deb and the browser-based app (and other
package formats, like MSI) likely use the web security model, so you
are f**k'd with either one. There's probably no benefit to using one
over the other. Neither can provide a secure channel, and both will
happily allow interception of your calls.

Skype also points people to their community for questions:
. Maybe someone in the community
can answer the OP's questions, like what it's like to use the snap
version of the app.

Jeff

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

[Max Nikulin]

On 30/05/2024 23:19, Vincent Lefevre wrote:


Have you tried to send SIGTERM to mutt?


I didn't. AFAIK, systemd sends a SIGTERM to all the processes of the
session: that's the


Yes, SIGTERM is the default that systemd tries first. There are various 
kill modes, another signal may be configured for a unit, but I would 
leave defaults for user sessions.


Do you mean that mutt properly exits unless it receives SIGTERM in the 
course of shutdown process? I would try to enable debug log in mutt. 
There is a chance that networking is already disabled (or some other 
system unit important for mutt is already stopped) when systemd tries to 
kill mutt first time.

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[eben]

On 5/30/24 22:46, Carter Zhang wrote:

Dear Dan,

Thanks a lot for your reply but I am not clear how to use SFTP, SCP or
NFS on Android. Could you please show me how? Any help will be
appreciated.


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SFTP / SCP:

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pushpitha/50334853/1538653/1538653_800.jpg

NFS: it's not simple.

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Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Carter Zhang]

Dear Richard,

Thank you for your reply. LocalSend, LanXchange, LANDrop, NitroShare, Sharik, 
Warpinator, TrebleShot have their respective problems.

LocalSend is not available in Debian's and Trisquel's official repositories, 
and it is not so convenient to complie it from source using a machine with a 
memory of 8GB.

LanXchange is not available in Debian's and Trisquel's official repositories, 
source as well, and its source complication on my machine fails.

The Android client for LANDrop is not libre.

NitroShare, Sharik, Warpinator and TrebleShot are all no longer updated and the 
latest version of them cannot be complied on modern GNU/Linux environment.

In addition, KDE Connect sometimes disconnects and cannot reconnect.

Yours,
Carter

On May 29, 2024 10:56:02 PM GMT+08:00, Richard  wrote:
>KDE connect? That has clients for many systems.
>
>But the question is, what's the issue with the existing solutions? It's
>quite a useless task to recommend file transfer apps when they all have the
>same issue you try to avoid.
>
>Richard


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Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Carter Zhang]

Dear Dan,

Sorry I forgot an CC.

Thanks a lot for your reply but I am not clear how to use SFTP, SCP or NFS on 
Android. Could you please show me how? Any help will be appreciated. 

On May 29, 2024 11:37:55 PM GMT+08:00, Dan Ritter  wrote:
>Carter Zhang wrote: 
>> Dear Dan,
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for your reply but I am not clear how to use SFTP, SCP or NFS 
>> on Android. Could you please show me how? Any help will be appreciated. 
>> 
>
>Hi, Carter.
>
>The etiquette of the list is that everything goes in public, so
>that solutions can be shared and are searchable.
>
>The other side of it is that everyone is volunteering their own
>time, so discussions in public benefit everyone, whereas private 
>discussions are just unpaid consulting.
>
>
>-dsr-


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Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[David Wright]

On Fri 31 May 2024 at 08:48:33 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> On 31/5/24 08:04, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> > > On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> > > > wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory
> > > listing (to find version numbers), returned the following;
> > > 
> > > "
> > > An error occurred while processing your request.
> > > 
> > > Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
> > > 
> > > https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
> > > "
> > 
> > It took a few seconds while it thought about it (I thought it might
> > time out), but it worked here (KS):
> > 
> >$ wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
> >--2024-05-30 18:59:55--  
> > https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
> >Resolving repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)... 23.32.128.139, 
> > 2001:578:2c:fe8b::1263, 2001:578:2c:fe99::1263
> >Connecting to repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)|23.32.128.139|:443... 
> > connected.
> >HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> >Length: 122062452 (116M) [application/x-debian-package]
> >Saving to: ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’
> >skypeforlinux-64.deb
> > 100%[=>] 116.41M  9.19MB/sin 12s
> >2024-05-30 19:00:27 (9.34 MB/s) - ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’ saved 
> > [122062452/122062452]
> >$
> 
> If you install it, please tell me what is the version number.
> 
> Thank you in anticipation.

I haven't, but DEBIAN/control is attached, and there are
several occurrences of v8 in the main binary.

Cheers,
David.
Package: skypeforlinux
Version: 8.109.0.209
Architecture: amd64
Maintainer: Skype Technologies S.A. 
Installed-Size: 312110
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk-bridge2.0-0 (>= 2.5.3), libatk1.0-0 (>= 
2.2.0), libatspi2.0-0 (>= 2.9.90), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), 
libdrm2 (>= 2.4.38), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libgbm1 (>= 17.1.0~rc2), libgcc1 (>= 
1:3.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.39.4), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.9.10), libnspr4 (>= 
2:4.9-2~), libnss3 (>= 2:3.22), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsecret-1-0 (>= 
0.18), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1), libxcb1 (>= 1.9.2), libxcomposite1 (>= 
1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxkbcommon0 (>= 
0.5.0), libxrandr2, gnome-keyring, apt-transport-https, libfontconfig1 (>= 
2.11.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.6.18), libstdc++6 (>= 4.8.1), libatomic1
Section: non-free/net
Priority: extra
Homepage: https://www.skype.com
Description: Skype keeps the world talking, for free.
 Skype keeps you together. Call, message and share with others.
  * It's free to download and join.
  * Call, instant message and send photos and documents to anyone else on Skype.
  * Easily text message anywhere in the world.
  * Get your friends together on a group call.
 And that's just the start...

Re: tree with dir size

[Felix Miata]

Northwind composed on 2024-05-31 06:28 (UTC+0800):

> is there a command that shows dir/subdir structure like `tree`, but for 
> each dir has the size in results as well?

Is ncdu any use to your need?
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Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Bret Busby]

On 31/5/24 08:04, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:

On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb



Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory
listing (to find version numbers), returned the following;

"
An error occurred while processing your request.

Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb

https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
"


It took a few seconds while it thought about it (I thought it might
time out), but it worked here (KS):

   $ wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
   --2024-05-30 18:59:55--  https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
   Resolving repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)... 23.32.128.139, 
2001:578:2c:fe8b::1263, 2001:578:2c:fe99::1263
   Connecting to repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)|23.32.128.139|:443... 
connected.
   HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
   Length: 122062452 (116M) [application/x-debian-package]
   Saving to: ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’
   
   skypeforlinux-64.deb100%[=>] 116.41M  9.19MB/sin 12s
   
   2024-05-30 19:00:27 (9.34 MB/s) - ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’ saved [122062452/122062452]
   
   $


Cheers,
David.

Hello.

If you install it, please tell me what is the version number.

Thank you in anticipation.


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[eben]

On 5/30/24 20:08, mick.crane wrote:

On 2024-05-29 15:07, Carter Zhang wrote:

Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over
LAN? There have already been LocalSend, LanXchange, LANDrop,
NitroShare, Sharik, Warpinator, TrebleShot, but they have respective
problems.


  I don't know if sshfs would have issues with more than one connection.


You mean two different machines using sshfs to the same server?  I don't see
why it would.  It's vanilla SSH to the outside world and ssh works just fine
when multiple users log in.

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Re: tree with dir size

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 08:04:26PM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> > > It looks like "tree --du" should do it, but "tree -d --du -h" says
> > > ├── [452K]  Documents
> I think "du -h -S -s Documents/" gives just the files in Documents, and not
> its subdirectories, and it gives 269M.  "ls -ldh Documents/" says the
> directory itsely takes up 36k, so I'm not sure where "tree" got that number.

Hmm.  Guessing again, it might be the sum of all the "-d" raw directory
sizes of the directory and its subdirectories, but still ignoring files?
I can't fathom why the programmer(s) decided to do this, because it
isn't useful to anybody, but it's the only answer I can come up with.

hobbit:~$ mkdir -p /tmp/x/y
hobbit:~$ tree --du -dh /tmp/x
[8.0K]  /tmp/x
└── [4.0K]  y

hobbit:~$ cp /vmlinuz /tmp/x
hobbit:~$ tree --du -dh /tmp/x
[8.0K]  /tmp/x
└── [4.0K]  y

Confusing and useless.  I still don't have a better answer than this:

hobbit:~$ tree --du -Fh /tmp/x | grep /$
[7.8M]  /tmp/x/
└── [4.0K]  y/

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Bret Busby]

On 31/5/24 07:33, Dan Ritter wrote:





Does it work through a browser?

Zoom works through a browser. Google Meet works through a
browser. MS Teams works through a browser. And Jitsi works
through a browser.

-dsr-


Using each of those, apparently, comes with its own varying degree of risk.

Zoom and google might be okay, if you want your calls content 
intercepted and sold, and, used for impersonation, etc.


jitsi has been regarded as  the relatively safest.

The problems of zoom, etc ("we are recording you through your bedroom 
window, so we can use whatever amuses us"), has previously been 
discussed on this list, and, at The Register, with the Free Software 
Foundation telling its people to not uses zoom, and, recommending and 
adopting jitsi, for such communications.


Search list archive for zoom...

One great disadvantage, as far as I am aware, with skype, is that it has 
been available only for limited platforms; I have siblings who use Mac 
systems, for which, skype does not work. They use zoom for video calls, 
as it is cross-platform. They do not have the ICT awareness, to be aware 
of problems with zoom, in terms of privacy and security breaches by the 
provider.


A problem is that some people and institutions, are fixed in their ways, 
and mandate skype or zoom, or some other similarly disreputable software.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[mick.crane]

On 2024-05-29 15:07, Carter Zhang wrote:

Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over
LAN? There have already been LocalSend, LanXchange, LANDrop,
NitroShare, Sharik, Warpinator, TrebleShot, but they have respective
problems.


 I don't know if sshfs would have issues with more than one connection.
mick

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[David Wright]

On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> > wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
> > 
> 
> Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory
> listing (to find version numbers), returned the following;
> 
> "
> An error occurred while processing your request.
> 
> Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
> 
> https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
> "

It took a few seconds while it thought about it (I thought it might
time out), but it worked here (KS):

  $ wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
  --2024-05-30 18:59:55--  https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
  Resolving repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)... 23.32.128.139, 
2001:578:2c:fe8b::1263, 2001:578:2c:fe99::1263
  Connecting to repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)|23.32.128.139|:443... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
  Length: 122062452 (116M) [application/x-debian-package]
  Saving to: ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’
  
  skypeforlinux-64.deb100%[=>] 
116.41M  9.19MB/sin 12s 
  
  2024-05-30 19:00:27 (9.34 MB/s) - ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’ saved 
[122062452/122062452]
  
  $ 

Cheers,
David.

Re: tree with dir size

[eben]

On 5/30/24 18:54, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 06:51:30PM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:

It looks like "tree --du" should do it, but "tree -d --du -h" says

├── [452K]  Documents

when du says it's 787M.


Well, that sounds like one of the numbers includes subdirectories and
the other only includes files in the immediate directory.


From du(1):

   --du   For  each directory report its size as the accumulation of
  sizes of all its files and sub-directories (and their files,
  and so on).  The total amount of used space is also given in
  the final report (like the 'du -c' command.) This option
  requires tree to read the entire directory tree before
  emitting it, see BUGS AND NOTES below.  Implies -s.

OK, now for "du -c".  From du(1):

   -c, --total
  produce a grand total

Well, that doesn't help much.


The question is: which one do you want?


I'd like the size of the entire tree, and I think that's what OP wants too.

I think "du -h -S -s Documents/" gives just the files in Documents, and not
its subdirectories, and it gives 269M.  "ls -ldh Documents/" says the
directory itsely takes up 36k, so I'm not sure where "tree" got that number.

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[fjd]

On Fri, 31 May 2024, Bret Busby wrote:


What version of skype do you have installed?

I have skypeforlinux 8.109.0.209 installed on a Linux Mint system.

But, I have not used skype, now, for about 11 years.

Regarding snap, with your reference to Ubuntu Linux, the imposition of snap 
was one of the reasons to leave Ubuntu Linux.


I haven't (yet) experienced the nastiness. Want to note there is still 
a web version.


fjd


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Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Xiyue Deng]

Hi Juan,

"Juan R.D. Silva"  writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago
> it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into
> it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and
> basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.
>
> Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my
> system. Unfortunately, I still need Skype and I do not see any
> alternative but to concede to MS (and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.
>
> Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that
> thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?
>
> Thanks
>

According to Snap docs[1], Snap has been available on Debian since
Stretch (9).  It looks like Skype page on snapcraft has instructions on
how to install it on Debian[2].

Skype also seems to be available on Flatpak[3], which has the same
version as on Snap (8.119.0.201), so you can also install it there if
you prefer Flatpak over Snap.

I haven't installed it so I cannot tell how well it works.  But I think
you can report to Microsoft should there be any issues.

[1] https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snap-on-debian
[2] https://snapcraft.io/install/skype/debian
[3] https://flathub.org/apps/com.skype.Client

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Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Bret Busby]

On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote:










Good morning Juan

Three sites suggest:

wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb



Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory listing 
(to find version numbers), returned the following;


"
An error occurred while processing your request.

Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb

https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb
"


--

Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Bret Busby]

On 31/5/24 06:58, Juan R.D. Silva wrote:

Hi folks,

I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago 
it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into 
it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and 
basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.


Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system. Unfortunately, 
I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to MS 
(and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.


Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that 
thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?


Thanks


What version of skype do you have installed?

I have skypeforlinux 8.109.0.209 installed on a Linux Mint system.

But, I have not used skype, now, for about 11 years.

Regarding snap, with your reference to Ubuntu Linux, the imposition of 
snap was one of the reasons to leave Ubuntu Linux. snap is bloat, and 
leads to nastiness, like automatic updating of a system, so that, for 
example, if you would be in the middle of an important skype call, or, 
in the middle of another important task, expect to have it all shutdown 
- Ubuntu has gone the MS way (with its snap cr*p), and, starts doing a 
system update and reboot; so, if you really want any control that you 
have over your system, and, confidence in using your system, taken away 
from you then, infect it with snap.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Dan Ritter]

Juan R.D. Silva wrote: 
> I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago it
> refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into it, I
> found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and basically
> forces everyone to use Snap package instead.

I'm pretty sure that if MS removed the package, it was not a
Debian official repo.

> Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system. Unfortunately, I
> still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to MS (and
> Ubuntu?) brute coercion.
> 
> Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that
> thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?

Does it work through a browser?

Zoom works through a browser. Google Meet works through a
browser. MS Teams works through a browser. And Jitsi works
through a browser.

-dsr-

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 31/05/2024 9:29 am, Juan R.D. Silva wrote:

Hey Timothy, have you really read my post?

1. I wrote it clearly "I still need Skype". (And yes, I have my reasons 
for it, even if it surprises you.)
2. And how have you arrived to "Ubuntu" subject? I'm Debian user. Again 
read to post you replied to.
3. I really don't care what you personally use and if you are happy with 
it or not. I need a Skype user suggestion about a particular situation. 
You do not use Skype and have no clue to be in help. Then just skip off.


Boy, these thread hijacking boys are annoying.

Thanks


On 2024-05-30 7:06 p.m., Timothy M Butterworth wrote:



On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 6:59 PM Juan R.D. Silva 
mailto:juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    Hi folks,

    I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days 
ago

    it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into
    it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and
    basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.

    Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system.
    Unfortunately,
    I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede
    to MS
    (and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.


To hell with Ubuntu, I use Google Voice, Chat and Meet. All three are 
free and work great just using the browser.


    Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with 
that

    thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?

    Thanks



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Good morning Juan

Three sites suggest:

wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb

Some of them are older, but 1 refers to bookworm.

So maybe all isn't lost


All the best


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Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[George at Clug]

Juan,


Apologies I do not have an answer for you.


It would seem you love Snaps about as much as I do. I watch videos on
YouTube of people complaining about APT, or Synaptic, but I disagree
with them, I really like those programs and the Debian packaging
system. They are very reliable, just like Debian.



I too have a Skype account, but my friends have moved to other
platforms, so I only log in once or twice a year to see if anyone
messaged me. I do this via a Windows Virtual Machine using KVM. I only
use this solution for chat, not conferencing. And now with Windows 10
coming to and end, I guess my use of Skype will end too. My hardware
will not run Windows 11.



I am guessing you have tried 'Skype for Web' ?  How did you find it?
If it does not suite your purposes, I would like to know why, as
'Skype for Web' might be a solution for myself if it works enough.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/skype-for-web-preview-your-most-asked-questions-9c4836e4-5cdb-4261-ae46-d919b974af8a
Skype for Web (Preview) - your most asked questions

I want to try the Skype for Web (Preview) experience. How do I do
that?
Please go to https://preview.web.skype.com and sign into Skype. 



https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snap
https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snap-on-debian


George.








On Friday, 31-05-2024 at 08:58 Juan R.D. Silva wrote:


Hi folks,

I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days
ago 
it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into 
it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and 
basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.

Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system.
Unfortunately, 
I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to
MS 
(and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.

Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that

thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?

Thanks

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Juan R.D. Silva]

Hey Timothy, have you really read my post?

1. I wrote it clearly "I still need Skype". (And yes, I have my reasons 
for it, even if it surprises you.)
2. And how have you arrived to "Ubuntu" subject? I'm Debian user. Again 
read to post you replied to.
3. I really don't care what you personally use and if you are happy with 
it or not. I need a Skype user suggestion about a particular situation. 
You do not use Skype and have no clue to be in help. Then just skip off.


Boy, these thread hijacking boys are annoying.

Thanks


On 2024-05-30 7:06 p.m., Timothy M Butterworth wrote:



On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 6:59 PM Juan R.D. Silva 
mailto:juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi folks,

I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago
it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into
it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and
basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.

Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system.
Unfortunately,
I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede
to MS
(and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.


To hell with Ubuntu, I use Google Voice, Chat and Meet. All three are 
free and work great just using the browser.


Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that
thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?

Thanks



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Re: "Repeaters", etc.

[David Christensen]

On 5/30/24 03:14, Roger Price wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:

On 5/29/24 03:36, Roger Price wrote:

On Tue, 28 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:

On 5/28/24 00:28, Roger Price wrote:
I wired my place Cat5. A lot of work, and I regretted it.  I live 
in the hills behind Nice, an area with a lot of lightning.  The 
overhead line to my place took a hit and thanks to the Cat5 
conductivity I lost equipment.


How do you know that the damage your equipment suffered was due to 
the Cat 5e wiring and not due to the electrical power conductors?


Electrical power to my computers comes through 30mA differential 
circuit breakers to Eaton Ellipse 1600 UPS units. I had no such 
protection for the telephone signal, and I saw flashes at the 
telephone junction box.  So I summise that the Cat5 wiring did the 
damage.


Those UPS's should be able to protect telephone and Ethernet, in 
addition to electrical power.  Have you applied the UPS's to the 
former two?


The UPS's stand next to the workstations and well away from the place 
where the telephone line arrives, so I didn't use the UPS's to protect 
the telephone line. My fault.  Later I added a surge protector to the 
copper telephone line.  I am now in the process of migrating from copper 
to fiber so I will need an extra UPS next the fiber terminator.


Roger

===

https://www.eaton.com/sg/en-us/catalog/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/eaton-ellipse-pro-ups.html


PS: I once had a lightning strike direct to the house.  Frightening.  
Although every differential circuit breaker in the house tripped, the 
circuit board in the UPS melted.  But even when melting, it protected 
the Dell T7500. No damage to the T7500, no data lost. I took a photo of 
the melt, sent it to Eaton, and they replaced the UPS.



Have you consider applying lightning protection to your house?

1.  Lightning rods, down lines, ground rods, perimeter ground loop, etc..

2. Lightning arresters at the electrical, telephone, CATV, etc. service 
entrance points.



David

Re: tree with dir size

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 06:57:27AM +0800, Northwind wrote:
> both the size of current path and subdir should be expected.

According to the man page, that's what it does.

I just installed tree and tried it.  There's a subtle behavior that I
did not expect:

hobbit:/usr/local$ tree -d --du -h
[3.9M]  .
├── [4.0K]  bin
├── [4.0K]  etc

Those number are definitely not totals for the files in a directory.
Compare:

hobbit:/usr/local$ tree --du -h | less
[627M]  .
├── [ 81M]  bin
│   ├── [7.6K]  addcr

It looks like the -d option makes it only look at the size of the raw
directory (4096 bytes, as in

hobbit:/usr/local$ ls -ld bin
drwxr-sr-x 2 root staff 4096 Feb 17 15:14 bin/

) rather than the total of the files within the directory.

Solution: don't use -d.  But then you get all the files listed instead
of just the directories.

If there's a way to get the pruning of files of -d plus the total-printing
of omitting -d then I don't know what it is.

The best workaround I can immediately see is to include -F to put trailing
slashes on the directories, and then grep for those.

hobbit:/usr/local$ tree --du -h -F | grep /$ | head
[627M]  ./
├── [ 81M]  bin/
├── [4.0K]  etc/
├── [4.0K]  games/
├── [126K]  include/
│   └── [122K]  opus/
├── [ 42M]  lib/
│   ├── [3.4M]  nethackdir/
│   │   ├── [4.0K]  save/
│   ├── [4.3K]  pkgconfig/

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 6:59 PM Juan R.D. Silva 
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago
> it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into
> it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and
> basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.
>
> Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system. Unfortunately,
> I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to MS
> (and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.
>

To hell with Ubuntu, I use Google Voice, Chat and Meet. All three are free
and work great just using the browser.


> Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that
> thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Anybody Skype users here?

[Juan R.D. Silva]

Hi folks,

I use Skype installed from Debian official repo.  A couple of days ago 
it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into 
it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and 
basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead.


Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system. Unfortunately, 
I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to MS 
(and Ubuntu?) brute coercion.


Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that 
thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise?


Thanks

Re: tree with dir size

[Northwind]

both the size of current path and subdir should be expected.

thanks.


The question is: which one do you want?

Re: tree with dir size

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 06:51:30PM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> It looks like "tree --du" should do it, but "tree -d --du -h" says
> 
> ├── [452K]  Documents
> 
> when du says it's 787M.

Well, that sounds like one of the numbers includes subdirectories and
the other only includes files in the immediate directory.

The question is: which one do you want?

Re: tree with dir size

[eben]

On 5/30/24 18:28, Northwind wrote:

Hello,

is there a command that shows dir/subdir structure like `tree`, but for each
dir has the size in results as well?


It looks like "tree --du" should do it, but "tree -d --du -h" says

├── [452K]  Documents

when du says it's 787M.

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over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts
and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR

tree with dir size

[Northwind]

Hello,

is there a command that shows dir/subdir structure like `tree`, but for 
each dir has the size in results as well?


Thanks.

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > What kind of programming language can have inspired the developers
> > to define such a syntax ?

Max Nikulin:
> https://blog.jak-linux.org/2019/08/15/apt-patterns/

This points to aptitude. The package description of aptitude says
"mutt-like syntax for matching packages". Indeed
  https://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/mutt/manual-4.html
has in its second half some lines which resemble apt-patterns.


> As to obsolete vs. local packages, my guess is that apt may label some
> version as obsolete if another version of the same package is still
> available from some repository. Otherwise it is local.

To me it seems that apt-patterns simply calls "obsolete" what apt-list
then marks in its output as "[... local]".
Obviously these terms refer to different reasons why a package is not
found in the official repos. But these reasons seem to be
indistinguishable. So in the end both terms depict the same status.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[Jean-Marc]

Le 30/05/24 à 20:56, ajh-valmer a écrit :

Comme ce Monsieur est décédé, c'est pas possible.


Mais les mails qui arrivent à la liste semblent venir de l'adresse de la 
personne à désabonner.


Il y a donc quelqu'un qui a ses accès et qui envoie des mails depuis son 
compte.


Mais peut-être que je me trompe.

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Re: Re : installation d'une imprimante HP

[MERLIN Philippe]

Bonsoir,
Je te remercie de ta réponse mais je n'ai peut être pas bien indiqué 
l'imprimante  HP est bien reconnue  par mon autre PC Debian Sid et fonctionne 
parfaitement. Le PC testing n'a aucun driver pour aucune imprimante comme 
l'indique la commande lpinfo -m
Philippe Merlin


Le jeudi 30 mai 2024, 19:43:28 CEST k6dedi...@free.fr a écrit :
> Bonjour Philippe,
> En premier lieu, il faut vérifier si ton imprimante est prise en compte par
> hplip ou hpijs.
> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/i
> ndex https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/tech_docs/hpijs
> 
> Bonne recherche,
> Cassis
> 
> 
> 
> - Mail d'origine -
> De: MERLIN Philippe 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Thu, 30 May 2024 13:05:46 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: installation d'une imprimante HP
> 
> Bonjour,
>Suite à une MAJ lourde d'un PC Debian testing, la MAJ était lourde car je
> n'avais pas fait de MAJ depuis longtemps
> Sur mon petit réseau local géré  par un routeur Wifi sont connectés en
> permanence deux imprimants HP Wifi
> Deux PC Debian se connectent également à se réseau un Pc Debian Sid AMD64 
> connexion Wifi et un Pc Debian testing Amd64 connexion Filaire directement
> sur le routeur .Je rencontre deux problèmes pour l'installation d'une
> imprimante HP sur ce dernier PC..
> 
> *1*   L'imprimante wifi n'est pas détectée automatiquement  par Cups cela
> veux dire que le DNSSD semble ne pas fonctionner sur le PC wifi cela
> fonctionne correctement. J'ai cherché des différences de configurations sur
> les deux PC je n'ai  rien trouvé (avahi ..). une commande lancé sur une
> console :
> *avahi-browse - r  _print-caps_tcp
> 
> *ne donne rien
> *2*  Toujours avec  Cups si j'utilise la possibilité de l'installer par son
> adresse IP j'obtiens l'erreur suivante
> "impossible d'obtenir la liste des pilotes d'impression"
> en lancant la commande suivante sur une console
> *lpinfo - m*
> j'obtiens seulement : *success*
> la réinstallation*  *des paquets :  *printer-driver-  *(hplip,pdf, )
> ne donne rien. J'ai besoin de votre aide pour résoudre ces problèmes je
> sèche complètement et mes recherches sur Google sont vaines.
> Je sais que normalement on doit écrire autant de messages que de problèmes
> rencontrés mais dans ce cas c'était difficile.
> Toute idée pour résoudre les problèmes 1 ou 2 est la bienvenue.
> Philippe Merlin

Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[ajh-valmer]

On Thursday 30 May 2024 20:32:15 Th.A.C wrote:
> Le 30/05/2024 à 10:06, didier gaumet a écrit :
> > Le problème est que le désabonnement doit être confirmé: l'automate 
> > envoie une demande de confirmation de désabonnement et si la personne ne 
> > répond pas, le désabonnement n'a pas lieu (pour éviter les 
> > désabonnements malveillants par un tiers)

> fait aussi la semaine dernière, a priori la personne n'a pas lu/compris 
> la demande de désabonnement.

Ça fait déjà très longtemps que ce signalement a été entrepris.
Effectivement, par la suppression via un Mail,
le serveur de mailing-liste demande une confirmation de désabonnement.
Comme ce Monsieur est décédé, c'est pas possible.
La seule solution est de retirer ce mail depuis le serveur
de mailing-liste de Debian. Mais qui le gère ?
Sinon, ça peut durer longtemps...

Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[Th.A.C]

Le 30/05/2024 à 10:06, didier gaumet a écrit :

j'ai renvoyé par la page web de (dés)abonnement 
(https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe) une demande pour 
l'adresse avec laquelle la personne a posté, qui est a priori celle sur 
laquelle elle reçoit les mails de la liste.
Le problème est que le désabonnement doit être confirmé: l'automate 
envoie une demande de confirmation de désabonnement et si la personne ne 
répond pas, le désabonnement n'a pas lieu (pour éviter les 
désabonnements malveillants par un tiers)





fait aussi la semaine dernière, a priori la personne n'a pas lu/compris 
la demande de désabonnement.

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[David Wright]

On Wed 29 May 2024 at 18:20:25 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> i wonder why none of the electricians on this list has an anecdote to
> share about dealing with "obsolete" packages after upgrade.
> No triumphs, defeats, or global catastrophes ?

Nowadays I install new releases from scratch, helped by the fact that
for years I've always had two systems on each machine, the current and
the previous. (/home is shared.) That tends to limit cruft as well.

> I wrote:
> > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.h
> tml#purge-removed-packages
> > > What does "[residual-config]" mean ?

It is odd that the terminology used in the output differs from that
used to provoke it, as in:

  $ apt list '?config-files'
  Listing... Done
  mlocate/oldstable,now 0.26-5 amd64 [residual-config]
  $ 

Both man apt-patterns and aptitude's Search Term Reference ought to
include the bracketed items if there's no intention to unify terms.
Perhaps it's related to the tendency to underdocument the output from
programs.

> The predicate "obsolete" is not the same as "automatically installed".
> I understand that obsolete means having no successor package in the
> upgraded Debian release.

"Obsolete" is an unfortunately loaded word. I think aptitude expresses
it a bit more clearly: "This term matches any installed package which
is not available in any version from any archive. These packages
appear as “Obsolete or Locally Installed” in the visual interface."

  $ apt list '?installed ?obsolete'
  Listing... Done
  xtoolwait/now 1.3-6.2 amd64 [installed,local]
  yt-dlp/now 2024.05.26-1 all [installed,local]
  $ 

The first is from squeeze, the second from trixie (hardly "obsolete"),
both installed with apt-get fullpath (previously I'd have used dpkg -i).

> Is there a way to do a dry run which only tells what would happen if i
> were more courageous ?

Both apt* and dpkg have --no-act --dry-run --simulate to prevent
acting. (apt* has additional synonyms -s --just-print --recon.)
With dpkg, it's safest to place the option first, as it only
protects what follows it in the command line.

Typically you can also not be root to help protect yourself,
as in:

  $ apt-get -s remove libc6 
  NOTE: This is only a simulation!
apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.
Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,
so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation!
  Reading package lists...
  Building dependency tree...
  Reading state information...
  The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer 
required:
  [ … ]
  Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
  The following packages will be REMOVED:
  [ … ]
  WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
  This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
  [ … ]
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1702 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  [ … ]

Cheers,
David.

Re : installation d'une imprimante HP

[k6dedijon]

Bonjour Philippe,
En premier lieu, il faut vérifier si ton imprimante est prise en compte par 
hplip ou hpijs.
https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index
https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/tech_docs/hpijs

Bonne recherche,
Cassis



- Mail d'origine -
De: MERLIN Philippe 
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Thu, 30 May 2024 13:05:46 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: installation d'une imprimante HP

Bonjour,
   Suite à une MAJ lourde d'un PC Debian testing, la MAJ était lourde car je 
n'avais pas fait de MAJ depuis longtemps
Sur mon petit réseau local géré  par un routeur Wifi sont connectés en 
permanence deux 
imprimants HP Wifi
Deux PC Debian se connectent également à se réseau un Pc Debian Sid AMD64  
connexion 
Wifi et un Pc Debian testing Amd64 connexion Filaire directement sur le routeur
.Je rencontre deux problèmes pour l'installation d'une imprimante HP sur ce 
dernier PC..

*1*   L'imprimante wifi n'est pas détectée automatiquement  par Cups cela veux 
dire que 
le DNSSD semble ne pas fonctionner sur le PC wifi cela fonctionne correctement. 
J'ai 
cherché des différences de configurations sur les deux PC je n'ai  rien trouvé 
(avahi ..).
une commande lancé sur une console :
*avahi-browse - r  _print-caps_tcp

*ne donne rien
*2*  Toujours avec  Cups si j'utilise la possibilité de l'installer par son 
adresse IP j'obtiens 
l'erreur suivante 
"impossible d'obtenir la liste des pilotes d'impression"
en lancant la commande suivante sur une console
*lpinfo - m*
j'obtiens seulement : *success*
la réinstallation*  *des paquets :  *printer-driver-  *(hplip,pdf, ) ne 
donne rien.
J'ai besoin de votre aide pour résoudre ces problèmes je sèche complètement et 
mes 
recherches sur Google sont vaines.
Je sais que normalement on doit écrire autant de messages que de problèmes 
rencontrés 
mais dans ce cas c'était difficile.
Toute idée pour résoudre les problèmes 1 ou 2 est la bienvenue.
Philippe Merlin

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Max Nikulin]

On 30/05/2024 16:22, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Max Nikulin wrote:

apt-patterns(7)


Wow. What kind of programming language can have inspired the developers
to define such a syntax ?


https://blog.jak-linux.org/2019/08/15/apt-patterns/

"apt list" has some limitations in comparison to "aptitude search". I 
have no idea what was the source of inspiration for aptitude, but this 
query language appeared perhaps a quarter of century ago.


https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html

For me it is hard to compose a query beyond trivial ones. My adventures 
with "apt list":
Re: List packages from non-default repositories. Wed, 4 Oct 2023 
17:26:47 +0700

https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/ufjel7$l9m$1...@ciao.gmane.io

However I did not post last variant of the query. It is for aptitude.

As to obsolete vs. local packages, my guess is that apt may label some 
version as obsolete if another version of the same package is still 
available from some repository. Otherwise it is local.

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-05-30 00:19:30 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 29/05/2024 07:44, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > But I don't understand why there was a timeout. Does this mean that
> > mutt didn't react to SIGTERM? Any reason?
> 
> Have you tried to send SIGTERM to mutt?

I didn't. AFAIK, systemd sends a SIGTERM to all the processes of the
session: that's the

May 29 01:55:05 qaa systemd[1]: Stopping session-2.scope - Session 2 of User 
vinc17...

but this timed out, apparently due to the mutt process, which was
still running, so that systemd sent a SIGKILL (which succeeded).

May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Stopping timed out. Killing.
May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Killing process 2990 (mutt) 
with signal SIGKILL.

> If it ignores this signal or the reaction is some prompt then you
> need to find another way to stop mutt and to configure systemd user
> session to do it on logout (shutdown).

A SIGTERM normally kills mutt. In signal.c, signals are blocked
"while doing critical ops", namely for compressing/decompressing
(which I don't use) and when locking a mailbox (but I don't see
why this would have happened). Otherwise the signal handler just
does that:

static void exit_handler (int sig)
{
  curs_set (1);
  endwin (); /* just to be safe */

  exit_print_string (Caught_Signal_L10N ? Caught_Signal_L10N : "Caught signal 
");
#if SYS_SIGLIST_DECLARED
  exit_print_string (sys_siglist[sig]);
#else
#if (__sun__ && __svr4__)
  exit_print_string (_sys_siglist[sig]);
#else
#if (__alpha && __osf__)
  exit_print_string (__sys_siglist[sig]);
#else
  exit_print_int (sig);
#endif
#endif
#endif
  exit_print_string (Exiting_L10N ? Exiting_L10N : "...  Exiting.\n");
  exit (0);
}

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Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-05-29 16:13:05 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2024-05-29, Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> > During the latest shutdown:
> >
> > May 29 01:55:05 qaa systemd[1]: Stopping session-2.scope - Session 2 of 
> > User vinc17...
> > [...]
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Stopping timed out. 
> > Killing.
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Killing process 2990 
> > (mutt) with signal SIGKILL.
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Failed with result 
> > 'timeout'.
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: Stopped session-2.scope - Session 2 of User 
> > vinc17.
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Consumed 8h 17min 54.832s 
> > CPU time.
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: Stopping systemd-logind.service - User 
> > Login Management...
> > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: Stopping user@1000.service - User Manager 
> > for UID 1000...
> > [...]
> >
> > Note: I had set DefaultTimeoutStopSec=20s because then is normally
> > sufficient.
> >
> > The mutt process was running in GNU Screen. The current mailbox
> > was just a local one. Mutt does no network connections (I do not
> > use IMAP). I general, I quit it before logging out, but this time,
> > it seems that I forgot.
> >
> > But I don't understand why there was a timeout. Does this mean that
> > mutt didn't react to SIGTERM? Any reason?
> >
> 
> sudo journalctl -b-1?

See above. There's nothing else about mutt in the journal.

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This is to check whether a glitch in the SmartList program protocol exists

[Susmita/Rajib]

Just a test. May please this post be ignored.
Best wishes,
Rajib
__
Inspiration
Euclid Must Fall: The “Pythagorean” “Theorem” and the rant of racist
and civilizational superiority
Prof C K Raju
https://doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i2.5
https://dx.doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i1.6
https://tinyurl.com/decol-list-new

A few innovations
IN191986B
http://viXra.org/abs/2301.0140, abs/2301.0147, /abs/2302.0023, ⋯,

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Richard]

A client that by your own words barely works, while fully functional
alternatives have been available for many years already. So what's your
point?

Am Do., 30. Mai 2024 um 14:23 Uhr schrieb Anssi Saari <
anssi.sa...@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi>:

>
> Wow. I already mentioned an open source client? What's your point?
>
>

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Anssi Saari]

Richard  writes:

> There have already been many answers. And since it's highly unlikely any 
> third party will include support for such a
> closed down system, you might want to look at them. At least I don't think 
> Google will suddenly open source Nearby Share
> for everyone to write clients for it.

Wow. I already mentioned an open source client? What's your point?

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Florent Rougon]

Le 30/05/2024, "Thomas Schmitt"  a écrit:

> So "local" would be just another word for "obsolete" ?

My understanding is that “obsolete” and “local” may mean different
things to the person who installed the packages (“obsolete” would
correspond to the first item of the list at the end of my previous post,
“local” to the second one); however, apt and aptitude can't distinguish
between them: both categories are comprised of “packages that are
installed but not available from the sources scanned during the last
'apt update' run (or 'aptitude update').

I believe someone already wrote something along these lines in this
thread (maybe Max). In aptitude, the packages in question are all
grouped in the category named “Obsolete and Locally Created Packages”,
IMHO because there is no good way to programmatically distinguish
between them.

(A private package could very well be made available and installed from
a private repository; or alternatively, installed with 'dpkg -i' without
ever being put in an apt repository; therefore “has been installed in
the past from an apt repository” is not a good criterion to distinguish
between “obsolete packages” and “local” ones.)

Note: I mentioned private packages to simplify wording, but the
  “Obsolete and Locally Created Packages” category would also
  contain packages that users sometimes download from third-party
  websites[1], installing them with 'dpkg -i' or the 'apt' command
  line tool, without adding any repository to their
  sources.list(.d). All these are “local packages” from my POV.

Regards

[1] Printer drivers in .deb form, libdvdcss stuff, etc. (make sure the
source is trustworthy!)

-- 
Florent

Re: "Repeaters", etc.

[gene heskett]

On 5/30/24 06:30, Roger Price wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:


On 5/29/24 03:36, Roger Price wrote:

On Tue, 28 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:

On 5/28/24 00:28, Roger Price wrote:
I wired my place Cat5. A lot of work, and I regretted it.  I live 
in the hills behind Nice, an area with a lot of lightning.  The 
overhead line to my place took a hit and thanks to the Cat5 
conductivity I lost equipment.


How do you know that the damage your equipment suffered was due to 
the Cat 5e wiring and not due to the electrical power conductors?


Electrical power to my computers comes through 30mA differential 
circuit breakers to Eaton Ellipse 1600 UPS units. I had no such 
protection for the telephone signal, and I saw flashes at the 
telephone junction box.  So I summise that the Cat5 wiring did the 
damage.


Those UPS's should be able to protect telephone and Ethernet, in 
addition to electrical power.  Have you applied the UPS's to the 
former two?


The UPS's stand next to the workstations and well away from the place 
where the telephone line arrives, so I didn't use the UPS's to protect 
the telephone line. My fault.  Later I added a surge protector to the 
copper telephone line.  I am now in the process of migrating from copper 
to fiber so I will need an extra UPS next the fiber terminator.


Roger

===

https://www.eaton.com/sg/en-us/catalog/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/eaton-ellipse-pro-ups.html


PS: I once had a lightning strike direct to the house.  Frightening.  
Although every differential circuit breaker in the house tripped, the 
circuit board in the UPS melted.  But even when melting, it protected 
the Dell T7500. No damage to the T7500, no data lost. I took a photo of 
the melt, sent it to Eaton, and they replaced the UPS.


Since I did the grounding rebuild in 2008, I have seen the pole that 
supplies my house drop, take a direct hit at least twice. I've had zero 
damage. I've even been personally tapped once typeing on a wired 
keyboard. Amazingly the keyboard survived. The secret is that the whole 
house jumps maybe 100k volts in unison. There is little differential 
voltage to blow things. The NEC does know a thing or two about 
grounding. That and probably a kilojoule of surge absorbers that break 
down at around 180 volts differential. I did trip a 20 amp breaker, 
years ago, feeding my go704 mill which was on at the time. It has a 
motor power supply from hell and probably helps clamp the differential 
voltages on that leg of the power. Turning it on w/o a soft start 
circuit trips a 30 amp breaker 100% of the time. The PMDC motor it runs 
is a 1hp, but I've upped the voltage and currant to about 4 hp over a 
decade ago. And its still running on the OEM brushes.


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

installation d'une imprimante HP

[MERLIN Philippe]

Bonjour,
   Suite à une MAJ lourde d'un PC Debian testing, la MAJ était lourde car je 
n'avais pas fait de MAJ depuis longtemps
Sur mon petit réseau local géré  par un routeur Wifi sont connectés en 
permanence deux 
imprimants HP Wifi
Deux PC Debian se connectent également à se réseau un Pc Debian Sid AMD64  
connexion 
Wifi et un Pc Debian testing Amd64 connexion Filaire directement sur le routeur
.Je rencontre deux problèmes pour l'installation d'une imprimante HP sur ce 
dernier PC..

*1*   L'imprimante wifi n'est pas détectée automatiquement  par Cups cela veux 
dire que 
le DNSSD semble ne pas fonctionner sur le PC wifi cela fonctionne correctement. 
J'ai 
cherché des différences de configurations sur les deux PC je n'ai  rien trouvé 
(avahi ..).
une commande lancé sur une console :
*avahi-browse - r  _print-caps_tcp

*ne donne rien
*2*  Toujours avec  Cups si j'utilise la possibilité de l'installer par son 
adresse IP j'obtiens 
l'erreur suivante 
"impossible d'obtenir la liste des pilotes d'impression"
en lancant la commande suivante sur une console
*lpinfo - m*
j'obtiens seulement : *success*
la réinstallation*  *des paquets :  *printer-driver-  *(hplip,pdf, ) ne 
donne rien.
J'ai besoin de votre aide pour résoudre ces problèmes je sèche complètement et 
mes 
recherches sur Google sont vaines.
Je sais que normalement on doit écrire autant de messages que de problèmes 
rencontrés 
mais dans ce cas c'était difficile.
Toute idée pour résoudre les problèmes 1 ou 2 est la bienvenue.
Philippe Merlin

Re: activar pulseaudio

[Camaleón]

El 2024-05-30 a las 10:36 +0200, hubble hubble escribió:

> He actualizado desde Bullseye a la actual estable de debian.
> En general ha ido todo bien excepto en que cuando inicio sesión el altavoz 
> del sonido marca con un aspa roja que no está activo y no funciona el sonido.
> 
> desde la consola ejecuto:
> $ systemctl --user start pulseaudio
> 
> y el sonido funciona correctamente.
> 
> La pregunta es, ¿cómo hago para que quede fijo pulseaudio para siempre y no 
> tener que ejecutar esa orden cada vez que inicio sesión?

Asegúrate de que PA se ejecuta al inicio (enabled):

sm01@stt008:~$ systemctl --user status pulseaudio
● pulseaudio.service - Sound Service
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)
 Active: active (running) since Thu 2024-05-30 07:17:31 CEST; 5h 
45min ago
TriggeredBy: ● pulseaudio.socket
   Main PID: 597 (pulseaudio)
  Tasks: 2 (limit: 9512)
 Memory: 28.9M
CPU: 2.266s
 CGroup: 
/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/app.slice/pulseaudio.servi
ce
 └─597 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no 
--log-target=journal

may 30 07:17:27 stt008 systemd[582]: Starting Sound Service...
may 30 07:17:31 stt008 systemd[582]: Started Sound Service.

Para otras cosas a probar (configuración de Pavumeter, comprobar que no 
está silenciado por error, correcta deteccción del hardware de sonido, 
etc...) revisa la wiki de Archlinux:

PulseAudio/Troubleshooting
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Getting_debug_output_from_pulseaudio

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Next documenation riddle is what the word "local" means in output lines
> > like
> >   linux-image-5.10.0-rc2-ts/now 5.10.0-rc2-ts-37 amd64 [installed,local]

Florent Rougon wrote:
> I don't use this but guess it is as in aptitude, where “obsolete/local
> packages” are packages that are installed (from dpkg's POV) but not
> available from any of the repositories scanned in the last 'apt update'
> run.

So "local" would be just another word for "obsolete" ?

Indeed, the output of

  apt list '?installed !?obsolete' | grep local

shows only some packages with "locale" in their name, but none with
"local" in the []-brackets. On the other hand

  apt list '?installed ?obsolete' | grep -v 'local]$'

shows no packages, i.e. all lines of obsolete packages end by "local]".


Nevertheless it would be nice to find documentation about this kind of
info in the output of "apt list".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Core files on Debian Trixie

[Thomas Pircher]

Hi,

I have noticed that started getting core files on Debian testing
recently. I'm running a fairly standard installation with my own kernel
build.

I'm fine with this as default setting, but my knowledge in this area is
probably outdated, so I wanted to ask what the recommended way is
nowadays to disable corefiles globally.
Should I change the settings in /etc/security/limits.d/ or set
kernel.core_pattern in /etc/sysctl.d/?

Just being curious, what package/change enabled this change?

Thanks,
Thomas

Re: "Repeaters", etc.

[Roger Price]

On Wed, 29 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:


On 5/29/24 03:36, Roger Price wrote:

On Tue, 28 May 2024, David Christensen wrote:

On 5/28/24 00:28, Roger Price wrote:
I wired my place Cat5. A lot of work, and I regretted it.  I live in the 
hills behind Nice, an area with a lot of lightning.  The overhead line to 
my place took a hit and thanks to the Cat5 conductivity I lost equipment.


How do you know that the damage your equipment suffered was due to the Cat 
5e wiring and not due to the electrical power conductors?


Electrical power to my computers comes through 30mA differential circuit 
breakers to Eaton Ellipse 1600 UPS units. I had no such protection for the 
telephone signal, and I saw flashes at the telephone junction box.  So I 
summise that the Cat5 wiring did the damage.


Those UPS's should be able to protect telephone and Ethernet, in addition to 
electrical power.  Have you applied the UPS's to the former two?


The UPS's stand next to the workstations and well away from the place where the 
telephone line arrives, so I didn't use the UPS's to protect the telephone line. 
My fault.  Later I added a surge protector to the copper telephone line.  I am 
now in the process of migrating from copper to fiber so I will need an extra UPS 
next the fiber terminator.


Roger

===

https://www.eaton.com/sg/en-us/catalog/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/eaton-ellipse-pro-ups.html


PS: I once had a lightning strike direct to the house.  Frightening.  Although 
every differential circuit breaker in the house tripped, the circuit board in 
the UPS melted.  But even when melting, it protected the Dell T7500. No damage 
to the T7500, no data lost. I took a photo of the melt, sent it to Eaton, and 
they replaced the UPS.

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Florent Rougon]

Hi Thomas,

Le 30/05/2024, "Thomas Schmitt"  a écrit:

> Next documenation riddle is what the word "local" means in output lines
> like
>
>   linux-image-5.10.0-rc2-ts/now 5.10.0-rc2-ts-37 amd64 [installed,local]

I don't use this but guess it is as in aptitude, where “obsolete/local
packages” are packages that are installed (from dpkg's POV) but not
available from any of the repositories scanned in the last 'apt update'
run.

This happens in particular with:

  - packages that used to be in a repo seen by 'apt update' (often, you
installed said packages at that time), but are not included in your
current apt sources (/etc/apt/sources.list,
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/); this usually happens between Debian
releases for some packages shipped by Debian;

  - packages that are not in any of the repos seen by 'apt update' and
that you installed from .deb with 'dpkg -i' (I believe the apt
command line tool can also do this); for instance, local packages
you prepared yourself but didn't bother to put in an apt repository.

Regards

-- 
Florent

Re: tarjetas graficas

[Camaleón]

El 2024-05-28 a las 16:41 +0200, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

> > El mié, 22 may 2024 a las 13:38, laura () escribió:
> > >
> > > Tengo una duda acerca de cómo gestiona Debian el uso de las tarjetas 
> > > gráficas de mi portátil, un Lenovo G500s de hace unos cuantos años atrás. 
> > > Según parece el ordenador tiene 2 tarjetas gráficas, la intel y la Nvidia 
> > > GeForce GF117M. ¿Cómo puedo saber cuando está en uso una o la otra? Y, 
> > > seguro que no, pero con esta Nvidia, ¿podría instalar/usar alguna versión 
> > > de stable diffusion? ¿qué características son necesarias para poderlo 
> > > instalar?

(...)

> 
> Stable Diffusion : Install
> https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_12=stablediffusion
> 

Sobre la generación de imágenes generadas por IA, acabo de leer este 
artículo, sobre cómo generar esta tipo de imágenes en Linux con el 
navegador Opera y la nube (modelo Gemini) de Google.

Lo mando a la lista por si le resulta de utilidad a alguien:

Get AI-Generated Images for Free on Linux, Thanks to Google and Opera
https://news.itsfoss.com/generate-images-linux-opera-google/

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > But i am not sure whether the commercial package which i have to keep
> > will be preserved with "apt autoremove".
> > Is there a way to do a dry run which only tells what would happen if i
> > were more courageous ?

Mike Kupfer wrote:
> When I use "apt autoremove", I am given a list of proposed removals and
> a prompt about whether I want to proceed.

Good to know that there are safeguards when i finally remove some of the
"obsolete" packages.


I wrote:
> > How could i get a list of only the automatically installed obsolete
> > packages ?
> > (I still did not find any documentation about the '~c' or '~o' with
> > "apt list".)

Max Nikulin wrote:
> apt-patterns(7)

Wow. What kind of programming language can have inspired the developers
to define such a syntax ?
But hey, at least there is logic provided. \o/

So i try

  apt list '?installed ?obsolete ?automatic'

This narrows the list from 220 to 192 packages.
Even better, i don't have to diff the lists but can see the 28 other
obsolete packages by

  apt list '?installed ?obsolete !?automatic'

Among them are "hfsprogs", the self-made kernels, and the commercial
package which i need to keep.


Next documenation riddle is what the word "local" means in output lines
like

  linux-image-5.10.0-rc2-ts/now 5.10.0-rc2-ts-37 amd64 [installed,local]

(I may have missed something in the man pages of dpkg and dpkg-query, but
their occurences of the word "local" do not look like related to the info
from "apt list".)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Richard]

There have already been many answers. And since it's highly unlikely any
third party will include support for such a closed down system, you might
want to look at them. At least I don't think Google will suddenly open
source Nearby Share for everyone to write clients for it.

Am Do., 30. Mai 2024 um 11:00 Uhr schrieb Anssi Saari <
anssi.sa...@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi>:

> I'd like to know too, assuming you're asking for transferring files
> between Android and Linux.
>
> I'd like Quick Share support in Linux as it's built into Android and
> available for Windows. Someone has an early version at
> https://github.com/Martichou/rquickshare but I only got it working one
> way, Linux PC to phone and even that needed disabling the firewall on
> the PC. But maybe that'll improve.
>
>

Re: Pilote nvidia

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 30/05/2024 09:57, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:


- Mail original -
De: "Norbert Ponce"
À:debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 30 Mai 2024 09:11:35
Objet: Pilote nvidia

Bonjour,
J'ai dû faire une réinstallation après un changement de disque dur, je
suis sous Bookworm et j'ai des problèmes de frezze avec le pilote Nouveau.
nvidia-detect me répond:
Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is
only available up to bullseye.
Je ne sais pas comment on fait pour récupérer ce pilote et pour l'installer.
Merci de votre aide

Bonjour,

Voici ce qu'il est possible d'obtenir :

apt search nvidia-legacy 390 |awk '{print $1}'



libegl-nvidia-legacy-390xx0/unstable
NVIDIA

libegl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glvnd-glx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgles-nvidia-legacy-390xx1/unstable
NVIDIA

libgles-nvidia-legacy-390xx2/unstable
NVIDIA

libglx-nvidia-legacy-390xx0/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-cfg1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-compiler/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-cuda1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-eglcore/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-encode1/unstable
NVENC

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-fatbinaryloader/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-fbc1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-glcore/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ifr1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ml1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-nvcuvid1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ptxjitcompiler1/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-alternative/unstable
allows

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-bin/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs-nonglvnd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-egl-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-source/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-support/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-nonglvnd-vulkan-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-opencl-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-smi/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-vdpau-driver/unstable
Video

nvidia-legacy-390xx-vulkan-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-390xx/unstable
NVIDIA


Après, il est nécessaire que le fichier sources.list
soit convenablement renseigné...




En plus, tout dépend de l'usage que l'on fait de la carte Nvidia sous Linux.


Le cas le plus simple (et le plus courant) est d'afficher des fenêtres 
"ordinaires", par exemple GNU emacs, un terminal (xterm, gnome-terminal, 
etc...). Dans ce cas simple, il est probable que 
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-390xx/unstable soit suffisant.


Si on veut afficher des vidéos, il est probable que d'autres paquets 
soient nécessaires.


Le cas complexe est l'utilisation de la carte comme périphérique de 
calcul sous CUDA (ou OpenCL). C'est rarement utile, les noyaux de calcul 
utilisant CUDA (cf https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-toolkit ...) ou 
OpenCL (voir https://opencl.org/ ) doivent être adaptés au matériel 
exact, ne sont pas portables d'un matériel au suivant, et pour ceux qui 
en ont besoin en Europe (par exemple pour https://www.tensorflow.org/ ou 
https://opencv.org/ ) il est économiquement justifié d'acheter -ou 
de louer- du matériel bien plus onéreux et plus récent (à l'achat plus 
de 10k€).


Librement

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(only mine opinions / les opinions sont miennes uniquement)
8 rue de la Faïencerie, 92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France
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See/voir:https://github.com/RefPerSys/RefPerSys

Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[Sébastien Dinot]

Bonjour à tous,

Je viens d'envoyer un mail à la personne qui demande le désabonnement,
dans lequel je lui propose de la guider dans la procédure. Nous verrons
bien si elle y donne suite.

Sébastien

-- 
Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr
http://www.palabritudes.net/
Ne goutez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

[Anssi Saari]

Carter Zhang  writes:

> Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over LAN? 
> There have already been LocalSend, LanXchange,
> LANDrop, NitroShare, Sharik, Warpinator, TrebleShot, but they have respective 
> problems. 

I'd like to know too, assuming you're asking for transferring files
between Android and Linux.

I'd like Quick Share support in Linux as it's built into Android and
available for Windows. Someone has an early version at
https://github.com/Martichou/rquickshare but I only got it working one
way, Linux PC to phone and even that needed disabling the firewall on
the PC. But maybe that'll improve.

activar pulseaudio

[hubble hubble]

Hola,
He actualizado desde Bullseye a la actual estable de debian.
En general ha ido todo bien excepto en que cuando inicio sesión el altavoz del 
sonido marca con un aspa roja que no está activo y no funciona el sonido.

desde la consola ejecuto:
$ systemctl --user start pulseaudio

y el sonido funciona correctamente.

La pregunta es, ¿cómo hago para que quede fijo pulseaudio para siempre y no 
tener que ejecutar esa orden cada vez que inicio sesión?

Gracias.

Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[didier gaumet]

Le 30/05/2024 à 09:37, David PINSON a écrit :

Bonjour,

Qui est le modérateur/administrateur de la liste 
debian-user-french@lists.debian.org ?


il n'y a pas de modérateur sur cette liste mail.
d'après la FAQ, l"administration peut être contactée à l'adresse 
listmas...@lists.debian.org par un mail en *anglais* quand on n'est pas 
arrivé pas à se désabonner en suivant la procédure adéquate.



Cette personne n'est pas en mesure de le faire par elle-même,
merci de supprimer le directement depuis votre interface de gestion.


j'ai renvoyé par la page web de (dés)abonnement 
(https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe) une demande pour 
l'adresse avec laquelle la personne a posté, qui est a priori celle sur 
laquelle elle reçoit les mails de la liste.
Le problème est que le désabonnement doit être confirmé: l'automate 
envoie une demande de confirmation de désabonnement et si la personne ne 
répond pas, le désabonnement n'a pas lieu (pour éviter les 
désabonnements malveillants par un tiers)

Re: Pilote nvidia

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
De: "Norbert Ponce" 
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 30 Mai 2024 09:11:35
Objet: Pilote nvidia

Bonjour,
J'ai dû faire une réinstallation après un changement de disque dur, je 
suis sous Bookworm et j'ai des problèmes de frezze avec le pilote Nouveau.
nvidia-detect me répond:
Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is 
only available up to bullseye.
Je ne sais pas comment on fait pour récupérer ce pilote et pour l'installer.
Merci de votre aide

Bonjour,

Voici ce qu'il est possible d'obtenir :

apt search nvidia-legacy 390 |awk '{print $1}'



libegl-nvidia-legacy-390xx0/unstable
NVIDIA

libegl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glvnd-glx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glx/unstable
NVIDIA

libgles-nvidia-legacy-390xx1/unstable
NVIDIA

libgles-nvidia-legacy-390xx2/unstable
NVIDIA

libglx-nvidia-legacy-390xx0/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-cfg1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-compiler/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-cuda1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-eglcore/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-encode1/unstable
NVENC

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-fatbinaryloader/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-fbc1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-glcore/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ifr1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ml1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-nvcuvid1/unstable
NVIDIA

libnvidia-legacy-390xx-ptxjitcompiler1/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-alternative/unstable
allows

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-bin/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs-nonglvnd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-egl-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-source/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-support/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-nonglvnd-vulkan-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-opencl-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-smi/unstable
NVIDIA

nvidia-legacy-390xx-vdpau-driver/unstable
Video

nvidia-legacy-390xx-vulkan-icd/unstable
NVIDIA

xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-390xx/unstable
NVIDIA


Après, il est nécessaire que le fichier sources.list 
soit convenablement renseigné...


Merci pour votre aimable attention

Bien à vous
Bernard

Re: Pilote nvidia

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 5/30/24 09:11, Norbert Ponce wrote:

Bonjour,
J'ai dû faire une réinstallation après un changement de disque dur, je 
suis sous Bookworm et j'ai des problèmes de frezze avec le pilote 
Nouveau.



Quelle est la sortie de la commande /usr/bin/lspci? Quel est le contenu 
de votre fichier /etc/X11/xorg.conf ou du répertoire /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/



Arrivez vous à lancer le serveur Xorg (par exemple avec /usr/bin/startx)


Quel est le contenu du fichier  /var/log/Xorg.0.log après lancement de 
/usr/bin/startx (ou directement de Xorg avec les arguments qui lui vont 
bien)?



nvidia-detect me répond:
Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is 
only available up to bullseye.
Je ne sais pas comment on fait pour récupérer ce pilote et pour 
l'installer.



Une possibilité est de télécharger puis d'utiliser un pilote Nvidia 
propriétaire.


Une autre possibilité (si l'ordinateur n'est pas un portable, mais est 
un ordinateur de bureau) serait d'acheter une carte graphique autre 
(plutôt AMD, qui est moins hostile au logiciel libre et à Linux que 
Nvidia) par exemple chez https://materiel.net/



Merci de votre aide


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Re: Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[David PINSON]

Bonjour,

Qui est le modérateur/administrateur de la liste 
debian-user-french@lists.debian.org ?


Cette personne n'est pas en mesure de le faire par elle-même,
merci de supprimer le directement depuis votre interface de gestion.

Librement vôtre,
David

Le 30/05/2024 à 09:33, jacques.briquet a écrit :





Envoyé de mon mobile

Re: Pilote nvidia

[Emmanuel FARHI]

Bonjour Norbert,

il me semble qu'il existe un driver 'tesla' :

- sudo apt install nvidia-tesla-driver nvidia-tesla-opencl-icd 
nvidia-tesla-alternative nvidia-settings-tesla


qui est adapté au anciennes cartes graphiques.

Emmanuel.


Le 30/05/2024 à 09:11, Norbert Ponce a écrit :

Bonjour,
J'ai dû faire une réinstallation après un changement de disque dur, je 
suis sous Bookworm et j'ai des problèmes de frezze avec le pilote 
Nouveau.

nvidia-detect me répond:
Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is 
only available up to bullseye.
Je ne sais pas comment on fait pour récupérer ce pilote et pour 
l'installer.

Merci de votre aide


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Suppression de jacques briquet dcd

[jacques.briquet]

Envoyé de mon mobile

Pilote nvidia

[Norbert Ponce]

Bonjour,
J'ai dû faire une réinstallation après un changement de disque dur, je 
suis sous Bookworm et j'ai des problèmes de frezze avec le pilote Nouveau.

nvidia-detect me répond:
Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is 
only available up to bullseye.

Je ne sais pas comment on fait pour récupérer ce pilote et pour l'installer.
Merci de votre aide