Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Micha Feiginmi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:22:38 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/22 Peter Crawford creature...@hotmail.com: Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Eventually you might find DirectFB acceptable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectFB Lack of XDirectFB in Debian is a limitation for now. thank you, I think DirectFB is the right direction, while X window is a strange way for graphic system. I hope I can find a DirectFB implementation of window system to replace gnome. I'm afraid that you are out of lucks as DirectFB won't help your cause either as there are VERY few programs that support it. I think that there is a media player, image viewer and possibly a pdf viewer, but not much more. You won't find anything similar to gnome unless you start writing it. Most gui programs depend explicitly on xorg calls so won't run without x windows. You are mostly limited to the console with tcsh and try to ignore the face that your whole startup and parts of your project management depend on sh, possibly also perl. Some of the build procedures for you faivorite programs also probably depend on some scripting language or other. I'm not aware of any pure c building environment. it doesn't matter, I have prepared to build my system from BIOS. or even build a computer first. regards, p. crawford _ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Micha Feiginmi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:53 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:18 PM, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. Boy, I didn't realize that by junior programmer you meant you were that inexperienced in the field. I don't know if you realize that you've just basically said you are either unwilling or unable to understand the different reasons for different languages. EACH language is a tool, and each one is a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose. I will give an example to deny your opinion - a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose Sql is a language for database operation, but what microsoft doing is to use C# replacing sql, by linq. I don't like microsoft, but I like the way they developing C#, the only one language for microsoft will be C#, I guess. The only one language for microsoft is c#, oh wait, its visual basic, sorry wait a minute it's forms for the gui, assembly in the drivers in if you start digging you will find that half the system management is using scripts and batch scripts of one sort or another. I mean .net framework, I don't know they use scripts so heavily, but I think they are reducing the use of scripts, you even cannot find a command line console in vista. Then what's the only one language for linux? I think it's C/C++. I'm afraid you are out of luck. All the init scripts are as the name sugests, scripts (you may get away without bash but you won't get away without sh which is basically simple bash). You probably should compile the kernel as compilation includes scripts (assuming you don't have problems with make files), emacs is out of the question as half of it is writen in elisp (variant of list). Vim may be ok, don't know. You can try dos, but the startup agian depends on batch scripts. OSx likes objectiveC more than c++, but there is also quite a bit of apple script and it's unix behind the scene which means perl, bash, python, etc. It is rarely a whim why a programmer picks one language over another. There I found that it's usually due to a whim and a bunch of buzz words. Usually it's the program you know, but quite often this is due to you picking your initial language to match the programming you like. I also do find that a lot of people, esspecially windows people BTW, tend to be narrow minded and lock into one programming language, usually it's c++ or c#. A lot of times its' the managers who don't know anything about programing that choose the language. I feel very strange that you have learnt so many languages but you do not feel bored with them. I have no words to say, maybe we are 2 different people. are often several, if not many reasons why one language is more appropriate and better for a job than another is. But there's no point in continuing any discussion. You've made it quite clear you're too busy being right to care what anyone more experienced has to say -- unless it's what you want to hear. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Micha Feiginmi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:18:16 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. What you are saying is that you just don't want tools around. First of all they don't have the same function (and if you'd use them you'd know). And if you knew something you would know that c may be powerful but it is far from simple. There are things you can do in python in one line that you would need 100s of lines of code with c. 100s of lines of C code? how about drop the 100 lines into a function? Don't try to kill a fly with a cannon, or to quote I don't remember who: c is a language that has the power of assembly and the ease of use of assembly ... -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Cowley Harriswarewo...@gmail.com wrote: This guy asked a relatively simple question which I'm paraphrasing here as can you run Debian without perl or python, the answer is pretty much no. He gave his reasons for the question and his opinion on the answers he was given. He's also started probably the most interesting thread on this list for a while. As I've read it, he's not attacked anyone personally even when disagreeing with people and yet he is being personally attacked for his opinions. Well, here is my opinion, if you feel threatened enough by someone who disagrees with you, that you must insult them, it's a sign of a weak logic or a weak mind. It's the reaction typical of a zealot, fool or troll and not the response of someone with some useful knowledge to share. I don't agree with him that a one programming language system would be the right way to do things or that it would lead to a bright future of our free software world. but I'm not going to insult him for his belief. In fact it might be a good thing that he tries this endeavor. Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people. GB Shaw. The benefits of multiple languages over a 1 language system (1LS) is that it gives you the ability to program at the appropriate level of the problem space. The studies show that the higher level you program the more instructions you have per line, and yet the bugs per line stay about the same. The studies also show that the amount of LOC produced by programmers of the same skill level is about the same, whether they use assembly, c or java, and yet the amount of instructions per LOC increase with level of the language. More productivity in the same time span is a major advantage. On a personal note, I think that programmers that use different languages can communicate in meta-programming terms, a hash-table is a hash-table whether you call it a hash or a dictionary. The benefits of a 1LS would be small in comparison to the benefits of plural system. thank you! I thought they are kind to give me advice, but I'm wrong, they just want to laught at me, it doesn't matter, I finally know it, and maybe next time I will discover it earlier. I still insist my ideal: one language for computer programming! H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/24 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:02 PM, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Jeff Soules sou...@gmail.com: I open this thread as a programmer, you can ignore my questions about programming in the future, but you should not ignore my questions as a debian user. Right now you are showing that you're a person who asks for advice, but does not listen to the response. People value their time and will not take the time to respond to someone like this, whether you're speaking as a programmer, a Debian user, an artist, or a fisherman. Don't waste people's time. Ever. yes i'm asking for advice, and I'm very happy to get so many good advices, and I'm trying to form a solution to include all the good advices, I'm not wasting other's time, we are just discussing and trying to figure out the best way. No, we're not figuring out the best way. All of US are telling you that you're off your rocker and on a fool's quest. You're saying, But you're wrong and I'm right. I give you much respect, but you give me laughing, I will not respect you anymore, no thanks, good bye! You talk about how different languages are just different ways to do the same thing. Well... okay... but you're writing to this list in English. From your sig and your name you're obviously a native Chinese speaker. Aren't English and Chinese just different ways to say the same thing? If you don't understand them both well, you might think so. But some things are much easier to do in one language versus the other. 飄飄何所似, 天地一沙鷗 -- in English, is it 'just the same thing?' It's not that Chinese is just better, there are plenty of things that are more natural in English than in Chinese. Just the same, if all you see in Perl is wrappers around C functions--if you think none of them bring new concepts [or clarity or simplicity] to C/C++ -- then you don't understand Perl. And you need to. Without lots of different ways of thinking about problems, you're like a frog in a well, saying look how small the sky is! A very good comparison -- human languages and programming languages. Then why we must have an official world language - English? What's the official language in the programming world? If you say you do not need an official programming language, then you are saying we do not need English to be the world official language, I believe no one will agree with you; if you say every programmer should learn many languages, then you are saying everyone should learn English, Chinese, French, oh, I believe everyone will hate you so much, I guess you are also a chinese, you should know how suffering we chinese have to learn English. Comparisons hold true on some levels, but few hold true on every level. In this case, you're taking one argument and stretching it beyond any boundary of logic or common sense. Yeah, I could go into it more, but why? You'll just say, But I'm right and you're not. I value every good concept in every language, No you don't. If you did, you'd understand the main message you've been told dozens of times. but please add that good concept to my familiar language, not force me to learn a new one; Nobody's forcing you to learn a darn thing. You don't have to do nothing -- except pay taxes and die (and I honestly don't know how taxes work in your country). You make it sound like a chore to learn a new language. For a true programmer it isn't. Learning a new language, for a real and true programmer, is and adventure. It's a chance to approach all problems from yet another perspective. I learned most languages in a few hours or days. When I first started looking at OOP, it took me a while, but once I got it, working with other OOP based languages was a snap. If you feel like you're being forced to learn languages, then you're in the wrong field. But after reading that line, I wonder Is all this because you have trouble with some languages -- it looks like you're essentially trying to go through all this so you don't have to learn languages you don't want to learn. I've never seen someone work so hard due to fear and sloth. or, I can reference another language so that I can improve my language, but please do not force me to use a new one. Nobody is forcing you to learn anything. You don't want to learn one, don't learn it. Quit the job -- but then when you want a new job, don't be surprised if they ask you why you quit that last one! Honestly, that you can even talk about being forced to learn a language, that you even have that as a concept in your brain, says even more about you. It tells us you don't want to learn something new. It tells us you don't want to explore. It tells us you see programming more as a chore than an art or challenge. It also says that we should have sympathy for whoever hires you as a programmer. The way computers working is simple, so there isn't any difficulties to implement
is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/24 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:10 PM, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 8:00 AM, 明覺 wrote: ... Looks like a strange idea to me to run a one programming language only system, it would hint that there's a one fits all language and other are just for decoration purpose... (Well, some may agree I guess ;-) ) yes, currently, I'm almost a one programming language only people, I can accept the existence of other languages, but I think they should be optional, not necessory! Necessary for what?! For you to use a computer? It seems as though you're being unreasonable (on many fronts), but if you are not fan of certain software, then don't use it. Don't bitch about how it was developed. Those folks (eg., gnome, X.org, etc.) produced a product the way that they did and then offered it to the masses for free. cliche Beggers can't be choosers. /cliche you treat yourself a begger, I'm not, I'm a chooser. Happy begging to you! A rose by any other name is still a rose. You can call yourself a chooser, but your actions show you to be a begger. Thanks for the long reply! I still do not think I'm a begger, as I have decided to work on the MikeOS, which is a assembly language programmed free OS. Of cause, currently I need to use Vista or Debian for everyday life, but my heart is on my own programmed OS, and I hope I will switch to my own OS after some years. You're a beggar. You want what you want from other people in an easy format so they've packaged it for you. When you're asking others for something, you're the beggar. You can TRY to also be the chooser, but if that were the case, and you were a chooser, then you'd be selecting from several available choices. I don't agree with you, I'm just looking for some people who have the same thinking with me, I'm not begging from them, for they also need my paticipation very much. 1) You're being literal and focusing on exact meanings, instead of interpreting the entire idiom. 2) We all look at our situation and interpret it with us having the highest and best goals. None of us look at ourselves as clearly as those who look from a distance. I sure know my ideal is far from the reality, but I think the meaning of life is to spend some time in realizing my ideal. First, when you look at what's in even just a minimal Linux install, there is no way you're ever going to get through working on more than a few programs in the next few years. Second, when a programmer writes a program, if he has any wisdom (which is knowledge gained through experience, hence the more years, the more experience and the more wisdom), he will use the right tool for the right job. For instance, I need to use mainly Perl and Java, but have used many other languages. I find I can code 5x faster in Perl than Java and about the same, maybe better if I use Perl instead of C++. Hardly any of my Perl code is done as a wrapper for a C or C++ program. It is valid code that does a LOT of work and does it well. Since it's text processing, to do the same work in C or C++ would be a nightmare. If we setup proper C/C++ library for text processing, we can reach the same effect as Perl, why cannot? for any piece of perl code, I believe I'm able to write a piece of C++ code as simple to replace it, on top of a proper library. It's the same for python, java and other languages. I worked on C# for 4 years, it's also a very efficient language, but I can drop it, for I know, C# is just C++ with a good library, the .net framework, but its cost is an additional layer, the .net runtime and its intermedia language. There are C and C++ text processing libraries. They don't have the power of Perl or Python or other languages. C has been around for decades and contributed to and worked on and used by many, MANY programmers. These people have more experience than you or I and their combined experience is enormous. If C was such a great language for doing every thing out there, and we'll use text processing as an example, why haven't these people released libraries that do all that Perl does already? One answer is that good question, why haven't released those C libraries? I will release one in the future, I'm sure I'm able to replace perl by C, including change C a little, but changing C a little is much better than creating a new language like perl. When you get into writing them, I think you'll see. Actually, it's kind of funny to look at this and see a young and inexperienced programmer thinking he's going to be able to do what many, many master programmers have never felt appropriate or reasonably possible. This is one statement, of a number that you've made, both to me and on the Debian list, that show you really do not understand a number
Re: any substitute for x window system?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Norbert Zehn...@cs.dal.ca wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:22:36AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Douglas A. Tuttydtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:58:22AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I'm looking for a pure c/c++ programmed desktop manager, while the xorg is depandent on perl, so i do not like it, is there any graphics system which depands only on c/c++ to replace x window system? thanks I think that you'll find that you need to start writing things from scratch yourself. Since debian requires perl (e.g for debconf), you'll be better off with NetBSD. Then, write a program in C that looks at every non-binary file to see if what language its in. Can you tolerate shell scripts? If not, you'll have to write a C-based initscript. This may be easier on BSD since it doesn't use SysVinit. Take away the ideological furvor. It would be an excellent learning experience to rewrite, from scratch, everything in NetBSD that is not C. It would be very hard with Debian since every time you update, you'll have to do it all over again. thanks, I got a better choice, the assembly language programmed OS - MikeOS, I prefer assembly to C/C++. So, to summarize some of your earlier posts: you want to recreate an entire OS in C/C++ or preferably assembly, including a replication of GUI functionality such as the one provided by X11-based desktop systems, and you'll probably want to do this alone because you won't accept help from somebody who says that languages that have built-in garbage collection, powerful string processing facilities, and ways to express high-level concepts more succinctly than C/C++ may be the better tool for some (major) parts of the job. Well, I happily expect the release of its first beta by 2050, by which time most of us will have spent our lives making *meaningful* contributions in our jobs (apart from other even more enjoyable things). Your statement that One Microsoft Way would be okay if it was free software just underlines that you don't understand what many posters before have been trying to tell you. There are different tools for different jobs. Some of my colleagues love Windows and everything else that comes from M$. I hate it an love Linux because the latter gives me more choice in the tools I use and allows me to be more productive. (Of course, there's the whole stability thing and the idealism of free software, too ;) .) Are my colleagues right? Am I right? The answer is: both. They chose Windows because it works for them, I chose linux because it works for me. The goal is productivity and using your time wisely. I know you've claimed before that all programming languages you learned so far do the same thing. So I feel I need to put some effort into preventing you from springing this one on me. At a low level, you are right. They all somehow translate into native machine code. But that's the only degree to which your statement is correct. Does C have garbage collection? Does it have regular expressions built into the language? Does it allow you to pass unnamed code blocks as function arguments such as Ruby? Does it support Common Lisp's notion of a closure? Does it support partial function application as in Haskell? The answer to all these questions is no. Is there something you can do in these languages that you can't do in C? No - exactly because C and many other languages are Turing-complete. However, many things are much easier to express, in a fraction of the lines of code, in higher-level languages than in C/C++. And that saves time. On that happy note, I won't waste more time on this and can only hope that you'll wake up before you waste your entire life. -N -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org thanks for your advice! But I have decided to spend my life to develop a one programming language system, that's my ideal. -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Nate Bargmannn...@n0nb.us wrote: * 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 24 00:45 -0500]: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Hilco Wijbengahilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: And have you thought about make, m4, gcc, autotools? They all have/are their own language that you need to learn. gcc uses Lisp (or something like it) internally, are you now no longer going to use a compiler? No more make because it requires you to learn its language? How are you going to build your code? I don't know gcc uses Lisp, I thought gcc is prgrammed in C, maybe I can use only the C programmed part of Gcc, or I can develop my own compiler by asm if I do not like gcc. Then get cracking. Had you spent half as much time doing some research (the source is there, Luke) as you have done carrying on with these silly assertions and non sequiturs you might accurately understand the scope of your foolishness. I can tell you now, I really do not like gcc, for it supports so many useless languages, I surely will write my own compiler. What a pity you are! In case I'm wrong, get back to work, Linus! - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: any substitute for x window system?
2009/6/24 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: thanks for your advice! But I have decided to spend my life to develop a one programming language system, that's my ideal. What kind of advice are you looking for? One that agrees with you? If so, I think you've received it (buried in the mass amount of responses, no doubt). 1) it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl? -yes and you were offered various suggestions, but of course there is X that must be dealt with. So, you can have you wm/de without a GUI . . . yikes! 2) any substitute for x window system? - not at the moment. That is, there are none out there now. So, you're welcome to develop one yourself/ Although, there is really no need for one with regard to your project. 3) (In general) is it possible to have an OS independent of everything non-C/C++? - yes (with various qualifications) Other than that, I see no reason for you to continue this discussion (here, anyway), for you received responses from many, many folks and you have not provided any more/new insight into your project. We've simply read that you have it over and over (along with redundant advice). You have your ideals and appear to be quite steadfast about them. Again, I wish you luck. I have ended the discussion, but you continued it again, please take back your reply, I do not need your summary. -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Dale Harrisrod...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 02:45:45PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: thank you! I thought they are kind to give me advice, but I'm wrong, they just want to laught at me, it doesn't matter, I finally know it, and maybe next time I will discover it earlier. I still insist my ideal: one language for computer programming! There is one language for all computer programming, it's the machine language. Everything reduces to that. It's all a bunch of ones and zeros. But then are you running on an Intel based platform, MIPS, ARM? Oh darn, different assembly languages. Face it, now speaking in metaphor, trying to insist on a hammer when you need a screwdriver will just make your life a living hell. You must be adaptable. you do not understand me, and I've been tired to explain my thoughts. thanks. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: any substitute for x window system?
2009/6/24 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2009/6/24 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: 2009/6/24 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: thanks for your advice! But I have decided to spend my life to develop a one programming language system, that's my ideal. What kind of advice are you looking for? One that agrees with you? If so, I think you've received it (buried in the mass amount of responses, no doubt). 1) it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl? -yes and you were offered various suggestions, but of course there is X that must be dealt with. So, you can have you wm/de without a GUI . . . yikes! 2) any substitute for x window system? - not at the moment. That is, there are none out there now. So, you're welcome to develop one yourself/ Although, there is really no need for one with regard to your project. 3) (In general) is it possible to have an OS independent of everything non-C/C++? - yes (with various qualifications) Other than that, I see no reason for you to continue this discussion (here, anyway), for you received responses from many, many folks and you have not provided any more/new insight into your project. We've simply read that you have it over and over (along with redundant advice). You have your ideals and appear to be quite steadfast about them. Again, I wish you luck. I have ended the discussion, but you continued it again, please take back your reply, I do not need your summary. . . . . then stop responding to every response (including this one). Also, expect more to come. Oh ya . . . I take back my reply. good -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Goodbye debian
I do not have time to read your replies about another discussion anymore for they are useless, and I do not feel happy with all you debian guys, so I leave this mailing list, also debian has no attraction to me anymore, I will stop using it from now. As I have decalared, I will build my own OS and applications by a Only One Programming Lanuguage way. Good bye! :) -- 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:35 PM, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Napoleon rri0...@attglobal.net: 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. What you haven't learned is there are different languages FOR A REASON! No one language is best for everything. For instance - I can code web pages in C/C++ - but it is much faster for me to do it in PHP, Perl or Java. The same is true with anything else. I've got over 40 years of programming experience; in that time I've forgotten more languages than you have ever learned. Some no longer even exist. But every one of them had certain advantages and disadvantages - and those differences were a major reason why the languages were chosen for their particular projects. You don't like the way different languages handle strings - well, guess what. If they all did everything the same way, they wouldn't be different languages! To be blunt (like others) - so you don't like the fact different languages are being used on your system. There is no way you're going to be able to rewrite all that code in C/C++ in your lifetime. So you have two choices. You can accept that fact and continue to learn, using the tools available to you, no matter what language, just like the rest of us do. Or, you can continue to bitch about it and make yourself miserable. In this case, I suggest you try another profession - if you can't get over this little bit, you are not suited to be a programmer. This will just be the first of many frustrations for you. And one more thing - you can continue to bitch in this email list, but if you do, it won't be long before people will stop responding to you - for ANY post, even when you're asking for help. I open this thread as a programmer, you can ignore my questions about programming in the future, but you should not ignore my questions as a debian user. I don't know if your culture is aware of the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but you might want to look it up and see what it says. The main point is that if people get used to seeing your emails following a pattern, after a while, they're not going to bother to read the same comments and lines of reasoning over and over if they have never found them interesting in the past. I think I'm talking about something interesting and serious, I hope there will be someone who is also interested in my thoughts, for those who ignore my questions, I can understand, not everyone will agree with me. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Frank Lin PIATfp...@klabs.be wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 17:40 +0800, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks Let's throw some data into this discussion: [..] Debconf needs perl. And you won't have much of a Debian system without debconf. I wouldn't try removing that one. I have quickly analyzed the files in my /usr/bin: 235 shell script 71 python programs 241 perl programs 986 ELF programs So does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks Which company would hire a programmer that is unwilling to learn/use anything but C/C++? Your employability is low, and it will get lower and lower. Sorry for telling you the truth, but you can't live in a world with only C/C++ I'm looking for a job, and the title of my resume is Asm, C, C++ programmer, if I can find a job, I win; if I cannot, you win. :) Franklin -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Richard Hectorrich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 12:21 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 8:00 AM, 明覺 wrote: ... cliche Beggers can't be choosers. /cliche you treat yourself a begger, I'm not, I'm a chooser. Happy begging to you! A rose by any other name is still a rose. You can call yourself a chooser, but your actions show you to be a begger. Many people would say the same about people like me who refuse to have any more dealings than necessary with Windows. There's room for people with ideals. IIRC RMS prefers software to be written in C (not C++; they're different languages) for similar reasons. thank you for the information, but I like C++ for its object oriented, maybe it's because i'm too influenced by C# and .net framework; but for bottom and startup code, I'd prefer asm and C. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Jochen Schulzm...@well-adjusted.de wrote: 明覺: thanks, but before I got the benifit of so many languages, I have been tired of learning them, maybe it cannot be called learning, it's just some parallel memory, for none of them bring new concepts to C/C++. This is plain wrong. How do you do closures in C/C++? What about higher order functions, pattern matching, dynamic typing? How do you even dare dynamic typing is so easy, for every object is a piece of memory, so a dynamic type is just a memory type. I believe every language has its own advantages, my solution is to integrate all the advantages of all the languages into one language, which can be called any name, not only C/C++, just because gnu/linux is mainly written in C and C++ is the widely used OOP language, so I choose C/C++ as the basis. In this way, we get all the benifit, and avoid all the overlappings among different languages. to complain about SQL (in another post of yours), if your only complaint is that it is unlike C in some respects? SQL (without stored procedures) is not even turing complete! I surely dare to complain sql, it's a programming languge with all the general functions such as string processing, can't you hear the complaint from most programmers? microsoft has even replaced sql programming by .net framework. If you think I complain sql and other languages just because they are unlike C, you are too hard to communicate with. If you already know the terms I mentioned and still think they don't add anything to what's already in C/C++ then you didn't understand them. J. -- Nothing is as I planned it. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpAuXEACgkQ+AfZydWK2zkcCACdFwBDimeLaDsEmUMKaS+m538u ZcIAnRMQmtw186Ogzhud8Cx5GzZ9V2uN =ZQgK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Lisi Reiszlisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 03:35:08 明覺 wrote: I open this thread as a programmer, you can ignore my questions about programming in the future, but you should not ignore my questions as a debian user. a) Why *shouldn't* we ignore your Debian questions if we happen to feel like it? I only suggest you not ignore my quetsion, of cause you can deny my suggestion. b) Debian user? But you have already said that you dislike the way Debian is written and are switching over to MikeOS. Be our guest. Well, I dislike microsoft, but I'm using Vista; I dislike perl and python in debian, but I'm using debian; I dislike the web browser in gNewSense, but I'm using gNewSense. I imagine that many, if not most, of us are very happy Debian users who are grateful for advice from those more experienced than ourselves, and very, very grateful to the developers. Being grateful doesn't mean I agree with them totally, it's a so simple logic. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 20090623111601.gp19...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote: 明覺: thanks, but before I got the benifit of so many languages, I have been tired of learning them, maybe it cannot be called learning, it's just some parallel memory, for none of them bring new concepts to C/C++. This is plain wrong. How do you do closures in C/C++? Function-objects. (Examples in STL.) What about higher order functions, Function-objects plus tuple types. (Tuple types in latest C++ standard, I think; In Boost anyway.) pattern matching, That same way it's done it other languages, either statically (in C++ using templates) or slowly and painfully. dynamic typing? Bah. As long as the language is strongly typed, I prefer all my types to be static. Type errors should be detected before run time. [I'm only willing to let value errors slip until run time so I can accept user input. ;)] Still. C++ is neither strongly nor dynamically typed, which is quite unfortunate, but are language choices. In comparision, it would be fairly impossible to do weak, static typing in Ruby or Python, too. I don't agree with the OP, though. Languages like Perl, Python, PHP, and Ruby allow you to trade off (very little) run time or memory for (usually a lot) of man-hours. CPU cycles and RAM is much cheaper than Labor costs at those ratios, and *all* of those languages have some way of calling into C/C++ for things that just have to be written in those languages. I think the OP need to spend some time with Haskel, Erlang, Prolog, and Lisp. teaseOnly *then* can you truly learn to *hate* non C-based languages. ;)/tease Thank you, my plan is to first learn C/C++, then learn other languages, I learn other languages in order to extract out their advantages into C/C++, not for using them, of cause, before I have the ability to modify the g++ compilers as I like. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Henning Follmannhfollm...@itcfollmann.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:39:53AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: [...] Boy, I didn't realize that by junior programmer you meant you were that inexperienced in the field. I don't know if you realize that you've just basically said you are either unwilling or unable to understand the different reasons for different languages. EACH language is a tool, and each one is a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose. I will give an example to deny your opinion - a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose Sql is a language for database operation, but what microsoft doing is to use C# replacing sql, by linq. I don't like microsoft, but I like the way they developing C#, the only one language for microsoft will be C#, I guess. Then what's the only one language for linux? I think it's C/C++. Oh boy, I call BS! linq by no means replaces sql. It maybe a layer on top of (also) sql. But even the .NET (NOT c#!!) is not coherent. An MS does not gravitate only to c#. Linq is to replace sql from the bottom, select ... from... where has been a part of the C#(.net framework) language itself, and there is even a more formal way to write the select...from...where in C#, not on top of anything else, even store procedure for sql server can be programmed and deployed in C# already. [...] -- Henning Follmann | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com it consultant | www.itcfollmann.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
of a good Linux distro so you can... mess around with the way your personal hardware handles filesystem journaling, or memory allocation, or something? That's really the most interesting problem you can think of solving with computers? Yes, I myself won't be able to do all the work, but if there are many people agree with me, and we work together to realize an only one programming language system, that will be a bright future of our free software world. You really need to rethink your priorities. A mature person would accept that when a solution has been endorsed by thousands of people over decades, there might be something worthwhile to it, even if it is unfamiliar at first. The majority isn't always right, but their ideas are at least worth considering. no, I don't consider the number of people and the length of time a situation exists, I just consider whether it's the right way to do things. thank you for the advice! Good luck. ~Jeff Soules 2009/6/22 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Hilco Wijbengahilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/21 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? (This is in response to various comments/answers you gave, not just this initial email.) FYI: perl: C program python: C program (ba)sh: C program ruby: C program sed: C program awk: C program the list continues... And have you thought about make, m4, gcc, autotools? They all have/are their own language that you need to learn. gcc uses Lisp (or something like it) internally, are you now no longer going to use a compiler? No more make because it requires you to learn its language? How are you going to build your code? I don't know gcc uses Lisp, I thought gcc is prgrammed in C, maybe I can use only the C programmed part of Gcc, or I can develop my own compiler by asm if I do not like gcc. What about XML, YAML, HTML, javascript, and such? No more browser? No more internet? :-) Of course I will use all of them, I even use windows vista everyday for playing games, that's my user role; for my programmer role, I will use Xml and html, for they are data files, not programming languages, I will try to write my own brower in C++, and use a subset of C++ to be the dhtml programming language instead of javascript. On a different note, have you realised just how much you need to know before you know your whole system? Just the Linux kernel is (2.6.29) is 11 million SLOC. Debian 4.0 was a whopping 283 million SLOC. To quote some more from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code: A similar study was later made of Debian Linux version 2.2 (also known as Potato); this version of Linux was originally released in August 2000. This study found that Debian Linux 2.2 included over 55 million SLOC, and if developed in a conventional proprietary way would have required 14,005 person-years and cost $1.9 billion USD to develop. Are you going to live that long? Do you have that much money? (If yes to the latter, could you please send a few million my way?) ;-) why don't you ask this question to debian or Bill Gates when they just started their work? Is microsoft built by the one person Bill Gates? Is bebian developed by the one person Ian? Please think this through and listen to reason before you waste your life. Cheers, Hilco -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Micha Feiginmi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:21:22 -0400 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com wrote: ... I'm being blunt, but, honestly, I run a business on custom software I've written and I can do it because I learned from those who knew more than I did. If I refused to learn from people on this and other lists, I'd be an idiot and would still be wasting most of my life at the keyboard. I found one can save days, weeks, months, or even years, by listening to those with experience. You don't seem to want to listen to the experience of many. Learn from other people's errors, you don't have time to make them all yourself ;-) Like others said, learn whats the right tool for the job, do the jobs you feel like and leave the others to the ones who like other jobs better. Don't forget to live. Like I like to say, I'm more scared of not living than of dying. I hope you can figure out the meaning ... I also find that messing about in languages I know nothing about tought me also about those I do know something about and also tought me what I don't want to do and what I'm wasting my time on with the wrong tool That's fine, but don't come crying to us in 3-4 years when you realize how much time you've wasted with such a capricious fetish. I'm still claiming that the world would have been a better place if computers hadn't been invented, or at least if user interface (cli, gui, whatever) has never been invented, and the more I learn the more I'm convinced on that matter ;-) I used to be more of a purist like you but after going through, c, c++, java, matlab, perl, fortran (yes it's still alive and kicking ...), assembly, basic, pascal, logo, lisp and I don't know how many others I came to the concultion that if I can save three weeks programing, let the program run a couple of days instead of a couple of hours (assuming it needs to be run once or twice) and go out to date my wife, mountain bike, kite surf, watch the sunset or whatever, I'm much better of and sociaty is not the worst of it. If I do not change the reality, I will suffer till I'm dying; If I try to change the reality, maybe i will just suffer 20 years, and rest for my last 20 years. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks Let's throw some data into this discussion: LXDE is a rather minimalistic desktop. IceWM is an example of a resonable (not-so-bloated) window manager. $ aptitude why lxde perl i lxde Depends xarchiver i A xarchiver Depends libpango1.0-0 (= 1.20.3) i A libpango1.0-0 Depends libpango1.0-common (= 1.20.5-3+lenny1) i A libpango1.0-common Depends defoma (= 0.11.1) i A defoma Depends perl (= 5.6.0-16) $ aptitude why icewm perl i icewm Depends libfontconfig1 (= 2.4.0) i A libfontconfig1 Depends fontconfig-config (= 2.6.0-3) i A fontconfig-conf Depends ttf-dejavu | ttf-bitstream-vera | ttf-freefont | gsf ig onts-x11 i A ttf-freefontDepends defoma i A defoma Depends perl (= 5.6.0-16) So on the client side the dependency is basically due to defoma (DEbian FOnts MAnager). On the server side: $ aptitude why xserver-xorg perl i A xserver-xorg Dependsxserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.4-3) i A xserver-xorg-core Dependslibdbus-1-3 (= 1.0.2) i A libdbus-1-3 Recommends dbus i A dbus Dependsadduser i adduser Suggests perl-modules i perl-modules Dependsperl (= 5.10.0-1) In this case we don't have a strict dependency. Not even a recommendation. 'adduser' preffers to have a more complete perl installation around. But, well, this is slightly the wrong question (or the right. Depending on how you think about it). 'perl' and 'perl-modules' include most of the bloat of the perl package that should not get into the base system. If we slightly rephrase the question, to satisfy the purists: $ aptitude why lxde perl-base i lxde Depends lxde-core (= 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5) i A lxde-core Depends pcmanfm (= 0.3.9.5) i A pcmanfm Depends hal i A hal Depends adduser i adduser Depends perl-base (= 5.6.0) $ aptitude why icewm perl-base i icewm Dependslibfontconfig1 (= 2.4.0) i A libfontconfig1Dependsfontconfig-config (= 2.6.0-3) i A fontconfig-config Dependsucf (= 0.29) i A ucf Dependsdebconf (= 1.5.19) i debconf PreDepends perl-base (= 5.6.1-4) Or to make things clear: $ aptitude why xserver-xorg perl-base i A xserver-xorg Dependsdebconf (= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 i debconf PreDepends perl-base (= 5.6.1-4) Debconf needs perl. And you won't have much of a Debian system without debconf. I wouldn't try removing that one. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org thank you for the perfect analysis! so does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks # apt-cache --installed rdepends (perl|python) should show you which packages depend on perl resp. python. Then you can decide wether you can live without them. Sebastian But aren't perl or python packages just metapackages acting like glue for all the others in the section ? I don't know if removing them will have any effect on the libs already installed. And doesn't the package configuration system needs python and/or perl stuff ? yes, i hate it so much! if i remove python, the whole gnome environment are removed; if i remove perl, the whole xorg system is removed. I don't think it's a good design to make python or perl so bottom, especially for people who do not like python and perl, like me. aptitude search ~S~i~s'(perl|python)' returns packages that look pretty low-level stuff to me, most of which I have never installed manually but were dragged in as dependencies. Looks like a strange idea to me to run a one programming language only system, it would hint that there's a one fits all language and other are just for decoration purpose... (Well, some may agree I guess ;-) ) yes, currently, I'm almost a one programming language only people, I can accept the existence of other languages, but I think they should be optional, not necessory! Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初�U言�Z寂�纾�二�U�X�^寂�纾�三�U喜心寂�纾�四�U出入息寂��于��欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不�贰⒔饷�,是���o上�U。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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2009/6/22 Sebastian Günther sam...@guenther-roetgen.de: * 明覺 (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 05:33]: I'm a junior programmer, and I plan to use only c/c++ as my programming languages, and I don't like python or perl, I hope all the programs in my own system are written only in c/c++ so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future. thanks Well that is not very broadminded... And you should, as a programmer, at least have a little knowledge of the most common programming languages. And knowledge of *all* programming paradigmas, which would also include declarative languages. BTW: perl and python are not that hard to learn or read, since their main purpose was to help sysadmins to get their jobs done. And mostly they are not programming gurus... yes, they are not hard to learn, but if to learn it, it's a waste of time for me! they just make wrappers for C libraries, I do not like that! Sebastian -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. | _ ASCII ribbon campaign Karl Marx | ( ) against HTML e-mail ...@sti@N GÜNTHER | X against M$ attachments mailto:sam...@guenther-roetgen.de | / \ www.asciiribbon.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:40:20PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: So does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? Python? Python is not a dependency. perl-base is. perl is, to a lesser extent. gnome depends on python, if other desktop manager doesn't depend on it, I will switch to that one. could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks What's your problem with using perl? This is not a rethorical question. Do you have an issue of performance? Disk space? Memory usage? Can you provide some more details about your application? no problem with perl, I just want to keep my system simple so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future, without learning any other programming languages. thanks -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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2009/6/22 Sebastian Günther sam...@guenther-roetgen.de: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:20 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: thank you for the perfect analysis! so does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks I do not know any distribution, that does not depend on perl or python. But you could achieve your goal with linux from scratch. Yes, that's what I'm thinking about, but before that, I should make some searching, maybe some one else have the same thoughts with me and have made a distribution in that way already. Sebastian -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. | _ ASCII ribbon campaign Karl Marx | ( ) against HTML e-mail ...@sti@N GÜNTHER | X against M$ attachments mailto:sam...@guenther-roetgen.de | / \ www.asciiribbon.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:24 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: 明�X wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks # apt-cache --installed rdepends (perl|python) should show you which packages depend on perl resp. python. Then you can decide wether you can live without them. Sebastian But aren't perl or python packages just metapackages acting like glue for all the others in the section ? I don't know if removing them will have any effect on the libs already installed. And doesn't the package configuration system needs python and/or perl stuff ? yes, i hate it so much! if i remove python, the whole gnome environment are removed; if i remove perl, the whole xorg system is removed. I don't think it's a good design to make python or perl so bottom, especially for people who do not like python and perl, like me. aptitude search ~S~i~s'(perl|python)' returns packages that look pretty low-level stuff to me, most of which I have never installed manually but were dragged in as dependencies. Looks like a strange idea to me to run a one programming language only system, it would hint that there's a one fits all language and other are just for decoration purpose... (Well, some may agree I guess ;-) ) yes, currently, I'm almost a one programming language only people, I can accept the existence of other languages, but I think they should be optional, not necessory! Tom Well, there's always Mike OS, it's assembly language only, with C library and api to write C code for it... If that's minimalistic enough for you, at least you won't be bothered by Perl or Python ! (but the guy doing Mike OS, Mike Saunders, is also writing Python columns for LinuxFormat magazine... There's tools for every job). http://mikeos.berlios.de/ thank you very much, I also like assembly programming, that's the right distribution for me! Cheers, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初�U言�Z寂�纾�二�U�X�^寂�纾�三�U喜心寂�纾�四�U出入息寂��于��欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不�贰⒔饷�,是���o上�U。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: I'm a junior programmer, and I plan to use only c/c++ as my programming languages, and I don't like python or perl, I hope all the programs in my own system are written only in c/c++ so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future. thanks If you don't want to learn Perl or Python, then simply don't. You don't have to know the language to run programs written in it, and you don't need to have plans to modify the programs in order to use them. Having them installed and running them will not distract you in your quest to learn C. And quite a lot of programs are written in those languages (or others beyond C/C++). yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. thanks -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: If you don't want to learn Perl or Python, then simply don't. You don't have to know the language to run programs written in it, and you don't need to have plans to modify the programs in order to use them. Having them installed and running them will not distract you in your quest to learn C. And quite a lot of programs are written in those languages (or others beyond C/C++). yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. thanks If you want to follow this approach, then I think you facing it from the wrong perpective: if you want to be able to understand the source of all programs in a typical Linux system and be able to modify them, limiting yourself to C/C++ is not going to get you much further. If you want that, you should at least become somewhat familiar with other languages -- at least the ones that are widely used such as Perl, Python, shell scripting... (you may actually skip Lisp, Lua, Ruby, Brainfuck and others for now). And it's not that hard. Perl and Python, for example, follow essentially the same procedural model as C. The syntax has some differences, the built-in or library functions available are different (but again, share some similarities, especially Perl and C), but the paradigm is the same. If you can speak C/C++ well, it should not be difficult to pick up other procedural languages. And it will do you no bad, on the opposite, can help you a lot. Learning, say, Lisp (or one of its derivatives) or Haskell (or another functional programming language) can take more time (but is good anyway). But these aren't so widely used. I know your opinion is the behalf of many programmers, maybe also advanced programmers, but my opinion is not the same. Though I'm a junior programmer in C/C++, I also haved learned many programming languages --- C#, sql, javascript, xslt, python(yes, I learned it). When I was using sql, I complained that why sql not use the same string processing functions as C#; when I was learning javascript, I made the same complaint; when I was learning xslt, I complained once more; and when I was lastly learning python, I became so angry, why all these languages do the same thing but with a different funtion name? I hate it! So I decide I won't learn any other language, I will only use C/C++(and assembly if necessory) in the future, I cannot bare the waste of time those scripts languages bring to us programmers any more. thanks -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Michael Ekstrandmich...@elehack.net wrote: 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:40:20PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: So does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? Python? Python is not a dependency. perl-base is. perl is, to a lesser extent. gnome depends on python, if other desktop manager doesn't depend on it, I will switch to that one. could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks What's your problem with using perl? This is not a rethorical question. Do you have an issue of performance? Disk space? Memory usage? Can you provide some more details about your application? no problem with perl, I just want to keep my system simple so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future, without learning any other programming languages. thanks I like the mindset of wanting to be able to modify the programs on your computer. Truly, this is the heart of running a Free Software operating system. It is excellent to see a user elevating that desire so high. Unfortunately for your other constraints, you will be unable to achieve the goal of a Perl-free system with most distributions. Many software developers work in Perl or Python so that they can produce good software much more quickly than writing everything by hand in C; I choose OCaml myself for this very reason. Perl is used for some of the base glue that holds Debian together. Even Gentoo, one of the most customizable distributions around short of LFS, used Python for its package manager last I knew. And even in LFS land, you will definitely have shell scripts, and if you go far enough with it will need Perl and perhaps M4 programs to get things working (IIRC some of the Autotools suite requires Perl). thanks, but before I got the benifit of so many languages, I have been tired of learning them, maybe it cannot be called learning, it's just some parallel memory, for none of them bring new concepts to C/C++. thanks So while the goal of being able to modify anything is good, I do not think it is achievable with the constraint of only C or C++ with presently-available Linux distributions. You might try FreeBSD. Perl and Python are not installed in the base system; everything in its base system is C, C++, shell/sed/awk, or Make. Perl and Python will only be installed when you start installing additional software from its Ports collection that require them. - Michael -- mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Not yet until you help us writing system commands in C/C++. I would like this task if I'm able to do it :) I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks Desktop uses many of these. But even update-alternatives command for bare bone install requires perl. (Debian is relatively free from python script for its system programs.) update-alternatives is written in perl. It is part of dpkg. This is as fundamental as it can get to. -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/22 Peter Crawford creature...@hotmail.com: Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Eventually you might find DirectFB acceptable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectFB Lack of XDirectFB in Debian is a limitation for now. thank you, I think DirectFB is the right direction, while X window is a strange way for graphic system. I hope I can find a DirectFB implementation of window system to replace gnome. regards, p. crawford _ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Nate Bargmannn...@n0nb.us wrote: * 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 22 10:00 -0500]: 2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Not yet until you help us writing system commands in C/C++. I would like this task if I'm able to do it :) So far you have carefully avoided the mention of shell commands, do you prefer Bash/sh, C shell, or Korn Shell? BTW, you should select C shell for obvious reasons and be sure to purge Bash/sh from your system. ;-) good advice, i will do that after I removed perl and python from my system. BTW, programming languages are simply tools and while each has their best area of applicability, This thread is as ridiculous as an argument over whether a hammer, pliers, or screwdriver is the more pure tool. When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I do not think so, every language is a set of hammer, plier and screwdriver in my eyes, we just need one. But, since you seem intent on trolling this list with my way or the highway type of thinking, I'm posting this in the hopes of not confusing anyone who may read this thread later than for your edification. I believe readers of this thread are all advanced programmers, they won't be confusing. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: any substitute for x window system?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Douglas A. Tuttydtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:58:22AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I'm looking for a pure c/c++ programmed desktop manager, while the xorg is depandent on perl, so i do not like it, is there any graphics system which depands only on c/c++ to replace x window system? thanks I think that you'll find that you need to start writing things from scratch yourself. Since debian requires perl (e.g for debconf), you'll be better off with NetBSD. Then, write a program in C that looks at every non-binary file to see if what language its in. Can you tolerate shell scripts? If not, you'll have to write a C-based initscript. This may be easier on BSD since it doesn't use SysVinit. Take away the ideological furvor. It would be an excellent learning experience to rewrite, from scratch, everything in NetBSD that is not C. It would be very hard with Debian since every time you update, you'll have to do it all over again. thanks, I got a better choice, the assembly language programmed OS - MikeOS, I prefer assembly to C/C++. Enjoy. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/23 Napoleon rri0...@attglobal.net: 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. What you haven't learned is there are different languages FOR A REASON! No one language is best for everything. For instance - I can code web pages in C/C++ - but it is much faster for me to do it in PHP, Perl or Java. The same is true with anything else. I've got over 40 years of programming experience; in that time I've forgotten more languages than you have ever learned. Some no longer even exist. But every one of them had certain advantages and disadvantages - and those differences were a major reason why the languages were chosen for their particular projects. You don't like the way different languages handle strings - well, guess what. If they all did everything the same way, they wouldn't be different languages! To be blunt (like others) - so you don't like the fact different languages are being used on your system. There is no way you're going to be able to rewrite all that code in C/C++ in your lifetime. So you have two choices. You can accept that fact and continue to learn, using the tools available to you, no matter what language, just like the rest of us do. Or, you can continue to bitch about it and make yourself miserable. In this case, I suggest you try another profession - if you can't get over this little bit, you are not suited to be a programmer. This will just be the first of many frustrations for you. And one more thing - you can continue to bitch in this email list, but if you do, it won't be long before people will stop responding to you - for ANY post, even when you're asking for help. I open this thread as a programmer, you can ignore my questions about programming in the future, but you should not ignore my questions as a debian user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:18 PM, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do maintainence is hard for you you aren't much of a programmer. Programming is not about knowing a language. Yes, language is just a tool, so I want to keep my tool simple and powerful, I do not want so many similar tools with the same functions. Boy, I didn't realize that by junior programmer you meant you were that inexperienced in the field. I don't know if you realize that you've just basically said you are either unwilling or unable to understand the different reasons for different languages. EACH language is a tool, and each one is a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose. I will give an example to deny your opinion - a DIFFERENT tool with a DIFFERENT purpose Sql is a language for database operation, but what microsoft doing is to use C# replacing sql, by linq. I don't like microsoft, but I like the way they developing C#, the only one language for microsoft will be C#, I guess. Then what's the only one language for linux? I think it's C/C++. It is rarely a whim why a programmer picks one language over another. There are often several, if not many reasons why one language is more appropriate and better for a job than another is. But there's no point in continuing any discussion. You've made it quite clear you're too busy being right to care what anyone more experienced has to say -- unless it's what you want to hear. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Cybe R. Wizardcybe_r_wiz...@earthlink.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:34 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think so, every language is a set of hammer, plier and screwdriver in my eyes, we just need one. Having used a lot of those, Swiss Army Knife, kinds of tools I can tell you that they are absolute junk and will prefer a single-purpose tool every time. I believe readers of this thread are all advanced programmers, they won't be confusing. I am not any kind of programmer but certainly see the wisdom of those who have told you already that you are on a wrong path. See here: http://www.cprogramming.com/langs.html This page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language explains very well. Here's one quote: Although there have been attempts to design one universal computer language that serves all purposes, all of them have failed to be generally accepted as filling this role. On the whole, your take on all t his reminds me strongly of the .sig found below: Cybe R. Wizard -- Their address sums up their attitude: One Microsoft Way. Winduhs One Microsoft Way is perfect if all the microsoft softwares are free as LGPL. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Kamaraju S Kusumanchiraju.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and python? which is the proper desktop manager? thanks How does having python, perl installed will affect your c/c++ programmes? I am just curious. I'm a junior programmer, and I plan to use only c/c++ as my programming languages, and I don't like python or perl, I hope all the programs in my own system are written only in c/c++ so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future. thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
any substitute for x window system?
I'm looking for a pure c/c++ programmed desktop manager, while the xorg is depandent on perl, so i do not like it, is there any graphics system which depands only on c/c++ to replace x window system? thanks -- Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer|Codeblocks) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl 初禪言語寂滅,二禪覺觀寂滅,三禪喜心寂滅,四禪出入息寂滅于貪欲心、嗔恚心、愚痴心不樂、解脫,是為無上禪。 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Configuring preferred web browser with Icedove
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun,07.Jun.09, 21:03:26, AG wrote: Hello List How does one configure Icedove (Thunderbird) to use the system's default browser. My system's default browser is Opera, but Icedove will always call up Konqueror and I cannot see any obvious way to change that ... even advanced config doesn't seem to show any options. Make sure Opera is indeed your default browser: update-alternatives --configure x-www-browser thanks, but it should be update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, :) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJKLCFTAAoJEHNWs3jeoi3pkyMIAInQ0n5oVw57CA2e6zwGaQTx P2zMOO1quibzQzc1VwQT1IBNjE9ogx9wTpf2Z35qulJSV9jbnNcx8lThSAecbn1Z hBEoᴴ嵤㟕ꨍ⡙蓱踓쳨�्鴈�岝玈꺡�螳� vOtaQu1bQOtgLBCWETuEMeymS6IQvuD/m96KOS3DQLCux2GJYzMKpcc0J5TzD8Tk VIz/n2596cdGEaFh6W5UisjjECvykQUU0tL/3r35BWT3/XEQIXjj5CF0/KwWC2ze 3y8MVaTrkqmwajz0Jy2RVgTMKKJflQbXBRpR6gLaoBN8qmtP58mVzvfgBZjBOOQ= =Fayc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- 一切是苦,因愛而生,息愛而滅,故曰:除貪、愛、喜 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 64Bit installation on a 500 GB Sata DRIVE
2009/6/3 Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be: On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 13:51 +0800, 明覺 wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Rod James Bio rju...@gmail.com wrote: We've been doing an installation on this LTSP Server we are trying to build. While formatting the 500 GB HD the partitioning process is stock at 33%. Yes, hardware failure (hard disk or memory). Go to your hard-disk manufacturer website, download the tool to test the harddisk, then run the test. Then use memtest to test your memory. What's your motherboard chipset? Is your SATA controller configured in AHCI or Compatibility mode ? (try switching to the other) Anyway just for additional information: I tried using lenny 64bit installer to no avail and 32bit installation is successful but we want to use 64bit because the machine has 5GB of memory so as to maximize the memory. FYI, Debian i386 has a kernel flavor named bigmem, which supports up to 64GB (PAE see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension ) But unless you have a specific need to use stick to 32bit kernel (driver, old application [in]compatibility), it is wise to move to 64bits. I donot have experience in it, if I encountered this problem, I would try to use the gNewSense livecd to partition the harddisk, and after that, install the 64bit debian. here is the gNewSense livecd, http://www.gnewsense.org/index.php?n=Main.Download 1. No FUD please. Debian-installer's partman works. ok, it works 2. Formating with another tool is unlikely to help (because you still have to proceed through the installation) why unlikely to help? he said it's the debian formating failed, of cause we can try formating it by another tool and then install debian without formating. 3. Debian has it's own DebianLive CD good, I hope i can be as good as the gNewSense one. Regards, Franklin -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ed 1.33 install errors
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:13:47PM -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009 08:53:19 pm Jude DaShiell wrote: Script started on Mon Jun 1 20:50:14 2009 localhost:~# aptitude install ed ... update-alternatives: error: alternative path /bin/ed doesn't exist. dpkg: error processing ed (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: ed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I got the same error here. I fixed it by creating a symlink from /usr/bin/ed to /bin/ and that cleared it up. I'd imagine it's a bug in the package. thank you, I solved it by this way. Considering that the main use of ed is either for scripted editing or for editing when ncurses (or gui) isn't working, the bug is probably having it in /usr/bin instead of /bin. In Lenny, its in /bin (at least on my box). I would argue that another bug is that its not statically linked but Debian doesn't seem to worry about having basic stuff static and refer people to a live CD for system rescue. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: package locally compiled gets upgraded
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 20090602162813.ga24...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I tried to locally recompile package wwwoffle because of some bugs in it. I have not changed the version hoping that the same version prevents apt from upgrading it. However apt runs upgrade while reinstalling the same version of package. Is there any way to tune this behaviour? I haven't changed the version so if any new version appeared in archive, I want to have it upgraded... Alter the version number, but use something really small so the next version uploaded by a DD will trump yours. e.g. If the bugs are in a native package version 1.2.3, make your version 1.2.3local1 but why the apt-upgrade reinstall the same version of a package? e.g. If the bugs are in a non-native package (I think wwwoffle is non- native) version 1.2-2lenny1, make your version 1.2-2lenny1local1. (If you end up needing to add more changes, you can increment the number following local.) You can always test how the packaging system will sort version numbers by using: dpkg --compare-versions version_1 lt version_2; echo $? (0 = true; 1 = false) Alternatively, you could probably do version-pinning via origin, but I'm not sure about the specifics of that. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: package locally compiled gets upgraded
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote: Hello, I tried to locally recompile package wwwoffle because of some bugs in it. I have not changed the version hoping that the same version prevents apt from upgrading it. However apt runs upgrade while reinstalling the same version of package. Is there any way to tune this behaviour? I haven't changed the version so if any new version appeared in archive, I want to have it upgraded... I have an idea, you first install the package from official debian source, and keep it there, then install your fixed version(with the same version number) by --prefix=/usr to overwrite the fault one, is that clever? :) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Silvester Stallone: Father of the RISC concept. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ed 1.33 install errors
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 200906021043.59937@iguanasuicide.net, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20090602133233.ga7...@blitz.hooton, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I would argue that another bug is that its not statically linked. We do have busybox-static which provides a statically-linked version of a lot of utilities -- enough to recover from most situations with enough effort. In particular, it has a statically-linked 'ed' and 'vi'. I do not understand why this issue is related with static linking or dynamic linking, now I'm wondering is it proper for me to add the link /bin/ed which points to /usr/bin/ed? if not proper, should I remove the link made by me? (I found that ed was upgrade again today, maybe to fix the bug) thanks! -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ed 1.33 install errors
I found that today's upgrade of ed removed the link made by me, and moved ed from /usr/bin to /bin, so I guess that the packager just made a mistake to put ed into /usr/bin yestoday. 2009/6/3 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 200906021043.59937@iguanasuicide.net, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20090602133233.ga7...@blitz.hooton, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I would argue that another bug is that its not statically linked. We do have busybox-static which provides a statically-linked version of a lot of utilities -- enough to recover from most situations with enough effort. In particular, it has a statically-linked 'ed' and 'vi'. I do not understand why this issue is related with static linking or dynamic linking, now I'm wondering is it proper for me to add the link /bin/ed which points to /usr/bin/ed? if not proper, should I remove the link made by me? (I found that ed was upgrade again today, maybe to fix the bug) thanks! -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: today's upgrade error: dpkg: error processing ed
2009/6/3 Paul Scott pasl...@ultrasw.com: Paul Scott wrote: 明覺 wrote: today's upgrade has the following error: --- Setting up ed (1.3-2) ... install-info(/usr/share/info/ed.info.gz): no file /usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak. update-alternatives: error: alternative path /bin/ed doesn't exist. dpkg: error processing ed (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: ed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- does it matter? if yes, how to solve it? thanks If you had been using apt-listbugs you would have been warned that it would be fixed in the next version. How to fix this is mentioned on this list also. I also found that today's upgrade of ed fixed the bug, thank you for fixing it so quickly! HTH, The fixed version (1.3-4) is now in sid. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 64Bit installation on a 500 GB Sata DRIVE
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Rod James Bio rju...@gmail.com wrote: We've been doing an installation on this LTSP Server we are trying to build. While formatting the 500 GB HD the partitioning process is stock at 33%. Can anyone suggest if there are limitations or problems or past experiences? Anyway just for additional information: I tried using lenny 64bit installer to no avail and 32bit installation is successful but we want to use 64bit because the machine has 5GB of memory so as to maximize the memory. Processor is Intel QUAD Q9550. I donot have experience in it, if I encountered this problem, I would try to use the gNewSense livecd to partition the harddisk, and after that, install the 64bit debian. here is the gNewSense livecd, http://www.gnewsense.org/index.php?n=Main.Download --Rod James -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
today's upgrade error: dpkg: error processing ed
today's upgrade has the following error: --- Setting up ed (1.3-2) ... install-info(/usr/share/info/ed.info.gz): no file /usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak. update-alternatives: error: alternative path /bin/ed doesn't exist. dpkg: error processing ed (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: ed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- does it matter? if yes, how to solve it? thanks -- 不苦不樂正念正智 Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hello!! I'm New
2009/5/27 EQMaker eqma...@paran.com: Hello all. I'm new~ :) I installed Debian on my computer lastnight. This is my first try on linux too. I want became 'linuxer' like all of you... So.. I'd like ask something to all of pioneers in this mail-list (yea.. It's you.. it's true..) How can I make friend with debian? Thanks for your interest on private linuxer.. :) a debian user , too -- 我是不苦不樂正念正智 我用Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Game|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thank you!
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Olle Susan Gladso ogla...@gmail.com wrote: This may be the wrong list for this subject, but here goes. I want to thank the Debian developers and community for all that you do and that you stay true to your ideals. I have wanted to be able to use Debian for several years. However, because I did not know enough, I always failed. Not anymore, I am a very happy Debian user! Again, thank you! welcome! you've got into the most famous gnu/linux distribution. :) -- Life is a series of wonderful opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations-unknown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 我的计算机环境是Gnu.Linux.(Debian|gNewSense).Gnome.(Mozilla|Gmail|Evolution|Scim|Flashplayer) Microsoft.Windows.(Vista|XP).(QQ|Notepad++) Gcc.Gtkmm.Opengl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: install proprietary nvidia driver without xorg.conf?
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Michael M. Moore mich...@writemoore.net wrote: I thought I'd try the proprietary nvidia driver (currently using 'nv'), so I've been reading through the how-to on the wiki here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers I'm a little concerned, though, that it might be out-of-date (for one, because it keeps talking about Etch), especially given the changes in xorg. Specifically, step 3: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#ConfigureXtousethenvidiadriver It says for Lenny you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to load glx module and remove dri or GLCore modules, under the Module section; and that you need to change the driver (from nv to nvidia) under the Device section. My xorg.conf has no module section and the Device section is only: Section Device Identifier Configured Video Device EndSection I thought HAL had taken over some of the functions formerly handled in xorg.conf, but there's no mention of that on the wiki doc. So what exactly is the procedure for installing the proprietary driver now? here is a way to install the official nvidia driver, not the debian way. 1. remove all the packages with name nvidia-, for they might be conflict with the driver we will install, such as: nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files nvidia-glx-ia32 - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (96xx legacy version) nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev - NVIDIA Xorg driver development files (96xx legacy version) nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-ia32 - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (96xx legacy version) nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for openvz amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source (96xx legacy version) nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source nvidia-cg-toolkit - NVIDIA Cg Toolkit Installer nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver 3. install the linux-headers packages that is appropriate to your kernel. --- ml...@rashi:~$ dpkg -l|grep linux-headers|grep 2.6.26 ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.26+17 Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd642.6.26-13 Header files for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common 2.6.26-13 Common header files for Linux 2.6.26-1 --- 4. make a symlink for the headers - ml...@rashi:~$ ls -l /usr/src/linux lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 29 2008-12-11 00:56 /usr/src/linux - linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64/ -- 5. download the nvidia drivers for your card from nvidia driver download page, it looks something like this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.15-pkg2.run 6. check the gcc of your machine, install it if not exists, for example it is /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 7. shut down X and you run as root to exe this command - export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1;./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.15-pkg2.run - 8. complete the process and restart the machine to X window. 9. if you have installed mesa on your machine, you should know that the driver we installed just now also includes opengl implementations, so relative shared library files like /usr/lib/libGL***.so have been replaced by the new driver. In fact, that's the right cause of our installation of the non-free driver, for mesa's opengl implementation has a bug which caused the crash.(Just a guess, might be false) -- Michael M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.
Re: display with 3d eccelation not working after software upgrade
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/14 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk On 02.05.09 18:37, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: Use: Debian Lenny i386 g. card: nvidia 7600 GS After upgrading to the latest kernel, I coudn't play computer game with 3d acceleration so I ran # nvidia-xconfig then I rebooted, but I could not get the display working along with nvidia driver so I had to resort to # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Even after purging and reinstalling nvidia-glx, I still could not use the driver and have 3d acceleration. Did I missed anything. did you also install nvidia kernel modules? Did you install the correct nvidia kernel/glx modules? (maybe you need the -legacy version) The debian way of installing nvidia driver solved it. I'm programming with gtkmm/gtkglextmm and opengl, and my program crashes in the mesa dri code when the window of my program is resized, and the crash can be solved by installing the nvidia video card driver from Nvidia company(not free software), here is the steps if you want to try this way: (created by ml...@post.harvard.edu and modified by me) 1. remove all the packages with name nvidia-, for they maybe conflict with the driver we will install, such as: nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files nvidia-glx-ia32 - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (96xx legacy version) nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev - NVIDIA Xorg driver development files (96xx legacy version) nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-ia32 - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (96xx legacy version) nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for openvz amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 (legacy version) nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source (96xx legacy version) nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source nvidia-cg-toolkit - NVIDIA Cg Toolkit Installer nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver 2. remove mesa packages, for they are the faulty code, such as: ii libgl1-mesa-dev 7.4.1-1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G ii libgl1-mesa-dri 7.4.1-1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- D ii libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg 7.4.1-1 Debugging symbols for the Mesa DRI modules ii libgl1-mesa-glx 7.4.1-1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G ii libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg 7.4.1-1 Debugging symbols for the Mesa GLX runtime ii libglu1-mesa 7.4.1-1 The OpenGL utility library (GLU) ii libglu1-mesa-dev 7.4.1-1 The OpenGL utility library -- development fi ii mesa-common-dev 7.4.1-1 Developer documentation for Mesa ii mesa-utils 7.4.1-1 Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities 3. apt-get install the linux-headers package that is appropriate to your kernel. --- ml...@rashi:~$ dpkg -l|grep linux-headers|grep 2.6.26 ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.26+17 Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd642.6.26-13 Header files for Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common 2.6.26-13 Common header files for Linux 2.6.26-1 --- 4. then make a symlink for - ml...@rashi:~$ ls -l /usr/src/linux lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 29 2008-12-11 00:56 /usr/src/linux - linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64/ -- 5. then you download the nvidia drivers for your card from nvidia driver download page, it looks something like this:
Re: how to debug segment fault problem in kdevelop?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 6a8fced30904251059g77a533c2yf94d6b66d6a63...@mail.gmail.com, 明覺 wrote: I download the k3dsurf project(a kdevelop project) and compiled it in kdevelop successfully, but when i run it, it says segment fault, how could I debug it? thanks. here is the gdb info: This list isn't quite correct for this question. You may want to use a mailing list, newsgroup, or other forum specifically for k3dsurf, or possibly kde-devel. Tracking down a SIGSEGV is often the role of a developer[1], and this list is not developer-oriented. That said, SIGSEGV is generally sent to the process by the kernel when it attempts to access a page of memory that it doesn't have a mapping for -- usually caused by dereferrencing a NULL or invalid pointer, but also common if the program is not linked correctly. thank you for the information, it seems to be caused by the mesa libs which is the implementation of opengl, for after I replace the libGL***.so by installing nvidia video card driver from Nividia company(not free software), the applications can run normally. thanks. - This GDB was configured as x86_64-linux-gnu. For bug reporting instructions, please see: http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/... (gdb) run Starting program: /root/workspace/C++/k3dsurf/bin/k3dsurf [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x75d74a60 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x75d74a60 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x76ec4651 in glXWaitX () from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 #2 0x7790c2a1 in QGLWidget::resizeEvent(QResizeEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0x7772f07b in QWidget::event(QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0x776a8953 in QApplication::internalNotify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0x776a962e in QApplication::notify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x776aa03a in QApplication::sendPostedEvents(QObject*, int) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #7 0x7773018d in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #8 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #9 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #10 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #11 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #12 0x778193c9 in QWidgetStack::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #13 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #14 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 -- If this backtrace is correct and complete it looks like a bug in Qt, but it could also be caused by misuse of Qt by the application. If you have no other ideas, you should try reducing the application to a minimal test case. As part of that process you'll probably find a misuse of the library, but you may complete that process and be able to file a high-quality bug report against Qt. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ [1] You'll need to understand the programming language the program was written in at least, and maybe the implementation language of associated libraries as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
is it safe to reomve all the other video card driver?
my video card is nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT, but i found that my debian system also installed all the other drivers, like ati, arp.., is it safe to remove all the other drivers except the xserver-xorg-video-nv? thanks. -- 我的操作系統是Gnu/Linux Debian/gNewSense Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Gtkglextmm Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian testing
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Paul Cartwright a...@pcartwright.com wrote: I run lenny on my desktop, but I thought I'd try debian testing on a spare box I have, but... I'm not quite sure how to install testing. on my desktop I installed etch, and upgraded to testing, is that the best way, just install lenny, and change the sources.list? you can directly install testing from its iso, for 64bit cpu, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso for 32 bit cpu, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 我的操作系統是Gnu/Linux gNewSense/Debian-sid-amd64 Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian testing
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Paul Cartwright a...@pcartwright.com wrote: I run lenny on my desktop, but I thought I'd try debian testing on a spare box I have, but... I'm not quite sure how to install testing. on my desktop I installed etch, and upgraded to testing, is that the best way, just install lenny, and change the sources.list? another advice is to try gNewSense, a very cool distribution, http://www.gnewsense.org -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 我的操作系統是Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64/gNewSense Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
where is the libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-doc installed?
I installed the package libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-doc, but I do not know where it's installed in my computer, and how to launch it, do anyone know it? thanks -- 我的操作系統是Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64/gNewSense Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter/Anjuta Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: where is the libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-doc installed?
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 6a8fced30905090925n486a49bbjcc9ebdacf46b6...@mail.gmail.com, 明覺 wrote: I installed the package libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-doc, but I do not know where it's installed in my computer, and how to launch it, do anyone know it? *-doc packages install their documentation to (a) subdirectory(ies) of /usr/share/doc. You can use dpkg -L libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-doc to see exactly what files were installed. thank you for the command, it displays the files installed so clearly. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- 我的操作系統是Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64/gNewSense Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter/Anjuta Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
my web browsers are broken after today's upgrade - iceweasel refuse to start, and epiphany dies frequently. it might be caused by today's upgrade for my web browsers have been working fine since this noon. so i want to redo the upgrade i made today, how could i got it? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 06:00 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 1241778796.3522.8.ca...@minjue.jlu.edu.cn, 明覺 wrote: my web browsers are broken after today's upgrade - iceweasel refuse to start, and epiphany dies frequently. it might be caused by today's upgrade for my web browsers have been working fine since this noon. so i want to redo the upgrade i made today, how could i got it? Read /var/log/aptitude (if you used aptitude) and /var/log/apt/term.log (for apt-get). thank you, i have found it and removed those packages not necessory, but web browsers still do not work, it's a strange thing, how could i solve it? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
web browsers are broken
my web browsers, iceweasel and epiphany become broken this afternoon, i could not find the cause. Iceweasel could not start anymore, and i cannot debug by gdb for it's a xulrunner application; epiphany can start, but it goes into death very frequently, make exploring web sites very difficuilt, and for those complex web pages, such as google mail and msn, it cannot load anymore. using gdb for epiphany got nothing useful. how could i solve it? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 08:24 -0400, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 1241783001.3432.1.ca...@minjue.jlu.edu.cn, 明覺 wrote: web browsers still do not work, it's a strange thing, how could i solve it? You question is not descriptive enough. Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and then rephrase. thank you, but i could not open the page for my browsers are broken, epiphany died when opening it. i have sent another email with more detailed description about it. -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: web browsers are broken
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 13:51 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Try installing other browsers? Kazehakase, Opera, Midori... See if they crash. Of there only Midori uses Gecko i think (like epiphany and Iceweasel), so it might be the issue, but it's just a wild guess. You can always remove/install... thank you for the good advice, now i'm using konquorer, it works fine, so it seems that gecko dose not work fine. -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 10:50 +0800, Mr. Wang Long wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 19:43, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 06:00 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Read /var/log/aptitude (if you used aptitude) and /var/log/apt/term.log (for apt-get). thank you, i have found it and removed those packages not necessory, but web browsers still do not work, it's a strange thing, how could i solve it? thanks Did you tried `iceweasel -safe-mode'? I have uninstalled iceweasel, and now it seems that epiphany works fine. thanks. -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 02:29 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:44:30PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 08:24 -0400, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 1241783001.3432.1.ca...@minjue.jlu.edu.cn, 明覺 wrote: web browsers still do not work, it's a strange thing, how could i solve it? You question is not descriptive enough. Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and then rephrase. thank you, but i could not open the page for my browsers are broken, epiphany died when opening it. i have sent another email with more detailed description about it. w3m is normally installed on the system. but it's a text browser -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to get the list of packages that i installed or removed in the last 24 hours?
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Robin rc.rattusrat...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/8 Robin rc.rattusrat...@googlemail.com: Same problem here after upgrade today. Process of elimination left package libc6. I downgraded to previous version, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/libc6-$VersionNumber, and resolved issue. You need to add $VersionNumber , in my case libc6_2.9-10_amd64.deb, to suit your platform thank you, i also think it's caused by the upgrade of yestoday, and after upgrade of today, i found epiphany becomes to work fine, but it seems that today's upgrade does not include lib6, then what's the matter? i will keep on to notice it. -- rob http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=82BS4ZCMFR1 Update: bug 527541 fixed by libc6 version 2.9.12 -- rob http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=82BS4ZCMFR1 -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64 Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to remove the package installed by dpkg -i emacs23.deb
I installed emacs23 by a deb file from my friend and the command dpkg -i emacs23.deb, it works fine but it changes my ctags to use the emacs ctags, which is conflict with anjuta, which needs another ctags, how could I uninstall the manually installed emacs23 and also undo all the changes it made when installing? especially to change my ctags back so that anjuta can run. thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64 Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to remove the package installed by dpkg -i emacs23.deb
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Larry Hume whyma...@gmail.com wrote: just aptitude purge emacs23, thank you very much, it works, now i can use anjuta normally. 在 Fri, 08 May 2009 07:45:13 +0800,明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com 写道: I installed emacs23 by a deb file from my friend and the command dpkg -i emacs23.deb, it works fine but it changes my ctags to use the emacs ctags, which is conflict with anjuta, which needs another ctags, how could I uninstall the manually installed emacs23 and also undo all the changes it made when installing? especially to change my ctags back so that anjuta can run. thanks -- Best Regards -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian-sid-amd64 Gnome Mozilla Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Clutter Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@gmail.com wrote: 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: thank you, now I prefer the way to keep all the backup and autosave files in a seperate directory, such as ~/.emacs.d/autosave and ~/.emacs.d/backup, how could i setup that? I'm not familiar with emacs, currently in my machine, there is only the ~/.emacs.d/ directory which seems relative to emacs setup. Could you help give a document that details the setup steps for those purpose? thanks I have this in my .emacs: ;; Backup (defvar backup-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/ebackup/)) (defvar autosave-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/eautosave/)) (setq backup-directory-alist (list (cons .* backup-dir))) (setq auto-save-list-file-prefix autosave-dir) (setq auto-save-file-name-transforms `((.* ,autosave-dir t))) I am not sure, I think it was in the emacs faq. thank you, i followed your instructions and now the backup files and autosave files goes into .emacs.d subfolders instead of the working folder, but I found that when i'm editing a file, there is still a .#filename file existing, how could I also move the .#filename into a subfolder of .emacs.d? thanks hth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: any software for 3D surfaces visualization in debian sid?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Steve S elco...@gmx.net wrote: On Mar 16 20:59 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: In Debian sid there is sagemath (a really big package) which itself uses, a.o., python-matplotlib. Maybe, you like to try one of them? For nice VTK-3D with python, try mayavi2. thanks, but I do not like python, I like programming in C++, or C or ASM. best, steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@gmail.com wrote: 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: thank you, now I prefer the way to keep all the backup and autosave files in a seperate directory, such as ~/.emacs.d/autosave and ~/.emacs.d/backup, how could i setup that? I'm not familiar with emacs, currently in my machine, there is only the ~/.emacs.d/ directory which seems relative to emacs setup. Could you help give a document that details the setup steps for those purpose? thanks I have this in my .emacs: ;; Backup (defvar backup-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/ebackup/)) (defvar autosave-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/eautosave/)) (setq backup-directory-alist (list (cons .* backup-dir))) (setq auto-save-list-file-prefix autosave-dir) (setq auto-save-file-name-transforms `((.* ,autosave-dir t))) I am not sure, I think it was in the emacs faq. do you mean I create the file ~/.emacs, and fill the file with the following content? thanks ;; Backup (defvar backup-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/ebackup/)) (defvar autosave-dir (expand-file-name ~/.emacs.d/eautosave/)) (setq backup-directory-alist (list (cons .* backup-dir))) (setq auto-save-list-file-prefix autosave-dir) (setq auto-save-file-name-transforms `((.* ,autosave-dir t))) hth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
I know that emacs auto save a file named filename~ when I modified the file filename, but I do not like the autosaved copy, could i stop this function? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM, tyler tyler.sm...@mail.mcgill.ca wrote: tyler tyler.sm...@mail.mcgill.ca writes: 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: I know that emacs auto save a file named filename~ when I modified the file filename, but I do not like the autosaved copy, could i stop this function? thanks Set auto-save-default to nil, as explained in the Emacs manual: (info (emacs)Auto Save Control) Adding (setq auto-save-default nil) to your .emacs will do this automatically. thank you, now I prefer the way to keep all the backup and autosave files in a seperate directory, such as ~/.emacs.d/autosave and ~/.emacs.d/backup, how could i setup that? I'm not familiar with emacs, currently in my machine, there is only the ~/.emacs.d/ directory which seems relative to emacs setup. Could you help give a document that details the setup steps for those purpose? thanks Oops! My mistake - this will turn off the auto-save feature, but what you were asking about was the backup feature, which is something different. It's controlled the same way though: (setq make-backup-files nil) Details here: (info (emacs)Backup) Cheers, Tyler -- The contents of this email have been carefully examined by skilled artisans to ensure that only the purest, archival-quality, virus-free bits have been used in its construction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to solve the dpkg: error processing issue when installing a package?
when i tries to install the gvfs package(it should not be specific to this package, the error may occur when installing any package), it shows the following error --- After this operation, 463kB of additional disk space will be used. (Reading database ... 127441 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace gvfs 1.0.3-4 (using .../gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gvfs ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgvfscommon.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libgvfscommon0 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- what's the problem? how to solve it? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to solve the dpkg: error processing issue when installing a package?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mr. Wang Long mr.wang.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 17:10, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: when i tries to install the gvfs package(it should not be specific to this package, the error may occur when installing any package), it shows the following error --- After this operation, 463kB of additional disk space will be used. (Reading database ... 127441 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace gvfs 1.0.3-4 (using .../gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gvfs ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgvfscommon.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libgvfscommon0 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- what's the problem? how to solve it? thanks -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org This problem also annoyed me today. It was solved by doing this: dpkg --force-all -P libgvfscommon0 apt-get -f install yes, i solved it the similar way by dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gvfs_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb :) Regards, Wang Long -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: failed fsck on boot
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using Debian Lenny i386 on my desktop. After every few months, my computer would failed to boot properly (stuck on fsck). Then I need to enter recovery mode then manually run fsck. A friend suggested that this is caused by bad power supply. There are statics on the computer casing but I want to clarify with those who had similar experience. I ever had experience a little similiar with yours, my debian system crashed 3 times in 10 days, it was said to be caused by a harddisk problem, but my harddisk is quit new, and windows installed in another partition works fine. I think it might be caused by Samba and Pidgin(with heavy network tranffic and frequent harddisk writes), i'm not sure whether my guess is true. but for my new installations, i didn't install samba, and disabled those accounts with heavy traffic in pidgin, only kept accounts with normal traffic in pidgin. TIA. -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://gameornot.net -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution Gtkmm/Anjuta/Emacs Scim Totem Pidgin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hardware Firewall Suggestions
2009/4/28 Samuel Bächler li...@boeser.ch: Dear All I have 2 Computers behind a Firewall (currently D-Link DFL-200). Consider one of them having IP-address 192.168.1.10 and the other having 192.168.1.11. On both computers there is a ftp-server running. I want connect to the first by `foous...@192.168.1.10:21', to the second by `foous...@192.168.1.11:2121'. After fiddling around for some time I am wondering if my idea can be implemented using a D-Link DFL-200 Firewall. Did any of you configure successfully a Firewall the following way: - If request is on port 21 connect to ftp-server with IP-address 192.168.1.10 - If request is on port 2121 connect to ftp-server with IP-address 192.168.1.11 If yes, whats the name of it and is there a sound howto about it? Looking forward to your inputs. I think your D-link router should support the function of redirection, it might be named virtual server, you setup the port of the incoming request, and its intented server ip, then it will works. For example, you setup incoming requests with port 21 to be directed to 192.168.1.10, with port 2121 to be directed to 192.168.1.11, port 80 to the ip of your web server. Regards Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Anyone using the CAD packages?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Preston Boyington preston.li...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Alan Shutko wrote: Aryan Ameri a.am...@linuxiran.org writes: Well, I always thought that AutoCAD was the equivalent of Windows in the CAD world. And I thought that for more professinal stuff ( i.e designing BMW cars) businesses use more sophisticated products (which again I always thought) run on Unix workstations. Yes, basically. Although the big packages also run on NT. (I used to work for Unigraphics, which is one of the high-end packages.) It seems I was wrong though. AutoCAD is the only CAD product which I have ever heard it's name (OK, aside from QCAD). High-end CAD is not a very common occupation. Many more people use AutoCAD than have ever used UG, CATIA or Pro/E. The high-end licenses cost about the same as a small car per seat, so it's natural many, many more people talk about AutoCAD. I know this is digging up old news, but I have to wonder if the situation has changed in the years that this was originally posted, now that AutoCAD costs more than I have ever paid for a car, and still doesn't work in Wine. The short answer (AFAIK) is no. I would dearly _love_ to be able to run Solidworks, AutoCAD, MicroStation, plus their related Civil/Mechanical softwares on a Linux machine, but that is just not happening. IF there were more of a push for Linux at the workplace (desktops not just server room) then the money factor would help bring the businesses around. As it is, there's no real incentive to produce a product that is cross platform when most of the users/businesses will have a Microsoft OS on the machine anyway. The last I saw was someone getting an old (ACAD 2000?) working on Linux through WINE. The other option is running it in a Virtual Machine, but then you have a performance hit on top of running a Microsoft OS since the software is not native. or to ask the question: what's the best free applications for CAD/CAM in linux or debian? That just is not good enough. Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is Gnu/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-intelx86) Gnome Mozilla/Iceweasel Gmail/Evolution GTK/Anjuta Scim Totem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to sync the gmail and evolution?
2009/4/27 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I have setup gmail in evolution successfully, using imap for receiving, but I found that if i remove a mail in gmail, the same mail still exists in evolution; if i remove a mail in evolution, the same mail still exists in gmail, but I hope they can keep sync with each other, how to reach it? thanks. sorry, i found that if i remove a mail in gmail, then evolution will sync with it automatically, that's good. I also found that removing mail in evolution also removing the same mail in gmail, just need a receive/send. evolution is great:) -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome GTK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: A Font Size is a Font Size is a Font Size ... not in Iceweasel it's not!
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Howdy, List! I bet all Iceweasel (or FireFox, for that matter) users have noticed this. Iceweasel/FireFox fonts are waaay smaller than your desktop fonts. For example, if you limit the smallest font in Iceweasel to the size of your menu/desktop/GUI fonts, it will actually be displayed as a tiny font of about half their size. Vice versa, to get web pages to display fonts visually equivalent to, say, your size-8 menu font, you must set the smallest Iceweasel font to as high as 14! I'd be really grateful if a person skilled in the art would explain this to me. Why is a size-14 font in Iceweasel visually no bigger than a size-8 font in the rest of the GUI??? When did font sizes become a matter of... uhm, opinion? As a web developer, i think it's my duty to answer your question, so i made a experiment, and found that, the number you setup in firefox preference is in a unit called px, for example, i changed the font size to 10, then it means 10px, it's usual, for web pages often use px as the size unit, while the font size you setup in other places, for example in the system-preferences-appearence, the unit might be pt, pt is a bigger unit than px, so you got your question. it's also usual, for desktop applications usually use pt as size unit. I hope I'm right. :) TIA -- Certifiable Loonix User 481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome GTK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: A Font Size is a Font Size is a Font Size ... not in Iceweasel it's not!
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Howdy, List! I bet all Iceweasel (or FireFox, for that matter) users have noticed this. Iceweasel/FireFox fonts are waaay smaller than your desktop fonts. For example, if you limit the smallest font in Iceweasel to the size of your menu/desktop/GUI fonts, it will actually be displayed as a tiny font of about half their size. Vice versa, to get web pages to display fonts visually equivalent to, say, your size-8 menu font, you must set the smallest Iceweasel font to as high as 14! I'd be really grateful if a person skilled in the art would explain this to me. Why is a size-14 font in Iceweasel visually no bigger than a size-8 font in the rest of the GUI??? When did font sizes become a matter of... uhm, opinion? what i might need to remind you is that almost all the web pages define the font size for each element inside the pages(except those badly made pages which forget to define the font size, then the font size you setup in browser will apply to it). TIA -- Certifiable Loonix User 481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome GTK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Kernel failure
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Thamm, Russell russell.th...@dsto.defence.gov.au wrote: Hi, I've just installed lenny under VirtualBox as I wanted to try a different Linux distribution. When I logon to a Gnome session, I often get a popup saying: Your system has had a kernel failure It most often happens the first time I logon using gnome after a boot. I got the same issue, I'm wondering if I should login as root directly. I don't get this if I select a KDE session. How do I track this down? Cheers Russell Thamm IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome GTK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to solve the dependency problem when installing kde in sid?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 6a8fced30904251018ud98b3f3na5ce6f0f0b15a...@mail.gmail.com, 明覺 wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM, M. Henne martin.he...@web.de wrote: If you upgrade KDE currently, you most likely get KDE 4.2.2. thanks, but I want to install kde3, not kde4, how could i install kde3? Then you don't want Sid, or at least not the KDE in Sid--4.2.2. There are no plans to support having both KDE 3 and KDE 4 in any single version of Debian or to support co-installation on a mixed system. (Well, the KDE 3 libraries will remain available until no Debian package Depends on them.) You can still get KDE 3 from Lenny. I think Squeeze is also using KDE 3 for now, but it will be updated to KDE 4 before release. You may want to switch to one of these versions of Debian, or run some sort of mixed system and take advantage of the pinning system in APT. thank you for the explanation! I have tried kde4 and found that I like gnome more, so I decided to use gnome as my desktop already. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian and ubuntu
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Zhengquan Zhang zhang.zhengq...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:32:43PM -0700, paragasu wrote: ubuntu == debian testing, if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable. The problem is this, debian is definetly stable for server. But after one or two years after the stable release. The devs on the server will want the latest ruby, latest blabla... we only provide services for c/c++ devs, not for script devs. (joke:) -- Zhengquan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to also delete the mail in gmail when deleted the same mail in evolution?
I have setup evolution for gmail successfully, uing imap for receiving, but i found that if i delete a mail in evolution, the same mail won't be removed from gmail, but I hope gmail mails can be sync with my evolution mails, how to reach it? thanks. -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to also delete the mail in gmail when deleted the same mail in evolution?
I have setup evolution for gmail successfully, uing imap for receiving, but i found that if i delete a mail in evolution, the same mail won't be removed from gmail, but I hope gmail mails can be sync with my evolution mails, how to reach it? thanks. -- My platform is GNU/Linux Debian(sid-amd64, lenny-Intelx86) Gnome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to sync the gmail and evolution?
I have setup gmail in evolution successfully, using imap for receiving, but I found that if i remove a mail in gmail, the same mail still exists in evolution; if i remove a mail in evolution, the same mail still exists in gmail, but I hope they can keep sync with each other, how to reach it? thanks. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to sync the gmail and evolution?
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I have setup gmail in evolution successfully, using imap for receiving, but I found that if i remove a mail in gmail, the same mail still exists in evolution; if i remove a mail in evolution, the same mail still exists in gmail, but I hope they can keep sync with each other, how to reach it? thanks. sorry, i found that if i remove a mail in gmail, then evolution will sync with it automatically, that's good. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to open kdevelop project?
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I downloaded a kdevelop project, it has k3dsurf.kdevelop, k3dsurf.pro, etc files, I guess kdevelop should be able to open this project, but unforturnitely kdevelop only simply opens the specifed file, not the whole project, how could i make kdevelop to open the whole project? thanks i have found it at the project menu. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to solve the dependency problem when installing kde in sid?
When i installed kde in sid, it needs kdeaddons which is not included in sid, so i added the source of testing packages, which has the kdeaddons package of version 4:3.5.9-2, but still, sid complains that kde: Depends: kdeaddons (= 4:3.5.5) but it is not going to be installed, how to solve this problem? thanks -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to debug segment fault problem in kdevelop?
I download the k3dsurf project(a kdevelop project) and compiled it in kdevelop successfully, but when i run it, it says segment fault, how could I debug it? thanks. here is the gdb info: - This GDB was configured as x86_64-linux-gnu. For bug reporting instructions, please see: http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/... (gdb) run Starting program: /root/workspace/C++/k3dsurf/bin/k3dsurf [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x75d74a60 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x75d74a60 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x76ec4651 in glXWaitX () from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 #2 0x7790c2a1 in QGLWidget::resizeEvent(QResizeEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0x7772f07b in QWidget::event(QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0x776a8953 in QApplication::internalNotify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0x776a962e in QApplication::notify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x776aa03a in QApplication::sendPostedEvents(QObject*, int) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #7 0x7773018d in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #8 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #9 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #10 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #11 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #12 0x778193c9 in QWidgetStack::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #13 0x7772e5d1 in QWidget::showChildren(bool) () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #14 0x77730260 in QWidget::show() () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 -- (the project source code is downloaded from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=25049) -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to solve the dependency problem when installing kde in sid?
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM, M. Henne martin.he...@web.de wrote: If you upgrade KDE currently, you most likely get KDE 4.2.2. Try two things (again and again): $ apt-get -f install $ apt-get install kde4 thanks, but I want to install kde3, not kde4, how could i install kde3? 明覺 wrote in cujp3-14...@gated-at.bofh.it: When i installed kde in sid, it needs kdeaddons which is not included in sid, so i added the source of testing packages, which has the kdeaddons package of version 4:3.5.9-2, but still, sid complains that kde: Depends: kdeaddons (= 4:3.5.5) but it is not going to be installed, how to solve this problem? thanks -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to resolve the dependency problem when installing k3d in debian sid?
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2009-04-24 07:14 +0200, 明覺 wrote: when i install k3d in debian sid, it says dependency problem - minjue:~# i k3d Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: k3d: Depends: libmagick++10 but it is not installable Depends: libmagick10 but it is not installable E: Broken packages - how could i fix it? thanks Add an entry for testing to your sources.list and run apt-get update. Sven thank you, it works! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is debian-sid gnome mozilla eclipse monodevelop blender. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to open kdevelop project?
I downloaded a kdevelop project, it has k3dsurf.kdevelop, k3dsurf.pro, etc files, I guess kdevelop should be able to open this project, but unforturnitely kdevelop only simply opens the specifed file, not the whole project, how could i make kdevelop to open the whole project? thanks -- My platform is debian-sid-amd64 gnome kdevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
how to resolve the dependency problem when installing k3d in debian sid?
when i install k3d in debian sid, it says dependency problem - minjue:~# i k3d Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: k3d: Depends: libmagick++10 but it is not installable Depends: libmagick10 but it is not installable E: Broken packages - how could i fix it? thanks -- My platform is debian-sid gnome mozilla eclipse monodevelop blender. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
cannot startup pidgin after dist-upgrade
after i did a dist-upgrade, pidgin cannot startup anymore, here is the error message, Pidgin 2.5.5 has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file. This is a bug in the software and has happened through no fault of your own. my platform is debian sid amd64, how to fix it? thanks -- My platform is debian-sid gnome mozilla eclipse monodevelop blender. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org